Fender Jaguar / Jazzmaster
RedSkinDog
£1400 a USA vintage model would cost, does any one know of a good copy that
is currently available. Also I've heard rumours that (now I don't want to
start any GAS attacks) fender is brining out a Mex Jag & Jazzmaster does
anyone know any thing about this?
Hazard
are any cheaper than a Fender (a Fernandes Jazzmaster would cost more).
Your best alternative is maybe musicground (www.musicground.com) they boast
they are the only importers of Japanese Jazzers/Jags. They list them at
£849.
If you can fork out the £1000 (Coda-Music & Peter Cooks sell the USA
Jags/Jazzmasters just under this, the £1400 is the list price) - I'll tell
you its worth it, they're great guitars.
RedSkinDog <redsk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hazard
Americans): a little scarier though, Ishibashi music offer shipping of their
Fender Jaguar/Jazzmaster models for what works out as £450 (inc shipping)!
Sounds great, and got me seriously thinking, just obviosuly with all the
obvious problems, like err, well import duty on top obviously and getting
your guitar from Japan. The website is in english though, have a look and
think:
www.ishibashi-music.com
Hazard <askfor...@18920.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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.clive.murray. (at work)
> Sounds great, and got me seriously thinking, just obviosuly with all the
> obvious problems, like err, well import duty on top obviously and getting
> your guitar from Japan. The website is in english though, have a look and
> think:
> www.ishibashi-music.com
a fave website to go look at and dream about. rick! check out the fixed
bridge gilbert models! ;-)
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Steve Dix
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>
>> Sounds great, and got me seriously thinking, just obviosuly with all the
>> obvious problems, like err, well import duty on top obviously and getting
>> your guitar from Japan. The website is in english though, have a look and
>> think:
>> www.ishibashi-music.com
>
>
>a fave website to go look at and dream about. rick! check out the fixed
>bridge gilbert models! ;-)
>
>--c.
The Mosrite stuff is a bit hilarious. "Mosrite of California - made
in Japan"..
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Rick Booth
>> www.ishibashi-music.com
>
> a fave website to go look at and dream about. rick! check out the fixed
> bridge gilbert models! ;-)
I would if I could find them. I didn't.
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.clive.murray. (at work)
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> ".clive.murray. \(at work\)" <earth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Hazard" <askfor...@18920.btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> www.ishibashi-music.com
> >
> > a fave website to go look at and dream about. rick! check out the fixed
> > bridge gilbert models! ;-)
>
> I would if I could find them. I didn't.
weird, neither could I when I tried through the site. but a quick google
reveals:
http://www.ishibashi-music.com/ibanez/m-guitar.htm
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> ".clive.murray. \(at work\)" <earth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"Hazard" <askfor...@18920.btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> Sounds great, and got me seriously thinking, just obviosuly with all
the
> >> obvious problems, like err, well import duty on top obviously and
getting
> >> your guitar from Japan. The website is in english though, have a look
and
> >> think:
> >> www.ishibashi-music.com
> >a fave website to go look at and dream about. rick! check out the fixed
> >bridge gilbert models! ;-)
> The Mosrite stuff is a bit hilarious. "Mosrite of California - made
> in Japan"..
No more bizarre than the Korean-made Burns guitars (though not the Brian May
model), which still have "Burns, Handcrafted in London", embossed on the
scratchplate!
Rick Booth
>> I would if I could find them. I didn't.
>
> weird, neither could I when I tried through the site. but a quick google
> reveals:
> http://www.ishibashi-music.com/ibanez/m-guitar.htm
You da man and stuff.
If anyone wants to sell me one of _these_:
http://www.ishibashi-music.com/ibanez/guitars/pgm800.htm
you probably won't find it very difficult. Though I would still prefer
it without the f-"holes", and with a tone pot, and with the volume pot in
a sensible place. But isn't it pretty?
I guess what I really want is an RG with a hardtail and HSH. Is there
such a thing, oh wise one? (Wizard II neck preferred.)
- rfb
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Stewart Ward
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feasable to convert a Strat into a Jazzmaster by stripping out the
electrics and replacing it with Jazz' electrics. You will need two
jazz' p/us and a new scratch plate.
It should sound just the same if you are carefull to fit the pickups in
identicle positions. It would be a cheap way to get 'that' sound!
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> RedSkinDog <redsk...@hotmail.com> writes
> >I've always lusted after a Jag or a Jazzmaster but simply cant justify
the
> >£1400 a USA vintage model would cost, does any one know of a good copy
that
> >is currently available. Also I've heard rumours that (now I don't want to
> >start any GAS attacks) fender is brining out a Mex Jag & Jazzmaster does
> >anyone know any thing about this?
