Chart Commentary 18/12/04
Paul Hyett
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Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
Kylie has to settle for #2 (her 11th, along with 7 #1's).
Robbie pays the penalty for selling 'too many' albums, as he only enters
at #8.
An extraordinary lack of high NE's apart from the above 2 - the next not
being until 3rd Wish at #15. The rest : Maroon 5 #27, Mousse T #28,
Brian Wilson #30, Corrs #31, Ash #33, Paul Holt #35, Beastie Boys #38
Three climbers : Lemar, Gwen Stefani, Uniting Nations.
Albums
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With no significant releases this week, the pack just gets shuffled a
bit : U2 remain at #1, with Robbie #2, Il Divo #3 (who on earth is
buying this?), Kylie #4 & Eminem #5.
Next Week
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Singles
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Band Aid will surely remain at #1, but it's hard to predict which of the
other Xmas crap will do best. I suspect Ronan & Yusuf will be the
highest NE - possibly in the top 5. Cliff's fanbase may carry him into
the top 10, but I can't see anything else certain to reach that high.
In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182, Bo Selecta,
Danien Rice, Electric 6, GLC, Hot Pantz, Morrissey, Skandi Girls &
Zutons.
Albums
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Just more pack-shuffling.
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> Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
Helped by the documentary on Monday, of course, and this week it'll be the
casual Christmas browser picking up a copy for duty's sake at the same time
as they do their present shopping. Wonder what the sales will be.
> Kylie has to settle for #2 (her 11th, along with 7 #1's).
On the album already, of course, but it's had plenty of airplay. Is it just
me that thinks it sounds a touch too much like I Feel Love?
> Robbie pays the penalty for selling 'too many' albums, as he only enters
> at #8.
And the Bridget Jones OST too, of course. It's not a great Robbie single,
though, Stephen Duffy suggesting it was a kind of afterthought at the Radio
session (then again, he also says Radio is the most avant-garde record ever
made by a big name singer, so who knows)
> An extraordinary lack of high NE's apart from the above 2 - the next not
> being until 3rd Wish at #15.
Not a lot of fresh singles about, which would explain that - here's a new
band with commercial radio and phone-in video play (I think this is the band
I first saw captioned as Suede, which was a bit of a shock), so possibly
elevated above their B2K-esque station.
> The rest : Maroon 5 #27, Mousse T #28,
I'd have thought these would have done better - Maroon 5 are well into the
album campaign, of course, but they're still all over radio. I don't quite
understand why Mousse T wasn't just outside the top 10 at least.
> Brian Wilson #30
Was this a limited edition? They've not had a lot of publicity, these
singles, but they've both made a chart impact.
> Corrs #31, Ash #33
A band nobody's really bothered about any more and a band who people like
except for their releases. I see Charlotte Hatherley's got a second single
out in February with a video featuring Simon Pegg, David Walliams, Lucy
Davis and Julia Davis (Nighty Night), so she's at least giving it a go.
> Paul Holt #35
Good news for Simon Cowell, at least. The fact more people knew about the
circumstances surrounding the single, not least through the title, than what
it sounded like (bloody dreadful, obviously) can't have helped.
> Beastie Boys #38
They were touring the UK this week, which didn't seem to do much for this.
Why don't people buy their singles?
Lower down, the Beautiful South at 43, and who saw this coming - a Christmas
release from the Cheeky Girls (50) outdone by Art Brut (49). Talib Kweli is
never going to sell records as he enters at 59, the Ludes - South London,
Poptones, fill in the blanks - are at 68 and someone called Seamus Haji
covers Last Night A DJ Saved My Life at 69. As regards the albums, a lot of
pack-shuffling, with Ronan back up to 6, Katie Melua probably making sure
her new single sells nothing by climbing well, Elvis' Christmas Peace
already up to 41 and only top 75 re-entries from Andrea Bocelli, Cat
Stevens, Rod Stewart and, suggesting a rush for Christmas around Leicester,
Showaddywaddy and Kasabian.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Band Aid will surely remain at #1, but it's hard to predict which of the
> other Xmas crap will do best. I suspect Ronan & Yusuf will be the
> highest NE - possibly in the top 5. Cliff's fanbase may carry him into
> the top 10, but I can't see anything else certain to reach that high.
It's a difficult one to predict, as records that might do well in normal
weeks tend to underachieve and some the best entrants are those we long
know. Don't forget Cliff's last Christmas record missed the top 10
completely, and this is his exciting new direction.
> In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182, Bo Selecta,
> Danien Rice, Electric 6, GLC, Hot Pantz, Morrissey, Skandi Girls &
> Zutons.
