NME readers chart rant
Gruf
horse has bolted but here goes, it's friday night and i'm bored and
drinking beer!
Was anyone else massivly dissapointed by the results of the nme
readers poll? The top 50 albums of the year as voted for by the
writers were suprisingly good but you have to wonder if most of the
readers take any notice.
It was a pretty good year for all kinds of music yet somehow the
Manics managed to scoop pratically everything with their most MOR
album yet. Christ, good job none of their fans have heard the Mission
or old Hussey could be set up for life.
Where were Mecury Rev. All the magazines loved it and gave it great
reviews yet the readers didn't even give it a mention.
Was there a proper dance act anywhere in the best of sections?
Buggered if i noticed it. Even in the proper dance section things
were looking dodgy. Guess they don't play much decent dance music in
the indie clubs around Britain.
The whole thing stank of middle class, white boy, floppy fringed
students. I know they probably make up the majority of the readers yet
they don't seem to take much notice of whats reviewed in it.
And what the hell were all those extra bits. Pop personality you'd
most like to be stuck on an island with...Louise...Hah, those student
boys soon drop their "oh so alternative" ideals when it comes to a
shag! Shallow fuckers....Who's brain would you like kept alive for
posterity? Nicky Wire "because he's right about everything"...for
fucks sake. Just because the guy is pretty intelligent he's now right
about everything. Can't people think for themselves any more? Stupid
fucks. You wait, next year it will be the Stereophonics with their oh
so enlightened views. Were they not the band with the anti abortion
viewpoint (apologies if they weren't....no, fuck that, no apologies at
all, why should i apolgise to a bunch of Manics coat riders )? Scary
thing is they were voted 2nd best band!
Bah, call me bitter and twisted but i really expected more. Is it
just that the people who post to uk.music.alternative are older or
weirder or something. The end of year poll here was great (thanks
Jyoti for compiling it).
Oh, and don't even get me started on Melody Maker........
Gareth
MaDkAP CaT
if you really want a laugh, look at the MM writers poll. iuts scary, they rave
about all this great inventive music (with lots of charachter!) all year, and
then they make catatonia's international velvet album of the year. and fatboy
slim's funksoulbrotherythiny single of the year. Murray the Hump and Clinic
were nowhere to be found on these lists. One of their writers said about Los
Amigos Del Beta Bandios: "if theres a better single this year, i'lkl eat mud
out of eavis' wellies." then it was ranked at 40, below all saints a b*witched.
ughh.
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Rhodri
> Bah, call me bitter and twisted but i really expected more.
The trick is to expect nothing and not to care, I guess.
> Is it
> just that the people who post to uk.music.alternative are older or
> weirder or something.
and uglier.
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was saying, "no, Brian". I was kinda disappointed.'
(Beach Boy Bruce, on the lyrical genius of Brian Wilson, 1976)
Jyoti Mishra
>This is a bit late so it's kind of like shutting the door after the
>horse has bolted but here goes, it's friday night and i'm bored and
>drinking beer!
<snip justified rant>
The sad thing is that I know Jody who's the news editor at the NME and
an all-round lovely person. And all the stuff she's into is pretty
much ukma faves.
But....
They know if they put non-schmindie bands on the front cover that the
sales plummet. And you know they're going badly as it is (still better
than the Melody Maker which I believe is now at 30k).
I guess the whole Madchester/Britpop/Schmoasis mainstreaming of indie
changed the goalposts for good. Whereas in the 80s, the average NME
reader would have shot their wad upon seeing a front cover featuring
the bizzarro face of Dave Gedge, nowadays unless it's a chart-friendly
schmindie act, they won't buy.
The NME's rationale is that they put the mainstream stuff on the cover
to entice the ignorant to the real good shit within. But my argument
is that I'm *never* gonna buy anything with the Sterephonics on the
front cover. Never. Not even if there was a 3D pullout of Kraftwerk
playing soggy biscuit.
>Bah, call me bitter and twisted but i really expected more. Is it
>just that the people who post to uk.music.alternative are older or
>weirder or something. The end of year poll here was great (thanks
>Jyoti for compiling it).
Ahhh - that was my other argument. If the NME puts mainstream
schmindie on the front cover, people who are genuinely looking for
different music (especially non-guitar stuff) will look elsewhere.
Like ukma, which is where I get all my new records from (well,
recommendations anyway). The active posters on this ng know huge
amounts about genres of music I know bugger-all about. And they post
the info for *FREE*.
Therefore.....
Why should I buy a music paper which features bands I have *zero*
interest in when I can get better info from people I can trust and it
costs me nowt?
I said all this to Jody and I guess it depressed her. Music fans are,
by definition, into music more than the average person. They're
weirdos. Music geeks. The NME used to be my favourite music geekzine
but now I buy an album buy a band and they turn up on the 'On' pages
six months later...
The NME now is for the average person. The person who has a couple of
Shine compilations and likes the guitarry songs on Radio One and not
the 'dance stuff'. That's not me.
>Oh, and don't even get me started on Melody Maker........
>Gareth
Both Metal Hammer and Kerrang! outsell MM so I don't think it's even
worth worrying about,
love and kisses,
Jyoti
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>The NME used to be my favourite music geekzine but now I buy an album
>buy a band and they turn up on the 'On' pages six months later...
I suspect I'm only still buying NME through sheer force of habit. It's
Wednesday. It's lunchtime. I'm in Smiths. Just something to browse
through and laugh at whilst chomping a sarnie.
Out of all the music magazines out there, the only one I seriously
bother with is Jockey Slut. Pity it's only bi-monthly though.
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John Gibson
far more copies than it does today when All Saints and Robbie Williams
were on the front. Yet they claim that no-one would buy the paper if
there was some fairly unknown act on the front today. Doesn't quite add
up...of course, if they had some more insightful writers and ditched the
dross that emanates from the pens of James Oldham or Johnny Cigarettes I
might be tempted back...
Has the Melody Maker not gone bust yet?
JOHN
D Edwards
Gruf wrote in message <36be6ff2...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
>Who's brain would you like kept alive for
>posterity? Nicky Wire "because he's right about everything"...for
>fucks sake. Just because the guy is pretty intelligent he's now right
>about everything. Can't people think for themselves any more? Stupid
>fucks. You wait, next year it will be the Stereophonics with their oh
>so enlightened views. Were they not the band with the anti abortion
>viewpoint
On that NME programme he talked about why he'd make a better politician than
most politicians, because he was "so intelligent". I agree. Nicky Wire is
indeed pretty intelligent. Here's why:
1) He's found a way of becoming both extremely rich AND critically respected
through peddling overwrought, self-righteous AOR dross with Sixth Form
drivel posturing as lyrics.
2) He's found a way of romanticising the working class and being hailed as a
class hero without ever having done a single day's work in his life.
3) He's found a way of turning a personal loss and tragedy story into a
career boost, a "press angle", a selling point and a form of emotional
blackmail to stop anyone daring to criticise him.
4) He's found of way of making people conveniently forget what he said about
AIDS sufferers...
New Labour could do worse then to give Mr Wire a ring. I hear they're short
of a few top spin doctors.
Stereophonics are depressing. They are the reason why most of the public
still like going to McDonalds, after all that's been said and proved time
and time again. Sigh.
I think it was Symposium who were accused of being anti-abortion or
Pro-Lifers, due to being A Bit Christian (they were former Kensington
choirboys) . Most people with A Bit of God in them tend to shift uneasily in
their seats when the topic of abortion is raised, sadly. But perspective is
needed here. There's world of difference between personally principled
against abortion (i.e. in your own life), and picketing clinics. And
shouting abuse at women who get abortions. And killing doctors.
Don't get me started! Oh, you have.
Dickon
an Anti-Lifer, presumably.
Neil
<dic...@virgin.net> writes
most pop stars, and have actually read a lot of books because they made
them sound interesting (e.g Solanas or Levi) but have found their music
to be boring toss. Where does that leave me?
Neil
Anthony Chapman
Rhodri <rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk> writes
>> Is it
>> just that the people who post to uk.music.alternative are older or
>> weirder or something.
>
and fatter.
