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715 "TOW Joey's New Brain"
Monica asks Ross to do the reading at the wedding ceremony, but he has
something special in mind. That evening, Chandler & Monica are enjoying
a posh dinner for two when they hear a dying cat parade pass along Grove
Street - which turns out to be Ross practising on a set of bagpipes! To
Monica's horror, Chandler recalls that Ross knows he's half-Scottish...
Monica tells Ross straight that he can't play at the wedding, but he
insists that she's heard him practice, not play. When Ross auditions for
his friends, Chandler & Monica remain implacable, Rachel is amused, and
of course Phoebe is totally on his wavelength & enjoys the skirl of his
piping. Ross becomes enthused & invites everyone to sing along - which
Phoebe, her eyes agleam, does in equal voice like a second chanter!
---o0o---
Admiring a handsome man in the coffee shop, Rachel opines he is too cute
to be straight, but Phoebe notes how he stares at busty regular Knockers
when she sashays past. When the guy leaves his mobile phone behind, the
girls realise he'll call it to get it back, and while they argue Rachel
grabs it since Phoebe's too slow, and Phoebe knocks it out of her hand
because Rachel's too cocky!
Rachel cleverly persuades vegetarian Phoebe to let her have the phone
since his stored numbers include a steak house, and a department store
that's also on her speed dial. However, Rachel later comes to Phoebe's
apartment to accuse her of stealing the phone from her. Phoebe denies
it, but Rachel dials the number, and Phoebe's purse starts to ring.
Phoebe hands the phone over, but when the owner calls she knocks it out
of Rachel's hand again, and arranges a date. Though Phoebe tries to use
her mom's suicide to gain sympathy, Rachel insists on being there when
the owner arrives, but he turns out to be a much older man, and Phoebe
wonders how long she & Rachel were arguing for! To Rachel's suppressed
surprise, Phoebe reckons that he's even hotter than the first man, so
she begs to be allowed to have him - and Rachel graciously agrees.
---o0o---
Joey has good news - Drake Ramoray on DOOL is to come out of his coma,
since he is receiving a new brain! Monica & Rachel are delighted until
they hear the donor will be their favourite character Jessica Lockhart,
played by top soap actress Cecilia Munro. Rachel admires her for never
finishing a drink without throwing it in someone's face, while Monica
wishes that she could slap people around like Jessica does.
Miss Munro is a soap veteran who knows every trick in the book, so she
slaps Jessica's daughter Dina across the face for real, then in a hug
she moves the actress's head to her far shoulder so her face is still
seen by the camera. Joey is most impressed by her technique, but when
he reveals that she's being written out she throws her drink in his
eyes and slaps him across his face!
After Miss Munro checks the facts, she does not blame Joey (but when
a writer passes by she instantly throws her drink in its face) so she
agrees to teach him the essence of Jessica to keep the character alive,
though he gets off to a bad start by making her voice sound English.
The essence of Jessica's character is rooted in her confidence, so Miss
Munro begins teaching Joey how to enter a room as though he owns it. He
finds her standards exacting, but Cecilia is patient with him. When she
despairs of her own future he comforts her, and she is greatly touched
when he assures her that she's still hot.
When Cecilia teaches Joey how Jessica kisses a man, she puts her hands
over most of his face so that only she's seen by the camera - but then
lust overcomes her and she grabs him properly, so they fall down onto
a nearby couch in a passionate clinch.
Next morning, Rachel is delighted to see Jessica Lockhart emerge from
Joey's bedroom, but unselfishly she rushes to fetch an ecstatic Monica
who pleads like a little girl to be slapped. Miss Munro dare not, upon
her lawyer's advice, even when Monica turns very bitchy in an attempt
to provoke her, so Joey picks up both girls and bundles them out. But
when a script comes he knows he has lines, so Jessica's end is near.
At last Jessica dies to be reborn in Drake's body, and Joey is splendid
as he makes his grand entrance - bandaged on the outside, but all woman
on the inside, and every inch of him totally *owning* the room. Cecilia
is pleased with his performance, and before she leaves to make a movie
in Mexico, she & Joey share a lingering goodbye kiss - and they both
put their hands over each other's faces!
---o0o---
Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
single scene that she was in.
The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
---o0o---
Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
didn't screech.
Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
Ross says that it's winter, which is awkward if we assume that Rachel's
30th birthday in 714 was set in May. We can't even pretend the sequence
skipped, since Phoebe remarks that it's a week since Rachel dumped Tag.
Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0) but which
half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
really was David Schwimmer playing them.
Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
now the kindred spirits?
According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
at Central Perk, in the grand tradition of Hums While He Pees in 705
"TOW the Engagement Picture".
Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
to dinner and not having sex.
Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
What is Barney's? Is it a department store as I've assumed? Why didn't
the script use a more famous name like Macy's? Or is Barney's equally
famous in New York City?
Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
Phoebe gave her address as 5 Morton Street #14, which doesn't resemble
her envelope in 421 "TOW the Invitation", (check out the DVD at 11:07),
but then the props guys misspelt Rachel's surname, so they're not to be
trusted. But is there a Morton Street near to Central Park?
When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
Tom the 'silver fox' who owned the phone was played by Jack Betts, who
was in the long-running soap opera "Search for Tomorrow" fourteen years
*after* Susan Sarandon.
This is not the first time that "Friends" has sent up the soap opera
drink-in-the-face routine, there was of course the classic scene in
212 "TOA the Superbowl (part 1)" where Rachel, Monica & Chandler
threw water in the face of Hans Ramoray, Drake's evil twin.
Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
It is always good fun when we see acting lessons on the show. Other
classic examples include 'smelling the fart' in 211 "TOW the Lesbian
Wedding", 'dividing 232 by 13' in 307 "TOW the Race Car Bed", and
'rubbing and smiling' in 609 "TOW Ross Got High".
Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
she expects to be slapped?
Joey bundling Monica & Rachel out of the door should settle any
question of who is the strongest.
Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
Susan Sarandon is wrongly credited as the doubly fictional Jessica
Lockhart, instead of soap star Cecilia Munro who played her.
Susan Sarandon & Matt LeBlanc have similar eyes, which is rather ironic
because so did Jessica & Dina. This is because the young soap star was
played by Susan's actual daughter Eva from Italian film director Franco
Amurri. Meanwhile, Susan's first husband Chris Sarandon is now married
to Joanna Gleason, who played Rachel's boss Kim Clozzi at Ralph Lauren.
Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
happy showbiz marriage, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
---o0o---
When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
than Rachel, but we could not be sure.
However all such doubts were dispelled when the tag showed what was
clearly the first take in which JA jumped in surprise and then they
all cracked up - and then the show continued for another 17 minutes
of bloopers! First of all, some of the funniest clips were...
The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
The old lady cracking up as LK stumbles in Italian & speaks Gutter.
JA hitting DS with the door, then he fears she'll hit him again.
MLB & MP noticing a forgotten clapper board.
CC spitting on JA.
CMS sending JA up for forgetting her first line.
Trouserless MLB/MP asking the (British) audience what the matter is.
Secondly, where did the clips come from where there was a weird face
behind LK, a bowl of pears in front of MLB, CC struggling with the
Grand Canyon, and CCA saying she's doing her brother?
Overall I thought the bloopers were great fun, but I would rather have
had the cast themselves introduce the clips, rather than just sit there
looking like they're in church while Conan O'Brien (am I the only one
who thinks of Conan the Barbarian) took over the show. Notice how it
came alive when MLB introduced the clips from 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush"
with the help of some neat editing. Anyway, some other thoughts...
For the caption "HOSTED BY CONAN O'BRIEN" the camera pans from Monica's
apartment to Central Perk, and you can see how the bedrooms are cut off
which is why there's a little wall just beyond the door. So when they
have a scene in a bedroom, is it a separate set, or do they build it
onto the doorway, so it projects into the coffee house?
It was great to see how much fun the cast has while making the show,
and it was obvious that they really do like each other.
We found out that Marcel was played by a monkey named Katie.
The scene with CMS is from 716, but it's not spoilerish.
We saw what the "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW" Magnadoodle in 413 meant.
When LK laughed in the clip from 618 "TOW Ross Dates a Student", her
face changed so much that she didn't look like Phoebe any more.
We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
American audiences who were denied the very wonderful fat Monica shaking
her booty in 615 "TOT Could Have Been (part 1)" finally got their chance,
and with live sound it was fascinating to see CCA feed off the cheering.
There were a few scenes which I felt were funnier for the cast than for
me, such as the sick Monica, or the couch stuck on the staircase - but
these were the three clips that made me laugh out loud the most...
3rd - JA struggling to act with the damn monkey.
2nd - MLB patting CC's breast, then MP pats the other breast.
1st - DS & MLB in the fort, zipping up their flies.
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 716.
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>Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
In certain parts she was hilarious, but as for the rest of her
story...
When I heard this title, I really started wondering what was going on.
:)
>Monica asks Ross to do the reading at the wedding ceremony, but he has
>something special in mind. That evening, Chandler & Monica are enjoying
>a posh dinner for two when they hear a dying cat parade pass along Grove
>Street - which turns out to be Ross practising on a set of bagpipes! To
>Monica's horror, Chandler recalls that Ross knows he's half-Scottish...
It was nice to see the two of them in a "normal" dinner situation for
once. And while the dinner music certainly wasn't the best I've heard,
they seemed to have a nice time.
And I guess this excludes the possibility of Chandler being half
Swedish/half Norwegian...
>Monica tells Ross straight that he can't play at the wedding, but he
>insists that she's heard him practice, not play. When Ross auditions for
>his friends, Chandler & Monica remain implacable, Rachel is amused, and
>of course Phoebe is totally on his wavelength & enjoys the skirl of his
>piping. Ross becomes enthused & invites everyone to sing along - which
>Phoebe, her eyes agleam, does in equal voice like a second chanter!
I had to laugh when they insisted that Ross should honour Chandler's
Swedish heritage by sitting down and being quiet. Are there any Swedes
around who can confirm that you guys enjoy this? ;)
From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>Admiring a handsome man in the coffee shop, Rachel opines he is too cute
>to be straight, but Phoebe notes how he stares at busty regular Knockers
>when she sashays past. When the guy leaves his mobile phone behind, the
>girls realise he'll call it to get it back, and while they argue Rachel
>grabs it since Phoebe's too slow, and Phoebe knocks it out of her hand
>because Rachel's too cocky!
Once again LK and JA prove that they are good at physical comedy. The
way they slowly tiptoed towards the phone was funny! And Rachel
obviously still remembers the fairy tales her father told her when she
was a little girl since she trailed off for a couple of seconds. "A
fairy tale for the digital age..."
But we cannot forget that this has already happened on the show in
episode 224 TOW Barry And Mindy's Wedding, where Chandler found "true
love" on the internet. (Joey may argue that it was a nightmare and
not a fairy tale, though.)
However, I had a bad feeling about this story from the start. I don't
know what it was that triggered it because they were okay in the
opening scene at Central Perk, but..
>Rachel cleverly persuades vegetarian Phoebe to let her have the phone
>since his stored numbers include a steak house, and a department store
>that's also on her speed dial. However, Rachel later comes to Phoebe's
>apartment to accuse her of stealing the phone from her. Phoebe denies
>it, but Rachel dials the number, and Phoebe's purse starts to ring.
What kind of cell-phone was it? It looked like a Motorola, and I don't
think it was a Nokia.
>Phoebe hands the phone over, but when the owner calls she knocks it out
>of Rachel's hand again, and arranges a date. Though Phoebe tries to use
>her mom's suicide to gain sympathy, Rachel insists on being there when
>the owner arrives, but he turns out to be a much older man, and Phoebe
>wonders how long she & Rachel were arguing for! To Rachel's suppressed
>surprise, Phoebe reckons that he's even hotter than the first man, so
>she begs to be allowed to have him - and Rachel graciously agrees.
I have to admit that I didn't see this end coming. I thought the
attractive guy was going to show up, telling them that he was in fact
gay.
Once again, we see that Phoebe is attracted to old, powerful men, just
like we discussed in another thread, there have been numerous hints
about this. And what is up with Phoebe using her mother's suicide as
some sort of sick blackmail?!?
Having said that, I must say that I found this story boring. I don't
think I laughed once. There was something missing, a certain spark
that could have provided the laughs.
>Joey has good news - Drake Ramoray on DOOL is to come out of his coma,
>since he is receiving a new brain! Monica & Rachel are delighted until
>they hear the donor will be their favourite character Jessica Lockhart,
>played by top soap actress Cecilia Munro. Rachel admires her for never
>finishing a drink without throwing it in someone's face, while Monica
>wishes that she could slap people around like Jessica does.
Shhh, don't give the Monica-haters any ideas. :)
She quickly stopped when Chandler asked her not to do it, though,
(well, she wasn't going to do it either) and caressed his cheek
instead. :)
>Miss Munro is a soap veteran who knows every trick in the book, so she
>slaps Jessica's daughter Dina across the face for real, then in a hug
>she moves the actress's head to her far shoulder so her face is still
>seen by the camera. Joey is most impressed by her technique, but when
>he reveals that she's being written out she throws her drink in his
>eyes and slaps him across his face!
Hehe. Joey must be used to this by now. There's the obvious scene in
212 TO After The Superbowl, Part 1, but I cannot imagine that Joey has
gone through his entire history of dating without one girl getting
furious with him and throwing a drink in his face.
>After Miss Munro checks the facts, she does not blame Joey (but when
>a writer passes by she instantly throws her drink in its face) so she
>agrees to teach him the essence of Jessica to keep the character alive,
>though he gets off to a bad start by making her voice sound English.
I guess the drink was a force of habit, but if she has been doing this
for several years, I don't blame the writers for firing her.
Too bad Joey didn't speak with a British accent when he went to London
three years ago. If Fergie had heard that one, who knows what might
have happened. :)
Isn't it a bit odd, however, that Joey gets kudos for speaking with a
British accent while his Italian accent is supposed to be awful? Maybe
he's 1/16th English as well as Portuguese?
>The essence of Jessica's character is rooted in her confidence, so Miss
>Munro begins teaching Joey how to enter a room as though he owns it. He
>finds her standards exacting, but Cecilia is patient with him. When she
>despairs of her own future he comforts her, and she is greatly touched
>when he assures her that she's still hot.
Joey still has a way with the ladies...
>When Cecilia teaches Joey how Jessica kisses a man, she puts her hands
>over most of his face so that only she's seen by the camera - but then
>lust overcomes her and she grabs him properly, so they fall down onto
>a nearby couch in a passionate clinch.
So that's what happened? My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>Next morning, Rachel is delighted to see Jessica Lockhart emerge from
>Joey's bedroom, but unselfishly she rushes to fetch an ecstatic Monica
>who pleads like a little girl to be slapped. Miss Munro dare not, upon
>her lawyer's advice, even when Monica turns very bitchy in an attempt
>to provoke her, so Joey picks up both girls and bundles them out. But
>when a script comes he knows he has lines, so Jessica's end is near.
A small, touching scene, even though the thought of Jessica's terrible
death made me snicker.
>At last Jessica dies to be reborn in Drake's body, and Joey is splendid
>as he makes his grand entrance - bandaged on the outside, but all woman
>on the inside, and every inch of him totally *owning* the room. Cecilia
>is pleased with his performance, and before she leaves to make a movie
>in Mexico, she & Joey share a lingering goodbye kiss - and they both
>put their hands over each other's faces!
Lol! I know, he was terrific here, wasn't he?
"Don't you recognize your own mother?"
I can't wait to see Joey getting in touch with his feminine side again
just like he did in 608 TOW Ross's Teeth.
>Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
>while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
>hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
The first story was so dull I couldn't believe it. Don't get me wrong,
I have nothing against cell-phones and digital fairy tales, in fact
I'm very dependent on my mobile, but when the biggest "laugh" comes
from a ringing purse, you know something is wrong.
The Geller/Bing story was funny, even though making Ross play the
bagpipes was a cheap way of getting laughs. The funniest part was
indeed when Phoebe started singing along with her musical idol.
>But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>single scene that she was in.
Yeah, it was pretty clear that they were happy to have Cecilia around.
I guess this goes for the cast in real life as well, since Susan
Sarandon has to be one of the best actresses in Hollywood. She's right
up there with legends as Meryl Streep et al.
>The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
>dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
>for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
>Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
>arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
>also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
>being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
The fact that made Joey's plot so enjoyable was that Cecilia was such
a nice lady in real life. I thought she would turn out to be a real
bitch, but luckily, I was proven wrong. Instead she was very sweet
with a touch of sadness that gave her a certain depth.
>Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
>his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
Yes, I can understand why he started protesting in the beginning.
>Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
Did he get that far with her?
>Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
Maybe they're phased out. ;)
>And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
I'm so tempted to answer that question, but it will be a spoiler (not
for you, though, Tennant).
>If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
>indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
>We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
>for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0) but which
>half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
>about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
Actually, I'd say that the score now is Sweden 4 Norway 0,5. Why?
Well, because Chandler mentions that Vikings ruined his past, so if we
assume that the Vikings raiding Scotland were Norwegians, we'd be a
lot closer. ;)
>Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
>really was David Schwimmer playing them.
Yep.
>Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
>was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
I was under the impression that she was referring to an incident in
the past.. Another one of her fantasies perhaps? Maybe she fantasized
about William Wallace from Braveheart and wanted to see Ross in that
outfit after he showed up in the navy uniform.
>If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
That was a threat.
>Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>now the kindred spirits?
There are so many kindred spirits nowadays, that I wouldn't be
surprised if she were.
>Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
>have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
>of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
Lol.
>Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
Maybe she decided that since her birthday was February 16th (the day
after this episode aired on NBC), she needed to talk to some Chinese
people.
>Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
>granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
What about constant water-throwing?
>Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
>she expects to be slapped?
Huh? I don't even want to get into that..
>Joey bundling Monica & Rachel out of the door should settle any
>question of who is the strongest.
I guess so.
>Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
He's still Drake, right? And I wouldn't be surprised if he had to kiss
a man, in. I don't know.. Let's say.. May? ;)
>Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
>Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
Chandler obviously has the same opinion on Sarandon as many people in
Hollywood.
>Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
>happy showbiz marriage, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
Which is rather ironic since they are not married. They're just living
together.
>When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
>it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
>than Rachel, but we could not be sure.
Yep, I noticed that too. It looked like she cast a glance at MP and
CCA trying to keep herself from laughing.
>However all such doubts were dispelled when the tag showed what was
>clearly the first take in which JA jumped in surprise and then they
>all cracked up - and then the show continued for another 17 minutes
>of bloopers! First of all, some of the funniest clips were...
>The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
Lol.
> The old lady cracking up as LK stumbles in Italian & speaks Gutter.
That was so funny! I loved to see Lisa turn into some sort of
"Street-Phoebe".
> JA hitting DS with the door, then he fears she'll hit him again.
"S***! That hurt!"
> MLB & MP noticing a forgotten clapper board.
> CC spitting on JA.
> CMS sending JA up for forgetting her first line.
> Trouserless MLB/MP asking the (British) audience what the matter is.
This one is also shown during the end credits of the uncut version of
Ross's wedding.
>Secondly, where did the clips come from where there was a weird face
>behind LK, a bowl of pears in front of MLB, CC struggling with the
>Grand Canyon, and CCA saying she's doing her brother?
Are you asking what episodes they came from? LK is sitting in front of
Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB with the pears is from 611
TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her brother" is from 613 TOW
Rachel's Sister. Judging by CCA's hair, the Grand Canyon line must be
from season 1.
>Overall I thought the bloopers were great fun, but I would rather have
>had the cast themselves introduce the clips, rather than just sit there
>looking like they're in church while Conan O'Brien (am I the only one
>who thinks of Conan the Barbarian) took over the show. Notice how it
>came alive when MLB introduced the clips from 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush"
>with the help of some neat editing. Anyway, some other thoughts...
Yeah, and that was one of the funniest clips as well.
>When LK laughed in the clip from 618 "TOW Ross Dates a Student", her
>face changed so much that she didn't look like Phoebe any more.
She didn't sound like her either.
>We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
Lol! That was one of the highlights of the show for me.
>There were a few scenes which I felt were funnier for the cast than for
>me, such as the sick Monica, or the couch stuck on the staircase - but
>these were the three clips that made me laugh out loud the most...
>
> 3rd - JA struggling to act with the damn monkey.
> 2nd - MLB patting CC's breast, then MP pats the other breast.
> 1st - DS & MLB in the fort, zipping up their flies.
And another one that I enjoyed was when Chandler entered Monica's
kitchen wondering what the hell Richard was doing with his girlfriend.
:)
~Marita
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mari...@online.no
Marita Bakken
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
>
>> In certain parts she was hilarious, but as for the rest of her
>> story...
>
>Yeah, but at the time she was hilarious, she never been so hilarious.
Pardon?
>Apart from being suspicious - I misunderstood Monica's thunder, the nap
>partners, Ross's library book, and Rosita dies, while I never knew what
>to make of a holiday armadillo - this episode actually turned out to be
>exactly what I suspected, a story about Drake Ramoray.
I had heard what the other titles were about (even though everything
was *very* vague), and I knew Joey's brain had something to do with
DOOL, but the one that fooled me was 713. I thought Rosita was Susan
Sarandon's character since I had read that she would show up during
sweeps as an aging diva who got fired from Joey's show.
>> It was nice to see the two of them in a "normal" dinner situation for
>> once. And while the dinner music certainly wasn't the best I've heard,
>> they seemed to have a nice time.
>
>What music? Oh, the *music* lol! Yes it was very strange to see our
>favourite couple being so normal, in an ordinary domestic setting.
Yep.
>> And I guess this excludes the possibility of Chandler being half
>> Swedish/half Norwegian...
>
>I'm afraid so, sweetie - have the writers got something against Norway?
Yes, I think so. *sniff*
>> I had to laugh when they insisted that Ross should honour Chandler's
>> Swedish heritage by sitting down and being quiet. Are there any Swedes
>> around who can confirm that you guys enjoy this? ;)
>
>I'd have thought *you* would know! :)
Given that Sweden is just a four hour drive away from where I live,
I've been there dozens of times, but I've never seen a Swede act that
way to honour his roots. :)
>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>
>Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
What heat? :P
But if it gets too hot, I guess they would sit down and be quiet until
the rain comes. :)
>> Once again LK and JA prove that they are good at physical comedy. The
>> way they slowly tiptoed towards the phone was funny!
>
>Lol yes, but we all knew that Rachel would get the phone first because
>she is *very* fast with her hands - two examples of many are snatching
>the pros & cons printout in 208 "TOW the List", and grabbing Amanda's
>phone number to give to Phoebe in 405 TOW "Joey's New Girlfriend".
Yes, that's right! And we should not be surprised that Phoebe "Slim
Jim" Buffay had something up her sleeve either...
>> And Rachel obviously still remembers the fairy tales her father told her
>> when she was a little girl since she trailed off for a couple of
>> seconds. "A fairy tale for the digital age..."
>
>Hehe - it seems rare for Rachel to wax poetic like that!
And now we know that if she goes through with reading a poem at the
wedding, she'll end up in tears.
>> But we cannot forget that this has already happened on the show in
>> episode 224 TOW Barry And Mindy's Wedding, where Chandler found "true
>> love" on the internet. (Joey may argue that it was a nightmare and
>> not a fairy tale, though.)
>
>Aww yes, with Phoebe on fabulous form - "Go, man, go put on your shoes,
>and, and march out there and meet her! Oh, wait, no, no you have to take
>a shower, 'cause, ewww. No, you know what you have to answer her, answer
>her first. No, no, you know what make some coffee 'cause it's too much."
Hehe.
>> However, I had a bad feeling about this story from the start. I don't
>> know what it was that triggered it because they were okay in the
>> opening scene at Central Perk, but..
>
>But? But what??? Did you fear he would be another Tag?
Ugh, yes. I've had enough of dashing assistants for a while. But that
was not what made this story boring. I just didn't find it funny,
sorry. :)
>>> Rachel cleverly persuades vegetarian Phoebe to let her have the phone
>>> since his stored numbers include a steak house, and a department store
>>> that's also on her speed dial. However, Rachel later comes to Phoebe's
>>> apartment to accuse her of stealing the phone from her. Phoebe denies
>>> it, but Rachel dials the number, and Phoebe's purse starts to ring.
>
>> What kind of cell-phone was it? It looked like a Motorola, and I don't
>> think it was a Nokia.
>
>I'm afraid I haven't the slightest idea, sorry. :(
Having just seen it again, I think I'm going to stick to Motorola. It
is round and rather big, and that usually means that it's a Motorola.
>But I do know that the mobile phone which Nokorala or Motia advertise
>as being the one used in "The Matrix" is in fact no such thing.
I guess Nokia hasn't made a strong bid for Sion.
>> I thought the attractive guy was going to show up, telling them that he
>> was in fact gay.
>
>Why? If he had been gay, why did he check out Knockers' knockers?
There are many gay men in the fashion industry who would do the same
thing as the guy in Central Perk.
>> And what is up with Phoebe using her mother's suicide as some sort of
>> sick blackmail?!?
>
>Maybe it's Phoebe's way of coping with it?
It has to be, but still... Seems rather macabre, don't you think?
>> Having said that, I must say that I found this story boring. I don't
>> think I laughed once. There was something missing, a certain spark
>> that could have provided the laughs.
>
>The little bits of business between the girls were good, but the story
>let them down. Having said that, the cheesecake story wasn't any better
>but Rachel & Chandler made more of it.
Yes, that story made me laugh, but perhaps it was because the
cheesecake story was so unexpected. I mean, who would think we'd get
to see Rachel eating cake off the floor? Girls fighting over a cute
guy has been done thousands of times before.
>> She quickly stopped when Chandler asked her not to do it though, (well,
>> she wasn't going to do it either) and caressed his cheek instead. :)
>
>Exactly. And she wants to be slapped as much as she wants to slap.
Grin.
>> Hehe. Joey must be used to this by now. There's the obvious scene in
>> 212 TO After The Superbowl, Part 1, but I cannot imagine that Joey has
>> gone through his entire history of dating without one girl getting
>> furious with him and throwing a drink in his face.
>
>Yeah, but did you notice how Miss Munro gave it a certain suddenness?
Yeah, she's good at this game..
>>> After Miss Munro checks the facts, she does not blame Joey (but when
>>> a writer passes by she instantly throws her drink in its face) so she
>>> agrees to teach him the essence of Jessica to keep the character alive,
>>> though he gets off to a bad start by making her voice sound English.
>
>> I guess the drink was a force of habit, but if she has been doing this
>> for several years, I don't blame the writers for firing her.
>
>I think Sarandon plays her as a compilation of all the daytime queens,
>so the writers will have many reasons for wanting to be rid of her.
The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>> Too bad Joey didn't speak with a British accent when he went to London
>> three years ago. If Fergie had heard that one, who knows what might
>> have happened. :)
>
>Lol - but don't forget that everybody here has a British accent...
Oh, I know that (it's one of the best things about your country), but
it's really cool and impressive to hear foreigners speak with the
accent you have yourself. I certainly think so!
>> Isn't it a bit odd, however, that Joey gets kudos for speaking with a
>> British accent while his Italian accent is supposed to be awful? Maybe
>> he's 1/16th English as well as Portuguese?
>
>I'm beginning to wonder how Italian he is - we're down to 7/8ths already.
New entry for the TWWWS list:
Joey's genealogical table
>>> The essence of Jessica's character is rooted in her confidence, so Miss
>>> Munro begins teaching Joey how to enter a room as though he owns it. He
>>> finds her standards exacting, but Cecilia is patient with him. When she
>>> despairs of her own future he comforts her, and she is greatly touched
>>> when he assures her that she's still hot.
>
>> Joey still has a way with the ladies...
>
>Hmmm - but even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
A woman with brains and an Oscar usually does. :)
>>> When Cecilia teaches Joey how Jessica kisses a man, she puts her hands
>>> over most of his face so that only she's seen by the camera - but then
>>> lust overcomes her and she grabs him properly, so they fall down onto
>>> a nearby couch in a passionate clinch.
>
>> So that's what happened? My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
>> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>
>Oh, you poor baby! Well, here's the pure dialogue...
>
>CECILIA: So, when Jessica kisses a man, she usually puts umm, both
> her hands on, the man's face.
>JOEY: Yea, yea, I noticed that. Is that because she's so passionate?
>CECILIA: No, it's because that way the camera only sees her! You
> wanna try it?
>JOEY: Yeah, if you're okay.
>CECILIA: That was good. That was really good. But I- I think that
> maybe your hands are just a little off, they should be
> maybe right right right...
Wow! I didn't miss much, but it is annoying all the same!
>..now tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll describe the
>rest in full detail, okay? :)
It stops right after "passionate".
>>> Next morning, Rachel is delighted to see Jessica Lockhart emerge from
>>> Joey's bedroom, but unselfishly she rushes to fetch an ecstatic Monica
>>> who pleads like a little girl to be slapped. Miss Munro dare not, upon
>>> her lawyer's advice, even when Monica turns very bitchy in an attempt
>>> to provoke her, so Joey picks up both girls and bundles them out.
>
>It's time for a Nuff Said Moment!
Hehe, yes. We've had a few of those recently.
>When we discussed S7-13, you reckoned that Monica could take both of
>Joey & Rachel. I replied that Monica can only take Joey since he'd let
>her, for not only is he stronger & burlier than Ross, he's also fast &
>nimble, and if keeping Rachel was at stake, Joey might not let Monica
>take him. You joked it was because he's SuperJoey, but on the subject
>of Joey versus Monica & Rachel, I could say no more - until now. Here
>we saw Joey effortlessly shove both girls out of the apartment at the
>same time. Okay, so they weren't trying that hard, but neither was he.
Yeah, yeah, okay, I give up. :)
>>> But when a script comes he knows he has lines, so Jessica's end is near.
>
>> A small, touching scene, even though the thought of Jessica's terrible
>> death made me snicker.
>
>Yeah - but I wanted to know what happened to the horse...
It ran off to Mexico just like Cecilia? :)
>>> At last Jessica dies to be reborn in Drake's body, and Joey is splendid
>>> as he makes his grand entrance - bandaged on the outside, but all woman
>>> on the inside, and every inch of him totally *owning* the room. Cecilia
>>> is pleased with his performance, and before she leaves to make a movie
>>> in Mexico, she & Joey share a lingering goodbye kiss - and they both
>>> put their hands over each other's faces!
>
>> Lol! I know, he was terrific here, wasn't he?
>
>Joey or Matt? Well it doesn't matter, since both were terrific.
I meant Joey, but who cares. :)
>> "Don't you recognize your own mother?"
>
>I KNOWWW!!! This was a whole new thing! :)
These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
>> I can't wait to see Joey getting in touch with his feminine side again
>> just like he did in 608 TOW Ross's Teeth.
>
>Me too. I think that MLB is having his best season, it's amazing.
Yeah, he has been great this season, hasn't he? If he keeps up this
standard we'll have lots to look forward to in addition to a certain
wedding. :)
>> The first story was so dull I couldn't believe it. Don't get me wrong,
>> I have nothing against cell-phones and digital fairy tales, in fact
>> I'm very dependent on my mobile, but when the biggest "laugh" comes
>> from a ringing purse, you know something is wrong.
>
>We have had mobile phones far longer than the Americans, and the first
>sitcom plots about them appeared in an influential BBC series, "Joking
>Apart", which came out in 1992. Some of them were most ingenious, for
>example (using characters from "Friends") Joey is having an affair with
>Monica, and although Chandler suspects, he doesn't know who the other
>man is, so he returns home unexpectedly to catch his wife with her lover
>but just in time Joey manages to barricade himself in the bathroom, and
>won't come out. Perplexed, Chandler phones his best friend, you guessed
>it, Joey for advice about the situation, so Joey has to try to calm his
>friend down in one voice while snarling threats through the bathroom
>door in another voice, while keeping both personae separate...
Lol! Cell-phones - they can be a blessing and a curse..
>> The Geller/Bing story was funny, even though making Ross play the
>> bagpipes was a cheap way of getting laughs. The funniest part was
>> indeed when Phoebe started singing along with her musical idol.
>
>I liked Ross playing the bagpipes (as comedy not music) since he was so
>genuine, you could really believe in Ross trying to do something special
>for his Scottish friend - so I didn't see this as a cheap plot at all.
I guess I sound awfully negative, and don't get me wrong, it was
*really* funny, but.. I guess you enjoyed all of these plots more than
I did. :)
>>> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>>> with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>>> and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>>> single scene that she was in.
>
>> Yeah, it was pretty clear that they were happy to have Cecilia around.
>> I guess this goes for the cast in real life as well, since Susan
>> Sarandon has to be one of the best actresses in Hollywood. She's right
>> up there with legends as Meryl Streep et al.
>
>Yes, she really was something - and she proved wrong all those complaints
>about the futility of stunt casting for the sweeps.
Absolutely. I'm not surprised, though. She's terrific.
>>> The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
>>> dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
>>> for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
>
>How about Cecilia's brave comments about the Mexican film industry?
Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
fiery redhead and a lethal guitarcase...
>> The fact that made Joey's plot so enjoyable was that Cecilia was such
>> a nice lady in real life. I thought she would turn out to be a real
>> bitch, but luckily, I was proven wrong. Instead she was very sweet
>> with a touch of sadness that gave her a certain depth.
>
>I know, I saw that too, and liked her for the same reasons. But was it
>that Cecilia had her work personality & her private personality - or was
>it that at work she was the soap stars that a young Sarandon had to put
>up with, and in private she was Susan herself?
I don't know. Ask Tim Robbins. :)
>>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
>>> didn't screech.
>
>>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
>>> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
>
>> Yes, I can understand why he started protesting in the beginning.
>
>You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't you,
>and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
OTOH, he's also a Star Wars fan.
>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>>> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
>
>> Did he get that far with her?
>
>I reckon so, since the courtship was scaled down to about a minute, so
>consummation would not have been a lengthy process.
Okay. :)
>>> Ross says that it's winter, which is awkward if we assume that Rachel's
>>> 30th birthday in 714 was set in May. We can't even pretend the sequence
>>> skipped, since Phoebe remarks that it's a week since Rachel dumped Tag.
>
>>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
>
>> Maybe they're phased out. ;)
>
>How do you mean, Marita?
505 TOW All The Kips. They're leaving the gang - being phased out,
just like Kip.
Not that I think this is the case, though. It was just a joke.
>>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
>>> indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
>
>> Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
>
>Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
Have you tried both instruments?
>>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
>>> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0)
>
>> Actually, I'd say that the score now is Sweden 4 Norway 0,5. Why?
>> Well, because Chandler mentions that Vikings ruined his past, so if we
>> assume that the Vikings raiding Scotland were Norwegians, we'd be a
>> lot closer. ;)
>
>Sorry sweetie, I know you're desperate, but no. :)
Not desperate, just a bit annoyed that when American TV-shows and
movies mention Scandinavians, you can be sure that they're talking
about Sweden. It's a lovely country, and Stockholm is the most
beautiful capital I've ever seen, but there are other Scandinavians
too.
And the Vikings who went to Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe
Islands *and* the USA were mostly Norwegians. The Swedes travelled
eastbound and to Russia. So there.. ;)
>>> but which half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names?
>>> And what about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
>
>What about this?
Didn't we discuss it in another thread a couple of days ago? Is Bing a
common Scottish name? Bing can be the last part of a Swedish last
name.
>>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
>>> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>
>> I was under the impression that she was referring to an incident in
>> the past.. Another one of her fantasies perhaps? Maybe she fantasized
>> about William Wallace from Braveheart and wanted to see Ross in that
>> outfit after he showed up in the navy uniform.
>
>Gosh!
>
>Anyway, at first it sounds like she's referring to an incident in the
>past, but when you hear it again you're not so sure...
I don't know, it sounded like an episode from their past to me. And
I'm sure Rachel melted when Ross showed up on her doorstep in a kilt
and blue makeup.
>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>
>> That was a threat.
>
>I know, so why did he?
Because he didn't want anyone else to know about it, and he could
start telling about various fudge-incidents?
>>> According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
>>> message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
>>> together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
>>> of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
>
>Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
Hmm.. I don't know really. I'm very pessimistic about it since I've
seen what has happened to long episodes in the past (i.e. the
double-episodes).
>Can just imagine the argument as they tried to divide it into three?
World War III. :)
>>> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
>
>> Maybe she decided that since her birthday was February 16th (the day
>> after this episode aired on NBC), she needed to talk to some Chinese
>> people.
>
>Because?
Joey didn't have any relatives there, and even though Joey told her he
was, Chandler convinced her he was not of Chinese descent. Ergo: She
had to call someone in China.
>>> Joey bundling Monica & Rachel out of the door should settle any
>>> question of who is the strongest.
>
>> I guess so.
>
>Oh, I mentioned this already. Never mind. :)
:)
>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>
>> He's still Drake, right?
>
>No, he isn't, he's Jessica now.
Er.. Okay. (My head hurts.)
>> And I wouldn't be surprised if he had to kiss a man, in. I don't know..
>> Let's say.. May? ;)
>
>Warren Beatty is coming in?
No, let's hope not. I had enough of him at last year's Oscar ceremony
when his speech went on and on and on... I was dying to see who'd get
the big awards, but Beatty kept talking. It was 5 a.m. here, and in
the end I hoped they would throw him off the stage.
I'd rather see him kiss Tag.
>>> Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
>>> Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
>
>> Chandler obviously has the same opinion on Sarandon as many people in
>> Hollywood.
>
>According to the IMDb she was arrested on 30th March 1999 for
>disorderly conduct during a protest in New York over the unarmed
>shooting of African immigrant Amadou Diallo by four policeman.
She's also far too "radical" (mind you, not IMO) when it comes to
capital punishment, which should make her Dubya's new best friend.
>>> Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
>>> happy showbiz marriage, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
>
>> Which is rather ironic since they are not married. They're just living
>> together.
>
>Ah - perhaps that was the point!
Wait a minute, though. Joey says:
Chandler, look they’re actors. They’re there to do a job, just ‘cause
they work together, doesn’t mean they’re gonna get together. I mean
just ‘cause it happened with Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins, it
doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen with them.
He doesn't say anything about the two of them being married.
>>> However all such doubts were dispelled when the tag showed what was
>>> clearly the first take in which JA jumped in surprise and then they
>>> all cracked up - and then the show continued for another 17 minutes
>>> of bloopers! First of all, some of the funniest clips were...
>
>>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
>
>> Lol.
>
>I know!
Maybe Joey's wish from 323 will come true after all. :)
>>> MLB & MP noticing a forgotten clapper board.
>>> CC spitting on JA.
>>> CMS sending JA up for forgetting her first line.
>>> Trouserless MLB/MP asking the (British) audience what the matter is.
>
>> This one is also shown during the end credits of the uncut version of
>> Ross's wedding.
>
>Indeed?
Yep, there are a few others as well. There is the one where JA cracks
up together with DS and MLB at the reception, and then there is a clip
where DS starts laughing at CCA and MP who have "to catch a very large
plane to New York".
>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB
>> with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her
>> brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>
>Thanks - I'll check those out.
VSG
>> Judging by CCA's hair, the Grand Canyon line must be from season 1.
>
>But it was something that got entirely cut out in the end?
It seems that way, yes.
>>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
>
>> Lol! That was one of the highlights of the show for me.
>
>Is there a full scene on the Director's Cut side of the DVD?
I have no idea. Could you tell me if you find out, please? :)
~Marita
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mari...@online.no
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
>> Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
> In certain parts she was hilarious, but as for the rest of her
> story...
Yeah, but at the time she was hilarious, she never been so hilarious.
Apart from being suspicious - I misunderstood Monica's thunder, the nap
partners, Ross's library book, and Rosita dies, while I never knew what
to make of a holiday armadillo - this episode actually turned out to be
exactly what I suspected, a story about Drake Ramoray.
>> Monica asks Ross to do the reading at the wedding ceremony, but he has
>> something special in mind. That evening, Chandler & Monica are enjoying
>> a posh dinner for two when they hear a dying cat parade pass along Grove
>> Street - which turns out to be Ross practising on a set of bagpipes! To
>> Monica's horror, Chandler recalls that Ross knows he's half-Scottish...
> It was nice to see the two of them in a "normal" dinner situation for
> once. And while the dinner music certainly wasn't the best I've heard,
> they seemed to have a nice time.
What music? Oh, the *music* lol! Yes it was very strange to see our
favourite couple being so normal, in an ordinary domestic setting.
> And I guess this excludes the possibility of Chandler being half
> Swedish/half Norwegian...
I'm afraid so, sweetie - have the writers got something against Norway?
>> Monica tells Ross straight that he can't play at the wedding, but he
>> insists that she's heard him practice, not play. When Ross auditions for
>> his friends, Chandler & Monica remain implacable, Rachel is amused, and
>> of course Phoebe is totally on his wavelength & enjoys the skirl of his
>> piping. Ross becomes enthused & invites everyone to sing along - which
>> Phoebe, her eyes agleam, does in equal voice like a second chanter!
> I had to laugh when they insisted that Ross should honour Chandler's
> Swedish heritage by sitting down and being quiet. Are there any Swedes
> around who can confirm that you guys enjoy this? ;)
I'd have thought *you* would know! :)
> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
>> ---o0o---
>> Admiring a handsome man in the coffee shop, Rachel opines he is too cute
>> to be straight, but Phoebe notes how he stares at busty regular Knockers
>> when she sashays past. When the guy leaves his mobile phone behind, the
>> girls realise he'll call it to get it back, and while they argue Rachel
>> grabs it since Phoebe's too slow, and Phoebe knocks it out of her hand
>> because Rachel's too cocky!
> Once again LK and JA prove that they are good at physical comedy. The
> way they slowly tiptoed towards the phone was funny!
Lol yes, but we all knew that Rachel would get the phone first because
she is *very* fast with her hands - two examples of many are snatching
the pros & cons printout in 208 "TOW the List", and grabbing Amanda's
phone number to give to Phoebe in 405 TOW "Joey's New Girlfriend".
> And Rachel obviously still remembers the fairy tales her father told her
> when she was a little girl since she trailed off for a couple of
> seconds. "A fairy tale for the digital age..."
Hehe - it seems rare for Rachel to wax poetic like that!
> But we cannot forget that this has already happened on the show in
> episode 224 TOW Barry And Mindy's Wedding, where Chandler found "true
> love" on the internet. (Joey may argue that it was a nightmare and
> not a fairy tale, though.)
Aww yes, with Phoebe on fabulous form - "Go, man, go put on your shoes,
and, and march out there and meet her! Oh, wait, no, no you have to take
a shower, 'cause, ewww. No, you know what you have to answer her, answer
her first. No, no, you know what make some coffee 'cause it's too much."
> However, I had a bad feeling about this story from the start. I don't
> know what it was that triggered it because they were okay in the
> opening scene at Central Perk, but..
But? But what??? Did you fear he would be another Tag?
>> Rachel cleverly persuades vegetarian Phoebe to let her have the phone
>> since his stored numbers include a steak house, and a department store
>> that's also on her speed dial. However, Rachel later comes to Phoebe's
>> apartment to accuse her of stealing the phone from her. Phoebe denies
>> it, but Rachel dials the number, and Phoebe's purse starts to ring.
> What kind of cell-phone was it? It looked like a Motorola, and I don't
> think it was a Nokia.
I'm afraid I haven't the slightest idea, sorry. :(
But I do know that the mobile phone which Nokorala or Motia advertise
as being the one used in "The Matrix" is in fact no such thing.
>> Phoebe hands the phone over, but when the owner calls she knocks it out
>> of Rachel's hand again, and arranges a date. Though Phoebe tries to use
>> her mom's suicide to gain sympathy, Rachel insists on being there when
>> the owner arrives, but he turns out to be a much older man, and Phoebe
>> wonders how long she & Rachel were arguing for! To Rachel's suppressed
>> surprise, Phoebe reckons that he's even hotter than the first man, so
>> she begs to be allowed to have him - and Rachel graciously agrees.
> I have to admit that I didn't see this end coming.
I just thought that the younger man would end up as someone's boyfriend.
> I thought the attractive guy was going to show up, telling them that he
> was in fact gay.
Why? If he had been gay, why did he check out Knockers' knockers?
> Once again, we see that Phoebe is attracted to old, powerful men, just
> like we discussed in another thread, there have been numerous hints
> about this.
Exactly.
> And what is up with Phoebe using her mother's suicide as some sort of
> sick blackmail?!?
Maybe it's Phoebe's way of coping with it?
> Having said that, I must say that I found this story boring. I don't
> think I laughed once. There was something missing, a certain spark
> that could have provided the laughs.
The little bits of business between the girls were good, but the story
let them down. Having said that, the cheesecake story wasn't any better
but Rachel & Chandler made more of it.
>> ---o0o---
>> Joey has good news - Drake Ramoray on DOOL is to come out of his coma,
>> since he is receiving a new brain! Monica & Rachel are delighted until
>> they hear the donor will be their favourite character Jessica Lockhart,
>> played by top soap actress Cecilia Munro. Rachel admires her for never
>> finishing a drink without throwing it in someone's face, while Monica
>> wishes that she could slap people around like Jessica does.
> Shhh, don't give the Monica-haters any ideas. :)
I said "wishes", it's all part of Monica's timidity with people outside
the group - mothers, waiters, wrestlers, that sort of thing.
> She quickly stopped when Chandler asked her not to do it though, (well,
> she wasn't going to do it either) and caressed his cheek instead. :)
Exactly. And she wants to be slapped as much as she wants to slap.
>> Miss Munro is a soap veteran who knows every trick in the book, so she
>> slaps Jessica's daughter Dina across the face for real, then in a hug
>> she moves the actress's head to her far shoulder so her face is still
>> seen by the camera. Joey is most impressed by her technique, but when
>> he reveals that she's being written out she throws her drink in his
>> eyes and slaps him across his face!
> Hehe. Joey must be used to this by now. There's the obvious scene in
> 212 TO After The Superbowl, Part 1, but I cannot imagine that Joey has
> gone through his entire history of dating without one girl getting
> furious with him and throwing a drink in his face.
Yeah, but did you notice how Miss Munro gave it a certain suddenness?
>> After Miss Munro checks the facts, she does not blame Joey (but when
>> a writer passes by she instantly throws her drink in its face) so she
>> agrees to teach him the essence of Jessica to keep the character alive,
>> though he gets off to a bad start by making her voice sound English.
> I guess the drink was a force of habit, but if she has been doing this
> for several years, I don't blame the writers for firing her.
I think Sarandon plays her as a compilation of all the daytime queens,
so the writers will have many reasons for wanting to be rid of her.
> Too bad Joey didn't speak with a British accent when he went to London
> three years ago. If Fergie had heard that one, who knows what might
> have happened. :)
Lol - but don't forget that everybody here has a British accent...
> Isn't it a bit odd, however, that Joey gets kudos for speaking with a
> British accent while his Italian accent is supposed to be awful? Maybe
> he's 1/16th English as well as Portuguese?
I'm beginning to wonder how Italian he is - we're down to 7/8ths already.
>> The essence of Jessica's character is rooted in her confidence, so Miss
>> Munro begins teaching Joey how to enter a room as though he owns it. He
>> finds her standards exacting, but Cecilia is patient with him. When she
>> despairs of her own future he comforts her, and she is greatly touched
>> when he assures her that she's still hot.
> Joey still has a way with the ladies...
Hmmm - but even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
>> When Cecilia teaches Joey how Jessica kisses a man, she puts her hands
>> over most of his face so that only she's seen by the camera - but then
>> lust overcomes her and she grabs him properly, so they fall down onto
>> a nearby couch in a passionate clinch.
> So that's what happened? My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
Oh, you poor baby! Well, here's the pure dialogue...
CECILIA: So, when Jessica kisses a man, she usually puts umm, both
her hands on, the man's face.
JOEY: Yea, yea, I noticed that. Is that because she's so passionate?
CECILIA: No, it's because that way the camera only sees her! You
wanna try it?
JOEY: Yeah, if you're okay.
CECILIA: That was good. That was really good. But I- I think that
maybe your hands are just a little off, they should be
maybe right right right...
..now tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll describe the
rest in full detail, okay? :)
>> Next morning, Rachel is delighted to see Jessica Lockhart emerge from
>> Joey's bedroom, but unselfishly she rushes to fetch an ecstatic Monica
>> who pleads like a little girl to be slapped. Miss Munro dare not, upon
>> her lawyer's advice, even when Monica turns very bitchy in an attempt
>> to provoke her, so Joey picks up both girls and bundles them out.
It's time for a Nuff Said Moment!
When we discussed S7-13, you reckoned that Monica could take both of
Joey & Rachel. I replied that Monica can only take Joey since he'd let
her, for not only is he stronger & burlier than Ross, he's also fast &
nimble, and if keeping Rachel was at stake, Joey might not let Monica
take him. You joked it was because he's SuperJoey, but on the subject
of Joey versus Monica & Rachel, I could say no more - until now. Here
we saw Joey effortlessly shove both girls out of the apartment at the
same time. Okay, so they weren't trying that hard, but neither was he.
>> But when a script comes he knows he has lines, so Jessica's end is near.
> A small, touching scene, even though the thought of Jessica's terrible
> death made me snicker.
Yeah - but I wanted to know what happened to the horse...
>> At last Jessica dies to be reborn in Drake's body, and Joey is splendid
>> as he makes his grand entrance - bandaged on the outside, but all woman
>> on the inside, and every inch of him totally *owning* the room. Cecilia
>> is pleased with his performance, and before she leaves to make a movie
>> in Mexico, she & Joey share a lingering goodbye kiss - and they both
>> put their hands over each other's faces!
> Lol! I know, he was terrific here, wasn't he?
Joey or Matt? Well it doesn't matter, since both were terrific.
> "Don't you recognize your own mother?"
I KNOWWW!!! This was a whole new thing! :)
> I can't wait to see Joey getting in touch with his feminine side again
> just like he did in 608 TOW Ross's Teeth.
Me too. I think that MLB is having his best season, it's amazing.
>> ---o0o---
>> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
>> while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
>> hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
> The first story was so dull I couldn't believe it. Don't get me wrong,
> I have nothing against cell-phones and digital fairy tales, in fact
> I'm very dependent on my mobile, but when the biggest "laugh" comes
> from a ringing purse, you know something is wrong.
We have had mobile phones far longer than the Americans, and the first
sitcom plots about them appeared in an influential BBC series, "Joking
Apart", which came out in 1992. Some of them were most ingenious, for
example (using characters from "Friends") Joey is having an affair with
Monica, and although Chandler suspects, he doesn't know who the other
man is, so he returns home unexpectedly to catch his wife with her lover
but just in time Joey manages to barricade himself in the bathroom, and
won't come out. Perplexed, Chandler phones his best friend, you guessed
it, Joey for advice about the situation, so Joey has to try to calm his
friend down in one voice while snarling threats through the bathroom
door in another voice, while keeping both personae separate...
> The Geller/Bing story was funny, even though making Ross play the
> bagpipes was a cheap way of getting laughs. The funniest part was
> indeed when Phoebe started singing along with her musical idol.
I liked Ross playing the bagpipes (as comedy not music) since he was so
genuine, you could really believe in Ross trying to do something special
for his Scottish friend - so I didn't see this as a cheap plot at all.
>> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>> with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>> and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>> single scene that she was in.
> Yeah, it was pretty clear that they were happy to have Cecilia around.
