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spenzdad

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May 19, 2004, 10:10:54 AM5/19/04
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I have music with notation and tab.
Across the top of several contiguous measures (and partial measures )there
is the symbol
"8va----------------"
with dashed line across the top of the measure.

These are transcriptions from GT magazine.

What does that symbology mean?

Any help appreciated.


andrew_blues

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May 19, 2004, 10:27:17 AM5/19/04
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It means "octave". i.e. you should play the notes one octave above those
written on the stave. I think this is normally used to ease
sight-reading/playing by avoiding masses of ledger lines on each note.
I've not seen this applied to tab, but it's not uncommon on notation.

hope this helps

cheers

andrew_s


jim harris

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May 19, 2004, 10:28:16 AM5/19/04
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something to do with octaves? an octave above the written music perhaps, for
the duration of the dots? it's a guess

jim

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clive murray

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May 19, 2004, 11:15:39 AM5/19/04
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jim harris wrote:
> something to do with octaves? an octave above the written music perhaps, for
> the duration of the dots? it's a guess
>
> jim


exactly. an octave above what's on the *stave*, not what's in the tab.
when you see this, the tabbed notes are correct, but the standard
notation is shifted down an octave to keep it within sane reaches of the
stave lines. similarly, for two octaves above (when you're down the
dusty end :] ), you will see "15ma".

someone cleverer than me will now point out why it's 15ma and not 16ma.

(I hope.)

--c.

adrianfoden

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May 19, 2004, 11:24:33 AM5/19/04
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> Any help appreciated.
>
Is it notation-speak for the fact that the guitar (as transcribed) is
playing in a different octave to the notes on the standard 'music-rule'?
It's a limitation of the western notation system that an instrument like
guitar which is capable of playing notes across a couple of octaves has to
adapt to.


Dlg

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May 19, 2004, 11:25:07 AM5/19/04
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"spenzdad" <spen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have music with notation and tab.
> Across the top of several contiguous measures (and partial measures )there
> is the symbol
> "8va----------------"

From http://www.fact-index.com/o/oc/octave.html

The notation 8va is sometimes seen in sheet music, meaning "play this an
octave higher than written."
8va stands for ottava, the Italian word for octave.
Sometimes 8va will also be used to indicate a passage is to be played an
octave lower,
although the similar notation 8vb (ottava bassa) is more common.

If you see 16va ("play two octaves higher"), it's wrong apparently...should
be 15va:
http://www.graphire.com/Pages/Support/supportnotefaq.htm

Cheers, Dlg.


grant

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May 19, 2004, 11:47:16 AM5/19/04
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>
> someone cleverer than me will now point out why it's 15ma and not
16ma.
>

isn't this a fence post question? 7 notes C-B, call the first C = 1,
2nd C = 8 (1 + 7), 3rd C = 15 (8 + 7).

grant

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May 19, 2004, 12:11:30 PM5/19/04
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> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> Is it notation-speak for the fact that the guitar (as transcribed) is
> playing in a different octave to the notes on the standard
'music-rule'?

I don't think so, it sounds as though several 8va sections are indicated
in this piece so only these sections should be played an octave higher
than notated. If the music is written for guitar, it should already be
transposed.

Adrian Clark

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May 19, 2004, 3:47:51 PM5/19/04
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In article <2h1eskF...@uni-berlin.de>, "grant" <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:

> I don't think so, it sounds as though several 8va sections are indicated
> in this piece so only these sections should be played an octave higher
> than notated. If the music is written for guitar, it should already be
> transposed.
>


Yeah, the guitar is *always* written an octave higher than it sounds. At
concert pitch, the guitar's range runs from the E below the stave in
bass clef up to the E three leger lines above the treble clef stave
(assuming a 24 fret guitar). By writing everything an octave higher, the
guitar's most common range (low E open to high E 12 fret) comfortably
spans the treble clef.

"8va" is a universal notation symbol... you play an octave higher than
written, regardless of whether the instrument has already been
transposed.


Adrian

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spenzdad

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May 19, 2004, 8:08:23 PM5/19/04
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thanks all......mystery solved!
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