White Town ...It's Number 1!!!

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Keith Mills

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Jan 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/18/97
to White, Town, No.1, !!!!, Well, done, Jyoti

Jyoti Mishra wrote:
>
> Tim Stainthorpe <t...@maingate.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Here it is then, the mid week chart....
> >
> >White Town are storming ahead at number 1. They are expected to remain
> >there for over 2 weeks, owing to the increased airplay from Monday, and
> >the fact that nothing is coming out that will challenge it.
>
> Ey up! I wouldn't place any bets on that, mate. Both Blur and George
> Michael's new singles are out this week. And they've got pretty large,
> well-established fanbases, unlike me.
> love and kisses,
> Jyoti

I know it's not official yet but on the Chart Show this morning White
Town "Your Woman" entered at N.1!!!

The new Blur and G.Michael singles are out in Ireland already .
The Blur singles comes in a twinpack with a (spot the difference) remix
and new tracks.
The G.Michael sinles has a cracking verson of "I Cant Make You Love me",
but as has been said before it's single number 4.

I reckon White Town number 1 on Sunday for two weeks, then U2!!!

Well done Jyoti

Keith

David Williams

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Jan 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/19/97
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OIndeed it is, Well done Jyoti, now we just see if it can hang on for
another week, I reckon Blur's marketing (& two CD's) may have it.

Bloody good to be there for even a millisecond anyway.

David W. =:-)

Ronan Flood

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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da...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> Indeed it is, Well done Jyoti, now we just see if it can hang on for

FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only
the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else -- exalted company (!),
amongst which you stand tall as "alternative".

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Oliver Duke-Williams

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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In article <5bugt6$5...@calypso.ulcc.ac.uk>,

Ronan Flood <ro...@noc.ulcc.ac.uk> wrote:
>da...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>> Indeed it is, Well done Jyoti, now we just see if it can hang on for
>
>FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only
>the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
>with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else -- exalted company (!),
>amongst which you stand tall as "alternative".

And if Jyoti is still in need of top notch comparisons, apparently this
is Chrysalis' first number one since Chesney Hawkes!

ObCongrats: Well done!

Oliver

Garrett Coakley

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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Thought I'd send in my congrats as well (it'll save on filling up your inbox
as well). Boy, you sounded so nonchalant on Mayo this morning *:)

[and guess what has just started playing on the radio as I type this!]


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Paul Squires

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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On 20 Jan 1997, Oliver Duke-Williams wrote:

> And if Jyoti is still in need of top notch comparisons, apparently this
> is Chrysalis' first number one since Chesney Hawkes!

Yeah, yeah, and what happened to him, eh?

;)
Paul

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Tim Stainthorpe

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
> da...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> > Indeed it is, Well done Jyoti, now we just see if it can hang on for
> FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only
> the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
> with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else -- exalted company (!),
> amongst which you stand tall as "alternative".

The papers are having a field day. The ones i've read so far, The Star, Sun
and the Daily Mail all have articles about it.

The Daily Mail was quite amusing, with it's nerdy cybergeek conotations.
It even said that Jyoti locked himself in his room all day yesterday to
'surf the internet'. Normal day was it :)
The Star, for reasons best known to themseleves, have created a new swear
word, typing biffer as B****r. How the hell can biffer be offensive?
My local tinpot radio have been having a say too. "White Town is an
Asian chap from Derby who never leaves his house".

Anyway, well done Jyoti, what did we tell you!