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Megan Gay-nes
> I always read the Manic's interviews, found them more intelligent than
> most pop stars, and have actually read a lot of books because they made
> them sound interesting (e.g Solanas or Levi) but have found their music
> to be boring toss. Where does that leave me?
Dunno, what albums have you heard by them? Holy Bible is hardly boring toss.
Megan
Roger King
>Neil wrote:
>> I always read the Manic's interviews, found them more intelligent than
>> most pop stars, and have actually read a lot of books because they made
>> them sound interesting (e.g Solanas or Levi) but have found their music
>> to be boring toss. Where does that leave me?
As an intelligent person with poor taste in music, I would say!
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Neil
<ega...@pacbell.net> writes
>Neil wrote:
>> I always read the Manic's interviews, found them more intelligent than
>> most pop stars, and have actually read a lot of books because they made
>> them sound interesting (e.g Solanas or Levi) but have found their music
>> to be boring toss. Where does that leave me?
>
>Megan
fairly boring music. Vaguely punk, vaguely twenty years out of date.
Excellent lyrics and very disturbing there's no denying but I don't
listen to music just for the words on the whole, particularly if the
tunes leave me cold. If I want something intelligent I'll read a book.
Why do I get a feeling I'm going to get flamed to fuck for writing this?
Oh, and in light relief, anyone got hold of that Ellis Island Sound and
the State River Widening 7 inches? Both brilliant. Can't wait to hear
the Looper album too, the tracks off the website are great. There's
also the Blur album, Godspeed you Black emperor 12, Sir Melenik album,
Bantha Trax 12 and the promise of new Schematic, Skam and MASK 500 all
coming out. I'm going to be skint this month!
Neil
Neil
<ro...@rockstars.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> I always read the Manic's interviews, found them more intelligent than
>>> most pop stars, and have actually read a lot of books because they made
>>> them sound interesting (e.g Solanas or Levi) but have found their music
>>> to be boring toss. Where does that leave me?
>
>
>:-)
>
essentially intellectualised Schmindie gives me good taste ;) Still
horses for courses, one mans meat is anothers poison etc etc blah blah
blah.
What I do object though is the smugness of some Manics fans who seem to
think that liking the band gives them entry into MENSA.
Neil
Jyoti Mishra
>no it's unlistenable toss ;) No strike that, more clever lyrics and
>fairly boring music. Vaguely punk, vaguely twenty years out of date.
>Excellent lyrics and very disturbing there's no denying but I don't
>listen to music just for the words on the whole, particularly if the
>tunes leave me cold. If I want something intelligent I'll read a book.
>Why do I get a feeling I'm going to get flamed to fuck for writing this?
Flamed? Flamed?? I'd give you a medal, mate but you don't go far
enough. The Manics are a bunch of arrogant poe-faced bullies who think
saying they're great all the time *makes* them great. They're not.
They're sixth-form poetry laboured over some of the dodgiest
inaccurate polemics ever. Punks?? Punks?? On fucking SONY!!! Hypocrite
fucking fake revolutionaries making millions for another multinational
corporation. Cunts. And having met JDB in person, I can say he's one
of the most unintelligent, belligerent and ROCK STAR people I've ever
had the misfortune to waste my time talking to. The fucker can't even
wipe his arse without a trio of Sony minders applauding his every cleg
nut.
The Manics/Stereophonics/3 Colours Red/Kula Shaker are the kings of
schmindie rock and nothing more. All shite, all meaningless.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
"I don't want to hear it, all you do is talk about you
I don't want to hear it cos none of it is true
Shut your fucking mouth I don't care what you say" - MT
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Robyn yeah
>schmindie rock and nothing more. All shite, all meaningless.
Sounds like that song by A House.
But true, every word..
Robyn - 'peel your knickers off the floor and put them on once more'
http://come.to/brainfudge
Rhodri
Alan Trewartha
of good stuff about the janet street porters
I've just asked my newsreader to keep that article for ever. Marvellous.
the only reason I bought the beta band 3ep album was because i heard one of the janets slag the
beta's off for not being ambitious enough.
it's a rather fab album of course. i can leave some of the 2nd ep tracks, but 'dry the rain' and
'dr baker' -- compare and contrast with any manics stuff -- i think so.
--
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Roger King
>The Manics are a bunch of arrogant poe-faced bullies who think
>saying they're great all the time *makes* them great. They're not.
Well, I like 'em. So sue me!
;-P
Neil
<al...@no.spam.demon.co.uk> writes
genius, particularly Fatherriver which was like a drum and bass version
of fools gold. For my money The Beta Band are trying that rarest of
tricks - a credible band that sells on word of mouth alone, not press
hype.
Neil
Jyoti Mishra
>In article <36e0015d....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
><jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>The Manics are a bunch of arrogant poe-faced bullies who think
>>saying they're great all the time *makes* them great. They're not.
>
>Well, I like 'em. So sue me!
>
>;-P
Sir, you have a nicer personality and greater sense of humour than
your idols,
J.M. Steers
> Roger King <ro...@rockstars.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <36e0015d....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
> ><jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
> >>The Manics are a bunch of arrogant poe-faced bullies who think
> >>saying they're great all the time *makes* them great. They're not.
And you claim JDB is unintelligent!
> >Well, I like 'em. So sue me!
> >
> >;-P
>
> Sir, you have a nicer personality and greater sense of humour than
> your idols,
And of you have the gift of making this judgement from email. Mind you,
you did make a judgement og JDB by one meeting.
Turn the tables on a one hit wonder and see what you get then.
Big kisses *chortle*
AMM
Anthony Chapman
>of the most unintelligent, belligerent and ROCK STAR people I've ever
>had the misfortune to waste my time talking to. The fucker can't even
>wipe his arse without a trio of Sony minders applauding his every cleg
>nut.
At this juncture, I'd like to invite my brother to re-tell his JDB /
spunky tissues story....... Gary?
:-)
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Greg Eden
rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk (Rhodri). They cleared their throat, and when
they had the full attention of all present, spake thus:
>Jyoti Mishra <jy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> They're sixth-form poetry
>
>and sixth-form music
Hey, there were some quite talented musicians in our sixth-form!
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Chris
> In article <36e0015d....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
> <jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
> >And having met JDB in person, I can say he's one
> >of the most unintelligent, belligerent and ROCK STAR people I've ever
>
> >had the misfortune to waste my time talking to. The fucker can't even
>
> >wipe his arse without a trio of Sony minders applauding his every
> cleg
> >nut.
>
On the European tour, Idlewild aren't even allowed to speak to them in
the corridor, use their lighting except for the first two rows, have to
have their own lighting engineer. So much for being the Socialist band
of the people.
The Manics look and sound dull, and now are proven corporate schmuchers.
Chris
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Hoy, Greg man, I can't see anything filmtitly in your addresses. You
might want to check it.
Simon
Jyoti Mishra
>And of you have the gift of making this judgement from email.
Ummm- nope. This is *USENET* by the way not some Manic-worshippers
private email listserv. Still, nice grip on technology there. Did you
miss the IT lessons then?
>Mind you,
>you did make a judgement og JDB by one meeting.
Are you a close personal friend of his then? Does he do a lot of work
for charidee to offset his crap rock posturing and vapid lyrics? What
would you think of someone who started giving you a political quiz two
seconds after meeting you? Someone's who's done less than fuck-all
politically themselves? Someone who didn't know the difference between
Wilhelm Reich and Valerie Solanas themselves but still liked dropping
the names to sound impressive? How many times do you have to meet a
fuckwit to justify the label? Is there some EC ruling I'm unaware of?
BTW, I met loads of other proper "pop stars" that night. None of whom
were as pampered, spoilt and manufactured corporate punk as JDB.
>Turn the tables on a one hit wonder and see what you get then.
Ummm... I don't know how to put this, but some musicians aren't
totally obsessed with commercial success and being in the NME/MM
every bastard week spouting the same old shite. This is what's known
as alternative music. Have you heard of it? I don't like the major
music industry so I got out as quickly as possible. I was on EMI for
10 months. How long have the Manics been kissing corporate arse on a
major label? Some punks, eh?
