Friends S6-09 - oh joy! Oh Judy!!
Tennant Stuart
609 "TOW Ross Got High"
This ensemble episode was such a joy!
After the last two I had been expecting a steady decline in the quality
of the show as Janine assumed an increasing importance in the storylines,
but instead her appearance lasted only 43 seconds. Even Gunther has had
bigger parts in the show!
It's Thanksgiving, and Monica has invited her parents, but first she must
warn Chandler that she's never admitted their relationship to them. Even
worse, the reason is that Jack & Judy hate him. This leads to a wonderful
joke as Chandler promises that his charm will win them over, as indeed he
won Monica, but she argues that he'd never get them *that* drunk!!!
Since Chandler is living with Monica, Ross is more like Joey's best bud,
and Janine invites them to a boozy uptown Thanksgiving party with all her
dancer friends, but Monica won't let them go until they've eaten. She is
showing enormous faith in Rachel by letting her prepare dessert, without
any back-up - presumably she remembers how much she was hurt by Judy who
once expected her cooking to "Pull A Monica".
Phoebe arrives looking gorgeous as usual, and notice that all three women
are dressed in red, while all the three guys are dressed in blue. But when
Monica's parents turn up, Chandler gets off on the wrong foot by assuming
that the dandruff on Jack's shoulder is snow - in November? Ah, I suppose
that could happen in America.
Meanwhile, Phoebe reveals to Rachel that she's been having erotic dreams
about Jack Geller. This could be the beginning of an extremely interesting
storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard Burke to Monica
by having an affair with her father. But sadly after a nap between courses
she informs Rachel that he cheated on her in the dream. This little story
resembled the time a dream made her mad at Ross, but it was worth it for
the sublime detail where Cousteau's pet seahorse was totally coming onto
her! Notice how at well at ease Rachel is with her now.
In a wonderful moment that proves Season Six can kick ass, Rachel proudly
tells Ross & Joey that she's preparing a traditional English trifle, with
multiple layers of sponge cake, jam, custard, raspberries, beef sauteed
with peas & onions, bananas, and whipped cream on top...
The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
*immediately* blame Chandler. This piece of sexual innuendo has puzzled
younger more innocent fans, (especially teenage girls), so I'll just say
that Ross & Joey were making a rude joke at Chandler's expense.
What presumably happened was that the pages became accidentally glued
together with the ingredients of some previous meal, and poor Rachel has
incorporated part of a recipe for Shepherd's Pie. (In fact that should be
lamb, since the beef equivalent is Cottage Pie, but never mind.)
But before Ross & Joey can warn anyone, another crisis develops. Judy
lets slip that the reason they've always hated Chandler is that he smokes
pot, whereas it was really Ross who'd once pinned the blame on Chandler.
The scene when Ross confesses has caused much confusion, since Chandler
happens to misunderstand. Ross was not caught at college, but at home in
his bedroom during the Spring Break of his sophomore year.
When Chandler tells Monica that Ross was caught smoking pot in college,
he's got it wrong. But that's not surprising, for it does make the third
cruel thing that Ross has done to him as a student, after naming him "Sir
Limps-A-Lot" when he lost a toe, and telling everyone that Chandler was
gay in order to steal away his girlfriend.
While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
of what to say, he ends up flirting with her as though she is the pizza
delivery girl. Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
the poor R&R fans.
Joey teaches the company how to act pleased with the trifle. His acting
lessons are always fun because although they seem daft they then come
true, and this was no exception as Monica pretends to enjoy the hideous
concoction. Phoebe very cleverly avoids eating the trifle on the grounds
that she's a vegetarian, and the others escape by taking their trifle
with them to (not) eat in private.
This just leaves Ross who bravely eats it to please Rachel, and Joey who
actually likes it - "What's to hate?" he asks! When she cross-examines
Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle, which closely
resembles Rachel's excuses for no longer having the presents that people
bought her, but this time she didn't seem to notice...
Monica runs out of patience, so confesses to her parents on Ross's behalf,
which leads to a marvellous sequence of escalating tattle-tales as she &
her brother reveal childhood secrets to Jack & Judy, culminating with the
news that Ross has married & divorced Rachel. However, this does not mean
that the divorce has come through yet, since it's still too early.
Everyone feels the need to join in, including Rachel as she discovers her
mistake, but oh joy, at long last I actually *liked* Judy Geller as she
took pains to answer each person's confession kindly but honestly, and in
a heartwarming moment she thanked Chandler for being such a good friend
to Ross over the years - and now that he's taken on Monica as well, he is
a wonderful human being!!!
This was a brilliant piece of work by Gregory S.Malins who has written
some lovely episodes in the past, and his idea of the Gellers pitting
Chandler against Monica & Ross was very clever.
Indeed, the story was such that I'm prepared to bet that anyone who read
a spoiler in advance would not have enjoyed it quite so much. I seems to
me that there was a delicacy about this script that depended on you not
knowing anything in advance, as compared to some episodes where you can
chant the lines in advance & it all just adds to the fun.
The whole cast (the main six and two long-standing guest artists) pulled
together into a strong ensemble, Monica wasn't too weird, we had nice R&R
and C&J moments, and Phoebe was of course 'different'. But best of all
there was very little of Janine, which brings me to a curious conclusion.
Could it be that Janine's story was cut back, and the irrelevant Phoebe
story invented to fill the holes? If you watch the opening again, it is
clear that a punchline was being set up, where Ross & Joey finally escape
from the apartment, and arrive at the dance studio, only to discover that
Janine's dancer friends were all male...
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 610-625.
Tennant Stuart
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Tom Hawley
> a spoiler in advance would not have enjoyed it quite so much. I seems to
> me that there was a delicacy about this script that depended on you not
> knowing anything in advance, as compared to some episodes where you can
> chant the lines in advance & it all just adds to the fun.
When I saw this initially it had been just days after I started poring over
the years scripts, and the revelations sequence wasn't as funny as it was
when I read it. Having been given time to forget exactly what was said over
the last 8-9 months I found it much funnier this time. I do think though,
that in this case, knowing nothing would have made it even funnier.
> Could it be that Janine's story was cut back, and the irrelevant Phoebe
> story invented to fill the holes? If you watch the opening again, it is
> clear that a punchline was being set up, where Ross & Joey finally escape
> from the apartment, and arrive at the dance studio, only to discover that
> Janine's dancer friends were all male...
Clear? Please explain, Tenannt :)
Paul Hyett
considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>
>609 "TOW Ross Got High"
>
>about Jack Geller. This could be the beginning of an extremely interesting
>storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard Burke to Monica
>by having an affair with her father.
She's never shown any signs of being bothered by that before.
>
>The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
>some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
>*immediately* blame Chandler. This piece of sexual innuendo has puzzled
>younger more innocent fans, (especially teenage girls), so I'll just say
>that Ross & Joey were making a rude joke at Chandler's expense.
It's very subtle - I didn't spot it first time through.
>
>While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
>to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
>of what to say, he ends up flirting with her as though she is the pizza
>delivery girl. Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
>pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
>the poor R&R fans.
But he does a nice 'old Ross' thing by eating the trifle, despite its
ingredients.
--
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Website at http://www.activist.demon.co.uk/USsitcoms/
Tennant Stuart
<onio...@which.net> wrote:
> Clear?
Very clear, Tom.
> Please explain, Tenannt :)
It was just my personal opinion, I'm happy for you. :)
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> stated this
> considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
> >609 "TOW Ross Got High"
> > Meanwhile, Phoebe reveals to Rachel that she's been having erotic
> > dreams about Jack Geller. This could be the beginning of an extremely
> > interesting storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard
> > Burke to Monica by having an affair with her father.
> She's never shown any signs of being bothered by that before.
Phoebe was very attracted to Richard when they first met, she said he
looked like James Bond, and started giggling when they shook hands. But
then Monica moved in, and Phoebe could see she was smitten. Just because
I said that Pheebs would get her revenge doesn't mean that she has been
resenting Monica all these years, for she was Phoebe's best friend.
> >The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
> >some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
> >*immediately* blame Chandler. This piece of sexual innuendo has puzzled
> >younger more innocent fans, (especially teenage girls), so I'll just say
> >that Ross & Joey were making a rude joke at Chandler's expense.
> It's very subtle - I didn't spot it first time through.
Yeah - the ruder the joke, the more casual they are about it.
> >While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
> >to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
> >of what to say, he ends up flirting with her as though she is the pizza
> >delivery girl. Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
> >pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
> >the poor R&R fans.
> But he does a nice 'old Ross' thing by eating the trifle, despite its
> ingredients.
Exactly, I liked old Ross. Mind you, even his passing the blame has been
seen in earlier seasons "you're mom's dog kept looking at me", but what I
don't like is his new Little Boy Lost expression...
Tennant
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>609 "TOW Ross Got High"
I looooooved it! Definitely ranking in my top 10. Of course, I have no such thing yet,
but if I did, it would be high up there!
>This ensemble episode was such a joy!
Yeah! =)
>After the last two I had been expecting a steady decline in the quality
>of the show as Janine assumed an increasing importance in the storylines,
>but instead her appearance lasted only 43 seconds. Even Gunther has had
>bigger parts in the show!
Yay for him! LOL
>It's Thanksgiving, and Monica has invited her parents, but first she must
>warn Chandler that she's never admitted their relationship to them. Even
>worse, the reason is that Jack & Judy hate him. This leads to a wonderful
>joke as Chandler promises that his charm will win them over, as indeed he
>won Monica, but she argues that he'd never get them *that* drunk!!!
Still, it looked like Chandler was pretty hurt that Mon didn't tell her parents about
their relationship at first.
>Since Chandler is living with Monica, Ross is more like Joey's best bud,
>and Janine invites them to a boozy uptown Thanksgiving party with all her
>dancer friends, but Monica won't let them go until they've eaten. She is
>showing enormous faith in Rachel by letting her prepare dessert, without
>any back-up - presumably she remembers how much she was hurt by Judy who
>once expected her cooking to "Pull A Monica".
Her cooking did pull a Monica! Don't you remember? They switched it. =)
>Phoebe arrives looking gorgeous as usual, and notice that all three women
>are dressed in red, while all the three guys are dressed in blue. But when
>Monica's parents turn up, Chandler gets off on the wrong foot by assuming
>that the dandruff on Jack's shoulder is snow - in November? Ah, I suppose
>that could happen in America.
LOL, I loved that!
"Whoa, snowin' out there?"
"No!"
LOL
"So I have dandruff, there's no need to laugh and point!"
"No, Dad, Chandler laughed at your joke"
"My joke wasn't funny!"
