Friends S8-12 - a knock at the door
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Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
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812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel"
When Dr.Geller's department head retires, he doesn't think to apply for
promotion, but instead he accepts the old guy's advanced class, taking
place three times per week. Awkwardly, they're held in another building
across town, and Ross can't afford to keep using cabs back & forth.
For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
---o0o---
Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is. Phoebe takes
over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
to cover the little boy's ears!
---o0o---
Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel advises
him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that she really
misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in shining armour,
Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a pregnant lady. That
evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a knock at the door - and
to her surprise it's Joey.
He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together. To
keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on each
other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is effective,
hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst touching his
hand) and he is quite affected by her.
When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
that it was because he was with her.
Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
that she has just had on him...
The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women, he breaks
off the date, and goes home early.
Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
---o0o---
Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
---o0o---
Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was only
to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just a pretty
face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend".
It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in 313
"TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the fifth
season that their relationship went up a notch.
In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even though
all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits Joey", it
was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey realised how
his life was empty without someone to share it with, and he chose Rachel.
Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers
tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by
his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the 'real' Joey was put
back in a television career - while Rachel moved into his apartment, where
she suddenly found new a liberation thanks to his easy going lifestyle.
In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together, even
while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most significant
since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories included 702 "TOW
Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness than
she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
Chandler, and whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's
Award", where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW Rachel's
Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW the Stain" in
which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of moving to Ross's
building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where raging hormones made
her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle for a quick fling.
---o0o---
How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
"TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
If so, can he afford to support a second child?
Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be that it's the
S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she was
not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing Joey &
Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she yells out
"Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare "You suck!"
Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably) in
an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the doorpost,
so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers, or
a barbershop quartet?
Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
front door?
Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
of Joey & Rachel?
From all six, who would you punch?
Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
& Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
(she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
& child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
---o0o---
According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about four
bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then Monica
asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so Chandler
replies that was what they went to the store for in the first place.
After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get Phoebe
off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair to push
him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must have
been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be intact.
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
Tennant Stuart
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Anonymous
> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
Tennant, it's about time you finally posted a recap for this episode!
I had been waiting for my fellow fan of a certain soon-to-be couple to
make his comments on this episode.
> British/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 812...
> 812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel"
>
> When Dr.Geller's department head retires, he doesn't think to apply for
> promotion, but instead he accepts the old guy's advanced class, taking
> place three times per week. Awkwardly, they're held in another building
> across town, and Ross can't afford to keep using cabs back & forth.
>
> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
I know many Ross fans didn't like this because it made Ross look kind
of dorky, but I thought he had great physical comedy bits while in the
classroom, and it actually was probably one of the funniest "filler"
storylines of the season.
> ---o0o---
>
> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
You can see the candy bar joke coming a mile away. The writers have to
get in their quota of "Fat Monica" jokes every episode it seems like.
> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
You know, Chandler is starting to get so bloated again, with his man
boobs they could really call him Ms. Chandler. ;-)
> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
> off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is. Phoebe takes
> over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
> blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
> to cover the little boy's ears!
Great punchline to the story. Once again, it was so short that it
clearly was a filler, but it was still well written and well acted.
> ---o0o---
>
> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel advises
> him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that she really
> misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in shining armour,
> Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a pregnant lady. That
> evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a knock at the door - and
> to her surprise it's Joey.
>
> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
When Rachel says that Joey is "protective" of her, it's just another
example of the many lines the writers have used this season to show
how much impact Rachel has had on his life. She also asks him to
protect her while they are watching "Cujo" at the end. I think what it
is setting up is that even though Rachel has developed into a strong,
independent woman over the series, she still finds comfort in having a
man that makes her feel safe and secure.
Joey, even though he had done countless sweet gestures for Rachel this
season, still was pretty much a player before this episode. This is
where his personality really is being turned around into someone that
is capable to have an aching love for another person. I think it's a
great and important move in this series for Joey to discover this. I
know some people hate change, but history shows us that changes
usually are for the best.
> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together. To
> keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on each
> other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is effective,
> hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst touching his
> hand) and he is quite affected by her.
>
> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
> that it was because he was with her.
Yet another line the writers drop on us of a probable foreshadowing.
Joey had the best time BECAUSE he was dating Rachel.
> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
> that she has just had on him...
I found it just a tiny bit unbelievable that Rachel would suddenly
turn around after moaning to Joey like that without noticing something
going on. But, as in the past, Rachel has mastered the art of being
oblivious to a person's feelings for her.
> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
> Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
> But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
> is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women, he breaks
> off the date, and goes home early.
Little trivia tidbit. The hot date Joey had actually once was a
Playboy Playmate, at least that's what it had on her acting resume, so
you know Joey must be in love when he doesn't even have any interest
in the playmate he's on a date with.
> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
I tend to disagree with you here. I don't think it's the prospect of
losing her that's the problem, it's the realization that his feelings
for Rachel has the potential to permanently damage his friendship and
living situation with her if she didn't feel the same way, and add
that to the fact that Ross is the father AND ex-boyfriend of this
woman, and he could kill his friendship to Ross as well.
BUT, if Rachel did return his feelings and Ross was ok with it, Joey
would literally be in Nirvana with Rachel. He is finally learning all
of the risks and heartbreaks that are involved in love, and it is
terrifying him.
> ---o0o---
>
> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
David has an incredible amount of responsibility directing an episode
of Friends, so he has to have less lines to learn in an episode he's
directing in order to concetrate on setting up all of the scenes and
cameras properly. I bet when Jennifer Aniston directs later on, she
will have a very small part on screen as Rachel.
> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
Schwimmer nailed it on this episode. I would be shocked if he doesn't
get an Emmy nod for directing this episode. I have never seen a single
episode turn so many opinions around like TOW Joey Dates Rachel did.
People who claimed that they were longtime R&R fans suddenly turned
around and said they wanted to see Joey and Rachel try it out. A poll
administered by NBC the week after the show aired asked who the
favorite couple on Friends was, and the results were:
Joey and Rachel 36%
Monica and Chandler 16%
Ross and Rachel 34%
Joey and Phoebe 13%
Now, the NBC website gets hundreds of thousands of hits daily, so for
Joey and Rachel to win this poll is quite a substantial statement on
the shift in opinion.
> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
It has brought Matt LeBlanc into the spotlight, finally. In addition
to having a huge article on him in the national newspaper USA Today
last week, he is scheduled to appear on "The Tonight Show" the night
before 814-TOW The Secret Closet airs. Since he has no movies to
promote, he must be on to discuss the storyline with him and Jennifer
that has generated a lot of buzz.
> ---o0o---
>
> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
> has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
> not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
We've pointed it out, but some people choose to see things and others
don't. That's just the way of life.
> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together, even
> while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most significant
> since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories included 702 "TOW
> Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
> 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness than
> she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
> Chandler, and whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's
> Award", where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
OMG, I can't believe you left out probably the most dramatic episode
between them in the 7th season in 707 TOW Ross's Library Book. Rachel
tried to convince Joey to continue to date a woman, only to learn that
the woman didn't really like him, and Rachel was forced to give Joey
the news that someone has decided to dump him.
> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW Rachel's
> Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW the Stain" in
> which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of moving to Ross's
> building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where raging hormones made
> her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle for a quick fling.
I still don't like how they handled TOW Ross's Step Forward, but that
nursery scene in TOW The Stain was super-huge-giant-major league
foreshadowing if there ever was such a thing.
> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
Depends on which building at NYU Ross was leaving from.
> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
No, my friend you have to think. He's paying alimony to his 3 wives!!!
:)
> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
If he rollerbladed there, chances are he didn't bring shoes. So it was
either teach on rollerblades, or risk breaking his neck teaching with
just his socks on.
> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
> was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
> that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be that it's the
> S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
> apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
I think Monica was just hesitant at the time to change up her perfect
apartment when Chandler moved in. She didn't even feel comfortable
with the Barcalounger being there.
> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
I believe that is actually "mother fucker". I thought that was common
swearing in Britain.
> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
I think everyone has come to the realization that there is just
nothing exciting you can do with Chandler and Monica now that they are
married except "coupley" stuff. They can't get into a fight and
temporarily breakup anymore, they are locked together for life now.
Personally, I don't mind when a couple of people are dominating a
storyline if it is what people are tuning into see. The first two
years was mostly Ross and Rachel storylines that people tuned into
see, so they really didn't care too much to watch the throwaway
storylines the other 4 were getting.
Chandler and Monica's storyline blended in much better with everyone
else, and didn't dominate like R&R did. Phoebe's pregnancy did tend to
dominate the 4th season, so you are left with Joey who hasn't really
dominated one portion of the show. Obviously, from viewer reaction,
most people want to see Joey fall in love, and a majority of those
people want to see it with his roomie Rachel. So I think it's a
perfect compliment to have them and Ross have the dominating
storyline, because that's what most want to see right now.
> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the doorpost,
> so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers, or
> a barbershop quartet?
Well, when Joey gets her favorite, lillies, then the flowers are
definitely more romantic.
> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> front door?
Huh?
> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
> of Joey & Rachel?
I think it signifies the end of one era, and the beginning of another.
> From all six, who would you punch?
Ross, just so he could stop being so weird.
> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
Did you also notice that the first time in class Ross threw his
overcoat on the coatrack pole and missed, yet next time we see it the
scene the coat has magically been hung on the pole.
> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
Very observant.
> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
It's the only one this season to not end with any music or laughter.
> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
>
> Tennant Stuart
Tennant, no spoilers here, because the furthest we have gone is 813,
but it looks like from this episode that they are really committing to
the Joey and Rachel storyline. It's a gutsy move by the writers, and
one that I'm real happy they are trying out, because the moment Rachel
moved in with Joey in TOW Ross Dates A Student, I knew there was
something there that needed to be explored.
Who knows? If Joey and Rachel do happen to work out, this might leave
the door open to Ross and Phoebe getting together.
Tieno
> so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers, or
> a barbershop quartet?
Hmmm, I don't know if you are serious about this comparison or trying
to make a point but I don't think it's fair to compare one of the most
romantic things that Joey did for Rachel to something that Ross did
because he was jealous.
A better question would be :
What is the most romantic gusture - a bouquet of flowers, or getting
her the pin that was just like the pin Rachel's grandmother had when
she was a little girl. Or in the museum planetarium in TOW Ross and
Rachel.... You Know Or...
All in all a good recap but I don't believe that the writers had a
possible RnJ relationship in mind back in S6 and S7. To me they're
just signs of friendship.
cubby
Last week, Saturday Night Live did a parody of Friends, noting that the only
possible boy-girl setup yet to be explored is Ross-Monica! Very funny.
Owen Shiers
>
> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
Ross's story was more of a filler, the videogame story was a little better,
I loved the ling about the vending machine!
>
> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
It's one huge dun dun dun alright!
>
> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
>
It was a fantastic, although I don't think it's on a parr with R&R's split
up...
> ---o0o---
>
> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
> has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
> not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
You definitely cannot say it's out of the blue, although I'm undecided about
Rachel's feelings.
>
> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was only
> to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just a pretty
> face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend".
Yes, it was this attitude that Joey had for quite a while.
>
> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in 313
> "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the fifth
> season that their relationship went up a notch.
Yes, I think it was entirely physical for Rachel from Joey, which would
accompany the of having sex with thousands of women.
>
> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even though
> all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits Joey", it
> was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey realised how
> his life was empty without someone to share it with, and he chose Rachel.
Didn't he see Rachel (sorry I'm just being fussy/silly). Remember also he
changed his mind to Phoebe afterwards!
>
> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers
> tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by
> his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the 'real' Joey was put
> back in a television career - while Rachel moved into his apartment, where
> she suddenly found new a liberation thanks to his easy going lifestyle.
>
Wow, I never realised that! It certainly was a good tester!
> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together, even
> while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most significant
> since Joey is quite boyish by nature.
Do you think that Joey and Tag's night out was one of the reason's Rachel
ended it?
> And these stories included 702 "TOW
> Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
Her intentions were never anything else though than to scare him off.
> 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness than
> she did about sailing;
I think Rachel also learnt a lot about herself in that ep aswell!
> 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
> Chandler, and whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's
> Award", where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
Saying it turns her on is going a bit far!
>
> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW Rachel's
> Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW the Stain" in
> which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of moving to Ross's
> building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where raging hormones made
> her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle for a quick fling.
Season 8 definitely saw a big raise in the temperature. Do you think the
writers had it planned a long time before?
Also, remember, there's been a lot of foreshadowing for J&P, I mean, they've
kissed twice!
>
> ---o0o---
>
> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
Eeeeeeer, that is a toughie! Why avenue though? There is no Avenue A on
manhattan island...
>
> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
Must be un-organised Doctor Professor Geller!
>
> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
That was a long time ago though...
>
> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
I doubt it...Carol and Susan also pay.
>
> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
Definitely, I wouldn't read too much into it.
>
> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
>If he was unorganised, he would have to organise his work!
>
> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
Great continuity too!
>
> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
> was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
> that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be that it's the
> S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
> apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
I though that was very bad continuity, I put it down to the disaster that
was season 6.
>
> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
Not sure, when was the last time we saw that room?
>
> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
Well Ross could have drawn a diagram, and shouted. Rachel could have, errm
helped, Monica could have bossed everyone around. Phoebe could have used
some alternative moving techniques, Joey could get another hernia, and
Chandler could get trapped again!
>
> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she was
> not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing Joey &
> Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she yells out
> "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare "You suck!"
She certainly has changed.
>
> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
I'd say on the street. May I also second the calling the police pigs, as
I've been witness to crowd clearing at football matches.
>
> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
Don't make sense does it?
>
> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>
I wondered that, or was it a saturday?
> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
Yep....I can't think of any more!!
>
> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
or R-E-G for Regina?
>
> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably) in
> an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
Pretty bad :(
>
> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
I think you've pretty much got everything there!
>
>
> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
>
Definitely, I'm getting annoyed by the amount of J&P and C&M stories. We
need some substance concerning Monica or Chandler and the lack of C&J
interaction saddens me...
> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the doorpost,
> so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
Very clever.
>
> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers, or
> a barbershop quartet?
Well a barbershop quartet is a little OTT, unless you're Ross of course!
>
> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> front door?
>
Hang on....<plays 812.avi>...searches......aha, err dunno!
> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
> of Joey & Rachel?
Ohhhh very symbolic!
>
> From all six, who would you punch?
>
Monica
> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
He's not as annoying as he was...
>
> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
What type of people is Joey dating!!??
>
> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>
Yes, I was impressed by that, well done writers!
> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
>
Thanks, that's been playig on my mind for weeks... ;)
> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
> the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>
Lol, that would be funny, I don't think Joey would be that good at
Ms.Pacman...as he says he's not very fast, and for that you need quick
reflexes.
> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
>
No! Because it's not fun!
> ---o0o---
>
> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about four
> bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then Monica
> asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so Chandler
> replies that was what they went to the store for in the first place.
Why do you think they changed the teaser?
>
> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get Phoebe
> off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair to push
> him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
Lol
>
> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
Lol, that is good consistency from when he got his laptop!
>
> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
Lol, hope it's on the DVD!
>
> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
Ahh...so maybe it wasn't as much a filler as inteded?
>
> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must have
> been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be intact.
Well the writers must have had J&R as their priorities for this ep.
>
>No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
>
Owen
James
> > since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> > when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> > "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> > Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
> No, my friend you have to think. He's paying alimony to his 3 wives!!!
> :)
Unlikely...Carol was cheating on Ross, and broke up with him. No
alimony there, although he would be paying child support.
Emily was most likely an annulment, since they didn't consumate their
marriage...no alimony there, and besides she is in Britain.
Rachel and Ross got a dissolution, and no alimony was agreed
on...Rachel just wanted to end the "marriage" as quickly as possible.
My guess is that Ross' salary is lower than it was when he was working
in the museum. That, and paying for a larger apartment in the Village,
and paying child support, and probably 1/3 of Ben's schooling probably
taxes his resources more than in previous years.
>
> > Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> > pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> > he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
>
> If he rollerbladed there, chances are he didn't bring shoes. So it was
> either teach on rollerblades, or risk breaking his neck teaching with
> just his socks on.
Of course, if he would have thought it through, he would have left a
pair of shoes in his classroom to change into.
>
> > Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
> > was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
> > that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be that it's the
> > S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
> > apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
>
> I think Monica was just hesitant at the time to change up her perfect
> apartment when Chandler moved in. She didn't even feel comfortable
> with the Barcalounger being there.
>
> > What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
> > fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
>
> I believe that is actually "mother fucker". I thought that was common
> swearing in Britain.
Much more common in the US than in the UK.
>
> > Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
> > arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> > returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
> > Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
>
> I think everyone has come to the realization that there is just
> nothing exciting you can do with Chandler and Monica now that they are
> married except "coupley" stuff. They can't get into a fight and
> temporarily breakup anymore, they are locked together for life now.
Well, you could give them a baby as well...a double birth (maybe their
baby will be born premature)...Chandler or Monica could succumb to
temptation, etc.
>
> > Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
> > & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
> > Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>
> Very observant.
>
> > Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> > fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
>
> It's the only one this season to not end with any music or laughter.
>
> > No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
> >
> > Tennant Stuart
>
> Tennant, no spoilers here, because the furthest we have gone is 813,
> but it looks like from this episode that they are really committing to
> the Joey and Rachel storyline. It's a gutsy move by the writers, and
> one that I'm real happy they are trying out, because the moment Rachel
> moved in with Joey in TOW Ross Dates A Student, I knew there was
> something there that needed to be explored.
I really do hope that (if this is the final season) that Ross does get
some sort of hope of happiness with a real relationship.
James
Marita Bakken
> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
You bet! The main story in this episode was just so incredibly good, I
couldn't believe it.. I knew it would be good from the title of the
episode, but I don't think anybody expected it would be *this* good.
*Yawn* Please give this guy a crossword puzzle like Rachel had in 406
TOW The Dirty Girl or just a magazine like Phoebe in 520 TOW The Ride
Along. This was just dull.
> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
I couldn't stand a second of this story. It was stupid and
unnecessary. Granted, it was a tiny filler-story, but David Schwimmer
the actor deserves better than this. I'm not going into his
director-duties here, but this story was just another proof of how
silly Ross's character can get sometimes. And "The Geller Yeller"?
What's up with that?
If the writers plan on writing him out of the series and giving him a
permanent job as a director, they are doing an excellent job. How can
the audience care about and enjoy a character who worries about roller
blades when he should be doing other things?
I've already expressed my disgust over Ross in this episode and 811
about a thousand times (or at least it feels like it), so I'll suffice
it to say that Ross deserves better, and this story should have been
put in the trash can right after some of the writers came up with the
idea.
> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
Awww... Poor Mon. Every once in a while little fat Monica shines
through making her seem vulnerable.
Also, I got some really strong 506 TOW The Yeti vibes as Chandler
tried to move the video game. Apparently, he hasn't joined a gym and
built up his upper body since he tried to move Ross's fossil samples.
And another thing. Chandler's line about Phoebe not having to get them
anything was just like his line in 703 TOW Phoebe's Cookies about
their engagement:
"That's okay Pheebs, we're not having a party or anything, so you
don't have to get us.."
But I think he should expect something. After all, it was their
wedding.
> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
Did you notice that it said "United We Stand" on Chandler's red
sweater? Another nice tribute to the victims of 9/11 on the show.
Also, I think Chandler's "The Claw" was too similar to Jim Carrey in
the movie "Liar! Liar!". It seemed to me like they had stolen that
idea from the movie.
> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
> off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is. Phoebe takes
> over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
> blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
> to cover the little boy's ears!
Chandler wins! He beat them all! Can you believe it? Granted, he
ruined his fingers with it, but still, I hadn't expected that he would
beat Monica who's so much better than him in foosball. And it was so
great that he beat Phoebe at the game when she thought he "sucked" at
it. :)
This last scene was by far the best part of this storyline. Knowing
how Lisa Kudrow sometimes does swear at the tapings (that was revealed
in the bloopers show), it was funny to see her go nuts and curse like
crazy for a couple of seconds.
> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel advises
> him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that she really
> misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in shining armour,
> Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a pregnant lady. That
> evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a knock at the door - and
> to her surprise it's Joey.
Their first scene in Central Perk was crucial to this story. They were
so in sync when Ross came in, and when they started talking about
dating it, was further proof of how close these two are right now.
> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
I don't think there were many who weren't touched when he gave her the
bouquet of lilies. It was so cute! Of course, this clip was shown over
and over again in the promos for 812, making people even more excited
about the episode. (The also showed the last couple of seconds of the
episode (the "scared/terrified" part), but somehow I thought the
flower scene was far more meaningful than those words..
> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together. To
> keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on each
> other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is effective,
> hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst touching his
> hand) and he is quite affected by her.
Wasn't it sweet of him to let her order whatever she wanted, even
though she wanted lobster *and* filet mignon?
This made me start thinking, though. If Ross can't afford taking a cab
to the Freeman building, and Joey can afford going to fancy
restaurants and ordering luxurious meals, that must mean that Joey has
more money now than he did in 717 TOW The Cheap Wedding Dress.
> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
> that it was because he was with her.
What can you say about this scene? How good was their chemistry? Wow!
> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
> that she has just had on him...
You could literally see him falling for her in that scene. LeBlanc was
fabulous, and that nervous sound he made afterwards told us how
shocked he was. Joey didn't plan to fall in love with Rachel. Being
the group's best Friend, he has always been there for them, and now
that he has romantic feelings for one of them, one part of him is
shocked while the other one is confused.
> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
> Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
> But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
> is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women, he breaks
> off the date, and goes home early.
This other date was so revealing for Joey and the state he is right
now. His date was pretty, but dumb ("You mean like from behind?"), and
he merely shrugged his shoulders and wasn't attracted to her at all.
Hello? This is a clear sign that his crush on Rachel isn't just
something that's going to go away like that. He's fallen in love for
real this time around, even though he didn't plan it.
> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
I don't think that was it. I think he was terrified at the prospect of
what is going to happen to all of them now that he has realised that
he has feelings for her. He is scared of what his relationship with
her is going to be like, and he's afraid that she'll find out about
his feelings and freak out because of it. He's also afraid of the
others finding out about it, and he's scared that he might get hurt in
the near future.
But this last scene was so heartbreaking and wonderful, that the last,
tiny little part of me who wished for a RnR reunion is gone for good.
I cannot see the two of them getting together now. It's too late. Both
of them have moved on, and it's time they find happiness in other
people instead. I don't know if Joey will be the one for Rachel, but
this episode certainly brought him a lot closer.
> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
Ross's story was awful, plain and simple. I didn't laugh once, and
that last scene was painful to watch. When you have to use roller
blades to try to make the audience laugh, you're much better off
putting the character on the couch in Central Perk with just a few
lines.
However, if the purpose of this story was to show just how different
Ross and Rachel are these days and that a reconciliation is not in the
works, the writers did an amazing job. After watching this episode, I
think only the most hard-core RnR fans still wished for a reunion
ASAP.
I think the number of people who went from being RnR fans to JnR fans
after this episode says it all.
> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
Absolutely, he did a great job *behind* the camera. My suggestion is
that the writers keep him there until they find some good material for
Ross.
> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
I totally agree. They were amazing together (as always), and I
sincerely hope that their storyline will continue for a long, long
time.
> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
> has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
> not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
I wasn't! But you already know that. :)
I was cheering and almost jumping up and down. I watched it together
with a friend of mine (a so-called casual viewer who was into RnR
pre-812), but by the end of this episode she was grinning and
exclaimed: "Oh, my god! They are so great together!"
> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was only
> to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just a pretty
> face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend".
"Duh! Joey is and always has been an idiot!! He didn't know anything
back then!!" ;)
j/k
> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in 313
> "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the fifth
> season that their relationship went up a notch.
That was such a funny story!
> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even though
> all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits Joey", it
> was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey realised how
> his life was empty without someone to share it with, and he chose Rachel.
Yep, yep. These two have had foreshadowing for a long time. It's like
Chandler and Monica all over again, but then again, it's very
different and new.
> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers
> tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by
> his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the 'real' Joey was put
> back in a television career - while Rachel moved into his apartment, where
> she suddenly found new a liberation thanks to his easy going lifestyle.
This was where it really began. Their wet-paper towel fight in 618
told us that they were about to become the new successful duo on the
show.
> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together, even
> while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most significant
> since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories included 702 "TOW
> Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
> 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness than
> she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
> Chandler, and whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's
> Award", where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
Absolutely. Then again, we've already discussed these moments, and I
think it's fair to say that Rachel and Joey were the funniest
characters in season 7.
> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW Rachel's
> Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW the Stain" in
> which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of moving to Ross's
> building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where raging hormones made
> her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle for a quick fling.
And even though the scene in 811 was short, it still was the best
scene in the entire episode.
I also enjoyed their conversation about children in 806 TOW The
Halloween Party."
> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
He hasn't bothered to find out what the abbreviations for the
buildings mean?
And why on earth were the students still sitting in the classroom
after 50 minutes?
> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
He bought a sports car in 714, a bike for Phoebe in 709, and was
spending lots of money on Kristen in 717. Either he lost a lot of
money over the summer, or he is earning less money.
> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
Could be!
> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
It doesn't look like it, which is why it's so great that the mother of
his second child is such a successful career woman who earns a lot of
money herself! (Just like I said in another thread.)
> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
I'm sorry, but I didn't like it at all.
> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
Lol! You're right. And who knows, perhaps she heard Chandler mutter
something about it when his potential game-room was turned into a
beautiful guest room when she moved in?
> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
> was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
> that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be that it's the
> S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
> apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
This puzzled me. All of a sudden Monica loved videogames and had
totally forgotten her fight with Chandler in 603 on the exact same
subject. You're right that she loved playing foosball, and she also
seemed to enjoy playing pool in 306 TOW The Flashback. What happened
to that?
And where are they going to put the game? They cannot keep the
arcadegame in their living room (so I guess they'll have to ask Joey
to move it). So where? Their own bedroom?
> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
Phoebe seemed to have a lovely room in 709 TOW All The Candy.
> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
I don't know.. Pride?
> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she was
> not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing Joey &
> Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she yells out
> "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare "You suck!"
Yep. I watched that episode last night, and it is so funny! "Olympic
standing there team." Lol! Very appropriate right now!
> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
This has Greenpeace written all over it. Besides, she was very
attracted to her massage client in 404 who was a member of Greenpeace.
> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
Perhaps she isn't as strong as she'd like to believe?
> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
This is Chandler. Taking a day off is regular business for him.
> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
I would think so! That seems like the most obvious dirty deed
> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
You're hoping it was a "U," right?
> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably) in
> an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
I don't think I want to know. Poor kid.
> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
I think she said "motherfucker." As for the rest, the sequence was in
such a slow-mo, that I didn't understand it.
> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
I hadn't really expected a big storyline for the Bings this season,
but it's sad that Phoebe is only allowed to steal pens and play
videogames. She deserves to be in the spotlight more.
> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the doorpost,
> so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
I didn't interpret the scene that way, but yes, that was funny. :)
> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers, or
> a barbershop quartet?
Hah! ;)
I don't think I need to answer that question. Also, those lilies were
so beautiful, so no wonder Rachel liked them.
> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> front door?
There was? (I need a better tape.)
> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
> of Joey & Rachel?
I don't think they're so different anymore.. However, I do think they
complement each other.
> From all six, who would you punch?
Depends on which episode we are talking about.
204 TOW Phoebe's Husband - Rachel
802 TOW The Red Sweater - Monica (Awful..)
716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
314 TOW Phoebe's Ex-Partner - Joey
I can't think of any big moments for Chandler, but 208 TOW The List is
a good contender, even though he only tried to help.
803 TOW Rachel Tells - Ross. (Surprise, surprise..)
> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
Good question. He was so nice to her in e.g. 410 TOW The Girl From
Poughkeepsie. If she could have chosen anyone on the building, I think
Treeger would have been the one.
> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
Joey's hot date was certainly stupid enough to go into the men's
restroom. However, some restrooms have entrances where you have to
walk around a small wall to get to the restroom, and that might be the
case here.
> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
Absolutely! I loved that last scene, and even though they didn't say
much, it was pretty much the most dramatic moment we've had so far
this season.
> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
It sounds a bit creepy. They better not show this movie to Chandler!
> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
> the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
She probably hoped it would get hit by an ice-cream truck.
I don't think Joey is in the mood to play Ms Pacman at the moment.
> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
Gosh, yes, this is what distinguishes Friends from all the other
sitcoms here in the USA, and the rest of the world for that matter.
Those meaningful dramatic moments where you wonder what on earth is
going to happen, are the essence here while the comedy is a wonderful
icing... I was left counting the hours until the next episode..
> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about four
> bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then Monica
> asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so Chandler
> replies that was what they went to the store for in the first place.
Good thing they left this out.
> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get Phoebe
> off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair to push
> him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
Lol. While Monica fell off her chair rather easily in 807 TOW The
Stain..
> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
Grin. It's all about that boyish charm.
> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
LOL!! That was funny! I hope it shows up on the DVD.
> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
Yep. We got more than enough of the roller blades.
> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must have
> been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be intact.
And that was the most important stuff.
All in all, it was a very uneven episode. Ross's story was dull,
Chandler, Monica and Phoebe's story was nothing more than okay, but
the last story about Joey and Rachel was brilliant. This story might
turn out to be one of the most important plots we've had since
Chandler and Monica hooked up, and it is very promising at the moment.
Aniston and LeBlanc have *never* been better than they are at the
moment, and the prospect of the two characters hooking up is
incredibly intriguing... I love the direction the show is taking at
the moment! :)
~Marita
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ti...@pandora.be (Tieno) wrote:
>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>> Roomie was there? What do you think is the most romantic gesture
>> - a bouquet of flowers, or a barbershop quartet?
> Hmmm, I don't know if you are serious about this comparison or trying
> to make a point but I don't think it's fair to compare one of the most
> romantic things that Joey did for Rachel to something that Ross did
> because he was jealous.
> A better question would be :
> What is the most romantic gusture - a bouquet of flowers, or getting
> her the pin that was just like the pin Rachel's grandmother had when
> she was a little girl. Or in the museum planetarium in TOW Ross and
> Rachel.... You Know Or...
You're quite right, Tieno - I was not serious about the comparison,
I was trying to make a point, which to me was fairly obvious.
> All in all a good recap but I don't believe that the writers had a
> possible RnJ relationship in mind back in S6 and S7. To me they're
> just signs of friendship.
Well, apart from the way it seems that the writers do try things out
from time to time, to see how they go, many of those S6 & S7 instances
were as significant as the S3 & S4 instances between Chandler & Monica,
and that was just a friendship at the time also.
In any case, all I'm saying is that this development did not leap
out the blue, as some surprised fans have claimed. Some of us have
been discussing all the Joey & Rachel hinting for some time now.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
johnson...@yahoo.com (Anonymous) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.5c97f24afe...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
> Tennant, it's about time you finally posted a recap for this episode!
> I had been waiting for my fellow fan of a certain soon-to-be couple to
> make his comments on this episode.
Okay, but why did you snip out the spoiler space, Johnson?
This episode has not been shown in Britain yet, and will remain
spoilerish for many months yet.
British/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 812...
>> 812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel"
>> When Dr.Geller's department head retires, he doesn't think to apply for
>> promotion, but instead he accepts the old guy's advanced class, taking
>> place three times per week. Awkwardly, they're held in another building
>> across town, and Ross can't afford to keep using cabs back & forth.
>> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
>> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
>> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
>> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
> I know many Ross fans didn't like this because it made Ross look kind
> of dorky, but I thought he had great physical comedy bits while in the
> classroom, and it actually was probably one of the funniest "filler"
> storylines of the season.
I liked the roller blades myself, and so did all my friends who watched
the episode earlier on this evening, but other fans with whom I've been
corresponding in private did not like Ross's story at all, as you say.
>> ---o0o---
>> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
>> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
>> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
>> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
> You can see the candy bar joke coming a mile away. The writers have to
> get in their quota of "Fat Monica" jokes every episode it seems like.
Oh, I didn't see it coming, I thought it was delightful.
>> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
>> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
>> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
>> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
> You know, Chandler is starting to get so bloated again, with his man
> boobs they could really call him Ms. Chandler. ;-)
I'm afraid I rarely notice what he looks like, sorry. As long as his
comic timing is working then I don't mind how chubby he is. Come to
that, the girls could put a few pounds as well.
>> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his
>> filth off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is.
>> Phoebe takes over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she
>> turns the air blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives,
>> and his daddy has to cover the little boy's ears!
> Great punchline to the story. Once again, it was so short that it
> clearly was a filler, but it was still well written and well acted.
Yep, and Monica was so delightful. It's good to know that those scowls
in the second & third episodes have not continued into the season.
>> ---o0o---
>> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel
>> advises him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that
>> she really misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in
>> shining armour, Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a
>> pregnant lady. That evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a
>> knock at the door - and to her surprise it's Joey.
>> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
>> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
>> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
>> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
>> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
> When Rachel says that Joey is "protective" of her, it's just another
> example of the many lines the writers have used this season to show
> how much impact Rachel has had on his life. She also asks him to
> protect her while they are watching "Cujo" at the end. I think what it
> is setting up is that even though Rachel has developed into a strong,
> independent woman over the series, she still finds comfort in having a
> man that makes her feel safe and secure.
Exactly. And if you notice, Rachel has a special laugh that only Joey
elicits (JA is so great) which I first noticed on the Mr.Bowmont.
> Joey, even though he had done countless sweet gestures for Rachel this
> season, still was pretty much a player before this episode. This is
> where his personality really is being turned around into someone that
> is capable to have an aching love for another person. I think it's a
> great and important move in this series for Joey to discover this. I
> know some people hate change, but history shows us that changes
> usually are for the best.
Indeedy. But we have seen glimpses of that inner Joey before, most
notably with Kate Miller. He just needed the right woman to bring
it out of him. And don't forget that Rachel has changed also. When
in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey promised to treat her real nice, and he
pulled out a chair for her, she laughed, and pushed the chair back
in. These days when Joey does that, Rachel sits down in the chair.
>> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together.
>> To keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on
>> each other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is
>> effective, hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst
>> touching his hand) and he is quite affected by her.
>> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
>> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
>> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
>> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
>> that it was because he was with her.
> Yet another line the writers drop on us of a probable foreshadowing.
> Joey had the best time BECAUSE he was dating Rachel.
Exactly, Johnson!
>> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
>> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
>> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
>> that she has just had on him...
> I found it just a tiny bit unbelievable that Rachel would suddenly
> turn around after moaning to Joey like that without noticing something
> going on. But, as in the past, Rachel has mastered the art of being
> oblivious to a person's feelings for her.
Well, to her it was just a trick that she was *demonstrating*, not a
trick she was *pulling*, so she wasn't expecting any consequences.
>> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same
>> restaurant, Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd
>> recommended to her. But although his companion is quite attractive, all
>> Joey can think about is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all
>> other women, he breaks off the date, and goes home early.
> Little trivia tidbit. The hot date Joey had actually once was a
> Playboy Playmate, at least that's what it had on her acting resume, so
> you know Joey must be in love when he doesn't even have any interest
> in the playmate he's on a date with.
Really? Her name is Krista Allen, but there's nothing about Playboy in
her IMDb entry, though she has played Emmanuelle in several films, as
well as "Baywatch", and some soaps. Well, all I can say is that for a
former playmate, she can't hold a candle to Jennifer Aniston.
>> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
>> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
>> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
>> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
>> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
>> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
> I tend to disagree with you here. I don't think it's the prospect of
> losing her that's the problem, it's the realization that his feelings
> for Rachel has the potential to permanently damage his friendship and
> living situation with her if she didn't feel the same way, and add
> that to the fact that Ross is the father AND ex-boyfriend of this
> woman, and he could kill his friendship to Ross as well.
That doesn't sound like disagreement to me, Johnson. :)
> BUT, if Rachel did return his feelings and Ross was ok with it, Joey
> would literally be in Nirvana with Rachel. He is finally learning all
> of the risks and heartbreaks that are involved in love, and it is
> terrifying him.
Yep. It's a good story, isn't it?
>> ---o0o---
>> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
>> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
>> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
> David has an incredible amount of responsibility directing an episode
> of Friends, so he has to have less lines to learn in an episode he's
> directing in order to concentrate on setting up all of the scenes and
> cameras properly. I bet when Jennifer Aniston directs later on, she
> will have a very small part on screen as Rachel.
Oh for sure, but I'm saying that his part was too *large*.
>> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
>> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
>> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
>> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
> Schwimmer nailed it on this episode. I would be shocked if he doesn't
> get an Emmy nod for directing this episode. I have never seen a single
> episode turn so many opinions around like TOW Joey Dates Rachel did.
Proof if ever it was needed that it is best to read spoilers *after*
watching the episode. I've seen some people insist that they were so
disgusted by the turn of events that they would not watch the episode.
> People who claimed that they were longtime R&R fans suddenly turned
> around and said they wanted to see Joey and Rachel try it out. A poll
> administered by NBC the week after the show aired asked who the
> favorite couple on Friends was, and the results were:
> Joey and Rachel 36%
> Monica and Chandler 16%
> Ross and Rachel 34%
> Joey and Phoebe 13%
> Now, the NBC website gets hundreds of thousands of hits daily, so for
> Joey and Rachel to win this poll is quite a substantial statement on
> the shift in opinion.
Yes, I've seen that poll result being debated on Angel's Friends, and
some R+R fans accused the R+J fans of fiddling the result, while the
R+J fans said that the R+R fans could have done the same. Then others
accused the R+P fans of abandoning their couple to vote for R+R in a
bid to keep Joey away from the clutches of Rachel...
Of course, I'm neutral, since I'm *not* an R+J fan, but an R+P fan. ;)
>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
>> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
>> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
> It has brought Matt LeBlanc into the spotlight, finally. In addition
> to having a huge article on him in the national newspaper USA Today
> last week, he is scheduled to appear on "The Tonight Show" the night
> before 814-TOW The Secret Closet airs. Since he has no movies to
> promote, he must be on to discuss the storyline with him and Jennifer
> that has generated a lot of buzz.
I should think so. It's quite amazing how MLB has lifted his game.
>> ---o0o---
>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the
>> fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out
>> to them.
> We've pointed it out, but some people choose to see things and others
> don't. That's just the way of life.
To my amazement, people are still claiming that there was absolutely no
foreshadowing whatsoever for Chandler & Monica before they got together.
>> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
>> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
>> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories
>> included 702 "TOW Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on
>> too strong for him; 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her
>> more about happiness than she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies"
>> where they ganged up against Chandler, and whispered secrets in each
>> other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award", where we saw how much his show
>> business career turns her on.
> OMG, I can't believe you left out probably the most dramatic episode
> between them in the 7th season in 707 TOW Ross's Library Book. Rachel
> tried to convince Joey to continue to date a woman, only to learn that
> the woman didn't really like him, and Rachel was forced to give Joey
> the news that someone has decided to dump him.
I left out more than that Johnson, it would have been a very long list
otherwise. Look at her moaning & writhing on his lap at the end of 713
"TOW Rosita Dies", or Joey manipulating all his friends in 30 seconds
so that he gets to kiss Rachel at midnight at the start of 511 "TOW All
the Resolutions", or in 708 "TOW Chandler Doesn't Like Dogs" where she
understood that his moo point made sense to her because they had lived
together for so long, or 710 "TOW the Holiday Armadillo" in which she
told Phoebe of all people how adorable Joey was. Also, in 707 which
you've already mentioned, she hugged him to her ample bosom just for
talking about having kids, and begged him not to marry before she
did. And don't forget Phoebe's prediction (among others) in 602 "TOW
Ross Hugs Rachel" that he'd marry Rachel, and have beautiful kids.
>> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW
>> Rachel's Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW
>> the Stain" in which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of
>> moving to Ross's building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where
>> raging hormones made her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle
>> for a quick fling.
> I still don't like how they handled TOW Ross's Step Forward, but that
> nursery scene in TOW The Stain was super-huge-giant-major league
> foreshadowing if there ever was such a thing.
Yep. When the R+R fans debated the spoiler it was already a done thing
that Rachel would leave Joey for Ross, no other possibility was allowed.
>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
> Depends on which building at NYU Ross was leaving from.
What's the nearest and the furthest?
>> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
>> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
>> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
>> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
> No, my friend you have to think. He's paying alimony to his 3 wives!!!
> :)
I see your smiley, but surely only Carol receives alimony.
>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
> If he rollerbladed there, chances are he didn't bring shoes. So it was
> either teach on rollerblades, or risk breaking his neck teaching with
> just his socks on.
Why is that? Slippery floors? Why not take his socks off too?
>> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
>> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
>> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
>> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball
>> at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for
>> being too good.
> I think Monica was just hesitant at the time to change up her perfect
> apartment when Chandler moved in. She didn't even feel comfortable
> with the Barcalounger being there.
Good point, except she *detested* the Barcalounger, proof in itself
that Chandler is not henpecked.
>> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
>> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
> I believe that is actually "mother fucker". I thought that was common
> swearing in Britain.
Not in the circles that I frequent.
>> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
>> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
>> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
>> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
> I think everyone has come to the realization that there is just
> nothing exciting you can do with Chandler and Monica now that they are
> married except "coupley" stuff. They can't get into a fight and
> temporarily breakup anymore, they are locked together for life now.
Indeed, but I miss the Chandler/Joey and Monica/Rachel stories.
> Personally, I don't mind when a couple of people are dominating a
> storyline if it is what people are tuning into see. The first two
> years was mostly Ross and Rachel storylines that people tuned into
> see, so they really didn't care too much to watch the throwaway
> storylines the other 4 were getting.
Yes, but during those R+R years, we had other arcs such as Monica &
Richard, or Chandler & Janice, and also their career ups & downs.
> Chandler and Monica's storyline blended in much better with everyone
> else, and didn't dominate like R&R did. Phoebe's pregnancy did tend to
> dominate the 4th season, so you are left with Joey who hasn't really
> dominated one portion of the show. Obviously, from viewer reaction,
> most people want to see Joey fall in love, and a majority of those
> people want to see it with his roomie Rachel. So I think it's a
> perfect compliment to have them and Ross have the dominating
> storyline, because that's what most want to see right now.
Well, they certainly make a cute couple, while JA & MLB are the
hottest actors on the cast right now (not denigrating the others).
>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>> Roomie was there? What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a
>> bouquet of flowers, or a barbershop quartet?
> Well, when Joey gets her favorite, lillies, then the flowers are
> definitely more romantic.
Yep.
>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>> front door?
> Huh?
Go look (though people who download episodes probably can't see it).
>> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
>> of Joey & Rachel?
> I think it signifies the end of one era, and the beginning of another.
Yes, could be.
>> From all six, who would you punch?
> Ross, just so he could stop being so weird.
Yep. God, he was so great again in 709 "TOW All the Candy", 710 "TOW the
Holiday Armadillo", and 716 "TOW the Truth About London", and that was
working with all 3 actresses (though 709 was my favourite of course).
>> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
>> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
> Did you also notice that the first time in class Ross threw his
> overcoat on the coatrack pole and missed, yet next time we see it the
> scene the coat has magically been hung on the pole.
Did it? Oh, thanks!
>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
>> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
>> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
> Very observant.
Well, Joey was so fantastic in that episode...
JOEY: (To Monica) Hey. That uh, that my sweatshirt?
MONICA: Yes, it is. Sorry I borrowed it, I was cold. I hope it's okay?
JOEY: Well uh, it's just that uh, if you're gonna be wearing someone's
sweatshirt shouldn't it be your boyfriend's... and I'm not him.
MONICA: I'm sorry, I'll give it back to you.
JOEY: No-no! No! I mean it's gonna be all smelling like Monica!
MONICA: Are you saying I smell bad?
JOEY: No! No, you smell like a meadow. I'm sorry. (He runs away.)
MONICA: What's with him?
CHANDLER: Oh, y'know what? The last time Joey went to a meadow, his
mother was shot by a hunter.
..in which we see that Joey's reaction to what might be a meaningful yet
out-of-bounds relationship is nothing new, and that Chandler attributes
Joey's behaviour to the lowest possible common denominator.
>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
> It's the only one this season to not end with any music or laughter.
>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
>> Tennant Stuart
> Tennant, no spoilers here, because the furthest we have gone is 813,
> but it looks like from this episode that they are really committing to
> the Joey and Rachel storyline. It's a gutsy move by the writers, and
> one that I'm real happy they are trying out, because the moment Rachel
> moved in with Joey in TOW Ross Dates A Student, I knew there was
> something there that needed to be explored.
Yep, but please don't go snipping any more spoiler space, Johnson.
> Who knows? If Joey and Rachel do happen to work out, this might leave
> the door open to Ross and Phoebe getting together.
Just as long as there's enough time...
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
Tennant
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Tennant Stuart
SPOILER WARNING!
BEWARE THAT THE FOLLOWING POST FROM JOHNSON WALKER IS WITHOUT SPOILER SPACE!
Anonymous
> > Tennant, it's about time you finally posted a recap for this episode!
> > I had been waiting for my fellow fan of a certain soon-to-be couple to
> > make his comments on this episode.
>
> Okay, but why did you snip out the spoiler space, Johnson?
>
> This episode has not been shown in Britain yet, and will remain
> spoilerish for many months yet.
Ok Tennant, fair enough. But why are you even posting a recap about
the episode that has aired yet in Britain in the UK forum in the first
place?!? Shouldn't this thread be reserved to the US forum since the
episode has been seen by everyone here?
The post I made was from the US forum, and since the episode has been
seen by everyone here, I felt the spoiler space was unneeded. Maybe
you need to keep the recaps of shows that haven't aired yet in Britain
out of the forum.
Tennant Stuart
bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.5c97f24afe...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
> You bet! The main story in this episode was just so incredibly good, I
> couldn't believe it.. I knew it would be good from the title of the
> episode, but I don't think anybody expected it would be *this* good.
Det er fint at du er enig med meg!!! :)
Exactly. Just think what they could have done with the time saved.
>> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
>> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
>> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
>> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
> I couldn't stand a second of this story. It was stupid and
> unnecessary. Granted, it was a tiny filler-story, but David Schwimmer
> the actor deserves better than this. I'm not going into his
> director-duties here, but this story was just another proof of how
> silly Ross's character can get sometimes.
Exactly.
> And "The Geller Yeller"? What's up with that?
You can see Rachel wincing at that.
> If the writers plan on writing him out of the series and giving him a
> permanent job as a director, they are doing an excellent job. How can
> the audience care about and enjoy a character who worries about roller
> blades when he should be doing other things?
I agree - although I did like the way David Schwimmer (not Ross) rolled
across the room to use the stick on the doorway, with his boyish grin.
> I've already expressed my disgust over Ross in this episode and 811
> about a thousand times (or at least it feels like it), so I'll suffice
> it to say that Ross deserves better, and this story should have been
> put in the trash can right after some of the writers came up with the
> idea.
DS has to like this sort of stuff, he was the director.
>> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
>> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
>> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
>> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
> Awww... Poor Mon. Every once in a while little fat Monica shines
> through making her seem vulnerable.
Yeah. :)
> Also, I got some really strong 506 TOW The Yeti vibes as Chandler
> tried to move the video game. Apparently, he hasn't joined a gym and
> built up his upper body since he tried to move Ross's fossil samples.
Lol yes, well spotted!
> And another thing. Chandler's line about Phoebe not having to get them
> anything was just like his line in 703 TOW Phoebe's Cookies about
> their engagement:
> "That's okay Pheebs, we're not having a party or anything, so you
> don't have to get us.."
> But I think he should expect something. After all, it was their
> wedding.
Quite so. And again it was Monica who insisted.
And your quote shows up a small inconsistency (but not a continuity
error) in that there *was* an engagement party according to 811.
>> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
>> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
>> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
>> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
> Did you notice that it said "United We Stand" on Chandler's red
> sweater? Another nice tribute to the victims of 9/11 on the show.
No, I missed that one. Does it refer to anything in particular?
> Also, I think Chandler's "The Claw" was too similar to Jim Carrey in
> the movie "Liar! Liar!". It seemed to me like they had stolen that
> idea from the movie.
Had he been playing a video game, then?
>> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his
>> filth off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is.
>> Phoebe takes over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she
>> turns the air blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives,
>> and his daddy has to cover the little boy's ears!
> Chandler wins! He beat them all! Can you believe it? Granted, he
> ruined his fingers with it, but still, I hadn't expected that he would
> beat Monica who's so much better than him in foosball. And it was so
> great that he beat Phoebe at the game when she thought he "sucked" at
> it. :)
Yes, another one to chalk up! And Monica was last, losing yet again.
> This last scene was by far the best part of this storyline. Knowing
> how Lisa Kudrow sometimes does swear at the tapings (that was revealed
> in the bloopers show), it was funny to see her go nuts and curse like
> crazy for a couple of seconds.
Indeedy. I'm sure that scene was inspired by reality.
>> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel
>> advises him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that
>> she really misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in
>> shining armour, Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a
>> pregnant lady. That evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a
>> knock at the door - and to her surprise it's Joey.
> Their first scene in Central Perk was crucial to this story. They were
> so in sync when Ross came in, and when they started talking about
> dating it, was further proof of how close these two are right now.
Yep. Notice how Joey knew exactly which buttons to press.
>> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
>> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
>> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
>> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
>> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
> I don't think there were many who weren't touched when he gave her the
> bouquet of lilies. It was so cute! Of course, this clip was shown over
> and over again in the promos for 812, making people even more excited
> about the episode. (The also showed the last couple of seconds of the
> episode (the "scared/terrified" part), but somehow I thought the
> flower scene was far more meaningful than those words..
Indeedy, but seeing the promo defused some of the power of that scene,
for when I heard the knock at the door, I just didn't know who would be
standing there, and I guessed it would be Ross getting in the way.
However, as she walked to the door, I was fervently wishing "let it
be Joey, let it be Joey, let it be Joey" because I instantly realised
how romantic that would be - hence the subtitle to this review.
>> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together.
>> To keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on
>> each other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is
>> effective, hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst
>> touching his hand) and he is quite affected by her.
> Wasn't it sweet of him to let her order whatever she wanted, even
> though she wanted lobster *and* filet mignon?
It sure was, and note that he carefully avoided any poultry.
Plus if you think about it, we have very rarely seen Joey out on a
date, it's far more likely to be Ross. The reason is simple, success
is *usually* quite boring to watch, compared with ineptitude.
> This made me start thinking, though. If Ross can't afford taking a cab
> to the Freeman building, and Joey can afford going to fancy restaurants
> and ordering luxurious meals, that must mean that Joey has more money
> now than he did in 717 TOW The Cheap Wedding Dress.
Joey must have received a big pay rise when he took over the rôle of
Jessica, and though that happened in 713, maybe he had debts to pay.
>> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
>> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
>> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
>> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
>> that it was because he was with her.
> What can you say about this scene? How good was their chemistry? Wow!
They zinged. They zipped. They zizzled.
Some fans still cite Ross & Rachel's break-up in 316 as being better,
but it's far easier to capture the audience's emotions with tragedy,
especially on top of 2½ years worth of investment in the characters.
>> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
>> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
>> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
>> that she has just had on him...
> You could literally see him falling for her in that scene. LeBlanc was
> fabulous, and that nervous sound he made afterwards told us how
> shocked he was. Joey didn't plan to fall in love with Rachel. Being
> the group's best Friend, he has always been there for them, and now
> that he has romantic feelings for one of them, one part of him is
> shocked while the other one is confused.
Exactly. You put that very well, sweetie. :)
>> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same
>> restaurant, Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd
>> recommended to her. But although his companion is quite attractive, all
>> Joey can think about is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all
>> other women, he breaks off the date, and goes home early.
> This other date was so revealing for Joey and the state he is right
> now. His date was pretty, but dumb ("You mean like from behind?"),
Yes, the difference between her & Joey was so obvious.
> and he merely shrugged his shoulders and wasn't attracted to her at
> all. Hello? This is a clear sign that his crush on Rachel isn't just
> something that's going to go away like that. He's fallen in love for
> real this time around, even though he didn't plan it.
Yep. Often the English expression to *fall* in love seems weird if you
think about it (what is Norwegian like?) but here the metaphor shows its
worth. The poor guy. This could end really badly for him, especially if
this is the last season, and the writers are planning for six dooms...
>> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
>> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
>> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
>> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
>> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
>> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
> I don't think that was it. I think he was terrified at the prospect of
> what is going to happen to all of them now that he has realised that
> he has feelings for her. He is scared of what his relationship with
> her is going to be like, and he's afraid that she'll find out about
> his feelings and freak out because of it. He's also afraid of the
> others finding out about it, and he's scared that he might get hurt in
> the near future.
Yeah, Johnson Walker made much the same comment, and now that you have
too, I see that I didn't put that very well. I was relying too much on
the ellipsis to convey the Kippish chain of events that will surely
follow if this goes badly. Fortunately for Monica, she was drunk.
> But this last scene was so heartbreaking and wonderful, that the last,
> tiny little part of me who wished for a RnR reunion is gone for good.
Awww... that's sad in a way. For me it was the barbershop quartet, even
though I didn't realise its significance until he set her desk on fire.
> I cannot see the two of them getting together now. It's too late. Both
> of them have moved on, and it's time they find happiness in other
> people instead. I don't know if Joey will be the one for Rachel, but
> this episode certainly brought him a lot closer.
Welcome to the club, sweetheart. :)
>> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
>> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
>> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
> Ross's story was awful, plain and simple. I didn't laugh once, and
> that last scene was painful to watch. When you have to use roller
> blades to try to make the audience laugh, you're much better off
> putting the character on the couch in Central Perk with just a few
> lines.
What did you think of Monica on wheels, in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck"?
> However, if the purpose of this story was to show just how different
> Ross and Rachel are these days and that a reconciliation is not in the
> works, the writers did an amazing job. After watching this episode, I
> think only the most hard-core RnR fans still wished for a reunion ASAP.
Absolutely.
> I think the number of people who went from being RnR fans to JnR fans
> after this episode says it all.
I'm just trying to think who it was on ATF convinced me that JnR would
make a great couple, since originally I envisaged the pair going their
separate ways, in pursuit of their careers.
>> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
>> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
>> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
>> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
> Absolutely, he did a great job *behind* the camera. My suggestion is
> that the writers keep him there until they find some good material for
> Ross.
Yeppity. They need new contractual arrangements where there are no filler
stories, (well, no bad ones), using the time saved for the other plots.
>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
>> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
>> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
> I totally agree. They were amazing together (as always), and I
> sincerely hope that their storyline will continue for a long, long
> time.
Yay! If it continues for at least 2½ years, everyone associated with
the show will make a lot more money for as long as reruns are shown.
>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are
>> the fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was
>> pointed out to them.
> I wasn't! But you already know that. :)
"But sitting squashed up together just don't mean nothing!"
> I was cheering and almost jumping up and down.
Fantastic! :)
> I watched it together with a friend of mine (a so-called casual viewer
> who was into RnR pre-812), but by the end of this episode she was
> grinning and exclaimed: "Oh, my god! They are so great together!"
Exactly! And for once, Rachel didn't drop any food on the floor...
>> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that
>> was only to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more
>> than just a pretty face when she listened to his advice, in 201
>> "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend".
> "Duh! Joey is and always has been an idiot!! He didn't know anything
> back then!!" ;)
> j/k
Absolutely - and even if he did, the only thing he knows about is
relationships, just like any typical man...
>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
>> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
> That was such a funny story!
Oh yes! I love the way that Ross was allowed an intelligence he rarely
exhibits these days, to appreciate the subtlety with which Joey avoided
spoiling the book for Rachel, even though it was lost on Chandler.
>> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even
>> though all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits
>> Joey", it was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey
>> realised how his life was empty without someone to share it with, and
>> he chose Rachel.
> Yep, yep. These two have had foreshadowing for a long time. It's like
> Chandler and Monica all over again, but then again, it's very
> different and new.
Absolutely. Even if all else is a figment of our imaginations, Rachel's
advice in 516 "TOW the Cop" has been out there for almost three years.
JOEY: Won't-won't that take longer?
RACHEL: Yeah. Yeah, but once you find it, ohh it's so worth the wait.
>> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the
>> producers tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was
>> turned on by his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the
>> 'real' Joey was put back in a television career - while Rachel moved
>> into his apartment, where she suddenly found a new liberation thanks to
>> his easy going lifestyle.
> This was where it really began. Their wet-paper towel fight in 618
> told us that they were about to become the new successful duo on the
> show.
That's right. It was the second turning point in her life, the first
being the moment that she cut up all her father's credit cards.
>> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
>> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
>> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories
>> included 702 "TOW Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on
>> too strong for him; 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her
>> more about happiness than she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies"
>> where they ganged up against Chandler, and whispered secrets in each
>> other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award", where we saw how much his show
>> business career turns her on.
> Absolutely. Then again, we've already discussed these moments, and I
> think it's fair to say that Rachel and Joey were the funniest
> characters in season 7.
Yes, I think it is fair to say that. But according to my reviews, these
are the characters whom I singled out for most praise, if any...
703 Rachel & Joey
705 Ross & Phoebe
706 Phoebe & Rachel & Ross
707 Janice
709 Ross & Phoebe
710 Ross
711 Chandler & Rachel
712 Joey & Ross
713 Phoebe
714 Monica
715 Joey
716 Joey
717 Monica
718 Joey & Rachel
719 Joey & Monica
722 Chandler & Monica
..though you'll differ on some of those. Nevertheless, that totals...
