Plagiarism (a bit OT maybe)
Ian Pettigrew
swear that from beginning to end, you could sing the Carpenters "Close to
You" along with it, beat by beat, verse by verse. This is so blatant, I'd
half a mind to report her...
(I really think "Close to You" was one of the most beautiful songs ever
written...sorry! Can't help it!)
I recall the late George Harrison got hauled through the Courts for "My
Sweet Lord" ("He's So Fine").
Other songs lucky (IMHO) to escape litigation were that fucking awful Pet
Shop Boys "It's a Sin" (Cat Stevens' "Wild World") and some pile of shit by
China Crisis many years back -- it resembled Elton John's "Your Song" to the
extent that it even contained the line, "I sat on the roof", as I recall.
Any others spring to mind?
That's my rant over -- just waiting for wife & sprogs to return so that they
can take me to the pub where I can sit and play dominoes in a corner and pee
in my pants with the other grumpy old bastards...
Ian P,
East Lothian,
Bonny Scotland
A thing not worth doing isn't worth doing well.
Lawrence Sunley
"Ian Pettigrew" <ho...@ianp.go-plus.net> wrote in message
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> Sharleen Spiteri was on the TV the other night plugging her new single. I
> swear that from beginning to end, you could sing the Carpenters "Close to
> You" along with it, beat by beat, verse by verse. This is so blatant, I'd
> half a mind to report her...
I seem to remeber them stealing from many sources, especially Al Green
(didn't they cover "Tired of being alone" too). couldn't remember the other
songs they ripped but I found this on google...
Subject: Texas plagiarism
"Hi again folks,
While I've got a soft spot for Texas (Sharleen Spiteri's got a nice voice
and a nice record collection), I've got to say they are the most blatant
plagiarists. Not content with stealing that great Al Green/Teeny Hodges
guitar riff in Say What You Want, they also raid Marvin: "When I get that
feeling...". Yes, Sharleen, what do you need?
So now their latest single (When We Are Together) is on the radio and I
hear "you brush against a stranger and you both apologise".
A tribute, I suppose?
Rob"
The "brush against a stranger" appears to be a joni mitchell lyric so I
guess this strengthens your case, Ian
Lawrence.
Joel Cooney
<ho...@ianp.go-plus.net> plied uk.music.guitar with:
One of the tracks on the Strokes' (highly over-rated) debut steals a
riff, note for note, from The Undertones' "You've got my number (why
don't you use it)"
Elastica got done by the Stranglers for plagiarism I seem to recall?
I'm sure it was for them basically ripping off 'No More heroes' (not
to borrowing their leather jackets and general skulkiness)
Nagai
"Ian Pettigrew" <ho...@ianp.go-plus.net> wrote in message
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> China Crisis many years back -- it resembled Elton John's "Your Song" to
the
> extent that it even contained the line, "I sat on the roof", as I recall.
Er, I think you need to listen to "Wishful Thinking" (for that is the song),
again!
I don't think that 5 lines counts as plaigarism, nor does the tune resemble
"Your Song", in any which shape or form!
Martyn
Ian Pettigrew
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Thanks Lawrence -- I mean, I'm a very proud Scot, but somewhat ashamed at
our contributions to rock or popular music in recent years: Wet, Wet, Wet
(PurLEASE!!!); Simple Minds -- over-inflated Spectoresque shite; Billy
MacKenzie (Hey! Why bother singing in tune?); Texas (of course...)...
Thank fuck we gave the world Andy Stewart, Fran & Anna, Kenneth McKellar,
Glen Daly, and Sidney Devine...
nog
ho...@ianp.go-plus.net says...
---------------------------------8<
> Thanks Lawrence -- I mean, I'm a very proud Scot, but somewhat ashamed at
> our contributions to rock or popular music in recent years: Wet, Wet, Wet
> (PurLEASE!!!); Simple Minds -- over-inflated Spectoresque shite; Billy
> MacKenzie (Hey! Why bother singing in tune?); Texas (of course...)...
>
> Thank fuck we gave the world Andy Stewart, Fran & Anna, Kenneth McKellar,
> Glen Daly, and Sidney Devine...