LOL
>Meanwhile, Phoebe reveals to Rachel that she's been having erotic dreams
>about Jack Geller.
"Jack Geller, dream-hunk!" LOL
>This could be the beginning of an extremely interesting
>storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard Burke to Monica
>by having an affair with her father.
LMAO! =)
>But sadly after a nap between courses
>she informs Rachel that he cheated on her in the dream. This little story
>resembled the time a dream made her mad at Ross, but it was worth it for
>the sublime detail where Cousteau's pet seahorse was totally coming onto
>her!
Phoebe makes really weird dreams, huh? =) So do I. =)
>Notice how at well at ease Rachel is with her now.
Yep!
>In a wonderful moment that proves Season Six can kick ass,
Sure, it can! =)
>Rachel proudly
>tells Ross & Joey that she's preparing a traditional English trifle, with
>multiple layers of sponge cake, jam, custard, raspberries, beef sauteed
>with peas & onions, bananas, and whipped cream on top...
Yuck, peas... LOL
She pulled a Rachel. =)
>The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
>some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
>*immediately* blame Chandler. This piece of sexual innuendo has puzzled
>younger more innocent fans, (especially teenage girls), so I'll just say
>that Ross & Joey were making a rude joke at Chandler's expense.
I guessed it, but wasn't 100% sure.
>What presumably happened was that the pages became accidentally glued
>together with the ingredients of some previous meal, and poor Rachel has
>incorporated part of a recipe for Shepherd's Pie. (In fact that should be
>lamb, since the beef equivalent is Cottage Pie, but never mind.)
Do you cook, Tennant? =)
>But before Ross & Joey can warn anyone, another crisis develops. Judy
>lets slip that the reason they've always hated Chandler is that he smokes
>pot, whereas it was really Ross who'd once pinned the blame on Chandler.
"I bet he's stoned again" =)
>The scene when Ross confesses has caused much confusion, since Chandler
>happens to misunderstand. Ross was not caught at college, but at home in
>his bedroom during the Spring Break of his sophomore year.
Jeez, there's only you to notice that kind of stuff... =)
>When Chandler tells Monica that Ross was caught smoking pot in college,
>he's got it wrong. But that's not surprising, for it does make the third
>cruel thing that Ross has done to him as a student, after naming him "Sir
>Limps-A-Lot" when he lost a toe, and telling everyone that Chandler was
>gay in order to steal away his girlfriend.
A girl he liked, not his girlfriend. =)
And, yes, Ross was being cruel...again! =)
>While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
>to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
>of what to say, he ends up flirting with her as though she is the pizza
>delivery girl.
He was not flirting!
>Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
>pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
>the poor R&R fans.
>
>Joey teaches the company how to act pleased with the trifle. His acting
>lessons are always fun because although they seem daft they then come
>true, and this was no exception as Monica pretends to enjoy the hideous
>concoction. Phoebe very cleverly avoids eating the trifle on the grounds
>that she's a vegetarian, and the others escape by taking their trifle
>with them to (not) eat in private.
Phoebe was awesome. =)
"Rachel this is a traditional English trifle, right? Now, did you make it with beef or
eggplant?"
"Beef"
"I can't have any, you know I don't eat meat, awwwww!!!"
>This just leaves Ross who bravely eats it to please Rachel,
I thought it was so sweet of him... =) The Ross from TOW Phoebe Runs would've never done
that. That's a "Ross from TOW A Chick. And A Duck" type of thing.
>and Joey who
>actually likes it - "What's to hate?" he asks!
The actual line is "What's to not like?", I believe. =) Joey's great, I love Joey. =)
>When she cross-examines
>Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle,
and seeming to enjoy it. =)
>which closely
>resembles Rachel's excuses for no longer having the presents that people
>bought her, but this time she didn't seem to notice...
>
>
>Monica runs out of patience, so confesses to her parents on Ross's behalf,
>which leads to a marvellous sequence of escalating tattle-tales as she &
>her brother reveal childhood secrets to Jack & Judy, culminating with the
>news that Ross has married & divorced Rachel. However, this does not mean
>that the divorce has come through yet, since it's still too early.
>Everyone feels the need to join in, including Rachel as she discovers her
>mistake, but oh joy, at long last I actually *liked* Judy Geller as she
>took pains to answer each person's confession kindly but honestly, and in
>a heartwarming moment she thanked Chandler for being such a good friend
>to Ross over the years - and now that he's taken on Monica as well, he is
>a wonderful human being!!!
I just LOVE this scene!!! It's probably my very favorite scene in the whole history of
Friends, and I almost know it by heart! Mmm, let's see, shall we? =)
--
MONICA: Mom, Dad, Ross smoked pot in college.
('Mom' and 'Dad' gasp)
ROSS: (to Monica) You are such a tattletale! (to Jack & Judy) Mom, Dad, remember the
time you came in my room and smelled marijuana?
JACK&JUDY:(They turn to Chandler giving him icy glares) Yes!
ROSS: Well I told you it was Chandler who smoked the pot, but it was me. I'm sorry.
JUDY: It was you?
MONICA: And Dad, y'know that mailman that you got fired? Didn't steal your Playboys!
Ross did!
ROSS: Yeah, well, hurricane Gloria didn't break the porch swing, Monica did!!
MONICA: Ross hasn't worked at the museum for a year!!!
ROSS: Monica and Chandler are living together!!!!
MONICA: Ross married Rachel in Vegas, and got divorced!! Again!!!
PHOEBE: I love Jacques Cousteau!!
RACHEL: I wasn't supposed to put beef in the trifle...
JOEY: I want to gooo...!
JUDY: (rubbing her temples) That's a lot of information to get in about thirty seconds.
Alright, Joey, if you wanna leave, just leave. Rachel, no you weren't supposed to put
beef in the trifle. It did not taste good. Phoebe, I'm sorry, but I think Jacques
Cousteau is dead. Monica, why you had to hide the fact that you were in an important
relationship is beyond me...
JACK: And we kinda figured about the porch swing!
JUDY: Ross, drugs... divorced... again?
JACK: What happened, son?
ROSS: I got tricked into all those things!
JUDY: And Chandler, you've been Ross' best friend all these years, stuck by him duing
the drug problems, and now you've taken on Monica as well... Well, I don't know what to
say... You are a wonderful human being!
CHANDLER: (*shocked*) Wow, thank you.
JACK: *No*! Thank *you*! (hugs Chandler) Monica, and Ross, I don't know what I'm gonna
do about the two of you!
CHANDLER: I'll talk to them...
--
>This was a brilliant piece of work by Gregory S.Malins
Definitely!! =)
>who has written
>some lovely episodes in the past, and his idea of the Gellers pitting
>Chandler against Monica & Ross was very clever.
Yep!
>Indeed, the story was such that I'm prepared to bet that anyone who read
>a spoiler in advance would not have enjoyed it quite so much.
I hadn't. =)
>I seems to
>me that there was a delicacy about this script that depended on you not
>knowing anything in advance, as compared to some episodes where you can
>chant the lines in advance & it all just adds to the fun.
>
>
>The whole cast (the main six and two long-standing guest artists) pulled
>together into a strong ensemble, Monica wasn't too weird, we had nice R&R
>and C&J moments, and Phoebe was of course 'different'. But best of all
>there was very little of Janine,
Yay! =)
>which brings me to a curious conclusion.
>
>Could it be that Janine's story was cut back, and the irrelevant Phoebe
>story invented to fill the holes? If you watch the opening again, it is
>clear that a punchline was being set up, where Ross & Joey finally escape
>from the apartment, and arrive at the dance studio, only to discover that
>Janine's dancer friends were all male...
Mmm... I don't know. =)
Adeline.
======
"The more I drink, the less there is for the kids to drink!" - Phoebe Buffay, 'Friends'
Alex Washtell
: In article <23$$zSAnje...@activist.demon.co.uk>, Paul Hyett
: <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
:
: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> stated this
: > considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
:
: > >609 "TOW Ross Got High"
:
: > > Meanwhile, Phoebe reveals to Rachel that she's been having erotic
: > > dreams about Jack Geller. This could be the beginning of an extremely
: > > interesting storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard
: > > Burke to Monica by having an affair with her father.
:
: > She's never shown any signs of being bothered by that before.
:
: Phoebe was very attracted to Richard when they first met, she said he
: looked like James Bond, and started giggling when they shook hands. But
: then Monica moved in, and Phoebe could see she was smitten. Just because
: I said that Pheebs would get her revenge doesn't mean that she has been
: resenting Monica all these years, for she was Phoebe's best friend.
:
:
: > >The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
: > >some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
: > >*immediately* blame Chandler. This piece of sexual innuendo has puzzled
: > >younger more innocent fans, (especially teenage girls), so I'll just say
: > >that Ross & Joey were making a rude joke at Chandler's expense.
:
: > It's very subtle - I didn't spot it first time through.
:
: Yeah - the ruder the joke, the more casual they are about it.
Trust me, a lot of teenage fans, including, and probably especially,
girls, will understand the joke.
Al
--
#I love you more, than I did the week before, I discovered alcohol.
Alex.W...@BTInternet.NOSPAMcom
Tennant Stuart
<alex.NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Trust me, a lot of teenage fans, including, and probably especially,
> girls, will understand the joke.
If you say so Alex. I don't personally agree, but I'm so not going to
argue the issue, that I will accept your POV. :)
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
> >609 "TOW Ross Got High"
> I looooooved it! Definitely ranking in my top 10. Of course, I have no
> such thing yet, but if I did, it would be high up there!
A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
> >This ensemble episode was such a joy!
> Yeah! =)
:)
> >After the last two I had been expecting a steady decline in the quality
> >of the show as Janine assumed an increasing importance in the storylines,
> >but instead her appearance lasted only 43 seconds. Even Gunther has had
> >bigger parts in the show!
> Yay for him! LOL
Yes, it would be nice to more of him. Perhaps un petit scene at home
with Jasmine & the Sphinx.
> >It's Thanksgiving, and Monica has invited her parents, but first she must
> >warn Chandler that she's never admitted their relationship to them. Even
> >worse, the reason is that Jack & Judy hate him. This leads to a wonderful
> >joke as Chandler promises that his charm will win them over, as indeed he
> >won Monica, but she argues that he'd never get them *that* drunk!!!
> Still, it looked like Chandler was pretty hurt that Mon didn't tell her
> parents about their relationship at first.
Oh yes, Mr.Perry portrayed this scene quite superbly, but as ever his
love for Monica was all.