6 Joey
5 Ross
4 Monica & Phoebe & Rachel
2 Chandler
1 Janice
>> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW
>> Rachel's Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW
>> the Stain" in which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of
>> moving to Ross's building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where
>> raging hormones made her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle
>> for a quick fling.
> And even though the scene in 811 was short, it still was the best
> scene in the entire episode.
That's right - Joey's presence was felt throughout the story even
though he wasn't there, so when at last he did appear, he lifted
it onto a new level, strung with sexual tension.
> I also enjoyed their conversation about children in 806 TOW The
> Halloween Party."
Oh! I totally missed that bit! Yes of course, thanks!
If you read between the lines, what Joey's *really* saying goes..
"Don't worry that you'll be unable to cope with your child.
You will do real fine - just as long as I don't walk away."
>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
> He hasn't bothered to find out what the abbreviations for the
> buildings mean?
I know! It's hardly his first day at NYU.
> And why on earth were the students still sitting in the classroom
> after 50 minutes?
Good point. They should have given up on him long before that.
Maybe old Dr.Newman was occasionally tardy, so he'd mark you up a
grade if you studied your books while patiently waiting for him.
>> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
>> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
>> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
>> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> He bought a sports car in 714, a bike for Phoebe in 709, and was
> spending lots of money on Kristen in 717. Either he lost a lot of
> money over the summer, or he is earning less money.
Maybe he invested in his father's plan to sell ice over the internet.
>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
> Could be!
Yep, we were assuming that Carol & Susan each paid a third of that,
but what if their contribution is far less? What if Susan left Carol
some months ago, and it's a big secret? (Ben believes some excuse).
>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
> It doesn't look like it, which is why it's so great that the mother of
> his second child is such a successful career woman who earns a lot of
> money herself! (Just like I said in another thread.)
I've dug the pre-814 posts out of my own archive, but I haven't had
time to go through them all yet. However, I did see from the subject
titles that these include a ridiculous notion that Ross should have
custody of the new baby, especially since Joey will cheat on Rachel.
>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
> I'm sorry, but I didn't like it at all.
It was just David's little acrobatic flourish that I liked.
>> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
>> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
>> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
> Lol! You're right. And who knows, perhaps she heard Chandler mutter
> something about it when his potential game-room was turned into a
> beautiful guest room when she moved in?
Oh she must have done. They all sit around in Central Perk discussing
the events of the day, which we've seen played out in only 22 minutes.
>> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
>> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
>> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
>> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball
>> at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for
>> being too good.
> This puzzled me. All of a sudden Monica loved videogames and had
> totally forgotten her fight with Chandler in 603 on the exact same
> subject. You're right that she loved playing foosball, and she also
> seemed to enjoy playing pool in 306 TOW The Flashback. What happened
> to that?
Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
> And where are they going to put the game? They cannot keep the
> arcadegame in their living room (so I guess they'll have to ask Joey
> to move it). So where? Their own bedroom?
Maybe Ms.Pacman will end up on the balcony with Pat the dog. :)
>> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
>> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
> Phoebe seemed to have a lovely room in 709 TOW All The Candy.
Good point, yes she did.
Maybe Phoebe despoiled the huge bedroom closets which we never see.
>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
> I don't know.. Pride?
Possible.
>> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
>> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
>> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
>> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
>> "You suck!"
> Yep. I watched that episode last night, and it is so funny! "Olympic
> standing there team." Lol! Very appropriate right now!
I love the promo with the young girl who isn't very good at ice dancing,
since she keeps sliding into all the other little skaters, but when she
grows up she's the captain of the US women's ice hockey team!
>> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
>> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
> This has Greenpeace written all over it. Besides, she was very
> attracted to her massage client in 404 who was a member of Greenpeace.
Lol, when she bit his sciatic area, he didn't go limp!
>> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
>> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
> Perhaps she isn't as strong as she'd like to believe?
That's what I'm thinking...
>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
> This is Chandler. Taking a day off is regular business for him.
It's nice to know he's not a workaholic. :)
>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
>> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
>> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
> I would think so! That seems like the most obvious dirty deed
Yes! I've now seen that several others had the same idea!
And they keep saying "you suck"...
>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
> You're hoping it was a "U," right?
Yep!
>> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably)
>> in an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
> I don't think I want to know. Poor kid.
They are slowly coming out with worse & worse revelations about his
childhood - I wonder if they're leading up to something...
>> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
>> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
> I think she said "motherfucker." As for the rest, the sequence was in
> such a slow-mo, that I didn't understand it.
Yes, it's frustrating being unable to make something clearer by slowing it.
>> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
>> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
>> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
>> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
> I hadn't really expected a big storyline for the Bings this season,
> but it's sad that Phoebe is only allowed to steal pens and play
> videogames. She deserves to be in the spotlight more.
Yep. BTW, did you notice my pregnant text picture - Rachel(baby) ? ;)
>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>> Roomie was there?
> I didn't interpret the scene that way, but yes, that was funny. :)
How did you interpret it then?
As soon as Rachel laid eyes on her gentleman caller, she turned right
around to look into Joey's room, and then she turned back to ask "What
are you doing here? I thought you were in your room."
>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
>> or a barbershop quartet?
> Hah! ;)
I knew you would get it. :)
> I don't think I need to answer that question. Also, those lilies were
> so beautiful, so no wonder Rachel liked them.
And so fashionable..
>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>> front door?
> There was? (I need a better tape.)
Well, I can see it in the long-shot: but for a close-up, look past the
back of Rachel's head as she opens the door, at just below the peep-hole.
>> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
>> of Joey & Rachel?
> I don't think they're so different anymore.. However, I do think they
> complement each other.
Yep.
>> From all six, who would you punch?
> Depends on which episode we are talking about.
> 204 TOW Phoebe's Husband - Rachel
Lol, for "there is nothing sexier than a man who
does not want to have sex"?
> 802 TOW The Red Sweater - Monica (Awful..)
It only lasted a few seconds!
> 716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
She believed she'd been poisoned.
> 314 TOW Phoebe's Ex-Partner - Joey
Lol, for throwing Ginger's wooden leg on the fire?
> I can't think of any big moments for Chandler, but 208 TOW The List is
> a good contender, even though he only tried to help.
Yeah, I wanted to punch him then.
> 803 TOW Rachel Tells - Ross. (Surprise, surprise..)
For his oh-so-romantic proposal?
>> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
> Good question. He was so nice to her in e.g. 410 TOW The Girl From
> Poughkeepsie. If she could have chosen anyone on the building, I think
> Treeger would have been the one.
Ooh yes, and then Joey would squeeze him down the garbage chute.
>> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
>> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
> Joey's hot date was certainly stupid enough to go into the men's
> restroom. However, some restrooms have entrances where you have to
> walk around a small wall to get to the restroom, and that might be the
> case here.
Oh yes, that could be. Thanks.
>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
>> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
>> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
> Absolutely! I loved that last scene, and even though they didn't say
> much, it was pretty much the most dramatic moment we've had so far
> this season.
I knowww! Sheer "Friends" magic...
>> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
>> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
>> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
>> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
>> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
>> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
> It sounds a bit creepy. They better not show this movie to Chandler!
That depends on what happens to Cujo in the end...
>> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
>> the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
> She probably hoped it would get hit by an ice-cream truck.
Lol, and dragged for 19 blocks?
> I don't think Joey is in the mood to play Ms Pacman at the moment.
No, I guess not, he's not a happy bunny just yet.
>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
> Gosh, yes, this is what distinguishes Friends from all the other
> sitcoms here in the USA, and the rest of the world for that matter.
Exactly.
> Those meaningful dramatic moments where you wonder what on earth is
> going to happen, are the essence here while the comedy is a wonderful
> icing... I was left counting the hours until the next episode..
Ooh, this is where I get my own back for the S7 finale - instead of
having to wait for 167½ hours, it was merely a few seconds...
>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about
>> four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then
>> Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so
>> Chandler replies that was what they went to the store for in the first
>> place.
> Good thing they left this out.
It does sound a bit weak.
>> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
>> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
>> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
> Lol. While Monica fell off her chair rather easily in 807 TOW The
> Stain..
Yes, and Joey fell off his stool in 710 "TOW the Holiday Armadillo".
>> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
>> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
>> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
> Grin. It's all about that boyish charm.
Hehe, but at the moment it's Joey who's got that.
>> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
>> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
>> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
>> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
>> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
> LOL!! That was funny! I hope it shows up on the DVD.
Me2 - fingers crossed.
>> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
>> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
> Yep. We got more than enough of the roller blades.
Okay.
>> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
>> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
>> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must
>> have been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be
>> intact.
> And that was the most important stuff.
Absolutely. Phew!
> All in all, it was a very uneven episode. Ross's story was dull,
> Chandler, Monica and Phoebe's story was nothing more than okay, but
> the last story about Joey and Rachel was brilliant. This story might
> turn out to be one of the most important plots we've had since
> Chandler and Monica hooked up, and it is very promising at the moment.
Yes, just as long as they don't forget about it in the next episode...
> Aniston and LeBlanc have *never* been better than they are at the
> moment, and the prospect of the two characters hooking up is
> incredibly intriguing... I love the direction the show is taking at
> the moment! :)
So do I! I just *love* all of this!!!
Fantastic reply, Marita - thankyou so much... :)
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
Tennant
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consider Tenant's cross posts to the UK a service, but with consideration
for those who wish to remain in unbiased anticipation.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.072e874aff...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>> Tennant, it's about time you finally posted a recap for this episode!
>>> I had been waiting for my fellow fan of a certain soon-to-be couple to
>>> make his comments on this episode.
>> Okay, but why did you snip out the spoiler space, Johnson?
>> This episode has not been shown in Britain yet, and will remain
>> spoilerish for many months yet.
> Ok Tennant, fair enough. But why are you even posting a recap about
> the episode that has aired yet in Britain in the UK forum in the first
> place?!? Shouldn't this thread be reserved to the US forum since the
> episode has been seen by everyone here?
The US forum is alt.tv.friends.northamerica - alt.tv.friends is the forum
for the whole world. The convention on ATF is that spoiler space is required
until episodes have been aired on network TV in Britain, which gives time
for other countries to see the episodes on their subscription channels.
> The post I made was from the US forum, and since the episode has been
> seen by everyone here, I felt the spoiler space was unneeded. Maybe
> you need to keep the recaps of shows that haven't aired yet in Britain
> out of the forum.
Many fans in Britain download the episodes within a few days of their
airing on NBC. However Johnson, the point is that I put plenty of spoiler
space on my review which you removed. I didn't put it there as a joke.
Tennant Stuart
Shiers" <str...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Tennant wrote:
>> ---o0o---
Me too. You didn't think that the vending machine joke was predictable?
>> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
>> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
>> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
>> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
> It's one huge dun dun dun alright!
I knowww!!! I so wanted to dun³ it, but I already used it for 723.
>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
>> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
>> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
> It was a fantastic, although I don't think it's on a parr with R&R's
> split up...
I didn't like the R&R scenes in that episode, although the trail and
the trapped four were fun. In any case, it's far easier to capture the
audience's emotions with tragedy, especially when they have invested 2½
years in becoming involved with the characters.
>> ---o0o---
>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the
>> fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out
>> to them.
> You definitely cannot say it's out of the blue, although I'm undecided
> about Rachel's feelings.
It's possible everybody is, including the writers.
But look what happened the instant Rachel found out, in 124.
>> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was
>> only to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just
>> a pretty face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New
>> Girlfriend".
> Yes, it was this attitude that Joey had for quite a while.
This attitude?
>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
>> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
> Yes, I think it was entirely physical for Rachel from Joey, which would
> accompany the of having sex with thousands of women.
So people assume. But from what we've *seen*, the scores so far are...
21 Ross
20 Joey
19 Phoebe
16 Rachel
15 Monica
14 Chandler
..and bear in mind that C&M have been out of circulation for 3½ seasons.
>> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even
>> though all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits
>> Joey", it was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey
>> realised how his life was empty without someone to share it with, and
>> he chose Rachel.
> Didn't he see Rachel (sorry I'm just being fussy/silly).
Fate.
> Remember also he changed his mind to Phoebe afterwards!
No, after Rachel turned him down, he just said he wished he'd tried
it on Phoebe instead, but he never actually did anything about it.
>> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the
>> producers tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was
>> turned on by his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the
>> 'real' Joey was put back in a television career - while Rachel moved
>> into his apartment, where she suddenly found a new liberation thanks to
>> his easy going lifestyle.
> Wow, I never realised that! It certainly was a good tester!
Indeedy!
Foreshadowing may not always reflect what is about to happen, but it can
certainly be caused by what the writers & producers are thinking about.
>> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
>> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
>> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature.
> Do you think that Joey and Tag's night out was one of the reason's Rachel
> ended it?
Not really. Rachel wanted to have a boyfriend with a youngish outlook, but
she also wanted him to be mature enough to be a father to her children.
>> And these stories included 702 "TOW
>> Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
> Her intentions were never anything else though than to scare him off.
The point is that it worked. Think about it.
>> 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness
>> than she did about sailing;
> I think Rachel also learnt a lot about herself in that ep as well!
That's right.
>> 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against Chandler, and
>> whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award",
>> where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
> Saying it turns her on is going a bit far!
RACHEL: If you win you have to hug me! You hug me!
JOEY: Can I squeeze your ass?
RACHEL: On TV? Yeah!
>> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW
>> Rachel's Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW
>> the Stain" in which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of
>> moving to Ross's building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where
>> raging hormones made her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle
>> for a quick fling.
> Season 8 definitely saw a big raise in the temperature. Do you think the
> writers had it planned a long time before?
I reckon that they did have it planned for a long time, but that doesn't
necessarily mean that they were going to put that plan into action. My
suspicion is that the series was going to end this year with R&R getting
back together. But then the huge ratings started coming in, and the big
enemy on CBS was suddenly in trouble - so Mona arrived at Central Perk.
> Also, remember, there's been a lot of foreshadowing for J&P, I mean,
> they've kissed twice!
Three times at least. 7 years ago, 5½ years ago, and 4 years ago.
>> ---o0o---
>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
> Eeeeeeer, that is a toughie! Why avenue though? There is no Avenue A on
> manhattan island...
According to a friend, there is. She says they call it Alphabet City,
and others call it ABC City. Avenues A, B, C, and D are east of First
Avenue, which is east of East Village - Ross lives in West Village.
>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
> Must be un-organised Doctor Professor Geller!
He's worked at NYU for over two years, so he should know better. In any
case, an intelligent person would have had one of his classes moved.
>> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
>> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
>> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
>> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> That was a long time ago though...
Too true. The poor guy has been bled dry.
>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
> I doubt it...Carol and Susan also pay.
It's not just a private school, it's the Smithfield Day School,
one of the best schools in the city. Even with Carol & Susan,
the fees must be an enormous stretch for them.
>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
> Definitely, I wouldn't read too much into it.
So why couldn't he afford to take a cab?
>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
>> If he was unorganised, he would have to organise his work!
Heh. Whose theory of dominance do you think he was talking about?
>> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
>> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
>> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
> Great continuity too!
Yeppity!
>> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
>> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
>> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
>> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball
>> at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for
>> being too good.
> I though that was very bad continuity, I put it down to the disaster that
> was season 6.
Now I've had a chance to think about Monica's point of view, it works.
Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
>> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
>> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
> Not sure, when was the last time we saw that room?
I'd forgotten about 709 "TOW All The Candy", so I was wrong there.
>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
> Well Ross could have drawn a diagram, and shouted. Rachel could have, errm
> helped, Monica could have bossed everyone around. Phoebe could have used
> some alternative moving techniques, Joey could get another hernia, and
> Chandler could get trapped again!
LOL!!!
>> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
>> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
>> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
>> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
>> "You suck!"
> She certainly has changed.
The little fat girl is happy now.
>> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
>> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
> I'd say on the street. May I also second the calling the police pigs, as
> I've been witness to crowd clearing at football matches.
Errr... well, since my grandfather was in the force (he was a police vet)
you should know that I was merely expressing Phoebe's point of view.
>> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
>> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
> Don't make sense does it?
>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
> I wondered that, or was it a saturday?
No, it was a Monday. Monica said that Ben was coming over the next day,
which happened at the end of the episode. S8-13 begins the following
morning, and after the titles it's later that day, which is Wednesday.
>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
>> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
>> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
> Yep....I can't think of any more!!
Somebody on Angel's Friends assumed it was R-I-M and J-O-B. :(
>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
> or R-E-G for Regina?
Lol, that sounds like a boy's name. The same woman who told me about
Avenue A suggested that maybe Phoebe entered P-B-1, P-B-2 etc.
>> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably)
>> in an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
> Pretty bad :(
Yeah.
>> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
>> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
> I think you've pretty much got everything there!
It's nice to defeat all the opera.
>> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
>> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
>> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
>> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
> Definitely, I'm getting annoyed by the amount of J&P and C&M stories. We
> need some substance concerning Monica or Chandler and the lack of C&J
> interaction saddens me...
I quite agree. And we've been most deprived of Monica/Rachel stories.
>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>> Roomie was there?
> Very clever.
Aniston's timing was superb there - and she looked just great.
>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
>> or a barbershop quartet?
> Well a barbershop quartet is a little OTT, unless you're Ross of course!
It was borderline stalker...
>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>> front door?
> Hang on....<plays 812.avi>...searches......aha, err dunno!
Are you outputting the signal to a large widescreen TV?
>> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
>> of Joey & Rachel?
> Ohhhh very symbolic!
Indeedy.
>> From all six, who would you punch?
> Monica
Aww... why?
>> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
> He's not as annoying as he was...
When was he annoying, then?
>> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
>> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
> What type of people is Joey dating!!??
Mabel wasn't all that bright, was she?
>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
>> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
>> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
> Yes, I was impressed by that, well done writers!
Absolutely.
>> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
>> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
>> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
>> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
>> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
>> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
> Thanks, that's been playing on my mind for weeks... ;)
Three cheers for the IMDb.
>> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
>> the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
> Lol, that would be funny, I don't think Joey would be that good at
> Ms.Pacman...as he says he's not very fast, and for that you need quick
> reflexes.
And it's a girlie game anyway... ;)
>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
> No! Because it's not fun!
Hah! You'll learn... ;)
>> ---o0o---
>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
>> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about
>> four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then
>> Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so
>> Chandler replies that was what they went to the store for in the first
>> place.
> Why do you think they changed the teaser?
Probably just for time, there was nothing wrong with it.
>> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
>> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
>> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
> Lol
Oh well, it will probably be on the DVD. 801-808 is due out on March 18th.
>> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
>> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
>> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
> Lol, that is good consistency from when he got his laptop!
Indeedy.
>> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
>> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
>> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
>> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
>> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
> Lol, hope it's on the DVD!
It's almost guaranteed.
>> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
>> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
> Ahh...so maybe it wasn't as much a filler as intended?
So it seems. DS should really have given Ross a few token lines to say.
>> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
>> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
>> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must
>> have been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be
>> intact.
> Well the writers must have had J&R as their priorities for this ep.
Yes, and for once their priorities were our priorities! :)
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
James, I know that you were only replying to the post from Johnson Walker,
who deleted all the spoiler space, but will you please insert the required
spoiler space if in future you find it missing? Many thanks.
Tennant Stuart
SPOILER WARNING!
BEWARE THAT THE FOLLOWING POST FROM JAMES CHESHIRE IS WITHOUT SPOILER SPACE!
p r i y a
news:<na.5c97f24afe...@argonet.co.uk>...
> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
Absolutely amazing! Totally worth the wait, wasn't it?
I'm told that cabs are expensive in NYC.
> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
I didn't initially like the story but when he got to his new class, I
got into it. Had me laughing here and there. Not a bad filler. I don't
why many find this demeaning to Ross. What other option did he have?
Ofcourse, he didn't have to teach with the blades on. Maybe he should
have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
Monica excitement isn't something I enjoy but this was good continuity
from 802. The fat girl joke was good too but other than that, the
Bings were pretty
uninteresting to watch. Phoebe saved the plot, especially at the end.
>
> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
Hey, do you think that little Ben had more scenes or a line maybe?
>
> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
> off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is. Phoebe takes
> over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
> blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
> to cover the little boy's ears!
This was the funniest part of this story. Phoebe or rather LK's
performance was
hilarious.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel advises
> him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that she really
> misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in shining armour,
> Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a pregnant lady. That
> evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a knock at the door - and
> to her surprise it's Joey.
Yeah, Joey's the best. At the knock of the door, I got really excited
cos I knew it Joey - I'd seen the trailer. She was really cute and
Joey was just so wow.
>
> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
Hilarious! Look how comforable they are. Like you mentioned in another
post, she does do that special laugh with him. I've often thought that
laugh was so
adorable. uh haaa ha ...thats the one you're talking about right?
>
> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together. To
> keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on each
> other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is effective,
> hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst touching his
> hand) and he is quite affected by her.
It was so funny and exciting to watch them exchange their moves. I
thought that
something might happen. Yep, they had me too. "And again, so simple!"
>
> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
> that it was because he was with her.
YAY!
>
> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
> that she has just had on him...
You'd think that she would notice the flustered look on his face but
ofcourse she doesn't. I was just too happy to see that he has realised
that there's something there :)
>
> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
> Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
> But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
> is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women, he breaks
> off the date, and goes home early.
Man was his date a dumb woman. I thought that when Joey mentioned
'looking at someone differently, she would understand and advice him
to go back to his
lovely room mate. In the end, he did just that anwyay :)
>
> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB was
brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
As long as he did his job as wonderfully as he has, I didn't mind the
small filler. Earlier in 802, I enjoyed all his scenes...er..except
the tread stealing bit.
>
> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
Terribly exciting isn't it?
>
> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
Yep and we thought that the Pitts had amazing chemistry. Well, move
over and
take a back seat.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
> has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
> not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
I'm not one of them. But I was surprised by the number of R&R fans who
changed
their mind and liked the idea of J&R. Talk about a successful plot!
>
> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was only
> to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just a pretty
> face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend".
Please refresh my memory? What advice did she get?
>
> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in 313
> "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the fifth
> season that their relationship went up a notch.
When they kissed on New Years Eve?
>
> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even though
> all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits Joey", it
> was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey realised how
> his life was empty without someone to share it with, and he chose Rachel.
Oops I spoke too soon earlier. 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first"
:)
>
> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers
> tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by
> his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the 'real' Joey was put
> back in a television career - while Rachel moved into his apartment, where
> she suddenly found new a liberation thanks to his easy going lifestyle.
Many J&R fans love this episode. The chemistry was great then too :)
>
> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together, even
> while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most significant
> since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories included 702 "TOW
> Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
> 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness than
> she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
> Chandler, and whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's
> Award", where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
What about 711, where she asks him not to get married before her?
Foreshadowing?
>
> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW Rachel's
> Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW the Stain" in
> which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of moving to Ross's
> building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where raging hormones made
> her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle for a quick fling.
With 805, the show started heading down a new and exciting path. But
what was
in 807? I knew it was big but I can't remember what? <Priya goes off
to check
807 transcript; finds a steamy fanfic instead; halfway thru realises
that this post isn't finished; comes back>crap, I still don't know
what was in 807. <goes off again> OMG I can't believe I forgot *that*.
<smacks self on head> :(
>
> ---o0o---
>
> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
I dunno. I can check though. Nishad used a website to lookup routes
when he
was in NY. <checks>uh oh. Too confusing!
>
> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
He was probably too busy bragging about his new class in the Geller
Yeller to
find out beforehand where the class was.
>
> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
We're at 812. Between 205 and 812, Ross has gone from caring and
notcaring
about many other things than just money :)
>
> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
The mother-to-be is financially very stable and even otherwise, a
certain soap star would be more than willing to help :)
>
> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
I wondered just how many times they had to shoot this scene.
>
>
> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
Wasn't it sweet of Phoebe to remember and get him that. Maybe she felt
sorry for him after the 802 disaster.
>
> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
> was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
> that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be that it's the
> S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
> apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
I don't think we can call it a continuity error. There have been many
good
explanations from others on this scene. here's mine.
Monica was probably more into the idea of playing hostess than playing
Ms.Chandler in 603. :)
I mean, she's got a spare room, she'd want try out something that she
really
loves to do.
>
> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
Maybe Monica got tired of Hotel Monica when she found that her friends
weren't
too appreciate of her *extreme* hospitality. As for trashing the place
with paper towel bombs...it was too icky for Phoebe, how can you even
imagin Monica doing that?
>
> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
just for that day.
>
> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she was
> not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing Joey &
> Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she yells out
> "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare "You suck!"
I found Chandler's "you suck" funny. He didn't get to say many stuff
that was
funny.
>
> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
Phoebe knows all the tricks ;)
>
> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
Judging from 806, Chandler would agree that Mon was strong enough to
carry
Phoebe but Joey would say, "I'd have to give the edge to Phoebe" :)
>
> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
We should only wonder when he is actually shown at work LOL Perhaps
Doug
gave him some time off to get over his divorce! :)
>
> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
Sounds about right :)
>
> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
PPB, RPG, PHE
>
> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably) in
> an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
The more we found out, the more icky its getting. Poor guy.
>
> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
I only got 'son of a bitch' and 'mother fucker'.
>
>
> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
Exactly. Noone's expecting any big stories for the Bings but Phoebe?
Surely they don't expect LK to sign for another season if they keep
giving her such miniscule parts.
>
> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the doorpost,
> so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
I thought it was cute. I was smiling ear to ear. Rachel was cute and
Joey was just so wow.
>
> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers, or
> a barbershop quartet?
I don't think that you are being very fair to Ross here. He's given a
lot of
meaningful/romantic gifts. Are you forgetting the brooch he got her in
124.
>
> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> front door?
A question only the prop team can answer :)
>
> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
> of Joey & Rachel?
I just that it was very nice and it had a romantic appeal to it.
>
> From all six, who would you punch?
Monica! when she gets too loud for my sensitive ears :P
>
> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
I KNOWWW! and Joey agrees!!. I wasn't too happy on hearing that. Poor
Chandler! If Phoebe had said it, then it would not be so odd.
>
> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
Maybe Joey's date went into the mens room to look at some guy 'from
behind'. Ew!
>
> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ Boyz
3000 (did I get that right?)
>
> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
Have you seen this movie? I haven't. So I looked it up on imdb.
Anything I hear
about on the show, I have to check it out. I keep telling myself that
its not very obsessive. They are many others on the ng that would do
the same but then
again its after I subscribed to ATF, that I'm into all the tiny
details of the show :)
>
> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
> the video to Chandler afterwards?
What? Am I forgetting something from this episode as well???
> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
>
> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
Absolutely. Just look at the ratings 813 got.
>
> ---o0o---
>
> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about four
> bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then Monica
> asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so Chandler
> replies that was what they went to the store for in the first place.
I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812. Had I known, I would have
read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
Anway, if they had kept the above scene, we might have lost precious
minutes
from the main story. Frankly, I don't think I would complain if all
they showed was the "Joey/Rachel" story. :)
>
> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get Phoebe
> off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair to push
> him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
It sound funny. Maybe these scenes will make the DVD, else our TWWWS
list :)
>
> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
Computer talk turns Monica on? Maybe Chandler's been showing her porn
on his
computer. :)
>
> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
oooh thats sounds really funny. They could have kept this.
>
> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
yeah, the blades were getting annoying.
>
> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must have
> been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be intact.
Well, they kept the good parts then :)
I noticed that you review is much longer than your usual style of
three paras per story. I understandly completely, it would be too
difficult or unfair to sum up 'The Story' in just three paras :)
Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
Priya
Tennant Stuart
<dbue...@mn.rr.com> wrote:
> I've seen many requests from the UK for spoilers of the up-coming
> series.I consider Tenant's cross posts to the UK a service, but with
> consideration for those who wish to remain in unbiased anticipation.
Yep. The reviews are there for fans who manage to see the episodes early,
and the spoiler space is there to protect the fans who're forced to wait.
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.5c97f24afe...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
> Absolutely amazing! Totally worth the wait, wasn't it?
It sure is, with all the fuzzy warm glow of justified faith. :)
Well, I can see why he didn't borrow the Porsche (nowhere to park it),
but what about a certain svelte blonde who runs her own cab?
>> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
>> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
>> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
>> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
> I didn't initially like the story but when he got to his new class, I
> got into it. Had me laughing here and there. Not a bad filler. I don't
> why many find this demeaning to Ross. What other option did he have?
> Of course, he didn't have to teach with the blades on. Maybe he should
> have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
Lol, something about doing that makes him seem like an Indian giver (BTW,
that's as in North American Indian). The weird thing for me is that I did
not like Ross the character teaching with his blades still on, but I just
had to laugh at David the entertainer going boing on his stick.
>> ---o0o---
>> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
>> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
>> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
>> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
> Monica excitement isn't something I enjoy but this was good continuity
> from 802.
Oh yes, good point. We were wondering which was Phoebe's gift.
> The fat girl joke was good too but other than that, the Bings were
> pretty uninteresting to watch. Phoebe saved the plot, especially at
> the end.
I agree, but only by "Friends" standards. In another sitcom, for example
recent seasons of "Frasier", something like that would be a highlight.
>> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
>> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
>> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
>> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
> Hey, do you think that little Ben had more scenes or a line maybe?
He might have had brief unmemorable line, but as you'll see further down
this review, I have a rare filming report, and so I can say that there'll
be no new Ben scenes turning up on the DVD.
>> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his
>> filth off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is.
>> Phoebe takes over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she
>> turns the air blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives,
>> and his daddy has to cover the little boy's ears!
> This was the funniest part of this story. Phoebe or rather LK's
> performance was hilarious.
Yep. If you've seen the blooper show, you'll know what LK is like.
>> ---o0o---
>> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel
>> advises him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that
>> she really misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in
>> shining armour, Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a
>> pregnant lady. That evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a
>> knock at the door - and to her surprise it's Joey.
> Yeah, Joey's the best. At the knock of the door, I got really excited
> cos I knew it Joey - I'd seen the trailer.
Ah - but I was even more excited because I had not seen the trailer.
> She was really cute and Joey was just so wow.
Absolutely. Pure magic.
>> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
>> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
>> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
>> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
>> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
> Hilarious! Look how comfortable they are. Like you mentioned in another
> post, she does do that special laugh with him. I've often thought that
> laugh was so adorable. uh haaa ha ...thats the one you're talking about
> right?
Absolutely, that's her "I can relax and enjoy your company because I know
that you will never hurt me" laugh. If you listen carefully, but in other
episodes not this, you can hear the special foot stamp she does. Look at
what kind of situations prompt Rachel to do that.
>> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together.
>> To keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on
>> each other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is
>> effective, hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst
>> touching his hand) and he is quite affected by her.
> It was so funny and exciting to watch them exchange their moves. I
> thought that something might happen. Yep, they had me too. "And again,
> so simple!"
Absolutely. This was a very clever scene. The writers had to do something
about audience prejudice that Joey is nothing but a player, by showing
that she has moves too, and she's better at it than he is. Then on top
of that, it started with him having to drop his act, because with her
sitting next to him he could only be sincere.
>> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
>> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
>> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
>> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
>> that it was because he was with her.
> YAY!
I knowwwwwww!!!!!
>> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
>> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
>> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
>> that she has just had on him...
> You'd think that she would notice the flustered look on his face but
> of course she doesn't.
You might, but to Rachel she was merely demonstrating, she wasn't trying
to seduce him, so she wasn't looking out for a response. And of course
if she had seen his face, that would shortcut about 6 episodes of plot.
> I was just too happy to see that he has realised that there's something
> there :)
Yep, and it established that he was being genuine all through.
>> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same
>> restaurant, Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd
>> recommended to her. But although his companion is quite attractive, all
>> Joey can think about is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all
>> other women, he breaks off the date, and goes home early.
> Man was his date a dumb woman.
I know!
I just hope that fans who think Joey is dumb could see the difference.
> I thought that when Joey mentioned 'looking at someone differently, she
> would understand
Instead of going to the wrong rest room? ;)
> and advice him to go back to his lovely room mate. In the end, he did
> just that anyway :)
Yep. Compare this...
RACHEL: Why are you home so early? What happened to your date?
JOEY: Oh, it didn't work out.
..with this...
ROSS: Hello, how was the date?
RACHEL: Well I'm alone and I just bought fifteen dollars worth
of candy bars, what do you think?
..for both the 812 Joey and the 805 Rachel were the dumpers, not the
dumpees, and yet it was Rachel not Joey who needed comfort food; and
the 812 Rachel needed him, while the 805 Ross found Mona again.
>> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
>> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
>> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
>> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
>> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
>> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB was
> brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
>> ---o0o---
>> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
>> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
>> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
> As long as he did his job as wonderfully as he has, I didn't mind the
> small filler. Earlier in 802, I enjoyed all his scenes...er..except
> the tread stealing bit.
Oh yes - he was much better with his pretend speech.
>> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
>> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
>> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
>> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
> Terribly exciting isn't it?
I knowww!!! How is she gonna react when she finds out??????
>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
>> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
>> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
> Yep and we thought that the Pitts had amazing chemistry. Well, move over
> and take a back seat.
Haha - you're so right, sweetie! :)
>> ---o0o---
>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the
>> fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out
>> to them.
> I'm not one of them.
Indeedy.
> But I was surprised by the number of R&R fans who changed their mind and
> liked the idea of J&R. Talk about a successful plot!
Yes, that surprised me too. A successful plot indeed!
>> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was
>> only to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just
>> a pretty face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New
>> Girlfriend".
> Please refresh my memory? What advice did she get?
He didn't say anything particularly mind-blowing, a lot of his help was
simply being a good listener - but that is a rare quality in men, and yet
people will keep accusing Joey of being dumb, shallow, and insensitive.
JOEY: Oh, how're you doing?
RACHEL: I'm okay...
JOEY: Ooh, that bad, huh?
RACHEL: What?
JOEY: Look Rach, I can sense when women are depressed & vulnerable,
it's one of my gifts. Sit. (He points to the sofa. She obeys.)
RACHEL: Uhh... Ugh Joey, when I saw him get off that plane with her,
I really thought I'd just hit rock bottom. But today, it's
like there's rock bottom, fifty feet of crap, then me.
JOEY: (Insistently) You gotta tell Ross how you feel.
RACHEL: Oh, come on, how can I just tell him? What about Julie?
JOEY: What about her? They've only been going out for two weeks. Ross
has been in love with you (he jabs at her) for like, ten years.
RACHEL: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
JOEY: Look, look - Rach, Rach, I've been with my share of women. In
fact, I've been with a lot of people's share of women (managing
to make his friend smile at last). But, errr... the point is,
I've never felt about anyone the way Ross felt about you.
RACHEL: (Very quietly) Really? (Joey nods, reassuringly.)
>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
>> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
> When they kissed on New Years Eve?
Yep. In 70 seconds, he manipulated all of his friends so that he got to
kiss Rachel at midnight (four years earlier he was stuck with Chandler).
>> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even
>> though all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits
>> Joey", it was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey
>> realised how his life was empty without someone to share it with, and
>> he chose Rachel.
> Oops I spoke too soon earlier.
Grin.
> 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
Exactly.
>> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the
>> producers tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was
>> turned on by his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the
>> 'real' Joey was put back in a television career - while Rachel moved
>> into his apartment, where she suddenly found new a liberation thanks to
>> his easy going lifestyle.
> Many J&R fans love this episode. The chemistry was great then too :)
Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
>> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
>> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
>> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories
>> included 702 "TOW Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on
>> too strong for him; 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her
>> more about happiness than she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Die"
>> where they ganged up against Chandler, and whispered secrets in each
>> other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award", where we saw how much his show
>> business career turns her on.
> What about 711, where she asks him not to get married before her?
> Foreshadowing?
Oh for sure, there were so many examples, I had to leave some out. That
outburst was prompted by Joey talking about having kids, and Rachel was
so delighted to hear this that she hugged him to her ample bosom. Look
at her moaning & writhing on his lap in 713 "TOW Rosita Dies", or see
how in 708 "TOW Chandler Doesn't Like Dogs" Rachel understands his moo
point because they'd lived together for so long, and then 710 "TOW the
Holiday Armadillo" in which she told Phoebe of all people how adorable
Joey was. Also, don't forget Phoebe's prediction (among others) in 602
"TOW Ross Hugs Rachel" that he'd marry Rachel, and have beautiful kids.
>> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW
>> Rachel's Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW
>> the Stain" in which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of
>> moving to Ross's building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where
>> raging hormones made her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle
>> for a quick fling.
> With 805, the show started heading down a new and exciting path. But
> what was in 807? I knew it was big but I can't remember what? <Priya
> goes off to check 807 transcript; finds a steamy fanfic instead; halfway
> thru realises that this post isn't finished; comes back> crap, I still
> don't know what was in 807. <goes off again> OMG I can't believe I
> forgot *that*. <smacks self on head> :(
Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug that
Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't there.
>> ---o0o---
>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
> I dunno. I can check though. Nishad used a website to lookup routes when
> he was in NY. <checks>uh oh. Too confusing!
Which website does he use?
>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
> He was probably too busy bragging about his new class in the Geller
> Yeller to find out beforehand where the class was.
Hah, one wonders how large the circulation of the Yeller is.
What would the other family newsletters be called?
The Tribbiani Tribune? The Buffay Buffet? The Green Zine?
The Bing Times? (for some things don't change.)
>> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
>> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
>> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
>> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> We're at 812. Between 205 and 812, Ross has gone from caring and
> not caring about many other things than just money :)
Yah.
>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
> The mother-to-be is financially very stable and even otherwise, a
> certain soap star would be more than willing to help :)
Oh I know, that's the point - Ross is out of the equation.
>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
> I wondered just how many times they had to shoot this scene.
There was quite a lot of classroom stuff that was cut out.
>> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
>> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
>> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
> Wasn't it sweet of Phoebe to remember and get him that. Maybe she felt
> sorry for him after the 802 disaster.
Phoebe is so much nicer than she pretends to be.
>> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
>> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
>> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
>> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball
>> at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for
>> being too good.
> I don't think we can call it a continuity error. There have been many
> good explanations from others on this scene. here's mine.
> Monica was probably more into the idea of playing hostess than playing
> Ms.Chandler in 603. :) I mean, she's got a spare room, she'd want try
> out something that she really loves to do.
That's a good point, sweetie. Her priorities are different.
>> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
>> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
> Maybe Monica got tired of Hotel Monica when she found that her friends
> weren't too appreciate of her *extreme* hospitality. As for trashing the
> place with paper towel bombs...it was too icky for Phoebe, how can you
> even imagin Monica doing that?
Well, she'd have all the fun of cleaning it up... ;)
But seriously (since Monica doesn't like to clean, the fat girl makes
her do it) my best guess is that Phoebe used the bowl as a threat.
>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
> Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
> just for that day.
Monica seems to like things clean, she's no minimalist. Look at her place.
>> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
>> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
>> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
>> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
>> "You suck!"
> I found Chandler's "you suck" funny. He didn't get to say many stuff
> that was funny.
Yeah, he was even doing the "pull my finger" thing again.
>> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
>> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
> Phoebe knows all the tricks ;)
Lol, but not all the chords!
>> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
>> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
> Judging from 806, Chandler would agree that Mon was strong enough to
> carry Phoebe but Joey would say, "I'd have to give the edge to Phoebe" :)
Okay, but here we saw that Monica is not as strong as she claims.
>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
> We should only wonder when he is actually shown at work LOL Perhaps
> Doug gave him some time off to get over his divorce! :)
Ooohh!!! What a clever point! Yes!!
>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
>> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
>> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
> Sounds about right :)
Yep!
>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
> PPB, RPG, PHE
Ah. Please explain.
>> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably)
>> in an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
> The more we found out, the more icky its getting. Poor guy.
I knowww...
>> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
>> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
> I only got 'son of a bitch' and 'mother fucker'.
Yeah, I think I was wrong about "mother of fuck".
>> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
>> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
>> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
>> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
> Exactly. Noone's expecting any big stories for the Bings but Phoebe?
> Surely they don't expect LK to sign for another season if they keep
> giving her such miniscule parts.
I don't see why they can't give her some meaty Ursula stories.
>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>> Roomie was there?
> I thought it was cute. I was smiling ear to ear. Rachel was cute and
> Joey was just so wow.
Absolutely. Sigh... :)
We all thought that the baby story would make JA the star of the show,
and yes, she has been very very good - but look out, here comes MLB...
>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
>> or a barbershop quartet?
> I don't think that you are being very fair to Ross here. He's given a
> lot of meaningful/romantic gifts. Are you forgetting the brooch he got
> her in 124.
I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>> front door?
> A question only the prop team can answer :)
Well, my theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
>> Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle signify the ying & yang
>> of Joey & Rachel?
> I just that it was very nice and it had a romantic appeal to it.
Yep.
>> From all six, who would you punch?
> Monica! when she gets too loud for my sensitive ears :P
Awww... some of my favourite Monica bits are when she's loud, such
as her anguished scream from the shower in 320 "TOW the Dollhouse".
>> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
> I KNOWWW! and Joey agrees!!. I wasn't too happy on hearing that. Poor
> Chandler! If Phoebe had said it, then it would not be so odd.
Chandler must be pissing them off in some way...
>> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
>> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
> Maybe Joey's date went into the mens room to look at some guy 'from
> behind'. Ew!
Lol
>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
>> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
>> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
> It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ Boyz
> 3000 (did I get that right?)
That's a good point, sweetie. The chair is a La-Z-Boy E-cliner 3000.
>> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
>> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
>> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
>> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
>> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
>> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
> Have you seen this movie? I haven't.
Nope.
> So I looked it up on imdb.
Me too. It's most convenient to have your own copy.
> Anything I hear about on the show, I have to check it out. I keep
> telling myself that its not very obsessive. They are many others on the
> ng that would do the same but then again its after I subscribed to ATF,
> that I'm into all the tiny details of the show :)
Exactly. You're amongst friends now, so don't worry sweetie. :)
>> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
>> the video to Chandler afterwards?
> What? Am I forgetting something from this episode as well???
Chandler would like an anti-dog movie.
Have you seen "Cats & Dogs"? It's so anti-cat that it's horroble, and
even the dogs don't do all that well either. However, the hero dog is a
nice little animal, just the sort of dog I complained Clunkers was not.
>> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
> Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
He might need something to take his mind off his troubles.
>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
> Absolutely. Just look at the ratings 813 got.
Yes, they were huge, weren't they! :)
>> ---o0o---
>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
>> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about
>> four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then
>> Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so
>> Chandler replies that was what they went to the store for in the first
>> place.
> I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812.
That's because there wasn't one generally available. What you are
getting here from me is virtually exclusive information, known to
only a few people before I published it.
> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
> Anway, if they had kept the above scene, we might have lost precious
> minutes from the main story. Frankly, I don't think I would complain if
> all they showed was the "Joey/Rachel" story. :)
Yep.
All the time they were off the screen, I was waiting for them to return.
>> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
>> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
>> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
> It sound funny. Maybe these scenes will make the DVD, else our TWWWS
> list :)
I'm informed that all these scenes should make the DVD, just hope that
there isn't another cock-up, like some of the S7 'extended' episodes.
>> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
>> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
>> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
> Computer talk turns Monica on? Maybe Chandler's been showing her porn
> on his computer. :)
Errr, sweetie - I think we need to hear Monica's tone of voice...
>> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
>> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
>> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
>> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
>> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
> oooh thats sounds really funny. They could have kept this.
Yep, and cut back on the Ross story. Don't forget that the decision of
what went in & what didn't was up to Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.
>> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
>> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
> yeah, the blades were getting annoying.
I actually like that little bit as he went through the door - but in of
itself, not as apart of the story. OTOH, my friends roared with laughter
at all of Ross's scenes, and the Pacman stuff, so there you go.
>> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
>> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
>> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must
>> have been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be
>> intact.
> Well, they kept the good parts then :)
Yess!
> I noticed that you review is much longer than your usual style of
> three paras per story. I understandly completely, it would be too
> difficult or unfair to sum up 'The Story' in just three paras :)
Well spotted. You'll notice that the better a story is, the more
details it has that I want to talk about. However, you'll see a
more complex structure in my review of 813, which is due to the
way the narratives intersect in way I hoped to preserve.
> Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
Okay! Is that the steamy fanfic?
Tennant
Marita Bakken
>>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
>
>> You bet! The main story in this episode was just so incredibly good, I
>> couldn't believe it.. I knew it would be good from the title of the
>> episode, but I don't think anybody expected it would be *this* good.
>
>Det er fint at du er enig med meg!!! :)
RPGOL! Svært bra, Tennant.
British/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 812...
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>>> 812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel"
>> *Yawn* Please give this guy a crossword puzzle like Rachel had in 406
>> TOW The Dirty Girl or just a magazine like Phoebe in 520 TOW The Ride
>> Along. This was just dull.
>
>Exactly. Just think what they could have done with the time saved.
Don't even mention it. It's too bad David didn't ask them to skip this
story completely and let him focus on his job as a director instead.
Not that he didn't do a good job here, but as you say, more
screen-time for Joey and Rachel would have been much better.
>> And "The Geller Yeller"? What's up with that?
>
>You can see Rachel wincing at that.
Yep. I wonder what kind of font he used (bold letters, perhaps?) when
he announced that he's about to become a father again?
>> If the writers plan on writing him out of the series and giving him a
>> permanent job as a director, they are doing an excellent job. How can
>> the audience care about and enjoy a character who worries about roller
>> blades when he should be doing other things?
>
>I agree - although I did like the way David Schwimmer (not Ross) rolled
>across the room to use the stick on the doorway, with his boyish grin.
It seemed too far-fetched to me. I don't think there are many
professors out there who would let themselves look stupid in front of
the entire class like he did, when he might as well have taken off the
roller blades and put on some slippers instead.
>> I've already expressed my disgust over Ross in this episode and 811
>> about a thousand times (or at least it feels like it), so I'll suffice
>> it to say that Ross deserves better, and this story should have been
>> put in the trash can right after some of the writers came up with the
>> idea.
>
>DS has to like this sort of stuff, he was the director.
Yeah, I've come to that conclusion as well.
>> Also, I got some really strong 506 TOW The Yeti vibes as Chandler
>> tried to move the video game. Apparently, he hasn't joined a gym and
>> built up his upper body since he tried to move Ross's fossil samples.
>
>Lol yes, well spotted!
Yep, and this time around he couldn't pick up something light and
carry that instead.
>> And another thing. Chandler's line about Phoebe not having to get them
>> anything was just like his line in 703 TOW Phoebe's Cookies about
>> their engagement:
>
>> "That's okay Pheebs, we're not having a party or anything, so you
>> don't have to get us.."
>
>> But I think he should expect something. After all, it was their
>> wedding.
>
>Quite so. And again it was Monica who insisted.
Absolutely. She didn't want to deprive Phoebe of that joy.
>And your quote shows up a small inconsistency (but not a continuity
>error) in that there *was* an engagement party according to 811.
I bet Monica managed to persuade him in the end.
>> Did you notice that it said "United We Stand" on Chandler's red
>> sweater? Another nice tribute to the victims of 9/11 on the show.
>
>No, I missed that one. Does it refer to anything in particular?
Oh, I'm sorry about that. I completely forgot that people in Europe
probably haven't heard that slogan.
It showed up on T-shirts, bumper stickers, roadsigns, coffeecups,
buttons, walls, sweaters, necklaces (even the signs at McDonalds took
down their advertisements for BigMacs, and wrote this slogan on their
signs instead)... well, practically *everything* after 9/11. I don't
know how many signs that had "United We Stand" written all over it in
my neighbourhood last fall. It's a sign that Americans won't be beaten
by the terrorists, they're united. :)
>> Also, I think Chandler's "The Claw" was too similar to Jim Carrey in
>> the movie "Liar! Liar!". It seemed to me like they had stolen that
>> idea from the movie.
>
>Had he been playing a video game, then?
No, he was doing it to tickle his young son.
>> Chandler wins! He beat them all! Can you believe it? Granted, he
>> ruined his fingers with it, but still, I hadn't expected that he would
>> beat Monica who's so much better than him in foosball. And it was so
>> great that he beat Phoebe at the game when she thought he "sucked" at
>> it. :)
>
>Yes, another one to chalk up! And Monica was last, losing yet again.
Yes, and she didn't freak out because of it.
>> This last scene was by far the best part of this storyline. Knowing
>> how Lisa Kudrow sometimes does swear at the tapings (that was revealed
>> in the bloopers show), it was funny to see her go nuts and curse like
>> crazy for a couple of seconds.
>
>Indeedy. I'm sure that scene was inspired by reality.
Absolutely. I thought about the outtake form 519 right away when I saw
this scene.
>> Their first scene in Central Perk was crucial to this story. They were
>> so in sync when Ross came in, and when they started talking about
>> dating it, was further proof of how close these two are right now.
>
>Yep. Notice how Joey knew exactly which buttons to press.
Yes, and it was even funnier when they started discussing Citizen Kane
later on.
BTW, Rachel was reading a magazine about Alex Kingston, so this was a
shameless promotion for ER.. ;)
>> I don't think there were many who weren't touched when he gave her the
>> bouquet of lilies. It was so cute! Of course, this clip was shown over
>> and over again in the promos for 812, making people even more excited
>> about the episode. (The also showed the last couple of seconds of the
>> episode (the "scared/terrified" part), but somehow I thought the
>> flower scene was far more meaningful than those words..
>
>Indeedy, but seeing the promo defused some of the power of that scene,
>for when I heard the knock at the door, I just didn't know who would be
>standing there, and I guessed it would be Ross getting in the way.
We didn't see him knocking on her door or Rachel in the bathroom in
the promo, we just saw him giving her the flowers.
>However, as she walked to the door, I was fervently wishing "let it
>be Joey, let it be Joey, let it be Joey" because I instantly realised
>how romantic that would be - hence the subtitle to this review.
Yeah, I knew it would be him.. Damn promos. :)
>> Wasn't it sweet of him to let her order whatever she wanted, even
>> though she wanted lobster *and* filet mignon?
>
>It sure was, and note that he carefully avoided any poultry.
Lol! Yes, and he didn't play with a chicken either.
>Plus if you think about it, we have very rarely seen Joey out on a
>date, it's far more likely to be Ross. The reason is simple, success
>is *usually* quite boring to watch, compared with ineptitude.
I totally agree. And that's what I've been trying to say ever since
Joey was brought into this plot. Happy, successful people are boring
to watch. Now that Joey has been put on the Ross and Rachel
"vippehuske," we don't know what's going to happen because of all the
tension that is building up.
>> This made me start thinking, though. If Ross can't afford taking a cab
>> to the Freeman building, and Joey can afford going to fancy restaurants
>> and ordering luxurious meals, that must mean that Joey has more money
>> now than he did in 717 TOW The Cheap Wedding Dress.
>
>Joey must have received a big pay rise when he took over the rôle of
>Jessica, and though that happened in 713, maybe he had debts to pay.
To Chandler? For numerous pizzas and months of rent? That would
explain how Chandler could afford to buy dinner for 128 people in
September..
>>> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
>>> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
>>> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
>>> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
>>> that it was because he was with her.
>
>> What can you say about this scene? How good was their chemistry? Wow!
>
>They zinged. They zipped. They zizzled.
Yep.
>Some fans still cite Ross & Rachel's break-up in 316 as being better,
>but it's far easier to capture the audience's emotions with tragedy,
>especially on top of 2½ years worth of investment in the characters.
I agree. This scene was incredible, and they were both so comfortable
around each other and friendly up until that fateful moment when she
looked into his eyes..
>> You could literally see him falling for her in that scene. LeBlanc was
>> fabulous, and that nervous sound he made afterwards told us how
>> shocked he was. Joey didn't plan to fall in love with Rachel. Being
>> the group's best Friend, he has always been there for them, and now
>> that he has romantic feelings for one of them, one part of him is
>> shocked while the other one is confused.
>
>Exactly. You put that very well, sweetie. :)
Tusen takk.
>> This other date was so revealing for Joey and the state he is right
>> now. His date was pretty, but dumb ("You mean like from behind?"),
>
>Yes, the difference between her & Joey was so obvious.
And if this scene doesn't count in the "Joey isn't stupid" category, I
don't know what does.
>> and he merely shrugged his shoulders and wasn't attracted to her at
>> all. Hello? This is a clear sign that his crush on Rachel isn't just
>> something that's going to go away like that. He's fallen in love for
>> real this time around, even though he didn't plan it.
>
>Yep. Often the English expression to *fall* in love seems weird if you
>think about it (what is Norwegian like?) but here the metaphor shows its
>worth. The poor guy. This could end really badly for him, especially if
>this is the last season, and the writers are planning for six dooms...
We say "forelske seg." To love is "elske," so we just add "for." We
do say that a person falls for somebody, though, but that's a bit
different.
>>> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
>>> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
>>> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
>>> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
>>> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
>>> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
>
>> I don't think that was it. I think he was terrified at the prospect of
>> what is going to happen to all of them now that he has realised that
>> he has feelings for her. He is scared of what his relationship with
>> her is going to be like, and he's afraid that she'll find out about
>> his feelings and freak out because of it. He's also afraid of the
>> others finding out about it, and he's scared that he might get hurt in
>> the near future.
>
>Yeah, Johnson Walker made much the same comment, and now that you have
>too, I see that I didn't put that very well. I was relying too much on
>the ellipsis to convey the Kippish chain of events that will surely
>follow if this goes badly. Fortunately for Monica, she was drunk.
Yes, she didn't worry about the consequences, so she just went for it.
Have we ever seen Joey really wasted (apart from his "I love you" to
Ross in 124, even though I wouldn't call that being drunk)?
>> But this last scene was so heartbreaking and wonderful, that the last,
>> tiny little part of me who wished for a RnR reunion is gone for good.
>
>Awww... that's sad in a way. For me it was the barbershop quartet, even
>though I didn't realise its significance until he set her desk on fire.
Yes, even though people are dying to see the two of them together
again, I don't think it's possible anymore. I mean, of course they
might end up together, but for me the magic is gone, and it will never
be as great as that kiss in 207 where almost all the Friends-fans
breathed out a "finally!" In fact, I think I'm going to use a quote
from 110 TOW The Monkey:
David: "Right. But, see, the longer I waited, the more phenomenal the
kiss had to be, and now we've reached a place where it's just gotta be
one of those things where I just like... sweep everything off the
table and throw you down on it."
My point is that a reunion between the two at this point must be
something totally amazing in order to meet the fans' expectations.
Now, if we have only 11 episodes left, I just don't see how they are
going to fulfil those hopes and dreams in a fantastic way. I fear that
if they decide on having a quick and simple reconciliation, we'll be
left feeling a bit cheated and wondering if it really was worth it.
>> I cannot see the two of them getting together now. It's too late. Both
>> of them have moved on, and it's time they find happiness in other
>> people instead. I don't know if Joey will be the one for Rachel, but
>> this episode certainly brought him a lot closer.
>
>Welcome to the club, sweetheart. :)
The club is growing everyday... A friend of mine just told me that she
thought it was the best idea on the show since Chandler and Monica,
and I agree with her.
>> Ross's story was awful, plain and simple. I didn't laugh once, and
>> that last scene was painful to watch. When you have to use roller
>> blades to try to make the audience laugh, you're much better off
>> putting the character on the couch in Central Perk with just a few
>> lines.
>
>What did you think of Monica on wheels, in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck"?
Well, I think that was a bit different. That wasn't a big part of the
plot (although I guess this wasn't either), but both she and Rachel,
who were the only ones really affected by the roller skates back then,
had big, important stories to work on, so the roller skates weren't
that important.
>> I think the number of people who went from being RnR fans to JnR fans
>> after this episode says it all.
>
>I'm just trying to think who it was on ATF convinced me that JnR would
>make a great couple, since originally I envisaged the pair going their
>separate ways, in pursuit of their careers.
In the beginning I thought there was nothing there but friendship, but
now I don't know how it's going to end. Their future is still up in
the air.
>> Absolutely, he did a great job *behind* the camera. My suggestion is
>> that the writers keep him there until they find some good material for
>> Ross.
>
>Yeppity. They need new contractual arrangements where there are no filler
>stories, (well, no bad ones), using the time saved for the other plots.
ITA.
>> I totally agree. They were amazing together (as always), and I
>> sincerely hope that their storyline will continue for a long, long
>> time.
>
>Yay! If it continues for at least 2½ years, everyone associated with
>the show will make a lot more money for as long as reruns are shown.
As if they're not earning enough money already! j/k.
>>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are
>>> the fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was
>>> pointed out to them.
>
>> I wasn't! But you already know that. :)
>
>"But sitting squashed up together just don't mean nothing!"
Lol. I'm so glad we aren't forgetting these hints.
>> I was cheering and almost jumping up and down.
>
>Fantastic! :)
Smil.
>> I watched it together with a friend of mine (a so-called casual viewer
>> who was into RnR pre-812), but by the end of this episode she was
>> grinning and exclaimed: "Oh, my god! They are so great together!"
>
>Exactly! And for once, Rachel didn't drop any food on the floor...