> I guess this goes for the cast in real life as well, since Susan
> Sarandon has to be one of the best actresses in Hollywood. She's right
> up there with legends as Meryl Streep et al.
Yes, she really was something - and she proved wrong all those complaints
about the futility of stunt casting for the sweeps.
>> The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
>> dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
>> for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
How about Cecilia's brave comments about the Mexican film industry?
>> Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
>> arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
>> also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
>> being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
> The fact that made Joey's plot so enjoyable was that Cecilia was such
> a nice lady in real life. I thought she would turn out to be a real
> bitch, but luckily, I was proven wrong. Instead she was very sweet
> with a touch of sadness that gave her a certain depth.
I know, I saw that too, and liked her for the same reasons. But was it
that Cecilia had her work personality & her private personality - or was
it that at work she was the soap stars that a young Sarandon had to put
up with, and in private she was Susan herself?
>> ---o0o---
>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
>> didn't screech.
>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
>> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
> Yes, I can understand why he started protesting in the beginning.
You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't you,
and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
> Did he get that far with her?
I reckon so, since the courtship was scaled down to about a minute, so
consummation would not have been a lengthy process.
>> Ross says that it's winter, which is awkward if we assume that Rachel's
>> 30th birthday in 714 was set in May. We can't even pretend the sequence
>> skipped, since Phoebe remarks that it's a week since Rachel dumped Tag.
>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
> Maybe they're phased out. ;)
How do you mean, Marita?
>> And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
> I'm so tempted <SNIP>
>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
>> indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
> Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
>> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0)
> Actually, I'd say that the score now is Sweden 4 Norway 0,5. Why?
> Well, because Chandler mentions that Vikings ruined his past, so if we
> assume that the Vikings raiding Scotland were Norwegians, we'd be a
> lot closer. ;)
Sorry sweetie, I know you're desperate, but no. :)
>> but which half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names?
>> And what about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
What about this?
>> Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
>> really was David Schwimmer playing them.
> Yep.
He's a trouper.
>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
>> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
> I was under the impression that she was referring to an incident in
> the past.. Another one of her fantasies perhaps? Maybe she fantasized
> about William Wallace from Braveheart and wanted to see Ross in that
> outfit after he showed up in the navy uniform.
Gosh!
Anyway, at first it sounds like she's referring to an incident in the
past, but when you hear it again you're not so sure...
>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
> That was a threat.
I know, so why did he?
>> Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>> now the kindred spirits?
> There are so many kindred spirits nowadays, that I wouldn't be
> surprised if she were.
Lol!
>> According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
>> message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
>> together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
>> of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
>> The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
>> at Central Perk, in the grand tradition of Hums While He Pees in 705
>> "TOW the Engagement Picture".
>> Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
>> getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
>> that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
>> to dinner and not having sex.
>> Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
>> have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
>> of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
> Lol.
Can just imagine the argument as they tried to divide it into three?
>> What is Barney's? Is it a department store as I've assumed? Why didn't
>> the script use a more famous name like Macy's? Or is Barney's equally
>> famous in New York City?
>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
>> Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
>> Phoebe gave her address as 5 Morton Street #14, which doesn't resemble
>> her envelope in 421 "TOW the Invitation", (check out the DVD at 11:07),
>> but then the props guys misspelt Rachel's surname, so they're not to be
>> trusted. But is there a Morton Street near to Central Park?
>> When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
>> so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
>> can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
>> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
> Maybe she decided that since her birthday was February 16th (the day
> after this episode aired on NBC), she needed to talk to some Chinese
> people.
Because?
>> Tom the 'silver fox' who owned the phone was played by Jack Betts, who
>> was in the long-running soap opera "Search for Tomorrow" fourteen years
>> *after* Susan Sarandon.
>> This is not the first time that "Friends" has sent up the soap opera
>> drink-in-the-face routine, there was of course the classic scene in
>> 212 "TOA the Superbowl (part 1)" where Rachel, Monica & Chandler
>> threw water in the face of Hans Ramoray, Drake's evil twin.
>> Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
>> granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
> What about constant water-throwing?
That too, but everybody got that, only the writers were itted.
>> It is always good fun when we see acting lessons on the show. Other
>> classic examples include 'smelling the fart' in 211 "TOW the Lesbian
>> Wedding", 'dividing 232 by 13' in 307 "TOW the Race Car Bed", and
>> 'rubbing and smiling' in 609 "TOW Ross Got High".
>> Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
>> she expects to be slapped?
> Huh? I don't even want to get into that..
Well, I did say it was dark.
>> Joey bundling Monica & Rachel out of the door should settle any
>> question of who is the strongest.
> I guess so.
Oh, I mentioned this already. Never mind. :)
>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
> He's still Drake, right?
No, he isn't, he's Jessica now.
> And I wouldn't be surprised if he had to kiss a man, in. I don't know..
> Let's say.. May? ;)
Warren Beatty is coming in?
>> Susan Sarandon is wrongly credited as the doubly fictional Jessica
>> Lockhart, instead of soap star Cecilia Munro who played her.
>> Susan Sarandon & Matt LeBlanc have similar eyes, which is rather ironic
>> because so did Jessica & Dina. This is because the young soap star was
>> played by Susan's actual daughter Eva from Italian film director Franco
>> Amurri. Meanwhile, Susan's first husband Chris Sarandon is now married
>> to Joanna Gleason, who played Rachel's boss Kim Clozzi at Ralph Lauren.
>> Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
>> Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
> Chandler obviously has the same opinion on Sarandon as many people in
> Hollywood.
According to the IMDb she was arrested on 30th March 1999 for
disorderly conduct during a protest in New York over the unarmed
shooting of African immigrant Amadou Diallo by four policeman.
>> Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
>> happy showbiz marriage, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
> Which is rather ironic since they are not married. They're just living
> together.
Ah - perhaps that was the point!
>> ---o0o---
>> When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
>> it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
>> than Rachel, but we could not be sure.
> Yep, I noticed that too. It looked like she cast a glance at MP and
> CCA trying to keep herself from laughing.
Yep.
>> However all such doubts were dispelled when the tag showed what was
>> clearly the first take in which JA jumped in surprise and then they
>> all cracked up - and then the show continued for another 17 minutes
>> of bloopers! First of all, some of the funniest clips were...
>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
> Lol.
I know!
>> The old lady cracking up as LK stumbles in Italian & speaks Gutter.
> That was so funny! I loved to see Lisa turn into some sort of
> "Street-Phoebe".
Hah!
>> JA hitting DS with the door, then he fears she'll hit him again.
> "S***! That hurt!"
Yep.
>> MLB & MP noticing a forgotten clapper board.
>> CC spitting on JA.
>> CMS sending JA up for forgetting her first line.
>> Trouserless MLB/MP asking the (British) audience what the matter is.
> This one is also shown during the end credits of the uncut version of
> Ross's wedding.
Indeed?
>> Secondly, where did the clips come from where there was a weird face
>> behind LK, a bowl of pears in front of MLB, CC struggling with the
>> Grand Canyon, and CCA saying she's doing her brother?
> Are you asking what episodes they came from?
Yes.
> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB
> with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her
> brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
Thanks - I'll check those out.
> Judging by CCA's hair, the Grand Canyon line must be from season 1.
But it was something that got entirely cut out in the end?
>> Overall I thought the bloopers were great fun, but I would rather have
>> had the cast themselves introduce the clips, rather than just sit there
>> looking like they're in church while Conan O'Brien (am I the only one
>> who thinks of Conan the Barbarian) took over the show. Notice how it
>> came alive when MLB introduced the clips from 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush"
>> with the help of some neat editing. Anyway, some other thoughts...
> Yeah, and that was one of the funniest clips as well.
Yep!
>> For the caption "HOSTED BY CONAN O'BRIEN" the camera pans from Monica's
>> apartment to Central Perk, and you can see how the bedrooms are cut off
>> which is why there's a little wall just beyond the door. So when they
>> have a scene in a bedroom, is it a separate set, or do they build it
>> onto the doorway, so it projects into the coffee house?
>> It was great to see how much fun the cast has while making the show,
>> and it was obvious that they really do like each other.
>> We found out that Marcel was played by a monkey named Katie.
>> The scene with CMS is from 716, but it's not spoilerish.
>> We saw what the "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW" Magnadoodle in 413 meant.
>> When LK laughed in the clip from 618 "TOW Ross Dates a Student", her
>> face changed so much that she didn't look like Phoebe any more.
> She didn't sound like her either.
I know, it was amazing - did we see Lisa Kudrow for the first time?
>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
> Lol! That was one of the highlights of the show for me.
Is there a full scene on the Director's Cut side of the DVD?
>> American audiences who were denied the very wonderful fat Monica shaking
>> her booty in 615 "TOT Could Have Been (part 1)" finally got their chance,
>> and with live sound it was fascinating to see CCA feed off the cheering.
>> There were a few scenes which I felt were funnier for the cast than for
>> me, such as the sick Monica, or the couch stuck on the staircase - but
>> these were the three clips that made me laugh out loud the most...
>> 3rd - JA struggling to act with the damn monkey.
>> 2nd - MLB patting CC's breast, then MP pats the other breast.
>> 1st - DS & MLB in the fort, zipping up their flies.
> And another one that I enjoyed was when Chandler entered Monica's
> kitchen wondering what the hell Richard was doing with his girlfriend.
Yep, brilliant stuff, and thankyou for such a full reply, Marita. :)
>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 716.
Tennant
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Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:51:35 GMT, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
>>> In certain parts she was hilarious, but as for the rest of her
>>> story...
>> Yeah, but at the time she was hilarious, she never been so hilarious.
> Pardon?
Oops, that should be...
At the time she was hilarious, she HAD never been so hilarious.
Oh yes, I can see exactly how you thought that. I would too. :)
It's a good job that scene was right at the start - when I first
saw 716 I was similarly beginning to think I'd misunderstood that.
>>> And I guess this excludes the possibility of Chandler being half
>>> Swedish/half Norwegian...
>> I'm afraid so, sweetie - have the writers got something against Norway?
> Yes, I think so. *sniff*
Awww... here, have a tissue, I'm all cried out today.
>>> I had to laugh when they insisted that Ross should honour Chandler's
>>> Swedish heritage by sitting down and being quiet. Are there any Swedes
>>> around who can confirm that you guys enjoy this? ;)
>> I'd have thought *you* would know! :)
> Given that Sweden is just a four hour drive away from where I live,
> I've been there dozens of times, but I've never seen a Swede act that
> way to honour his roots. :)
How about honouring his twigs?
>>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>> Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
> What heat? :P
In the sauna, of course.
> But if it gets too hot, I guess they would sit down and be quiet until
> the rain comes. :)
Is that why Chandler's glasses steam up?
>> We all knew that Rachel would get the phone first because she is *very*
>> fast with her hands - two examples of many are snatching the pros &
>> cons printout in 208 "TOW the List", and grabbing Amanda's phone number
>> to give to Phoebe in 405 TOW "Joey's New Girlfriend".
> Yes, that's right! And we should not be surprised that Phoebe "Slim
> Jim" Buffay had something up her sleeve either...
Do you reckon she can clone phones?
>>> And Rachel obviously still remembers the fairy tales her father told
>>> her when she was a little girl since she trailed off for a couple of
>>> seconds. "A fairy tale for the digital age..."
>> Hehe - it seems rare for Rachel to wax poetic like that!
> And now we know that if she goes through with reading a poem at the
> wedding, she'll end up in tears.
Aw, she was so sweet.
>>> However, I had a bad feeling about this story from the start. I don't
>>> know what it was that triggered it because they were okay in the
>>> opening scene at Central Perk, but..
>> But? But what??? Did you fear he would be another Tag?
> Ugh, yes. I've had enough of dashing assistants for a while.
I agree.
> But that was not what made this story boring. I just didn't find it
> funny, sorry. :)
Well, like I said it was the little bits of business between the
girls that was good, not the story. The main fun was elsewhere.
>>>> Rachel cleverly persuades vegetarian Phoebe to let her have the phone
>>>> since his stored numbers include a steak house, and a department store
>>>> that's also on her speed dial. However, Rachel later comes to Phoebe's
>>>> apartment to accuse her of stealing the phone from her. Phoebe denies
>>>> it, but Rachel dials the number, and Phoebe's purse starts to ring.
>>> What kind of cell-phone was it? It looked like a Motorola, and I don't
>>> think it was a Nokia.
>> I'm afraid I haven't the slightest idea, sorry. :(
> Having just seen it again, I think I'm going to stick to Motorola. It
> is round and rather big, and that usually means that it's a Motorola.
American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
>> But I do know that the mobile phone which Nokorala or Motia advertise
>> as being the one used in "The Matrix" is in fact no such thing.
> I guess Nokia hasn't made a strong bid for Sion.
Or even Psion? :)
>>> I thought the attractive guy was going to show up, telling them that he
>>> was in fact gay.
>> Why? If he had been gay, why did he check out Knockers' knockers?
> There are many gay men in the fashion industry who would do the same
> thing as the guy in Central Perk.
Yeah, that's why catwalk models look like dolled-up boys, not really
what men like at all, and the sad thing is to see lovely actresses
dieting themselves to look like skeletons in imitation.
>>> And what is up with Phoebe using her mother's suicide as some sort of
>>> sick blackmail?!?
>> Maybe it's Phoebe's way of coping with it?
> It has to be, but still... Seems rather macabre, don't you think?
Macabre to us - she has lived with the worse reality for many years.
>>> Having said that, I must say that I found this story boring. I don't
>>> think I laughed once. There was something missing, a certain spark
>>> that could have provided the laughs.
>> The little bits of business between the girls were good, but the story
>> let them down. Having said that, the cheesecake story wasn't any better
>> but Rachel & Chandler made more of it.
> Yes, that story made me laugh, but perhaps it was because the
> cheesecake story was so unexpected. I mean, who would think we'd get
> to see Rachel eating cake off the floor? Girls fighting over a cute
> guy has been done thousands of times before.
Well, it was girls fighting over a phone - as soon as the guy appeared
the story was over.
>>> Hehe. Joey must be used to this by now. There's the obvious scene in
>>> 212 TO After The Superbowl, Part 1, but I cannot imagine that Joey has
>>> gone through his entire history of dating without one girl getting
>>> furious with him and throwing a drink in his face.
>> Yeah, but did you notice how Miss Munro gave it a certain suddenness?
> Yeah, she's good at this game..
I know, I gasped as much as that poor little writer...
>>>> After Miss Munro checks the facts, she does not blame Joey (but when
>>>> a writer passes by she instantly throws her drink in its face) so she
>>>> agrees to teach him the essence of Jessica to keep the character
>>>> alive, though he gets off to a bad start by making her voice sound
>>>> English.
>>> I guess the drink was a force of habit, but if she has been doing this
>>> for several years, I don't blame the writers for firing her.
>> I think Sarandon plays her as a compilation of all the daytime queens,
>> so the writers will have many reasons for wanting to be rid of her.
> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
>>> Too bad Joey didn't speak with a British accent when he went to London
>>> three years ago. If Fergie had heard that one, who knows what might
>>> have happened. :)
>> Lol - but don't forget that everybody here has a British accent...
> Oh, I know that (it's one of the best things about your country), but
> it's really cool and impressive to hear foreigners speak with the
> accent you have yourself. I certainly think so!
Well, I think your accent is lovely, so when you're in America they will
think that you're British, and be surprised to hear you aren't.
>>> Isn't it a bit odd, however, that Joey gets kudos for speaking with a
>>> British accent while his Italian accent is supposed to be awful? Maybe
>>> he's 1/16th English as well as Portuguese?
>> I'm beginning to wonder how Italian he is - we're down to 7/8ths already.
> New entry for the TWWWS list:
> Joey's genealogical table
To find out if it's Joseph or Gloria who has the non-Italian grandparent?
>> But even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
> A woman with brains and an Oscar usually does. :)
Yeppity!
>>> My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
>>> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>> Oh, you poor baby! Tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll
>> describe the rest in full detail, okay? :)
> It stops right after "passionate".
JOEY: Yea, yea, I noticed that. Is that because she's so passionate?
CECILIA: No, (shaking her head slightly, with the minutest trace of
impatience) it's because that way the camera only sees her!
(Joey nods slightly, his head still in her grasp. Cecilia stares
deep into his eyes, then removes her hands, suddenly looking much
less confident as her arms drop down beside her.)
CECILIA: (With uncertainty, more like girl, but very warm) you wanna
try it? (She searches his gaze)
JOEY: (Taking a sharp breath, then nervously) Yeah, if you're okay.
(Joey pauses, his tongue defensively between his teeth, then after a
larger breath to gather himself, he brings his hands up, hesitating,
fingers hooked, then at last he places each hand upon Cecilia's head,
large palms against her cheeks, the thumbs following the bones to her
eyes, the fingers flowing out across her flame-red hair. As Joey leans
forward, Cecilia brings her face up to meet his, their eyes close, and
at last their lips meet, soft & tender, Cecilia's elbows pulling back
as her diaphragm rises to allow her chest to swell against him. With a
delicate sound of released suction they part, and from nervousness she
speaks a little too quickly, her voice a little too high pitched.)
CECILIA: That was good. (Opening her eyes) that was really good. (She
nods encouragingly as he looks at her, so he takes his hands
away) But I- I think (reaching out to him) that maybe your
hands (taking hold of his head a little lower than before)
were just a little off, they should be maybe (each thumb &
forefinger now cupping an ear) right right right...
(Suddenly Cecilia lunges forward, her hands running around the back
of Joey's head, the fingers interlocking, and with a violent lunge of
exploding lust she pulls his body into her, her mouth opening wide to
envelope him. Joey can let out no more than a strangled gurgle as his
knees buckle underneath him, and she thrusts forward, his arms waving
helplessly in the air behind her, as she forces him down onto a nearby
couch in an embrace of such great passion that he struggles to regain
control of his limbs, until buried deeply in the cushions beneath her
he finally manages to take hold of her body, and as their heavy kiss
continues, he hugs Cecilia tightly to pull her down, hard onto him.)
FADEOUT
>>>> Next morning, Rachel is delighted to see Jessica Lockhart emerge from
>>>> Joey's bedroom, but unselfishly she rushes to fetch an ecstatic Monica
>>>> who pleads like a little girl to be slapped. Miss Munro dare not, upon
>>>> her lawyer's advice, even when Monica turns very bitchy in an attempt
>>>> to provoke her, so Joey picks up both girls and bundles them out.
>> It's time for a Nuff Said Moment!
> Hehe, yes. We've had a few of those recently.
Ah no, this is the other way round, where I'm allowed to reveal what
hitherto I couldn't say.
>> When we discussed S7-13, you reckoned that Monica could take both of
>> Joey & Rachel. I replied that Monica can only take Joey since he'd let
>> her, for not only is he stronger & burlier than Ross, he's also fast &
>> nimble, and if keeping Rachel was at stake, Joey might not let Monica
>> take him. You joked it was because he's SuperJoey, but on the subject
>> of Joey versus Monica & Rachel, I could say no more - until now. Here
>> we saw Joey effortlessly shove both girls out of the apartment at the
>> same time. Okay, so they weren't trying that hard, but neither was he.
> Yeah, yeah, okay, I give up. :)
Grin. There's also a moment during the time when MLB (not just Joey)
had a dislocated shoulder, and he picked JA/Rachel up one-handed and
whirled her around as she squealed girlishly...
>> I wanted to know what happened to the horse...
> It ran off to Mexico just like Cecilia? :)
Cecilia's horse would be okay, but what about Jessica's horse?
>>>> Joey is splendid as he makes his grand entrance - bandaged on the
>>>> outside, but all woman on the inside, and every inch of him totally
>>>> *owning* the room. Cecilia is pleased with his performance, and
>>>> before she leaves to make a movie in Mexico, she & Joey share a
>>>> lingering goodbye kiss - and they both put their hands over each
>>>> other's faces!
>>> Lol! I know, he was terrific here, wasn't he?
>> Joey or Matt? Well it doesn't matter, since both were terrific.
> I meant Joey, but who cares. :)
Yep!
>>> "Don't you recognize your own mother?"
>> I KNOWWW!!! This was a whole new thing! :)
> These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
Yah, that's why I wanna see Joanna return...
>>> I can't wait to see Joey getting in touch with his feminine side again
>>> just like he did in 608 TOW Ross's Teeth.
>> Me too. I think that MLB is having his best season, it's amazing.
> Yeah, he has been great this season, hasn't he? If he keeps up this
> standard we'll have lots to look forward to in addition to a certain
> wedding. :)
Oh, ja!
>>> The first story was so dull I couldn't believe it. Don't get me wrong,
>>> I have nothing against cell-phones and digital fairy tales, in fact
>>> I'm very dependent on my mobile, but when the biggest "laugh" comes
>>> from a ringing purse, you know something is wrong.
>> We have had mobile phones far longer than the Americans, and the first
>> sitcom plots about them appeared in an influential BBC series, "Joking
>> Apart", which came out in 1992. Some of them were most ingenious, for
>> example (using characters from "Friends") Joey is having an affair with
>> Monica, and although Chandler suspects, he doesn't know who the other
>> man is, so he returns home unexpectedly to catch his wife with her lover
>> but just in time Joey manages to barricade himself in the bathroom, and
>> won't come out. Perplexed, Chandler phones his best friend, you guessed
>> it, Joey for advice about the situation, so Joey has to try to calm his
>> friend down in one voice while snarling threats through the bathroom
>> door in another voice, while keeping both personae separate...
> Lol! Cell-phones - they can be a blessing and a curse..
Absolutely, and in dramas now the story can be moved on really fast
since protagonists can contact each other so easily.
>>> The Geller/Bing story was funny, even though making Ross play the
>>> bagpipes was a cheap way of getting laughs. The funniest part was
>>> indeed when Phoebe started singing along with her musical idol.
>> I liked Ross playing the bagpipes (as comedy not music) since he was so
>> genuine, you could really believe in Ross trying to do something special
>> for his Scottish friend - so I didn't see this as a cheap plot at all.
> I guess I sound awfully negative, and don't get me wrong, it was
> *really* funny, but.. I guess you enjoyed all of these plots more
> than I did. :)
Oh, don't worry sweetie, as long as you had fun. :)
>>>> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey
>>>> story, with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the
>>>> adoring fans, and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon,
>>>> who stole every single scene that she was in.
>>> Yeah, it was pretty clear that they were happy to have Cecilia around.
>>> I guess this goes for the cast in real life as well, since Susan
>>> Sarandon has to be one of the best actresses in Hollywood. She's right
>>> up there with legends as Meryl Streep et al.
>> Yes, she really was something - and she proved wrong all those
>> complaints about the futility of stunt casting for the sweeps.
> Absolutely. I'm not surprised, though. She's terrific.
Well, you never quite know how a movie star will cope with the small
screen, but SS certainly had no difficulty.
>>>> The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas
>>>> who dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her
>>>> sympathy for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
>> How about Cecilia's brave comments about the Mexican film industry?
> Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
> Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
> fiery redhead and a lethal guitar case...
Oh, I'm sure that would be something, but no Salma Hayek? :(
>>> The fact that made Joey's plot so enjoyable was that Cecilia was such
>>> a nice lady in real life. I thought she would turn out to be a real
>>> bitch, but luckily, I was proven wrong. Instead she was very sweet
>>> with a touch of sadness that gave her a certain depth.
>> I know, I saw that too, and liked her for the same reasons. But was it
>> that Cecilia had her work personality & her private personality - or was
>> it that at work she was the soap stars that a young Sarandon had to put
>> up with, and in private she was Susan herself?
> I don't know. Ask Tim Robbins. :)
Ah, well I can't, but if you ask me, it was the latter. :)
>> You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't you,
>> and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
Well, that's what he tells pretty girls.
> OTOH, he's also a Star Wars fan.
And that's where his sexual fantasies originate.
>>>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>>>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
>>> Maybe they're phased out. ;)
>> How do you mean, Marita?
> 505 TOW All The Kips. They're leaving the gang - being phased out, just
> like Kip. Not that I think this is the case, though. It was just a joke.
Ah - the only references I knew to phasing things out was Kip and Ross's
accent in 604, and neither of them seemed to fit, so I had to ask you. :)
>>> Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
>> Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
> Have you tried both instruments?
Not at all, but the bagpipes are like a long clarinet broken in half
with a bag & drones inserted between the two parts.
>>>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the
>>>> score for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0)
>>> Actually, I'd say that the score now is Sweden 4 Norway 0,5. Why?
>>> Well, because Chandler mentions that Vikings ruined his past, so if we
>>> assume that the Vikings raiding Scotland were Norwegians, we'd be a
>>> lot closer. ;)
>> Sorry sweetie, I know you're desperate, but no. :)
> Not desperate, just a bit annoyed that when American TV-shows and
> movies mention Scandinavians, you can be sure that they're talking
> about Sweden. It's a lovely country, and Stockholm is the most
> beautiful capital I've ever seen, but there are other Scandinavians
> too.
Absolutely. Think how we feel when Americans can't tell the difference
between Great Britain & Ireland, the UK, and England/Scotland/Wales.
> And the Vikings who went to Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe
> Islands *and* the USA were mostly Norwegians. The Swedes travelled
> eastbound and to Russia. So there.. ;)
Of course, but the game is to have your country mentioned on the
show, and if it doesn't begin with "Norw" then it's no banana.
>>>> Which half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names?
>>>> And what about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
>> What about this?
> Didn't we discuss it in another thread a couple of days ago?
Yes, we were caught still innocently discussing the matter when this
episode came out & addressed it more directly.
> Is Bing a common Scottish name? Bing can be the last part of a Swedish
> last name.
There are several Bings in the IMDb, but the only one with a biography
is Herman Bing, who was born in Frankfurt in 1889. Before "Friends"
began, the only Bing heard of in this country was Bing Crosby, so I
guess that Nora is Scottish, although the European Noras in the IMDb
are Danish, English*4, Finnish*2, Greek, Irish, Italian*2 & Swedish.
>>>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt,
>>>> but was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>>> I was under the impression that she was referring to an incident in
>>> the past.. Another one of her fantasies perhaps? Maybe she fantasized
>>> about William Wallace from Braveheart and wanted to see Ross in that
>>> outfit after he showed up in the navy uniform.
>> At first it sounds like she's referring to an incident in the
>> past, but when you hear it again you're not so sure...
> I don't know, it sounded like an episode from their past to me. And
> I'm sure Rachel melted when Ross showed up on her doorstep in a kilt
> and blue makeup.
What?? Oh, you're still going on about Mel Gibson, aren't you? :)
>>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>>> That was a threat.
>> I know, so why did he?
> Because he didn't want anyone else to know about it, and he could
> start telling about various fudge-incidents?
He still seemed pretty cold to me.
>> Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
> Hmm.. I don't know really. I'm very pessimistic about it since I've
> seen what has happened to long episodes in the past (i.e. the
> double-episodes).
That's because they have to cut out enough for a second title sequence
when made into separate programmes. Here we are hoping that they'll be
stretched out instead into one long one.
>> Can just imagine the argument as Phoebe, Rachel & Chandler tried to
>> divide the cheesecake into three?
> World War III. :)
Lol! There is a way to divide a cake into three, but it's a bit more
elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same principles
of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are you interested?
>>>> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
>>> Maybe she decided that since her birthday was February 16th (the day
>>> after this episode aired on NBC), she needed to talk to some Chinese
>>> people.
>> Because?
> Joey didn't have any relatives there, and even though Joey told her he
> was, Chandler convinced her he was not of Chinese descent. Ergo: She
> had to call someone in China.
Lol, that was because of N'Dolor Bong...
>>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>>> He's still Drake, right?
>> No, he isn't, he's Jessica now.
> Er.. Okay. (My head hurts.)
So does hers!
>>> And I wouldn't be surprised if he had to kiss a man, in. I don't know..
>>> Let's say.. May? ;)
>> Warren Beatty is coming in?
> No, let's hope not. I had enough of him at last year's Oscar ceremony
> when his speech went on and on and on... I was dying to see who'd get
> the big awards, but Beatty kept talking. It was 5 a.m. here, and in
> the end I hoped they would throw him off the stage.
> I'd rather see him kiss Tag.
Actually, I'm starting to miss Tag. I wanna see him finished off properly.
>>>> Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
>>>> Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
>>> Chandler obviously has the same opinion on Sarandon as many people in
>>> Hollywood.
>> According to the IMDb she was arrested on 30th March 1999 for
>> disorderly conduct during a protest in New York over the unarmed
>> shooting of African immigrant Amadou Diallo by four policeman.
> She's also far too "radical" (mind you, not IMO) when it comes to
> capital punishment, which should make her Dubya's new best friend.
How do you mean? I'd have thought they were political opposites?
>>>> Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
>>>> happy showbiz marriage, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
>>> Which is rather ironic since they are not married. They're just living
>>> together.
>> Ah - perhaps that was the point!
> Wait a minute, though. Joey says:
> Chandler, look they're actors. They're there to do a job, just 'cause
> they work together, doesn't mean they're gonna get together. I mean
> just 'cause it happened with Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins, it
> doesn't mean it's gonna happen with them.
> He doesn't say anything about the two of them being married.
Exactly. Once again Chandler (and Ross) should have listened to Joey,
although in the long run that was good for Chandler, and who knows yet
about Ross's fate?
>>>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
> Maybe Joey's wish from 323 will come true after all. :)
But will they call the result Chuck, or... Dick?
> There are a few others as well. There is the one where JA cracks
> up together with DS and MLB at the reception, and then there is a clip
> where DS starts laughing at CCA and MP who have "to catch a very large
> plane to New York".
Why do they say that?
>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB
>>> with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her
>>> brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>> Thanks - I'll check those out.
> VSG
Eek, not done it yet, leave this bit in as a reminder...
>>>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>>>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
>>> Lol! That was one of the highlights of the show for me.
>> Is there a full scene on the Director's Cut side of the DVD?
> I have no idea. Could you tell me if you find out, please? :)
I'm told that the times on the two DVDs are...
Aired Uncut Extra
701 21:00 22:25 1:25
702 21:09 23:57 2:48
703 20:24 20:25 0:01 yes, just 1 second
704 21:00 21:51 0:51
705 21:02 22:08 1:06
706 21:02 23:18 2:16
707 21:02 23:03 2:01
708 21:02 23:07 2:05
..so that could be an extra 2:16 of the contest.
Mouse
"Marita Bakken" <mari...@online.no> wrote in message
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Yes, I was sure that Rosita would be Sarandon's character.
> >
> >>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey
mistaking
> >>> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
> >
> >> Yes, I can understand why he started protesting in the beginning.
> >
> >You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't you,
> >and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
>
> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
> OTOH, he's also a Star Wars fan.
He also seems to have been an avid fan of the Incredible Hulk (418)
> >>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
> >>> indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
> >
> >> Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
> >
> >Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
Really? I thought that the bagpipe was a double-reed instrument and
the fingering looks quite different.
>
> >>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the
score
> >>> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0)
> >
> >> Actually, I'd say that the score now is Sweden 4 Norway 0,5. Why?
> >> Well, because Chandler mentions that Vikings ruined his past, so if we
> >> assume that the Vikings raiding Scotland were Norwegians, we'd be a
> >> lot closer. ;)
> >
> >Sorry sweetie, I know you're desperate, but no. :)
>
> Not desperate, just a bit annoyed that when American TV-shows and
> movies mention Scandinavians, you can be sure that they're talking
> about Sweden. It's a lovely country, and Stockholm is the most
> beautiful capital I've ever seen, but there are other Scandinavians
> too.
>
> And the Vikings who went to Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe
> Islands *and* the USA were mostly Norwegians.
Norwegian Vikings got as far south as the USA? I thought that they only
made it as far south as Newfoundland? Isn't L'Anse aux Meadows the only
authenticated Viking settlement in North America? (that settlement
is dated back to around the year 1000). There is also a lot of evidence
that the Norwegians traded for years with Inuit people.
Perhaps the Americans think of Sweden first because there were a large
number of Swedish immigrants to the States (e.g. Minnesota?)?
>
> >>> but which half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish
names?
> >>> And what about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
> >
> >What about this?
>
> Didn't we discuss it in another thread a couple of days ago? Is Bing a
> common Scottish name? Bing can be the last part of a Swedish last
> name.
Well, Byng is a British Name (e.g. Lord Byng became famous during battle
of Vimy Ridge in WW1 and there is a hockey trophy for good sportsmanship
named after his wife). Bing could be a mispelling of the name (it is quite
common for the spelling of one's name to change when immigrating to NA).
Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (which may be why Joey
thought that Chandler was Chinese in TOW the Last Night).
laura
Marita Bakken
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Tennant Stuart
<laura...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't
>>> you, and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
>> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
>> OTOH, he's also a Star Wars fan.
> He also seems to have been an avid fan of the Incredible Hulk (418)
That's right - so why couldn't he accept the story as a story?
>>>>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune
>>>>> is indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
>>>> Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
>>> Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
> Really? I thought that the bagpipe was a double-reed instrument and
> the fingering looks quite different.
Well, that's because you know a lot more about it than we do!
But wouldn't Chandler's boyhood experience of music played badly on a
clarinet help him to recognise the tune?
>> I'm just a bit annoyed that when American TV-shows and movies mention
>> Scandinavians, you can be sure that they're talking about Sweden. It's
>> a lovely country, and Stockholm is the most beautiful capital I've ever
>> seen, but there are other Scandinavians too.
>> And the Vikings who went to Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe
>> Islands *and* the USA were mostly Norwegians.
> Norwegian Vikings got as far south as the USA? I thought that they only
> made it as far south as Newfoundland? Isn't L'Anse aux Meadows the only
> authenticated Viking settlement in North America? (that settlement
> is dated back to around the year 1000). There is also a lot of evidence
> that the Norwegians traded for years with Inuit people.
> Perhaps the Americans think of Sweden first because there were a large
> number of Swedish immigrants to the States (e.g. Minnesota?)?
According to an old almanac of mine, in 1960 the number of persons in
the USA of foreign birth was 34050406, including from Scandinavia...
Sweden ... 1046942
Norway .... 774754
Denmark ... 399350
Finland ... 240827
..so if we assume that earlier immigration was in proportion, then
although the Swedes were in the majority, it's not overwhelming.
>> Is Bing a common Scottish name? Bing can be the last part of a Swedish
>> last name.
> Well, Byng is a British Name (e.g. Lord Byng became famous during battle
> of Vimy Ridge in WW1 and there is a hockey trophy for good sportsmanship
> named after his wife). Bing could be a mispelling of the name (it is quite
> common for the spelling of one's name to change when immigrating to NA).
Gosh - I never thought to check the Byngs <does so> but the only one in
the IMDb with a biography is Douglas, who was born in England in 1893.
> Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (which may be why Joey
> thought that Chandler was Chinese in TOW the Last Night).
Which once again shows that Joey is much brighter than some people assume.
Tennant Stuart
panic...@aol.com (PanickedOz) wrote:
>>> Not desperate, just a bit annoyed that when American TV-shows and
>>> movies mention Scandinavians, you can be sure that they're talking
>>> about Sweden. It's a lovely country, and Stockholm is the most
>>> beautiful capital I've ever seen, but there are other Scandinavians
>>> too.
>> Absolutely. Think how we feel when Americans can't tell the difference
>> between Great Britain & Ireland, the UK, and England/Scotland/Wales.
> ::timidly delurks::
Awww, don't worry Jaime, I shan't bite. :)
> Um, just to let you guys know that not all Americans are that stupid,
> *I* definitly know the difference between all the above places. And I
> don't see how anyone "can't*..
Lol, I wasn't having a go at you, or any American in particular. And many
Britons get it wrong - sometimes our journalists (who should know better)
talk about Great Britain as though it was a country, which of course it
isn't, any more than Ireland is a country.
> And just a slight defence for the Friends-y people, its not that they
> assume all Scandinavians equal Sweden, its that they actually say the
> words 'Chandler is part Swedish." :) Which of course, you know. lol. I'm
> just saying that its not as though they make him out to be part
> *Scandinavian*, and the rest just assume he's Swedish. (And 'Nora'
> sounds Swedish to me for some reason, but I'm sure I'm wrong.)
Absolutely. They talk about Sweden, so we must assume they mean Sweden,
it's just that as long as other Scandinavian countries are not mentioned
then the suspicion will grow that the two peninsulas are thought of by
the writers as being Sweden only.
> All I know is that if they ever DO mention Norway, I'm gonna be
> all "OO! Marita will be so happy!" :D
Let's hope so, me too, but at the moment the score remains....
Denmark ... 0
Finland ... 0
Norway .... 0
Sweden .... 4
..even though they might have talked about a Danish, but haven't.
Mouse
"Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Because he thinks that he is superior because he does not watch soaps?
Because science fiction is set in another time where things like brain
transplants may be possible, but the technology isn't supported here on
this planet at this time?
Because the Incredible Hulk is set as a fantasy (though he quoted like it
wasn't one in 418) while soap operas are nominally grounded in the
real world?
Because Ross likes to think that he is smarter than the rest of the gang
and likes to try to rub their noses in it? Just saying.
A combination of all or none of the above?
>
>
> >>>>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune
> >>>>> is indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
>
> >>>> Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
>
> >>> Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
>
> > Really? I thought that the bagpipe was a double-reed instrument and
> > the fingering looks quite different.
>
> Well, that's because you know a lot more about it than we do!
I can hardly claim to be an expert on either instrument. I have played my
sister's clarinet, but I never been close enough to a set of bagpipes to
play
them.
>
> But wouldn't Chandler's boyhood experience of music played badly on a
> clarinet help him to recognise the tune?
Possibly. But I think the bagpipes offer a unique opportunity for making
a horrible sound if one does not know how to play them. Didn't the English
once declare them to be a weapon of war?
There is a local stand up comic whose shtick is to play non-traditional
songs on the bagpipe. He actually plays a fairly recognizable versions
of everything from "Stairway to Heaven" to the "Theme from Star Wars".
He also can get them to do an amazing impersonation of a fire alarm
followed by the arrival of fire trucks.
>
> > Perhaps the Americans think of Sweden first because there were a large
> > number of Swedish immigrants to the States (e.g. Minnesota?)?
>
> According to an old almanac of mine, in 1960 the number of persons in
> the USA of foreign birth was 34050406, including from Scandinavia...
>
> Sweden ... 1046942
> Norway .... 774754
> Denmark ... 399350
> Finland ... 240827
>
> ..so if we assume that earlier immigration was in proportion, then
> although the Swedes were in the majority, it's not overwhelming.
Okay, that blows that theory. Maybe Americans think of Sweden first
because they love Ikea.
>
> >> Is Bing a common Scottish name? Bing can be the last part of a Swedish
> >> last name.
>
> > Well, Byng is a British Name (e.g. Lord Byng became famous during battle
> > of Vimy Ridge in WW1 and there is a hockey trophy for good sportsmanship
> > named after his wife). Bing could be a mispelling of the name (it is
quite
> > common for the spelling of one's name to change when immigrating to NA).
>
> Gosh - I never thought to check the Byngs <does so> but the only one in
> the IMDb with a biography is Douglas, who was born in England in 1893.
Do an internet search and you will find that there are a lot of Byngs out
there
(and a lot of place names/schools, but they are probably all named after
aforementioned Lord Byng).
>
> > Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (which may be why Joey
> > thought that Chandler was Chinese in TOW the Last Night).
>
> Which once again shows that Joey is much brighter than some people assume.
He probably just knows his history of food (Bing Cherries are named after
the Chinese farmer who first cultivated them).
laura
Tennant Stuart
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British/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 715...
Which one was your choice, Laura?
>>>>>>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the
>>>>>>> tune is indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
>>>>>> Yeah, I know! Chandler obviously knows a bit about bagpipes.
>>>>> Well, he is a clarinet player, which is very similar.
>>> Really? I thought that the bagpipe was a double-reed instrument and
>>> the fingering looks quite different.
>> Well, that's because you know a lot more about it than we do!
> I can hardly claim to be an expert on either instrument. I have played
> my sister's clarinet, but I never been close enough to a set of bagpipes
> to play them.
Ah.
>> But wouldn't Chandler's boyhood experience of music played badly on a
>> clarinet help him to recognise the tune?
> Possibly. But I think the bagpipes offer a unique opportunity for making
> a horrible sound if one does not know how to play them. Didn't the English
> once declare them to be a weapon of war?
Did they? I wouldn't know. I think the sound is beautiful.
> There is a local stand up comic whose shtick is to play non-traditional
> songs on the bagpipe. He actually plays a fairly recognizable versions
> of everything from "Stairway to Heaven" to the "Theme from Star Wars".
> He also can get them to do an amazing impersonation of a fire alarm
> followed by the arrival of fire trucks.
Lol! I'm listening to "Stairway to Heaven" on the pipes right now (in
my head) and it sounds quite good.
>>> Perhaps the Americans think of Sweden first because there were a large
>>> number of Swedish immigrants to the States (e.g. Minnesota?)?
>> According to an old almanac of mine, in 1960 the number of persons in
>> the USA of foreign birth was 34050406, including from Scandinavia...
>> Sweden ... 1046942
>> Norway .... 774754
>> Denmark ... 399350
>> Finland ... 240827
>> ..so if we assume that earlier immigration was in proportion, then
>> although the Swedes were in the majority, it's not overwhelming.
> Okay, that blows that theory. Maybe Americans think of Sweden first
> because they love Ikea.
Lol, it's a shame that Pottery Barn isn't Norwegian! :)
>> Gosh - I never thought to check the Byngs <does so> but the only one in
>> the IMDb with a biography is Douglas, who was born in England in 1893.
> Do an internet search and you will find that there are a lot of Byngs
> out there (and a lot of place names/schools, but they are probably all
> named after aforementioned Lord Byng).
Yep. So which half of Chandler is which?
>>> Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (which may be why Joey
>>> thought that Chandler was Chinese in TOW the Last Night).
>> Which once again shows that Joey is much brighter than some people
>> assume.
> He probably just knows his history of food (Bing Cherries are named after
> the Chinese farmer who first cultivated them).
Lol! Is that how *you* knew?
Mouse
At the risk of facing the wrath of Ross fans, I would say a combination
of all of the above. In the past, he has seemed derisive of soaps, science
fiction and fantasy shows are not set in today's reality and he can be
pretty
condescending to his friends
Do you have a choice, Tennant?
> >>>>>>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the
> >>>>>>> tune is indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
>
<snip>
>
>
> >> But wouldn't Chandler's boyhood experience of music played badly on a
> >> clarinet help him to recognise the tune?
>
> > Possibly. But I think the bagpipes offer a unique opportunity for making
> > a horrible sound if one does not know how to play them. Didn't the
English
> > once declare them to be a weapon of war?
>
> Did they? I wouldn't know. I think the sound is beautiful.
I recall listening to a radio interview with a chap in Britain. He
had been playing his bagpipes in the local park and the local council,
in an attempt to make him stop, had made it illegal to play instruments
in the park. He was attempting to get around this rule by bringing up
the fact that England had long ago declared them to be weapons of
war (the Scottish troops often played them as they marched into battle)
and that declaration had never been reappealed. It was quite a funny
interview.
But, I agree with you, bagpipes played well do sound beautiful.
> > There is a local stand up comic whose shtick is to play non-traditional
> > songs on the bagpipe. He actually plays a fairly recognizable versions
> > of everything from "Stairway to Heaven" to the "Theme from Star Wars".
> > He also can get them to do an amazing impersonation of a fire alarm
> > followed by the arrival of fire trucks.
>
> Lol! I'm listening to "Stairway to Heaven" on the pipes right now (in
> my head) and it sounds quite good.
At the risk of facing the wrath of Led Zepplin fans......
> >>> Perhaps the Americans think of Sweden first because there were a large
> >>> number of Swedish immigrants to the States (e.g. Minnesota?)?
>
> >> According to an old almanac of mine, in 1960 the number of persons in
> >> the USA of foreign birth was 34050406, including from Scandinavia...
>
> >> Sweden ... 1046942
> >> Norway .... 774754
> >> Denmark ... 399350
> >> Finland ... 240827
>
> >> ..so if we assume that earlier immigration was in proportion, then
> >> although the Swedes were in the majority, it's not overwhelming.
>
> > Okay, that blows that theory. Maybe Americans think of Sweden first
> > because they love Ikea.
>
> Lol, it's a shame that Pottery Barn isn't Norwegian! :)
Well, maybe White Plains has a large Norwegian population....
I don't know about my theory. Lego is pretty popular in the States,
but it doesn't seemed to have helped Denmark come to the forefront
of American consciousness like Sweden and be mentioned on
Friends either. The reasons for Sweden's high profile may remain
a mystery.
> >> Gosh - I never thought to check the Byngs <does so> but the only one in
> >> the IMDb with a biography is Douglas, who was born in England in 1893.
>
> > Do an internet search and you will find that there are a lot of Byngs
> > out there (and a lot of place names/schools, but they are probably all
> > named after aforementioned Lord Byng).
>
> Yep. So which half of Chandler is which?
Well, I answered that in another repsonse to this thread, but perhaps
it has not been propagated yet. At the risk of facing the wrath of the
net bandwidth police, I will repeat myself and say that I think that
the Bing (his father) was of Scottish ancestory while his mother is
of Swedish ancestory (the Tyler doesn't sound Swedish to me, but
it could be the name of one of her other husbands are she could have
taken it on because she thought it was a better pen name).
> >>> Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (which may be why Joey
> >>> thought that Chandler was Chinese in TOW the Last Night).
>
> >> Which once again shows that Joey is much brighter than some people
> >> assume.
>
> > He probably just knows his history of food (Bing Cherries are named
after
> > the Chinese farmer who first cultivated them).
>
> Lol! Is that how *you* knew?
No, somebody over on the Angel's Friends pages told me that Bing was
a Chinese name (a character in the book the Joy Luck Club had the name).
That got me wondering where Bing Cherries got their names (I had always
assumed that they were somehow named after the Lord Byng) and found
out that they were actually named after a Chinese orchardist.
laura
Tennant Stuart
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I agree with you except for the science fiction & the fantasy shows...
>>> I think the bagpipes offer a unique opportunity for making a horrible
>>> sound if one does not know how to play them. Didn't the English once
>>> declare them to be a weapon of war?
>> Did they? I wouldn't know. I think the sound is beautiful.
> I recall listening to a radio interview with a chap in Britain. He
> had been playing his bagpipes in the local park and the local council,
> in an attempt to make him stop, had made it illegal to play instruments
> in the park. He was attempting to get around this rule by bringing up
> the fact that England had long ago declared them to be weapons of
> war (the Scottish troops often played them as they marched into battle)
> and that declaration had never been reappealed. It was quite a funny
> interview.
Lol!
> But, I agree with you, bagpipes played well do sound beautiful.
Thanks. :)
>> I'm listening to "Stairway to Heaven" on the pipes right now (in
>> my head) and it sounds quite good.
> At the risk of facing the wrath of Led Zepplin fans......
I should think any Led Zep fan would have heard S2H so much that they
would welcome the refreshing change - the original hasn't gone away.
>>> Maybe Americans think of Sweden first because they love Ikea.
>> Lol, it's a shame that Pottery Barn isn't Norwegian! :)
> Well, maybe White Plains has a large Norwegian population....
> I don't know about my theory. Lego is pretty popular in the States,
> but it doesn't seemed to have helped Denmark come to the forefront
> of American consciousness like Sweden and be mentioned on
> Friends either. The reasons for Sweden's high profile may remain
> a mystery.
Anything to do with eating swedes?
>> So which half of Chandler is which?
> Well, I answered that in another response to this thread, but perhaps
> it has not been propagated yet. At the risk of facing the wrath of the
> net bandwidth police, I will repeat myself and say that I think that
> the Bing (his father) was of Scottish ancestory while his mother is
> of Swedish ancestory (the Tyler doesn't sound Swedish to me, but
> it could be the name of one of her other husbands are she could have
> taken it on because she thought it was a better pen name).
Yes, I tend to agree with that - but you've just surprised me with the
possibility that Mr.Bing was not Nora's first husband, maybe because
we'd known Chandler for six years before we learnt that she'd married
four times. Mind you, Morgan Fairchild is only 19 years older than
Matthew Perry, so Nora would have had to start early. What we can say
is that she came to fame while married to Chandler's father.
>>>>> Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (which may be why Joey
>>>>> thought that Chandler was Chinese in TOW the Last Night).
>>>> Which once again shows that Joey is much brighter than some people
>>>> assume.
>>> He probably just knows his history of food (Bing Cherries are named
>>> after the Chinese farmer who first cultivated them).
>> Lol! Is that how *you* knew?
> No, somebody over on the Angel's Friends pages told me that Bing was
> a Chinese name (a character in the book the Joy Luck Club had the name).
> That got me wondering where Bing Cherries got their names (I had always
> assumed that they were somehow named after the Lord Byng) and found
> out that they were actually named after a Chinese orchardist.
Ah. The book character didn't make it into the movie, though. :)
Mouse
> Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
>
> 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain"
>
<summary of Ross playing the bagpipes>
I thought this was an okay story. I liked how Chandler and Monica
first tried to nicely talk Ross out of playing the bagpipes without
acknowledging what they were up to (Swedes just sitting quietly indeed!)
I also thought it was cute when Phoebe tried to sing along when she didn't
have a clue as to what the song was.
I guess Chandler and Monica are willing to only let one of their
friends/relatives
make musical gaffes at their wedding (Phoebe's songs are probably be a bit
of an acquired taste)
>
> ---o0o---
<summary of Phoebe and Rachel fighting over a phone to get a guy>
This plot wasn't as good as the first. The pay-off in the end was just not
as funny as the first one (ie Phoebe being interested in the old guy wasn't
all that funny. We've seen her interseted in older guys before and it
doesn't
seem all that strange or amusing that she would be again). I did like how
Phoebe kept managing to get the phone away from Rachel.
>
> ---o0o---
<summary of Joey getting a new brain>
I loved this plot. MLB and Susan Sarandon did a terrific job and the
writing was fantastic. IMO, this plot made the episode. Susan cleary
came to act and this is probably the best job of stunt casting the show
has ever done. The parody of soap opera divas was great.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
> while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
> hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
Yep. They weren't as stellar as the Joey/Cecilia story, but they did amuse.
>
> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
> with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
> and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
> single scene that she was in.
Yep.
> The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
> dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
> for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
Yep.
>
> Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
> arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
> also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
> being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
Yep......I better find something else to say or I'm going to get flamed for
wasting bandwidth.
> ---o0o---
>
> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
> didn't screech.
Yes....although I think she should have let Ross play the bagpipes at her
wedding provided he limited himself to one song. He did go to a lot of
effort to try to do something for them and I imagine that bagpipes aren't
cheap. It would make him happy, it would cost her nothing and a five minute
interlude of lousy music will give the guests a chance to hit the loo.
>
> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
That exchange was pretty funny.
>
> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life? On the
show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May birthday
since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had other trysts since
then which haven't been shown on the shows.
>
> Ross says that it's winter, which is awkward if we assume that Rachel's
> 30th birthday in 714 was set in May. We can't even pretend the sequence
> skipped, since Phoebe remarks that it's a week since Rachel dumped Tag.
Maybe Ross has a different definition of winter than us. If it is cold, he
still
considers it to be winter. Perhaps the New York in the fictional Friend's
univers is having a late spring this year. Perhaps we are not meant to think
about these things too much ;-)
>
> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
Well, there were the times that Monica made dinner for Chandler to make
up for pretending that she made the sock puppet she gave to him in TOW
The Unagi. We also saw them eat a meal together in TOW That Could
Have Been when Dr. Roger gets called away for an emergency.