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Alan L.M. Buxey

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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On 20 Jan 1997 01:14:14 GMT ,Ronan Flood posted the following:

: FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only


: the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
: with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else -- exalted company (!),
: amongst which you stand tall as "alternative".

the same sort of stats that you can read in todays guardian too.... (if
you so wish)
strange, the charts have been done since 1952...and yet this 4 times
occurance has only just occurred within the past year-or-so ..hmmm -
does this tell us about recent music trends?

alan

Rod Begbie

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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In article <5bvptq$3...@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> kc...@central.susx.ac.uk (Alan L.M. Buxey) writes:
>On 20 Jan 1997 01:14:14 GMT ,Ronan Flood posted the following:
>
>: FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only
>: the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
>: with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else -- exalted company (!),
>: amongst which you stand tall as "alternative".
>
>the same sort of stats that you can read in todays guardian too.... (if
>you so wish)

It was a Press Association report. Was on Teletext by 8pm last night, and
was on the front page of The Scotsman this morning. Loved the description
of Jyoti as "a recluse" because he didn't come out to speak the the
doorstepping press.

(I understand that he is in London currently :)

Rod.


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Tim Stainthorpe

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Rod Begbie wrote:
> It was a Press Association report. Was on Teletext by 8pm last night, and
> was on the front page of The Scotsman this morning. Loved the description
> of Jyoti as "a recluse" because he didn't come out to speak the the
> doorstepping press.
> (I understand that he is in London currently :)

London, Derby.

Chris Basford

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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In article, <32E0DE...@iol.ie>, Keith Mills <kei...@iol.ie> writes

>I reckon White Town number 1 on Sunday for two weeks, then U2!!!
>

The U2 single has been postponed until February 10th, according to the
NME. Althougyh I don't know whether it'll be out in Ireland earlier. I
think the new Orb single deserves to go to number 1, its about time
there was a REALLY REALLY good track at number 1, but it'll never
happen.


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Karl Whitney

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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Paul Squires wrote:
> On 20 Jan 1997, Oliver Duke-Williams wrote:
>
> > And if Jyoti is still in need of top notch comparisons, apparently this
> > is Chrysalis' first number one since Chesney Hawkes!
>
> Yeah, yeah, and what happened to him, eh?

Isn't he the lead singer of Kula Shaker now?

Anyway CONGRATULATIONS Jyoti!!!!!!

Karl, Dublin

oasi...@aol.com

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970120093437.31731D-100000@leofric>, Tim
Stainthorpe <t...@coventry.ac.uk> writes:

> biffer

Biffer?

okaaaay...

kyle confused. bower explain.

dougal mckinnon

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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Allsortz wrote:

>
> > On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
> > R1 chart show bod said this is only the fourth debut single (if it
> > is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
> > with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else

> The other debut No.1 single was Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman".

Did the others release half a dozen singles before they got noticed too?

Still, ignoring all the others and pretending it's Jyoti's debut makes
for a better story, although tabloid journalism seems to involve nicking
stuff from his web-site and presenting it as if it were an interview.

Martin Aslett

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Ben Bradshaw wrote:
> Anyone know exactly when Nick Cave's releasing his single?

27th of Jan or the week after I believe (but I could be completely
misleading you there).

> Ben Bradshaw
>
> "I don't believe, in an interventionist God...."

Best opening line of the year so far,

Martin


Allsortz

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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> On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
> > da...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> > > Indeed it is, Well done Jyoti, now we just see if it can hang on for
> > FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only

> > the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
> > with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else -- exalted company (!),
> > amongst which you stand tall as "alternative".

The other debut No.1 single was Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman".

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Tim Stainthorpe

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Chris Basford wrote:
> In article, <32E0DE...@iol.ie>, Keith Mills <kei...@iol.ie> writes
> >I reckon White Town number 1 on Sunday for two weeks, then U2!!!
> The U2 single has been postponed until February 10th, according to the
> NME.

Crap isn't it?

> I think the new Orb single deserves to go to number 1,

Class tune isn't it, probably will go high quite in the charts, although
not 1 IMO. Another one i'm looking forward to is the new 808 state track
with James Dean Bradfields vocal. It is a beatiful song.

> its about time there was a REALLY REALLY good track at number 1, but
> it'll never happen.

It just did.