Aww, he's such a gentleman that he would have eaten it for her. ;)
>> "Duh! Joey is and always has been an idiot!! He didn't know anything
>> back then!!" ;)
>> j/k
>
>Absolutely - and even if he did, the only thing he knows about is
>relationships, just like any typical man...
Yep, and the only education comes from cereal boxes and the V-volume.
>>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
>>> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>
>> That was such a funny story!
>
>Oh yes! I love the way that Ross was allowed an intelligence he rarely
>exhibits these days, to appreciate the subtlety with which Joey avoided
>spoiling the book for Rachel, even though it was lost on Chandler.
It was rather lost on me as well until you explained it since I have
only seen the movie. :)
>> Yep, yep. These two have had foreshadowing for a long time. It's like
>> Chandler and Monica all over again, but then again, it's very
>> different and new.
>
>Absolutely. Even if all else is a figment of our imaginations, Rachel's
>advice in 516 "TOW the Cop" has been out there for almost three years.
>
> JOEY: Won't-won't that take longer?
>
> RACHEL: Yeah. Yeah, but once you find it, ohh it's so worth the wait.
And so far this relationship has been very worth the wait, even though
it hasn't turned into a romantic relationship yet.
>> This was where it really began. Their wet-paper towel fight in 618
>> told us that they were about to become the new successful duo on the
>> show.
>
>That's right. It was the second turning point in her life, the first
>being the moment that she cut up all her father's credit cards.
I guess we should have realised that the fact that there was no Monica
to hug her this time around was rather important to Rachel's future..
>> Absolutely. Then again, we've already discussed these moments, and I
>> think it's fair to say that Rachel and Joey were the funniest
>> characters in season 7.
>
>Yes, I think it is fair to say that. But according to my reviews, these
>are the characters whom I singled out for most praise, if any...
>
> 703 Rachel & Joey
> 705 Ross & Phoebe
> 706 Phoebe & Rachel & Ross
> 707 Janice
> 709 Ross & Phoebe
> 710 Ross
> 711 Chandler & Rachel
> 712 Joey & Ross
> 713 Phoebe
> 714 Monica
> 715 Joey
> 716 Joey
> 717 Monica
> 718 Joey & Rachel
> 719 Joey & Monica
> 722 Chandler & Monica
>
>...though you'll differ on some of those. Nevertheless, that totals...
Yes, I thought they were pretty good in 707 and 713.
> 6 Joey
> 5 Ross
> 4 Monica & Phoebe & Rachel
> 2 Chandler
> 1 Janice
Yes.
>> And even though the scene in 811 was short, it still was the best
>> scene in the entire episode.
>
>That's right - Joey's presence was felt throughout the story even
>though he wasn't there, so when at last he did appear, he lifted
>it onto a new level, strung with sexual tension.
That last look when Joey realised what Rachel was talking about was
great.
>> I also enjoyed their conversation about children in 806 TOW The
>> Halloween Party."
>
>Oh! I totally missed that bit! Yes of course, thanks!
>If you read between the lines, what Joey's *really* saying goes..
>
> "Don't worry that you'll be unable to cope with your child.
> You will do real fine - just as long as I don't walk away."
I have a feeling uncle Joey will be there for her, though!
>>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>
>>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
>
>> He hasn't bothered to find out what the abbreviations for the
>> buildings mean?
>
>I know! It's hardly his first day at NYU.
It's ridiculous.
>> And why on earth were the students still sitting in the classroom
>> after 50 minutes?
>
>Good point. They should have given up on him long before that.
Absolutely.
>Maybe old Dr.Newman was occasionally tardy, so he'd mark you up a
>grade if you studied your books while patiently waiting for him.
I've had some old and strict professors, and they told us to wait for
10 minutes, and if they weren't there by that time, we could just take
our books and leave.
>> He bought a sports car in 714, a bike for Phoebe in 709, and was
>> spending lots of money on Kristen in 717. Either he lost a lot of
>> money over the summer, or he is earning less money.
>
>Maybe he invested in his father's plan to sell ice over the internet.
Oh, yes, what a great idea that would be! ;)
>>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
>> Could be!
>
>Yep, we were assuming that Carol & Susan each paid a third of that,
>but what if their contribution is far less? What if Susan left Carol
>some months ago, and it's a big secret? (Ben believes some excuse).
What if Susan said that she had a photo-shoot in London, while
secretly planning to meet Emily there, so they end up hooking up in
London?
>>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
>
>> It doesn't look like it, which is why it's so great that the mother of
>> his second child is such a successful career woman who earns a lot of
>> money herself! (Just like I said in another thread.)
>
>I've dug the pre-814 posts out of my own archive, but I haven't had
>time to go through them all yet. However, I did see from the subject
>titles that these include a ridiculous notion that Ross should have
>custody of the new baby, especially since Joey will cheat on Rachel.
Yes, I read some of those posts at google. I didn't bother to write
many replies to them, though.
>>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>>> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>>> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
>
>> I'm sorry, but I didn't like it at all.
>
>It was just David's little acrobatic flourish that I liked.
That last spin when he almost started rolling down the hall?
>> Lol! You're right. And who knows, perhaps she heard Chandler mutter
>> something about it when his potential game-room was turned into a
>> beautiful guest room when she moved in?
>
>Oh she must have done. They all sit around in Central Perk discussing
>the events of the day, which we've seen played out in only 22 minutes.
Yep.
>> This puzzled me. All of a sudden Monica loved videogames and had
>> totally forgotten her fight with Chandler in 603 on the exact same
>> subject. You're right that she loved playing foosball, and she also
>> seemed to enjoy playing pool in 306 TOW The Flashback. What happened
>> to that?
>
>Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
>didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
>complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
>Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
They should compromise and make it into a guest-game room.
>> And where are they going to put the game? They cannot keep the
>> arcadegame in their living room (so I guess they'll have to ask Joey
>> to move it). So where? Their own bedroom?
>
>Maybe Ms.Pacman will end up on the balcony with Pat the dog. :)
Lol! Yeah, but then we're stuck with a new mystery: How did they get
Ms.Pacman on the balcony? (Zvaq lbh, guvf jvyy cebonoyl ehva
Punaqyre'f qernzf bs univat frk ba gur onypbal. Rot13 about 813)
>>> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
>>> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
>
>> Phoebe seemed to have a lovely room in 709 TOW All The Candy.
>
>Good point, yes she did.
>Maybe Phoebe despoiled the huge bedroom closets which we never see.
With the bike? ;)
>>> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
>>> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
>>> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
>>> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
>>> "You suck!"
>
>> Yep. I watched that episode last night, and it is so funny! "Olympic
>> standing there team." Lol! Very appropriate right now!
>
>I love the promo with the young girl who isn't very good at ice dancing,
>since she keeps sliding into all the other little skaters, but when she
>grows up she's the captain of the US women's ice hockey team!
Oh, yes, that is a good one. I also enjoy the commercial for Bank of
America where they say how much they wanted to participate in the
Olympic Games, and then you see a couple making complete fools out of
themselves on the ice rink.
But my favourite is NBC's February commercial where they show clips
from the biggest shows (including Friends of course) and the Olympics.
However, the funny thing is that the clips from the Olympics are all
from the Olympic Games in Lillehammer in 1994. One second you see Joey
and Rachel on the couch from 812, and the next thing you see is our
crown prince lighting the Olympic torch. I think it's really funny. :)
>>> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
>>> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
>
>> This has Greenpeace written all over it. Besides, she was very
>> attracted to her massage client in 404 who was a member of Greenpeace.
>
>Lol, when she bit his sciatic area, he didn't go limp!
True, but I'm saying that perhaps Phoebe joined Greenpeace after
seeing what kind of "studs" they have. ;)
>>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>
>> This is Chandler. Taking a day off is regular business for him.
>
>It's nice to know he's not a workaholic. :)
Yeah, he's pretty relaxed.
>>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
>>> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
>>> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
>
>> I would think so! That seems like the most obvious dirty deed
>
>Yes! I've now seen that several others had the same idea!
Yep.
>And they keep saying "you suck"...
LOL!
>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>
>> You're hoping it was a "U," right?
>
>Yep!
I knew it. ;)
>>> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably)
>>> in an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
>
>> I don't think I want to know. Poor kid.
>
>They are slowly coming out with worse & worse revelations about his
>childhood - I wonder if they're leading up to something...
Like what?
>>> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
>>> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
>
>> I think she said "motherfucker." As for the rest, the sequence was in
>> such a slow-mo, that I didn't understand it.
>
>Yes, it's frustrating being unable to make something clearer by slowing it.
We'll have to try to play it slightly faster once the DVD is released.
>> I hadn't really expected a big storyline for the Bings this season,
>> but it's sad that Phoebe is only allowed to steal pens and play
>> videogames. She deserves to be in the spotlight more.
>
>Yep. BTW, did you notice my pregnant text picture - Rachel(baby) ? ;)
Pardon?
>>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>>> Roomie was there?
>
>> I didn't interpret the scene that way, but yes, that was funny. :)
>
>How did you interpret it then?
I didn't really put that much into it. I just thought of it as a
simple "how did you get out of the apartment without me noticing?"
>As soon as Rachel laid eyes on her gentleman caller, she turned right
>around to look into Joey's room, and then she turned back to ask "What
>are you doing here? I thought you were in your room."
Yes, that's true.
>>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
>>> or a barbershop quartet?
>
>> Hah! ;)
>
>I knew you would get it. :)
Grin.
>> I don't think I need to answer that question. Also, those lilies were
>> so beautiful, so no wonder Rachel liked them.
>
>And so fashionable..
Not to mention the fact that white lilies mean, "it's heavenly to be
with you."
>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>>> front door?
>
>> There was? (I need a better tape.)
>
>Well, I can see it in the long-shot: but for a close-up, look past the
>back of Rachel's head as she opens the door, at just below the peep-hole.
Oh, you're right; now I see it. What on earth is that?
>>> From all six, who would you punch?
>
>> Depends on which episode we are talking about.
>
>> 204 TOW Phoebe's Husband - Rachel
>
>Lol, for "there is nothing sexier than a man who
>does not want to have sex"?
Yep, and trying to ruin what Ross had with Julie.
>> 802 TOW The Red Sweater - Monica (Awful..)
>
>It only lasted a few seconds!
It was more than enough! :(
>> 716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
>
>She believed she'd been poisoned.
But still..
>> 314 TOW Phoebe's Ex-Partner - Joey
>
>Lol, for throwing Ginger's wooden leg on the fire?
Yep. That's probably the worst thing he has ever done.
>> I can't think of any big moments for Chandler, but 208 TOW The List is
>> a good contender, even though he only tried to help.
>
>Yeah, I wanted to punch him then.
Me too. But if he's going to be a toilet brush/dung beetle in his next
life, I'm sure he'll make up for it.
>> 803 TOW Rachel Tells - Ross. (Surprise, surprise..)
>
>For his oh-so-romantic proposal?
Yep. I've never been more furious with him.
>>> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
>
>> Good question. He was so nice to her in e.g. 410 TOW The Girl From
>> Poughkeepsie. If she could have chosen anyone on the building, I think
>> Treeger would have been the one.
>
>Ooh yes, and then Joey would squeeze him down the garbage chute.
Unless he would dance him down the trash chute.. ;)
>> Absolutely! I loved that last scene, and even though they didn't say
>> much, it was pretty much the most dramatic moment we've had so far
>> this season.
>
>I knowww! Sheer "Friends" magic...
Yep!
>>> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
>>> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
>>> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
>>> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
>>> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
>>> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
>
>> It sounds a bit creepy. They better not show this movie to Chandler!
>
>That depends on what happens to Cujo in the end...
Lol!
>>> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
>>> the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>
>> She probably hoped it would get hit by an ice-cream truck.
>
>Lol, and dragged for 19 blocks?
Yes. That would be punishment enough for Cujo.
>> I don't think Joey is in the mood to play Ms Pacman at the moment.
>
>No, I guess not, he's not a happy bunny just yet.
No, I feel sorry for him..
>> Those meaningful dramatic moments where you wonder what on earth is
>> going to happen, are the essence here while the comedy is a wonderful
>> icing... I was left counting the hours until the next episode..
>
>Ooh, this is where I get my own back for the S7 finale - instead of
>having to wait for 167½ hours, it was merely a few seconds...
Yes, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait for 724, because that's
probably why I was completely fooled by the pregnancy test. However,
at the moment it's terrible to wait for 814 since we had a rerun last
Thursday.
>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about
>>> four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then
>>> Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so
>>> Chandler replies that was what they went to the store for in the first
>>> place.
>
>> Good thing they left this out.
>
>It does sound a bit weak.
Yes.
>>> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
>>> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
>>> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
>
>> Lol. While Monica fell off her chair rather easily in 807 TOW The
>> Stain..
>
>Yes, and Joey fell off his stool in 710 "TOW the Holiday Armadillo".
Yes, two good examples of funny comedy involving chairs.. :)
>>> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
>>> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
>>> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
>
>> Grin. It's all about that boyish charm.
>
>Hehe, but at the moment it's Joey who's got that.
Yep.
>> All in all, it was a very uneven episode. Ross's story was dull,
>> Chandler, Monica and Phoebe's story was nothing more than okay, but
>> the last story about Joey and Rachel was brilliant. This story might
>> turn out to be one of the most important plots we've had since
>> Chandler and Monica hooked up, and it is very promising at the moment.
>
>Yes, just as long as they don't forget about it in the next episode...
I doubt it. This is too big to ignore.
>> Aniston and LeBlanc have *never* been better than they are at the
>> moment, and the prospect of the two characters hooking up is
>> incredibly intriguing... I love the direction the show is taking at
>> the moment! :)
>
>So do I! I just *love* all of this!!!
Me too. And judging by almost 30 million Americans, I think it's safe
to say that so do most of the other viewers in the USA as well.
>Fantastic reply, Marita - thankyou so much... :)
No problem, Tennant. I love reading your reviews. :)
~Marita
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> > Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
> > since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> > when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> > "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> > Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
> No, my friend you have to think. He's paying alimony to his 3 wives!!!
> :)
>
Why would you assume he's paying alimony? It is certainly not a given
that alimony (or "maintenance" as many states call it now) will be
ordered, especially not for marriages that last for a blink of an eye.
Besides, if you assume alimony is being paid, perhaps he is receiving
alimony. The law no longer presumes it is the man's "job" to support
his wife. It may be that the woman earns more than the husband, and
she could be ordered to pay alimony. Generally (and this is a vast
over generalization), you would not see alimony ordered, except in
long term marriages, where one spouse earns significantly more than
the other, or where one has not worked outside the home for years in
order to take care of the family.
On a somewhat related issue, I saw in another thread that someone
speculated that Ross had "many years" to be a good husband to Carol.
I don't recall that a specific length of their marriage has been
mentioned, although I would guess it was only 3 or 4. Tennant? I
know you have the answer.
Scott
Scott Letteney
>
>
> >> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
> >> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
> >> when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
> >> "TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
> >> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
> No, my friend you have to think. He's paying alimony to his 3 wives!!!
> > :)
>
> I see your smiley, but surely only Carol receives alimony.
>
This may be a matter of semantics, but I can't imagine Carol receives
alimony from Ross. I'm sure she recevies child support on behalf of
Ben, though. Alimony is a payment made from one former spouse to
another, by court order typically, to equalize their relative
financial situations, ordinarily because the paying spouse earns
significantly more than the recipient spouse, or because the recipient
spouse has some sort of difficulty in supporting him or herself. I
don't recall it being discussed, but I can't imagine Carol has
difficulty in supporting herself, or that Ross earned all that much
more than her at the time of their divorce. We joined the Friends 8
years ago, when Ross was how old -- about 26, say? If he went
straight through to his bachelor's degree in the ordinary amount of
time (4 years), he would be about 22 then (most people are 18 or will
turn 18 within weeks of graduating high school), plus another 2 to 3
years or post graduate and doctoral education, he had probably only
been at the museum for a year or so. It is not likely he was making
huge dollars then.
Anyway, the point is he certainly pays child support, but not alimony,
to Carol.
Scott
Dennis
"Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Tennant has mentiond this a couple of times and i do not agree. Joey did not
manipulate the situation so that he gets to kiss Rachel. Chandler and Monica
wanted to kiss and Joey offerd to help. That left Ross and himself available
to kiss Phoebe and Rach. With all the history between R and R, he naturally
put Ross and Phoebe together. I definitely do not believe that he did all
this in order to kiss Rachel.
--
Dennis
"Nothing is so bad, that it can't get worse!"
André Knoche
news:10124174...@athprx02.forthnet.gr...
> > Yep. In 70 seconds, he manipulated all of his friends so that he got to
> > kiss Rachel at midnight (four years earlier he was stuck with Chandler).
> >
>
> Tennant has mentiond this a couple of times and i do not agree. Joey did
not
> manipulate the situation so that he gets to kiss Rachel. Chandler and
Monica
> wanted to kiss and Joey offerd to help. That left Ross and himself
available
> to kiss Phoebe and Rach. With all the history between R and R, he
naturally
> put Ross and Phoebe together. I definitely do not believe that he did all
> this in order to kiss Rachel.
I agree with you Dennis. Tennant, with all given respect, you clearly have
way too much time on your hands interpreting all these scenes and turning
them around till they suit your ideas about how the show should be. At least
thats how I feel when I read some of your posts. Though a lot of your posts
are enjoyable, there are some cases in which they are rather painful. Wasnt
it Ross himself, who suggested in an earlier episode, that due to his whole
history with Rachel he'd rather kiss Phoebe than Rachel on a similar
occasion?
But you just have to fight your little war to claim Joey is Mr. Super Smart
and come up with these odd interpretations of scenes. It's certainly true
that Joey is nowhere near as dumb as some people believe, but neither is
everything he says and does the work of a genius, e.g. figuring out one of
the girls was pregnant in 802 - c'mon, my dog would've known. Also you need
to explain to me how the "it's never gonna happen" talk with Ross was smart.
It was ever so obvious from a guy's point of view, I figure girls just dont
always think that far when a guy they know really well is so nice to them.
Besides, Chandler knew as well...
Also, why do you have to go about and try to piss all the R&R fans off? Ok,
we all got that you're rooting for R&P, but are comments like
> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
necessary? Also you recently had your comparison of a barbershop quartet and
a bouquet of lilies. But how about comparing a "brownie, no actually I got
hungry on the way and ate it myself" to the broche Ross got rachel for her
birthday, or for letting her keep the T-Shirt, even though she broke his
heart for the second time in like three weeks time? Ok, he slept with
another woman, but he was like begging her to forgive him and willingly
admitting that he had made a mistake numerous times.
I've reached a point where I feel that your reviews are highly manipulative,
since you yourself are strongly biased towards the characters, especially
towards Ross. The way your reviews are written, somebody who doesnt really
watch the show would get the feeling, that Ross is a major dumb ass,
irresponsible and indifferent as to the mother of his second child, where as
Joey is the knight in shining armor. In the above quote, you miss out on one
important factor, just as you did with the Joey kissing Rachel scenario
Dennis already replied to. IIRC and I'm pretty sure I do, then both R&R were
drunk when they got married and it was HER idea, so wtf do you make it sound
as if Ross took advantage of her? and all those things you mention
supposedly showing how poor a father Ross is going to be compared to Joey -
how much time do you need to come up with that?
Finally, is there anything on the show that is just chance to you? You
assign a special laugh and a special "walk" to Rachel, which she only shows
to Joey. Dont you even get the slightest feeling you're reading way too much
into it??
I mean back in Season 3, were you thinking that Ross and Chandler were gonna
hook up, because they had a few rather close moments in 301 ("share not
scare") and in whichever one it was with the hug&roll. I mean, c'mon you
must've seen it, the way Ross looked at Chandler when he rolled over that
cushion and when Chandler asked if the cushion was meant to be a woman - he
did that to reassure himself, the rumors of chandler's gayness never really
stopped, so dont ya think there's some strong foreshadowing here??
ok, enough cynism for now...
Andre
PS: I think you should stop killfiling Dennis, even though he happens to
disagree with you on a few things. You can take that, cant ya? or does
everybody have to agree with you, otherwise your little world falls into
pieces?
--
Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that
tell you about God?
Listen to me! You have to consider the possibility that God does not like
you. He never wanted you, in all probability, he hates you.
This is not the worst thing that can happen. We dont need him. Fuck
damnation man, fuck redemption. We're God's unwanted children? So be it!!
(Tyler Durden)
abrahammy
"André Knoche" <andre...@arcormail.de> wrote in message
news:3c586...@news.arcor-ip.de...
> way too much time on your hands interpreting all these scenes and turning
> them around till they suit your ideas about how the show should be.
In Tennant's defense, he's not the only person who does this, although I
think he is more tenacious than most.
> But you just have to fight your little war to claim Joey is Mr. Super
Smart
> and come up with these odd interpretations of scenes.
Tennant seems to be very frustrated with the fact that Joey is occasionally
quite perceptive and insightful, but he's written dumb. It's hard to
reconcile the two. I personally accept the idea that Joey is a swiss army
knife and he gets to be exactly as stone stupid or brilliant as it easily
serves the writers purposes to be at any given instant. I just saw the one
about him buying a boat at a silent auction. There's no chance he was
intended to be bright in that situation. Tennant prefers to hope the
writers are not as careless as they appear.
> Also, why do you have to go about and try to piss all the R&R fans off?
Oh, he's not as bad as some folks I've seen running around...
>
> > Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> > up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
>
> I've reached a point where I feel that your reviews are highly
manipulative,
> since you yourself are strongly biased towards the characters, especially
> towards Ross. The way your reviews are written, somebody who doesnt really
> watch the show would get the feeling, that Ross is a major dumb ass,
> irresponsible and indifferent as to the mother of his second child, where
as
> Joey is the knight in shining armor.
There are a lot of people in the J&P camp who take that view right now. The
show has NOT done a good job of balancing Joey's concern with Ross'. That's
about to get fixed.
> Dennis already replied to. IIRC and I'm pretty sure I do, then both R&R
were
> drunk when they got married and it was HER idea, so wtf do you make it
sound
> as if Ross took advantage of her? and all those things you mention
> supposedly showing how poor a father Ross is going to be compared to
Joey -
> how much time do you need to come up with that?
Grin. Especially because we know exactly what kind of father he is to Ben.
All we know about Joey and children is that he left a baby on the bus and
made a kid actor cry by showing him his hernia.
> Finally, is there anything on the show that is just chance to you?
Grin. Double grin.
No. Tennant is fairly sure it's all very deliberate.
You
> assign a special laugh and a special "walk" to Rachel, which she only
shows
> to Joey. Dont you even get the slightest feeling you're reading way too
much
> into it??
He would not be the first one!
>
>
> PS: I think you should stop killfiling Dennis, even though he happens to
> disagree with you on a few things. You can take that, cant ya? or does
> everybody have to agree with you, otherwise your little world falls into
> pieces?
Well, I agree with Tennant on very little, and he hasn't killfiled me yet.
Owen Shiers
I saw it coming, but it was funny.
>
>
> >> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
> >> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as
the
> >> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into
love
> >> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
>
> > It's one huge dun dun dun alright!
>
> I knowww!!! I so wanted to dun³ it, but I already used it for 723.
well dun4 it!
>
>
> >> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
> >> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
> >> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
>
> > It was a fantastic, although I don't think it's on a parr with R&R's
> > split up...
>
> I didn't like the R&R scenes in that episode, although the trail and
> the trapped four were fun. In any case, it's far easier to capture the
> audience's emotions with tragedy, especially when they have invested 2½
> years in becoming involved with the characters.
>
I thought the break up was incredibly well written, I bet half the audience
were crying. It still ranks with me as one of the most memorable Friends
scenes...I hope we get some more like it!
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
> >> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the
> >> fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out
> >> to them.
>
> > You definitely cannot say it's out of the blue, although I'm undecided
> > about Rachel's feelings.
>
> It's possible everybody is, including the writers.
>
> But look what happened the instant Rachel found out, in 124.
Yes, I still find that rather dubious, for sure, it would change your
attitude to that person, but to suddenly like him? I mean she must have
already had some feelings...but she said she'd never thought of him like
that!
>
>
> >> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was
> >> only to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just
> >> a pretty face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New
> >> Girlfriend".
>
> > Yes, it was this attitude that Joey had for quite a while.
>
> This attitude?
Taking women at face value.
>
>
> >> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
> >> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
> >> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>
> > Yes, I think it was entirely physical for Rachel from Joey, which would
> > accompany the of having sex with thousands of women.
>
> So people assume. But from what we've *seen*, the scores so far are...
>
> 21 Ross
> 20 Joey
> 19 Phoebe
> 16 Rachel
> 15 Monica
> 14 Chandler
>
> ..and bear in mind that C&M have been out of circulation for 3½ seasons.
I can't believe Ross is top! I suppose the writers enjoy using his sex
stories for purely comedic purposes. Have you counted smaller mentions of
sex? Such as in "TOW Joey's Bag" when he says he had sex a couple of days
ago.
>
>
>
>
> > Remember also he changed his mind to Phoebe afterwards!
>
> No, after Rachel turned him down, he just said he wished he'd tried
> it on Phoebe instead, but he never actually did anything about it.
True...though remember when Rachel and Phoebe swapped backups? That says
something abour Phoebe's feelings (at least then)
>
>
>
> Foreshadowing may not always reflect what is about to happen, but it can
> certainly be caused by what the writers & producers are thinking about.
True, I suppose they have to carry our small tests of character interaction,
to see what could work.
>
>
> >> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
> >> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
> >> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature.
>
> > Do you think that Joey and Tag's night out was one of the reason's
Rachel
> > ended it?
>
> Not really. Rachel wanted to have a boyfriend with a youngish outlook, but
> she also wanted him to be mature enough to be a father to her children.
Then why bother with him in the first place?!
>
>
> >> And these stories included 702 "TOW
> >> Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on too strong for
him;
>
> > Her intentions were never anything else though than to scare him off.
>
> The point is that it worked. Think about it.
Hmmm....true...
>
>
>
> >> 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against Chandler, and
> >> whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award",
> >> where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
>
> > Saying it turns her on is going a bit far!
>
> RACHEL: If you win you have to hug me! You hug me!
>
> JOEY: Can I squeeze your ass?
>
> RACHEL: On TV? Yeah!
How can you say that turns her on? She was simply concerned about her ego,
being seen with a soap star on TV.
>
>
> >> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW
> >> Rachel's Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW
> >> the Stain" in which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of
> >> moving to Ross's building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where
> >> raging hormones made her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle
> >> for a quick fling.
>
> > Season 8 definitely saw a big raise in the temperature. Do you think the
> > writers had it planned a long time before?
>
> I reckon that they did have it planned for a long time, but that doesn't
> necessarily mean that they were going to put that plan into action. My
> suspicion is that the series was going to end this year with R&R getting
> back together. But then the huge ratings started coming in, and the big
> enemy on CBS was suddenly in trouble - so Mona arrived at Central Perk.
>
That's what I also thought, ahhh an R&R re-union, I just hope they don't get
carried away and do something, un-doable to spoil the end, if they don't
renew contracts.
>
> > Also, remember, there's been a lot of foreshadowing for J&P, I mean,
> > they've kissed twice!
>
> Three times at least. 7 years ago, 5½ years ago, and 4 years ago.
Oh yeah, sorry! There's something in that surely?
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>
> > Eeeeeeer, that is a toughie! Why avenue though? There is no Avenue A on
> > manhattan island...
>
> According to a friend, there is. She says they call it Alphabet City,
> and others call it ABC City. Avenues A, B, C, and D are east of First
> Avenue, which is east of East Village - Ross lives in West Village.
And they just Avenues 1-5 (with some given nicknames) These are the main
avenues of Manhattan, in that case, Avenue A must be a smaller Avenue, a
sub-avenue or something?
>
>
> >> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
>
> > Must be un-organised Doctor Professor Geller!
>
> He's worked at NYU for over two years, so he should know better. In any
> case, an intelligent person would have had one of his classes moved.
I know, don't look good.
>
>
>
> >> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
> > I doubt it...Carol and Susan also pay.
>
> It's not just a private school, it's the Smithfield Day School,
> one of the best schools in the city. Even with Carol & Susan,
> the fees must be an enormous stretch for them.
Weeeell, How much does Ross earn?
>
>
> >> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
>
> > Definitely, I wouldn't read too much into it.
>
> So why couldn't he afford to take a cab?
Bad writing, bad writing :(
>
>
> >> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> >> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> >> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
>
> >> If he was unorganised, he would have to organise his work!
>
> Heh. Whose theory of dominance do you think he was talking about?
Not sure...
>
>
>
>
> >> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
> >> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
> >> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
> >> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball
> >> at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for
> >> being too good.
>
> > I though that was very bad continuity, I put it down to the disaster
that
> > was season 6.
>
> Now I've had a chance to think about Monica's point of view, it works.
>
> Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
> didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
> complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
> Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
>
Do you think that she would have approved one game in the room then? Or
located somewhere else?
>
> >> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
> >> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
>
> > Not sure, when was the last time we saw that room?
>
> I'd forgotten about 709 "TOW All The Candy", so I was wrong there.
Ahhh yes, I remember.
>
>
> >> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
>
> > Well Ross could have drawn a diagram, and shouted. Rachel could have,
errm
> > helped, Monica could have bossed everyone around. Phoebe could have used
> > some alternative moving techniques, Joey could get another hernia, and
> > Chandler could get trapped again!
>
> LOL!!!
That reminds me, I have to move an extremely large 1920's wardrobe out of my
room this weekend, I better get drawing....
>
>
> >> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
> >> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
> >> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
> >> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
> >> "You suck!"
>
> > She certainly has changed.
>
> The little fat girl is happy now.
Hehe, she aint trapped anymore!
>
>
> >> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
> >> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
>
> > I'd say on the street. May I also second the calling the police pigs,
as
> > I've been witness to crowd clearing at football matches.
>
> Errr... well, since my grandfather was in the force (he was a police vet)
> you should know that I was merely expressing Phoebe's point of view.
Sorry! I'm sure they weren't as violent then!, I was just disgusted that's
all, I don't want to repeat some of the stuff I've seen...
>
>
>
>
> >> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>
> > I wondered that, or was it a saturday?
>
> No, it was a Monday. Monica said that Ben was coming over the next day,
> which happened at the end of the episode. S8-13 begins the following
> morning, and after the titles it's later that day, which is Wednesday.
Ohhh...bad continuity!
>
>
> >> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
> >> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
> >> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
>
> > Yep....I can't think of any more!!
>
> Somebody on Angel's Friends assumed it was R-I-M and J-O-B. :(
Hmmmm!
>
>
> >> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>
> > or R-E-G for Regina?
>
> Lol, that sounds like a boy's name. The same woman who told me about
> Avenue A suggested that maybe Phoebe entered P-B-1, P-B-2 etc.
Hey, not bad!
>
>
>
>
> >> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother of
> >> fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
>
> > I think you've pretty much got everything there!
>
> It's nice to defeat all the opera.
Lol
>
>
> >> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona
story
> >> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> >> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with
Sean
> >> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
>
> > Definitely, I'm getting annoyed by the amount of J&P and C&M stories. We
> > need some substance concerning Monica or Chandler and the lack of C&J
> > interaction saddens me...
>
> I quite agree. And we've been most deprived of Monica/Rachel stories.
I hope the writers are reading this!
>
>
> >> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
> >> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
> >> Roomie was there?
>
> > Very clever.
>
> Aniston's timing was superb there - and she looked just great.
Lol, yip!
>
>
> >> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
> >> or a barbershop quartet?
>
> > Well a barbershop quartet is a little OTT, unless you're Ross of course!
>
> It was borderline stalker...
>
Don't get that one...
>
> >> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> >> front door?
>
> > Hang on....<plays 812.avi>...searches......aha, err dunno!
>
> Are you outputting the signal to a large widescreen TV?
Errr I could do, but I can't be assed to buy 20m of cable!
>
>
>
> >> From all six, who would you punch?
>
> > Monica
>
> Aww... why?
She is/was annoying, she just gets on my breasticles!
>
>
> >> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
>
> > He's not as annoying as he was...
>
> When was he annoying, then?
When he was desperate!
>
>
> >> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo,
while
> >> Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
>
> > What type of people is Joey dating!!??
>
> Mabel wasn't all that bright, was she?
Lol, nope!
>
>
>
>
> >> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
> >> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are
Just
> >> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a
mother
> >> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
> >> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
> >> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
>
> > Thanks, that's been playing on my mind for weeks... ;)
>
> Three cheers for the IMDb.
Hoorah!!! (in a posh 20's voice)
>
>
> >> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
> >> the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>
> > Lol, that would be funny, I don't think Joey would be that good at
> > Ms.Pacman...as he says he's not very fast, and for that you need quick
> > reflexes.
>
> And it's a girlie game anyway... ;)
Yeah, I stick to DK
>
>
> >> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> >> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
>
> > No! Because it's not fun!
>
> Hah! You'll learn... ;)
Sob...
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
> >> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about
> >> four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then
> >> Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so
> >> Chandler replies that was what they went to the store for in the first
> >> place.
>
> > Why do you think they changed the teaser?
>
> Probably just for time, there was nothing wrong with it.
D'oh, damn cropping.
>
>
> >> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
> >> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
> >> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
>
> > Lol
>
> Oh well, it will probably be on the DVD. 801-808 is due out on March 18th.
Ah! That soon!Cool!
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
> >> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
>
> > Ahh...so maybe it wasn't as much a filler as intended?
>
> So it seems. DS should really have given Ross a few token lines to say.
Yeah...it'sa bit dissapointing.
>
>
> >> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most easily
> >> remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were noticeably
> >> different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty funny, and must
> >> have been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be
> >> intact.
>
> > Well the writers must have had J&R as their priorities for this ep.
>
> Yes, and for once their priorities were our priorities! :)
Yay!
>
>
> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
>
Owen
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> > > Yes, I think it was entirely physical for Rachel from Joey, which
would
> > > accompany the of having sex with thousands of women.
> >
> > So people assume. But from what we've *seen*, the scores so far are...
> >
> > 21 Ross
> > 20 Joey
> > 19 Phoebe
> > 16 Rachel
> > 15 Monica
> > 14 Chandler
> >
> > ..and bear in mind that C&M have been out of circulation for 3½ seasons.
OK, I missed something. How on earth do you have Ross with 21 different sex
partners? If we accept that Carol WAS his first, which David Crane has
carelessly corroborated (wondering why we have time to worry about this) we
have:
1. Carol
2. Julie
3. Rachel
4. Chloe
5. Bonnie
6. Emily
7. Janice
8. Elizabeth
9.Presumably, Mona.
10. He also had sex with somebody we don't know about for sure about six
months before he last slept with Rachel. I'm missing 11 people. I will not
accept the cleaning lady or the librarian. David Crane has corroborated
that Ross first *had sex* with Carol
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
>>> You bet! The main story in this episode was just so incredibly good, I
>>> couldn't believe it.. I knew it would be good from the title of the
>>> episode, but I don't think anybody expected it would be *this* good.
>> Det er fint at du er enig med meg!!! :)
> RPGOL! Svært bra, Tennant.
Tusen takk.
My theory is that it's something to do with the possible new contracts,
where they get the episode off if there's not a good story for them.
>>> And "The Geller Yeller"? What's up with that?
>> You can see Rachel wincing at that.
> Yep. I wonder what kind of font he used (bold letters, perhaps?) when
> he announced that he's about to become a father again?
Lol, he should just think himself lucky that none of the Geller clan
will use his glad tidings to wrap up monkey excrement.
>>> If the writers plan on writing him out of the series and giving him a
>>> permanent job as a director, they are doing an excellent job. How can
>>> the audience care about and enjoy a character who worries about roller
>>> blades when he should be doing other things?
>> I agree - although I did like the way David Schwimmer (not Ross) rolled
>> across the room to use the stick on the doorway, with his boyish grin.
> It seemed too far-fetched to me. I don't think there are many
> professors out there who would let themselves look stupid in front of
> the entire class like he did, when he might as well have taken off the
> roller blades and put on some slippers instead.
That's exactly what I mean by enjoying Mr.Schwimmer, not Dr.Geller.
>>> I've already expressed my disgust over Ross in this episode and 811
>>> about a thousand times (or at least it feels like it), so I'll suffice
>>> it to say that Ross deserves better, and this story should have been
>>> put in the trash can right after some of the writers came up with the
>>> idea.
>> DS has to like this sort of stuff, he was the director.
> Yeah, I've come to that conclusion as well.
And my friends lapped up Ross's story - they loved all three stories.
>>> Also, I got some really strong 506 TOW The Yeti vibes as Chandler
>>> tried to move the video game. Apparently, he hasn't joined a gym and
>>> built up his upper body since he tried to move Ross's fossil samples.
>> Lol yes, well spotted!
> Yep, and this time around he couldn't pick up something light and
> carry that instead.
Hah, that reminds me of Ross hurting his back by carrying boxes for
Kristen Lang, while Too-Dumb-To-Breathe Joey examines all the labels,
then ignores the BOOKS box and carries the PILLOWS box.
>>> And another thing. Chandler's line about Phoebe not having to get them
>>> anything was just like his line in 703 TOW Phoebe's Cookies about
>>> their engagement:
>>> "That's okay Pheebs, we're not having a party or anything, so you
>>> don't have to get us.."
>>> But I think he should expect something. After all, it was their
>>> wedding.
>> Quite so. And again it was Monica who insisted.
> Absolutely. She didn't want to deprive Phoebe of that joy.
Lol, Monica is so generous that way...
>> And your quote shows up a small inconsistency (but not a continuity
>> error) in that there *was* an engagement party according to 811.
> I bet Monica managed to persuade him in the end.
Yep. People have differing ideas, and plans change.
>>> Did you notice that it said "United We Stand" on Chandler's red
>>> sweater? Another nice tribute to the victims of 9/11 on the show.
>> No, I missed that one. Does it refer to anything in particular?
> Oh, I'm sorry about that. I completely forgot that people in Europe
> probably haven't heard that slogan.
> It showed up on T-shirts, bumper stickers, roadsigns, coffeecups,
> buttons, walls, sweaters, necklaces (even the signs at McDonalds took
> down their advertisements for BigMacs, and wrote this slogan on their
> signs instead)... well, practically *everything* after 9/11. I don't
> know how many signs that had "United We Stand" written all over it in
> my neighbourhood last fall. It's a sign that Americans won't be beaten
> by the terrorists, they're united. :)
Gosh.
>>> Also, I think Chandler's "The Claw" was too similar to Jim Carrey in
>>> the movie "Liar! Liar!". It seemed to me like they had stolen that
>>> idea from the movie.
>> Had he been playing a video game, then?
> No, he was doing it to tickle his young son.
Oh.
>>> Chandler wins! He beat them all! Can you believe it? Granted, he
>>> ruined his fingers with it, but still, I hadn't expected that he would
>>> beat Monica who's so much better than him in foosball. And it was so
>>> great that he beat Phoebe at the game when she thought he "sucked" at
>>> it. :)
>> Yes, another one to chalk up! And Monica was last, losing yet again.
> Yes, and she didn't freak out because of it.
Indeedy.
>>> This last scene was by far the best part of this storyline. Knowing
>>> how Lisa Kudrow sometimes does swear at the tapings (that was revealed
>>> in the bloopers show), it was funny to see her go nuts and curse like
>>> crazy for a couple of seconds.
>> Indeedy. I'm sure that scene was inspired by reality.
> Absolutely. I thought about the outtake form 519 right away when I saw
> this scene.
Just so as long as they're keeping LK happy...
>>> Their first scene in Central Perk was crucial to this story. They were
>>> so in sync when Ross came in, and when they started talking about
>>> dating it, was further proof of how close these two are right now.
>> Yep. Notice how Joey knew exactly which buttons to press.
> Yes, and it was even funnier when they started discussing Citizen Kane
> later on.
Yes, they'd have had more fun watching "Clockwork Orgy"...
> BTW, Rachel was reading a magazine about Alex Kingston, so this was a
> shameless promotion for ER.. ;)
Who's he?
>>> I don't think there were many who weren't touched when he gave her the
>>> bouquet of lilies. It was so cute! Of course, this clip was shown over
>>> and over again in the promos for 812, making people even more excited
>>> about the episode. (The also showed the last couple of seconds of the
>>> episode (the "scared/terrified" part), but somehow I thought the
>>> flower scene was far more meaningful than those words..
>> Indeedy, but seeing the promo defused some of the power of that scene,
>> for when I heard the knock at the door, I just didn't know who would be
>> standing there, and I guessed it would be Ross getting in the way.
> We didn't see him knocking on her door or Rachel in the bathroom in
> the promo, we just saw him giving her the flowers.
Yes, I've seen that promo now. The editing was still very misleading,
for the video cuts just before Joey & Rachel kissed, then we see them
cuddling under a blanket after sex, scared what the future will bring.
>> However, as she walked to the door, I was fervently wishing "let it
>> be Joey, let it be Joey, let it be Joey" because I instantly realised
>> how romantic that would be - hence the subtitle to this review.
> Yeah, I knew it would be him.. Damn promos. :)
That was what I meant about defused power. Poor you.
>>> Wasn't it sweet of him to let her order whatever she wanted, even
>>> though she wanted lobster *and* filet mignon?
>> It sure was, and note that he carefully avoided any poultry.
> Lol! Yes, and he didn't play with a chicken either.
Exactly.
This is why Joey isn't dumb. He may not know stuff, but he learns.
>> Plus if you think about it, we have very rarely seen Joey out on a
>> date, it's far more likely to be Ross. The reason is simple, success
>> is *usually* quite boring to watch, compared with ineptitude.
> I totally agree. And that's what I've been trying to say ever since
> Joey was brought into this plot. Happy, successful people are boring
> to watch. Now that Joey has been put on the Ross and Rachel
> "vippehuske,"
RPGOL - you got it in!
> we don't know what's going to happen because of
> all the tension that is building up.
Indeedy.
>>> This made me start thinking, though. If Ross can't afford taking a cab
>>> to the Freeman building, and Joey can afford going to fancy restaurants
>>> and ordering luxurious meals, that must mean that Joey has more money
>>> now than he did in 717 TOW The Cheap Wedding Dress.
>> Joey must have received a big pay rise when he took over the rôle of
>> Jessica, and though that happened in 713, maybe he had debts to pay.
> To Chandler? For numerous pizzas and months of rent? That would
> explain how Chandler could afford to buy dinner for 128 people in
> September..
It could indeed. But there might also be marina costs, and boring
stuff like the rent, bills, and taxes.
>>>> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most
>>>> wonderful time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best
>>>> date that he's ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has
>>>> enjoyed the romance at the beginning instead of the sex at the end -
>>>> and so Rachel explains that it was because he was with her.
>>> What can you say about this scene? How good was their chemistry? Wow!
>> They zinged. They zipped. They zizzled.
> Yep.
Sigh... :)
>> Some fans still cite Ross & Rachel's break-up in 316 as being better,
>> but it's far easier to capture the audience's emotions with tragedy,
>> especially on top of 2½ years worth of investment in the characters.
> I agree. This scene was incredible, and they were both so comfortable
> around each other and friendly up until that fateful moment when she
> looked into his eyes..
And as she turned away, her soul swept through his heart...
>>> You could literally see him falling for her in that scene. LeBlanc was
>>> fabulous, and that nervous sound he made afterwards told us how
>>> shocked he was. Joey didn't plan to fall in love with Rachel. Being
>>> the group's best Friend, he has always been there for them, and now
>>> that he has romantic feelings for one of them, one part of him is
>>> shocked while the other one is confused.
>> Exactly. You put that very well, sweetie. :)
> Tusen takk.
Vær så god.
>>> This other date was so revealing for Joey and the state he is right
>>> now. His date was pretty, but dumb ("You mean like from behind?"),
>> Yes, the difference between her & Joey was so obvious.
> And if this scene doesn't count in the "Joey isn't stupid" category, I
> don't know what does.
Oh, the doubters will just say it's all coincidence, and obvious anyway.
>>> and he merely shrugged his shoulders and wasn't attracted to her at
>>> all. Hello? This is a clear sign that his crush on Rachel isn't just
>>> something that's going to go away like that. He's fallen in love for
>>> real this time around, even though he didn't plan it.
>> Yep. Often the English expression to *fall* in love seems weird if you
>> think about it (what is Norwegian like?) but here the metaphor shows
>> its worth.
> We say "forelske seg." To love is "elske," so we just add "for."
What modification does the "for" make?
> We do say that a person falls for somebody, though, but that's a bit
> different.
Like the way we have people falling for a joke or a trick?
>> The poor guy. This could end really badly for him, especially if this
>> is the last season, and the writers are planning for six dooms...
What do you think of this?
>>>> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary
>>>> of being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles
>>>> up on the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and
>>>> buries her face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to
>>>> which he replies that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best
>>>> friend close, we see it's not the movie that worries him, but the
>>>> prospect of losing her...
>>> I don't think that was it. I think he was terrified at the prospect of
>>> what is going to happen to all of them now that he has realised that
>>> he has feelings for her. He is scared of what his relationship with
>>> her is going to be like, and he's afraid that she'll find out about
>>> his feelings and freak out because of it. He's also afraid of the
>>> others finding out about it, and he's scared that he might get hurt in
>>> the near future.
>> Yeah, Johnson Walker made much the same comment, and now that you have
>> too, I see that I didn't put that very well. I was relying too much on
>> the ellipsis to convey the Kippish chain of events that will surely
>> follow if this goes badly. Fortunately for Monica, she was drunk.
> Yes, she didn't worry about the consequences, so she just went for it.
> Have we ever seen Joey really wasted (apart from his "I love you" to
> Ross in 124, even though I wouldn't call that being drunk)?
No, he wasn't drunk, not if we believe his "only a couple beers".
OTTOMH, this is when they were really wasted...
104 Monica
104 Phoebe
104 Rachel
111 Ross
121 Monica
207 Rachel
311 Chandler
315 Ross
325 Joey
405 Phoebe
413 Chandler
424 Monica
524 Rachel
524 Ross
601 Phoebe
616 Rachel
624 Phoebe
714 Monica
714 Ross
..but there may well be other instances.
The whole gang was drinking in 325, but only Joey ended up as a
mermaid the next morning, and this IIRC was his only time. He
was probably over the limit in 703, but he seemed okay to me.
>>> But this last scene was so heartbreaking and wonderful, that the last,
>>> tiny little part of me who wished for a RnR reunion is gone for good.
>> Awww... that's sad in a way. For me it was the barbershop quartet, even
>> though I didn't realise its significance until he set her desk on fire.
> Yes, even though people are dying to see the two of them together
> again, I don't think it's possible anymore. I mean, of course they
> might end up together, but for me the magic is gone, and it will never
> be as great as that kiss in 207 where almost all the Friends-fans
> breathed out a "finally!" In fact, I think I'm going to use a quote
> from 110 TOW The Monkey:
> David: "Right. But, see, the longer I waited, the more phenomenal the
> kiss had to be, and now we've reached a place where it's just gotta be
> one of those things where I just like... sweep everything off the
> table and throw you down on it."
> My point is that a reunion between the two at this point must be
> something totally amazing in order to meet the fans' expectations.
> Now, if we have only 11 episodes left, I just don't see how they are
> going to fulfil those hopes and dreams in a fantastic way. I fear that
> if they decide on having a quick and simple reconciliation, we'll be
> left feeling a bit cheated and wondering if it really was worth it.
Yes indeed. That's why you don't *expect* a RnR reunion, but why don't
you *wish*for* a RnR reunion? If instead we have 60 (or more) episodes
left, there would be plenty of time, so would do you wish it again?
>>> I cannot see the two of them getting together now. It's too late. Both
>>> of them have moved on, and it's time they find happiness in other
>>> people instead. I don't know if Joey will be the one for Rachel, but
>>> this episode certainly brought him a lot closer.
>> Welcome to the club, sweetheart. :)
> The club is growing everyday... A friend of mine just told me that she
> thought it was the best idea on the show since Chandler and Monica,
> and I agree with her.
Me too.
>>> Ross's story was awful, plain and simple. I didn't laugh once, and
>>> that last scene was painful to watch. When you have to use roller
>>> blades to try to make the audience laugh, you're much better off
>>> putting the character on the couch in Central Perk with just a few
>>> lines.
>> What did you think of Monica on wheels, in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck"?
> Well, I think that was a bit different. That wasn't a big part of the
> plot (although I guess this wasn't either), but both she and Rachel,
> who were the only ones really affected by the roller skates back then,
> had big, important stories to work on, so the roller skates weren't
> that important.
Yeah, but parenthetically you conceded that applies to Ross also.
>>> I think the number of people who went from being RnR fans to JnR fans
>>> after this episode says it all.
>> I'm just trying to think who it was on ATF convinced me that JnR would
>> make a great couple, since originally I envisaged the pair going their
>> separate ways, in pursuit of their careers.
> In the beginning I thought there was nothing there but friendship, but
> now I don't know how it's going to end. Their future is still up in
> the air.
Yep. Good innit?
>>> Absolutely, he did a great job *behind* the camera. My suggestion is
>>> that the writers keep him there until they find some good material for
>>> Ross.
>> Yeppity. They need new contractual arrangements where there are no filler
>> stories, (well, no bad ones), using the time saved for the other plots.
> ITA.
Ja.
>>> I totally agree. They were amazing together (as always), and I
>>> sincerely hope that their storyline will continue for a long, long
>>> time.
>> Yay! If it continues for at least 2½ years, everyone associated with
>> the show will make a lot more money for as long as reruns are shown.
> As if they're not earning enough money already! j/k.
Yeah, but they could blow their savings, and the syndication money
would still keep rolling in. It's a gravy train for life.
>>>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>>>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are
>>>> the fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was
>>>> pointed out to them.
>>> I wasn't! But you already know that. :)
>> "But sitting squashed up together just don't mean nothing!"
> Lol. I'm so glad we aren't forgetting these hints.
Yep.
>>> I was cheering and almost jumping up and down.
>> Fantastic! :)
> Smil.
Smiler bredt.
>>> I watched it together with a friend of mine (a so-called casual viewer
>>> who was into RnR pre-812), but by the end of this episode she was
>>> grinning and exclaimed: "Oh, my god! They are so great together!"
>> Exactly! And for once, Rachel didn't drop any food on the floor...
> Aww, he's such a gentleman that he would have eaten it for her. ;)
Lol
>>> "Duh! Joey is and always has been an idiot!! He didn't know anything
>>> back then!!" ;)
>>> j/k
>> Absolutely - and even if he did, the only thing he knows about is
>> relationships, just like any typical man...
> Yep, and the only education comes from cereal boxes and the V-volume.
And life.
>>>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>>>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
>>>> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>>> That was such a funny story!
>> Oh yes! I love the way that Ross was allowed an intelligence he rarely
>> exhibits these days, to appreciate the subtlety with which Joey avoided
>> spoiling the book for Rachel, even though it was lost on Chandler.
> It was rather lost on me as well until you explained it since I have
> only seen the movie. :)
It's astonishing the depth one finds in the scripts sometimes.
>>> Yep, yep. These two have had foreshadowing for a long time. It's like
>>> Chandler and Monica all over again, but then again, it's very
>>> different and new.
>> Absolutely. Even if all else is a figment of our imaginations, Rachel's
>> advice in 516 "TOW the Cop" has been out there for almost three years.
>> JOEY: Won't-won't that take longer?
>> RACHEL: Yeah. Yeah, but once you find it, ohh it's so worth the wait.
> And so far this relationship has been very worth the wait, even though
> it hasn't turned into a romantic relationship yet.
Well, we R+R fans had to wait longer than a couple of episodes...
>>> This was where it really began. Their wet-paper towel fight in 618
>>> told us that they were about to become the new successful duo on the
>>> show.
>> That's right. It was the second turning point in her life, the first
>> being the moment that she cut up all her father's credit cards.
> I guess we should have realised that the fact that there was no Monica
> to hug her this time around was rather important to Rachel's future..
Awww...
>>> Absolutely. Then again, we've already discussed these moments, and I
>>> think it's fair to say that Rachel and Joey were the funniest
>>> characters in season 7.
>> Yes, I think it is fair to say that. But according to my reviews, these
>> are the characters whom I singled out for most praise, if any...
>> 703 Rachel & Joey
>> 705 Ross & Phoebe
>> 706 Phoebe & Rachel & Ross
>> 707 Janice
>> 709 Ross & Phoebe
>> 710 Ross
>> 711 Chandler & Rachel
>> 712 Joey & Ross
>> 713 Phoebe
>> 714 Monica
>> 715 Joey
>> 716 Joey
>> 717 Monica
>> 718 Joey & Rachel
>> 719 Joey & Monica
>> 722 Chandler & Monica
>> ...though you'll differ on some of those. Nevertheless, that totals...
> Yes, I thought they were pretty good in 707 and 713.
Me too, very good in fact, but for me they were pipped to the post.
>> 6 Joey
>> 5 Ross
>> 4 Monica & Phoebe & Rachel
>> 2 Chandler
>> 1 Janice
> Yes.
Okay.
>>> And even though the scene in 811 was short, it still was the best
>>> scene in the entire episode.
>> That's right - Joey's presence was felt throughout the story even
>> though he wasn't there, so when at last he did appear, he lifted
>> it onto a new level, strung with sexual tension.
> That last look when Joey realised what Rachel was talking about was
> great.
Oh yesss....
>>> I also enjoyed their conversation about children in 806 TOW The
>>> Halloween Party."
>> Oh! I totally missed that bit! Yes of course, thanks!
>> If you read between the lines, what Joey's *really* saying goes..
>> "Don't worry that you'll be unable to cope with your child.
>> You will do real fine - just as long as I don't walk away."
> I have a feeling uncle Joey will be there for her, though!
That's the point, he won't walk away.
>>>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>>>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
>>> He hasn't bothered to find out what the abbreviations for the
>>> buildings mean?
>> I know! It's hardly his first day at NYU.
> It's ridiculous.
Yep.
>>> And why on earth were the students still sitting in the classroom
>>> after 50 minutes?
>> Good point. They should have given up on him long before that.
> Absolutely.
Yep.
>> Maybe old Dr.Newman was occasionally tardy, so he'd mark you up a
>> grade if you studied your books while patiently waiting for him.
> I've had some old and strict professors, and they told us to wait for
> 10 minutes, and if they weren't there by that time, we could just take
> our books and leave.
What about very old and sloppy professors? :)
>>> He bought a sports car in 714, a bike for Phoebe in 709, and was
>>> spending lots of money on Kristen in 717. Either he lost a lot of
>>> money over the summer, or he is earning less money.
>> Maybe he invested in his father's plan to sell ice over the internet.
> Oh, yes, what a great idea that would be! ;)
It's at times like this one might hope Monica takes after her mother. :)
>>>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>>> Could be!
>> Yep, we were assuming that Carol & Susan each paid a third of that,
>> but what if their contribution is far less? What if Susan left Carol
>> some months ago, and it's a big secret? (Ben believes some excuse).
> What if Susan said that she had a photo-shoot in London, while
> secretly planning to meet Emily there, so they end up hooking
> up in London?
Ooh, Ross would so hate that.
>>>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
>>> It doesn't look like it, which is why it's so great that the mother of
>>> his second child is such a successful career woman who earns a lot of
>>> money herself! (Just like I said in another thread.)
>> I've dug the pre-814 posts out of my own archive, but I haven't had
>> time to go through them all yet. However, I did see from the subject
>> titles that these include a ridiculous notion that Ross should have
>> custody of the new baby, especially since Joey will cheat on Rachel.
> Yes, I read some of those posts at google. I didn't bother to write
> many replies to them, though.
Not many? What did you say?
>>>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying
>>>> his pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why
>>>> didn't he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students
>>>> to arrive?
>>> I'm sorry, but I didn't like it at all.
>> It was just David's little acrobatic flourish that I liked.
> That last spin when he almost started rolling down the hall?
Yeah, he's just about to go through the door, when he does a spin,
and both ends of his pointer just catch on the door frame, and it
bends into a bow, at which point DS gives us a cheeky little grin.
Then the stick springs back to propel him into the room, except it
snaps, and a second spin makes him hit the wall by the door.
>>> This puzzled me. All of a sudden Monica loved videogames and had
>>> totally forgotten her fight with Chandler in 603 on the exact same
>>> subject. You're right that she loved playing foosball, and she also
>>> seemed to enjoy playing pool in 306 TOW The Flashback. What happened
>>> to that?
>> Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
>> didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
>> complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
>> Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
> They should compromise and make it into a guest-game room.
Where did the dolls house go?
>>> And where are they going to put the game? They cannot keep the
>>> arcadegame in their living room (so I guess they'll have to ask Joey
>>> to move it). So where? Their own bedroom?
>> Maybe Ms.Pacman will end up on the balcony with Pat the dog. :)
> Lol! Yeah, but then we're stuck with a new mystery: How did they get
> Ms.Pacman on the balcony? (Zvaq lbh, guvf jvyy cebonoyl ehva
> Punaqyre'f qernzf bs univat frk ba gur onypbal. Rot13 about 813)
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>>>> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
>>>> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
>>> Phoebe seemed to have a lovely room in 709 TOW All The Candy.
>> Good point, yes she did.
>> Maybe Phoebe despoiled the huge bedroom closets which we never see.
> With the bike? ;)
No, the wet paper towel bombs.
>>>> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
>>>> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
>>>> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
>>>> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
>>>> "You suck!"