What have the Manics got to do with alternative music? Are they on an
independent label? No. Do they make innovative, genre-breaking music.
No. Is their promo budget alone equal to the GDP of a small country?
Yes. Are they the epitomy of manufactured corporate schmindie rock?
Yes.
>Big kisses *chortle*
>AMM
When it comes down to it, you're a Manics fan and I'm not. Fair enough
- music being totally subjective, it's not worth the candle arguing
about what's shit and what's not. What I was arguing about was the way
*some* Manics fans elevate the band into some kind of totemic
revolutionary focus when they're just another major label band. And
the way if you even say you dislike them, you get jumped on as some
blind infidel. Here is my official coming out:
I hate Radiohead
I hate the Manics
I hate Kula Shaker
I hate Reef
I hate Ocean Colour Scene
Sorry about that.
The Manics are no worse and no better than Steps, Billie or Kula
Shaker. If they want to walk that big lefty walk, they should leave
Sony. It's as simple as that. Political action has to start at home,
not with empty sloganeering.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Jyoti Mishra
>On the European tour, Idlewild aren't even allowed to speak to them in
>the corridor, use their lighting except for the first two rows, have to
>have their own lighting engineer. So much for being the Socialist band
>of the people.
>
>The Manics look and sound dull, and now are proven corporate schmuchers.
>
>Chris
Oh the Manics are socialists alright. It's just that they model
themselves on Uncle Joe rather than Cousin Leon....
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Roger King
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> went on for some length about his dislike of the
Manics...
>How long have the Manics been kissing corporate arse on a
>major label? Some punks, eh?
Some people might say that part of the punk ethic is to evoke some kind
of reaction. I put it to you, sir, that you are conclusive proof that
in this respect they have been fairly successful!
Ian Heavens
Roger King <ro...@rockstars.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <36ecc4e9....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
><jy...@dial.pipex.com> went on for some length about his dislike of the
>Manics...
>>How long have the Manics been kissing corporate arse on a
>>major label? Some punks, eh?
>
>Some people might say that part of the punk ethic is to evoke some kind
>of reaction. I put it to you, sir, that you are conclusive proof that
>in this respect they have been fairly successful!
Not this kind of reaction! It's supposed to make small town councils
ban acts because they are rumoured to dismember live animals on stage.
It's supposed to make fat businessmen in suits with mobile phones
and brain damage gasp in horror at Mohicans, tattoos and body piercings.
It's supposed to remind people that not everyone has to behave like
a fucking clone and buy what the NME tells them to buy.
Jyoti's reaction is what all sane people display at the boorish
antics of rock stars with too much money and too much attention paid
to them. This is pop music, it is as superficial and ephemeral
as everything else.
Who are the Manics anyway:-)?
ian, ageing punk and proud (if a bit stiff)
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>>of reaction.
>Not this kind of reaction! It's supposed to make small town councils
>ban acts because they are rumoured to dismember live animals on stage.
Hmmm. To be honest, I'm not sure what's worse... seeking to gain
attention with empty rhetoric or childish sensationalism! To be quite
frank, I'm not the slightest bit interested in the Manics for their
sloganeering or their pseudo intellectualism... I just like the music!
>It's supposed to make fat businessmen in suits with mobile phones
>and brain damage gasp in horror at Mohicans, tattoos and body piercings.
>It's supposed to remind people that not everyone has to behave like
>a fucking clone and buy what the NME tells them to buy.
But surely "punks" with mohicans, tattoos and body piercings are every
bit as guilty of being clones as NME readers or even fat businessmen?
I can't believe that conforming to any stereotype can be in keeping with
the "punk ethic", whatever that may be...
Or maybe I'm just conforming to a stereotype...? :-)
Greg Eden
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The corny reply address should hopefully look like
gregeden@dial_M_FOR_MURDER.pipex.com. If not it's back to the drawing
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Jyoti Mishra
>In article <36ecc4e9....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
><jy...@dial.pipex.com> went on for some length about his dislike of the
>Manics...
>>How long have the Manics been kissing corporate arse on a
>>major label? Some punks, eh?
>
>Some people might say that part of the punk ethic is to evoke some kind
>of reaction. I put it to you, sir, that you are conclusive proof that
>in this respect they have been fairly successful!
Well, I admit you've got me there. If art is meant to provoke
reaction, then the Manics certainly are art. It's just art that I
intensely dislike.
Weirdly, I had exactly the same argument with a mate of mine the other
day. He's got a mate who's into extreme slasher films, bordering on
snuff. I said I wouldn't watch those films cos they make me feel
disgusted. He said this proved they were good art. Hmmmmm...
When I first heard Erik Saties 'Ogives' I cried. The music was so
inspiring, so ... moving. I don't get that from the Manics, i just get
a feeling of bluster, fake leftiness and dollops of designer angst. I
used to quite like some of the musical backgrounds they had (circa
'Despair') but the lyrics have always horribly annoyed me. They're
like the Alarm it's okay to like.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Jyoti Mishra
>To be quite
>frank, I'm not the slightest bit interested in the Manics for their
>sloganeering or their pseudo intellectualism... I just like the music!
But those are the bits I hate the most :-) I envy your ability to
ignore them.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Karim Adab
away, that there jy...@dial.pipex.com (Jyoti Mishra) went all like :
>Neil <ne...@taiga1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>no it's unlistenable toss ;) No strike that, more clever lyrics and
>>fairly boring music. Vaguely punk, vaguely twenty years out of date.
>>Excellent lyrics and very disturbing there's no denying but I don't
>>listen to music just for the words on the whole, particularly if the
>>tunes leave me cold. If I want something intelligent I'll read a book.
>>Why do I get a feeling I'm going to get flamed to fuck for writing this?
>
>Flamed? Flamed?? I'd give you a medal, mate but you don't go far
>saying they're great all the time *makes* them great. They're not.
>inaccurate polemics ever. Punks?? Punks?? On fucking SONY!!! Hypocrite
>fucking fake revolutionaries making millions for another multinational
>of the most unintelligent, belligerent and ROCK STAR people I've ever
>had the misfortune to waste my time talking to. The fucker can't even
>wipe his arse without a trio of Sony minders applauding his every cleg
>nut.
Not too jealous that your bleepy bedroom shite never got a Brit then,
eh? What's the matter, "all the money's gone"?
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Gruf
(Karim Adab) wrote:
>Not too jealous that your bleepy bedroom shite never got a Brit then,
>eh? What's the matter, "all the money's gone"?
Oh dear.....
Look out Jyoti, looks like the rabid Manics fans are onto you.....
Watch your back!
Gareth
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Anthony Chapman
reinforcements from a Manics NG / list ;-)
In article <36df213d...@news.demon.co.uk>, Karim Adab <st.andrews@
NOSPAMthepentagon.com> writes
>Not too jealous that your bleepy bedroom shite never got a Brit then,
>eh? What's the matter, "all the money's gone"?
--
Anthony Chapman
Jyoti Mishra
>Not too jealous that your bleepy bedroom shite never got a Brit then,
>eh? What's the matter, "all the money's gone"?
Boo hooo! I never got a BRIT! Booo hooo!
<throws himself on the floor in a fit of catharsis>
By god, Karim - you've finally nailed why I hate the Manics!
Who would have thought that you, some hopeless non-entity of a parody
of a sham of a mockery of a rabid Manics fan, would have worked it
out!?
I stand revealed in my suburban Nazi shallowality because...
<tremble>
I don't like some major label rock band!
Lock me up. Let's have a show trial. It'll be like 1936 all over
again. JDB can dress up as jolting Joe and all of you Manics fans can
play at being the petty fucking Stalinists you so obviously are.
You know, what I hate most about the Manics is rapidly becoming their
fucking idiot fans. Neither you nor the fucker slumming from Cambridge
uni has *ever* set foot on uk.music.alternative before. You don't
give a shit about any alternative music, you're just Manics fans.
Cunts.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Malc
>Not too jealous that your bleepy bedroom shite never got a Brit then,
>eh? What's the matter, "all the money's gone"?
don't fuck with the manics fans apart from all being 4 real they
do have the best comebacks don't they???.
