Hayman Guitars Info
Justin O'Callahan
Hayman Guitars and even basses? I have been unlucky finding one. -
Justin O'Callahan <fromthe...@earthlink.net>
JNugent
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> Hello all. I was wondering if anyone keeps an online museum of info on
> Hayman Guitars and even basses? I have been unlucky finding one. -
I think the nearest thing you will find will be at:
http://www.burnsguitarmuseum.com/
(bearing in mind that James O Burns designed the Hayman range)
Justin O'Callahan
JNugent wrote:I think the nearest thing you will find will be at:
>
> http://www.burnsguitarmuseum.com/
>
> (bearing in mind that James O Burns designed the Hayman range)
That was a great site and I will keep checking in as that was all I got
doing searches. It's obviously THE place to start compiling links. Very
cool. They seem to be looking for a Hayman 20 20 just as I might be. That's
all I know about Hayman is the 20 20 exists, but what else?. Such a well
made bass, the 40 40 I have I was hoping to mate it with a guitar. All the
Best - Justin
JNugent
> JNugent wrote:
> >I think the nearest thing you will find will be at:
> > http://www.burnsguitarmuseum.com/
> > (bearing in mind that James O Burns designed the Hayman range)
> That was a great site and I will keep checking in as that was all I got
> doing searches. It's obviously THE place to start compiling links. Very
> cool. They seem to be looking for a Hayman 20 20 just as I might be.
That's
> all I know about Hayman is the 20 20 exists, but what else?
I think the 2020 was the one equipped with two Re-An humbucker pickups. If
it was, it sounded *very* dull (nothing like as bright as a humbucking
Gibson, for instance) unless you installed a DPDT switch to coiltap the
p/us. As you can guess, I once owned one (I only bought it because I wanted
a guitar to install a Bigsby Palm-Pedal on).
I think it cost me £75 s/h in 1980 in the old Unisound shop in Kilburn, and
I sold it (minus the Bigsby) in 1982 for £565.
> Such a well
> made bass, the 40 40 I have I was hoping to mate it with a guitar.
I think the single-coil Haymans are a better analogue of the basses.
JNugent
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> That's all I know about Hayman is the 20 20 exists, but what else?
> I think the 2020 was the one equipped with two Re-An humbucker pickups. If
> it was, it sounded *very* dull (nothing like as bright as a humbucking
> Gibson, for instance) unless you installed a DPDT switch to coiltap the
> p/us. As you can guess, I once owned one (I only bought it because I
wanted
> a guitar to install a Bigsby Palm-Pedal on).
> I think it cost me £75 s/h in 1980 in the old Unisound shop in Kilburn,
and
> I sold it (minus the Bigsby) in 1982 for £565.
Spot-The-Deliberate-Mistake-Time, folks!
(£65!)
nick odell
<JNu...@AC30.spamFreeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>(bearing in mind that James O Burns designed the Hayman range)
>
Pearson did most of the design work over the ensuing years and I
designed some of the circuitry.
Nick
[1]I wasn't with the company then but think he was a consultant rather
than an employee.
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JNugent
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> <JNu...@AC30.spamFreeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >(bearing in mind that James O Burns designed the Hayman range)
> Not entirely. He was involved in some of the earlier work{1] but Bob
> Pearson did most of the design work over the ensuing years and I
> designed some of the circuitry.
> Nick
> [1]I wasn't with the company then but think he was a consultant rather
> than an employee.
The 1969-ish prototype for what became the Hayman range (recognisably
"Hayman" body shape, but with a Telecaster-style headstock) was actually
logo'd as an "Ormston" (same brand as the infamous electric double bass).
One was for sale for ages in Pan (Wardour Street), c.1971/72. I should have
bought it (about £45).
The "Hayman" connection came a bit later when Dallas-Arbiter wanted a range
of UK-made guitars (to complement their "George Hayman" drums, but you
already knew that!)
Justin O'Callahan
JNugent wrote:
I think it cost me £75 s/h in 1980 in the old Unisound shop in Kilburn, and
I sold it (minus the Bigsby) in 1982 for £565.
That's better than buying silver with the Hunt Brother at
that time. I imagine that the sound could have been improved upon.
I have enough pickup types to experiment but the one thing that is important
is the feel, how it sets up and stays in tune. Some wood though does not
seem to care what electronicsyou put into it. If you were willing
to sell it at roughly seven times over that means... what exacly?
