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BigAl

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:05:27 AM1/15/02
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Still seeing posts about the red dot.

Wait for it to appear, press the red button on your remote 'please wait'
appears, while this is displayed hit the backup button. The red dot will
not come back as long as you stay on that channel, including advert breaks
and programme changes. Handy if you're going out and want to set the video.

This only works on the Sky Channels, it doesn't work on the BBC channels as
the interactive service kicks in immediately.

Alan


Robbins1940

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:57:16 AM1/15/02
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Trouble is that some adverts can ativate the red dot.

An advert comes on usually hoildays and in the top left corner a banner says
press red for broucher. Then when adverts finished the sky red dot reappears.

David

Bill

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Jan 15, 2002, 10:56:37 AM1/15/02
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"Robbins1940" <robbi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ok, im sorry but this is pathtic, its only a red dot in the top right of the
screen, it doesnt restrict viewing.
You are just against it because of the interactive services, you dont have
to use it. But some people think the interactive
services are good.

So will you all please be quiet about it, it is not hurting you when you
have got a big TV screen and one small red dot.
All I see now then I come into this newsgroup is people complaining and
moaning about a tiny red dot.

If you dont like it get rid of Sky!

Cheers


BigAl

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Jan 15, 2002, 11:20:11 AM1/15/02
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> So will you all please be quiet about it, it is not hurting you when you
> have got a big TV screen and one small red dot.

If this is a troll[1] it's quite funny.

If it's not.........

Alan
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[1] Never understood why a mythical scandanavian creature, would be used as
a synonym for a post with the deliberate intention of inciting angst.


snazzy

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Jan 15, 2002, 11:25:40 AM1/15/02
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no shit sherlock

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David Low

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Jan 15, 2002, 12:23:09 PM1/15/02
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"Bill" <n...@freeserve.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, im sorry but this is pathtic, its only a red dot in the top right of
the
> screen, it doesnt restrict viewing.
> You are just against it because of the interactive services, you dont have
> to use it. But some people think the interactive
> services are good.

Absolutely agree. The red dot does no harm and to be honest I don't even
notice it's there after a few minutes watching a programme. In the long
run, what problem does it cause?


Zugz

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Jan 15, 2002, 1:19:18 PM1/15/02
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"Bill" <n...@freeserve.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, im sorry but this is pathtic, its only a red dot in the top right of


the
> screen, it doesnt restrict viewing.

The word "distraction" may be the problem.

> You are just against it because of the interactive services, you dont have
> to use it. But some people think the interactive
> services are good.

OK. No one is asking for them to be scrapped. Er... not true scrap them and
reduce the subscription.

> So will you all please be quiet about it, it is not hurting you when you

Toshiba disagree. Read their manual.

> have got a big TV screen and one small red dot.

The dot gets bigger as the tv gets bigger. On my 50" ws its about a foot
across :)

> All I see now then I come into this newsgroup is people complaining and
> moaning about a tiny red dot.
>
> If you dont like it get rid of Sky!

Ah that would help.

Sorry guys to dignify this post with a reply. But I had to.

Later,
Zugz.


Zugz

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Jan 15, 2002, 1:21:09 PM1/15/02
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"David Low" <davi...@nospamelectricskeleton.net> wrote in message
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Read a Toshiba projection TV manual.


DurhamJester

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Jan 15, 2002, 1:25:45 PM1/15/02
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"BigAl" <al...@arogers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > So will you all please be quiet about it, it is not hurting you when you
> > have got a big TV screen and one small red dot.
>
> If this is a troll[1] it's quite funny.
>
> If it's not.........
>
> Alan
> --

If it's not, I think we've just found one of the people Sky use for their
viewer surveys. He probably can't understand why everybody complains about
shows being cropped to 4:3 as well.


Neil


no logo

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Jan 15, 2002, 4:28:56 PM1/15/02
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The red dot or logo may not matter BUT the point is some people do not want
some little-shit of a plc/corporation at it own will suddenly defacing their
screen with unwanted and irrelvent noise.


Some people are "purist" and some believe in technical / visual / artistic
excellence.

Each is entitled to their own oppinion, BUT here SKY are forcing their own
little world's viewpoint on other's who do not want this.


I have a neighbour who every time the weather is hot, he insists on playing
latino music at full volume. It is his God given right to do this, BUT the
rest of the neighbourhood does not want it. DITTO the DOG shit on the
screen.

I support www.logofreetv.org.uk that says GIVE PEOPLE CHOICE.


David Low

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:19:35 PM1/15/02
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"Zugz" <zugz....@DEL-ete-MEbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > notice it's there after a few minutes watching a programme. In the long
> > run, what problem does it cause?
>
> Read a Toshiba projection TV manual.

No thanks, don't have a Toshiba TV. Do please explain, though.


David Taylor

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:28:17 PM1/15/02
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It's called burn in.

Display the red dot for long enough, and it'll eventually permanently be
burnt in to the screen, and will be there even if Sky do eventually listen
to their customers and remove the bloody thing.