Love Malc.
J.M. Steers
> You know, what I hate most about the Manics is rapidly becoming their
> fucking idiot fans. Neither you nor the fucker slumming from Cambridge
> uni has *ever* set foot on uk.music.alternative before. You don't
> give a shit about any alternative music, you're just Manics fans.
> Cunts.
Nice intelligent response I see. I also see the old prejudices about
Cambridge Uni are ingrained as ever *yawn*.
I guess you think I'm a student don't you. I guess you think I'm middle
class don't you. I bet you think I pissed away my grant when I went to
college don't you. And someone thought you were intelligent!
And remember - if you can't take a response then don't talk such shite.
I'd be quite happy to take this to email because I'm not afraid of
answering your ignorant, ill-informed diatribe - but of course you won't.
Because it's all empty words from a twisted mind. How can you seriously be
suprised you got a reponse when you talk such rubbish.
Regards
Jen
Ian Heavens
Roger King <ro...@rockstars.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Some people might say that part of the punk ethic is to evoke some kind
>>>of reaction.
>
>>ban acts because they are rumoured to dismember live animals on stage.
>
>Hmmm. To be honest, I'm not sure what's worse... seeking to gain
>frank, I'm not the slightest bit interested in the Manics for their
>sloganeering or their pseudo intellectualism... I just like the music!
Well, it was the press who created the sensationalism, Malcolm MacLaren
and the Sex Pistols apart.
>>It's supposed to make fat businessmen in suits with mobile phones
>>and brain damage gasp in horror at Mohicans, tattoos and body piercings.
>>It's supposed to remind people that not everyone has to behave like
>>a fucking clone and buy what the NME tells them to buy.
>
>But surely "punks" with mohicans, tattoos and body piercings are every
>bit as guilty of being clones as NME readers or even fat businessmen?
>I can't believe that conforming to any stereotype can be in keeping with
>the "punk ethic", whatever that may be...
You are quite right. The "punk ethic", if one exists, is more to do with
small record labels, an open attitude to music generally, a mistrust of big
business; and there is a certain irony in a movement proclaiming its difference
from the rest of society by dressing identically.
Most people end up being clones anyway! Just pick your tribal allegiance.
ian
David Murphy
> Cambridge Uni are ingrained as ever *yawn*.
Snobby upper crust bitches, every last one of you...
> I guess you think I'm a student don't you. I guess you think I'm middle
> class don't you. I bet you think I pissed away my grant when I went to
> college don't you. And someone thought you were intelligent!
> And remember - if you can't take a response then don't talk such shite.
> I'd be quite happy to take this to email because I'm not afraid of
> answering your ignorant, ill-informed diatribe - but of course you won't.
> Because it's all empty words from a twisted mind. How can you seriously be
> suprised you got a reponse when you talk such rubbish.
Excuse me jumping in here...
But, and I think I speak for most of the group when I say, and I really do
mean this, "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak!"
Oh yeah... and Bite Me.
Now fuck off back to masturbating over your JDB posters, and your
pseudo-intellectual, psuedo-anarchic, corporate fucking sucker's of satans
cock bastard Manics albums.
Don't bother replying to this message cos I don't give a fuck what all y'all
think...
-David
John Gibson
this).
On a totally unrelated topic, has anyone heard that new Jim O'Rourke
album yet? I read it was totally different to most stuff he's done and
gravitates very much in a pop direction. Any thoughts, anyone?
JOHN
Jyoti Mishra
>Nice intelligent response I see. I also see the old prejudices about
>Cambridge Uni are ingrained as ever *yawn*.
Ummm... I know people at Cambridge and they tell me it's still a
bastion of public school knobs. I suppose that's still second-hand
prejudice, though so you're right there.
>I guess you think I'm a student don't you. I guess you think I'm middle
>class don't you. I bet you think I pissed away my grant when I went to
>college don't you. And someone thought you were intelligent!
How stupid of me. I should have guessed that someone posting from a
Uni account *wasn't* a student - it's obvious isn't it?
>And remember - if you can't take a response then don't talk such shite.
>I'd be quite happy to take this to email because I'm not afraid of
>answering your ignorant, ill-informed diatribe - but of course you won't.
Here I am :-)
>Because it's all empty words from a twisted mind. How can you seriously be
>suprised you got a reponse when you talk such rubbish.
>Regards
>Jen
Hmmmm.... *you* were the one who launched the personal attack on me!
*You* were the one who posted *only* to a Manics thread in a newsgroup
where you've *never been before*. And you're accusing me of having an
evil twisted mind??? In fact, the only other music newsgroup you've
posted to from your current account is, suprise, surprise, the Manics
group. That's a very broad musical taste there - how do you cope?
As for ignorant and ill-informed - have you ever *personally* met JDB
and found him to be a charming, urbane fellow?
You think the Manics are the best thing since sliced bread and I'm an
idiot. Fine. Great. I'm glad you're passionate about them. But I am
not getting into a personal battle with you cos I don't even know who
the hell you are. You have the advantage of thinking you know me cos I
was famous for fifteen nanoseconds. But you don't.
If you want to email or post back with loads of insults, go ahead. It
doesn't really matter. I just don't like the Manics. Jesus, that's a
fucking crime to you Manics fans, innit?
<clunk>
From now on you're globally killfiled, along with Geir Hongro, Mike
Corley and everyone else too irrational to talk to.
see ya
Roger King
<a...@achap.demon.co.uk> writes
>Hmmm..... Methinks Roger "Jonathan" King
Cheeky bastard! ;-)
>has called in the
>reinforcements from a Manics NG / list ;-)
Hey, I like the Manics, but not THAT much! Now, if you were to start
slagging off Send No Flowers or Puressence, I might get narked!
Roger King
<i...@spider.com> writes
>Well, it was the press who created the sensationalism, Malcolm MacLaren
>and the Sex Pistols apart.
True. Some things never change, eh?
>You are quite right. The "punk ethic", if one exists, is more to do with
>small record labels, an open attitude to music generally, a mistrust of big
>business; and there is a certain irony in a movement proclaiming its difference
>from the rest of society by dressing identically.
I guess that makes me a punk then! Small record label, open attitude,
mistrust of business and a loathing of dress codes of any description.
Check!
>Most people end up being clones anyway! Just pick your tribal allegiance.
Hmmmm. I think I have a different ones, depending on what I'm doing at
the time! Variety is the spice of life, after all.
Cheers!
>
>ian
Roger King
Hey, nothing like a healthy debate to bring out the best in people!
;-)
In article <36DFF0DE...@Soundtracs.co.uk>, David Murphy
<Dav...@Soundtracs.co.uk> writes
>Now fuck off back to masturbating over your JDB posters, and your
>pseudo-intellectual, psuedo-anarchic, corporate fucking sucker's of satans
>cock bastard Manics albums.
Paul Speller
> >The Manics are a bunch of arrogant poe-faced bullies who think
> >saying they're great all the time *makes* them great. They're not.
> >They're sixth-form poetry laboured over some of the dodgiest
> >inaccurate polemics ever.
> Not too jealous that your bleepy bedroom shite never got a Brit then,
> eh? What's the matter, "all the money's gone"?
Karim! Hello. You've decided to be a total twat on more than one
newsgroup then. And fail to read everything a person has said when
attempting to argue with them here too. For Jyoti, as for anyone who's
actually making music because they care about music and not just about
being coporate cock-sucking wankers, Brits and money-making are
irrelevant. What matters is making great music, and that's what Jyoti,
unlike the Manics, does.
--
Paul ... bitoclass ... 16951739 ... http://www.long-distance.clara.net/
The Anti-Spam Trivia Quiz (replace the ?s in my address with the answer)
Q12 - MUSIC:
Complete the title of Neneh Cherry's December 1988 hit, "Buffalo ------"
Jyoti Mishra
>Karim! Hello. You've decided to be a total twat on more than one
>newsgroup then. And fail to read everything a person has said when
>attempting to argue with them here too. For Jyoti, as for anyone who's
>actually making music because they care about music and not just about
>being coporate cock-sucking wankers, Brits and money-making are
>irrelevant. What matters is making great music, and that's what Jyoti,
>unlike the Manics, does.
