FA (Ebay) : Jon Swayne Border Pipes in G
bagpie
Apologies for blatant misuse of the newsgroup, but some of you may be
interested.
I have listed my Swayne pipes on ebay - http://tinyurl.com/cytua
bagpie
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>Hi Apologies for blatant misuse of the newsgroup, but some of you may
>be interested. I have listed my Swayne pipes on ebay -
Don't think this is abuse at all, but you'll be lucky at that price
see http://www.bagpipesociety.org.uk/bagmart.htm :))
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"Chris Ryall" <groups2@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> bagpie wrote on "FA (Ebay) : Jon Swayne Border Pipes in G"
>>Hi Apologies for blatant misuse of the newsgroup, but some of you may be
>>interested. I have listed my Swayne pipes on ebay -
>
> Don't think this is abuse at all, but you'll be lucky at that price
>
> see http://www.bagpipesociety.org.uk/bagmart.htm :))
Where it says....
"'D' Border pipes by Jon Swayne.
Boxwood with chanter and drone switches, bellows and case. Immaculate
condition. £1,750. "
Looks like he's underpriced them! :o)
anahata
>> Don't think this is abuse at all, but you'll be lucky at that price
>>
>> see http://www.bagpipesociety.org.uk/bagmart.htm :))
> Where it says....
>
> "'D' Border pipes by Jon Swayne.
> Boxwood with chanter and drone switches, bellows and case. Immaculate
> condition. £1,750. "
>
> Looks like he's underpriced them! :o)
'D' pipes are bigger, which increases the cost. Bellows cost more than
mouth blown. This includes a case, and has chanter and drone switches,
all expensive extras. Boxwood is more than whatever the student pipes
are made with (cherry I think).
Further down that page is a 'G' student set, much more like the one
that's the subject of this thread, for a realistic figure of less than
£500. Student pipes are mouth blown, single drone, no switches.
I don't know what they cost now, but mine were 680 new about four years
ago, and that was with an extra drone. £1000 is indeed over the top for
what's advertised.
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Chris Ryall
>Further down that page is a 'G' student set, much more like the one
>that's the subject of this thread, for a realistic figure of less than
>£500. Student pipes are mouth blown, single drone, no switches.
Nice pic of Don playing a D set (about £2.5k new) on
http://www.pipeshow.net/musee-virtuel-jon-swayne.htm
Follow the links ..
.. border en re
.. border en sol (student is mid page, single drone usually)
Gorgeous things just to hold, and I don't play them.
God bless the London School of Furniture :))
bagpie
> Further down that page is a 'G' student set, much more like the one
> that's the subject of this thread, for a realistic figure of less than
> £500. Student pipes are mouth blown, single drone, no switches.
Hi
These are a full set of Swayne pipes in G. 3 drones, drone switch, plum
wood, imitation ivory mounts, brass ferrules and with bellows - not
student pipes.
The last price list I have is from 1998 and they are listed at £1350
plus £75 for the drone switch. The waiting list then was nearly 2 years
I think.
Stephen Kellett
<groups2@[127.0.0.1]> writes
>bagpie wrote on "FA (Ebay) : Jon Swayne Border Pipes in G"
>>Hi Apologies for blatant misuse of the newsgroup, but some of you may
>>be interested. I have listed my Swayne pipes on ebay -
>
> Don't think this is abuse at all, but you'll be lucky at that price
>
> see http://www.bagpipesociety.org.uk/bagmart.htm :))
No, that is a very fair price. That is a full set (plum wood) with
bellows. The bellows alone cost £250. The waiting time is 2.5 to 3 years
for a full set. A student set made from Cherry, mouth blown, 6 months
waiting is about £500.
Excellent for playing tunes in G maj, G min, G mix, A min, C maj, C
melodic minor and G melodic minor.
Just to skip the waiting list, its well worth it if you want a full set.
Stephen
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Anahata
> anahata wrote:
>
>> Further down that page is a 'G' student set, much more like the one
>> that's the subject of this thread
>
> wood, imitation ivory mounts, brass ferrules and with bellows - not
> student pipes.
Beg pardon, my bad.