>>> Yep. I watched that episode last night, and it is so funny! "Olympic
>>> standing there team." Lol! Very appropriate right now!
>> I love the promo with the young girl who isn't very good at ice dancing,
>> since she keeps sliding into all the other little skaters, but when she
>> grows up she's the captain of the US women's ice hockey team!
> Oh, yes, that is a good one. I also enjoy the commercial for Bank of
> America where they say how much they wanted to participate in the
> Olympic Games, and then you see a couple making complete fools out of
> themselves on the ice rink.
That too.
> But my favourite is NBC's February commercial where they show clips
> from the biggest shows (including Friends of course) and the Olympics.
> However, the funny thing is that the clips from the Olympics are all
> from the Olympic Games in Lillehammer in 1994. One second you see Joey
> and Rachel on the couch from 812, and the next thing you see is our
> crown prince lighting the Olympic torch. I think it's really funny. :)
Lol
>>>> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
>>>> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
>>> This has Greenpeace written all over it. Besides, she was very
>>> attracted to her massage client in 404 who was a member of Greenpeace.
>> Lol, when she bit his sciatic area, he didn't go limp!
> True, but I'm saying that perhaps Phoebe joined Greenpeace after
> seeing what kind of "studs" they have. ;)
Gosh, yes.
>>>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>>> This is Chandler. Taking a day off is regular business for him.
>> It's nice to know he's not a workaholic. :)
> Yeah, he's pretty relaxed.
Yep.
>>>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high
>>>> score table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens
>>>> "you won't be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O
>>>> and J-O-B?
>>> I would think so! That seems like the most obvious dirty deed
>> Yes! I've now seen that several others had the same idea!
> Yep.
>> And they keep saying "you suck"...
> LOL!
Sort smil.
>>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>>> You're hoping it was a "U," right?
>> Yep!
> I knew it. ;)
Stort smil.
>>>> So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably)
>>>> in an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
>>> I don't think I want to know. Poor kid.
>> They are slowly coming out with worse & worse revelations about his
>> childhood - I wonder if they're leading up to something...
> Like what?
Quite honestly, I don't know, it's too weird.
>>>> What profanities did Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch", "mother
>>>> of fuck", and "asshole" - was there a daughter or father of anything?
>>> I think she said "motherfucker." As for the rest, the sequence was in
>>> such a slow-mo, that I didn't understand it.
>> Yes, it's frustrating being unable to make something clearer by slowing it.
> We'll have to try to play it slightly faster once the DVD is released.
Yep, on A-B repeat.
>>> I hadn't really expected a big storyline for the Bings this season,
>>> but it's sad that Phoebe is only allowed to steal pens and play
>>> videogames. She deserves to be in the spotlight more.
>> Yep. BTW, did you notice my pregnant text picture - Rachel(baby) ? ;)
> Pardon?
I described the relationship chain as "Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona", in
which "Rachel(baby)" shows the baby in Rachel's womb "()".
>>>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>>>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>>>> Roomie was there?
>>> I didn't interpret the scene that way, but yes, that was funny. :)
>> How did you interpret it then?
> I didn't really put that much into it. I just thought of it as a
> simple "how did you get out of the apartment without me noticing?"
He quietly walked out while she was dressing in her room?
>> As soon as Rachel laid eyes on her gentleman caller, she turned right
>> around to look into Joey's room, and then she turned back to ask "What
>> are you doing here? I thought you were in your room."
> Yes, that's true.
I thought it was a wonderful touch - congrats to JA & DS.
>>>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
>>>> or a barbershop quartet?
>>> Hah! ;)
>> I knew you would get it. :)
> Grin.
Most others didn't.
>>> I don't think I need to answer that question. Also, those lilies were
>>> so beautiful, so no wonder Rachel liked them.
>> And so fashionable..
> Not to mention the fact that white lilies mean, "it's heavenly to be
> with you."
Really? In the language of flowers?
>>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>>>> front door?
>>> There was? (I need a better tape.)
>> Well, I can see it in the long-shot: but for a close-up, look past the
>> back of Rachel's head as she opens the door, at just below the peep-hole.
> Oh, you're right; now I see it. What on earth is that?
My pet theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
>>>> From all six, who would you punch?
>>> Depends on which episode we are talking about.
>>> 204 TOW Phoebe's Husband - Rachel
>> Lol, for "there is nothing sexier than a man who
>> does not want to have sex"?
> Yep, and trying to ruin what Ross had with Julie.
Exactly.
>>> 802 TOW The Red Sweater - Monica (Awful..)
>> It only lasted a few seconds!
> It was more than enough! :(
But just look at how quickly & efficiently her new husband smooths
out her ruffled feathers, and she goes all cute & girlish on him.
>>> 716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
>> She believed she'd been poisoned.
> But still..
And in the full version, she apologised, and Monica forgave her.
>>> 314 TOW Phoebe's Ex-Partner - Joey
>> Lol, for throwing Ginger's wooden leg on the fire?
> Yep. That's probably the worst thing he has ever done.
He was all sleepy, and thought it was a log!
>>> I can't think of any big moments for Chandler, but 208 TOW The List is
>>> a good contender, even though he only tried to help.
>> Yeah, I wanted to punch him then.
> Me too. But if he's going to be a toilet brush/dung beetle in his next
> life, I'm sure he'll make up for it.
Ah well, the dung beetle reference reminds us of the things that
Chandler did to wreck things for Ross, starting with 124 & 208;
as the toilet brush reminds us of what he did to Janice.
>>> 803 TOW Rachel Tells - Ross. (Surprise, surprise..)
>> For his oh-so-romantic proposal?
> Yep. I've never been more furious with him.
How can people say this couple are in denial? That was so callous.
>>>> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
>>> Good question. He was so nice to her in e.g. 410 TOW The Girl From
>>> Poughkeepsie. If she could have chosen anyone on the building, I think
>>> Treeger would have been the one.
>> Ooh yes, and then Joey would squeeze him down the garbage chute.
> Unless he would dance him down the trash chute.. ;)
Oh yes, yours is better than mine. :)
>>> Absolutely! I loved that last scene, and even though they didn't say
>>> much, it was pretty much the most dramatic moment we've had so far
>>> this season.
>> I knowww! Sheer "Friends" magic...
> Yep!
Yay!
>>>> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen
>>>> King (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard
>>>> Are Just Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid,
>>>> trapping a mother & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by
>>>> a man in a costume, and five real dogs - to make them attack the car,
>>>> the trainer put their favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs
>>>> would try to get them.
>>> It sounds a bit creepy. They better not show this movie to Chandler!
>> That depends on what happens to Cujo in the end...
> Lol!
Exactly.
>>>> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to
>>>> lend the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>>> She probably hoped it would get hit by an ice-cream truck.
>> Lol, and dragged for 19 blocks?
> Yes. That would be punishment enough for Cujo.
Eww...
>>> I don't think Joey is in the mood to play Ms Pacman at the moment.
>> No, I guess not, he's not a happy bunny just yet.
> No, I feel sorry for him..
Oh, just about every "Friends" fan must be totally on Joey's side.
>>> Those meaningful dramatic moments where you wonder what on earth is
>>> going to happen, are the essence here while the comedy is a wonderful
>>> icing... I was left counting the hours until the next episode..
>> Ooh, this is where I get my own back for the S7 finale - instead of
>> having to wait for 167½ hours, it was merely a few seconds...
> Yes, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait for 724, because that's
> probably why I was completely fooled by the pregnancy test. However,
> at the moment it's terrible to wait for 814 since we had a rerun
> last Thursday.
Did it do well in the ratings?
>>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
>>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying
>>>> about four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they
>>>> bought, then Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They
>>>> can't find any, so Chandler replies that was what they went to the
>>>> store for in the first place.
>>> Good thing they left this out.
>> It does sound a bit weak.
> Yes.
But it will probably end up on the DVD, according to my source.
>>>> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
>>>> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
>>>> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
>>> Lol. While Monica fell off her chair rather easily in 807 TOW The
>>> Stain..
>> Yes, and Joey fell off his stool in 710 "TOW the Holiday Armadillo".
> Yes, two good examples of funny comedy involving chairs.. :)
And Joey stamping the foot rest to make Ross shoot bolt upright,
for a lecture on the importance of the trail, in 316.
Oh, and 713.
>>>> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
>>>> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
>>>> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
>>> Grin. It's all about that boyish charm.
>> Hehe, but at the moment it's Joey who's got that.
> Yep.
Indeedy.
>>> All in all, it was a very uneven episode. Ross's story was dull,
>>> Chandler, Monica and Phoebe's story was nothing more than okay, but
>>> the last story about Joey and Rachel was brilliant. This story might
>>> turn out to be one of the most important plots we've had since
>>> Chandler and Monica hooked up, and it is very promising at the moment.
>> Yes, just as long as they don't forget about it in the next episode...
> I doubt it. This is too big to ignore.
I guess that January 31st counts as part of the February sweeps?
>>> Aniston and LeBlanc have *never* been better than they are at the
>>> moment, and the prospect of the two characters hooking up is
>>> incredibly intriguing... I love the direction the show is taking at
>>> the moment! :)
>> So do I! I just *love* all of this!!!
> Me too. And judging by almost 30 million Americans, I think it's safe
> to say that so do most of the other viewers in the USA as well.
And soon the rest of the world...
>> Fantastic reply, Marita - thankyou so much... :)
> No problem, Tennant. I love reading your reviews. :)
Thanks - I love reading your replies. :)
Tennant Stuart
s...@genevaonline.com (Scott Letteney) wrote:
> Someone speculated that Ross had "many years" to be a good husband to
> Carol. I don't recall that a specific length of their marriage has been
> mentioned, although I would guess it was only 3 or 4. Tennant? I know
> you have the answer.
Well, in 312 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross says he was with Carol for
about eight years. In 508 "TOW the Thanksgiving Flashbacks", Ross told
him mother he had a new girlfriend named Carol (in November 1988); and
we know from 104 "TOW George Stephanopoulos" that they first had sex a
month before. The marriage began to end in September 1993, see 306 "TOW
the Flashback"; and it finished ending a year later (in the pilot; so
that means eight years refers to the relationship, not the marriage.
However, in 418 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", we heard that in high school,
he wasn't jealous at all even though all his girlfriends were cheating
on him, so up until '92-93 he was very trusting, then '94 hit, Carol
left him and bamn, Paranoid City. One might argue from this that they
were married in 1992, but I'm not so sure, it might be earlier.
If anyone can think of any other references, please write in.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.072e874aff...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> He's paying alimony to his 3 wives!!! :)
>> I see your smiley, but surely only Carol receives alimony.
> This may be a matter of semantics, but I can't imagine Carol receives
> alimony from Ross. Anyway, the point is he certainly pays child support,
> but not alimony, to Carol.
Yes, it was semantics, Scott - and quite my own fault for not putting
my words more clearly. If Ross is paying alimony to *any* of his wives,
then Carol is the only feasible recipient; and it is likely that he pays
child support instead, as you say. In any case, my point was that Emily
& Rachel almost certainly do not receive alimony from Ross.
Tennant Stuart
Shiers" <str...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Tennant wrote:
>>>> ---o0o---
Ah, well I didn't see it coming, but it was funny. :)
>>>> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of
>>>> directing one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the
>>>> show, as the slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last
>>>> sparked into love for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging
>>>> over Rachel.
>>> It's one huge dun dun dun alright!
>> I knowww!!! I so wanted to dun³ it, but I already used it for 723.
> well dun4 it!
Hehe.
>>>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their
>>>> scenes together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that
>>>> they were on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in
>>>> the series.
>>> It was a fantastic, although I don't think it's on a parr with R&R's
>>> split up...
>> I didn't like the R&R scenes in that episode, although the trail and
>> the trapped four were fun. In any case, it's far easier to capture the
>> audience's emotions with tragedy, especially when they have invested 2½
>> years in becoming involved with the characters.
> I thought the break up was incredibly well written,
Yes, I recognise its quality, I just didn't like it.
> I bet half the audience were crying.
Maybe...
> It still ranks with me as one of the most memorable Friends
> scenes...I hope we get some more like it!
Monica breaking up with Chandler?
>>>> ---o0o---
>>>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel
>>>> romance has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the
>>>> fans who did not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed
>>>> out to them.
>>> You definitely cannot say it's out of the blue, although I'm undecided
>>> about Rachel's feelings.
>> It's possible everybody is, including the writers.
>> But look what happened the instant Rachel found out, in 124.
> Yes, I still find that rather dubious, for sure, it would change your
> attitude to that person, but to suddenly like him? I mean she must have
> already had some feelings... but she said she'd never thought of him
> like that!
Indeed. But nevertheless, the writers have their precedent.
>>>> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was
>>>> only to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than
>>>> just a pretty face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW
>>>> Ross's New Girlfriend".
>>> Yes, it was this attitude that Joey had for quite a while.
>> This attitude?
> Taking women at face value.
Oh that - we all do that, don't we? Then we get to know them, and
appearances count for far less, personality for far more.
>>>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>>>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until
>>>> the fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>>> Yes, I think it was entirely physical for Rachel from Joey, which
>>> would accompany the of having sex with thousands of women.
>> So people assume. But from what we've *seen*, the scores so far are...
>> 21 Ross
>> 20 Joey
>> 19 Phoebe
>> 16 Rachel
>> 15 Monica
>> 14 Chandler
>> ..and bear in mind that C&M have been out of circulation for 3½ seasons.
> I can't believe Ross is top! I suppose the writers enjoy using his sex
> stories for purely comedic purposes.
Yep. Of course, he & Rachel have also been out of circulation for a
fair few episodes, so if I was to factor all that in, Ross would have
a considerable lead over Joey.
> Have you counted smaller mentions of sex? Such as in "TOW Joey's Bag"
> when he says he had sex a couple of days ago.
Nope, hence the way I emphasised the word "seen". Since we see these
people for an average of only 14 seconds per day of their lives, they
all must be doing many things we're not aware of, so the only reliable
comparison is to go by what we actually see on the show. I should add
that I'm including all romantic dates that we see, to save us getting
bogged in arguments over whether they were consummated or not.
>>> Remember also he changed his mind to Phoebe afterwards!
>> No, after Rachel turned him down, he just said he wished he'd tried
>> it on Phoebe instead, but he never actually did anything about it.
> True...though remember when Rachel and Phoebe swapped backups?
Ah well, compare Phoebe's behaviour when Rachel is around, with
when Rachel is not.
> That says something about Phoebe's feelings (at least then)
Maybe, but it says nothing about Joey's.
>> Foreshadowing may not always reflect what is about to happen, but it can
>> certainly be caused by what the writers & producers are thinking about.
> True, I suppose they have to carry our small tests of character
> interaction, to see what could work.
That's right, and not all such cases need be as deliberate as that. It's
just that the writing team always discuss all sorts of possibilities that
we don't hear of, some of which are biding their time in somebody's desk
drawer, and these kinda sneak their way into the background of the show.
>>>> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
>>>> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
>>>> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature.
>>> Do you think that Joey and Tag's night out was one of the reason's
>>> Rachel ended it?
>> Not really. Rachel wanted to have a boyfriend with a youngish outlook,
>> but she also wanted him to be mature enough to be a father to her
>> children.
> Then why bother with him in the first place?!
Lust?
>>>> And these stories included 702 "TOW Rachel's Book, where he teased
>>>> her until she came on too strong for him;
>>> Her intentions were never anything else though than to scare him off.
>> The point is that it worked. Think about it.
> Hmmm....true...
Exactly.
>>>> 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against Chandler, and
>>>> whispered secrets in each other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award",
>>>> where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
>>> Saying it turns her on is going a bit far!
>> RACHEL: If you win you have to hug me! You hug me!
>> JOEY: Can I squeeze your ass?
>> RACHEL: On TV? Yeah!
> How can you say that turns her on? She was simply concerned about her ego,
> being seen with a soap star on TV.
Well, bearing in mind that this is a family show on prime-time US TV,
what else do you want to see? Rachel is out in public as part of Joey's
show business career, and she's happy for him to escalate a companionable
gesture into something rather more sexual, because they are on TV.
>>>> And now, in Season 8 the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW
>>>> Rachel's Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW
>>>> the Stain" in which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead
>>>> of moving to Ross's building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward",
>>>> where raging hormones made her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't
>>>> settle for a quick fling.
>>> Season 8 definitely saw a big raise in the temperature. Do you think
>>> the writers had it planned a long time before?
>> I reckon that they did have it planned for a long time, but that doesn't
>> necessarily mean that they were going to put that plan into action. My
>> suspicion is that the series was going to end this year with R&R getting
>> back together. But then the huge ratings started coming in, and the big
>> enemy on CBS was suddenly in trouble - so Mona arrived at Central Perk.
> That's what I also thought, ahhh an R&R re-union, I just hope they don't
> get carried away and do something, un-doable to spoil the end, if they
> don't renew contracts.
Okay, but the return of Mona heralded a change of direction for the show.
>>> Also, remember, there's been a lot of foreshadowing for J&P, I mean,
>>> they've kissed twice!
>> Three times at least. 7 years ago, 5½ years ago, and 4 years ago.
> Oh yeah, sorry! There's something in that surely?
Well, AFAIA it didn't happen 2½ years ago and 1 year ago, so I don't
see it happening in six months time either.
>>>> ---o0o---
>>>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>>> Eeeeeeer, that is a toughie! Why avenue though? There is no Avenue A
>>> on manhattan island...
>> According to a friend, there is. She says they call it Alphabet City,
>> and others call it ABC City. Avenues A, B, C, and D are east of First
>> Avenue, which is east of East Village - Ross lives in West Village.
> And they just Avenues 1-5 (with some given nicknames) These are the main
> avenues of Manhattan, in that case, Avenue A must be a smaller Avenue, a
> sub-avenue or something?
I think it's not so much that they're sub-avenues, even though they
are not very long, as that they come before Avenue 1. The city planners
called them A, B, C, and D rather then 0, -1, -2, and -3.
Also, there are more than five main avenues. As Broadway runs through
the theatre district, it passes between Avenues 7 and 8, and the most
western avenue is something like 14.
>>>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
>>> Must be un-organised Doctor Professor Geller!
>> He's worked at NYU for over two years, so he should know better. In any
>> case, an intelligent person would have had one of his classes moved.
> I know, don't look good.
Yeah.
>>>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>>> I doubt it...Carol and Susan also pay.
>> It's not just a private school, it's the Smithfield Day School,
>> one of the best schools in the city. Even with Carol & Susan,
>> the fees must be an enormous stretch for them.
> Weeeell, How much does Ross earn?
I haven't the faintest idea, what's the going rate for NYU professors?
But his apartment must cost more than #19, which is paid for from the
combined salaries of an executive & a TV star (Monica gets #20 almost
for free) so you could say that Ross is either very well off, or he
has very little disposable income after paying the rent.
>>>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
>>> Definitely, I wouldn't read too much into it.
>> So why couldn't he afford to take a cab?
> Bad writing, bad writing :(
The whole storyline didn't deserve to be in the episode. Ross should
have had just a few lines in Central Perk, freeing his actor to spend
more time directing the two better stories.
>>>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying
>>>> his pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why
>>>> didn't he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students
>>>> to arrive?
>>>> If he was unorganised, he would have to organise his work!
>> Heh. Whose theory of dominance do you think he was talking about?
> Not sure...
It sounds a bit like "Greely's". Unfortunately, when you get a close
look at the blackboard, all you can see is "EORY OF DOMINANCE".
>>>> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
>>>> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
>>>> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
>>>> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing
>>>> foosball at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned
>>>> her for being too good.
>>> I though that was very bad continuity, I put it down to the disaster
>>> that was season 6.
>> Now I've had a chance to think about Monica's point of view, it works.
>> Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
>> didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
>> complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
>> Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
> Do you think that she would have approved one game in the room then? Or
> located somewhere else?
If I was Monica, I'd keep the machine in one of the huge closets off
the guest room - compare the distance from the balcony window to the
invisible wall with the size of the two bedrooms added together.
>>>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
>>> Well Ross could have drawn a diagram, and shouted. Rachel could have,
>>> errm helped, Monica could have bossed everyone around. Phoebe could
>>> have used some alternative moving techniques, Joey could get another
>>> hernia, and Chandler could get trapped again!
>> LOL!!!
> That reminds me, I have to move an extremely large 1920's wardrobe out of
> my room this weekend, I better get drawing....
Check inside for any secret passageways at the back...
>>>> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
>>>> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica
>>>> thrashing Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes",
>>>> when she yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler
>>>> to declare "You suck!"
>>> She certainly has changed.
>> The little fat girl is happy now.
> Hehe, she aint trapped anymore!
And she's getting some good loving...
>>>> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang
>>>> limp as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a
>>>> tramp?
>>> I'd say on the street. May I also second the calling the police pigs,
>>> as I've been witness to crowd clearing at football matches.
>> Errr... well, since my grandfather was in the force (he was a police
>> vet) you should know that I was merely expressing Phoebe's point of view.
> Sorry! I'm sure they weren't as violent then!, I was just disgusted that's
> all, I don't want to repeat some of the stuff I've seen...
Okay, we'd best just drop this subject.
>>>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>>> I wondered that, or was it a saturday?
>> No, it was a Monday. Monica said that Ben was coming over the next day,
>> which happened at the end of the episode. S8-13 begins the following
>> morning, and after the titles it's later that day, which is Wednesday.
> Ohhh...bad continuity!
What's bad continuity?
Chandler could have had three days off, even a week or two.
>>>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high
>>>> score table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens
>>>> "you won't be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O
>>>> and J-O-B?
>>> Yep....I can't think of any more!!
>> Somebody on Angel's Friends assumed it was R-I-M and J-O-B. :(
> Hmmmm!
I know.
>>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>>> or R-E-G for Regina?
>> Lol, that sounds like a boy's name. The same woman who told me about
>> Avenue A suggested that maybe Phoebe entered P-B-1, P-B-2 etc.
> Hey, not bad!
Yes, she often makes a great deal of sense.
>>> I'm getting annoyed by the amount of J&P and C&M stories. We need some
>>> substance concerning Monica or Chandler and the lack of C&J
>>> interaction saddens me...
>> I quite agree. And we've been most deprived of Monica/Rachel stories.
> I hope the writers are reading this!
Well, this season they do seem to have listened to a lot of what we say.
>>>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>>>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>>>> Roomie was there?
>>> Very clever.
>> Aniston's timing was superb there - and she looked just great.
> Lol, yip!
Grin.
>>>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of
>>>> flowers, or a barbershop quartet?
>>> Well a barbershop quartet is a little OTT, unless you're Ross of course!
>> It was borderline stalker...
> Don't get that one...
Just watch his increasingly creepy behaviour in 312 "TOW All the Jealousy".
>>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>>>> front door?
>>> Hang on....<plays 812.avi>...searches......aha, err dunno!
>> Are you outputting the signal to a large widescreen TV?
> Errr I could do, but I can't be assed to buy 20m of cable!
If you have a CD writer & a DVD player, you could make VCDs.
>>>> From all six, who would you punch?
>>> Monica
>> Aww... why?
> She is/was annoying, she just gets on my breasticles!
Lol!
>>>> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
>>> He's not as annoying as he was...
>> When was he annoying, then?
> When he was desperate!
That doesn't narrow it down very much...
>>>> Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo,
>>>> while Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the
>>>> Gents?
>>> What type of people is Joey dating!!??
>> Mabel wasn't all that bright, was she?
> Lol, nope!
Thank goodness we didn't have to put up with her for six episodes.
>>>> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen
>>>> King (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard
>>>> Are Just Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid,
>>>> trapping a mother & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by
>>>> a man in a costume, and five real dogs - to make them attack the car,
>>>> the trainer put their favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs
>>>> would try to get them.
>>> Thanks, that's been playing on my mind for weeks... ;)
>> Three cheers for the IMDb.
> Hoorah!!! (in a posh 20's voice)
Lol
>>>> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to
>>>> lend the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>>> Lol, that would be funny, I don't think Joey would be that good at
>>> Ms.Pacman...as he says he's not very fast, and for that you need quick
>>> reflexes.
>> And it's a girlie game anyway... ;)
> Yeah, I stick to DK
DK?
>>>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>>>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
>>> No! Because it's not fun!
>> Hah! You'll learn... ;)
> Sob...
It's worth it, don't worry...
>>>> ---o0o---
>>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
>>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying
>>>> about four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they
>>>> bought, then Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They
>>>> can't find any, so Chandler replies that was what they went to the
>>>> store for in the first place.
>>> Why do you think they changed the teaser?
>> Probably just for time, there was nothing wrong with it.
> D'oh, damn cropping.
Yep. Gotta leave plenty of time for the commercials.
>>>> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
>>>> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
>>>> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
>>> Lol
>> Oh well, it will probably be on the DVD.
>> 801-808 is due out on March 18th.
> Ah! That soon!Cool!
Yep. Mind you, that's when it's *due*, I'm not guaranteeing the date.
>>>> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably
>>>> the tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
>>> Ahh...so maybe it wasn't as much a filler as intended?
>> So it seems. DS should really have given Ross a few token lines to say.
> Yeah...it's a bit disappointing.
Don't worry about it - he did a wonderful job with the main stories.
>>>> Other jokes were lost here & there, but the above were the most
>>>> easily remembered, since they involved portions of scenes that were
>>>> noticeably different. Overall, most of the cut stuff was pretty
>>>> funny, and must have been deleted for time. All the Joey & Rachel
>>>> scenes seem to be intact.
>>> Well the writers must have had J&R as their priorities for this ep.
>> Yes, and for once their priorities were our priorities! :)
> Yay!
Good innit?
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episode 813.
Tennant Stuart
"abrahammy" <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Owen Shiers" <str...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:6WY58.43248$4i5.5...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net...
>>>> Yes, I think it was entirely physical for Rachel from Joey, which
>>>> would accompany the of having sex with thousands of women.
>>> So people assume. But from what we've *seen*, the scores so far are...
>>> 21 Ross
>>> 20 Joey
>>> 19 Phoebe
>>> 16 Rachel
>>> 15 Monica
>>> 14 Chandler
>>> ..and bear in mind that C&M have been out of circulation for 3½ seasons.
> OK, I missed something.
> How on earth do you have Ross with 21 different sex partners?
Ah, that isn't really what I was saying, but following on from Owen
saying "sex with thousands of women" I must admit that it does look
that way, so I'm sorry to have misled you.
> If we accept that Carol WAS his first, which David Crane has carelessly
> corroborated (wondering why we have time to worry about this) we have:
> 1. Carol
> 2. Julie
> 3. Rachel
> 4. Chloe
> 5. Bonnie
> 6. Emily
> 7. Janice
> 8. Elizabeth
> 9.Presumably, Mona.
> 10. He also had sex with somebody we don't know about for sure about six
> months before he last slept with Rachel. I'm missing 11 people.
Since "Friends" is a family show, there are many cases where it is rather
contentious as to whether sexual intercourse took place or not, as you & I
are only too aware of, my dear Claire.
So, since I only wished to compare like with like, what I was counted was
not just sexual intercourse, relationships, cohabitation, marriage & kids
but also romantic dates with people that we can see on the screen; saving
all the did-they/didn't-they arguments for another day - hence...
CHANDLER: Alison (203), Aurora (106), Chloe (315), Danielle (120),
Ginger (314), Jade (205), Janice, Joanna, Kathy (408), Marjorie (420),
Mary-Angela Tribbiani (311), Monica Geller, Nina Bookbinder (116), and
Susie Moss (213).
JOEY: a stripper (422), Angela Delvecchio (105), Annabel (202), Cathy
(213), Cecilia Munro (715), Chloe (315), Cynthia (509), Erica Ford (212),
Erin (707), Felicity (424), Janine LeCroix, Kate Miller (322), Kathy
(405), Katie (515), Kristen Lang (717), Lauren (320), Lorraine (114),
Melanie (124), the drycleaner's wife (622), and Ursula Buffay (116).
MONICA: Alan (103), Bob (105), Chandler Bing, Chip Matthews (402), Ethan
(122), Fun Bobby (110), Jean-Claude Van Damme (213), Julio (312), Michael
Mitchell (117), Mischa (315), Paul TWG (101), Pete Becker, Richard Burke,
Roy Gublik (214), and Timothy Burke (408).
PHOEBE: David (110), Duncan (204), Eric (807), Gary (516), Jake (718),
Jason (323), Kyle (705), Larry (507), Mr.Vegas (601), Rick (404), Rob
Donan (212), Robert (313), Roger (113), Ryan (223), Sergei (315), Tim
(805), Tom (715), Tony (105), and Vince (323).
RACHEL: Barry Farber, Carl (124), Chip Matthews (214), Danny Tyler, Dave
(502), Geoffrey Rosen (117), Jean-Claude Van Damme (213), Joshua Bergen,
Kash Ford (805), Mark Robinson (319), Michael (207), Paolo, Paul Stephens,
Ross Geller, Russ (210), and Tag Jones.
ROSS: Bonnie (324), Cailin (322), Cameron Diaz lookalike (707), Carol
Willick, Celia (115), Cheryl (406), Chloe (315), Elizabeth Hornswoggle
(511), Elizabeth Stephens, Emily Waltham, Hillary (608), Janice (512),
Jen (517), Jill Green (613), Julie (204), Kristen #3 (804), Kristen Lang
(717), Kristen Riggs (114), Mona, Rachel Green, and Whitney (705).
I'll repeat that I'm not saying that all these people had sex, I am
simply making a comparison on a level playing field (as best I can).
> I will not accept the cleaning lady or the librarian. David Crane has
> corroborated that Ross first *had sex* with Carol
Me too - I quite agree, hon.
Tennant Stuart
"André Knoche" <andre...@arcormail.de> wrote:
> Tennant, with all given respect, you clearly have way too much time on
> your hands <SNIP> but you just have to fight your little war to claim
> Joey is Mr. Super Smart <SNIP>
To cast aspersions like that André, it is clearly evident that you are
not paying the slightest attention to what I am actually saying - and
since I do not have way too much time on my hands, then with all given
respect I shall regretfully pass on your lengthy essay.
Tennant Stuart
Dennis
"abrahammy" <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "André Knoche" <andre...@arcormail.de> wrote in message
> news:3c586...@news.arcor-ip.de...
> > "Dennis" <dp...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:10124174...@athprx02.forthnet.gr... >
> > I agree with you Dennis. Tennant, with all given respect, you clearly
have
> > way too much time on your hands interpreting all these scenes and
turning
> > them around till they suit your ideas about how the show should be.
>
> In Tennant's defense, he's not the only person who does this, although I
> think he is more tenacious than most.
>
When talking about personal opinions, it is obvious that there are going to
be different interpretations about any particular situation. That is kind of
the beauty of discussing things with others. Tennant is a very smart person
and I enjoy reading several of his posts. It does appear that he has too
much free time on his hands but anyone has a right to distribute their free
time however they please. The two things that I do not like are that he
tends to present his case as fact rather than merely his opinion. He also
has the tendency to accept certain people's opinions much easier compared to
others and, I do not know if it is a coincidence or not, in most cases he
tends to be easier on particular females. In any case, he has the right to
say whatever he wants just as anyone has the right to disagree with him.
This would be an incredibly dull ng if we all sat here and told each other
that we all agree.
I wish I had the time to sit and post as often as some people do cause I
feel that there are things I want to add or bring up for discussion but I
just don't have the time. Work and real life kind of come in the way.
> > But you just have to fight your little war to claim Joey is Mr. Super
> Smart
> > and come up with these odd interpretations of scenes.
>
> Tennant seems to be very frustrated with the fact that Joey is
occasionally
> quite perceptive and insightful, but he's written dumb. It's hard to
> reconcile the two. I personally accept the idea that Joey is a swiss army
> knife and he gets to be exactly as stone stupid or brilliant as it easily
> serves the writers purposes to be at any given instant. I just saw the
one
> about him buying a boat at a silent auction. There's no chance he was
> intended to be bright in that situation. Tennant prefers to hope the
> writers are not as careless as they appear.
Everyone has their own opinion regarding Joey. IMHO, he is a nice and sweet
guy who is loyal to his friends but is not particularly bright. He has
moments that make him look smart but more often than not he has his "Joey"
moments. My only problem with Tennant's beliefs about Joey is that he tries
to make his "dumb moments" seem like they happen rarely and that even when
they do, they are just common mistakes that any smart or clever person would
make. IMHO, there are dumb moments and then there are DUMB moments, the
difference being that a smart person has dumb moments occasionally (nobody
is perfect obviously) but people that are not very smart have DUMB moments.
I can easily come up with at least 20 DUMB "Joey" moments per each season,
just counting those that no smart person would ever do. Having said that,
though, I got to add that he is my favourite character on the show,
especially after Chandler started being less sarcastic.
We also know, though, that his sisters were catholic and that he has taken
care of hundreds of children (can't remember the ep right now but it has got
to be the one where they left Ben on the Bus). I still do not think that he
has shown that he could be anywhere near as good a father as Ross though.
> > Finally, is there anything on the show that is just chance to you?
>
> Grin. Double grin.
>
> No. Tennant is fairly sure it's all very deliberate.
>
> You
> > assign a special laugh and a special "walk" to Rachel, which she only
> shows
> > to Joey. Dont you even get the slightest feeling you're reading way too
> much
> > into it??
>
> He would not be the first one!
>
>
> >
>
> >
> > PS: I think you should stop killfiling Dennis, even though he happens to
> > disagree with you on a few things. You can take that, cant ya? or does
> > everybody have to agree with you, otherwise your little world falls into
> > pieces?
>
> Well, I agree with Tennant on very little, and he hasn't killfiled me yet.
>
The difference is that you are not a guy though. You may not be in his
sweetie category (I think) but he has shown many times in the past that he
is much harder with guys who disagree with him. This is not a rule. There
are exceptions of course. I personally do not want Tennant to stop the
killfile. It is his right to killfile anyone he wants to. When I happen to
reply to Tennant's comments I do it for the group and not for the particular
person who is posting. He thinks that his time spent reading my posts is
wasted and that's fine by me. I just wish I could killfile particular words
(like sweetie) cause I am tired of seeing that word come up 50 times a day.
Dennis
> In article <3c586...@news.arcor-ip.de>,
> "André Knoche" <andre...@arcormail.de> wrote:
>
> > Tennant, with all given respect, you clearly have way too much time on
> > your hands <SNIP> but you just have to fight your little war to claim
> > Joey is Mr. Super Smart <SNIP>
>
> To cast aspersions like that André, it is clearly evident that you are
> not paying the slightest attention to what I am actually saying - and
> since I do not have way too much time on my hands, then with all given
> respect I shall regretfully pass on your lengthy essay.
>
>
> Tennant Stuart
>
> --
> ____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____
It is clear that Tennant does have a lot of time in his hands but only for
replying to where he sees fit, which is his right of course. Anywhere he
sees that he can't find any kind of argument to counter with, he just let's
it slide.
Dennis
--
Dennis
"Nothing is so bad, that it can't get worse!"
"Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:na.097d304b01...@argonet.co.uk...
> >> So people assume. But from what we've *seen*, the scores so far are...
>
> >> 21 Ross
> >> 20 Joey
> >> 19 Phoebe
> >> 16 Rachel
> >> 15 Monica
> >> 14 Chandler
>
> >> ..and bear in mind that C&M have been out of circulation for 3½
seasons.
>
> > I can't believe Ross is top! I suppose the writers enjoy using his sex
> > stories for purely comedic purposes.
>
> Yep. Of course, he & Rachel have also been out of circulation for a
> fair few episodes, so if I was to factor all that in, Ross would have
> a considerable lead over Joey.
Tennant is totally forgetting about every single mention of the numerous
times Joey has sex he has had sex the previous day or that he had sex in
high school while others were reading or when Rachel was telling him the bag
was unisex and he said that he had sex the previous day and so forth...I
cannot believe that someone is trying to make Ross look like he would have a
considerable lead over Joey...oh come on now...
> > Have you counted smaller mentions of sex? Such as in "TOW Joey's Bag"
> > when he says he had sex a couple of days ago.
>
> Nope, hence the way I emphasised the word "seen". Since we see these
> people for an average of only 14 seconds per day of their lives, they
> all must be doing many things we're not aware of, so the only reliable
> comparison is to go by what we actually see on the show. I should add
> that I'm including all romantic dates that we see, to save us getting
> bogged in arguments over whether they were consummated or not.
>
But what we *see* is constant reference to Joey having sex the previous day
with someone. The fact that we do not see the date or we do not know the
name doesn't change anything
I'd say sometimes, not often...
André Knoche
> When talking about personal opinions, it is obvious that there are going
to
> be different interpretations about any particular situation. That is kind
of
> the beauty of discussing things with others. Tennant is a very smart
person
> and I enjoy reading several of his posts. It does appear that he has too
> much free time on his hands but anyone has a right to distribute their
free
> time however they please. The two things that I do not like are that he
> tends to present his case as fact rather than merely his opinion. He also
> has the tendency to accept certain people's opinions much easier compared
to
> others and, I do not know if it is a coincidence or not, in most cases he
> tends to be easier on particular females. In any case, he has the right to
> say whatever he wants just as anyone has the right to disagree with him.
> This would be an incredibly dull ng if we all sat here and told each other
> that we all agree.
I agree here :-)
I find abrahammys swiss knife comparison really good, in fact I might stick
with it. Though it seems to me that most of Joey's smart moments are when he
sits his firiends down and helps them through whatever tough times they go
through (for example Ross in 805, or for an earlier example Rachel in 201 or
Chandler somewhere in season 3 after Chandler found out that Janice was
still in love with her husband. Thus, these scenes seem to be serving the
image of Joey as probably the best friend out of the six.
> > > PS: I think you should stop killfiling Dennis, even though he happens
to
> > > disagree with you on a few things. You can take that, cant ya? or does
> > > everybody have to agree with you, otherwise your little world falls
into
> > > pieces?
> >
> > Well, I agree with Tennant on very little, and he hasn't killfiled me
yet.
> >
> The difference is that you are not a guy though. You may not be in his
> sweetie category (I think) but he has shown many times in the past that he
> is much harder with guys who disagree with him. This is not a rule. There
> are exceptions of course. I personally do not want Tennant to stop the
> killfile. It is his right to killfile anyone he wants to. When I happen to
> reply to Tennant's comments I do it for the group and not for the
particular
> person who is posting. He thinks that his time spent reading my posts is
> wasted and that's fine by me. I just wish I could killfile particular
words
> (like sweetie) cause I am tired of seeing that word come up 50 times a
day.
hey! so someone else feels the same way about this? If I could I'd also
killfile the word "indeedy" and "okay", cause it IS kind of a pain to scan
thru a 30+KB post just to find one of these little words tossed in every now
and then on a massive pile of quotes - plus with all this *sweetie* stuff I
sometimes fear I'm reading alt.net.romance or something... *rofl*
Andre
André Knoche
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.3a724a4b01...@argonet.co.uk...
> > In article <3c586...@news.arcor-ip.de>,
> > "André Knoche" <andre...@arcormail.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Tennant, with all given respect, you clearly have way too much time on
> > > your hands <SNIP> but you just have to fight your little war to claim
> > > Joey is Mr. Super Smart <SNIP>
> >
> > To cast aspersions like that André, it is clearly evident that you are
> > not paying the slightest attention to what I am actually saying - and
> > since I do not have way too much time on my hands, then with all given
> > respect I shall regretfully pass on your lengthy essay.
> >
> >
> > Tennant Stuart
>
> replying to where he sees fit, which is his right of course. Anywhere he
> sees that he can't find any kind of argument to counter with, he just
let's
> it slide.
:-)
Anonymous
> > way too much time on your hands interpreting all these scenes and turning
> > them around till they suit your ideas about how the show should be.
>
> In Tennant's defense, he's not the only person who does this, although I
> think he is more tenacious than most.
Yes, thank God most R&R fans on the internet have the sense to not
look for romantic tension in every freaking scene they have
together...
> Tennant seems to be very frustrated with the fact that Joey is occasionally
> quite perceptive and insightful, but he's written dumb. It's hard to
> reconcile the two. I personally accept the idea that Joey is a swiss army
> knife and he gets to be exactly as stone stupid or brilliant as it easily
> serves the writers purposes to be at any given instant. I just saw the one
> about him buying a boat at a silent auction. There's no chance he was
> intended to be bright in that situation. Tennant prefers to hope the
> writers are not as careless as they appear.
The writers care more about comedy than plot. It's a bonus if you can
have both, but sometimes they need to sacrifice the character or the
plotline to get a laugh. You have to do it in sitcoms.
> > Also, why do you have to go about and try to piss all the R&R fans off?
>
> Oh, he's not as bad as some folks I've seen running around...
Who? The J&R fans or the R&R fans? Because frankly, it could easily
apply to both. I understand if R&R fans are pissed at his portryal of
Ross, but I have no doubt the real reason they are pissed is more to
do with just his opinion of J&R, because that means if J&R come true
that they have lost 5 years of their life investing in a couple that
never reunited.
And although you may sometimes pretend to be impartial in all this
abrahammy, it's clear in your posts you are in the R&R boat. And
please quit acting like you are above this somehow, everyone has a
right to post their opinion, no matter how strong or forceful it is,
without having to be "beneath" others.
>
> >
> > > Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> > > up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
> >
> > I've reached a point where I feel that your reviews are highly
> manipulative,
> > since you yourself are strongly biased towards the characters, especially
> > towards Ross. The way your reviews are written, somebody who doesnt really
> > watch the show would get the feeling, that Ross is a major dumb ass,
> > irresponsible and indifferent as to the mother of his second child, where
> as
> > Joey is the knight in shining armor.
>
> There are a lot of people in the J&P camp who take that view right now. The
> show has NOT done a good job of balancing Joey's concern with Ross'. That's
> about to get fixed.
Abrahammy, how do you know what the J&P camp is thinking about Ross?
Please tell me, I like to hear this.
>
> > Dennis already replied to. IIRC and I'm pretty sure I do, then both R&R
> were
> > drunk when they got married and it was HER idea, so wtf do you make it
> sound
> > as if Ross took advantage of her? and all those things you mention
> > supposedly showing how poor a father Ross is going to be compared to
> Joey -
> > how much time do you need to come up with that?
>
> Grin. Especially because we know exactly what kind of father he is to Ben.
> All we know about Joey and children is that he left a baby on the bus and
> made a kid actor cry by showing him his hernia.
>
Yeah, not like helping the pregnant lady out in 123, or taking care of
his 7 younger sisters who he said in TOW Baby on the Bus that he
babysat all the time. No, as usual, you are right on about Joey's
capabilities.
> You
> > assign a special laugh and a special "walk" to Rachel, which she only
> shows
> > to Joey. Dont you even get the slightest feeling you're reading way too
> much
> > into it??
>
> He would not be the first one!
God, if only ATF had a rolling eyes symbol...
abrahammy
"Anonymous" <johnson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "abrahammy" <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<M0%58.8252$ks5.8...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > >
>
> Who? The J&R fans or the R&R fans? Because frankly, it could easily
> apply to both. I understand if R&R fans are pissed at his portryal of
> Ross, but I have no doubt the real reason they are pissed is more to
> do with just his opinion of J&R, because that means if J&R come true
> that they have lost 5 years of their life investing in a couple that
> never reunited.
>
> And although you may sometimes pretend to be impartial in all this
> abrahammy, it's clear in your posts you are in the R&R boat.
I did not say I was impartial. Actually, the nearest I came to discussing
my own bias was to mention that I rarely agree with Tennant.
> >
> Abrahammy, how do you know what the J&P camp is thinking about Ross?
> Please tell me, I like to hear this.
Well, I've been reading a lot of posts that suggest Joey would make a better
suitor for Rachel than Ross, and one of the reason often cited is that Joey
has been seen giving her a lot of attention this year and Ross has not.
Look, all I know is what you guys keep saying - he does more nice things for
her, he appears to be more concerned about her, whereas Ross is more
concerned about the baby, and I have to agree that some of the content in
this season does in fact suggest that, especially if viewed in a vacuum.
> > Grin. Especially because we know exactly what kind of father he is to
Ben.
> > All we know about Joey and children is that he left a baby on the bus
and
> > made a kid actor cry by showing him his hernia.
> >
> Yeah, not like helping the pregnant lady out in 123, or taking care of
> his 7 younger sisters who he said in TOW Baby on the Bus that he
> babysat all the time. No, as usual, you are right on about Joey's
> capabilities.
Your bitterness is showing. This is a sitcom, and I think you are more
serious about this than I am.
> > >
> > He would not be the first one!
>
> God, if only ATF had a rolling eyes symbol...
Giggle. Yer busted, though I think you deliberately intended to reveal what
was already pretty obvious. Hi, Footballguy.
abrahammy
OK, that's what I didn't get. I missed part of this thread. Now, I think
it's fairly clear that Joey's dates aren't getting airtime because they just
aren't big newsmakers; Ross makes news with his dates because it somehow
always comes back to Rachel. So the idea that if the date wasn't shown, it
didn't happen, doesn't really work. However, at least now I understand
where your numbers came from. Ross has had more dates actually shown than
anybody else.
Amy and Dave
steak dinner for chandler's bachelor party. it was mentioned when Monica
hired the "stripper" for Chandler's fake bachelor party.
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Tennant Stuart
"abrahammy" <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> And although you may sometimes pretend to be impartial in all this
>> abrahammy, it's clear in your posts you are in the R&R boat.
> I did not say I was impartial. Actually, the nearest I came to
> discussing my own bias was to mention that I rarely agree with Tennant.
Grin.
>> Abrahammy, how do you know what the J&P camp is thinking about Ross?
>> Please tell me, I like to hear this.
> Well, I've been reading a lot of posts that suggest Joey would make a
> better suitor for Rachel than Ross, and one of the reason often cited is
> that Joey has been seen giving her a lot of attention this year and Ross
> has not. Look, all I know is what you guys keep saying - he does more
> nice things for her, he appears to be more concerned about her, whereas
> Ross is more concerned about the baby, and I have to agree that some of
> the content in this season does in fact suggest that, especially if
> viewed in a vacuum.
But if viewed in the context of the series?
>> God, if only ATF had a rolling eyes symbol...
> Giggle. Yer busted, though I think you deliberately intended to reveal
> what was already pretty obvious. Hi, Footballguy.
Ooh! Where do you know Footballguy from, Claire? :)
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and Dave" <dna...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> Also romantic dates with people that we can see on the screen.
> Don't forget about Joey with the waitress from when they went out for a
> steak dinner for chandler's bachelor party. it was mentioned when Monica
> hired the "stripper" for Chandler's fake bachelor party.
I didn't forget her. She wasn't seen.
Tennant Stuart
"abrahammy" <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> So, since I only wished to compare like with like, what I was counted
>> was not just sexual intercourse, relationships, cohabitation, marriage
>> & kids but also romantic dates with people that we can see on the
>> screen; saving all the did-they/didn't-they arguments for another day.
> OK, that's what I didn't get. I missed part of this thread. Now, I think
> it's fairly clear that Joey's dates aren't getting airtime because they
> just aren't big newsmakers; Ross makes news with his dates because it
> somehow always comes back to Rachel. So the idea that if the date wasn't
> shown, it didn't happen, doesn't really work. However, at least now I
> understand where your numbers came from. Ross has had more dates
> actually shown than anybody else.
Fair enough Claire, we agree. :)
Marita Bakken
> >>>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
>
> >>> You bet! The main story in this episode was just so incredibly good, I
> >>> couldn't believe it.. I knew it would be good from the title of the
> >>> episode, but I don't think anybody expected it would be *this* good.
>
> >> Det er fint at du er enig med meg!!! :)
>
> > RPGOL! Svært bra, Tennant.
>
> Tusen takk.
Lol. You're getting good at your Norwegian.
> > Don't even mention it. It's too bad David didn't ask them to skip this
> > story completely and let him focus on his job as a director instead.
> > Not that he didn't do a good job here, but as you say, more
> > screen-time for Joey and Rachel would have been much better.
>
> My theory is that it's something to do with the possible new contracts,
> where they get the episode off if there's not a good story for them.
That might be true. If some of them desperately want to quit the show,
and the majority wins and they do continue for another season, this is
probably the best solution. When Jay Leno asked Matt LeBlanc the
inevitable question on Wednesday, he said that they were democratic,
so if most of them wanted to continue, they would. I have a feeling he
really wants to do another season, but I'm not too sure about the
others.
> > Yep. I wonder what kind of font he used (bold letters, perhaps?) when
> > he announced that he's about to become a father again?
>
> Lol, he should just think himself lucky that none of the Geller clan
> will use his glad tidings to wrap up monkey excrement.
LOL!!
> > It seemed too far-fetched to me. I don't think there are many
> > professors out there who would let themselves look stupid in front of
> > the entire class like he did, when he might as well have taken off the
> > roller blades and put on some slippers instead.
>
> That's exactly what I mean by enjoying Mr.Schwimmer, not Dr.Geller.
Okay. I still didn't like it, though. :)
> >> DS has to like this sort of stuff, he was the director.
>
> > Yeah, I've come to that conclusion as well.
>
> And my friends lapped up Ross's story - they loved all three stories.
Oh well...
> > Yep, and this time around he couldn't pick up something light and
> > carry that instead.
>
> Hah, that reminds me of Ross hurting his back by carrying boxes for
> Kristen Lang, while Too-Dumb-To-Breathe Joey examines all the labels,
> then ignores the BOOKS box and carries the PILLOWS box.
Lol.
> > Absolutely. She didn't want to deprive Phoebe of that joy.
>
> Lol, Monica is so generous that way...
It's that little part of "Fat Monica" in her that still wants
attention.
> >> And your quote shows up a small inconsistency (but not a continuity
> >> error) in that there *was* an engagement party according to 811.
>
> > I bet Monica managed to persuade him in the end.
>
> Yep. People have differing ideas, and plans change.
Besides, it sounded like fun, well, at least until 811 came along.
> > Oh, I'm sorry about that. I completely forgot that people in Europe
> > probably haven't heard that slogan.
>
> > It showed up on T-shirts, bumper stickers, roadsigns, coffeecups,
> > buttons, walls, sweaters, necklaces (even the signs at McDonalds took
> > down their advertisements for BigMacs, and wrote this slogan on their
> > signs instead)... well, practically *everything* after 9/11. I don't
> > know how many signs that had "United We Stand" written all over it in
> > my neighbourhood last fall. It's a sign that Americans won't be beaten
> > by the terrorists, they're united. :)
>
> Gosh.
Yes. It was a bit strange at first, but I got used to it rather
quickly. Besides, it is rather logical when you see the Stars and
Stripes everywhere you go.
> >> Yes, another one to chalk up! And Monica was last, losing yet again.
>
> > Yes, and she didn't freak out because of it.
>
> Indeedy.
Just imagine a competitive Monica like the one we saw in 517 TOW
Rachel's Inadvertent Kiss..
> > Absolutely. I thought about the outtake form 519 right away when I saw
> > this scene.
>
> Just so as long as they're keeping LK happy...
I wonder if Julian was there when they filmed 519? :)
> > Yes, and it was even funnier when they started discussing Citizen Kane
> > later on.
>
> Yes, they'd have had more fun watching "Clockwork Orgy"...
Or Good Will Humping. But then again, Joey liked Good Will *Hunting*
in 510 TOW The Inappropriate Sister, so perhaps they both enjoyed that
movie. I know I did.
> > BTW, Rachel was reading a magazine about Alex Kingston, so this was a
> > shameless promotion for ER.. ;)
>
> Who's he?
She's the British actress (Ralph Fiennes ex-wife) who plays Dr. Corday
on ER. :)
> > We didn't see him knocking on her door or Rachel in the bathroom in
> > the promo, we just saw him giving her the flowers.
>
> Yes, I've seen that promo now. The editing was still very misleading,
> for the video cuts just before Joey & Rachel kissed, then we see them
> cuddling under a blanket after sex, scared what the future will bring.
The promos are supposed to be extremely misleading, and they are. The
promo for 814 wasn't *that* misleading, though.
> >>> Wasn't it sweet of him to let her order whatever she wanted, even
> >>> though she wanted lobster *and* filet mignon?
>
> >> It sure was, and note that he carefully avoided any poultry.
>
> > Lol! Yes, and he didn't play with a chicken either.
>
> Exactly.
> This is why Joey isn't dumb. He may not know stuff, but he learns.
Very true indeed.
> > I totally agree. And that's what I've been trying to say ever since
> > Joey was brought into this plot. Happy, successful people are boring
> > to watch. Now that Joey has been put on the Ross and Rachel
> > "vippehuske,"
>
> RPGOL - you got it in!
I sure did! Lol. I'm glad you remembered it.
> > we don't know what's going to happen because of
> > all the tension that is building up.
>
> Indeedy.
But people still complain about it. I just don't understand why it's a
bad thing to create more tension on the show when Aniston and LeBlanc
are so incredible at the moment.
> > To Chandler? For numerous pizzas and months of rent? That would
> > explain how Chandler could afford to buy dinner for 128 people in
> > September..
>
> It could indeed. But there might also be marina costs, and boring
> stuff like the rent, bills, and taxes.
Yeah, that could be it. BTW, we never got to see Chandler and Monica
tying the knot at sea..
> > I agree. This scene was incredible, and they were both so comfortable
> > around each other and friendly up until that fateful moment when she
> > looked into his eyes..
>
> And as she turned away, her soul swept through his heart...
That's poetic....
> > And if this scene doesn't count in the "Joey isn't stupid" category, I
> > don't know what does.
>
> Oh, the doubters will just say it's all coincidence, and obvious anyway.
Yes, I guess so. :)
> > We say "forelske seg." To love is "elske," so we just add "for."
>
> What modification does the "for" make?
It's hard to explain, but "forelske seg" ("seg" is the same as the
German "sich") means to fall in love, while "elske" means (to) love.
That sounds weird, but I don't know how to put it any clearer.
> > We do say that a person falls for somebody, though, but that's a bit
> > different.
>
> Like the way we have people falling for a joke or a trick?
No, but if you fall for someone, you're basically just attracted to
them. To "forelske seg" is to take it to another level.
> >> The poor guy. This could end really badly for him, especially if this
> >> is the last season, and the writers are planning for six dooms...
>
> What do you think of this?
You're talking about Joey, right? (There have been lots of snipping
here. <g>)
Well, if nothing works out between him and Rachel, and they end up
being as single as they are right now in the series finale, we will at
least have had the opportunity to see Joey in a rather dramatic role
where he has really had the chance to show off the entire emotional
spectrum.
Yes, that's probably correct. I had a hard time remembering him as
drunk since that rarely happens.
> Yes indeed. That's why you don't *expect* a RnR reunion, but why don't
> you *wish*for* a RnR reunion? If instead we have 60 (or more) episodes
> left, there would be plenty of time, so would do you wish it again?
I don't particularly wish for a RnR reunion because I think they have
moved on. I watched season 1 last weekend, and I couldn't help
thinking that I was watching a different show than the one I'm
watching on NBC these days. They have grown up, moved on, matured,
taken different jobs, tied the knot, made a baby, got divorced... What
is there left to do for them if they get together? I think it will end
up as a giant anti-climax, and I'm not sure what good that would do to
the show.
In fact, I'd rather opt for an intriguing open ending, where we're
left with a scene that can be interpreted either way. The movies with
open or sad endings are after all the most memorable ones, so why not
Friends?
> >> What did you think of Monica on wheels, in 321 "TOW a Chick. And a Duck"?
>
> > Well, I think that was a bit different. That wasn't a big part of the
> > plot (although I guess this wasn't either), but both she and Rachel,
> > who were the only ones really affected by the roller skates back then,
> > had big, important stories to work on, so the roller skates weren't
> > that important.
>
> Yeah, but parenthetically you conceded that applies to Ross also.
But Ross didn't have a big storyline like Rachel and Monica had.
Rachel had that story with Ross which was one of the best stories they
ever had, while Monica finally kissed Pete.
> > In the beginning I thought there was nothing there but friendship, but
> > now I don't know how it's going to end. Their future is still up in
> > the air.
>
> Yep. Good innit?
Yep, it's great. :)
> >> Yay! If it continues for at least 2½ years, everyone associated with
> >> the show will make a lot more money for as long as reruns are shown.
>
> > As if they're not earning enough money already! j/k.
>
> Yeah, but they could blow their savings, and the syndication money
> would still keep rolling in. It's a gravy train for life.
That's true, but I'm more pessimistic than ever these days. They just
don't seem to *want* to do another season.
> >> Absolutely - and even if he did, the only thing he knows about is
> >> relationships, just like any typical man...
>
> > Yep, and the only education comes from cereal boxes and the V-volume.
>
> And life.
And his friends.
> > And so far this relationship has been very worth the wait, even though
> > it hasn't turned into a romantic relationship yet.
>
> Well, we R+R fans had to wait longer than a couple of episodes...
Gosh, yes, those episodes when we were hoping they would get together
were fabulous..
> > I guess we should have realised that the fact that there was no Monica
> > to hug her this time around was rather important to Rachel's future..
>
> Awww...
Yes, she hasn't been around much for Rachel, has she?
> > Yes, I thought they were pretty good in 707 and 713.
>
> Me too, very good in fact, but for me they were pipped to the post.
Yeah, well, you enjoyed Phoebe's story in 713 more than I did. :)
> > I have a feeling uncle Joey will be there for her, though!
>
> That's the point, he won't walk away.