You can't be _that_ proud - you left out Jimmy Shand. ;-)
--
Peter
Ian Pettigrew
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So -- Why did it thus occur to me at the time, and was concurred by my
friends and contemporaries? And does your opinion, to which you are very
entitled, confirm that "5 lines" is below the trigger level, if any, for
plagiarism? The line in question is sung exactly as Elton John, the same
meter, intervals and (for all we know) in the same key. It therefore brought
"Your Song" to mind as opposed to (say) "Ernie, the Fastest Milkman in the
West".
I'm not saying it was deliberate plagiarism, could even have been
subconscious; but there you have it. OK, so I can't stand China Crisis --
you've found me out! I therefore can't bring myself to "to listen to
"Wishful Thinking" (for that is the song), again!".. sorry...
}:->
Going back to '86, Jethro Tull's "Said She Was a Dancer" was SO like Dire
Straits that I was embarrassed. I was in denial at the time, but embarrassed
nonetheless.
Nagai
> "Nagai" <martyn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ffrAb.1623$SV1....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > I don't think that 5 lines counts as plaigarism, nor does the tune
> resemble
> > "Your Song", in any which shape or form!
>
> So -- Why did it thus occur to me at the time, and was concurred by my
> friends and contemporaries? And does your opinion, to which you are very
> entitled, confirm that "5 lines" is below the trigger level, if any, for
Sorry Ian, I meant to say 5 words, not 5 lines!
And I don't say that you are not entitled to your opinion. After all, if
like me, you were always correct, it would be a very dull world! lol
Ian Pettigrew
But I AM (always correct)!!! Right -- School gates at 1600!
}:->
"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Ashleigh
Brilliant)"
OK -- gotta prac for 2morrow night's VERY RARE band rehearsal... Dreading
blood on the carpet if the rhythm section inevitably come to blows...
Lawrence Sunley
<snip!>
I seem to remember the wets got done for ripping off Van Morrison on their
Debut LP.
:)
I'll get me coat.
Adrian Clark
> Going back to '86, Jethro Tull's "Said She Was a Dancer" was SO like Dire
> Straits that I was embarrassed. I was in denial at the time, but embarrassed
> nonetheless.
Yeah, I had exactly the same cringe moment when the 'Crest of a Knave'
album came out (pedantically speaking, I think it was 1987). I thought
there were parts of 'Budapest' that had even more of a DS sound to them.
I was in denial, too (especially as I really don't like DS at all)...
blinkered by Tull-worship!
Adrian
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"Adrian Clark" <spag...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ian Pettigrew <ho...@ianp.go-plus.net> wrote:
>
> > Going back to '86, Jethro Tull's "Said She Was a Dancer" was SO like
Dire
> > Straits that I was embarrassed. I was in denial at the time, but
embarrassed
> > nonetheless.
>
> Yeah, I had exactly the same cringe moment when the 'Crest of a Knave'
> album came out (pedantically speaking, I think it was 1987). I thought
> there were parts of 'Budapest' that had even more of a DS sound to them.
> I was in denial, too (especially as I really don't like DS at all)...
> blinkered by Tull-worship!
>
> Adrian
I was a big Tull fan but hate the ripoff stuff that was done around about
"Crest of a Knave".
Ian Anderson just seemed to look at what had been selling by the shitload in
the "adult rock" arena and went about reproducing the sounds of Dire Straits
("She Said She was a Dancer" and "Budapest") and ZZ Top ("Steel Monkey" and
"Raising Steam").
It just seemed to be a cynical attempt to get the album sales back up after
the fanbase got a bit confused with the "Under Wraps" album (one of my
favourites).
Of course then they went and got a bloody grammy for "Crest". Who says crime
never pays?
Brendan
Richard Kaulfuss
>Sharleen Spiteri was on the TV the other night plugging her new single. I
>swear that from beginning to end, you could sing the Carpenters "Close to
>You" along with it, beat by beat, verse by verse. This is so blatant, I'd
>half a mind to report her...
