Shortly I will be buying a Rickenbacker 330, 340, 360 or 370 probably in
blue.
I'd like your general opinion on the guitars and also:
Is the stereo option on the 360/370 just a gimmick or is it useful?
Does the third pickup on the 340/370 improve the sound?
Thanks for your help
"Metebelis" <NOS...@NOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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The stereo option (on the 360 and 381 at least) puts the neck pickup on one
side, the bridge pickup on the other. You can get Ric's special "box," but
inside it is just a y-cable with no other electronics.
I have a 350 (John Lennon style with a full size scale length) which has 3
pickups, a 360-12 (CW) and 381-12, both with two pickups. I've never used
the "stereo" option on the381-12. The Carl Wilson 360-12 has two outputs,
but they are the same, and I would think actually more useful than the
"stereo" output for running parallel effects on two amps.
The three pickups are OK, but the middle pickup is large and gets in the way
of were most people play most often. Try it out for comfort, first. But
someone must like it: Roger McGuinn plays a custom 370 with three pickups,
and as far a Ric players, he is sort of the god.
There have been some reports on the Ric discussion forums (see their web
site) about the Blue finish rubbing off from the back of the neck. It
appears to be related to the use of anti-bacterial soaps on your hands.
Anyway, the blue is pretty nice; my 350 is black, and both my 12 strings are
Fireglo.
--
Ed Oates
http://homepage.mac.com/edoates
DCC wiring information is at http://www.wiringfordcc.com
I have a 360/12. Some of the stuff you can do with the stereo is
interesting but you'd need two amps and it probably isn't useable on the
road.
As for the three pickups, the way it's wired (at least on the 340) you can't
get *more* sounds, just different sounds. It still has a 3-position
selector switch. You need to mod it to access the other possible sounds.
"Metebelis" <NOS...@NOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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As an owner of a 330-12, I never have found myself yearning to use a
stereo feature, or to have a third pickup. In the middle (both
pickups) position, I can blend them together to my desired mix through
one amp. Much easier than trying to tweak two amps to balance the
pickup volumes.
-dave-----:::
www.myspace.com/geetardave
http://www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/19512.pdf
It's the schematic for the Ric 340. In the "down" position you get the
bridge pickup by itself. In the "up", you get neck and middle together. In
the center position, you get all three.
The point is, there are three possible pickup combinations, just like on
their two-pickup guitars (there it's neck, bridge, and neck and bridge
together). There's no way to get neck by itself or middle by itself, or for
example bridge and middle together like on a Strat.
Three pickup combinations total, whether it's a two- or three-pickup guitar.
This is why I completely rewired the three-pickup guitars I have. To be
able to access the sounds you can't get with the standard wiring.
And by the way, the volume controls don't help. One's wired to (neck +
middle) and the other to bridge.
Really what's going on is that the wiring makes the neck + middle pickup act
like a single pickup. There's no way to access either independently.
"Keith Adams" <keith...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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I own a Ric Copy of a 330 (Samick made) and have a/b'd it with a real
Ric....heard no difference between them, and saved a WHOLE bunch of money in
the process.....YMMV
IMO, Stereo will only be truly effective if you run 2 amps. If you want a
stereo effect, my lead player uses 2 Blues Jr's on either side of the stage,
and runs out of his stereo chorus pedal. It works, that's all I can say.
-Steve
"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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By the way the Gibson 3-pup guitars are limited in a similar manner although
the details are different. Still only 3 choices.
Strats piss me off in this respect too. In the standard switching system
you can't get the bridge and neck pickups together or all three together.
At least it's better than when they first came out and had only a 3-position
switch (only one pickup at a time). Players initially discovered the
"in-between" positions by accident!
>By the way the Gibson 3-pup guitars are limited in a similar manner although
>the details are different. Still only 3 choices.
Harmony got it right, three big toggle switches!
>
>Strats piss me off in this respect too. In the standard switching system
>you can't get the bridge and neck pickups together or all three together.
>At least it's better than when they first came out and had only a 3-position
>switch (only one pickup at a time). Players initially discovered the
>"in-between" positions by accident!
A mod I've done for a couple of people is to add a mini-toggle to switch the
bridge pickup in permanently, you can get all combinations then. Add a phase
reversal switch on the middle pickup too. Better yet, connect the top tone
control to all pickups, remove the bottom one and fit a wafer switch which
does the job of both, in all possible combinations, a chicken-head knob on it
enhances the coolness factor...
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
(Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)
The future was never like this!
And then there's the mod that son James did to my Strat:
The 5-way switch works in the usual way but the two tone knobs have now been
converted to treble and bass controls for any pickup(or combination thereof)
selected.