> Since all Fenders are made from the same materials, it should be
> feasable to convert a Strat into a Jazzmaster by stripping out the
> electrics and replacing it with Jazz' electrics. You will need two
> jazz' p/us and a new scratch plate.
> It should sound just the same if you are carefull to fit the pickups in
> identicle positions. It would be a cheap way to get 'that' sound!
Nah, Stewart... the bridge/tailpiece geometry (which give the Jag and
Jazzmaster most of their distinctive sound) would be all wrong... but it
*is* possible to buy pattern parts for them from http://www.stewmac.com
The trouble is, the body would then need to be so hacked about, it'd be
easier to either buy a pattern Jazzmaster body (assuming them to be
available), or an unrouted Strat body (eg, a non-trem model) and then rout
it for the Jazzmaster tailpiece and bridge mounting posts. And by then, it'd
probably be more economical to fit a new neck to it and make it a completely
separate guitar...!
S/h Japanese Jazzmasters are available for about £400 - £500 in the UK. But
a word of warning (RedSkinDog): the pickup covers are an authentic copy
alright, but the pickups inside are *not* (being effectively Strat-type
units). For a real vintage Jazzmaster sound you'd need to budget for
replacement Fender USA Jazzmaster p/us or for a couple of Seymour-Duncans.
Stewart Ward
mFreeserve.co.uk> writes
>Nah, Stewart... the bridge/tailpiece geometry (which give the Jag and
>Jazzmaster most of their distinctive sound) would be all wrong... but it
>*is* possible to buy pattern parts for them from http://www.stewmac.com
>
>The trouble is, the body would then need to be so hacked about, it'd be
>easier to either buy a pattern Jazzmaster body (assuming them to be
>available), or an unrouted Strat body (eg, a non-trem model) and then rout
>it for the Jazzmaster tailpiece and bridge mounting posts. And by then, it'd
>probably be more economical to fit a new neck to it and make it a completely
>separate guitar...!
>
>S/h Japanese Jazzmasters are available for about £400 - £500 in the UK. But
>a word of warning (RedSkinDog): the pickup covers are an authentic copy
>alright, but the pickups inside are *not* (being effectively Strat-type
>units). For a real vintage Jazzmaster sound you'd need to budget for
>replacement Fender USA Jazzmaster p/us or for a couple of Seymour-Duncans.
Well, the Jazz tailpiece does make a small difference to the sound, it
will lessen the sustain and make the tone a tad softer. But I can say,
having done things similar many times, that 90% of the sound comes from
the fact that the PU pole pieces are in different locations on different
Fender models. It is widely known that where the pickups are located is
very important (otherwise there would be only one?)
For example, the Strat neck PU is 3mm closer to the bridge than a Tele,
the Tele's being exactly under what would be the 24th fret. 3mm makes a
significant difference (so my wife says). I've got a Tele with this mod
done to it and it sounds like a Strat. The Strat bridge PU is on an
angle of 12°, but the Tele is at 20°. This also makes a significant
harmonic difference. Please don't tell me about the thick metal plates,
screws, etc, I already know. But my point is the locations are
paramount. The rest is just icing.
How 'bout the Burns Marvin Legend with all the PUs on a 12° slant? The
neck pickup tone gradually changes in character from Strat on the 6th
string to Jazzmaster on the 1st, because the 1st string pole piece is in
*roughly* the Jazzmaster position. Nice one Jim! But it's interesting
to note that the Strat trem on the later Marquee range only makes a
minor tonal difference over the RezoTube version Legends.
A friend once had a Gibbo 175 and he fancied a Gretch... so, what did I
do? I turned the pickups round so that the pole pieces were on the
insides, just like Gretch... and, son of a Peter Gunn, 90% Gretch-esk
sound!! I have an G' Aniversary which I've reversed the neck PU... it
now sounds more like a Gibbo!! Great fun, eh?
Peter Green's old Les Paul out-of-phase tone is only possible if you
reverse the neck PU, like his was/is, and wire it out-of-phase too! No
good leaving the neck PU as standard!
Unless you've tried these tricks, you can't be sure where the sound
really comes from. I'm fortunate, in that I get the chance to play
around with stuff.
Don't be a stick-in-the-mud, give it a go. You'd be surprised what nice
new tones you can come up with! Us designers are weird, I know, but
then Leo was too. He was always happy to try something new. And we all
know what he achieved.
Since the original poster was trying to get 'that' sound for a lot less
money, it would be interesting to buy a cheapie S/H Strat for around
£60/70 and convert it. So what if it's hacked inside, only you would
know! It wouldn't cost very much if you buy copy parts. I would be
really happy to have 90% Jazzmaster sound for about £170, wouldn't you?
