Coldplay/Catherine Wheel
juliadavies
thought it was Catherine Wheel! The lead vocals are scarily similar.
I was outraged that a band could get away with being virtually a carbon copy
of another. However, I have since calmed down and quite like Coldplay now!
Mark Durban
I used to listen to them a lot and there is similarity, however I think
Coldplay are attempting to do their own thing which I think is good.
If you listen to the new album, personally I think they have written
completely different styles to each track, some rocky, some piano based with
winding lyrics and some are just pure accoustic guitar with all sorts of
tricks.
I still listen to C/W and still love their stuff too, but I see Coldplay as
a different band making damn good music!
But thats just me : )
Cheers,
Mark
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gas
juliadavies <julia...@ntlworld.com>
| Does anyone know the band Catherine Wheel? When I first heard
| Coldplay I| thought it was Catherine Wheel!
a wiser scribe than meself once said "DEATH TO TRAD ROCK!!"
corporate rock whores, both.
Rod Penguin
news:91qu0s$bb1$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
Why is being a corporate rock whore such a bad thing?
After all if they weren't "corporate", how could I hear them on the radio
and subsequently buy and enjoy their records and gigs?
I don't have a problem with bands wanting to sell a lot of records, more
with what they actually stick on cd in the first place. I mean Coldplay
aren't exactly Westlife, are they.
gas
Rod Penguin <redddp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message |
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| >
| Why is being a corporate rock whore such a bad thing?
it's not! if things like creativity, artistic integrity and innovation mean
nothing to you.
|| After all if they weren't "corporate", how could I hear them on the radio
|| and subsequently buy and enjoy their records and gigs?
urm, there are alternatives to spoon feeding you know!?
|| I don't have a problem with bands wanting to sell a lot of records,
me neither - on merit, not marketing budgets!
|| more| with what they actually stick on cd in the first place.
but who sticks it in the cd? artist or corporate exec?
|| I mean Coldplay| aren't exactly Westlife, are they.
no they're not - westlife are quite honest about being teen trash.
whereas....
Rod Penguin
>
> Rod Penguin <redddp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message |
> news:91qu0s$bb1$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
> | >
> | Why is being a corporate rock whore such a bad thing?
>
> it's not! if things like creativity, artistic integrity and innovation
mean
> nothing to you.
No, they don't. They're meaningless concepts. I just like listening to
music. I don't see creativity and innovation as being very important if the
end result is a load of aural garbage. As for artistic integrity, you mean
you'd like Coldplay more if they sold flexidiscs out of a van? How will
they feed and clothe the wee ones like that?
> || After all if they weren't "corporate", how could I hear them on the
radio
> || and subsequently buy and enjoy their records and gigs?
>
> urm, there are alternatives to spoon feeding you know!?
Er, people do actually listen to a lot of different bands, they don't have
to like them all. I'm waiting with bated breath for your alternatives. And
for god's sake don't talk about "bands" publishing MP3s on the internet.
They are all dreadful.
> || I don't have a problem with bands wanting to sell a lot of records,
>
> me neither - on merit, not marketing budgets!
>
> || more| with what they actually stick on cd in the first place.
>
> but who sticks it in the cd? artist or corporate exec?
Erm, yes. The corporate exec is playing the maraccas in the background.
> || I mean Coldplay| aren't exactly Westlife, are they.
>
> no they're not - westlife are quite honest about being teen trash.
> whereas....
Where does this ill-informed opinion come from? I would guess you made it
up, Mr Sixth Form Indie Snobbery Bollocks. (You should know better at your
age). I read a long interview with Westlife earlier this year, and the
thing that stands out is that they truly believe that because they are one
of the strongest-supported bands in the UK, they are also the best -
musically, creatively, whatever. They certainly do not see themselves as
"teen trash". They are much better than the music you and I like!
You obviously don't like Coldplay or "trad rock" (whatever that is). You
shouldn't care what other people like, and I certainly don't care what you
like. Hey, but other than Coldplay, it might even be the same stuff ....