Good for, say, when playing with a particular effect, the sound of which
perhaps could be improved by rolling off the treble or bass a bit - or a
lot. Now dead easy.
George
"Metebelis" <NOS...@NOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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> RichL <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>By the way the Gibson 3-pup guitars are limited in a similar manner although
>>the details are different. Still only 3 choices.
> Harmony got it right, three big toggle switches!
:-)
I saw a semi yesterday which was clearly influenced by the H75/H77. It
was obviously oriental, not quite the same shape as the Harmony
flagship model and had a set neck rather than a bolt-on, but it had
three pickups (those generic Gretsch-influenced ones you see on a lot
of guitars these days - <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2md8kh>) and three
toggles mounted in a line on the treble "horn".
It had six small knobs (presumably) for three volumes and three tones
and a vaguely Bigsby-like trem tailpiece plus a tuneomatic-type bridge
(can't remember whether it was 175 floating style or 335 fixed style).
The intention of the maker was unmistakeable. The guitar was marked up
at about £280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
The same brand was also applied to a straight knock-off of the Hofner
Galaxie for a little less - in white rather then red.
>>Strats piss me off in this respect too. In the standard switching system
>>you can't get the bridge and neck pickups together or all three together.
>>At least it's better than when they first came out and had only a 3-position
>>switch (only one pickup at a time). Players initially discovered the
>>"in-between" positions by accident!
> A mod I've done for a couple of people is to add a mini-toggle to switch the
> bridge pickup in permanently, you can get all combinations then. Add a phase
> reversal switch on the middle pickup too. Better yet, connect the top tone
> control to all pickups, remove the bottom one and fit a wafer switch which
> does the job of both, in all possible combinations, a chicken-head knob on it
> enhances the coolness factor...
A couple of Burns guitars I have have a separate on-switch for the
neck pickup operated by pulling up the middle pickup tone control. The
tone with three pickups on is intriguing, but neck and bridge together
is a little ho-hum.
I have an older (1965) 330/12, which I like, except for its basic
instability. However, it's my understanding that Rickenbacker quality has
improved since I worked on them.
Rics can tend to have narrow necks, and at least older models have dual
trussrods; there isn't a lot of wood left.
So, if you tune it for standing up and sit down and lean back, it goes
detectably sharp. If you're standing and turn quickly, the pitch wavers.
I've been sort of scouting for a newer model and the few I've seen - in
Toronto, Rics are hard to find new or used, and don't last more than a few
days when they appear - have chunkier necks, which interest me less.
The dual rods can also have a tendency to cause the fingerboard to separate
near the headstock. This is easy to fix, but you shouldn't have to.
Otherwise, once you get it in tune, it can sound great.
No, I don't change strings on it very often because it is a real pain due to
the compressed headstock design.
I worked on many 4001 basses and they were flimsy and not particularly good.
The poor design and construction of the 4001 bridge was a real boon for Leo
Quann, the maker of the Badass bridge. Many of those went onto Rics that
couldn't be intonated otherwise. It was very, very easy to flex the necks
on those and the trussrods had serious deterioration problems, being made of
very soft metal. It wasn't uncommon to have to pull the rods out and cut
off the threaded section and recut the threads - which also shortens the
rod - because the threaded section broke off, twisted, bent or stripped.
In addition, the stop block was also extremely soft and subject to
inappropriate wear. This is just due to a poor selection of materials.
Stereo is not a gimmick if you play with two amps, record direct in stereo
or otherwise use two signal chains. If you don't do any of these things,
it's meaningless. You then use the mono jack.
As to the third pickup improving the sound, that's entirely subjective. It
adds options, but whether that's an improvement is for you to judge. The
third pickup doesn't change the basic sound of the guitar or of the other
two pickups.
HTH
-pk
I've owned four ricks. one a bass. a 330 six and a 330 twelve and the
420 or wave guitar.
I've never known anyone to use the stereo on any of them.
A third pickup is just as a strat offers.. so yes, more sound is an
improvement.
I really loved the 330s. I like them the best because of the sharper
cutaways, for looks anyway.
the three position selector pretty much means only the sounds are
different, not more as an increase, but maybe more if you liked those
positions.
ricks wiring has always sucked ass and it probably always will.
For me the 330 is it. The one I'd want if I bought again.
Not enough use for a 12 string. no need for stereo. and it's pure
rickenbacker.
TWANG
Now that _is_ interesting...I've been looking for a replacement for my
H75 which is a little past it's best - I bought it as a wreck.
Must take a look.
