Yamaha Magicstomp
Jon Boyes
Anyone tried one of these impossible-to-get-hold-of stomp boxes? If so, I'd like
some opinion on the quality of the reverbs. I want smooth, lush, no clankyness.
...and another thing - the reviews on these seem very favourable, so why were they
withdrawn so quickly, anyone know?
...and another other thing - from what I can gather the acoustic, bass and electric
guitar version are basically exactly the same inside, just shipped with different
presets, yes? This last one is pretty important as I need it for acoustic (nylon
strung) guitar and if there's a reason I really should get the 'Magicstomp
acoustic' other than the fact that its got 'acoustic' written on it, it would be
useful to know. As Magicstomps appear to be rarer than a dodo's doo-doos, I may
have to make do with the bass model or whatever.
--
Jon
www.jonboyes.co.uk
Adrian Legg
(in article <MPG.226329e37...@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk>):
> Anyone tried one of these impossible-to-get-hold-of stomp boxes? If so, I'd
> like
> some opinion on the quality of the reverbs. I want smooth, lush, no
> clankyness.
I still have an AG Stomp. Reverb choices are basic, but sound good to me.
The limiter is also surprisingly good. My guess would be the same chips were
used in the Magic Stomp - I'd welcome correction if that isn't the case.
>
> ...and another thing - the reviews on these seem very favourable, so why were
> they
> withdrawn so quickly, anyone know?
I wondered that about the AG. I used it for a couple of tours and thought it
was an excellent device - no particularly whizz-bang features and not
particularly cool amongst the acousticati, but it was reliable, simple and
functional. The kick down feedback notches were excellent.
I wonder if more whizzy toys beat the DG Stomp, made the range less
competitive as a whole and the Magic failed to change that.
Yours,
Adrian
George Weston
"Jon Boyes" <m...@nospamhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.226329e37...@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
There's one on eBay right now
http://tinyurl.com/4fuxc3
Also, they appear to be appreciated by those of the Marvinesque persuasion
Keep an eye on the posts at http://groups.msn.com/ShadowMusic/home.msnw
George
Adrian Clark
Jon Boyes <m...@nospamhere.com> wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> Anyone tried one of these impossible-to-get-hold-of stomp boxes? If so, I'd
> like
> some opinion on the quality of the reverbs. I want smooth, lush, no
> clankyness.
They were good, as I remember. Some really nice sounds, although I don't
think the amp modelling was really up to the competition, and the
"compact" user interface didn't do it any favours (two footswitch,
no-pedal design, like the Zoom G1 or Digitech RP50, whereas the
Magicstomp is much more capable in reality).
>
> ...and another thing - the reviews on these seem very favourable, so why were
> they
> withdrawn so quickly, anyone know?
No idea. They brought out an acoustic version, which was excellent, and
then they just faded out of the limelight. I suspect they just didn't
quite fit the general climate in the modelling/multi-fx market at that
point.
adrian
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iannuages
Allegedly the earlier model the AG Stomp was better. Certainly I prefer its
more solid construction. Not that I've tried the Magic sort. There's one on
eBay now item 200212509583.
But if you want to try one out before spending out the cash do you want to
borrow mine for a couple of weeks? If you cover the cost of the postage your
welcome.
Mail me off group.
Thought you where going to get a Baggs??
"Jon Boyes" <m...@nospamhere.com> wrote in message
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david morley
used in the magcstomp though
I do have the UD Stomp which has absolutely incredible delays, choruses
and reverbs. An AMAZING pedal. Seems harder to find that hen's teeth
however.
Jon Boyes
ian.jacks...@ntlworld.com says...
> Hi
> Allegedly the earlier model the AG Stomp was better. Certainly I prefer its
> more solid construction. Not that I've tried the Magic sort. There's one on
> eBay now item 200212509583.
>
> But if you want to try one out before spending out the cash do you want to
> borrow mine for a couple of weeks? If you cover the cost of the postage your
> welcome.
> Mail me off group.
>
> Thought you where going to get a Baggs??
>
Thanks for the kind offer, may take you up on that when I've thought
more about this and researched the market it bit more. Yeah, I know
about the stomps on ebay.
Baggs - yes indeedy, got it and its a fantastic pre-amp. Sorted my gain
and EQ issues with one of my guitars that has a passive pickup. Doesn't
solve my reverb needs though :-) I currently use a Zoom 504 II for gigs
and I am looking to upgrade. A little delay would ocasionally be useful
for the slow numbers and possibly a limiter too, hence me looking at
programmable multi FX.