>
> And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
Let's not go there.
>
> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
> indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
Yes, there was just a hint of it there.
>
> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0) but which
> half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
> about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
I'm guessing that the "Bing" is Scottish and Nora is of Swedish ancestry. Do
we know where the Tyler comes from? It doesn't sound Swedish, but it may
have come from one of her other husbands or just be a name she took because
she felt it made her sound more like a writer.
>
> Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
> really was David Schwimmer playing them.
Well, if he just started to play them, he did a pretty good job (especially
since he was trying to be bad).
>
> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
I think that she was referencing a past incident.
>
> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
He really did not want the secret to come out?
He has grown wary of her advances since they blew up on him in 701?
Remember that he seemed pretty suspicious of her in TOW the Nap
Partners when she flirted with him when she found out he was going
to be one of the judges. If Rachel decides that she wants to date him
again, is she going to have to work hard to convince him to give it
another go?
He was concentrating on playing his best so that he would get to play at
the wedding and didn't want the distractions?
>
> Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
> now the kindred spirits?
Or just a sign that Phoebe likes to have fun and has no taste in music (she
also enjoyed his playing of the keyboard).
>
> According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
> message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
> together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
> of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
That is a little out of character, isn't it? No matter how bad there
performances
have been in the past, haven't the friends always shown up? How many bad
plays have Phoebe and Ross had to sit through just because Joey was in them?
>
> The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
> at Central Perk, in the grand tradition of Hums While He Pees in 705
> "TOW the Engagement Picture".
Well, she might not be a regular. She could have been christened with
the obvious nickname when she entered the bar to drive home which physical
feature should attract the phone guy's attention if he was straight.
>
> Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
> getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
> that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
> to dinner and not having sex.
That was cute.
>
> Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
> have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
> of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
But would she have had to catch the cheesecake in her hand? Phones tend
to hold together better than cakes. The cake might have ended up all over
the floor, regardless (and if it didn't, we would have missed the great
scene
with Joey pulling the fork out of his jacket)
>
> What is Barney's? Is it a department store as I've assumed?
Yes, Barneys is an upscale department store in New York.
>Why didn't the script use a more famous name like Macy's?
Because when people think Macy's they think of the store while Barney
could pass as just a person's name? Remember that Phoebe initially does
not believe that listing for Barneys is for the store.
>Or is Barney's equally famous in New York City?
It is famous, but probably not as famous as Macy's or Saks.
>
> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
> Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
Why did Rachel not take her table with her? Has she grown tired of it
or did Phoebe buy it from her? Or does she just not want Joey to eat
of it? They could probably find a spot for it if she wanted in her new
apartment.
>
> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
Because China is further away than Minsk so a better value on somebody
elses phone? Because she doesn't have David's phone number? Because
she doesn't want to open that old wound up again?
>
> This is not the first time that "Friends" has sent up the soap opera
> drink-in-the-face routine, there was of course the classic scene in
> 212 "TOA the Superbowl (part 1)" where Rachel, Monica & Chandler
> threw water in the face of Hans Ramoray, Drake's evil twin.
That was a great scene.
>
> Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
> granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
I'm sure that she has been abusive to the writers for years. They probably
wanted to write her out for a long time but couldn't because she was too
popular. Perhaps her popularity declined just enough that the writers were
finally able to come up with a plot twist sensational enough to convince
the producers to let them writer her out.
>
> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
We might...when the producers of Friends feel they need a sensational
plot twist...although, they have already done the story where Joey
has to learn how to kiss a man. Maybe Jessica will find out that she has
been a lesbian all these years and that has been what has made her so
unhappy over all these years.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
> it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
> than Rachel, but we could not be sure.
And happily, Rachel cracking up would fit into the scene so if it was
the actress, she needn't really hide it.
laura
>
Mouse
How so? Good Science Fiction should be based on what is feasible,
but there is no reason that in a more scientifically knowledgeable
future/past that brain transplants would not be possible. The Incredible
Hulk could just be a childhood fascination before he knew better.
> >> I'm listening to "Stairway to Heaven" on the pipes right now (in
> >> my head) and it sounds quite good.
>
> > At the risk of facing the wrath of Led Zepplin fans......
>
> I should think any Led Zep fan would have heard S2H so much that they
> would welcome the refreshing change - the original hasn't gone away.
Er...at the risk of facing the wrath of Led Zepplin
fans....um..er..Gilligan!
>
> >>> Maybe Americans think of Sweden first because they love Ikea.
>
> >> Lol, it's a shame that Pottery Barn isn't Norwegian! :)
>
> > Well, maybe White Plains has a large Norwegian population....
> > I don't know about my theory. Lego is pretty popular in the States,
> > but it doesn't seemed to have helped Denmark come to the forefront
> > of American consciousness like Sweden and be mentioned on
> > Friends either. The reasons for Sweden's high profile may remain
> > a mystery.
>
> Anything to do with eating swedes?
Excuse me? Eating Swedes? What are you British people up to now?
I'd heard there was a little problem with the livestock, but leave the
tourists alone! Chips and Swedes. Swede in a Blanket. Spotted Swede.
Swede and Mushy Peas. Swedes and Mash.
>
> >> So which half of Chandler is which?
>
> > Well, I answered that in another response to this thread, but perhaps
> > it has not been propagated yet. At the risk of facing the wrath of the
> > net bandwidth police, I will repeat myself and say that I think that
> > the Bing (his father) was of Scottish ancestory while his mother is
> > of Swedish ancestory (the Tyler doesn't sound Swedish to me, but
> > it could be the name of one of her other husbands are she could have
> > taken it on because she thought it was a better pen name).
>
> Yes, I tend to agree with that - but you've just surprised me with the
> possibility that Mr.Bing was not Nora's first husband, maybe because
> we'd known Chandler for six years before we learnt that she'd married
> four times. Mind you, Morgan Fairchild is only 19 years older than
> Matthew Perry, so Nora would have had to start early. What we can say
> is that she came to fame while married to Chandler's father.
Well, Priscilla Presley was pretty young the first time she got married
(and nobody plays their exact age on Friends anyway). Besides, women
seem to get old in Hollywood fast (Angela Landsbury once played the
mother of a man older than herself).
laura
Tennant Stuart
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Yeah - instead of singing the words, she sang like the instrument. :)
> I guess Chandler and Monica are willing to only let one of their
> friends/relatives make musical gaffes at their wedding (Phoebe's songs
> are probably be a bit of an acquired taste)
Actually the wedding music that she played for Joey, (just after Monica
said that she didn't feel like going to The Plaza), was quite nice.
>> ---o0o---
> <summary of Phoebe and Rachel fighting over a phone to get a guy>
> This plot wasn't as good as the first. The pay-off in the end was just
> not as funny as the first one (ie Phoebe being interested in the old guy
> wasn't all that funny. We've seen her interseted in older guys before
> and it doesn't seem all that strange or amusing that she would be
> again). I did like how Phoebe kept managing to get the phone away from
> Rachel.
I quite agree, it was just the bits along the way that were nice.
>> ---o0o---
> <summary of Joey getting a new brain>
> I loved this plot. MLB and Susan Sarandon did a terrific job and the
> writing was fantastic. IMO, this plot made the episode. Susan clearly
> came to act and this is probably the best job of stunt casting the show
> has ever done. The parody of soap opera divas was great.
We are of one mind, Laura! SS now tops my list of best guests.
And when Monica & Rachel guested in this story it was their best bit in
the episode, just as Phoebe's came when she guested in the bagpipe story.
>> ---o0o---
>> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
>> while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
>> hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
> Yep. They weren't as stellar as the Joey/Cecilia story, but they did
> amuse.
Yep.
>> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>> with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>> and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>> single scene that she was in.
> Yep.
Yep.
>> The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
>> dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
>> for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
> Yep.
Yep.
>> Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
>> arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
>> also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
>> being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
> Yep......I better find something else to say or I'm going to get flamed
> for wasting bandwidth.
Yep.
I think it's nice to agree, even if it leaves us short of conversation.
>> ---o0o---
>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
>> didn't screech.
> Yes....although I think she should have let Ross play the bagpipes at
> her wedding provided he limited himself to one song. He did go to a lot
> of effort to try to do something for them and I imagine that bagpipes
> aren't cheap. It would make him happy, it would cost her nothing and a
> five minute interlude of lousy music will give the guests a chance to
> hit the loo.
All she has to do is let Phoebe sing along, and the guests will lap it up.
>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
>> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
> That exchange was pretty funny.
Ah! A bit you enjoyed slightly more than I did!
>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
> Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life? On the
> show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May birthday
> since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had other trysts
> since then which haven't been shown on the shows.
That could well be so, but she was the last we'd heard of.
>> Ross says that it's winter, which is awkward if we assume that Rachel's
>> 30th birthday in 714 was set in May. We can't even pretend the sequence
>> skipped, since Phoebe remarks that it's a week since Rachel dumped Tag.
> Maybe Ross has a different definition of winter than us. If it is
> cold, he still considers it to be winter. Perhaps the New York in the
> fictional Friend's univers is having a late spring this year. Perhaps
> we are not meant to think about these things too much ;-)
I'm going for the cold snap option. :)
>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
> Well, there were the times that Monica made dinner for Chandler to make
> up for pretending that she made the sock puppet she gave to him in TOW
> The Unagi. We also saw them eat a meal together in TOW That Could
> Have Been when Dr. Roger gets called away for an emergency.
We didn't see the meal in Unagi, but TOT Could Have Been does count.
>> And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
> Let's not go there.
Okay.
>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
>> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0) but which
>> half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
>> about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
> I'm guessing that the "Bing" is Scottish and Nora is of Swedish
> ancestry. Do we know where the Tyler comes from? It doesn't sound
> Swedish, but it may have come from one of her other husbands or just be
> a name she took because she felt it made her sound more like a writer.
Could Tyler be her maiden name?
>> Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
>> really was David Schwimmer playing them.
> Well, if he just started to play them, he did a pretty good job
> (especially since he was trying to be bad).
Yes, that shows his dedication. I was impressed. :)
>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
>> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
> I think that she was referencing a past incident.
Hmmm - I find it curiously in between...
ROSS: Now, remember, you have to imagine me in a kilt.
RACHEL: I can imagine you in a short plaid skirt, and knee-socks!
ROSS: You wanna start telling secrets?
..since Rachel said "imagine", not "remember", but then there was...
ROSS: Y'know I can see you naked any time I want.
RACHEL: What?
ROSS: All I have to do is close my eyes. Woo-hoo!!
..in 319 "TOW the Tiny T-shirt", so I just don't know.
>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
> He really did not want the secret to come out?
If he wanted her, she would be worth more than that, surely?
> He has grown wary of her advances since they blew up on him in 701?
> Remember that he seemed pretty suspicious of her in TOW the Nap
> Partners when she flirted with him when she found out he was going
> to be one of the judges. If Rachel decides that she wants to date him
> again, is she going to have to work hard to convince him to give it
> another go?
Once bitten, twice shy? That's very plausible.
> He was concentrating on playing his best so that he would get to play at
> the wedding and didn't want the distractions?
Nah, I reckon he no longer trusts her.
>> Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>> now the kindred spirits?
> Or just a sign that Phoebe likes to have fun and has no taste in music
> (she also enjoyed his playing of the keyboard).
That was the kindred spirit thing again. :)
>> According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
>> message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
>> together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
>> of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
> That is a little out of character, isn't it? No matter how bad there
> performances have been in the past, haven't the friends always shown up?
> How many bad plays have Phoebe and Ross had to sit through just because
> Joey was in them?
I dunno, isn't just Joey that gets this support?
Remember how Ross through a flat-warming party and only Phoebe turned up,
and even she went to the wrong party next door?
Joey was trying to get away from his girlfriend, Chandler was a bit in
the dog-house, while Rachel & Monica had nothing better to do, so why
didn't they show up at Ross's?
>> The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
>> at Central Perk, in the grand tradition of Hums While He Pees in 705
>> "TOW the Engagement Picture".
> Well, she might not be a regular. She could have been christened with
> the obvious nickname when she entered the bar to drive home which physical
> feature should attract the phone guy's attention if he was straight.
Oh, I didn't see it like that, but you could be right.
>> Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
>> getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
>> that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
>> to dinner and not having sex.
> That was cute.
Yep. :)
>> Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
>> have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
>> of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
> But would she have had to catch the cheesecake in her hand? Phones tend
> to hold together better than cakes. The cake might have ended up all over
> the floor, regardless (and if it didn't, we would have missed the great
> scene with Joey pulling the fork out of his jacket)
Maybe the story would end with Joey eating the cake off Phoebe...
>> What is Barney's? Is it a department store as I've assumed?
> Yes, Barneys is an upscale department store in New York.
Thankyou Laura, yes. Someone mailed me saying it's like a boutique with
contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china & silver. It
originated in New York City, (specialising in men's clothing), but they
have now spread to other big cities such as Chicago & Tokyo. She said it
is be perfect for Rachel, better than Bloomingdale's, and she advised me
to check out http://www.barneys.com for more details.
>> Why didn't the script use a more famous name like Macy's?
> Because when people think Macy's they think of the store while Barney
> could pass as just a person's name? Remember that Phoebe initially does
> not believe that listing for Barneys is for the store.
That's such a good point I feel ashamed not to have thought of it.
>> Or is Barney's equally famous in New York City?
> It is famous, but probably not as famous as Macy's or Saks.
And it's upscale, whatever that means... :)
>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
>> Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
> Why did Rachel not take her table with her? Has she grown tired of it
> or did Phoebe buy it from her? Or does she just not want Joey to eat
> of it? They could probably find a spot for it if she wanted in her new
> apartment.
I know, it's very puzzling. What I most want Rachel to do with it is
give it to Ross, not just because there's a story there, but to see
if there really are two ATs or just one they move around a lot.
>> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
> Because China is further away than Minsk so a better value on somebody
> elses phone? Because she doesn't have David's phone number? Because
> she doesn't want to open that old wound up again?
I think your other-side-of-the-world theory is best.
>> This is not the first time that "Friends" has sent up the soap opera
>> drink-in-the-face routine, there was of course the classic scene in
>> 212 "TOA the Superbowl (part 1)" where Rachel, Monica & Chandler
>> threw water in the face of Hans Ramoray, Drake's evil twin.
> That was a great scene.
Yep. I like the way Ross points to the water-throwers at the end.
>> Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
>> granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
> I'm sure that she has been abusive to the writers for years. They probably
> wanted to write her out for a long time but couldn't because she was too
> popular. Perhaps her popularity declined just enough that the writers were
> finally able to come up with a plot twist sensational enough to convince
> the producers to let them writer her out.
Aww, that sounds right, but it's still a shame, even if I am worrying
over a doubly-fictional character. It also occurs to me that if Miss
Sarandon had not been a star, she could have joined the cast as Joey's
new roomie in Season 6 - she would have been sensational.
>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
> We might...when the producers of Friends feel they need a sensational
> plot twist...although, they have already done the story where Joey
> has to learn how to kiss a man. Maybe Jessica will find out that she has
> been a lesbian all these years and that has been what has made her so
> unhappy over all these years.
Ah yes, a clever twist, Laura. :)
>> When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
>> it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
>> than Rachel, but we could not be sure.
> And happily, Rachel cracking up would fit into the scene so if it was
> the actress, she needn't really hide it.
Jennifer did try to hide it a bit though, or was that Rachel's shyness?
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>>>>>> Why couldn't Ross accept the story as a story?
>>>>> Because he thinks that he is superior because he does not watch soaps?
>>>>> Because science fiction is set in another time where things like
>>>>> brain transplants may be possible, but the technology isn't
>>>>> supported here on this planet at this time?
>>>>> Because the Incredible Hulk is set as a fantasy (though he quoted
>>>>> like it wasn't one in 418) while soap operas are nominally grounded
>>>>> in the real world?
>>>>> Because Ross likes to think that he is smarter than the rest of the
>>>>> gang and likes to try to rub their noses in it? Just saying.
>>>>> A combination of all or none of the above?
>>>> Which one was your choice, Laura?
>>> At the risk of facing the wrath of Ross fans, I would say a
>>> combination of all of the above. In the past, he has seemed derisive
>>> of soaps, science fiction and fantasy shows are not set in today's
>>> reality and he can be pretty condescending to his friends
>>> Do you have a choice, Tennant?
>> I agree with you except for the science fiction & the fantasy shows...
> How so? Good Science Fiction should be based on what is feasible,
> but there is no reason that in a more scientifically knowledgeable
> future/past that brain transplants would not be possible. The Incredible
> Hulk could just be a childhood fascination before he knew better.
That's why I said it, an SF/comic fan would accept a brain transplant
in a story, so deleting those two from your reply leaves us with Ross
is derisive of soaps and can be pretty condescending to his friends.
>>>> I'm listening to "Stairway to Heaven" on the pipes right now (in
>>>> my head) and it sounds quite good.
>>> At the risk of facing the wrath of Led Zepplin fans......
>> I should think any Led Zep fan would have heard S2H so much that they
>> would welcome the refreshing change - the original hasn't gone away.
> Er...at the risk of facing the wrath of Led Zepplin
> fans....um..er..Gilligan!
Aaaaarggghhhh! lol
>>>>> Maybe Americans think of Sweden first because they love Ikea.
>>>> Lol, it's a shame that Pottery Barn isn't Norwegian! :)
>>> Well, maybe White Plains has a large Norwegian population....
>>> I don't know about my theory. Lego is pretty popular in the States,
>>> but it doesn't seemed to have helped Denmark come to the forefront
>>> of American consciousness like Sweden and be mentioned on
>>> Friends either. The reasons for Sweden's high profile may remain
>>> a mystery.
>> Anything to do with eating swedes?
> Excuse me? Eating Swedes? What are you British people up to now?
> I'd heard there was a little problem with the livestock, but leave the
> tourists alone! Chips and Swedes. Swede in a Blanket. Spotted Swede.
> Swede and Mushy Peas. Swedes and Mash.
I know you're teasing me, but I said swedes not Swedes.
Or do Americans eat Hamburgers?
>> You've just surprised me with the possibility that Mr.Bing was not
>> Nora's first husband, maybe because we'd known Chandler for six years
>> before we learnt that she'd married four times. Mind you, Morgan
>> Fairchild is only 19 years older than Matthew Perry, so Nora would have
>> had to start early. What we can say is that she came to fame while
>> married to Chandler's father.
> Well, Priscilla Presley was pretty young the first time she got married
> (and nobody plays their exact age on Friends anyway). Besides, women
> seem to get old in Hollywood fast (Angela Landsbury once played the
> mother of a man older than herself).
Indeed? I know she played Laurence Harvey's mother in "The Manchurian
Candidate", even though she was only 3 years older than he was (he died
in 1973 while she is going strong nearly 30 years later).
Mouse
But! SF is not necessarily set on present day Earth involving only
humans. Our current technology does not support brain transplants.
So for a show set in reality, casually doing a brain transplant is
not a realistic plot scenario. One could still enjoy SF and think that
the soap opera plot was daft.
>
>
> >>>>> Maybe Americans think of Sweden first because they love Ikea.
>
> >>>> Lol, it's a shame that Pottery Barn isn't Norwegian! :)
>
> >>> Well, maybe White Plains has a large Norwegian population....
> >>> I don't know about my theory. Lego is pretty popular in the States,
> >>> but it doesn't seemed to have helped Denmark come to the forefront
> >>> of American consciousness like Sweden and be mentioned on
> >>> Friends either. The reasons for Sweden's high profile may remain
> >>> a mystery.
>
> >> Anything to do with eating swedes?
>
> > Excuse me? Eating Swedes? What are you British people up to now?
> > I'd heard there was a little problem with the livestock, but leave the
> > tourists alone! Chips and Swedes. Swede in a Blanket. Spotted Swede.
> > Swede and Mushy Peas. Swedes and Mash.
>
> I know you're teasing me, but I said swedes not Swedes.
Okay, I looked it up in the dictionary. Oxford defines a swede to
be a yellow-fleshed turnip originating in Sweden. Merriam-
Webster (considered by many to be the dictionary of standard
American word usage) the word swede means rutabaga but notes
that the usage is "chiefly British". So, based on that, I would
suggest that the eating of "swedes" does not explain why Americans
seem to think of Sweden before Norway (besides, I will continue
to use the word rutabaga because it is so much more fun to say).
I think that the Swedish Chef has had more influence than turnips.
>
> Or do Americans eat Hamburgers?
Yes they do! But they would never eat a fine burgher from
Hamburg. Tourists to America are quite safe from being
turned into part of a tradtional Birtish trifle ....
>
> >> You've just surprised me with the possibility that Mr.Bing was not
> >> Nora's first husband, maybe because we'd known Chandler for six years
> >> before we learnt that she'd married four times. Mind you, Morgan
> >> Fairchild is only 19 years older than Matthew Perry, so Nora would have
> >> had to start early. What we can say is that she came to fame while
> >> married to Chandler's father.
>
> > Well, Priscilla Presley was pretty young the first time she got married
> > (and nobody plays their exact age on Friends anyway). Besides, women
> > seem to get old in Hollywood fast (Angela Landsbury once played the
> > mother of a man older than herself).
>
> Indeed? I know she played Laurence Harvey's mother in "The Manchurian
> Candidate", even though she was only 3 years older than he was (he died
> in 1973 while she is going strong nearly 30 years later).
Ah...my mistake. I was thinking of the Manchurian Candiate and I thought
she was younger. Still, a 3 year old mom must be some kind of record.
laura
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>>>>> Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
>
>>>> In certain parts she was hilarious, but as for the rest of her
>>>> story...
>
>>> Yeah, but at the time she was hilarious, she never been so hilarious.
>
>> Pardon?
>
>Oops, that should be...
>
>At the time she was hilarious, she HAD never been so hilarious.
Okay.. I kind of agree with you..
>> I had heard what the other titles were about (even though everything
>> was *very* vague), and I knew Joey's brain had something to do with
>> DOOL, but the one that fooled me was 713. I thought Rosita was Susan
>> Sarandon's character since I had read that she would show up during
>> sweeps as an aging diva who got fired from Joey's show.
>
>Oh yes, I can see exactly how you thought that. I would too. :)
>
>It's a good job that scene was right at the start - when I first
>saw 716 I was similarly beginning to think I'd misunderstood that.
What do you mean? Did you have doubts about the connection between the
title and the story?
>>>> And I guess this excludes the possibility of Chandler being half
>>>> Swedish/half Norwegian...
>
>>> I'm afraid so, sweetie - have the writers got something against Norway?
>
>> Yes, I think so. *sniff*
>
>Awww... here, have a tissue, I'm all cried out today.
Lol! A little weird and sensitive, are we? j/k (205)
>>>> I had to laugh when they insisted that Ross should honour Chandler's
>>>> Swedish heritage by sitting down and being quiet. Are there any Swedes
>>>> around who can confirm that you guys enjoy this? ;)
>
>>> I'd have thought *you* would know! :)
>
>> Given that Sweden is just a four hour drive away from where I live,
>> I've been there dozens of times, but I've never seen a Swede act that
>> way to honour his roots. :)
>
>How about honouring his twigs?
Oh dear god.. :)
I didn't see that one coming.
However, if Ross wants to honour Chandler's Swedish roots, he could
play the national anthem "Du Gamla, Du Fria" and dress up in the
national costume. :)
>>>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>
>>> Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
>
>> What heat? :P
>
>In the sauna, of course.
I think the Swedes prefer their adorable red cottages. :)
>> But if it gets too hot, I guess they would sit down and be quiet until
>> the rain comes. :)
>
>Is that why Chandler's glasses steam up?
Lol. Probably.
>>> We all knew that Rachel would get the phone first because she is *very*
>>> fast with her hands - two examples of many are snatching the pros &
>>> cons printout in 208 "TOW the List", and grabbing Amanda's phone number
>>> to give to Phoebe in 405 TOW "Joey's New Girlfriend".
>
>> Yes, that's right! And we should not be surprised that Phoebe "Slim
>> Jim" Buffay had something up her sleeve either...
>
>Do you reckon she can clone phones?
I guess she'd be able to steal one or two of them, but I was talking
about the surprise Rachel got when she was "too cocky".
>>>> And Rachel obviously still remembers the fairy tales her father told
>>>> her when she was a little girl since she trailed off for a couple of
>>>> seconds. "A fairy tale for the digital age..."
>
>>> Hehe - it seems rare for Rachel to wax poetic like that!
>
>> And now we know that if she goes through with reading a poem at the
>> wedding, she'll end up in tears.
>
>Aw, she was so sweet.
She was, wasn't she? And I actually believed her tears this time
around, unlike her fake tears in 706.
>>>> What kind of cell-phone was it? It looked like a Motorola, and I don't
>>>> think it was a Nokia.
>
>>> I'm afraid I haven't the slightest idea, sorry. :(
>
>> Having just seen it again, I think I'm going to stick to Motorola. It
>> is round and rather big, and that usually means that it's a Motorola.
>
>American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
Yeah, and many of them are collapsible, like the ones Rachel and Ross
own.
>>> But I do know that the mobile phone which Nokorala or Motia advertise
>>> as being the one used in "The Matrix" is in fact no such thing.
>
>> I guess Nokia hasn't made a strong bid for Sion.
>
>Or even Psion? :)
Oh, is that the real name of the place?
>>>> I thought the attractive guy was going to show up, telling them that he
>>>> was in fact gay.
>
>>> Why? If he had been gay, why did he check out Knockers' knockers?
>
>> There are many gay men in the fashion industry who would do the same
>> thing as the guy in Central Perk.
>
>Yeah, that's why catwalk models look like dolled-up boys, not really
>what men like at all, and the sad thing is to see lovely actresses
>dieting themselves to look like skeletons in imitation.
Yeah, that's very true.
>>>> And what is up with Phoebe using her mother's suicide as some sort of
>>>> sick blackmail?!?
>
>>> Maybe it's Phoebe's way of coping with it?
>
>> It has to be, but still... Seems rather macabre, don't you think?
>
>Macabre to us - she has lived with the worse reality for many years.
I still think it was wrong of Phoebe to use her mother's suicide as a
way to make her friends feel bad for her. You'd think she was still in
shock after saving Earl's life in 713.
>> Yes, that story made me laugh, but perhaps it was because the
>> cheesecake story was so unexpected. I mean, who would think we'd get
>> to see Rachel eating cake off the floor? Girls fighting over a cute
>> guy has been done thousands of times before.
>
>Well, it was girls fighting over a phone - as soon as the guy appeared
>the story was over.
"I want him!" "No, he's mine!" (or something like that)
And the bloke hadn't even showed up on Phoebe's doorstep yet.
>> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>
>The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
The Friends writers. :)
>>>> Isn't it a bit odd, however, that Joey gets kudos for speaking with a
>>>> British accent while his Italian accent is supposed to be awful? Maybe
>>>> he's 1/16th English as well as Portuguese?
>
>>> I'm beginning to wonder how Italian he is - we're down to 7/8ths already.
>
>> New entry for the TWWWS list:
>> Joey's genealogical table
>
>To find out if it's Joseph or Gloria who has the non-Italian grandparent?
Yep, and if he's of British stock as well.
>>> But even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
>
>> A woman with brains and an Oscar usually does. :)
>
>Yeppity!
Which means that there will be a lot of intelligent women in the
Shrine Auditorium on Sunday. Hmmm... Perhaps I should take that back
and say "some intelligent women" instead.
>>>> My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
>>>> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>
>>> Oh, you poor baby! Tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll
>>> describe the rest in full detail, okay? :)
>
>> It stops right after "passionate".
<snip>
>FADEOUT
Thanks a lot! However, I got a complete copy of the episode a couple
of days after you posted this, so I've seen it now. :)
>>> It's time for a Nuff Said Moment!
>
>> Hehe, yes. We've had a few of those recently.
>
>Ah no, this is the other way round, where I'm allowed to reveal what
>hitherto I couldn't say.
Which is what I meant. :)
We could finally talk about a moment without stopping it with a "nuff
said".
>>> I wanted to know what happened to the horse...
>
>> It ran off to Mexico just like Cecilia? :)
>
>Cecilia's horse would be okay, but what about Jessica's horse?
It will get Clunker's or Marcel's brain in season 8.
>>>> "Don't you recognize your own mother?"
>
>>> I KNOWWW!!! This was a whole new thing! :)
>
>> These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
>
>Yah, that's why I wanna see Joanna return...
I bet there could be another chickfight a la 611 in the street if she
started hitting on Chandler.
>>>> I can't wait to see Joey getting in touch with his feminine side again
>>>> just like he did in 608 TOW Ross's Teeth.
>
>>> Me too. I think that MLB is having his best season, it's amazing.
>
>> Yeah, he has been great this season, hasn't he? If he keeps up this
>> standard we'll have lots to look forward to in addition to a certain
>> wedding. :)
>
>Oh, ja!
Or just say "å ja" like we do... ;)
>> Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
>> Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
>> fiery redhead and a lethal guitar case...
>
>Oh, I'm sure that would be something, but no Salma Hayek? :(
Well, we (i.e. girls) have Banderas, so we don't mind.
>>> You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't you,
>>> and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
>
>> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
>
>Well, that's what he tells pretty girls.
Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>> 505 TOW All The Kips. They're leaving the gang - being phased out, just
>> like Kip. Not that I think this is the case, though. It was just a joke.
>
>Ah - the only references I knew to phasing things out was Kip and Ross's
>accent in 604, and neither of them seemed to fit, so I had to ask you. :)
That's okay. It just hit me:
Rachel: He got phased out!
Monica: You're not gonna be phased out!
>> Not desperate, just a bit annoyed that when American TV-shows and
>> movies mention Scandinavians, you can be sure that they're talking
>> about Sweden. It's a lovely country, and Stockholm is the most
>> beautiful capital I've ever seen, but there are other Scandinavians
>> too.
>
>Absolutely. Think how we feel when Americans can't tell the difference
>between Great Britain & Ireland, the UK, and England/Scotland/Wales.
Annoying, isn't it?
>> And the Vikings who went to Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe
>> Islands *and* the USA were mostly Norwegians. The Swedes travelled
>> eastbound and to Russia. So there.. ;)
>
>Of course, but the game is to have your country mentioned on the
>show, and if it doesn't begin with "Norw" then it's no banana.
So I guess I should thank Monty Python and The X-Files who gave us a
"banana". ;)
>>>>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt,
>>>>> but was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>
>>>> I was under the impression that she was referring to an incident in
>>>> the past.. Another one of her fantasies perhaps? Maybe she fantasized
>>>> about William Wallace from Braveheart and wanted to see Ross in that
>>>> outfit after he showed up in the navy uniform.
>
>>> At first it sounds like she's referring to an incident in the
>>> past, but when you hear it again you're not so sure...
>
>> I don't know, it sounded like an episode from their past to me. And
>> I'm sure Rachel melted when Ross showed up on her doorstep in a kilt
>> and blue makeup.
>
>What?? Oh, you're still going on about Mel Gibson, aren't you? :)
Yep. It sounds like a possible explanation, especially since we know
how fond Ross is of make-up.
>>>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>
>>>> That was a threat.
>
>>> I know, so why did he?
>
>> Because he didn't want anyone else to know about it, and he could
>> start telling about various fudge-incidents?
>
>He still seemed pretty cold to me.
Given that he had three of his friends sitting in front of him, I can
understand that he was afraid that some unfortunate truths could be
revealed.
>>> Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
>
>> Hmm.. I don't know really. I'm very pessimistic about it since I've
>> seen what has happened to long episodes in the past (i.e. the
>> double-episodes).
>
>That's because they have to cut out enough for a second title sequence
>when made into separate programmes. Here we are hoping that they'll be
>stretched out instead into one long one.
I'll get to see this in ten weeks, and you can check it even sooner.
However, as I said, I won't believe it until I see it for myself. It's
better to get a pleasant surprise anyway.
>>> Can just imagine the argument as Phoebe, Rachel & Chandler tried to
>>> divide the cheesecake into three?
>
>> World War III. :)
>
>Lol! There is a way to divide a cake into three, but it's a bit more
>elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same principles
>of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are you interested?
What do you mean?
>> Joey didn't have any relatives there, and even though Joey told her he
>> was, Chandler convinced her he was not of Chinese descent. Ergo: She
>> had to call someone in China.
>
>Lol, that was because of N'Dolor Bong...
So what we should learn from this story is never to trust the names on
the address labels on the TV-Guide.
>>>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>
>>>> He's still Drake, right?
>
>>> No, he isn't, he's Jessica now.
>
>> Er.. Okay. (My head hurts.)
>
>So does hers!
I hope mine doesn't hurt for the same reason. :)
>>>> And I wouldn't be surprised if he had to kiss a man, in. I don't know..
>>>> Let's say.. May? ;)
>
>>> Warren Beatty is coming in?
>
>> No, let's hope not. I had enough of him at last year's Oscar ceremony
>> when his speech went on and on and on... I was dying to see who'd get
>> the big awards, but Beatty kept talking. It was 5 a.m. here, and in
>> the end I hoped they would throw him off the stage.
>> I'd rather see him kiss Tag.
>
>Actually, I'm starting to miss Tag. I wanna see him finished off properly.
"Finish off" sounds good, but since I'm watching Scream 2 as I'm
writing this, it has a certain ring to it that I bet Tag won't like.
>>> According to the IMDb she was arrested on 30th March 1999 for
>>> disorderly conduct during a protest in New York over the unarmed
>>> shooting of African immigrant Amadou Diallo by four policeman.
>
>> She's also far too "radical" (mind you, not IMO) when it comes to
>> capital punishment, which should make her Dubya's new best friend.
>
>How do you mean? I'd have thought they were political opposites?
Oh, they are, I was just being *very* sarcastic. :)
>Exactly. Once again Chandler (and Ross) should have listened to Joey,
>although in the long run that was good for Chandler, and who knows yet
>about Ross's fate?
I have a theory that Joey is probably *the* Friend of the gang. He's
been there for Monica (e.g. 303), Chandler (more times than I can
mention), Phoebe (e.g. 711), Rachel (ever since she moved in) and Ross
(e.g. 706 and 506/507)
As for Ross, he's now lost three wives and a Porsche, so I'd say that
things can only get better from here.
>>>>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
>
>> Maybe Joey's wish from 323 will come true after all. :)
>
>But will they call the result Chuck, or... Dick?
Or perhaps they'll be nostalgic and name it Chanoey after their
"parents"?
>> There are a few others as well. There is the one where JA cracks
>> up together with DS and MLB at the reception, and then there is a clip
>> where DS starts laughing at CCA and MP who have "to catch a very large
>> plane to New York".
>
>Why do they say that?
I have no idea. Someone here on the ng said that Chandler was using it
as a metaphor for having sex, but I dunno.
>>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB
>>>> with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her
>>>> brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>
>>> Thanks - I'll check those out.
>
>> VSG
>
>Eek, not done it yet, leave this bit in as a reminder...
Sure, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. :)
>>>>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>>>>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
>
>>>> Lol! That was one of the highlights of the show for me.
>
>>> Is there a full scene on the Director's Cut side of the DVD?
>
>> I have no idea. Could you tell me if you find out, please? :)
>
>I'm told that the times on the two DVDs are...
>
> Aired Uncut Extra
>
> 701 21:00 22:25 1:25
> 702 21:09 23:57 2:48
> 703 20:24 20:25 0:01 yes, just 1 second
> 704 21:00 21:51 0:51
>
> 705 21:02 22:08 1:06
> 706 21:02 23:18 2:16
> 707 21:02 23:03 2:01
> 708 21:02 23:07 2:05
>
>..so that could be an extra 2:16 of the contest.
Yay!
~Marita
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mari...@online.no
Tennant Stuart
<laura...@telus.net> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.9587cb4a5f...@argonet.co.uk...
>>>>> At the risk of facing the wrath of Ross fans, I would say a
>>>>> combination of the above. In the past, he has seemed derisive
>>>>> of soaps, science fiction and fantasy shows are not set in
>>>>> today's reality and he can be pretty condescending to his friends
>>>>> Do you have a choice, Tennant?
>>>> I agree with you except for the science fiction & the fantasy shows...
>>> How so? Good Science Fiction should be based on what is feasible, but
>>> there is no reason that in a more scientifically knowledgeable
>>> future/past that brain transplants would not be possible. The
>>> Incredible Hulk could just be a childhood fascination before he knew
>>> better.
>> That's why I said it, an SF/comic fan would accept a brain transplant
>> in a story, so deleting those two from your reply leaves us with Ross
>> is derisive of soaps and can be pretty condescending to his friends.
> But! SF is not necessarily set on present day Earth involving only
> humans. Our current technology does not support brain transplants.
> So for a show set in reality, casually doing a brain transplant is
> not a realistic plot scenario. One could still enjoy SF and think
> that the soap opera plot was daft.
Okay, you argue that most convincingly, so I'll hop on board.
>> I know you're teasing me, but I said swedes not Swedes.
> Okay, I looked it up in the dictionary. Oxford defines a swede to
> be a yellow-fleshed turnip originating in Sweden. Merriam-
> Webster (considered by many to be the dictionary of standard
> American word usage) the word swede means rutabaga but notes
> that the usage is "chiefly British". So, based on that, I would
> suggest that the eating of "swedes" does not explain why Americans
> seem to think of Sweden before Norway (besides, I will continue
> to use the word rutabaga because it is so much more fun to say).
> I think that the Swedish Chef has had more influence than turnips.
Lol, so most Americans have never heard of a swede?
>> Or do Americans eat Hamburgers?
> Yes they do! But they would never eat a fine burgher from
> Hamburg. Tourists to America are quite safe from being
> turned into part of a tradtional Birtish trifle ....
Tee-hee, sorry to pick up on a typo, but John Birt is (was?) the head
of the BBC, and his political enemies would love a Birtish trifle...
>>> Angela Landsbury once played the
>>> mother of a man older than herself.
>> Indeed? I know she played Laurence Harvey's mother in "The Manchurian
>> Candidate", even though she was only 3 years older than he was (he died
>> in 1973 while she is going strong nearly 30 years later).
> Ah...my mistake. I was thinking of the Manchurian Candiate and I thought
> she was younger. Still, a 3 year old mom must be some kind of record.
A quick trawl through IMDb trivia for "older than" reveals...
Dances with Wolves: Mary McDonnell is 2 months older than Graham Greene,
but plays his adopted daughter.
Family Business: Sean Connery is seven years older than Dustin Hoffman,
but plays his father.
The Graduate: Although Mrs.Robinson is supposed to be much older than
Benjamin, Anne Bancroft & Dustin Hoffman are only 6 years apart in age.
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Although Sean Connery is only 12
years older than Harrison Ford, he plays his father.
North by Northwest: Jessie Royce Landis played Cary Grant's mother, yet
he was 10 months older than her.
Mouse
> In article <HELu6.46096$Lm2.5...@news0.telusplanet.net>, "Mouse"
> <laura...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.9587cb4a5f...@argonet.co.uk...
<spoiler free>
>
>
> >> I know you're teasing me, but I said swedes not Swedes.
>
> > Okay, I looked it up in the dictionary. Oxford defines a swede to
> > be a yellow-fleshed turnip originating in Sweden. Merriam-
> > Webster (considered by many to be the dictionary of standard
> > American word usage) the word swede means rutabaga but notes
> > that the usage is "chiefly British". So, based on that, I would
> > suggest that the eating of "swedes" does not explain why Americans
> > seem to think of Sweden before Norway (besides, I will continue
> > to use the word rutabaga because it is so much more fun to say).
> > I think that the Swedish Chef has had more influence than turnips.
>
> Lol, so most Americans have never heard of a swede?
Well, I would not attempt to speak for all Americans, but I have never
heard of a swede (meaning turnip). The fact that Merriam-Webster
seems to think that it is chiefly a British usage of the word, probably
does indicate that the word in that context is not very common in
North America.
> >>> Angela Landsbury once played the
> >>> mother of a man older than herself.
>
> >> Indeed? I know she played Laurence Harvey's mother in "The Manchurian
> >> Candidate", even though she was only 3 years older than he was (he died
> >> in 1973 while she is going strong nearly 30 years later).
>
> > Ah...my mistake. I was thinking of the Manchurian Candiate and I thought
> > she was younger. Still, a 3 year old mom must be some kind of record.
>
> A quick trawl through IMDb trivia for "older than" reveals...
They have sections where they mention when one actor is older than?
<snip examples of odd age discrepancies>.
>
> North by Northwest: Jessie Royce Landis played Cary Grant's mother, yet
> he was 10 months older than her.
I just watched that one again a few weeks ago and I must say that I was
struck by the fact that she did NOT look old enough to be his mother.
laura
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
Yes of course, but I can't say why here.
Ask me again in the S7-16 thread.
>>> Yes, I think so. *sniff*
>> Awww... here, have a tissue, I'm all cried out today.
> Lol! A little weird and sensitive, are we? j/k (205)
That's right, I also listen in my sleep...
>>> Given that Sweden is just a four hour drive away from where I live,
>>> I've been there dozens of times, but I've never seen a Swede act that
>>> way to honour his roots. :)
>> How about honouring his twigs?
> Oh dear god.. :)
> I didn't see that one coming.
Smil.
> However, if Ross wants to honour Chandler's Swedish roots, he could
> play the national anthem "Du Gamla, Du Fria" and dress up in the
> national costume. :)
Would that sound good on bagpipes, then?
>>>>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>>>> Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
>>> What heat? :P
>> In the sauna, of course.
> I think the Swedes prefer their adorable red cottages. :)
Omforladelss?
>>>> We all knew that Rachel would get the phone first because she is
>>>> *very* fast with her hands - two examples of many are snatching the
>>>> pros & cons printout in 208 "TOW the List", and grabbing Amanda's
>>>> phone number to give to Phoebe in 405 TOW "Joey's New Girlfriend".
>>> Yes, that's right! And we should not be surprised that Phoebe "Slim
>>> Jim" Buffay had something up her sleeve either...
>> Do you reckon she can clone phones?
> I guess she'd be able to steal one or two of them, but I was talking
> about the surprise Rachel got when she was "too cocky".
Phoebe's lucky she didn't knock it out of her hand to smash on the floor.
>>>>> And Rachel obviously still remembers the fairy tales her father told
>>>>> her when she was a little girl since she trailed off for a couple of
>>>>> seconds. "A fairy tale for the digital age..."
>>>> Hehe - it seems rare for Rachel to wax poetic like that!
>>> And now we know that if she goes through with reading a poem at the
>>> wedding, she'll end up in tears.
>> Aw, she was so sweet.
> She was, wasn't she? And I actually believed her tears this time
> around, unlike her fake tears in 706.
Exactly.
Aniston is such a fine actress that we can trust her expressions.
>> American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
> Yeah, and many of them are collapsible, like the ones Rachel and Ross own.
I know! Haven't they heard of sensitive micrphones?
>>>> But I do know that the mobile phone which Nokorala or Motia advertise
>>>> as being the one used in "The Matrix" is in fact no such thing.
>>> I guess Nokia hasn't made a strong bid for Sion.
>> Or even Psion? :)
> Oh, is that the real name of the place?
LOl, I thought you were talking about the palmtop computer company,
but instead you meant the movie's last human city - Zion.
> I still think it was wrong of Phoebe to use her mother's suicide as a
> way to make her friends feel bad for her. You'd think she was still in
> shock after saving Earl's life in 713.
Could a continuing contact with Earl be the reason why?
>>> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>> The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
> The Friends writers. :)
Well I suppose - but wasn't it slightly anti-writer?
>>> New entry for the TWWWS list:
>>> Joey's genealogical table
>> To find out if it's Joseph or Gloria who has the non-Italian grandparent?
> Yep, and if he's of British stock as well.
Or even Norwegian?
>>>> But even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
>>> A woman with brains and an Oscar usually does. :)
>> Yeppity!
> Which means that there will be a lot of intelligent women in the
> Shrine Auditorium on Sunday. Hmmm... Perhaps I should take that back
> and say "some intelligent women" instead.
Well, there will be women with brains & an Oscar, women with brains but
no Oscar, women with no brains but an Oscar, and <insert name here>.
>>>>> My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
>>>>> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>>>> Oh, you poor baby! Tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll
>>>> describe the rest in full detail, okay? :)
>>> It stops right after "passionate".
> <snip>
>> FADEOUT
> Thanks a lot! However, I got a complete copy of the episode a couple
> of days after you posted this, so I've seen it now. :)
Hmmmphh, after I spent all that while describing every detail...
>>>> It's time for a Nuff Said Moment!
>>> Hehe, yes. We've had a few of those recently.
>> Ah no, this is the other way round, where I'm allowed to reveal what
>> hitherto I couldn't say.
> Which is what I meant. :)
> We could finally talk about a moment without stopping it with a "nuff
> said".
Ah, gotcha now, sweetie. :)
>>>> I wanted to know what happened to the horse...
>>> It ran off to Mexico just like Cecilia? :)
>> Cecilia's horse would be okay, but what about Jessica's horse?
> It will get Clunker's or Marcel's brain in season 8.
RPGOL!!
>>>>> "Don't you recognize your own mother?"
>>>> I KNOWWW!!! This was a whole new thing! :)
>>> These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
>> Yah, that's why I wanna see Joanna return...
> I bet there could be another chickfight a la 611 in the street if she
> started hitting on Chandler.
Not if she's pretty snappy with those cuffs.
>>>> I think that MLB is having his best season, it's amazing.
>>> Yeah, he has been great this season, hasn't he? If he keeps up this
>>> standard we'll have lots to look forward to in addition to a certain
>>> wedding. :)
>> Oh, ja!
> Or just say "å ja" like we do... ;)
Tusen takk...
>>> Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
>>> Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
>>> fiery redhead and a lethal guitar case...
>> Oh, I'm sure that would be something, but no Salma Hayek? :(
> Well, we (i.e. girls) have Banderas, so we don't mind.
Hah, that's alright for you (i.e. girls) then. :(
>>>> You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't
>>>> you, and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
>>> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
>> Well, that's what he tells pretty girls.
> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
What's the Phoebe connection?
>>> 505 TOW All The Kips. They're leaving the gang - being phased out,
>>> just like Kip. Not that I think this is the case, though. It was just
>>> a joke.
>> The only references I knew to phasing things out was Kip, and Ross's
>> accent in 604, and neither of them seemed to fit, so I had to ask you.
> That's okay. It just hit me:
> Rachel: He got phased out!
> Monica: You're not gonna be phased out!
ÅJ
>> Think how we feel when Americans can't tell the difference between
>> Great Britain & Ireland, the UK, and England/Scotland/Wales.
> Annoying, isn't it?
Yep.
>> Of course, but the game is to have your country mentioned on the
>> show, and if it doesn't begin with "Norw" then it's no banana.
> So I guess I should thank Monty Python and The X-Files who gave us a
> "banana". ;)
Why the X-Files?
>>> I don't know, it sounded like an episode from their past to me. And
>>> I'm sure Rachel melted when Ross showed up on her doorstep in a kilt
>>> and blue makeup.
>> What?? Oh, you're still going on about Mel Gibson, aren't you? :)
> Yep. It sounds like a possible explanation, especially since we know
> how fond Ross is of make-up.
It seemed to me there was nothing manly about Ross's get-up.
>>>>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>>>>> That was a threat.
>>>> I know, so why did he?
>>> Because he didn't want anyone else to know about it, and he could
>>> start telling about various fudge-incidents?
>> He still seemed pretty cold to me.
> Given that he had three of his friends sitting in front of him, I can
> understand that he was afraid that some unfortunate truths could be
> revealed.
Yeah, okay then. :)
>>>> Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
>>> Hmm.. I don't know really. I'm very pessimistic about it since I've
>>> seen what has happened to long episodes in the past (i.e. the
>>> double-episodes).
>> That's because they have to cut out enough for a second title sequence
>> when made into separate programmes. Here we are hoping that they'll be
>> stretched out instead into one long one.
> I'll get to see this in ten weeks, and you can check it even sooner.
> However, as I said, I won't believe it until I see it for myself. It's
> better to get a pleasant surprise anyway.
We find out on Tuesday...
>> There is a way to divide a cake into three, but it's a bit more
>> elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same principles
>> of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are you interested?
> What do you mean?
To fairly divide a cake in two, one person cuts & the other chooses.
I know how to do this for three.
>>> Joey didn't have any relatives there, and even though Joey told her he
>>> was, Chandler convinced her he was not of Chinese descent. Ergo: She
>>> had to call someone in China.
>> Lol, that was because of N'Dolor Bong...
> So what we should learn from this story is never to trust the names on
> the address labels on the TV-Guide.
That's right.
>> I'm starting to miss Tag. I wanna see him finished off properly.
> "Finish off" sounds good, but since I'm watching Scream 2 as I'm
> writing this, it has a certain ring to it that I bet Tag won't like.
That's okay. :)
>>>> According to the IMDb she was arrested on 30th March 1999 for
>>>> disorderly conduct during a protest in New York over the unarmed
>>>> shooting of African immigrant Amadou Diallo by four policeman.
>>> She's also far too "radical" (mind you, not IMO) when it comes to
>>> capital punishment, which should make her Dubya's new best friend.
>> How do you mean? I'd have thought they were political opposites?
> Oh, they are, I was just being *very* sarcastic. :)
Ah - be careful with that in pure text...
>> Exactly. Once again Chandler (and Ross) should have listened to Joey,
>> although in the long run that was good for Chandler, and who knows yet
>> about Ross's fate?
> I have a theory that Joey is probably *the* Friend of the gang. He's
> been there for Monica (e.g. 303), Chandler (more times than I can
> mention), Phoebe (e.g. 711), Rachel (ever since she moved in) and Ross
> (e.g. 706 and 506/507)
That's very clever, I like that.
But what about Monica, mother hen to the gang?
> As for Ross, he's now lost three wives and a Porsche, so I'd say that
> things can only get better from here.
Lol, if Joey borrowed his car in 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the Line",
then Ross has now lost three wives, a Porsche, and an MGB.
>>>>>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
>>> Maybe Joey's wish from 323 will come true after all. :)
>> But will they call the result Chuck, or... Dick?
> Or perhaps they'll be nostalgic and name it Chanoey after their "parents"?
Sounds too much like Chernobyl...
>>> There are a few others as well. There is the one where JA cracks
>>> up together with DS and MLB at the reception, and then there is a clip
>>> where DS starts laughing at CCA and MP who have "to catch a very large
>>> plane to New York".
>> Why do they say that?
> I have no idea. Someone here on the ng said that Chandler was using it
> as a metaphor for having sex, but I dunno.
I think it comes from 501 "TOA Ross Says Rachel"...
MONICA: We gotta get up early and catch that plane for New York.
CHANDLER: Yeah, it's a very large plane.
..but the joke is catching a plane like catching a ball.
>>>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB
>>>>> with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her
>>>>> brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>>>> Thanks - I'll check those out.
>>> VSG
>> Eek, not done it yet, leave this bit in as a reminder...
> Sure, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. :)
Okay, but keep the reminder going.
Tennant Stuart
<laura...@telus.net> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.5507c14a60...@argonet.co.uk...
>> So most Americans have never heard of a swede?
> Well, I would not attempt to speak for all Americans, but I have never
> heard of a swede (meaning turnip). The fact that Merriam-Webster seems
> to think that it is chiefly a British usage of the word, probably does
> indicate that the word in that context is not very common in North
> America.