>
>(I really think "Close to You" was one of the most beautiful songs ever
>written...sorry! Can't help it!)
>
>I recall the late George Harrison got hauled through the Courts for "My
>Sweet Lord" ("He's So Fine").
>
>Other songs lucky (IMHO) to escape litigation were that fucking awful Pet
>Shop Boys "It's a Sin" (Cat Stevens' "Wild World") and some pile of shit by
>China Crisis many years back -- it resembled Elton John's "Your Song" to the
>extent that it even contained the line, "I sat on the roof", as I recall.
>
>Any others spring to mind?
>
You mean like Paul Simon's shameless ripoff of Martin Carthy's
arrangement of "Scarborough Fair"? Or Jimmy Page's ripoff of Bert
Jansch's "Black Waterside"?
--
Dick
Antal
> Or Jimmy Page's ripoff of Bert Jansch's "Black Waterside"?
How dare you accuse Pagey of plagiarism...;-)
AA
Jose de las Heras
"Adrian Clark" <spag...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > Going back to '86, Jethro Tull's "Said She Was a Dancer" was SO like
Dire
> > Straits that I was embarrassed. I was in denial at the time, but
embarrassed
> > nonetheless.
>
> Yeah, I had exactly the same cringe moment when the 'Crest of a Knave'
> album came out (pedantically speaking, I think it was 1987). I thought
> there were parts of 'Budapest' that had even more of a DS sound to them.
> I was in denial, too (especially as I really don't like DS at all)...
> blinkered by Tull-worship!
>
>
> Adrian
However, I thought they were copying themselves, as I kept confusing both
songs... but I decided to keep smiling as I liked JT so much...
The one that reminded me of DS was "The Walking Edge" for some reason...
same album 'though (from '87 indeed)
Jose
Jose de las Heras
Oh, more about Jethro Tull... and then you get "Later that same evening"
from the album Under Wraps... that reminded me of Phil Collins!!!
Jose
Steve Cobham
Yeah - who the hell do you think you are?
Willie Dixon?
;)
Steve.
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>
> > Going back to '86, Jethro Tull's "Said She Was a Dancer" was SO like
Dire
> > Straits that I was embarrassed. I was in denial at the time, but
embarrassed
> > nonetheless.
>
> Yeah, I had exactly the same cringe moment when the 'Crest of a Knave'
> album came out (pedantically speaking, I think it was 1987). I thought
> there were parts of 'Budapest' that had even more of a DS sound to them.
> I was in denial, too (especially as I really don't like DS at all)...
> blinkered by Tull-worship!
>
>
> Adrian
Of course, "Crest" was the first album with IA's "new" voice following his
throat problems -- there are some vocal notes just no longer in his register
and is it painful to watch him on stage now, standing on tiptoes as he
struggles with those same frequencies. A real shame, because he had such a
beautiful voice pre-"Knave" and he didn't deserve what happened to him,
because he never used to attempt anything out of his range that would
otherwise require a safety net... His "new" voice, by chance, comes out like
that Knopfler-esque rasp...
I still laugh when I think of "Knave" (1987, of course...) -- Tull won a
Grammy for the album under the "Heavy Metal" category. They all pissed
themselves at that because they see themselves as a sort of "rock band with
mandolins", or "folk band with amps"; Metallica, however, were not amused in
the slightest...
Getting back to vocals, I mean, you won't hear Plant belting out the old
classics like he did in the studio -- certainly not like he used to, or
"Rock & Roll" in "A" any more, for example. Some of the old Motown stuff
still makes me cringe because you can hear that many of the lead and backing
singers are straining for those high notes... I don't know what it was with
many of the 60's acts, but they mostly sung in a register they're no longer
capable of; that is, those who are still alive. Freddy Mercury could not get
near (live) the notes he belted out for studio recordings -- sadly, it was
not until later in his short life that he seemed to have gone for the
necessary voice control exercises.
The point I'm making is that, IMHO... "Natural" singers like James Ingram,
for example: soaring, beautiful, and painless...
