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Dave Budd

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:34:16 AM12/13/09
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I keep seeing headers but the articles get chucked by my filters, are
you all crossposting to more than 2 groups?
Or are you all a bit quiet lately and I'm seeing slightly elevated
troll activity?
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Richard Robinson

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Dec 13, 2009, 7:07:16 AM12/13/09
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The activity of slightly elevated elevated trolls ? What a nice idea.


I don't think there's been much going on here for the last few days ?

I see something like that in most groups - the number of articles the
list-of-groups says is available tends to be much larger that those on offer
once you get to the titles & threading stage; the difference tending to be
much larger than the number of killfile matches mentioned.

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Dave Budd

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Dec 13, 2009, 9:23:33 AM12/13/09
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In article <1janz0g.6xzha610hjerkN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
> Formerly MIA Shedi Rusty Hinge has recently returned to the Shed,
> causing the slaughter of a fatted calf and all that. Anyway, Rusty's
> xposted a couple of threads into misc, he seems to like it here.

Oh, I've seen all that, that's only 2 groups. But it's just about all
I've seen lately, in here.
I might push the xpost filter up to 3, maybe.

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james

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:27:41 PM12/13/09
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In message <MPG.258ec5769...@News.Individual.NET>, Dave Budd
<da...@davebudd.org.ku> writes

As the newsgroup's resident troll, I am not supposed to post
here any more.:

In message <1j6sim6.161fspcsijdycN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>, Sn!pe
<sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes of the appalling Follett:

>IMO it's his condescending manner so liberally larded with obsolete
>attitudes that offends

I'm right behind you one hundred and ten percent on that one. Yep -- my
attitudes are unbelievably obsolete. It's quite wrong of me to express
misgivings about Mr Brown's and treasury's wonderful modern reforms.

Yes -- the idea that I was wrong to be disturbed by the spectacle of a
Latvian girl dying a horrible, lonely death on a vomit-splattered
sidewalk in a dark alley outside a nightclub is spot on. I ought to take
your modern, with-it approach and tell myself that the concept of
'external crime' is the smart way forward.

Any disquiet I may feel about budget control of 'hate crime' and the
proliferation of hate management counselling and hate management
counsellors is wholly misplaced. I should be eagerly embracing wonderful
Brownian motion modern thinking of on such matters and not really be
giving a fuck. That woman and her daughter who took their own lives as a
result of bullying because they couldn't be bothered to tap the right
budget deserved to die.

I'm so glad that we're thinking on the same wavelength and I crave
forgiveness for the offence that my obsolete attitudes have caused.

> as he casts his provocative ground-bait into
>the placid mill-pond that is uk.misc. In other words,
> he's a troll.

Placid mill-ponds tend to be stagnant. No denying I'm a troll though,
but not a very good one. How many folk spotted my dreadful lie about
Baird's jam-making exploits? Or my ludicrous assertion that methane was
odourless when we all know that marsh gas stinks to low heaven?

>I saw somebody carrying a Follett novel the other day but it was by Ken.
>It was only a paperback though, so I don't suppose it matters much.

It matters very much! I never licence paperback distribution of my books
now apart from a very few trade paperbacks.


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James Follett. http://www.powcorp.com/title/view/401/ice
http://www.screendaily.com/5007287.article
<http://www.trueblood-online.com/cast-crew/stephen-moyer/stephen-moyer-to-be-
in-powers-ice/> www.james-follett.co.uk

bof

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:50:50 PM12/13/09
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In message <87y6l6n...@news2.kororaa.com>, August West
<aug...@kororaa.com> writes

>
>The entity calling itself Dave Budd wrote:
>>
>> In article <1janz0g.6xzha610hjerkN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
>> sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>>>
>>> Formerly MIA Shedi Rusty Hinge has recently returned to the Shed,
>>> causing the slaughter of a fatted calf and all that. Anyway, Rusty's
>>> xposted a couple of threads into misc, he seems to like it here.
>>
>> Oh, I've seen all that, that's only 2 groups.
>
>Parts of the thread were to 3 groups.

>
>> I might push the xpost filter up to 3, maybe.
>
>Do that, and add a few specific troll groups to the kill file.

Yes, I moved from 3+ to 4+ a while back, with shitloads of specifics,
seems tuned to my needs, though I must get round to writing an ALL CAPS
subject rule.

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bof at bof dot me dot uk

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bof

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Dec 13, 2009, 2:37:59 PM12/13/09
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In message <86ocm2f...@kennel.dogslobber.demon.co.uk>, Patrick
Hardlentil <dontmakemefet...@dogslobber.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>And bof <nothi...@hotmail.com> was like:

>
>> Yes, I moved from 3+ to 4+ a while back, with shitloads of
>> specifics, seems tuned to my needs, though I must get round to
>> writing an ALL CAPS subject rule.
>
>With an exception for HORSE threads, natch?

Natch^2

Lou Ravi

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:22:46 PM12/13/09
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August West wrote:
> The entity calling itself Dave Budd wrote:
>>
>>> Formerly MIA Shedi Rusty Hinge has recently returned to the Shed,
>>> causing the slaughter of a fatted calf and all that. Anyway, Rusty's
>>> xposted a couple of threads into misc, he seems to like it here.
>>
>> Oh, I've seen all that, that's only 2 groups.
>
> Parts of the thread were to 3 groups.
>
>> I might push the xpost filter up to 3, maybe.
>
> Do that, and add a few specific troll groups to the kill file.

Well crosspoting is, according to the tenets of uk.misc, worse than not
standing for God Save the Queen. However I noticed that you posted in
another, crossposted, thread concerning some arcane stuff about
loudspeaker wire and resonance, or something of the sort. It was
fascinating. But if I had had filtered out these crossposts, which I
can't being an utter idiot who uses Outlook Express, I would never have
seen this interesting discussion. Most crossposting is shite, i agree
but it sometimes leads to interesting stuff and one can direct it
uniquely to a serious (c) group such as ukm byt removing the other
groups if it is is their thing. Besides; otherwise it is pretty dead
here most of time so even loonies help.

<Waves>


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bof

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:51:06 PM12/13/09
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In message <4b255b19$1$973$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>, Lou Ravi
<j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> writes

>August West wrote:
>> The entity calling itself Dave Budd wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <1janz0g.6xzha610hjerkN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
>>> sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>>>>
>>>> Formerly MIA Shedi Rusty Hinge has recently returned to the Shed,
>>>> causing the slaughter of a fatted calf and all that. Anyway, Rusty's
>>>> xposted a couple of threads into misc, he seems to like it here.
>>>
>>> Oh, I've seen all that, that's only 2 groups.
>>
>> Parts of the thread were to 3 groups.
>>
>>> I might push the xpost filter up to 3, maybe.
>>
>> Do that, and add a few specific troll groups to the kill file.
>
>Well crosspoting is, according to the tenets of uk.misc, worse than not
>standing for God Save the Queen.