The fact that the stomps patches can be fine edited by PC is *very*
attractive to me. To have the fine control over live reverb that I have
in the studio with software reverebs would be amazing.
--
Jon
www.jonboyes.co.uk
Jon Boyes
sfo...@gmail.com says...
> They were good, as I remember. Some really nice sounds, although I don't
> think the amp modelling was really up to the competition, and the
> "compact" user interface didn't do it any favours (two footswitch,
> no-pedal design, like the Zoom G1 or Digitech RP50, whereas the
> Magicstomp is much more capable in reality).
OK, cheers. I have no use for amp modelling, its just really the reverbs
and delay I'd be using
> No idea. They brought out an acoustic version, which was excellent,
Ah, but was it any different inside to the others? This is something I
am finding it hard to get an answer to.
--
Jon
www.jonboyes.co.uk
SteveShark
Phone Yamaha and ask them!
YAMAHA-KEMBLE LTD.
Sherbourne Drive,
Tilbrook,
Milton Keynes,
MK7 8BL UK
tel : +44( 0)1908 366700
fax : +44 (0) 1908 368872
url : http://www.yamaha.co.uk
I don't have the customer support number, but that should get you
started.
IME they've always been extremely helpful.
Steve.
Jon Boyes
<steveATguitarsDOTpowernetDOTcoDOTuk> says...
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:53:54 GMT, Jon Boyes <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >Ah, but was it any different inside to the others? This is something I
> >am finding it hard to get an answer to.
>
> Phone Yamaha and ask them!
Ah yes the 'telephone'. I remember them ;-)
Ta for the number.
--
Jon
www.jonboyes.co.uk
Adrian Clark
Jon Boyes <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Ah, but was it any different inside to the others? This is something I
> am finding it hard to get an answer to.
IIRC, the two models were essentially the same (except for colour
scheme) but the presets loaded into each one were different. I think you
could then download a lot of the other model's presets from their
website, but I'm not sure if you could replace the whole lot.
performingchimp
b2.1u. The reason for getting a bass version is that the delay and
reverb modules are totally separate so there's no problem combining the
sounds you want. There's even a delay effect in the modulation module,
so you could have polyrhthmic delays! And the expression pedal allows
fading in of delay effects. As it's for acoustic I don't need the guitar
amp models.
I am going to try one today. There are only 3 reverbs in it, but if
they're good quality then that's OK...
Jon Boyes
perform...@spam.spam says...
> I'm considering replacing my reverb and delay stomp boxes with a zoom
> b2.1u. The reason for getting a bass version is that the delay and
> reverb modules are totally separate so there's no problem combining the
> sounds you want.
Let me know what you think. I bought a Zoom A2 and thought it was
horrible, I sent it back. The reverbs/delays were cheap and nasty and
the mic/room emulation was a joke. Instead of adding 'air' it sounded
like you were playing in a garage.
Its predecessor, the 504 II, does a better job of taming harsh piezos,
although you are very limited as regards combining reverb and delay.
--
Jon
www.jonboyes.co.uk
Jon Boyes
m...@nospam.com says...
Wow, they *are* helpful. Just had a call back from their UK head of
guitar stuff - turns out the acoustic magic stomp does have extra
functionality built into the hardware (feedback busters and mic
emulation).
--
Jon
www.jonboyes.co.uk
performingchimp
Just tried the Zoom B2.1u (on my low-tuned acoustic) - reverbs and
delays very trebly and nasty generally. Also even when "bypassed" it
sucks tone from the low end. The lows are there but volume is reduced at
around 100Hz. Disappointed.
Adrian Clark
performingchimp <perform...@spam.spam> wrote:
> Just tried the Zoom B2.1u (on my low-tuned acoustic) - reverbs and
> delays very trebly and nasty generally. Also even when "bypassed" it
> sucks tone from the low end. The lows are there but volume is reduced at
> around 100Hz. Disappointed.
In a similar ballpark (but slightly pricier, I think) have you tried the
Digitech RP250, Jon? I quite liked it when I tried it last year.
performingchimp
>
> In a similar ballpark (but slightly pricier, I think) have you tried the
> Digitech RP250, Jon? I quite liked it when I tried it last year.