Martin Aslett

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Stainthorpe wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Chris Basford wrote:
> > In article, <32E0DE...@iol.ie>, Keith Mills <kei...@iol.ie> writes
> > >I reckon White Town number 1 on Sunday for two weeks, then U2!!!
> > The U2 single has been postponed until February 10th, according to the
> > NME.
>
> Crap isn't it?

Yep, but not as crap as the new Bowie single.



> > I think the new Orb single deserves to go to number 1,
>
> Class tune isn't it, probably will go high quite in the charts, although
> not 1 IMO. Another one i'm looking forward to is the new 808 state track
> with James Dean Bradfields vocal. It is a beatiful song.

Both absolute gems. There's some cracking stuff coming out in the next
week or two, what with those two and the new Pavement and Nick Cave
singles.

Cheers,

Martin


Ben Bradshaw

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Martin Aslett wrote:
> Both absolute gems. There's some cracking stuff coming out in the next
> week or two, what with those two and the new Pavement and Nick Cave
> singles.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin

Anyone know exactly when Nick Cave's releasing his single?

Ben Bradshaw

Ronan Flood

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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dougal mckinnon <d.mck...@staffs.ac.uk> wrote:

> Allsortz wrote:
> >
> > > On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
> > > R1 chart show bod said this is only the fourth debut single (if it
> > > is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
> > > with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else
>
> > The other debut No.1 single was Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman".

Oh yeah. I liked that! I withdraw my implication that the previous
three were all crap^H^H^H^H of dubious quality. Mind you I agree
with Radcliffe: "Robson&Jerome: karaoke squaddies from hell" IIRC...

He also made the point that the previous three got up there on the back
of external factors: R&J's TV exposure, Babylon Zoo on some advert,
and Whigfield over the summer hols (Agadoo doo doo anyone :)

A previous post queried why these were all so recent; perhaps it is
being measured from when the current chart pollsters started doing it,
rather than 1956 or whatever it was?

> Did the others release half a dozen singles before they got noticed too?

I thought the 5-year "overnight" success was traditional? :)

Killing Time

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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Once upon a time, in a land far far away David Williams wrote:
: OIndeed it is, Well done Jyoti

Yes, and congratulations on the strangest sounding number one since....
well actually about a month ago given the circumstances...

terry

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Oliver Duke-Williams

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Jan 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/22/97
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970121...@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk>,
Martin Aslett <ma1...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Ben Bradshaw wrote:
>> Anyone know exactly when Nick Cave's releasing his single?
>
>27th of Jan or the week after I believe (but I could be completely
>misleading you there).

It's been moved to Feb 10th, with the album following on March 10th.

Oliver

gyoker

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Jan 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/23/97
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In article <5c0b34$5...@yama.mcc.ac.uk>
elg...@cs6400.mcc.ac.uk (Oliver Duke-Williams) writes:

> >FWIW, congratulations from me too. R1 chart show bod said this is only


> >the fourth debut single (if it is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
> >with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else

.

that "someone else", lest we forget, were the frankly ridiculous
Babylon Zoo

hur hur


Stephen Kennedy

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Jan 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/23/97
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> Jyoti Mishra wrote:
> >
> > Tim Stainthorpe <t...@maingate.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Here it is then, the mid week chart....
> > >
> > >White Town are storming ahead at number 1. They are expected to remain
> > >there for over 2 weeks, owing to the increased airplay from Monday, and
> > >the fact that nothing is coming out that will challenge it.
> >
> > Ey up! I wouldn't place any bets on that, mate. Both Blur and George
> > Michael's new singles are out this week. And they've got pretty large,
> > well-established fanbases, unlike me.

Yeah, but the Blur single is cr*p (relatively speaking).

