I'm just interested in your opionions...!
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and saying Our Lord's going to come back and save us all."
Ted: "No, Dougal, that's us. That's Catholicism."
Ground breaking of his time, melodic and very inventive - no two solos
sounded the same. Certainly no God of modern guitar playing, and not as
influential as lots of others I could think of.
Obviously not fun to work with and a bit nuts.
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No god, but a great guitarist and a pratt to boot. I heard he was difficult
to work with but the opening number in the Come Hell or High Water DVD
confirms his pratt status.
In case you haven't seen it, the opening number is Highway Star and
"Blackers" doesn't come on stage or even play a note until it's solo time
well into the number. Lord is working his b***s of to generate some energy
then come solo time Blackmore swans out from behind his stacks and starts to
play. Half way through his solo he stops, walks across the stage, picks up a
jug of water and throws it at a cameraman, finishes his solo and disappears
behind his equipment again.
How professional is that? Mental more like.
Andrew(lefty)
> Ritchie Blackmore: God of modern guitar playing, or over-rated lunatic ?.
God? No, but good none the less particulalrly during his era.
Lunatic? The boy is 'aff his heid' and his recent "Blackadder"
phase just bares that out.
> I'm just interested in your opionions...!
Well, personally I think Ian Paice was the real star of
that particular beat combo. Hugely underrated IMO.
I bet he spent hours practising throwing water beforehand though - and now
it comes in useful to water the flowers at the bottom of his garden - when
he's not rehearsing with the fairies, of course ...
But seriously, he was a very innovative guitarist - combining classical and
blues into rock which gave him a different slant to Hendrix (although I
suppose there are some similarities) and the others who were pretty much
fixed in Blues/Rock mode. He was certainly talented, but on live recordings
he appears to be very sloppy - but this is probably down to the high levels
of improvisation, and its not easy to smash a guitar and keep it in tune :)
Certainly he fits the genius/ borderline lunatic category and must have been
absolute hell to work with - Trev Ridney lent me a video of him in his
Rainbow era, and he positively glowered across at stage left, where his
techie was (I believe) turning a solo boost on/off as well as catching his
slide as it was hurtled towards him.
I gather he used to use hand signals to signal changes in the improv
sections, but you can be pretty sure that the other band members had plenty
of their own hand signals which saw plenty of use in his general direction
...
Cheers
James
As an impressionable teenager I waited around outside a Rainbow soundcheck,
to
see if I could meet my hero and perhaps get an autograph. There were only
half a dozen of us there but he still ignored everone and just barged past
us, both going into and coming out of the venue. To be fair, he might have
been having a bad day, but I suppose I've just considered him a wanker from
that day onwards.
He's always been more obsessed by portraying himself as some kind of dark,
moody virtuoso and has seemed to struggle terribly with getting older.
Seeing him in the final Rainbow lineups and the reformed Purple was just
sad - a middle aged man in leather trousers and white cowboy boots (Rock
Lovejoy?) more
interested in trying to keep his ludicrous "dead cat" hair transplant from
being swooped on by passing vultures, than in actually playing any of his
own
stuff properly.
Still, at least he seems a bit happier these days. Can't say I've heard much
of
his Baldrick tribute band but it's always seemed a bit half baked to me.
Anyway, thanks for helping me relive these traumatic events from my past. I
feel ready to move on in my life now, to put the past behind me and realise
that I do have a contribution to make.
....I'll get my wig
brendan.ashbrook at brendan....@ntlworld.com wrote on 17/1/03 2:59 pm:
If you read the posts again, you will see that no one said anything
negative about his playing (in fact, quite the opposite). There seems to
be consensus over his attitude, however.
> All you doubters should go and treat yourself to a copy of 'Deep Purple in
> rock'
Deep Purple were the first rock band I got into in my early teens - I
used to own most of their albums (inc. In Rock), along with all the
Rainbow stuff too.