Paul
Rhodri
> I just like listening to
> music. I don't see creativity and innovation as being very important if the
> end result is a load of aural garbage.
Very true. The percentage of signed acts and non-signed acts churning
out drivel is probably the same, about 90%. But that means a few dozen
major label acts are doing decent work, and a few thousand major label
ones. And at least the non-signed ones can take some risks.
> As for artistic integrity, you mean
> you'd like Coldplay more if they sold flexidiscs out of a van? How will
> they feed and clothe the wee ones like that?
huh? by getting a fucking job, like the rest of us have to. We'd all
love to ponce around all day being artists, and moaning about how tough
it is.
> for god's sake don't talk about "bands" publishing MP3s on the internet.
> They are all dreadful.
don't be ridiculous, you just haven't checked. Of course most of them
are appalling, but there are bound to be some. My pal Toby Slater got
out of his deal with Virgin and now puts out mp3s on his site
(http://www.tobyslater.com) with a voluntary payment system. He doesn't
make any money but at least he's honest, and he's doing stuff as good if
not better than the Radioheads and Coldplays of this world.
> Where does this ill-informed opinion come from? I would guess you made it
> up, Mr Sixth Form Indie Snobbery Bollocks.
look, you're right that Westlife etc have a ludicrously high opinion of
themselves - (although the prize for that has to go to Britney Spears -
i've never seen someone so a) hideous and b) untalented be so indulged
by the people working for her who are so desperate to hang on to their
commissions) and I also think that Coldplay get a disproportionate
amount of vitriol headed their way just because it happened for them so
quickly.
But still.
--
Rhodri ++ rho...@mac.com ++ http://timewasting.net
"I'm having to eat scrambled egg,
with a comb, out of a shoe." (Bill Bailey)
gas
Rod Penguin <redddp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message | >
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<<creativity, artistic integrity and innovation mean nothing to you.>>
|| No, they don't. They're meaningless concepts. I just like listening to
|| music. I don't see creativity and innovation as being very important if
||the| end result is a load of aural garbage.
by that logic i'm surprised you listen to anything other than medieval
choral groups, since everything thereafter suffers from the the input of
supposed 'meaningless concepts'.
|| As for artistic integrity, you mean| you'd like Coldplay more if they
sold
|| flexidiscs out of a van?
hardly! integrity has more to do with creative control & the retention of
freedom of choice. the antithisis of what's allowed when yr maraccas
playing exec is in tow.
|| How will| they feed and clothe the wee ones like || that?
who cares 'bout the lil uns? it's a meritocracy! if they're good enuff -
they'll get paid, otherwise back to the day job. nobody has the god-given
right to sell recs.
<<alternatives to spoon feeding you know!?>>
|| Er, people do actually listen to a lot of different bands, they don't
have
|| to like them all. I'm waiting with bated breath for your alternatives.
natural curiosity drives us beyond the obvious, personally i'd say the
majority of my new tunes are heard thru (in no particular order) :
gilles peterson's worldwide, breezeblock, coldcut's solid steel, one world &
peel on the wireless. then the wire (& their excellent wiretapper series of
freebie cd's) & countless other print press on occasion. also
recommendations from friends, gigs, clubs etc ..... blah, blah, blah
|| And| for god's sake don't talk about "bands" publishing MP3s on the
||internet.| They are all dreadful.
only time i 'use' mp3 is sample downloads on artist sites & napster searches
for acts i've read about elsewhere. the majority are prob dreadful -
depends how & where u search for them!
<<westlife are quite honest about being teen trash> whereas....>>
|| Where does this ill-informed opinion come from? I would guess you
|| made it| up, Mr Sixth Form Indie Snobbery Bollocks. (You should know
||better at your| age).
what!!? i'm expressing long held views on my personal approach to music,
just coz it differs from yr own there's hardly the need to get insulting!
|I read a long interview with Westlife earlier this year, and the
|| thing that stands out is that they truly believe that because they are
one
|| of the strongest-supported bands in the UK, they are also the best -
|| musically, creatively, whatever.