OTOH, no-one is going to convince me that Michael Bolton is not in a lot of
pain, or asking for serious throat trouble later in life... same goes for
Mick "trying desperately to be black but failing miserably" Hucknall.
Ian P
Ian Spencer
"Jose de las Heras" <jose.de...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
> Oh, more about Jethro Tull... and then you get "Later that same evening"
> from the album Under Wraps... that reminded me of Phil Collins!!!
>
... and the Stone Roses major hit was a direct lift of Can - that
distinictive sound was 10 years out of date - but I can never remember the
title of either.
You know when you are into a return to the worst of the 70's when the Asda
commercial becomes a hit single...
Ian
Steve Cobham
Inconsequential "fluff" type music (no Alan Freeman reference
intended!) has been with us for a long time.
After driving on Saturday morning listening to the whole two hours of
"Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
the 60s too.
It wasn't all Beatles, Stones, Hendrix and Cream.
I suspect - in fact, I know - that the same low proportion of diamonds
amongst the turds is true of other musical periods too, although I
also suspect that we all tend to view a "golden" musical period
through rose-coloured spectacles.
Music, eh?
Funny stuff, isn't it - wasn't it?
Steve White
>OTOH, no-one is going to convince me that Michael Bolton is not in a lot of
>pain, or asking for serious throat trouble later in life... same goes for
>Mick "trying desperately to be black but failing miserably" Hucknall.
Now that's justice.
Steve W
Steve Cobham
<ho...@ianp.go-plus.net> wrote:
>no-one is going to convince me that Michael Bolton is not in a lot of
>pain,
Let's hope so, shall we?
>or asking for serious throat trouble later in life... same goes for
>Mick "trying desperately to be black but failing miserably" Hucknall.
Ditto.
Joel Cooney
>
>"Jose de las Heras" <jose.de...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:br0kri$27np44$1...@ID-193238.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> Oh, more about Jethro Tull... and then you get "Later that same evening"
>> from the album Under Wraps... that reminded me of Phil Collins!!!
>>
>
>... and the Stone Roses major hit was a direct lift of Can - that
>distinictive sound was 10 years out of date - but I can never remember the
>title of either.
You are probably thinking of "I'm So Green" - by Can and "Fool's Gold"
by the Stone Roses. The former tune has been described as 'A Spastic
'Fools Gold' by the Roses' Bassist Mani - however this was in
retrospect as the band apparently hadn't heard Ege Bam Yasi when they
wrote Fools Gold - Mani only became aware of it when he joined Primal
Scream.
To be fair to The Roses, Can were *decades* ahead of their time in
some respects - effectively proto-dance music before synths,
sequencers or the like were truly utilised. Along a similar vein as
'Tomorrow Never Knows', tunes like 'Halleluah' and 'Oh yeh' still
sound incredibly fresh even when taken out of context.
<nitpick> I'm so green has a steady 4/4 breakbeat, whereas Fool's Gold
is of course famous for its hybrid 4/4-6/4 rythm</nitpick>
George Weston
And talking of Dire Straits, which came first - Brothers in Arms or Snowy
White's Bird of Paradise?
Grounds for a lawsuit there, methinks?
George
Andy Bettis
Band, which uses the intro from Alright Now by Free. It doesn't even fit
with the song!
Rev. Andy
Ian Spencer
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...and what a surprise to hear Richard Thompson playing on Nick Drake
performing Sultans Of Swing (aka Hazey Jane II).
Ian
Steve Cobham
<justforn...@tesco.co.uk> wrote:
>...and what a surprise to hear Richard Thompson playing on Nick Drake
>performing Sultans Of Swing (aka Hazey Jane II).
Actually, I don't mind it when artists plagiarise other people - it's
when they start to plagiarise themselves that annoys me.........
Ian Spencer
"Joel Cooney" <jcoone...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:17:23 GMT, "Ian Spencer"
> retrospect as the band apparently hadn't heard Ege Bam Yasi when they
> wrote Fools Gold - Mani only became aware of it when he joined Primal
> Scream.
>
<smile> but we all know that ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.
George Harrison was famously miffed for being found guilty of copying She's
So Fine when he'd actually copied a different song...
