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greg lee
Apr 21, 2013, 7:20:33 AM4/21/13
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Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
nothing of cousins marrying each other?
nothing of cousins marrying each other?
Richard Tobin
Apr 21, 2013, 8:27:16 AM4/21/13
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In article <e969263b-63a1-4b9a...@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
-- Richard
greg lee <music...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
>nothing of cousins marrying each other?
Yes. It's been common throughout human history.
>Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
>nothing of cousins marrying each other?
-- Richard
THE COLONEL
Apr 21, 2013, 10:52:47 AM4/21/13
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> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
gay
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
Curlytop
Apr 21, 2013, 3:48:22 PM4/21/13
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greg lee set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
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> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
No probs. It's legal in the UK and elsewhere, 1st cousins are the closest
relatives allowed to marry each other in Western Christianity. (Other
cultures do forbid this).
The prejudice against such relationships is explained by genetics. Too much
risk of the offspring picking up the same bad gene from both parents and
manifesting one or more genetic defects. In times past this would have
been "explained" as the deity(ies) punishing the couple for what
He/She/They evidently considered to be incest.
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> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
relatives allowed to marry each other in Western Christianity. (Other
cultures do forbid this).
The prejudice against such relationships is explained by genetics. Too much
risk of the offspring picking up the same bad gene from both parents and
manifesting one or more genetic defects. In times past this would have
been "explained" as the deity(ies) punishing the couple for what
He/She/They evidently considered to be incest.
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ξ: ) Proud to be curly (a genetic defect)
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Fevric J. Glandules
Apr 21, 2013, 4:26:19 PM4/21/13
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Curlytop wrote:
> The prejudice against such relationships is explained by genetics. Too much
> risk of the offspring picking up the same bad gene from both parents and
> manifesting one or more genetic defects.
Interestingly there seems to be some sort of mechanism that mostly
> The prejudice against such relationships is explained by genetics. Too much
> risk of the offspring picking up the same bad gene from both parents and
> manifesting one or more genetic defects.
prevents such relationships [1]. I have read that when the first
kibbutzim were set up, the parents hoped that their children would
in due course couple off. What happened was that the kids, who
grew up together [2], regarded each other as siblings rather than
potential mates.
Conversely, children who don't grow up with their siblings or
parents can be strongly attracted to them if they meet later on
in life.
Oh look, it's all on sodding Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction
Not forgetting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_the_King
[1] Except in Norfolk.
[2] "The children slept in children's houses and visited their
parents only a few hours a day", sez Wikipedia. More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz_communal_child_rearing_and_collective_education
greg lee
Apr 21, 2013, 5:15:08 PM4/21/13
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On Apr 21, 9:48 am, Curlytop <pvstownsend.zyx....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> greg leeset the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
In the 2005 movie of PRIDE AND P., Lady Catherine's daughter gives the
appearance of being a rather withdrawn yet nervous.
Didn't Lady C. want her daughter to marry Mr. Darcy who would have
been her daughter's cousin? And when people married in those days,
wasn't it a foregone conclusion that they would have children to pass
their wealth onto, especially if they were well off?
In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
their cousin?
In this recent news item about Iceland, they seem to be almost
paranoid about it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/accidental-incest-app-iceland_n_3114065.html
> greg leeset the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
> continuum:
>
> > Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> > nothing of cousins marrying each other?
>
> No probs. It's legal in the UK and elsewhere, 1st cousins are the closest
> relatives allowed to marry each other in Western Christianity. (Other
> cultures do forbid this).
>
> The prejudice against such relationships is explained by genetics. Too much
> risk of the offspring picking up the same bad gene from both parents and
> manifesting one or more genetic defects...
>
> > Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> > nothing of cousins marrying each other?
>
> No probs. It's legal in the UK and elsewhere, 1st cousins are the closest
> relatives allowed to marry each other in Western Christianity. (Other
> cultures do forbid this).
>
> The prejudice against such relationships is explained by genetics. Too much
> risk of the offspring picking up the same bad gene from both parents and
In the 2005 movie of PRIDE AND P., Lady Catherine's daughter gives the
appearance of being a rather withdrawn yet nervous.
Didn't Lady C. want her daughter to marry Mr. Darcy who would have
been her daughter's cousin? And when people married in those days,
wasn't it a foregone conclusion that they would have children to pass
their wealth onto, especially if they were well off?
In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
their cousin?
In this recent news item about Iceland, they seem to be almost
paranoid about it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/accidental-incest-app-iceland_n_3114065.html
greg lee
Apr 21, 2013, 5:15:34 PM4/21/13
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On Apr 21, 1:20 am, greg lee <music031...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
Thanks to all for your quick and informative replies.
> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
greg lee
Apr 22, 2013, 4:16:30 AM4/22/13
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On Apr 21, 1:20 am, greg lee <music031...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
Another thing I noticed was that dowries don't seem to be mentioned.
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
I thought that a woman couldn't get married unless she could offer her
groom's family a dowry?
Richard Tobin
Apr 22, 2013, 6:54:35 AM4/22/13
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In article <kl1fkk$9qg$1...@dont-email.me>,
I believe you can legally marry your great-grandmother. Provided
she's still alive and not already married of course.
-- Richard
Curlytop <pvstownse...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>No probs. It's legal in the UK and elsewhere, 1st cousins are the closest
>relatives allowed to marry each other in Western Christianity.
Unless you have a special dispensation from the Pope.
>No probs. It's legal in the UK and elsewhere, 1st cousins are the closest
>relatives allowed to marry each other in Western Christianity.