As I've said before, I see no point in another Bo Selecta single. GLC should
do well as daytime TV can play it, I'm bored by Electric 6 so others might
be too, Morrissey was live on CD:UK yesterday so his Christmas tour can't be
selling well... the Zutons might make a decent showing, and I'm willing to
bet one of Hot Pantz and the Skandi Girls misses the top 40 completely.
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> > Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
>
> Helped by the documentary on Monday, of course, and this week it'll be the
> casual Christmas browser picking up a copy for duty's sake at the same time
> as they do their present shopping. Wonder what the sales will be.
>
even if they've bought it already.
Under any other circumstances, that would be seen as chart-hyping and it'd get
banned from the charts.
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> In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182, Bo Selecta,
> Danien Rice, Electric 6, GLC, Hot Pantz, Morrissey, Skandi Girls &
> Zutons.
Jamelia, Elton John, Girls Aloud and Lemar are amongst those in the Royal
Variety Performance on Tuesday (on TV on Wednesday), so will doubtless be
plugging their singles, assuming they have them out. That may affect sales,
I guess.
Ian
Paul Hyett
>
>> Kylie has to settle for #2 (her 11th, along with 7 #1's).
>
>On the album already, of course, but it's had plenty of airplay. Is it just
>me that thinks it sounds a touch too much like I Feel Love?
Yes, it's just you. :)
>
>> The rest : Maroon 5 #27, Mousse T #28,
>
>I'd have thought these would have done better - Maroon 5 are well into the
>album campaign, of course, but they're still all over radio.
No matter how much a song is on the radio, it won't sell if too many
people already have the album.
>I don't quite
>understand why Mousse T wasn't just outside the top 10 at least.
The record just wasn't good enough? :)
>
>> Beastie Boys #38
>
>They were touring the UK this week, which didn't seem to do much for this.
It must have done something, since it was outside the top 40 on
midweeks.
>Why don't people buy their singles?
Because they're crap?
>As regards the albums, a lot of
>pack-shuffling, with Ronan back up to 6, Katie Melua probably making sure
>her new single sells nothing by climbing well
Even I didn't know she was releasing another single.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>
>It's a difficult one to predict, as records that might do well in normal
>weeks tend to underachieve and some the best entrants are those we long
>know. Don't forget Cliff's last Christmas record missed the top 10
>completely, and this is his exciting new direction.
>
>> In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182, Bo Selecta,
>> Danien Rice, Electric 6, GLC, Hot Pantz, Morrissey, Skandi Girls &
>> Zutons.
>
>As I've said before, I see no point in another Bo Selecta single. GLC should
>do well as daytime TV can play it
But why would they *want* to? :)
>, I'm bored by Electric 6 so others might
>be too, Morrissey was live on CD:UK yesterday so his Christmas tour can't be
>selling well...
The album sales will undermine it anyway.
> the Zutons might make a decent showing, and I'm willing to
>bet one of Hot Pantz and the Skandi Girls misses the top 40 completely.
>
Lets hope they both do. :)
Paul Hyett
>Singles
>-------
Sales :
Band Aid 288k
Kylie 40k
Ice Cube 16k
>
>Albums
>------
Sales :
U2 179k
Robbie 153k
Il Divo 117k
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Surprisingly high sales for BA20, now officially the biggest selling
single of the year. If sales can hold up for another 2 weeks then it
will probably pass 1m sales...
Robbie
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> Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
hey paul,
I see lots of people are reporting that the X-Factor single is out on the
20th - I thought Simon said he'd be holding off to the 27th but according to
the press it's the 20th. You think they'll dethrone Band Aid 20? abour 10
million viewers....if 0.5% of the viewers buy the single it should be enough
for the top spot surly? I think G4 would have a bvetter chance for
Christmas number 1 but unfortunatly Steve won....can't stand him personally,
think he's a shit singer and an arrogant arsehole - we already have Robbie
Williams, dont need another one...
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> > Kylie has to settle for #2 (her 11th, along with 7 #1's).
>
> On the album already, of course, but it's had plenty of airplay. Is it
just
> me that thinks it sounds a touch too much like I Feel Love?
No, it isn't just you. The lyrics have a certain air of written-to-order
about them too.
> > Robbie pays the penalty for selling 'too many' albums, as he only enters
> > at #8.
>
> And the Bridget Jones OST too, of course. It's not a great Robbie single,
> though, Stephen Duffy suggesting it was a kind of afterthought at the
Radio
> session (then again, he also says Radio is the most avant-garde record
ever
> made by a big name singer, so who knows)
He's the man who wrote the immortal lyric "Kiss me with your mouth", after
all.
> > An extraordinary lack of high NE's apart from the above 2 - the next not
> > being until 3rd Wish at #15.
>
> Not a lot of fresh singles about, which would explain that - here's a new
> band with commercial radio and phone-in video play (I think this is the
band
> I first saw captioned as Suede, which was a bit of a shock), so possibly
> elevated above their B2K-esque station.