I'll keep my camera in the boot of the car. If I get anywhere near
that shop in the next few days, I'll ask if I can take a shot and
either email it to you or post a URL at <www.senduit.com>.
>Stan Barr wrote:
>
>> RichL <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>By the way the Gibson 3-pup guitars are limited in a similar manner although
>>>the details are different. Still only 3 choices.
>
>> Harmony got it right, three big toggle switches!
>
>:-)
>
>I saw a semi yesterday which was clearly influenced by the H75/H77. It
>was obviously oriental, not quite the same shape as the Harmony
>flagship model and had a set neck rather than a bolt-on, but it had
>three pickups (those generic Gretsch-influenced ones you see on a lot
>of guitars these days - <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2md8kh>) and three
>toggles mounted in a line on the treble "horn".
>
>It had six small knobs (presumably) for three volumes and three tones
>and a vaguely Bigsby-like trem tailpiece plus a tuneomatic-type bridge
>(can't remember whether it was 175 floating style or 335 fixed style).
>The intention of the maker was unmistakeable. The guitar was marked up
>at about £280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
>"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
>itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
>featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
>
>The same brand was also applied to a straight knock-off of the Hofner
>Galaxie for a little less - in white rather then red.
>
http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/about_us.html
Seems its a cooperation with the infamous Allan Entwistle.
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http://www.stevedix.de/blog http://www.snorty.net/
<st...@stevedix.de>
>at about £280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
>"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
>itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
>featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0030_-_regal_honey_burst_w_case.html
Thanks, Steve.
The Hofner Galaxie rip-off is at:
<http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0003ca_-_hutchins_fury_vintage_(white)_electric_guitar.html>
The Harmony-influenced model is at:
<http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0030_-_regal_honey_burst_w_case.html>
(but it's cheaper by a mile at the shop I was thinking of).
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:28:41 +0100, JNugent
><not.t...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>at about Ł280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
>>"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
>>itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
>>featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
>
>http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0030_-_regal_honey_burst_w_case.html
And something else I just noticed : they seem to be doing replicas of
an old Grimshaw, just like the one that Pete Townshend knocked up out
of surviving bits of Rickenbacker.
http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/Ravenor.JPG
http://thewho.net/whotabs/equip-grimshaw.htm
Thanks.
here are some interesting guitars there:
<http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0020ca_-_hutchins_venue_(natural)_electric_guitar.html>
Club <-> Venue (geddit?)
<http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0015_-_hutchins_vibrovox_(honey_burst)_electric_guitar.html>
That looks superb... Vox "New Escort" rather than Fender Telecaster...
<http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0034_-_hutchins_saffron_electric_guitar.html>
That one is a near-copy of a WEM Sapphire <Sapphire <-> Saffron>
Quite a few of the other models are already available under the
"Alden" imprint.
I met Alan Alden at the BMF in the mid-1990s. He was doing some great
guitars with Hohner at the time.
I saw a double-cutaway 335-shape Alden 12-string quite recently. More
Gretsch than Gibson, but it looked interesting..
>I saw a semi yesterday which was clearly influenced by the H75/H77. It
>was obviously oriental, not quite the same shape as the Harmony
>flagship model and had a set neck rather than a bolt-on, but it had
>three pickups (those generic Gretsch-influenced ones you see on a lot
>of guitars these days - <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2md8kh>) and three
>toggles mounted in a line on the treble "horn".
>
>It had six small knobs (presumably) for three volumes and three tones
>and a vaguely Bigsby-like trem tailpiece plus a tuneomatic-type bridge
>(can't remember whether it was 175 floating style or 335 fixed style).
>The intention of the maker was unmistakeable. The guitar was marked up
>at about £280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
>"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
>itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
>featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0030_-_regal_honey_burst_w_case.html
Cool!
> Steve Dix <st...@stevedix.de> wrote:
>>JNugent <not.t...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>>>at about Ł280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
>>>"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
>>>itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
>>>featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
>>http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0030_-_regal_honey_burst_w_case.html
> And something else I just noticed : they seem to be doing replicas of
> an old Grimshaw, just like the one that Pete Townshend knocked up out
> of surviving bits of Rickenbacker.
> http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/Ravenor.JPG
> http://thewho.net/whotabs/equip-grimshaw.htm
Eh?
The Grimshaw was a model - although Pete's instrument may have been
electronically modded, I don't think it qualifies as "knocked up out
of surving bits of Rickenbackers".
The Grimshaw was used by Joe Brown, Tony Sheridan, Joe Moretti and
Bruce Welch... back in the late 1950s. A later model (based on the Les
Paul, at the time when the LP was unobtainable) was used by Spencer
Davies and Francis Rossi.