> >Since Chandler is living with Monica, Ross is more like Joey's best bud,
> >and Janine invites them to a boozy uptown Thanksgiving party with all her
> >dancer friends, but Monica won't let them go until they've eaten. She is
> >showing enormous faith in Rachel by letting her prepare dessert, without
> >any back-up - presumably she remembers how much she was hurt by Judy who
> >once expected her cooking to "Pull A Monica".
> Her cooking did pull a Monica! Don't you remember? They switched it. =)
Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
In any case, by the end of 403 "TOW the 'Cuffs" (one of my favourite
episodes) Judy promised Monica that the next time she catered for her,
there would be nothing but ice in her freezer, and in the episode under
discussion Monica paid Rachel the same respect, thus proving that she
is so not the neurotic obsessive that some claim.
> > Phoebe arrives looking gorgeous as usual, and notice that all three
> > women are dressed in red, while all the three guys are dressed in
> > blue. But when Monica's parents turn up, Chandler gets off on the
> > wrong foot by assuming that the dandruff on Jack's shoulder is snow
> > - in November? Ah, I suppose that could happen in America.
> LOL, I loved that!
> "Whoa, snowin' out there?"
> "No!"
> LOL
> "So I have dandruff, there's no need to laugh and point!"
> "No, Dad, Chandler laughed at your joke"
> "My joke wasn't funny!"
> LOL
Matthew Perry is so on-form in this episode, proving that his character can
be very funny without the "quips" he was saddled with in the early years.
> >Meanwhile, Phoebe reveals to Rachel that she's been having erotic dreams
> >about Jack Geller.
> "Jack Geller, dream-hunk!" LOL
> > This could be the beginning of an extremely interesting
> > storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard Burke to
> > Monica by having an affair with her father.
> LMAO! =)
Indeed Adeline, a story with legs. :)
> >But sadly after a nap between courses
> >she informs Rachel that he cheated on her in the dream. This little story
> >resembled the time a dream made her mad at Ross, but it was worth it for
> >the sublime detail where Cousteau's pet seahorse was totally coming onto
> >her!
> Phoebe makes really weird dreams, huh? =) So do I. =)
Oh yes Adeline? Do tell... :)
> >Notice how at well at ease Rachel is with her now.
> Yep!
> >In a wonderful moment that proves Season Six can kick ass,
> Sure, it can! =)
Yep.
> >Rachel proudly
> >tells Ross & Joey that she's preparing a traditional English trifle, with
> >multiple layers of sponge cake, jam, custard, raspberries, beef sauteed
> >with peas & onions, bananas, and whipped cream on top...
> Yuck, peas... LOL
> She pulled a Rachel. =)
Lol - and not the first time, she lost Barry's ring in a lasagne...
> >The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
> >some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
> >*immediately* blame Chandler. This piece of sexual innuendo has puzzled
> >younger more innocent fans, (especially teenage girls), so I'll just say
> >that Ross & Joey were making a rude joke at Chandler's expense.
> I guessed it, but wasn't 100% sure.
Okay.
> >What presumably happened was that the pages became accidentally glued
> >together with the ingredients of some previous meal, and poor Rachel has
> >incorporated part of a recipe for Shepherd's Pie. (In fact that should be
> >lamb, since the beef equivalent is Cottage Pie, but never mind.)
> Do you cook, Tennant? =)
Hah, Jacqui taught me everything I know. :)
> >But before Ross & Joey can warn anyone, another crisis develops. Judy
> >lets slip that the reason they've always hated Chandler is that he smokes
> >pot, whereas it was really Ross who'd once pinned the blame on Chandler.
> "I bet he's stoned again" =)
A beautifully incisive way of introducing the title story.
> >The scene when Ross confesses has caused much confusion, since Chandler
> >happens to misunderstand. Ross was not caught at college, but at home in
> >his bedroom during the Spring Break of his sophomore year.
> Jeez, there's only you to notice that kind of stuff... =)
Thanks, you're too kind. :)
> >When Chandler tells Monica that Ross was caught smoking pot in college,
> >he's got it wrong. But that's not surprising, for it does make the third
> >cruel thing that Ross has done to him as a student, after naming him "Sir
> >Limps-A-Lot" when he lost a toe, and telling everyone that Chandler was
> >gay in order to steal away his girlfriend.
> A girl he liked, not his girlfriend. =)
Yes, but if not stolen she would have been his girlfriend.
> And, yes, Ross was being cruel...again! =)
Again! :)
> >While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
> >to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
> >of what to say, he ends up flirting with her as though she is the pizza
> >delivery girl.
> He was not flirting!
This is so, but notice I said "as though she is the pizza delivery girl".
RACHEL: Ross gets really nervous when he's flirting.
CAITLIN: Oh my God! That was flirting?!
> >Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
> >pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
> >the poor R&R fans.
> >Joey teaches the company how to act pleased with the trifle. His acting
> >lessons are always fun because although they seem daft they then come
> >true, and this was no exception as Monica pretends to enjoy the hideous
> >concoction. Phoebe very cleverly avoids eating the trifle on the grounds
> >that she's a vegetarian, and the others escape by taking their trifle
> >with them to (not) eat in private.
> Phoebe was awesome. =)
> "Rachel this is a traditional English trifle, right? Now, did you make it
> with beef or eggplant?"
> "Beef"
> "I can't have any, you know I don't eat meat, awwwww!!!"
Did you notice Phoebe's private smirk as she left the table?
> >This just leaves Ross who bravely eats it to please Rachel,
> I thought it was so sweet of him... =) The Ross from TOW Phoebe Runs
> would've never done that. That's a "Ross from TOW A Chick. And A Duck"
> type of thing.
Yes - it's nice to know that old Ross is still in there somewhere.
> >and Joey who actually likes it - "What's to hate?" he asks!
> The actual line is "What's to not like?", I believe. =) Joey's great, I
> love Joey. =)
Well, *actually* he says "What's not to like?", but your version was
nearer than mine. Joey was indeed very good, and it didn't hurt the
chances of a future R&J coupling that he would eat her cooking. :)
> >When she cross-examines
> >Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle,
> and seeming to enjoy it. =)
lol, yes. :)
> >which closely
> >resembles Rachel's excuses for no longer having the presents that people
> >bought her, but this time she didn't seem to notice...
> >Monica runs out of patience, so confesses to her parents on Ross's
> >behalf, which leads to a marvellous sequence of escalating tattle-tales
> >as she & her brother reveal childhood secrets to Jack & Judy, culminating
> >with the news that Ross has married & divorced Rachel. However, this does
> >not mean the divorce has come through yet, since it's still too early.
> >Everyone feels the need to join in, including Rachel as she discovers her
> >mistake, but oh joy, at long last I actually *liked* Judy Geller as she
> >took pains to answer each person's confession kindly but honestly, and in
> >a heartwarming moment she thanked Chandler for being such a good friend
> >to Ross over the years - and now that he's taken on Monica as well, he is
> >a wonderful human being!!!
> I just LOVE this scene!!! It's probably my very favorite scene in the
> whole history of Friends, and I almost know it by heart! Mmm, let's see,
> shall we? =)
Yes, let's... :)
> MONICA: Mom, Dad, Ross smoked pot in college.
> ('Mom' and 'Dad' gasp)
> ROSS: (to Monica) You are such a tattletale! (to Jack & Judy) Mom, Dad,
> remember the time you came in my room and smelled marijuana?
> JACK & JUDY:(They turn to Chandler giving him icy glares) Yes!
> ROSS: Well I told you it was Chandler who smoked the pot, but it was me.
> I'm sorry.
> JUDY: It was you?
> MONICA: And Dad, y'know that mailman that you got fired? Didn't steal your
> Playboys! Ross did!
> ROSS: Yeah, well, hurricane Gloria didn't break the porch swing, Monica
> did!!
> MONICA: Ross hasn't worked at the museum for a year!!!
> ROSS: Monica and Chandler are living together!!!!
> MONICA: Ross married Rachel in Vegas, and got divorced!! Again!!!
> PHOEBE: I love Jacques Cousteau!!
> RACHEL: I wasn't supposed to put beef in the trifle...
> JOEY: I want to gooo...!
> JUDY: (rubbing her temples) That's a lot of information to get in about
> thirty seconds. Alright, Joey, if you wanna leave, just leave. Rachel,
> no you weren't supposed to put beef in the trifle. It did not taste good.
> Phoebe, I'm sorry, but I think Jacques Cousteau is dead. Monica, why you
> had to hide the fact you were in an important relationship is beyond me...
> JACK: And we kinda figured about the porch swing!
> JUDY: Ross, drugs... divorced... again?
> JACK: What happened, son?
> ROSS: I got tricked into all those things!
> JUDY: And Chandler, you've been Ross' best friend all these years, stuck
> by him during the drug problems, and now you've taken on Monica as well...
> Well, I don't know what to say... You are a wonderful human being!
> CHANDLER: (*shocked*) Wow, thank you.
> JACK: *No*! Thank *you*! (hugs Chandler) Monica, and Ross, I don't know
> what I'm gonna do about the two of you!
> CHANDLER: I'll talk to them...
Yes Adeline, wonderful stuff, proving that this season is up to standard.
> >This was a brilliant piece of work by Gregory S.Malins
> Definitely!! =)
> >who has written
> >some lovely episodes in the past, and his idea of the Gellers pitting
> >Chandler against Monica & Ross was very clever.
> Yep!
> >Indeed, the story was such that I'm prepared to bet that anyone who read
> >a spoiler in advance would not have enjoyed it quite so much.
> I hadn't. =)
Well, there you go, then. :)
> >I seems to
> >me that there was a delicacy about this script that depended on you not
> >knowing anything in advance, as compared to some episodes where you can
> >chant the lines in advance & it all just adds to the fun.
> >The whole cast (the main six and two long-standing guest artists) pulled
> >together into a strong ensemble, Monica wasn't too weird, we had nice R&R
> >and C&J moments, and Phoebe was of course 'different'. But best of all
> >there was very little of Janine,
> Yay! =)
I quite agree. :)
> >which brings me to a curious conclusion.
> >Could it be that Janine's story was cut back, and the irrelevant Phoebe
> >story invented to fill the holes? If you watch the opening again, it is
> >clear that a punchline was being set up, where Ross & Joey finally escape
> >from the apartment, and arrive at the dance studio, only to discover that
> >Janine's dancer friends were all male...
> Mmm... I don't know. =)
I think the idea is a definite starter. Can anyone comment with authority?
Larissa?
Tennant
Alex Washtell
: In article <v0qmrsgpgp729tpur...@4ax.com>, Alex Washtell
: <alex.NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote:
:
: > Trust me, a lot of teenage fans, including, and probably especially,
: > girls, will understand the joke.