In fact, I think I'm gonna do it after the hols... I know someone who's
got a white Squire Strat going for 25 quid!! Does anyone own a real
Jazzmaster that we could compare it with?
.clive.murray.
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[snip]
> I guess what I really want is an RG with a hardtail and HSH. Is there
> such a thing, oh wise one? (Wizard II neck preferred.)
you seek much, o rick-san of booth, and the ibanez orchard does not bear new
fruit as often as we would seek it. many are the times I myself, in my
darker moments, have hankered for a new swirled black and white jem with a
mirrored pickguard and a black vine inlay on a maple board, but it is the
ability to ponder these urges contemplatively rather than give in to them
and wail in anger and frustration, that separates us from the unlearned.
foolish is the man who would demand a seven-string JS model, and happy will
be he who seeks only a simple new variant in the lower RG range. are not the
addition of the double-edge piezo-enabled whammy unit, the innovative
korn-designed U-bar trem device, or the tantalising yet subdued new blue jem
enough for you? seek you more still?
fear not, rick-san, your diligence has been rewarded after the longest time.
I myself have wondered about the possibility of an RG guitar with a fixed
bridge, and now the great Hoshino [before whom we are as nought] has now
graced us with new fruit of his router and chisel.
go you now to:
http://www.ibanez.com/rg/rg_specs/rg421bk/rg421bk.html
and be calm, and at peace. not clam, as I first typed.
but this reward is not without cost! you will have to give up your notion of
a middle single-coil, and you, or a willing courier, will have to cross the
atlantic bearing this wondrous benefaction.
go now, and contemplate that which I have told you.
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Mikey (Ceno)
".clive.murray." <earth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I guess what I really want is an RG with a hardtail and HSH. Is there
> > such a thing, oh wise one? (Wizard II neck preferred.)
[snip profound rick-san stuff]
> go you now to:
> http://www.ibanez.com/rg/rg_specs/rg421bk/rg421bk.html
> and be calm, and at peace. not clam, as I first typed.
>
> but this reward is not without cost! you will have to give up your notion
of
> a middle single-coil, and you, or a willing courier, will have to cross
the
> atlantic bearing this wondrous benefaction.
Me want! Me want!
Actually, my Maverick F1 hardtail is basically the same sort of thing.
Still, can never have too many guitars... :)
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.clive.murray.
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> ".clive.murray." <earth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > go you now to:
> > http://www.ibanez.com/rg/rg_specs/rg421bk/rg421bk.html
> > and be calm, and at peace. not clam, as I first typed.
[snip]
> Me want! Me want!
>
> Actually, my Maverick F1 hardtail is basically the same sort of thing.
> Still, can never have too many guitars... :)
ah! mikey-san!
wise are you who admits that already he has something he professes to seek.
set your goals higher. aim for the clouds and you may hit the mountain!
</mentor>
...
<geezer>
sayin' which, could I interest sir in a 7-string version with an extra-long
27" scale length, in silver? go on... isschrissmas...
http://www.ibanez.com/rg/rg_specs/rg7421xlgn/rg7421xlgn.html
;-p
--c.
[ibanez fanatic in chief, and GAS pusher]
Paul Simpson
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<snip wisdom of Murray>
ROTFLMAO!
Fantastic!
Brilliant!
Just cheered me up no end after spending a couple of hours arsing about with
my would-be home network here only to then look for help in Google and find
that there are lots of known 'issues' about making XP and 98 talk to each
other, and it's not my fault that the connection keeps breaking down.
Phew - my l33tness is still intact! ;-)
--
All the best,
Paul.
icarusi
> In fact, I think I'm gonna do it after the hols... I know someone
who's
> got a white Squire Strat going for 25 quid!! Does anyone own a real
> Jazzmaster that we could compare it with?
Did you ever get a look at Brinsley Scwarzes Jazzmaster? IIRC it had 3
single coils and 2 humbuckers (or could have been 3 singles and 2 P90,
or whatever Fender calls their equivalent flat single coils?)?
Icarusi
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Stewart Ward
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>Did you ever get a look at Brinsley Scwarzes Jazzmaster? IIRC it had 3
>single coils and 2 humbuckers (or could have been 3 singles and 2 P90,
>or whatever Fender calls their equivalent flat single coils?)?
>
>Icarusi
No. Seems a bit OTT though.
The 335 I brought to Wigan was formerly his. He used it when he was a
member of Graham Parker and the Rumour (post Brinsley Schwarz Band
days). He now works repairing guitars at Chandlers in Kew Richmond.
Ivar Arnesen
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> In article <oOLT7.3484$Jm.192757@stones>, icarusi
> <icar...@hotmail.com> writes
> >Did you ever get a look at Brinsley Scwarzes Jazzmaster?