- Cheers, Justin
Justin O'Callahan
nick odell wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:38:03 -0000, "JNugent"
<JNu...@AC30.spamFreeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>(bearing in mind that James O Burns designed the Hayman range)
>
Not entirely. He was involved in some of the earlier work{1] but Bob
Pearson did most of the design work over the ensuing years and I
designed some of the circuitry.Nick
[1]I wasn't with the company then but think he was a consultant rather
than an employee.
Who's idea was it to put the clear plastic Hockey
Puck in the top centre of the headpeg, and the smoked plexi gaurds on the
bass? Nice touch. I have to say something for the bass in that the stock
pickups are great for me. For the time they were cutting edge. The
bridge is a good idea and shows much thought. Really progressive for the
time. It is an original work. And nobody stole it.
I can't imagine the guitar. The neck on the bass is really
well made and designed. I like the zero nut and the heavy A and D string
guides. Somebody gave alot of thought to downbearing pressure and its reaction
to transferring the vibrations to the neck. My 40 40 has the feel of an
older tele bass or mid 50s precision in the way that it feels. So, I am
wondering if they made better basses and I should give up the idea of a
guitar. ( ...the £700 is a bit steep - however - I have put down
more on stranger guitars.
By the way I do like the circuitry on the bass. The 3-way
switch is really positioned well and can be flipped slight of hand. I wish
the controls had been stacked knobs but the pole pieces all but make up
for it. They actaully make a big difference. - Best, Justin
JNugent
> JNugent wrote:
> > I think it cost me £75 s/h in 1980 in the old Unisound shop in Kilburn,
> > and I sold it (minus the Bigsby) in 1982 for £565.
> That's better than buying silver with the Hunt Brother at that time.
"£565" was a typo (which I corrected in my next post). The sale price was
£65!
> I imagine that the sound could have been improved upon. I have enough
> pickup types to experiment but the one thing that is important is the
feel,
> how it sets up and stays in tune. Some wood though does not seem t
> care what electronicsyou put into it. If you were willing to sell it at
> roughly seven times over that means... what exacly?
> Cheers, Justin
Ah, I *would have* if only I *could have*, but I couldn't, so I didn't,
IYSWIM... :-)
icarusi
> By the way I do like the circuitry on the bass. The 3-way switch is
really
> positioned well and can be flipped slight of hand. I wish the
controls
> had been stacked knobs but the pole pieces all but make up for it.
> They actaully make a big difference.
I have a 40/40 and used it ,IIRC, on the middle switch position on the
'Give and Take' track at mp3.com
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/237/icarusi.html
Icarusi
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raggamurphy
http://www.shergold.co.uk/hayman.phtml
I have a Hayman 1010 guitar since the 70's. I love it to bits.
I had a quick look at the Burns site but there seems to be more
interesting pictures on the shergold site.
My 1010 is filled from neck to bridge with big plastic humbuckers.
Also the pots are push pull type which makes it a really versatile
guitar.
P
Justin O'Callahan <fromthe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Hello all. I was wondering if anyone keeps an online museum of info on
> Hayman Guitars and even basses? I have been unlucky finding one. -
> Justin O'Callahan <fromthe...@earthlink.net>
"icarusi" <icar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ccB28.1115$ZO2.58115@stones>...
Justin O'Callahan
Now if I could only find willing people to send or put up detailed photos I would make a
web site of examples to add to these two sites. Perhaps get a users list and a email
resource for parts. I still NEED to find out WHY this company was unsuccessful. If the
guitars were as good as the bass then there had to be other factors and perhaps the line
should be called back up. Stranger things have happened. - Justin
Justin O'Callahan
icarusi wrote:
> I have a 40/40 and used it ,IIRC, on the middle switch position on the
> 'Give and Take' track at mp3.com
>
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/237/icarusi.html
Sadly, I'm closer to having my performance portrait done by Picasso...
and while I can figure out how to do email and a website. MP3s are not my
cup. It is a combination of my computor and too many rehersals... I might
be willing to purchase your CD but not before I find a copy of "The
Burns Book" by Paul Day (out of print according to Amazon)
I will try again tommorrow to load the MP3. I have to try and download
the software and see how it works. Do me somew good to learn something
new.- Justin
nick odell
<fromthe...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I still NEED to find out WHY this company was unsuccessful. If the
>guitars were as good as the bass then there had to be other factors and perhaps the line
>should be called back up. Stranger things have happened. - Justin
>
thousands of them before :)
As to why it failed - bear in mind I was only running the production
line (under Bob Pearson) but from where I stood the main reason why it
went under was the financial state of the company Dallas Music
Industries. Originally Dallas-Arbiter, there was a split between the
principals and DMI never recovered from it and went into liquidation.