"the public gets what the public wants"
i don't see how one relates to the other - how they view themselves is
irrelevant. after all, hitler thought he was doing a good job!
||They certainly do not see themselves
|| as "teen trash". They are much better than the music you and I like!
so they're serious crooners on a par with frank sinatra et al, eh? bollocks
to that! what kind of nonsense is that second statement?
|| You obviously don't like Coldplay or "trad rock" (whatever that is). You
|| shouldn't care what other people like, and I certainly don't care what
|| you like. Hey, but other than Coldplay, it might even be the same
|| stuff ....
why exactly are you reading an alternative n/g?
isn't there uk.music.jimmy_young just waiting with baited breath for
your firebrand of reactionary middle-england crap?
happy christmas.
x x x
Andrew Gambier
<g_...@nospam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>by that logic i'm surprised you listen to anything other than medieval
>choral groups,
Go Gryphon!
>since everything thereafter suffers from the the input of
>supposed 'meaningless concepts'.
>
yeah and it's crap too.
--
andrew
http://www.mp3.com/thelefthandedgun
Jyoti Mishra
>
>Rod Penguin <redddp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message | >
>news:91qu0s$bb1$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
>
><<creativity, artistic integrity and innovation mean nothing to you.>>
>|| No, they don't. They're meaningless concepts. I just like listening to
>|| music. I don't see creativity and innovation as being very important if
>||the| end result is a load of aural garbage.
>
>by that logic i'm surprised you listen to anything other than medieval
>choral groups, since everything thereafter suffers from the the input of
>supposed 'meaningless concepts'.
<snip heated debate>
Y'know, I agree with you both at the same time. Dayyymn!
I know, I'll pick a fight with Ant.
Ey up, Ant - I hear you're producing the new Kenickie album for free
on account of how you love them so much and cos they're dead fit and,
er, things.
I've been listening to Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard and Willie Nelson
all afternoon so I'm in a very happy mood. I'd recommend the
re-mastered 'At Folsom Prison' and 'At San Quentin' for any Cash
addicts out there.
Mmmm. Gravelly.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<
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Jyoti's Homepages are at: http://www.bzangy.com
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gas
Jyoti Mishra <jy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
| <snip heated debate>
| Y'know, I agree with you both at the same time. Dayyymn!
chicken!!! *cluck cluck*
np = non (only jokin' that is shite!) = n.o.w. "a case of funk"
just threw thatin coz it's so damn funkly!
Rod Penguin
> "gas" <g_...@nospam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Rod Penguin <redddp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message | >
> >news:91qu0s$bb1$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
> >
> ><<creativity, artistic integrity and innovation mean nothing to you.>>
> >|| No, they don't. They're meaningless concepts. I just like listening
to
> >|| music. I don't see creativity and innovation as being very important
if
> >||the| end result is a load of aural garbage.
> >
> >by that logic i'm surprised you listen to anything other than medieval
> >choral groups, since everything thereafter suffers from the the input of
> >supposed 'meaningless concepts'.
> <snip heated debate>
> Y'know, I agree with you both at the same time. Dayyymn!
>
> I know, I'll pick a fight with Ant.
>
> Ey up, Ant - I hear you're producing the new Kenickie album for free
> on account of how you love them so much and cos they're dead fit and,
> er, things.
If only. (The first bit about Kenickie, not the second bit that is).
What are Earl Brutus up to these days?
Rod Penguin
>
> Rod Penguin <redddp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message | >
> news:91qu0s$bb1$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
>
> <<creativity, artistic integrity and innovation mean nothing to you.>>
> || No, they don't. They're meaningless concepts. I just like listening
to
> || music. I don't see creativity and innovation as being very important
if
> ||the| end result is a load of aural garbage.