:
: If you say so Alex. I don't personally agree, but I'm so not going to
: argue the issue, that I will accept your POV. :)
Hmm.. it depends, do you know some teenagers who have told you they
don't understand the joke?
All I wanna say is.. I guess that *every* guy & girl in my year at
college, will know what that means :)
Al - But thanks for being polite :)
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|In article <v0qmrsgpgp729tpur...@4ax.com>, Alex Washtell
|<alex.NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote:
|
|> Trust me, a lot of teenage fans, including, and probably especially,
|> girls, will understand the joke.
|
|If you say so Alex. I don't personally agree, but I'm so not going to
|argue the issue, that I will accept your POV. :)
I'm a teenage girl and I got it. Maybe I just have a dirty mind though.
Sal
> > > girls, will understand the joke.
>
> > If you say so Alex. I don't personally agree, but I'm so not going to
> > argue the issue, that I will accept your POV. :)
>
> I'm a teenage girl and I got it. Maybe I just have a dirty mind though.
Not wanting to push the issue...but in my school more of us "innocent"
teenage girls got the joke than the lads...
I think the times they are a-changing...the pages together joke is something
we've laughed at since the start of Year 7 [our dirty minds were born with
the shock of starting secondary school :):):) ]
CandiGrrl
Sal wrote in message <8pj8g3$cud$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>...
"A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste!" (Steel Magnolias, yet another
Julia Roberts movie)
|
|
|
Alex Washtell
: > > > Trust me, a lot of teenage fans, including, and probably especially,
*There* ya go :) Thanks for proving my thoughts :)
Al - Not that I think about pages being stuck together a lot.. or.. at
all
Tennant Stuart
<alex.NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hmm.. it depends, do you know some teenagers who have told you they
> don't understand the joke? All I wanna say is.. I guess that *every*
> guy & girl in my year at college, will know what that means :)
What about 13-16 year-old girls?
Tennant Stuart
<no....@ignore.this.addy.com> wrote:
> Not wanting to push the issue...but in my school more of us "innocent"
> teenage girls got the joke than the lads...
> I think the times they are a-changing...the pages together joke is
> something we've laughed at since the start of Year 7 [our dirty minds
> were born with the shock of starting secondary school :):):) ]
What about other countries around the world?
Alex Washtell
: In article <555qrs8mqc0puuprd...@4ax.com>, Alex Washtell
: <alex.NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote:
:
: > Hmm.. it depends, do you know some teenagers who have told you they
: > don't understand the joke? All I wanna say is.. I guess that *every*
: > guy & girl in my year at college, will know what that means :)
:
: What about 13-16 year-old girls?
In these times, yes, them too.
Al
Alex Washtell
: In article <8pj8g3$cud$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>, "Sal"
: <no....@ignore.this.addy.com> wrote:
:
: > Not wanting to push the issue...but in my school more of us "innocent"
: > teenage girls got the joke than the lads...
:
: > I think the times they are a-changing...the pages together joke is
: > something we've laughed at since the start of Year 7 [our dirty minds
: > were born with the shock of starting secondary school :):):) ]
:
: What about other countries around the world?
How many countries see Friends + have adults that understand that joke?
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8pe4ai$lmd$6...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>> >609 "TOW Ross Got High"
>
>> I looooooved it! Definitely ranking in my top 10. Of course, I have no
>> such thing yet, but if I did, it would be high up there!
>
>A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
Yeah =)
>> >After the last two I had been expecting a steady decline in the quality
>> >of the show as Janine assumed an increasing importance in the storylines,
>> >but instead her appearance lasted only 43 seconds. Even Gunther has had
>> >bigger parts in the show!
>
>> Yay for him! LOL
>
>Yes, it would be nice to more of him. Perhaps un petit scene at home
>with Jasmine & the Sphinx.
(une petite) Yeah, that would be nice.
>> >It's Thanksgiving, and Monica has invited her parents, but first she must
>> >warn Chandler that she's never admitted their relationship to them. Even
>> >worse, the reason is that Jack & Judy hate him. This leads to a wonderful
>> >joke as Chandler promises that his charm will win them over, as indeed he
>> >won Monica, but she argues that he'd never get them *that* drunk!!!
>
>> Still, it looked like Chandler was pretty hurt that Mon didn't tell her
>> parents about their relationship at first.
>
>Oh yes, Mr.Perry portrayed this scene quite superbly, but as ever his
>love for Monica was all.
Yep! Da Chandlove was stronger than anything. =)
>> >Since Chandler is living with Monica, Ross is more like Joey's best bud,
>> >and Janine invites them to a boozy uptown Thanksgiving party with all her
>> >dancer friends, but Monica won't let them go until they've eaten. She is
>> >showing enormous faith in Rachel by letting her prepare dessert, without
>> >any back-up - presumably she remembers how much she was hurt by Judy who
>> >once expected her cooking to "Pull A Monica".
>
>> Her cooking did pull a Monica! Don't you remember? They switched it. =)
>
>Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
(nouvelle) Says who? I accept it.
>In any case, by the end of 403 "TOW the 'Cuffs" (one of my favourite
>episodes) Judy promised Monica that the next time she catered for her,
>there would be nothing but ice in her freezer, and in the episode under
>discussion Monica paid Rachel the same respect, thus proving that she
>is so not the neurotic obsessive that some claim.
Yeah I noticed that too... and it *was* unlike Monica.
>> > Phoebe arrives looking gorgeous as usual, and notice that all three
>> > women are dressed in red, while all the three guys are dressed in
>> > blue. But when Monica's parents turn up, Chandler gets off on the
>> > wrong foot by assuming that the dandruff on Jack's shoulder is snow
>> > - in November? Ah, I suppose that could happen in America.
>
>> LOL, I loved that!
>
>> "Whoa, snowin' out there?"
>> "No!"
>
>> LOL
>
>> "So I have dandruff, there's no need to laugh and point!"
>> "No, Dad, Chandler laughed at your joke"
>> "My joke wasn't funny!"
>
>> LOL
>
>Matthew Perry is so on-form in this episode, proving that his character can
>be very funny without the "quips" he was saddled with in the early years.
Yeah, he kicks ass!!
But of course I'm biased... =)
>> > This could be the beginning of an extremely interesting
>> > storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard Burke to
>> > Monica by having an affair with her father.
>
>> LMAO! =)
>
>Indeed Adeline, a story with legs. :)
LOL, yeah. =)
>> >But sadly after a nap between courses
>> >she informs Rachel that he cheated on her in the dream. This little story
>> >resembled the time a dream made her mad at Ross, but it was worth it for
>> >the sublime detail where Cousteau's pet seahorse was totally coming onto
>> >her!
>
>> Phoebe makes really weird dreams, huh? =) So do I. =)
>
>Oh yes Adeline? Do tell... :)
Ok, but that's waaay OT. And please forget it as soon as you've read it, 'k?
Ok, here goes, it was about a year ago. I dreamed, sorry, dreamT, that George Clooney
was visiting 'my hometown' (why, I don't know!). Well, more like a cross between my
hometown and Paris, actually. My school and my house were there but that's about it. I'm
his tour guide, and as we're visiting the Louvre, Celine shows up, looking at me with
disdain and says she & George have to talk (the bitch! LOL). So, they talk, and part,
and then a lot of stuff I can't exactly remember happens. On his last day 'here' we're
walking along the Seine as the dusk falls, and he sets a boat on which tens of teens are
partying on fire (told you it was a weird dream!) and shoves it in the middle of the
river (how strong! LOL). Then he looks up and says he doesn't know what came over him
and he would *never* do that (Thank God!) and tells me to call for help (He's only taken
4 years of French in high school, sooo...). I rush to a phone box and call the firemen.
When I get back, (...gettin' weirder...) he's turned into Will Smith! LOL. Then,
*somehow*, I'm in this coach filled with prissy old twits (sound familiar? =)). Seems
like *we*'re the 'help' *I* called! (Whaddya want, anything's possible in my
dreamworld!) And there's traffic, so I'm worried we won't make it in time, *and* upset
that George turned into Will. Anyway, we take a shortcut and when we arrive, it turns
out firemen were already there and the kids are safe. But despite being late, George has
waited for me cause he wanted to thank me (awww!). He says I'm a great friend and he'll
never forget me (awww! again), and hugs me (Awwwwwwww... Ohhh, I can still see it =)) .
. .
"Adeline? Adeline?!"
"Ohhh, Dad, shut up, I'm dreaming!!"
>> >Rachel proudly
>> >tells Ross & Joey that she's preparing a traditional English trifle, with
>> >multiple layers of sponge cake, jam, custard, raspberries, beef sauteed
>> >with peas & onions, bananas, and whipped cream on top...
>
>> Yuck, peas... LOL
>> She pulled a Rachel. =)
>
>Lol - and not the first time, she lost Barry's ring in a lasagne...
LOL, yeah! Although, at least the lasagne was edible... Oh, no, wait, I forgot Joey will
eat anything. =)
>> >What presumably happened was that the pages became accidentally glued
>> >together with the ingredients of some previous meal, and poor Rachel has
>> >incorporated part of a recipe for Shepherd's Pie. (In fact that should be
>> >lamb, since the beef equivalent is Cottage Pie, but never mind.)
>
>> Do you cook, Tennant? =)
>
>Hah, Jacqui taught me everything I know. :)
Oh, and how much is that? Just curious.
>> >But before Ross & Joey can warn anyone, another crisis develops. Judy
>> >lets slip that the reason they've always hated Chandler is that he smokes
>> >pot, whereas it was really Ross who'd once pinned the blame on Chandler.
>
>> "I bet he's stoned again" =)
>
>A beautifully incisive way of introducing the title story.
Yep!
>> >The scene when Ross confesses has caused much confusion, since Chandler
>> >happens to misunderstand. Ross was not caught at college, but at home in
>> >his bedroom during the Spring Break of his sophomore year.
>
>> Jeez, there's only you to notice that kind of stuff... =)
>
>Thanks, you're too kind. :)
Am not! =)
>> >When Chandler tells Monica that Ross was caught smoking pot in college,
>> >he's got it wrong. But that's not surprising, for it does make the third
>> >cruel thing that Ross has done to him as a student, after naming him "Sir
>> >Limps-A-Lot" when he lost a toe, and telling everyone that Chandler was
>> >gay in order to steal away his girlfriend.
>
>> A girl he liked, not his girlfriend. =)
>
>Yes, but if not stolen she would have been his girlfriend.
Who's to say?
>> And, yes, Ross was being cruel...again! =)
>
>Again! :)
Do we even know if this was before, or after the Sir Limpsalot incident?