Yes, Ross won't walk away either. She's lucky to have two men in her
life that will stick by her during this, which is why she doesn't need
a husband.
> >> Maybe old Dr.Newman was occasionally tardy, so he'd mark you up a
> >> grade if you studied your books while patiently waiting for him.
>
> > I've had some old and strict professors, and they told us to wait for
> > 10 minutes, and if they weren't there by that time, we could just take
> > our books and leave.
>
> What about very old and sloppy professors? :)
Nah, not really. Norway is a totally different issue, though.
> >> Maybe he invested in his father's plan to sell ice over the internet.
>
> > Oh, yes, what a great idea that would be! ;)
>
> It's at times like this one might hope Monica takes after her mother. :)
Oh, she'll be a great mom, I'm sure of it. :)
> > What if Susan said that she had a photo-shoot in London, while
> > secretly planning to meet Emily there, so they end up hooking
> > up in London?
>
> Ooh, Ross would so hate that.
I know, but there's something about London, right?
> > Yes, I read some of those posts at google. I didn't bother to write
> > many replies to them, though.
>
> Not many? What did you say?
I said that I thought it was rather obvious that they would share
custody of the kid and that it was just as logical to call the kid
Green as Geller.
> Yeah, he's just about to go through the door, when he does a spin,
> and both ends of his pointer just catch on the door frame, and it
> bends into a bow, at which point DS gives us a cheeky little grin.
> Then the stick springs back to propel him into the room, except it
> snaps, and a second spin makes him hit the wall by the door.
You clearly enjoyed this scene more than I did.
> >> Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house. Chandler
> >> didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted a Game Room,
> >> complete with all the old big-big arcade games like Space Invaders and
> >> Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
>
> > They should compromise and make it into a guest-game room.
>
> Where did the dolls house go?
Perhaps they keep it in the basement until little Ms G. Bing wants to
play with it.
> >> Maybe Phoebe despoiled the huge bedroom closets which we never see.
>
> > With the bike? ;)
>
> No, the wet paper towel bombs.
Oh, I see.
> > True, but I'm saying that perhaps Phoebe joined Greenpeace after
> > seeing what kind of "studs" they have. ;)
>
> Gosh, yes.
That's always a tempting treat for Phoebe.
> >> They are slowly coming out with worse & worse revelations about his
> >> childhood - I wonder if they're leading up to something...
>
> > Like what?
>
> Quite honestly, I don't know, it's too weird.
No wonder he's traumatized.
> > We'll have to try to play it slightly faster once the DVD is released.
>
> Yep, on A-B repeat.
Yes, I love that A-B thing.
> >> Yep. BTW, did you notice my pregnant text picture - Rachel(baby) ? ;)
>
> > Pardon?
>
> I described the relationship chain as "Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona", in
> which "Rachel(baby)" shows the baby in Rachel's womb "()".
Oh. :)
> >> How did you interpret it then?
>
> > I didn't really put that much into it. I just thought of it as a
> > simple "how did you get out of the apartment without me noticing?"
>
> He quietly walked out while she was dressing in her room?
Yes, I didn't really think of it as a big deal.
> >> As soon as Rachel laid eyes on her gentleman caller, she turned right
> >> around to look into Joey's room, and then she turned back to ask "What
> >> are you doing here? I thought you were in your room."
>
> > Yes, that's true.
>
> I thought it was a wonderful touch - congrats to JA & DS.
Yeah. Keep him behind the camera until Ross loses his nickname.
> >>>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
> >>>> or a barbershop quartet?
>
> >>> Hah! ;)
>
> >> I knew you would get it. :)
>
> > Grin.
>
> Most others didn't.
So I noticed.
> > Not to mention the fact that white lilies mean, "it's heavenly to be
> > with you."
>
> Really? In the language of flowers?
Yes. They also mean virginity, purity and majesty.
> >> Well, I can see it in the long-shot: but for a close-up, look past the
> >> back of Rachel's head as she opens the door, at just below the peep-hole.
>
> > Oh, you're right; now I see it. What on earth is that?
>
> My pet theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
Oh god... ;)
To get back at him for 517?
> >>> 802 TOW The Red Sweater - Monica (Awful..)
>
> >> It only lasted a few seconds!
>
> > It was more than enough! :(
>
> But just look at how quickly & efficiently her new husband smooths
> out her ruffled feathers, and she goes all cute & girlish on him.
Nope, sorry, I thought she was awful.
> >>> 716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
>
> >> She believed she'd been poisoned.
>
> > But still..
>
> And in the full version, she apologised, and Monica forgave her.
Still not good enough, sorry.
> >>> 314 TOW Phoebe's Ex-Partner - Joey
>
> >> Lol, for throwing Ginger's wooden leg on the fire?
>
> > Yep. That's probably the worst thing he has ever done.
>
> He was all sleepy, and thought it was a log!
I know, which is why he hasn't done that many evil deeds.
> > Me too. But if he's going to be a toilet brush/dung beetle in his next
> > life, I'm sure he'll make up for it.
>
> Ah well, the dung beetle reference reminds us of the things that
> Chandler did to wreck things for Ross, starting with 124 & 208;
> as the toilet brush reminds us of what he did to Janice.
I know. Hopefully, he has been so good to Monica and the rest of the
gang since 1995, that he's got a better karma these days.
> >>> 803 TOW Rachel Tells - Ross. (Surprise, surprise..)
>
> >> For his oh-so-romantic proposal?
>
> > Yep. I've never been more furious with him.
>
> How can people say this couple are in denial? That was so callous.
I know. I hated it.
> >> Ooh yes, and then Joey would squeeze him down the garbage chute.
>
> > Unless he would dance him down the trash chute.. ;)
>
> Oh yes, yours is better than mine. :)
Thanks.
> >>> I don't think Joey is in the mood to play Ms Pacman at the moment.
>
> >> No, I guess not, he's not a happy bunny just yet.
>
> > No, I feel sorry for him..
>
> Oh, just about every "Friends" fan must be totally on Joey's side.
I think so, yes.
> > Yes, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait for 724, because that's
> > probably why I was completely fooled by the pregnancy test. However,
> > at the moment it's terrible to wait for 814 since we had a rerun
> > last Thursday.
>
> Did it do well in the ratings?
Yep, it was the most watched rerun since March 1999. In fact, it was
on top of the Nielsen ratings with more than 22.990.000 viewers.
> >>> Good thing they left this out.
>
> >> It does sound a bit weak.
>
> > Yes.
>
> But it will probably end up on the DVD, according to my source.
Really? That's great! I guess that will be released in the middle of
July, then.
And without spoiling you, I can reveal that the clip where Monica
tries to lift Chandler off his chair in this episode showed up in the
new opening credits last night.
> And Joey stamping the foot rest to make Ross shoot bolt upright,
> for a lecture on the importance of the trail, in 316.
> Oh, and 713.
I love the chairs in 713, but that's because I know how comfortable
they are.
> >> Yes, just as long as they don't forget about it in the next episode...
>
> > I doubt it. This is too big to ignore.
>
> I guess that January 31st counts as part of the February sweeps?
Yes, it sure does. And it was sweeps-material as well. 'Nuff said.
> > Me too. And judging by almost 30 million Americans, I think it's safe
> > to say that so do most of the other viewers in the USA as well.
>
> And soon the rest of the world...
Absolutely. I think we're at this season's biggest crossroads...
~Marita
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>>>>>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
>>>>> You bet! The main story in this episode was just so incredibly
>>>>> good,I couldn't believe it.. I knew it would be good from the title
>>>>> of the episode, but I don't think anybody expected it would be
>>>>> *this* good.
>>>> Det er fint at du er enig med meg!!! :)
>>> RPGOL! Svært bra, Tennant.
>> Tusen takk.
> Lol. You're getting good at your Norwegian.
Dankeschön.
Yeah, and the CCA pregnancy rumours don't help, do they?
>>> Yep. I wonder what kind of font he used (bold letters, perhaps?) when
>>> he announced that he's about to become a father again?
>> Lol, he should just think himself lucky that none of the Geller clan
>> will use his glad tidings to wrap up monkey excrement.
> LOL!!
Smil. I don't know if you saw my reply to Priya, but what
would the other family newsletters be called?
The Tribbiani Tribune? The Buffay Buffet? The Green Zine?
The Bing Times? (for some things don't change.)
>>> It seemed too far-fetched to me. I don't think there are many
>>> professors out there who would let themselves look stupid in front of
>>> the entire class like he did, when he might as well have taken off the
>>> roller blades and put on some slippers instead.
>> That's exactly what I mean by enjoying Mr.Schwimmer, not Dr.Geller.
> Okay. I still didn't like it, though. :)
Well, if it helps, I didn't like the first 99% either.
>>>> DS has to like this sort of stuff, he was the director.
>>> Yeah, I've come to that conclusion as well.
>> And my friends lapped up Ross's story - they loved all three stories.
> Oh well...
Fraid so.
And apart from one guy who is a fan, the rest are merely keen viewers.
>>> Yep, and this time around he couldn't pick up something light and
>>> carry that instead.
>> Hah, that reminds me of Ross hurting his back by carrying boxes for
>> Kristen Lang, while Too-Dumb-To-Breathe Joey examines all the labels,
>> then ignores the BOOKS box and carries the PILLOWS box.
> Lol.
Indeed, yet another example which some will doubtless dismiss as obvious.
>>> Absolutely. She didn't want to deprive Phoebe of that joy.
>> Lol, Monica is so generous that way...
> It's that little part of "Fat Monica" in her that still wants
> attention.
Yeah, but at least both Monicas now have the boy they love.
>>>> And your quote shows up a small inconsistency (but not a continuity
>>>> error) in that there *was* an engagement party according to 811.
>>> I bet Monica managed to persuade him in the end.
>> Yep. People have differing ideas, and plans change.
> Besides, it sounded like fun, well, at least until 811 came along.
Well, apart from the ice sculpture incident, maybe the party was fun,
and Pheebs probably exacted some hideous revenge upon Doug, while Joey
flirted with Monica's waitresses, and Nora was sparring with Judy.
>>> Oh, I'm sorry about that. I completely forgot that people in Europe
>>> probably haven't heard that slogan.
>>> It showed up on T-shirts, bumper stickers, roadsigns, coffeecups,
>>> buttons, walls, sweaters, necklaces (even the signs at McDonalds took
>>> down their advertisements for BigMacs, and wrote this slogan on their
>>> signs instead)... well, practically *everything* after 9/11. I don't
>>> know how many signs that had "United We Stand" written all over it in
>>> my neighbourhood last fall. It's a sign that Americans won't be beaten
>>> by the terrorists, they're united. :)
>> Gosh.
> Yes. It was a bit strange at first, but I got used to it rather
> quickly. Besides, it is rather logical when you see the Stars and
> Stripes everywhere you go.
They did it quite well on "Frasier" when he delivered a patriotic
lecture, and at that moment giant stripes (the stars were further
up the building) suddenly draped themselves over his balcony.
>>>> Yes, another one to chalk up! And Monica was last, losing yet again.
>>> Yes, and she didn't freak out because of it.
>> Indeedy.
> Just imagine a competitive Monica like the one we saw in 517 TOW
> Rachel's Inadvertent Kiss..
Eek - but I suspect that the 517 Monica suffered from an insecurity that
was layered over her normal competitiveneess.
>>> Absolutely. I thought about the outtake form 519 right away when I saw
>>> this scene.
>> Just so as long as they're keeping LK happy...
> I wonder if Julian was there when they filmed 519? :)
Probably, he was well under a year old at the time.
>>> Yes, and it was even funnier when they started discussing Citizen Kane
>>> later on.
>> Yes, they'd have had more fun watching "Clockwork Orgy"...
> Or Good Will Humping. But then again, Joey liked Good Will *Hunting*
> in 510 TOW The Inappropriate Sister, so perhaps they both enjoyed that
> movie. I know I did.
Oh for sure, but in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", Richard
joked that a man had "Clockwork Orgy" hidden between tapes of "Vertigo",
and "Citizen Kane"... :)
>>> BTW, Rachel was reading a magazine about Alex Kingston, so this was a
>>> shameless promotion for ER.. ;)
>> Who's he?
> She's the British actress (Ralph Fiennes ex-wife) who plays Dr. Corday
> on ER. :)
Oh, her... she's the one who did all the naked sex scenes on British
prime-time TV as Moll Flanders. Good job I'm not cutting your hair.
>>> We didn't see him knocking on her door or Rachel in the bathroom in
>>> the promo, we just saw him giving her the flowers.
>> Yes, I've seen that promo now. The editing was still very misleading,
>> for the video cuts just before Joey & Rachel kissed, then we see them
>> cuddling under a blanket after sex, scared what the future will bring.
> The promos are supposed to be extremely misleading, and they are. The
> promo for 814 wasn't *that* misleading, though.
Is that good or bad?
>>>>> Wasn't it sweet of him to let her order whatever she wanted, even
>>>>> though she wanted lobster *and* filet mignon?
>>>> It sure was, and note that he carefully avoided any poultry.
>>> Lol! Yes, and he didn't play with a chicken either.
>> Exactly.
>> This is why Joey isn't dumb. He may not know stuff, but he learns.
> Very true indeed.
Yep.
>>> I totally agree. And that's what I've been trying to say ever since
>>> Joey was brought into this plot. Happy, successful people are boring
>>> to watch. Now that Joey has been put on the Ross and Rachel
>>> "vippehuske,"
>> RPGOL - you got it in!
> I sure did! Lol. I'm glad you remembered it.
BOC! It's my turn now...
>>> we don't know what's going to happen because of
>>> all the tension that is building up.
>> Indeedy.
> But people still complain about it. I just don't understand why it's a
> bad thing to create more tension on the show when Aniston and LeBlanc
> are so incredible at the moment.
Yeah - what few R+R fans are left, keep wanting to make it simple...
>>> To Chandler? For numerous pizzas and months of rent? That would
>>> explain how Chandler could afford to buy dinner for 128 people in
>>> September..
>> It could indeed. But there might also be marina costs, and boring
>> stuff like the rent, bills, and taxes.
> Yeah, that could be it. BTW, we never got to see Chandler and Monica
> tying the knot at sea..
Okay Stjerne, you got me now...
>>> I agree. This scene was incredible, and they were both so comfortable
>>> around each other and friendly up until that fateful moment when she
>>> looked into his eyes..
>> And as she turned away, her soul swept through his heart...
> That's poetic....
Thankyou.
>>> And if this scene doesn't count in the "Joey isn't stupid" category, I
>>> don't know what does.
>> Oh, the doubters will just say it's all coincidence, and obvious anyway.
> Yes, I guess so. :)
Sigh.
>>> We say "forelske seg." To love is "elske," so we just add "for."
>> What modification does the "for" make?
> It's hard to explain, but "forelske seg" ("seg" is the same as the
> German "sich") means to fall in love, while "elske" means (to) love.
> That sounds weird, but I don't know how to put it any clearer.
I'm still confused, but that doesn't matter.
The thing is that it's nothing to do with an actual fall in Norwegian, ja?
>>> We do say that a person falls for somebody, though, but that's a bit
>>> different.
>> Like the way we have people falling for a joke or a trick?
> No, but if you fall for someone, you're basically just attracted to
> them. To "forelske seg" is to take it to another level.
Oh no, if you're basically just attracted then you fancy them; but if
you fall, then you can get hurt.
>>>> The poor guy. This could end really badly for him, especially if this
>>>> is the last season, and the writers are planning for six dooms...
>> What do you think of this?
> You're talking about Joey, right?
Not just Joey, all six of them could be doomed in six different ways.
> (There have been lots of snipping here. <g>)
K
> Well, if nothing works out between him and Rachel, and they end up
> being as single as they are right now in the series finale, we will at
> least have had the opportunity to see Joey in a rather dramatic role
> where he has really had the chance to show off the entire emotional
> spectrum.
Yes, I agree. And what might befall the other five?
>> 207 Rachel
>> 524 Rachel
>> 524 Ross
>> 714 Monica
>> 714 Ross
That's right, and we didn't actually see him drunk, so I'm wary of
including this, but AFAICR the 325 Joey is all that we've got.
>> Yes indeed. That's why you don't *expect* a RnR reunion, but why don't
>> you *wish*for* a RnR reunion? If instead we have 60 (or more) episodes
>> left, there would be plenty of time, so would do you wish it again?
> I don't particularly wish for a RnR reunion because I think they have
> moved on. I watched season 1 last weekend, and I couldn't help
> thinking that I was watching a different show than the one I'm
> watching on NBC these days. They have grown up, moved on, matured,
> taken different jobs, tied the knot, made a baby, got divorced... What
> is there left to do for them if they get together? I think it will end
> up as a giant anti-climax, and I'm not sure what good that would do to
> the show.
That is an extremely good point, you are so right.
> In fact, I'd rather opt for an intriguing open ending, where we're
> left with a scene that can be interpreted either way. The movies with
> open or sad endings are after all the most memorable ones, so why not
> Friends?
Hmmm... except that I like watching all the alternative endings on DVD.
>>>> What did you think of Monica on wheels, in 321?
>>> Well, I think that was a bit different. That wasn't a big part of the
>>> plot (although I guess this wasn't either), but both she and Rachel,
>>> who were the only ones really affected by the roller skates back then,
>>> had big, important stories to work on, so the roller skates weren't
>>> that important.
>> Yeah, but parenthetically you conceded that applies to Ross also.
> But Ross didn't have a big storyline like Rachel and Monica had.
> Rachel had that story with Ross which was one of the best stories they
> ever had, while Monica finally kissed Pete.
Oh, okay, fair enough. :)
>>>> Yay! If it continues for at least 2½ years, everyone associated with
>>>> the show will make a lot more money for as long as reruns are shown.
>>> As if they're not earning enough money already! j/k.
>> Yeah, but they could blow their savings, and the syndication money
>> would still keep rolling in. It's a gravy train for life.
> That's true, but I'm more pessimistic than ever these days. They just
> don't seem to *want* to do another season.
That is quite likely to be a front.
>>>> Absolutely - and even if he did, the only thing he knows about is
>>>> relationships, just like any typical man...
>>> Yep, and the only education comes from cereal boxes and the V-volume.
>> And life.
> And his friends.
Plus the books "What to Expect When You're Expecting" and "Pregnancy for
Dummies", as well as Rachel's copies of "Fit Pregnancy" magazine.
>>> And so far this relationship has been very worth the wait, even though
>>> it hasn't turned into a romantic relationship yet.
>> Well, we R+R fans had to wait longer than a couple of episodes...
> Gosh, yes, those episodes when we were hoping they would get together
> were fabulous..
When Rachel took the last step of that long long walk across the apartment,
there was a tiny gasp in the audience, from those fans who were just that
little bit quicker on the uptake....
>>> I guess we should have realised that the fact that there was no Monica
>>> to hug her this time around was rather important to Rachel's future..
>> Awww...
> Yes, she hasn't been around much for Rachel, has she?
Maybe that's to come.
>>> Yes, I thought they were pretty good in 707 and 713.
>> Me too, very good in fact, but for me they were pipped to the post.
> Yeah, well, you enjoyed Phoebe's story in 713 more than I did. :)
Blackly delicious...
>>> I have a feeling uncle Joey will be there for her, though!
>> That's the point, he won't walk away.
> Yes, Ross won't walk away either. She's lucky to have two men in her
> life that will stick by her during this, which is why she doesn't need
> a husband.
I'm not quite so sure about Ross...
>>>> Maybe old Dr.Newman was occasionally tardy, so he'd mark you up a
>>>> grade if you studied your books while patiently waiting for him.
>>> I've had some old and strict professors, and they told us to wait for
>>> 10 minutes, and if they weren't there by that time, we could just take
>>> our books and leave.
>> What about very old and sloppy professors? :)
> Nah, not really. Norway is a totally different issue, though.
Lol - oh yes?
>>>> Maybe he invested in his father's plan to sell ice over the internet.
>>> Oh, yes, what a great idea that would be! ;)
>> It's at times like this one might hope Monica takes after her mother. :)
> Oh, she'll be a great mom, I'm sure of it. :)
Me too - no doubts whatsoever.
>>> What if Susan said that she had a photo-shoot in London, while
>>> secretly planning to meet Emily there, so they end up hooking
>>> up in London?
>> Ooh, Ross would so hate that.
> I know, but there's something about London, right?
I dunno, it doesn't seem very romantic to me, it's just large & dirty.
>>> Yes, I read some of those posts at google. I didn't bother to write
>>> many replies to them, though.
>> Not many? What did you say?
> I said that I thought it was rather obvious that they would share
> custody of the kid and that it was just as logical to call the kid
> Green as Geller.
Oh, I disagree. I would say that Ross would merely have access, Rachel
would have total custody. And the baby's name will be Green, there's no
way it would be Geller, unless they suddenly remarry.
>> Yeah, he's just about to go through the door, when he does a spin,
>> and both ends of his pointer just catch on the door frame, and it
>> bends into a bow, at which point DS gives us a cheeky little grin.
>> Then the stick springs back to propel him into the room, except it
>> snaps, and a second spin makes him hit the wall by the door.
> You clearly enjoyed this scene more than I did.
Not the scene, just the doorway thing.
>>>> Monica likes playing games, but she also likes playing house.
>>>> Chandler didn't want to put one machine in the guest room, he wanted
>>>> a Game Room, complete with all the old big-big arcade games like
>>>> Space Invaders and Asteroids which they would buy for $200 a time.
>>> They should compromise and make it into a guest-game room.
>> Where did the dolls house go?
> Perhaps they keep it in the basement until little Ms G. Bing wants to
> play with it.
A valuable thing like that where any tenant could take it?
>>>> Maybe Phoebe despoiled the huge bedroom closets which we never see.
>>> With the bike? ;)
>> No, the wet paper towel bombs.
> Oh, I see.
Yeah.
>>> True, but I'm saying that perhaps Phoebe joined Greenpeace after
>>> seeing what kind of "studs" they have. ;)
>> Gosh, yes.
> That's always a tempting treat for Phoebe.
As long as they write journals as well.
>>>> They are slowly coming out with worse & worse revelations about his
>>>> childhood - I wonder if they're leading up to something...
>>> Like what?
>> Quite honestly, I don't know, it's too weird.
> No wonder he's traumatized.
Yep.
>>> We'll have to try to play it slightly faster once the DVD is released.
>> Yep, on A-B repeat.
> Yes, I love that A-B thing.
Ooh, what have you used it on?
>>>> Yep. BTW, did you notice my pregnant text picture - Rachel(baby) ? ;)
>>> Pardon?
>> I described the relationship chain as "Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona", in
>> which "Rachel(baby)" shows the baby in Rachel's womb "()".
> Oh. :)
Yep.
>>>> How did you interpret it then?
>>> I didn't really put that much into it. I just thought of it as a
>>> simple "how did you get out of the apartment without me noticing?"
>> He quietly walked out while she was dressing in her room?
> Yes, I didn't really think of it as a big deal.
Me neither.
>>>> As soon as Rachel laid eyes on her gentleman caller, she turned right
>>>> around to look into Joey's room, and then she turned back to ask
>>>> "What are you doing here? I thought you were in your room."
>>> Yes, that's true.
>> I thought it was a wonderful touch - congrats to JA & DS.
> Yeah. Keep him behind the camera until Ross loses his nickname.
That'll take some years...
>>>>>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of
>>>>>> flowers, or a barbershop quartet?
>>>>> Hah! ;)
>>>> I knew you would get it. :)
>>> Grin.
>> Most others didn't.
> So I noticed.
That's why you are my stjerne.
>>> Not to mention the fact that white lilies mean, "it's heavenly to be
>>> with you."
>> Really? In the language of flowers?
> Yes. They also mean virginity, purity and majesty.
Lol!
>>>> Well, I can see it in the long-shot: but for a close-up, look past
>>>> the back of Rachel's head as she opens the door, at just below the
>>>> peep-hole.
>>> Oh, you're right; now I see it. What on earth is that?
>> My pet theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
>> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
> Oh god... ;)
> To get back at him for 517?
Yep - gosh, you're smart - and he'd base it on Ross's place cards in 801.
>>>>> 802 TOW The Red Sweater - Monica (Awful..)
>>>> It only lasted a few seconds!
>>> It was more than enough! :(
>> But just look at how quickly & efficiently her new husband smooths
>> out her ruffled feathers, and she goes all cute & girlish on him.
> Nope, sorry, I thought she was awful.
It was badly done, that's why.
>>>>> 716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
>>>> She believed she'd been poisoned.
>>> But still..
>> And in the full version, she apologised, and Monica forgave her.
> Still not good enough, sorry.
Well, Monica loves her.
>>>>> 314 TOW Phoebe's Ex-Partner - Joey
>>>> Lol, for throwing Ginger's wooden leg on the fire?
>>> Yep. That's probably the worst thing he has ever done.
>> He was all sleepy, and thought it was a log!
> I know, which is why he hasn't done that many evil deeds.
Oh, okay then.
>>> Me too. But if he's going to be a toilet brush/dung beetle in his next
>>> life, I'm sure he'll make up for it.
>> Ah well, the dung beetle reference reminds us of the things that
>> Chandler did to wreck things for Ross, starting with 124 & 208;
>> as the toilet brush reminds us of what he did to Janice.
> I know. Hopefully, he has been so good to Monica and the rest of the
> gang since 1995, that he's got a better karma these days.
Indeedy - although Phoebe's karma ran over Frank's dogma...
>>>>> 803 TOW Rachel Tells - Ross. (Surprise, surprise..)
>>>> For his oh-so-romantic proposal?
>>> Yep. I've never been more furious with him.
>> How can people say this couple are in denial? That was so callous.
> I know. I hated it.
Me too. <shudder>
>>>> Ooh yes, and then Joey would squeeze him down the garbage chute.
>>> Unless he would dance him down the trash chute.. ;)
>> Oh yes, yours is better than mine. :)
> Thanks.
VSG
>>>>> I don't think Joey is in the mood to play Ms Pacman at the moment.
>>>> No, I guess not, he's not a happy bunny just yet.
>>> No, I feel sorry for him..
>> Oh, just about every "Friends" fan must be totally on Joey's side.
> I think so, yes.
Our hero.
>>> Yes, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait for 724, because that's
>>> probably why I was completely fooled by the pregnancy test. However,
>>> at the moment it's terrible to wait for 814 since we had a rerun
>>> last Thursday.
>> Did it do well in the ratings?
> Yep, it was the most watched rerun since March 1999. In fact, it was
> on top of the Nielsen ratings with more than 22.990.000 viewers.
Gosh.
>>>>> Good thing they left this out.
>>>> It does sound a bit weak.
>>> Yes.
>> But it will probably end up on the DVD, according to my source.
> Really? That's great! I guess that will be released in the middle of
> July, then.
Very probably.
The only release date we have so far is March 18th, for 801-808.
> And without spoiling you, I can reveal that the clip where Monica
> tries to lift Chandler off his chair in this episode showed up in the
> new opening credits last night.
After he'd gone limp? They really do like to tease the fans with cut
scenes in the titles, don't they? Let's hope S2 soon follows S1 in the
USA, so that we can at last see Chandler leaping into Joey's arms.
>> And Joey stamping the foot rest to make Ross shoot bolt upright,
>> for a lecture on the importance of the trail, in 316.
>> Oh, and 713.
> I love the chairs in 713, but that's because I know how comfortable
> they are.
Awwww... poor baby, you're missing your barcalounger, aren't you?
>>>> Yes, just as long as they don't forget about it in the next episode...
>>> I doubt it. This is too big to ignore.
>> I guess that January 31st counts as part of the February sweeps?
> Yes, it sure does. And it was sweeps-material as well. 'Nuff said.
Okay. Good.
>>> Me too. And judging by almost 30 million Americans, I think it's safe
>>> to say that so do most of the other viewers in the USA as well.
>> And soon the rest of the world...
> Absolutely. I think we're at this season's biggest crossroads...
Well sweetheart, I've got my ankles crossed for Joey & Rachel, and for
Ross & Phoebe in Season 10. If you check back, the last time I crossed
my ankles was for *you*, on November 7th, to make your tickets come...
p r i y a
> In article <52ad65db.02012...@posting.google.com>,
> nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
>
> > Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
>
>
> It sure is, with all the fuzzy warm glow of justified faith. :)
:)
> >> 812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel"
>
> >> When Dr.Geller's department head retires, he doesn't think to apply for
> >> promotion, but instead he accepts the old guy's advanced class, taking
> >> place three times per week. Awkwardly, they're held in another building
> >> across town, and Ross can't afford to keep using cabs back & forth.
>
> > I'm told that cabs are expensive in NYC.
>
> Well, I can see why he didn't borrow the Porsche (nowhere to park it),
> but what about a certain svelte blonde who runs her own cab?
Not a bad idea assuming that Phoebe's got the time to drive him
around.
>
>
> >> For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
> >> he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
> >> but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
> >> early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
>
> > I didn't initially like the story but when he got to his new class, I
> > got into it. Had me laughing here and there. Not a bad filler. I don't
> > why many find this demeaning to Ross. What other option did he have?
> > Of course, he didn't have to teach with the blades on. Maybe he should
> > have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
>
> Lol, something about doing that makes him seem like an Indian giver (BTW,
> that's as in North American Indian). The weird thing for me is that I did
> not like Ross the character teaching with his blades still on, but I just
> had to laugh at David the entertainer going boing on his stick.
What's an Indian giver?
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
> >> present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
> >> the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
> >> machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
>
> > Monica excitement isn't something I enjoy but this was good continuity
> > from 802.
>
> Oh yes, good point. We were wondering which was Phoebe's gift.
yep and once again Monica rips open a gift.
>
>
> > The fat girl joke was good too but other than that, the Bings were
> > pretty uninteresting to watch. Phoebe saved the plot, especially at
> > the end.
>
> I agree, but only by "Friends" standards. In another sitcom, for example
> recent seasons of "Frasier", something like that would be a highlight.
>
>
> >> Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
> >> the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
> >> comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
> >> he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
>
> > Hey, do you think that little Ben had more scenes or a line maybe?
>
> He might have had brief unmemorable line, but as you'll see further down
> this review, I have a rare filming report, and so I can say that there'll
> be no new Ben scenes turning up on the DVD.
Yeah, I read the filming report. So they had the kid show up and say
nothing.
>
>
> >> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his
> >> filth off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is.
> >> Phoebe takes over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she
> >> turns the air blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives,
> >> and his daddy has to cover the little boy's ears!
>
> > This was the funniest part of this story. Phoebe or rather LK's
> > performance was hilarious.
>
> Yep. If you've seen the blooper show, you'll know what LK is like.
Oh, I've seen it, which is why I said, 'Phoebe or rather LK's
> > performance was hilarious' :)
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel
> >> advises him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that
> >> she really misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in
> >> shining armour, Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a
> >> pregnant lady. That evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a
> >> knock at the door - and to her surprise it's Joey.
>
> > Yeah, Joey's the best. At the knock of the door, I got really excited
> > cos I knew it Joey - I'd seen the trailer.
>
> Ah - but I was even more excited because I had not seen the trailer.
Ofcourse
>
>
> > She was really cute and Joey was just so wow.
>
> Absolutely. Pure magic.
Yay!
>
>
> >> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
> >> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
> >> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
> >> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
> >> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay.
>
> > Hilarious! Look how comfortable they are. Like you mentioned in another
> > post, she does do that special laugh with him. I've often thought that
> > laugh was so adorable. uh haaa ha ...thats the one you're talking about
> > right?
>
> Absolutely, that's her "I can relax and enjoy your company because I know
> that you will never hurt me" laugh. If you listen carefully, but in other
> episodes not this, you can hear the special foot stamp she does. Look at
> what kind of situations prompt Rachel to do that.
I haven't noticed the footstamp and did you say 'hear the footstamp'??
>
>
> >> At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together.
> >> To keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on
> >> each other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is
> >> effective, hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst
> >> touching his hand) and he is quite affected by her.
>
> > It was so funny and exciting to watch them exchange their moves. I
> > thought that something might happen. Yep, they had me too. "And again,
> > so simple!"
>
> Absolutely. This was a very clever scene. The writers had to do something
> about audience prejudice that Joey is nothing but a player, by showing
> that she has moves too, and she's better at it than he is. Then on top
> of that, it started with him having to drop his act, because with her
> sitting next to him he could only be sincere.
ITA!
> >> Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
> >> would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
> >> moan - but as she turns aside she doesn't notice the devastating effect
> >> that she has just had on him...
>
> > You'd think that she would notice the flustered look on his face but
> > of course she doesn't.
>
> You might, but to Rachel she was merely demonstrating, she wasn't trying
> to seduce him, so she wasn't looking out for a response. And of course
> if she had seen his face, that would shortcut about 6 episodes of plot.
Yes but she might have noticed and figured that her move really works.
Just like in the restaurant. But what was done was better.
>
>
> > I was just too happy to see that he has realised that there's something
> > there :)
>
> Yep, and it established that he was being genuine all through.
Yes.
>
>
> >> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same
> >> restaurant, Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd
> >> recommended to her. But although his companion is quite attractive, all
> >> Joey can think about is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all
> >> other women, he breaks off the date, and goes home early.
>
> > Man was his date a dumb woman.
>
> I know!
>
> I just hope that fans who think Joey is dumb could see the difference.
:)
>
>
> > I thought that when Joey mentioned 'looking at someone differently, she
> > would understand
>
> Instead of going to the wrong rest room? ;)
Lol
>
>
> > and advice him to go back to his lovely room mate. In the end, he did
> > just that anyway :)
>
> Yep. Compare this...
>
> RACHEL: Why are you home so early? What happened to your date?
> JOEY: Oh, it didn't work out.
>
> ..with this...
>
> ROSS: Hello, how was the date?
> RACHEL: Well I'm alone and I just bought fifteen dollars worth
> of candy bars, what do you think?
>
> ..for both the 812 Joey and the 805 Rachel were the dumpers, not the
> dumpees, and yet it was Rachel not Joey who needed comfort food; and
> the 812 Rachel needed him, while the 805 Ross found Mona again.
Ah, so he's her comfort food now :)
>
>
> >> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
> >> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel insists he cuddles up on
> >> the La-Z-Boy with her for protection. When she screams, and buries her
> >> face in his chest, she asks him why he's not scared; to which he replies
> >> that he's terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see
> >> it's not the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing her...
>
> > Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB was
> > brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>
> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
> >> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
> >> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
>
> > As long as he did his job as wonderfully as he has, I didn't mind the
> > small filler. Earlier in 802, I enjoyed all his scenes...er..except
> > the tread stealing bit.
>
> Oh yes - he was much better with his pretend speech.
yes, that was a funny scene.
>
>
> >> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
> >> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
> >> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
> >> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
>
> > Terribly exciting isn't it?
>
> I knowww!!! How is she gonna react when she finds out??????
Lets hope she finds out soon.
>
>
> >> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
> >> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
> >> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
>
> > Yep and we thought that the Pitts had amazing chemistry. Well, move over
> > and take a back seat.
>
> Haha - you're so right, sweetie! :)
Ta!
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was
> >> only to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just
> >> a pretty face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New
> >> Girlfriend".
>
> > Please refresh my memory? What advice did she get?
>
> He didn't say anything particularly mind-blowing, a lot of his help was
> simply being a good listener - but that is a rare quality in men, and yet
> people will keep accusing Joey of being dumb, shallow, and insensitive.
>
<snip quote>
He's always been great at giving relationship advice for a guy who's
never been in one. I'd say that requires a certain amount of smarts.
> >> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
> >> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the
> >> fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>
> > When they kissed on New Years Eve?
>
> Yep. In 70 seconds, he manipulated all of his friends so that he got to
> kiss Rachel at midnight (four years earlier he was stuck with Chandler).
LOL maybe thats why he was so quick to help them out. But I can't
accept that scene as a J&R foreshadowing scene but you can put that up
to show his quick thinking.
>
>
> >> In 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even
> >> though all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits
> >> Joey", it was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey
> >> realised how his life was empty without someone to share it with, and
> >> he chose Rachel.
>
> > Oops I spoke too soon earlier.
>
> Grin.
>
>
> > 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
>
> Exactly.
Now, this scene is worthy of having some foreshadowing attached to it.
A lot like the C&M scenes in late S3 & early S4. He offers a
relationship and she turns him down.
>
>
> >> Nothing came of that, but in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the
> >> producers tested the waters with a Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was
> >> turned on by his fame as a soap star, and within a few episodes the
> >> 'real' Joey was put back in a television career - while Rachel moved
> >> into his apartment, where she suddenly found new a liberation thanks to
> >> his easy going lifestyle.
>
> > Many J&R fans love this episode. The chemistry was great then too :)
>
> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
I read the other responses to your comments on this. I gotta say, 4
days away from ATF, I had a whole bunch of msgs to catch up on. My DSL
line conked out and it took 2 days for us to figure out that it our
computer wasn't at fault. :)
>
>
> >> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together,
> >> even while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most
> >> significant since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories
> >> included 702 "TOW Rachel's Book, where he teased her until she came on
> >> too strong for him; 703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her
> >> more about happiness than she did about sailing; 713 "TOW Rosita Die"
> >> where they ganged up against Chandler, and whispered secrets in each
> >> other's ears; and 718 TOW Joey's Award", where we saw how much his show
> >> business career turns her on.
>
> > What about 711, where she asks him not to get married before her?
> > Foreshadowing?
>
<snip foreshadowing egs.>
> > With 805, the show started heading down a new and exciting path. But
> > what was in 807? I knew it was big but I can't remember what? <Priya
> > goes off to check 807 transcript; finds a steamy fanfic instead; halfway
> > thru realises that this post isn't finished; comes back> crap, I still
> > don't know what was in 807. <goes off again> OMG I can't believe I
> > forgot *that*. <smacks self on head> :(
>
> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug that
> Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't there.
Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>
> > I dunno. I can check though. Nishad used a website to lookup routes when
> > he was in NY. <checks>uh oh. Too confusing!
>
> Which website does he use?
mapquest.com Its pretty good. Gives the driving directions and the
distance between destinations.
>
>
> >> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
>
> > He was probably too busy bragging about his new class in the Geller
> > Yeller to find out beforehand where the class was.
>
> Hah, one wonders how large the circulation of the Yeller is.
>
> What would the other family newsletters be called?
>
> The Tribbiani Tribune? The Buffay Buffet? The Green Zine?
>
> The Bing Times? (for some things don't change.)
<grin>
>
>
> >> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>
> >> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
>
> > The mother-to-be is financially very stable and even otherwise, a
> > certain soap star would be more than willing to help :)
>
> Oh I know, that's the point - Ross is out of the equation.
Financially. He can't be totally out of the equation unless he marries
Mona and moves out of the city or something.
>
>
> >> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
> >> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
> >> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
>
> > I wondered just how many times they had to shoot this scene.
>
> There was quite a lot of classroom stuff that was cut out.
Oh good. :)
>
>
> >> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
> >> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
> >> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
>
> > Wasn't it sweet of Phoebe to remember and get him that. Maybe she felt
> > sorry for him after the 802 disaster.
>
> Phoebe is so much nicer than she pretends to be.
She's more than just a hard-ass!
>
>
> >> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when
> >> she was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious
> >> answer is that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but could it not be
> >> that it's the S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball
> >> at the guys' apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for
> >> being too good.
>
> > I don't think we can call it a continuity error. There have been many
> > good explanations from others on this scene. here's mine.
>
> > Monica was probably more into the idea of playing hostess than playing
> > Ms.Chandler in 603. :) I mean, she's got a spare room, she'd want try
> > out something that she really loves to do.
>
> That's a good point, sweetie. Her priorities are different.
Yep.
>
>
> >> Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
> >> happy there? Did she trash the place with wet paper towel bombs?
>
> > Maybe Monica got tired of Hotel Monica when she found that her friends
> > weren't too appreciate of her *extreme* hospitality. As for trashing the
> > place with paper towel bombs...it was too icky for Phoebe, how can you
> > even imagin Monica doing that?
>
> Well, she'd have all the fun of cleaning it up... ;)
>
> But seriously (since Monica doesn't like to clean, the fat girl makes
> her do it) my best guess is that Phoebe used the bowl as a threat.
ok
>
>
> >> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
>
> > Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
> > just for that day.
>
> Monica seems to like things clean, she's no minimalist. Look at her place.
I knowwww! How does do move around with knocking stuff over?
>
>
> >> When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she
> >> was not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing
> >> Joey& Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she
> >> yells out "Score!", and then points accusingly at Chandler to declare
> >> "You suck!"
>
> > I found Chandler's "you suck" funny. He didn't get to say many stuff
> > that was funny.
>
> Yeah, he was even doing the "pull my finger" thing again.
I never got the "pull my finger" thing. Whats that all about?
>
>
> >> Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
> >> as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
>
> > Phoebe knows all the tricks ;)
>
> Lol, but not all the chords!
hehe
>
>
> >> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
> >> her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
>
> > Judging from 806, Chandler would agree that Mon was strong enough to
> > carry Phoebe but Joey would say, "I'd have to give the edge to Phoebe" :)
>
> Okay, but here we saw that Monica is not as strong as she claims.
okay you win.
>
>
> >> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>
> > We should only wonder when he is actually shown at work LOL Perhaps
> > Doug gave him some time off to get over his divorce! :)
>
> Ooohh!!! What a clever point! Yes!!
Clever for you but thats just average for me ;)
>
>
> >> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
> >> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
> >> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
>
> > Sounds about right :)
>
> Yep!
>
>
> >> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>
> > PPB, RPG, PHE
>
> Ah. Please explain.
Phoebe Phoebe Buffay (even though I don't accept that is her name)
Regina PhilanGe
PheeHE (after her bday cake)
>> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona
story
> >> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
> >> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
> >> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
>
> > Exactly. Noone's expecting any big stories for the Bings but Phoebe?
> > Surely they don't expect LK to sign for another season if they keep
> > giving her such miniscule parts.
>
> I don't see why they can't give her some meaty Ursula stories.
Well, they need to give her something. In 803, I really didn't like
stupid story that MLB and LK had been given. Atleast MLBs got a good
deal going.
>
>
> >> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
> >> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
> >> Roomie was there?
>
> > I thought it was cute. I was smiling ear to ear. Rachel was cute and
> > Joey was just so wow.
>
> Absolutely. Sigh... :)
>
> We all thought that the baby story would make JA the star of the show,
> and yes, she has been very very good - but look out, here comes MLB...
I just said that :)
>
>
> >> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of flowers,
> >> or a barbershop quartet?
>
> > I don't think that you are being very fair to Ross here. He's given a
> > lot of meaningful/romantic gifts. Are you forgetting the brooch he got
> > her in 124.
>
> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
>
>
> >> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> >> front door?
>
> > A question only the prop team can answer :)
>
> Well, my theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
A trick on Ross so he won't bother him with Rachel? Even so, all Ross
has to do is turn around and see flat no. 20.
> >> From all six, who would you punch?
>
> > Monica! when she gets too loud for my sensitive ears :P
>
> Awww... some of my favourite Monica bits are when she's loud, such
> as her anguished scream from the shower in 320 "TOW the Dollhouse".
Maybe the guys who made Scream came to CCA because of this. :)
Glad you like her scream, I'm just scrambling for the mute button.
>
>
> >> Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
>
> > I KNOWWW! and Joey agrees!!. I wasn't too happy on hearing that. Poor
> > Chandler! If Phoebe had said it, then it would not be so odd.
>
> Chandler must be pissing them off in some way...
hmmm..
>
>
> >> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
> >> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
> >> Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>
> > It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ Boyz
> > 3000 (did I get that right?)
>
> That's a good point, sweetie. The chair is a La-Z-Boy E-cliner 3000.
Yep. Rachel was so cute when she bragged about it to Chandler.
>
>
> >> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
> >> (she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
> >> Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
> >> & child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
> >> and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
> >> favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
>
> > Have you seen this movie? I haven't.
>
> Nope.
Neither have I.
>
>
> > So I looked it up on imdb.
>
> Me too. It's most convenient to have your own copy.
of Imdb? Are you talking about having an offline copy or do you
subscribe to them? Their rates are ridiculous.
>
>
> > Anything I hear about on the show, I have to check it out. I keep
> > telling myself that its not very obsessive. They are many others on the
> > ng that would do the same but then again its after I subscribed to ATF,
> > that I'm into all the tiny details of the show :)
>
> Exactly. You're amongst friends now, so don't worry sweetie. :)
Just wish my friends would watch the show. The ones that do watch it,
don't like it enough to want to talk about it. I can't imagine what
its like for you at your place being the only friends fan and all.
>
>
> >> Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
> >> the video to Chandler afterwards?
>
> > What? Am I forgetting something from this episode as well???
>
> Chandler would like an anti-dog movie.
>
> Have you seen "Cats & Dogs"? It's so anti-cat that it's horroble, and
> even the dogs don't do all that well either. However, the hero dog is a
> nice little animal, just the sort of dog I complained Clunkers was not.
Nope I haven't seen it. Are you a cat-lover? I so don't like cats. I
didn't like clunkers either.
>
>
> >> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>
> > Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
>
> He might need something to take his mind off his troubles.
A while back, Rachel might have played with him. Remember the drums?
>
>
> >> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
> >> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
>
> > Absolutely. Just look at the ratings 813 got.
>
> Yes, they were huge, weren't they! :)
Over 30 million.
>
>
> >> ---o0o---
>
> >> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
> >> C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying about
> >> four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then
> >> Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so
> >> Chandler replies that was what they went to the store for in the first
> >> place.
>
> > I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812.
>
> That's because there wasn't one generally available. What you are
> getting here from me is virtually exclusive information, known to
> only a few people before I published it.
How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
source :)
>
>
> > Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>
> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
ITC, TYVM! :)
>
>
> > Anway, if they had kept the above scene, we might have lost precious
> > minutes from the main story. Frankly, I don't think I would complain if
> > all they showed was the "Joey/Rachel" story. :)
>
> Yep.
>
> All the time they were off the screen, I was waiting for them to return.
Me too!
>
>
> >> After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to Chandler to help her get
> >> Phoebe off the machine, but he refuses; so she goes over to his chair
> >> to push him out of it, and he goes limp also - it was pretty funny.
>
> > It sound funny. Maybe these scenes will make the DVD, else our TWWWS
> > list :)
>
> I'm informed that all these scenes should make the DVD, just hope that
> there isn't another cock-up, like some of the S7 'extended' episodes.
Why? Didn't all the extended episodes make it to DVD?
>
>
> >> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
> >> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
> >> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
>
> > Computer talk turns Monica on? Maybe Chandler's been showing her porn
> > on his computer. :)
>
> Errr, sweetie - I think we need to hear Monica's tone of voice...
Was she sarcastic? Can't remember now.
>
>
> >> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
> >> with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
> >> say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
> >> of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
> >> something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
>
> > oooh thats sounds really funny. They could have kept this.
>
> Yep, and cut back on the Ross story. Don't forget that the decision of
> what went in & what didn't was up to Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.
Editors!
>
>
> >> Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was a lot longer, probably the
> >> tag with the roller blades - but mercifully, that was cut short.
>
> > yeah, the blades were getting annoying.
>
> I actually like that little bit as he went through the door - but in of
> itself, not as apart of the story. OTOH, my friends roared with laughter
> at all of Ross's scenes, and the Pacman stuff, so there you go.
Nishad liked Ross's scenes too. Before 812, he thought that a R&J plot
would be sick but he really enjoyed the story. :)
>
> > I noticed that you review is much longer than your usual style of
> > three paras per story. I understandly completely, it would be too
> > difficult or unfair to sum up 'The Story' in just three paras :)
>
> Well spotted. You'll notice that the better a story is, the more
> details it has that I want to talk about. However, you'll see a
> more complex structure in my review of 813, which is due to the
> way the narratives intersect in way I hoped to preserve.
I noticed 813 is always longer than your older reviews. So is this
your new style?
>
>
> > Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
>
> Okay! Is that the steamy fanfic?
It wasn't very good although she's usually very good. There's only one
person who writes them on ff.net and she's got quite a following
there. Its not just smut. The plot and the humour is really funny and
contrived. And they're all C&M fics!
Priya
Tennant Stuart
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> news:<na.26862b4b00...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>> I'm told that cabs are expensive in NYC.
>> Well, I can see why he didn't borrow the Porsche (nowhere to park it),
>> but what about a certain svelte blonde who runs her own cab?
> Not a bad idea assuming that Phoebe's got the time to drive him
> around.
Well, she doesn't have a 9-5 job, does she?
>>> Maybe Ross should have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
>> Lol, something about doing that makes him seem like an Indian giver.
> What's an Indian giver?
Someone who having given, still regards the gift as their property, and
tries to control its use, or even ask for it back. The worst sort even
give gifts for themselves, such as Marge Simpson's bowling ball.
>> Good point. We were wondering which was Phoebe's gift.
> yep and once again Monica rips open a gift.
Indeedy, but she knew where it came from.
>> He might have had brief unmemorable line, but as you'll see further
>> down this review, I have a rare filming report, and so I can say that
>> there'll be no new Ben scenes turning up on the DVD.
> Yeah, I read the filming report. So they had the kid show up and say
> nothing.
So it seems.
>>> This was the funniest part of this story. Phoebe or rather LK's
>>> performance was hilarious.
>> Yep. If you've seen the blooper show, you'll know what LK is like.
> Oh, I've seen it, which is why I said, 'Phoebe or rather LK's
> performance was hilarious' :)
Yep.
>> If you listen carefully, but in other episodes not this, you can hear
>> the special foot stamp she does. Look at what kind of situations prompt
>> Rachel to do that.
> I haven't noticed the footstamp and did you say 'hear the footstamp'??
That's right. Keep an ear open.
>> Absolutely. This was a very clever scene. The writers had to do
>> something about audience prejudice that Joey is nothing but a player,
>> by showing that she has moves too, and she's better at it than he is.
>> Then on top of that, it started with him having to drop his act,
>> because with her sitting next to him he could only be sincere.
> ITA!
Yep.
>>> You'd think that she would notice the flustered look on his face but
>>> of course she doesn't.
>> You might, but to Rachel she was merely demonstrating, she wasn't trying
>> to seduce him, so she wasn't looking out for a response. And of course
>> if she had seen his face, that would shortcut about 6 episodes of plot.
> Yes but she might have noticed and figured that her move really works.
> Just like in the restaurant. But what was done was better.
Absolutely.
>> Yep. Compare this...
>> RACHEL: Why are you home so early? What happened to your date?
>> JOEY: Oh, it didn't work out.
>> ..with this...
>> ROSS: Hello, how was the date?
>> RACHEL: Well I'm alone and I just bought fifteen dollars worth
>> of candy bars, what do you think?
>> ..for both the 812 Joey and the 805 Rachel were the dumpers, not the
>> dumpees, and yet it was Rachel not Joey who needed comfort food; and
>> the 812 Rachel needed him, while the 805 Ross found Mona again.
> Ah, so he's her comfort food now :)
Awww... let's hope so. :)
>>> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB was
>>> brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
> Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
I wouldn't, I just wanted to tell you how I felt.
>>> Terribly exciting isn't it?
>> I knowww!!! How is she gonna react when she finds out??????
> Lets hope she finds out soon.
Or let's hope she finds out in Season 16.
>>>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their
>>>> scenes together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that
>>>> they were on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in
>>>> the series.
>>> Yep and we thought that the Pitts had amazing chemistry. Well, move
>>> over and take a back seat.
>> Haha - you're so right, sweetie! :)
> Ta!
:)
> He's always been great at giving relationship advice for a guy who's
> never been in one. I'd say that requires a certain amount of smarts.
Absolutely.
>>>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
>>>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until
>>>> the fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>>> When they kissed on New Years Eve?
>> Yep. In 70 seconds, he manipulated all of his friends so that he got to
>> kiss Rachel at midnight (four years earlier he was stuck with Chandler).
> LOL maybe thats why he was so quick to help them out. But I can't
> accept that scene as a J&R foreshadowing scene but you can put that up
> to show his quick thinking.
Well, it may not have been foreshadowing, but the only girl Joey couldn't
kiss was Monica. It was up to him which of the other two he kissed.
>>> 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
>> Exactly.
> Now, this scene is worthy of having some foreshadowing attached to it.
> A lot like the C&M scenes in late S3 & early S4. He offers a
> relationship and she turns him down.
Yep. Joey promised to treat her real nice, and pulled out a chair for
her - but she pushed the chair back in. These days Rachel sits down.
>> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
>> up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
> But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
> when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
I'm not blaming Ross for anything, it's just that a woman can get
drunk in Joey's company, and not be taken advantage of.
After Rachel drank wine with Ross, she had to switch to apple juice.
> I read the other responses to your comments on this. I gotta say, 4
> days away from ATF, I had a whole bunch of msgs to catch up on. My DSL
> line conked out and it took 2 days for us to figure out that it our
> computer wasn't at fault. :)
Eek.
>> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug that
>> Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't there.
> Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
<ears fingers="IN"> Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! </ears>
>>>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
>>> I dunno. I can check though. Nishad used a website to lookup routes
>>> when he was in NY. <checks>uh oh. Too confusing!
>> Which website does he use?
> mapquest.com Its pretty good. Gives the driving directions and the
> distance between destinations.
Oh, I'll try that. Ta.
>>>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>>>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
>>> The mother-to-be is financially very stable and even otherwise, a
>>> certain soap star would be more than willing to help :)
>> Oh I know, that's the point - Ross is out of the equation.
> Financially. He can't be totally out of the equation unless he marries
> Mona and moves out of the city or something.
I was talking about financially.
>>>> Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
>>>> give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
>>>> Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
>>> Wasn't it sweet of Phoebe to remember and get him that. Maybe she felt
>>> sorry for him after the 802 disaster.
>> Phoebe is so much nicer than she pretends to be.
> She's more than just a hard-ass!
Indeedy.
>>>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
>>> Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
>>> just for that day.
>> Monica seems to like things clean, she's no minimalist. Look at her place.
> I knowwww! How does do move around with knocking stuff over?
I dunno. Maybe it's because it's a big apartment, with wide passageways...
>>> I found Chandler's "you suck" funny. He didn't get to say many stuff
>>> that was funny.
>> Yeah, he was even doing the "pull my finger" thing again.
> I never got the "pull my finger" thing. Whats that all about?
The idea is that you pull his finger, so he farts.
>>>> And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can
>>>> carry her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
>>> Judging from 806, Chandler would agree that Mon was strong enough to
>>> carry Phoebe but Joey would say, "I'd have to give the edge to Phoebe"
> :)
>> Okay, but here we saw that Monica is not as strong as she claims.
> okay you win.
Ta, sweetie! :)
>>>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>>> We should only wonder when he is actually shown at work LOL Perhaps
>>> Doug gave him some time off to get over his divorce! :)
>> Ooohh!!! What a clever point! Yes!!
> Clever for you but thats just average for me ;)
Absolutely.
>>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>>> PPB, RPG, PHE
>> Ah. Please explain.
> Phoebe Phoebe Buffay (even though I don't accept that is her name)
> Regina PhilanGe
> PheeHE (after her bday cake)
Oh, very clever. :)
>> I don't see why they can't give her some meaty Ursula stories.
> Well, they need to give her something. In 803, I really didn't like
> stupid story that MLB and LK had been given. At least MLBs got a good
> deal going.
That's right. And we don't have to see her with Phoebe.
>>>> Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the
>>>> doorpost, so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the
>>>> Roomie was there?
>>> I thought it was cute. I was smiling ear to ear. Rachel was cute and
>>> Joey was just so wow.
>> Absolutely. Sigh... :)
>> We all thought that the baby story would make JA the star of the show,
>> and yes, she has been very very good - but look out, here comes MLB...
> I just said that :)
Well done.
>> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
> Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
DFY
>>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
>>>> front door?
>>> A question only the prop team can answer :)
>> Well, my theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
>> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
> A trick on Ross so he won't bother him with Rachel? Even so, all Ross
> has to do is turn around and see flat no. 20.
No, the idea is to exact revenge for what happened in 517 "TOW Rachel's
Inadvertent Kiss", by teasing Ross with his error of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
>>>> From all six, who would you punch?
>>> Monica! when she gets too loud for my sensitive ears :P
>> Awww... some of my favourite Monica bits are when she's loud, such
>> as her anguished scream from the shower in 320 "TOW the Dollhouse".
> Maybe the guys who made Scream came to CCA because of this. :)
Lol, could be.
> Glad you like her scream, I'm just scrambling for the mute button.
Oh well...
>>>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed
>>>> Chandler & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop",
>>>> which prompted Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>>> It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ Boyz
>>> 3000 (did I get that right?)
>> That's a good point, sweetie. The chair is a La-Z-Boy E-cliner 3000.
> Yep. Rachel was so cute when she bragged about it to Chandler.
Absolutely. Did you notice how the whole scene was played up against one
side of the set, as thought the rest was filled in with something else?
>>> So I looked it up on imdb.
>> Me too. It's most convenient to have your own copy.
> of Imdb? Are you talking about having an offline copy or do you
> subscribe to them? Their rates are ridiculous.
An offline copy, which is freely available.
>>> Anything I hear about on the show, I have to check it out. I keep
>>> telling myself that its not very obsessive. They are many others on
>>> the ng that would do the same but then again its after I subscribed to
>>> ATF, that I'm into all the tiny details of the show :)
>> Exactly. You're amongst friends now, so don't worry sweetie. :)
> Just wish my friends would watch the show. The ones that do watch it,
> don't like it enough to want to talk about it. I can't imagine what
> its like for you at your place being the only friends fan and all.