I've been posting here a while and never got that impression. There's a
lot of interesting cross pollination comes up through the x-post;
there's an awful lot of shite generated too, but that's normally a
deliberate attempt at trolling, normally easily ignored through the
judicious use of KF.

God Save the Queen; we mean it maaan.

Lou Ravi

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:35:42 PM12/13/09
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Jaf wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>> worse than not
>> standing for God Save the Queen.
>
> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.

Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they go and
get another cold beer from the fridge.

> Roll on the Republic.

Right on brother.


Marcus Houlden

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:39:01 PM12/13/09
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, Lou Ravi <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr>
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> God Save the Queen

What from?

mh.
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Matthew Vernon

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:57:06 PM12/13/09
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Dave Budd <da...@davebudd.org.ku> writes:

> I keep seeing headers but the articles get chucked by my filters, are
> you all crossposting to more than 2 groups?

My scorefile has been eating a lot recently, too. Lots of cross-posts.

Matthew

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james

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:57:28 PM12/13/09
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In message <j5nai5lif802t5gop...@4ax.com>, Jaf
<ana...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> writes

>On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
><j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>>worse than not
>>standing for God Save the Queen.
>
>Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>
>Roll on the Republic.

No thanks. The power vested in the monarch is power denied to
others.

Richard Robinson

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Dec 13, 2009, 7:41:52 PM12/13/09
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Lou Ravi said:
> Jaf wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> worse than not
>>> standing for God Save the Queen.
>>
>> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>
> Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they

... get out the door before it starts.

Richard Robinson

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Dec 13, 2009, 7:43:34 PM12/13/09
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Marcus Houlden said:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, Lou Ravi <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr>
> wrote the following to uk.misc:
>
>> God Save the Queen
>
> What from?

The Unruly Scots ?

Steve Terry

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Dec 13, 2009, 10:23:06 PM12/13/09
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"Marcus Houlden" <sp...@nukesoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnhiar8...@neutron.nukesoft.co.uk...

> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, Lou Ravi <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr>
> wrote the following to uk.misc:
>
>> God Save the Queen
>
> What from?
> mh.
>
>
From the true Stuart descendent and rightful king of England who lives in
Australia

Steve Terry


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Eleanor Blair

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Dec 14, 2009, 6:29:41 AM12/14/09
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Lou Ravi wrote:
>standing for God Save the Queen.

I'd rather jump about to it. Or was that not the version you had in mind?

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Esra Sdrawkcab

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:38:56 AM12/14/09
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:56:44 -0000, August West <aug...@kororaa.com> wrote:

>
> The entity calling itself Jaf wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:35:42 +0100, "Lou Ravi"

>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>> Jaf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> worse than not standing for God Save the Queen.
>>>>
>>>> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>>>
>>> Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they go and
>>> get another cold beer from the fridge.
>>

>> No, they tend to have their fridges within reach, so no standing is
>> required.
>
> Or they don't keep their beer in fridges, but in a cool, but not cold,
> place.
>
12-14C is the proper cellar temperature:
http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=180651

unfortunately publicans are encouraged to keep it lower
http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?storyCode=52475
(10-12)

and then you have the Extra Cold nonsense


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Esra Sdrawkcab

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:41:36 AM12/14/09
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:39:01 -0000, Marcus Houlden <sp...@nukesoft.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, Lou Ravi <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr>
> wrote the following to uk.misc:
>
>> God Save the Queen
>
> What from?
>
> mh.

republicans, of course.

(Publicans are another matter)

james

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Dec 14, 2009, 8:48:36 AM12/14/09
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In message <v8ubi5tt3tqmc8a87...@4ax.com>, Jaf
<ana...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> writes
>On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:28 +0000, james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:

>
>> The power vested in the monarch is power denied to
>>others.
>
>That stupid remark just shows how little you know about it.
>The monarch's 'power' is wielded by the Pry Monster.
>See http://tinyurl.com/yeny5dp
>(http://www.republic.org.uk/What%20we%20believe/In%20dep
>th/The%20British%20Constitution/index.php)
>to gain a modicum of understanding.

Oh my God. Another link from a web warrior out to prove the imherent
truth in the saying that a wise man speaks when he has something to say,
and others speak because they have to say something. I rank your
priceless pearl of a riposte alongside a remarkable mind that impelled
you to call me a Hypocritic for daring to criticise the likes of Robert
Mugabe and others because I'd accepted their schilling!

I've no idea what a Pry Monster is. I'll hazard a guess that you're
using some sort of group dynamic jargon for the prime minister to show
your mates that you're a part of their dubious lad culture. No matter
how many links you parade like a dung beetle proudly displaying lumps of
sun-baked petrified camel turds as dubious evidence of your industry in
trying to prove the veracity of your strange thinking, nothing can
change the fact of the underling truth in my comment that power vested
in the Monarch is power denied to others.

I'm surprised that anyone should think that the prime minister has any
real administrative power in England today. That's in its rightful
place: the alliance of treasury and foreign.

Brenda's power is such that she once stopped Michael Hestletine's
oddball plans for the post office, killing them dead in its tracks at a
PC meeting with a withering: 'Oh no you won't, Mr Hestletine.' It was a
comment that made the other right hons realise who was really in charge.
She also delayed the silly hunting with dogs bill for so long that in
the end the upper house gave the nod to an unworkable piece of
legislation that gave the carry on as usual green light to the hunting
lobby.

Today Liam Byrne holds more power than Gordon Brown. He dished our new
airline routes and runways on the day that GB whibblied the usual crap
about climate change.

Treasury has absolute and incontrovertible power of veto over the
cabinet which it largely ignores. The contempt that treasury office have
for the cabinet office is well-known. Treasury and their mates at
foreign are Trinity House and Balliol first class honours men in
philosophy etc -- an elite clique determined to ensure that the UK
remains a world power -- whereas cabinet are regarded as a bunch of
loudmouth grammar school oinks with a predilection for shagging anything
they can lay their hands on.

Recent examples of treasury use of their veto was when a new Labour
government had the spiffing wheeze of a crime prevention initiative by
empowering local authorities to impose and enforce curfews on miscreant
kiddiwinks. A great idea! Trebles all round! Bloody expensive, though.
Trouble is no one thought to square it with treasury so that when local
authorities approached them for financial cover, they were told what to
do smartish. As far as I know, the idea was stillborn, has never been
seriously implemented by any local authority, and heralded a whole
series of Labour's spiffing wheeze notions that were dead in the water
because treasury so decided.