Is this the "Live Between the Eyes" video ?. I watched this so much when I
was a kid, that its allmost black and white now. I'd kill for a Dio era
live video...
>
> You are not worthy!
> I cannot believe the negativity that i am hearing from a guitar
> newsgroup
> re;Blackmore's playing.(although when i see references to TV
> programmes in the criticism it is easier to understand)
> It's telling to hear criticisms of his recent stuff by people who
> admit to
> not having heard it!
> Richie,in my opinion, has had more of an influence than many others
> who
> are more frequently mentioned.
> Apart from the obvious'metal'from the NWOBHM through the 80's and
> 90's
> American thrash and death metal stuff,and of course not forgetting Vai
> and Satch.
> All you doubters should go and treat yourself to a copy of 'Deep
> Purple in
> rock'
>
or may I suggest "Made In Japan" .................
OK so SOTW has become a guitar store cliche, (The song which must not be
named...) but others like Highway Star, Speed King and the improv on the
live version of Strange Kinda Woman show how good Ritchie was. Aside
from making decent rock music, Rainbow also made a few great pop/rock
songs like I Surrender.
I agree that he's sort of lost the plot, but there are many other "gods"
who have seen better days (e.g. Eric Clapton, Peter Green). I also agree
that those who came after him may well be better, but Ritchie Blackmore
helped to define rock guitar playing and for that we should thank him.
all IMHO of course.
cheers
Andrew_S
> I cannot believe the negativity that i am hearing from a guitar
newsgroup
> re;Blackmore's playing.(although when i see references to TV programmes in
> the criticism it is easier to understand)
To be fair, I think that a lot of people here like his playing, but think
he's a bit "hatstand".
Not sure what your point about the TV programs is. As someone who's been to
dozens of Rainbow/Purple gigs and got all the albums (plus bootlegs etc) I
consider that I'm entitled to an opinion, negative or otherwise. Look at it
this way - save up your hard earned cash for months to go on a trip to see
"the Purps" live Paris (as well as catching the UK tour dates). Spend a
fortune on tickets, hotel rooms etc for this real treat and find that
"Wiggy" can't be arsed to travel the 10 yards from backstage to play his
rhythm guitar parts. See him bickering with Gillan all night. Listen to him
as he can't even be arsed to play his solos properly without throwing his
strat down and walking offstage like some prima ballerina. And see how much
respect you have for him. I know I probably deserve to be treated like
crap - being stupid enough to travel to gig after gig, when at least 1 in 3
are ruined by the childish behaviour of the one Ian Gillan memorably
referred to as "the banjo player".
Doubter, no. Just someone who decided that he'd had enough being treated
like shit by a performer who seems to think rather a lot of himself. I don't
mind Miles Davis playing with his back to me, or Jeff Beck being a bit dark
and moody. I just think that RB isn't quite the talent he thinks he is. As
far as I'm concerned he was a staggering blues/rock player with a beautiful
feel for phrasing and articulation. I like stuff from most of his phases
(until recent times), personal faves would be:
Wring That Neck - Live
All of the original Purple albums, particularly Machine Head and Burn, and I
have a strange affection for his playing on Stormbringer. Oddly enough the
fact that he wasn't really trying too hard (I think he was formulating the
Plan for Rainbow) meant that he played some amazing laid-back funky blues.
Rainbow - All the Dio stuff, "Gates of Babylon" still sends shivers down the
spine. Then reinventing himself as Mr melodic pop/metal was something of a
masterstroke. Down to Earth was great, the JLT stuff less so (only in my
opinion!)
Reformed Purple - some nice stuff, but patchy. Started to go pear-shaped
circa "Slaves and Masters".
As far as the Blackmore's Night stuff goes I just get a bit pissed off with
people blathering on about it being Medieval or Renaissance music. It sounds
very "Olde Worlde Lite" to me. I think Jethro Tull did this sort of thing a
million times better (RB always had an obsession with them, often mentioning
Ian Anderson's professionalism - yet continuing to behave like an arse
himself!). I suppose I find his acoustic playing less interesting than his
electric stuff that's all. Still, if that's what floats your boat great.