Oh well, live & learn. :)
>> A quick trawl through IMDb trivia for "older than" reveals...
> They have sections where they mention when one actor is older than?
No, they just have trivia in general. I ran a search through thousands
of movies for the phrase "older than", and those examples popped up.
>> North by Northwest: Jessie Royce Landis played Cary Grant's mother, yet
>> he was 10 months older than her.
> I just watched that one again a few weeks ago and I must say that I was
> struck by the fact that she did NOT look old enough to be his mother.
Yeah - I guess all those discrepancies are because of the Hollywood
leading men who're supposed to be far younger than they really were.
Mouse
Yep....she did a good job of impersonating a badly played set of bagpipes.
>
> > I guess Chandler and Monica are willing to only let one of their
> > friends/relatives make musical gaffes at their wedding (Phoebe's songs
> > are probably be a bit of an acquired taste)
>
> Actually the wedding music that she played for Joey, (just after Monica
> said that she didn't feel like going to The Plaza), was quite nice.
Yes, but one is never quite sure what Phoebe will play...
> >> ---o0o---
>
> > <summary of Joey getting a new brain>
>
> > I loved this plot. MLB and Susan Sarandon did a terrific job and the
> > writing was fantastic. IMO, this plot made the episode. Susan clearly
> > came to act and this is probably the best job of stunt casting the show
> > has ever done. The parody of soap opera divas was great.
>
> We are of one mind, Laura! SS now tops my list of best guests.
Yes, I would agree with that. She did a marvellous job!
>
> And when Monica & Rachel guested in this story it was their best bit in
> the episode, just as Phoebe's came when she guested in the bagpipe story.
You know, I actually wasn't fond of the Monica&Rachel bit (it seemed to
me that they were out of character, like the actresses were acting), but I
seem to be pretty much alone on that. For me, it was the only sour note
in the Joey gets a new brain story.
>
> >> ---o0o--->
> > Yep. They weren't as stellar as the Joey/Cecilia story, but they did
> > amuse.
> Yep.
> > Yep.
> Yep.
> > Yep.
> Yep.
> > Yep......I better find something else to say or I'm going to get flamed
> > for wasting bandwidth.
> Yep.
>
> I think it's nice to agree, even if it leaves us short of conversation.
Yep
Hmm......we are beginning to sound like the alien muppets on sesame
street. ;-)
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
> >> didn't screech.
>
> > Yes....although I think she should have let Ross play the bagpipes at
> > her wedding provided he limited himself to one song. He did go to a lot
> > of effort to try to do something for them and I imagine that bagpipes
> > aren't cheap. It would make him happy, it would cost her nothing and a
> > five minute interlude of lousy music will give the guests a chance to
> > hit the loo.
>
> All she has to do is let Phoebe sing along, and the guests will lap it up.
They will certainly be amused (and after a few drinks, some of them
would probably join in).
> >> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
> >> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
>
> > That exchange was pretty funny.
>
> Ah! A bit you enjoyed slightly more than I did!
There you go...different strokes for different folks...the show has
something
for us all
>
> >> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
> >> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
>
> > Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life? On
the
> > show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May birthday
> > since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had other trysts
> > since then which haven't been shown on the shows.
>
> That could well be so, but she was the last we'd heard of.
But Joey is keeping tabs for us. ;-)
>
> >> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
> >> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
>
> > Well, there were the times that Monica made dinner for Chandler to make
> > up for pretending that she made the sock puppet she gave to him in TOW
> > The Unagi. We also saw them eat a meal together in TOW That Could
> > Have Been when Dr. Roger gets called away for an emergency.
>
> We didn't see the meal in Unagi, but TOT Could Have Been does count.
We did see the meal in Unagi (macaroni and cheese with cut up hot dog),
we just didn't get to see them eat it because Janice interrupted the
festivities.
I think that the TOT Could Have Been is the only previous time we see them
actually eating a meal at home alone that one of them cooked.
> >> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (so the score
> >> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 4 Norway 0) but which
> >> half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
> >> about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
>
> > I'm guessing that the "Bing" is Scottish and Nora is of Swedish
> > ancestry. Do we know where the Tyler comes from? It doesn't sound
> > Swedish, but it may have come from one of her other husbands or just be
> > a name she took because she felt it made her sound more like a writer.
>
> Could Tyler be her maiden name?
Could be, but it doesn't sound very Swedish to me. I don't think Bing is
Swedish either, but it is more likely that his Mom would change her
name (either when she got married or for a pen name). Another
alternative could have been that both the Tyler and Bing were Scottish
(married to Swedish women), but Chandler said that one of his Grandfathers
was Swedish (and married to a tiny little bunny). If he hadn't said that he
was half Scottish and half Swedish we would probably have more options.
Maybe he is mostly half-and-half and is 1/16 something or other (and
another 1/16th Norwegian ;-).
>
> >> Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
> >> really was David Schwimmer playing them.
>
> > Well, if he just started to play them, he did a pretty good job
> > (especially since he was trying to be bad).
>
> Yes, that shows his dedication. I was impressed. :)
Yep....I wonder if he will keep it up (and will David?).
>
> >> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
> >> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>
> > I think that she was referencing a past incident.
>
> Hmmm - I find it curiously in between...
>
> ROSS: Now, remember, you have to imagine me in a kilt.
> RACHEL: I can imagine you in a short plaid skirt, and knee-socks!
> ROSS: You wanna start telling secrets?
>
> ..since Rachel said "imagine", not "remember", but then there was...
But she could just be parroting the word that he said....or maybe it
is just something that they joked about in the past (ie talked about
him dressing up like that when they were dating and discussing
fantasies or something like that)
> >> According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
> >> message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
> >> together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
> >> of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
>
> > That is a little out of character, isn't it? No matter how bad there
> > performances have been in the past, haven't the friends always shown up?
> > How many bad plays have Phoebe and Ross had to sit through just because
> > Joey was in them?
>
> I dunno, isn't just Joey that gets this support?
Well, they have certainly attended a lot of things which Phoebe has done.
They are very attentive when she plays at Central Perk. Didn't they go to
a concert she gave for the kids at the local library? They supported her
when she did the Smelly Cat video. And so on (they also rented one of
"her" videos)
>
> Remember how Ross through a flat-warming party and only Phoebe turned up,
> and even she went to the wrong party next door?
That's true. He was throwing the party for his neighbours so maybe he didn't
invite the others? Phoebe came because she was crashing the party?
"I'm gonna throw a party. That's right. For everyone in the building, and
I'm gonna sit them down and explain to them, I am not a bad guy" If he
invited his friends they might have interferred with his lectures (and Joey
would be flirting with the hot girls while all the male neighbours would be
drooling all over the three girls and Chandler would be drinking the
apartment
dry because he was depressed about his latest break up)
> Joey was trying to get away from his girlfriend,
So he needed to get her alone. Can you imagine her at a party? She didn't
seem to be able to do small talk without having to hit Joey.
>Chandler was a bit in the dog-house,
A depressed Chandler would bring the entire party down...you probably
couldn't have gotten him out of his sweats or the apartment (either that
he was out shopping for a ring)
>while Rachel& Monica had nothing better to do,
Monica just had a huge fight with her latest boyfriend (remember how she was
after Richard) and Rachel probably had to comfort her (or help her have a
boyfriend bonfire ;-)
>so why didn't they show up at Ross's?
You buying any of this?
>
> >> Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
> >> have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
> >> of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
>
> > But would she have had to catch the cheesecake in her hand? Phones tend
> > to hold together better than cakes. The cake might have ended up all
over
> > the floor, regardless (and if it didn't, we would have missed the great
> > scene with Joey pulling the fork out of his jacket)
>
> Maybe the story would end with Joey eating the cake off Phoebe...
Okay...a) they probably wouldn't have shown that and b) it was much
funnier seeing them all eat off of the floor (IMHO).
> >> Or is Barney's equally famous in New York City?
>
> > It is famous, but probably not as famous as Macy's or Saks.
>
> And it's upscale, whatever that means... :)
Are you asking? It means that its expensive and exclusive.
>
> >> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
> >> Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
>
> > Why did Rachel not take her table with her? Has she grown tired of it
> > or did Phoebe buy it from her? Or does she just not want Joey to eat
> > of it? They could probably find a spot for it if she wanted in her new
> > apartment.
>
> I know, it's very puzzling. What I most want Rachel to do with it is
> give it to Ross, not just because there's a story there, but to see
> if there really are two ATs or just one they move around a lot.
Well, there probably is just one, but I'm sure that the show could
afford to buy another one if necessary.
> >> Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
> >> granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
>
> > I'm sure that she has been abusive to the writers for years. They
probably
> > wanted to write her out for a long time but couldn't because she was too
> > popular. Perhaps her popularity declined just enough that the writers
were
> > finally able to come up with a plot twist sensational enough to convince
> > the producers to let them writer her out.
>
> Aww, that sounds right, but it's still a shame, even if I am worrying
> over a doubly-fictional character. It also occurs to me that if Miss
> Sarandon had not been a star, she could have joined the cast as Joey's
> new roomie in Season 6 - she would have been sensational.
Yes, Susan fit right in and did a terrific acting job. But, would the
producers have cast her at her age if she wasn't a big star? Hollywood
does seem to relish youth unless you are a proven commodity.
> >> When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
> >> it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
> >> than Rachel, but we could not be sure.
>
> > And happily, Rachel cracking up would fit into the scene so if it was
> > the actress, she needn't really hide it.
>
> Jennifer did try to hide it a bit though, or was that Rachel's shyness?
Or Rachel just trying to be nice (she didn't want the Ross and Phoebe
to know she was laughing at them)?
laura
Marita Bakken
>> What do you mean? Did you have doubts about the connection between the
>> title and the story?
>
>Yes of course, but I can't say why here.
>
>Ask me again in the S7-16 thread.
I forgot it...
>>>> Yes, I think so. *sniff*
>
>>> Awww... here, have a tissue, I'm all cried out today.
>
>> Lol! A little weird and sensitive, are we? j/k (205)
>
>That's right, I also listen in my sleep...
"Dwuude! I am tryingh to schleep!" ;)
>> However, if Ross wants to honour Chandler's Swedish roots, he could
>> play the national anthem "Du Gamla, Du Fria" and dress up in the
>> national costume. :)
>
>Would that sound good on bagpipes, then?
I'm afraid not. :)
>>>>>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>
>>>>> Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
>
>>>> What heat? :P
>
>>> In the sauna, of course.
>
>> I think the Swedes prefer their adorable red cottages. :)
>
>Omforladelss?
RPGOL! The Turkish dictionary again? ;)
Anyway, Sweden is widely known for their red houses. You can see
thousands of them in rural Sweden.
>>> American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
>
>> Yeah, and many of them are collapsible, like the ones Rachel and Ross own.
>
>I know! Haven't they heard of sensitive micrphones?
It doesn't seem that way. I went to a cell-phone store in the States,
and I was quite surprised to see the size of the phones.
>>>>> But I do know that the mobile phone which Nokorala or Motia advertise
>>>>> as being the one used in "The Matrix" is in fact no such thing.
>
>>>> I guess Nokia hasn't made a strong bid for Sion.
>
>>> Or even Psion? :)
>
>> Oh, is that the real name of the place?
>
>LOl, I thought you were talking about the palmtop computer company,
>but instead you meant the movie's last human city - Zion.
Hehe. Finally we understand each other. :)
>> I still think it was wrong of Phoebe to use her mother's suicide as a
>> way to make her friends feel bad for her. You'd think she was still in
>> shock after saving Earl's life in 713.
>
>Could a continuing contact with Earl be the reason why?
But why would she trivialise it if she's still in touch with Earl?
>>>> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>
>>> The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
>
>> The Friends writers. :)
>
>Well I suppose - but wasn't it slightly anti-writer?
Probably.
>>>> New entry for the TWWWS list:
>>>> Joey's genealogical table
>
>>> To find out if it's Joseph or Gloria who has the non-Italian grandparent?
>
>> Yep, and if he's of British stock as well.
>
>Or even Norwegian?
Grin. I doubt it.
>>>>> But even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
>
>>>> A woman with brains and an Oscar usually does. :)
>
>>> Yeppity!
>
>> Which means that there will be a lot of intelligent women in the
>> Shrine Auditorium on Sunday. Hmmm... Perhaps I should take that back
>> and say "some intelligent women" instead.
>
>Well, there will be women with brains & an Oscar, women with brains but
>no Oscar, women with no brains but an Oscar, and <insert name here>.
And women with no brains and no Oscars, but the dresses showed enough
skin that people didn't seem to care about their lack of braincells.
>>>>>> My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
>>>>>> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>
>>>>> Oh, you poor baby! Tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll
>>>>> describe the rest in full detail, okay? :)
>
>>>> It stops right after "passionate".
>
>> <snip>
>>> FADEOUT
>
>> Thanks a lot! However, I got a complete copy of the episode a couple
>> of days after you posted this, so I've seen it now. :)
>
>Hmmmphh, after I spent all that while describing every detail...
Still, I'm very grateful, Tennant. :)
>>>>> I wanted to know what happened to the horse...
>
>>>> It ran off to Mexico just like Cecilia? :)
>
>>> Cecilia's horse would be okay, but what about Jessica's horse?
>
>> It will get Clunker's or Marcel's brain in season 8.
>
>RPGOL!!
;)
>>>>>> "Don't you recognize your own mother?"
>
>>>>> I KNOWWW!!! This was a whole new thing! :)
>
>>>> These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
>
>>> Yah, that's why I wanna see Joanna return...
>
>> I bet there could be another chickfight a la 611 in the street if she
>> started hitting on Chandler.
>
>Not if she's pretty snappy with those cuffs.
Considering that she couldn't put on her mascara properly, I don't
think she was that good with the cuffs.
>>>> Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
>>>> Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
>>>> fiery redhead and a lethal guitar case...
>
>>> Oh, I'm sure that would be something, but no Salma Hayek? :(
>
>> Well, we (i.e. girls) have Banderas, so we don't mind.
>
>Hah, that's alright for you (i.e. girls) then. :(
Aww... Pheebs...
Didn't you get enough of scantily clad girls at the Oscars? ;)
j/k
>>>>> You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction, wouldn't
>>>>> you, and then he would have been able to just laugh off the soap plot?
>
>>>> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
>
>>> Well, that's what he tells pretty girls.
>
>> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
>> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>
>What's the Phoebe connection?
She had a thing for James Bond in 215. :)
>>> Of course, but the game is to have your country mentioned on the
>>> show, and if it doesn't begin with "Norw" then it's no banana.
>
>> So I guess I should thank Monty Python and The X-Files who gave us a
>> "banana". ;)
>
>Why the X-Files?
Scully and Mulder went to Northern Norway in episode 2.19 "Dod Kalm".
I remember my friends and I laughing our asses off when the actors
started swearing... in Norwegian.
There was also a guy called Henry Trondheim(!), who we thought was
hilarious.
>>>> I don't know, it sounded like an episode from their past to me. And
>>>> I'm sure Rachel melted when Ross showed up on her doorstep in a kilt
>>>> and blue makeup.
>
>>> What?? Oh, you're still going on about Mel Gibson, aren't you? :)
>
>> Yep. It sounds like a possible explanation, especially since we know
>> how fond Ross is of make-up.
>
>It seemed to me there was nothing manly about Ross's get-up.
Yeah, but I want to make Ross look good. :)
>>>>> Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
>
>>>> Hmm.. I don't know really. I'm very pessimistic about it since I've
>>>> seen what has happened to long episodes in the past (i.e. the
>>>> double-episodes).
>
>>> That's because they have to cut out enough for a second title sequence
>>> when made into separate programmes. Here we are hoping that they'll be
>>> stretched out instead into one long one.
>
>> I'll get to see this in ten weeks, and you can check it even sooner.
>> However, as I said, I won't believe it until I see it for myself. It's
>> better to get a pleasant surprise anyway.
>
>We find out on Tuesday...
Rumours say that they're indeed cut, but I hope not!!
>>> There is a way to divide a cake into three, but it's a bit more
>>> elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same principles
>>> of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are you interested?
>
>> What do you mean?
>
>To fairly divide a cake in two, one person cuts & the other chooses.
>
>I know how to do this for three.
How?
>>> I'm starting to miss Tag. I wanna see him finished off properly.
>
>> "Finish off" sounds good, but since I'm watching Scream 2 as I'm
>> writing this, it has a certain ring to it that I bet Tag won't like.
>
>That's okay. :)
We'll put him in Scream 4 and make Gale Weathers the murderer. :)
>>> Exactly. Once again Chandler (and Ross) should have listened to Joey,
>>> although in the long run that was good for Chandler, and who knows yet
>>> about Ross's fate?
>
>> I have a theory that Joey is probably *the* Friend of the gang. He's
>> been there for Monica (e.g. 303), Chandler (more times than I can
>> mention), Phoebe (e.g. 711), Rachel (ever since she moved in) and Ross
>> (e.g. 706 and 506/507)
>
>That's very clever, I like that.
>
>But what about Monica, mother hen to the gang?
I don't think she has the same perspective as Joey has. She has always
been in need of friends and people acknowledging her work, so she is
the woman who'll make you cookies (618) and candy (709) whenever you
want it. Joey is a friend who'll be there for you because of the
friendship itself. He has never been bullied the way poor Monica was
when she was a child, so he doesn't think of his friends as people
he's supposed to protect from the world outside their apartments.
They're his friends, and for Joey that's just as important as his big
family.
>> As for Ross, he's now lost three wives and a Porsche, so I'd say that
>> things can only get better from here.
>
>Lol, if Joey borrowed his car in 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the Line",
>then Ross has now lost three wives, a Porsche, and an MGB.
Grin. Poor Ross..
>>>>>>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
>
>>>> Maybe Joey's wish from 323 will come true after all. :)
>
>>> But will they call the result Chuck, or... Dick?
>
>> Or perhaps they'll be nostalgic and name it Chanoey after their "parents"?
>
>Sounds too much like Chernobyl...
But their parents *were* an explosive duo.. ;)
j/k
>>>> There are a few others as well. There is the one where JA cracks
>>>> up together with DS and MLB at the reception, and then there is a clip
>>>> where DS starts laughing at CCA and MP who have "to catch a very large
>>>> plane to New York".
>
>>> Why do they say that?
>
>> I have no idea. Someone here on the ng said that Chandler was using it
>> as a metaphor for having sex, but I dunno.
>
>I think it comes from 501 "TOA Ross Says Rachel"...
>
>MONICA: We gotta get up early and catch that plane for New York.
>CHANDLER: Yeah, it's a very large plane.
>
>..but the joke is catching a plane like catching a ball.
He should worry about catching it then. ;)
>>>>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn, MLB
>>>>>> with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA "doing her
>>>>>> brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>
>>>>> Thanks - I'll check those out.
>
>>>> VSG
>
>>> Eek, not done it yet, leave this bit in as a reminder...
>
>> Sure, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. :)
>
>Okay, but keep the reminder going.
Hehe, okay.
~Marita
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Tennant Stuart
<laura...@telus.net> wrote:
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>>> I also thought it was cute when Phoebe tried to sing along when she
>>> didn't have a clue as to what the song was.
>> Yeah - instead of singing the words, she sang like the instrument. :)
> Yep....she did a good job of impersonating a badly played set of bagpipes.
The funniest thing I've ever seen her do. :)
>>> I guess Chandler and Monica are willing to only let one of their
>>> friends/relatives make musical gaffes at their wedding (Phoebe's songs
>>> are probably be a bit of an acquired taste)
>> Actually the wedding music that she played for Joey, (just after Monica
>> said that she didn't feel like going to The Plaza), was quite nice.
> Yes, but one is never quite sure what Phoebe will play...
Monica will insist on approving the music in advance.
>> We are of one mind, Laura! SS now tops my list of best guests.
> Yes, I would agree with that. She did a marvellous job!
Yay!
>> And when Monica & Rachel guested in this story it was their best bit in
>> the episode, just as Phoebe's came when she guested in the bagpipe story.
> You know, I actually wasn't fond of the Monica&Rachel bit (it seemed to
> me that they were out of character, like the actresses were acting),
To a certain extent you could say that the actresses were parodying some
of their more extreme fans, but meeting somebody famous is an unusual
event for the characters, so they would behave abnormally. Of course
in the alternative universe, Rachel met a famous Joey Tribbiani, and
she was wowed then, but the other four were used to it.
> but I seem to be pretty much alone on that. For me, it was the only sour
> note in the Joey gets a new brain story.
Yes, I'm afraid you are alone on this one, my dear. I thought that it
was quite wonderful, and one of the highlights of an excellent story.
>>> Yep. They weren't as stellar as the Joey/Cecilia story, but they
>>> did amuse.
>> Yep.
>>> Yep.
>> Yep.
>>> Yep.
>> Yep.
>>> Yep......I better find something else to say or I'm going to get
>>> flamed for wasting bandwidth.
>> Yep.
>> I think it's nice to agree, even if it leaves us short of
>> conversation.
> Yep
Yep.
> Hmm......we are beginning to sound like the alien muppets on sesame
> street. ;-)
Lol, but at least we disagree about the Monica & Rachel bit. :)
>> All she has to do is let Phoebe sing along to the bagpipes, and the
>> guests will lap it up.
> They will certainly be amused (and after a few drinks, some of them
> would probably join in).
I'm hoping Rachel in particular will join in, with the same pep & vim
she showed when singing the theme to "Good Will Humping".
>>>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey
>>>> mistaking his incredulity for an inability to understand modern
>>>> medicine.
>>> That exchange was pretty funny.
>> Ah! A bit you enjoyed slightly more than I did!
> There you go...different strokes for different folks...the show has
> something for us all
Which is how it should be. :)
>>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is
>>>> that the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library
>>>> Book"?
>>> Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life? On
>>> the show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May
>>> birthday since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had
>>> other trysts since then which haven't been shown on the shows.
>> That could well be so, but she was the last we'd heard of.
> But Joey is keeping tabs for us. ;-)
Indeed, which makes me wonder if he has nothing better to do himself...
>>>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>>>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
>>> Well, there were the times that Monica made dinner for Chandler to
>>> make up for pretending that she made the sock puppet she gave to him
>>> in TOW The Unagi. We also saw them eat a meal together in TOW That
>>> Could Have Been when Dr. Roger gets called away for an emergency.
>> We didn't see the meal in Unagi, but TOT Could Have Been does count.
> We did see the meal in Unagi (macaroni and cheese with cut up hot dog),
> we just didn't get to see them eat it because Janice interrupted the
> festivities.
That's what I meant. Not a proper dinner.
> I think that the TOT Could Have Been is the only previous time we see them
> actually eating a meal at home alone that one of them cooked.
As a meal, not a dinner, yes that's true. :)
>>> I'm guessing that the "Bing" is Scottish and Nora is of Swedish
>>> ancestry. Do we know where the Tyler comes from? It doesn't sound
>>> Swedish, but it may have come from one of her other husbands or just
>>> be a name she took because she felt it made her sound more like a
>>> writer.
>> Could Tyler be her maiden name?
> Could be, but it doesn't sound very Swedish to me. I don't think Bing is
> Swedish either, but it is more likely that his Mom would change her name
> (either when she got married or for a pen name). Another alternative
> could have been that both the Tyler and Bing were Scottish (married to
> Swedish women), but Chandler said that one of his Grandfathers was
> Swedish (and married to a tiny little bunny). If he hadn't said that he
> was half Scottish and half Swedish we would probably have more options.
> Maybe he is mostly half-and-half and is 1/16 something or other (and
> another 1/16th Norwegian ;-).
Well, I'm hoping that Chandler's father turns up in a kilt.
>>>> Ross really was very funny on the bagpipes, not least because that
>>>> really was David Schwimmer playing them.
>>> Well, if he just started to play them, he did a pretty good job
>>> (especially since he was trying to be bad).
>> Yes, that shows his dedication. I was impressed. :)
> Yep....I wonder if he will keep it up (and will David?).
Good point, I'd like to hear more of this.
>>>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt,
>>>> but was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>>> I think that she was referencing a past incident.
>> Hmmm - I find it curiously in between...
>> ROSS: Now, remember, you have to imagine me in a kilt.
>> RACHEL: I can imagine you in a short plaid skirt, and knee-socks!
>> ROSS: You wanna start telling secrets?
>> ..since Rachel said "imagine", not "remember", but then there was...
> But she could just be parroting the word that he said....or maybe it
> is just something that they joked about in the past (ie talked about
> him dressing up like that when they were dating and discussing
> fantasies or something like that)
That might explain it then, remembering a fantasy.
>> Isn't just Joey that gets this support?
> Well, they have certainly attended a lot of things which Phoebe has done.
> They are very attentive when she plays at Central Perk. Didn't they go to
> a concert she gave for the kids at the local library? They supported her
> when she did the Smelly Cat video. And so on (they also rented one of
> "her" videos)
Only the library gig required them to go anywhere, and only Chandler,
Monica & Rachel turned up for that.
>> Remember how Ross through a flat-warming party and only Phoebe turned
>> up, and even she went to the wrong party next door?
> That's true. He was throwing the party for his neighbours so maybe he
> didn't invite the others? Phoebe came because she was crashing the party?
He invited Phoebe, since when he found her next door she said she thought
that it was his party. If he invited her, then why not the others? Is this
further proof of an undercurrent between them?
> "I'm gonna throw a party. That's right. For everyone in the building,
> and I'm gonna sit them down and explain to them, I am not a bad guy" If
> he invited his friends they might have interfered with his lectures
> (and Joey would be flirting with the hot girls while all the male
> neighbours would be drooling all over the three girls and Chandler would
> be drinking the apartment dry because he was depressed about his latest
> break up)
But the neighbours would have had a great time, and realised that Ross is
really sweet and he's really funny and he's got a good heart, instead of
which nobody turned up to his party at all.
>> Joey was trying to get away from his girlfriend,
> So he needed to get her alone. Can you imagine her at a party? She didn't
> seem to be able to do small talk without having to hit Joey.
No, he goes to the party, she doesn't. Instead of which he hung around
for her to beat him up again.
>> Chandler was a bit in the dog-house,
> A depressed Chandler would bring the entire party down...you probably
> couldn't have gotten him out of his sweats or the apartment (either that
> he was out shopping for a ring)
No, he was nothing like as bad as after losing Kathy, the two cases are
entirely different. Furthermore the amount of trouble he was in was about
the same as he'd been in several times before, the only difference was
that she was making him figure it out on his own. All that would have
happened is Chandler would have proposed to Monica at the party, which
would have been the highlight of the evening, making Ross the most
popular man in the building - and C&M would be married by now...
>> while Rachel& Monica had nothing better to do,
> Monica just had a huge fight with her latest boyfriend (remember how she
> was after Richard) and Rachel probably had to comfort her (or help her
> have a boyfriend bonfire ;-)
That was nothing like Richard, whom she had just dumped forever. She had
simply rocked Chandler back on his heels. He was still in her pocket.
>> so why didn't they show up at Ross's?
> You buying any of this?
No, and you aren't either, Laura. :)
The simple truth is that this was a Ross & Phoebe story, and that his
party was meant to fail. Poor writing in an episode saved by wonderful
chemistry between Rachel & Joey (once again), and a charming C&M.
>> Maybe the story would end with Joey eating the cake off Phoebe...
> Okay...a) they probably wouldn't have shown that and b) it was much
> funnier seeing them all eat off of the floor (IMHO).
I agree with both points but I still prefer my version.. ;)
>>>> Or is Barney's equally famous in New York City?
>>> It is famous, but probably not as famous as Macy's or Saks.
>> And it's upscale, whatever that means... :)
> Are you asking? It means that its expensive and exclusive.
This is a new word, is it?
>> What I most want Rachel to do with it is give it to Ross, not just
>> because there's a story there, but to see if there really are two ATs
>> or just one they move around a lot.
> Well, there probably is just one, but I'm sure that the show could
> afford to buy another one if necessary.
Can you spot any distinguishing marks?
>> It occurs to me that if Miss Sarandon had not been a star, she could
>> have joined the cast as Joey's new roomie in Season 6 - she would have
>> been sensational.
> Yes, Susan fit right in and did a terrific acting job. But, would the
> producers have cast her at her age if she wasn't a big star? Hollywood
> does seem to relish youth unless you are a proven commodity.
You are so right - but if she can't be a regular since she's too stellar,
and she would be too old if not famous at all, then somewhere in between
she might have been just famous enough to take the part.
>>> Happily, Rachel cracking up would fit into the scene so if it was
>>> the actress, she needn't really hide it.
>> Jennifer did try to hide it a bit though, or was that Rachel's shyness?
> Or Rachel just trying to be nice (she didn't want the Ross and Phoebe
> to know she was laughing at them)?
Awww - that's a nice kind thought to end with, Laura. :)
Mouse
> >>> I guess Chandler and Monica are willing to only let one of their
> >>> friends/relatives make musical gaffes at their wedding (Phoebe's songs
> >>> are probably be a bit of an acquired taste)
>
> >> Actually the wedding music that she played for Joey, (just after Monica
> >> said that she didn't feel like going to The Plaza), was quite nice.
>
> > Yes, but one is never quite sure what Phoebe will play...
>
> Monica will insist on approving the music in advance.
What is she going to do if Phoebe starts playing something else...tackle
her?
Phoebe has certainly shown herself willing to agree with something only
to turn around and do exactly as she has already planned. Monica knows
her well enough to probably expect it by now.
> >> And when Monica & Rachel guested in this story it was their best bit in
> >> the episode, just as Phoebe's came when she guested in the bagpipe
story.
>
> > You know, I actually wasn't fond of the Monica&Rachel bit (it seemed to
> > me that they were out of character, like the actresses were acting),
>
> To a certain extent you could say that the actresses were parodying some
> of their more extreme fans, but meeting somebody famous is an unusual
> event for the characters, so they would behave abnormally. Of course
> in the alternative universe, Rachel met a famous Joey Tribbiani, and
> she was wowed then, but the other four were used to it.
Yes, but she seemed in character (alternate universe character).
>
> > but I seem to be pretty much alone on that. For me, it was the only sour
> > note in the Joey gets a new brain story.
>
> Yes, I'm afraid you are alone on this one, my dear. I thought that it
> was quite wonderful, and one of the highlights of an excellent story.
There you go...I'll just have to refrain from mentioning it to my friends
;-).
> >> All she has to do is let Phoebe sing along to the bagpipes, and the
> >> guests will lap it up.
>
> > They will certainly be amused (and after a few drinks, some of them
> > would probably join in).
>
> I'm hoping Rachel in particular will join in, with the same pep & vim
> she showed when singing the theme to "Good Will Humping".
Wouldn't it be more like the I-don't-care-what-you-think-about-me
version of Copa Cabana?
>
> >>>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey
> >>>> mistaking his incredulity for an inability to understand modern
> >>>> medicine.
>
> >>> That exchange was pretty funny.
>
> >> Ah! A bit you enjoyed slightly more than I did!
>
> > There you go...different strokes for different folks...the show has
> > something for us all
>
> Which is how it should be. :)
Yep.
> >>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is
> >>>> that the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library
> >>>> Book"?
>
> >>> Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life? On
> >>> the show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May
> >>> birthday since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had
> >>> other trysts since then which haven't been shown on the shows.
>
> >> That could well be so, but she was the last we'd heard of.
>
> > But Joey is keeping tabs for us. ;-)
>
> Indeed, which makes me wonder if he has nothing better to do himself...
Could be...I'm starting to think that Joey as become some sort of
friends' confessor. He seems to know what everybody is up to and
all their likes/dislikes.
> >>>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
> >>>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
>
> >>> Well, there were the times that Monica made dinner for Chandler to
> >>> make up for pretending that she made the sock puppet she gave to him
> >>> in TOW The Unagi. We also saw them eat a meal together in TOW That
> >>> Could Have Been when Dr. Roger gets called away for an emergency.
>
> >> We didn't see the meal in Unagi, but TOT Could Have Been does count.
>
> > We did see the meal in Unagi (macaroni and cheese with cut up hot dog),
> > we just didn't get to see them eat it because Janice interrupted the
> > festivities.
>
> That's what I meant. Not a proper dinner.
>
>
> > I think that the TOT Could Have Been is the only previous time we see
them
> > actually eating a meal at home alone that one of them cooked.
>
> As a meal, not a dinner, yes that's true. :)
What do you mean by that? How are you differentiating between the meal
and dinner? How was what they ate in TOT Could have Been not a dinner?
Confused...
>
> >>> I'm guessing that the "Bing" is Scottish and Nora is of Swedish
> >>> ancestry. Do we know where the Tyler comes from? It doesn't sound
> >>> Swedish, but it may have come from one of her other husbands or just
> >>> be a name she took because she felt it made her sound more like a
> >>> writer.
>
> >> Could Tyler be her maiden name?
>
> > Could be, but it doesn't sound very Swedish to me. I don't think Bing is
> > Swedish either, but it is more likely that his Mom would change her name
> > (either when she got married or for a pen name). Another alternative
> > could have been that both the Tyler and Bing were Scottish (married to
> > Swedish women), but Chandler said that one of his Grandfathers was
> > Swedish (and married to a tiny little bunny). If he hadn't said that he
> > was half Scottish and half Swedish we would probably have more options.
> > Maybe he is mostly half-and-half and is 1/16 something or other (and
> > another 1/16th Norwegian ;-).
>
> Well, I'm hoping that Chandler's father turns up in a kilt.
I'm just hoping he shows up.
> >> Isn't just Joey that gets this support?
>
> > Well, they have certainly attended a lot of things which Phoebe has
done.
> > They are very attentive when she plays at Central Perk. Didn't they go
to
> > a concert she gave for the kids at the local library? They supported her
> > when she did the Smelly Cat video. And so on (they also rented one of
> > "her" videos)
>
> Only the library gig required them to go anywhere, and only Chandler,
> Monica & Rachel turned up for that.
Ummm...Joey and Phoebe went to Rachel's charity auction...Chandler got
two of his friends jobs at his workplace...Joey helped Monica with her
work problems...so there is support for helping the others at work....
As for performances, Ross helped Rachel out when she decided to
sing at the wedding.
>
> >> Remember how Ross through a flat-warming party and only Phoebe turned
> >> up, and even she went to the wrong party next door?
>
> > That's true. He was throwing the party for his neighbours so maybe he
> > didn't invite the others? Phoebe came because she was crashing the
party?
>
> He invited Phoebe, since when he found her next door she said she thought
> that it was his party. If he invited her, then why not the others? Is this
> further proof of an undercurrent between them?
Could be...
>
> > "I'm gonna throw a party. That's right. For everyone in the building,
> > and I'm gonna sit them down and explain to them, I am not a bad guy" If
> > he invited his friends they might have interfered with his lectures
> > (and Joey would be flirting with the hot girls while all the male
> > neighbours would be drooling all over the three girls and Chandler would
> > be drinking the apartment dry because he was depressed about his latest
> > break up)
>
> But the neighbours would have had a great time, and realised that Ross is
> really sweet and he's really funny and he's got a good heart, instead of
> which nobody turned up to his party at all.
Like they would have showed up at his party if his friends were there? He
should have made sure that his party wasn't competing with the party he
was boycotting.
>
> >> Joey was trying to get away from his girlfriend,
>
> > So he needed to get her alone. Can you imagine her at a party? She
didn't
> > seem to be able to do small talk without having to hit Joey.
>
> No, he goes to the party, she doesn't. Instead of which he hung around
> for her to beat him up again.
Actually, he went and broke up with her while the party was going on. He
probably wouldn't have wanted to do that at Ross's party (not like it would
have made the party even worse ;-)
>
> >> Chandler was a bit in the dog-house,
>
> > A depressed Chandler would bring the entire party down...you probably
> > couldn't have gotten him out of his sweats or the apartment (either that
> > he was out shopping for a ring)
>
> No, he was nothing like as bad as after losing Kathy, the two cases are
> entirely different. Furthermore the amount of trouble he was in was about
> the same as he'd been in several times before, the only difference was
> that she was making him figure it out on his own.
Yes, you are correct
>All that would have
> happened is Chandler would have proposed to Monica at the party, which
> would have been the highlight of the evening, making Ross the most
> popular man in the building
Except that all his neighbours would still have been at Howard's party.
>- and C&M would be married by now...
Probably not...Monica knew that he wasn't proposing for the right reasons
and that the were not ready. I think she would have kindly taken him into
the hallway if it had occured at the party and let him down easy.
>
> >> while Rachel& Monica had nothing better to do,
>
> > Monica just had a huge fight with her latest boyfriend (remember how she
> > was after Richard) and Rachel probably had to comfort her (or help her
> > have a boyfriend bonfire ;-)
>
> That was nothing like Richard, whom she had just dumped forever. She had
> simply rocked Chandler back on his heels. He was still in her pocket.
Yep
>
> >> so why didn't they show up at Ross's?
>
> > You buying any of this?
>
> No, and you aren't either, Laura. :)
Yes, I'm just trying to grasp at straws to come up with a reason to
explain their absence.
>
> The simple truth is that this was a Ross & Phoebe story, and that his
> party was meant to fail. Poor writing in an episode saved by wonderful
> chemistry between Rachel & Joey (once again), and a charming C&M.
Yes, there is the reality.
> >>>> Or is Barney's equally famous in New York City?
>
> >>> It is famous, but probably not as famous as Macy's or Saks.
>
> >> And it's upscale, whatever that means... :)
>
> > Are you asking? It means that its expensive and exclusive.
>
> This is a new word, is it?
Not really...I've heard it forever...the dictionary gives its origin date
as 1966 so I guess it is a kind of a newish word.
>
> >> What I most want Rachel to do with it is give it to Ross, not just
> >> because there's a story there, but to see if there really are two ATs
> >> or just one they move around a lot.
>
> > Well, there probably is just one, but I'm sure that the show could
> > afford to buy another one if necessary.
>
> Can you spot any distinguishing marks?
It's from the Pottery Barn.
Does Ikea furniture have distinguishing marks? No. This isn't stuff
hand crafted by master carpenters. Its stuff that is made in big factories
and meant to look like every other piece of the same type.
Now Ross's might have a red wine stain on it and Phoebe's/Rachel's
might smell of smoke.
>
> >> It occurs to me that if Miss Sarandon had not been a star, she could
> >> have joined the cast as Joey's new roomie in Season 6 - she would have
> >> been sensational.
>
> > Yes, Susan fit right in and did a terrific acting job. But, would the
> > producers have cast her at her age if she wasn't a big star? Hollywood
> > does seem to relish youth unless you are a proven commodity.
>
> You are so right - but if she can't be a regular since she's too stellar,
> and she would be too old if not famous at all, then somewhere in between
> she might have been just famous enough to take the part.
Yes...a very fine line...
>
> >>> Happily, Rachel cracking up would fit into the scene so if it was
> >>> the actress, she needn't really hide it.
>
> >> Jennifer did try to hide it a bit though, or was that Rachel's shyness?
>
> > Or Rachel just trying to be nice (she didn't want the Ross and Phoebe
> > to know she was laughing at them)?
>
> Awww - that's a nice kind thought to end with, Laura. :)
Thanks. Hopefully it makes up for some of my recent negativity.
laura
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> I forgot it...
Well, treat this as your reminder..
>>>>> Yes, I think so. *sniff*
>>>> Awww... here, have a tissue, I'm all cried out today.
>>> Lol! A little weird and sensitive, are we? j/k (205)
>> That's right, I also listen in my sleep...
> "Dwuude! I am tryingh to schleep!" ;)
Lol, it's nice to see Joey can be a dork too. :)
>>> However, if Ross wants to honour Chandler's Swedish roots, he could
>>> play the national anthem "Du Gamla, Du Fria" and dress up in the
>>> national costume. :)
>> Would that sound good on bagpipes, then?
> I'm afraid not. :)
How about on keyboards?
>>>>>>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>>>>>> Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
>>>>> What heat? :P
>>>> In the sauna, of course.
>>> I think the Swedes prefer their adorable red cottages. :)
>> Omforladelss?
> RPGOL! The Turkish dictionary again? ;)
Affedersiniz?
> Anyway, Sweden is widely known for their red houses. You can see
> thousands of them in rural Sweden.
Red paint or red bricks?
>>>> American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
>>> Yeah, and many of them are collapsible, like the ones Rachel
>>> and Ross own.
>> I know! Haven't they heard of sensitive microphones?
> It doesn't seem that way. I went to a cell-phone store in the States,
> and I was quite surprised to see the size of the phones.
It's amazing, isn't it? The poor people think that they're ahead...
>>> I still think it was wrong of Phoebe to use her mother's suicide as a
>>> way to make her friends feel bad for her. You'd think she was still in
>>> shock after saving Earl's life in 713.
>> Could a continuing contact with Earl be the reason why?
> But why would she trivialise it if she's still in touch with Earl?
Because to her it was not trivialisation but familiarity.
>>>>> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>>>> The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
>>> The Friends writers. :)
>> Well I suppose - but wasn't it slightly anti-writer?
> Probably.
So how come? 218 "TOW Dr.Ramoray Dies" was very pro-writer.
>>>>> New entry for the TWWWS list:
>>>>> Joey's genealogical table
>>>> To find out if it's Joseph or Gloria who has the non-Italian
>>>> grandparent?
>>> Yep, and if he's of British stock as well.
>> Or even Norwegian?
> Grin. I doubt it.
Oh dear... ;)
>>>>>> But even at 55, Mrs.Sarandon has still got it, oh yeah.
>>>>> A woman with brains and an Oscar usually does. :)
>>>> Yeppity!
>>> Which means that there will be a lot of intelligent women in the
>>> Shrine Auditorium on Sunday. Hmmm... Perhaps I should take that back
>>> and say "some intelligent women" instead.
>> Well, there will be women with brains & an Oscar, women with brains but
>> no Oscar, women with no brains but an Oscar, and <insert name here>.
> And women with no brains and no Oscars, but the dresses showed enough
> skin that people didn't seem to care about their lack of braincells.
Hmmmmmmm..... skinnnnnnnnn... er, sorry? What were you saying just now?
>>>>>>> My copy stopped right before the kiss, and I
>>>>>>> started wondering if that was supposed to happen.
>>>>>> Oh, you poor baby! Tell me EXACTLY where your copy stops, and I'll
>>>>>> describe the rest in full detail, okay? :)
>>>>> It stops right after "passionate".
>>> <snip>
>>>> FADEOUT
>>> Thanks a lot! However, I got a complete copy of the episode a couple
>>> of days after you posted this, so I've seen it now. :)
>> Hmmmphh, after I spent all that while describing every detail...
> Still, I'm very grateful, Tennant. :)
Oh, alright then, sweetie. :)
>>>>> These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
>>>> Yah, that's why I wanna see Joanna return...
>>> I bet there could be another chickfight a la 611 in the street if she
>>> started hitting on Chandler.
>> Not if she's pretty snappy with those cuffs.
> Considering that she couldn't put on her mascara properly, I don't
> think she was that good with the cuffs.
It's not easy putting on mascara, when your feet are chained to the bed.
>>>>> Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
>>>>> Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
>>>>> fiery redhead and a lethal guitar case...
>>>> Oh, I'm sure that would be something, but no Salma Hayek? :(
>>> Well, we (i.e. girls) have Banderas, so we don't mind.
>> Hah, that's alright for you (i.e. girls) then. :(
> Aww... Pheebs...
> Didn't you get enough of scantily clad girls at the Oscars? ;)
> j/k
Hmmmmmmm..... scantily clad girlssssssssssssssssssss.......
>>>>>> You'd have thought that Ross would be into Science Fiction,
>>>>>> wouldn't you, and then he would have been able to just laugh off
>>>>>> the soap plot?
>>>>> He enjoys spy-novels. (608) :)
>>>> Well, that's what he tells pretty girls.
>>> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
>>> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>> What's the Phoebe connection?
> She had a thing for James Bond in 215. :)
Ah yes, so that's Ross dressing up as top spy James Bond for Phoebe.
Which BTW is only the second entry for 608.
>>>> Of course, but the game is to have your country mentioned on the
>>>> show, and if it doesn't begin with "Norw" then it's no banana.
>>> So I guess I should thank Monty Python and The X-Files who gave us a
>>> "banana". ;)
>> Why the X-Files?
> Scully and Mulder went to Northern Norway in episode 2.19 "Dod Kalm".
Lol, YOC the spoof of "Dead Calm", but shouldn't that be "Død Kålm"?
> I remember my friends and I laughing our asses off when the actors
> started swearing... in Norwegian.
What did they say?
> There was also a guy called Henry Trondheim(!), who we thought was
> hilarious.
OMG, that's *very* close to home, the nearest I've got is Shropshire.
Now we know where all the Norwegian references went - there must be
Swedish X-philes looking with envy at all the references in "Friends".
>>>>> I don't know, it sounded like an episode from their past to me. And
>>>>> I'm sure Rachel melted when Ross showed up on her doorstep in a kilt
>>>>> and blue makeup.
>>>> What?? Oh, you're still going on about Mel Gibson, aren't you? :)
>>> Yep. It sounds like a possible explanation, especially since we know
>>> how fond Ross is of make-up.
>> It seemed to me there was nothing manly about Ross's get-up.
> Yeah, but I want to make Ross look good. :)
No need, he's a nice guy, I'd be proud to have him as my brother-in-law.
>>>>>> Do you think there's any chance that we will get this in Europe?
>>>>> Hmm.. I don't know really. I'm very pessimistic about it since I've
>>>>> seen what has happened to long episodes in the past (i.e. the
>>>>> double-episodes).
>>>> That's because they have to cut out enough for a second title sequence
>>>> when made into separate programmes. Here we are hoping that they'll be
>>>> stretched out instead into one long one.
>>> I'll get to see this in ten weeks, and you can check it even sooner.
>>> However, as I said, I won't believe it until I see it for myself. It's
>>> better to get a pleasant surprise anyway.
>> We find out on Tuesday...
> Rumours say that they're indeed cut, but I hope not!!
See what I've said under S7-13, all I know is the slot is 30 minutes.
>>>> There is a way to divide a cheesecake into three, but it's a bit more
>>>> elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same principles
>>>> of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are you interested?
>>> What do you mean?
>> To fairly divide into two, one person cuts & the other chooses.
>> I know how to do this for three.
> How?
Phoebe cuts the cheesecake into three slices.
Chandler examines the slices to decide if at least two are okay.
If Chandler approves, jump to RACHEL'S CHOICE, else...
Rachel examines the slices to decide if at least two are okay.
If Rachel approves, jump to CHANDLER'S CHOICE, else...
PHOEBE'S CHOICE
Chandler nominates any two slices as Phoebe's.
Rachel nominates any two slices as Phoebe's.
Phoebe takes any one slice that was nominated twice.
Chandler reassembles the remaining two slices.
Rachel cuts this assembly into two new slices.
Chandler takes any one of the slices he wants.
Rachel has the last slice.
RACHEL'S CHOICE
Rachel takes any one of the three slices she wants.
Chandler takes any one of the two slices he wants.
Phoebe has the last slice.
CHANDLER'S CHOICE
Chandler takes any one of the three slices he wants.
Rachel takes any one of the two slices she wants.
Phoebe has the last slice.
>>>> I'm starting to miss Tag. I wanna see him finished off properly.
>>> "Finish off" sounds good, but since I'm watching Scream 2 as I'm
>>> writing this, it has a certain ring to it that I bet Tag won't like.
>> That's okay. :)
> We'll put him in Scream 4 and make Gale Weathers the murderer. :)
Only if she finishes off Dewey first.
>>>> Exactly. Once again Chandler (and Ross) should have listened to Joey,
>>>> although in the long run that was good for Chandler, and who knows
>>>> yet about Ross's fate?
>>> I have a theory that Joey is probably *the* Friend of the gang. He's
>>> been there for Monica (e.g. 303), Chandler (more times than I can
>>> mention), Phoebe (e.g. 711), Rachel (ever since she moved in) and Ross
>>> (e.g. 706 and 506/507)
>> That's very clever, I like that.
>> But what about Monica, mother hen to the gang?
> I don't think she has the same perspective as Joey has. She has always
> been in need of friends and people acknowledging her work, so she is the
> woman who'll make you cookies (618) and candy (709) whenever you want
> it. Joey is a friend who'll be there for you because of the friendship
> itself. He has never been bullied the way poor Monica was when she was a
> child, so he doesn't think of his friends as people he's supposed to
> protect from the world outside their apartments. They're his friends,
> and for Joey that's just as important as his big family.
I still have my doubts about Joey's childhood, but I do accept the
different ways they relate to their friends.
>>> As for Ross, he's now lost three wives and a Porsche, so I'd say that
>>> things can only get better from here.
>> Lol, if Joey borrowed his car in 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the Line",
>> then Ross has now lost three wives, a Porsche, and an MGB.
> Grin. Poor Ross..
Yep, and I bet that his furniture was never quite the same after he
had gotten it back from Gunther...
>>>>>>>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck which can't get away.
>>>>> Maybe Joey's wish from 323 will come true after all. :)
>>>> But will they call the result Chuck, or... Dick?
>>> Or perhaps they'll be nostalgic and name it Chanoey after their
>>> "parents"?
>> Sounds too much like Chernobyl...
> But their parents *were* an explosive duo.. ;)
> j/k
Lol
>>>>>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn,
>>>>>>> MLB with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA
>>>>>>> "doing her brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>>>>>> Thanks - I'll check those out.
>>>>> VSG
>>>> Eek, not done it yet, leave this bit in as a reminder...
>>> Sure, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. :)
>> Okay, but keep the reminder going.
> Hehe, okay.
Right, LK sitting in front of a weird face in 417 is where she's excited
about the Relaxicab idea but Rachel is stealing her thunder - and Monica
is curled tight in Chandler's arms as they cuddle up in her easy chair,
seven episodes before they got together...
Anyway, no wonder I didn't recognise the setting since Monica's version
of #19 didn't last long, and that was the only time we saw her vase, nei?
As for the bowl of pears in 611, that was when Monica was too thin with
her hair pulled back being all loud & screechy - yet when CCA explained
to the audience that it was one of those days, she was all warm & lovely,
just like she is now & always used to be.
Finally, CCA saying she's doing her brother - that must be the missing
tag to 613 - I'm assuming that Norway didn't get the tag, did you?
The last thing we saw in Britain was Chandler also in his dressing gown,
and Rachel telling him & Monica about Ross & Jill, then the episode ends
with dancing in the fountain for the credits.
Tennant Stuart
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>>> One is never quite sure what Phoebe will play...
>> Monica will insist on approving the music in advance.
> What is she going to do if Phoebe starts playing something else...tackle
> her? Phoebe has certainly shown herself willing to agree with something
> only to turn around and do exactly as she has already planned. Monica
> knows her well enough to probably expect it by now.
I'm sure you'll be delighted to provide examples from 101-715. :)
>>>> And when Monica & Rachel guested in this story it was their best bit
>>>> in the episode, just as Phoebe's came when she guested in the bagpipe
>>>> story.
>>> You know, I actually wasn't fond of the Monica&Rachel bit (it seemed
>>> to me that they were out of character, like the actresses were acting),
>> To a certain extent you could say that the actresses were parodying
>> some of their more extreme fans, but meeting somebody famous is an
>> unusual event for the characters, so they would behave abnormally. Of
>> course in the alternative universe, Rachel met a famous Joey Tribbiani,
>> and she was wowed then, but the other four were used to it.