Best of all was when, in 1999, the Blair suddenly took it into his
muddled head that the UK should embrace the euro. In a keynote speech he
even announced a timetable for the abolition of sterling. Trouble is
that the Blair didn't appraise treasury of his mad cap scheme and they
killed it stone dead. Can't have grammar school tykes deciding that the
currency of the huns, frogs, and assorted dago countries with their
wretched olive oil economies is suitable for England!

Going back a few years, the Major government had an embarrassing
community tax shortfall. Norman Lamont sounded out his treasury PS on
the release of strategic war reserve funds to bridge the gap. About a
month later, when the PS stopped laughing, he told cabinet to piss off,
and Lamont had to recover the missing dosh by bunging 2-1/2 per cent on
the standard rate of VAT. No way were treasury going to upset foreign by
dipping into their strategic funds to bail out the feeble Major
government. According to John Major's biography, on the notorious day
when interest rates were ratcheted up to around 15 per cent, Norman
Lamont, supposedly the government's conduit with treasury, had no idea
what was going on and couldn't even be found!

Pinning down the source of treasury power, which has been remarkably
variable over the last half century, needs a far more competent
political commentator than me although I'm no slouch. C P Snow is a good
start but hardly
up-to-date and even he could not have envisaged the incredible power
that treasury have today. In general when a government is strong,
treasury is weak; when government is weak, treasury is strong. I don't
mean strong or weak government in terms of backbenchers' bums on seats
sense, but in vision, drive, decisiveness and initiative. The UK has
suffered two relatively weak, indecisive governments: Major and Blair.
Treasury have gleefully expanded their influence to fill the lassitude
vacuum with the result that cabinet is now impotent and is not even
called upon to vote on anything. Cabinet had no knowledge of the merger
between Customs and Excise and Revenue until Gordon Brown stood up in
parliament about three years ago to announce it. Customs was an ancient,
efficient and largely incorruptible government department and yet it was
swept aside on the whim of treasury without any parliamentary debate or
cabinet decision-making.

It's hard to pin down the genesis of this present power seizure but
going back to an historic agreement nearly half a century ago in Bermuda
between Harold Macmillan and President Kennedy marks as good a starting
point as any. It was an extraordinary treaty because it resulted in
America selling nuclear arms delivery and maintenance systems to a
trusted ally. This was unheard of then and it still is today. But for
foreign and treasury it was a trebles all round decision because it
enabled the UK to remain in the nuclear club whilst clinging to its
prized permanent seat on the UN Security Council without having to
retain a costly R and D nuclear weapons programme.

To understand why foreign and treasury hold a permanent UN seat so dear
with Brenda backing them is because of the tremendous political clout
they perceive it carries.
The five members are deemed world powers, with the UK among them. That
matters very much to the oxbridge guard.

The tacit agreement with the US has been that the UK should always side
with the US in the UN on important issues, abstain on lesser issue, and
never ever use the veto against the US.

There wasn't much of a threat to treasury's power until Harold Wilson
got thoroughly pissed off with them for scuppering (among other wheezes)
his land commission and option mortgage schemes -- bold ideas for
acquiring building land and providing first home buyers with cheap
mortgages. No way were treasury going to let a cabinet destabilise the
property market; the ideas never got off the ground.

Harold Wilson's bright counter idea to thwart treasury was to set up his
own rival treasury -- the Department of Economic Affairs. For a while
the UK had two treasuries! Unfortunately for Harold he made the grievous
mistake of putting an ignorant, bullying, vain drunkard in charge of his
brainchild. The appointment of George-Brown was a sop to old labour but
treasury mandarins could out-think and out-smart such an incredible
dullard with little effort. A few inspired leaks to lobby correspondents
about George-Brown's boorish, drunken behaviour and he was finished.

NB: History was to repeat itself when
Tony Blair appointed the appalling John
Prescott as deputy prime minister. Treasury
could hardly believe their luck in being
handed on a plate such an oafish, utterly
repulsive, bullying slug for them to sideline
and out-smart without trying. As with George-
Brown, a few words in the right lobby
correspondent ears on leads to follow-up
and Prescott was finished.


Things continued reasonably smoothly until Margaret Thatcher became PM.
The worrying aspect about Maggie's reign was that she was in power for
so long that civil service middle management saw her administration as
having more influence over their careers than their immediate superiors.
Particularly when she shook treasury by vetoing proposals to join the
exchange rate mechanism. Nevertheless throughout most of her time in
power Nigel Lawson was chancellor -- the longest-serving chancellor
until Gordon Brown. Prime Ministers rarely sack chancellors because it
undermines City and foreign market confidence -- much better to behave
in a manner calculated to push them into resigning such as Mrs T
retaining Sir Alan Walters as her personal economic advisor. A risky
strategy. Mrs T's authority never really recovered from the
mild-mannered Geoffrey Howe's hard-hitting resignation speech.

Treasury power was shaken but not seriously undermined because through
most of her reign Mrs T never had an inkling that the UK was shadowing
the W. German mark. In his biography 'The View From No 11' Lawson had no
regrets, and certainly no qualms, that this vital information was
withheld from her.

By and large treasury went on consolidating their power throughout the
1980s and 90s, focusing most of their cuts on internal policing in the
belief that the English are inherently honest and that society doesn't
require much policing. All went reasonably well until President-Elect
Clinton learned about the UK's clandestine and never fully explained
role in CREP -- the campaign to re-elect President Bush. Clinton, to
coin a cliche, went ballistic. His immediate reaction was to get the UK
tossed out of it's permanent seat on the UN security council along with
France -- whom he never trusted anyway. Clinton's view was that the UK
and France represented the old guard. The future was in the hands of the
two major economic powers of Germany and Japan.

The state department panicked, as did foreign and treasury. State told
Clinton the blunt truth that neither Japan or Germany had the stomachs
or constitutions for serious wog-killing whereas the UK and France had
long traditions of not only killing stroppy wogs, but doing so with
efficient relish. State eventually persuaded Clinton that the US could
not afford to lose the support of the UK and France in the inevitable
eruptions in the long-festering conflict between democracy and mad
mullah mohammedanism. In terms of standing armies, France and the UK
were the big hitters of Europe which were certain to be needed in
future. Clinton eventually relented.

Treasury breathed again and quietly buried their plans to make massive
reductions in the British Armed forces. The old guard in treasury got
their way. They had always maintained that the only way for the UK to
finance a big hitting military force without taxation levels that could
lead to internal instability was to slash the UK's internal policing
force. Within a decade the sheer level of the cuts was astounding.

Court police -- thousands of court bailiffs and clerks to justices staff
sacked. Fine an Englishman and he'll pay-up was treasury belief,
especially if backed up by aggressively worded threats. Internal
policing of society using court staff was not required. If required,
then there was always the private sector.