I should have re-checked the ebay page before spouting.
One good thing to come out of this discussion: it's prompted me to get
back in touch with Jon about getting my pipes serviced (Ooer, missus!)
and I might start playing them a bit more.
Anahata
Dominic Cronin
wrote:
>Hi
>Apologies for blatant misuse of the newsgroup, but some of you may be
>interested.
>I have listed my Swayne pipes on ebay - http://tinyurl.com/cytua
>bagpie
If you had checked the charter first, you would have found that it's
perfectly acceptable to post this kind of advertisement here.
As you didn't bother to check the charter, I suppose your apology is
appropriate.
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bagpie
> If you had checked the charter first, you would have found that it's
> perfectly acceptable to post this kind of advertisement here.
Yep, I should of checked the charter first... still, it feels a bit
cheeky using this group to advertise something.
bagpie
> One good thing to come out of this discussion: it's prompted me to get
> back in touch with Jon about getting my pipes serviced (Ooer, missus!)
> and I might start playing them a bit more.
That's great. I will miss my pipes very much, but the time has come to
get something in A (G is not much use in the West Highlands). If I
didn't need something sooner I would get another Swayne set.
On another subject... who else makes pipes with the same half closed
fingering? I don't know if I have the time or energy to learn the
highland fingering that the usual border pipes use (I learnt on Jon's
pipes)!
Bagpie
anahata
> On another subject... who else makes pipes with the same half closed
> fingering?
My first thought:
http://www.goodbagpipes.co.uk/english_great_pipe.htm
Says half closed for A chanter - don't know how close it is to Swayne
system.
Stephen Kellett
<bagpie...@gmail.com> writes
>On another subject... who else makes pipes with the same half closed
>fingering?
Dominic Allan. But his pipes are in D. I don't think he does other
pitches.
His D pipes are lovely, skinnier chanter than Jon's, which for me makes
them easier to play. Lovely earthy tone to the drones. 6 months waiting
list last time I asked.
http://www.woodflutes.co.uk
Simon ??????. He had a stall at Blowout and came to the thing in Devon
in March, but I don't know how to contact him. Definitely makes Gs (a
friend has a set, waiting list a lot shorter than Jon's), probably makes
As. When I next see Nic I'll ask him for Simon's email address and send
it to you. Simon ???? is apparently well know in the mediaeval
re-enactment circuit if that gem is any use.
Alternatives:
If you don't mind the French style (bass drone over shoulder, tenor
parallel to chanter) then Frans Hattink (pronounced Hattik) does pipes
in plastic or wood, that are half-closed. A friend has a set in A. Nice
instrument to play. I've heard nice things about the plastic ones he
does too.
http://www.hotpipes.com/frans.html
joli...@chello.nl
I guess in the meantime you could play Scottish smallpipes - some of the
makers will do half-closed for you and you usually get to choose from A,
Bb, C, D. Or even a combination set.
http://www.johnwalshbagpipes.com/sm_pip.html
Alternatively for wood, these seem interesting:
http://www.shawcrosssmallpipes.com/FrameSet.html
If you've got the money, Hamish Moore is your man.
http://www.hamishmoore.musicscotland.com/
As you can see, I've been doing a bit of research recently...
Stephen Kellett
>cheeky using this group to advertise something.
Not really, its not as if you are trying to sell us V14gr4.
Paul Burke
>
> As you can see, I've been doing a bit of research recently...
In which case, you might be able to save me a trip up to Bradford...
what to you think of the Early Music shop smallpipes?
Paul Burke
Stephen Kellett
<pa...@scazon.com> writes
Not a clue. I think the name gives you a strong clue. "Early music" to
me means mediaeval, which means I don't want to go there. Its a
different sound. Its not that I don't like it, its just I don't want an
instrument that sounds like it. I like listening to Goodacre pipes
played by someone else, but not by me. A herd of Goodacre pipes sounds
quite interesting, buts its not my thing. I guess thats how I feel about
the mediaeval re-enactment stuff.