Though of course B2K had their moment too. At least I'd heard of P-Diddy
though: I've already forgotten who the rentamouth is on this one.
> > The rest : Maroon 5 #27, Mousse T #28,
>
> I'd have thought these would have done better - Maroon 5 are well into the
> album campaign, of course, but they're still all over radio.
Tell me about it. :-(
I'd imagine that most people either want to kick them in the crotch or
already have the album by now; and I can't believe they appeal much to the
sort of person who buys singles for the B-sides.
Plus this is the sort of jazz-funk that British record buyers are normally
quite resistant to.
>I don't quite
> understand why Mousse T wasn't just outside the top 10 at least.
A sudden outbreak of sanity?
> > Brian Wilson #30
>
> Was this a limited edition? They've not had a lot of publicity, these
Not this time - but 'Wonderful' was.
> singles, but they've both made a chart impact.
Although - as I said last week - the single itself was never going to be a
radio hit, he's had other attention this week, thanks to the documentary.
Plus he got nominated for a couple of Grammies - he might even win one this
time.
Either way, some Wilson fans have been waiting 38 years for this album, so
it's no great surprise that they want to collect everything associated with
it.
> > Corrs #31, Ash #33
>
> A band nobody's really bothered about >any more
It's amazing to recall how big the Corrs were for a while.
>and a band who people like
> except for their releases. I see Charlotte Hatherley's got a second single
> out in February with a video featuring Simon Pegg, David Walliams, Lucy
> Davis and Julia Davis (Nighty Night), so she's at least giving it a go.
Indeed, this is a smaller hit than her own 'Summer', albeit that this is the
third commercial release off the album.
> > Paul Holt #35
>
> Good news for Simon Cowell, at least. The fact more people knew about the
> circumstances surrounding the single, not least through the title, than
what
> it sounded like (bloody dreadful, obviously) can't have helped.
Having heard them both for the first time last night, though, it's hard to
say that he's any less talented than Steve.
> > Beastie Boys #38
>
> They were touring the UK this week, which didn't seem to do much for this.
AIUI they were outside the Top 40 on midweek, so I suppose it did a small
amount.
> Why don't people buy their singles?
Oddly enough, I've been asking myself the opposite question for the last ten
years. ;-)
In this particular case, it's possible that the message of 'An Open Letter
to NYC' didn't mean a lot to people in Huddersfield or Tobermory.
> Lower down, the Beautiful South at 43, and who saw this coming - a
It's a miniscule improvement over 'Let Go With the Flow', which hit 47 in
the equivalent week last year. But otherwise, it's hard to see why they
pitched this into the Christmas market. It's now more than five years since
they managed two consecutive Top 40 hits.
>Christmas
> release from the Cheeky Girls (50) outdone by Art Brut (49).
It probably says more about my life than anything else, but I was slightly
more aware of the Art Brut record. I even heard it once. I'm also slightly
intrigued by the fact that the B-side on the CD is called 'These Animal
Menswe@r'.
>Talib Kweli is never going to sell records as he enters at 59,
If the combined efforts of Kanye West and Mary J Blige can't get him into
the charts, it's not gonna happen.
> are at 68 and someone called Seamus Haji
> covers Last Night A DJ Saved My Life at 69.
A quick Google later, I can report that he's recorded as BBT and was the A&R
responsible for signing 'Rise' by Eddie Amadour:
http://www.4clubbers.net/interviews/seamushaji.htm
A little worrying that somebody who's been a DJ since the mid-1980s can be
considered a "young blood", unless it was a typo.
>As regards the albums, a lot
> Elvis' Christmas Peace
Equalling its peak last year. This time round there's a version with extra
gospel tracks.
> > Next Week
> > ---------
> > Singles
> > -------
>
> It's a difficult one to predict, as records that might do well in normal
> weeks tend to underachieve and some the best entrants are those we long
> know. Don't forget Cliff's last Christmas record missed the top 10
> completely, and this is his exciting new direction.
'Santa's List'? Number 5.
This seems to be his biggest radio hit in some while, though of course
that's relative.
> > In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182, Bo Selecta,
> > Danien Rice, Electric 6, GLC, Hot Pantz, Morrissey, Skandi Girls &
> > Zutons.
>
> As I've said before, I see no point in another Bo Selecta single.
Me neither - but would they bother if they weren't pretty sure?
It's certainly had more than enough publicity.
> by Electric 6 so others might
> be too,
Exactly - and it's been entirely ignored by R1 and XFM. Bizarrely, there
also seems to have been a backlash from Queen fans who think the video is in
poor taste(!). Possibly not Warner Music's wisest investment then.
> selling well... the Zutons might make a decent showing, and I'm willing to
They've been a big priority for their label this year, that's for sure.
> bet one of Hot Pantz and the Skandi Girls misses the top 40 completely.
