Celestion Speaker Advice
Marc Jennings
speaker which I'm considering changing. I find the tone a little to
middly/boxy at the moment.
The amp is a low wattage valve amp so ideally i'm looking for the
replacement to be efficient (the G12H 30 is 100db).
I'm after a speaker that can handle good clean to blues rock with good
bass and treble response.
I was considering the Celestion V30 - is this likely to give me less
pronounced mids? but still good low and high end.
Thanks
Marc Jennings
George Weston
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Have a play around here:
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/features/tone/index.asp
George
Alex Knight
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Hi
The best I've ever used for guitar bass-wise is the Celestion Classic
Lead 80 and it is efficient, but at the price of a pretty heavy magnet
assembly. The Celestion Century is light and very efficient with neodymium
magnet but I haven't used one, so others will have to comment on tone.
regards
Alex Knight
Mole Music
26 Church Street
Leatherhead
KT22 8DW
www.molemusic.co.uk
Trev Ridney
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Hi Marc,
The loudspeaker I would suggest you try is the new Celestion G12 Century
Vintage. Rated for 60W RMS and available in both 8 and 16 Ohm variants.
The speaker weighs in at a mere 3.7 lbs and puts out 98 dB/m, so it has more
SPL on tap than a 'normal' loudspeaker for the same input, but less than
that of the Celestion Century. It combines the best of the old and new, in
my not so humble wossname.
I have one fitted in my own combo and, for me, it does the job brilliantly.
To my ears, it has more depth and clarity than the regular Vintage 30. It
handles classic overdriven rock and Country twang with equal aplomb. I play
mostly blues rock a la Robin Trower and it does the job for me in spades.
However, the real bonus is that my combo is *very* light, the neodymium
magnet makes a *big* difference to the heft, with no loss of sound quality
at all.
Price around £70 inc VAT
Go here to get more info about it from the horse's mouth :)
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/detail.asp?ID=2
HTH,
Trev
PS: I have no affiliation with Celestion. I just use their loudspeakers.
George Weston
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> Hi Marc,
>
> The loudspeaker I would suggest you try is the new Celestion G12 Century
> Vintage. Rated for 60W RMS and available in both 8 and 16 Ohm variants.
>
> The speaker weighs in at a mere 3.7 lbs and puts out 98 dB/m, so it has
> more SPL on tap than a 'normal' loudspeaker for the same input, but less
> than that of the Celestion Century. It combines the best of the old and
> new, in my not so humble wossname.
>
> I have one fitted in my own combo and, for me, it does the job
> brilliantly. To my ears, it has more depth and clarity than the regular
> Vintage 30. It handles classic overdriven rock and Country twang with
> equal aplomb. I play mostly blues rock a la Robin Trower and it does the
> job for me in spades.
>
> However, the real bonus is that my combo is *very* light, the neodymium
> magnet makes a *big* difference to the heft, with no loss of sound quality
> at all.
>
> Price around £70 inc VAT
Or £46.99 + postage from Stewart Ward of this parish
http://www.award-session.com/celestion_speakers.html
As Trev says, the "regular" G12s have big_ and_ heavy magnets, which whilst
superb sound-wise will make your amp h-e-a-v-y.
I have a Lead 80 in my Marshall MG50 and have to be very careful lifting it
now!
George
Mike Slade
if you decide to go for a Classic Lead 80, I have an used boxed one you
could have for a very reasonable price ;-) I bought it from Stewart to
replace a Vintage 30 in a Cornford that I found too bright, only to discover
that Cornford glue their speakers in in such a way that I would have
destroyed the cabinet taking it out!
-Mike.
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Stewart Ward
> Hi
> The best I've ever used for guitar bass-wise is the Celestion Classic
> Lead 80 and it is efficient, but at the price of a pretty heavy magnet
> assembly. The Celestion Century is light and very efficient with neodymium
> magnet but I haven't used one, so others will have to comment on tone.
> regards
> Alex Knight
Alex is right, it's a good allround and blues speaker. The weight is the same as the G12H 30, so
no difference there.
The G12 Century Vintage is also a good option, but the Vintage 30 is a little bass ligh and has a
hifi-ish top end (to my ears).
Stewart
robert.m...@telspec.co.uk
Just to endorse the Classic Lead 80.
I have a Vintage 30 in a 1x12 open backed combo and found, over quite a
few months, that it was a bit of a one trick pony although it did that
trick very well.
The Classic Lead 80 is much more to my liking.
Here is Celestions Dr Decibel's answer to my question "What should I
replace my V30 with"
"I think the Classic Lead 80 will give you the bass and a very good
clean sound it is also
bright rather than harsh sounding at the top end.
The Century Vintage is likely to be too similar to the Vintage 30.
The Century is amazingly tight at the bottom end which gives it a over
bright
sound more suited to closed cabinets."
regards - The Doctor
Robert
Andrew
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I swapped one for a Vintage 30 (old heavy type) in a Laney 1x12 cab fed by
a TT20 head and found the 70th Ann model better sounding to my ears. Seemed
to have more clarity, warmth and a better bottom end.