I've never played Scottish Smallpipes, but am interested a bit, which is
why I've been looking. There are many other pipes classed as smallpipes
(Border pipes being one, Northumbrian another, Leicester another...), so
what you get from the Early Music shop may vary greatly from what you
expect from the name. I don't know a thing about E.M.S smallpipes.
My comment on smallpipe makers changing the fingering came from a
discussion with Vicki Swan about a year ago. Bagpipes galore do a cheap
plastic smallpipe.
Plastic is quite in vogue for pipes as it doesn't change much with
temperature or humidity, and thus is much more reliable for our hot one
minute/cold and damp the next climate. I'd prefer wood every time if I
had the money though. Its seems that in America/Canada plastic
(polypenco) for pipes has really taken off, lots of people using it. I
have a plastic Susato low G whistle. Lovely, I like the sound, seems to
play in tune regardless of how lovely/miserable the weather of the day,
which is very different to my pipes behaviour.
bagpie
> I guess in the meantime you could play Scottish smallpipes
Smallpipes are certainly the most forgiving of alternative fingerings.
The fingering I learnt with Jon's pipes seem to work perfectly well on
all smallpipes I have tried. Unfortunately you are restricted to 9 notes
(apart from the keyed variety). They also don't have the punch that
border pipes have.
bagpipe
bagpie
> There are many other pipes classed as smallpipes
> (Border pipes being one, Northumbrian another, Leicester another...)
I don't know anything about Julian's pipes, but Border pipes could never
be classed as small pipes . They are on very different sides of the
conical/cylindrical bore divide.
bagpie
Chris Beeson
Kellett wrote:
> Not really, its not as if you are trying to sell us V14gr4.
Might be handy for small pipes though - oh dear...
Chris Beeson
Stephen Kellett
<bagpie...@gmail.com> writes
>I don't know anything about Julian's pipes, but Border pipes could
>never be classed as small pipes . They are on very different sides of
>the conical/cylindrical bore divide.
I agree with that re: the chanter. I remember seeing a reference
somewhere to them being part of the smallpipe family. Sadly I can't
remember where I saw the reference :-(
Anyway, the point I was making is there are more than one type of
smallpipe. That still stands.
Stephen Kellett
Found the reference I referred to previous post, Google is your friend
(TM).
This page describes the relationship between the various pipes, starting
with Scottish smallpipes,
http://www.nspipes.co.uk/nsp/ww11glos.htm
"Jon Swayne has based his pipes on the Northumbrian half-longs, and
these have extra keys, are chromatic over a much larger range, and come
in a range of sizes and keys.
Northumbrian half-longs are the same as:
Border / Lowland pipes"
I must have read this page years ago and my memory has twisted the text
on this page from "related British pipes" to "related smallpipes". Got
to admit I always thought my Swaynes were not that small...
Still have yet to see any of Jon's pipes with keys on them.
Stephen Kellett
I tried emailing you, but it bounced. Can you email me (and I'll reply)
or should I just put the email on the newsgroup?
bagpie
> Bagpie,
>
> I tried emailing you, but it bounced. Can you email me (and I'll reply)
> or should I just put the email on the newsgroup?
email sent!
bagpie
> Anyway, the point I was making is there are more than one type of
> smallpipe.
There seems to be. I have a Thracian gaida, which could be described as
Bulgarian smallpipes.
I have always wondered though... what do Northumbrian and Leicestershire
big pipes look like? :)
Stephen Kellett
<bagpie...@gmail.com> writes
>There seems to be. I have a Thracian gaida, which could be described as
>Bulgarian smallpipes.
Nice. I've wanted a gaida for some time, but unable to get to Bulgaria
for the past few years. Not been willing to buy one over the 'net. I'd
quite like a Ney Anban (Iranian) and not got one for the same reason
(and I won't go to Iran at the moment, tall - anglo saxon blond hair - I
really do stand out as Western).
>Leicestershire big pipes look like? :)
I've only ever heard one other person mention those. I assume yours is a
joke, the other person was serious.
anahata
> In message <SvrMe.9361$CM....@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, bagpie
> <bagpie...@gmail.com> writes
>
>> There seems to be. I have a Thracian gaida, which could be described
>> as Bulgarian smallpipes.