NB: The incredible short-sightedness of
this policy struck home in the closing
years of the Major administration when
treasury, always keen to come up with
cheap methods of increasing revenue,
hit upon the bright wheeze of gearing fines
to peoples income. They sponsored a
criminal justice bill with that in mind.
To work the system had to depend on the
honesty of criminals concerning their
Income because the courts no longer had
the staff to check the statements of
felons. When this was pointed out to
treasury they took the view that most
citizens were honest in what they told
the courts and that there was no need
to even consider a return to old system.
Naturally the whole cock-eyed system fell
apart once people spotted the glaring
hole. In my case, by careful selection
of a time-slice to determine my income,
the wonderful treasury formula meant
that a speeding fine cost me a mere GBP3!
A retired teacher of my acquaintance had
to stump up GBP2! 'Surely they'll check!' she
protested. 'I'm sure they won't,' I retorted.
All over the country court revenues fell to zilt.


About 5000 roadside vehicle inspectors sacked. Most haulage operators
were trustworthy, thought treasury, therefore internal policing of this
aspect of society
was hardly required.

Thousands of EU-required abattoir veterinary inspectors sacked by the
simple expedient of leaning on DEFRA and getting abattoirs shut. Farmers
were upright citizens
who were unlikely to take advantage of an unpoliced
system. Ho. Ho. That policy led to DEFRA being so short
staffed that they could no longer administer a foot and mouth crisis as
happened in 2000 and, as a result, a panicking government had to call in
the army to provide the management skills that DEFRA no longer had. That
particular F&M debacle cost around a staggering GBP89 billion.

About 5000 VAT inspectors and excise officers sacked -- a figure that
was further increased when Customs and Excise and Inland Revenue were
merged. After all, most registered VAT traders and travellers were
upright, honest citizens, therefore such a high level of internal
policing was hardly required. Likewise thousands of tax inspectors were
given the heave-ho. It's all self-assessment now, innit? Another name
for self-policing.

NB: The consequences of this particular piece of vandalism rumble on: a
recent issue of Private Eye (16th August 2006) points out the disastrous
consequences of a further sacking of some 200 tax evasion investigators.
Getting rid of these specialists saved about GBP20
million per annum. Lost revenue as a result was around GBP100 million.

Offices, shops, factory inspectors sacked. Very few shops had to be
closed down as a result of inspections therefore the owners of offices,
shops and railway premises were fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens
who scrupulous observed the provisions of the OSRP Act therefore
policing them and their premises was not required.

Local authorities have been subjected to ludicrous pressures to carry
out massive cuts in their police forces. Police stations closed, cell
blocks closed. The cuts have now reached the point where many police
forces, such as Hull, have decided to virtually pull out of street
policing altogether. Treasury's plans to axe another 50,000 police
officers by merging police forces have been stalled. A temporary
set-back for them.

Hardly any police forces have been able to retain their fraud squads.
There's no need for them -- most people are honest, aren't they? And
those suspected of running major swindles can be dealt by Serious Fraud.

South West Trains and other franchise holders have had to give up
prosecuting many fare-dodgers because treasury pushed for a scale of
charges for calling in transport police -- 'incident attendance fees'.
It's cheaper for revenue protection employees to merely issue a warning
and to let the miscreants go. That crazy situation has gotten so bad
that when there's a major security alert at airports that results in
flight cancellations, BAA, BA, the transport police all end up suing
each other over increased costs or lost revenue.

Scales of charges for services have created a ludicrous system in which
one service, which is part of the infra-structure of the country, ends
up making another service pay for an essential service.

To quote one bizarrely example: the soon to be sold forensic service
were required to start operating at a profit. Treasury imposed a scale
of forensic charges on police forces: so much to examine and report on a
shoe; so much for a pair of knickers.

God knows how many immigration officers have been sacked. Home have been
so harried into getting rid of many prison admin staff that prison
calendars are no longer properly maintained and, as a result, prisons no
longer know exactly who to expect or when to release them! The system is
not merely on the brink of collapse, it has collapsed.

HM Customs and Excise Intelligence Unit BR17 (at Concorde 2000, South
Terminal Gatwick), a unit that played a vital role in stemming drugs
flooding into the country, has virtually ceased to exist. There're two
blokes on duty now 9 to 5 Monday to Friday. Sadly this manning level is
fairly typical of all UK ports now.

When New Labour came to power in 1997 they immediately locked horns with
old guard treasury. Treasury simply tossed their head and sent the
grammar school oinks of New labour sprawling in the dust. One of New
Labour's early wheezes was 'Rip Off Britain' (anyone remember it?) -- a
plan to expose some of the commercial rackets. Labour planned to stamp
on the toes of many companies that were treasury's source of valuable
directorships and emoluments. The idea was sat on -- firmly.

SIR HUMPHREY: Treasury will warmly welcome
the idea, prime minister.

JIM HACKER: (Worriedly) What does that mean?

SIR HUMPF: They will say that it's a bold
and courageous initiative.
That it needs careful looking at
from all angles--

JIM HACKER: (resigned) Meaning they'll kill
it.

SIR HUMPF: And that a full and frank review
report is needed to consider
all the ramifications.

JIM HACKER: How long will that take?

SIR HUMPF: About two years.

JIM HACKER: (despondently) They'll kill it.

SIR HUMPF: Stone dead, prime minister.


Although written many years earlier, the above is exactly what happened
when Ken Livingston appointed a high-flying American, Bob Kilney, to
become chairman of London Regional Transport. Kilney had transformed the
New York subway from a creaky, rundown service to a sleek, modern mass
transport system that offered cheap fares. He wanted to do the same for
the London underground. His plan was simple: to raise the necessary
GBP10 billion needed by an undated bond issue. Undated meant that the
dosh would never be repaid, the percentage
yield for such an issue could be fixed at an attractive ten percent.
Pension funds, looking for such a
yield in perpetuity, would be certain to climb aboard as they had done
in New York.

Never mind that it was a sound idea that had worked and would've kept
ownership of the tube in public hands -- a plan that No 10 favoured --
treasury saw a bond issue hoovering up GBP10 billion as a direct threat
to their gilt market. With the connivance of Stephen Byers, treasury put
in place a hideously complicated scheme for multiple ownership of the
tube with responsibilities divided between three separate companies.

On a BBC TV programme Bob Kilney said that he couldn't understand why
his attempts to do something positive
about the transport system of one of the world's largest cities met with
such implacable hostility from
treasury. Several times he had requested a meeting with Gordon Brown and
the requests had always been turned
down. Bob Kilney never did understand the fear that he had inspired in
treasury. ('For God's sake, my office is only two miles from Gordon
Brown's office!'). He was tough fighter. Thankfully for treasury, much
of that fight was kicked out of him by the death of his wife and two
children in a car accident.