I presume Hot Pantz aren't actually the people who made Alan Partridge say
"Tsss!"? Either way, I haven't seen their reccord and I have seen the Scandi
Girls one.
Chris
Chris Brown
> -------
> Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
No, but I have noticed that it's being touted as "The fastest-selling single
of 2004", which would seem to imply that it wasn't the fastest seller of the
century,
> Kylie has to settle for #2 (her 11th, along with 7 #1's).
Of course, the only one of those chart-toppers she has a writing credit on
was the smallest seller, so in some ways it's logical that this
Minogue/Shears/Babydaddy composition wasn't going to make the grade.
> Robbie pays the penalty for selling 'too many' albums, as he only enters
> at #8.
And as Simon pointed out, this one's on the Bridget Jones soundtrack too,
thus minimising the number of people who like this song and haven't already
got it.
Still, it's his 21st Top Ten hit as a solo artist (ie including the Kylie
and Nicole duets, but not Take That, One Giant Leap of Band Aid 20), which
is hardly abject failure.
> An extraordinary lack of high NE's apart from the above 2 - the next not
Logical I guess - big hitters would obviously want to release their singles
today (for Christmas) or avoid this month altogether.
> being until 3rd Wish at #15.
They look a bit like Eiffel 65, but sadly don't sound like them. Their
gimmick appears to be that they slip into Spanish at random points in the
song. They've equalled the peak of short-lived Medway Towns R&B act 3rd
Edge, BTW, but still lag behind the Top 10 success of Third World.
>The rest : Maroon 5 #27,
After three Top Tens, that doesn't look to impressive.
>Mousse T #28,
Is it cause he's cool? No, it's because his fifteen minutes ran out some
time ago.
Be warned though, the album's being re-issued next month off the back of
this "success".
> Brian Wilson #30,
One place below 'Wonderful' but I strongly suspect it sold more - and I'm
certain it was bought by more different people. I did my bit by ordering the
7" off the net when I couldn't find it last week, only to be greeted by
half-a-dozen copies in the shop today.
Still, five years ago you'd have got pretty long odds on Brian Wilson having
two solo hit singles in 2004. Twenty-five years ago you'd have got extremely
long odds on him being the last surviving Wilson brother. The SMiLE album -
"BWp SMiLE" as fans call it - has gone gold in the UK already.
>Corrs #31,
Actually their third hit of the year, not that anyone's noticed - even I've
forgotten what the second one was.
> Ash #33,
Hasn't exactly been a barnstorming year for Ash, their Top 5 album
notwithstanding. This is also their third hit of 2004 (their download single
predated the download chart) but has the "honour" of being their
lowest-charting single since 'Kung Fu' in 1995. And this despite repeated
posponements that have put it two months behind the original release date.
Not quite as full-on as you might expect of a song called 'Renegade
Cavalcade' either, though that riff at the start is quite catchy - more so
than the chorus, in fact.
>Paul Holt #35,
Sanctuary is reportedly the most profitable company in the British music
industry, because relatively little of its income derives from record
sales - just as well for them, considering they signed this. It might have
made better financial sense if they'd just given him the fifty grand.
While we're on the subject, of course the big event on the chart show
yesterday, apart from Wes's first interview with McFly since last week, was
the unveiling of the X-Factor winner's record: "the first play anywhere in
the world," as he said, and I'm sure radio stations in Portugal, Canada and
Sierra Leone were really kicking themselves there.
Mrs Brown was under the impression that the premise of X-Factor was to look
for people who weren't talented, and on this evidence it's hard to disagree.
> Beastie Boys #38
Strange position they're in - famous and absolutely adored by critics, but
they don't consistently shift units the way you might expect.
> Albums
> ------
> With no significant releases this week, the pack just gets shuffled a
> bit : U2 remain at #1,
An unprecedented third week atop the LP chart for them.
>Il Divo #3 (who on earth is buying this?),
Not me.
> Next Week
I can say whatever I like here, really. By the time the next chart is
announced, I shall be on a plane, and by the time I get back nobody will
remember whether I was right.
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Band Aid will surely remain at #1, but it's hard to predict which of the
> other Xmas crap will do best. I suspect Ronan & Yusuf will be the
> highest NE - possibly in the top 5.
I think that's a given, and it could even go as high as 2.
>Cliff's fanbase may carry him into
> the top 10, but I can't see anything else certain to reach that high.
Hmm, hard to tell. I'd put him on the fringes of the Top Ten, considering as
well that this is the second single from the album.
> In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182,
Presumably, although 'Down' was hardly a big chart-stormer.
>Bo Selecta,
Might *conceivably* go Top Ten, but I won't OP that.
> Danien Rice,
Watch, as he tries to have a hit that isn't 'Cannonball'.