>
> by that logic i'm surprised you listen to anything other than medieval
> choral groups, since everything thereafter suffers from the the input of
> supposed 'meaningless concepts'.
What I mean is that I don't think about whether an artist is creative or
innovative when I buy their stuff. I would admit most of the stuff I like
is derivative of something else (which I probably dislike), it's all a
matter of taste. Anyway those medieval choral groups are a rip-off from the
monk stuff from the Dark Ages.
> || As for artistic integrity, you mean| you'd like Coldplay more if they
> sold
> || flexidiscs out of a van?
>
> hardly! integrity has more to do with creative control & the retention of
> freedom of choice. the antithisis of what's allowed when yr maraccas
> playing exec is in tow.
>
> || How will| they feed and clothe the wee ones like || that?
> who cares 'bout the lil uns? it's a meritocracy! if they're good enuff -
> they'll get paid, otherwise back to the day job. nobody has the god-given
> right to sell recs.
I was being a little bit sarcastic here .... honest ....
BUT ... aren't Coldplay getting paid at the moment? Does that mean they're
good enough?
(the answers to those 2 questions can only be yes, and maybe - depends who
the yardstick is).
> <<alternatives to spoon feeding you know!?>>
> || Er, people do actually listen to a lot of different bands, they don't
> have
> || to like them all. I'm waiting with bated breath for your alternatives.
>
> natural curiosity drives us beyond the obvious, personally i'd say the
> majority of my new tunes are heard thru (in no particular order) :
> gilles peterson's worldwide, breezeblock, coldcut's solid steel, one world
&
> peel on the wireless. then the wire (& their excellent wiretapper series
of
> freebie cd's) & countless other print press on occasion. also
> recommendations from friends, gigs, clubs etc ..... blah, blah, blah
>
> || And| for god's sake don't talk about "bands" publishing MP3s on the
> ||internet.| They are all dreadful.
>
> only time i 'use' mp3 is sample downloads on artist sites & napster
searches
> for acts i've read about elsewhere. the majority are prob dreadful -
> depends how & where u search for them!
The trouble with all these sources is that there is a lot of dross on them.
Rhodri is probably right, if I was persistent I would probably find the
pearls amongst the shite, but the trouble is I can't be bothered. I do most
of my listening driving to and from work and as a result I am happy to be
spoonfed.
> <<westlife are quite honest about being teen trash> whereas....>>
> || Where does this ill-informed opinion come from? I would guess you
> || made it| up, Mr Sixth Form Indie Snobbery Bollocks. (You should know
> ||better at your| age).
>
> what!!? i'm expressing long held views on my personal approach to music,
> just coz it differs from yr own there's hardly the need to get insulting!
>
> |I read a long interview with Westlife earlier this year, and the
> || thing that stands out is that they truly believe that because they are
> one
> || of the strongest-supported bands in the UK, they are also the best -
> || musically, creatively, whatever.
>
> "the public gets what the public wants"
> i don't see how one relates to the other - how they view themselves is
> irrelevant. after all, hitler thought he was doing a good job!
I only said it cos they're not honest about being teen trash ... and
obviously I am not supporting Westlife, or I wouldn't be here. Westlife are
an easy target but that still doesn't escape the fact that I hate them with
a passion because they are mollifying a whole generation of kids. Pete
Waterman was more honest when he ruled the charts 10 years ago; now there
was someone who knew he was turning out teen trash. He had a very
Thatcherite attitude towards it though, always quoting supply and demand,
not pretending he was at some artistic apex. There was no brass bands
playing and feet starting to pound with him.
I quite like the Coldplay album (although I admit it doesn't help me stay
alert in the car) and I think it is a bit unfair to call them corporate rock
scum. I loved Brothers and Sisters when it came out and I am surprised that
they went on to have a no 1 album but it keeps stuff like Westlife off the
top for a couple of weeks so who's complaining?