Aww shucks, Paul. You made me jizz meself...
<smell of spume>
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Jyoti Mishra
>P.S. Check this out:
>
>Nil - Escape Velocity EP (1998)
>4 tracks/18 minutes of music
>Cutting edge alternative rock/metal from Belfast, as featured by John Peel.
>Reviews: "Wooow... those guitars are sounding amazing. Listen to this
>and you remember how good music can sound!!!" (The Original Sin) "Nil
>have created a massive sound for themselves. Excellent stuff indeed."
>(BB Zine).
Hey - this isn't a proper plug! On ukma we demand shameless self
promotion. Where's an address? Tel. No.? Distributor? Website with
numerous shakily encoded MP3s? Cuh - badgers today, don't know they're
born....
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Gruf
wrote:
>Nice intelligent response I see. I also see the old prejudices about
>Cambridge Uni are ingrained as ever *yawn*.
>class don't you. I bet you think I pissed away my grant when I went to
>college don't you. And someone thought you were intelligent!
>I'd be quite happy to take this to email because I'm not afraid of
>answering your ignorant, ill-informed diatribe - but of course you won't.
>suprised you got a reponse when you talk such rubbish.
>
>Regards
>
>Jen
Fucking Manics fans are so uptight. It's getting like the old
Morissey fans who used to write into the NME every week.
I mean, the person who wrote this pile of shite only ever posts in the
Manics or the Placebo newsgroups. Get real now, your in the world of
people who go beyond the pages of Select to find decent music to
listen too (or pictures to oggle over).
The Manics mean fuck all to most people who post here. Try reading
more of the newsgroup before blindly charging in defending your oh so
lovely heros because it got mentioned in the manics newsgroup. I bet
your one of the people who hated Mogwai when they supported the
manics.
Mark Bartlam
wrote:
>The Manics mean fuck all to most people who post here.
They mean more than fuck all to everyone who contributed to this
thread, whether you like the Manics or not, otherwise why would you
all bother to get off your arses and respond?
I've already made the point that the Manics have no place in
uk.music.alternative but that doesn't stop you from ranting about them
anyway, indulging in a bit of good, old-fashioned indie snobbery.
>Try reading more of the newsgroup before blindly charging in defending
>your oh so lovely heros
Sorry, but your argument is just plain bollocks. Anyone reading more
of the newsgroup would clearly see a bunch of uk.m.a regulars ragging
on the Manics (amongst others).
--Mark
Gruf
wrote:
Ahh, the grass returns.....
>They mean more than fuck all to everyone who contributed to this
>thread, whether you like the Manics or not, otherwise why would you
>all bother to get off your arses and respond?
>
>I've already made the point that the Manics have no place in
>uk.music.alternative but that doesn't stop you from ranting about them
>anyway, indulging in a bit of good, old-fashioned indie snobbery.
Yeah right indie snobbery, that old favourite. And where exactly was
your point made. I don't remember it. Can't see it in this thread. I
seem to remember this whole manics thing starting from a post about
the nme readers poll. If you don't want the manics discussed here
then why go over to their newsgroup and make a post about it being
discussed here?
>>Try reading more of the newsgroup before blindly charging in defending
>>your oh so lovely heros
>
>Sorry, but your argument is just plain bollocks. Anyone reading more
>of the newsgroup would clearly see a bunch of uk.m.a regulars ragging
>on the Manics (amongst others).
>
>--Mark
Yeah, ok. I suppose they must mean something or we wouldn't be
discussing them. Doesn't mean you need to go running of to the manics
newsgroup to get them all coming here does it? It's one thread in
among loads of others. Does a slagging of the manics really disgust
you that much. I thought it would be fairly obvious here.
Besides, i always talk bollocks at this time on a friday night. The
tele's just not what it used to be.
Alan Trewartha
<URL:mailto:jy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> If you want to email or post back with loads of insults, go ahead. It
> doesn't really matter. I just don't like the Manics. Jesus, that's a
> fucking crime to you Manics fans, innit?
You're getting steamed up again Jyoti. And about people that admire the
lyric "Libraries gave us power".
Hey and for the record I've bought more of your albums (1) than of the janet
street preachers (0) AND I went to Cambridge to, though not after public
school. I am middle class, though, that's for darn tootin. You should have
seen the lovely Rainbow Trout smothered with Thai Lime sauce (not on a bed of
cous-cous though) that I cooked the other night. Gorgeous. A lovely red to
go with it too. Neat-o.
Sorry, I'm rambling. I just want everyone to love one another. Except for
the janets.
Hey here's a good way of distracting everyone: what's your 'schmindie'
weakness. I have a theory that everyone has a dark secret band that they like
listening too but somehow feel bad about it. Severe public embarrasment is
always good for a laugh, no? So...
And the winner is... 'Shed Seven'
AAAAarrrgh. Despite everything. Despite Helen Love songs. Despite
knowing that they're just a bunch of boorish sing-along stomper songs. I have
this sweet affection for them. They're fun once in a while.
Hey we can make this a sort of 'Indie Springer': I'm a cool indie kid with
every album by Stephin Merritt and David Gedge - how can I tell my partner
about my Alanis Morissette fixation?
GO SISTER! YOU TELL IT LIKE IT IS etc. My name's Jerry Spri.. Mark Radcliffe
--
Mail to alant instead of no.spam
J.M. Steers
<snip rest , cos no point in replying because....
> > Here I am :-)
>
> If you want to email or post back with loads of insults, go ahead. It
> doesn't really matter.
> <clunk>
I believe the word is <plonk>:P
> From now on you're globally killfiled, along with Geir Hongro, Mike
> Corley and everyone else too irrational to talk to.
> see ya
See. I can't repond if you've killfiled me. Durrrrr.....
Jen
J.M. Steers
> Aww shucks, Paul. You made me jizz meself...
> <smell of spume>
> love and kisses,
> Jyoti
Says it all.
Jen
J.M. Steers
> On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:29:34 +0000, "J.M. Steers" <jm...@cus.cam.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >Nice intelligent response I see. I also see the old prejudices about
> >Cambridge Uni are ingrained as ever *yawn*.
> >I guess you think I'm a student don't you. I guess you think I'm middle
> >class don't you. I bet you think I pissed away my grant when I went to
> >college don't you. And someone thought you were intelligent!
> >And remember - if you can't take a response then don't talk such shite.
> >I'd be quite happy to take this to email because I'm not afraid of
> >answering your ignorant, ill-informed diatribe - but of course you won't.
> >Because it's all empty words from a twisted mind. How can you seriously be
> >suprised you got a reponse when you talk such rubbish.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jen
>
>
> Fucking Manics fans are so uptight. It's getting like the old
> Morissey fans who used to write into the NME every week.
>
> I mean, the person who wrote this pile of shite only ever posts in the
> Manics or the Placebo newsgroups.
You've not done your homework very well have you.
Jen
Jyoti Mishra
>I believe the word is <plonk>:P
Naah - you're not trying to encourage me to be a plonker, are you?
>See. I can't repond if you've killfiled me. Durrrrr.....
>Jen
Only my email. And only cos I've had a few too many Manics hate mails
already clogging up my server. I'll have to keep them with the hate
mail I've got from Smiths fans.
Anyway, I've woken up this morning full of joy. Spring has sprung
(well, sort of). I spent all night listening to great music and
dancing stupidly round my sitting room. I love you! I love the Manics!
I love the Chickenshed Song! I am in love with the worrrld!
Perhaps Jimmy Robot's policy is right - just don't talk about stuff
you don't like. I remember slagging off Gene to high heaven and then
meeting them in Spain. After all the nasty things I'd said, Martin
Rossiter was one of the nicest blokes I've ever met. I still don't
like their music but somebody who's that much of a Redskins fan
deserves some respect.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Jyoti Mishra
>You're getting steamed up again Jyoti.
I know that. It's awful, innit? I always think that one year I'll just
be too old to be bothered about music but it's not happened yet. And
every time the Stereophonics come on the radio, I cough up furballs of
rage.