And you still think the PM has power? Think again. Brenda's tactic of
leaking her displeasure of government plans to sycophant rt hon members
of the privy council through the palace press office is deadly and
effective.

--
James Follett

Willy Eckerslyke

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Esra Sdrawkcab wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:39:01 -0000, Marcus Houlden <sp...@nukesoft.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, Lou Ravi <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr>
>> wrote the following to uk.misc:
>>
>>> God Save the Queen
>>
>> What from?
>>
>> mh.
>
> republicans, of course.
>
> (Publicans are another matter)

So are pelicans.
I wonder why they haven't evolved little holes in the bottoms of their
beak pouches to let the water out. After a good day's fishing, they must
be so sodden they can barely take off.

Rusty Hinge

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Huge wrote:

> On 2009-12-13, Dave Budd <da...@davebudd.org.ku> wrote:
>> I keep seeing headers but the articles get chucked by my filters, are
>> you all crossposting to more than 2 groups?
>> Or are you all a bit quiet lately and I'm seeing slightly elevated
>> troll activity?
>
> I had assumed the latter. Other than the moaning and bleating of the
> trolls, there's been no activity here for several days, that I've seen.
>
We've all been talking about drooly (and dopy) hi-fi, and that thread
.'Should I buy it?' or very similar, is crossposted everywhere.

If I'd got my head round Thunderbum's filters I would have misc-ed it TAAAW

--
Rusty

Rusty Hinge

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Sn!pe wrote:
> Dave Budd <da...@davebudd.org.ku> wrote:
>
>> I keep seeing headers but the articles get chucked by my filters, are
>> you all crossposting to more than 2 groups?
>> Or are you all a bit quiet lately and I'm seeing slightly elevated
>> troll activity?
>
> Formerly MIA Shedi Rusty Hinge has recently returned to the Shed,
> causing the slaughter of a fatted calf and all that. Anyway, Rusty's
> xposted a couple of threads into misc, he seems to like it here.
>
Not, I think, initiated by myself, I think/goove.

--
Rusty

Rusty Hinge

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Lou Ravi wrote:

> <Waves>
>

<loony="sevaW>

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Rusty Hinge

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August West wrote:
> The entity calling itself Jaf wrote:

>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:35:42 +0100, "Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>> Jaf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> worse than not standing for God Save the Queen.
>>>> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>>> Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they go and
>>> get another cold beer from the fridge.
>> No, they tend to have their fridges within reach, so no standing is
>> required.
>
> Or they don't keep their beer in fridges, but in a cool, but not cold,
> place.
>
Ah, you have restored my belief in Miscreants.

--
Rusty
(Who today was in the King's Head in Magdalen Street, in the fine city
of Naaaardge. No gassed-up beer there...)

Rusty Hinge

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Richard Robinson wrote:
> Marcus Houlden said:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, Lou Ravi <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr>
>> wrote the following to uk.misc:
>>
>>> God Save the Queen
>> What from?
>
> The Unruly Scots ?
>
Oy! I'm half ruly though.

--
Rusty

Willy Eckerslyke

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Dec 14, 2009, 9:59:37 AM12/14/09
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Rusty Hinge wrote:
> August West wrote:
>> The entity calling itself Jaf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:35:42 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>> Jaf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> worse than not standing for God Save the Queen.
>>>>> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>>>> Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they go
>>>> and get another cold beer from the fridge.
>>> No, they tend to have their fridges within reach, so no standing is
>>> required.
>>
>> Or they don't keep their beer in fridges, but in a cool, but not cold,
>> place.
>>
> Ah, you have restored my belief in Miscreants.

It's the keeping aspect that I have problems with.

BTW, Lidl (or is it Aldi?) currently have Hob-Goblin at a quid a bockle.

Rusty Hinge

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:05:09 AM12/14/09
to
I might get something going here...

...having a fairly close connection with the Rolly Fambly through couins
not unrelated to the late Queen Mum on one side, and direct descent from
kings of Scotland on the other.

Anyone want to join me in the Vanguard under my Standard?

--
Rusty Crown

Rusty Hinge

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I thought they had - mind you, there's a fair amount of tubing betwixt.

--
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:56:44 +0000, August West <aug...@kororaa.com>

wrote the following to uk.misc:

>


> The entity calling itself Jaf wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:35:42 +0100, "Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>Jaf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> worse than not standing for God Save the Queen.
>>>>
>>>> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>>>
>>>Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they go and
>>>get another cold beer from the fridge.
>>
>> No, they tend to have their fridges within reach, so no standing is
>> required.
>
> Or they don't keep their beer in fridges, but in a cool, but not cold,
> place.

Would it be mean of me to describe that as an air fridge?

Richard Robinson

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And in that case I'm only guaranteed 1/4 unruly. But hey, no-one said they
get a monopoly on it.

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Truncating it does wonders.


> I wonder why they haven't evolved little holes in the bottoms


Just don't stand under 'em when they do take off.

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Esra Sdrawkcab

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Lidl it was - also 5% Pedi & SN Bish's Finger

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Rusty Hinge

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That's a Lidl more than it is usually...

They (Lidl) often hve good bockled beer at (fairly) reasonable prices. I
stocked up with Late Red last time I saw it there.

Their more expensive (by about a squid) Aussie Shiraz is pretty good.

--
Rusty

Richard Robinson

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Sn!pe said:

> Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> >>>> God Save the Queen
>> >>> What from?
>> >>
>> >> The Unruly Scots ?
>> >>
>> > Oy! I'm half ruly though.
>>
>> And in that case I'm only guaranteed 1/4 unruly. But hey, no-one said they
>
> I will be mortified if I'm numbered amongst the ruly.

Ah, splendid. We have a volunteer to do the counting.

Rusty Hinge

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Dec 14, 2009, 2:42:48 PM12/14/09
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Sn!pe wrote:

> james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I've no idea what a Pry Monster is.
>
> He's good value, this one; just the job for in here.
>
He'd have been a fine plaything in the Shed two or three years ago.

--
Rusty

Dave Budd

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In article <87ljh5m...@news2.kororaa.com>, aug...@kororaa.com
says...
> You have to keep it somewhere - you can't drink it all at once.

>
> > BTW, Lidl (or is it Aldi?) currently have Hob-Goblin at a quid a
> > bockle.
>
> Aldi, I think.