Anyway, top work Jyoti. A really infectious melody and a wonderful
achievement. I was so excited when I read your name in the newspaper...
Fantastic! Brilliant! [I was strangled at this point]

Steve

[who would have been in sooner, but the Demon news fiasco seems to be
back in full swing :-(]
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gyoker

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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In article
<Pine.HPP.3.95L.97012...@punch.eng.cam.ac.uk>
Ben Bradshaw <db...@eng.cam.ac.uk> writes:

> > Both absolute gems. There's some cracking stuff coming out in the next
> > week or two, what with those two and the new Pavement and Nick Cave
> > singles.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Martin
>

> Anyone know exactly when Nick Cave's releasing his single?

yeah, 10th February.


rhodri

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Stephen Kennedy

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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Ronan Flood wrote:
>
> dougal mckinnon <d.mck...@staffs.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Allsortz wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
> > > > R1 chart show bod said this is only the fourth debut single (if it
> > > > is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
> > > > with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else
> >
> > > The other debut No.1 single was Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman".
>
> Oh yeah. I liked that! I withdraw my implication that the previous
> three were all crap^H^H^H^H of dubious quality. Mind you I agree
> with Radcliffe: "Robson&Jerome: karaoke squaddies from hell" IIRC...

Whigfield was the best of that bunch, IMHO, _and_ she got to number
one on the back of club and radio play rather than an advert for
jeans or a cr*p ITV "drama".

> He also made the point that the previous three got up there on the back
> of external factors: R&J's TV exposure, Babylon Zoo on some advert,
> and Whigfield over the summer hols (Agadoo doo doo anyone :)
>
> A previous post queried why these were all so recent; perhaps it is
> being measured from when the current chart pollsters started doing it,
> rather than 1956 or whatever it was?

Not meaning to belittle Jyoti's achivement - because, after all, going
from "unknown" (to the general public) to number one and star overnight,
without any outside factors (TV/infamy/etc.), just _can't_ be belittled
-
but I think the singles charts are much more reactive these days. It
started in
the late 80s/early 90s, when CD albums took over and bands like
Queen and Iron Maiden started getting number one singles pretty much on
the strength of their fanbase. The singles market has got weaker.

Also, most people who buy singles these days are trendsetters - they buy
in the first week of release (cheaper and more immediate) and, helped
by those new release prices and 2-CD ripoffs, err, packages, a lot of
singles
go straight in at the top and then bomb. The sales are concentrated,
that's
what I'm trying to say. [White Town may be different as by all accounts
its shifted lorry loads of copies, but I bet Tori Amos for instance
didn't
sell many copies of Professional Widow yet she got a week at the top].

> > Did the others release half a dozen singles before they got noticed too?
>
> I thought the 5-year "overnight" success was traditional? :)

Jas Mann had released stuff before, I'm sure.

Steve

Alan Trewartha

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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In article <32E540...@staffs.ac.uk>, dougal mckinnon

<URL:mailto:d.mck...@staffs.ac.uk> wrote:
> Still, ignoring all the others and pretending it's Jyoti's debut makes
> for a better story

Sorry to be a trainspotter, but most 'chart' compilers mean a debut single to
be a the first single that gets into the charts. This is the criterion that
the Guiness book of British hit Singles uses IIRC. Of course the chart has
changed in scope (1-30 some years, 1-75 some) but that's what I would take it
to mean.

Either way, the world seems to be going MY way at last. Hurrahs all round and
getting up at 7 o'clock from now on.

Now if I can only arrange for that lawn-mower/ocean-colour-scene accident...

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Stephen Kennedy

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Jan 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/24/97
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Chris Basford wrote:
> The U2 single has been postponed until February 10th, according to the
> NME. Althougyh I don't know whether it'll be out in Ireland earlier. I
> think the new Orb single deserves to go to number 1, its about time

> there was a REALLY REALLY good track at number 1, but it'll never
> happen.

The Orb in top-track shocker?? Wow, can't wait to hear it... Hot on the
heels of a pretty good Shamen album, too... Must be something in the
water!

Simon Greenwood

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Jan 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/25/97
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> > I thought the 5-year "overnight" success was traditional? :)
>
> Jas Mann had released stuff before, I'm sure.