>And about people that admire the
>lyric "Libraries gave us power".
No - only *some* of those people. Roger King's been completely funny,
calm and reasoned in his defence of the Manics. It's people like him
that make me think that maybe I'm wrong.
>Hey and for the record I've bought more of your albums (1) than of the janet
>street preachers (0)
Hey - that means you're one of the four thousand in Britain. Pitiful,
isn't it? I bet the Darling Buds sold more bleeding albums...
>AND I went to Cambridge to, though not after public
>school. I am middle class, though, that's for darn tootin. You should have
>seen the lovely Rainbow Trout smothered with Thai Lime sauce (not on a bed of
>cous-cous though) that I cooked the other night. Gorgeous. A lovely red to
>go with it too. Neat-o.
Hmmmm... It wasn't the actual Cambridge or class thing I was having a
go at - it was the occasional presence. There's plenty of ukma peeps,
past and present, who're at Oxford or Cambridge but they're here
because of a broad-ranging interest, not just jumping in on one
thread. *That's* what I meant by slumming - same as day trip or
holiday. Gracing ukma with a visit for the one topic, spouting off
without even knowing the group.
>Sorry, I'm rambling. I just want everyone to love one another. Except for
>the janets.
Eh? So you *don't* like them? What?
>Hey here's a good way of distracting everyone: what's your 'schmindie'
>weakness. I have a theory that everyone has a dark secret band that they like
>listening too but somehow feel bad about it. Severe public embarrasment is
>always good for a laugh, no? So...
>
>
>And the winner is... 'Shed Seven'
Well, I can't agree here cos I think people should be poud of whatever
music they like, even if the rest of the world thinks it's shite. I
still like 'From Despair To Where' cos it's a good pop song, although
I don't know what the hell it's on about lyrically. And when I bought
it, loads of my cooler mates gave me funny looks.
>AAAAarrrgh. Despite everything. Despite Helen Love songs. Despite
>knowing that they're just a bunch of boorish sing-along stomper songs. I have
>this sweet affection for them. They're fun once in a while.
Shed Seven are (were?) just a pop band. They had some good tunes and a
singer who looked like a chimp. Didn't really rock my world.
>Hey we can make this a sort of 'Indie Springer': I'm a cool indie kid with
>every album by Stephin Merritt and David Gedge - how can I tell my partner
>about my Alanis Morissette fixation?
>GO SISTER! YOU TELL IT LIKE IT IS etc. My name's Jerry Spri.. Mark Radcliffe
You're funny. Would you like to see my hairy boobs?
love and kisses,
Jyoti
J.M. Steers
> "J.M. Steers" <jm...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >I believe the word is <plonk>:P
>
> Naah - you're not trying to encourage me to be a plonker, are you?
I'm saying nothing*grin*
> >See. I can't repond if you've killfiled me. Durrrrr.....
> >Jen
>
> Only my email. And only cos I've had a few too many Manics hate mails
> already clogging up my server. I'll have to keep them with the hate
> mail I've got from Smiths fans.
Me, send hate mail. Never. Actually, I made the mistake of giving my
'thoughts' on the Smiths in the Radiohead ng. They certainly don't pull
their punches. *shudder* :-)
> Anyway, I've woken up this morning full of joy. Spring has sprung
> (well, sort of). I spent all night listening to great music and
> dancing stupidly round my sitting room. I love you! I love the Manics!
> I love the Chickenshed Song! I am in love with the worrrld!
Uhhuh. *tiptoeing away, very very quietly*
> Perhaps Jimmy Robot's policy is right - just don't talk about stuff
> you don't like. I remember slagging off Gene to high heaven and then
> meeting them in Spain. After all the nasty things I'd said, Martin
> Rossiter was one of the nicest blokes I've ever met. I still don't
> like their music but somebody who's that much of a Redskins fan
> deserves some respect.
Easier said than done. I do very well for months and months and then
think there must be something in my brain (boredom) I suspect, that
refuses not not let me respond. Hey ho. I'm off to get drunk all weekend
and watch the racing and footie. Joy.
Jen
Jyoti Mishra
>I've already made the point that the Manics have no place in
>uk.music.alternative but that doesn't stop you from ranting about them
>anyway, indulging in a bit of good, old-fashioned indie snobbery.
Eh? I just don't like them. I like plenty of major label bands so I
don't think you could call me a snob. It's not that they're famous, or
rich or powerful - it's that they're all of those things and pretend
they're more radical than Fugazi.
>>Try reading more of the newsgroup before blindly charging in defending
>>your oh so lovely heros
>
>Sorry, but your argument is just plain bollocks. Anyone reading more
>of the newsgroup would clearly see a bunch of uk.m.a regulars ragging
>on the Manics (amongst others).
>--Mark
Well, yeah, you would - cos you're a regular here, Mark. I think
Gareth was talking about the new faces popping up. And it isn't, as
you point out, just about the Manics, is it?
Why should people have to tip-toe around whether they like a band or
not? If, for example, you said my favourite band (which is Kraftwerk)
were a bunch of cunts, and Nazis and you'd met them and they were
arrogant bastards, I wouldn't launch a personal attack on you (not
that you did to me about the Manics, but you get my point).
I'd think:
a) I know Mark from ukma and maybe he's right. Perhaps I should look
at his criticisms seriously
b) This bloke's off his trolley and just hates Kraftwerk. I'll
killfile the nutter if he gets really annoying.
When I slag the Manics, I'm criticising a *band* not any one fan. But
then I get personal attacks, hate email, lose my rag and get personal
myself. And these attacks are from people who've never even met the
Manics themselves!
Either way, there's nothing anyone could say about my favourite band
that would turn me into a foaming psycho and launch into an attack of
that person as an individual. In summary:
Jyoti says : "I don't like the Manics cos they're fake corporate punks
and I've met one of them and he was weird and nasty"
Manics Fans : "Well - you're a big fat one hit wonder. You've got no
Brit awards and you smell. You know nothing about music. My Dad's
bigger than yours. You record in your bedroom with SYNTHS! The Manics
are sensitive and caring socialists which is why we'll send you hate
mail and call you nasty names if you don't worship them as our
saviours. You're gay, you've got nits...etc, etc..."
Not one person (apart from Roger) has reasonably answered my original
points. This has been a calm post where I've deliberately tried not to
annoy anyone. What replies will it get?
love and kisses,
Jyoti
Jyoti Mishra
>Me, send hate mail. Never. Actually, I made the mistake of giving my
>'thoughts' on the Smiths in the Radiohead ng. They certainly don't pull
>their punches. *shudder* :-)
Ahhh... It wasn't from you. All I'm saying is that I didn't know the
Manics were that popular in the US. And some of the things they were
telling me to do are impossible to achieve with my humble genitalia.
>Easier said than done. I do very well for months and months and then
>think there must be something in my brain (boredom) I suspect, that
>refuses not not let me respond. Hey ho. I'm off to get drunk all weekend
>and watch the racing and footie. Joy.
>Jen
Yeah - but how old are you? I'm 32 - that mean's I've been getting
into fights about music for the last TWENTY YEARS! REO Speedwagon
fans, Yes fans, Secret Affair fans, Joy Division fans, Cure fans,
Smiths fans, Spacemen 3 fans, PWEI fans, Levellers fans, Blur fans,
Northside fans, Stone Roses fans, Warren G fans, Manics,
Stereophonics, Radiohead, Verve, Kula Shaker...
Christ, I'm tired....
love and kisses,
Jyoti
J.M. Steers
> "J.M. Steers" <jm...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Me, send hate mail. Never. Actually, I made the mistake of giving my
> >'thoughts' on the Smiths in the Radiohead ng. They certainly don't pull
> >their punches. *shudder* :-)
>
> Ahhh... It wasn't from you. All I'm saying is that I didn't know the
> Manics were that popular in the US. And some of the things they were
> telling me to do are impossible to achieve with my humble genitalia.
*grin*. They seem prevailant everywhere on the net.
> >Easier said than done. I do very well for months and months and then
> >think there must be something in my brain (boredom) I suspect, that
> >refuses not not let me respond. Hey ho. I'm off to get drunk all weekend
> >and watch the racing and footie. Joy.