Good luck to him, Candice and everyone who enjoys it.
I'm off to listen to the solo in in "Lay Down Stay Down".
>Ritchie Blackmore: God of modern guitar playing, or over-rated lunatic ?.
>
>I'm just interested in your opionions...!
Iv'e always thought he was a great player. Unfortunately, he appears
to be as mad as cheese!
I don't think he is a "modern" guitar player, but I think he has had
an influence on modern guitar players. Some of the DP stuff is
awesome, but I think he is a bit of a twat.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the "Dio" era
Rainbow sessions. A pair together there, I think.
Ian
<fod> the downside is that you inevitably look like a bit of a twat
with a banjo.... and an irresistable urge to have sex with your sister
whilst eating BBQ squirrel
Ritchie was a the king , but he left to pastures new so that ynvie
could have a bash . a;as it was not to be , ynvie still cannot write a
decent tune !
...or even Yngwie?
brilliant musician....
terrible human being.....
More of a King of the Pixies than a God....
Anyone's opinion of RB probably depends on how well they can seperate the
guitar playing from the wanky-ness. I can seperate them if I screw my face
up and really REALLY concentrate on it, but then I just get a headache.
NP - Johnny and the Hurricanes - Red River Rock. Sort of anti-blues, because
it's guaranteed to put a big cheesy grin all over your face.
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try."
Homer Simpson
"Mad As Cheese" - writing that one down, never heard it before...
IMHO he is the only living rock guitarist (except Jeff Beck) who manages to
balance technique and emotional content. Most of 80's players who tried to
copy him missed the point and just copied the handful of neoclassical parts
he played and missed his melodicism and dynamics.
As for his personality, well I understand he does not suffer fools and tends
to avoid music business types and musicians and journalists wherever
possible so probably they have given him a worse reputation than he
deserves. According to people who are close to him he is very loyal to his
friends, funny and very bright.
I suspect there are lots of rock musicians who are just as moody but as
Blackmore doesn't play the music biz game he gets the flak.
Even the CHOHW incident mentioned elsewhere appears to have been blown out
of proportion. He asked that the cameras were not onstage several times
before going onstage but people ignored him. He was late going on because
the rest of band started Highway Star while he was at the toilet. IIRC he
was also in pain from hurting his foot the previous night and in bad mood
because of that.
I like Blackmore's Night musically although I could live without the
Blackadder imagery and schoolgirl romance lyrics. They are very enjoyable
live and Blackmore plays better than ever.
Regards
Andrew
I've heard it and its utter shite.
> Richie,in my opinion, has had more of an influence than many others who
>are more frequently mentioned.
I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment on that.
I very much like the style of all but his latest stuff.
Doesn't stop him behaving like a twat though.
Ian Paice must at least be a demi-god.
Cheers,
Steve W
You know, one good reason is enough, lots of reasons starts to sound like a
string of excuses ... plus, as we've heard first hand from a dedicated fan,
the unprofessional / disrespectful behaviour was not limited to the odd
occasion.
Steve W
>
>Is this the "Live Between the Eyes" video ?. I watched this so much when I
>was a kid, that its allmost black and white now. I'd kill for a Dio era
>live video...
>
I've got one (somewhere), was broadcast on WDR Rockpalast
(www.rockpalast.de) on analogue satellite (Astra) a few months back.
They also showed an excellent Purple reunion gig on New Years Day (at
about 5am!). The Dio Rainbow vid was not as good as you might think,
sound was a bit week, but then it was recorded about 25 years ago.
Daz
As for his attitude, well yes I suppose he is a bit of a wanker, but then
again he isn't a child porn perv or a smack head so at least we can be
grateful for that.
Ian
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>>Ritchie Blackmore: God of modern guitar playing, or over-rated lunatic ?.