Hayman was just a brand name within the company, not a company in its
own right.
As you probably know, Shergold were an outsource manufacturer for some
of the major components of the Hayman range and they decided to make
the range under their own badge. Bob joined them for a while, lost a
great deal of his own money, so he told me, and left them to it. There
was consequently nothing you could really describe as product
development after that.
Nick
icarusi
> I will try again tommorrow to load the MP3. I have to try and
download
> the software and see how it works. Do me somew good to learn
something
> new.- Justin
There's always a Lo-Fi play version on mp3 which streams into Windows
Media Player (or other mp3 player Musicmatch Jukebox and Winamp being
probably the most popular) so you don't need to download the full
version, unless you like it. The same track's also on the UKMG mp3 CD,
all proceeds of which go to charity.
George Geddes
And there's a little in 'Pearls and crazy diamonds', the new book on
Burns and related makes.
George
George Weston
> Hi, i just found this group, no idea how Google groups work, but i badly need some help with a Hayman 1010 guitar.
> The switch was faulty and the tone knob too, so i took a bunch of photos of the wiring before doing anything, then took it apart, cleaned the switch and replaced the tone knob.
>
> Then my phone fell from my hirt pocket to its death before i got it back together, and now i'm stuck. Can anyone help?.
> I read some posts from somebody who i gather was involved in the production of these guitars, so i'm hoping this is the place to get the right info.
>
> THANKS A LMILLION for any help!!
I don't know anyone who used to work for Hayman.
To be honest, not many people frequent this newsgroup now, as they've
all migrated to Facebook.
However, a quick Google search lad me here:
http://www.shergold.co.uk/
This may be of help?
JNugent
guitars was a Dallas-Arbiter brand, and the factory started selling
Shergold guitars when the deal with Dallas-Arbiter fell through.
There's a tale behind the name. The designer was actually Jim Burns, but
he couldn't or wouldn't put his own name to the new guitars. So D-A
cakked them after their top drum-builder, George Hayman, whose name was
already appearing on D-A's upmarket drum brand.
The little switches (made by Re-An of Dartford) are notorious for going
intermittent. But they can be cleaned, and replacements may still be
available.
ic
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> I read some posts from somebody who i gather was involved in the
> production of these guitars, so i'm hoping this is the place to get the
> right info.
>
> THANKS A LMILLION for any help!!
Looks like Nashvile Telecaster configuration. Various wiring options here:-
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-technical/100016-nashville-tele-wiring.html
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icarusi
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The switch was faulty and the tone knob too, so i took a bunch of photos of the wiring before doing anything, then took it apart, cleaned the switch and replaced the tone knob.
Then my phone fell from my hirt pocket to its death before i got it back together, and now i'm stuck. Can anyone help?.
ic
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> http://forums.carvinmuseum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22107
>
> Looks like Nashvile Telecaster configuration. Various wiring options
> here:-
>
> http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-technical/100016-nashville-tele-wiring.html
wiring would suit. It doesn't matter which way round the pickups are
connected. If you don't like the 'both' sound reverse the wiring on one pu.
If you want to know the magnetic polarity of each pu hold a magneti compass
close to the pu pole pieces, useful if you want to swap or combine pus.
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icarusi
Tezza
Natural in colour with beautiful maple neck and action. The pickups were
really weedy though, so I traded for a new sunburst strat - my dream
guitar at the time....I soon learnt.
nick...@bigfoot.com
These switches are the same type as strat and tele switches but unfortunately Lorlin made these switches with different dimensions and they are not a like for like replacement and as far as I know Lorlin don't make these any more. However if your switch is stuffed there is a little trick which might just save you. The Lorlin switch is a modular design and can be taken apart quite easily. Be careful though and don't lose any of the springs or balls. Take off the wafer assembly and flip it over and you'll see another two sets of unused contacts on the other side. If you are lucky, these fresh contacts might keep your guitar playing a few more years.
Nick