> >Jen
>
> Yeah - but how old are you? I'm 32 - that mean's I've been getting
> into fights about music for the last TWENTY YEARS! REO Speedwagon
> fans, Yes fans, Secret Affair fans, Joy Division fans, Cure fans,
> Smiths fans, Spacemen 3 fans, PWEI fans, Levellers fans, Blur fans,
> Northside fans, Stone Roses fans, Warren G fans, Manics,
> Stereophonics, Radiohead, Verve, Kula Shaker...
I've had different music tastes from everyone I know since the age of
13...and at the age of 26 (27 soon *gulp*), that's a lot of rows.
It's kind of like the times I say I'll give up smoking ..ha ha..
I just fed up when ppl don't actully my replies when I challenge them.
I just don't think manics fans are any different from any other. When
people slag them off, they want to defend them
Hoof!
Jen
Roger King
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>Nil - Escape Velocity EP (1998)
>>4 tracks/18 minutes of music
>>Cutting edge alternative rock/metal from Belfast, as featured by John Peel.
>>Reviews: "Wooow... those guitars are sounding amazing. Listen to this
>>and you remember how good music can sound!!!" (The Original Sin) "Nil
>>have created a massive sound for themselves. Excellent stuff indeed."
>>(BB Zine).
>
>Hey - this isn't a proper plug!
I do apologise! But thanks, anyway, for bringing it to everyone's
attention!
>On ukma we demand shameless self
>promotion. Where's an address? Tel. No.? Distributor? Website with
>numerous shakily encoded MP3s?
You'll have to e-mail them to find out!
n...@rockstars.demon.co.uk, I believe!
>Cuh - badgers today, don't know they're
>born....
>love and kisses,
>Jyoti
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"Woof, woof!" said the badger with an enigmatic smile...
Luv
Roger King
x
P.S. Check this out:
Nil - Escape Velocity EP (1998)
4 tracks/18 minutes of music
Cutting edge alternative rock/metal from Belfast, as featured by John Peel.
Reviews: "Wooow... those guitars are sounding amazing. Listen to this
and you remember how good music can sound!!!" (The Original Sin) "Nil
have created a massive sound for themselves. Excellent stuff indeed."
(BB Zine).
Contact: n...@rockstars.demon.co.uk
Roger King
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>No - only *some* of those people. Roger King's been completely funny,
>calm and reasoned in his defence of the Manics. It's people like him
>that make me think that maybe I'm wrong.
Aw, shucks! I'm humbled now... Think I'll just curl up in a corner and
blush myself senseless!
To be honest, though, there may be some element of truth in your
perceptions of Manics fans. Whenever I see them live, I always get the
impression that there are more than the usual number of bad tempered
people in the audience... But they're still only a minority!
Oh well, peace 'n love 'n all that!
Roger King
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>Not one person (apart from Roger) has reasonably answered my original
>points.
Hey, stop that! My head's getting so bit that before long, I won't be
able to get through the door!
;-)
Greg Eden
<ro...@rockstars.demon.co.uk>. They cleared their throat, and when they
had the full attention of all present, spake thus:
>In article <371616c9....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
><jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>No - only *some* of those people. Roger King's been completely funny,
>>calm and reasoned in his defence of the Manics. It's people like him
>>that make me think that maybe I'm wrong.
>
>Aw, shucks! I'm humbled now... Think I'll just curl up in a corner and
>blush myself senseless!
>
>To be honest, though, there may be some element of truth in your
>perceptions of Manics fans. Whenever I see them live, I always get the
>impression that there are more than the usual number of bad tempered
>people in the audience... But they're still only a minority!
The only two times I've ever seen them live, I was right at the back of
the venue, so didn't meet any of those types. Perhaps I'm just lucky.
>Oh well, peace 'n love 'n all that!
Amen to that.
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RM Cann
scoundrel days has to be one of the most powerful records this century.
join pal's songwriting with morten's incredible voice and mags' mullet
and the result is quite ridiculous in its brilliance.
give me some pain. hahaha. if you want REAL pain jyoti, listen to "i've
been losing you". ;-)
rspaceman
Jyoti Mishra
Hey - you don't have to convince me. 'The Sun Always Shines On TV' is
a fine piece of pop music. And 'Hunting High And Low' still brings a
lump to my throat, and indeed trousers.
Why be ashamed of *any* music? I remember mates taking the piss out of
me for liking the Carpenters and Abba. Suddenly, they became
ironically cool. Same with the Bee Gees. Who can keep up with the
fashion of what to like? At the mo, the stuff to slag off is 80s
synthpop music but no doubt there'll be another fashion swing and I
can dust off my Animotion 12", Fashion album and Men Without Hats
singles...
Can any ukma regulars (or indeed, lurkers) top my "crap" taste in
music? Anyone out there with a special place in their heart for
Fiction Factory, Brother Beyond or Toto Coelo?
love and kisses,
Jyoti
"I like to rhyme, I like my beats funky,
I'm spunky, I like my oatmeal lumpy."
Malc
>
>Can any ukma regulars (or indeed, lurkers) top my "crap" taste in
>music? Anyone out there with a special place in their heart for
>Fiction Factory, Brother Beyond or Toto Coelo?
>love and kisses,
>Jyoti
>
>"I like to rhyme, I like my beats funky,
>I'm spunky, I like my oatmeal lumpy."
erm, i like dave lee roth....
Love Malc.
Roger King
I've got some Belinda Carlisle albums! And yes, that was more than
one... not to mention the best of Simple Minds. Come to think of it, do
all the early Iron Maiden, Saxon and Def Leppard albums qualify?
In article <3728dcb7....@news.demon.co.uk>, Jyoti Mishra
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>Can any ukma regulars (or indeed, lurkers) top my "crap" taste in
>music? Anyone out there with a special place in their heart for
>Fiction Factory, Brother Beyond or Toto Coelo?
>love and kisses,
>Jyoti
rhodri & erika
> I've got some Belinda Carlisle albums! And yes, that was more than
> one... not to mention the best of Simple Minds. Come to think of it, do
> all the early Iron Maiden, Saxon and Def Leppard albums qualify?
you must have had a bonanza evening on C4 on Saturday then....
Rhodri
rhodri & erika
> Hey - you don't have to convince me. 'The Sun Always Shines On TV' is
> a fine piece of pop music. And 'Hunting High And Low' still brings a
> lump to my throat, and indeed trousers.
and who can not fail to join in with Cry Wolf "Oo-ooooooo"
> can dust off my Animotion 12", Fashion album and Men Without Hats
> singles...
I was astonished to discover the other day that Underworld used to be
Freur. Actually maybe I imagined that. Certainly SOMEBODY use to be
Freur.
> Can any ukma regulars (or indeed, lurkers) top my "crap" taste in
> music? Anyone out there with a special place in their heart for
> Fiction Factory, Brother Beyond or Toto Coelo?
I was into Swing Out Sister, for a short time, and retain 'It's Better
To Travel' (i think it's called, and can't be bothered to look) as
proof.
Rhodri
toe
>I used to be ashamed about liking a-ha, but now i'm coming out.
>scoundrel days has to be one of the most powerful records this century.
>join pal's songwriting with morten's incredible voice and mags' mullet
>and the result is quite ridiculous in its brilliance.
>
>give me some pain. hahaha. if you want REAL pain jyoti, listen to "i've
>been losing you". ;-)
>
>rspaceman
>
after not contributing to ukma for ages, i'm going to jump right in here
with an a-ha confessional:
i caught myself hurtling down the m4 the other day singing "hunting high and
low" very loudly indeed. i didn't have the stereo on....
....and i used to have a mullet.
cheerio
toe
(don't worry, i'll make amends later by reviewing the new "holosud" album
["yay! shitey bedroom bleepage"])
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<rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk> writes
>I was astonished to discover the other day that Underworld used to be
>Freur. Actually maybe I imagined that. Certainly SOMEBODY use to be
>Freur.
You weren't deceived. Karl Hyde and the other old bloke from Underworld
were the founder members of "Freur".