> GLC,
Top Twenty, I reckon.
> Morrissey,
Woolworth's have put this up as a Top Ten hit, believe it or not.
He's certainly been doing what is, by his standards, a big promotional
campaign - he's even been on Steve Wright In The Afternoon, quite literally
talking.
> Zutons.
Not a big radio smash, but if people connect it with the advert it might get
somewhere. As I said elsewhere in the thread, it'll have a lot of effort
from the record company.
Also 'Just Can't Wait for Saturday' by 100% ft Jennifer John has been
brought forward to this week. The cover says that she was a tutor on "BBC1's
Can't Sing For Shit" or something like that, so maybe she didn't want to
compete with Steve next week.
Personally, I'd love to see Gene end their career with a hit, but the signs
aren't all that positive. Not only has the release been forced back to this
week (or even next week if you believe Amazon) but, with the sort of luck
that typifies the second half of their career, the 7" has been withdrawn
because somebody accidentally lost the plastic it was going to be made out
of.
> Albums
> ------
> Just more pack-shuffling.
Yes. Although Ashanti has an album out this week, it's only sneaking out.
The only other record that stands any chance of going Top 75 is probably KT
Tunstall, and I won't be staggered if that doesn't make it.
The Pogues back catalogue is also re-issued this week, but I don't expect
that to get anywhere.
Chris
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>> Singles
>> -------
>> Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
>
> No, but I have noticed that it's being touted as "The fastest-selling
> single
> of 2004", which would seem to imply that it wasn't the fastest seller of
> the
> century,
I think Will Young's Everygreen got that honour
Paul Hyett
>
>hey paul,
>
>I see lots of people are reporting that the X-Factor single is out on the
>20th - I thought Simon said he'd be holding off to the 27th but according to
>the press it's the 20th. You think they'll dethrone Band Aid 20?
No.
> abour 10
>million viewers....if 0.5% of the viewers buy the single it should be enough
>for the top spot surly?
How many will even have heard it? I doubt it'll get saturation airplay,
and it's only a weak Phil Collins cover anyway.
> I think G4 would have a bvetter chance for
>Christmas number 1 but unfortunatly Steve won.
Neither can be Xmas #1 - this Sunday's chart chart-topper will have that
honour.
>...can't stand him personally,
>think he's a shit singer and an arrogant arsehole
I'm happy to say I've never watched X-Factor, Pop Idol, or any other
talent(less) show.
Paul Hyett
>
>Paul Hyett wrote:
>> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Paul Hyett wrote :
>> >Singles
>> >-------
>> Sales :
>>
>> Band Aid 288k
>> Kylie 40k
>> Ice Cube 16k
>> >
>> >Albums
>> >------
>> Sales :
>>
>> U2 179k
>> Robbie 153k
>> Il Divo 117k
>
>single of the year. If sales can hold up for another 2 weeks then it
>will probably pass 1m sales...
Well, two weeks are all it has left, anyway. Once we hit Dec 26th it
should drop like the brick that it is.
Paul Hyett
>
>> > The rest : Maroon 5 #27, Mousse T #28,
>>
>> I'd have thought these would have done better - Maroon 5 are well into the
>> album campaign, of course, but they're still all over radio.
>
>Tell me about it. :-(
>I'd imagine that most people either want to kick them in the crotch or
>already have the album by now
I'd have thought that about Robbie's Greatest Hits too, but it still
sees to be selling strongly.
Of course, Robbie fans will already have bought it, then also get it for
Xmas from well-meaning relatives - so expect to see lots of copies of it
in 2nd hand record shops soon after...
>
>> > Beastie Boys #38
>>
>> They were touring the UK this week, which didn't seem to do much for this.
>
>AIUI they were outside the Top 40 on midweek, so I suppose it did a small
>amount.
That's what I said, too.
>
>> Why don't people buy their singles?
>
>Oddly enough, I've been asking myself the opposite question for the last ten
>years. ;-)
Grin.
>
>>Christmas
>> release from the Cheeky Girls (50) outdone by Art Brut (49).
>
>It probably says more about my life than anything else, but I was slightly
>more aware of the Art Brut record. I even heard it once. I'm also slightly
>intrigued by the fact that the B-side on the CD is called 'These Animal
>Menswe@r'.
Personally, I thought the Cheeky Girls single was quite a decent cover
of Sabrina's 'Boys' (even if Sabrina had more meat in a couple of places
than Monica & Gabriella have on their entire bodies)... :)
>
>> > Next Week
>> > ---------
>
>> selling well... the Zutons might make a decent showing
I like that one.
Paul Hyett
>
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>> Singles
>> -------
>> Band Aid #1 again, to no-one's surprise.
>
>No, but I have noticed that it's being touted as "The fastest-selling single
>of 2004"
Not much of an achievement.