I used to see Carter USM a lot in the early 90s, often in half empty rooms
with two men and a dog on a string. To me, that was alternative at the
time. I wouldn't have thought that within three years EMI would throw a
load of cash at them and that they would have a no.1 album. The music
didn't change considerably but how do you grapple with your conscience? (I
have to admit, I thought it was fairly cool at the time). How would you
feel if EMI came along and threw hundreds of thousands of pounds at a
no-sale artist that you like? Hopefully you wouldn't abandon them (unless
they *did* become shite). I don't think Coldplay or Carter changed that
much as a result.
> ||They certainly do not see themselves
> || as "teen trash". They are much better than the music you and I like!
>
> so they're serious crooners on a par with frank sinatra et al, eh?
bollocks
> to that! what kind of nonsense is that second statement?
Yes, it is bollocks and nonsense. It's what they say about themselves, not
what I think. Doh!
> || You obviously don't like Coldplay or "trad rock" (whatever that is).
You
> || shouldn't care what other people like, and I certainly don't care what
> || you like. Hey, but other than Coldplay, it might even be the same
> || stuff ....
>
> why exactly are you reading an alternative n/g?
> isn't there uk.music.jimmy_young just waiting with baited breath for
> your firebrand of reactionary middle-england crap?
I didn't understand this bit. Have I got to slag off Jimmy Young music or
just join the ng? Do you think there are many people talking about latest
news from the Frank and Walters, My Life Story or the Younger Younger 28s to
keep me stimulated and entertained?
BTW the last two bands "had" to split up this year because they were dropped
by It Records and V2 respectively, due to the albums not selling (neither
reached the top 100 on the week of release). MLS were dropped by Parlophone
the year before that. So I don't support labels who throw vast amounts of
cash at some bands, because other bands are always the losers.
> happy christmas.
> x x x
And you. I wasn't really trying to start a fight, although I can see how
"Mr Sixth Form Indie Snobbery Bollocks" can work against this ....
Jyoti Mishra
<snip>
> How would you
>feel if EMI came along and threw hundreds of thousands of pounds at a
>no-sale artist that you like?
Ey up, this sounds vaguely familiar to me...
<fx: the sound of automated money counters)
Hmmm... Being on a major label...
In my bizarre experience, you can't be on a major label and make
artistically uncompromised music. Even if you're dead famous (which I
wasn't), there's always some cloth-eared A&R telling you the kick drum
sound needs more oomph. They don't really think this of course, but
how else can they justify being employed without sticking their oar
in?
So you end up with art made by committee. Not intrinsically a bad
thing since this is what democratic-type bands do anyway. But at least
they're all musicians.
Personally, I don't see why non-musicians should tell musicians how to
make music, Maybe I'm being prejudiced but if they're that fucking
clued-in, why don't they sign themselves and have a string of no. 1s?
It's not even the old joke about buying a dog and then barking
yourself. Major labels buy dogs and then are surprised and annoyed
when they don't miaow.
But major label money is *very* nice. You can sign off, or quit Uni or
finally tell your boss to fuck off. You can buy recording gear that's
actually new. Treat your mates to trips or presents they could never
afford themselves. Maybe have a studio that's bigger than a boxroom.
Create music with a wider set of resources than you ever had before.
Which doesn't automatically mean it's better, just that you've got
more choices in its creation.
So you have two choices. The first is to shut up and take the money
and be resigned to fighting your label over every tiny fucking detail.
You might still make great music (despite the label interference) that
millions of people get the chance to love and hear. But every time you
see *that* cover or hear *that* mix that you hated but the label
pushed through, you wince and die a little inside. But hey, the fans
really love it and don't know how great it could have been... If
only...
The second choice is to take the money, get dropped and then become a
one-hit wonder. Then carry on making music you totally love which will
probably never trouble the charts or radio again. You're insanely
proud of every release but every Christmas your Dad looks at you sadly
and asks you when you're going to have another number one.