> Yes, but she seemed in character (alternate universe character).
Okay, but I'm standing by unusual behaviour in unusual circumstances.
>>> but I seem to be pretty much alone on that. For me, it was the only
>>> sour note in the Joey gets a new brain story.
>> Yes, I'm afraid you are alone on this one, my dear. I thought that it
>> was quite wonderful, and one of the highlights of an excellent story.
> There you go...I'll just have to refrain from mentioning it to my
> friends ;-).
Awww... :)
>>>> All she has to do is let Phoebe sing along to the bagpipes, and the
>>>> guests will lap it up.
>>> They will certainly be amused (and after a few drinks, some of them
>>> would probably join in).
>> I'm hoping Rachel in particular will join in, with the same pep & vim
>> she showed when singing the theme to "Good Will Humping".
> Wouldn't it be more like the I-don't-care-what-you-think-about-me
> version of Copa Cabana?
It probably would be, but that's not what I'm hoping for.
>>>>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is
>>>>>> that the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's
>>>>>> Library Book"?
>>>>> Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life?
>>>>> On the show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May
>>>>> birthday since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had
>>>>> other trysts since then which haven't been shown on the shows.
>>>> That could well be so, but she was the last we'd heard of.
>>> But Joey is keeping tabs for us. ;-)
>> Indeed, which makes me wonder if he has nothing better to do himself...
> Could be...I'm starting to think that Joey as become some sort of
> friends' confessor. He seems to know what everybody is up to and
> all their likes/dislikes.
The girls all like to talk to him, and he roots out secrets on his own.
>>>> We didn't see the meal in Unagi, but TOT Could Have Been does count.
>>> We did see the meal in Unagi (macaroni and cheese with cut up hot
>>> dog), we just didn't get to see them eat it because Janice interrupted
>>> the festivities.
>> That's what I meant. Not a proper dinner.
>>> I think that the TOT Could Have Been is the only previous time we see
>>> them actually eating a meal at home alone that one of them cooked.
>> As a meal, not a dinner, yes that's true. :)
> What do you mean by that? How are you differentiating between the meal
> and dinner? How was what they ate in TOT Could have Been not a dinner?
> Confused...
Sorry Laura, you're quite right, I could have put it better. TOT Could
Have Been had a dinner, and I did say that it counted. The non-dinner
meal was the macaroni & cheese with cut-up hot dog in TOW Unagi.
>> I'm hoping that Chandler's father turns up in a kilt.
> I'm just hoping he shows up.
Oh, me too.
>> Only the library gig required them to go anywhere, and only Chandler,
>> Monica & Rachel turned up for that.
> Ummm...Joey and Phoebe went to Rachel's charity auction... Chandler got
> two of his friends jobs at his workplace... Joey helped Monica with her
> work problems... so there is support for helping the others at work....
> As for performances, Ross helped Rachel out when she decided to sing at
> the wedding.
Yes, but none of these examples required "turning up".
One could argue that the girls have made a habit of turning up for
Ross's lectures, but not in a way that he'd appreciate. <g>
>>>>> Remember how Ross through a flat-warming party and only Phoebe
>>>>> turned up, and even she went to the wrong party next door?
>>> That's true. He was throwing the party for his neighbours so maybe he
>>> didn't invite the others? Phoebe came because she was crashing the
>>> party?
>> He invited Phoebe, since when he found her next door she said she
>> thought that it was his party. If he invited her, then why not the
>> others? Is this further proof of an undercurrent between them?
> Could be...
Thanks. :)
>> The neighbours would have had a great time, and realised that Ross is
>> really sweet and he's really funny and he's got a good heart, instead
>> of which nobody turned up to his party at all.
> Like they would have showed up at his party if his friends were there? He
> should have made sure that his party wasn't competing with the party he
> was boycotting.
The whole point of Ross's party was to compete with the party he was
boycotting. What Ross needed was Chandler in the hallway grabbing all
the pretty girls, and Monica at #3A organising the party games.
>>>> Joey was trying to get away from his girlfriend,
>>> So he needed to get her alone. Can you imagine her at a party? She
>>> didn't seem to be able to do small talk without having to hit Joey.
>> No, he goes to the party, she doesn't. Instead of which he hung around
>> for her to beat him up again.
> Actually, he went and broke up with her while the party was going on. He
> probably wouldn't have wanted to do that at Ross's party (not like it
> would have made the party even worse ;-)
Okay, but Joey could simply have gone to Ross's party without her, and
broken up with her later, (maybe she would have dumped him for that).
>>>> Chandler was a bit in the dog-house,
>>> A depressed Chandler would bring the entire party down...you probably
>>> couldn't have gotten him out of his sweats or the apartment (either
>>> that he was out shopping for a ring)
>> No, he was nothing like as bad as after losing Kathy, the two cases are
>> entirely different. Furthermore the amount of trouble he was in was
>> about the same as he'd been in several times before, the only
>> difference was that she was making him figure it out on his own.
> Yes, you are correct
Thanks. :)
>> All that would have happened is Chandler would have proposed to Monica
>> at the party, which would have been the highlight of the evening,
>> making Ross the most popular man in the building
> Except that all his neighbours would still have been at Howard's party.
Not the pretty girls, nor most of the other guests once Phoebe organised
an underground railroad - especially after Joey got the #3B volleyball
tournament going, and Rachel put on a skit in her cheerleader outfit.
>> - and C&M would be married by now...
> Probably not...Monica knew that he wasn't proposing for the right reasons
> and that the were not ready. I think she would have kindly taken him into
> the hallway if it had occurred at the party and let him down easy.
Ah, but Monica wouldn't be playing cards with her friends, she'd be stuck
at the wrong party trying to organise a Boggle tournament with Howard and
Steve, until she became frustrated by their inability to push the caps back
on the pens until they heard them click... So in the end Phoebe would take
her to #3B where caught up in the merry throng and drunk but not too drunk
she'd receive Chandler's proposal in a less responsible frame of mind...
>>>> while Rachel & Monica had nothing better to do,
>>> Monica just had a huge fight with her latest boyfriend (remember how
>>> she was after Richard) and Rachel probably had to comfort her (or help
>>> her have a boyfriend bonfire ;-)
>> That was nothing like Richard, whom she had just dumped forever. She had
>> simply rocked Chandler back on his heels. He was still in her pocket.
> Yep
Thanks.
>>>> so why didn't they show up at Ross's?
>>> You buying any of this?
>> No, and you aren't either, Laura. :)
> Yes, I'm just trying to grasp at straws to come up with a reason to
> explain their absence.
Because the episode would have been a cheap rehash of 222/311/416? ;)
>> The simple truth is that this was a Ross & Phoebe story, and that his
>> party was meant to fail. Poor writing in an episode saved by wonderful
>> chemistry between Rachel & Joey (once again), and a charming C&M.
> Yes, there is the reality.
Yep.
>>>> What I most want Rachel to do with it is give it to Ross, not just
>>>> because there's a story there, but to see if there really are two ATs
>>>> or just one they move around a lot.
>>> Well, there probably is just one, but I'm sure that the show could
>>> afford to buy another one if necessary.
>> Can you spot any distinguishing marks?
> It's from the Pottery Barn.
> Does Ikea furniture have distinguishing marks? No. This isn't stuff
> hand crafted by master carpenters. Its stuff that is made in big factories
> and meant to look like every other piece of the same type.
> Now Ross's might have a red wine stain on it and Phoebe's/Rachel's
> might smell of smoke.
That's the sort of thing I meant, like scuff marks or something.
>>>> It occurs to me that if Miss Sarandon had not been a star, she could
>>>> have joined the cast as Joey's new roomie in Season 6 - she would
>>>> have been sensational.
>>> Yes, Susan fit right in and did a terrific acting job. But, would the
>>> producers have cast her at her age if she wasn't a big star? Hollywood
>>> does seem to relish youth unless you are a proven commodity.
>> You are so right - but if she can't be a regular since she's too
>> stellar, and she would be too old if not famous at all, then somewhere
>> in between she might have been just famous enough to take the part.
> Yes...a very fine line...
Well, we can dream, eh Laura?
>>>>> Happily, Rachel cracking up would fit into the scene so if it was
>>>>> the actress, she needn't really hide it.
>>>> Jennifer did try to hide it a bit though, or was that Rachel's shyness?
>>> Or Rachel just trying to be nice (she didn't want the Ross and Phoebe
>>> to know she was laughing at them)?
>> Awww - that's a nice kind thought to end with, Laura. :)
> Thanks. Hopefully it makes up for some of my recent negativity.
Hey babe, no worries, you keep me straight. :)
Tennant Stuart
panic...@aol.com (PanickedOz) wrote:
> Can I ask a question? Just how tiny are *your* cell phones over there?
> I ask this because I have seen phones of lots of different sizes over
> here, including a tiny tiny red one that my brother has. (Don't as for
> the brand or company though, I don't know)
My mobile phone is 5" long, and doesn't unfold. Some phones are smaller.
Jacqui
> PanickedOz wrote:
>
> > Can I ask a question? Just how tiny are *your* cell phones over there?
> > I ask this because I have seen phones of lots of different sizes over
> > here, including a tiny tiny red one that my brother has. (Don't as for
> > the brand or company though, I don't know)
>
> My mobile phone is 5" long, and doesn't unfold. Some phones are smaller.
>
about how *small* theirs are....
Jac
Mouse
Umm...what about the phone message in TOW Phoebe Runs?
>
> >>>> And when Monica & Rachel guested in this story it was their best bit
> >>>> in the episode, just as Phoebe's came when she guested in the bagpipe
> >>>> story.
>
> >>> You know, I actually wasn't fond of the Monica&Rachel bit (it seemed
> >>> to me that they were out of character, like the actresses were
acting),
>
> >> To a certain extent you could say that the actresses were parodying
> >> some of their more extreme fans, but meeting somebody famous is an
> >> unusual event for the characters, so they would behave abnormally. Of
> >> course in the alternative universe, Rachel met a famous Joey Tribbiani,
> >> and she was wowed then, but the other four were used to it.
>
> > Yes, but she seemed in character (alternate universe character).
>
> Okay, but I'm standing by unusual behaviour in unusual circumstances.
Could be...it just seemed that their behaviour was a bit too unusual. Did
they act the same way around Jean-Claude Van Damme in TOW After
The SuperBowl?
>
> >>>>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is
> >>>>>> that the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's
> >>>>>> Library Book"?
>
> >>>>> Hasn't it been 3 1/2 months since that episode aired in real life?
> >>>>> On the show, they have had Thanksgiving, Christmas and Rachel's May
> >>>>> birthday since he met the girl in the library. Perhaps he has had
> >>>>> other trysts since then which haven't been shown on the shows.
>
> >>>> That could well be so, but she was the last we'd heard of.
>
> >>> But Joey is keeping tabs for us. ;-)
>
> >> Indeed, which makes me wonder if he has nothing better to do himself...
>
> > Could be...I'm starting to think that Joey as become some sort of
> > friends' confessor. He seems to know what everybody is up to and
> > all their likes/dislikes.
>
> The girls all like to talk to him, and he roots out secrets on his own.
I think that Chandler and Ross both told him about their secret hatreds.
How else would he find out? Did he see Ross kick a bowl of ice cream?
>
> >>>> We didn't see the meal in Unagi, but TOT Could Have Been does count.
>
> >>> We did see the meal in Unagi (macaroni and cheese with cut up hot
> >>> dog), we just didn't get to see them eat it because Janice interrupted
> >>> the festivities.
>
> >> That's what I meant. Not a proper dinner.
>
> >>> I think that the TOT Could Have Been is the only previous time we see
> >>> them actually eating a meal at home alone that one of them cooked.
>
> >> As a meal, not a dinner, yes that's true. :)
>
> > What do you mean by that? How are you differentiating between the meal
> > and dinner? How was what they ate in TOT Could have Been not a dinner?
> > Confused...
>
> Sorry Laura, you're quite right, I could have put it better. TOT Could
> Have Been had a dinner, and I did say that it counted. The non-dinner
> meal was the macaroni & cheese with cut-up hot dog in TOW Unagi.
Ah...okay.
>
> >> Only the library gig required them to go anywhere, and only Chandler,
> >> Monica & Rachel turned up for that.
>
> > Ummm...Joey and Phoebe went to Rachel's charity auction... Chandler got
> > two of his friends jobs at his workplace... Joey helped Monica with her
> > work problems... so there is support for helping the others at work....
> > As for performances, Ross helped Rachel out when she decided to sing at
> > the wedding.
>
> Yes, but none of these examples required "turning up".
>
> One could argue that the girls have made a habit of turning up for
> Ross's lectures, but not in a way that he'd appreciate. <g>
Sure...Joey and Phoebe had to turn up at the charity auction. Joey had to
turn up at Monica's work and perform so she could fire him. If you want
other kinds of turning up, Monica, Chandler and Joey went with Phoebe
in the cab to support her while she went looking for her father. Phoebe,
Rachel and Monica took the day to help Chandler get over Kathy.
There are lots of times when the Friends have supported each other
in all sorts of ways.
> >>>>> Remember how Ross through a flat-warming party and only Phoebe
> >>>>> turned up, and even she went to the wrong party next door?
>
> >>> That's true. He was throwing the party for his neighbours so maybe he
> >>> didn't invite the others? Phoebe came because she was crashing the
> >>> party?
>
>
> >> The neighbours would have had a great time, and realised that Ross is
> >> really sweet and he's really funny and he's got a good heart, instead
> >> of which nobody turned up to his party at all.
>
> > Like they would have showed up at his party if his friends were there?
He
> > should have made sure that his party wasn't competing with the party he
> > was boycotting.
>
> The whole point of Ross's party was to compete with the party he was
> boycotting. What Ross needed was Chandler in the hallway grabbing all
> the pretty girls, and Monica at #3A organising the party games.
Chandler and Monica were going through their own problems. At that
point, there is no way that Chandler would be in the mood to be in the
hallway grabbing all the pretty girls and if he was, Monica would probably
not be in the mood to organise the party games. I don't expect Ross could
have expected much levity from either of those two on the day of his
party.
>
> >>>> Joey was trying to get away from his girlfriend,
>
> >>> So he needed to get her alone. Can you imagine her at a party? She
> >>> didn't seem to be able to do small talk without having to hit Joey.
>
> >> No, he goes to the party, she doesn't. Instead of which he hung around
> >> for her to beat him up again.
>
> > Actually, he went and broke up with her while the party was going on. He
> > probably wouldn't have wanted to do that at Ross's party (not like it
> > would have made the party even worse ;-)
>
> Okay, but Joey could simply have gone to Ross's party without her, and
> broken up with her later, (maybe she would have dumped him for that).
True...but he had just gained the resolve to break up with her and struck
while the iron was hot. Rachel has the least excuse not to be at the party.
She was just hanging about the coffee shop.
>
> >> All that would have happened is Chandler would have proposed to Monica
> >> at the party, which would have been the highlight of the evening,
> >> making Ross the most popular man in the building
>
> > Except that all his neighbours would still have been at Howard's party.
>
> Not the pretty girls, nor most of the other guests once Phoebe organised
> an underground railroad - especially after Joey got the #3B volleyball
> tournament going, and Rachel put on a skit in her cheerleader outfit.
But would Ross be as open to a volleyball tournament in his apartment
(and would he want Rachel trolling for guys in his apartment?). He
doesn't even like fireball, so he's not one for the destructive games.
>
> >> - and C&M would be married by now...
>
> > Probably not...Monica knew that he wasn't proposing for the right
reasons
> > and that the were not ready. I think she would have kindly taken him
into
> > the hallway if it had occurred at the party and let him down easy.
>
> Ah, but Monica wouldn't be playing cards with her friends, she'd be stuck
> at the wrong party trying to organise a Boggle tournament with Howard and
> Steve, until she became frustrated by their inability to push the caps
back
> on the pens until they heard them click... So in the end Phoebe would take
> her to #3B where caught up in the merry throng and drunk but not too drunk
> she'd receive Chandler's proposal in a less responsible frame of mind...
And the next morning they would wake up and realize that they weren't
ready and discuss it seperately with their friends over the breakfast table
and Phoebe would get drunk and they would find out that the guy Rachel
managed to land the previous night with her cheerleading outfit was Ross
and then Chandler and Monica would throw a volleyball up in the air and
if it didn't land on the flan they would decide to wait to get married.
> >>>> so why didn't they show up at Ross's?
>
> >>> You buying any of this?
>
> >> No, and you aren't either, Laura. :)
>
> > Yes, I'm just trying to grasp at straws to come up with a reason to
> > explain their absence.
>
> Because the episode would have been a cheap rehash of 222/311/416? ;)
and 524?
> >> The simple truth is that this was a Ross & Phoebe story, and that his
> >> party was meant to fail. Poor writing in an episode saved by wonderful
> >> chemistry between Rachel & Joey (once again), and a charming C&M.
>
> > Yes, there is the reality.
>
> Yep.
Yep.
> >>>> It occurs to me that if Miss Sarandon had not been a star, she could
> >>>> have joined the cast as Joey's new roomie in Season 6 - she would
> >>>> have been sensational.
>
> >>> Yes, Susan fit right in and did a terrific acting job. But, would the
> >>> producers have cast her at her age if she wasn't a big star? Hollywood
> >>> does seem to relish youth unless you are a proven commodity.
>
> >> You are so right - but if she can't be a regular since she's too
> >> stellar, and she would be too old if not famous at all, then somewhere
> >> in between she might have been just famous enough to take the part.
>
> > Yes...a very fine line...
>
> Well, we can dream, eh Laura?
Yes, but would you want to follow the same story lines or would you
hope the stories would have gone in a different direction (and would
we have missed out on her excellent turn as the soap diva)?
laura
Tennant Stuart
<laura...@telus.net> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.c39f304a62...@argonet.co.uk...
>>>> Monica will insist on approving the music in advance.
>>> What is she going to do if Phoebe starts playing something else...
>>> tackle her? Phoebe has certainly shown herself willing to agree
>>> with something only to turn around and do exactly as she has already
>>> planned. Monica knows her well enough to probably expect it by now.
>> I'm sure you'll be delighted to provide examples from 101-715. :)
> Umm...what about the phone message in TOW Phoebe Runs?
Not really, can you find something more apt?
>> Unusual behaviour in unusual circumstances.
> Could be...it just seemed that their behaviour was a bit too unusual.
> Did they act the same way around Jean-Claude Van Damme in TOW After The
> SuperBowl?
Monica was too overcome to dare talk to him (since he'd totally changed
time), then she & Rachel *fought* over him - twice. When Monica finally
spoke to him she kept asking if he could beat up any guy that they saw.
>> The girls all like to talk to him, and he roots out secrets on his own.
> I think that Chandler and Ross both told him about their secret hatreds.
> How else would he find out? Did he see Ross kick a bowl of ice cream?
Maybe Joey figured it out after he told him to grab a spoon, but Ross
failed to sample Rocky Road, Cookie Dough, and Cherry Vanilla for a
whole year, and even then she was the wrong flavour.
>> Yes, but none of these examples required "turning up".
>> One could argue that the girls have made a habit of turning up for
>> Ross's lectures, but not in a way that he'd appreciate. <g>
> Sure...Joey and Phoebe had to turn up at the charity auction. Joey had
> to turn up at Monica's work and perform so she could fire him. If you
> want other kinds of turning up, Monica, Chandler and Joey went with
> Phoebe in the cab to support her while she went looking for her father.
> Phoebe, Rachel and Monica took the day to help Chandler get over Kathy.
> There are lots of times when the Friends have supported each other in
> all sorts of ways.
Those are all examples of accompanying, not turning up. :)
>> The whole point of Ross's party was to compete with the party he was
>> boycotting. What Ross needed was Chandler in the hallway grabbing all
>> the pretty girls, and Monica at #3A organising the party games.
> Chandler and Monica were going through their own problems. At that
> point, there is no way that Chandler would be in the mood to be in the
> hallway grabbing all the pretty girls and if he was, Monica would
> probably not be in the mood to organise the party games. I don't expect
> Ross could have expected much levity from either of those two on the day
> of his party.
Yes okay, so Chandler could have gone to #3A to bring the mood down, and
Monica to #3A to cook party treats & let the smell waft across the hall.
>> Joey could simply have gone to Ross's party without her, and
>> broken up with her later, (maybe she would have dumped him for that).
> True...but he had just gained the resolve to break up with her and
> struck while the iron was hot.
So that was an example of Joey putting himself first, then.
> Rachel has the least excuse not to be at the party. She was just hanging
> about the coffee shop.
Yep.
>> Not the pretty girls, nor most of the other guests once Phoebe organised
>> an underground railroad - especially after Joey got the #3B volleyball
>> tournament going, and Rachel put on a skit in her cheerleader outfit.
> But would Ross be as open to a volleyball tournament in his apartment
> (and would he want Rachel trolling for guys in his apartment?). He
> doesn't even like fireball, so he's not one for the destructive games.
Main thing was to have the best party, not a guestless party.
>> Ah, but Monica wouldn't be playing cards with her friends, she'd be
>> stuck at the wrong party trying to organise a Boggle tournament with
>> Howard and Steve, until she became frustrated by their inability to
>> push the caps back on the pens until they heard them click... So in the
>> end Phoebe would take her to #3B where caught up in the merry throng
>> and drunk but not too drunk she'd receive Chandler's proposal in a less
>> responsible frame of mind...
> And the next morning they would wake up and realize that they weren't
> ready and discuss it separately with their friends over the breakfast
> table and Phoebe would get drunk and they would find out that the guy
> Rachel managed to land the previous night with her cheerleading outfit
> was Ross and then Chandler and Monica would throw a volleyball up in the
> air and if it didn't land on the flan they would decide to wait to get
> married.
There you go then, a much better episode!
>>>>>> so why didn't they show up at Ross's?
>>>>> You buying any of this?
>>>> No, and you aren't either, Laura. :)
>>> Yes, I'm just trying to grasp at straws to come up with a reason to
>>> explain their absence.
>> Because the episode would have been a cheap rehash of 222/311/416? ;)
> and 524?
Lol okay. :)
>> Well, we can dream, eh Laura?
> Yes, but would you want to follow the same story lines or would you
> hope the stories would have gone in a different direction (and would
> we have missed out on her excellent turn as the soap diva)?
She would have been a success, so we would have had the original story
lines as the writers planned, and we would never have known about the
lost soap diva story - but maybe Geena Davis could have played her.
Tennant Stuart
I know Jacqui, which is why I was very careful to say "My mobile phone"
instead of the more casual "Mine". :)
Marita Bakken
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> However, if Ross wants to honour Chandler's Swedish roots, he could
>>>> play the national anthem "Du Gamla, Du Fria" and dress up in the
>>>> national costume. :)
>
>>> Would that sound good on bagpipes, then?
>
>> I'm afraid not. :)
>
>How about on keyboards?
Better, but I think I'd prefer a symphony orchestra. :)
>>>>>>>> From what I've seen, the Swedes are rather lively.
>
>>>>>>> Aren't the Swedes famous for sitting down & being quiet in the heat?
>
>>>>>> What heat? :P
>
>>>>> In the sauna, of course.
>
>>>> I think the Swedes prefer their adorable red cottages. :)
>
>>> Omforladelss?
>
>> RPGOL! The Turkish dictionary again? ;)
>
>Affedersiniz?
LOL! :)
>> Anyway, Sweden is widely known for their red houses. You can see
>> thousands of them in rural Sweden.
>
>Red paint or red bricks?
Paint. We have lots of forests and timber, so you don't see as many
houses of bricks in Scandinavia as you do in Britain. :)
>>>>> American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
>
>>>> Yeah, and many of them are collapsible, like the ones Rachel
>>>> and Ross own.
>
>>> I know! Haven't they heard of sensitive microphones?
>
>> It doesn't seem that way. I went to a cell-phone store in the States,
>> and I was quite surprised to see the size of the phones.
>
>It's amazing, isn't it? The poor people think that they're ahead...
Well, we have to be ahead of them in *something*
(No offence to the Americans.)
>>>> I still think it was wrong of Phoebe to use her mother's suicide as a
>>>> way to make her friends feel bad for her. You'd think she was still in
>>>> shock after saving Earl's life in 713.
>
>>> Could a continuing contact with Earl be the reason why?
>
>> But why would she trivialise it if she's still in touch with Earl?
>
>Because to her it was not trivialisation but familiarity.
Okay.
>>>>>> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>
>>>>> The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
>
>>>> The Friends writers. :)
>
>>> Well I suppose - but wasn't it slightly anti-writer?
>
>> Probably.
>
>So how come? 218 "TOW Dr.Ramoray Dies" was very pro-writer.
What I meant was that I think the Friends-writers must have had a
great time coming up with a story that was crazy enough to resurrect
the supposedly dead Dr. Ramoray.
I don't think they had anything against the DOOL writers.
>>> Well, there will be women with brains & an Oscar, women with brains but
>>> no Oscar, women with no brains but an Oscar, and <insert name here>.
>
>> And women with no brains and no Oscars, but the dresses showed enough
>> skin that people didn't seem to care about their lack of braincells.
>
>Hmmmmmmm..... skinnnnnnnnn... er, sorry? What were you saying just now?
Hehe. Busy checking out the "dress" (hah!) Jennifer Lopez wore, are
we?
>>>>>> These soap-operas are great. Nothing is too wild..
>
>>>>> Yah, that's why I wanna see Joanna return...
>
>>>> I bet there could be another chickfight a la 611 in the street if she
>>>> started hitting on Chandler.
>
>>> Not if she's pretty snappy with those cuffs.
>
>> Considering that she couldn't put on her mascara properly, I don't
>> think she was that good with the cuffs.
>
>It's not easy putting on mascara, when your feet are chained to the bed.
It doesn't limit your hands.
There could be a mirror next to the bed, too.
>>>>>> Perhaps she was supposed to star opposite Antonio Banderas in
>>>>>> Desperado. Now that would have been something, don't you think? A
>>>>>> fiery redhead and a lethal guitar case...
>
>>>>> Oh, I'm sure that would be something, but no Salma Hayek? :(
>
>>>> Well, we (i.e. girls) have Banderas, so we don't mind.
>
>>> Hah, that's alright for you (i.e. girls) then. :(
>
>> Aww... Pheebs...
>> Didn't you get enough of scantily clad girls at the Oscars? ;)
>> j/k
>
>Hmmmmmmm..... scantily clad girlssssssssssssssssssss.......
Grin.
I didn't care about them.. Ben Affleck, however, was there presenting
"Traffic"... :)
>>>> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
>>>> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>
>>> What's the Phoebe connection?
>
>> She had a thing for James Bond in 215. :)
>
>Ah yes, so that's Ross dressing up as top spy James Bond for Phoebe.
Oh, perhaps that's why she was so riveted by his performance in the
tag in 620?
>>> Why the X-Files?
>
>> Scully and Mulder went to Northern Norway in episode 2.19 "Dod Kalm".
>
>Lol, YOC the spoof of "Dead Calm", but shouldn't that be "Død Kålm"?
It should be "Død Stillhet". :)
>> I remember my friends and I laughing our asses off when the actors
>> started swearing... in Norwegian.
>
>What did they say?
"Helvete" (=hell, but I think it's worse than when you say "hell" in
English.)
The thing is that they used Russian and American accents when they
said it, so it sounded *very* weird indeed.
>> There was also a guy called Henry Trondheim(!), who we thought was
>> hilarious.
>
>OMG, that's *very* close to home, the nearest I've got is Shropshire.
Yep, we thought it was great fun. :)
>Now we know where all the Norwegian references went - there must be
>Swedish X-philes looking with envy at all the references in "Friends".
Lol! Probably.
>> Yeah, but I want to make Ross look good. :)
>
>No need, he's a nice guy, I'd be proud to have him as my brother-in-law.
Brother-in-law, huh? I'm willing to bet my computer that that "title"
wasn't a mere coincidence. ;)
>>>>> There is a way to divide a cheesecake into three, but it's a bit more
>>>>> elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same principles
>>>>> of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are you interested?
>
>>>> What do you mean?
>
>>> To fairly divide into two, one person cuts & the other chooses.
>
>>> I know how to do this for three.
>
>> How?
<snip a cake-cutting routine that would make chef Monica jealous>
*laughs* Now I know what I'm going to do next time I fight over a cake
with my friends.
>>>>> I'm starting to miss Tag. I wanna see him finished off properly.
>
>>>> "Finish off" sounds good, but since I'm watching Scream 2 as I'm
>>>> writing this, it has a certain ring to it that I bet Tag won't like.
>
>>> That's okay. :)
>
>> We'll put him in Scream 4 and make Gale Weathers the murderer. :)
>
>Only if she finishes off Dewey first.
Lol! Or she could kill him in the sequel to Scary Movie.
>> I don't think she has the same perspective as Joey has. She has always
>> been in need of friends and people acknowledging her work, so she is the
>> woman who'll make you cookies (618) and candy (709) whenever you want
>> it. Joey is a friend who'll be there for you because of the friendship
>> itself. He has never been bullied the way poor Monica was when she was a
>> child, so he doesn't think of his friends as people he's supposed to
>> protect from the world outside their apartments. They're his friends,
>> and for Joey that's just as important as his big family.
>
>I still have my doubts about Joey's childhood, but I do accept the
>different ways they relate to their friends.
What do you think about Joey's childhood? He doesn't strike me as a
person who was unpopular at school. He's such a typical "guy-guy" that
he was probably the King at all the parties when he attended
high-school.
>>>>>>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn,
>>>>>>>> MLB with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA
>>>>>>>> "doing her brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>Right, LK sitting in front of a weird face in 417 is where she's excited
>about the Relaxicab idea but Rachel is stealing her thunder - and Monica
>is curled tight in Chandler's arms as they cuddle up in her easy chair,
>seven episodes before they got together...
I know! It's cute, isn't it?
>Anyway, no wonder I didn't recognise the setting since Monica's version
>of #19 didn't last long, and that was the only time we saw her vase, nei?
I'll have to check, but I think we saw it when Monica was talking to
Ross in the beginning of 417.
>As for the bowl of pears in 611, that was when Monica was too thin with
>her hair pulled back being all loud & screechy - yet when CCA explained
>to the audience that it was one of those days, she was all warm & lovely,
>just like she is now & always used to be.
Yep.
>Finally, CCA saying she's doing her brother - that must be the missing
>tag to 613 - I'm assuming that Norway didn't get the tag, did you?
Nope. We got the same as you did.
>The last thing we saw in Britain was Chandler also in his dressing gown,
>and Rachel telling him & Monica about Ross & Jill, then the episode ends
>with dancing in the fountain for the credits.
Yep. That's the version I have.
~Marita
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mari...@online.no
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
>> How about on keyboards?
How about electric guitar, in the style of Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner?
>>>> Omforladelss?
>>> RPGOL! The Turkish dictionary again? ;)
>> Affedersiniz?
> LOL! :)
You just never know when Turkish will come in handy in Trondheim...
>>> Anyway, Sweden is widely known for their red houses. You can see
>>> thousands of them in rural Sweden.
>> Red paint or red bricks?
> Paint. We have lots of forests and timber, so you don't see as many
> houses of bricks in Scandinavia as you do in Britain. :)
That's what I expected - so, why not other colours, then?
>>>>>> American phones tend to be bigger though, less neat.
>>>>> Yeah, and many of them are collapsible, like the ones Rachel
>>>>> and Ross own.
>>>> I know! Haven't they heard of sensitive microphones?
>>> It doesn't seem that way. I went to a cell-phone store in the States,
>>> and I was quite surprised to see the size of the phones.
>> It's amazing, isn't it? The poor people think that they're ahead...
> Well, we have to be ahead of them in *something*
> (No offence to the Americans.)
We see to be ahead in most things - apart from polluting the air.
>>>>>>> The writers must have had a blast coming up with this story. :)
>>>>>> The fictional DOOL writers or the real Friends writers?
>>>>> The Friends writers. :)
>>>> Well I suppose - but wasn't it slightly anti-writer?
>>> Probably.
>> So how come? 218 "TOW Dr.Ramoray Dies" was very pro-writer.
> What I meant was that I think the Friends-writers must have had a
> great time coming up with a story that was crazy enough to resurrect
> the supposedly dead Dr. Ramoray.
> I don't think they had anything against the DOOL writers.
Oh, okay. I was just thinking of some new sitcom-soap rivalry.
> Busy checking out the "dress" (hah!) Jennifer Lopez wore, are we?
Eh, not a patch on Winona Ryder. Sigh...
>>> Considering that she couldn't put on her mascara properly, I don't
>>> think she was that good with the cuffs.
>> It's not easy putting on mascara, when your feet are chained to the bed.
> It doesn't limit your hands.
> There could be a mirror next to the bed, too.
More likely on the ceiling...
>>> Didn't you get enough of scantily clad girls at the Oscars? ;)
>>> j/k
>> Hmmmmmmm..... scantily clad girlssssssssssssssssssss.......
> Grin.
> I didn't care about them.. Ben Affleck, however, was there presenting
> "Traffic"... :)
How lovely for you. :)
>>>>> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
>>>>> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>>>> What's the Phoebe connection?
>>> She had a thing for James Bond in 215. :)
>> Ah yes, so that's Ross dressing up as top spy James Bond for Phoebe.
> Oh, perhaps that's why she was so riveted by his performance in the
> tag in 620?
But of course, when Ross jumped up from behind the counter armed with a
plastic gun, he *was* Bond. Phoebe was so turned on...
>>>> Why the X-Files?
>>> Scully and Mulder went to Northern Norway in episode 2.19 "Dod Kalm".
>> Lol, YOC the spoof of "Dead Calm", but shouldn't that be "Død Kålm"?
> It should be "Død Stillhet". :)
Lol
>>> I remember my friends and I laughing our asses off when the actors
>>> started swearing... in Norwegian.
>> What did they say?
> "Helvete" (=hell, but I think it's worse than when you say "hell" in
> English.) The thing is that they used Russian and American accents when
> they said it, so it sounded *very* weird indeed.
Oh, just the one word?
>>> There was also a guy called Henry Trondheim(!), who we thought was
>>> hilarious.
>> OMG, that's *very* close to home, the nearest I've got is Shropshire.
> Yep, we thought it was great fun. :)
Hey, how about this classic moment from 316 "TOT Morning After"?
RACHEL: That is neither here nor there.
ROSS: Okay, well here we are. Now we're in a tough spot again, Rach. What
do you want to do? How do you want to handle it? Huh? Do you wanna
fight for us? Or, do you wanna bail? Look, I did a terrible, stupid,
stupid thing. Okay? And I'm sorry, I wish I could take it back, but
I can't. I just can't see us throwing away something we know is so
damn good. Rachel, I love you so much.
RACHEL: No Ross!! Don't! You can't just kiss me and think you're gonna
make it all go away, okay? It doesn't work that way.
>>> Yeah, but I want to make Ross look good. :)
>> No need, he's a nice guy, I'd be proud to have him as my brother-in-law.
> Brother-in-law, huh? I'm willing to bet my computer that that "title"
> wasn't a mere coincidence. ;)
Well of course it would involve being married to Monica...
>>>>>> There is a way to divide a cheesecake into three, but it's a bit
>>>>>> more elaborate than dividing into two, though based on the same
>>>>>> principles of each recipient trying to maximise their share. Are
>>>>>> you interested?
>>>>> What do you mean?
>>>> To fairly divide into two, one person cuts & the other chooses.
>>>> I know how to do this for three.
>>> How?
> <snip a cake-cutting routine that would make chef Monica jealous>
Lol, she sure would!
> *laughs* Now I know what I'm going to do next time I fight over a cake
> with my friends.
Please do, and let me know how you get on. The complicated first section
only applies if the cake is cut badly, usually one of the two simple
sections applies, and of course they're very similar to each other.
>> I still have my doubts about Joey's childhood, but I do accept the
>> different ways they relate to their friends.
> What do you think about Joey's childhood?
Oh, you must have seen my theory that Joey had an unhappy childhood,
but I've been knocked down in flames for it... :(
> He doesn't strike me as a person who was unpopular at school. He's such
> a typical "guy-guy" that he was probably the King at all the parties
> when he attended high-school.
That was when he was older, and over-compensating.
>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn,
>>> MLB with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA
>>> "doing her brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>> Right, LK sitting in front of a weird face in 417 is where she's excited
>> about the Relaxicab idea but Rachel is stealing her thunder - and Monica
>> is curled tight in Chandler's arms as they cuddle up in her easy chair,
>> seven episodes before they got together...
> I know! It's cute, isn't it?
Yep, and now we've seen Rachel & Joey doin the same thing...
>> Anyway, no wonder I didn't recognise the setting since Monica's version
>> of #19 didn't last long, and that was the only time we saw her vase, nei?
> I'll have to check, but I think we saw it when Monica was talking to
> Ross in the beginning of 417.
Oh yes?
>> As for the bowl of pears in 611, that was when Monica was too thin with
>> her hair pulled back being all loud & screechy - yet when CCA explained
>> to the audience that it was one of those days, she was all warm &
>> lovely, just like she is now & always used to be.
> Yep.
Yep.
>> Finally, CCA saying she's doing her brother - that must be the missing
>> tag to 613 - I'm assuming that Norway didn't get the tag, did you?
> Nope. We got the same as you did.
Ah. Never mind.
>> The last thing we saw in Britain was Chandler also in his dressing gown,
>> and Rachel telling him & Monica about Ross & Jill, then the episode ends
>> with dancing in the fountain for the credits.
> Yep. That's the version I have.
Oh well. :(
Mouse
How about when she says that she is going to come out and eat cookies
over the sink, but instead tries to lock Monica out of her room in TOW
Ross Dates a Student? Or when she proposes that she, Eddie and Chandler
have some beers and get to know each other, but as soon as they agree,
she tells them that she is running off to her "Green Eggs and Ham"
discussion group in TOW Dr. Remoray Dies? Or when she promises
not to tell Rachel that Ross is still married to her, but she does anyway
just to torment Ross (and teach him a lesson)? How about when she
pretends to be helping Monica with her party, but is secretly sneaking
guests off to another party in TOW Two Parties?
If she "knows" what she is doing is the right thing, she has no compunctions
about lying.
> >> Unusual behaviour in unusual circumstances.
>
> > Could be...it just seemed that their behaviour was a bit too unusual.
> > Did they act the same way around Jean-Claude Van Damme in TOW After The
> > SuperBowl?
>
> Monica was too overcome to dare talk to him (since he'd totally changed
> time), then she & Rachel *fought* over him - twice. When Monica finally
> spoke to him she kept asking if he could beat up any guy that they saw.
Hmmm....well, they seemed pretty calm around Isabella Rosselini.
>
> >> The girls all like to talk to him, and he roots out secrets on his own.
>
> > I think that Chandler and Ross both told him about their secret hatreds.
> > How else would he find out? Did he see Ross kick a bowl of ice cream?
>
> Maybe Joey figured it out after he told him to grab a spoon, but Ross
> failed to sample Rocky Road, Cookie Dough, and Cherry Vanilla for a
> whole year,
Well, he kept trying to sample one type of ice cream, but it was either
being
sampled by somebody else or had sworn off being sampled.
> and even then she was the wrong flavour.
That is cold.
If he is supposed to be sampling ice creams, there is no wrong flavour.
And, he seemed to enjoy her company.
> >> Yes, but none of these examples required "turning up".
>
> >> One could argue that the girls have made a habit of turning up for
> >> Ross's lectures, but not in a way that he'd appreciate. <g>
>
> > Sure...Joey and Phoebe had to turn up at the charity auction. Joey had
> > to turn up at Monica's work and perform so she could fire him. If you
> > want other kinds of turning up, Monica, Chandler and Joey went with
> > Phoebe in the cab to support her while she went looking for her father.
> > Phoebe, Rachel and Monica took the day to help Chandler get over Kathy.
> > There are lots of times when the Friends have supported each other in
> > all sorts of ways.
>
> Those are all examples of accompanying, not turning up. :)
Umm...okay. I think that is a bit of a fine line. Maybe all those times they
went to see Joey at plays, they came with him so they didn't "turn up"
either. We are discussing whether or not it would be in character for
the friends not to "turn up" at the coffee house to listen to them play
the bagpipes (a scene which was apparently intended to be in the show).
Perhaps I should just say that it would be out of character if they hadn't
accompanied them down to the coffee shop to watch them play.
Besides, you used as a counter-example that most of the friends did
not show up at Ross's house warming party. If we are going to use
party's as an example of turning up, the friends turn up at parties all
the time. Ross's one party is the sole exception (and they did attend
other parties for him).
> >> The whole point of Ross's party was to compete with the party he was
> >> boycotting. What Ross needed was Chandler in the hallway grabbing all
> >> the pretty girls, and Monica at #3A organising the party games.
>
> > Chandler and Monica were going through their own problems. At that
> > point, there is no way that Chandler would be in the mood to be in the
> > hallway grabbing all the pretty girls and if he was, Monica would
> > probably not be in the mood to organise the party games. I don't expect
> > Ross could have expected much levity from either of those two on the day
> > of his party.
>
> Yes okay, so Chandler could have gone to #3A to bring the mood down, and
I'm not so sure that would have worked. Ross himself didn't have very
much luck dragging down the mood of the party in 3A and he was in
a pretty depressed/moody mood.
> Monica to #3A to cook party treats & let the smell waft across the hall.
3B? That might have worked (though the cake they had in 3A was
apparently quite good).
Look, it was inconceivably rude for Ross to have held his boycott
party in opposition to Howard's Going Away Party. I can see his
logic for not wanting to donate to the present, but to actively try
to dissuade others from going to his party? People for whom the
guy had been providing a service to all of those years? His party
was doomed to fail from the get go and (IMO) rightly so. He should
have held it on another night and he might have met with more
success.
>
> >> Joey could simply have gone to Ross's party without her, and
> >> broken up with her later, (maybe she would have dumped him for that).
>
> > True...but he had just gained the resolve to break up with her and
> > struck while the iron was hot.
>
> So that was an example of Joey putting himself first, then.
We don't know if he was invited, and if he was, I don't blame him for
not wanting to attend that travesty. We should be complaining that his
friends didn't do more to try and convince him not to hold his party
when he did.
> >> Not the pretty girls, nor most of the other guests once Phoebe
organised
> >> an underground railroad - especially after Joey got the #3B volleyball
> >> tournament going, and Rachel put on a skit in her cheerleader outfit.
>
> > But would Ross be as open to a volleyball tournament in his apartment
> > (and would he want Rachel trolling for guys in his apartment?). He
> > doesn't even like fireball, so he's not one for the destructive games.
>
> Main thing was to have the best party, not a guestless party.
Main thing was to make his neighbours like him.
>
> >> Ah, but Monica wouldn't be playing cards with her friends, she'd be
> >> stuck at the wrong party trying to organise a Boggle tournament with
> >> Howard and Steve, until she became frustrated by their inability to
> >> push the caps back on the pens until they heard them click... So in the
> >> end Phoebe would take her to #3B where caught up in the merry throng
> >> and drunk but not too drunk she'd receive Chandler's proposal in a less
> >> responsible frame of mind...
>
> > And the next morning they would wake up and realize that they weren't
> > ready and discuss it separately with their friends over the breakfast
> > table and Phoebe would get drunk and they would find out that the guy
> > Rachel managed to land the previous night with her cheerleading outfit
> > was Ross and then Chandler and Monica would throw a volleyball up in the
> > air and if it didn't land on the flan they would decide to wait to get
> > married.
>
> There you go then, a much better episode!
I can hear the complaints on this newsgroup now! ;-)
> >> Well, we can dream, eh Laura?
>
> > Yes, but would you want to follow the same story lines or would you
> > hope the stories would have gone in a different direction (and would
> > we have missed out on her excellent turn as the soap diva)?
>
> She would have been a success, so we would have had the original story
> lines as the writers planned, and we would never have known about the
> lost soap diva story - but maybe Geena Davis could have played her.
Geena isn't as old as Susan is, is she? Also, she is still on her own
sitcom,
isn't she? In any event, she probably would have done a good job (though
I'm not sure I would want an even younger actress being portrayed as
being too old for TV).
laura
Tennant Stuart
<laura...@telus.net> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.dd2f694a63...@argonet.co.uk...
Getting Monica to leave so she could have some privacy, or setting up
Eddie & Chandler to get to know each other, or helping people escape
from a boring party (while faithfully carrying out the real plan which
was to keep Leonard & Sandra apart) are not examples of Phoebe making a
contract to carry out some activity which she then reneged upon.
I haven't commented on the Ross/Rachel one since you didn't supply a
reference, and there's an awful lot about their ups & downs, but I
suspect that doesn't count either.
> If she "knows" what she is doing is the right thing, she has no
> compunctions about lying.
I'm not disagreeing with that, but your thesis is that she might betray
Monica at the wedding despite having discussed all the music with her in
advance, and then choosing a piece which they were both happy with.
>>>> Unusual behaviour in unusual circumstances.
>>> Could be...it just seemed that their behaviour was a bit too unusual.
>>> Did they act the same way around Jean-Claude Van Damme in TOW After
>>> The SuperBowl?
>> Monica was too overcome to dare talk to him (since he'd totally changed
>> time), then she & Rachel *fought* over him - twice. When Monica finally
>> spoke to him she kept asking if he could beat up any guy that they saw.
> Hmmm....well, they seemed pretty calm around Isabella Rosselini.
They were obviously not Isabella Rosselini fans, then. :)
>>>> The girls all like to talk to him, and he roots out secrets on his
>>>> own.
>>> I think that Chandler and Ross both told him about their secret
>>> hatreds. How else would he find out? Did he see Ross kick a bowl of
>>> ice cream?
>> Maybe Joey figured it out after he told him to grab a spoon, but Ross
>> failed to sample Rocky Road, Cookie Dough, and Cherry Vanilla for a
>> whole year,
> Well, he kept trying to sample one type of ice cream, but it was either
> being sampled by somebody else or had sworn off being sampled.
I'm not going to start debating R&R with you, else we'll be here forever,
it was just a suggestion of how Joey suspected Ross disliked ice cream.
>> and even then she was the wrong flavour.
> That is cold.
Was that a joke?
> If he is supposed to be sampling ice creams, there is no wrong flavour.
> And, he seemed to enjoy her company.
Whatever, I'm not biting.
>>>> Yes, but none of these examples required "turning up".
>>>> One could argue that the girls have made a habit of turning up for
>>>> Ross's lectures, but not in a way that he'd appreciate. <g>
>>> Sure...Joey and Phoebe had to turn up at the charity auction. Joey had
>>> to turn up at Monica's work and perform so she could fire him. If you
>>> want other kinds of turning up, Monica, Chandler and Joey went with
>>> Phoebe in the cab to support her while she went looking for her
>>> father. Phoebe, Rachel and Monica took the day to help Chandler get
>>> over Kathy. There are lots of times when the Friends have supported
>>> each other in all sorts of ways.
>> Those are all examples of accompanying, not turning up. :)
> Umm...okay. I think that is a bit of a fine line. Maybe all those times
> they went to see Joey at plays, they came with him so they didn't "turn
> up" either. We are discussing whether or not it would be in character
> for the friends not to "turn up" at the coffee house to listen to them
> play the bagpipes (a scene which was apparently intended to be in the
> show). Perhaps I should just say that it would be out of character if
> they hadn't accompanied them down to the coffee shop to watch them play.
Okay. :)
> Besides, you used as a counter-example that most of the friends did
> not show up at Ross's house warming party. If we are going to use
> party's as an example of turning up, the friends turn up at parties all
> the time. Ross's one party is the sole exception (and they did attend
> other parties for him).
Well, of all the other parties hosted by the six, these were at #20...
110 "TOW the Monkey"
117 "TOW Two Parts (part 2)"
209 "TOW Phoebe's Dad"
222 "TOW Two Parties"
416 "TOW the Fake Party"
422 "TOW the Worst Best Man Ever"
511 "TOW All the Resolutions"
518 "TOW Rachel Smokes"
714 "TOW They All Turn Thirty"
..and these were at #19...
222 "TOW Two Parties"
311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister"
422 "TOW the Worst Best Man Ever"
714 "TOW They All Turn Thirty"
..so Ross's party was the only one not at Bedford & Grove (where they
hang out all the time anyway) - and only Phoebe turned up. There have
been no parties at Phoebe's, and no more at Ross's either, unless you're
including stuff like the museum thing in 302 "TOW No-one's Ready"? That
was an example not of turning up, but accompanying, and even then the
poor guy had a *dreadful* time with Joey/Chandler/Monica/Rachel, while
who was there for him? "Phoebe you, oh, you are my star", said Ross.
>>>> The whole point of Ross's party was to compete with the party he was
>>>> boycotting. What Ross needed was Chandler in the hallway grabbing all
>>>> the pretty girls, and Monica at #3A organising the party games.
>>> Chandler and Monica were going through their own problems. At that
>>> point, there is no way that Chandler would be in the mood to be in the
>>> hallway grabbing all the pretty girls and if he was, Monica would
>>> probably not be in the mood to organise the party games. I don't
>>> expect Ross could have expected much levity from either of those two
>>> on the day of his party.
>> Yes okay, so Chandler could have gone to #3A to bring the mood down, and
> I'm not so sure that would have worked. Ross himself didn't have very
> much luck dragging down the mood of the party in 3A and he was in
> a pretty depressed/moody mood.
Ah but Ross was the big villain, Chandler would have more chance, and even
if it didn't work, that's not the point, he would be turning up to support
his friend, which is what I'm talking about.
>> Monica to #3A to cook party treats & let the smell waft across the hall.
> 3B?
Yes sorry, that was a silly & confusing typo, it should of course be 3B.
> That might have worked
Thanks.
> (though the cake they had in 3A was apparently quite good).
Not a patch on Monica at her temptatious best! :)
> Look, it was inconceivably rude for Ross to have held his boycott
> party in opposition to Howard's Going Away Party. I can see his
> logic for not wanting to donate to the present, but to actively try
> to dissuade others from going to his party? People for whom the
> guy had been providing a service to all of those years? His party
> was doomed to fail from the get go and (IMO) rightly so. He should
> have held it on another night and he might have met with more
> success.
Whatever, that isn't the point. The point is that Phoebe supported
him, right or wrong, while the other four did not.
>>>> Joey could simply have gone to Ross's party without her, and
>>>> broken up with her later, (maybe she would have dumped him for that).
>>> True...but he had just gained the resolve to break up with her and
>>> struck while the iron was hot.
>> So that was an example of Joey putting himself first, then.
> We don't know if he was invited, and if he was, I don't blame him for
> not wanting to attend that travesty. We should be complaining that his
> friends didn't do more to try and convince him not to hold his party
> when he did.
Maybe they should have done, but you're drifting away from the point.
>>>> Not the pretty girls, nor most of the other guests once Phoebe
>>>> organised an underground railroad - especially after Joey got the #3B
>>>> volleyball tournament going, and Rachel put on a skit in her
>>>> cheerleader outfit.
>>> But would Ross be as open to a volleyball tournament in his apartment
>>> (and would he want Rachel trolling for guys in his apartment?). He
>>> doesn't even like fireball, so he's not one for the destructive games.
>> Main thing was to have the best party, not a guestless party.
> Main thing was to make his neighbours like him.