I'm the only one in the family who likes it, but when the series was
taken over by a subscription channel from Season 4 onwards, many fans
could not receive it, so we all started getting together.
>> Have you seen "Cats & Dogs"? It's so anti-cat that it's horrible, and
>> even the dogs don't do all that well either. However, the hero dog is a
>> nice little animal, just the sort of dog I complained Clunkers was not.
> Nope I haven't seen it. Are you a cat-lover? I so don't like cats. I
> didn't like clunkers either.
I wouldn't describe myself as a cat-lover (they're a bit strange) but I
do prefer cats to dogs. OTOH, I quite like dogs in principle, but most
dog-owners make their dogs into a horrible nuisance.
I didn't like Clunkers because she was so cutesified, like a Muppet.
>>>> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>>> Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
>> He might need something to take his mind off his troubles.
> A while back, Rachel might have played with him. Remember the drums?
Oh yes, they would all play, except Ross.
>>>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>>>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
>>> Absolutely. Just look at the ratings 813 got.
>> Yes, they were huge, weren't they! :)
> Over 30 million.
Yay!
>>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
>>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying
>>>> about four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they
>>>> bought, then Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They
>>>> can't find any, so Chandler replies that was what they went to the
>>>> store for in the first place.
>>> I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812.
>> That's because there wasn't one generally available. What you are
>> getting here from me is virtually exclusive information, known to
>> only a few people before I published it.
> How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
> source :)
Grin.
>>> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
> ITC, TYVM! :)
URLCM
>> I'm informed that all these scenes should make the DVD, just hope that
>> there isn't another cock-up, like some of the S7 'extended' episodes.
> Why? Didn't all the extended episodes make it to DVD?
We know from filming reports that some lovely scenes did not make it
into the extended version. The most notorious example is Ross & Phoebe
duetting on bagpipes & guitar in Central Perk, that should have been
the tag of 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain". Everybody with a "Friends" 2002
calendar should have a picture of this scene up on the wall right now.
>>>> Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
>>>> machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
>>>> terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
>>> Computer talk turns Monica on? Maybe Chandler's been showing her porn
>>> on his computer. :)
>> Errr, sweetie - I think we need to hear Monica's tone of voice...
> Was she sarcastic? Can't remember now.
You haven't heard her yet, unless you went to the filming.
>>>> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally
>>>> started with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it
>>>> for Joey to say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He
>>>> sees the price of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking
>>>> waitress, and says something about the fans not usually caring quite
>>>> *that* much.
>>> oooh thats sounds really funny. They could have kept this.
>> Yep, and cut back on the Ross story. Don't forget that the decision of
>> what went in & what didn't was up to Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.
> Editors!
Well, the editors do the work, but the creators & that episode's director
actually decide what is in & what is out.
>> I actually like that little bit as he went through the door - but in of
>> itself, not as apart of the story. OTOH, my friends roared with laughter
>> at all of Ross's scenes, and the Pacman stuff, so there you go.
> Nishad liked Ross's scenes too. Before 812, he thought that a R&J plot
> would be sick but he really enjoyed the story. :)
That's great. If BKC/WB/NBC are getting this feedback, then the course
of six fictional people's lives could be changing as we speak.
>>> I noticed that you review is much longer than your usual style of
>>> three paras per story. I understandly completely, it would be too
>>> difficult or unfair to sum up 'The Story' in just three paras :)
>> Well spotted. You'll notice that the better a story is, the more
>> details it has that I want to talk about. However, you'll see a
>> more complex structure in my review of 813, which is due to the
>> way the narratives intersect in way I hoped to preserve.
> I noticed 813 is always longer than your older reviews. So is this
> your new style?
It isn't a new style, it's just a more complex one that I use when
the narrative stricture demands it. And the narrative section in 813
is not long at all, in fact it is the 15th shortest out of 60. The
narrative in my review of 614 is almost twice as long as 813's is.
You can have the stats if you like.
>>> Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
>> Okay! Is that the steamy fanfic?
> It wasn't very good although she's usually very good. There's only one
> person who writes them on ff.net and she's got quite a following
> there. Its not just smut. The plot and the humour is really funny and
> contrived. And they're all C&M fics!
Does she put herself into the stories?
Dennis
Grrr. Like i have said before, Joey's only choice was Rachel since he had to
put Ross with Phoebe since R&R had all the history together. Joey did not
pick Rachel to and this is in no way any kind of foreshadowing. Nomatter how
that scene is twisted to fit anyone's interpretation nobody can draw a
conclusion that Joey wanted to kiss Rachel.
> >>> 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
>
> >> Exactly.
>
> > Now, this scene is worthy of having some foreshadowing attached to it.
> > A lot like the C&M scenes in late S3 & early S4. He offers a
> > relationship and she turns him down.
>
> Yep. Joey promised to treat her real nice, and pulled out a chair for
> her - but she pushed the chair back in. These days Rachel sits down.
>
>
> >> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> >> up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
>
> > But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
> > when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
>
> I'm not blaming Ross for anything, it's just that a woman can get
> drunk in Joey's company, and not be taken advantage of.
>
> After Rachel drank wine with Ross, she had to switch to apple juice.
What Tennant is saying is that Rachel was taken advantage of by Ross. Yea
right...He is not blaming Ross for anything he says but he is simply blaming
every single male (which includes Ross) except Joey. So how can he say that
he is not blaming Ross? Tennant likes making Joey look good and Ross look
like crap.
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.2e3ef44b02...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>> That might be true. If some of them desperately want to quit the show,
>>> and the majority wins and they do continue for another season, this is
>>> probably the best solution. When Jay Leno asked Matt LeBlanc the
>>> inevitable question on Wednesday, he said that they were democratic,
>>> so if most of them wanted to continue, they would. I have a feeling he
>>> really wants to do another season, but I'm not too sure about the
>>> others.
>> Yeah, and the CCA pregnancy rumours don't help, do they?
> Not at all. If there's anything that prevents a season 9 from
> happening, it's the actors' wishes to start families and settle down.
Yeah.
>> Smil. I don't know if you saw my reply to Priya, but what
>> would the other family newsletters be called?
>> The Tribbiani Tribune? The Buffay Buffet? The Green Zine?
> LOL!! Brilliant. I especially liked the first one.
Thanks.
>> The Bing Times? (for some things don't change.)
> The Bing Webring?
Lol, that would be full of porn...
>>>> And my friends lapped up Ross's story - they loved all three stories.
>>> Oh well...
>> Fraid so.
>> And apart from one guy who is a fan, the rest are merely keen viewers.
> We just rolled our eyes.
Hehe.
>>>> Hah, that reminds me of Ross hurting his back by carrying boxes for
>>>> Kristen Lang, while Too-Dumb-To-Breathe Joey examines all the labels,
>>>> then ignores the BOOKS box and carries the PILLOWS box.
>>> Lol.
>> Indeed, yet another example which some will doubtless dismiss as
> obvious.
> I couldn't understand why Ross insisted on holding that box while he
> was talking to her. It's fine that he wanted to look strong in front
> of her, but it's more logical to put down something that heavy while
> you're talking to other people.
Yeah, he supposed that she's thinking "he's strong", but all the while
she's really thinking "he's stupid".
>>> It's that little part of "Fat Monica" in her that still wants
>>> attention.
>> Yeah, but at least both Monicas now have the boy they love.
> Yes, she's really lucky that way. :)
It's the symmetry of fate, since the boy originally caused the split.
>> Well, apart from the ice sculpture incident, maybe the party was fun,
>> and Pheebs probably exacted some hideous revenge upon Doug, while Joey
>> flirted with Monica's waitresses, and Nora was sparring with Judy.
> Gosh, I wish we could have seen the latter, even though Nora strikes
> me as rather easy-going with other *women*.
Ah, but just wait until Nora sees Judy sink her claws into Monica.
>>> Yes. It was a bit strange at first, but I got used to it rather
>>> quickly. Besides, it is rather logical when you see the Stars and
>>> Stripes everywhere you go.
>> They did it quite well on "Frasier" when he delivered a patriotic
>> lecture, and at that moment giant stripes (the stars were further
>> up the building) suddenly draped themselves over his balcony.
> I actually saw that episode. I was rather surprised they dared to do
> something that "controversial" (in a way) on TV.
Yep.
>>> Just imagine a competitive Monica like the one we saw in 517 TOW
>>> Rachel's Inadvertent Kiss..
>> Eek - but I suspect that the 517 Monica suffered from an insecurity that
>> was layered over her normal competitiveness.
> About Chandler?
Absolutely.
>>>>> Absolutely. I thought about the outtake form 519 right away when I
>>>>> saw this scene.
>>>> Just so as long as they're keeping LK happy...
>>> I wonder if Julian was there when they filmed 519? :)
>> Probably, he was well under a year old at the time.
> Yes, she seems to know how to speak Gutter. ;)
She sure does!
>> In 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", Richard joked that a
>> man had "Clockwork Orgy" hidden between tapes of "Vertigo", and
>> "Citizen Kane"... :)
> Oh, that's right! Richard was rather funny back then, even though he
> was ugly without the moustache.
That's right. His best scenes however have been sparring with Chandler,
especially in 216 "TOW Joey Moves Out" (when both had moustaches).
>>>>> BTW, Rachel was reading a magazine about Alex Kingston, so this was a
>>>>> shameless promotion for ER.. ;)
>>>> Who's he?
>>> She's the British actress (Ralph Fiennes ex-wife) who plays Dr. Corday
>>> on ER. :)
>> Oh, her... she's the one who did all the naked sex scenes on British
>> prime-time TV as Moll Flanders. Good job I'm not cutting your hair.
> Lol! I guess she's the TV equivalent to Kate Winslet then.
Lol - she was amazing in "Quills".
> And I'm too much of a wuss to let *any* of my friends touch my hair. I
> did that once, and that was such a catastrophe I swore I'd never do it
> again.
What happened?
>>> The promos are supposed to be extremely misleading, and they are. The
>>> promo for 814 wasn't *that* misleading, though.
>> Is that good or bad?
> Good in that it was enticing and really made you want to see the
> episode; bad in that it revealed too much of the main plot.
Oops.
> The promo for 815, OTOH, is a promo for all of the three sitcoms on
> Thursday night, so it doesn't really show much from Friends.
Ah.
>>>>> I totally agree. And that's what I've been trying to say ever since
>>>>> Joey was brought into this plot. Happy, successful people are boring
>>>>> to watch. Now that Joey has been put on the Ross and Rachel
>>>>> "vippehuske,"
>>>> RPGOL - you got it in!
>>> I sure did! Lol. I'm glad you remembered it.
>> BOC! It's my turn now...
> Grin. Good for you. I don't think many people outside my country
> understand that word.
Awww...
>>> But people still complain about it. I just don't understand why it's a
>>> bad thing to create more tension on the show when Aniston and LeBlanc
>>> are so incredible at the moment.
>> Yeah - what few R+R fans are left, keep wanting to make it simple...
> Fortunately (for us), I don't think the writers will choose the easy
> alternative and make R+R move to Scarsdale any time soon.
Yeppity.
>>> Yeah, that could be it. BTW, we never got to see Chandler and Monica
>>> tying the knot at sea..
>> Okay Stjerne, you got me now...
> It's a bit stupid actually, but I remember that we joked around about
> Chandler and Monica tying the knot at sea after Joey bought his boat.
Ah yes, I was trying to think of something in the show.
> Jack Geller would be thrilled since it could serve as some sort of
> sick preview of his own funeral.
They could put his body on ice at the beach house.
>>>>> We say "forelske seg." To love is "elske," so we just add "for."
>>>> What modification does the "for" make?
>>> It's hard to explain, but "forelske seg" ("seg" is the same as the
>>> German "sich") means to fall in love, while "elske" means (to) love.
>>> That sounds weird, but I don't know how to put it any clearer.
>> I'm still confused, but that doesn't matter.
>> The thing is that it's nothing to do with an actual fall in Norwegian, ja?
> Well, no, but we use the same word for falling down and falling for
> someone, just like you do.
Oh, okay.
>>> No, but if you fall for someone, you're basically just attracted to
>>> them. To "forelske seg" is to take it to another level.
>> Oh no, if you're basically just attracted then you fancy them; but if
>> you fall, then you can get hurt.
> See, we don't use the word "fancy" where I live.. ;)
Ah-hah!
>>>>>> The poor guy. This could end really badly for him, especially if
>>>>>> this is the last season, and the writers are planning for six
>>>>>> dooms...
>>>> What do you think of this?
>>> You're talking about Joey, right?
>> Not just Joey, all six of them could be doomed in six different ways.
> Oh, what do you have in mind? Divorce, custody battles, bankruptcy,
> unemployment etc?
Yes, and worse - ostracism, violence, death, and the return of Tag.
>>> Well, if nothing works out between him and Rachel, and they end up
>>> being as single as they are right now in the series finale, we will at
>>> least have had the opportunity to see Joey in a rather dramatic role
>>> where he has really had the chance to show off the entire emotional
>>> spectrum.
>> Yes, I agree. And what might befall the other five?
> Children and a new house for the Bings, a science guy for Phoebe (you
> can agree with that one, can't you? This can after all apply to Ross),
Lol!
> happiness in love for Ross, fulfilling motherhood for Rachel...
Awww...
>>> Yes, that's probably correct. I had a hard time remembering him as
>>> drunk since that rarely happens.
>> That's right, and we didn't actually see him drunk, so I'm wary of
>> including this, but AFAICR the 325 Joey is all that we've got.
> And the closest we got in that episode was a hangover, not any drunken
> mistakes with his friends' sisters.
That's right.
>>> I don't particularly wish for a RnR reunion because I think they have
>>> moved on. I watched season 1 last weekend, and I couldn't help
>>> thinking that I was watching a different show than the one I'm
>>> watching on NBC these days. They have grown up, moved on, matured,
>>> taken different jobs, tied the knot, made a baby, got divorced... What
>>> is there left to do for them if they get together? I think it will end
>>> up as a giant anti-climax, and I'm not sure what good that would do to
>>> the show.
>> That is an extremely good point, you are so right.
> Thank you. You're probably one of the few who agree with me on this.
Awww.. you might even say that I'm your stjerne? ;)
>>> In fact, I'd rather opt for an intriguing open ending, where we're
>>> left with a scene that can be interpreted either way. The movies with
>>> open or sad endings are after all the most memorable ones, so why not
>>> Friends?
>> Hmmm... except that I like watching all the alternative endings on DVD.
> Well, that would be the Friends-blackmail in order to get people to
> buy the DVDs, then. ;)
Absolutely!
>>> But Ross didn't have a big storyline like Rachel and Monica had.
>>> Rachel had that story with Ross which was one of the best stories they
>>> ever had, while Monica finally kissed Pete.
>> Oh, okay, fair enough. :)
> Yep. I liked Ross and Rachel in this episode. They were really nice to
> each other, and there was no ugly fighting. When I first saw this
> episode, I was sure they would get together again soon. (Which they
> did in a way.)
Yep. Of course, a cynic would say that BKC were setting us up...
>>> That's true, but I'm more pessimistic than ever these days. They just
>>> don't seem to *want* to do another season.
>> That is quite likely to be a front.
> I guess we'll have to wait and see. I just hope they'll announce
> something before they shoot the finale.
The last time we heard only a couple of days before the finale aired.
>> Plus the books "What to Expect When You're Expecting" and "Pregnancy for
>> Dummies", as well as Rachel's copies of "Fit Pregnancy" magazine.
> Yes, those will come in handy when he's going to be a father.
Or a step-father.
>>> Gosh, yes, those episodes when we were hoping they would get together
>>> were fabulous..
>> When Rachel took the last step of that long long walk across the
>> apartment, there was a tiny gasp in the audience, from those fans who
>> were just that little bit quicker on the uptake....
> Pardon? Are you talking about her walk towards Ross in 214, or her
> walk towards Joey in 812?
214.
>>> Yes, she hasn't been around much for Rachel, has she?
>> Maybe that's to come.
> I have a feeling that won't happen until season 9, if there will be
> one. Rachel's schedule seems to be booked for the next couple of
> months.
Could be.
>>> Yeah, well, you enjoyed Phoebe's story in 713 more than I did. :)
>> Blackly delicious...
> The chairs were pretty funny.
Those too. And the Porsche.
>>> Yes, Ross won't walk away either. She's lucky to have two men in her
>>> life that will stick by her during this, which is why she doesn't need
>>> a husband.
>> I'm not quite so sure about Ross...
> Well, he did it for Carol, so why not for Rachel, whom he has been
> spending time together with for almost eight years now? They see each
> other every day, so I'm sure he'll stop wearing roller blades when the
> baby comes. At least, I hope so.
Well, think how he reacted against Susan.
>>> Nah, not really. Norway is a totally different issue, though.
>> Lol - oh yes?
> Let's just say that there is a totally different system where you are
> responsible for your own education and don't have to show up for
> lectures at all. Your entire grade is based on the final exam, which
> means that many students drop out of the class after one week or so,
> only to return in the end of the semester to take the exam.
That has its advantages...
>>> Oh, she'll be a great mom, I'm sure of it. :)
>> Me too - no doubts whatsoever.
> Yes, they'll be wonderful parents both of them.
She'll be a great mom.
>>>>> What if Susan said that she had a photo-shoot in London, while
>>>>> secretly planning to meet Emily there, so they end up hooking
>>>>> up in London?
>>>> Ooh, Ross would so hate that.
>>> I know, but there's something about London, right?
>> I dunno, it doesn't seem very romantic to me, it's just large & dirty.
> Well, I love it. Perhaps it's because it's a foreign, romantic country
> to me. ;)
Indeedy.
>>> I said that I thought it was rather obvious that they would share
>>> custody of the kid and that it was just as logical to call the kid
>>> Green as Geller.
>> Oh, I disagree. I would say that Ross would merely have access, Rachel
>> would have total custody. And the baby's name will be Green, there's no
>> way it would be Geller, unless they suddenly remarry.
> The baby's name should definitely be named Green, and I'll be
> disappointed in Rachel if she calls her baby Geller. She's just as
> important to the kid as Ross is.
Yeah.
> I do think they should share custody, though. I still have faith in
> Ross, so hopefully he'll drop the Mental Geller act before the end of
> the series.
Hmmmm...
>>>> Where did the dolls house go?
>>> Perhaps they keep it in the basement until little Ms G. Bing wants to
>>> play with it.
>> A valuable thing like that where any tenant could take it?
> Well, do you think it is in the guest room closet? It's definitely not
> on the balcony.
Probably, those closets are *vast*.
>>>>> True, but I'm saying that perhaps Phoebe joined Greenpeace after
>>>>> seeing what kind of "studs" they have. ;)
>>>> Gosh, yes.
>>> That's always a tempting treat for Phoebe.
>> As long as they write journals as well.
> Lol, yeah, a journal full of Greenpease protests. Phoebe would go
> nuts.
Hehe.
>>>>> We'll have to try to play it slightly faster once the DVD is
> released.
>>>> Yep, on A-B repeat.
>>> Yes, I love that A-B thing.
>> Ooh, what have you used it on?
> My season 5 DVDs (especially 501 and 514) plus some movies to find out
> more about the plot and the details.
Examples?
>>>> I thought it was a wonderful touch - congrats to JA & DS.
>>> Yeah. Keep him behind the camera until Ross loses his nickname.
>> That'll take some years...
> Well, at least we'd have some wonderfully directed episodes to look
> forward to! He's great when he's directing.
Absolutely.
>>>>>>>> What do you think is the most romantic gesture - a bouquet of
>>>>>>>> flowers, or a barbershop quartet?
>>>>>>> Hah! ;)
>>>>>> I knew you would get it. :)
>>>>> Grin.
>>>> Most others didn't.
>>> So I noticed.
>> That's why you are my stjerne.
> Lol. The Norwegian version of lucky penny would be "tiøring," so I
> guess you are that then.
Awwww... :)
>>>>> Not to mention the fact that white lilies mean, "it's heavenly to be
>>>>> with you."
>>>> Really? In the language of flowers?
>>> Yes. They also mean virginity, purity and majesty.
>> Lol!
> Yeah, I thought the sentence fit really well, but not the others.
Exactly. :)
>>> To get back at him for 517?
>> Yep - gosh, you're smart - he'd base it on Ross's place cards in 801.
> Lol! Great, and to make it even worse, Joey and Rachel can make a doll
> that looks like her or Mona and throw that down the stairs when he's
> about to leave..
RPGOL!!!
>>>>>>> 716 TOW The Truth About London - Phoebe
>>>>>> She believed she'd been poisoned.
>>>>> But still..
>>>> And in the full version, she apologised, and Monica forgave her.
>>> Still not good enough, sorry.
>> Well, Monica loves her.
> Phoebe is lucky that she does.
Indeedy.
>>> I know. Hopefully, he has been so good to Monica and the rest of the
>>> gang since 1995, that he's got a better karma these days.
>> Indeedy - although Phoebe's karma ran over Frank's dogma...
> Oh god.. :)
Smil.
> Perhaps Chandler's fiancée's karma ran over Phoebe's friends' dogma
> after 708?
That's very likely!
>>>> Oh, just about every "Friends" fan must be totally on Joey's side.
>>> I think so, yes.
>> Our hero.
> Yeah, Joey has rarely has as many fans as he has at the moment.
Yay!
>>>> But it will probably end up on the DVD, according to my source.
>>> Really? That's great! I guess that will be released in the middle of
>>> July, then.
>> Very probably.
>> The only release date we have so far is March 18th, for 801-808.
> I know, I can't wait to get the first DVDs.
Will you be teaching the locals how to buy & play R2 DVD's?
>>> And without spoiling you, I can reveal that the clip where Monica
>>> tries to lift Chandler off his chair in this episode showed up in the
>>> new opening credits last night.
>> After he'd gone limp? They really do like to tease the fans with cut
>> scenes in the titles, don't they? Let's hope S2 soon follows S1 in the
>> USA, so that we can at last see Chandler leaping into Joey's arms.
> Yes, that's the one. All the other clips were things we'd seen
> already, though.
There must be many surprises though - look at the extended 309.
>>> I love the chairs in 713, but that's because I know how comfortable
>>> they are.
>> Awwww... poor baby, you're missing your barcalounger, aren't you?
> Lol, I thought you'd remember that. ;)
Of course!
> Yep, I really do. Not to mention how great it would be to use that on
> the plane instead of those uncomfortable seats in coach...
But there'd have to be a ban on barcalounger gunfights...
>>> Absolutely. I think we're at this season's biggest crossroads...
>> Well sweetheart, I've got my ankles crossed for Joey & Rachel, and for
>> Ross & Phoebe in Season 10. If you check back, the last time I crossed
>> my ankles was for *you*, on November 7th, to make your tickets come...
> Oh, that's right! :)
Yep.
> Yeah, my ticket is ready now, so I can pick it up when I get there.
> And if you made that happen, I owe you big time. This is like a dream
> come true for me. And it was more unlikely that I would get tickets
> than it is for Joey and Rachel to hook up..
It's no more than you deserve, sweetheart. :)
p r i y a
Actually, what Tennant says makes sense. It was upto Joey to choose
whom he got to kiss. He might have chosen Rachel cos he's already
kissed Phoebe (in that episode where Joey wanted to practice kissing a
guy). If he told Ross that he was going to kiss Rachel, Ross was bound
to ask why he wants to kiss his ex. Best answer there was that they
had too much history. Everyone comes out on top. Very clever indeed!
>
> > >>> 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
>
> > >> Exactly.
>
> > > Now, this scene is worthy of having some foreshadowing attached to it.
> > > A lot like the C&M scenes in late S3 & early S4. He offers a
> > > relationship and she turns him down.
> >
> > Yep. Joey promised to treat her real nice, and pulled out a chair for
> > her - but she pushed the chair back in. These days Rachel sits down.
> >
> >
> > >> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> > >> up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
>
> > > But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
> > > when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
> >
> > I'm not blaming Ross for anything, it's just that a woman can get
> > drunk in Joey's company, and not be taken advantage of.
> >
> > After Rachel drank wine with Ross, she had to switch to apple juice.
>
> What Tennant is saying is that Rachel was taken advantage of by Ross. Yea
> right...He is not blaming Ross for anything he says but he is simply blaming
> every single male (which includes Ross) except Joey. So how can he say that
> he is not blaming Ross? Tennant likes making Joey look good and Ross look
> like crap.
Ross and Joey differ in the way they treat Rachel and vice versa.
a. Rachel has no qualms about treating Ross like a backup and doesn't
really respect him much.
b. Rachel respects her roommate and will take 'no' from him (case in
point - 811).
c. Ross will let himself be used whenever Rachel wants and doesn't
have what it takes to turn her down. (701, 804)
d. Joey could have taken advantage of her raging hormones in 811 and
slept with her. But he didn't. That was the point he was making.
Noone's pinning all the blame on Ross. Rachel was in it as much as
Ross. But we were talking about Joey.
Priya
p r i y a
Perhaps she does but still she might have massage appointments during
Ross's classes. She may not be able to guarantee to drive him there
all the time.
>
>
> >>> Maybe Ross should have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
>
> >> Lol, something about doing that makes him seem like an Indian giver.
>
> > What's an Indian giver?
>
> Someone who having given, still regards the gift as their property, and
> tries to control its use, or even ask for it back. The worst sort even
> give gifts for themselves, such as Marge Simpson's bowling ball.
Oh yes, I saw that episode of Simpsons. That Homer!
>
>
> >> Good point. We were wondering which was Phoebe's gift.
>
> > yep and once again Monica rips open a gift.
>
> Indeedy, but she knew where it came from.
Ofcourse, I'm just saying that she rips open her gifts unlike her
husband.
> >> If you listen carefully, but in other episodes not this, you can hear
> >> the special foot stamp she does. Look at what kind of situations prompt
> >> Rachel to do that.
>
> > I haven't noticed the footstamp and did you say 'hear the footstamp'??
>
> That's right. Keep an ear open.
How can you be sure the sound is coming from her foot if you can't see
it?
You'll have to tell which eps to check.
>
>
> >>> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB was
> >>> brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>
> >> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
>
> > Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
>
> I wouldn't, I just wanted to tell you how I felt.
Oh, I'm slow at times :)
> >>> Terribly exciting isn't it?
>
> >> I knowww!!! How is she gonna react when she finds out??????
>
> > Lets hope she finds out soon.
>
> Or let's hope she finds out in Season 16.
Courtney, you watch what you say in interviews; you've got Tennant all
excited here.
> >>>> It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in
> >>>> 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until
> >>>> the fifth season that their relationship went up a notch.
>
> >>> When they kissed on New Years Eve?
>
> >> Yep. In 70 seconds, he manipulated all of his friends so that he got to
> >> kiss Rachel at midnight (four years earlier he was stuck with Chandler).
>
> > LOL maybe thats why he was so quick to help them out. But I can't
> > accept that scene as a J&R foreshadowing scene but you can put that up
> > to show his quick thinking.
>
> Well, it may not have been foreshadowing, but the only girl Joey couldn't
> kiss was Monica. It was up to him which of the other two he kissed.
You know, he might have chose to kiss Rachel cos he has already kissed
Phoebe in that episode where he wants to practice kissing a guy.
> >>> 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
>
> >> Exactly.
>
> > Now, this scene is worthy of having some foreshadowing attached to it.
> > A lot like the C&M scenes in late S3 & early S4. He offers a
> > relationship and she turns him down.
>
> Yep. Joey promised to treat her real nice, and pulled out a chair for
> her - but she pushed the chair back in. These days Rachel sits down.
Yeah, it was a very cute scene then. Joey's getting cuter with each
episode.
> >> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No waking
> >> up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his back.
>
> > But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
> > when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
>
> I'm not blaming Ross for anything, it's just that a woman can get
> drunk in Joey's company, and not be taken advantage of.
>
> After Rachel drank wine with Ross, she had to switch to apple juice.
615+616 were from a parallel universe. So, I don't think you should
use that as an example. However, you might quote the scene from 811,
where he turns her down when her hormones were acting up.
> > I read the other responses to your comments on this. I gotta say, 4
> > days away from ATF, I had a whole bunch of msgs to catch up on. My DSL
> > line conked out and it took 2 days for us to figure out that it our
> > computer wasn't at fault. :)
>
> Eek.
I'm sitting on my new computer now. YAY!
> >> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug that
> >> Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't there.
>
> > Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
>
> <ears fingers="IN"> Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! </ears>
aw..you're so cute.
> >>>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
>
> >>> Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
> >>> just for that day.
>
> >> Monica seems to like things clean, she's no minimalist. Look at her place.
>
> > I knowwww! How does do move around with knocking stuff over?
>
> I dunno. Maybe it's because it's a big apartment, with wide passageways...
Yes but there's just way too many stuff in there. The prop team just
went nuts doing up the set.
> >>> I found Chandler's "you suck" funny. He didn't get to say many stuff
> >>> that was funny.
>
> >> Yeah, he was even doing the "pull my finger" thing again.
>
> > I never got the "pull my finger" thing. Whats that all about?
>
> The idea is that you pull his finger, so he farts.
Ew! So, I finally get that joke from 723. EW!
> >>>> How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
>
> >>> We should only wonder when he is actually shown at work LOL Perhaps
> >>> Doug gave him some time off to get over his divorce! :)
>
> >> Ooohh!!! What a clever point! Yes!!
>
> > Clever for you but thats just average for me ;)
>
> Absolutely.
oh, please.
> >>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>
> >>> PPB, RPG, PHE
>
> >> Ah. Please explain.
>
> > Phoebe Phoebe Buffay (even though I don't accept that is her name)
>
> > Regina PhilanGe
>
> > PheeHE (after her bday cake)
>
> Oh, very clever. :)
Thanks. I figured that Phoebe didn't use any dirty initials.
>
>
> >> I don't see why they can't give her some meaty Ursula stories.
>
> > Well, they need to give her something. In 803, I really didn't like
> > stupid story that MLB and LK had been given. At least MLBs got a good
> > deal going.
>
> That's right. And we don't have to see her with Phoebe.
A while back, you mentioned that the show might be considering LK as
expendable. You're probably right. Maybe she'll be the friend they
would do the show without. David's got a lot to do in the show, so he
might sign up.
> >> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
>
> > Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
>
> DFY
Is that Delights For You or the other one?
>
>
> >>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
> >>>> front door?
>
> >>> A question only the prop team can answer :)
>
> >> Well, my theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
> >> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
>
> > A trick on Ross so he won't bother him with Rachel? Even so, all Ross
> > has to do is turn around and see flat no. 20.
>
> No, the idea is to exact revenge for what happened in 517 "TOW Rachel's
> Inadvertent Kiss", by teasing Ross with his error of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
er..you lost me. I remember 801's table confusion with 6 and 9. What
happened in 517?
> >>>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed
> >>>> Chandler & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop",
> >>>> which prompted Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>
> >>> It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ Boyz
> >>> 3000 (did I get that right?)
>
> >> That's a good point, sweetie. The chair is a La-Z-Boy E-cliner 3000.
>
> > Yep. Rachel was so cute when she bragged about it to Chandler.
>
> Absolutely. Did you notice how the whole scene was played up against one
> side of the set, as thought the rest was filled in with something else?
Yeah, they only showed part of the living room, mostly near the door.
> >>> So I looked it up on imdb.
>
> >> Me too. It's most convenient to have your own copy.
>
> > of Imdb? Are you talking about having an offline copy or do you
> > subscribe to them? Their rates are ridiculous.
>
> An offline copy, which is freely available.
How big is that? Do you have it on your hard disc or on a cd?
> >>> Anything I hear about on the show, I have to check it out. I keep
> >>> telling myself that its not very obsessive. They are many others on
> >>> the ng that would do the same but then again its after I subscribed to
> >>> ATF, that I'm into all the tiny details of the show :)
>
> >> Exactly. You're amongst friends now, so don't worry sweetie. :)
>
> > Just wish my friends would watch the show. The ones that do watch it,
> > don't like it enough to want to talk about it. I can't imagine what
> > its like for you at your place being the only friends fan and all.
>
> I'm the only one in the family who likes it, but when the series was
> taken over by a subscription channel from Season 4 onwards, many fans
> could not receive it, so we all started getting together.
Good for you. I'd love to watch the show with someone who's a fan.
Nishad is always cribbing about how the older seasons were funny and
keeping saying 'oh please'. Now, I only let him watch it with me, if
he promises to keep his mouth shut. :)
> >> Have you seen "Cats & Dogs"? It's so anti-cat that it's horrible, and
> >> even the dogs don't do all that well either. However, the hero dog is a
> >> nice little animal, just the sort of dog I complained Clunkers was not.
>
> > Nope I haven't seen it. Are you a cat-lover? I so don't like cats. I
> > didn't like clunkers either.
>
> I wouldn't describe myself as a cat-lover (they're a bit strange) but I
> do prefer cats to dogs. OTOH, I quite like dogs in principle, but most
> dog-owners make their dogs into a horrible nuisance.
>
> I didn't like Clunkers because she was so cutesified, like a Muppet.
Yeah, Clunkers wasn't really cute.
>
>
> >>>> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>
> >>> Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
>
> >> He might need something to take his mind off his troubles.
>
> > A while back, Rachel might have played with him. Remember the drums?
>
> Oh yes, they would all play, except Ross.
Why? Do you think that Ross doesn't play video games. He was playing
with Joey's on the playstation during the Janine eps. She walks into
the apartment and Ross mumbles something about 'not' playing video
games.
> >>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
> >>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying
> >>>> about four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they
> >>>> bought, then Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They
> >>>> can't find any, so Chandler replies that was what they went to the
> >>>> store for in the first place.
>
> >>> I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812.
>
> >> That's because there wasn't one generally available. What you are
> >> getting here from me is virtually exclusive information, known to
> >> only a few people before I published it.
>
> > How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
> > source :)
>
> Grin.
Its the probably the guy who wrote the 813 spoiler.
>
>
> >>> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>
> >> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
>
> > ITC, TYVM! :)
>
> URLCM
Aw. Do you know most of the acronyms in your list?
> >> I'm informed that all these scenes should make the DVD, just hope that
> >> there isn't another cock-up, like some of the S7 'extended' episodes.
>
> > Why? Didn't all the extended episodes make it to DVD?
>
> We know from filming reports that some lovely scenes did not make it
> into the extended version. The most notorious example is Ross & Phoebe
> duetting on bagpipes & guitar in Central Perk, that should have been
> the tag of 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain". Everybody with a "Friends" 2002
> calendar should have a picture of this scene up on the wall right now.
oh, the picture looks hilarious. Maybe it will showup on a clip show.
>>>> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally
> >>>> started with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it
> >>>> for Joey to say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He
> >>>> sees the price of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking
> >>>> waitress, and says something about the fans not usually caring quite
> >>>> *that* much.
>
> >>> oooh thats sounds really funny. They could have kept this.
>
> >> Yep, and cut back on the Ross story. Don't forget that the decision of
> >> what went in & what didn't was up to Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.
>
> > Editors!
>
> Well, the editors do the work, but the creators & that episode's director
> actually decide what is in & what is out.
For some reason, I misread 'what went in & what didn't was up to
Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.' as wasn't upto BKC and DS. Silly me.
>
> >>> I noticed that you review is much longer than your usual style of
> >>> three paras per story. I understandly completely, it would be too
> >>> difficult or unfair to sum up 'The Story' in just three paras :)
>
> >> Well spotted. You'll notice that the better a story is, the more
> >> details it has that I want to talk about. However, you'll see a
> >> more complex structure in my review of 813, which is due to the
> >> way the narratives intersect in way I hoped to preserve.
>
> > I noticed 813 is always longer than your older reviews. So is this
> > your new style?
>
> It isn't a new style, it's just a more complex one that I use when
> the narrative stricture demands it. And the narrative section in 813
> is not long at all, in fact it is the 15th shortest out of 60. The
> narrative in my review of 614 is almost twice as long as 813's is.
>
> You can have the stats if you like.
No, I'll pass, if you don't mind. I don't have time to go thru it.
Although, I'll look at your review of 614. You needn't repost it. I'll
find it :)
> >>> Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
>
> >> Okay! Is that the steamy fanfic?
>
> > It wasn't very good although she's usually very good. There's only one
> > person who writes them on ff.net and she's got quite a following
> > there. Its not just smut. The plot and the humour is really funny and
> > contrived. And they're all C&M fics!
>
> Does she put herself into the stories?
er..I don't know. Well, if she is, then all I can say is 'wow'. If you
got time, you might want to check her stories out. Look up the author,
'Daphne' at ff.net, she's the 9th Daphne listed there, the English
biscuit maker.
Priya
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>>>> The Bing Times? (for some things don't change.)
>>> The Bing Webring?
>> Lol, that would be full of porn...
> And funny musicals. But it would be the most appropriate for the
> family, don't you think?
For the old Bings yes, but not the new Bings.
>>> I couldn't understand why Ross insisted on holding that box while he
>>> was talking to her. It's fine that he wanted to look strong in front
>>> of her, but it's more logical to put down something that heavy while
>>> you're talking to other people.
>> Yeah, he supposed that she's thinking "he's strong", but all the while
>> she's really thinking "he's stupid".
> Yes, especially after his started his rant about the sewer system.
Exactly. But while Rachel would have taunted him about that, and
Mona would have pretended to like it, Phoebe would have shown a
genuine interest in what Ross had to say.
>>>> Yeah, but at least both Monicas now have the boy they love.
>>> Yes, she's really lucky that way. :)
>> It's the symmetry of fate, since the boy originally caused the split.
> Ah, I see. :)
Thanks.
> Guess Chandler was right when he suggested the merge-sign, huh? The
> two Monicas merged when she started dating him..
Oh yes, *very* good, sweetie.
>>> Gosh, I wish we could have seen the latter, even though Nora strikes
>>> me as rather easy-going with other *women*.
>> Ah, but just wait until Nora sees Judy sink her claws into Monica.
> Do you think she's protective of her daughter-in-law?
More than she would be of Monica Geller.
>>>> In 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", Richard joked that a
>>>> man had "Clockwork Orgy" hidden between tapes of "Vertigo", and
>>>> "Citizen Kane"... :)
>>> Oh, that's right! Richard was rather funny back then, even though he
>>> was ugly without the moustache.
>> That's right. His best scenes however have been sparring with Chandler,
>> especially in 216 "TOW Joey Moves Out" (when both had moustaches).
> Not to mention when he called him Big Tree in 625.
That too.
>>>> Oh, her... she's the one who did all the naked sex scenes on British
>>>> prime-time TV as Moll Flanders. Good job I'm not cutting your hair.
>>> Lol! I guess she's the TV equivalent to Kate Winslet then.
>> Lol - she was amazing in "Quills".
> I haven't seen it yet. I've seen Titanic a dozen times, though.
Well, "Quills" isn't as good a movie, but Winslet is better.
>>> And I'm too much of a wuss to let *any* of my friends touch my hair. I
>>> did that once, and that was such a catastrophe I swore I'd never do it
>>> again.
>> What happened?
> My friend decided that I needed short hair. I had long curls down to
> my waist at the time, so she cut off my hair over my ears. The curls
> that were left had to go as well, so I ended up looking like a boy for
> quite a few years after that.
Oh well, a big change like that was just asking for trouble. Sorry.
>>> The promo for 815, OTOH, is a promo for all of the three sitcoms on
>>> Thursday night, so it doesn't really show much from Friends.
>> Ah.
> Yep, it is more focused on Matt Damon's guest appearance on Will &
> Grace.
Oh, pardon me for not getting excited about that...
>>> Jack Geller would be thrilled since it could serve as some sort of
>>> sick preview of his own funeral.
>> They could put his body on ice at the beach house.
> Ewww.. Knowing how weird Jack is, he would probably think that's a
> good idea.
Yep, just as long as they didn't change the carpets, or put a new bath in.
>>>> Not just Joey, all six of them could be doomed in six different ways.
>>> Oh, what do you have in mind? Divorce, custody battles, bankruptcy,
>>> unemployment etc?
>> Yes, and worse - ostracism, violence, death, and the return of Tag.
> <shudders> Yes, his series on the WB isn't doing that well at the
> moment.
Maybe, but it's a great success compared with Hank Azaria's new series.
>>> happiness in love for Ross, fulfilling motherhood for Rachel...
>> Awww...
> Yep, I think Rachel will change even more after the baby is born.
Indeed, it's going to be such fun watching the baby grow up.
>>>> That is an extremely good point, you are so right.
>>> Thank you. You're probably one of the few who agree with me on this.
>> Awww.. you might even say that I'm your stjerne? ;)
> Lol, no, "tiøring." ;)
Ah yes, I remember now. :)
>>> Yep. I liked Ross and Rachel in this episode. They were really nice
>>> to each other, and there was no ugly fighting. When I first saw this
>>> episode, I was sure they would get together again soon. (Which they
>>> did in a way.)
>> Yep. Of course, a cynic would say that BKC were setting us up...
> They have been known to do that, yes.
Exactly.
>>> I guess we'll have to wait and see. I just hope they'll announce
>>> something before they shoot the finale.
>> The last time we heard only a couple of days before the finale aired.
> I know, and I don't want that kind of end all over again.
Well, I've got my ankles crossed...
>>>> Plus the books "What to Expect When You're Expecting" and "Pregnancy
>>>> for Dummies", as well as Rachel's copies of "Fit Pregnancy" magazine.
>>> Yes, those will come in handy when he's going to be a father.
>> Or a step-father.
> That's true. Perhaps Chandler should borrow the books afterwards in
> order to be prepared for the future.
Ooh no, that's hubris.
>>> Pardon? Are you talking about her walk towards Ross in 214, or her
>>> walk towards Joey in 812?
>> 214.
> I thought so. Yes, that was a beautiful scene. Ross was the lovely
> hero who desperately wanted to rescue Rachel, but was never allowed
> to. That was a great, classic Friends-scene, although not as amazing
> as the kiss in the end of 207.
I bet that every time you see the scene again, you're just a little
bit afraid that Rachel won't be able to get the door open...
>>>>> Yeah, well, you enjoyed Phoebe's story in 713 more than I did. :)
>>>> Blackly delicious...
>>> The chairs were pretty funny.
>> Those too. And the Porsche.
> Absolutely. I'd like to have the car and the chair, actually.
You'll never get the chair inside the car!
>>> Well, he did it for Carol, so why not for Rachel, whom he has been
>>> spending time together with for almost eight years now? They see each
>>> other every day, so I'm sure he'll stop wearing roller blades when the
>>> baby comes. At least, I hope so.
>> Well, think how he reacted against Susan.
> Yeah, perhaps Phoebe needs to drag him into one of Monica's closets to
> talk some sense into him.
Perhaps Phoebe needs to drag him into one of Monica's closets to
rip his clothes off, and show him just how bendy she is.
>>> Let's just say that there is a totally different system where you are
>>> responsible for your own education and don't have to show up for
>>> lectures at all. Your entire grade is based on the final exam, which
>>> means that many students drop out of the class after one week or so,
>>> only to return in the end of the semester to take the exam.
>> That has its advantages...
> True, but if you have a bad day on the day of the exam, you're in big
> trouble.
That was never my problem. Sit me down in front of an exam paper, and
the whole subject just floods up into my mind.
>>> Well, do you think it is in the guest room closet? It's definitely not
>>> on the balcony.
>> Probably, those closets are *vast*.
> I wonder if Chandler hides anything from his wife in those closets?
He's probably got Janice in there.
>>>>> Yes, I love that A-B thing.
>>>> Ooh, what have you used it on?
>>> My season 5 DVDs (especially 501 and 514) plus some movies to find out
>>> more about the plot and the details.
>> Examples?
> The Sixth Sense, What Lies Beneath, and when I wanted to see the ring
> in 623.
And the guy wearing jeans in "Gladiator".
>>> Perhaps Chandler's fiancée's karma ran over Phoebe's friends' dogma
>>> after 708?
>> That's very likely!
> Yep, especially since the thieves who stole Rachel's boyfriend's karma
> didn't hit the dogma.
Only because Rachel's ex-roomie had it hidden in Rachel's ex-ex-roomie's
beautiful guest bedroom.
>>> I know, I can't wait to get the first DVDs.
>> Will you be teaching the locals how to buy & play R2 DVD's?
> They may need it, yes! I tried to tell a friend of mine about the
> DVD-system in Europe and the rest of the world, and he was green
> withenvy.
Your very existence reminds them that Europe is out there, somewhere...
>>>> After he'd gone limp? They really do like to tease the fans with cut
>>>> scenes in the titles, don't they? Let's hope S2 soon follows S1 in
>>>> the USA, so that we can at last see Chandler leaping into Joey's arms.
>>> Yes, that's the one. All the other clips were things we'd seen
>>> already, though.
>> There must be many surprises though - look at the extended 309.
> Definitely. Perhaps they'll release all of them uncut in the USA. :)
I'm hoping so, I shall definitely be buying them.
>>> Yeah, my ticket is ready now, so I can pick it up when I get there.
>>> And if you made that happen, I owe you big time. This is like a dream
>>> come true for me. And it was more unlikely that I would get tickets
>>> than it is for Joey and Rachel to hook up..
>> It's no more than you deserve, sweetheart. :)
> Thanks. Five weeks to go now! :)
Yay!!!
Can I talk about the director now?
Tennant Stuart
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
A special message for British fans only.
> The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King.
This film is being shown on Channel 5 *tonight* at 10:55pm.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.1f52174b04...@argonet.co.uk>...
Maybe, but I'm sure they could come to some arrangement.
>>>>> Maybe Ross should have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
>>>> Lol, something about doing that makes him seem like an Indian giver.
>>> What's an Indian giver?
>> Someone who having given, still regards the gift as their property, and
>> tries to control its use, or even ask for it back. The worst sort even
>> give gifts for themselves, such as Marge Simpson's bowling ball.
> Oh yes, I saw that episode of Simpsons. That Homer!
He even put his name on it!
>>>> Good point. We were wondering which was Phoebe's gift.
>>> yep and once again Monica rips open a gift.
>> Indeedy, but she knew where it came from.
> Of course, I'm just saying that she rips open her gifts unlike her
> husband.
Absolutely.
>>>> If you listen carefully, but in other episodes not this, you can hear
>>>> the special foot stamp she does. Look at what kind of situations
>>>> prompt Rachel to do that.
>>> I haven't noticed the footstamp and did you say 'hear the footstamp'??
>> That's right. Keep an ear open.
> How can you be sure the sound is coming from her foot if you can't see
> it? You'll have to tell which eps to check.
Because sometimes you can see the foot, and it fits her mood.
No promises, but check out Rachel's conflict with Monica, the not-dropped
socks, and the swing dance non-lessons, in 502 "TOW All the Kissing".
>>>>> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB
>>>>> was brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>>>> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
>>> Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
>> I wouldn't, I just wanted to tell you how I felt.
> Oh, I'm slow at times :)
Aawwww...
>>>>> Terribly exciting isn't it?
>>>> I knowww!!! How is she gonna react when she finds out??????
>>> Lets hope she finds out soon.
>> Or let's hope she finds out in Season 16.
> Courtney, you watch what you say in interviews; you've got Tennant all
> excited here.
Hehe.
>> Well, it may not have been foreshadowing, but the only girl Joey
>> couldn't kiss was Monica. It was up to him which of the other two he
>> kissed.
> You know, he might have chose to kiss Rachel cos he has already kissed
> Phoebe in that episode where he wants to practice kissing a guy.
Could be. What do you make of the question he asked her?
RACHEL: Happy New Year, Joey!
JOEY: So did that do anything for ya?
>>>>> 516 was sooooo cute. "I saw you first" :)
>>>> Exactly.
>>> Now, this scene is worthy of having some foreshadowing attached to it.
>>> A lot like the C&M scenes in late S3 & early S4. He offers a
>>> relationship and she turns him down.
>> Yep. Joey promised to treat her real nice, and pulled out a chair for
>> her - but she pushed the chair back in. These days Rachel sits down.
> Yeah, it was a very cute scene then. Joey's getting cuter with each
> episode.
BOC, considering that even we guys have started to notice.
>>>> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No
>>>> waking up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his
>>>> back.
>>> But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
>>> when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
>> I'm not blaming Ross for anything, it's just that a woman can get
>> drunk in Joey's company, and not be taken advantage of.
>> After Rachel drank wine with Ross, she had to switch to apple juice.
> 615+616 were from a parallel universe. So, I don't think you should
> use that as an example.
I believe that I can as a character reference.
> However, you might quote the scene from 811,
> where he turns her down when her hormones were acting up.
Exactly. And also a drunken Kate Miller in 322 "TOW the Screamer".
>>> I read the other responses to your comments on this. I gotta say, 4
>>> days away from ATF, I had a whole bunch of msgs to catch up on. My DSL
>>> line conked out and it took 2 days for us to figure out that it our
>>> computer wasn't at fault. :)
>> Eek.
> I'm sitting on my new computer now. YAY!
Sitting *on* it?
>>>> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug that
>>>> Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't there.
>>> Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
>> <ears fingers="IN"> Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! </ears>
> aw..you're so cute.
<dimples>
>>>>>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the
> machine?
>>>>> Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
>>>>> just for that day.
>>>> Monica seems to like things clean, she's no minimalist. Look at her
> place.
>>> I knowwww! How does do move around with knocking stuff over?
>> I dunno. Maybe it's because it's a big apartment, with wide
> passageways...
> Yes but there's just way too many stuff in there. The prop team just
> went nuts doing up the set.
It expresses her personality.
>>>>> I found Chandler's "you suck" funny. He didn't get to say many stuff
>>>>> that was funny.
>>>> Yeah, he was even doing the "pull my finger" thing again.
>>> I never got the "pull my finger" thing. Whats that all about?
>> The idea is that you pull his finger, so he farts.
> Ew! So, I finally get that joke from 723. EW!
Exactly.
>>>>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>>>>> PPB, RPG, PHE
>>>> Ah. Please explain.
>>> Phoebe Phoebe Buffay (even though I don't accept that is her name)
>>> Regina PhilanGe
>>> PheeHE (after her bday cake)
>> Oh, very clever. :)
> Thanks. I figured that Phoebe didn't use any dirty initials.
Indeedy, from Monica's reaction.
>>>> I don't see why they can't give her some meaty Ursula stories.
>>> Well, they need to give her something. In 803, I really didn't like
>>> stupid story that MLB and LK had been given. At least MLBs got a good
>>> deal going.
>> That's right. And we don't have to see her with Phoebe.
> A while back, you mentioned that the show might be considering LK as
> expendable. You're probably right. Maybe she'll be the friend they
> would do the show without. David's got a lot to do in the show, so he
> might sign up.
Who knows? My money is on a deal where the actors with itchy feet
only appear in selected episodes.
>>>> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
>>> Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
>> DFY
> Is that Delights For You or the other one?
The other one.
>>>>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in
>>>>>> Joey's front door?
>>>>> A question only the prop team can answer :)
>>>> Well, my theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
>>>> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
>>> A trick on Ross so he won't bother him with Rachel? Even so, all Ross
>>> has to do is turn around and see flat no. 20.
>> No, the idea is to exact revenge for what happened in 517 "TOW Rachel's
>> Inadvertent Kiss", by teasing Ross with his error of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
> er..you lost me. I remember 801's table confusion with 6 and 9. What
> happened in 517?
When poor Joey was trying to find the hot girl, Ross kept moving his
apartment through a parallel dimension to end up behind the doors.
>>>>>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed
>>>>>> Chandler & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop",
>>>>>> which prompted Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>>>>> It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ
>>>>> Boyz 3000 (did I get that right?)
>>>> That's a good point, sweetie. The chair is a La-Z-Boy E-cliner 3000.
>>> Yep. Rachel was so cute when she bragged about it to Chandler.
>> Absolutely. Did you notice how the whole scene was played up against one
>> side of the set, as thought the rest was filled in with something else?
> Yeah, they only showed part of the living room, mostly near the door.
Exactly. Most suspicious.
>>>>> So I looked it up on imdb.
>>>> Me too. It's most convenient to have your own copy.
>>> of Imdb? Are you talking about having an offline copy or do you
>>> subscribe to them? Their rates are ridiculous.
>> An offline copy, which is freely available.
> How big is that? Do you have it on your hard disc or on a cd?
I've just downloaded the current version, which is about 600Mb, so it
would just fit on a CD. However, that was about 20% larger than last
May's version, so it will soon be too large.
>> I'm the only one in the family who likes it, but when the series was
>> taken over by a subscription channel from Season 4 onwards, many fans
>> could not receive it, so we all started getting together.
> Good for you. I'd love to watch the show with someone who's a fan.
> Nishad is always cribbing about how the older seasons were funny and
> keeping saying 'oh please'. Now, I only let him watch it with me, if
> he promises to keep his mouth shut. :)
Well, after watching "Friends" one day, the gang then viewed "Charlie's
Angel's" on DVD, and we all enjoyed tearing that to shreds.
>> I didn't like Clunkers because she was so cutesified, like a Muppet.
> Yeah, Clunkers wasn't really cute.
Exactly.
>>>>>> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>>>>> Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
>>>> He might need something to take his mind off his troubles.
>>> A while back, Rachel might have played with him. Remember the drums?
>> Oh yes, they would all play, except Ross.
> Why? Do you think that Ross doesn't play video games. He was playing
> with Joey's on the playstation during the Janine eps. She walks into
> the apartment and Ross mumbles something about 'not' playing video
> games.
That's why. Ross does play video games, but he & Phoebe like to be
the grown-ups over the four younger ones in the group, as in...
MONICA: No, Ross, we do not hate Emily. We-we just, we just think that
you're having to sacrifice a whole lot to make her happy.
JOEY: Yeah!
CHANDLER: We just think that maybe she's being a little unreasonable.
JOEY: Yes! Yes! Unreasonable!
ROSS: Unreasonable? How about we have this conversation when one of you
guys gets married! You have no idea what it takes to make a marriage
work! Alright, it's about compromise! Do you always like it? No! Do
you do it? Yes! Because it's not all laughing, happy, candy in the
sky, drinking coffee at Central Perk all the time! It's real life,
okay? It's what grown-ups do! (He storms out.)
PHOEBE: I think he's right. You guys hang out at the coffee house way
too much.
..and this...
RACHEL: Where did you get the monkey?
ROSS: My friend Bethel rescued him from some lab.
PHOEBE: That is so cruel! Why would a parent name their child Bethel?
MONICA: Is he gonna live with you in your apartment? Why don't you
just get a roommate?
Ross: Nah, I dunno... I think you reach a certain age, having a roommate
is kinda pathet- (he notices how Monica & Rachel and Chandler & Joey
glance at each other, then look back at him)
>>>>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
>>>>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying
>>>>>> about four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they
>>>>>> bought, then Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They
>>>>>> can't find any, so Chandler replies that was what they went to the
>>>>>> store for in the first place.
>>>>> I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812.
>>>> That's because there wasn't one generally available. What you are
>>>> getting here from me is virtually exclusive information, known to
>>>> only a few people before I published it.
>>> How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
>>> source :)
>> Grin.
> Its the probably the guy who wrote the 813 spoiler.
Nope.
>>>>> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>>>> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
>>> ITC, TYVM! :)
>> URLCM
> Aw. Do you know most of the acronyms in your list?
It's a CUA!
>>>> I'm informed that all these scenes should make the DVD, just hope
>>>> that there isn't another cock-up, like some of the S7 'extended'
>>>> episodes.
>>> Why? Didn't all the extended episodes make it to DVD?
>> We know from filming reports that some lovely scenes did not make it
>> into the extended version. The most notorious example is Ross & Phoebe
>> duetting on bagpipes & guitar in Central Perk, that should have been
>> the tag of 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain". Everybody with a "Friends" 2002
>> calendar should have a picture of this scene up on the wall right now.
> oh, the picture looks hilarious. Maybe it will show up on a clip show.
Maybe it will show up on a Region 1 DVD.
>>>>> Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally
>>>>> started with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it
>>>>> for Joey to say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He
>>>>> sees the price of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking
>>>>> waitress, and says something about the fans not usually caring quite
>>>>> *that* much.
>>>>> oooh thats sounds really funny. They could have kept this.
>>>> Yep, and cut back on the Ross story. Don't forget that the decision
>>>> of what went in & what didn't was up to Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.
>>> Editors!
>> Well, the editors do the work, but the creators & that episode's
>> director actually decide what is in & what is out.
> For some reason, I misread 'what went in & what didn't was up to
> Kauffman, Crane, and Schwimmer.' as wasn't upto BKC and DS. Silly me.
NW
>>> I noticed 813 is longer than your older reviews. So is this
>>> your new style?
>> It isn't a new style, it's just a more complex one that I use when
>> the narrative stricture demands it. And the narrative section in 813
>> is not long at all, in fact it is the 15th shortest out of 60. The
>> narrative in my review of 614 is almost twice as long as 813's is.
>> You can have the stats if you like.
> No, I'll pass, if you don't mind. I don't have time to go thru it.
> Although, I'll look at your review of 614. You needn't repost it. I'll
> find it :)
Okay.
>>>>> Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
>>>> Okay! Is that the steamy fanfic?
>>> It wasn't very good although she's usually very good. There's only one
>>> person who writes them on ff.net and she's got quite a following
>>> there. Its not just smut. The plot and the humour is really funny and
>>> contrived. And they're all C&M fics!
>> Does she put herself into the stories?