One or other of them usually has either Hobgobln or some other Wychwood
beer at a quid a bottle.
Our local microbrewery has an oatmeal stout I must get a few bottles of
for the festive season. 8.6% - strong but not silly.
"
We tie the labels on the bottles so it is easier for them to be cleaned
at the brewery.
We have re-used 17,000 bottles since April 2009.
"

Lou Ravi

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Dec 14, 2009, 3:37:40 PM12/14/09
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Jaf wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:48:36 +0000, james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> wise man speaks when he has something to say,
>> and others speak because they have to say something.
>
> 391 lines, to prove that you fit nicely into the latter category.
>
> Well done.

What's the matter with you people? I read James' posts, I find them well
written, thoughtful and ofen humorous. For some strange reason which
I've never understood and cannot understand from what I've read in his
posts, there is a vendetta against him. It is very curious and, IMO,
very silly, because his posts could lead to interesting discussions
rather than glib rejections as a matter of habit.


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Steve Firth

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Dec 14, 2009, 4:32:18 PM12/14/09
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Dave Budd <da...@davebudd.org.ku> wrote:

> One or other of them usually has either Hobgobln or some other Wychwood
> beer at a quid a bottle.

Yes, I know. I went to see my nephew for Nov 5 - he laid on an excellent
firework display. We had a whip round to get some beers in and another
nephew offered to go get. I suggest that he visit one of the Kraut shops
to get in real beer at cheap prices.

He returned with the message that they had no real beer, just funny name
stuff like Weizenbier and Hobgoblin so he'd gone to Tesco and got
Strongbow and Stella. <AaaarrrggghhhhhhHH!>

Never send a child to do mens' work.

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Dec 14, 2009, 6:29:09 PM12/14/09
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In message <0v8di5t52g2l8f6ii...@4ax.com>, Jaf
<ana...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> writes

>On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:37:40 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
><j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>> there is a vendetta against him.
>
>No, there isn't.
>
>I only speak for myself (the pnony (WOCDNE) can speak for
>its/them-selves),but I dislike braggadocio and self-aggrandisement,
>and logorrhea disguised as eloquence.

I always choose my words with care. You can produce no evidence that I
indulge in any of those characteristics other than in a jocular manner
and even if I did, So what? All that proves is that the group dynamic of
the English dislike of trumpet-blowing is something that irritates the
zero-achievers is almost functioning in this newsgroup. Actually I'm
rather proud of my record of achievements. By sheer grit and iron will I
learned to walk again after a crippling stroke. I overcame blindness by
learning Braille and Moon, I taught myself to read and write and became
a journalist. Then I wrote about 20 fast-selling rather medicro books
that have sold about two million books and have been translated in
several languages, one is being made into a movie at this moment with
budget of about USD15M, and I've taken a number of rundown properties
and turned them into useful homes. I've even got a street named after
me! My flaw is to get bored with shining at one career and to try my
talent at another.

And what have you achieved JaF? What does your Wikipedia entry have to
say about you? Were such a thing to exist would you be proud of it
saying that your specialist subject is to spew a vituperative stream of
venomous carpet-chewing hatred directed at someone who has done you no
harm whatsoever? That you're so eaten up with corrosive emotions you
were even once moved by spite to call him a hypocrite. If you're proud
of such remarkable achievements if makes me appreciate my good fortune
to be so hated by such a person as yourself.

JF

--
new website at www.james-follett.co.uk

"A potent and exploitable human force is the envy of the ignorant, the idle and
the unfortunate for those who are industrious and successful." Eric Fromm I
think

Richard Robinson

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Patrick Hardlentil said:
> And Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> was like:

>> Lou Ravi said:
>>> Jaf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> worse than not standing for God Save the Queen.
>>>>
>>>> Not standing for GSTQ is pretty much de rigeur in uk.misc.
>>>
>>> Oh come on Jaf, people always stand for GSTQ, that's when they
>>
>> ... get out the door before it starts.
>
> For a long time I used to go to bed just as R4 was closing down. I
> hated "GSTQ" because I always thought the penultimate cymbal clash was
> mistimed (and the tune is rubbish). I became world record-holder at
> turning off the radio and turning it back on just in time for the pips
> before the World Service news - just like in "Pick-Up Song". My life
> wasn't all like that, though. Some of it was quite dull.

And, ah ! the infinite subtleties of the freshly applied colourings, as they
slowly lose their moisture to the cruel ravages of the unheeding atmosphere.

Steve Terry

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"Willy Eckerslyke" <oss108...@bangor.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:7on26qF...@mid.individual.net...

> Rusty Hinge wrote:
>> August West wrote:
>>> The entity calling itself Jaf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:35:42 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>>>> Jaf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:46 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
>>>>>> <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
<snip>

> BTW, Lidl (or is it Aldi?) currently have Hob-Goblin at a quid a bockle.
>
>
quid a bockle?

I think you've already had too much

Steve Terry
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Steve Terry

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"james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:CbiCZvH0...@marage.demon.co.uk...
> In message <v8ubi5tt3tqmc8a87...@4ax.com>, Jaf
> <ana...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> writes
>>On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:28 +0000, james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk>
>>wrote:
<snip>
> Treasury has absolute and incontrovertible power of veto over the
> cabinet which it largely ignores. The contempt that treasury office have
> for the cabinet office is well-known. Treasury and their mates at
> foreign are Trinity House and Balliol first class honours men in
> philosophy etc -- an elite clique determined to ensure that the UK
> remains a world power -- whereas cabinet are regarded as a bunch of
> loudmouth grammar school oinks with a predilection for shagging anything
> they can lay their hands on.
>
>
It's those first class honours men in philosophy, etc. at Treasury that have
destroyed our economy by letting the banks have free reign.

So much for having first class degrees, High IQ's but not an ounce of sense
(or responsibility)

Nor it would seem degrees in history, or they might have learnt from
FD Roosevelt's banking controls of the mid 1930's. Which we need
again, but this time don't have political strongmen like FDR to have
the guts to implement them

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Willy Eckerslyke

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Dave Budd wrote:

>>> BTW, Lidl (or is it Aldi?) currently have Hob-Goblin at a quid a
>>> bockle.
>> Aldi, I think.

It was Lidl, but perhaps both.

> One or other of them usually has either Hobgobln or some other Wychwood
> beer at a quid a bottle.
> Our local microbrewery has an oatmeal stout I must get a few bottles of
> for the festive season. 8.6% - strong but not silly.
> "
> We tie the labels on the bottles so it is easier for them to be cleaned
> at the brewery.
> We have re-used 17,000 bottles since April 2009.
> "

Respect due.

Dave Budd

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In article <7op1qcF...@mid.individual.net>,
oss108...@bangor.ac.uk says...
>
> Respect due.


I miss Stufa

james

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In message <eliei59m1a8mj5jgu...@4ax.com>, Jaf
<ana...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> writes
>On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:29:09 +0000, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
>
>[snipped, several verses of 'Look at me, I'm Wonderful'.]