>>
>>I'm just interested in your opionions...!
His peak was at the 1979 gig which I attended at the Rainbow Theatre.
He's the only guy I've ever seen throw his guitar 20 ft into the air,
spinning, and catch it and continue an amazing solo without missing a
beat. He's also the only guy who can climb a scaffolding while playing
a solo, never missing a beat.
Apart from his extreme finess in the field of pregressive rock
soloing, I have always loved the medieval influence that was seems to
be his hallmark.
To me, his guitar playing classes amongst the highest of the realm.
ALan
Hi Séan
Whenever somebody asks this sort of question I just think of Jimi
Hendrix and laugh loudly at the whole idea. Who came first? The phrase
"standing on the backs of giants" comes to mind. Jimi Hendrix was very
humble about his playing. He was very aware of his influences, and he worked
very hard at his music. In fifty years time who will be remembered for
advancing technique and musicality on the guitar in rock more ?
Alex
Ian
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I think it was a clever piece of business by Blackmore to invent Blackmores
night.
When heavy rock crumbled into the dust at the end of the 80's, he saw it
coming and created a new niche for himself, while others tried to hang on
like with desperation to something that was beyond it's sell by date.
Ian
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
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"Mad as a cut snake"
A well-used Antipodean epithet.
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According to Noel Redding he was...
Just checked his official website...he hasn't exactly moved on has he?
It's 2003 for fcuk's sake! I've always wondered about folks who like
to dress up in medieval gear & re-enact battles.....looks like Ritchie
hangs out with these types full time. Oh dear.
Hi - the autopsy report found no signs of heroin addiction.
Alex
Actually to be exact, according to Redding he 'used it'.
> But he was still a smack head
which would affect his musical importance how, exactly?
like i'm sure blackmore never touched narcotics in his life.
m.
But at least you can trust a fairy dancer not to rob your house when you go
out.
And anyway I don't know what all the fuss is about, Blackmore has confessed
to Jimi being one of his all time heroes. But does it make him less of a
musician. And I think he has had as much influence on Rock guitar as Jimi
did anyway, just as Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck have. at the end of the day,
it's all down to personal taste isn't it.
Ian
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Well thanks for all your contributions, its made interesting reading. To be
honest I was a huge Blackmore/Rainbow fan in the Dio era, but everything
after that (esp with Graham Bonnet), I found truly horrifying, although
Blackmore himself could still be stunning. I listened to Catch the Rainbow,
from Rainbow on Stage last night for the first time in ages, totally blew me
away.
As for Blackmore's Night, hmm... bit iffy, but his missus is quite nice !.
On a side note, has anyone noticed that Joe Lyn Turner is the spiting image
of Sylvester Stalone in the "Live Betwen the Eyes" video. Scary !.
> "Andrew Stelmasiak" wrote :
> >
> > In case you haven't seen it, the opening number is Highway Star and
> > "Blackers" doesn't come on stage or even play a note until it's solo time
> > well into the number. Lord is working his b***s of to generate some energy
> > then come solo time Blackmore swans out from behind his stacks and starts
> to
> > play. Half way through his solo he stops, walks across the stage, picks up
> a
> > jug of water and throws it at a cameraman, finishes his solo and
> disappears
> > behind his equipment again.
> >
> > How professional is that? Mental more like.
I was at that gig. He was a twat almost from start to finish, played
reasonably OK for the last third or so but as you say Jon Lord was playing
out of his skin to fill in the gaps. There was some half arsed story about
there being a fault on the guitar that came up as they were about to go on
but it sounded iffy even at the time. Blackmore has a thing about cameras
not getting too close and supposedly the deal was there wouldn't be one at
that side of the stage so when he saw one he did the water trick,
apparently some of it went over Gillan's wife in the wings so you can bet
he wasn't well chuffed. Set a weird atmosphere for the whole night. Band
seemed a lot happier once Steve Morse had settled in as the eventual full
time replacement in 95.