>> >While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
>> >to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
>> >of what to say, he ends up flirting with her as though she is the pizza
>> >delivery girl.
>
>> He was not flirting!
>
>This is so, but notice I said "as though she is the pizza delivery girl".
Yeah, but still, I can tell, he was not flirting. Plus, Ross has always been straight
with Rachel, he was merely trying to keep her away from Joey's little briefing here.
IMO.
>RACHEL: Ross gets really nervous when he's flirting.
Okay, but he wasn't nervous here! IMO =)
>> >Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
>> >pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
>> >the poor R&R fans.
>
>> >Joey teaches the company how to act pleased with the trifle. His acting
>> >lessons are always fun because although they seem daft they then come
>> >true, and this was no exception as Monica pretends to enjoy the hideous
>> >concoction. Phoebe very cleverly avoids eating the trifle on the grounds
>> >that she's a vegetarian, and the others escape by taking their trifle
>> >with them to (not) eat in private.
>
>> Phoebe was awesome. =)
>
>> "Rachel this is a traditional English trifle, right? Now, did you make it
>> with beef or eggplant?"
>> "Beef"
>> "I can't have any, you know I don't eat meat, awwwww!!!"
>
>Did you notice Phoebe's private smirk as she left the table?
Yeah, and I laughed. =)
>> >This just leaves Ross who bravely eats it to please Rachel,
>
>> I thought it was so sweet of him... =) The Ross from TOW Phoebe Runs
>> would've never done that. That's a "Ross from TOW A Chick. And A Duck"
>> type of thing.
>
>Yes - it's nice to know that old Ross is still in there somewhere.
Oops, I said TOW Phoebe Runs? I meant another, later, episode, sorry.
>> >and Joey who actually likes it - "What's to hate?" he asks!
>
>> The actual line is "What's to not like?", I believe. =) Joey's great, I
>> love Joey. =)
>
>Well, *actually* he says "What's not to like?", but your version was
>nearer than mine.
That's what I thought! That db will get the best of me.
>Joey was indeed very good, and it didn't hurt the
>chances of a future R&J coupling
Not gonna happen... =)
>that he would eat her cooking. :)
Joey will eat anything! =)
>> >When she cross-examines
>> >Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle,
>
>> and seeming to enjoy it. =)
>
>lol, yes. :)
...but eventually dropping it, awwwww!!! (The Phoebe Version (tm))
>> I just LOVE this scene!!! It's probably my very favorite scene in the
>> whole history of Friends, and I almost know it by heart! Mmm, let's see,
>> shall we? =)
>
>Yes, let's... :)
<snip>
>Yes Adeline, wonderful stuff,
Aren't I good? LOL
>proving that this season is up to standard.
Definitely!
>> >Indeed, the story was such that I'm prepared to bet that anyone who read
>> >a spoiler in advance would not have enjoyed it quite so much.
>
>> I hadn't. =)
>
>Well, there you go, then. :)
But, had I had the Internet at home when it first aired in the US, I would've...
>> >The whole cast (the main six and two long-standing guest artists) pulled
>> >together into a strong ensemble, Monica wasn't too weird, we had nice R&R
>> >and C&J moments, and Phoebe was of course 'different'. But best of all
>> >there was very little of Janine,
>
>> Yay! =)
>
>I quite agree. :)
LOL, okay.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
> >> I looooooved it! Definitely ranking in my top 10. Of course, I have no
> >> such thing yet, but if I did, it would be high up there!
> >A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
> Yeah =)
Yepitty :)
> >Oh yes, Mr.Perry portrayed this scene quite superbly, but as ever his
> >love for Monica was all.
> Yep! Da Chandlove was stronger than anything. =)
Ooh, "Chandlove"! Nice coinage. :)
> >> Her cooking did pull a Monica! Don't you remember? They switched it. =)
> >Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
> (nouvelle)
Why is it "nouveau riche" then?
> Says who? I accept it.
Says Monica & Judy?
> >In any case, by the end of 403 "TOW the 'Cuffs" (one of my favourite
> >episodes) Judy promised Monica that the next time she catered for her,
> >there would be nothing but ice in her freezer, and in the episode under
> >discussion Monica paid Rachel the same respect, thus proving that she
> >is so not the neurotic obsessive that some claim.
> Yeah I noticed that too... and it *was* unlike Monica.
Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike Monica,
and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her friends say she
has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely ex-husband).
>> Matthew Perry is so on-form in this episode, proving that his
>> character can be very funny without the "quips" he was saddled
>> with in the early years.
> Yeah, he kicks ass!!
> But of course I'm biased... =)
A lot of us are. :)
> >> Phoebe makes really weird dreams, huh? =) So do I. =)
> >Oh yes Adeline? Do tell... :)
> Ok, but that's waaay OT.
No sweat.
> And please forget it as soon as you've read it, 'k?
K
> Ok, here goes, <The big snip of forgetfulness>
> "Adeline? Adeline?!"
> "Ohhh, Dad, shut up, I'm dreaming!!"
Lol, very good, but I've had *much* weirder dreams than that... :)
> LOL, yeah! Although, at least the lasagne was edible... Oh, no, wait, I
> forgot Joey will eat anything. =)
Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat something?
> >Hah, Jacqui taught me everything I know. :)
> Oh, and how much is that? Just curious.
All I meant was that we debated the trifle at HUGE length last March,
wherein Jacqui's culinary & linguistic skills were exemplary.
> >> Jeez, there's only you to notice that kind of stuff... =)
> >Thanks, you're too kind. :)
> Am not! =)
Okay, you win. :)
> >> A girl he liked, not his girlfriend. =)
> >Yes, but if not stolen she would have been his girlfriend.
> Who's to say?
I'm surmising. :P
> >> And, yes, Ross was being cruel...again! =)
> >Again! :)
> Do we even know if this was before, or after the Sir Limpsalot incident?
The Sir Limpsalot incident when they had been at college together for at
least a year, by which time all the pretty girls would know that Chandler
was not gay, by how he reacted to them.
> >This is so, but notice I said "as though she is the pizza delivery girl".
> Yeah, but still, I can tell, he was not flirting. Plus, Ross has always
> been straight with Rachel, he was merely trying to keep her away from
> Joey's little briefing here. IMO.
Oh he was, that's for sure.
> >RACHEL: Ross gets really nervous when he's flirting.
> Okay, but he wasn't nervous here! IMO =)
Oh he was, that's for sure.
> >> I thought it was so sweet of him... =) The Ross from TOW Phoebe Runs
> >> would've never done that. That's a "Ross from TOW A Chick. And A Duck"
> >> type of thing.
> >Yes - it's nice to know that old Ross is still in there somewhere.
> Oops, I said TOW Phoebe Runs? I meant another, later, episode, sorry.
Oh! Did you?
> >Joey was indeed very good, and it didn't hurt the
> >chances of a future R&J coupling
> Not gonna happen... =)
Who knows?
> >that he would eat her cooking. :)
> Joey will eat anything! =)
Even so...
> >> >When she cross-examines
> >> >Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle,
> >> and seeming to enjoy it. =)
> >lol, yes. :)
> ...but eventually dropping it, awwwww!!! (The Phoebe Version (tm))
When was this?
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8q0ebn$i1j$1...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>> >> I looooooved it! Definitely ranking in my top 10. Of course, I have no
>> >> such thing yet, but if I did, it would be high up there!
>
>> >A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>
>> Yeah =)
>
>Yepitty :)
Damn! LOL
>> >Oh yes, Mr.Perry portrayed this scene quite superbly, but as ever his
>> >love for Monica was all.
>
>> Yep! Da Chandlove was stronger than anything. =)
>
>Ooh, "Chandlove"! Nice coinage. :)
Heehee, thanks! =)
>> >> Her cooking did pull a Monica! Don't you remember? They switched it. =)
>
>> >Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
>
>> (nouvelle)
>
>Why is it "nouveau riche" then?
If the "riche" is male, it's "nouveau"; but if it's a she, it's "nouvelle".
>> Says who? I accept it.
>
>Says Monica & Judy?
They don't say it!
>> >In any case, by the end of 403 "TOW the 'Cuffs" (one of my favourite
>> >episodes) Judy promised Monica that the next time she catered for her,
>> >there would be nothing but ice in her freezer, and in the episode under
>> >discussion Monica paid Rachel the same respect, thus proving that she
>> >is so not the neurotic obsessive that some claim.
>
>> Yeah I noticed that too... and it *was* unlike Monica.
>
>Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike Monica,
>and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her friends say she
>has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely ex-husband).
Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
> >> Matthew Perry is so on-form in this episode, proving that his
>>> character can be very funny without the "quips" he was saddled
>>> with in the early years.
>
>> Yeah, he kicks ass!!
>> But of course I'm biased... =)
>
>A lot of us are. :)
What I mean is that I'm more biased when it comes to MP, than MLB or DS. Like you
with CC. =)
>> And please forget it as soon as you've read it, 'k?
>
>K
>
>> Ok, here goes, <The big snip of forgetfulness>
=)
>> "Adeline? Adeline?!"
>> "Ohhh, Dad, shut up, I'm dreaming!!"
>
>Lol, very good, but I've had *much* weirder dreams than that... :)
Yeah but you've lived longer. =)
I also dreamt an ep of "The Tiny Toons" when I was, like, 6; and one of "Felicity"
around a year ago too. I don't remember them very well though.
>> LOL, yeah! Although, at least the lasagne was edible... Oh, no, wait, I
>> forgot Joey will eat anything. =)
>
>Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat something?
Ross's birthday in TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant? He did say something about
eating dust bunnies, though, didn't he?
>> >Hah, Jacqui taught me everything I know. :)
>
>> Oh, and how much is that? Just curious.
>
>All I meant was that we debated the trifle at HUGE length last March,
>wherein Jacqui's culinary & linguistic skills were exemplary.
Ok. =)
>> >> Jeez, there's only you to notice that kind of stuff... =)
>
>> >Thanks, you're too kind. :)
>
>> Am not! =)
>
>Okay, you win. :)
LOL, okay. =)
>> >> A girl he liked, not his girlfriend. =)
>
>> >Yes, but if not stolen she would have been his girlfriend.
>
>> Who's to say?
>
>I'm surmising. :P
Aha! =)
>> >> And, yes, Ross was being cruel...again! =)
>
>> >Again! :)
>
>> Do we even know if this was before, or after the Sir Limpsalot incident?
>
>The Sir Limpsalot incident when they had been at college together for at
>least a year, by which time all the pretty girls would know that Chandler
>was not gay, by how he reacted to them.