Yes you're right, having the best party was merely a sub-goal. Whatever,
as I keep saying, this is about Ross's sister & friends (except for his
faithful Phoebe) failing to turn up for his party, just as they did for
the guitar & bagpipes recital (which by the way never happened, I cannot
believe we're spending so much time discussing a scene that was deleted).
>>>> Ah, but Monica wouldn't be playing cards with her friends, she'd be
>>>> stuck at the wrong party trying to organise a Boggle tournament with
>>>> Howard and Steve, until she became frustrated by their inability to
>>>> push the caps back on the pens until they heard them click... So in
>>>> the end Phoebe would take her to #3B where caught up in the merry
>>>> throng and drunk but not too drunk she'd receive Chandler's proposal
>>>> in a less responsible frame of mind...
>>> And the next morning they would wake up and realize that they weren't
>>> ready and discuss it separately with their friends over the breakfast
>>> table and Phoebe would get drunk and they would find out that the guy
>>> Rachel managed to land the previous night with her cheerleading outfit
>>> was Ross and then Chandler and Monica would throw a volleyball up in
>>> the air and if it didn't land on the flan they would decide to wait to
>>> get married.
>> There you go then, a much better episode!
> I can hear the complaints on this newsgroup now! ;-)
Lol
>>>> Well, we can dream, eh Laura?
>>> Yes, but would you want to follow the same story lines or would you
>>> hope the stories would have gone in a different direction (and would
>>> we have missed out on her excellent turn as the soap diva)?
>> She would have been a success, so we would have had the original story
>> lines as the writers planned, and we would never have known about the
>> lost soap diva story - but maybe Geena Davis could have played her.
> Geena isn't as old as Susan is, is she?
Geena is ten years younger than Susan, but at 44 she's still old in
Hollywood terms (which of course I totally disagree with).
> Also, she is still on her own sitcom, isn't she?
AFAIK neither actress has her own sitcom, unless it's brand new.
> In any event, she probably would have done a good job (though I'm not
> sure I would want an even younger actress being portrayed as being too
> old for TV).
I quite agree (I had Elizabeth Montgomery on my unlaminated freebie
list until I was informed she was dead) but that is the sad truth of
how the industry is controlled, and I wonder if that is why Monica
and Rachel have suddenly become two years younger. But at least it
is not so bad as the women having to be too skinny to get work.
Marita Bakken
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
That might work. :)
>>>>> Omforladelss?
>
>>>> RPGOL! The Turkish dictionary again? ;)
>
>>> Affedersiniz?
>
>> LOL! :)
>
>You just never know when Turkish will come in handy in Trondheim...
True. :)
>>>> Anyway, Sweden is widely known for their red houses. You can see
>>>> thousands of them in rural Sweden.
>
>>> Red paint or red bricks?
>
>> Paint. We have lots of forests and timber, so you don't see as many
>> houses of bricks in Scandinavia as you do in Britain. :)
>
>That's what I expected - so, why not other colours, then?
I don't know, really. Perhaps because of the weather conditions?
>> Busy checking out the "dress" (hah!) Jennifer Lopez wore, are we?
>
>Eh, not a patch on Winona Ryder. Sigh...
What? She looked like she had just got out of bed IMO.
>>>> Considering that she couldn't put on her mascara properly, I don't
>>>> think she was that good with the cuffs.
>
>>> It's not easy putting on mascara, when your feet are chained to the bed.
>
>> It doesn't limit your hands.
>> There could be a mirror next to the bed, too.
>
>More likely on the ceiling...
Could be. :)
>>>> Didn't you get enough of scantily clad girls at the Oscars? ;)
>>>> j/k
>
>>> Hmmmmmmm..... scantily clad girlssssssssssssssssssss.......
>
>> Grin.
>> I didn't care about them.. Ben Affleck, however, was there presenting
>> "Traffic"... :)
>
>How lovely for you. :)
Smil.
>>>>>> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
>>>>>> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>
>>>>> What's the Phoebe connection?
>
>>>> She had a thing for James Bond in 215. :)
>
>>> Ah yes, so that's Ross dressing up as top spy James Bond for Phoebe.
>
>> Oh, perhaps that's why she was so riveted by his performance in the
>> tag in 620?
>
>But of course, when Ross jumped up from behind the counter armed with a
>plastic gun, he *was* Bond. Phoebe was so turned on...
A nearly deaf Bond... Now that would be intriguing...
"Pardon? What did you say R?"
>>>> I remember my friends and I laughing our asses off when the actors
>>>> started swearing... in Norwegian.
>
>>> What did they say?
>
>> "Helvete" (=hell, but I think it's worse than when you say "hell" in
>> English.) The thing is that they used Russian and American accents when
>> they said it, so it sounded *very* weird indeed.
>
>Oh, just the one word?
I'm afraid I can't remember anything else. It's been a long time since
I saw that episode. :)
>>>> There was also a guy called Henry Trondheim(!), who we thought was
>>>> hilarious.
>
>>> OMG, that's *very* close to home, the nearest I've got is Shropshire.
>
>> Yep, we thought it was great fun. :)
>
>Hey, how about this classic moment from 316 "TOT Morning After"?
>
>RACHEL: That is neither here nor there.
>ROSS: Okay, well here we are. Now we're in a tough spot again, Rach. What
> do you want to do? How do you want to handle it? Huh? Do you wanna
> fight for us? Or, do you wanna bail? Look, I did a terrible, stupid,
> stupid thing. Okay? And I'm sorry, I wish I could take it back, but
> I can't. I just can't see us throwing away something we know is so
> damn good. Rachel, I love you so much.
>RACHEL: No Ross!! Don't! You can't just kiss me and think you're gonna
> make it all go away, okay? It doesn't work that way.
Hehe. But does this count as a "banana"? ;)
>>>> Yeah, but I want to make Ross look good. :)
>
>>> No need, he's a nice guy, I'd be proud to have him as my brother-in-law.
>
>> Brother-in-law, huh? I'm willing to bet my computer that that "title"
>> wasn't a mere coincidence. ;)
>
>Well of course it would involve being married to Monica...
I figured as much. :)
>> *laughs* Now I know what I'm going to do next time I fight over a cake
>> with my friends.
>
>Please do, and let me know how you get on. The complicated first section
>only applies if the cake is cut badly, usually one of the two simple
>sections applies, and of course they're very similar to each other.
Hehe. IC.
>>> I still have my doubts about Joey's childhood, but I do accept the
>>> different ways they relate to their friends.
>
>> What do you think about Joey's childhood?
>
>Oh, you must have seen my theory that Joey had an unhappy childhood,
>but I've been knocked down in flames for it... :(
I can't remember reading it. When did you post it?
>> He doesn't strike me as a person who was unpopular at school. He's such
>> a typical "guy-guy" that he was probably the King at all the parties
>> when he attended high-school.
>
>That was when he was older, and over-compensating.
Hmmm..
>>>> LK is sitting in front of Monica's vase in 417 TOW The Free Porn,
>>>> MLB with the pears is from 611 TOW The Apothecary Table, CCA
>>>> "doing her brother" is from 613 TOW Rachel's Sister.
>
>>> Right, LK sitting in front of a weird face in 417 is where she's excited
>>> about the Relaxicab idea but Rachel is stealing her thunder - and Monica
>>> is curled tight in Chandler's arms as they cuddle up in her easy chair,
>>> seven episodes before they got together...
>
>> I know! It's cute, isn't it?
>
>Yep, and now we've seen Rachel & Joey doin the same thing...
We've seen more than that. AFAICR Monica never gave Chandler a hug
like the one Rachel gave Joey in 707.
>>> Anyway, no wonder I didn't recognise the setting since Monica's version
>>> of #19 didn't last long, and that was the only time we saw her vase, nei?
>
>> I'll have to check, but I think we saw it when Monica was talking to
>> Ross in the beginning of 417.
>
>Oh yes?
I'll have to check the episodes where Monica and Rachel lived in #19,
so I'll get back to you on that, okay? :)
~Marita
-------------------------------
mari...@online.no
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
>>>>> Anyway, Sweden is widely known for their red houses. You can see
>>>>> thousands of them in rural Sweden.
>>>> Red paint or red bricks?
>>> Paint. We have lots of forests and timber, so you don't see as many
>>> houses of bricks in Scandinavia as you do in Britain. :)
>> That's what I expected - so, why not other colours, then?
> I don't know, really. Perhaps because of the weather conditions?
You mean red shows up in the snowy forests against a blue sky?
>>> Busy checking out the "dress" (hah!) Jennifer Lopez wore, are we?
>> Eh, not a patch on Winona Ryder. Sigh...
> What? She looked like she had just got out of bed IMO.
Yeah........
>>>>>>> Oh, new thing for the TWWWS list:
>>>>>>> Ross and Phoebe reading James Bond novels
>>>>>> What's the Phoebe connection?
>>>>> She had a thing for James Bond in 215. :)
>>>> Ah yes, so that's Ross dressing up as top spy James Bond for Phoebe.
>>> Oh, perhaps that's why she was so riveted by his performance in the
>>> tag in 620?
>> But of course, when Ross jumped up from behind the counter armed with a
>> plastic gun, he *was* Bond. Phoebe was so turned on...
> A nearly deaf Bond... Now that would be intriguing...
> "Pardon? What did you say R?"
We're still on Q aren't we?
Anyway, with Bond temporarily deafened, she would become Vunda until
he recovered all his senses, then swept her off her feet...
>>>>> I remember my friends and I laughing our asses off when the actors
>>>>> started swearing... in Norwegian.
>>>> What did they say?
>>> "Helvete" (=hell, but I think it's worse than when you say "hell" in
>>> English.) The thing is that they used Russian and American accents when
>>> they said it, so it sounded *very* weird indeed.
>> Oh, just the one word?
> I'm afraid I can't remember anything else. It's been a long time since
> I saw that episode. :)
Too busy lusting after Mulder?
>> Hey, how about this classic moment from 316 "TOT Morning After"?
>> RACHEL: That is neither here nor there.
>> ROSS: Okay, well here we are. Now we're in a tough spot again, Rach.
>> What do you want to do? How do you want to handle it? Huh? Do
>> you wanna fight for us? Or, do you wanna bail? Look, I did a
>> terrible, stupid, stupid thing. And I'm sorry, I wish I could
>> take it back, but I can't. I just can't see us throwing away
>> something we know is so damn good. Rachel, I love you so much.
>> RACHEL: No Ross!! Don't! You can't just kiss me and think you're
>> gonna make it all go away, okay? It doesn't work that way.
> Hehe. But does this count as a "banana"? ;)
Well, there is a banana here...
ROSS: I may have something in the back. Oh my God.
JUDY: Is everything alright, dear?
ROSS: Yeah, just... just Nana stuff.
>>>>> Yeah, but I want to make Ross look good. :)
>>>> No need, he's a nice guy, I'd be proud to have him as my
>>>> brother-in-law.
>>> Brother-in-law, huh? I'm willing to bet my computer that that "title"
>>> wasn't a mere coincidence. ;)
>> Well of course it would involve being married to Monica...
> I figured as much. :)
Well, you know, anything to make Ross happy... ;)
>>>> I still have my doubts about Joey's childhood, but I do accept the
>>>> different ways they relate to their friends.
>>> What do you think about Joey's childhood?
>> Oh, you must have seen my theory that Joey had an unhappy childhood,
>> but I've been knocked down in flames for it... :(
> I can't remember reading it. When did you post it?
April 23rd on ATF, and several months later on Angel's Friends.
>>> He doesn't strike me as a person who was unpopular at school. He's such
>>> a typical "guy-guy" that he was probably the King at all the parties
>>> when he attended high-school.
>> That was when he was older, and over-compensating.
> Hmmm..
Yep.
>>>> Monica is curled tight in Chandler's arms as they cuddle up in her
>>>> easy chair, seven episodes before they got together...
>>> I know! It's cute, isn't it?
>> Yep, and now we've seen Rachel & Joey doing the same thing...
> We've seen more than that. AFAICR Monica never gave Chandler a hug
> like the one Rachel gave Joey in 707.
Does a betowelled Monica in 306 "TOW the Flashback" come close?
>>>> Anyway, no wonder I didn't recognise the setting since Monica's
>>>> version of #19 didn't last long, and that was the only time we saw
>>>> her vase, nei?
>>> I'll have to check, but I think we saw it when Monica was talking to
>>> Ross in the beginning of 417.
>> Oh yes?
> I'll have to check the episodes where Monica and Rachel lived in #19,
> so I'll get back to you on that, okay? :)
Okay, sweetie! :)
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:19:00 BST, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> No, someone said to me that the colour was not as "fragile" as other
> colours, but I dunno.
Red is not as fragile???
To paraphrase Ross, does that mean the same in Norway as it does here?
>>>>> Busy checking out the "dress" (hah!) Jennifer Lopez wore, are we?
>>>> Eh, not a patch on Winona Ryder. Sigh...
>>> What? She looked like she had just got out of bed IMO.
>> Yeah........
> I knew that would be a good thing for a guy. ;)
One of the best things about guys is that we are so predictable... ;)
>>>> But of course, when Ross jumped up from behind the counter armed
>>>> with a plastic gun, he *was* Bond. Phoebe was so turned on...
>>> A nearly deaf Bond... Now that would be intriguing...
>>> "Pardon? What did you say R?"
>> We're still on Q aren't we?
> No, sorry. Desmond Llewelyn died in December 1999, so from now on
> MI6's technical genius will be R, played by John Cleese. :)
Oh, of course, silly me. Thanks :)
>> Anyway, with Bond temporarily deafened, she would become Vunda until
>> he recovered all his senses, then swept her off her feet...
> LOL!
Grin.
>>> I'm afraid I can't remember anything else. It's been a long time since
>>> I saw that episode. :)
>> Too busy lusting after Mulder?
> <g> No.
Awww. What do you think of Robert Patrick? If you haven't seen any of
the new season yet, he was also the villain in Terminator 2.
>>> Hehe. But does this count as a "banana"? ;)
>> Well, there is a banana here...
>> ROSS: I may have something in the back. Oh my God.
>> JUDY: Is everything alright, dear?
>> ROSS: Yeah, just... just Nana stuff.
> Pardon?
There is a "ba" in "back".
>>>> Well of course it would involve being married to Monica...
>>> I figured as much. :)
>> Well, you know, anything to make Ross happy... ;)
> Right... ;)
> I bet you wouldn't say no to the fringe benefits, though.
Oh sure, but she'd have to eat a bit more, though...
>>>> Oh, you must have seen my theory that Joey had an unhappy childhood,
>>>> but I've been knocked down in flames for it... :(
>>> I can't remember reading it. When did you post it?
>> April 23rd on ATF, and several months later on Angel's Friends.
> I don't dare to go to Angel's Friends in fear of spoilers, but where
> is it on that mb?
It will be long gone by now. Don't worry, here's what I posted, it was
purely some dialogue from the show, but a lot of people have objected to
all this, insisting it means nothing. Anyway, here it is so you can judge
for yourself. The quotes mean little individually, you must consider them
as a whole; and for any little clues you must read between the lines...
113 "TOW the Boobies"
GLORIA: I came to give you this bag of groceries and this. (She whacks
her son round the ear.)
JOEY: Oww! Big ring!
GLORIA: Do you remember how your father used to be? Always yelling,
always yelling, nothing made him happy, nothing made him happy.
MONICA: So you talked to your dad, huh?
JOEY: Yeah. He's gonna keep cheating on my Ma like she wanted, she's
gonna keep pretending she doesn't know even though she does, and
my little sister Tina can't see her husband any more because he
got a restraining order.
124 "TOW Rachel Finds Out"
RACHEL: This one's from Joey... feels like a book. Think it's a book...
feels like a book. And... it's a book!
PHOEBE: Oh, it's Dr. Seuss!
JOEY: (With gravitas) That book got me through some tough times.
201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend"
CHANDLER: (Distressed) Can I talk to you for a sec? Your tailor is
a very bad man! He took advantage of me.
JOEY: No way. My family's been goin' to him forever. He did my first
suit when I was 15.
CHANDLER: He said he was going to do my inseam, and he ran his hand
up my leg, and then, there was definite cupping.
JOEY: That's how they do pants! First they go up one side, they move
it over, they go up the other side, they move it back, and then
they do the rear. Ross, would you tell him? Isn't that how they
measure pants?
ROSS: Yes, yes it is. In prison! Whatsa matter with you?
303 "TOW the Jam"
JOEY: Remember when you where a kid and your Mom would drop you off
at the movies with a jar of jam & a little spoon?
RACHEL: (Failing to understand) You're so pretty.
304 "TOW the Metaphorical Tunnel"
PHOEBE: They said that they never met an Italian actor with a worse
Italian accent.
JOEY: They actually said that?
311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister"
COOKIE: No kiddin, that's the exact same drink I made myself right
after I shot my husband.
PHOEBE: Wow. Okay, I don't know how to talk to you.
311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister"
CHANDLER: Joey, what-wh-wha-wh-wha-wh-wha-what are you doing here?
JOEY: Waiting for my Grandma to finish my laundry. What about you?
CHANDLER: I'm here to see Mary-Angela.
JOEY: Now listen, you got to be cool, 'cause my Grandma doesn't
know about you two yet, and you do not want to tick her off.
She was the sixth person to spit on Mussolini's hanging body.
408 "TOW Chandler in a Box"
KATHY: Oh my God, is it really that bad?
CHANDLER: He won't even talk to me, he just mumbles something in
Italian. And I know he only knows the bad words.
519 "TOW Ross Can't Flirt"
JOEY: Hey everybody, look who's here! You remember my grandmother!
CHANDLER: So, Joey on "Law & Order", you must be very proud!
JOEY: Chandler, she doesn't understand a word of English.
CHANDLER: I'm sorry, I thought you were Joey's other grandmother.
JOEY: She's my biggest fan. Yeah, she's the only one in the family
that's believed in me.
(Grandma Tribbiani says something in Italian about Joey being fat.)
JOEY: Yeah, I uh weighed like 27 pounds when I was born so-
>>>>>> Monica is curled tight in Chandler's arms as they cuddle up in her
>>>>>> easy chair, seven episodes before they got together...
>>>>> I know! It's cute, isn't it?
>>>> Yep, and now we've seen Rachel & Joey doing the same thing...
>>> We've seen more than that. AFAICR Monica never gave Chandler a hug
>>> like the one Rachel gave Joey in 707.
>> Does a betowelled Monica in 306 "TOW the Flashback" come close?
> Yeah...
:)
> But I think Rachel and Joey's hug was very special indeed. She
> initiated it and was all "mother-like" when she did it. :)
Yes, I think that you are right. It was very special indeed.
>>>>>> Anyway, no wonder I didn't recognise the setting since Monica's
>>>>>> version of #19 didn't last long, and that was the only time we saw
>>>>>> her vase, nei?
>>>>> I'll have to check, but I think we saw it when Monica was talking to
>>>>> Ross in the beginning of 417.
>>>> Oh yes?
>>> I'll have to check the episodes where Monica and Rachel lived in #19,
>>> so I'll get back to you on that, okay? :)
>> Okay, sweetie! :)
> Well, we can see the vase several times, e.g. 413, 415 and 417.
Ah, so *only* in #19 - never in #20 then?
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:54:25 BST, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Red is not as fragile???
>> To paraphrase Ross, does that mean the same in Norway as it does here?
> Hmm... Terrible word to use in that sentence, I know. I just couldn't
> come up with a better one at the time. However, what I meant was that
> the houses in northern Sweden tend to get unsheltered, so they need a
> colour that lasts for a while, or.. Well, basically, the thing was
> that red was better suited to handle extreme weather conditions than
> other colours. But I don't know. I wish I had a Swede around who could
> give me a proper explanation, since it's a typical Swedish phenomenon.
> (We don't have it.)
Maybe it was originally a lead-based paint that just happened to be red,
but was very durable. Later on, red became just a tradition.
>>>>>>> Busy checking out the "dress" (hah!) Jennifer Lopez wore, are we?
>>>>>> Eh, not a patch on Winona Ryder. Sigh...
>>>>> What? She looked like she had just got out of bed IMO.
>>>> Yeah........
>>> I knew that would be a good thing for a guy. ;)
>> One of the best things about guys is that we are so predictable... ;)
> And we are mysteries? ;)
Wonderful mysteries. :)
>>>>> I'm afraid I can't remember anything else. It's been a long time
>>>>> since I saw that episode. :)
>>>> Too busy lusting after Mulder?
>>> <g> No.
>> Awww. What do you think of Robert Patrick? If you haven't seen any of
>> the new season yet, he was also the villain in Terminator 2.
> Yeah, I know. He also played one of the bad guys in The Faculty (awful
> movie... I'm glad I got to see it for free.)
> I think he's a bit creepy, but that is probably because of all the bad
> guys he has played.
He comes over as a very strong figure on the new X-Files, while Scully
is now, by comparison, the freaky-deaky one.
>>>>> Hehe. But does this count as a "banana"? ;)
>>>> Well, there is a banana here...
>>>> ROSS: I may have something in the back. Oh my God.
>>>> JUDY: Is everything alright, dear?
>>>> ROSS: Yeah, just... just Nana stuff.
>>> Pardon?
>> There is a "ba" in "back".
> Oh.. Grin.
Good.
For a while I feared you hadn't seen the "nor" & the "way" after all.
>>>>>> Well of course it would involve being married to Monica...
>>>>> I figured as much. :)
>>>> Well, you know, anything to make Ross happy... ;)
>>> Right... ;)
>>> I bet you wouldn't say no to the fringe benefits, though.
>> Oh sure, but she'd have to eat a bit more, though...
> Well, I guess you'd have to feed her, then! :)
Get her eating for two, is my plan...
>> here's what I posted, it was purely some dialogue from the show, but a
>> lot of people have objected to all this, insisting it means nothing.
>> Anyway, here it is so you can judge for yourself. The quotes mean
>> little individually, you must consider them as a whole; and for any
>> little clues you must read between the lines...
> Okay...
>> 113 "TOW the Boobies"
>> GLORIA: I came to give you this bag of groceries and this. (She whacks
>> her son round the ear.)
>> JOEY: Oww! Big ring!
>> GLORIA: Do you remember how your father used to be? Always yelling,
>> always yelling, nothing made him happy, nothing made him happy.
> Well, this is clearly a sign that Mr Trib wasn't a nice guy all the
> time.
Yes, and that Gloria habitually hits her children.
>> MONICA: So you talked to your dad, huh?
>> JOEY: Yeah. He's gonna keep cheating on my Ma like she wanted, she's
>> gonna keep pretending she doesn't know even though she does, and
>> my little sister Tina can't see her husband any more because he
>> got a restraining order.
> I don't think this has anything to do with Joey.
Of course not, but Tina marrying a brutal man is not a good sign.
>> 124 "TOW Rachel Finds Out"
>> RACHEL: This one's from Joey... feels like a book. Think it's a book...
>> feels like a book. And... it's a book!
>> PHOEBE: Oh, it's Dr.Seuss!
>> JOEY: (With gravitas) That book got me through some tough times.
> I've never read Dr Seuss, so I don't know what that is all about.
> However, I think everyone has a special book that was their favourite
> when they were kids. You could imagine you were as
> brave/wonderful/funny/strong as the protagonist, and suddenly you
> *knew* you could beat the bullies in kindergarten.
This was the 'clue' that first made me suspect that Joey had a rather
difficult childhood (which he never lets on about) such that I then
started noticing these other details. However, it turns out that the
book we saw in the show was not a children's book, it was one of those
that Dr.Seuss wrote for adults. If so, it does not blow my case out of
the water, but it would mean that 124 does not count. OTOH, it could
be that the props guys foolishly supplied the wrong Dr.Seuss book.
>> 201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend"
>> CHANDLER: (Distressed) Can I talk to you for a sec? Your tailor is
>> a very bad man! He took advantage of me.
>> JOEY: No way. My family's been goin' to him forever. He did my first
>> suit when I was 15.
>> CHANDLER: He said he was going to do my inseam, and he ran his hand
>> up my leg, and then, there was definite cupping.
>> JOEY: That's how they do pants! First they go up one side, they move
>> it over, they go up the other side, they move it back, and then
>> they do the rear. Ross, would you tell him? Isn't that how they
>> measure pants?
>> ROSS: Yes, yes it is. In prison! Whatsa matter with you?
> *laughs* The Tribbiani clan obviously has a weird interpretation of
> what tailors are supposed to do.
Or that Tribbiani boys are used to having men fondle their genitals.
>> 303 "TOW the Jam"
>> JOEY: Remember when you where a kid and your Mom would drop you off
>> at the movies with a jar of jam & a little spoon?
>> RACHEL: (Failing to understand) You're so pretty.
> Why does this have to be a bad memory?
I'm not sure it is a bad memory for Joey, but taken with everything
else it *suggests* that Gloria was a neglectful mother.
>> 304 "TOW the Metaphorical Tunnel"
>> PHOEBE: They said that they never met an Italian actor with a worse
>> Italian accent.
>> JOEY: They actually said that?
> Why do you connect this with his *relationship* with his family?
The implication here is that Joey subconsciously rejects the language of
his family. It could be that Italian was not spoken at home, but see 519.
>> 311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister"
>> COOKIE: No kiddin, that's the exact same drink I made myself right
>> after I shot my husband.
>> PHOEBE: Wow. Okay, I don't know how to talk to you.
> I don't think this is a proof that Cookie was mean to her brother,
> sorry.
That's okay, I wasn't suggesting that, the implication is that she too had
a brutalising childhood - presumably the siblings supported each other.
>> CHANDLER: Joey, what-wh-wha-wh-wha-wh-wha-what are you doing here?
>> JOEY: Waiting for my Grandma to finish my laundry. What about you?
>> CHANDLER: I'm here to see Mary-Angela.
>> JOEY: Now listen, you got to be cool, 'cause my Grandma doesn't
>> know about you two yet, and you do not want to tick her off.
>> She was the sixth person to spit on Mussolini's hanging body.
> His grandma was tough during the war, but lots of European
> grandmothers were tough in the 1930s and 1940s.
Agreed, but this is is about Joey's parents, who would have been kids
at the time, and it could be that they experienced atrocities which
most children at the time did not. Also there is the implication that
the eight Tribbiani siblings go to their grandmother for food & laundry,
not their parents. Again, meaningful only in context of all the quotes.
>> 408 "TOW Chandler in a Box"
>> KATHY: Oh my God, is it really that bad?
>> CHANDLER: He won't even talk to me, he just mumbles something in
>> Italian. And I know he only knows the bad words.
> Okay, so this tells us that his parents curse a lot, but..
..and another reference to Joey's seeming inability to speak Italian.
>> 519 "TOW Ross Can't Flirt"
>> JOEY: Hey everybody, look who's here! You remember my grandmother!
>> CHANDLER: So, Joey on "Law & Order", you must be very proud!
>> JOEY: Chandler, she doesn't understand a word of English.
>> CHANDLER: I'm sorry, I thought you were Joey's other grandmother.
>> JOEY: She's my biggest fan. Yeah, she's the only one in the family
>> that's believed in me.
>> (Grandma Tribbiani says something in Italian about Joey being fat.)
>> JOEY: Yeah, I uh weighed like 27 pounds when I was born so-
> Hmmm.. I think that sounded like a reason to love their only son even
> more. In a way he was half Monica and half Ross back then. He was
> chubby like Ms Geller, and the medical marvel that Ross claims that he
> was.
Yeah, but Gloria must have had a horrendous time giving birth to such
a large baby, and afterwards her husband might have been denied sex or
even found her vagina to be too stretched for him.
This also shows that the Tribbianis were an Italian-speaking family.
> As for his family never believing in him, I think that is a common
> phenomenon among actors. They clearly believe in him now (704), and
> they're proud of what he has accomplished. Sure, it might have been a
> bit difficult for him from time to time, but I'll have to disagree
> with your theory.
Even so, the lack of support fits in with everything else, it's only
meaningless when taken alone, out of the overall context.
> To me, it sounds like some sort of Italian mob-family. The women ("In
> Sicily, women are more dangerous than shotguns." - The Godfather) and
> the men are pretty tough, but they protect the family from enemies from
> the outside. (His sisters are perhaps defending themselves too eagerly.)
> I've always thought that Joey's sisters are very protective of him
> (we've never seen any signs of them disliking him), and they seemed to
> love him at his birthday party.
You misinterpreted me there, the suggestion is not that they abused Joey,
but that at least a few of them were also abused by their parents.
> His father seems to have issues with his wife, but I don't think this
> has anything to do with Joey. Watching his dad yell to everybody could
> be the reason why Joey gets worked up and calls everybody "bitch" from
> time to time, but to tell you the truth, I think his father's yelling
> affected Joey's sisters more than Joey. The seven girls obviously
> decided they didn't want to tolerate any bad behaviour from their
> husbands, but they took it a bit too far and used physical violence
> instead of verbal abuse.
Yes, I acknowledge that there are other interpretations for these
references individually, it's when they are considered as a whole
that a more disturbing picture emerges.
>>> Well, we can see the vase several times, e.g. 413, 415 and 417.
>> Ah, so *only* in #19 - never in #20 then?
> No, we've seen the vase dozens of times in #20, I was just thinking
> about the time when the girls lived in the boys' apartment. :)
Where does she normally keep it, then?
Tennant Stuart
C4 UK/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 715...
715 "TOW Joey's New Brain"
Monica asks Ross to do the reading at the wedding ceremony, but he has
something special in mind. That evening, Chandler & Monica are enjoying
a posh dinner for two when they hear a dying cat parade pass along Grove
Street - which turns out to be Ross practising on a set of bagpipes! To
Monica's horror, Chandler recalls that Ross knows he's half-Scottish...
Monica tells Ross straight that he can't play at the wedding, but he
insists that she's heard him practice, not play. When Ross auditions for
his friends, Chandler & Monica remain implacable, Rachel is amused, and
of course Phoebe is totally on his wavelength & enjoys the skirl of his
piping. Ross becomes enthused & invites everyone to sing along - which
Phoebe, her eyes agleam, does in equal voice like a second chanter!
---o0o---
Admiring a handsome man in the coffee shop, Rachel opines he is too cute
to be straight, but Phoebe notes how he stares at busty regular Knockers
when she sashays past. When the guy leaves his mobile phone behind, the
girls realise he'll call it to get it back, and while they argue Rachel
grabs it since Phoebe's too slow, and Phoebe knocks it out of her hand
because Rachel's too cocky!
Rachel cleverly persuades vegetarian Phoebe to let her have the phone
since his stored numbers include a steak house, and a posh store that
is on Rachel's speed dial too. However, Rachel later goes to Phoebe's
apartment to accuse her of stealing the phone from her. Phoebe denies
it, but Rachel dials the number, and Phoebe's purse starts to ring.
Phoebe hands the phone over, but when the owner calls she knocks it out
of Rachel's hand again, and arranges a date. Though Phoebe tries to use
her mom's suicide to gain sympathy, Rachel insists on being there when
the owner arrives, but he turns out to be the guy's old boss, so Phoebe
wonders how long she & Rachel were arguing for! To Rachel's suppressed
surprise, Phoebe reckons that he's even hotter than the young man, so
she begs to be allowed to have him - and Rachel graciously gives in.
---o0o---
Joey has good news - Drake Ramoray on DOOL is to come out of his coma,
since he is receiving a new brain! Monica & Rachel are delighted until
they hear the donor will be their favourite character Jessica Lockhart,
played by top soap actress Cecilia Munro. Rachel admires her for never
finishing a drink without throwing it in someone's face, while Monica
wishes that she could slap people around like Jessica does.
Miss Munro is a soap veteran who knows every trick in the book, so she
slaps Jessica's daughter Dina across the face for real, then in a hug
she moves the actress's head to her far shoulder so her face is still
seen by the camera. Joey is most impressed by her technique - but when
he reveals that she's being written out, she throws her drink in his
eyes and slaps him across his face!
After Miss Munro checks the facts, she does not blame Joey (but when
a writer passes by she instantly throws her drink in its face) so she
agrees to teach him the essence of Jessica to keep the character alive,
though he gets off to a bad start by making her voice sound English.
The essence of Jessica's character is rooted in her confidence, so Miss
Munro begins teaching Joey how to enter a room as though he owns it. He
finds her standards exacting, but Cecilia is patient with him. When she
despairs of her own future he comforts her, and she is greatly touched
when he assures her that she's still hot.
When Cecilia teaches Joey how Jessica kisses a man, she puts her hands
over most of his face so that only she's seen by the camera - but then
lust overcomes her and she grabs him properly, so they fall down onto
a nearby couch in a passionate clinch.
Next morning, Rachel is delighted to see Jessica Lockhart emerge from
Joey's bedroom, but unselfishly she rushes to fetch an ecstatic Monica
who pleads like a little girl to be slapped. Miss Munro dare not, upon
her lawyer's advice, even when Monica turns very bitchy in an attempt
to provoke her, so Joey picks up both girls and bundles them out. But
when a script comes, he knows he has lines, so Jessica's end is near.
At last Jessica dies to be reborn in Drake's body, and Joey is splendid
as he makes his grand entrance - bandaged on the outside, but all woman
on the inside, and every inch of him totally *owning* the room. Cecilia
is pleased with his performance, and before she leaves to make a movie
in Mexico, she & Joey share a lingering goodbye kiss - and they both
put their hands over each other's faces!
---o0o---
Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
single scene that she was in.
The movie star was clearly having a ball sending up the soap divas who
dominated her in the days when she played the girl, and yet her sympathy
for the plight of aging actresses came shining through.
Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
---o0o---
Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
did not screech.
Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (the score
for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 5 Norway 0) but which
half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
Ross was very funny yet realistic on the bagpipes, not least because
that actually was David Schwimmer playing them.
Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
now the kindred spirits?
According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
at Central Perk, in the grand tradition of Hums While He Pees in 705
"TOW the Engagement Picture".
Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
to dinner and not having sex.
Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
Barney's is a boutique-like department store that is very upscale, with
contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china & silver. It
originated in New York City, (specialising in men's clothing), but they
have now spread to other big cities such as Chicago & Tokyo. It would be
the perfect shopping spot for Rachel, better than Bloomingdale's! Check
out http://www.barneys.com for more details.
Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
Phoebe gave her address as 5 Morton Street #14, which doesn't resemble
her envelope in 421 "TOW the Invitation", (check out the DVD at 11:07),
but then the props guys misspelt Rachel's surname, so they're not to be
trusted. Sadly, it seems that there is no Morton Street near to Central
Park, but there is one three blocks away from Grove Street.
When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
Tom the 'silver fox' who owned the phone was played by Jack Betts, who
was in the long-running soap opera "Search for Tomorrow" fourteen years
*after* Susan Sarandon was in it.
This is not the first time that "Friends" has sent up the soap opera
drink-in-the-face routine, there was of course the classic scene in
212 "TOA the Superbowl (part 1)" where Rachel, Monica & Chandler
threw water in the face of Hans Ramoray, Drake's evil twin.
Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
It is always good fun when we see acting lessons on the show. Other
classic examples include 'smelling the fart' in 211 "TOW the Lesbian
Wedding", 'dividing 232 by 13' in 307 "TOW the Race Car Bed", and
'rubbing and smiling' in 609 "TOW Ross Got High".
Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
she expects to be slapped?
Joey bundling Monica & Rachel out of the door should settle any
question of who is the strongest.
Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
Susan Sarandon is wrongly credited as the doubly fictional Jessica
Lockhart, instead of soap star Cecilia Munro who played her.
Susan Sarandon & Matt LeBlanc have similar eyes, which is rather ironic
because so did Jessica & Dina. This is because the young soap star was
played by Susan's actual daughter Eva from Italian film director Franco
Amurri. Meanwhile, Susan's first husband Chris Sarandon is now married
to Joanna Gleason, who played Rachel's boss Kim Clozzi at Ralph Lauren.
Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
happy showbiz couple, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
---o0o---
When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
than Rachel, but we could not be sure. However, all such doubts were
dispelled when the tag showed what was clearly the first take, in which
JA jumped in surprise and then they all cracked up - and then the show
continued for another 17 minutes of bloopers!
Overall I thought the bloopers were great fun, but I would rather have
had the cast themselves introduce the clips, rather than just sit there
looking like they're in church while Conan O'Brien (am I the only one
who thinks of Conan the Barbarian) took over the show. Notice how it
came alive when MLB introduced the clips from 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush",
with the help of some neat editing. Anyway, a few thoughts...
For the caption "HOSTED BY CONAN O'BRIEN" the camera pans from Monica's
apartment to Central Perk, and you can see how the bedrooms are cut off
which is why there are little walls just beyond the doors. So when they
have a scene in a bedroom, is it a separate set, or do they build it
onto the doorway, so it projects into the coffee house set?
It was great to see how much fun the cast has while making the show,
and it was obvious that they really do like each other.
We found out that Marcel (110-213) was played by a monkey named Katie.
We saw what the "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW" Magnadoodle in 413 meant.
The clip where CCA, (as Monica), says that she's doing her brother, is
almost certainly the tag they deleted from 613 "TOW Rachel's Sister".
American audiences who were denied the very wonderful fat Monica shaking
her booty in 615 "TOT Could Have Been (part 1)" finally got their chance,
and with live sound it was fascinating to see CCA feed off the cheering.
When LK laughed in the clip from 618 "TOW Ross Dates a Student", her
face changed so much that she didn't look like Phoebe any more.
We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
The blooper with young CMS is from 716, but it's not spoilerish.
There were a few scenes which I felt were funnier for the cast than for
me, such as the sick Monica, or the couch stuck on the staircase - but
some of the other clips were very funny, such as...
The rooster trying to mate with the duck, which can't get away.
The old lady cracking up as LK stumbles in Italian & speaks Gutter.
JA hitting DS with the door, then he fears she'll hit him again.
MLB & MP noticing a forgotten clapper board.
CC inadvertently spitting on JA.
Young CMS sending up JA for forgetting her first line.
Trouserless MLB/MP asking the British audience what the matter is.
..and these were the three that made me laugh out loud the most...
3rd - JA struggling to act with the damn monkey.
2nd - MLB patting CC's breast, then MP pats the other breast.
1st - DS & MLB in the fort, zipping up their flies.
---o0o---
When this episode was shown in America, it was 45 minutes long, or 28
minutes if you don't count the blooper show. Sadly this meant that an
awful lot was cut out for the 22 minute version on E4 in Britain...
Rachel crying over her lost wedding poem.
Joey telling Ross about the highly controversial procedure.
Monica's favourite character on DOOL.
The gay men at Central Perk.
Jessica telling Dina that she was an accident too.
Joey commiserating with 'Dina' about their slapped faces.
Phone equals Phoebe, but Ratchet would equal Rachel.
Rachel beating Phoebe, with the number of a steak house.
Joey chatting up 'Dina', who reveals she's only 16.
Cecilia mistreating the writers on DOOL.
Ross explaining he was not playing, but practicing.
Joey's first lesson in Owning The Room.
Joey catching himself as he comforts Cecilia about her age.
Rachel explaining that old guys are born young, then you wait.
Joey getting very strict with a fannish Rachel.
Rachel making jokes about Ross in a skirt.
..and also several scenes were in a different order.
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 716-718.
Tennant Stuart
Jacqui
Which half??
> Phoebe hands the phone over, but when the owner calls she knocks it out
> of Rachel's hand again, and arranges a date. Though Phoebe tries to use
> her mom's suicide to gain sympathy, Rachel insists on being there when
> the owner arrives, but he turns out to be the guy's old boss, so Phoebe
> wonders how long she & Rachel were arguing for! To Rachel's suppressed
> surprise, Phoebe reckons that he's even hotter than the young man, so
> she begs to be allowed to have him - and Rachel graciously gives in.
She didn't milk that for NEARLY enough leverage on Phoebe....
> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (the score
> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 5 Norway 0) but which
> half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
> about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
Bing isn't Scottish AFAICT, Nora is more an Irish name than Scottish
(but plausible).
> Ross was very funny yet realistic on the bagpipes, not least because
> that actually was David Schwimmer playing them.
Painfully.
> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>
> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
This leads me back to last week's ep (which I saw yesterday too) - when
Rachel was having her angst about being 30 and having to get married,
why did Ross resist the REALLY obvious remark? (I wouldn't have put it
past him to offer to father her children either)
> When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
> so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
> can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
Looked like tails to me. (not the word I'd have used, but I don't think
it was suspender belt-shaped)
> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
I don't for a minute think she did, she was trying to scare Rachel into
giving her the phone back.
Jac
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
> Which half??
We've been debating this. Bing is not a Swedish name, though some Swedish
names can end with "bing". However, Byng is a British name, for instance
Lord Byng became famous during the battle of Vimy Ridge in WW1 and there's
a hockey trophy for good sportsmanship named after his wife. Bing could be
a mispelling of the name, as spellings often simplify upon immigration.
Bing is also a pretty common Chinese name (Bing Cherries are named after
the Chinese orchardist who first cultivated them, and a Chinese character
in the novel "The Joy Luck Club" is named Bing) which explains why Joey
assumed Chandler had Chinese ancestry in 606 "TOO the Last Night" - he
is certainly not as dumb as some people believe.
There are several Bings in the IMDb, but the only one with a biography
is Herman, who was born in Frankfurt in 1889. The only Byng in the IMDb
with a biography is Douglas, who was born in England in 1893.
>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish but which
>> half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
>> about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
> Bing isn't Scottish AFAICT, Nora is more an Irish name than Scottish
> (but plausible).
The name "Nora" has caused us even more uncertainty than "Bing", though
a count of the European Noras in the IMDb revealed...
English ... 4
Finnish ... 2
Italian ... 2
Danish .... 1
Greek ..... 1
Irish ..... 1
Swedish ... 1
..so take your pick. There's even less in the IMDb about "Tyler".
Some in-depth input on this subject would be more than welcome,
especially from someone such as yourself, Jacqui. :)
>> Phoebe hands the phone over, but when the owner calls she knocks it out
>> of Rachel's hand again, and arranges a date. Though Phoebe tries to use
>> her mom's suicide to gain sympathy, Rachel insists on being there when
>> the owner arrives, but he turns out to be the guy's old boss, so Phoebe
>> wonders how long she & Rachel were arguing for! To Rachel's suppressed
>> surprise, Phoebe reckons that he's even hotter than the young man, so
>> she begs to be allowed to have him - and Rachel graciously gives in.
> She didn't milk that for NEARLY enough leverage on Phoebe....
She didn't, did she? Gone soft, or nicer than we think? :)
>> Ross was very funny yet realistic on the bagpipes, not least because
>> that actually was David Schwimmer playing them.
> Painfully.
Yeah, but at least it was real, unlike the recent wedding in "Neighbours".
>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
>> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
> This leads me back to last week's ep (which I saw yesterday too) - when
> Rachel was having her angst about being 30 and having to get married,
> why did Ross resist the REALLY obvious remark? (I wouldn't have put it
> past him to offer to father her children either)
Yes, I know, I reckon that omission was highly significant... ;)
>> When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
>> so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
>> can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
> Looked like tails to me. (not the word I'd have used, but I don't think
> it was suspender belt-shaped)
Ah, by saying "tails", I'm referring back to men's shirts of course.
Which word would you have used?
>> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
> I don't for a minute think she did, she was trying to scare Rachel into
> giving her the phone back.
Ooh, good point - I guess China must be the most expensive to call.
Tennant
Paul Hyett
considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>
>But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>single scene that she was in.
I thought she looked familiar somehow.
>
>Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode
One of us had to say it! :)
>
>Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
>
Just what I was wondering!
>And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
>
I think he can work off those calories in the bedroom though. :)
>If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
>indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
You could recognise it from that? I certainly couldn't.
>
>Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>now the kindred spirits?
>
I don't think so, she loved his music when everybody else hated it -
it's just a Phoebe 'thing'.
>
>The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
>at Central Perk
I don't remember seeing her before - though you'd think I would! :)
>
>Barney's is a boutique-like department store that is very upscale, with
>contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china & silver.
Another US reference that I didn't get.
>
>Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>
Not on any sitcom shown on US network TV, I'd say (apart perhaps from
Will & Grace)!
>
>It was great to see how much fun the cast has while making the show,
>and it was obvious that they really do like each other.
>
Stop tantalising us with bits we Brits won't get to see! :)
--
Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett - The Wild Frame Grabber of the Net!
Website at http://www.activist.demon.co.uk/USsitcoms/
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>> with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>> and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>> single scene that she was in.
> I thought she looked familiar somehow.
Hello? Big movie star? :)
>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode
> One of us had to say it! :)
Oh, but she really was, she blew the others away...
>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
> Just what I was wondering!
Yep!!
>> And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
> I think he can work off those calories in the bedroom though. :)
Lol! Remember that one flash of those (gulp) breasts costs 5 sit-ups,
so what sort of exercise the poor guy has to do to earn a visit from
the sock bunny just - well it just doesn't bear thinking about!
>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
>> indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
> You could recognise it from that? I certainly couldn't.
Oh yes, it's easy once Chandler has told you what it's meant to be.
>> Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>> now the kindred spirits?
> I don't think so, she loved his music when everybody else hated it -
> it's just a Phoebe 'thing'.
I dunno - she's on his wavelength...
>> The busty girl nicknamed Knockers is obviously another of the regulars
>> at Central Perk
> I don't remember seeing her before - though you'd think I would! :)
Same here! :)
>> Barney's is a boutique-like department store that is very upscale, with
>> contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china & silver.
> Another US reference that I didn't get.
That's why I'm here to tell ya! :)
>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
> Not on any sitcom shown on US network TV, I'd say (apart perhaps from
> Will & Grace)!
Why not, if Joey can kiss Chandler & Ross?
>> It was great to see how much fun the cast has while making the show,
>> and it was obvious that they really do like each other.
> Stop tantalising us with bits we Brits won't get to see! :)
Don't shoot the messenger, have a go at Channel Four.
And the DVDs will be out in July.
Tennant
Paul Hyett
>> I thought she looked familiar somehow.
>
>Hello? Big movie star? :)
I very rarely watch movies, and those I do tend to be sci-fi or feature
my fav actresses.
>
>> I think he can work off those calories in the bedroom though. :)
>
>Lol! Remember that one flash of those (gulp) breasts costs 5 sit-ups,
>so what sort of exercise the poor guy has to do to earn a visit from
>the sock bunny just - well it just doesn't bear thinking about!
He must be the fittest guy in NY then! :)
>
>Oh yes, it's easy once Chandler has told you what it's meant to be.
>
No, I still couldn't recognise it, and before you ask, I know the
original song pretty well.
>
>>> Barney's is a boutique-like department store that is very upscale, with
>>> contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china & silver.
>
>> Another US reference that I didn't get.
>
>That's why I'm here to tell ya! :)
How did *you* know that?
>
>> Not on any sitcom shown on US network TV, I'd say (apart perhaps from
>> Will & Grace)!
>
>Why not, if Joey can kiss Chandler & Ross?
>
Context is very important though.
>
>> Stop tantalising us with bits we Brits won't get to see! :)
>
>Don't shoot the messenger
Bang!
>, have a go at Channel Four.
>
>And the DVDs will be out in July.
What about the box-sets though? Since I have the 1st six seasons in that
form, it'd be silly not to get the 7th that way.
Exactly which episodes did the US see extended versions of, anyway?
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Okay. Well, having seen how brilliant she was in this episode, do you
think that she might become one of your fav actresses?
>>> I think he can work off those calories in the bedroom though. :)
>> Lol! Remember that one flash of those (gulp) breasts costs 5 sit-ups,
>> so what sort of exercise the poor guy has to do to earn a visit from
>> the sock bunny just - well it just doesn't bear thinking about!
> He must be the fittest guy in NY then! :)
Yep!!! :)
>> Oh yes, it's easy once Chandler has told you what it's meant to be.
> No, I still couldn't recognise it, and before you ask, I know the
> original song pretty well.
Have another listen to the scene where Chandler tells Monica.
>>>> Barney's is a boutique-like department store that is very upscale,
>>>> with contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china &
>>>> silver.
>>> Another US reference that I didn't get.
>> That's why I'm here to tell ya! :)
> How did *you* know that?
Laura Mouse told me.
>>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>>> Not on any sitcom shown on US network TV, I'd say (apart perhaps from
>>> Will & Grace)!
>> Why not, if Joey can kiss Chandler & Ross?
> Context is very important though.
I quite agree, and in this context, Joey is playing a woman.
>> The DVDs will be out in July.
> What about the box-sets though? Since I have the 1st six seasons in that
> form, it'd be silly not to get the 7th that way.
Dunno, sorry.
> Exactly which episodes did the US see extended versions of, anyway?
The supersized episodes were 713-716, so there's one more to go.
It looks as though 721-724 will be the normal length.
Tennant
Paul Hyett
No - didn't think she was anything special, myself.
>
>> No, I still couldn't recognise it, and before you ask, I know the
>> original song pretty well.
>
>Have another listen to the scene where Chandler tells Monica.
*Still* makes no difference.
>
>Laura Mouse told me.
>
Aha - you're not as big a trivia king as we thought then! :)
>> Context is very important though.
>
>I quite agree, and in this context, Joey is playing a woman.
But in a man's body.
>
>> Exactly which episodes did the US see extended versions of, anyway?
>
>The supersized episodes were 713-716, so there's one more to go.
So they should all fall on one DVD then - that puts a slightly different
light on things.
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> No, I still couldn't recognise it, and before you ask, I know the
>>> original song pretty well.
>> Have another listen to the scene where Chandler tells Monica.
> *Still* makes no difference.
It's *very* obvious to me. Check out the transcript I've sent you,
where Phoebe sings "Eeeeee!!! Eeee-eeee! Heeee-hee! Eeee-me-me!!!!!"
and then "Eeeee! Eee-eeee-eee! Eee-he-he!!!" which was cut out...
>> Laura Mouse told me.
> Aha - you're not as big a trivia king as we thought then! :)
I've never claimed to be anything more than a good listener...
>>> Context is very important though.
>> I quite agree, and in this context, Joey is playing a woman.
> But in a man's body.
You don't say! :)
>>> Exactly which episodes did the US see extended versions of, anyway?
>> The supersized episodes were 713-716, so there's one more to go.
> So they should all fall on one DVD then - that puts a slightly different
> light on things.
That's what *I* told *you*!!
Tennant
Sean Black
>>, have a go at Channel Four.
>>
>>And the DVDs will be out in July.
>
>What about the box-sets though? Since I have the 1st six seasons in that
>form, it'd be silly not to get the 7th that way.
>
remaining two in September, so I can't really see a box set coming out
until at least then. Or if I am being cynical they won't bring a box set
out until at least Christmas, after everyone has bought them
individually.
--
Sean Black
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:02:15 BST, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Awww. What do you think of Robert Patrick? If you haven't seen any of
>>>> the new season yet, he was also the villain in Terminator 2.
>>> Yeah, I know. He also played one of the bad guys in The Faculty (awful
>>> movie... I'm glad I got to see it for free.)
>>> I think he's a bit creepy, but that is probably because of all the bad
>>> guys he has played.
>> He comes over as a very strong figure on the new X-Files, while Scully
>> is now, by comparison, the freaky-deaky one.
> I heard a rumour saying that this season is the last. Is that true?
I don't know enough to sort out the rumours. Sorry.
>> Get her eating for two, is my plan...
> RPGOL! You don't waste any time, do you, Tennant?
Slim.
>> Gloria habitually hits her children.