I believe you can legally marry your great-grandmother. Provided
she's still alive and not already married of course.
-- Richard
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Richard Tobin
Apr 22, 2013, 8:11:36 AM4/22/13
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In article <e969263b-63a1-4b9a...@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
greg lee <music...@gmail.com> wrote:
greg lee <music...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
>nothing of cousins marrying each other?
By the way, Prince Albert was Queen Victoria's first cousin, so
>nothing of cousins marrying each other?
it could hardly have been more respectable.
-- Richard
Stephen Wolstenholme
Apr 22, 2013, 10:03:02 AM4/22/13
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:15:08 -0700 (PDT), greg lee
<music...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
>their cousin?
I was born in the UK and have lived hear for most of my 64 years. I do
<music...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
>their cousin?
not know anyone and have never known anyone who is married to their
cousin so I think such marriages must be very, very rare.
Steve
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Stephen Wolstenholme
Apr 22, 2013, 10:04:36 AM4/22/13
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Curlytop
Apr 22, 2013, 2:22:19 PM4/22/13
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greg lee set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
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> In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
> their cousin?
Aren't the Queen and Prince Philip cousins?
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> In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
> their cousin?
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Marcus Houlden
Apr 22, 2013, 4:09:39 PM4/22/13
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC), Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
wrote the following to uk.misc:
Possibly not the bit of the ceremony where they exchange and put on rings
though.
mh.
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james follett
Apr 22, 2013, 5:31:15 PM4/22/13
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In article <kl0uab$sft$1...@dont-email.me>, dogp...@caribbeancity.net
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Mr Collins wasn't too concerned about his marrying cousin Lizzie, or
cousin Lydia, or counce Jane, or coursin kitty etc. The imortant thing
was to marry someone lest an estate be entailed away. Mrs Bennit wasn't
too concerted too.
James Follett
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cousin Lydia, or counce Jane, or coursin kitty etc. The imortant thing
was to marry someone lest an estate be entailed away. Mrs Bennit wasn't
too concerted too.
James Follett
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greg lee
Apr 23, 2013, 4:51:55 AM4/23/13
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On Apr 22, 4:04 am, Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC), rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
>
> (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> >In article <e969263b-63a1-4b9a-b986-d3a64d4b5...@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
receive a Royal Reprimand.
Her Majesty is displeased and your name has been withdrawn from the
list of non-notables who were being considered as worthy of being
invited to upcoming royal functions:
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50638a1c/turbine/la-ol-queen-bbc-jihad-20120926-001/600
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC), rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
>
> (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> >In article <e969263b-63a1-4b9a-b986-d3a64d4b5...@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >greg lee <music031...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> >>nothing of cousins marrying each other?
>
> >By the way, Prince Albert was Queen Victoria's first cousin, so
> >it could hardly have been more respectable.
>
> >-- Richard
>
> There is nothing respectable about royalty.
That comment has been reported to Buckingham Palace and you may soon
> >>Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> >>nothing of cousins marrying each other?
>
> >By the way, Prince Albert was Queen Victoria's first cousin, so
> >it could hardly have been more respectable.
>
> >-- Richard
>
> There is nothing respectable about royalty.
receive a Royal Reprimand.
Her Majesty is displeased and your name has been withdrawn from the
list of non-notables who were being considered as worthy of being
invited to upcoming royal functions:
http://www.trbimg.com/img-50638a1c/turbine/la-ol-queen-bbc-jihad-20120926-001/600
greg lee
Apr 23, 2013, 4:52:49 AM4/23/13
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Is everyone who should be
h'yah...................................h'yah?
Curlytop
Apr 23, 2013, 3:19:47 PM4/23/13
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Marc Wilson set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:
> In uk.misc, (Curlytop) wrote in <kl3uv8$75t$3...@dont-email.me>::
> question.
>
> Eventually, we're all cousins, if you go back far enough.
You're right, they are 2nd cousins, both great-great-grandchildren of Queen
Victoria.
continuum:
> In uk.misc, (Curlytop) wrote in <kl3uv8$75t$3...@dont-email.me>::
>
>>greg lee set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
>>continuum:
>>
>>> In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
>>> their cousin?
>>
>>Aren't the Queen and Prince Philip cousins?
>
> But not *first* cousins, which is what is generally meant by that
>>greg lee set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
>>continuum:
>>
>>> In the U.K. now, does one occasionally meet someone who is married to
>>> their cousin?
>>
>>Aren't the Queen and Prince Philip cousins?
>
> question.
>
> Eventually, we're all cousins, if you go back far enough.
You're right, they are 2nd cousins, both great-great-grandchildren of Queen
Victoria.
Fevric J. Glandules
Apr 23, 2013, 3:45:45 PM4/23/13
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Curlytop wrote:
[Aren't the Queen and Prince Philip cousins?]
[Aren't the Queen and Prince Philip cousins?]
>
> You're right, they are 2nd cousins, both great-great-grandchildren of Queen
> Victoria.
3rd cousins, then, surely?
> You're right, they are 2nd cousins, both great-great-grandchildren of Queen
> Victoria.
greg lee
May 4, 2013, 6:14:15 AM5/4/13
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On Apr 21, 1:20 am, greg lee <music031...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Am I the only one who is surprised that the characters seem to think
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
Also, am I the only one who feels that the conclusion of PRIDE AND P.
> nothing of cousins marrying each other?
is almost an ...and-they-lived-happily-ever-after ending?
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