Fair enough. Thanks =)
>> >This is so, but notice I said "as though she is the pizza delivery girl".
>
>> Yeah, but still, I can tell, he was not flirting. Plus, Ross has always
>> been straight with Rachel, he was merely trying to keep her away from
>> Joey's little briefing here. IMO.
>
>Oh he was, that's for sure.
flirting? or
merely trying to keep her away from Joey's little briefing?
>> >RACHEL: Ross gets really nervous when he's flirting.
>
>> Okay, but he wasn't nervous here! IMO =)
>
>Oh he was, that's for sure.
No!
>> >> I thought it was so sweet of him... =) The Ross from TOW Phoebe Runs
>> >> would've never done that. That's a "Ross from TOW A Chick. And A Duck"
>> >> type of thing.
>
>> >Yes - it's nice to know that old Ross is still in there somewhere.
>
>> Oops, I said TOW Phoebe Runs? I meant another, later, episode, sorry.
>
>Oh! Did you?
Yeah. I thought his reaction to the title story in 611 was unworthy of the 321 and
609 Ross.
>> >Joey was indeed very good, and it didn't hurt the
>> >chances of a future R&J coupling
>
>> Not gonna happen... =)
>
>Who knows?
Nobody! =) But I'm sure it won't.
>> >> >When she cross-examines
>> >> >Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle,
>
>> >> and seeming to enjoy it. =)
>
>> >lol, yes. :)
>
>> ...but eventually dropping it, awwwww!!! (The Phoebe Version (tm))
>
>When was this?
I meant the "awwwww!!!" which comes right after "I can't have any!"
Adeline (with *a little* time on her hands).
======
"Ooh, I have tasted my own medicine, and it *is* bitter!" - Phoebe Buffay, 'Friends'
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>>> Yeah =)
>> Yepitty :)
> Damn! LOL
Ooh, you're getting cautious, Adeline! LOL
Just for fun, I'll wind the clock back, and then on a bit...
>>>>>>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>> Yepitty :)
>>> Yeah =)
>> Yepitty :)
> Yeah =)
Yepltty :)
>>> Yep! Da Chandlove was stronger than anything. =)
>> Ooh, "Chandlove"! Nice coinage. :)
> Heehee, thanks! =)
De rien.
>>>> Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
>>> (nouvelle)
>> Why is it "nouveau riche" then?
> If the "riche" is male, it's "nouveau"; but if it's a she, it's
> "nouvelle".
Lol! So men provide the money, and the women define what to do? :)
>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>> ex-husband).
> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
>>> Matthew Perry kicks ass!!
>>> But of course I'm biased... =)
>> A lot of us are. :)
> What I mean is that I'm more biased when it comes to MP, than MLB or DS.
> Like you with CC. =)
Good point, Adeline. :)
> I also dreamt an ep of "The Tiny Toons" when I was, like, 6; and one of
> "Felicity" around a year ago too. I don't remember them very well though.
Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat something?
> Ross's birthday in TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant? He did say something
> about eating dust bunnies, though, didn't he?
MDR!!!
Even Joey wouldn't eat a dust bunny!
But I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>>> I can tell, he was not flirting. Plus, Ross has always
>>> been straight with Rachel, he was merely trying to keep
>>> her away from Joey's little briefing here. IMO.
>> Oh he was, that's for sure.
> flirting? or
> merely trying to keep her away from Joey's little briefing?
Ross was trying to keep Rachel away from Joey's little briefing.
> I thought his reaction to the title story in 611 was unworthy of the
> 321 and 609 Ross.
Hmmm. I'll comment on that later on today, in my new review.
>>> ...but eventually dropping it, awwwww!!! (The Phoebe Version (tm))
>> When was this?
> I meant the "awwwww!!!" which comes right after "I can't have any!"
Oh yes, I see now. Yes.
> Adeline (with *a little* time on her hands).
Glad to see you back, if only briefly. :)
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qdi1b$sue$4...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>
>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>> Yepitty :)
>
>> Damn! LOL
>
>Ooh, you're getting cautious, Adeline! LOL
>
>Just for fun, I'll wind the clock back, and then on a bit...
'kay...
>>>>>>>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>> Yepitty :)
>
>> Yeah =)
>
>Yepltty :)
What's that capital 'i' I see here?? =)
>>>> Yep! Da Chandlove was stronger than anything. =)
>
>>> Ooh, "Chandlove"! Nice coinage. :)
>
>> Heehee, thanks! =)
>
>De rien.
=)
>>>>> Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
>
>>>> (nouvelle)
>
>>> Why is it "nouveau riche" then?
>
>> If the "riche" is male, it's "nouveau"; but if it's a she, it's
>> "nouvelle".
>
>Lol! So men provide the money, and the women define what to do? :)
Eh? (sorry, long day)
>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>> ex-husband).
>
>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>
>She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
And how do you know? =)
>>>> Matthew Perry kicks ass!!
>>>> But of course I'm biased... =)
>
>>> A lot of us are. :)
>
>> What I mean is that I'm more biased when it comes to MP, than MLB or DS.
>> Like you with CC. =)
>
>Good point, Adeline. :)
Okay. =)
>> I also dreamt an ep of "The Tiny Toons" when I was, like, 6; and one of
>> "Felicity" around a year ago too. I don't remember them very well though.
>
>Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
Nope. Haven't had that luck. I wish I could dream my fanfics, though. Could be
interesting!
>>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat something?
>
>> Ross's birthday in TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant? He did say something
>> about eating dust bunnies, though, didn't he?
>
>MDR!!!
>
>Even Joey wouldn't eat a dust bunny!
Actually, he said "I guess I'm gonna stay home and eat dust bunnies"
>But I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
If you're talking about meat, he offered Phoebe to stop eating any during her
pregnancy to "even her number of cows."
Oop, and he refused to eat at the beginning of TOA Vegas. "I'll probably eat in
like, five minutes."
>>>> I can tell, he was not flirting. Plus, Ross has always
>>>> been straight with Rachel, he was merely trying to keep
>>>> her away from Joey's little briefing here. IMO.
>
>>> Oh he was, that's for sure.
>
>> flirting? or
>> merely trying to keep her away from Joey's little briefing?
>
>Ross was trying to keep Rachel away from Joey's little briefing.
Alright! =)
>> I thought his reaction to the title story in 611 was unworthy of the
>> 321 and 609 Ross.
>
>Hmmm. I'll comment on that later on today, in my new review.
Okey-dokey...
>>>> ...but eventually dropping it, awwwww!!! (The Phoebe Version (tm))
>
>>> When was this?
>
>> I meant the "awwwww!!!" which comes right after "I can't have any!"
>
>Oh yes, I see now. Yes.
Ok.
>> Adeline (with *a little* time on her hands).
>
>Glad to see you back, if only briefly. :)
Thanks! =)
Adeline.
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qdi1b$sue$4...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>
>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>> Yepitty :)
>
>> Damn! LOL
>
>Ooh, you're getting cautious, Adeline! LOL
>
>Just for fun, I'll wind the clock back, and then on a bit...
'kay...
>>>>>>>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>> Yepitty :)
>
>> Yeah =)
>
>Yepltty :)
What's that capital 'i' I see here?? =)
>>>> Yep! Da Chandlove was stronger than anything. =)
>
>>> Ooh, "Chandlove"! Nice coinage. :)
>
>> Heehee, thanks! =)
>
>De rien.
=)
>>>>> Phoebe switched it, but her nouveau definition was not accepted.
>
>>>> (nouvelle)
>
>>> Why is it "nouveau riche" then?
>
>> If the "riche" is male, it's "nouveau"; but if it's a she, it's
>> "nouvelle".
>
>Lol! So men provide the money, and the women define what to do? :)
Eh? (sorry, long day)
>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>> ex-husband).
>
>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>
>She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
And how do you know? =)
>>>> Matthew Perry kicks ass!!
>>>> But of course I'm biased... =)
>
>>> A lot of us are. :)
>
>> What I mean is that I'm more biased when it comes to MP, than MLB or DS.
>> Like you with CC. =)
>
>Good point, Adeline. :)
Okay. =)
>> I also dreamt an ep of "The Tiny Toons" when I was, like, 6; and one of
>> "Felicity" around a year ago too. I don't remember them very well though.
>
>Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
Nope. Haven't had that luck. I wish I could dream my fanfics, though. Could be
interesting!
>>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat something?
>
>> Ross's birthday in TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant? He did say something
>> about eating dust bunnies, though, didn't he?
>
>MDR!!!
>
>Even Joey wouldn't eat a dust bunny!
Actually, he said "I guess I'm gonna stay home and eat dust bunnies"
>But I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
If you're talking about meat, he offered Phoebe to stop eating any during her
pregnancy to "even her number of cows."
Oop, and he refused to eat at the beginning of TOA Vegas. "I'll probably eat in
like, five minutes."
>>>> I can tell, he was not flirting. Plus, Ross has always
>>>> been straight with Rachel, he was merely trying to keep
>>>> her away from Joey's little briefing here. IMO.
>
>>> Oh he was, that's for sure.
>
>> flirting? or
>> merely trying to keep her away from Joey's little briefing?
>
>Ross was trying to keep Rachel away from Joey's little briefing.
Alright! =)
>> I thought his reaction to the title story in 611 was unworthy of the
>> 321 and 609 Ross.
>
>Hmmm. I'll comment on that later on today, in my new review.
Okey-dokey...
>>>> ...but eventually dropping it, awwwww!!! (The Phoebe Version (tm))
>
>>> When was this?
>
>> I meant the "awwwww!!!" which comes right after "I can't have any!"
>
>Oh yes, I see now. Yes.
Ok.
>> Adeline (with *a little* time on her hands).
>
>Glad to see you back, if only briefly. :)
Thanks! =)
Adeline.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>>>> Yepitty :)
>>> Damn! LOL
>>Just for fun, I'll wind the clock back, and then on a bit...
> 'kay...
>>>>>>>>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>>>>> Yeah =)
>>>> Yepitty :)
>>> Yeah =)
>>Yepltty :)
> What's that capital 'i' I see here?? =)
Damn! Lol, you got me! You win, Adeline!!! :)
> Eh? (sorry, long day)
My fault, bad joke.
>>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>>> ex-husband).
>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
> And how do you know? =)
Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps under
control, and Monica Time was the last one.
>> Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
> Nope. Haven't had that luck. I wish I could dream my fanfics,
> though. Could be interesting!
Sone of the fanfic ideas I've had were there in my head when I woke
up, but I don't know if I dreamt them or not.