Oh dear, still grinding out the old hate, JF? This old Mugabe-loving
hypocrite has pointed out on many occasions that he always chooses his
words with care. Read what I wrote with equal care instead of what your
understandable
hatred of me has led you into thinking I may have written and you will
make the amazing shock, horror discovery that I never wrote 'Look at me.
I'm wonderful'. I didn't write it in verse form -- either blank or with
metre, or send the sentiments via telepathy, or smoke signals, or tribal
drums. Nothing other than plain English. Delve really deep into my plain
text and you will discover something that will knock you backwards so
hard that not even your best friends or Robert Mugabe will recognise
you. I used the word 'mediocre' to describe my work during what I regard
as a wasted period of my remarkable multi-facetted career.

Yes -- it's really there. 'Mediocre' is in most decent dictionaries. It
means only of average quality. It's an adjective that many really do
need to learn as a matter of some urgency because its liable to be
chipped into their headstones.

In another post you expressed a dislike of self-aggrandisement. Being
English that's a hate emotion I can sympathise with. The English love
failure and hate trumpet blowing which is why English publicity agents
do so well. They fill the same sort of niche that the king's champions
filled in medieval times. I once used a publicity agent. Big mistake.
She was expensive, and booked me into attending functions such as
literary knees-ups and publicity events that I hated especially
functions which required me to balance canap�s in one hand and a soft
drink in the other (I never touch alcohol) while trying not to make it
too obvious that my eyes weren't really on stalks and trying to slither
down the front of the dress of some little gushing little raver.

>You just don't get it, do you?

Sorry, but you'll have to spell out exactly what it is that I don't
'get'?

>>And what have you achieved JaF?
>

>That's my business.

Lucky you. My life is filled with compendium editors of obscure guides
who think my life is public property.

Cheers and may I be the first to wish you a glorious 2011?

New website at www.james-follett.co.uk


--
James Follett

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Richard Robinson

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Patrick Hardlentil said:
> And Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> was like:
>> Patrick Hardlentil said:
>>>
>>> For a long time I used to go to bed just as R4 was closing down. I
>>> hated "GSTQ" because I always thought the penultimate cymbal clash
>>> was mistimed (and the tune is rubbish). I became world
>>> record-holder at turning off the radio and turning it back on just
>>> in time for the pips before the World Service news - just like in
>>> "Pick-Up Song". My life wasn't all like that, though. Some of it
>>> was quite dull.
>>
>> And, ah ! the infinite subtleties of the freshly applied colourings,
>> as they slowly lose their moisture to the cruel ravages of the
>> unheeding atmosphere.
>
> Oh, I know. Just thinking about it makes me indifferent to life's
> vicissitudes.

"an unheeding atmosphere" would have been better, I think.

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j

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In message <7ormpsF...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
<Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
>On 2009-12-14, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
>
>Ah, nym-shifting. James,

I've no idea what nym-shifting means. I understand very little group
dynamic jargon so would you please enlighten me.
--
James Follett.
www.james-follett.co.uk

Peter Ward

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j says...

>
> In message <7ormpsF...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
> <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
> >On 2009-12-14, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
> >
> >Ah, nym-shifting. James,
>
> I understand very little

There, that's better - you're far too verbose.

--

Peter, from outside the asylum

I'm an alien
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james

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:50:33 AM12/16/09
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In message <hg6tnv$cj7$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Steve Terry
<gfou...@tesco.net> writes

>
>"james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:CbiCZvH0...@marage.demon.co.uk...

>> Treasury has absolute and incontrovertible power of veto over the


>> cabinet which it largely ignores.

>It's those first class honours men in philosophy, etc. at Treasury that have


>destroyed our economy by letting the banks have free reign.

But banking, finance, insurance are an English success story. Many
industries have fallen by the wayside because the English aren't very
good at making things or selling things. Cars? The English have
virtually given up. Much the same with helicopters, cameras and other
technological trinkets. Even turning out children that can read and
write is proving to be such a burden that the remnants of the English
retail industry is having to give serious consideration to abolishing
cheques because dealing with them means having to find and employ
comprehensive-educated dross that can actually read and write. Mr Terry
Leahy, the boss of a chav food retail chain, recently bemoaned the fact
that they had to teach reading and writing to staff needed in offices.

But banking and finance is a different story -- full of smart,
fast-thinking, well-educated high-fliers such as Nicola Horlick and
similar fund managers who command serious salaries and bonuses. No one
ever considered paying an Austin-Rover wheel tapper the sort of salaries
that the banking fraternity are earning.

Like it or not, banking is an English success story which can be
measured by the hysteria that its success generates because the English
hate success. The Eddie Eagles and Stephen Piles of this world are the
new heroes.

--
James Follett

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AdeV

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:19:13 AM12/16/09
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j may or may not have intoned:

> In message <7ormpsF...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
> <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
> >On 2009-12-14, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
> >
> >Ah, nym-shifting. James,
>
> I've no idea what nym-shifting means. I understand very little

So very true.

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Richard Tobin

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:10:21 AM12/16/09
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>I've no idea what nym-shifting means.

I would have thought a man of your education would have little trouble
working it out.

-- Richard
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Marcus Houlden

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:05:18 PM12/16/09
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On 16 Dec 2009 12:10:21 GMT, Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> In article <JGEt60AC...@marage.demon.co.uk>, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
>
>>I've no idea what nym-shifting means.
>
> I would have thought a man of your education would have little trouble
> working it out.

If only that education had included a period at charm school.

mh.
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james

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:24:22 PM12/16/09
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In message <MPG.2592e8b9d...@news.enta.net>, Peter Ward
<m...@privacy.net> writes

>j says...
>>
>> In message <7ormpsF...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
>> <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
>> >On 2009-12-14, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
>> >
>> >Ah, nym-shifting. James,
>>
>> I understand very little
>
>There, that's better - you're far too verbose.

No -- it's not better. I choose my words with care. What actually said
was: "I understand very little group dynamic jargon so would you please
enlighten me." Please try to cope with what I actually wrote rather than
what you thought I wrote. My average Gunning index is around 7 therefore
that shouldn't be too difficult.

--
James Follett.

james

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:13:54 PM12/16/09
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In message <hgaind$1cpi$1...@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
<ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes

>In article <JGEt60AC...@marage.demon.co.uk>, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
>
>>I've no idea what nym-shifting means.
>
>I would have thought a man of your education would have little trouble
>working it out.

An unsound assumption. I've no idea what nym-shifting means. JF

Dead Mangled Pigeon

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:57:40 PM12/16/09
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"james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote

>>>I've no idea what nym-shifting means.
>>
>>I would have thought a man of your education would have little trouble
>>working it out.
>

> An unsound assumption. I've no idea where my head is. Is it up my arse?.
> Or is it up my sleeve? I'm Jeremy James Follett and I have a tongue can
> can twist your brain into smaller bits of brain. JF


STFU, James. You'll be in a home soon; then you'll want friends.