> No. Seems a bit OTT though.
>
> The 335 I brought to Wigan was formerly his. He used it when he was a
> member of Graham Parker and the Rumour (post Brinsley Schwarz Band
> days). He now works repairing guitars at Chandlers in Kew Richmond.
.. And he writes in TGM, coming up with interesting ideas like splitting a
humbucker with a small variable resistor in line, thereby allowing you to
preset the degree of "humbuckerness" when split. Haven't tried it yet, but
it sounds promising.
Ivar
JNugent
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> "Stewart Ward" <Ste...@radius-intl.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > icarusi <icar...@hotmail.com> writes
> > >Did you ever get a look at Brinsley Scwarzes Jazzmaster?
> > No. Seems a bit OTT though.
> > The 335 I brought to Wigan was formerly his. He used it when he was a
> > member of Graham Parker and the Rumour (post Brinsley Schwarz Band
> > days). He now works repairing guitars at Chandlers in Kew Richmond.
> .. And he writes in TGM, coming up with interesting ideas like splitting a
> humbucker with a small variable resistor in line, thereby allowing you to
> preset the degree of "humbuckerness" when split. Haven't tried it yet, but
> it sounds promising.
The first Peavey guitar (T-60, c.1977) had that feature, and so did a number
of Burns guitars from the late seventies and early eighties. The variable
resistor in each case was the pickup tone control, which operated as a
normal capacitance control from a detente position after the humbucker coil
had been fully let into the circuit.
Rick Booth
> "Rick Booth" <richar...@umist.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:3c1e...@news.umist.ac.uk...
>
> [snip]
>
>> I guess what I really want is an RG with a hardtail and HSH. Is there
>> such a thing, oh wise one? (Wizard II neck preferred.)
>
> you seek much, o rick-san of booth, and the ibanez orchard does not bear
> new fruit as often as we would seek it.
true, sensei!
> many are the times I myself, in my darker moments, have hankered for a
> new swirled black and white jem with a mirrored pickguard and a black
> vine inlay on a maple board, but it is the ability to ponder these urges
> contemplatively rather than give in to them and wail in anger and
> frustration, that separates us from the unlearned.
yes. and it is glad I am that the jem you suggest does not exist, for I
would be almost two thousand pounds poorer. I have strength enough to
resist the white, but this temptation would be beyond me.
> foolish is the man who would demand a seven-string JS model,
I demand no kind of JS model, for it has insufficiently many pickups and
frets.
> and happy will be he who seeks only a simple new variant in the lower RG
> range.
then happy am I, sensei!
> are not the addition of the double-edge piezo-enabled whammy
> unit, the innovative korn-designed U-bar trem device, or the tantalising
> yet subdued new blue jem enough for you? seek you more still?
no (but nearly). not at all, it's a silly thing [1]. still undecided.
yes.
in that order, master.
> go you now to:
> http://www.ibanez.com/rg/rg_specs/rg421bk/rg421bk.html
> and be calm, and at peace. not clam, as I first typed.
but I am at clam, master! oh, woah is me (or woe, for I am also making
silly errors).
> but this reward is not without cost! you will have to give up your notion of
> a middle single-coil, and you, or a willing courier, will have to cross the
> atlantic bearing this wondrous benefaction.
grief is upon me, for while I would happily undergo the second, the first
makes me sad. I must meditate on this before I go to new york next year.
> go now, and contemplate that which I have told you.
I am contemplating it, master. may your wisdom never grow less, and your
jems never lose their headstocks.
this post has been devoid of capital letters other than JS, RG and I, in
honour of the great earthman who is righteously gassing me up.
in other news, I played a prs mccartey today and it was mighty indeed.
and I played an olp axis, and it was truly appalling. look surprised,
damn you!
- rfb
[1] I can hit my floating bridge with my hand without putting a surround
around it. "but the fine tuners hurt my hand!" oh, _very_ metal.
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icarusi
> No. Seems a bit OTT though.
>
> The 335 I brought to Wigan was formerly his. He used it when he was
a
> member of Graham Parker and the Rumour (post Brinsley Schwarz Band
> days). He now works repairing guitars at Chandlers in Kew Richmond.
I took it he was trying to get Strat-ish and LP-ish sounds from one
guitar, as far as the pickups were concerned. It certainly sounded
similar to each when he chose to switch it that way.
icarusi
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> The first Peavey guitar (T-60, c.1977) had that feature, and so did
a number
> of Burns guitars from the late seventies and early eighties. The
variable
> resistor in each case was the pickup tone control, which operated as
a
> normal capacitance control from a detente position after the
humbucker coil
> had been fully let into the circuit.
I modded my old 335 copy that way. The mod must have been published in
a music mag late 70's?