>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
> If you're talking about meat, he offered Phoebe to stop eating any
> during her pregnancy to "even her number of cows." Oop, and he
> refused to eat at the beginning of TOA Vegas. "I'll probably eat
> in like, five minutes."
Ah Adeline, those are two excellent, first class examples, though
sadly not the one I'm thinking of.
>>Hmmm. I'll comment on Ross later on today, in my new review.
> Okey-dokey...
Which is up now. :)
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|
|> Tennant Stuart wrote...
|
|
|>>> Damn! LOL
|
|>>Just for fun, I'll wind the clock back, and then on a bit...
|
|
|>>>>>>>>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
|
|>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
|
|>>>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
|
|>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
|
|>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
|
|>>>>>>> Yeah =)
|
|>>>>>> Yepitty :)
|
|>>>>> Yeah =)
|
|>>>> Yepitty :)
|
|>>> Yeah =)
|
|>>Yepltty :)
|
|
|Damn! Lol, you got me! You win, Adeline!!! :)
|
|
|> Eh? (sorry, long day)
|
|My fault, bad joke.
|
|
|>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
|>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
|>>>> ex-husband).
|
|>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
|
|>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
|
|
|Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps under
|control, and Monica Time was the last one.
|
that I'd think I was later than I actually was and get up earlier, and not
be late for school!
|
|>> Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
|
|> though. Could be interesting!
|
|Sone of the fanfic ideas I've had were there in my head when I woke
|up, but I don't know if I dreamt them or not.
|
|
|
|> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
|
|Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
|
|
|
|> If you're talking about meat, he offered Phoebe to stop eating any
|> during her pregnancy to "even her number of cows." Oop, and he
|> refused to eat at the beginning of TOA Vegas. "I'll probably eat
|> in like, five minutes."
|
|Ah Adeline, those are two excellent, first class examples, though
|sadly not the one I'm thinking of.
|
Tennant Stuart
<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
>> In article <8qg287$fc9$1...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>>>>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>>>>> ex-husband).
>>>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>>>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
>>> And how do you know? =)
>> Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps under
>>control, and Monica Time was the last one.
> Yes! I get another Monica point! I used to set my radio alarm clock
> fast, so that I'd think I was later than I actually was and get up
> earlier, and not be late for school!
Do you only eat Tic Tacks in even numbers?
>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
One of those is RIGHT...
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
|
|
|>> In article <8qg287$fc9$1...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr>
wrote:
|
|>>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
|
|>>>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
|>>>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
|>>>>>> ex-husband).
|
|>>>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
|
|>>>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
|
|>>> And how do you know? =)
|
|>> Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps
under
|>>control, and Monica Time was the last one.
|
|> Yes! I get another Monica point! I used to set my radio alarm clock
|> fast, so that I'd think I was later than I actually was and get up
|> earlier, and not be late for school!
|
Actually yes. I like them to be even on each side of my mouth. If there's an
odd number in the packet, I give one away, or just chuck it in the bin!
|>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
|>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
|
|>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
|
|>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
|
|> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
|
|One of those is RIGHT...
Yes! I feel so clever! Or something to that effect.
Tennant Stuart
<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
>>> Yes! I get another Monica point! I used to set my radio alarm clock
>>> fast, so that I'd think I was later than I actually was and get up
>>> earlier, and not be late for school!
>> Do you only eat Tic Tacks in even numbers?
> Actually yes. I like them to be even on each side of my mouth. If
> there's an odd number in the packet, I give one away, or just chuck
> it in the bin!
Ah, you must be like her, because you gave a good reason why... :)
>>>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>>>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>>>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
>>>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
>>> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
>> One of those is RIGHT...
> Yes! I feel so clever! Or something to that effect.
Hmmm - but Monica would answer that question *instantly*...
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
|
|
|>>> fast, so that I'd think I was later than I actually was and get up
|>>> earlier, and not be late for school!
|
|
|> Actually yes. I like them to be even on each side of my mouth. If
|> there's an odd number in the packet, I give one away, or just chuck
|> it in the bin!
|
|Ah, you must be like her, because you gave a good reason why... :)
Reasoning is fun. Phoebe reasons a lot too.
|
|
|>>>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
|>>>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
|
|>>>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
|
|>>>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
|
|>>> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
|
|>> One of those is RIGHT...
|
|> Yes! I feel so clever! Or something to that effect.
|
|Hmmm - but Monica would answer that question *instantly*...
<screaming> Sandwiches!!!!!
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qg287$fc9$1...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>
>>>> Damn! LOL
>
>>>Just for fun, I'll wind the clock back, and then on a bit...
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A light shone in the wilderness that is the Janine Years.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>>> Yepitty :)
>
>>>> Yeah =)
>
>>>Yepltty :)
>
>
>Damn! Lol, you got me! You win, Adeline!!! :)
LOL, yay! =)
>> Eh? (sorry, long day)
>
>My fault, bad joke.
Oh, I know those!
>>>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>>>> ex-husband).
>
>>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>
>>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
>
>> And how do you know? =)
>
>Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps under
>control, and Monica Time was the last one.
Mmmyeah, maybe... I'll have to check that. =)
>>> Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
>
>> Nope. Haven't had that luck. I wish I could dream my fanfics,
>> though. Could be interesting!
>
>Sone of the fanfic ideas I've had were there in my head when I woke
>up, but I don't know if I dreamt them or not.
Can't help here! =) Although, you'd probably remember images if you dreamt them,
don't you think?
>>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>
>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
>
>Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
Yeah, sandwiches (Meatball subs) are. And he offered Chandler a bite once.
>> If you're talking about meat, he offered Phoebe to stop eating any
>> during her pregnancy to "even her number of cows." Oop, and he
>> refused to eat at the beginning of TOA Vegas. "I'll probably eat
>> in like, five minutes."
>
>Ah Adeline, those are two excellent, first class examples, though
>sadly not the one I'm thinking of.
We should make a list of the Things Joey Refused To Eat.
>>>Hmmm. I'll comment on Ross later on today, in my new review.
>
>> Okey-dokey...
>
>Which is up now. :)
Yeah it is! =)
Adeline.
Tennant Stuart
<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
>> Ah, you must be like her, because you gave a good reason why... :)
> Reasoning is fun. Phoebe reasons a lot too.
You're so right! She's a lot like Ross... :)
>>>>>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>>>>>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>>>>>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
>>>>>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
>>>>> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
>>>> One of those is RIGHT...
>>> Yes! I feel so clever! Or something to that effect.
>> Hmmm - but Monica would answer that question *instantly*...
> <screaming> Sandwiches!!!!!
Absolutely! I take it you know where Monica said that...
What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat a sandwich?
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>>>>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>>>>> ex-husband).
>>>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>>>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
>>> And how do you know? =)
>> Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps
>> under control, and Monica Time was the last one.
> Mmmyeah, maybe... I'll have to check that. =)
Please do. :)
>>>> Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
>>> Nope. Haven't had that luck. I wish I could dream my fanfics,
>>> though. Could be interesting!
>> Sone of the fanfic ideas I've had were there in my head when I woke
>> up, but I don't know if I dreamt them or not.
> Can't help here! =) Although, you'd probably remember images if you
> dreamt them, don't you think?
Good point, and although I have a very visual memory, the fanfic plots
arrive as pure ideas, so another part of my mind invented them.
>>>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
>>Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
> Yeah, sandwiches (Meatball subs) are. And he offered Chandler a bite once.
Va-dumph! Yay Adeline, straight to it!!!
> We should make a list of the Things Joey Refused To Eat.
Ooh, please do, you & some others are much better at lists than I am.
416 - gives up meat to balance Phoebe's pregnant cravings
520 - offers Chandler first bite of his favourite sandwich
601 - delays breakfast as depressed his movie was cancelled
What about Angela's chicken wings in 105?
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|In article <8qis60$7l9$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>, "CandiGrrl"
|<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
|
|> Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|
|>> Ah, you must be like her, because you gave a good reason why... :)
|
|> Reasoning is fun. Phoebe reasons a lot too.
|
|You're so right! She's a lot like Ross... :)
What I think would be funny to see is Phoebe and Ross attending a class of
some sort together - if they both started from scratch, who would do better?
My money is on Phoebe...
|>>>>>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
|>>>>>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
|
|>>>>>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
|
|>>>>>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
|
|>>>>> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
|
|>>>> One of those is RIGHT...
|
|>>> Yes! I feel so clever! Or something to that effect.
|
|>> Hmmm - but Monica would answer that question *instantly*...
|
|> <screaming> Sandwiches!!!!!
|
|Absolutely! I take it you know where Monica said that...
|
|What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat a sandwich?
I will find it! I will, you... you evil genius!
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qj98p$ln8$3...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>>>>>>> Well yes, but there a quite a few instances of Monica being unlike
>>>>>>> Monica, and then you notice that many of her obsessions are what her
>>>>>>> friends say she has, not the lady herself (like Janice's prematurely
>>>>>>> ex-husband).
>
>>>>>> Yeah, okay. But she does set her clocks 6 minutes fast... =)
>
>>>>> She'd like to, but she doesn't - except when Richard encouraged her.
>
>>>> And how do you know? =)
>
>>> Because she was doing increasingly freaky things she normally keeps
>>> under control, and Monica Time was the last one.
>
>> Mmmyeah, maybe... I'll have to check that. =)
>
>Please do. :)
I'll go through the transcripts Wednesday afternoon...
>>>>> Gosh! Do you ever dream of entire new episodes of "Friends"?
>
>>>> Nope. Haven't had that luck. I wish I could dream my fanfics,
>>>> though. Could be interesting!
>
>>> Sone of the fanfic ideas I've had were there in my head when I woke
>>> up, but I don't know if I dreamt them or not.
>
>> Can't help here! =) Although, you'd probably remember images if you
>> dreamt them, don't you think?
>
>Good point, and although I have a very visual memory, the fanfic plots
>arrive as pure ideas, so another part of my mind invented them.
Probably.
>>>>> Well almost. What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
>>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
>
>>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
>
>>>Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
>
>> Yeah, sandwiches (Meatball subs) are. And he offered Chandler a bite once.
>
>Va-dumph! Yay Adeline, straight to it!!!
Yay! =)
>> We should make a list of the Things Joey Refused To Eat.
>
>Ooh, please do, you & some others are much better at lists than I am.
>
>416 - gives up meat to balance Phoebe's pregnant cravings
>520 - offers Chandler first bite of his favourite sandwich
>601 - delays breakfast as depressed his movie was cancelled
>
>What about Angela's chicken wings in 105?