Yup - he was in a Brummie band called the Sandkings who had an entire
set of songs that were basically about shagging. He was a prat then as
well.

Simon
(there is no escape from history)
.

Adie

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Jan 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/25/97
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dougal mckinnon wibbled the following :

>Allsortz wrote:
>>
>> > On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
>> > R1 chart show bod said this is only the fourth debut single (if it
>> > is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
>> > with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else
>
>> The other debut No.1 single was Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman".
>
>Did the others release half a dozen singles before they got noticed too?

It wasn't the fourth debut single, it was the fourth single to go
straight into the charts without the band/artist having a hit before.

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Ant Chapman

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Jan 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/25/97
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In article <1b6ba...@gwead.wales.com>, Dafydd Tomos <daf...@wales.com>
writes
>Never mind, he's into punk-metal at the moment.

Does the word "Oxymoron" spring to mind?

Ant Chapman
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Tell you what's the least I can do,
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Stephen Kennedy

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Jan 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/26/97
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Dafydd Tomos wrote:
> [news delayed by Demon]

Same here guv.

> I really love `Give me some pain®' (probably like it
> better than `Your woman'). It's especially cool with
> some of its samples taken from Future Music cover CD
> circa 1995.

Hadn't noticed, and not only do I too really like "Give Me Some Pain"
but I once made a track almost entirely from FM samples :-) (Damn
fine it was too |-))

Tim Stainthorpe

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Jan 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/26/97
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In article <01bc0714$64370900$91297dc2@jmzzavta>, Karl Whitney
<aml...@iol.ie> uttered some gubbins:

>Paul Squires wrote:
>> On 20 Jan 1997, Oliver Duke-Williams wrote:
>> > And if Jyoti is still in need of top notch comparisons, apparently this
>> > is Chrysalis' first number one since Chesney Hawkes!
>> Yeah, yeah, and what happened to him, eh?
>Isn't he the lead singer of Kula Shaker now?

No, that's Mark Owen.
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Rod Begbie

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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In article <KOQg1MAr...@scooter.demon.co.uk> Adie <Ad...@scooter.demon.co.uk> writes:
>dougal mckinnon wibbled the following :
>>Allsortz wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 20 Jan 1997, Ronan Flood wrote:
>>> > R1 chart show bod said this is only the fourth debut single (if it
>>> > is debut?) to go straight in at #1, along
>>> > with Robson&Jerome, Whigfield, and er someone else
>>
>>> The other debut No.1 single was Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman".
>>
>>Did the others release half a dozen singles before they got noticed too?
>
>It wasn't the fourth debut single, it was the fourth single to go
>straight into the charts without the band/artist having a hit before.

The key word is "uncharted". Babylon Zoo had never had a single in the UK
hit parade prior to Spaceman.

(And I don't recall them having one since, though they probably released
one which rocketed straight in around Number 35 :)

Rod.


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Rhodri

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Jan 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/27/97
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Stephen Kennedy <st...@kalika.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Did the others release half a dozen singles before they got noticed too?
> >

> > I thought the 5-year "overnight" success was traditional? :)
>
> Jas Mann had released stuff before, I'm sure.

Too right, he'd been in some dreadful Birmingham based indie band in the
late 80s/early 90s, but I'm kicking myself cos I can't remember the
name.... was it "The Sandkings"??? I think so..

I note with interest that Babylon Zoo weren't launched with a trumpeted
"EX SANDKINGS", ha ha.

And of course Whigfield was in The Shits, Grantham based grebo rockers.

--
Rhodri

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Alan L.M. Buxey

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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:22:49 GMT ,Rod Begbie posted the following:

: (And I don't recall them having one since, though they probably released


: one which rocketed straight in around Number 35 :)

The Boy With The X-Ray eyes... the title track of their album went a
little bit higher than that ;-)

Alan

Ant Chapman

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In article <d9487...@gwead.wales.com>, Dafydd Tomos <daf...@wales.com>
writes

>> Does the word "Oxymoron" spring to mind?
>
>No.

oooooh.... care to explain your indignance? :-)

My point is - "Punk" and "Metal" are incompatible concepts... what do
you think?