Dead Mangled Pigeon

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:59:52 PM12/16/09
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"james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote

> what you thought I wrote. My average Gumming index is around 7

Enough to scare the crap out of the hardest peeled fruit.

I'm surprised that they aren't your own, dear boy. What you lack in flossing
you make up with in gnashing.


Peter Ward

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:33:15 PM12/16/09
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james says...

>
> In message <MPG.2592e8b9d...@news.enta.net>, Peter Ward
> <m...@privacy.net> writes
> >j says...
> >>
> >> In message <7ormpsF...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
> >> <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
> >> >On 2009-12-14, j <j...@colina.es> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Ah, nym-shifting. James,
> >>
> >> I understand very little
> >
> >There, that's better - you're far too verbose.
>
> No -- it's not better.

Well, I suspect that opinion is divided on the matter, as Black Adder
once said. You think it's not, but I didn't quote what you wrote for
your benefit, so your opinion is of no concern.

> I choose my words with care.

So do I. Choose your words with care, that is.

[snip verbiage]

> My average Gunning index is around 7 therefore
> that shouldn't be too difficult.

What do you want, a round of applause?

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Matthew Vernon

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:42:57 PM12/16/09
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james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> writes:

> An unsound assumption. I've no idea what nym-shifting means. JF

Just Fucking Google It

Matthew

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Richard Robinson

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:04:11 PM12/16/09
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Patrick Hardlentil said:
> And Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> was like:
>> Patrick Hardlentil said:
>>>
>>> Oh, I know. Just thinking about it makes me indifferent to life's
>>> vicissitudes.
>>
>> "an unheeding atmosphere" would have been better, I think.
>
> I tried to get one to help, but it just ignored me.

Wouldn't stay in the tyre, for a start.

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Dead Mangled Pigeon

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:24:20 PM12/16/09
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"Cherry Chapstick" <az...@invalid.really.really> wrote

> Leaving my prejudices aside, ' nym-shifting' means to change the name
> that you post under.
>
> Mind you, I worked that out from context. I'm a little suprised that
> you are such an obtuse cunt.

Oi! We'll have less of that around here!


james

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Dec 17, 2009, 5:24:57 AM12/17/09
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In message <amtii5dm5iir36fhj...@4ax.com>, Cherry
Chapstick <az...@invalid.really.really> writes
>On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:13:54 +0000, james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:

>
>>An unsound assumption. I've no idea what nym-shifting means. JF
>
>'Nym' is one of those horrendous nuwords invented to mean 'usenet
>handle'. It's the sort of word used by those who read a book by
>Burroughs once and think that they are down wid da kidz if they
>incorporate it into their vocabulary. To be fair, I think its origins
>lie in more recent SF, but its still very wincey.

>
>Leaving my prejudices aside, ' nym-shifting' means to change the name
>that you post under.

Many thanks for explanation. It did cross my mind that the gentleman's
curious reference to nym may have been something to do with
name-changing, but, of course, I appended my real name to my post. I'm
not supposed to post to this newsgroup therefore I used a Spanish
address in the header which, I think is now moribund.
www.james-follett.co.uk is a tiny bit of a give-away which is so obvious
that I'm a little surprised that it didn't seem to amount to much of a
66-foot-long, scarlet-painted, ninety-six horsepower omnibus of a clue
for the poor chap. I go to such lengths to choose my words with care,
too! Ah well...

>
>Mind you, I worked that out from context. I'm a little suprised that

>you couldn't.

If in doubt I never hesitate to ask. The presence of my real name
certainly had me doubting the gentleman's meaning.

--
James Follett

james

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Dec 17, 2009, 4:57:02 AM12/17/09
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In message <4b296666$0$2480$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, Dead Mangled
Pigeon <qrnq_znat...@zfa.pbz> writes

You've forged was I said. I referred to a Gunning index.

What is floss and gnashing mean?

--
James Follett

james

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Dec 17, 2009, 5:39:26 AM12/17/09
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In message <MPG.25937e99e...@news.enta.net>, Peter Ward
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>james says...

>> My average Gunning index is around 7 therefore
>> that shouldn't be too difficult.
>
>What do you want, a round of applause?

No. Why should you think that I want that unless you're making a feeble
attempt at invalidation on the premise that a wise man speaks when he
has something to say; others speak because they have to say something --
even a meaningless, zero-noise flaktoid will do. I choose my words with
great care. Read my sentence above in its entirety and you will discover
that I never made such a silly invitation.

--
James Follett

Willy Eckerslyke

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Dec 17, 2009, 6:15:04 AM12/17/09
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james wrote:

> I choose my words with great care.

Strange that they're so stale then. I'd send 'em back if I were you.

Peter Ward

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:00:12 AM12/17/09
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james says...

You had nothing to say, yet you said it anyway. Your Gunning index is
of no relevance, nor is it of any interest whatsoever. I was searching
for some reason, no matter how feeble, why you might have mentioned it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have better things to do with my time.
There's some paint drying, which I suddenly feel the need to keep an eye
on.

Meanwhile, you can have the last word, you know you want to.

--

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DeadMangledPigeon

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:05:19 AM12/17/09
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"james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote

> You've forged was I said.

No. I edited what you wrote.

You should choose your words with more care.


Matthew Vernon

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:17:35 AM12/17/09
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"DeadMangledPigeon" <inv...@invalid.invalid> writes:

> "james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
> > You've forged was I said.
>

> No. I shagged your mother.

I thought you had better taste...

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Steve Terry

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:31:23 AM12/17/09
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"james" <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OxycXpFZ...@marage.demon.co.uk...
> James Follett
>
>
It's a success story that's going to turn us into a 3rd world country.

Having seen how banking is run in Scandinavian countries, what we
have makes me weep

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james

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:51:47 AM12/17/09
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In message <1jav6wz.ar51yqq62f7kN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>, Sn!pe
<sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes

>james <ja...@marage.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> 66-foot-long, scarlet-painted, ninety-six horsepower omnibus
>
>30 feet long and 97 horsepower, per F&S.

I always choose my words with care. I said nothing about my bus being a
mere 30 feet long! Read what I said over and over again! Even F&S Scale
Models (assuming you meant them) would be able to spot the difference!

--
James Follett

james

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:56:32 AM12/17/09
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In message <4b2a1e6e$0$2535$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, DeadMangledPigeon
<inv...@invalid.invalid> writes

Yes -- I do. You left my attribution carets in place in a statement
attributed to me. Sorry, me old porkie white -- it was forgery. JF

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