>
>
> Nice. I've wanted a gaida for some time, but unable to get to Bulgaria
> for the past few years.
If you ever do, the Balkanfolk seminars are recommended. You get to
learn to play anything they've got (I had a go at the gaida, kaval,
gadulka and tapan) and dances from Bulgaria, Romania and Macedonia.
Total information overload, especially if you don't have any Balkan
dance experience but massively good fun. We came back with as many
instruments as we could carry. I'm sorry to say none of them is getting
played as much as it should.
>> Leicestershire big pipes look like? :)
For the benefit of those who don't get this - you can call something a
"smallpipe" without reference to anything from the same region or
otherwise similar to compare it with.
Smallpipes have a cylindical bore, as opposed to a conical bore, in the
chanter. This doesn't seem like a big difference but it is - a
cylindrical bore means the vibrating column of air in the chanter is a
quarter of a wavelength, while in a conical bore it's a half wavelength.
So for the same pitch a smallpipe chanter is only half the length of a
"big pipe" chanter - hence the name. Smallpipes also have a distinctive
"buzzy" sound and tend to be quieter.
Conical bore chanters overblow at an octave, while a cynlindrical bore
chanter overblows to the twelth (octave + fifth) - in practice you can't
get it to overblow usefully (unpredictable and out of tune) which is why
Northumbrian smallpipes have lots of keys to extend their range.
...and that's quite enough boring smalltalk ;-)
Jacey Bedford
<sn...@objmedia.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Plastic is quite in vogue for pipes as it doesn't change much with
>temperature or humidity, and thus is much more reliable for our hot one
>minute/cold and damp the next climate. I'd prefer wood every time if I
>had the money though. Its seems that in America/Canada plastic
>(polypenco) for pipes has really taken off, lots of people using it. I
>have a plastic Susato low G whistle. Lovely, I like the sound, seems to
>play in tune regardless of how lovely/miserable the weather of the day,
>which is very different to my pipes behaviour.
I've just come back from the USA and Canada and the temperature ranged
from 80 to 105 degrees F and the humidity from 34 to 94%. (And I can
tell you that singing in 105 degrees with 94% humidity is a killer.
Between lines you take a deep breath and it's like getting a lung full
of soup!)
And then you go indoors and the air conditioning kicks in and your
glasses steam up...
I've also toured in Canada when the temperature's been down to minus 30
C and the air has been so dry that it sparkled and the snow squeaked and
you hardly dared breathe without a scarf over your nose and mouth
because even your nose hairs and froze and your eyeballs got a thin film
of ice between each blink.
I've been in the USA when there have been late blizzards into April (and
let's not even think about the recent hurricane - it's still too raw to
contemplate).
But the point is that in extremes like that plastic makes a lot of
sense. I like the Susato whistles, (although I love my Copeland brass
ones too) and I've just ordered a Tony Dixon plastic and brass C whistle
on a friend's recommendation. Steve Ritchie, from Tanglefoot, bought a
Tony Dixon plastic and aluminium D whistle on his last tour over here
and it's gone through the summer festival season in Canada impeccably,
heat humidity and air-con notwithstanding.
Jacey
BTW has anyone tried the low Susato whistles with extension keys for
folks like me with small hands? They're on the US website but not
available in Big Whistle or Hobgoblin yet.
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Hobgoblin Music
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>
>BTW has anyone tried the low Susato whistles with extension keys for
>folks like me with small hands? They're on the US website but not
>available in Big Whistle or Hobgoblin yet.
Hi,
Just for the record, we've just had the low D keyed whistles in. See
here:
http://www.hobgoblin.com/cgi-bin/bigpic/bigpic.pl?Code=GR2347K&method=pe
rfect
<A HREF="http://www.hobgoblin.com/cgi-bin/bigpic/bigpic.pl?Code=GR2347K&
method=perfect">Or Click here</A> if your browser will let you!
They're a bit limited as to what you can do with half-tones, slides and
rolls etc, but they are very useful if you really can't reach the notes
on a normal Low D!
Nicola
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Jacey Bedford
<po...@hobgoblin.co.uk> writes
Are they available from the Leeds shop?
Jacey