> er..I don't know. Well, if she is, then all I can say is 'wow'. If you
> got time, you might want to check her stories out. Look up the author,
> 'Daphne' at ff.net, she's the 9th Daphne listed there, the English
> biscuit maker.
Is that an English woman who makes biscuits, or a woman who makes English
biscuits? :)
p r i y a
I guess.
> >>>>> Maybe Ross should have borrowed Phoebe's bike. :)
>
> >>>> Lol, something about doing that makes him seem like an Indian giver.
>
> >>> What's an Indian giver?
>
> >> Someone who having given, still regards the gift as their property, and
> >> tries to control its use, or even ask for it back. The worst sort even
> >> give gifts for themselves, such as Marge Simpson's bowling ball.
>
> > Oh yes, I saw that episode of Simpsons. That Homer!
>
> He even put his name on it!
I know! :)
> >>>> If you listen carefully, but in other episodes not this, you can hear
> >>>> the special foot stamp she does. Look at what kind of situations
> >>>> prompt Rachel to do that.
>
> >>> I haven't noticed the footstamp and did you say 'hear the footstamp'??
>
> >> That's right. Keep an ear open.
>
> > How can you be sure the sound is coming from her foot if you can't see
> > it? You'll have to tell which eps to check.
>
> Because sometimes you can see the foot, and it fits her mood.
>
> No promises, but check out Rachel's conflict with Monica, the not-dropped
> socks, and the swing dance non-lessons, in 502 "TOW All the Kissing".
hmmm.. haven't checked them yet? ask me again later.
>
>
> >>>>> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB
> >>>>> was brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>
> >>>> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
>
> >>> Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
>
> >> I wouldn't, I just wanted to tell you how I felt.
>
> > Oh, I'm slow at times :)
>
> Aawwww...
I said 'slow' not 'cute'. :)
> >> Well, it may not have been foreshadowing, but the only girl Joey
> >> couldn't kiss was Monica. It was up to him which of the other two he
> >> kissed.
>
> > You know, he might have chose to kiss Rachel cos he has already kissed
> > Phoebe in that episode where he wants to practice kissing a guy.
>
> Could be. What do you make of the question he asked her?
>
> RACHEL: Happy New Year, Joey!
>
> JOEY: So did that do anything for ya?
hehe what was her answer?
> >>>> Exactly. And when she got drunk, he treated her like a lady. No
> >>>> waking up next morning next to a guy with JUST MARRIED written on his
> >>>> back.
>
> >>> But Ross was drunk too! You can't blame the guy for that. Besides,
> >>> when Ross gets drunk, he sleeps with someone. ;) <ducks from R&R fans>
>
> >> I'm not blaming Ross for anything, it's just that a woman can get
> >> drunk in Joey's company, and not be taken advantage of.
>
> >> After Rachel drank wine with Ross, she had to switch to apple juice.
>
> > 615+616 were from a parallel universe. So, I don't think you should
> > use that as an example.
>
> I believe that I can as a character reference.
Okay.
>
>
> > However, you might quote the scene from 811,
> > where he turns her down when her hormones were acting up.
>
> Exactly. And also a drunken Kate Miller in 322 "TOW the Screamer".
Exactimo!
>
>
> >>> I read the other responses to your comments on this. I gotta say, 4
> >>> days away from ATF, I had a whole bunch of msgs to catch up on. My DSL
> >>> line conked out and it took 2 days for us to figure out that it our
> >>> computer wasn't at fault. :)
>
> >> Eek.
>
> > I'm sitting on my new computer now. YAY!
>
> Sitting *on* it?
Yes, yes, I sit on my keyboard and type with my butt!
And you before say it, here's the "Ew..." :)
>
>
> >>>> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug that
> >>>> Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't there.
>
> >>> Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
>
> >> <ears fingers="IN"> Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! </ears>
>
> > aw..you're so cute.
>
> <dimples>
Yours or mine? ;)
> >>>>>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the
> > machine?
>
> >>>>> Its hard to believe that Mon left it there, even if it was probably
> >>>>> just for that day.
>
> >>>> Monica seems to like things clean, she's no minimalist. Look at her
> > place.
>
> >>> I knowwww! How does do move around with knocking stuff over?
>
> >> I dunno. Maybe it's because it's a big apartment, with wide
> > passageways...
>
> > Yes but there's just way too many stuff in there. The prop team just
> > went nuts doing up the set.
>
> It expresses her personality.
Definitely.
> >>>>>> And what did Phoebe enter, something-P-B?
>
> >>>>> PPB, RPG, PHE
>
> >>>> Ah. Please explain.
>
> >>> Phoebe Phoebe Buffay (even though I don't accept that is her name)
>
> >>> Regina PhilanGe
>
> >>> PheeHE (after her bday cake)
>
> >> Oh, very clever. :)
>
> > Thanks. I figured that Phoebe didn't use any dirty initials.
>
> Indeedy, from Monica's reaction.
yeah
> >>>> I don't see why they can't give her some meaty Ursula stories.
>
> >>> Well, they need to give her something. In 803, I really didn't like
> >>> stupid story that MLB and LK had been given. At least MLBs got a good
> >>> deal going.
>
> >> That's right. And we don't have to see her with Phoebe.
>
> > A while back, you mentioned that the show might be considering LK as
> > expendable. You're probably right. Maybe she'll be the friend they
> > would do the show without. David's got a lot to do in the show, so he
> > might sign up.
>
> Who knows? My money is on a deal where the actors with itchy feet
> only appear in selected episodes.
Yeah, they can be one of the famous returning guest stars.
> >>>> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
>
> >>> Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
>
> >> DFY
>
> > Is that Delights For You or the other one?
>
> The other one.
oh? I don't have your list on my pc now. Haven't moved all the stuff
here and nishad hasn't given me access to his hard disc.. grr..
>
> >>>>>> Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in
> >>>>>> Joey's front door?
>
> >>>>> A question only the prop team can answer :)
>
> >>>> Well, my theory is that Joey is playing a trick on Ross. When the
> >>>> string is pulled, the number on the door spins round to say "61".
>
> >>> A trick on Ross so he won't bother him with Rachel? Even so, all Ross
> >>> has to do is turn around and see flat no. 20.
>
> >> No, the idea is to exact revenge for what happened in 517 "TOW Rachel's
> >> Inadvertent Kiss", by teasing Ross with his error of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
>
> > er..you lost me. I remember 801's table confusion with 6 and 9. What
> > happened in 517?
>
> When poor Joey was trying to find the hot girl, Ross kept moving his
> apartment through a parallel dimension to end up behind the doors.
oh that! Your explanation sounds like something out Twilight zone.
>
>
> >>>>>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed
> >>>>>> Chandler & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop",
> >>>>>> which prompted Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
>
> >>>>> It also reminded me of the first time they cuddled up in the LaZ
> >>>>> Boyz 3000 (did I get that right?)
>
> >>>> That's a good point, sweetie. The chair is a La-Z-Boy E-cliner 3000.
>
> >>> Yep. Rachel was so cute when she bragged about it to Chandler.
>
> >> Absolutely. Did you notice how the whole scene was played up against one
> >> side of the set, as thought the rest was filled in with something else?
>
> > Yeah, they only showed part of the living room, mostly near the door.
>
> Exactly. Most suspicious.
They'd have to show the broken barcalounger in the living room
somewhere. Maybe thats why.
>
>
> >>>>> So I looked it up on imdb.
>
> >>>> Me too. It's most convenient to have your own copy.
>
> >>> of Imdb? Are you talking about having an offline copy or do you
> >>> subscribe to them? Their rates are ridiculous.
>
> >> An offline copy, which is freely available.
>
> > How big is that? Do you have it on your hard disc or on a cd?
>
> I've just downloaded the current version, which is about 600Mb, so it
> would just fit on a CD. However, that was about 20% larger than last
> May's version, so it will soon be too large.
Whats the advantage of an offline copy. The pictures load fast and?
> >> I'm the only one in the family who likes it, but when the series was
> >> taken over by a subscription channel from Season 4 onwards, many fans
> >> could not receive it, so we all started getting together.
>
> > Good for you. I'd love to watch the show with someone who's a fan.
> > Nishad is always cribbing about how the older seasons were funny and
> > keeping saying 'oh please'. Now, I only let him watch it with me, if
> > he promises to keep his mouth shut. :)
>
> Well, after watching "Friends" one day, the gang then viewed "Charlie's
> Angel's" on DVD, and we all enjoyed tearing that to shreds.
Its always fun to watch a bad movie with friends.
> >>>>>> Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
>
> >>>>> Well, if he does, he'll be too preoccupied to beat Chandler's score.
>
> >>>> He might need something to take his mind off his troubles.
>
> >>> A while back, Rachel might have played with him. Remember the drums?
>
> >> Oh yes, they would all play, except Ross.
>
> > Why? Do you think that Ross doesn't play video games. He was playing
> > with Joey's on the playstation during the Janine eps. She walks into
> > the apartment and Ross mumbles something about 'not' playing video
> > games.
>
> That's why. Ross does play video games, but he & Phoebe like to be
> the grown-ups over the four younger ones in the group, as in...
>
> <snip quotes>
Okay but Phoebe was playing the pacman game like a kid.
>
>
> >>>>>> According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser
> >>>>>> had C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying
> >>>>>> about four bags of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they
> >>>>>> bought, then Monica asks which bag the paper towels are in. They
> >>>>>> can't find any, so Chandler replies that was what they went to the
> >>>>>> store for in the first place.
>
> >>>>> I didn't know there was a spoiler for 812.
>
> >>>> That's because there wasn't one generally available. What you are
> >>>> getting here from me is virtually exclusive information, known to
> >>>> only a few people before I published it.
>
> >>> How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
> >>> source :)
>
> >> Grin.
>
> > Its the probably the guy who wrote the 813 spoiler.
>
> Nope.
You'd think, I would have learnt not to ask you these questions by
now. And I have. So, onwards...
>
>
> >>>>> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>
> >>>> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
>
> >>> ITC, TYVM! :)
>
> >> URLCM
>
> > Aw. Do you know most of the acronyms in your list?
>
> It's a CUA!
oh wait! <leaves for the next room>
Okay, I got it. About the DFY, what language is that?
> >>>> I'm informed that all these scenes should make the DVD, just hope
> >>>> that there isn't another cock-up, like some of the S7 'extended'
> >>>> episodes.
>
> >>> Why? Didn't all the extended episodes make it to DVD?
>
> >> We know from filming reports that some lovely scenes did not make it
> >> into the extended version. The most notorious example is Ross & Phoebe
> >> duetting on bagpipes & guitar in Central Perk, that should have been
> >> the tag of 715 "TOW Joey's New Brain". Everybody with a "Friends" 2002
> >> calendar should have a picture of this scene up on the wall right now.
>
> > oh, the picture looks hilarious. Maybe it will show up on a clip show.
>
> Maybe it will show up on a Region 1 DVD.
Maybe, baby! :)
> >>> I noticed 813 is longer than your older reviews. So is this
> >>> your new style?
>
> >> It isn't a new style, it's just a more complex one that I use when
> >> the narrative stricture demands it. And the narrative section in 813
> >> is not long at all, in fact it is the 15th shortest out of 60. The
> >> narrative in my review of 614 is almost twice as long as 813's is.
>
> >> You can have the stats if you like.
>
> > No, I'll pass, if you don't mind. I don't have time to go thru it.
> > Although, I'll look at your review of 614. You needn't repost it. I'll
> > find it :)
>
> Okay.
Just read it. You've haven't separated the review like you do now. So,
I'm a little confused as to which part is the narration and where you
start asking questions. It seems smaller than the rest if you ask me.
Three paras for the first story and 2 each for the others. Just to
check, is this the full review ?
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=na.bdc9fb49ae.a70320tennant%40argonet.co.uk&rnum=1
> >>>>> Okay, I'm off to finish that fic now! ;)
>
> >>>> Okay! Is that the steamy fanfic?
>
> >>> It wasn't very good although she's usually very good. There's only one
> >>> person who writes them on ff.net and she's got quite a following
> >>> there. Its not just smut. The plot and the humour is really funny and
> >>> contrived. And they're all C&M fics!
>
> >> Does she put herself into the stories?
>
> > er..I don't know. Well, if she is, then all I can say is 'wow'. If you
> > got time, you might want to check her stories out. Look up the author,
> > 'Daphne' at ff.net, she's the 9th Daphne listed there, the English
> > biscuit maker.
>
> Is that an English woman who makes biscuits, or a woman who makes English
> biscuits? :)
English woman who makes biscuits. I don't know what kind of biscuits,
though. :)
I like her fics cos they usually followup a plot from the show. Its
just like Friends but with NC17 stuff. :)
Priya
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.1b60894b06...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>>>>> If you listen carefully, but in other episodes not this, you can
>>>>>> hear the special foot stamp she does. Look at what kind of
>>>>>> situations prompt Rachel to do that.
>>>>> I haven't noticed the footstamp and did you say 'hear the footstamp'??
>>>> That's right. Keep an ear open.
>>> How can you be sure the sound is coming from her foot if you can't see
>>> it? You'll have to tell which eps to check.
>> Because sometimes you can see the foot, and it fits her mood.
>> No promises, but check out Rachel's conflict with Monica, the
>> not-dropped socks, and the swing dance non-lessons, in 502 "TOW All the
>> Kissing".
> hmmm.. haven't checked them yet? ask me again later.
Okay, it's now later.
>>>>>>> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB
>>>>>>> was brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>>>>>> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
>>>>> Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
>>>> I wouldn't, I just wanted to tell you how I felt.
>>> Oh, I'm slow at times :)
>> Aawwww...
> I said 'slow' not 'cute'. :)
That's why there was an extra "aw" in the "Awww".
>>>> Well, it may not have been foreshadowing, but the only girl Joey
>>>> couldn't kiss was Monica. It was up to him which of the other two he
>>>> kissed.
>>> You know, he might have chose to kiss Rachel cos he has already kissed
>>> Phoebe in that episode where he wants to practice kissing a guy.
>> Could be. What do you make of the question he asked her?
>> RACHEL: Happy New Year, Joey!
>> JOEY: So did that do anything for ya?
> hehe what was her answer?
It's all in her face as she walks away.
>>> However, you might quote the scene from 811,
>>> where he turns her down when her hormones were acting up.
>> Exactly. And also a drunken Kate Miller in 322 "TOW the Screamer".
> Exactimo!
Indeedy.
>>> I'm sitting on my new computer now. YAY!
>> Sitting *on* it?
> Yes, yes, I sit on my keyboard and type with my butt!
> And you before say it, here's the "Ew..." :)
I wasn't going say "Ew...", I was going to ask about your very pointy butt.
>>>>>> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug
>>>>>> that Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't
>>>>>> there.
>>>>> Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
>>>> <ears fingers="IN"> Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! </ears>
>>> aw..you're so cute.
>> <dimples>
> Yours or mine? ;)
In that case, they were mine, but I was minded of yours.
>> My money is on a deal where the actors with itchy feet
>> only appear in selected episodes.
> Yeah, they can be one of the famous returning guest stars.
Something like that.
>>>>>> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
>>>>> Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
>>>> DFY
>>> Is that Delights For You or the other one?
>> The other one.
> oh? I don't have your list on my pc now. Haven't moved all the stuff
> here and nishad hasn't given me access to his hard disc.. grr..
If you have a cheap fast connection, just email the lot to yourself.
>>>> The idea is to exact revenge for what happened in 517 "TOW Rachel's
>>>> Inadvertent Kiss", by teasing Ross with his error of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
>>> er..you lost me. I remember 801's table confusion with 6 and 9. What
>>> happened in 517?
>> When poor Joey was trying to find the hot girl, Ross kept moving his
>> apartment through a parallel dimension to end up behind the doors.
> oh that! Your explanation sounds like something out Twilight zone.
I knowww...
>>> Yeah, they only showed part of the living room, mostly near the door.
>> Exactly. Most suspicious.
> They'd have to show the broken barcalounger in the living room
> somewhere. Maybe thats why.
Ooh, I hadn't thought of that.
>> I've just downloaded the current version, which is about 600Mb, so it
>> would just fit on a CD. However, that was about 20% larger than last
>> May's version, so it will soon be too large.
> Whats the advantage of an offline copy. The pictures load fast and?
Nope. It's that you can only do with the online version what *they* want
you to do, you can't do what *you* want to do. It's the difference between
holding your mother's hand at the beach, and running free across the sand.
>>>> I'm the only one in the family who likes it, but when the series was
>>>> taken over by a subscription channel from Season 4 onwards, many fans
>>>> could not receive it, so we all started getting together.
>>> Good for you. I'd love to watch the show with someone who's a fan.
>>> Nishad is always cribbing about how the older seasons were funny and
>>> keeping saying 'oh please'. Now, I only let him watch it with me, if
>>> he promises to keep his mouth shut. :)
>> Well, after watching "Friends" one day, the gang then viewed "Charlie's
>> Angel's" on DVD, and we all enjoyed tearing that to shreds.
> Its always fun to watch a bad movie with friends.
Yep. I like the bit where the office exploded, then we saw a montage of
the Bill Murray character locked up for days or weeks, and then it went
back to the girls in the wreckage, and the sirens were just sounding.
Did you know that when Drew Barrymore's character fell down the hillside
to land by a house where two boys played a video game, that was the same
house where she was a little girl in the film "ET"? They put an "ET" up
poster on the wall, and other "ET" memorabilia on the book shelves.
>> Ross does play video games, but he & Phoebe like to be
>> the grown-ups over the four younger ones in the group, as in...
>> <snip quotes>
> Okay but Phoebe was playing the pacman game like a kid.
Exactly.
>>>>> How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
>>>>> source :)
>>>> Grin.
>>> Its the probably the guy who wrote the 813 spoiler.
>> Nope.
> You'd think, I would have learnt not to ask you these questions by
> now. And I have. So, onwards...
Look at it this way - when you confide in me, you know you can trust me.
>>>>>>> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>>>>>> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
>>>>> ITC, TYVM! :)
>>>> URLCM
>>> Aw. Do you know most of the acronyms in your list?
>> It's a CUA!
> oh wait! <leaves for the next room>
> Okay, I got it. About the DFY, what language is that?
Sort of Scottish.
>>> The picture looks hilarious. Maybe it will show up on a clip show.
>> Maybe it will show up on a Region 1 DVD.
> Maybe, baby! :)
<Gleefully rubs hands with fingers crossed>
>>>>> I noticed 813 is longer than your older reviews. So is this
>>>>> your new style?
>>>> It isn't a new style, it's just a more complex one that I use when
>>>> the narrative stricture demands it. And the narrative section in 813
>>>> is not long at all, in fact it is the 15th shortest out of 60. The
>>>> narrative in my review of 614 is almost twice as long as 813's is.
>>>> You can have the stats if you like.
>>> No, I'll pass, if you don't mind. I don't have time to go thru it.
>>> Although, I'll look at your review of 614. You needn't repost it. I'll
>>> find it :)
>> Okay.
> Just read it. You've haven't separated the review like you do now. So,
> I'm a little confused as to which part is the narration and where you
> start asking questions. It seems smaller than the rest if you ask me.
> Three paras for the first story and 2 each for the others. Just to
> check, is this the full review ?
<URL snipped>
That is a very early version, from when I was still learning.
This is why I always say it's much better that I repost reviews.
Would you like me to do that?
>>> You might want to check her stories out. Look up the author,
>>> 'Daphne' at ff.net, she's the 9th Daphne listed there, the
>>> English biscuit maker.
>> Is that an English woman who makes biscuits, or a woman who makes
>> English biscuits? :)
> English woman who makes biscuits. I don't know what kind of biscuits,
> though. :)
Okay.
> I like her fics cos they usually followup a plot from the show. Its
> just like Friends but with NC17 stuff. :)
Well, it's only weird if she puts herself into the stories.
p r i y a
<goes to get the disc>
Okay saw it, no I heard it. :) It was only during the not=dropped
socks bit. But I thought we were discussing the laugh and footstamp
when she's around Joey.
>
>
> >>>>>>> Terrific scene. The fears and anxieties just shining through; MLB
> >>>>>>> was brilliant in his portrayal of Joey's new vulnerability.
>
> >>>>>> Absolutely. I'm so glad you saw this story the way I did, sweetie.
>
> >>>>> Oh for sure. Why would you think otherwise?
>
> >>>> I wouldn't, I just wanted to tell you how I felt.
>
> >>> Oh, I'm slow at times :)
>
> >> Aawwww...
>
> > I said 'slow' not 'cute'. :)
>
> That's why there was an extra "aw" in the "Awww".
Ohhh! :)
>
>
> >>>> Well, it may not have been foreshadowing, but the only girl Joey
> >>>> couldn't kiss was Monica. It was up to him which of the other two he
> >>>> kissed.
>
> >>> You know, he might have chose to kiss Rachel cos he has already kissed
> >>> Phoebe in that episode where he wants to practice kissing a guy.
>
> >> Could be. What do you make of the question he asked her?
>
> >> RACHEL: Happy New Year, Joey!
>
> >> JOEY: So did that do anything for ya?
>
> > hehe what was her answer?
>
> It's all in her face as she walks away.
<goes thru disc again>
Bad labeling. I couldn't find it.
>
> >>> I'm sitting on my new computer now. YAY!
>
> >> Sitting *on* it?
>
> > Yes, yes, I sit on my keyboard and type with my butt!
>
> > And you before say it, here's the "Ew..." :)
>
> I wasn't going say "Ew...", I was going to ask about your very pointy butt.
LOL
>
>
> >>>>>> Grin. When the R+R fans discussed the spoiler, they were so smug
> >>>>>> that Rachel would move into Ross's building, it's as well I wasn't
> >>>>>> there.
>
> >>>>> Well, you're lucky you're not reading 814 discussions.
>
> >>>> <ears fingers="IN"> Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! </ears>
>
> >>> aw..you're so cute.
>
> >> <dimples>
>
> > Yours or mine? ;)
>
> In that case, they were mine, but I was minded of yours.
ISHBISSYTS
>
>
>
> >>>>>> I wasn't trying to be fair, it was a sarcastic comment, sweetie. :)
>
> >>>>> Well, I wasn't the only one who didn't get it :)
>
> >>>> DFY
>
> >>> Is that Delights For You or the other one?
>
> >> The other one.
>
> > oh? I don't have your list on my pc now. Haven't moved all the stuff
> > here and nishad hasn't given me access to his hard disc.. grr..
>
> If you have a cheap fast connection, just email the lot to yourself.
I've moved them now.
>
>
> >>>> The idea is to exact revenge for what happened in 517 "TOW Rachel's
> >>>> Inadvertent Kiss", by teasing Ross with his error of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
>
> >>> er..you lost me. I remember 801's table confusion with 6 and 9. What
> >>> happened in 517?
>
> >> When poor Joey was trying to find the hot girl, Ross kept moving his
> >> apartment through a parallel dimension to end up behind the doors.
>
> > oh that! Your explanation sounds like something out Twilight zone.
>
> I knowww...
Yep.
>
>
> >>> Yeah, they only showed part of the living room, mostly near the door.
>
> >> Exactly. Most suspicious.
>
> > They'd have to show the broken barcalounger in the living room
> > somewhere. Maybe thats why.
>
> Ooh, I hadn't thought of that.
Yeah, they might not have wanted to bother with placing a broken
barcalounger amidst all the stuff in the living room.
> >> I've just downloaded the current version, which is about 600Mb, so it
> >> would just fit on a CD. However, that was about 20% larger than last
> >> May's version, so it will soon be too large.
>
> > Whats the advantage of an offline copy. The pictures load fast and?
>
> Nope. It's that you can only do with the online version what *they* want
> you to do, you can't do what *you* want to do. It's the difference between
> holding your mother's hand at the beach, and running free across the sand.
oooh! But I can't imagine what you do with it. Do you edit the text?
Say, change the summary/reviews of movies you don't like...
>
> > Its always fun to watch a bad movie with friends.
>
> Yep. I like the bit where the office exploded, then we saw a montage of
> the Bill Murray character locked up for days or weeks, and then it went
> back to the girls in the wreckage, and the sirens were just sounding.
oh yeah, I remember a little bit. I hadn't noticed it while watching
the movie. Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very
good at it too.
> Did you know that when Drew Barrymore's character fell down the hillside
> to land by a house where two boys played a video game, that was the same
> house where she was a little girl in the film "ET"? They put an "ET" up
> poster on the wall, and other "ET" memorabilia on the book shelves.
Oh, nice but I totally missed it. I was only looking at Drew.
> >>>>> How'd you get it? no, scratch that question. It must be some secret
> >>>>> source :)
>
> >>>> Grin.
>
> >>> Its the probably the guy who wrote the 813 spoiler.
>
> >> Nope.
>
> > You'd think, I would have learnt not to ask you these questions by
> > now. And I have. So, onwards...
>
> Look at it this way - when you confide in me, you know you can trust me.
I understand that, which is why I'm not going to ask such questions
anymore. :)
You won't believe how long it took me to understand what you wrote. I
came up with three interpretations. One didn't make any sense, the
second one I didn't like and the third one is correct, hopefully.
> >>>>>>> Had I known, I would have read it; good thing I didn't know. :)
>
> >>>>>> Hehe, that's why I didn't tell anyone, to save people like you. :)
>
> >>>>> ITC, TYVM! :)
>
> >>>> URLCM
>
> >>> Aw. Do you know most of the acronyms in your list?
>
> >> It's a CUA!
>
> > oh wait! <leaves for the next room>
>
> > Okay, I got it. About the DFY, what language is that?
>
> Sort of Scottish.
Okay.
> >>> The picture looks hilarious. Maybe it will show up on a clip show.
>
> >> Maybe it will show up on a Region 1 DVD.
>
> > Maybe, baby! :)
>
> <Gleefully rubs hands with fingers crossed>
hehe, do you get hungry during grace?
> > Just read it. You've haven't separated the review like you do now. So,
> > I'm a little confused as to which part is the narration and where you
> > start asking questions. It seems smaller than the rest if you ask me.
> > Three paras for the first story and 2 each for the others. Just to
> > check, is this the full review ?
>
> <URL snipped>
>
> That is a very early version, from when I was still learning.
>
> This is why I always say it's much better that I repost reviews.
>
> Would you like me to do that?
Alright, thanks.
>
> > I like her fics cos they usually followup a plot from the show. Its
> > just like Friends but with NC17 stuff. :)
>
> Well, it's only weird if she puts herself into the stories.
Nope, its always just Chandler & Monica.
Priya
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.6499554b07...@argonet.co.uk>...
> <goes to get the disc>
> Okay saw it, no I heard it. :) It was only during the not=dropped
> socks bit. But I thought we were discussing the laugh and footstamp
> when she's around Joey.
She does the laugh only for Joey, and she does the footstamp only
when she is frustrated or conflicted. If Joey made her feel like
that, then she would stamp her foot at him; but of course he puts
Rachel at her ease, and makes her feel good about herself.
Now that you have heard the footstamp, and seen the circumstances
in which she does it, be alert for the many other occasions.
>>>> What do you make of the question he asked her?
>>>> RACHEL: Happy New Year, Joey!
>>>> JOEY: So did that do anything for ya?
>>> hehe what was her answer?
>> It's all in her face as she walks away.
> <goes thru disc again>
> Bad labeling. I couldn't find it.
Hang on <pops the disc in> it's at 01:15 on track 3 chapter 1.
BTW, I left the DVD of 511 running, and at the end Joey & Rachel are so
sympatico, it's amazing. You can see how she respects his intelligence;
then after they exit, Phoebe presumes that they are 'doing it'.
>>>>> aw..you're so cute.
>>>> <dimples>
>>> Yours or mine? ;)
>> In that case, they were mine, but I was minded of yours.
> ISHBISSYTS
JO
>>>>>> DFY
>>>>> Is that Delights For You or the other one?
>>>> The other one.
>>> oh? I don't have your list on my pc now. Haven't moved all the stuff
>>> here and nishad hasn't given me access to his hard disc.. grr..
>> If you have a cheap fast connection, just email the lot to yourself.
> I've moved them now.
Well done, sweetie.
>>>>> Yeah, they only showed part of the living room, mostly near the door.
>>>> Exactly. Most suspicious.
>>> They'd have to show the broken barcalounger in the living room
>>> somewhere. Maybe thats why.
>> Ooh, I hadn't thought of that.
> Yeah, they might not have wanted to bother with placing a broken
> barcalounger amidst all the stuff in the living room.
Especially if the real barcaloungers weren't broken.
>> You can only do with the online version what *they* want you to do, you
>> cannot do what *you* want to do. It is the difference between holding
>> your mother's hand at the beach, and running free across the sand.
> oooh! But I can't imagine what you do with it. Do you edit the text?
Only very slightly.
The episode numbers for "Friends" need to be incremented by 1 in the
first season, and in the second season following "TOA the Superbowl".
> Say, change the summary/reviews of movies you don't like...
That would be silly. I ask my own questions, as opposed to all those
which they assumed would be asked. You have seen me do this many many
times, when I've used the IMDb as a resource to investigate something
that can't be done with the online version.
Next time this happens, I'll point it out, so make sure to read all
of my posts, not just the ones specifically for you.
>>> Its always fun to watch a bad movie with friends.
>> Yep. I like the bit where the office exploded, then we saw a montage of
>> the Bill Murray character locked up for days or weeks, and then it went
>> back to the girls in the wreckage, and the sirens were just sounding.
> oh yeah, I remember a little bit. I hadn't noticed it while watching
> the movie.
It's where they spoof all the best prison movies.
> Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very good at it too.
Me too, but it's even more fun to undo other people's goofs.
>> Did you know that when Drew Barrymore's character fell down the hillside
>> to land by a house where two boys played a video game, that was the same
>> house where she was a little girl in the film "ET"? They put an "ET" up
>> poster on the wall, and other "ET" memorabilia on the book shelves.
> Oh, nice but I totally missed it. I was only looking at Drew.
Hehe, for sure, but I heard about it on the director's commentary.
>>> You'd think, I would have learnt not to ask you these questions by
>>> now. And I have. So, onwards...
>> Look at it this way - when you confide in me, you know you can trust me.
> I understand that, which is why I'm not going to ask such questions
> anymore. :)
Yeah. :)
> You won't believe how long it took me to understand what you wrote. I
> came up with three interpretations. One didn't make any sense, the
> second one I didn't like and the third one is correct, hopefully.
Aawwww...
>>>>> The picture looks hilarious. Maybe it will show up on a clip show.
>>>> Maybe it will show up on a Region 1 DVD.
>>> Maybe, baby! :)
>> <Gleefully rubs hands with fingers crossed>
> hehe, do you get hungry during grace?
Not during, you're already hungry when grace begins.
>>> Just read it. You've haven't separated the review like you do now. So,
>>> I'm a little confused as to which part is the narration and where you
>>> start asking questions. It seems smaller than the rest if you ask me.
>>> Three paras for the first story and 2 each for the others. Just to
>>> check, is this the full review ?
>> <URL snipped>
>> That is a very early version, from when I was still learning.
>> This is why I always say it's much better that I repost reviews.
>> Would you like me to do that?
> Alright, thanks.
Okay, I'll repost 614 as soon as I send this.
>>> I like her fics cos they usually follow up a plot from the show. Its
>>> just like Friends but with NC17 stuff. :)
>> Well, it's only weird if she puts herself into the stories.
> Nope, its always just Chandler & Monica.
Good.
BTW, check out my review of 815, now up.
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.ac23a64b06...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>>>>> The Bing Times? (for some things don't change.)
>>>>> The Bing Webring?
>>>> Lol, that would be full of porn...
>>> And funny musicals. But it would be the most appropriate for the
>>> family, don't you think?
>> For the old Bings yes, but not the new Bings.
> I don't agree with you for a couple of reasons.
> a) Chandler was talking to Rachel about musicals in 406 TOW The Dirty
> Girl (Rent and Grease).
> b) Chandler was still searching for porn on the web in 805 TOW
> Rachel's Date.
> c) Joey also revealed that Chandler had porn on his computer in 621
> TOW Ross Meets Elizabeth's Dad.
> d) Monica was in The Sound of Music when she was in high-school. (119
> TOW The Monkey Gets Away)
> e) is a reason I cannot talk about yet, sorry.
Well, I wasn't arguing about the musicals, just the need for porn,
and I've said before that (c) might just be how the computer was
left set up - but I can't argue with (b) and (e), so okay.
Damn! I was going to disagree with your "couple of reasons", since in
fact you listed five, but I eliminated three so you're right again! :)
>>> Yes, especially after his started his rant about the sewer system.
>> Exactly. But while Rachel would have taunted him about that, and
>> Mona would have pretended to like it, Phoebe would have shown a
>> genuine interest in what Ross had to say.
> Good point. ;)
Thanks.
>>>>> Gosh, I wish we could have seen the latter, even though Nora strikes
>>>>> me as rather easy-going with other *women*.
>>>> Ah, but just wait until Nora sees Judy sink her claws into Monica.
>>> Do you think she's protective of her daughter-in-law?
>> More than she would be of Monica Geller.
> Oh, clever. ;)
<Beams with pride>
>> Well, "Quills" isn't as good a movie, but Winslet is better.
> IC. Have you seen Iris? She's supposed to be really good in that one.
Not yet. The critics here are complaining that old Iris was sanitised,
for Alzheimer's has far more debilitating effects than those shown.
>>> My friend decided that I needed short hair. I had long curls down to
>>> my waist at the time, so she cut off my hair over my ears. The curls
>>> that were left had to go as well, so I ended up looking like a boy for
>>> quite a few years after that.
>> Oh well, a big change like that was just asking for trouble. Sorry.
> I didn't ask for it! I was four years old for chrissakes! <g>
Oh! Well, you didn't say!!!
> To make a long story short (no pun intended), she pulled out her
> scissors and started cutting before I had no idea what was going on.
My big sister once shaved all the hair off my teddy bear. :(
(I hasten to add I was much younger than four years old at the time)
>>> Matt Damon's guest appearance on Will & Grace.
>> Oh, pardon me for not getting excited about that...
> I saw a couple of scenes of the episodes, and he was really good
> actually! It wasn't a patch on 815, though. :)
Indeed not.
>>>>> Jack Geller would be thrilled since it could serve as some sort of
>>>>> sick preview of his own funeral.
>>>> They could put his body on ice at the beach house.
>>> Ewww.. Knowing how weird Jack is, he would probably think that's a
>>> good idea.
>> Yep, just as long as they didn't change the carpets, or put a new bath in.
> They would probably do that now that Monica is married.
They would, wouldn't they? Those people.
>>> Yes, his series on the WB isn't doing that well at the moment.
>> Maybe, but it's a great success compared with Hank Azaria's new series.
> Well, yeah. It might be. The sitcom with the most viewers, Inside
> Schwartz, was after all cancelled a couple of weeks ago.
Did you mean the WB sitcom with the most viewers?
>>> Yep, I think Rachel will change even more after the baby is born.
>> Indeed, it's going to be such fun watching the baby grow up.
> At least for one year. :)
And then? Will money talk?
>>>>> I guess we'll have to wait and see. I just hope they'll announce
>>>>> something before they shoot the finale.
>>>> The last time we heard only a couple of days before the finale aired.
>>> I know, and I don't want that kind of end all over again.
>> Well, I've got my ankles crossed...
> Looks like it worked. :)
Told ya!!!
>>> That's true. Perhaps Chandler should borrow the books afterwards in
>>> order to be prepared for the future.
>> Ooh no, that's hubris.
> Not necessarily. Ross read The Big Book of Children's Names, and in
> the words of Mr Geller himself, "[he keeps] knocking people up."
Hunfft. Ross read The Big Book of Children's Names, and then he chose
the name Emily. High up on Mt.Olympus, Hubris grinned to herself...
>>> I thought so. Yes, that was a beautiful scene. Ross was the lovely
>>> hero who desperately wanted to rescue Rachel, but was never allowed
>>> to. That was a great, classic Friends-scene, although not as amazing
>>> as the kiss in the end of 207.
>> I bet that every time you see the scene again, you're just a little
>> bit afraid that Rachel won't be able to get the door open...
> I watched that episode a couple of days ago, and it's pure magic.
Absolutely. Now, this is in rot13 for the end of 815...
Ohg jura Ebff fgbbq bhgfvqr Prageny Crex, crrevat vafvqr, jnvgvat sbe
gur qbbe gb bcra ba uvf eryngvbafuvc jvgu Enpury; yvggyr qvq jr ernyvfr
gung fvk lrnef yngre vg jbhyq raq jvgu uvz onpx va gung qbbejnl, snpvat
gur bgure jnl, naq jnvgvat sbe gur qbbe gb pybfr oruvaq uvz...
> No wonder we enjoyed the couple back then. All the mess that came
> afterwards is just forgotten in those last couple of minutes of that
> episode. I was a *huge* RnR fan back then, so my friends and I were
> so relieved they had finally hooked up..
Well of course, by the end of 207, we thought that they had.
>>>>> The chairs were pretty funny.
>>>> Those too. And the Porsche.
>>> Absolutely. I'd like to have the car and the chair, actually.
>> You'll never get the chair inside the car!
> Well, I'd rather have the car. ;)
Told ya!
>>> Yeah, perhaps Phoebe needs to drag him into one of Monica's closets to
>>> talk some sense into him.
>> Perhaps Phoebe needs to drag him into one of Monica's closets to
>> rip his clothes off, and show him just how bendy she is.
> You wish. Smil. :)
Indeedy!
>>> I wonder if Chandler hides anything from his wife in those closets?
>> He's probably got Janice in there.
> In the gym bag? ;)
How big is the bag?
>>> The Sixth Sense, What Lies Beneath, and when I wanted to see the ring
>>> in 623.
>> And the guy wearing jeans in "Gladiator".
> I don't have that on DVD, but I managed to spot the desert behind
> Southampton in "Titanic."
And "Charlie's Angels" obeys one of the Golden Rules Of Movies,
wherein you don't hear a nearby helicopter until you see it.
>>>>> Perhaps Chandler's fiancée's karma ran over Phoebe's friends' dogma
>>>>> after 708?
>>>> That's very likely!
>>> Yep, especially since the thieves who stole Rachel's boyfriend's karma
>>> didn't hit the dogma.
>> Only because Rachel's ex-roomie had it hidden in Rachel's ex-ex-roomie's
>> beautiful guest bedroom.
> Lol.
Hehe.
>>> They may need it, yes! I tried to tell a friend of mine about the
>>> DVD-system in Europe and the rest of the world, and he was green
>>> with envy.
>> Your very existence reminds them that Europe is out there, somewhere...
> Yes, some of them need to be reminded of that.
So be yourself sweetie, don't fade away.
>>>> There must be many surprises though - look at the extended 309.
>>> Definitely. Perhaps they'll release all of them uncut in the USA. :)
>> I'm hoping so, I shall definitely be buying them.
> Me too.
The latest news on Angel's Friends is that all 24 episodes are indeed
uncut, but I'm not so sure if I can trust the information, since the
episode descriptions were rather dodgy - from "Ross takes an apartment
in Monica's building to be closer to his friends" in 101 to "Joey lets
it slip that he is in love with Rachel" in 124.
>>> Thanks. Five weeks to go now! :)
>> Yay!!!
>> Can I talk about the director now?
> Sure, go ahead. :)
It's Jennifer Aniston! Oh wait, you already know.
p r i y a
Alrighty.
>
> >>>> What do you make of the question he asked her?
>
> >>>> RACHEL: Happy New Year, Joey!
>
> >>>> JOEY: So did that do anything for ya?
>
> >>> hehe what was her answer?
>
> >> It's all in her face as she walks away.
>
> > <goes thru disc again>
>
> > Bad labeling. I couldn't find it.
>
> Hang on <pops the disc in> it's at 01:15 on track 3 chapter 1.
>
> BTW, I left the DVD of 511 running, and at the end Joey & Rachel are so
> sympatico, it's amazing. You can see how she respects his intelligence;
> then after they exit, Phoebe presumes that they are 'doing it'.
Oh that scene. Yeah, that was funny.
> >> You can only do with the online version what *they* want you to do, you
> >> cannot do what *you* want to do. It is the difference between holding
> >> your mother's hand at the beach, and running free across the sand.
>
> > oooh! But I can't imagine what you do with it. Do you edit the text?
>
> Only very slightly.
>
> The episode numbers for "Friends" need to be incremented by 1 in the
> first season, and in the second season following "TOA the Superbowl".
oh, okay.
>
>
> > Say, change the summary/reviews of movies you don't like...
>
> That would be silly. I ask my own questions, as opposed to all those
> which they assumed would be asked. You have seen me do this many many
> times, when I've used the IMDb as a resource to investigate something
> that can't be done with the online version.
oh like that. Okay, I didn't know what you meant when you said
'running on the beach'. :)
>
> Next time this happens, I'll point it out, so make sure to read all
> of my posts, not just the ones specifically for you.
oh, but I do read other posts as much as my schedule permits. I'm
afraid I can't read all of the posts. So if you've mention something
in a thread with someone else just mention in your posts to me and
I'll check it out if I've missed it, okay?
> > Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very good at it too.
>
> Me too, but it's even more fun to undo other people's goofs.
hehe. Doesn't the Imdb have a list of goofs and scenes mistaken as
goofs?
> >> Did you know that when Drew Barrymore's character fell down the hillside
> >> to land by a house where two boys played a video game, that was the same
> >> house where she was a little girl in the film "ET"? They put an "ET" up
> >> poster on the wall, and other "ET" memorabilia on the book shelves.
>
> > Oh, nice but I totally missed it. I was only looking at Drew.
>
> Hehe, for sure, but I heard about it on the director's commentary.
Okay, so you were looking at Drew too? ;)
Priya
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.7831824b09...@argonet.co.uk>...
> Alrighty.
I was just checking out the DVD of 214 "TOW the Prom Video", when I
noticed that Rachel does a footstamp just after she says "deviated
septum" at 16:24 - you only hear it, mind, not see it.
>> BTW, I left the DVD of 511 running, and at the end Joey & Rachel are so
>> sympatico, it's amazing. You can see how she respects his intelligence;
>> then after they exit, Phoebe presumes that they are 'doing it'.
> Oh that scene. Yeah, that was funny.
Absolutely.
>>>> You can only do with the online version what *they* want you to do,
>>>> you cannot do what *you* want to do. It is the difference between
>>>> holding your mother's hand at the beach, and running free across the
>>>> sand.
>>> oooh! But I can't imagine what you do with it. Do you edit the text?
>> That would be silly. I ask my own questions, as opposed to all those
>> which they assumed would be asked. You have seen me do this many many
>> times, when I've used the IMDb as a resource to investigate something
>> that can't be done with the online version.
> oh like that. Okay, I didn't know what you meant when you said
> 'running on the beach'. :)
Can you remember being a tiny little girl, holding your mother's hand?
>> Next time this happens, I'll point it out, so make sure to read all
>> of my posts, not just the ones specifically for you.
> oh, but I do read other posts as much as my schedule permits. I'm
> afraid I can't read all of the posts. So if you've mention something
> in a thread with someone else just mention in your posts to me and
> I'll check it out if I've missed it, okay?
Well, I've just been reminding Marita how I listed the 10 best & worst
ever Norwegian movies for her, by cross-correlating the ratings with the
countries of origin.
>>> Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very good at it too.
>> Me too, but it's even more fun to undo other people's goofs.
> hehe. Doesn't the Imdb have a list of goofs and scenes mistaken as goofs?
That's right, so you check out other people's goofs when you happen
to watch a movie, and if you're lucky, or perspicacious, see where
they have been mistaken, and get those added to the list.
>>>> Did you know that when Drew Barrymore's character fell down the
>>>> hillside to land by a house where two boys played a video game, that
>>>> was the same house where she was a little girl in the film "ET"? They
>>>> put an "ET" up poster on the wall, and other "ET" memorabilia on the
>>>> book shelves.
>>> Oh, nice but I totally missed it. I was only looking at Drew.
>> Hehe, for sure, but I heard about it on the director's commentary.
> Okay, so you were looking at Drew too? ;)
Yes when I watched the movie, no when I listened to the commentary.
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hehe, thanks. <takes a bow>
<applauds>
>>>> Well, "Quills" isn't as good a movie, but Winslet is better.
>>> IC. Have you seen Iris? She's supposed to be really good in that one.
>> Not yet. The critics here are complaining that old Iris was sanitised,
>> for Alzheimer's has far more debilitating effects than those shown.
> Oh, I see. I've only heard rave reviews for Winslet and Dench.
Yep, but those critics have got a point.
>> My big sister once shaved all the hair off my teddy bear. :(
>> (I hasten to add I was much younger than four years old at the time)
> Aww...
<sniff>
>>> They would probably do that now that Monica is married.
>> They would, wouldn't they? Those people.
> If we only could get to see their reaction to the baby news..
It should be in the extended version of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
>>> Well, yeah. It might be. The sitcom with the most viewers, Inside
>>> Schwartz, was after all cancelled a couple of weeks ago.
>> Did you mean the WB sitcom with the most viewers?
> No, it was the new sitcom on American TV with the most viewers.
> However, it didn't manage to keep enough of its lead-in audience from
> Friends, so it was cancelled.
Ah.
>>>> Indeed, it's going to be such fun watching the baby grow up.
>>> At least for one year. :)
>> And then? Will money talk?
> No, I'm pretty sure they'll walk; only they won't walk, they'll drive
> away from stage 24 in their Porsches and be very happy with the
> outcome of the last nine years.
:(
>>> Not necessarily. Ross read The Big Book of Children's Names, and in
>>> the words of Mr Geller himself, "[he keeps] knocking people up."
>> Hunfft. Ross read The Big Book of Children's Names, and then he chose
>> the name Emily. High up on Mt.Olympus, Hubris grinned to herself...
> Yeah.
> I guess you can say that Ross is the Friends version of Sisyphus, only
> instead of a big rock, he's trying to make his relationships work, but
> when he starts to think he might make it, it blows up in his face, and
> he has to start all over again..
Ooh, clever.
>>>> I bet that every time you see the scene again, you're just a little
>>>> bit afraid that Rachel won't be able to get the door open...
>>> I watched that episode a couple of days ago, and it's pure magic.
>> Absolutely. Now, this is in rot13 for the end of 815...
>> Ohg jura Ebff fgbbq bhgfvqr Prageny Crex, crrevat vafvqr, jnvgvat sbe
>> gur qbbe gb bcra ba uvf eryngvbafuvc jvgu Enpury; yvggyr qvq jr ernyvfr
>> gung fvk lrnef yngre vg jbhyq raq jvgu uvz onpx va gung qbbejnl, snpvat
>> gur bgure jnl, naq jnvgvat sbe gur qbbe gb pybfr oruvaq uvz...
> Yes.
I quite like the sound of hanging out at a place named "Prageny Crex",
don't you? Very Eastern European, somehow...
> Rot13 about 815:
> V whfg xrrc jbaqrevat ubj ur'f tbvat gb ernpg gb Wbrl'f jbeqf, naq
> jurgure ur'yy tb vagb [vafreg Ebff'f arj avpxanzr] zbqr, be vs ur
> fgvyy vf gur pnyz naq tbbq sevraq ur jnf whfg zbzragf rneyvre.
You, and every big fan on the planet, is wondering that.
Most people probably expect option one, I'd like to see option two,
and of course what will happen is secret option number three.
>>> No wonder we enjoyed the couple back then. All the mess that came
>>> afterwards is just forgotten in those last couple of minutes of that
>>> episode. I was a *huge* RnR fan back then, so my friends and I were
>>> so relieved they had finally hooked up..
>> Well of course, by the end of 207, we thought that they had.
> Exactly. That kiss was so much more of a climax than the one in 214,
> and for a couple of moments we had forgotten everything about Julie,
> Italian guys and ex-fiancés.
And the sex of babies.
>>>>> I wonder if Chandler hides anything from his wife in those closets?
>>>> He's probably got Janice in there.
>>> In the gym bag? ;)
>> How big is the bag?
> Huge!
Gosh!
>>> I don't have that on DVD, but I managed to spot the desert behind
>>> Southampton in "Titanic."
>> And "Charlie's Angels" obeys one of the Golden Rules Of Movies,
>> wherein you don't hear a nearby helicopter until you see it.
> Lol! Yeah, that's true.
Smil.
>> The latest news on Angel's Friends is that all 24 episodes are indeed
>> uncut, but I'm not so sure if I can trust the information, since the
>> episode descriptions were rather dodgy - from "Ross takes an apartment
>> in Monica's building to be closer to his friends" in 101 to "Joey lets
>> it slip that he is in love with Rachel" in 124.
> Yes, I saw that. I think I'll wait until I see what Amazon writes
> about the special features.
They're offering the set for $54.28, or about £36, which is an
amazing *three* times cheaper than Season 7 costs in UK stores.
>>>> Can I talk about the director now?
>>> Sure, go ahead. :)
>> It's Jennifer Aniston! Oh wait, you already know.
> Yep, afraid so. :)
> In fact, I don't think I'll be able to think about anything else for
> the next couple of weeks.
Not even my fascinating posts?
p r i y a
oh, I don't have those episodes with me. I download and see or hear
it. :)
> >>>> You can only do with the online version what *they* want you to do,
> >>>> you cannot do what *you* want to do. It is the difference between
> >>>> holding your mother's hand at the beach, and running free across the
> >>>> sand.
>
> >>> oooh! But I can't imagine what you do with it. Do you edit the text?
>
> >> That would be silly. I ask my own questions, as opposed to all those
> >> which they assumed would be asked. You have seen me do this many many
> >> times, when I've used the IMDb as a resource to investigate something
> >> that can't be done with the online version.
>
> > oh like that. Okay, I didn't know what you meant when you said
> > 'running on the beach'. :)
>
> Can you remember being a tiny little girl, holding your mother's hand?
I remember being a tiny little girl but I don't remember holding my
mother's hand when I was little :) I do remember holding my dad's
hands. We used to go on little walks when I was about 3.
>
>
> >> Next time this happens, I'll point it out, so make sure to read all
> >> of my posts, not just the ones specifically for you.
>
> > oh, but I do read other posts as much as my schedule permits. I'm
> > afraid I can't read all of the posts. So if you've mention something
> > in a thread with someone else just mention in your posts to me and
> > I'll check it out if I've missed it, okay?
>
> Well, I've just been reminding Marita how I listed the 10 best & worst
> ever Norwegian movies for her, by cross-correlating the ratings with the
> countries of origin.
oh, I read that post. So, you did that with your imdb copy. Okay.
> >>> Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very good at it too.
>
> >> Me too, but it's even more fun to undo other people's goofs.
>
> > hehe. Doesn't the Imdb have a list of goofs and scenes mistaken as goofs?
>
> That's right, so you check out other people's goofs when you happen
> to watch a movie, and if you're lucky, or perspicacious, see where
> they have been mistaken, and get those added to the list.
On which movies might I find your contributions? :)
>
>
> >>>> Did you know that when Drew Barrymore's character fell down the
> >>>> hillside to land by a house where two boys played a video game, that
> >>>> was the same house where she was a little girl in the film "ET"? They
> >>>> put an "ET" up poster on the wall, and other "ET" memorabilia on the
> >>>> book shelves.
>
> >>> Oh, nice but I totally missed it. I was only looking at Drew.
>
> >> Hehe, for sure, but I heard about it on the director's commentary.
>
> > Okay, so you were looking at Drew too? ;)
>
> Yes when I watched the movie, no when I listened to the commentary.
kay.
Priya
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.6d72144b0d...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> I was just checking out the DVD of 214 "TOW the Prom Video", when I
>> noticed that Rachel does a footstamp just after she says "deviated
>> septum" at 16:24 - you only hear it, mind, not see it.
> oh, I don't have those episodes with me.
> I download and see or hear it. :)
Well, which episodes *do* you have?
>> Can you remember being a tiny little girl, holding your mother's hand?
> I remember being a tiny little girl but I don't remember holding my
> mother's hand when I was little :) I do remember holding my dad's
> hands. We used to go on little walks when I was about 3.
Okay, so can you recall wanting to let go. and be free?
>>>> Next time this happens, I'll point it out, so make sure to read all
>>>> of my posts, not just the ones specifically for you.
>>> oh, but I do read other posts as much as my schedule permits. I'm
>>> afraid I can't read all of the posts. So if you've mention something
>>> in a thread with someone else just mention in your posts to me and
>>> I'll check it out if I've missed it, okay?
>> Well, I've just been reminding Marita how I listed the 10 best & worst
>> ever Norwegian movies for her, by cross-correlating the ratings with the
>> countries of origin.
> oh, I read that post. So, you did that with your imdb copy. Okay.
That was just one example that she would remember.
I'm doing stuff like that all the while.
>>>>> Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very good at it
> too.
>>>> Me too, but it's even more fun to undo other people's goofs.
>>> hehe. Doesn't the Imdb have a list of goofs and scenes mistaken as
> goofs?
>> That's right, so you check out other people's goofs when you happen
>> to watch a movie, and if you're lucky, or perspicacious, see where
>> they have been mistaken, and get those added to the list.
> On which movies might I find your contributions? :)
Gosh, I've lost track - okay, check out "Commando", where there used
to be a continuity error that Matrix lost his wallet when he was hit
by the car at the shopping centre, and yet later on he pulled out his
wallet to pay for something. Well, I noticed the stuntman happened to
break off the wing mirror on the left side, and it's that which falls
to the ground, not the hero's wallet.
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Not yet. The critics here are complaining that old Iris was sanitised,
>>>> for Alzheimer's has far more debilitating effects than those shown.
>>> Oh, I see. I've only heard rave reviews for Winslet and Dench.
>> Yep, but those critics have got a point.
> Well, if the Oscar-voters can vote for "A Beautiful Mind" even though
> they skipped several important parts of John Nash's biography, I guess
> they won't be too bothered with such "details."
Fair enough.
>>>>> They would probably do that now that Monica is married.
>>>> They would, wouldn't they? Those people.
>>> If we only could get to see their reaction to the baby news..
>> It should be in the extended version of 801 "TOA 'I Do'".
> Oh, that's right. I remember reading about that in the filming report.
Yep.
>> I quite like the sound of hanging out at a place named "Prageny Crex",
>> don't you? Very Eastern European, somehow...
> Yeah, you're right. :)
> Thagure Prageny Crex .. Lol.
Ah, Enpury will never know...
At least she got away from Oneel, Aben's son doesn't have to worry
about Obool, and maybe little Senax could be friends with Ora.
>> Most people probably expect option one, I'd like to see option two,
>> and of course what will happen is secret option number three.
> As long as it's unpredictable, it will be interesting.
Exactly.
>>> Exactly. That kiss was so much more of a climax than the one in 214,
>>> and for a couple of moments we had forgotten everything about Julie,
>>> Italian guys and ex-fiancés.
>> And the sex of babies.
> Pardon? In episode 812?
Nope, seven seasons earlier than that.
>>> Yes, I saw that. I think I'll wait until I see what Amazon writes
>>> about the special features.
>> They're offering the set for $54.28, or about £36, which is an
>> amazing *three* times cheaper than Season 7 costs in UK stores.
> That's about the same as the entire boxset of S7 DVDs without extra
> footage costs in Norway.
Ah, but these should be compared with the extra footage DVDs, and
anyway the best price is nor $43, or about £30, which is amazing.
>>> In fact, I don't think I'll be able to think about anything else for
>>> the next couple of weeks.
>> Not even my fascinating posts?
> I'm sorry, but ATF is nothing compared to this... No offence.
> However, posting here is a good way to prepare myself. :)
Oh. <sulk> :(
p r i y a
Good question. I don't know exactly. Lets see, I have all of season
1,6 & 7,8.
Most of 3,4,5. But season two, I don't have any.
> >> Can you remember being a tiny little girl, holding your mother's hand?
>
> > I remember being a tiny little girl but I don't remember holding my
> > mother's hand when I was little :) I do remember holding my dad's
> > hands. We used to go on little walks when I was about 3.
>
> Okay, so can you recall wanting to let go. and be free?
Actually, I don't recall that feeling. I just remember the walks but
my little boy can paint quite a picture of what you're talking about.
He never likes to hold my hand.
>
>
> >>>> Next time this happens, I'll point it out, so make sure to read all
> >>>> of my posts, not just the ones specifically for you.
>
> >>> oh, but I do read other posts as much as my schedule permits. I'm
> >>> afraid I can't read all of the posts. So if you've mention something
> >>> in a thread with someone else just mention in your posts to me and
> >>> I'll check it out if I've missed it, okay?
>
> >> Well, I've just been reminding Marita how I listed the 10 best & worst
> >> ever Norwegian movies for her, by cross-correlating the ratings with the
> >> countries of origin.
>
> > oh, I read that post. So, you did that with your imdb copy. Okay.
>
> That was just one example that she would remember.
>
> I'm doing stuff like that all the while.
You have a 24 hour day like the rest of us right? j/k
>
>
> >>>>> Nishad is always looking to find mistakes and he's very good at it
> > too.
>
> >>>> Me too, but it's even more fun to undo other people's goofs.
>
> >>> hehe. Doesn't the Imdb have a list of goofs and scenes mistaken as
> > goofs?
>
> >> That's right, so you check out other people's goofs when you happen
> >> to watch a movie, and if you're lucky, or perspicacious, see where
> >> they have been mistaken, and get those added to the list.