>, which would seem to imply that it wasn't the fastest seller of the
>century,
Which it isn't - hasn't sold anywhere remotely near Will Young's debut
single, for example.
>
>> Kylie has to settle for #2 (her 11th, along with 7 #1's).
>
>Of course, the only one of those chart-toppers she has a writing credit on
>was the smallest seller, so in some ways it's logical that this
>Minogue/Shears/Babydaddy composition wasn't going to make the grade.
In normal circumstances it would have, especially if it had been
released two weeks *before* the album (as normal), rather than 2 weeks
after.
A least she *did* claim the #1 spot on airplay though.
>
>And as Simon pointed out, this one's on the Bridget Jones soundtrack too,
>thus minimising the number of people who like this song and haven't already
>got it.
But how many will that have actually sold? I didn't think multi-artist
albums sold many (apart from the 'NTWICM' & 'Hits' series).
>
>> An extraordinary lack of high NE's apart from the above 2 - the next not
>
>Logical I guess - big hitters would obviously want to release their singles
>today (for Christmas) or avoid this month altogether.
Waiting for a chance at the 1000th.
>
>While we're on the subject, of course the big event on the chart show
>yesterday, apart from Wes's first interview with McFly since last week, was
>the unveiling of the X-Factor winner's record: "the first play anywhere in
>the world," as he said, and I'm sure radio stations in Portugal, Canada and
>Sierra Leone were really kicking themselves there.
Grin.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> With no significant releases this week, the pack just gets shuffled a
>> bit : U2 remain at #1,
>
>An unprecedented third week atop the LP chart for them.
LP chart? :)
>
>>Il Divo #3 (who on earth is buying this?),
>
>Not me.
They only outsold Kylie by 603. :(
>
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Band Aid will surely remain at #1, but it's hard to predict which of the
>> other Xmas crap will do best. I suspect Ronan & Yusuf will be the
>> highest NE - possibly in the top 5.
>
>I think that's a given, and it could even go as high as 2.
I wonder if it'll be banned in America... :)
>
>>Cliff's fanbase may carry him into
>> the top 10, but I can't see anything else certain to reach that high.
>
>Hmm, hard to tell. I'd put him on the fringes of the Top Ten, considering as
>well that this is the second single from the album.
His albums sell zilch nowadays, so have minimal negative effect on sales
of his singles.
>
>> In the top 40 as a whole, I think we'll see : Blink 182,
>
>Presumably, although 'Down' was hardly a big chart-stormer.
But this one has a hot babe in the video... :)
>
>>Bo Selecta,
>
>Might *conceivably* go Top Ten
Even top 200 would be too high.
>
>> Danien Rice,
>
>Watch, as he tries to have a hit that isn't 'Cannonball'.
The title 'Blower's Daughter' sounds intriguing - until you hear the
song...
>
>> Morrissey,
>
>Woolworth's have put this up as a Top Ten hit, believe it or not.
>He's certainly been doing what is, by his standards, a big promotional
>campaign - he's even been on Steve Wright In The Afternoon, quite literally
>talking.
Too many album sales for that, I suspect.
>
>> Zutons.
>
>Not a big radio smash, but if people connect it with the advert it might get
>somewhere.
Which advert?
On the subject of advert songs, I wish they'd release the Lacoste one as
a single - 'It's Over Now' by Natasha Thomas. She has a great voice.
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Just more pack-shuffling.
>
>Yes. Although Ashanti has an album out this week, it's only sneaking out.
It should pick up in the new year though - her new single 'Only You' is
pretty reasonable.
On the subject of forthcoming singles, I really like Stonebridge's 'Take
Me Away', and that's even *without* how good Therese looks in the video!
>The only other record that stands any chance of going Top 75 is probably KT
>Tunstall
Who?
Chris Brown
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Chris Brown wrote :
> >
> >> > The rest : Maroon 5 #27, Mousse T #28,
> >>
> >> I'd have thought these would have done better - Maroon 5 are well into
the
> >> album campaign, of course, but they're still all over radio.
> >
> >Tell me about it. :-(
> >I'd imagine that most people either want to kick them in the crotch or
> >already have the album by now
>
> I'd have thought that about Robbie's Greatest Hits too, but it still
> sees to be selling strongly.
As indeed is the Maroon 5 album, which I guess slightly disproves my point.
But I don't suppose a (hypothetical) fourth single release from the Robbie
CD would be a huge success.
> Personally, I thought the Cheeky Girls single was quite a decent cover
> of Sabrina's 'Boys' (even if Sabrina had more meat in a couple of places
> than Monica & Gabriella have on their entire bodies)... :)
So it was *that* song then?
I hope they still had a camp bloke shouting "Summertime romance".
> >> > Next Week
> >> > ---------
> >
> >> selling well... the Zutons might make a decent showing
>
> I like that one.