>
>
> adrian
>
It's size really rather than cost which is limiting me - I still need my
un-give-up-able stomp boxes so I need something which will fit on my
board. I'm gonna stick with what I have for mow. The reason for
replacing the delay and reverb stomp boxes was just the DD-5 has
ping-pong issues (it is not proper stereo, the dry signal is unevenly
spread and the pong is louder than the ping), and also I have to tap
tempo on the delay for each song - preset delay times and reverb
settings would be one less thing to worry about.
My vocal effects processor is a Digitech, the effects are OK, not
exactly amazing quality but very usable, but the build quality is crap.
The PSU explodes for fun and also stops functioning if the mains supply
is not smoothed to perfect evenness by magic hamsters. At a festival
using a generator it won't work. In an old country house it won't work.
Plus they make the chassis of their units from metal (great) and the
pedals themselves from old margarine tubs (ungreat).
jg
performingchimp
the best bits of previous efforts (the tap tempo on the dd6 was crazy -
who has time to hold down a pedal for two seconds?!?!) and the blurb
bangs on about the "amazing spatial audio sweeps via true stereo panning".
jg
JNugent
> "Jon Boyes" <m...@nospamhere.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> Anyone tried one of these impossible-to-get-hold-of stomp boxes? If so,
>> I'd like some opinion on the quality of the reverbs. I want smooth, lush,
>> no clankyness.
>> ...and another thing - the reviews on these seem very favourable, so why
>> were they withdrawn so quickly, anyone know?
They weren't withdrawn quickly. They were available for something like
four years.
>> ...and another other thing - from what I can gather the acoustic, bass and
>> electric guitar version are basically exactly the same inside, just shipped
>> with different presets, yes? This last one is pretty important as I need it
>> for acoustic (nylon strung) guitar and if there's a reason I really should
>> get the 'Magicstomp acoustic' other than the fact that its got 'acoustic'
>> written on it, it would be useful to know. As Magicstomps appear to be rarer
>> than a dodo's doo-doos, I may have to make do with the bass model or whatever.
> There's one on eBay right now
> http://tinyurl.com/4fuxc3
> Also, they appear to be appreciated by those of the Marvinesque persuasion
> Keep an eye on the posts at http://groups.msn.com/ShadowMusic/home.msnw
I bought one about four years ago (I brought it up to Wigan when it was
still Wigan - and one of the former Manglement had one there at the same
time). The full price (which I paid) was £149 or £150.
At first, I was just marvelling at the built-in factory presets -
especially the Maestro Echoplex ("tape echo") and the Maestro Fuzztone
("germanium fuzz"). Later, I had it programmed with a third party set of
multi-tap delay patches, emulating vintage Meazzi, Binson and Roland
tape units, as well as some authentic Fender-type tremolo and reverbs
and the superb "EMI Abbey Road Reverb". I influenced a few friends to
try it and saw them exprss delight with it. Then all of a sudden,
everyone over on the ShadowMusic Community seemed to want a MagicStomp -
just as Yamaha announced its discontinuation...
But the story wasn't over... Yamaha (UK) seemed to find large unsold
stocks to remainder, and they were going for next to nowt at the shops
of the usual suspects. I bought a spare (still in its box, unused) and
managed to get hold of several more for people I knew wanted them, in
the UK and abroad. The price was around £65 - £80.
A few months ago, a guitar-laying acquaintance begged me to sell him the
one I had with me at a jam night. At first, I refused, saying that I'd
have to charge him enough to enable me to buy another one and that he
might just as well buy a new one. But he persisted and gathered £80 in
cash together and I sold him my origional unit. But then, to my horror,
I found I could not get a replacement. Eventually, though, I found one -
at £80. So once again, I have one to use and one as a back-up. Phew...
especially as they are starting to go for the original £150 price on eBay.
I wonder whether Yamaha have plans for a better replacement?
Frank A Muller
> A few months ago, a guitar-laying acquaintance begged me to sell him the one I
> had with me at a jam night.
Is he fond of bicycles, too, by any chance, Jim? You really need to widen your
circle of friends.
Frank A Muller
JNugent
> JNugent wrote
>> A few months ago, a guitar-laying acquaintance begged me to sell him the one I
>> had with me at a jam night.
> Is he fond of bicycles, too, by any chance, Jim?
Dunno - I know he's a window-cleaner.
Among my circle of acquaintances/friends, all human life is there.