Ian
JNugent
> "Ian Spencer" <justforn...@tesco.co.uk> wrote:
> >... the Stone Roses major hit was a direct lift of Can - that
> >distinictive sound was 10 years out of date - but I can never remember
> >the title of either.
> >You know when you are into a return to the worst of the 70's when the
Asda
> >commercial becomes a hit single...
???
> Inconsequential "fluff" type music (no Alan Freeman reference
> intended!) has been with us for a long time.
...luckily.
Not everything has to be weighty and momentous.
> After driving on Saturday morning listening to the whole two hours of
> "Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
> proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
> the 60s too.
> It wasn't all Beatles, Stones, Hendrix and Cream.
That was the best part of the sixties charts - while it was dominated by
acts who appealed to younger people (and especially to teenage girls), that
was not to the exclusion of everything else.
In the nineteen-sixties, a *much* wider cross-section of the population was
buying 45rpm singles (let alone LPs), hence *huge* hits for people like Ken
Dodd (against whom I will not hear a word said).
And hits for Los Indios Tabajaras (my grandmother gave me the money to buy
that one, because "Maria Elena" reminded her of her own teenage years),
Whistling Jack Smith, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Mrs Mills, Bert Weedon,
Andy Williams and Adge Cutler & The Wurzels.
And what's wrong with that?
The charts are only supposed to reflect what is selling.
> I suspect - in fact, I know - that the same low proportion of diamonds
> amongst the turds is true of other musical periods too, although I
> also suspect that we all tend to view a "golden" musical period
> through rose-coloured spectacles.
Not me - I remember the warts and all.
But the fact that music isn't/wasn't to one's taste does not automatically
place it in the "turd" category, does it?
At the time, I couldn't have listened to Parisian musette, but I can now...
JNugent
> "Ian Pettigrew" <ho...@ianp.go-plus.net> wrote:
> >no-one is going to convince me that Michael Bolton is not in a lot of
> >pain,
> Let's hope so, shall we?
> >or asking for serious throat trouble later in life... same goes for
> >Mick "trying desperately to be black but failing miserably" Hucknall.
> Ditto.
> Steve.
Count me in on that.
Not because I don't like the two gentlemen concerned (though I definitely do
not), but because their stuff is lionised out of all proportion to its
value.
Steve Cobham
<JNu...@AC30.freeofspamserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Steve Cobham <st...@guitars.powernet.co.uk> wrote...
>
>> "Ian Spencer" <justforn...@tesco.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >... the Stone Roses major hit was a direct lift of Can - that
>> >distinictive sound was 10 years out of date - but I can never remember
>> >the title of either.
>
>> >You know when you are into a return to the worst of the 70's when the
>Asda
>> >commercial becomes a hit single...
>
>???
>
>> Inconsequential "fluff" type music (no Alan Freeman reference
>> intended!) has been with us for a long time.
>
>...luckily.
>
>Not everything has to be weighty and momentous.
The amount of stuff that the Gershwins, Berlin and people like Rodgers
and Hammerstein just pumped out in earlier years contained its fair
share of "fluff", and also some real turkeys. For every Bali Hai
there's a Bloody Mary...........
>
>> After driving on Saturday morning listening to the whole two hours of
>> "Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
>> proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
>> the 60s too.
>
>> It wasn't all Beatles, Stones, Hendrix and Cream.
>
>That was the best part of the sixties charts - while it was dominated by
>acts who appealed to younger people (and especially to teenage girls), that
>was not to the exclusion of everything else.
Indeed not, but much of the music was as formulaic as today's. the
John Barry sound - pizzicato strings and girly chorus was one such
formula.
>
>In the nineteen-sixties, a *much* wider cross-section of the population was
>buying 45rpm singles (let alone LPs), hence *huge* hits for people like Ken
>Dodd (against whom I will not hear a word said).
Can't say I'm a fan of his singing or his comedy, although I can
admire his vast store of gags.
I doubt that I'll ever forgive him for the Diddymen though.