I think it sounds a tiny bit like 'Peggy Sue' slowed down. But in a good
way.
Of course, if it is a hit, it'll be their fifth this year. Not bad from an
almost standing start.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>> I'd have thought that about Robbie's Greatest Hits too, but it still
>> sees to be selling strongly.
>
>As indeed is the Maroon 5 album, which I guess slightly disproves my point.
>But I don't suppose a (hypothetical) fourth single release from the Robbie
>CD would be a huge success.
Are there even 4 new songs on the album?
I know there are only 2 new ones on Kylie's.
>
>> Personally, I thought the Cheeky Girls single was quite a decent cover
>> of Sabrina's 'Boys' (even if Sabrina had more meat in a couple of places
>> than Monica & Gabriella have on their entire bodies)... :)
>
>So it was *that* song then?
Yes.
Robin Carmody
>
> On the subject of advert songs, I wish they'd release the Lacoste one as
> a single - 'It's Over Now' by Natasha Thomas. She has a great voice.
She's actually the sort of mainland European that *even you* would find
politically and culturally sound!
She's from Denmark, as it happens, so presumably "Natasha Thomas" is not her
real name. She seems to be most successful in Germany, however - "It's Over
Now" was quite a hit there earlier this year, and I'm guessing the Lacoste
ad campaign is a pan-European one (am I right in thinking that at least some
of those ads have no dialogue at all, and could therefore be shown
anywhere?).
RC
Fred X
I thought the advert track was called "Let Me Show You (The Way)"? I love the
track as well and I wish I could find it somewhere. The only place I can find
it is embedded in the Lacoste Pink site. :(
Fred X
Paul Hyett
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>>
>> On the subject of advert songs, I wish they'd release the Lacoste one as
>> a single - 'It's Over Now' by Natasha Thomas. She has a great voice.
>
>She's actually the sort of mainland European that *even you* would find
>politically and culturally sound!
I'm not sure what you're implying here...
>
>She's from Denmark, as it happens, so presumably "Natasha Thomas" is not her
>real name.
I know - I looked up her website.
> She seems to be most successful in Germany, however - "It's Over
>Now" was quite a hit there earlier this year, and I'm guessing the Lacoste
>ad campaign is a pan-European one (am I right in thinking that at least some
>of those ads have no dialogue at all, and could therefore be shown
>anywhere?).
Well, she can clearly speak/sing in English, so that would help if it
were ever released here.
Paul Hyett
>
>I thought the advert track was called "Let Me Show You (The Way)"?
Aren't you thinking of Divine Inspiration's hit 'The Way' of early 2003?
Fred X
> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Fred X wrote :
>>
>> I thought the advert track was called "Let Me Show You (The Way)"?
>
> Aren't you thinking of Divine Inspiration's hit 'The Way' of early 2003?
No it's this one
http://www.letssingit.com/natasha-thomas-let-me-show-you-the-way-q1ff4q4.html
I've actually found out it's an album track Save Your Kisses For Me, but with
new lyrics, for some bizarre reason!
Fred X
Chris Brown
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Major ChrisB wrote :
> >
> >hey paul,
> >
> >I see lots of people are reporting that the X-Factor single is out on the
> >20th - I thought Simon said he'd be holding off to the 27th but according
to
> >the press it's the 20th. You think they'll dethrone Band Aid 20?
>
> No.
Probably not.
> > abour 10
> >million viewers....if 0.5% of the viewers buy the single it should be
enough
> >for the top spot surly?
>
> How many will even have heard it? I doubt it'll get saturation airplay,
Well, I'd presume that the aforementioned viewers will have heard him
sing it there. However, the finished record got its first airing a mere
eight days before release.
A 0.5% response might not seem like a lot, but as many previous TV spin-offs
have proved, it's harder than it looks- especially if you're talking about
them all buying it in the first week.
> and it's only a weak Phil Collins cover anyway.
It is indeed, but that in itself may not make any odds (pun not intended):
there's more of a market for weak Phil Collins covers than would seem
logical. This very song was Number 1 less than five years ago, albeit
performed by two more established acts.
> > I think G4 would have a better chance for
> >Christmas number 1 but unfortunately Steve won.
>
> Neither can be Xmas #1 - this Sunday's chart-topper will have that
> honour.
Quite. I presume it was always planned that way - as the series ended on the
11th, they'd never have been able to get either the record out for the 13th.
G4 would at least have the novelty factor on their side. However, I hear
that they're contractually prohibited from releasing a record for the next
three months or something.
> >...can't stand him personally,
> >think he's a shit singer and an arrogant arsehole
>
> I'm happy to say I've never watched X-Factor, Pop Idol, or any other
> talent(less) show.
I haven't even had a TV since before Pop Idol started, although I used to
watch the odd talent show when I was a kid.