Wednesday afternoon... Meanwhile, any help is appreciated, everyone. =)
Adeline.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>>> Mmmyeah, maybe... I'll have to check that. =)
>> Please do. :)
> I'll go through the transcripts Wednesday afternoon...
Ah - busy girl. Yippee, no homework for me! :)
>>> Sandwiches (Meatball subs). And he offered Chandler a bite once.
>> Va-dumph! Yay Adeline, straight to it!!!
> Yay! =)
>>> We should make a list of the Things Joey Refused To Eat.
>>Ooh, please do, you & some others are much better at lists than I am.
>>416 - gives up meat to balance Phoebe's pregnant cravings
>>520 - offers Chandler first bite of his favourite sandwich
>>601 - delays breakfast as depressed his movie was cancelled
>>What about Angela's chicken wings in 105?
> Wednesday afternoon... Meanwhile, any help is appreciated, everyone. =)
Seeya on Wednesday, Adline - meanwhile would anyone care to contribute?
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qkut8$l7t$4...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>
>>> Please do. :)
>
>
>Ah - busy girl. Yippee, no homework for me! :)
Hmpf! And to think we don't even get paid! =(
>>>> We should make a list of the Things Joey Refused To Eat.
>
>>>Ooh, please do, you & some others are much better at lists than I am.
>
>>>416 - gives up meat to balance Phoebe's pregnant cravings
>>>520 - offers Chandler first bite of his favourite sandwich
>>>601 - delays breakfast as depressed his movie was cancelled
>
>>>What about Angela's chicken wings in 105?
>
>> Wednesday afternoon... Meanwhile, any help is appreciated, everyone. =)
>
>Seeya on Wednesday, Adline - meanwhile would anyone care to contribute?
Toodles! =)
Adeline.
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|In article <8qis60$7l9$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>, "CandiGrrl"
|<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
|
|> Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|
|>> Ah, you must be like her, because you gave a good reason why... :)
|
|> Reasoning is fun. Phoebe reasons a lot too.
|
|You're so right! She's a lot like Ross... :)
|
|
|>>>>>>>> What was the occasion when Joey declined to eat
|>>>>>>>> something? I'm thinking of his *favourite* food... :)
|
|>>>>>>> OHMYGOD, when did he refuse to eat Pizza?? LOL
|
|>>>>>> Pizza is NOT Joey's favourite food...
|
|>>>>> Leg wax? Sandwiches? Traditional English trifle?!
|
|>>>> One of those is RIGHT...
|
|>>> Yes! I feel so clever! Or something to that effect.
|
|>> Hmmm - but Monica would answer that question *instantly*...
|
|> <screaming> Sandwiches!!!!!
|
|Absolutely! I take it you know where Monica said that...
Oh, I forgot about that "sort-of-question". I think it was when her and
Rachel were having the bet with Joey and Chandler where they lost their
apartment... right?
- Candi (uncertain)
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
> >> I'll go through the transcripts Wednesday afternoon...
> >Ah - busy girl. Yippee, no homework for me! :)
> Hmpf! And to think we don't even get paid! =(
Think of it as an investment in your future. I earned £357 today.
Tennant Stuart
<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Oh, I forgot about that "sort-of-question". I think it was when her and
> Rachel were having the bet with Joey and Chandler where they lost their
> apartment... right?
Right. :)
And it was Monica who answered.
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qo0c0$8u0$4...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>
>> >Ah - busy girl. Yippee, no homework for me! :)
>
>> Hmpf! And to think we don't even get paid! =(
>
>Think of it as an investment in your future.
Yeah, right!
>I earned £357 today.
=<> And what about yesterday?
Adeline.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>> In article <8qo0c0$8u0$4...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>> Think of it as an investment in your future.
> Yeah, right!
>> I earned £357 today.
> =<> And what about yesterday?
Well okay, so I don't earn that every day - but I answer to no man.
CandiGrrl
Tennant Stuart wrote in message ...
|<NOSPAMC...@btinternet.com> wrote:
|
|> Oh, I forgot about that "sort-of-question". I think it was when her and
|> Rachel were having the bet with Joey and Chandler where they lost their
|> apartment... right?
|
|Right. :)
|
|And it was Monica who answered.
Of course. hehe
Adeline
Tennant Stuart wrote...
>In article <8qqpp6$44a$2...@wanadoo.fr>, "Adeline" <go...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote...
>
>
>> =<> And what about yesterday?
>
>Well okay, so I don't earn that every day
Thank God!
> - but I answer to no man.
I haven't today =)
Adeline.
Tennant Stuart
For all the Dutch fans who saw this episode on Sunday...
609 "TOW Ross Got High"
This ensemble episode was such a joy!
After the last two I had been expecting a steady decline in the quality
of the show as Janine assumed an increasing importance in the storylines,
but instead her appearance lasted only 43 seconds. Even Gunther has had
bigger parts in the show!
It's Thanksgiving, and Monica has invited her parents, but first she must
warn Chandler that she's never admitted their relationship to them. Even
worse, the reason is that Jack & Judy hate him. This leads to a wonderful
joke as Chandler promises that his charm will win them over, as indeed he
won Monica, but she argues that he'd never get them *that* drunk!!!
Since Chandler is living with Monica, Ross is more like Joey's best bud,
and Janine invites them to a boozy uptown Thanksgiving party with all her
dancer friends, but Monica won't let them go until they've eaten. She is
showing enormous faith in Rachel by letting her prepare dessert, without
any back-up - presumably she remembers how much she was hurt by Judy who
once expected her cooking to "Pull A Monica".
Phoebe arrives looking gorgeous as usual, and notice that all three women
are dressed in red, while all the three guys are dressed in blue. But when
Monica's parents turn up, Chandler gets off on the wrong foot by assuming
that the dandruff on Jack's shoulder is snow - in November? Ah, I suppose
that could happen in America.
Meanwhile, Phoebe reveals to Rachel that she's been having erotic dreams
about Jack Geller. This could be the beginning of an extremely interesting
storyline where Phoebe gets her revenge for losing Richard Burke to Monica
by having an affair with her father. But sadly after a nap between courses
she informs Rachel that he cheated on her in the dream. This little story
resembled the time a dream made her mad at Ross, but it was worth it for
the sublime detail where Cousteau's pet seahorse was totally coming onto
her! Notice how at well at ease Rachel is with her now.
In a wonderful moment that proves Season Six can kick ass, Rachel proudly
tells Ross & Joey that she's preparing a traditional English trifle, with
multiple layers of sponge cake, jam, custard, raspberries, beef sauteed
with peas & onions, bananas, and whipped cream on top...
The guys are no less stunned than we in the audience, and discover that
some of the pages in the recipe book have been stuck together, so they
*immediately* blame Chandler, making a rude joke at his expense.
What presumably happened was that the pages became accidentally glued
together with the ingredients of some previous meal, and poor Rachel has
incorporated part of a recipe for Shepherd's Pie. (In fact that should be
lamb, since the beef equivalent is Cottage Pie, but never mind.)
But before Ross & Joey can warn anyone, another crisis develops. Judy
lets slip that the reason they've always hated Chandler is that he smokes
pot, whereas it was really Ross who'd once pinned the blame on Chandler.
The scene when Ross confesses has caused much confusion, since Chandler
happens to misunderstand. Ross was not caught at college, but at home in
his bedroom during the Spring Break of his sophomore year.
When Chandler tells Monica that Ross was caught smoking pot in college,
he's got it wrong. But that's not surprising, for it does make the third
cruel thing that Ross has done to him as a student, after naming him "Sir
Limps-A-Lot" when he lost a toe, and telling everyone that Chandler was
gay in order to steal away a girl he liked.
While Joey warns everyone else about the trifle, Ross avoids confessing
to his parents by distracting Rachel in the hallway, but unable to think
of what to say, he ends up 'flirting' with her as though she is the pizza
delivery girl. Nobody would never know that Rachel is his wife, (divorce
pending), and sadly she rebuffs his advances, once again dashing hopes of
the poor R&R fans.
Joey teaches the company how to act pleased with the trifle. His acting
lessons are always fun because although they seem daft they then come
true, and this was no exception as Monica pretends to enjoy the hideous
concoction. Phoebe very cleverly avoids eating the trifle on the grounds
that she's a vegetarian, and the others escape by taking their trifle
with them to (not) eat in private.
This just leaves Ross who bravely eats it to please Rachel, and Joey who
gobbles it up - "What's to not to like?" he asks! When she cross-examines
Chandler he makes excuses about a bird grabbing his trifle, which closely
resembles Rachel's excuses for no longer having the presents that people
bought her, but this time she didn't seem to notice...
Monica runs out of patience, so confesses to her parents on Ross's behalf,
which leads to a marvellous sequence of escalating tattle-tales as she &
her brother reveal childhood secrets to Jack & Judy, culminating with the
news that Ross has married & divorced Rachel. However, this does not mean
that the divorce has come through yet, since it's still too early.
Everyone feels the need to join in, including Rachel as she discovers her
mistake, but oh joy, at long last I actually *liked* Judy Geller as she
took pains to answer each person's confession kindly but honestly, and in
a heartwarming moment she thanked Chandler for being such a good friend
to Ross over the years - and now that he's taken on Monica as well, he is
a wonderful human being!!!
This was a brilliant piece of work by Gregory S.Malins who has written
some lovely episodes in the past, and his idea of the Gellers pitting
Chandler against Monica & Ross was very clever.
Indeed, the story was such that I'm prepared to bet that anyone who read
a spoiler in advance would not have enjoyed it quite so much. I seems to
me that there was a delicacy about this script that depended on you not
knowing anything in advance, as compared to some episodes where you can
chant the lines in advance & it all just adds to the fun.
The whole cast (the main six and two long-standing guest artists) pulled
together into a strong ensemble, Monica wasn't too weird, we had nice R&R
and C&J moments, and Phoebe was of course 'different'. But best of all
there was very little of Janine, which brings me to a curious conclusion.
Could it be that Janine's story was cut back, and the irrelevant Phoebe
story invented to fill the holes? If you watch the opening again, it is
clear that a punchline was being set up, where Ross & Joey finally escape
from the apartment, and arrive at the dance studio, only to discover that
Janine's dancer friends were all male...
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 610-625.
Tennant Stuart
NL
I missed episode 608, maybe someone could tell me what was on it...
thanx..
NL
Tennant Stuart
> One of the duch fans right here...
> I missed episode 608, maybe someone could tell me what was on it...
Did you not see my review of 608, which I reposted for the Dutch fans
only a week ago?
Tennant
nl
Craig Davies
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9151/608.htm
And for what happened visit:
http://www.friendsepisodes.com/ or
http://www.epguides.com/friends/
Craig
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