I remember classical music being played by instrumental electric
guitar bands in the early sixties. The only one that I recall with any
detail was Czardas by Monte, don't know the name of the group that
recorded it. Much later on, but in the same vein, there was Dave
Edmund's high-energy version of Sabre Dance by Khachaturian.
So just how revolutionary was lifting the odd phrase or two to fill
out a solo, which was the only sign of classical influence I ever
noticed?
Great player, allegedly. The whole band didn't turn up when I bought
tickets for them. Quintessence played a long and glorious set. Anyone
remember them?
TonyR
> This thing wot people keep saying about Blackmore being "the first" to
> include classical influences into rock guitar playing, can it really
> be true?
>
> I remember classical music being played by instrumental electric
> guitar bands in the early sixties. The only one that I recall with any
> detail was Czardas by Monte, don't know the name of the group that
> recorded it. Much later on, but in the same vein, there was Dave
> Edmund's high-energy version of Sabre Dance by Khachaturian.
The Nice had a repetoir that consisted of a lot of classical
music including Sebelius' Kerelia Suit and America which featured
Dave O'List on guitar. Procol Harum had already recycled Bach.
>Ritchie Blackmore: God of modern guitar playing, or over-rated lunatic ?.
>
>I'm just interested in your opionions...!
I never really liked them much, particularly that song "Smoky The
Warthog" that people get thrown out of guitar shops for playing.
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>>>> Whenever somebody asks this sort of question I just think of Jimi
>>>> Hendrix and laugh loudly at the whole idea. Who came first? The
> phrase
>>>> "standing on the backs of giants" comes to mind. Jimi Hendrix was
> very
>>>> humble about his playing. He was very aware of his influences, and he
>>>> worked very hard at his music. In fifty years time who will be
> remembered
>>>> for advancing technique and musicality on the guitar in rock more ?
>>
I´d say tony iommi and blackmore are the 2 main reasons I started playing
guitar. Not Hendrix. He may have been inspired by him, but that´s evolution.
Rock Guitar playing didn´t stop or atart at Hendrix.
Someone else mention "catch the rainbow" live and the solo in it. Magical.
That was a guy at his peak and playing beautiful stuff.
Anyway, for me he was a god, and for hundreds of thousand of other kids.
I´d also point out that Herr Benz is also remebered for being an innovator
in the late 19th century when he built a Car. Other people took his ideas
and developed them in various directions. Maybe jimi was a creator, but who
was he listening to????
I bet he liked wes montgomery. Does that mean that WES is the real
innovator??
Hi
Yes - Eddy Laing, Charlie Christian, Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery,
Grant Green, George Benson, and Curtis Mayfield just as examples among
many, many others. But in rock guitar, if you listen to what came before
Hendrix, and then find his best work ( mainly his official albums, plus
things like "Cry of Love" - his last stuff ) you will realise he advanced
things almost in the same way the "hard bop" players of trumpet and sax like
Dizzie Gillespie and Charlie Parker did briefly with jazz as what was the
main "pop" music in the 1940's and early 50's. Of course that's just my
view - maybe because it was Jimi Hendrix I was copying note for note when I
got serious about guitar.
So many of what are "the basic ideas" on rock guitar come from Jimi
that we aren't even aware of it. Not forgetting Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley.
But Jimi Hendrix is one who stands out in my eyes, more than any other rock
guitarist, because the change between before and after him is so great.
Alex
he's got my vote
Graze
ps. he's still silly as a wagonload of bumholes
> From: "Séan Connolly" <sean.connollyYOUMIGH...@bigfoot.com>
> Newsgroups: uk.music.guitar
> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:21:55 -0000
> Subject: Blackmore: God or Not ?.
>
> Ritchie Blackmore: God of modern guitar playing, or over-rated lunatic ?.
>
> I'm just interested in your opionions...!
>
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