Hmmm... mince pie, anyone?
gas
| news:91tggc$t21$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...
| I wasn't really trying to start a fight, although I can see how
| "Mr Sixth Form Indie Snobbery Bollocks" can work against this ....
yep, that was the trigger statement that made me see red - quite unfair.
but, if the truth be told i've enjoyed the jousting and am at a loss as to
why this should carry on ... i'm arguing against yr points which i
fundamentally agree with. essentially, this whole pop/art music debate
could rattle on till the end of time, whilst the core principals remain the
same - it's ALL entirely subjective & considered hot or shite.
i've never even heard the coldplay album - just the singles on the wireless.
i don't hold any particular ill feelings toward them. they're inoffensive &
that's about it. nothing special. something similar will fill their boots
next year, of that we can all be sure.
truce?
Matthew Pimm
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> How would you
>>feel if EMI came along and threw hundreds of thousands of pounds at a
>>no-sale artist that you like?
>
>Ey up, this sounds vaguely familiar to me...
>
><fx: the sound of automated money counters)
It`s funny mentioning EMI and Coldplay but The Next Big Thing (tm)
Starsailor signed to EMI for rumor has it a quarter of a million
pounds. They are also, despite what you read in certain publications
Coldplay clones.
Adios,
Matthew Pimm m.p...@gorkys.freeserve.co.uk
The Lo-Fi Pop Underground - www.gorkys.freeserve.co.uk
Gavin Robinson
>It's not even the old joke about buying a dog and then barking
>yourself. Major labels buy dogs and then are surprised and annoyed
>when they don't miaow.
>
Ah, yes. Dog analogies. I'd just like to add to this by saying that
the way A&R men try to second guess what people want (eg. always
talking about what they think is going to be "in" this year, or which
trend they think is "coming back") and then spending ridiculous
amounts of money on trying to make people buy it anyway (if it's
rammed down your throat you'll like it) is not merely the tail wagging
the dog: the tail is banging the dog's head against a brick wall,
which is rapdily killing it, but whenever it loses consciousness, the
tail bangs it against the wall harder to try and wake it up. These
fuckwits don't necessarily work for major labels either. There are
plenty of small time promoters with the same mentality (many of them
in Camden, strangely enough).
So, er, do you think new grave is going to come back this year? I
reckon Sky Horse are going to be really big and the Stereoponics are
going to be Christmas number 1...
These views are expanded on in "The Stupid Cunt Song" on our CD.
The Psychřtic Reactiřn
Gavin Robinson
Being free of music industry control doesn't automatically make bands
really interesting. One of the depressing things about the internet
and mp3 is that they have just created a platform for lots of bands
who are too bad even to get signed by the most stupid ignorant A&R
men.
It's not fair. I don't care. Yeah, yeah, I don't care...
Jyoti Mishra
<snip>
>These views are expanded on in "The Stupid Cunt Song" on our CD.
I can see you're just pandering to Radio One playlisters with a title
like that...
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Catherine Wheel T-Shirt collection for sale. 6 in all. Only two have been
worn. 1. She's My Friend white with ep black and white photo on front
XL, never worn 2. Ferment black with Ferment cover on front
"FERMENT" across the back. XL, never worn 3. KROQ/Happy Days
Prerelease promo shirt white with "CW Catherine Wheel happy days" on
front, "world famous kroq 106.7 fm" on back XL, never worn 4.
Generic Catherine Wheel shirt from Adam & Eve tour black with cw logo on
front "You're turning black metallic" on back XL, never worn. 5.
Chrome blue, with Chrome cover art on front and back XL, worn a few
times and intentionally washed to look more worn than it is. Cotton
is in like new condition. 6. Texture Mailing List t-shirt light Maroon,
with CW logo on front "text...@majordomo.com" on back worn a few
times Intentionally dyed to be a bit darker than original color.
Cotton is in like new condition. Shirt is often used as a backstage
pass when the band is on tour.
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