It's the sort of invention that proves Satan exists and that the auto
da fe ws a just punishment for worshipping him through such means.
>
>And hits for Los Indios Tabajaras (my grandmother gave me the money to buy
>that one, because "Maria Elena" reminded her of her own teenage years),
>Whistling Jack Smith, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Mrs Mills, Bert Weedon,
>Andy Williams and Adge Cutler & The Wurzels.
>
>And what's wrong with that?
Er.......nothing really, I suppose, apart from some of it being
execrable rubbish in *any* musical era.
>
>The charts are only supposed to reflect what is selling.
Indeed.
>
>> I suspect - in fact, I know - that the same low proportion of diamonds
>> amongst the turds is true of other musical periods too, although I
>> also suspect that we all tend to view a "golden" musical period
>> through rose-coloured spectacles.
>
>Not me - I remember the warts and all.
>
>But the fact that music isn't/wasn't to one's taste does not automatically
>place it in the "turd" category, does it?
No, but I like to think that there's a certain standard beneath which
certain recordings can be filed under "CRAP".
>
>At the time, I couldn't have listened to Parisian musette, but I can now...
I'd rather listen to it than much of what is and has been in the
charts.
nog
st...@guitars.powernet.co.uk says...
> After driving on Saturday morning listening to the whole two hours of
> "Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
> proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
> the 60s too.
If you're talking about the programme that Brian Matthew does, I'm
always bemused by the amount of shite he manages to dredge up.
--
Peter - another "child" of the sixties (although actually a war baby)
JNugent
> <JNu...@AC30.freeofspamserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >Steve Cobham <st...@guitars.powernet.co.uk> wrote...
> >> Inconsequential "fluff" type music (no Alan Freeman reference
> >> intended!) has been with us for a long time.
> >...luckily.
> >Not everything has to be weighty and momentous.
> The amount of stuff that the Gershwins, Berlin and people like Rodgers
> and Hammerstein just pumped out in earlier years contained its fair
> share of "fluff", and also some real turkeys. For every Bali Hai
> there's a Bloody Mary...........
"Bloody Mary (is the girl I love)" was a production dance number. Like a
good many others from the Rodgers/Hart and Rodgers/Hammerstein stable, it
was never meant to be listened to in the comfort of one's own home - it was
written at a time before the "original cast" or "soundtrack" album had even
been thought of. As a production number, it works very well. For sitting and
listening to... well...
Mind you, R&H's previous musical - Oklahoma! - diddn't have a single duff
number in it - every one of them completely listenable out of context.
> >> ..."Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
> >> proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
> >> the 60s too.
> >> It wasn't all Beatles, Stones, Hendrix and Cream.
> >That was the best part of the sixties charts - while it was dominated by
> >acts who appealed to younger people (and especially to teenage girls),
that
> >was not to the exclusion of everything else.
> Indeed not, but much of the music was as formulaic as today's. the
> John Barry sound - pizzicato strings and girly chorus was one such
> formula.
How many chart hits did he have with that sound? Four for Adam Faith and two
under his own name? Perhaps not as many as that...
> >In the nineteen-sixties, a *much* wider cross-section of the population
was
> >buying 45rpm singles (let alone LPs), hence *huge* hits for people like
Ken
> >Dodd (against whom I will not hear a word said).
> Can't say I'm a fan of his singing or his comedy, although I can
> admire his vast store of gags.
I particularly admire his commitment to Liverpool, when others in his
financial slot would be living in the South of France, or on Guernsey or
Capri, or somewhere.
> I doubt that I'll ever forgive him for the Diddymen though.
A childrens' TV programme... you didn't *have* to watch it! :-)
> It's the sort of invention that proves Satan exists and that the auto
> da fe ws a just punishment for worshipping him through such means.
> >And hits for Los Indios Tabajaras (my grandmother gave me the money to
buy
> >that one, because "Maria Elena" reminded her of her own teenage years),
> >Whistling Jack Smith, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Mrs Mills, Bert
Weedon,
> >Andy Williams and Adge Cutler & The Wurzels.
> >And what's wrong with that?