I've heard Trev's Slasher combo with the new type V30 and it's awesome.
The boxy tone you describe may be in some way attributable to the amp's cab
design. It may help if you said what the amp was.
Andrew(lefty)
umpston
Just to add that I've put a standard 80w Celestion Century (not the
'vintage' version) in my Sessionette combo and that sounds pretty good
too, so it can be used in a smallish combo. It is certainly a brighter
sounding speaker than the G12T-100 which came out, but nothing the eq
can't cope with.
Stewart Ward
just too small to get a good tone. In such cases, a change of speaker will
make a difference, but usually in a way you were expecting. An extension
cab is usually the best answer.
Stewart
Stewart Ward
Just another thought on the matter Marc. Sometimes the combo cabinet is
just too small to get a good tone. In such cases, a change of speaker will
make a difference, but usually in a way you were *not* expecting. An extension
cab is usually the best answer.
Stewart
robert.m...@telspec.co.uk
Could you quantify what "too small" is for a 1 x 12 combo.
By this I mean the internal cabinet volume left after the amplifier has
been bolted in.
Any info on hieght/depth/width ratios to aim for or avoid would also be
of interest.
Your experience will save me, and maybe others, producing woodworking
"works of art":) that turn out to sound rather constipated
Cheers - Robert
Stewart Ward
The ideal 'combo' cabinet would be about 45-60 litres. For example, a
Fender Blues Deluxe 1 x12" is 53ltrs, a Fender Twin is 59ltrs and a Vox
AC30 is 49ltrs.
My own 'classic' the Sessionette:75 is just 27ltrs. This is often not
considered not to be a 'big valve-like tone', due almost entirely to the
exceptionally small cabinet. Playing the same amplifier plugged into a
Twin Reverb makes a HUGE difference.
Open back cabinets do not depend on the volume to produce their sound, it's
down to the distance the sound must travel from the centre of the back of
the speaker to the centre of the front of the speaker, so in effect, it's
the entire width of the baffle. Where the baffle's width in all direction
from the
cone centre is equal to the baffle's inside dimensions + the cabinet wall
inside width + the cab wall outside width + the baffle outside width. So
the area the chassis occupies is not important, as the distances around the
outside of the chassis are the same as if it were not there!
Open back cabs do not suffer too much with resonance. The resonance heard
will be approximately that of the speaker's free air resonance quoted by
the manufacturer - usually around 70-80 Hz.
With a closed back (infinate baffle) cab, the internal volume is the only
important factor. Porting is not necessary for guitar speakers usually.
However, closed back cabs have increased speaker/cabinet (as a single
component) resonance which, if at the wrong frequency, can make the sound
muddled and honky. Most closed back cabs available have resonances between
80 and 120 Hz. Carefull design is required.
Incidently, and this is a blatent plug, we have a new range of Birch Ply
extension cabinets becoming available this month. They are 1 x 10", 2 x
10" and 1 x 12". Covered in black vinyl with all usuall fitting. All one
price £99 + speaker cost. Witch our website for details.
They'll be available unfinished too, for DIYers. A 2 x12" will be available
in the new year 'based' on the 1922 cab.
Free information at the cost of a little advert... that's really good value
in my books.
Hope this helps,
Stewart
robert.m...@telspec.co.uk
Marc Jennings
> Incidently, and this is a blatent plug, we have a new range of Birch Ply
> extension cabinets becoming available this month. They are 1 x 10", 2 x
> 10" and 1 x 12". Covered in black vinyl with all usuall fitting. All one
> price £99 + speaker cost. Witch our website for details.
>
> They'll be available unfinished too, for DIYers. A 2 x12" will be
> available
> in the new year 'based' on the 1922 cab.
>
> Free information at the cost of a little advert... that's really good value
> in my books.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Stewart
Thanks for everyones advice it's certainly given me food for thought and
lots of options.
I think allot of what I don't like about the tone is linked with the
cabinet size which I don't have a clue what this is in litres. It is
just big enough to fit a 12" speaker in so very small.
I'm very interested in the idea of just adding an extension cab Stewart
so I'll keep an eye on your website as I assume they will appear on
there when they're available.
Again thanks for all the advice.
Marc
Stewart Ward
> Thanks for everyones advice it's certainly given me food for thought and
> lots of options.
>
> I think allot of what I don't like about the tone is linked with the
> cabinet size which I don't have a clue what this is in litres. It is
> just big enough to fit a 12" speaker in so very small.
>
> I'm very interested in the idea of just adding an extension cab Stewart
> so I'll keep an eye on your website as I assume they will appear on
> there when they're available.
>
> Again thanks for all the advice.
>
> Marc
To find out the internal cab volume:
Inside width x inside height x inside depth (in cm) / 1000 = litres. Our
new cabs are 52 litres.
Stewart