Mind you, the Freur records are a damn sight better than the first two
Underworld albums (pre Darren Emerson).
--
Anthony Chapman
Simon Greenwood
>
> I was astonished to discover the other day that Underworld used to be
> Freur. Actually maybe I imagined that. Certainly SOMEBODY use to be
> Freur.
They're not ashamed of it, although I think they've cut their hair
considerably since then. I'd love to see them get it on 'Hit Miss or
Maybe' or something. After 'Doot Doot' (a classically hateful hit) the
bloody LP clogged up the bargain bins like a bit of rancid Brie.
> I was into Swing Out Sister, for a short time, and retain 'It's Better
> To Travel' (i think it's called, and can't be bothered to look) as
> proof.
I think 'Breakout' is a fine tune, and in the right frame would embarrass
myself on a wedding reception dancefloor to it. Andy McConnell is a fine
figure of man and of course lead a double life as ACR's keyboard player -
he could still do as far as I know. The lass was quite cute if you like
the Cherie Blair with a Louise Brooks hairstyle look as well.
I'll get me coat...
Simon
Alan Trewartha
<URL:mailto:rc8...@bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> give me some pain. hahaha. if you want REAL pain jyoti, listen to "i've
> been losing you". ;-)
>
> rspaceman
>
Manhattan Skyline always effected me more, but in an odd not really sad, more
pointlessly introspective, kind of way.
Simon Greenwood
(Anthony Chapman) wrote:
> You weren't deceived. Karl Hyde and the other old bloke from Underworld
> were the founder members of "Freur".
>
> Mind you, the Freur records are a damn sight better than the first two
> Underworld albums (pre Darren Emerson).
There are Underworld albums pre 'Dubnobass'? Sounds like a bit of
Stalinist whitewashing's been going on if that's the case.
Simon
Jyoti Mishra
>I was into Swing Out Sister, for a short time, and retain 'It's Better
>To Travel' (i think it's called, and can't be bothered to look) as
>proof.
>Rhodri
Oooh - I *still* like the bass sound on 'Breakout' - it was
superclunky and sounded a bit rubber-bandy.
Mind you, it's not as good as the bass on the Art Of Noise's 'Close To
The Edit.' I remember working that fucker out, note by note.
love and kisses,
Jyoti
The White Town website can be found at:
http://www.k1m.com/wt
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Jyoti Mishra
>....and i used to have a mullet.
>cheerio
>toe
That's nothing, mate. I had a purple fringe for five years. When I had
hair.
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Anthony Chapman
<jy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>That's nothing, mate. I had a purple fringe for five years. When I had
>hair.
When I was in Sheffield last week, I saw photos of Chris Trout (Bear
etc) with a tricolour mullet. Spectacular.
--
Anthony Chapman
rhodri
> Mind you, it's not as good as the bass on the Art Of Noise's 'Close To
> The Edit.' I remember working that fucker out, note by note.
Don't even start getting me going on the Art Of Noise (again, sorry).
Close to the Edit was probably the beginning of the end, but some of the
early stuff makes me wet myself. I picked up the 'daft' compilation with
all the ZTT stuff on it recently and it's soooo good.
--
Rhodri
'He suggested "My friend Bob, he has a job", and I
was saying, "no, Brian". I was kinda disappointed.'
(Beach Boy Bruce, on the lyrical genius of Brian Wilson, 1976)
Stan
night. I almost tried to find the Red Box lp but couldnt be bothered and
played Heathen Earth by TG instead..... No im not making this up.
Stan
I also own lp's by Shalamar & Republica alothough the latter was a mistake,
by god does it remind me of Toyah.
RM Cann wrote:
> I used to be ashamed about liking a-ha, but now i'm coming out.
> scoundrel days has to be one of the most powerful records this century.
> join pal's songwriting with morten's incredible voice and mags' mullet
> and the result is quite ridiculous in its brilliance.
>
> give me some pain. hahaha. if you want REAL pain jyoti, listen to "i've
> been losing you". ;-)
>
> rspaceman
--
Currently
Working at the University of Brighton, England.
Training for the upcoming cycling season.
Too bloody Fat.
Anthony Chapman
<rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk> writes
>Jyoti Mishra <jy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> Mind you, it's not as good as the bass on the Art Of Noise's 'Close To
>> The Edit.' I remember working that fucker out, note by note.
>
>Don't even start getting me going on the Art Of Noise (again, sorry).
>Close to the Edit was probably the beginning of the end, but some of the
>early stuff makes me wet myself. I picked up the 'daft' compilation with
>all the ZTT stuff on it recently and it's soooo good.
>
I'm working on a Collapsed Lung out takes / unreleased CD at the moment,
and I was overjoyed to re-discover the cheeky remix we did of "Something
Ordinary" featuring a sample of the piano from the end of "Beatbox".
--
Anthony Chapman
Rhodri Marsden
> Oh ! here goes my credibility :) I was listening to China Crisis last
> night. I almost tried to find the Red Box lp
ha!
The Circle And The Square. What a load of pompous toss (that I was
really into at the age of 14)
altogether:
Bantu,
Bantu,
one day,
Uhuru.
Wankers!
Rhodri
at work with nothing better to do
Mark Bartlam
wrote:
>RM Cann <rc8...@bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>give me some pain. hahaha. if you want REAL pain jyoti, listen to "i've
>>been losing you". ;-)
>
>Hey - you don't have to convince me. 'The Sun Always Shines On TV' is
>a fine piece of pop music.
No arguments from me either, although "Take On Me" is better IMO.
>Why be ashamed of *any* music? I remember mates taking the piss out of
>me for liking the Carpenters and Abba.
Sad fact: the first record I ever bought was an ABBA 7" and I remember
getting _such_ a bollocking from my mum for wasting my money. Some
things never change ;-)
>Suddenly, they became ironically cool.
They did? Ooh, thank fuck I don't have to hide it anymore.
>Can any ukma regulars (or indeed, lurkers) top my "crap" taste in
>music?
Would anyone want to? ;-)
--Mark
Roger King
<rho...@gyoker.demon.co.uk> writes
>> I've got some Belinda Carlisle albums! And yes, that was more than
>> one... not to mention the best of Simple Minds. Come to think of it, do
>> all the early Iron Maiden, Saxon and Def Leppard albums qualify?
>you must have had a bonanza evening on C4 on Saturday then....
Unfortunately I was out at a party... Bummer!
:-)
Stan
Rhodri Marsden wrote:
--
David Murphy
> getting _such_ a bollocking from my mum for wasting my money. Some
> things never change ;-)
First ever record I bought was Cameo : Word Up.. oh yes gigantic red
cod-pieces were/are/and will always be cool...
> >Can any ukma regulars (or indeed, lurkers) top my "crap" taste in
> >music?
Actually I can.. but I'll only admit it in private.
-David
Gruf
Marsden) wrote:
>The Circle And The Square. What a load of pompous toss (that I was
>really into at the age of 14)
>
>altogether:
>
>Bantu,
>Bantu,
>one day,
>Uhuru.
>
>Wankers!
>
>Rhodri
>at work with nothing better to do
What was the name of that Red Box single that was really popular?
I liked that, did it get to number 1?
Gareth
"lets get the fat boy"
Schengen and Weyland website
http://www.jubal.clara.net/
Anthony Chapman
<Dav...@Soundtracs.co.uk> writes
>Actually I can.. but I'll only admit it in private.
I can "out" David here....
I'm sure he loves Counting Crows (or is it Hootie & The Blowfish - I
always get those two examples of all that is rotten with American music
muddled).
:-)
--
Anthony Chapman
toe
Gruf wrote in message <36e68fa8...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
>
>What was the name of that Red Box single that was really popular?
>I liked that, did it get to number 1?
would that be "lean on me" by any chance?
i remember buying it from woolies [i bought "if i was.." by midge ure at the
same time]
cheerio
toe
David Murphy
>
> I'm sure he loves Counting Crows (or is it Hootie & The Blowfish - I
> always get those two examples of all that is rotten with American music
> muddled).
My solicitors have told me not comment at this time,...
-David