There's a good point here, though: it's demonstrable that - for example -
Girls Aloud appeal to people who never saw Popstars The Rivals, or whatever
it was; yet the same doesn't seem to go for, say, Rosie Ribbons (whatever
she was on).
Anyway, I feel qualified to say that he is nothing special as a singer. I
don't know whether he's arrogant - and in some ways that doesn't matter,
because a lot of very obviously arrogant people have become huge stars - but
from that brief interview I heard, he doesn't talk like a pop star. He just
sounds like a builder, and unfortunately he seems to sing like one too.
Chris
Simon Tyers
> > In uk.music.charts on Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Major ChrisB wrote :
> > >
> > >hey paul,
> > >
> > >I see lots of people are reporting that the X-Factor single is out on
the
> > >20th - I thought Simon said he'd be holding off to the 27th but
according
> to
> > >the press it's the 20th. You think they'll dethrone Band Aid 20?
> >
> > No.
>
> Probably not.
No, me neither. I thought I'd said the 20th all along, but never mind.
> > How many will even have heard it? I doubt it'll get saturation airplay,
>
> Well, I'd presume that the aforementioned viewers will have heard him
> sing it there. However, the finished record got its first airing a mere
> eight days before release.
I've not even heard it.
> Quite. I presume it was always planned that way - as the series ended on
the
> 11th, they'd never have been able to get either the record out for the
13th.
> G4 would at least have the novelty factor on their side. However, I hear
> that they're contractually prohibited from releasing a record for the next
> three months or something.
Yeah, I think G4 would have been more likely number ones than Steve, because
at least they have a USP, whereas for a show called The X Factor Steve
appears to have built his popularity on a) humility, which is an odd course
to take, and b) being a club-style singer. Er, you're trying to build
somebody into a long-term prospect here.
> There's a good point here, though: it's demonstrable that - for example -
> Girls Aloud appeal to people who never saw Popstars The Rivals, or
whatever
> it was; yet the same doesn't seem to go for, say, Rosie Ribbons (whatever
> she was on).
Pop Idol. Girls Aloud have broken that whole reality TV band mould, though,
in that nobody refers to them as Popstars winners, like Lemar's never Fame
Academy's Lemar any more, as much as with the songs and production they've
been given as anything, whereas ballad and cover singing Gareth Gates will
always be Gareth From Pop Idol.
Paul Hyett
[re X-Factor winner]
> You think they'll dethrone Band Aid 20?
>>
>> No.
>
>Probably not.
I'd be astonished - at least on week 1, but if it can hang around it
might climb to #1, as sales of Xmas singles drop away
>>
>> How many will even have heard it? I doubt it'll get saturation airplay,
>
>Well, I'd presume that the aforementioned viewers will have heard him
>sing it there. However, the finished record got its first airing a mere
>eight days before release.
>A 0.5% response might not seem like a lot, but as many previous TV spin-offs
>have proved, it's harder than it looks- especially if you're talking about
>them all buying it in the first week.
Lets hope they do, then it won't hang around long.
>
>> and it's only a weak Phil Collins cover anyway.
>
>It is indeed, but that in itself may not make any odds (pun not intended):
>there's more of a market for weak Phil Collins covers than would seem
>logical. This very song was Number 1 less than five years ago, albeit
>performed by two more established acts.
Something else I missed, thankfully. :)
>>
>> Neither can be Xmas #1 - this Sunday's chart-topper will have that
>> honour.
>
>Quite. I presume it was always planned that way - as the series ended on the
>11th, they'd never have been able to get either the record out for the 13th.
Would have made no difference anyway, with Band Aid around.
>G4 would at least have the novelty factor on their side. However, I hear
>that they're contractually prohibited from releasing a record for the next
>three months or something.
Odd.
>
>I haven't even had a TV since before Pop Idol started, although I used to
>watch the odd talent show when I was a kid.
>There's a good point here, though: it's demonstrable that - for example -
>Girls Aloud appeal to people who never saw Popstars The Rivals, or whatever
>it was
It's true I never saw them on that, though their appeal is not
necessarily only because of their singing... :)
Paul Hyett
[re G4]
> I hear
>> that they're contractually prohibited from releasing a record for the next
>> three months or something.
>
>Yeah, I think G4 would have been more likely number ones than Steve
From what I've heard about them, they're more likely to be an albums act
- few MOR acts sell well in the singles markets.
>, because
>at least they have a USP
Huh?
>
>Pop Idol. Girls Aloud have broken that whole reality TV band mould, though,
>in that nobody refers to them as Popstars winners, like Lemar's never Fame
>Academy's Lemar any more, as much as with the songs and production they've
>been given as anything, whereas ballad and cover singing Gareth Gates will
>always be Gareth From Pop Idol.
More likely Gareth who? :)