> Er.......nothing really, I suppose, apart from some of it being
> execrable rubbish in *any* musical era.
Interesting...
Which bits (apart from Mrs Mills, I mean)?
> >The charts are only supposed to reflect what is selling.
> Indeed.
> >> I suspect - in fact, I know - that the same low proportion of diamonds
> >> amongst the turds is true of other musical periods too, although I
> >> also suspect that we all tend to view a "golden" musical period
> >> through rose-coloured spectacles.
> >Not me - I remember the warts and all.
> >But the fact that music isn't/wasn't to one's taste does not
automatically
> >place it in the "turd" category, does it?
> No, but I like to think that there's a certain standard beneath which
> certain recordings can be filed under "CRAP".
I understand your point very well, believe me (see another thread below).
Steve Cobham
<peter.mccor...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
>In article <L1=UP8i2xFuNw45...@4ax.com>,
>st...@guitars.powernet.co.uk says...
>> After driving on Saturday morning listening to the whole two hours of
>> "Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
>> proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
>> the 60s too.
>
>If you're talking about the programme that Brian Matthew does, I'm
>always bemused by the amount of shite he manages to dredge up.
Yes, I think he's developed it into an art form.
Strangely enough, I've just looked at the playlist and it seems better
than what I heard - although it *is* what I heard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/sounds60s/playlist.shtml
Maybe it was down to BM's less than dymanic manner, but it was two
hours of unremitting tedium nevertheless.
When I think of what he *could* have played................
JNugent
> st...@guitars.powernet.co.uk says...
> > After driving on Saturday morning listening to the whole two hours of
> > "Sounds of the 60s" on Radio 2, it amazed me that such a high
> > proportion of the music played was just utter crap, and I'm a child of
> > the 60s too.
> If you're talking about the programme that Brian Matthew does, I'm
> always bemused by the amount of shite he manages to dredge up.
The programme has been running for twenty+ years.
It is on for two hours a week and requires 30 or more discs each week.
They can't just play Number Ones Of The Sixties.
They have to play some number twos as well.
nog
JNu...@AC30.freeofspamserve.co.uk says...
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
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Peter
Nagai
"Steve Cobham" <st...@guitars.powernet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:50:43 GMT, "Ian Spencer"
> <justforn...@tesco.co.uk> wrote:
> Actually, I don't mind it when artists plagiarise other people - it's
> when they start to plagiarise themselves that annoys me.........
>
> Steve.
How about Moonlight Shadow, Man In The Rain, and (I think) Crime Of Passion
by Mike Oldfield? All so bloody similar(especially the first two), even the
guitar solo's!
If I was Mr Oldfield, I'd be copying off Stig O'Hara and begin suing myself!
lol
Martyn
icarusi
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> The point I'm making is that, IMHO... "Natural" singers like James Ingram,
> for example: soaring, beautiful, and painless...
>
> OTOH, no-one is going to convince me that Michael Bolton is not in a lot
of
> pain, or asking for serious throat trouble later in life... same goes for
> Mick "trying desperately to be black but failing miserably" Hucknall.
I have some concert video footage of Mike McDonald from not too long ago,
and the first few numbers he was struggling to hit the higher notes. I
thought it wasn't looking good for later in the concert, but strangely his
voice loosened up after those numbers and he was hitting the high notes with
comparitive ease. Ya mo be there.......
Tiny Tim vs Jason Wilson?
Icarusi
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Steve White
>> They have to play some number twos as well.
nog wrote in message ...
>ROFLMAO!!!!!!
Me too.
Steve W
Frank A Muller
> An old one, but it bugs me to this day - Rockin' Me by the Steve Miller
> Band, which uses the intro from Alright Now by Free.
True, too true. Shame on you Steve.
Or how about this one (and this one will really stretch your memorial cells):
The Staple Singers "Come Go With Me" rips off the intro from Harry J & The All
Stars "Liquidator". Shame on you Pops.
Frank A Muller
Frank A Muller
> They can't just play Number Ones Of The Sixties.
>
> They have to play some number twos as well.
That, James, is destined to become a classic line!
Frank A Muller