<http://www.brucewelchtribute.com/guitars/guitars/5902DriftersLive.jpg>
Sorry... I mean Allan Entwhistle.
What does this one remind you of?
Gretsch Anniversary.
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:28:41 +0100, JNugent
><not.t...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>>I saw a semi yesterday which was clearly influenced by the H75/H77. It
>>was obviously oriental, not quite the same shape as the Harmony
>>flagship model and had a set neck rather than a bolt-on, but it had
>>three pickups (those generic Gretsch-influenced ones you see on a lot
>>of guitars these days - <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2md8kh>) and three
>>toggles mounted in a line on the treble "horn".
>>
>>It had six small knobs (presumably) for three volumes and three tones
>>and a vaguely Bigsby-like trem tailpiece plus a tuneomatic-type bridge
>>(can't remember whether it was 175 floating style or 335 fixed style).
>>The intention of the maker was unmistakeable. The guitar was marked up
>>at about £280. It looked nice. I think it was called a "Hutchings" or
>>"Hutchins" - and the model was "Regal". And that was interesting in
>>itself, because the Harmony H77 was also sold in the States (and
>>featured in the UK Jennings catalogue) as a "Fender Regal".
>
>http://www.hutchinsguitars.com/hg0030_-_regal_honey_burst_w_case.html
>
>Cool!
Thought you'd like it, Stan.
I have a 330 from 2002 and a 360 from 1999. Both guitars absolutely scream.
No problems with construction, tuning, or intonation so far, though I have
only been playing Ricks about a year. I don't find myself wishing I had a
third pickup. My other guitars have them, with all the fancy select and phase
switches. There are only a couple of sounds I miss, but I did not use those
often anyway.
Jeff.
--
Jeff Shirley
spam-...@mindspring.com
"Bill Gates is filthy rich, but that doesn't mean I want to be married to him."
>On Jun 16, 11:37 am, "Metebelis" <NOS...@NOSPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>> Prior to buying a guitar I always ask for advice here. So here goes again.
>>
>> Shortly I will be buying a Rickenbacker 330, 340, 360 or 370 probably in
>> blue.
>>
>> I'd like your general opinion on the guitars and also:
>>
>> Is the stereo option on the 360/370 just a gimmick or is it useful?
>> Does the third pickup on the 340/370 improve the sound?
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>>
>> www.metebelis.co.uk
>
>As an owner of a 330-12, I never have found myself yearning to use a
>stereo feature, or to have a third pickup. In the middle (both
>pickups) position, I can blend them together to my desired mix through
>one amp. Much easier than trying to tweak two amps to balance the
>pickup volumes.
I'm right there with ya, but we have 330-12s. That's a different
animal than the 6 strings.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
The main thing you have to remember, bear in mind about Rickenbacker
is that the guitars are not 'finished' when they come out of the
factory.
Google Mark Arnquist and learn the problems with Rickenbacker
instruments, and why he is the one you will want to send it to to make
it play like it should, and sound worlds better. You won't believe the
difference. I know, I've played before and after Rickys Mark has
worked on. Trust me on this.
--Fletch
Long story but basically I downloaded a guitar setup and repair video
starring Mark Arnquist. I was impressed with it so much that I emailed
him and let him know the video helped me out. Anyway we emailed each
other back n forth and he sure knows what he's talking about... sent
me pics of his guitars etc.... We also spoke on the phone and I agreed
to send him my $3500 Quicksilver for a complete makeover (electrical,
fret dressing, setup, cleaning) whatever it would take to get this
guitar to be usable. Now its been over 3 months and his voicemail is
full, doesn't answer my emails. Last we spoke the first thing that
came out of his mouth was "Its on its way Monday" and "you'll be
recieving the bill via email, and its not much", he said. I'm confused
but see really no recourse... and I'm afraid that I lossed this
guitar. Around the 2 month mark, he sent me photos of him being in the
hospital and that may be the case right now. I seriously can't see him
stealing my guitar. But you would think he'd have an assistant that
will handle loose ends, I dont know. What can I do... I'm in Michigan
and he's in Seattle. Am I to fly out to ****in Seattle and try and
locate sheeesh!
THx,
Ken
from the gearpage.net
couldn't find a webpage for him.
seems he had some heart problems at one time.. the above was 2005.
never did learn how this guy turned out.
could be a rare event or even singular, but if you're going to deal
with him, I'd ask about this and get some things clear about time and
communication.,
good stuff all over the web about him .. and a couple of clinkers.
probably pretty typical for there to be a guy or two not happy with
something.
esp. if he got pretty sick.
TWANG