>
> > On which movies might I find your contributions? :)
>
> Gosh, I've lost track - okay, check out "Commando", where there used
> to be a continuity error that Matrix lost his wallet when he was hit
> by the car at the shopping centre, and yet later on he pulled out his
> wallet to pay for something. Well, I noticed the stuntman happened to
> break off the wing mirror on the left side, and it's that which falls
> to the ground, not the hero's wallet.
Oh, okay. I'm impressed.
Priya
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.a41d8d4b0f...@argonet.co.uk>...
Oh. Which episodes *don't* you have of Seasons 3,4,5?
>>>> Can you remember being a tiny little girl,
>>>> holding your mother's hand?
>>> I remember being a tiny little girl but I don't remember holding my
>>> mother's hand when I was little :) I do remember holding my dad's
>>> hands. We used to go on little walks when I was about 3.
>> Okay, so can you recall wanting to let go. and be free?
> Actually, I don't recall that feeling. I just remember the walks but
> my little boy can paint quite a picture of what you're talking about.
> He never likes to hold my hand.
Awwww... well, you are the nice on-line IMDb, sticking to the safe path;
and your lad wants to run off into the dark woods, shifting sands, oozing
quagmire, poison ivy, dark-lit alleys (choose your imagery) that is full
of the exciting possibilities of running his own movie database... ;-)
>> I'm doing stuff like that all the while.
> You have a 24 hour day like the rest of us right? j/k
Yep, but it's a question of managing it efficiently.
>> Check out "Commando", where there used to be a continuity error that
>> Matrix lost his wallet when he was hit by the car at the shopping
>> centre, and yet later on he pulled out his wallet to pay for something.
>> Well, I noticed the stuntman happened to break off the wing mirror on
>> the left side, and it's that which falls to the ground, not the hero's
>> wallet.
> Oh, okay. I'm impressed.
Thanks - but remember that I didn't have to notice anything, which
is the tricky part. I just analysed someone else's observation more
closely, and s/he may have had only a brief glimpse at the cinema.
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I finally took stock and the figures are all different from what I thought. :)
I have a disc from season 2. I got 201-208
Anyway, I don't have
317 319 322-325
409-417 420
510 511 515-521
> >>>> Can you remember being a tiny little girl,
> >>>> holding your mother's hand?
>
> >>> I remember being a tiny little girl but I don't remember holding my
> >>> mother's hand when I was little :) I do remember holding my dad's
> >>> hands. We used to go on little walks when I was about 3.
>
> >> Okay, so can you recall wanting to let go. and be free?
>
> > Actually, I don't recall that feeling. I just remember the walks but
> > my little boy can paint quite a picture of what you're talking about.
> > He never likes to hold my hand.
>
> Awwww... well, you are the nice on-line IMDb, sticking to the safe path;
> and your lad wants to run off into the dark woods, shifting sands, oozing
> quagmire, poison ivy, dark-lit alleys (choose your imagery) that is full
> of the exciting possibilities of running his own movie database... ;-)
Wow, you're really having fun with your imdb copy. Good for you.
>
>
> >> I'm doing stuff like that all the while.
>
> > You have a 24 hour day like the rest of us right? j/k
>
> Yep, but it's a question of managing it efficiently.
Well, thats something I have yet to learn :)
>
>
> >> Check out "Commando", where there used to be a continuity error that
> >> Matrix lost his wallet when he was hit by the car at the shopping
> >> centre, and yet later on he pulled out his wallet to pay for something.
> >> Well, I noticed the stuntman happened to break off the wing mirror on
> >> the left side, and it's that which falls to the ground, not the hero's
> >> wallet.
>
> > Oh, okay. I'm impressed.
>
> Thanks - but remember that I didn't have to notice anything, which
> is the tricky part. I just analysed someone else's observation more
> closely, and s/he may have had only a brief glimpse at the cinema.
Okay then, I'm not impressed. lol
Priya
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:45:40 GMT, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Well, if the Oscar-voters can vote for "A Beautiful Mind" even though
>>> they skipped several important parts of John Nash's biography, I guess
>>> they won't be too bothered with such "details."
>> Fair enough.
> They might be bothered by his behaviour, though! I wouldn't want to be
> the producer of a show that he's on.. :)
But he'd be great to help with your maths assignment.
>>> Thagure Prageny Crex .. Lol.
>> Ah, Enpury will never know...
>> At least she got away from Oneel, Aben's son doesn't have to worry
>> about Obool, and maybe little Senax could be friends with Ora.
> Lol!
You'll notice I grabbed all the euphonious names... :b
> I have a feeling Zbavpn will want to have a little friend for (rot13
> about 813) Ehgu next year. If only Punaqyre will let her, that is.
I'm sure she will, and Punaqyre is on-board, but it's up to Pbhegrarl naq Qnivq.
> And who will be the best grandma? Fnaqen, Whql or Aben?
Ooh, tough call! Can I get away with saying Uryran?
>>>>> Exactly. That kiss was so much more of a climax than the one in 214,
>>>>> and for a couple of moments we had forgotten everything about Julie,
>>>>> Italian guys and ex-fiancés.
>>>> And the sex of babies.
>>> Pardon? In episode 812?
>> Nope, seven seasons earlier than that.
> Oh, I see.
Yep.
>>>> They're offering the set for $54.28, or about £36, which is an
>>>> amazing *three* times cheaper than Season 7 costs in UK stores.
>>> That's about the same as the entire boxset of S7 DVDs without extra
>>> footage costs in Norway.
>> Ah, but these should be compared with the extra footage DVDs, and
>> anyway the best price is now $43, or about £30, which is amazing.
> Well, I've never seen the extra footage DVD boxset in Norway. I saw
> the first uncut DVD from S7 in a store back home, though, and you
> could get it for £24 (!).
Eek, that's pushing it.
>>> I'm sorry, but ATF is nothing compared to this... No offence.
>>> However, posting here is a good way to prepare myself. :)
>> Oh. <sulk> :(
> There, there, Tennant... I said "no offence." :)
Maybe, but my lower lip is still trembling...
> I'm sure both you and everybody else would have felt the same way if
> it was the other way around. Besides, you know you'll get something
> out of it as well. ;)
Oh yay! <brightens> Did you get my email about meeting Aurora Zelner?
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.a328bb4b10...@argonet.co.uk>...
Oh, so you're only missing 41 episodes, then.
That's not too bad out 186.
Are you steadily filling in your gaps, then?
Before the DVDs, I was trying to tape all the episodes off satellite,
and of course it's easy at first, but then you come down to the final
few that keep being skipped. At last it came down to just one, but oh
how long I had to wait before I got 218 "TOW Dr. Ramoray Dies"...
>> Awwww... well, you are the nice on-line IMDb, sticking to the safe
>> path; and your lad wants to run off into the dark woods, shifting
>> sands, oozing quagmire, poison ivy, dark-lit alleys (choose your
>> imagery) that is full of the exciting possibilities of running his own
>> movie database... ;-)
> Wow, you're really having fun with your imdb copy. Good for you.
Thanks. Mind you, I used it the other day to find a Dutch girl's name
beginning with "Jen" (for a little joke about Hot Girl in 516 "TOW the
Cop" being Miss Verhoeven) but all I could find were two Jennifers &
two Jennys, which didn't have the ethnic feel I was looking for.
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>
> That's not too bad out 186.
yeah
>
> Are you steadily filling in your gaps, then?
Not really. I saw most of them on TV and the ones I missed I rented
the dvds or the tapes. I'm not really making it a collection. I'm
hoping to get the dvds one day.
>
> Before the DVDs, I was trying to tape all the episodes off satellite,
> and of course it's easy at first, but then you come down to the final
> few that keep being skipped. At last it came down to just one, but oh
> how long I had to wait before I got 218 "TOW Dr. Ramoray Dies"...
Do you still have those tapes? I mean, since you bought all the dvds.
> >> Awwww... well, you are the nice on-line IMDb, sticking to the safe
> >> path; and your lad wants to run off into the dark woods, shifting
> >> sands, oozing quagmire, poison ivy, dark-lit alleys (choose your
> >> imagery) that is full of the exciting possibilities of running his own
> >> movie database... ;-)
>
> > Wow, you're really having fun with your imdb copy. Good for you.
>
> Thanks. Mind you, I used it the other day to find a Dutch girl's name
> beginning with "Jen" (for a little joke about Hot Girl in 516 "TOW the
> Cop" being Miss Verhoeven) but all I could find were two Jennifers &
> two Jennys, which didn't have the ethnic feel I was looking for.
Oh! okay.
Priya
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.87bd764b11...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> Are you steadily filling in your gaps, then?
> Not really. I saw most of them on TV and the ones I missed I rented
> the dvds or the tapes. I'm not really making it a collection. I'm
> hoping to get the dvds one day.
Okay. Well, your stats are now entered into my database, so now I can
check in advance if it occurs to me to do so. Let me know when you
get any more DVDs.
>> Before the DVDs, I was trying to tape all the episodes off satellite,
>> and of course it's easy at first, but then you come down to the final
>> few that keep being skipped. At last it came down to just one, but oh
>> how long I had to wait before I got 218 "TOW Dr. Ramoray Dies"...
> Do you still have those tapes? I mean, since you bought all the dvds.
Yes, but I've recorded over the top of them. :)
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> They might be bothered by his behaviour, though! I wouldn't want to be
>>> the producer of a show that he's on.. :)
>> But he'd be great to help with your maths assignment.
> True, but I had my last maths assignment many years ago. :)
> I thought you knew what I do nowadays?
I do know what you do nowadays, but this guy who looks exactly
like Maximus Decimus Meridius doesn't...
>>>>> Thagure Prageny Crex .. Lol.
>>>> Ah, Enpury will never know...
>>>> At least she got away from Oneel, Aben's son doesn't have to worry
>>>> about Obool, and maybe little Senax could be friends with Ora.
>>> Lol!
>> You'll notice I grabbed all the euphonious names... :b
> Lol. Ehgu isn't that bad, though. It has an African ring to it.
Maybe, but Enpury won't like it.
>>> And who will be the best grandma? Fnaqen, Whql or Aben?
>> Ooh, tough call! Can I get away with saying Uryran?
> Lol! Ovat We will love all the fancy gifts from Uryran in Ynf Irtnf.
Ooh! What sort of fancy gifts?
BTW, I misread that at first, because I didn't rotate the word "We".
>>> Well, I've never seen the extra footage DVD boxset in Norway. I saw
>>> the first uncut DVD from S7 in a store back home, though, and you
>>> could get it for £24 (!).
>> Eek, that's pushing it.
> My thoughts exactly, so it was much better to wait until I could get
> the entire boxset directly from Britain.
Well, as I've noted elsewhere, the R1S1 set has now dipped below $40.
>>>>> I'm sorry, but ATF is nothing compared to this... No offence.
>>>>> However, posting here is a good way to prepare myself. :)
>>>> Oh. <sulk> :(
>>> There, there, Tennant... I said "no offence." :)
>> Maybe, but my lower lip is still trembling...
> Do you need a tissue?
No, that's alright, I'll be brave...
>>> I'm sure both you and everybody else would have felt the same way if
>>> it was the other way around. Besides, you know you'll get something
>>> out of it as well. ;)
>> Oh yay! <brightens> Did you get my email about meeting Aurora Zelner?
> Yes, I'm sorry about that. Last week was pretty crazy, and I'm so
> behind with my e-mails. :)
Eep, don't remind me about mine...
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> In article <52ad65db.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
>
> > Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:<na.87bd764b11...@argonet.co.uk>...
>
> >> Are you steadily filling in your gaps, then?
>
> > Not really. I saw most of them on TV and the ones I missed I rented
> > the dvds or the tapes. I'm not really making it a collection. I'm
> > hoping to get the dvds one day.
>
> Okay. Well, your stats are now entered into my database, so now I can
> check in advance if it occurs to me to do so. Let me know when you
> get any more DVDs.
Oh, thanks. :)
> >> Before the DVDs, I was trying to tape all the episodes off satellite,
> >> and of course it's easy at first, but then you come down to the final
> >> few that keep being skipped. At last it came down to just one, but oh
> >> how long I had to wait before I got 218 "TOW Dr. Ramoray Dies"...
>
> > Do you still have those tapes? I mean, since you bought all the dvds.
>
> Yes, but I've recorded over the top of them. :)
:) Okay. How many tapes were they? What about the eighth season tapes,
do you record over them too? I don't think so :)
Priya
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.f6321c4b12...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>>> Are you steadily filling in your gaps, then?
>>> Not really. I saw most of them on TV and the ones I missed I rented
>>> the dvds or the tapes. I'm not really making it a collection. I'm
>>> hoping to get the dvds one day.
>> Okay. Well, your stats are now entered into my database, so now I can
>> check in advance if it occurs to me to do so. Let me know when you
>> get any more DVDs.
> Oh, thanks. :)
YSW.
BTW, would you like lists of titles you have, and titles you haven't?
>>>> Before the DVDs, I was trying to tape all the episodes off satellite,
>>>> and of course it's easy at first, but then you come down to the final
>>>> few that keep being skipped. At last it came down to just one, but oh
>>>> how long I had to wait before I got 218 "TOW Dr. Ramoray Dies"...
>>> Do you still have those tapes? I mean, since you bought all the dvds.
>> Yes, but I've recorded over the top of them. :)
> :) Okay. How many tapes were they?
Three E180s per season, except S3/S6 which were two E180s + one E195.
> What about the eighth season tapes,
> do you record over them too? I don't think so :)
Who said I have them on tape?
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> In article <52ad65db.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
>
> > Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:<na.f6321c4b12...@argonet.co.uk>...
>
> >>>> Are you steadily filling in your gaps, then?
>
> >>> Not really. I saw most of them on TV and the ones I missed I rented
> >>> the dvds or the tapes. I'm not really making it a collection. I'm
> >>> hoping to get the dvds one day.
>
> >> Okay. Well, your stats are now entered into my database, so now I can
> >> check in advance if it occurs to me to do so. Let me know when you
> >> get any more DVDs.
>
> > Oh, thanks. :)
>
> YSW.
>
> BTW, would you like lists of titles you have, and titles you haven't?
Awww.. would you? I had a nice one listing episodes I have, don't
have, like, don't like and my husband decided to modify it. He
removed all the titles and kept only the list of episodes I have. :(
> >>>> Before the DVDs, I was trying to tape all the episodes off satellite,
> >>>> and of course it's easy at first, but then you come down to the final
> >>>> few that keep being skipped. At last it came down to just one, but oh
> >>>> how long I had to wait before I got 218 "TOW Dr. Ramoray Dies"...
>
> >>> Do you still have those tapes? I mean, since you bought all the dvds.
>
> >> Yes, but I've recorded over the top of them. :)
>
> > :) Okay. How many tapes were they?
>
> Three E180s per season, except S3/S6 which were two E180s + one E195.
Not counting season 8, thats 21 tapes in all.
>
>
> > What about the eighth season tapes,
> > do you record over them too? I don't think so :)
>
> Who said I have them on tape?
Grin. You did, in so many words. You don't download the episodes. You
watch it on your big tv. You can make out that there's a thread going
through Joey's peephole. You're two weeks behind with your reviews.
So, it has to be a tape sent to you by a friend every two weeks with
two eppys. :)
Priya
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> They might be bothered by his behaviour, though! I wouldn't want to
>>>>> be the producer of a show that he's on.. :)
>>>> But he'd be great to help with your maths assignment.
>>> True, but I had my last maths assignment many years ago. :)
>>> I thought you knew what I do nowadays?
>> I do know what you do nowadays, but this guy who looks exactly
>> like Maximus Decimus Meridius doesn't...
> Lol. I see. He doesn't look like Maximus now, though.
He's had a shave?
> Having said that, I'm still pretty confident he'll win the Oscar in a
> couple of weeks.
Good. And Best Actress/Director/Picture will be?
>>>> You'll notice I grabbed all the euphonious names... :b
>>> Lol. Ehgu isn't that bad, though. It has an African ring to it.
>> Maybe, but Enpury won't like it.
> Why not? Enva is hardly any better.. :)
Well, that matters not, for we have a winner - Gungpure.
To discover *that* woman is so named in rot13 defeats all else. :)
>>>>> And who will be the best grandma? Fnaqen, Whql or Aben?
>>>> Ooh, tough call! Can I get away with saying Uryran?
>>> Lol! Ovat We will love all the fancy gifts from Uryran in Ynf Irtnf.
>> Ooh! What sort of fancy gifts?
> Tickets to musicals on Broadway, tiny blue sweaters, yellow boots..
Awww..... :)
>> BTW, I misread that at first, because I didn't rotate the word "We".
> Yeah, I noticed that as well.
Weird, innit?
>>> My thoughts exactly, so it was much better to wait until I could get
>>> the entire boxset directly from Britain.
>> Well, as I've noted elsewhere, the R1S1 set has now dipped below $40.
> Gosh, I can probably save a lot of money, then.
VSG.
>>> Do you need a tissue?
>> No, that's alright, I'll be brave...
> Good boy. :)
Smil.
>>>> Oh yay! <brightens> Did you get my email about meeting Aurora Zelner?
>>> Yes, I'm sorry about that. Last week was pretty crazy, and I'm so
>>> behind with my e-mails. :)
>> Eep, don't remind me about mine...
> DFY. About 8 days to go now.. :)
To meeting the directrix?
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I do know what you do nowadays, but this guy who looks exactly
>>>> like Maximus Decimus Meridius doesn't...
>>> Lol. I see. He doesn't look like Maximus now, though.
>> He's had a shave?
> On the contrary, he's badly in need of one.
I meant as John Nash when he was a sane mathematician.
>>> Having said that, I'm still pretty confident he'll win the Oscar in a
>>> couple of weeks.
>> Good. And Best Actress/Director/Picture will be?
> - Sissy Spacek (but I'm rooting for Kidman)
> - Ron Howard
> - A Beautiful Mind
> What about you? What do you think?
Anything as long as it's not LotR.
>> Well, that matters not, for we have a winner - Gungpure.
>> To discover *that* woman is so named in rot13 defeats all else. :)
> Lol! You guys aren't crazy about The Iron Lady, are you?
My family moved to the industrial Midlands in the mid-1930s as the
country prepared for war, when most aerospace companies relocated
since the area was hard for bombers without radar to find. There
was no Blitz around here, but 50 years later people were saying
that Thatcher destroyed the factories which the Nazis couldn't.
>>>>> Lol! Ovat We will love all the fancy gifts from Uryran in Ynf Irtnf.
>>>> Ooh! What sort of fancy gifts?
>>> Tickets to musicals on Broadway, tiny blue sweaters, yellow boots..
>> Awww..... :)
> Daddy Bing will love it as well.
He will?
>>> About 8 days to go now.. :)
>> To meeting the directrix?
> Hehe, yep. And seeing everybody else. :)
Yay!!!
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On the contrary, he's badly in need of one.
>> I meant as John Nash when he was a sane mathematician.
> Oh, that's right. But off-screen.. Gosh.
At the SAG awards, what did he mean about a yellow suit?
>>> What about you? What do you think?
>> Anything as long as it's not LotR.
> Really? Some people say Peter Jackson deserves an Oscar just because
> he was in charge of so many extras.
Well, maybe there should be an extra Oscar for that.
> Ouch. So I guess you were happy when she resigned and John Major
> became Prime Minister?
Only by contrast.
>>>>>> What sort of fancy gifts?
>>>>> Tickets to musicals on Broadway, tiny blue sweaters, yellow boots..
>>>> Awww..... :)
>>> Daddy Bing will love it as well.
>> He will?
> Yes. He will *love* it.
All the hell in a handbasket stuff?
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:29:49 GMT, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On the contrary, he's badly in need of one.
>>>> I meant as John Nash when he was a sane mathematician.
>>> Oh, that's right. But off-screen.. Gosh.
>> At the SAG awards, what did he mean about a yellow suit?
> Pardon? After the first hour of the SAG awards (where they handed out
> the TV awards, and Friends didn't win any), I turned on CBS and
> watched an absolutely amazing documentary about 9/11 instead.
Somebody asked Crowe a rude question, and got told to come back
wearing a yellow suit, then he'd get an answer.
>>> Really? Some people say Peter Jackson deserves an Oscar just because
>>> he was in charge of so many extras.
>> Well, maybe there should be an extra Oscar for that.
> Which would explain one of the reasons why James Cameron won the Oscar
> in 1998.
For synthespians?
>>> Ouch. So I guess you were happy when she resigned and John Major
>>> became Prime Minister?
>> Only by contrast.
> The lesser of two evils etc. Has it improved after Tony Blair came
> along?
Yes, but we have to keep reminding ourselves of how awful the Tories were.
>>>>>>>> What sort of fancy gifts?
>>>>>>> Tickets to musicals on Broadway, tiny blue sweaters, yellow boots..
>>>>>> Awww..... :)
>>>>> Daddy Bing will love it as well.
>>>> He will?
>>> Yes. He will *love* it.
>> All the hell in a handbasket stuff?
> No, the tickets to the musicals on Broadway.
Well, he took Monica to "The Musicman", but is there any other evidence?
He might just have been treating his lovely wife.
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:32:51 GMT, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> At the SAG awards, what did he mean about a yellow suit?
>>> Pardon? After the first hour of the SAG awards (where they handed out
>>> the TV awards, and Friends didn't win any), I turned on CBS and
>>> watched an absolutely amazing documentary about 9/11 instead.
>> Somebody asked Crowe a rude question, and got told to come back
>> wearing a yellow suit, then he'd get an answer.
> Well, Crowe is one of a kind.
Indeedy!
>>>>> Really? Some people say Peter Jackson deserves an Oscar just because
>>>>> he was in charge of so many extras.
>>>> Well, maybe there should be an extra Oscar for that.
>>> Which would explain one of the reasons why James Cameron won the Oscar
>>> in 1998.
>> For synthespians?
> Drowning extras, yes. :)
Lol, yes!
>>>>> Ouch. So I guess you were happy when she resigned and John Major
>>>>> became Prime Minister?
>>>> Only by contrast.
>>> The lesser of two evils etc. Has it improved after Tony Blair came
>>> along?
>> Yes, but we have to keep reminding ourselves of how awful the Tories were.
> Not all the Tories were awful, though. Sir Winston was quite good.
My mother hated him, because he was once rude to her on the bus.
>>>>>>> Daddy Bing will love it as well.
>>>>>> He will?
>>>>> Yes. He will *love* it.
>>>> All the hell in a handbasket stuff?
>>> No, the tickets to the musicals on Broadway.
>> Well, he took Monica to "The Musicman", but is there any other evidence?
>> He might just have been treating his lovely wife.
> Rot13 about 817:
> N zna jub ohlf gjb pbcvrf bs "Naavr," vf qrsvavgryl n uhtr sna bs
> Oebnqjnl zhfvpnyf.
Good point!
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Not all the Tories were awful, though. Sir Winston was quite good.
>> My mother hated him, because he was once rude to her on the bus.
> Pardon? What did he say to her?
I'm afraid I don't recall the details of the story.
> Sir Winston seemed like such a wonderful man.
Tell that to the victims, when as Home Secretary he ordered troops to
shoot & kill unarmed civilians in Wales; or to the people of Coventry,
whom he allowed to be bombed by the Luftwaffe in a giant raid, rather
than reveal that we knew how it could be prevented.
Tennant Stuart
Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
C4 UK/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 812...
812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel"
When Dr.Geller's department head retires, he is not promoted as Rachel
then presumes, but instead accepts the old guy's advanced class, taking
place three times per week. Awkwardly, they're held in another building
across town, and Ross can't afford to keep using cabs back & forth.
For the day of the first class, it takes Ross so long to get there that
he arrives as it's due to end. On the second day, Ross runs all the way,
but although he arrives in time, he passes out. However, he's actually
early for the third class, but only because he came on roller blades!
---o0o---
Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
Unfortunately, Phoebe hogs the machine, and she's so good that she fills
the high score table with her names. Then to make matters worse, Monica
comes home from work to find Chandler spent all day mastering the game,
he's replaced Phoebe's names with dirty words, and Ben's coming over!
Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is. Phoebe takes
over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
to cover the little boy's ears!
---o0o---
Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel advises
him to take the girl somewhere special, but then admits that she really
misses all the fun of dates herself. Ever the knight in shining armour,
Joey offers to take her out as well, even if she is a pregnant lady. That
evening, Rachel is almost ready, when there is a knock at the door - and
to her surprise it's Joey.
He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched. As the couple
indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
looking, she's pretty sure he's gay!
At a fancy restaurant, Joey & Rachel have a delightful time together. To
keep everything light, they playfully try out their opening moves on each
other. While his (pretending a fan has sent some wine over) is effective,
hers is deceptively simple (asking where he grew up whilst touching his
hand) and he is quite affected by her.
When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
that it was because he was with her.
Then as they compare their seduction moves, Rachel demonstrates how she
would gently kiss the guy, and then lean in close to let out a contented
murmur - but as she turns aside, her soul sweeps through his heart, and
she does not see the devastating effect that she's just had on him...
The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women, he breaks
off the date, and goes home early.
Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel makes him cuddle up on the
La-Z-Boy with her for protection. As she screams, and buries her face in
his chest, she asks why he's not scared; to which he replies that he is
terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see it's not
the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing everything...
---o0o---
Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it? And although the video
game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
---o0o---
Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
In the pilot, Joey hit on Rachel as soon as he met her, but that was only
to be expected. However, she first saw that he was more than just a pretty
face when she listened to his advice, in 201 "TOW Ross's New Girlfriend".
It was Joey who introduced Rachel to the delights of Stephen King, in 313
"TOW Monica and Richard Are Just Friends", but it wasn't until the fifth
season that their relationship went up a notch.
At New Year's Eve in 511 "TOW All the Resolutions", Joey manipulated all
his friends in just 70 seconds so that he got to kiss Rachel at midnight,
they were very simpatico, plus Phoebe presumed that they were 'doing it';
in 513 "TOW Joey's Bag", he trusted Rachel's sartorial advice, even though
all their friends were scornful; with 515 "TOW the Girl Who Hits Joey", it
was she who came to his rescue; and in 516 "TOW the Cop" Joey realised how
his life was empty without someone to share it with, and he chose Rachel.
Nothing came of that, but in 602 "TOW Ross Hugs Rachel", Phoebe predicted
that he would marry Rachel, and they would have beautiful children; then
in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers tested the waters with a
Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by his fame as a soap star,
and so within a few episodes the 'real' Joey was put back in a television
career - while Rachel moved into his apartment, where she suddenly found
a new liberation thanks to his easy going lifestyle.
In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together, even
while she was supposed to be enamoured over Tag, who is most significant
since Joey is quite boyish by nature. And these stories included 702 "TOW
Rachel's Book", where he teased her until she came on too strong for him;
703 "TOW Phoebe's Cookies", where he taught her more about happiness than
she did about sailing; 707 "TOW Ross's Library Book", where Rachel learnt
her roomie wasn't the shallow dating machine that everyone supposes, then
hugged him to her ample bosom for talking about having kids, and begged
him not to marry before her; 708 "TOW Chandler Doesn't Like Dogs", where
she understood his moo point because they had lived together for so long;
710 "TOW the Holiday Armadillo" in which she told Phoebe (of all people)
how adorable Joey was; 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
Chandler, while whispering secrets in each other's ears, then ended with
her moaning & writhing on his lap; and finally 718 "TOW Joey's Award",
where we saw how much his show business career turns her on.
So then in Season 8, the alarm bells started ringing in 805 "TOW Rachel's
Date", where she went out with a fellow soap star; 807 "TOW the Stain" in
which Joey persuaded Rachel to stay with him, instead of moving to Ross's
building; and 811 "TOW Ross's Step Forward", where raging hormones made
her attempt to seduce him, but he wouldn't settle for a quick fling.
And don't forget that in 805 "TOW Rachel's Date", after Rachel dumped the
wrong guy, she needed comfort food - but here, after Joey dumped the wrong
girl, he didn't want comfort food, he just came home to Rachel.
---o0o---
Whose Theory Of Dominance was Ross talking about?
How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
Did you notice that when Ross arrives at the first advanced class, he
throws his coat at the hat-stand, but it falls on the floor instead,
yet a moment later his coat is draped on top of the stand?
Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
when has he cared about money? That is not what Ross was like in 205
"TOW Five Steaks and an Eggplant".
Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
If so, can he afford to support a second child?
Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
Did Chandler & Monica ever visit Greg & Jenny on January 15th?
Wasn't that clever of Phoebe to remember that when she said she would
give Frank & Alice the greatest possible wedding present, in 411 "TOW
Phoebe's Uterus", Chandler assumed she meant a Sony Playstation?
Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial". The obvious answer is
that she's good at playing Ms.Pacman, but should it not be that it's the
S6 episode that's at fault? Monica loved playing foosball at the guys'
apartment, and only stopped because they banned her for being too good.
Or did Monica go off the beautiful guest room idea after Phoebe wasn't
happy there? Or is there a big difference between one machine, and the
total Game Room that Chandler wanted, complete with all the old big-big
arcade games like Space Invaders & Asteroids bought for $200 a time?
Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
When Chandler tells Monica that she sucks at the game (note that she was
not compulsive about winning) he's not a patch on Monica thrashing Joey &
Chandler at foosball in 112 "TOW the Dozen Lasagnes", when she yelled out
"Score!", and then pointed accusingly at Chandler to declare "You suck!"
Has Phoebe been on political protests, where she's learnt to hang limp
as the pigs try to move her; or is it something she learnt as a tramp?
And if Monica is so much stronger than Chandler, how come he can carry
her, but she can't carry Phoebe?
How come Chandler is at home all day, did he take the day off?
Did you notice that Chandler's red sweater displays a "United We Stand"
slogan? It is currently all over the country, as a sign that Americans
will not be beaten by the terrorists, following September 11th.
If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
And what did Phoebe enter, U-P-B?
So, when Chandler was seven years old, he saw his parents (presumably) in
an orgy? Just how hideous *was* his upbringing?
What profanities did that operatic Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch",
"motherfucker", and "asshole" - was there anything else?
Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
Wasn't it a great moment when Joey the Latin Lover leant on the doorpost,
so Rachel looked towards his bedroom to see if Joey the Roomie was there?
Did you know that in the language of flowers, those beautiful white
lilies mean "it is heavenly to be with you"?
Why is there a piece of string passing through a small hole in Joey's
front door? Is he playing a joke on Ross, possibly in revenge?
Does the sun & moon emblem on the magnadoodle board signify the
ying & yang of Joey & Rachel?
From all six, who would you punch?
Rachel had to choose from only four, but why Chandler?
So, both Joey & Rachel find "Citizen Kane" boring. Isn't that quite
something? Whom do we know enjoys watching foreign & arty movies?
Did you notice that Joey's hot date turned right to go to the loo, while
Rachel turned to the left? Did one of the ladies go into the Gents?
Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
& Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop", which prompted
Joey's dream, that has led him to where he is today?
The film Rachel watched was "Cujo", based on the novel by Stephen King
(she read his book "The Shining" in 313 "TOW Monica and Richard Are Just
Friends"). Cujo is a St.Bernard dog who becomes rabid, trapping a mother
& child in a broken-down car. The dog was played by a man in a costume,
and five real dogs - to make them attack the car, the trainer put their
favourite toys inside the car, so the dogs would try to get them.
Since Rachel says she hopes that the dog will die, is she going to lend
the video to Chandler afterwards? Will Joey get to play Ms.Pacman?
Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
---o0o---
According to a filming report by Aurora Zelner, the original teaser had
C+M walking in the hallway towards their front door, carrying four bags
of groceries. They comment on all the stuff they bought, then Monica
asks which bag the paper towels are in. They can't find any, so Chandler
replies that was what they went to the store for in the first place.
After Phoebe went limp, Monica appeals to her husband to help get her
off the machine, but he refuses since he's hoping to see a girl fight
or more; so she goes over to his chair to push him out of it, and he
goes limp also - this moment will appear in the next title sequence.
Later, after Chandler said the scores couldn't be erased since the
machine has a primitive RAM chip, Monica then declares "Wow, computer
terms & video games - you've never been sexier."
Meanwhile, when Joey was on his hot date, the scene originally started
with the waitress bringing a bottle of wine, and pouring it for Joey to
say his line about wanting a normal dinner for once. He sees the price
of the wine (very expensive), glares at the smirking waitress, and says
something about the fans not usually caring quite *that* much.
Finally, one of Ross's classroom scenes was totally deleted. After he
runs all the way, he keeps doing stretches while trying to teach, and
ends up warning the students that dinosaurs ain't never coming back.
However, all the Joey & Rachel scenes seem to be intact.
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has already seen episodes 813-818.
Tennant Stuart
Paul Hyett
considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>
>Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
Not *all*, no.
>Monica is delighted when Phoebe gives her & Chandler a belated wedding
>present, since it's a Ms.Pacman video game, and when Monica was a girl,
>the only thing at her local arcade that was even more fun was a vending
>machine - since with that she won a candy-bar every time!
Sounds like the vending machine owner was a winner too! :)
>
>Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
>off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is.
Lack of candy?
>Phoebe takes
>over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
>blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
>to cover the little boy's ears!
Carol & Susan are *not* going to be happy with Phoebe!
>
>
>Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel
Since when was Chandler not his best friend?
>
>He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
>bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched.
Sweet.
> As the couple
>indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
>that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
>looking, she's pretty sure he's gay!
>
I found this latter part irritating.
>
>When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
>time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
>ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
>at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
>that it was because he was with her.
Just as well she isn't still ultra-horny!
>
>The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
>Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
>But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
>is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women
No, just this particular one, IMO.
>, he breaks
>off the date, and goes home early.
>
>Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
>being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel makes him cuddle up on the
>La-Z-Boy with her for protection.
From what - pictures on a TV screen? :)
>As she screams, and buries her face in
>his chest, she asks why he's not scared; to which he replies that he is
>terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see it's not
>the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing everything...
Never gonna happen...
>
>Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
>just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it?
You mean we *actually* agree on this!
>And although the video
>game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
Selling it a little short, IMO.
>
>However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
>one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
>slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
>for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
I suspect you're trying to read too much into this. I'd be at the head
of a rampaging mob of Ross & Rachel fans if it ever happened! :)
>
>Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
>together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
>on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
More so than early R&R, I don't think so!
>
>
>Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
>has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
>not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
Correct*2.
>
>At New Year's Eve in 511 "TOW All the Resolutions", Joey manipulated all
>his friends in just 70 seconds so that he got to kiss Rachel at midnight
No, all the manipulation was so C&M could kiss.
>
>Nothing came of that, but in 602 "TOW Ross Hugs Rachel", Phoebe predicted
>that he would marry Rachel, and they would have beautiful children; then
>in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers tested the waters with a
>Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by his fame as a soap star
In an *alternative* timeline though.
>
>In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together
Big deal, they shared an apartment.
> 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against
>Chandler
Which I thought was totally unjustified.
>
>Whose Theory Of Dominance was Ross talking about?
I tuned out his lecture. :)
>
>How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
No idea.
>
>How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
Good point.
>
>Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
>since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
>when has he cared about money?
When he has a second child on the way, and his son is at an expensive
private school?
>
>Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>If so, can he afford to support a second child?
I really should read the whole paragraph before I comment! :)
>
>Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
Since he was having trouble balancing, how did he skate across town?
>
>Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
>was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial".
Great minds think alike.
>
>Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
>
Don't ask me. :)
>
>If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
>table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
>be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
That's what I assumed - see my own review! :)
>
>What profanities did that operatic Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a bitch",
>"motherfucker", and "asshole" - was there anything else?
Wonder if the network got any complaints over this?
>
>Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
>arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
>returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
>Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
Yes.
>
>Did you know that in the language of flowers, those beautiful white
>lilies mean "it is heavenly to be with you"?
>
No, but how did *you* know that?
>
>Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
>& Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop"
Something like that happened with C&M late in S4 IIRC.
>
>Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
Nothing in this episode that does that for me.
NB, this time I wrote my review before I read yours!
--
Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett - The Wild Frame Grabber of the Net!
Website at http://www.activist.demon.co.uk/USsitcoms/
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> stated this
> considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>> Don't you just *love* all of this!?!
> Not *all*, no.
Awww...
Exactly, and wasn't Monica just as cute as a button?
>> Monica has to beat Chandler's best score ten times over to move his filth
>> off the screen, but she's not as good as she thinks she is.
> Lack of candy?
Ah yes, the energy boost.
>> Phoebe takes
>> over, only to be defeated, and she is so incensed that she turns the air
>> blue with a chorus of profanities, just as Ben arrives, and his daddy has
>> to cover the little boy's ears!
> Carol & Susan are *not* going to be happy with Phoebe!
I knowwww!!! What will they do?
>> Joey has a hot date coming up, so his roomie & best friend Rachel
> Since when was Chandler not his best friend?
Since the George Washington bridge.
>> He has come to pick her up like a proper date, and when he presents a
>> bouquet of her favourite lilies, she is deeply touched.
> Sweet.
Yeah, it was so romantic.
>> As the couple
>> indulge in some introductory small talk, Rachel warns her pretend beau
>> that her roomie is very protective of her, but then although he's good
>> looking, she's pretty sure he's gay!
> I found this latter part irritating.
That was just Rachel's little joke. :)
>> When Joey brings her home, Rachel announces she had the most wonderful
>> time, and he readily agrees, saying theirs was the best date that he's
>> ever had. For the first time in his life, Joey has enjoyed the romance
>> at the beginning instead of the sex at the end - and so Rachel explains
>> that it was because he was with her.
> Just as well she isn't still ultra-horny!
Yes, I wonder how she got out of that? ;)
>> The next day is Joey's hot date, so while they go to the same restaurant,
>> Rachel settles down to watch a horror film that he'd recommended to her.
>> But although his companion is quite attractive, all Joey can think about
>> is Rachel, and realising he's lost interest in all other women,
> No, just this particular one, IMO.
I shan't argue.
>> he breaks off the date, and goes home early.
>> Joey finds Rachel being freaked out by the scary movie, but he's wary of
>> being near her. He sits on a stool, but Rachel makes him cuddle up on the
>> La-Z-Boy with her for protection.
> From what - pictures on a TV screen? :)
Exactly.
>> As she screams, and buries her face in
>> his chest, she asks why he's not scared; to which he replies that he is
>> terrified. As he holds his roomie & best friend close, we see it's not
>> the movie that worries him, but the prospect of losing everything...
> Never gonna happen...
Well, *we* know that, because it would mean the end of the series,
but Joey doesn't know that, does he?
>> Since David Schwimmer directed, why must there be a story for Ross that
>> just wasn't worth the few minutes devoted to it?
> You mean we *actually* agree on this!
Lol yes, these little miracles do happen!
>> And although the video
>> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
> Selling it a little short, IMO.
Well, it was okay, but I kept wanting to see what Joey & Rachel were doing.
>> However, none of that matters, since DS did an amazing job of directing
>> one of the most romantic stories in the long history of the show, as the
>> slowly growing closeness of the newest roomies at last sparked into love
>> for Joey, with an enigmatic question mark hanging over Rachel.
> I suspect you're trying to read too much into this. I'd be at the head
> of a rampaging mob of Ross & Rachel fans if it ever happened! :)
99% of the viewers in America are not fans of any particular couple,
but they do like to see something new.
>> Whatever their plans, the producers will have noted how in their scenes
>> together, Jennifer Aniston & Matt LeBlanc zinged so much that they were
>> on fire, with an amazing chemistry surpassing anything in the series.
> More so than early R&R, I don't think so!
That was more antagonistic, though.
>> Looking about, many fans seem to be astonished that a Joey/Rachel romance
>> has suddenly sprung out of nowhere. Presumably these are the fans who did
>> not believe it when all the foreshadowing was pointed out to them.
> Correct*2.
Thanks.
>> At New Year's Eve in 511 "TOW All the Resolutions", Joey manipulated all
>> his friends in just 70 seconds so that he got to kiss Rachel at midnight
> No, all the manipulation was so C&M could kiss.
That was the starting point - but Joey was in control, and he got Rachel.
>> Nothing came of that, but in 602 "TOW Ross Hugs Rachel", Phoebe predicted
>> that he would marry Rachel, and they would have beautiful children; then
>> in 615/616 "TOT Could Have Been", the producers tested the waters with a
>> Rachel & Joey affair wherein she was turned on by his fame as a soap star
> In an *alternative* timeline though.
That makes it even more valid foreshadowing, since it's an experiment.
>> In Season 7, the couple were suddenly having many episodes together
> Big deal, they shared an apartment.
This is fiction, it works the other way round. The couple shared an
apartment so that they could have many episodes together.
>> 713 "TOW Rosita Dies" where they ganged up against Chandler
> Which I thought was totally unjustified.
Yep, even stronger proof that they're on the same plane.
>> Whose Theory Of Dominance was Ross talking about?
> I tuned out his lecture. :)
Okay.
>> How far is it from NYU to the Freeman Building on Avenue A?
> No idea.
Okay.
>> How come Doctor Professor Geller doesn't know where his next class is?
> Good point.
Thanks.
>> Ross says that he can't afford to cross town six times a week in a cab,
>> since he's not Rockefeller (the first big business tycoon) - but since
>> when has he cared about money?
> When he has a second child on the way, and his son is at an expensive
> private school?
I'm building up to something...
>> Or is he financially over-stretched by Ben's private schooling?
>> If so, can he afford to support a second child?
> I really should read the whole paragraph before I comment! :)
..there it is!
>> Ross was quite funny teaching class on wheels, especially deploying his
>> pointer to save himself from departing through the door, but why didn't
>> he take the roller blades off while waiting for the students to arrive?
> Since he was having trouble balancing, how did he skate across town?
Ooh, that's a *good* point!
>> Monica seems very happy to have a video game in her guest room, when she
>> was so against the idea in 603 "TOW Ross's Denial".
> Great minds think alike.
Ta.
>> Why didn't Chandler get the other five to help him move the machine?
> Don't ask me. :)
Probably the same reason why Ross got his weakest male friend and his
weakest female friend to help him carry the sofa up the stairs.
>> If you can only enter three-letter words like A-S-S into the high score
>> table, what else did Chandler put in? Since Monica threatens "you won't
>> be getting one of those from me", would that include B-L-O and J-O-B?
> That's what I assumed - see my own review! :)
I'm not surprised - since I originally wrote that, I've discovered that
everybody had the same idea. We've all seen too many high score tables.
>> What profanities did that operatic Phoebe cry out? I got "son of a
>> bitch", "motherfucker", and "asshole" - was there anything else?
> Wonder if the network got any complaints over this?
I haven't heard of any.
>> Does it worry you that S8 has just the Joey-Rachel(baby)-Ross-Mona story
>> arc, then nothing else for the other characters since Chandler & Monica
>> returned from their honeymoon, and Phoebe had a double episode with Sean
>> Penn? Are there too many incidental stories, even if they are fun?
> Yes.
Okay. Did you like my "Rachel(baby)" depiction of the pregnancy?
>> Did you know that in the language of flowers, those beautiful white
>> lilies mean "it is heavenly to be with you"?
> No, but how did *you* know that?
Marita Bakken told me.
>> Did you notice that Joey & Rachel cuddling in the chair echoed Chandler
>> & Monica doing the exact same thing in 516 "TOW the Cop"
> Something like that happened with C&M late in S4 IIRC.
I think you mean S3, but anyway the significance of the 516 cuddle
is that was the one that made Joey yearn for more than mere sex.
>> Don't you just love it when an episode ends without a laugh, merely a
>> fade to black that leaves you agog for next week?
> Nothing in this episode that does that for me.
Oh dear.
> NB, this time I wrote my review before I read yours!
Good for you!
Tennant
André Knoche
> In article <D18GJuA2...@activist.demon.co.uk>, Paul Hyett
> <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >> At New Year's Eve in 511 "TOW All the Resolutions", Joey manipulated
all
> >> his friends in just 70 seconds so that he got to kiss Rachel at
midnight
>
> > No, all the manipulation was so C&M could kiss.
>
> That was the starting point - but Joey was in control, and he got Rachel.
*this* argument, if it goes any further should be interesting to watch. I
have tried to argue with Tennant on this, though he wouldn't bother replying
to me, and Dennis also disagreed with Tennant's idea of that scene in 511,
don't know if he had been already killfiled then.
How can any person with a working mind think that Joey was the one to
manipulate here?
The scene goes as follows:
Monica and Chandler want to kiss at midnight and tell Joey about it.
Joey goes off to ask Ross, if he'd rather kiss Rachel or Phoebe at midnight,
since he can't kiss his sister. He also uses his reputation as a womanizer,
when he asks Ross whom he'd rather have kissing his sister, the only clever
thing Joey did in the whole scene.
Ross picks Phoebe due to his history with Rachel
Joey tells Phoebe that Ross wants to kiss her at midnight
Joey tells Rachel that he is going to kiss her on midnight, since she can't
kiss Ross due to their history and he assumes that she'd rather be kissed by
him than Chandler.
How on earth was Joey manipulative here? And who is he supposed to have
manipulated??
Andre
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Paul Hyett
considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>
>
>Exactly, and wasn't Monica just as cute as a button?
>
>
>> Lack of candy?
>
>Ah yes, the energy boost.
Actually, I was thinking 'distraction'.
>
>> Carol & Susan are *not* going to be happy with Phoebe!
>
>I knowwww!!! What will they do?
If they try to scare her by suggesting a threesome, she might just call
their bluff! :)
>
>> I found this latter part irritating.
>
>That was just Rachel's little joke. :)
No, I meant the whole scene, not just the gay joke.
>>> And although the video
>>> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
>
>> Selling it a little short, IMO.
>
>Well, it was okay, but I kept wanting to see what Joey & Rachel were doing.
Now, if they'd been playing Defender... :)
Come to think of it, I don't think I've *ever* seen a girl playing that.
>
>> No, all the manipulation was so C&M could kiss.
>
>That was the starting point - but Joey was in control, and he got Rachel.
I thought it just happened that way, there was no deliberate plan.
>
>> In an *alternative* timeline though.
>
>That makes it even more valid foreshadowing, since it's an experiment.
I disagree - unlike C&M's hug in TOW the Flashback, it happened in a
different timeline.
>
>> That's what I assumed - see my own review! :)
>
>I'm not surprised - since I originally wrote that, I've discovered that
>everybody had the same idea. We've all seen too many high score tables.
Alas, my name got on the too rarely. Apart from that Defender score, my
only other arcade game achievement was to complete Out Run once.
>
>Okay. Did you like my "Rachel(baby)" depiction of the pregnancy?
It was OK.
>
>> Something like that happened with C&M late in S4 IIRC.
>
>I think you mean S3
No, I definitely meant S4.
Look on the Friends page of my website for the S4 review, and check TOW
the Free Porn, or go to about 16m15s on your DVD.
Paul Hyett
considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>>
>all
>> >> his friends in just 70 seconds so that he got to kiss Rachel at
>midnight
>>
>> > No, all the manipulation was so C&M could kiss.
>>
>> That was the starting point - but Joey was in control, and he got Rachel.
>
>*this* argument, if it goes any further should be interesting to watch.
I did take it further.
>How can any person with a working mind think that Joey was the one to
>manipulate here?
That's a little harsh, but the only manipulation was Joey arranging for
C&M to kiss, everything else just sort of fell into place.
<Snip concise scene description>
>
>How on earth was Joey manipulative here? And who is he supposed to have
>manipulated??
Exactly.
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Buttons are cute?
It's an expression! :)
>>> Lack of candy?
>> Ah yes, the energy boost.
> Actually, I was thinking 'distraction'.
Oh.
>>> Carol & Susan are *not* going to be happy with Phoebe!
>> I knowwww!!! What will they do?
> If they try to scare her by suggesting a threesome, she might just call
> their bluff! :)
Lol!
>>> I found this latter part irritating.
>> That was just Rachel's little joke. :)
> No, I meant the whole scene, not just the gay joke.
Oh dear! Well, never mind.
>>>> And although the video
>>>> game story had some great moments, it was really no more than filler.
>>> Selling it a little short, IMO.
>> It was okay, but I kept wanting to see what Joey & Rachel were doing.
> Now, if they'd been playing Defender... :)
Lol!
> Come to think of it, I don't think I've *ever* seen a girl playing that.
Oh, I have, and beating the pants off me! :)
>>> No, all the manipulation was so C&M could kiss.
>> That was the starting point - but Joey was in control, and he got Rachel.
> I thought it just happened that way, there was no deliberate plan.
But of course, he was making it up as he went along.
>>> In an *alternative* timeline though.
>> That makes it even more valid foreshadowing, since it's an experiment.
> I disagree - unlike C&M's hug in TOW the Flashback, it happened in a
> different timeline.
That's right, but I'm talking about the writers trying things out.
If the viewers like it, the team can make things happen in the proper
timeline, but if it's not well received, then it was just a fantasy.
>>> That's what I assumed - see my own review! :)
>> I'm not surprised - since I originally wrote that, I've discovered that
>> everybody had the same idea. We've all seen too many high score tables.
> Alas, my name got on the too rarely. Apart from that Defender score, my
> only other arcade game achievement was to complete Out Run once.
Gosh!
>> Okay. Did you like my "Rachel(baby)" depiction of the pregnancy?
> It was OK.
Thanks, anyway.
>>> Something like that happened with C&M late in S4 IIRC.
>> I think you mean S3
> No, I definitely meant S4.
Oh okay.
> Look on the Friends page of my website for the S4 review,
I don't have to, I do of course have all your reviews. :)
> and check TOW the Free Porn, or go to about 16m15s on your DVD.
Ah, but of course, you are quite correct! :)
IMHO the best foreshadowing came three episodes later, when Chandler
remarked that he doesn't dance at weddings, because he looks silly,
and weddings are a great place to meet women.
Tennant
Paul Hyett
>
>
>Oh, I have
>, and beating the pants off me! :)
>
Was that before or after the game? :)
>
>> Look on the Friends page of my website for the S4 review,
>
>I don't have to, I do of course have all your reviews. :)
>
>> and check TOW the Free Porn, or go to about 16m15s on your DVD.
>
>Ah, but of course, you are quite correct! :)
I actually out-trivia'd you! :)
Tennant Stuart
<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> stated this
> considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
>>> I don't think I've *ever* seen a girl playing that.
>> Oh, I have, and beating the pants off me! :)
> Was that before or after the game? :)
Grin.
>>> Look on the Friends page of my website for the S4 review,
>> I don't have to, I do of course have all your reviews. :)
>>> and check TOW the Free Porn, or go to about 16m15s on your DVD.
>> Ah, but of course, you are quite correct! :)
> I actually out-trivia'd you! :)
Yay for you!
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.1c6afc4b24...@argonet.co.uk>...
>>>> What I will say however, is check out the thread "Jane Sibbett
>>>> (Carol) on Cheers", where you'll see something that can't be produced
>>>> with the on-line version of the IMDb.
>>> RPGOL!! Yeah, I saw that post. Good call.
>> TT - I've done the movies now.
>> You'll never guess which came top of the list.
> Edtv? I haven't even seen that movie, but there were many other famous
> flicks on that list of yours.
That's right - I bet when you watched "Independence Day", you didn't say
to yourself "ooh look, there's someone from 'Friends'" eight times, did
you? I'm afraid I didn't even recognise Mindy Hunter & Sarah Tuttle!
Marita Bakken
> >>>> What I will say however, is check out the thread "Jane Sibbett
> >>>> (Carol) on Cheers", where you'll see something that can't be produced
> >>>> with the on-line version of the IMDb.
>
> >>> RPGOL!! Yeah, I saw that post. Good call.
>
> >> TT - I've done the movies now.
> >> You'll never guess which came top of the list.
>
> > Edtv? I haven't even seen that movie, but there were many other famous
> > flicks on that list of yours.
>
> That's right - I bet when you watched "Independence Day", you didn't say
> to yourself "ooh look, there's someone from 'Friends'" eight times, did
> you? I'm afraid I didn't even recognise Mindy Hunter & Sarah Tuttle!
You're right. And when I think about it now, I only remember Will
Smith dragging an alien through the desert, and the White House being
blown to pieces.
The funny thing is that "Edtv" airs tomorrow on one of the TV-channels
here. I might tune in to see if I can recognize some people.
~Marita
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Marita Bakken
Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<na.73b52a4b25...@argonet.co.uk>...
> >> You'll never guess which came top of the list.
> > Edtv? I haven't even seen that movie, but there were many other famous
> > flicks on that list of yours.
>
> That's right - I bet when you watched "Independence Day", you didn't say
> to yourself "ooh look, there's someone from 'Friends'" eight times, did
> you? I'm afraid I didn't even recognise Mindy Hunter & Sarah Tuttle!
You're right. And when I think about it now, I only remember Will
Smith dragging an alien through the desert, and the White House being
blown to pieces.
The funny thing is that "Edtv" aired a couple of days after we talked
about it, and I still didn't recognize that many people. I remember
seeing Alexandra Holden and Adam Goldberg, though.
~Marita
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Tennant Stuart
Marita Bakken wrote:
> Reposted for Tennant..
Here is the second of your four pairs of prodigal posts, which arrived
after taking the scenic route - my apologies once again for all this.
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>>>> You'll never guess which came top of the list.
>>> Edtv? I haven't even seen that movie, but there were many other famous
>>> flicks on that list of yours.
>> That's right - I bet when you watched "Independence Day", you didn't say
>> to yourself "ooh look, there's someone from 'Friends'" eight times, did
>> you? I'm afraid I didn't even recognise Mindy Hunter & Sarah Tuttle!
> You're right. And when I think about it now, I only remember Will
> Smith dragging an alien through the desert, and the White House being
> blown to pieces.
I think I winced most at the notion of the aliens being defeated by a
computer virus - but then the laser disc version is different, making
a bit more sense (it's 8 minutes longer IIRC).
> The funny thing is that "Edtv" aired a couple of days after we talked
> about it, and I still didn't recognize that many people. I remember
> seeing Alexandra Holden and Adam Goldberg, though.
Here are the other 7, with their parts in "Edtv" and "Friends"...
Merrin Dungey .... Ms.Seaver ....... Museum Official (622)
Gina Hecht ....... Party Girl ...... Richard's Date (313)
Jay Leno ......... Himself ......... Himself (111)
Merrill Markoe ... Panel Member .... Marsha (102)
Harry Shearer .... Moderator ....... Dr.Baldharar (121)
T.J.Thyne ........ Frat Guy ........ Dr.Oberman (503)
Barry Wiggins .... Sports Anchor ... Man (710)
..well, I didn't say it would be easy, though Leno is recognisable.
Marita Bakken
>Here is the second of your four pairs of prodigal posts, which
arrived
>after taking the scenic route - my apologies once again for all this.
NW. :)
>> You're right. And when I think about it now, I only remember Will
>> Smith dragging an alien through the desert, and the White House
being
>> blown to pieces.
>
>I think I winced most at the notion of the aliens being defeated by a
>computer virus - but then the laser disc version is different, making
>a bit more sense (it's 8 minutes longer IIRC).
IC. I haven't seen the movie for ages, but it's weird that it hasn't
been shown on TV dozens of times in the USA since last fall. It would
have been such a typical patriotic movie.
>> The funny thing is that "Edtv" aired a couple of days after we
talked
>> about it, and I still didn't recognize that many people. I remember
>> seeing Alexandra Holden and Adam Goldberg, though.
>
>Here are the other 7, with their parts in "Edtv" and "Friends"...
>
> Merrin Dungey .... Ms.Seaver ....... Museum Official (622)
> Gina Hecht ....... Party Girl ...... Richard's Date (313)
> Jay Leno ......... Himself ......... Himself (111)
> Merrill Markoe ... Panel Member .... Marsha (102)
> Harry Shearer .... Moderator ....... Dr.Baldharar (121)
> T.J.Thyne ........ Frat Guy ........ Dr.Oberman (503)
> Barry Wiggins .... Sports Anchor ... Man (710)
>...well, I didn't say it would be easy, though Leno is recognisable.
Yeah, that was hard, and Leno is definitely the easiest.
~Marita
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Tennant Stuart
bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> You're right. And when I think about it now, I only remember Will
>>> Smith dragging an alien through the desert, and the White House being
>>> blown to pieces.
>> I think I winced most at the notion of the aliens being defeated by a
>> computer virus - but then the laser disc version is different, making
>> a bit more sense (it's 8 minutes longer IIRC).
> IC. I haven't seen the movie for ages, but it's weird that it hasn't
> been shown on TV dozens of times in the USA since last fall. It would
> have been such a typical patriotic movie.
It's a very September 10th movie.
>>> The funny thing is that "Edtv" aired a couple of days after we talked
>>> about it, and I still didn't recognize that many people. I remember
>>> seeing Alexandra Holden and Adam Goldberg, though.
>> Here are the other 7, with their parts in "Edtv" and "Friends"...
>> Merrin Dungey .... Ms.Seaver ....... Museum Official (622)
>> Gina Hecht ....... Party Girl ...... Richard's Date (313)
>> Jay Leno ......... Himself ......... Himself (111)
>> Merrill Markoe ... Panel Member .... Marsha (102)
>> Harry Shearer .... Moderator ....... Dr.Baldharar (121)
>> T.J.Thyne ........ Frat Guy ........ Dr.Oberman (503)
>> Barry Wiggins .... Sports Anchor ... Man (710)
>> ...well, I didn't say it would be easy, though Leno is recognisable.
> Yeah, that was hard, and Leno is definitely the easiest.
Yep, though you might have got Harry Shearer's voice, from "The Simpsons".