> It doesn't have to prove that. If she had hit her children on a
> regular basis, Joey would have known she was going to hit him, and he
> would also have known about the big ring, and could have ducked.
Maybe he got careless since he started living with five nice people.
And anyway, it's rare for people to hit their grown-up children, so
it's still very suspicious. Or so it seems to me, I dunno, I grew up
in a single-parent family where we were *never* hit by our mother.
>>> I don't think this has anything to do with Joey.
>> Of course not, but Tina marrying a brutal man is not a good sign.
> That's true.
Yep.
>>> *laughs* The Tribbiani clan obviously has a weird interpretation of
>>> what tailors are supposed to do.
>> Or that Tribbiani boys are used to having men fondle their genitals.
> Ewww... I hadn't thought of that.
Well, there you go then. It's a pretty heavy point. Any innocent
explanations are negated by Chandler & Ross's shocked reactions.
>> The implication here is that Joey subconsciously rejects the language of
>> his family. It could be that Italian was not spoken at home, but see 519.
> Many immigrants stopped speaking their own language when they arrived
> in the States, and as a result many children never learned their
> mother tongue properly.
Yes, but in this family, Joey's gran, who would have been the mother of
the family for many years, never learnt to speak English - yet the only
words Joey picked up were the most foul-mouthed expletives.
>> The implication is that she too had a brutalising childhood -
>> presumably the siblings supported each other.
> I agree with you here. I think they are a close knit gang.
Yeah.
>>> His grandma was tough during the war, but lots of European
>>> grandmothers were tough in the 1930s and 1940s.
>> Agreed, but this is is about Joey's parents, who would have been kids
>> at the time, and it could be that they experienced atrocities which
>> most children at the time did not. Also there is the implication that
>> the eight Tribbiani siblings go to their grandmother for food & laundry,
>> not their parents. Again, meaningful only in context of all the quotes.
> I don't know... I was under the impression that their grandma lived
> together with them and had nothing better to do than to do their
> laundry and cook for the family.
That could be, but there was a big family dinner going, and yet Joey's
parents were absent.
>> ..and another reference to Joey's seeming inability to speak Italian.
> I'm sorry, but I don't think that's necessarily a negative thing for
> their parents.
Agreed, but taken with everything else it could be.
>> Yeah, but Gloria must have had a horrendous time giving birth to such
>> a large baby, and afterwards her husband might have been denied sex or
>> even found her vagina to be too stretched for him.
> Eh.. I have no idea how to comment on that one.
It's a motive for either of them to blame Joey for the break-up of their
marriage, yet constrained by their culture & traditions to stay together.
>> This also shows that the Tribbianis were an Italian-speaking family.
> His grandma talked Italian, but we don't know if his parents talked
> Italian to their kids.
It's not that his grandma spoke Italian, it's that she didn't speak English
after about 50 years in the USA. There must have been a *lot* of Italian
spoken in that family, yet Joey only learnt foul-mouthed expletives.
>>> I've always thought that Joey's sisters are very protective of him
>>> (we've never seen any signs of them disliking him), and they seemed to
>>> love him at his birthday party.
>> You misinterpreted me there, the suggestion is not that they abused Joey,
>> but that at least a few of them were also abused by their parents.
> Okay. :)
Okay. :)
>> Yes, I acknowledge that there are other interpretations for these
>> references individually, it's when they are considered as a whole
>> that a more disturbing picture emerges.
> I'm not convinced, sorry..
Yeah, well I said the argument has never been well received, and it was
a blow when the Dr.Seuss book turned out to be one for adults.
> You deserve kudos for having several good points, though. :)
Thanks, sweetie. :)
>>>>> Well, we can see the vase several times, e.g. 413, 415 and 417.
>>>> Ah, so *only* in #19 - never in #20 then?
>>> No, we've seen the vase dozens of times in #20, I was just thinking
>>> about the time when the girls lived in the boys' apartment. :)
>> Where does she normally keep it, then?
> Many places. In 713 it was on the counter in the kitchen, but she has
> had it several places in the apartment (the end table, the counter
> etc).
It's funny I've never noticed it there, but I always see the cookie jar...
Tennant Stuart
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If Rachel would be singing another tune if she were fighting with
Phoebe over a ratchet, what about Monica, Chandler, Joey, & Ross?
Barney's is a boutique-like department store that is very upscale, with
contemporary designer clothes, cosmetics, glassware, china & silver. It
originated in New York City, (specialising in men's clothing), but they
have now spread to other big cities such as Chicago & Tokyo. It would be
the perfect shopping spot for Rachel, better than Bloomingdale's! Check
out http://www.barneys.com for more details.
When Phoebe fills up a bowl from a bag of "I AVID" sunflower seeds, is
that really "DAVID" with the loop of the initial letter whitened out?
Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
Phoebe gave her address as 5 Morton Street #14, which doesn't resemble
her envelope in 421 "TOW the Invitation", (check out the DVD at 11:07),
but then the props guys misspelt Rachel's surname, so they're not to be
trusted. Sadly, it seems that there is no Morton Street near to Central
Park, but there is one three blocks away from Grove Street.
In 712 "TOW They're Up All Night", Phoebe's apartment was #16.
When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
Or since China must be the most expensive country to call from the USA,
was that a lie designed to scare Rachel into giving her the phone back?
According to spoilers circulating before this episode first aired, Joey
was supposed to fire Sarandon's character on "Days of Our Lives", which
set off speculation in the wrong direction. Based on the title, the fans
expected to see Dr.Ramoray come out of his 5 year brain-dead coma, since
obviously a brain transplant would bring him back to life. However, it
was thought that this would be a bargaining chip for Joey. If he fires
Sarandon, his character lives - if not, he's still a vegetable. As far
as I can tell, this started with a report in TV Guide Online which said
in http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/inthenews/010111.asp that Sarandon
is set to show up, playing an actress who's canned, and must be told by
the hapless Joey. Their use of the single word "must", instead of the
longer "happens to", probably caused the entire useless discussion.
---o0o---
When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
than Rachel, but we could not be sure. However, all such doubts were
dispelled when the tag showed what was clearly the first take, in which
JA jumped in surprise and then they all cracked up - and then the show
continued for another 17 minutes of bloopers!
Overall I thought the bloopers were great fun, but I would rather have
had the cast themselves introduce the clips, rather than just sit there
looking like they're in church while Conan O'Brien (am I the only one
who thinks of Conan the Barbarian) took over the show. Notice how it
came alive when MLB introduced the clips from 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush",
with the help of some neat editing. Anyway, a few thoughts...
For the caption "HOSTED BY CONAN O'BRIEN" the camera pans from Monica's
apartment to Central Perk, and you can see how the bedrooms are cut off
which is why there are little walls just beyond the doors. So when they
have a scene in a bedroom, is it a separate set, or do they build it
onto the doorway, so it projects into the coffee house set?
We found out that Marcel (110-213) was played by a monkey named Katie.
---o0o---
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-718.
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>> Reposted for Seran.
> ta muchly
You're welcomy
>> Phoebe has never been so hilarious.
> I bet I could name a time... no I can't...
I know.
>> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
>> while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
>> hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
> an hilarious?
> ^
But of course. Like "an hotel", but not like "a hill".
> I bet that if Ross filled up the bagpipes more, and played a song more
> suited to it, it wouldn't sound so bad!
Could be, so should C&M have let him practise some more?
>> But all that was as nothing compared with a brilliant Actor Joey story,
>> with Matt LeBlanc on top form, CCA & JA poking fun at the adoring fans,
>> and a magnificent guest appearance by Susan Sarandon, who stole every
>> single scene that she was in.
> she was brilliant, I have to say. How did CCA and JA poke fun at the
> fan? oh yeah.
Yeppity.
>> Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
>> arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth, which
>> also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross & Phoebe
>> being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
> yup yup yup!
Another one we wouldn't have had if the "cancel the show brigade" had
their own way last year - in fact some so-called fans still say that.
>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
>> did not screech.
> of course not, she's not screechy Monica anymore.
Yes, but I make of point of saying it, because there are still people
claiming that Monica is screechy, believe it or not.
>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey mistaking
>> his incredulity for an inability to understand modern medicine.
> I'm reminded of the Ross/Phoebe fights! :)
Awww, she was only playing with him, the poor little chap. :)
>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is that
>> the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book"?
> most probably. what did he mean there are less people on the streets? I'm
> a little worried about that!
There are fewer people on the street in winter because it's cold, so he's
less likely to meet a beautiful woman waiting to be swept off her feet.
>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
> when was that?
When they heard the Dying Cat parade.
>> And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
> depends on what happpens to Matthew Perry...
Eek, I know, poor guy.. :(
> okay that aside, I don't think it will do too much, just send him over the
> edge a tiny bit! :)
Yeah I guess, since Monica will keep him at his exercises.
>> If you listen carefully to Ross playing, you can tell that the tune is
>> indeed "Celebration", by Kool and the Gang.
> I got it right at the end
Yay! Well done. :)
>> We now know that Chandler is half-Scottish & half-Swedish (the score
>> for Scandinavian references now stands at Sweden 5 Norway 0) but which
>> half is which? Is "Bing" more like Scottish or Swedish names? And what
>> about "Nora" & "Tyler"?
> I think his mum is Sweedish, and his dad is Scottish.
Yes indeed, it's been pointed out that "Bing" is a Chinese name (so Joey
was not stupid in 606 "TOO the Last Night"), but "Byng" is a British name
so it would be as you suggest. And Nora looks Scandinavian, doesn't she?
>> Ross was very funny yet realistic on the bagpipes, not least because
>> that actually was David Schwimmer playing them.
> hehe!!!
:)
>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
>> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
> eh?
Sorry, this was a section that was cut out...
ROSS: -now remember you have to imagine me in a kilt.
(Rachel giggles, and talks quietly to Ross, so that only he can hear her.)
RACHEL: I can imagine you in a short plaid skirt & knee socks.
ROSS: (Quietly back to Rachel) Do you wanna start telling secrets?
RACHEL: No!
>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
> what?
See the above dialogue.
>> Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>> now the kindred spirits?
> I reckon they are on the very same wavelength, which just makes them
> hilarious
Yay Seran, I'm so glad you reckon that, I so agree! :)
>> According to the filming report by Aussie Kitty on the Angel's Friends
>> message board, the original tag consisted of Phoebe & Ross performing
>> together on guitar & bagpipes at the coffee house. They had invited all
>> of their friends, but of course none of them turned up.
> oh! they should've done that....
Hopefully, it will be on the DVD.
> oh! or Phoebe teaching Ross how to play Smelly Cat!!!
Ooh gosh! Nobody's suggested that! Lol!!
Yes, it's been almost a tradition that Phoebe teaches guest stars how to
play Smelly Cat, so why not Ross on the pipes? That would be so great!
>> Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
>> getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
>> that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
>> to dinner and not having sex.
> but it turned out to be a date when they did do the dirty... hehe
Exactly!
>> Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
>> have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
>> of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
> Oi! I was gonna say that!
Grin.
> hey, if it was edible, do you think they would've eaten it off the floor?
What? The phone?
>> If Rachel would be singing another tune if she were fighting with
>> Phoebe over a ratchet, what about Monica, Chandler, Joey, & Ross?
> say again?
Sorry, another missing section (you can have copies of my red & blue
highlighted transcripts of 713-716 if you like) that went like this...
RACHEL: Why don't we see what kind of numbers he has on his speed dial?
PHOEBE: Or, we can decide by whoever's name is closer to the word 'phone'.
RACHEL: I don't think so.
PHOEBE: (handing Rachel the phone) Fine, alright, but I'd bet you'd be
singing another tune if we were fighting over a ratchet.
..which is a fine example of Phoebe cleverness. So, a phone for Phoebe,
a ratchet for Rachel, what would Monica, Chandler, Joey & Ross get?
>> When Phoebe fills up a bowl from a bag of "I AVID" sunflower seeds, is
>> that really "DAVID" with the loop of the initial letter whitened out?
> why would it be david, other than the obvious answer.
What's the obvious answer?
>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but as
>> Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
> really? I'll have a lok, and don't pester me this time! :)
Okay, I promise.
>> Phoebe gave her address as 5 Morton Street #14, which doesn't resemble
>> her envelope in 421 "TOW the Invitation", (check out the DVD at 11:07),
>> but then the props guys misspelt Rachel's surname, so they're not to be
>> trusted. Sadly, it seems that there is no Morton Street near to Central
>> Park, but there is one three blocks away from Grove Street.
> when did she say she lived near the Park?
In 502 "TOW All the Kissing"...
JOEY: Y'know how the other day you were talking about how you didn't
get to go to London and how you were kinda feeling left out?
PHOEBE: Yeah?
JOEY: Alright, well, we felt really bad about that, so we decided we
should all take a little trip together!
PHOEBE: Ohh, that's so nice! How great! Well, where? Where's the trip?!
MONICA: Well, we thought we would all go to a picnic in Central Park!
PHOEBE: Central Park! That sucks! That's not a trip! I just came from
the park! What are we gonna high five about at stupid Central
Park? "Well, it's right by my house, alright!"
CHANDLER: Well, I'm gonna go home and bask in the triumph of my
Central Park idea.
>> In 712 "TOW They're Up All Night", Phoebe's apartment was #16.
> when did it say that?
It doesn't, but you can see it on her door when the fireman comes.
>> When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
>> so she quickly pulls the hem down - but is that her suspender belt we
>> can see, or triangular tuck-in tails for her top?
> you notice too much.
There's a lot worth noticing about Rachel... ;)
>> Why did Phoebe use the stolen phone to call China instead of Minsk?
> because China's futher. isn't it?
Well, the other side of the world from New York is in the Indian Ocean,
but if you then travel north you pass through Java, Vietnam, Cambodia,
Laos, and then western China (which is like the middle of nowhere).
If I had to pick a city, I'd say Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, which
is at (git yer GPS receiver out) 6°9´s/106°54´e while New York City is at
40°45´n/74°0´w - but China probably has a crap infrastructure which makes
them more expensive to call. Anyway, Phoebe doubtless calculated all this
in advance, though she might have got Joey to do the math for her...
>> Or since China must be the most expensive country to call from the USA,
>> was that a lie designed to scare Rachel into giving her the phone back?
> why would it scare Rachel?
She might get a gigantic phone bill instead of a dinner date.
>> This is not the first time that "Friends" has sent up the soap opera
>> drink-in-the-face routine, there was of course the classic scene in
>> 212 "TOA the Superbowl (part 1)" where Rachel, Monica & Chandler
>> threw water in the face of Hans Ramoray, Drake's evil twin.
> that was wicked!!!
Yap!! :)
> Chandler: you left the toilet seat up you bastard!
Lol, indeed! :)
And I love the bit after Erica leaves, where Joey says "Okay, alright, the
people who threw the water" and Ross points at Rachel, Monica & Chandler.
>> Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
>> granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
> haha! probably!
She was *so* amazing, wasn't she? :)
>> It is always good fun when we see acting lessons on the show. Other
>> classic examples include 'smelling the fart' in 211 "TOW the Lesbian
>> Wedding", 'dividing 232 by 13' in 307 "TOW the Race Car Bed", and
>> 'rubbing and smiling' in 609 "TOW Ross Got High".
> hehe! Lessons for all actors watching this program...
Did you learn anything?
>> Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
>> she expects to be slapped?
> well she was obviously a very bad girl when she was little!
Yes, that's what I thought, which kinda creeps me out - there are
black undercurrents about the childhoods of all six, which explains
why they still hang out together in their thirties.
>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
> that could be fun... oh no wait, we already saw that...
We've seen Joey as the man in a man-woman kiss...
..we've even seen Joey in a man-man kiss...
..but we've never seen Joey as the woman in a woman-man kiss.
>> Susan Sarandon is wrongly credited as the doubly fictional Jessica
>> Lockhart, instead of soap star Cecilia Munro who played her.
> mmaybe it was easier to remember who Jessica was... or just an error on
> the editors part.
Yes, it must have been sone sort of error.
>> Susan Sarandon & Matt LeBlanc have similar eyes, which is rather ironic
>> because so did Jessica & Dina. This is because the young soap star was
>> played by Susan's actual daughter Eva from Italian film director Franco
>> Amurri. Meanwhile, Susan's first husband Chris Sarandon is now married
>> to Joanna Gleason, who played Rachel's boss Kim Clozzi at Ralph Lauren.
> haha! great big link!
Yes, like incest, there's nothing wrong with nepotism just as long as
you keep it in the family...
>> Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
>> Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
> he wouldn't have got his chance anyway...
Oh indeed. But it would have been nice if Ross or Chandler had told
Cecilia that she looked a lot like a big star, so she slapped him and
threw water in his face and told him that she *was* a big star...
>> Joey quoted Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins as the prime example of a
>> happy showbiz couple, in 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush".
> he also did Tolm Cruise and Nicole Kidman... is it jinxed?
Well, I've just updated my private copy of the IMDb from last Thursday's
upload, and it still says that Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins are an item.
>> According to spoilers circulating before this episode first aired, Joey
>> was supposed to fire Sarandon's character on "Days of Our Lives", which
>> set off speculation in the wrong direction. Based on the title, the fans
>> expected to see Dr.Ramoray come out of his 5 year brain-dead coma, since
>> obviously a brain transplant would bring him back to life. However, it
>> was thought that this would be a bargaining chip for Joey. If he fires
>> Sarandon, his character lives - if not, he's still a vegetable. As far
>> as I can tell, this started with a report in TV Guide Online which said
>> in http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/inthenews/010111.asp that Sarandon
>> is set to show up, playing an actress who's canned, and must be told by
>> the hapless Joey. Their use of the single word "must", instead of the
>> longer "happens to", probably caused the entire useless discussion.
> that would explain it
I know. One word out of place, and the spoiler addicts waste days
speculating about a story that is never going to happen.
>> When Phoebe sang like the bagpipes instead of the words to the song,
>> it looks as though it was Jennifer Aniston who was cracking up, rather
>> than Rachel, but we could not be sure. However, all such doubts were
>> dispelled when the tag showed what was clearly the first take, in which
>> JA jumped in surprise and then they all cracked up - and then the show
>> continued for another 17 minutes of bloopers!
> what?
I'm afraid so, sweetheart. You missed a MASSIVE treat.
You can have a transcript of that too, if you like.
>> We saw what the "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW" Magnadoodle in 413 meant.
> what did it mean?
Eek, I can't remember now...
>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners".
> what was it?
[Scene: Joey & Rachel's apartment. Joey & Ross are conducting
another round of the Maid of Honour contest with Phoebe & Rachel.]
JOEY: Okay, the next situation is for Rachel. The wedding is about
to start. You walk into the back room, and you find Monica
taking a nap with Ross.
(Ross lies down on the floor.)
JOEY: I'll be Monica. Go! (He jumps down, and cuddles up with Ross.)
ROSS: (Jumping up, all freaked out) No! No! No!
>> The blooper with young CMS is from 716, but it's not spoilerish.
>> It was great to see how much fun the cast has while making the show,
>> and it was obvious that they really do like each other.
> I want to see them!
Don't worry Seran, have faith. It was so great that they are bound to
be shown on British TV eventually, or maybe a special feature on DVD.
>> There were a few scenes which I felt were funnier for the cast than for
>> me, such as the sick Monica, or the couch stuck on the staircase - but
>> some of the other clips were very funny, such as...
> you didn't like them?
I'm afraid not. Very few fans liked snotty Monica, but I must admit I'm
in a minority for not being much fussed about Ross shouting PIVOT.
>> The rooster trying to mate with the duck, which can't get away.
>> The old lady cracking up as LK stumbles in Italian & speaks Gutter.
>> JA hitting DS with the door, then he fears she'll hit him again.
>> MLB & MP noticing a forgotten clapper board.
>> CC inadvertently spitting on JA.
>> Young CMS sending up JA for forgetting her first line.
> who's CMS?
Sorry, Cole Mitchell Sprouse, who plays the new Ben.
He did a deadly impression of her, all girlish.
>> Trouserless MLB/MP asking the British audience what the matter is.
> oh I love that one!
Have you seen that on the special London tape, then?
>> ..and these were the three that made me laugh out loud the most...
>> 3rd - JA struggling to act with the damn monkey.
>> 2nd - MLB patting CC's breast, then MP pats the other breast.
>> 1st - DS & MLB in the fort, zipping up their flies.
> we Brits miss Everything!
The whole world is missing this, including the USA on reruns.
>> When this episode was shown in America, it was 45 minutes long, or 28
>> minutes if you don't count the blooper show. Sadly this meant that an
>> awful lot was cut out for the 22 minute version on E4 in Britain...
>> Rachel crying over her lost wedding poem.
>> Joey telling Ross about the highly controversial procedure.
>> Monica's favourite character on DOOL.
>> The gay men at Central Perk.
>> Jessica telling Dina that she was an accident too.
>> Joey commiserating with 'Dina' about their slapped faces.
>> Phone equals Phoebe, but Ratchet would equal Rachel.
>> Rachel beating Phoebe, with the number of a steak house.
>> Joey chatting up 'Dina', who reveals she's only 16.
>> Cecilia mistreating the writers on DOOL.
>> Ross explaining he was not playing, but practicing.
>> Joey's first lesson in Owning The Room.
>> Joey catching himself as he comforts Cecilia about her age.
>> Rachel explaining that old guys are born young, then you wait.
>> Joey getting very strict with a fannish Rachel.
>> Rachel making jokes about Ross in a skirt.
>> ..and also several scenes were in a different order.
> That really sucks!
That it does - but wait until you see the list for S7-16... :(
> I'm gonna complain!
That you should, IN WRITING, to get Channel Four to show the full
versions of these four episodes in the autumn.
>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-718.
Oops! That should have been 716-721.
Tennant
CandiGrrl
> >> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt was obviously a reference to a kilt, but
> >> was she fantasising about the future or reminiscing about the past?
>
> > eh?
>
> Sorry, this was a section that was cut out...
>
> ROSS: -now remember you have to imagine me in a kilt.
>
> (Rachel giggles, and talks quietly to Ross, so that only he can hear her.)
>
> RACHEL: I can imagine you in a short plaid skirt & knee socks.
>
> ROSS: (Quietly back to Rachel) Do you wanna start telling secrets?
>
> RACHEL: No!
>
Just a thought - wasn't Rachel wearing that outfit in TOW The Monkey Gets
Away? Or something pretty similar?
Tennant Stuart
<CandiGr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.5f0dfa4a77...@argonet.co.uk...
>> Rachel in a short plaid skirt & knee socks.
> Just a thought - wasn't Rachel wearing that outfit in TOW The Monkey
> Gets Away? Or something pretty similar?
Errr... <checks> ..yes, at 06:29 on the DVD there's an excellent shot of
her dressed like that as she goes out of the door, although her outfit is
the last thing I noticed - and definitely not as she runs back in again!
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
> Hey Tennant! my computer shut down in the middle of replying! can you
> post it again?
Sure babe...
>> Reposted for Seran.
> ta muchly
You're welcomy
I know.
> an hilarious?
> ^
Yeppity.
> yup yup yup!
> when was that?
Yay! Well done. :)
> hehe!!!
:)
> eh?
RACHEL: No!
> what?
See the above dialogue.
Exactly!
Grin.
What? The phone?
> say again?
Okay, I promise.
PHOEBE: Yeah?
> you notice too much.
> that was wicked!!!
Yap!! :)
Lol, indeed! :)
> haha! probably!
Did you learn anything?
> haha! great big link!
> that would explain it
> what?
> what did it mean?
> what was it?
> who's CMS?
> we Brits miss Everything!
> That really sucks!
> I'm gonna complain!
>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-721.
Tennant Stuart
Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the first.
>> Reposted for Seran.
> ta muchly
You're welcomy
I know.
>> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
> an hilarious?
> ^
Yeppity.
> yup yup yup!
> when was that?
Yay! Well done. :)
> hehe!!!
:)
> eh?
RACHEL: No!
> what?
See the above dialogue.
Exactly!
Grin.
What? The phone?
> say again?
Okay, I promise.
PHOEBE: Yeah?
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-722.
Tennant Stuart
Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the second.
>> When Rachel jumps up to answer the door, her skirt is around her waist,
> you notice too much.
> that was wicked!!!
Yap!! :)
Lol, indeed! :)
> haha! probably!
Did you learn anything?
> haha! great big link!
> that would explain it
> what?
> what did it mean?
> what was it?
> who's CMS?
> we Brits miss Everything!
> That really sucks!
> I'm gonna complain!
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-722.
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>> Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the first.
> okay, here goes! wish me luck!
Luck!
>> I know.
> you know I had a competitor for this, and now I've forgotten it... oh
> wait! Phoebe in 514! does it compare?
It certainly does, 514 Phoebe comes very close, and you might be right
that objectively she was funnier - but it is a matter of contrast, for
there she was very funny in a very funny episode, whereas here she was
very funny in a funny episode. Do you see the difference?
>>>> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story deserved,
>>>> while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that was hijacked by an
>>>> hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both pieces amused & entertained.
>>> an hilarious?
>>> ^
>> But of course. Like "an hotel", but not like "a hill".
> I don't get it!
It depends on how strongly the initial H is sounded. You don't pronounce
"hill" like "ill", but you do pronounce "hotel" a bit like "otel".
>>> I bet that if Ross filled up the bagpipes more, and played a song more
>>> suited to it, it wouldn't sound so bad!
>> Could be, so should C&M have let him practise some more?
> maybe! but what other song would Ross play? I don't know, as much as I
> lovce the bagpipes, they're very loud!
"Mari's Wedding" would be nice...
# Stepping gaily, here we go,
Heel for heel, and toe for toe,
Arm in arm, and row on row,
Bound for Mari's wedding... #
> Oh! on a side note, did you get that vid thing that MArcel sent?
The movie file of a woman grabbing Rachel's breasts?
> do you know what's going on?
It looks as though it was filmed at the studio. The audience looked
most amused, though their seating layout looks strange. At the very
start it looks as though the other woman has just been fondled.
>>>> Once again we have been treated to an involving & heart-warming plot
>>>> arising from thorough characterisation with real emotional depth,
>>>> which also managed to deliver plenty of laughs. Combined with Ross &
>>>> Phoebe being so funny with the pipes, this was a great episode.
>>> yup yup yup!
>> Another one we wouldn't have had if the "cancel the show brigade" had
>> their own way last year - in fact some so-called fans still say that.
> If they got rid of Friends last year I would've cried, because that
> would've been a bad season to end it on. mind you, ending it by the
> fifth season wouldn't be so bad. But I do agree with you.
For all you know, Season 8 will be bad, and you will be satisfied that
it ended, little realising that Season 9 would have been brilliant. The
moral is that as long as the show is popular it should continue.
>>>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
>>>> did not screech.
>>> of course not, she's not screechy Monica anymore.
>> Yes, but I make of point of saying it, because there are still people
>> claiming that Monica is screechy, believe it or not.
> How can they think she's screechy? well she was a bit, but only in a
> school girl way because she was meeting her idol!
Because they declare that every time Monica raises her voice she is
screeching, even when as you say she's excited, or justifiably angry.
The fact that this is nothing to do with being screechy, or that she
could be equally excited or angry in Seasons 1-3, is totally lost on
these people, who just hate the show because C&M are together and R&R
are not, no matter how much they deny it.
>>>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey
>>>> mistaking his incredulity for an inability to understand modern
>>>> medicine.
>>> I'm reminded of the Ross/Phoebe fights! :)
>> Awww, she was only playing with him, the poor little chap. :)
> I maintain that she doesn't believe in evolution!
Phoebe actually said that evolution was true.
>>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is
>>>> that the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's Library
>>>> Book"?
>>> most probably. what did he mean there are less people on the streets?
>>> I'm a little worried about that!
>> There are fewer people on the street in winter because it's cold, so he's
>> less likely to meet a beautiful woman waiting to be swept off her feet.
> oh, well I won't tell you what I thought then.
Oh, go on... :)
>>>> Is this the first time we have seen Chandler & Monica eating a proper
>>>> dinner at their apartment? No restaurant, no takeaway, no gang?
>>> when was that?
>> When they heard the Dying Cat parade.
> Oh yeah. oh that's a shame, I like it when they're all hanging out at
> Monica's
Yes, there's been little of that, mainly due to them being away to
finish movies before the strike, so storylines were shot separately.
>>>> And what will living with a top chef do to Chandler's waistline?
>>> depends on what happpens to Matthew Perry...
>> Eek, I know, poor guy.. :(
> Well as long as he doesn't go on JA's diet again I think he'll be okay.
Yah, and I'm hoping JA is off JA's diet also.
>>> okay that aside, I don't think it will do too much, just send him over
>>> the edge a tiny bit! :)
>> Yeah I guess, since Monica will keep him at his exercises.
> he won't be able to pulll the boyfriend trick again will he!
Come again?
>> Nora looks Scandinavian, doesn't she?
> she does, a lot!
:)
>>>> Ross was very funny yet realistic on the bagpipes, not least because
>>>> that actually was David Schwimmer playing them.
>>> hehe!!!
>> :)
>> Rachel mentioning Ross's skirt...
>> RACHEL: I can imagine you in a short plaid skirt & knee socks.
>> ROSS: (Quietly back to Rachel) Do you wanna start telling secrets?
>> RACHEL: No!
>> ..was obviously a reference to a kilt, but was she fantasising about
>> the future or reminiscing about the past?
>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
> that doesn't read as flirting....
Well, some R&R fans desperately read this as flirting.
>>>> Was Phoebe singing to Ross's piping yet another sign that they are
>>>> now the kindred spirits?
>>> I reckon they are on the very same wavelength, which just makes them
>>> hilarious
>> Yay Seran, I'm so glad you reckon that, I so agree! :)
> cool! but it's pretty obvious! that's why they're always argueing!
Of course!
>> Hopefully, it will be on the DVD.
> hopefully I'll figure out how to use the DVD capabilities on the
> computer by then
Do you have a video card that supports DVD?
>>> oh! or Phoebe teaching Ross how to play Smelly Cat!!!
>> Ooh gosh! Nobody's suggested that! Lol!!
>> Yes, it's been almost a tradition that Phoebe teaches guest stars how to
>> play Smelly Cat, so why not Ross on the pipes? That would be so great!
> I really really want that to happen. I should've been on the writing team
> for this...
If the show gets past season 8 than maybe you'll get your chance.
Don't forget to send me VIP tickets.
>>>> Phoebe's line that she was not on a date, it was just two friends
>>>> getting together and having sex, echoes Monica in the pilot saying
>>>> that she was not going on a date, it was just two people going out
>>>> to dinner and not having sex.
>>> but it turned out to be a date when they did do the dirty... hehe
>> Exactly!
> so what is a date? really? if there is no sex?
It means you're Chandler.
>>>> Phoebe knocking the phone out of Rachel's hand shows that she would
>>>> have been more than a match for her & Chandler in the final battle
>>>> of 711 "TOW All the Cheesecakes".
>>> Oi! I was gonna say that!
>> Grin.
> :P
> I should know better...
Just this once, I'll let you off...
>>> If it was edible, do you think they would've eaten it off the floor?
>> What? The phone?
> yeah
No, because edible phones are more solid than cheesecake, so you can
just pick them up & dust them off. Yum!
>>>> If Rachel would be singing another tune if she were fighting with
>>>> Phoebe over a ratchet, what about Monica, Chandler, Joey, & Ross?
> okay, let's see if I can remember... Chandler had a Chandelier, I
> remember that... I can't remember what I said for the others...
Errr, I don't remember you saying *anything* about this...
>>>> When Phoebe fills up a bowl from a bag of "I AVID" sunflower seeds, is
>>>> that really "DAVID" with the loop of the initial letter whitened out?
>>> why would it be david, other than the obvious answer.
>> What's the obvious answer?
> David was her boyfriend...
So after David returns to Minsk, she pops into the supermarket to buy a
packet of DAVID SUNFLOWER SEEDS but overcome by a sense of loss she
whites out loop of the initial letter?
>>>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment, but
>>>> as Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the left.
>>> really? I'll have a lok, and don't pester me this time! :)
>> Okay, I promise.
> I need more time!
I said I wouldn't pester you, so I shan't.
> I got to the end!!!!!
Well, actually this is only halfway - oh, I see what you mean. :)
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>> Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the second.
> my hand hurts...
Awww - football?
>>> you notice too much.
> according to Mari I should be noticing too...
Oh yes, how does she mean?
>> If I had to pick a city, I'd say Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia,
>> which is at (git yer GPS receiver out) 6°9´s/106°54´e while New York
>> City is at 40°45´n/74°0´w - but China probably has a crap
>> infrastructure which makes them more expensive to call. Anyway, Phoebe
>> doubtless calculated all this in advance, though she might have got
>> Joey to do the math for her...
> how would Joey do the math?
Easy, he's the best of the six at maths. Ross is the worst.
>>>> Or since China must be the most expensive country to call from the
>>>> USA, was that a lie designed to scare Rachel into giving her the
>>>> phone back?
>>> why would it scare Rachel?
>> She might get a gigantic phone bill instead of a dinner date.
> that's very bad! that's worse than not getting a date!
I knowww!!!
>>> Chandler: you left the toilet seat up you bastard!
>> Lol, indeed! :)
>> And I love the bit after Erica leaves, where Joey says "Okay, alright,
>> the people who threw the water" and Ross points at Rachel, Monica &
>> Chandler.
> I wanna see what Joey does to them.. oh! can that go in the TWWWS?
Sho thang, sweet stuff.
>>>> Joey originally lost his part in DOOL because he took the writers for
>>>> granted. Did Cecilia lose hers because she calls the writers "it"?
>>> haha! probably!
>> She was *so* amazing, wasn't she? :)
> oh yeah! but if she did that to me then I'd probably write her out of the
> show
> too.
Well there you go. Maybe that's why we don't see much of Susan.
>>>> It is always good fun when we see acting lessons on the show. Other
>>>> classic examples include 'smelling the fart' in 211 "TOW the Lesbian
>>>> Wedding", 'dividing 232 by 13' in 307 "TOW the Race Car Bed", and
>>>> 'rubbing and smiling' in 609 "TOW Ross Got High".
>>> hehe! Lessons for all actors watching this program...
>> Did you learn anything?
> yeah, don't listen to Joey.
Yeah, but how many TV shows have you been in?
>>>> Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
>>>> she expects to be slapped?
>>> well she was obviously a very bad girl when she was little!
>> Yes, that's what I thought, which kinda creeps me out - there are
>> black undercurrents about the childhoods of all six, which explains
>> why they still hang out together in their thirties.
> not just because they're good friends?
No, it's more than that.
>>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>>> that could be fun... oh no wait, we already saw that...
>> We've seen Joey as the man in a man-woman kiss...
>> ..we've even seen Joey in a man-man kiss...
>> ..but we've never seen Joey as the woman in a woman-man kiss.
> That will be very interesting!
Yep! Watch out for the cynics claiming that the writers forgot this.
>>>> Susan Sarandon & Matt LeBlanc have similar eyes, which is rather
>>>> ironic because so did Jessica & Dina. This is because the young soap
>>>> star was played by Susan's actual daughter Eva from Italian film
>>>> director Franco Amurri. Meanwhile, Susan's first husband Chris
>>>> Sarandon is now married to Joanna Gleason, who played Rachel's boss
>>>> Kim Clozzi at Ralph Lauren.
>>> haha! great big link!
>> Yes, like incest, there's nothing wrong with nepotism just as long as
>> you keep it in the family...
> opkay that was yucky...
Jest jesting.
>>>> Susan Sarandon was on Ross's freebie list in 305 "TOW Frank Jnr" until
>>>> Chandler persuaded him to bump her for being too political.
>>> he wouldn't have got his chance anyway...
>> Oh indeed. But it would have been nice if Ross or Chandler had told
>> Cecilia that she looked a lot like a big star, so she slapped him and
>> threw water in his face and told him that she *was* a big star...
> that should've been in it too!
Okay, that's in too.
>>>> Their use of the single word "must", instead of the longer "happens
>>>> to", probably caused the entire useless discussion.
>>> that would explain it
>> I know. One word out of place, and the spoiler addicts waste days
>> speculating about a story that is never going to happen.
> that's a waste of life... Maybe they should all go out for the day and
> audition for cats.
And sing "Memo-".
>> I'm afraid so, sweetheart. You missed a MASSIVE treat.
> They will die!
Go get them, my little tigress...
>> You can have a transcript of that too, if you like.
> You sent them to me! thanx, but they wouldn't open... not good...
Not again. I thought you solved that? Winzip, and all that jazz.
>>>> We saw what the "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW" Magnadoodle in 413 meant.
>>> what did it mean?
>> Eek, I can't remember now...
> well that's a lot of good!
Sigh. Okay. <gets the blooper show out, intending to just check the
scene, but ends up watching the whole damn thing, laughing arse off>
In 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush", Monica tries to regain her position
as hostess, by wafting the aroma of fresh-baked cookies across the
hall, so Phoebe notices, and asks "Ooh, what do I smell?" Joey is
supposed to reply "I don't know, it smells good", but instead MLB
says "Sorry", and raises his hand in shame. A lot of messing about
and hilarity ensues, which culminates in Ross & Joey going over to
the door to investigate, but there is more 'farting', and the pair
bend over to show their (clothed) butts to the audience, when in
between them, the Magnadoodle says "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW"...
> hehe!!!! I wish we'd seen that! kinda reminds me of something that
> happened at school today..
Ooh what?
> hehe! wait! why would Ross and Monica be sleeping?
Ross and Monica can sleep together, what's wrong with that?
>>> I want to see them!
>> Don't worry Seran, have faith. It was so great that they are bound to
>> be shown on British TV eventually, or maybe a special feature on DVD.
> If they don't I will cry!
Hush hush, there there, do not worry. Trust me.
>>>> There were a few scenes which I felt were funnier for the cast than
>>>> for me, such as the sick Monica, or the couch stuck on the staircase
>>>> - but some of the other clips were very funny, such as...
>>> you didn't like them?
>> I'm afraid not. Very few fans liked snotty Monica, but I must admit I'm
>> in a minority for not being much fussed about Ross shouting PIVOT.
> how do you mean not much fussed? that was hilarious!
I admitted I was in a minority.
>>>> ..and these were the three that made me laugh out loud the most...
>>>> 3rd - JA struggling to act with the damn monkey.
>>>> 2nd - MLB patting CC's breast, then MP pats the other breast.
>>>> 1st - DS & MLB in the fort, zipping up their flies.
>>> we Brits miss Everything!
>> The whole world is missing this, including the USA on reruns.
> Well at least they got to see it the first time!
Only those who watched it. They got *one* chance to see it, and then it
was gone. From the wails of anguish on the message boards from those who
missed it, many Americans either don't have VCRs, or they don't know how
to make them record.
>> Wait until you see the list for S7-16... :(
> saw it, wept over it, murdered over it.
Yep.
Bear in mind that the list could easily have been longer, but a lot of
time was saved in 4 big chunks, each of which could otherwise have been
a dozen smaller cuts. At least most of the best bits were left intact.
>>> I'm gonna complain!
>> That you should, IN WRITING, to get Channel Four to show the full
>> versions of these four episodes in the autumn.
> they won't listen to me! anyway I think it's got something to do with
> how the US sends it over...
They *will* listen, to complaints in writing.
Phone calls & emails don't really count.
>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-722.
> all done!!! yay!!!!!
Yay!! Well done!
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart
<CandiGr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> you notice too much.
I don't know either! Seran?
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>>> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:na.6f53354a7c...@argonet.co.uk...
C4 UK/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 715...
>>>>>> There's a lot worth noticing about Rachel... ;)
>>>>> according to Mari I should be noticing too...
>>>> Oh yes, how does she mean?
>>> I don't know! What did I say?
>> I don't know either! Seran?
> <~~~the two people bend over a sleeping Seran and continue to poke her
> to try and wake her up, but to no avail. She turns around and they see a
> message scrawled on her back:
> Ask Again Later
Tennant looks up at a concerned Mari. "What shall we do now?" he asks.
"I dunno", she replies, "do you think she will tell us if we persist?"
"It's worth a try", says Tennant, and he picks up the frail body to hold
her upside-down, and give her a good hard jiggle. As he gently lays Seran
back down on the bed, the couple spot a message scrawled on her front:
Don't Count On It
Tennant Stuart
<CandiGr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Seran Perry <toni4...@aol.comedyrules> wrote in message
> news:20010519055803...@ng-fr1.aol.com...
>>>>>> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:na.6f53354a7c...@argonet.co.uk...
>>>> <~~~the two people bend over a sleeping Seran and continue to poke
>>>> her to try and wake her up, but to no avail. She turns around and
>>>> they seea message scrawled on her back:
>>>> Ask Again Later
>>> Tennant looks up at a concerned Mari. "What shall we do now?" he asks.
>>> "I dunno", she replies, "do you think she will tell us if we persist?"
>>> "It's worth a try", says Tennant, and he picks up the frail body to
>>> hold her upside-down, and give her a good hard jiggle. As he gently
>>> lays Seran back down on the bed, the couple spot a message scrawled on
>>> her front:
>>> Don't Count On It
>> ROTFL!
>> hehe! I am not a magic eight ball! :)
> *Shakes Seran, asks "Are you a magic eight ball?"*
> And the answer is...
> ...well, there wasn't one, so I'm guessing she's not.
Let me have a go - picks up Seran, holds her upside down, then gives
her a good hard shake, and a little cascade of toffees falls out of
the pockets of her jeans. "Cool" says Mari, as she bends to pick them
up, so Tennant roughly tosses Seran onto the bed, then joins her...
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>>>> Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the first.
>>> okay, here goes! wish me luck!
>> Luck!
> Wish it!
I did! That was it!
> Okay but yeah I see what you're geting at, I just didn't think it
> applied to writing, that's all.
No worries. :)
>>>>> I bet that if Ross filled up the bagpipes more, and played a song
>>>>> more suited to it, it wouldn't sound so bad!
>>>> Could be, so should C&M have let him practise some more?
>>> maybe! but what other song would Ross play? I don't know, as much as I
>>> lovce the bagpipes, they're very loud!
>> "Mari's Wedding" would be nice...
>> # Stepping gaily, here we go,
>> Heel for heel, and toe for toe,
>> Arm in arm, and row on row,
>> Bound for Mari's wedding... #
> errrr?
It's a traditional Highland song that shows off the fun side of
bagpipe music, and of course it's most appropriate.
>> The movie file of a woman grabbing Rachel's breasts looks as though it
>> was filmed at the studio. The audience looked most amused, though their
>> seating layout looks strange. At the very start it looks as though the
>> other woman has just been fondled.
> It looked a little bit staged to me, what do you reckon?
Oh yes, the pair are acting. But who's the other woman?
>>>> Another one we wouldn't have had if the "cancel the show brigade" had
>>>> their own way last year - in fact some so-called fans still say that.
>>> If they got rid of Friends last year I would've cried, because that
>>> would've been a bad season to end it on. mind you, ending it by the
>>> fifth season wouldn't be so bad. But I do agree with you.
>> For all you know, Season 8 will be bad, and you will be satisfied that
>> it ended, little realising that Season 9 would have been brilliant. The
>> moral is that as long as the show is popular it should continue.
> no, the series should end when it has run out of original ideas. get it
> out while it's good so people don;t feel cheated.
But people said the show had run out of ideas in Seasons 4 & 6, and
they turned out to be wrong in Seasons 5 & 7.
>>>>>> Monica looks absolutely fabulous in this episode - and of course she
>>>>>> did not screech.
>>>>> of course not, she's not screechy Monica anymore.
>>>> Yes, but I make of point of saying it, because there are still people
>>>> claiming that Monica is screechy, believe it or not.
>>> How can they think she's screechy? well she was a bit, but only in a
>>> school girl way because she was meeting her idol!
>> Because they declare that every time Monica raises her voice she is
>> screeching, even when as you say she's excited, or justifiably angry.
> well that's just silly :)
It's interesting to watch the first half of Season 6 with the French
sound switched on, since the actress voicing Monica doesn't screech.
>> The fact that this is nothing to do with being screechy, or that she
>> could be equally excited or angry in Seasons 1-3, is totally lost on
>> these people, who just hate the show because C&M are together and R&R
>> are not, no matter how much they deny it.
> are R&R fans the only ones that claim she's still screechy?
Some Frasier & Seinfeld fans also do.
>>>>>> Ross was nicely sane, even if he did have to put up with Joey
>>>>>> mistaking his incredulity for an inability to understand modern
>>>>>> medicine.
>>>>> I'm reminded of the Ross/Phoebe fights! :)
>>>> Awww, she was only playing with him, the poor little chap. :)
>>> I maintain that she doesn't believe in evolution!
>> Phoebe actually said that evolution was true.
> <~~~in high pitched voice
> when?
In 203 "TOW Heckles Dies". Watch it carefully, for many get it wrong.
>>>>>> Joey tells the gang that Ross has not had sex for 3½ months, so is
>>>>>> that the girl in the Palaeontology section in 707 "TOW Ross's
>>>>>> Library Book"?
>>>>> most probably. what did he mean there are less people on the
>>>>> streets? I'm a little worried about that!
>>>> There are fewer people on the street in winter because it's cold, so
>>>> he's less likely to meet a beautiful woman waiting to be swept off
>>>> her feet.
>>> oh, well I won't tell you what I thought then.
>> Oh, go on... :)
> use your imagination. unless you really haven't got any, where you will
> just have to sit and suffer :)
You thought that he was a sex attacker?
>>> I like it when they're all hanging out at Monica's
>> Yes, there's been little of that, mainly due to them being away to
>> finish movies before the strike, so storylines were shot separately.
> They should have one day where they have to be in whether they like it
> or not
TV usually gives way to movies, which enjoy a higher status.
>>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>>> that doesn't read as flirting....
>> Well, some R&R fans desperately read this as flirting.
> did it sound like flirting?
Yes, if you're desperate enough.
>>>> Hopefully, it will be on the DVD.
>>> hopefully I'll figure out how to use the DVD capabilities on the
>>> computer by then
>> Do you have a video card that supports DVD?
> a what?
Most PCs need extra hardware to play DVD video from a DVD ROM drive.
>> Just this once, I'll let you off...
> <~~~looks at Tennant in shock, then passes out.
<~~~ gives Seran CPR, until she comes to.
>>>>> If it was edible, do you think they would've eaten it off the floor?
>>>> What? The phone?
>>> yeah
>> No, because edible phones are more solid than cheesecake, so you can
>> just pick them up & dust them off. Yum!
> can't talk, passed out.
I've brought you round.
>>>>>> If Rachel would be singing another tune if she were fighting with
>>>>>> Phoebe over a ratchet, what about Monica, Chandler, Joey, & Ross?
>>> okay, let's see if I can remember... Chandler had a Chandelier, I
>>> remember that... I can't remember what I said for the others...
>> Errr, I don't remember you saying *anything* about this...
> Eh? what? oh right! yeah it never posted, it was one of those deleted
> before I got a chance to finish it posts.
So what about Monica, Joey, & Ross?
>> So after David returns to Minsk, she pops into the supermarket to buy a
>> packet of DAVID SUNFLOWER SEEDS but overcome by a sense of loss she
>> whites out loop of the initial letter?
> Yes.
Oh.
>>>>>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment,
>>>>>> but as Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the
>>>>>> left.
>>>>> really? I'll have a lok, and don't pester me this time! :)
>>>> Okay, I promise.
>>> I need more time!
>> I said I wouldn't pester you, so I shan't.
> meesa see it dis time
And?
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-724.
Tennant Stuart
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>>>> Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the second.
>>> my hand hurts...
>> Awww - football?
> yup. Damn the football.
Damn *all* the footballs!
> y'know they expect me to play tomorrow? aren't they lovely!
When that great Day of Judgement comes
The Angel writes against your name
It matters not
Whether you won, or lost
But how you played the game.
>>>>> you notice too much.
> apparantly me and JA belong together. not that I'm objecting to it, but
> Brad Pitt might have something to say.
Interesting. So, do you plan to become Seraniston?
>>>> If I had to pick a city, I'd say Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia,
>>>> which is at (git yer GPS receiver out) 6°9´s/106°54´e while New York
>>>> City is at 40°45´n/74°0´w - but China probably has a crap
>>>> infrastructure which makes them more expensive to call. Anyway, Phoebe
>>>> doubtless calculated all this in advance, though she might have got
>>>> Joey to do the math for her...
>>> how would Joey do the math?
>> Easy, he's the best of the six at maths. Ross is the worst.
> how did you figure that out. last time he couldn't split an $80 phone
> bill in half.
In commentary (this is where so many continuity critics go awry) you have
to distinguish between what the characters said happened, and what we saw
happen. That was merely Chandler's quip just after Joey calculated...
Okay Rach, that's muffin & espresso, $4.50; Ross, double latte, $2.75;
Chandler, coffee & a scone, $4.25; and Pheebs, herbal tea, $1.25. So,
altogether that's (he pauses for less than 3 seconds) $12.75.
Note that Joey was a very capable waiter, unlike Ursula & Rachel, even
if he did give freebies to pretty girls. Anyway, in contrast here's Ross
doing a similar task, a bit harder except that he used a calculator...
Plus tip, divided by six. Okay, everyone owes 28 bucks. (Rachel objects,
so Ross apologises for forgetting that it was Monica's big night, so she
shouldn't pay) So five of us is, $33.50 apiece.
Even without doing the calculation, you should immediately notice that his
first attempt means the total was a whole number, the second it was not.
>>>>>> Or since China must be the most expensive country to call from the
>>>>>> USA, was that a lie designed to scare Rachel into giving her the
>>>>>> phone back?
>>>>> why would it scare Rachel?
>>>> She might get a gigantic phone bill instead of a dinner date.
>>> that's very bad! that's worse than not getting a date!
>> I knowww!!!
> right, remind me not to be friends with Phoebe
On more than one occasion you realise that Monica must truly love her,
as a friend not sexually, while the others just put up with her to a
certain extent. We so need to see how Monica came to take Phoebe in.
>>>>> Chandler: you left the toilet seat up you bastard!
>>>> Lol, indeed! :)
>>>> And I love the bit after Erica leaves, where Joey says "Okay, alright,
>>>> the people who threw the water" and Ross points at Rachel, Monica &
>>>> Chandler.
>>> I wanna see what Joey does to them.. oh! can that go in the TWWWS?
>> Sho thang, sweet stuff.
> errr. thanks?
Yo betcha!
>> Maybe that's why we don't see much of Susan.
> why? what did Jessica Hecht do?
I don't know. It *seems* that she's too busy, but Carol only appears
once a season these days, and big-name movie stars find the time.
>> Yeah, but how many TV shows have you been in?
> <arrogant> lets put it this way. How many TV show auditions have I
> bothered going to? none. How many theatre auditions have I bothered to
> go to. 6. how many theatre productions have I been in? four. I think I
> made my point :) </arrogant> I just realised what an arse I was being :)
Awww. I've only been to movie auditions myself, which were much less
frightening than TV/theatre since they weren't open auditions.
>>>>>> Is there a dark reason why Monica uses a little girl's voice when
>>>>>> she expects to be slapped?
>>>>> well she was obviously a very bad girl when she was little!
>>>> Yes, that's what I thought, which kinda creeps me out - there are
>>>> black undercurrents about the childhoods of all six, which explains
>>>> why they still hang out together in their thirties.
>>> not just because they're good friends?
>> No, it's more than that.
> You would be a good english teacher. right now explain Blake to me.