H M Lehrach

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Jan 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/31/97
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Ant Chapman (a...@achap.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <d9487...@gwead.wales.com>, Dafydd Tomos <daf...@wales.com>

: writes
: >> Does the word "Oxymoron" spring to mind?
: >
: >No.

: oooooh.... care to explain your indignance? :-)

: My point is - "Punk" and "Metal" are incompatible concepts... what do
: you think?

Ethically perhaps, but (for example) someone like Nirvana could easily be
described as Punk-Metal musically (even the attitude).
Also some of the punk bands around in the states (Pennywise?) are very
metal influenced...

Ant Chapman

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Feb 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/1/97
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In article <5ct59m$k...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, H M Lehrach
<H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> writes

>Ethically perhaps, but (for example) someone like Nirvana could easily be
>described as Punk-Metal musically (even the attitude).

I think Mr. Cobain would roll in his grave at the thought of nirvana
being "Metal"

>Also some of the punk bands around in the states (Pennywise?) are very
>metal influenced...

Exactly... Punk used to be about open-mindedness and innovation. Most
Epitaph / FatWreckords bands sound like Iron Maiden on speed to me...
soooo conservative.

Just my opinions, of course

Ant Chapman

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Feb 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/2/97
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In article <1edfc...@gwead.wales.com>, Dafydd Tomos <daf...@wales.com>
writes
>What I would say from my own experience is that `punk'
>is more of an attitude than a style of music, and that
>`metal' describes a style of music rather than an
>attitude (or way of life).

Yeah... that's the angle I'm coming from... just you put it much more
succinctly than I :-)

H M Lehrach

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Ant Chapman (a...@achap.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <5ct59m$k...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, H M Lehrach

: <H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> writes
: >Ethically perhaps, but (for example) someone like Nirvana could easily be
: >described as Punk-Metal musically (even the attitude).

: I think Mr. Cobain would roll in his grave at the thought of nirvana
: being "Metal"

I very much doubt he would. He himself said he'd often wondered what the
beatles mixed with Black Sabbath would sound like. He made another
reference to Nirvana being like someband being savaged by Black Sabbath
(or am I getting confused now?).
I would certainly describe BS as metal...

H M Lehrach

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Feb 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/3/97
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Ant Chapman (a...@achap.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: Exactly... Punk used to be about open-mindedness and innovation. Most


: Epitaph / FatWreckords bands sound like Iron Maiden on speed to me...
: soooo conservative.

I don't personally like Epitath etc bands...
I was just stating that the 'Punk-Metal' genre exists and is in this day
and age no longer an incompatible idea.

Ant Chapman

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Feb 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/4/97
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In article <5d51aa$r...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, H M Lehrach
<H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> writes

>I would certainly describe BS as metal...

AFAIK Black Sabbath were the band that the term "Heavy Metal" was first
used to describe.

They were the innovators... I *love* the Master Of Reality and Paranoid
albums. Black Sabbath was on some otha shit! :-)

BUT... think of what followed : Judas Priest, Saxon, Tigertailz,
Thunder, DEF FUCKING LEPPARD, *STRYPER*, **MANOWAR**.... need I say any
more?

Again... just my opinions, of course

H M Lehrach

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Ant Chapman (a...@achap.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <5d51aa$r...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, H M Lehrach
: >I would certainly describe BS as metal...

: AFAIK Black Sabbath were the band that the term "Heavy Metal" was first
: used to describe.
: They were the innovators... I *love* the Master Of Reality and Paranoid
: albums. Black Sabbath was on some otha shit! :-)
: BUT... think of what followed : Judas Priest, Saxon, Tigertailz,
: Thunder, DEF FUCKING LEPPARD, *STRYPER*, **MANOWAR**.... need I say any
: more? ^^^^^^^^^^^

Manowar are quite funny actually.....but think of what else followed.
Hang on..what am I talking about?