He was a revolutionary, who escaped from a ship taking him to a prison
colony. With a gang of six cutthroats & freedom fighters, they acquired
a vessel of their own, and set about challenging an oppressive regime.
>>>>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>>>>> that could be fun... oh no wait, we already saw that...
>>>> We've seen Joey as the man in a man-woman kiss...
>>>> ..we've even seen Joey in a man-man kiss...
>>>> ..but we've never seen Joey as the woman in a woman-man kiss.
>>> That will be very interesting!
>> Yep! Watch out for the cynics claiming that the writers forgot this.
> <~~~takes out the binoculars and watches out
You're so cute.
>>>> I'm afraid so, sweetheart. You missed a MASSIVE treat.
>>> They will die!
>> Go get them, my little tigress...
> emmm, tigress?
Oh yes, I've seen you in action, very like Activia.
>>>> You can have a transcript of that too, if you like.
>>> You sent them to me! thanx, but they wouldn't open... not good...
>> Not again. I thought you solved that? Winzip, and all that jazz.
> I don;t have winzip on this computer I think
You did once, but on February 5th you said that you would download
Winzip again when you got the chance. Ask Mari or Marita for help.
>> Okay. <gets the blooper show out, intending to just check the scene,
>> but ends up watching the whole damn thing, laughing arse off>
> gloat all you want! I will feel no pain....
Sorry. It's more likely to be shown on C4 than the supersized eps.
>> In 413 "TOW Rachel's Crush", Monica tries to regain her position
>> as hostess, by wafting the aroma of fresh-baked cookies across the
>> hall, so Phoebe notices, and asks "Ooh, what do I smell?" Joey is
>> supposed to reply "I don't know, it smells good", but instead MLB
>> says "Sorry", and raises his hand in shame. A lot of messing about
>> and hilarity ensues, which culminates in Ross & Joey going over to
>> the door to investigate, but there is more 'farting', and the pair
>> bend over to show their (clothed) butts to the audience, when in
>> between them, the Magnadoodle says "HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIEW"...
> oh!!! are you sure that's the meaning?
No, not *sure*, but if you saw the tableau, you'd agree.
>>> hehe!!!! I wish we'd seen that! kinda reminds me of something that
>>> happened at school today..
>> Ooh what?
> when did I post this message? I don't think I can remember now...
Thursday, May 17th at 3:39pm.
>>> hehe! wait! why would Ross and Monica be sleeping?
>> Ross and Monica can sleep together, what's wrong with that?
> why would they be taking a nap together before the ceremony though?
They probably wouldn't be, but that was Joey's attempt to make Ross
come out of the nap partner closet.
>>>>> I want to see them!
>>>> Don't worry Seran, have faith. It was so great that they are bound to
>>>> be shown on British TV eventually, or maybe a special feature on DVD.
>>> If they don't I will cry!
>> Hush hush, there there, do not worry. Trust me.
> why should I trust you anymore than the others? sorry, line taken from
> the play. I act too much.
Try not to identify with your character after you leave the set. :)
>>> I must admit I'm in a minority for not being much fussed about Ross
>>> shouting PIVOT.
>>> how do you mean not much fussed? that was hilarious!
>> I admitted I was in a minority.
> I know, I was just asking what you meant nby not much fussed. there's no
> other way of explaining what I mean.
Oh, sorry. I did not have strong feelings about PIVOT, one way or the
other. I found the scene to be neither hilarious nor annoying.
>>>>> we Brits miss Everything!
>>>> The whole world is missing this, including the USA on reruns.
>>> Well at least they got to see it the first time!
>> Only those who watched it. They got *one* chance to see it, and then it
>> was gone. From the wails of anguish on the message boards from those
>> who missed it, many Americans either don't have VCRs, or they don't
>> know how to make them record.
> yes well they had their chance, do we even get a chance? No! I believe
> we don't!
The long versions *might* come up on C4 (the long pilot did) and the
blooper show probably will get an airing. Plus we (and the rest of the
planet) can easily buy the DVDs, which the poor Americans cannot.
>>>> Wait until you see the list for S7-16... :(
>>> saw it, wept over it, murdered over it.
>> Bear in mind that the list could easily have been longer, but a lot of
>> time was saved in 4 big chunks, each of which could otherwise have been
>> a dozen smaller cuts. At least most of the best bits were left intact.
> you lost me.
I can't go into more detail under this heading for S7-15 so I'll post
an answer into the thread for S7-16.
>>>>> I'm gonna complain!
>>>> That you should, IN WRITING, to get Channel Four to show the full
>>>> versions of these four episodes in the autumn.
>>> they won't listen to me! anyway I think it's got something to do with
>>> how the US sends it over...
>> They *will* listen, to complaints in writing.
> how do you listen to writing?
Figuratively.
>> Phone calls & emails don't really count.
> I know, but that's what they told me was what happened.
Pardon?
>>> all done!!! yay!!!!!
>> Yay!! Well done!
> <~~~dances about very happily
Around the table or on it this time?
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 716-724.
Tennant Stuart
ten...@argonet.co.uk (Tennant Stuart) writes:
Errrr... are you in New York, Seran? :)
> In article <20010519175755...@ng-fj1.aol.com>,
toni4...@aol.comedyrules (Seran Perry) wrote:
>>>>>> Re-reposted for Seran in two parts - this is the first.
>>>>> okay, here goes! wish me luck!
>>>> Luck!
>>> Wish it!
>> I did! That was it!
> It was too loud!
Oh sorry - I'll say the capital letter very quietly - *uck
>>>>>>>> Phoebe & Rachel were better in the detail than their story
>>>>>>>> deserved, while Chandler & the Gellers had a cute tale that
>>>>>>>> was hijacked by an hilarious Phoebe at the end - so both
>>>>>>>> pieces amused & entertained.
>>>>>>> an hilarious?
>>>>>>> ^
>>>>>> But of course. Like "an hotel", but not like "a hill".
>>>>> I don't get it!
>>>> It depends on how strongly the initial H is sounded. You don't
>>>> pronounce "hill" like "ill", but you do pronounce "hotel" a bit
>>>> like "otel".
>>> Okay but yeah I see what you're geting at, I just didn't think it
>>> applied to writing, that's all.
>> No worries. :)
> so what did you say before that?
I've unsnipped the thread for you.
>>>> "Mari's Wedding" would be nice...
>>> errrr?
>> It's a traditional Highland song that shows off the fun side of
>> bagpipe music, and of course it's most appropriate.
> Of course it is. It's a reall col song. I'd think that tukish wedding
> music would go better. It's more interesting and jolly
On bagpipes?
>>>> The movie file of a woman grabbing Rachel's breasts looks as though
>>>> it was filmed at the studio. The audience looked most amused, though
>>>> their seating layout looks strange. At the very start it looks as
>>>> though the other woman has just been fondled.
>>> It looked a little bit staged to me, what do you reckon?
>> Oh yes, the pair are acting. But who's the other woman?
> Marcel said that the Dutch papers said it was Winona Ryder
Coo, I wish you'd said that before <watches the movie file again> well, it
*could* be Winona Ryder, but I don't think it is, I reckon her nose is too
big. And why aren't they wearing their costumes? There would be no studio
audience at a rehearsal.
>> But people said the show had run out of ideas in Seasons 4 & 6, and
>> they turned out to be wrong in Seasons 5 & 7.
> It should follow the same route as the muppet show. Anymore than 8
> seasons is too much for a sitcom nowadays
There would have to be 11 seasons to beat M*A*S*H and 12 to beat Cheers,
both of which weren't that long ago, and IMHO kept their quality up.
There were 120 episodes in The Muppet Show, so you'd have lost classics
like TOO the Last Night, TOW Ross Got High, TOT Could Have Been, TOW the
Ring, TOW the Proposal, TOW Phoebe's Cookies, TOW the Nap Partners, TOW
the Holiday Armadillo, TOW All the Cheesecakes, TOW Rosita Dies, TOW
They All Turn Thirty, and a few more that I can't mention here.
>> It's interesting to watch the first half of Season 6 with the French
>> sound switched on, since the actress voicing Monica doesn't screech.
> haha! So do the French fans not have a clue?
I dunno, the clever ones all speak English.
>>>> Phoebe actually said that evolution was true.
>>> <~~~in high pitched voice
>>> when?
>> In 203 "TOW Heckles Dies". Watch it carefully, for many get it wrong.
> I do watch it carefully, every time I watch it!
Well then, listen more carefully than Ross did...
PHOEBE: That's fine. Go ahead and scoff. You know, there're a lot of
things that I don't believe in, but that doesn't mean they're
not true. Like crop circles, or the Bermuda Triangle, or
evolution.
>>> What did Ross mean there are less people on the streets? I'm a little
>>> worried about that!
>> There are fewer people on the street in winter because it's cold, so
>> he's less likely to meet a beautiful woman waiting to be swept off her
>> feet.
> I thought he went after prossies
Oh. Do hookers only work in the summer, then?
>>>>> I like it when they're all hanging out at Monica's
>>>> Yes, there's been little of that, mainly due to them being away to
>>>> finish movies before the strike, so storylines were shot separately.
>>> They should have one day where they have to be in whether they like it
>>> or not
>> TV usually gives way to movies, which enjoy a higher status.
> Hollywood sucks.
Yeah.
>>>>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>>>>> that doesn't read as flirting....
>>>> Well, some R&R fans desperately read this as flirting.
>>> did it sound like flirting?
>> Yes, if you're desperate enough.
> oh right. I it was why would Ross say that anyway?
It's weight of the history. It screws everything up between them.
>>>>>> Hopefully, it will be on the DVD.
>>>>> hopefully I'll figure out how to use the DVD capabilities on the
>>>>> computer by then
>>>> Do you have a video card that supports DVD?
>>> a what?
>> Most PCs need extra hardware to play DVD video from a DVD ROM drive.
> I don't think we do...
You don't think you need it, or you don't think you have it?
>>>> Just this once, I'll let you off...
>>> <~~~looks at Tennant in shock, then passes out.
>> <~~~ gives Seran CPR, until she comes to.
> getcha face off me! I fainted, not stopped breathin!
Oh, okay. Shall I take my hands off your chest as well?
>>>>>>> If it was edible, do you think they would've eaten it off the floor?
>>>>>> What? The phone?
>>>>> yeah
>>>> No, because edible phones are more solid than cheesecake, so you can
>>>> just pick them up & dust them off. Yum!
>>> can't talk, passed out.
>> I've brought you round.
> You should've put me in the recovery position.
Sorry, the position you were already in looked pretty good to me... ;)
>>>>>>>> If Rachel would be singing another tune if she were fighting with
>>>>>>>> Phoebe over a ratchet, what about Monica, Chandler, Joey, & Ross?
>>>>> okay, let's see if I can remember... Chandler had a Chandelier, I
>>>>> remember that... I can't remember what I said for the others...
>>>> Errr, I don't remember you saying *anything* about this...
>>> Eh? what? oh right! yeah it never posted, it was one of those deleted
>>> before I got a chance to finish it posts.
>> So what about Monica, Joey, & Ross?
> I can't remember...
Kay
>>>>>>>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment,
>>>>>>>> but as Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the
>>>>>>>> left.
>>>>>>> really? I'll have a lok, and don't pester me this time! :)
>>>>>> Okay, I promise.
>>>>> I need more time!
>>>> I said I wouldn't pester you, so I shan't.
>>> meesa see it dis time
>> And?
> It's cool!
Yay! If you look at photos taken of the sets, the purple chair is right
out in front where the crew & audience can't help seeing it - but the
cameras tend to look past it so we at home don't know it's there.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant wrote:
>> Seran wrote:
>>> In a message dated Fri, 25 May 2001 3:41:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> ten...@argonet.co.uk (Tennant Stuart) writes:
>> Errrr... are you in New York, Seran? :)
> I shouldn't be...
It's just that you were on Eastern Daylight Time...
>>>>>>> okay, here goes! wish me luck!
>>>>>> Luck!
>>>>> Wish it!
>>>> I did! That was it!
>>> It was too loud!
>> Oh sorry - I'll say the capital letter very quietly - *uck
> Okay now I'm worried.
Wot?
>>>>>> "Mari's Wedding" would be nice...
>>>>> errrr?
>>>> It's a traditional Highland song that shows off the fun side of
>>>> bagpipe music, and of course it's most appropriate.
>>> Of course it is. It's a reall col song. I'd think that tukish wedding
>>> music would go better. It's more interesting and jolly
>> On bagpipes?
> no, on a zurna and a drum.
What's a drum?
>>>>>> The movie file of a woman grabbing Rachel's breasts looks as though
>>>>>> it was filmed at the studio. The audience looked most amused, though
>>>>>> their seating layout looks strange. At the very start it looks as
>>>>>> though the other woman has just been fondled.
>>>>> It looked a little bit staged to me, what do you reckon?
>>>> Oh yes, the pair are acting. But who's the other woman?
>>> Marcel said that the Dutch papers said it was Winona Ryder
>> Coo, I wish you'd said that before <watches the movie file again> well, it
>> *could* be Winona Ryder, but I don't think it is, I reckon her nose is too
>> big. And why aren't they wearing their costumes? There would be no studio
>> audience at a rehearsal.
> Was it a rehearsal? I don't know! Marcel also said not to trust Dutch
> tabloids...
Well, like I said, it can't be a rehearsal, for the audience is there.
But the actresses are not wearing their costumes from the scene in
"Friends", and since it's not a rehearsal, that means it's some other
show. Marita reckons that it's a clip from "Saturday Night Live", so
the woman on the left is not Winona Ryder.
>>>> But people said the show had run out of ideas in Seasons 4 & 6, and
>>>> they turned out to be wrong in Seasons 5 & 7.
>>> It should follow the same route as the muppet show. Anymore than 8
>>> seasons is too much for a sitcom nowadays
>> There would have to be 11 seasons to beat M*A*S*H and 12 to beat Cheers,
>> both of which weren't that long ago, and IMHO kept their quality up.
> I only saw Cheers, but my parents said it kind of deflated after a while.
Some people were too wrapped in the Sam & Diane will-they/won't-they plot
to handle the change to an ensemble (just like some people never survived
the ending of Ross & Rachel), but many other fans found Rebecca to be just
as good but in a different way, and welcomed the broadening of the show to
include stories featuring Carla, Norm, Cliff, Woody, Frasier & Lilith.
People who fell out of love with M*A*S*H mourned the loss of Trapper John,
Henry Blake, and mostly Radar - moving Klinger into a central role, making
Hotlips a nicer person, or the new characters BJ & Winchester. If they did
cope with that, then some of them couldn't handle the increase in dramatic
storylines as the war dragged on, taking its toll of the central character
Hawkeye Pierce as he descended into madness.
In both cases the quality never dropped off, but the shows did go through
changes over the years, with the inevitable loss of some early fans - yet
they did attract new viewers to keep their audiences up, while some of us
easily managed to stay the course and enjoyed the whole damned thing.
>> There were 120 episodes in The Muppet Show, so you'd have lost classics
>> like TOO the Last Night, TOW Ross Got High, TOT Could Have Been, TOW the
>> Ring, TOW the Proposal, TOW Phoebe's Cookies, TOW the Nap Partners, TOW
>> the Holiday Armadillo, TOW All the Cheesecakes, TOW Rosita Dies, TOW
>> They All Turn Thirty, and a few more that I can't mention here.
> Yeah I know. But still, you can't go on forever you know?
So you wish that those classic episodes of "Friends" had never happened?
>>>>>> Phoebe actually said that evolution was true.
>>>>> <~~~in high pitched voice
>>>>> when?
>>>> In 203 "TOW Heckles Dies". Watch it carefully, for many get it wrong.
>>> I do watch it carefully, every time I watch it!
>> Well then, listen more carefully than Ross did...
>> PHOEBE: That's fine. Go ahead and scoff. You know, there're a lot of
>> things that I don't believe in, but that doesn't mean they're
>> not true. Like crop circles, or the Bermuda Triangle, or
>> evolution.
> Oh, okay. Mean!
Grin.
>>>>> What did Ross mean there are less people on the streets? I'm a little
>>>>> worried about that!
>>>> There are fewer people on the street in winter because it's cold, so
>>>> he's less likely to meet a beautiful woman waiting to be swept off her
>>>> feet.
>>> I thought he went after prossies
>> Oh. Do hookers only work in the summer, then?
> Yes, because it gets cold in the winter, and they have to cover up, so
> it becomes less obvious.
Ah.
>>>>>>>> If Rachel was flirting with him, why did Ross knock her back?
>>>>>>> that doesn't read as flirting....
>>>>>> Well, some R&R fans desperately read this as flirting.
>>>>> did it sound like flirting?
>>>> Yes, if you're desperate enough.
>>> oh right. I it was why would Ross say that anyway?
>> It's weight of the history. It screws everything up between them.
> Does it?
Yes. That & the fact that he never really loved her, unlike Carol/Emily.
>>>>>>>> Hopefully, it will be on the DVD.
>>>>>>> hopefully I'll figure out how to use the DVD capabilities on the
>>>>>>> computer by then
>>>>>> Do you have a video card that supports DVD?
>>>>> a what?
>>>> Most PCs need extra hardware to play DVD video from a DVD ROM drive.
>>> I don't think we do...
>> You don't think you need it, or you don't think you have it?
> both I reckon.
Yes, I'm afraid that's one more con that's perpetrated on those who
buy Windoze machines. You can buy a pretty good stand-alone player
for around a hundred quid at most supermarkets these days.
>>>>>> Just this once, I'll let you off...
>>>>> <~~~looks at Tennant in shock, then passes out.
>>>> <~~~ gives Seran CPR, until she comes to.
>>> getcha face off me! I fainted, not stopped breathin!
>> Oh, okay. Shall I take my hands off your chest as well?
> God yes!
Okay. <g>
>>>>>>>>> If it was edible, do you think they would've eaten it off the floor?
>>>>>>>> What? The phone?
>>>>>>> yeah
>>>>>> No, because edible phones are more solid than cheesecake, so you can
>>>>>> just pick them up & dust them off. Yum!
>>>>> can't talk, passed out.
>>>> I've brought you round.
>>> You should've put me in the recovery position.
>> Sorry, the position you were already in looked pretty good to me... ;)
> Okay, nbexty timne you think theing like that,
> remember this, meesa seventeen, yousa Thirty five.
Lol - so would they have eaten the phone?
>>>>>>>>>> If Rachel would be singing another tune if she were fighting with
>>>>>>>>>> Phoebe over a ratchet, what about Monica, Chandler, Joey, & Ross?
>>>>>>> okay, let's see if I can remember... Chandler had a Chandelier, I
>>>>>>> remember that... I can't remember what I said for the others...
>>>>>> Errr, I don't remember you saying *anything* about this...
>>>>> Eh? what? oh right! yeah it never posted, it was one of those deleted
>>>>> before I got a chance to finish it posts.
>>>> So what about Monica, Joey, & Ross?
>>> I can't remember...
>> Kay
> <~~~Seran pokes her tongue out at Tennant.
Ooooo! <shivers of pleasure> thanks for that!
>>>>>>>>>> Not only was the apothecary table visible at Phoebe's apartment,
>>>>>>>>>> but as Rachel went out you can see the infamous purple chair on the
>>>>>>>>>> left.
>>>>>>>>> really? I'll have a lok, and don't pester me this time! :)
>>>>>>>> Okay, I promise.
>>>>>>> I need more time!
>>>>>> I said I wouldn't pester you, so I shan't.
>>>>> meesa see it dis time
>>>> And?
>>> It's cool!
>> Yay! If you look at photos taken of the sets, the purple chair is right
>> out in front where the crew & audience can't help seeing it - but the
>> cameras tend to look past it so we at home don't know it's there.
> Are there any on the offical site?
Dunno - try http://www.adamsfriendspage.go.to and click on "sets".
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant wrote:
>>>>> my hand hurts...
>>>> Awww - football?
>>> yup. Damn the football.
>> Damn *all* the footballs!
> I've given it up! Yay!
Good for you!
>>> y'know they expect me to play tomorrow? aren't they lovely!
>> When that great Day of Judgement comes
>> The Angel writes against your name
>> It matters not
>> Whether you won, or lost
>> But how you played the game.
> Well we lost 4-2 and it was because I was too scared to get the ball
> with my hand.
Oh - did you give up football, or did it give up you?
>>> apparantly me and JA belong together. not that I'm objecting to it, but
>>> Brad Pitt might have something to say.
>> Interesting. So, do you plan to become Seraniston?
> No!!!!!!!!! It's back! I don't believe it's back!!!!!!!
That was merely an extrapolation from "Seran Perry".
>> On more than one occasion you realise that Monica must truly love her,
>> as a friend not sexually, while the others just put up with her to a
>> certain extent. We so need to see how Monica came to take Phoebe in.
> Yeah! I'm still up on my theory, I forget what it was, but I've got it
> written down here somewhere.
Oh. Okay, sweetie, if you say so...
>>>> Maybe that's why we don't see much of Susan.
>>> why? what did Jessica Hecht do?
>> I don't know. It *seems* that she's too busy, but Carol only appears
>> once a season these days, and big-name movie stars find the time.
> Maybe they just want to do other stuff, or maybe they act in theatre or
> something?
I suspect "creative differences".
>> I've only been to movie auditions myself, which were much less
>> frightening than TV/theatre since they weren't open auditions.
> You audition? Cool! I've got another audition tomorrow for Agnes of
> God, I'm petrified!
As long as you don't mistake an actress for the maid, you'll be okay.
>>> You would be a good english teacher. right now explain Blake to me.
>> He was a revolutionary, who escaped from a ship taking him to a prison
>> colony. With a gang of six cutthroats & freedom fighters, they acquired
>> a vessel of their own, and set about challenging an oppressive regime.
> Do you even know who I'm talking about?
Yeah, the hero of "Blake's 7". :)
>>>>>>>> Will we see Joey as Jessica Ramoray kissing a man?
>>>>>>> that could be fun... oh no wait, we already saw that...
>>>>>> We've seen Joey as the man in a man-woman kiss...
>>>>>> ..we've even seen Joey in a man-man kiss...
>>>>>> ..but we've never seen Joey as the woman in a woman-man kiss.
>>>>> That will be very interesting!
>>>> Yep! Watch out for the cynics claiming that the writers forgot this.
>>> <~~~takes out the binoculars and watches out
>> You're so cute.
> er... thanks.
YW
>>>>>> I'm afraid so, sweetheart. You missed a MASSIVE treat.
>>>>> They will die!
>>>> Go get them, my little tigress...
>>> emmm, tigress?
>> Oh yes, I've seen you in action, very like Activia.
> What did Activia do?
She was the scourge of the spoiler brigade, one year ago.
>>>>>> You can have a transcript of that too, if you like.
>>>>> You sent them to me! thanx, but they wouldn't open... not good...
>>>> Not again. I thought you solved that? Winzip, and all that jazz.
>>> I don;t have winzip on this computer I think
>> You did once, but on February 5th you said that you would download
>> Winzip again when you got the chance. Ask Mari or Marita for help.
> You're forgetting I have a new computer, so I have to download it
> again, but I really can't be bothered. I've got more important things
> on my mind right now :)
Well, if you're not interested in my transcripts, just say so. :(
>>>> Okay. <gets the blooper show out, intending to just check the scene,
>>>> but ends up watching the whole damn thing, laughing arse off>
>>> gloat all you want! I will feel no pain....
>> Sorry. It's more likely to be shown on C4 than the supersized eps.
> Well I'll be there watching it.
And you'll love it.
>>>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>>>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners", where Joey cuddled up with Ross
>>>> in front of Phoebe & Rachel.
>>> hehe!!!! I wish we'd seen that! kinda reminds me of something that
>>> happened at school today..
>> Ooh, what?
> I was in an audience in a media studies project for a chat show and two
> guys behing me pretended to be gay, one was seven years younger and said
> he'd taught the older one a thing or too! You had to be there cause it
> was so hilariously funny! Especially after one of the guests walked off
Were they offended then, because they thought it was real?
>>>>> hehe! wait! why would Ross and Monica be sleeping?
>>>> Ross and Monica can sleep together, what's wrong with that?
>>> why would they be taking a nap together before the ceremony though?
>> They probably wouldn't be, but that was Joey's attempt to make Ross
>> come out of the nap partner closet.
> He didn't have long to wait. I want to see that ep again!
If the show had stopped after 120 episodes, you would never have seen it.
>> Try not to identify with your character after you leave the set. :)
> I don't, the person who says that line wasn't my character. I played a
> docker and Paula westerby, that line belonged to a Mrs Purkiss. I
> don't anyway, but after nine weeks of rehearsing and a week of being
> that person, it's hard to drag away sometimes, especially if you've
> got a great character!
I'm smiling, but my warning still stands...
>>>>> I must admit I'm in a minority for not being much fussed about Ross
>>>>> shouting PIVOT.
>>>>> how do you mean not much fussed? that was hilarious!
>>>> I admitted I was in a minority.
>>> I know, I was just asking what you meant by not much fussed. there's no
>>> other way of explaining what I mean.
>> Oh, sorry. I did not have strong feelings about PIVOT, one way or the
>> other. I found the scene to be neither hilarious nor annoying.
> how???? That's was so funny!
People find different things funny, and anyway it was stupid because Ross had
his two weakest friends to help him move the heavy sofa up the staircase.
>> The long versions *might* come up on C4 (the long pilot did) and the
>> blooper show probably will get an airing. Plus we (and the rest of the
>> planet) can easily buy the DVDs, which the poor Americans cannot.
> If it doesn't I will be very upset.
I'm very confident about the DVDs, since the 701-708 were long versions.
>>>>>> Wait until you see the list for S7-16... :(
>>>>> saw it, wept over it, murdered over it.
>>>> Bear in mind that the list could easily have been longer, but a lot of
>>>> time was saved in 4 big chunks, each of which could otherwise have been
>>>> a dozen smaller cuts. At least most of the best bits were left intact.
>>> you lost me.
>> I can't go into more detail under this heading for S7-15 so I'll post
>> an answer into the thread for S7-16.
> Okey dokes.
Have you seen it there?
>>>>>>> I'm gonna complain!
>>>>>> That you should, IN WRITING, to get Channel Four to show the full
>>>>>> versions of these four episodes in the autumn.
>>>>> they won't listen to me! anyway I think it's got something to do with
>>>>> how the US sends it over...
>>>> They *will* listen, to complaints in writing, phone calls & emails
>>>> don't really count.
>>> I know, but that's what they told me was what happened.
>> Pardon?
> They told me that the episodes they air are edited in USA and they just
> show what's been sent to them.
You're being fobbed off. Write to the organ grinder, not the monkey...
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant wrote:
>>>> Errrr... are you in New York, Seran? :)
>>> I shouldn't be...
>> It's just that you were on Eastern Daylight Time...
> My computer's weird.
Ah. Of course...
>>>>>>>>> okay, here goes! wish me luck!
>>>>>>>> Luck!
>>>>>>> Wish it!
>>>>>> I did! That was it!
>>>>> It was too loud!
>>>> Oh sorry - I'll say the capital letter very quietly - *uck
>>> Okay now I'm worried.
>> Wot?
> I can think of things.
It's "Luck" without the big loud "L".
>>>>> I'd think that tukish wedding music would go better. It's more
>>>>> interesting and jolly
>>>> On bagpipes?
>>> no, on a zurna and a drum.
>> What's a drum?
> Oh very funny. A Zurna is like an oboe, but harder to play
How can a zurna be harder to play than an oboe? I can't play an oboe.
>> The movie file of a woman grabbing Rachel's breasts looks as though it
>> was filmed at the studio. The audience looked most amused, though their
>> seating layout looks strange. At the very start it looks as though the
>> other woman has just been fondled. But the actresses are not wearing
>> their costumes from the scene in "Friends", and since it's not a
>> rehearsal, that means it's some other show. Marita reckons that it's a
>> clip from "Saturday Night Live", so the woman on the left is not Winona
>> Ryder.
> Was JA in SNL?
She presented it, and was very good apparently.
>> Some people were too wrapped in the Sam & Diane will-they/won't-they plot
>> to handle the change to an ensemble (just like some people never survived
>> the ending of Ross & Rachel), but many other fans found Rebecca to be just
>> as good but in a different way, and welcomed the broadening of the show to
>> include stories featuring Carla, Norm, Cliff, Woody, Frasier & Lilith.
>> People who fell out of love with M*A*S*H mourned the loss of Trapper John,
>> Henry Blake, and mostly Radar - moving Klinger into a central role, making
>> Hotlips a nicer person, or the new characters BJ & Winchester. If they did
>> cope with that, then some of them couldn't handle the increase in dramatic
>> storylines as the war dragged on, taking its toll of the central character
>> Hawkeye Pierce as he descended into madness.
>> In both cases the quality never dropped off, but the shows did go through
>> changes over the years, with the inevitable loss of some early fans - yet
>> they did attract new viewers to keep their audiences up, while some of us
>> easily managed to stay the course and enjoyed the whole damned thing.
> Maybe so, but things that go on forever get tired. TV wise that is.
> People have very low concentration spans, and they won't stay with
> Friends. Even if new people are going to watch, they'll watch the old
> episodes., see how didfferent it was. etc
Well, for starters, it all depends on the writing, and "Friends" has some
of the best writers going. But you're right, shows do need to fresh their
audiences, and indeed this happened when Chandler & Monica got together
after four seasons. Maybe another big change is needed for Season Nine.
>>>> There were 120 episodes in The Muppet Show, so you'd have lost
>>>> classics like TOO the Last Night, TOW Ross Got High, TOT Could Have
>>>> Been, TOW the Ring, TOW the Proposal, TOW Phoebe's Cookies, TOW the
>>>> Nap Partners, TOW the Holiday Armadillo, TOW All the Cheesecakes, TOW
>>>> Rosita Dies, TOW They All Turn Thirty, and a few more that I can't
>>>> mention here.
>>> Yeah I know. But still, you can't go on forever you know?
>> So you wish that those classic episodes of "Friends" had never happened?
> No, I hope that it ends on a happy note, that it finishes next season, and
> that if they don't have anymore seasons after season eight, then we won't be
> missing anything.
But the lesson of Season 7 is that you definitely would be.
>>>> Phoebe actually said that evolution was true.
>>>> PHOEBE: That's fine. Go ahead and scoff. You know, there're a lot of
>>>> things that I don't believe in, but that doesn't mean they're
>>>> not true. Like crop circles, or the Bermuda Triangle, or
>>>> evolution.
>>> Oh, okay. Mean!
>> Grin.
> No wait wait wait wait wait!!!!!!!! Okay! You listen to it carefully! She
> clearly states that she doesn't believe in Evolution! But she doesn't deny
> that it didn't happen!
There you go.
>>>> It's weight of the history. It screws everything up between them.
>>> Does it?
>> Yes. That & the fact that he never really loved her, unlike Carol/Emily.
> You know what? I think he did love her.
Not in the same way as Carol & Emily.
>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully, it will be on the DVD.
>>>>>>>>> hopefully I'll figure out how to use the DVD capabilities on the
>>>>>>>>> computer by then
>>>>>>>> Do you have a video card that supports DVD?
>>>>>>> a what?
>>>>>> Most PCs need extra hardware to play DVD video from a DVD ROM drive.
>>>>> I don't think we do...
>>>> You don't think you need it, or you don't think you have it?
>>> both I reckon.
>> I'm afraid that's one more con that's perpetrated on those who
>> buy Windoze machines. You can buy a pretty good stand-alone player
>> for around a hundred quid at most supermarkets these days.
> How's it a con?
Sorry, I misinterpreted what you said as not having hardware you needed
but you meant that you didn't have hardware you didn't need. So you
are all set to play the DVD of the supersized episodes then?
>>>>>>>>>>> If it was edible, do you think they would've eaten it off the
>>>>>>>>>>> floor?
>>>>>>>>>> What? The phone?
>>>>>>>>> yeah
>>>>>>>> No, because edible phones are more solid than cheesecake, so you
>>>>>>>> can just pick them up & dust them off. Yum!
>>>>>>> can't talk, passed out.
>>>>>> I've brought you round.
>>>>> You should've put me in the recovery position.
>>>> Sorry, the position you were already in looked pretty good to me... ;)
>>> Okay, nbexty timne you think theing like that,
>>> remember this, meesa seventeen, yousa Thirty five.
>> Lol - so would they have eaten the phone?
> Okay first of all, I wasn't being funny, and second of all:
> That was my question!
Drat! She noticed!
>>>> If you look at photos taken of the sets, the purple chair is right
>>>> out in front where the crew & audience can't help seeing it - but the
>>>> cameras tend to look past it so we at home don't know it's there.
>>> Are there any on the offical site?
>> Dunno - try http://www.adamsfriendspage.go.to and click on "The Set".
> eh, alright...
Well, only if you wanna...
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant wrote:
>>>>>> Errrr... are you in New York, Seran? :)
>>>>> I shouldn't be...
>>>> It's just that you were on Eastern Daylight Time...
>>> My computer's weird.
>> Ah. Of course...
> It has issues.
??
>>>>>>> I'd think that tukish wedding music would go better. It's more
>>>>>>> interesting and jolly
>>>>>> On bagpipes?
>>>>> no, on a zurna and a drum.
>>>> What's a drum?
>>> Oh very funny.
>> Oh sweetheart, you made my day! :)
> did I?
Yep.
>>> A Zurna is like an oboe, but harder to play
>> How can a zurna be harder to play than an oboe? I can't play an oboe.
> So because you can't play it... a zurna can't be harder? It is, you
> have to blow extra hard through a tiny reed and it makes a noise like
> a strangled duck!
That's what happens when I try to play an oboe.
>>> Was JA in SNL?
>> She presented it, and was very good apparently.
> We don;'t have that here do we?
Paramount showed it for a while, I guess the ratings were no good. The
twenty minute SNLs after S7-13 & S7-14 were quite funny though...
G.W.BUSH: Hello, America! I'm your new president. And keep in mind,
that's for a whole year.
(Bill Clinton nods smugly in agreement.)
G.W.BUSH: I have asked to speak to you tonight, in order to lay out
my... "agenda", for America. It's an ambitiious agenda. An
inovatiative agenda. But most of all, it's a compassionative
agenda. Compassionativity - the ability to compassionatize,
with others, that will be the hallmark-
(Clinton interrupts, and the audience goes mad with cheers & whistles.)
G.W.BUSH: America, we must stimulate our economy. This is not a time for
bipartisanshipfullness. Therefore, earlier today, I introduced
before Congress, a $1.6 trillion tax cut, that is retroactive,
which I think means you get money back that glows in the dark.
>> It all depends on the writing, and "Friends" has some of the best
>> writers going. But you're right, shows do need to fresh their
>> audiences, and indeed this happened when Chandler & Monica got together
>> after four seasons. Maybe another big change is needed for Season Nine.
> Can you think of anything?
Ross & Phoebe. :)
>>>>>> There were 120 episodes in The Muppet Show, so you'd have lost
>>>>>> classics like TOO the Last Night, TOW Ross Got High, TOT Could Have
>>>>>> Been, TOW the Ring, TOW the Proposal, TOW Phoebe's Cookies, TOW the
>>>>>> Nap Partners, TOW the Holiday Armadillo, TOW All the Cheesecakes, TOW
>>>>>> Rosita Dies, TOW They All Turn Thirty, and a few more that I can't
>>>>>> mention here.
>>>>> Yeah I know. But still, you can't go on forever you know?
>>>> So you wish that those classic episodes of "Friends" had never
>>>> happened?
>>> No, I hope that it ends on a happy note, that it finishes next season,
>>> and that if they don't have anymore seasons after season eight, then
>>> we won't be missing anything.
>> But the lesson of Season 7 is that you definitely would be.
> you don't know that, and I'd prefer not to know.
You don't know it wouldn't. Don't wish to be denied something that you
would love because you fear that it might disappoint you.
>>>>>> Phoebe actually said that evolution was true.
>>>>>> PHOEBE: That's fine. Go ahead and scoff. You know, there're a lot of
>>>>>> things that I don't believe in, but that doesn't mean they're
>>>>>> not true. Like crop circles, or the Bermuda Triangle, or
>>>>>> evolution.
>>>>> Oh, okay. Mean!
>>>> Grin.
>>> No wait wait wait wait wait!!!!!!!! Okay! You listen to it carefully!
>>> She clearly states that she doesn't believe in Evolution! But she
>>> doesn't deny that it didn't happen!
>> There you go.
> Wait, but I say that Phoebe doesn't believe in Evolution, but your
> saying she does.. I'm lost. oh no wait no I'm not... Phoebe said she
> doesn't believe in it, but she's not saying it happened either. she's
> just saying it could have happened.
Phoebe is very intelligent, and she has a complex position.
>>>>>> It's weight of the history. It screws everything up between them.
>>>>> Does it?
>>>> Yes. That & the fact that he never really loved her, unlike
>>>> Carol/Emily.
>>> You know what? I think he did love her.
>> Not in the same way as Carol & Emily.
> are you sure? tell me how?
Watch 114 "TOW the Candy Hearts" and 504 "TOW Phoebe Hates PBS" to see Ross
insisting to Carol & Emily how much he is in love with them even while they
are rejecting him, and while he is 'supposed' to be desirous of Rachel.
>> So you are all set to play the DVD of the supersized episodes then?
> I think so yeah
Good. Marita tells me that she has now bought a DVD player, with DVDs of
Seasons 5 & 6, and she is so stunned by the quality that she will never
again watch the episodes on the VCR... :)
>>>>>> If you look at photos taken of the sets, the purple chair is right
>>>>>> out in front where the crew & audience can't help seeing it - but the
>>>>>> cameras tend to look past it so we at home don't know it's there.
>>>>> Are there any on the offical site?
>>>> Dunno - try http://www.adamsfriendspage.go.to and click on "The Set".
>>> eh, alright...
>> Well, only if you wanna...
> Can't...
Yeah I know, after posting I checked the site and found that they've
had to be taken off, so you're too late.
T
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant wrote:
> okay good! you scared me!
Sorry.
>>>> On more than one occasion you realise that Monica must truly love her,
>>>> as a friend not sexually, while the others just put up with her to a
>>>> certain extent. We so need to see how Monica came to take Phoebe in.
>>> Yeah! I'm still up on my theory, I forget what it was, but I've got it
>>> written down here somewhere.
>> Oh. Okay, sweetie, if you say so...
> Something like Ross introduced them.
Oh yes? Do go on.
>>>>>> Maybe that's why we don't see much of Susan.
>>>>> why? what did Jessica Hecht do?
>>>> I don't know. It *seems* that she's too busy, but Carol only appears
>>>> once a season these days, and big-name movie stars find the time.
>>> Maybe they just want to do other stuff, or maybe they act in theatre or
>>> something?
>> I suspect "creative differences".
> you what?
That's what they say when an actor leaves a show after huge row.
>>>> I've only been to movie auditions myself, which were much less
>>>> frightening than TV/theatre since they weren't open auditions.
>>> You audition? Cool! I've got another audition tomorrow for Agnes of
>>> God, I'm petrified!
>> As long as you don't mistake an actress for the maid, you'll be okay.
> I don't think I will, I've got the same audition again on Sunday week-
> hang on, did you mistake an actress for a maid?
Yes. We were relaxing in the kitchen of this enormous luxury flat in Maida
Vale. She couldn't find the refrigerator, and she didn't know how to work
a cafetiere. She said that she hadn't been in the country long so I thought
that she was a new maid from someplace that speaks English, but later on it
turned out she'd just got back from a New Zealand shoot with Bob Redford.
>>>>> You would be a good english teacher. right now explain Blake to me.
>>>> He was a revolutionary, who escaped from a ship taking him to a prison
>>>> colony. With a gang of six cutthroats & freedom fighters, they acquired
>>>> a vessel of their own, and set about challenging an oppressive regime.
>>> Do you even know who I'm talking about?
>> Yeah, the hero of "Blake's 7". :)
> Nope, William Blake, complete nutter and poet.
Oh, him. If you ask me, the poor chap was poisoned by his own etchings.
>>>>>>>> I'm afraid so, sweetheart. You missed a MASSIVE treat.
>>>>>>> They will die!
>>>>>> Go get them, my little tigress...
>>>>> emmm, tigress?
>>>> Oh yes, I've seen you in action, very like Activia.
>>> What did Activia do?
>> She was the scourge of the spoiler brigade, one year ago.
> Where'd she go then?
I can't tell you. I do know, but it's in confidence. Sorry.
>> Well, if you're not interested in my transcripts, just say so. :(
> I've got a whole list of important things to do and think of before I read
> your transcripts. If you want the list let me know
Never mind. Sigh.
>>>>>> Okay. <gets the blooper show out, intending to just check the scene,
>>>>>> but ends up watching the whole damn thing, laughing arse off>
>>>>> gloat all you want! I will feel no pain....
>>>> Sorry. It's more likely to be shown on C4 than the supersized eps.
>>> Well I'll be there watching it.
>> And you'll love it.
> You'll have to tell me though cause for some reason this house doesn't
> believe in TV guides...
Sure - in that case you won't know that the finale is split over 2 weeks.
>>>>>> We saw an *extra*round* from the amazing Maid of Honour contest
>>>>>> in 706 "TOW the Nap Partners", where Joey cuddled up with Ross
>>>>>> in front of Phoebe & Rachel.
>>>>> hehe!!!! I wish we'd seen that! kinda reminds me of something that
>>>>> happened at school today..
>>>> Ooh, what?
>>> I was in an audience in a media studies project for a chat show and two
>>> guys behing me pretended to be gay, one was seven years younger and said
>>> he'd taught the older one a thing or too! You had to be there cause it
>>> was so hilariously funny! Especially after one of the guests walked off
>> Were they offended then, because they thought it was real?
> no, but the one that walked off is a Jehovahs Witness, he knew it was
> fake, but he didn't like it.
Nah, he wouldn't.
>>>> Try not to identify with your character after you leave the set. :)
>>> I don't, the person who says that line wasn't my character. I played a
>>> docker and Paula westerby, that line belonged to a Mrs Purkiss. I
>>> don't anyway, but after nine weeks of rehearsing and a week of being
>>> that person, it's hard to drag away sometimes, especially if you've
>>> got a great character!
>> I'm smiling, but my warning still stands...
> It's how I act, it's called method acting, just be your character for a
> little while, and then after a few weeks, you kind of lose it anyway.
Hmmm...
>>>>>>> I must admit I'm in a minority for not being much fussed about Ross
>>>>>>> shouting PIVOT.
>>>>>>> how do you mean not much fussed? that was hilarious!
>>>>>> I admitted I was in a minority.
>>>>> I know, I was just asking what you meant by not much fussed. there's
>>>>> no other way of explaining what I mean.
>>>> Oh, sorry. I did not have strong feelings about PIVOT, one way or the
>>>> other. I found the scene to be neither hilarious nor annoying.
>>> how???? That's was so funny!
>> People find different things funny, and anyway it was stupid because
>> Ross had his two weakest friends to help him move the heavy sofa up the
>> staircase.
> well his two stronger friends were unavailable
Not really. Phoebe was busy, but Monica & Joey were free.
>>>> The long versions *might* come up on C4 (the long pilot did) and the
>>>> blooper show probably will get an airing. Plus we (and the rest of the
>>>> planet) can easily buy the DVDs, which the poor Americans cannot.
>>> If it doesn't I will be very upset.
>> I'm very confident about the DVDs, since the 701-708 were long versions.
> really? cool!
Fingers crossed, okay?
>>>>>>>> Wait until you see the list for S7-16... :(
>>>>>>> saw it, wept over it, murdered over it.
>>>>>> Bear in mind that the list could easily have been longer, but a lot
>>>>>> of time was saved in 4 big chunks, each of which could otherwise
>>>>>> have been a dozen smaller cuts. At least most of the best bits were
>>>>>> left intact.
>>>>> you lost me.
>>>> I can't go into more detail under this heading for S7-15 so I'll post
>>>> an answer into the thread for S7-16.
>>> Okey dokes.
>> Have you seen it there?
> don;t think so...
It's in the review of S7-16.
>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna complain!
>>>>>>>> That you should, IN WRITING, to get Channel Four to show the full
>>>>>>>> versions of these four episodes in the autumn.
>>>>>>> they won't listen to me! anyway I think it's got something to do
>>>>>>> with how the US sends it over...
>>>>>> They *will* listen, to complaints in writing, phone calls & emails
>>>>>> don't really count.
>>>>> I know, but that's what they told me was what happened.
>>>> Pardon?
>>> They told me that the episodes they air are edited in USA and they just
>>> show what's been sent to them.
>> You're being fobbed off. Write to the organ grinder, not the monkey...
> If I have to..
Good girl.
Tennant Stuart
Seran wrote:
> Tennant wrote:
> an oboe sounds like a duck anyway. but that's what a zurna's supposed to
> sound like, well, if the rest of it isn't attached to the reed, once the
> whole things together, it makkes a lovely sound.
Are there any Turkish songs to go with it?
>> The 20 minute SNLs after S7-13 & S7-14 were quite funny <SNIP>
> haha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my God!
I'm so glad you liked that, it made typing it out worthwhile. :)
>>>> It all depends on the writing, and "Friends" has some of the best
>>>> writers going. But you're right, shows do need to fresh their
>>>> audiences, and indeed this happened when Chandler & Monica got
>>>> together after four seasons. Maybe another big change is needed for
>>>> Season Nine.
>>> Can you think of anything?
>> Ross & Phoebe. :)
> God no...
Oh?
> I don't fear that it will disappoint me, I jst think that Friends has
> run it's course.
Well I don't.
>> Phoebe is very intelligent, and she has a complex position.
> which means what to do with this?
You have to carefully weigh her words.
> what about TOW the beach?
Good example. All he had to do was say "it does" and they'd be married
with a couple of kids by now, but he loved his pride more than her.
>>>> So you are all set to play the DVD of the supersized episodes then?
>>> I think so yeah
>> Good. Marita tells me that she has now bought a DVD player, with DVDs
>> of Seasons 5 & 6, and she is so stunned by the quality that she will
>> never again watch the episodes on the VCR... :)
> reallly? right, time I bought some DVD's then...
Yep, although she warns that the realistic sound spooks the cat.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Seran wrote:
> Tennant wrote:
>>>>> I'm still up on my theory, I forget what it was, but I've got it
>>>>> written down here somewhere.
>>>> Oh. Okay, sweetie, if you say so...
>>> Something like Ross introduced Monica & Phoebe.
>> Oh yes? Do go on.
> can't remember, it's in one of my folders though..
That's a shame, it sounds interesting.
>>>> I suspect "creative differences".
>>> you what?
>> That's what they say when an actor leaves a show after huge row.
> Oh, that's why Leo left the theatre then/..
Could be.
>>> hang on, did you mistake an actress for a maid?
>> Yes. We were relaxing in the kitchen of this enormous luxury flat in
>> Maida Vale. She couldn't find the refrigerator, and she didn't know how
>> to work a cafetiere. She said that she hadn't been in the country long
>> so I thought that she was a new maid from someplace that speaks
>> English, but later on it turned out she'd just got back from a New
>> Zealand shoot with Bob Redford.
> hum, silly person... I just thought of something... I'll forget about
> it by the time I tell you though and it can't be said under this
> heading..
Oh. Too bad.
>>>>>>> You would be a good english teacher, explain Blake to me.
>>>>>> He was a revolutionary, who escaped from a ship taking him to a
>>>>>> prison colony. With a gang of six cutthroats & freedom fighters,
>>>>>> they acquired a vessel of their own, and set about challenging an
>>>>>> oppressive regime.
>>>>> Do you even know who I'm talking about?
>>>> Yeah, the hero of "Blake's 7". :)
>>> Nope, William Blake, complete nutter and poet.
>> Oh, him. If you ask me, the poor chap was poisoned by his own
> etchings.
> probably, it's all Greek to me, if anyone can make out what the hell
> he's talking about will they please let me in on it before I really
> freak out?
There are some very good commentaries on the internet.
Use your favourite search engine.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid so, sweetheart. You missed a MASSIVE treat.
>>>>>>>>> They will die!
>>>>>>>> Go get them, my little tigress...
>>>>>>> emmm, tigress?
>>>>>> Oh yes, I've seen you in action, very like Activia.
>>>>> What did Activia do?
>>>> She was the scourge of the spoiler brigade, one year ago.
>>> Where'd she go then?
>> I can't tell you. I do know, but it's in confidence. Sorry.
> eh, s'alright, sdidn't really know her anyway...
Okay.
>>>> Well, if you're not interested in my transcripts, just say so. :(
>>> I've got a whole list of important things to do and think of before I
>>> read your transcripts. If you want the list let me know
>> Never mind. Sigh.
> don't you sigh at me! You have no idea how busy or stressed out I've
> been lately! It's a wonder I get time to get on here and answer these
> mails at all! So don't be disappointed that I can't and won't read
> your transcripts because I really don;t have the time, and I don't
> have the patience right now! Okay?
I can sigh if I want to. Sigh.
>>>>> I was in an audience in a media studies project for a chat show and
>>>>> two guys behing me pretended to be gay, one was seven years younger
>>>>> and said he'd taught the older one a thing or too! You had to be
>>>>> there cause it was so hilariously funny! Especially after one of the
>>>>> guests walked off
>>>> Were they offended then, because they thought it was real?
>>> no, but the one that walked off is a Jehovahs Witness, he knew it was
>>> fake, but he didn't like it.
>> Nah, he wouldn't.
> quite a shame actually, it was well funny :) But it made good for the
> show
Lol
>>>>>> Try not to identify with your character after you leave the set.
>>>>> I don't, the person who says that line wasn't my character. I played
>>>>> a docker and Paula westerby, that line belonged to a Mrs Purkiss. I
>>>>> don't anyway, but after nine weeks of rehearsing and a week of being
>>>>> that person, it's hard to drag away sometimes, especially if you've
>>>>> got a great character!
>>>> I'm smiling, but my warning still stands...
>>> It's how I act, it's called method acting, just be your character for
>>> a little while, and then after a few weeks, you kind of lose it anyway.
>> Hmmm...
> what? that's what I do.
There are dangers.
>>>> It was stupid because Ross had his two weakest friends to help him
>>>> move the heavy sofa up the staircase.
>>> well his two stronger friends were unavailable
>> Not really. Phoebe was busy, but Monica & Joey were free.
> Joey wasn't free, and where was Monica?
You tell me what you think they were doing.
>>>>>>>>>> Wait until you see the list for S7-16... :(
>>>>>>>>> saw it, wept over it, murdered over it.
>>>>>>>> Bear in mind that the list could easily have been longer, but a
>>>>>>>> lot of time was saved in 4 big chunks, each of which could
>>>>>>>> otherwise have been a dozen smaller cuts. At least most of the
>>>>>>>> best bits were left intact.
>>>>>>> you lost me.
>>>>>> I can't go into more detail under this heading for S7-15 so I'll
>>>>>> post an answer into the thread for S7-16.
>>>>> Okey dokes.
>>>> Have you seen it there?
>>> don;t think so...
>> It's in the review of S7-16.
> Well send me your reply and I'll look for it...
Already done.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna complain!
>>>>> They told me that the episodes they air are edited in USA and they
>>>>> just show what's been sent to them.
>>>> You're being fobbed off. Write to the organ grinder, not the monkey.
> Okay my last stamp's gone, and I know I'm not going to be out of the
> house for the next week... this sucks...