Neal Davies

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Feb 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/5/97
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In article <TANJuEAp...@achap.demon.co.uk>, Ant Chapman
<a...@achap.demon.co.uk> writes

>
>AFAIK Black Sabbath were the band that the term "Heavy Metal" was first
>used to describe.
>
>They were the innovators... I *love* the Master Of Reality and Paranoid
>albums. Black Sabbath was on some otha shit! :-)
>
>BUT... think of what followed : Judas Priest, Saxon, Tigertailz,
>Thunder, DEF FUCKING LEPPARD, *STRYPER*, **MANOWAR**.... need I say any
>more?
>


.. you forgot the " heavy metal thunder " quote from Steppenwolf's
Born to be Wild.

..oh, and Ozzy Ozbourne pissing all over the Alamo wearing a dress...

;-)

--
neal
"..In the search for truth and beauty, we escape from our domain."
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Jim Hanner

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Ant Chapman <a...@achap.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <5d51aa$r...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, H M Lehrach

><H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> writes


>>I would certainly describe BS as metal...
>

>AFAIK Black Sabbath were the band that the term "Heavy Metal" was first
>used to describe.
>
>They were the innovators... I *love* the Master Of Reality and Paranoid
>albums. Black Sabbath was on some otha shit! :-)

...and I saw you "paying homage" to the Sabs onstage in Harlow with
The Inspiral Carpets a couple of years ago ;-)

Oh - It was fucking marvellous, BTW!

Jim

Daniel Livingstone

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Feb 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/5/97
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Ant Chapman wrote:

> AFAIK Black Sabbath were the band that the term "Heavy Metal" was first
> used to describe.

If I remember right from an Arena documentary on Heavy Metal,
the term Heavy Metal was first coined to describe...
The Byrds!!
The term was apparently used by their manager to describe the
sound made by their guitars...

> They were the innovators... I *love* the Master Of Reality and Paranoid
> albums. Black Sabbath was on some otha shit! :-)

Damn straight... Sabotage and Vol 4 are also damn fine albums, featuring Symptom of
the Universe (possibly the first proto-thrash/industrial tune! - tho I could be
wrong), Supernaut and many other fine, fine tracks.



> BUT... think of what followed : Judas Priest, Saxon, Tigertailz,
> Thunder, DEF FUCKING LEPPARD, *STRYPER*, **MANOWAR**.... need I say any
> more?

Ah, but think of the comedy value...

ps what the hell does AFAIK stand for?
--
Daniel Livingstone
http://www.medc.paisley.ac.uk/~daniel/
dan...@medc.paisley.ac.uk
Tel: +44 (0)141 848 3328


Stephen Kennedy

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Ant Chapman wrote:
> >Also some of the punk bands around in the states (Pennywise?) are very
> >metal influenced...
>
> Exactly... Punk used to be about open-mindedness and innovation. Most
> Epitaph / FatWreckords bands sound like Iron Maiden on speed to me...
> soooo conservative.

Funnily enough, Iron Maiden's first album sounds like Iron Maiden on
speed. Hmm... Quite "punky" in _sound_, if not spirit. Still has too
many ghosts, ghouls and virgin-sacrifices on it to be punk though of
course :-)

Oh yes, the point. I don't think "punk metal" is an oxymoron today
because punk is just another genre. The Pistols reunion proved that,
I do believe. Also, a lot (most) of the "attitude" was just posturing
anyway...

Steve
(who fears a revisit to "how punk became hippy" |-))

NP: White Town, still
But go and buy "It's Not Intelligent...It's Not From Detroit...But It's
F**cking 'Avin It" by Liberator DJs it, erm, rocks!

David Peter

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Daniel Livingstone wrote:
>
> Ant Chapman wrote:
>
> > AFAIK Black Sabbath were the band that the term "Heavy Metal" was first
> > used to describe.
>
> If I remember right from an Arena documentary on Heavy Metal,
> the term Heavy Metal was first coined to describe...
> The Byrds!!
> The term was apparently used by their manager to describe the
> sound made by their guitars...
I thought it was from that line in Born To Be Wild (The Troggs?) about
something to do with 'heavy metal thunder'.
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Daniel Livingstone

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R.D. Tunnicliffe wrote:
> David Peter <da...@isltd.insignia.com> wrote:

> >Daniel Livingstone wrote:
> >> the term Heavy Metal was first coined to describe...
> >> The Byrds!!

> >I thought it was from that line in Born To Be Wild (The Troggs?) about


> >something to do with 'heavy metal thunder'.

> Steppenwolf did Born To Be Wild, unless I'm very much mistaken.IPMTI.

Ah, but where did Steppenwolf first hear the term from. B)

R.D. Tunnicliffe

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In article <32F98A...@isltd.insignia.com>,

David Peter <da...@isltd.insignia.com> wrote:
>Daniel Livingstone wrote:
>>
>> If I remember right from an Arena documentary on Heavy Metal,
>> the term Heavy Metal was first coined to describe...
>> The Byrds!!
>> The term was apparently used by their manager to describe the
>> sound made by their guitars...
>I thought it was from that line in Born To Be Wild (The Troggs?) about
>something to do with 'heavy metal thunder'.

Steppenwolf did Born To Be Wild, unless I'm very much mistaken.IPMTI.

--
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no...@netcomuk.co.uk

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I'm not so certain that much of the punk attitude was posturing -
although that statement needs qualifying - for it to hold any substance,
it's necessary to disregard the "cartoon" punk groups such as Gen X, The
Pistols, etc. Beyond these there was an attitude to punk, and not the
destructive crap associated with punk in the 70's media.

Nellie

Ant Chapman

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In article <32f91862...@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>, Jim Hanner
<esc...@netcomuk.co.uk> writes

>Oh - It was fucking marvellous, BTW!

*blush*!

Stephen Kennedy

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Ant Chapman wrote:
> They were the innovators... I *love* the Master Of Reality and Paranoid
> albums. Black Sabbath was on some otha shit! :-)

AFAIC, Paranoid (the song) is pure pop. It's far too intelligent and
self-deprecating to be heavy-mythaf'ckin'-metal :-)

> BUT... think of what followed : Judas Priest, Saxon, Tigertailz,
> Thunder, DEF FUCKING LEPPARD, *STRYPER*, **MANOWAR**.... need I say any
> more?

Personally, I see a fine line between classic hard rock - Motorhead,
Thin Lizzy, Sabbath (not that I know much about them), and (don't laugh)
1970s Status Quo - and "the New Wave of British Metal"/the American
trash that followed. The former seems to be a natural progression of
rock music - same lyrical subject matters, louder guitars - whereas
the latter was a fad. Then of course there are bands like Saxon who
were just crap (saw them once, supporting Motorhead :-))

Steve

David Peter

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You're right. The Troggs did Wild Thing.
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Aya Shibahara

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so what do you consider to be non-"cartoon" punk groups then?
not flaming, just curious.

sungirl
--
"maybe i just want to fly
want to live, don't want to die
maybe i just want to breathe
maybe i just don't believe"

Harry F Doherty

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Feb 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/14/97
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no...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:

>
> Aya Shibahara wrote:
> > so what do you consider to be non-"cartoon" punk groups then?

> The Fall - earliest stuff on Step Forward and Rough Trade ...
Not-ah a cartoon-ah group? and are they punk?

Are the Yummy Fur cartoon? They definatly listen to The Fall and yet...
"some say its a cartoon punk aesthetic, like a paket of cigarettes with
a femur in it" - or somthing along those lines.

A cartoon of a cartoon?- certainly not metal. I suppose they arn't
entirly serious so it doesnt count.

Henry Rollins.

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