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David Taylor

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:29:56 PM1/15/02
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:56:37 -0000, in <a21jed$coh$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Bill <n...@freeserve.com> wrote:
> You are just against it because of the interactive services, you dont have
> to use it. But some people think the interactive
> services are good.

Wrong. I am against it because I'm paying some stupid amount per month to
view TV programs, not a red dot. I could buy a little sticker and watch
terrestrial TV if I wanted to view a red dot!

It has nothing to do with interactive services - the services work without
the dot there. Try pressing it during a new epsiode of
SG-1/buffy/enterprise/whatever, where they are at least intelligent enough
not to display the red dot. The interactive services still appear.

It's just there to.. annoy people?

Pete Samuels

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"Bill" <n...@freeserve.com> wrote in message
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No this is not good. On the startrek films recently there were 3 (yes
THREE!) bits of crap on the screen
The ZIT, The movie channel logo & a bit advertising ENTERPRISE.
How ling before the ZIT is joined by a yellow pustule?
We have to act now.


Pete Samuels

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Jan 16, 2002, 3:46:34 AM1/16/02
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Nowthen, this one I can answer.
Troll (Definition from The Cassell concise english dictionary) To roll or
reel out (a song) in a careless manner.
There's also something there about the use of "Bait" trailing from behind a
boat to catch "fish"

Or you could be right, and he just looks like a Troll, I dunno.

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Zugz

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Jan 16, 2002, 2:07:17 PM1/16/02
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"David Taylor" <david...@co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:19:35 GMT, in
<bO218.445$gF6.2...@news-text.cableinet.net>, David Low
<davi...@nospamelectricskeleton.net> wrote:
> > "Zugz" <zugz....@DEL-ete-MEbtinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:a21rul$orv$1...@paris.btinternet.com...
> >> > notice it's there after a few minutes watching a programme. In the
long
> >> > run, what problem does it cause?
> >>
> >> Read a Toshiba projection TV manual.
> >
> > No thanks, don't have a Toshiba TV. Do please explain, though.
>
> It's called burn in.
>
> Display the red dot for long enough, and it'll eventually permanently be
> burnt in to the screen, and will be there even if Sky do eventually listen
> to their customers and remove the bloody thing.

Yep. The manual warns very strongly about the problem. I'm hoping there may
be it a bit of arse covering though.One thing I am sure of. I loose out as I
don't like the dot. I loose out if Toshiba's warning proves justified :(


Ella Patterson

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Jan 17, 2002, 3:55:36 AM1/17/02
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no logo wrote:

I do not like the logos as they annoy me but do little harm, the red dot on the
other hand is a differnet matter. I suffer from a medical problem know as ocular
albinism with photophobia (biological not psychological) The result is that my
eyes react badly to light and flicker. i got a good 100hz tv to help with this
problem. With the contrast set to low and the 100hz I was able to watch tv
fairly well for a period until the red dot! With my contrast low for programmes
ir shines out like a torch light and causes my eyesight to blur badly until I
can get someone to remove it. Is this how customers should be treated!? There is
an interactive option,people can use it, who wants to go interactive in the
middle of their favourite programmes. Could a reminder on the banner, which
would appear and disappear with the banner, not be used instead?
Ella


Dom Robinson

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Jan 17, 2002, 4:21:41 PM1/17/02
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In article <3C469187...@qub.ac.uk>, e.pat...@qub.ac.uk says...

> I do not like the logos as they annoy me but do little harm, the red dot on the
> other hand is a differnet matter. I suffer from a medical problem know as ocular
> albinism with photophobia (biological not psychological) The result is that my
> eyes react badly to light and flicker. i got a good 100hz tv to help with this
> problem. With the contrast set to low and the 100hz I was able to watch tv
> fairly well for a period until the red dot! With my contrast low for programmes
> ir shines out like a torch light and causes my eyesight to blur badly until I
> can get someone to remove it. Is this how customers should be treated!? There is
> an interactive option,people can use it, who wants to go interactive in the
> middle of their favourite programmes. Could a reminder on the banner, which
> would appear and disappear with the banner, not be used instead?
> Ella
>
Sounds like you should be the first person to contact Sky over this
matter. Vie...@bskyb.com
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Driver

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Jan 19, 2002, 9:27:10 AM1/19/02
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you know that pressing 'Backup' removes any active logo from the screen?


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Dom Robinson

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Jan 19, 2002, 11:05:04 AM1/19/02
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In article <Rpf28.28243$8s4.1...@news.indigo.ie>, nob...@hotmaill.comm
says...

> you know that pressing 'Backup' removes any active logo from the screen?
>
Oh shut up and read the previous threads. You know they come back after
every bloody advert break, and how the hell can you press backup when
you're out and are using the VCR to change the channel on your digibox?

Jim Hatfield

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Jan 19, 2002, 12:17:41 PM1/19/02
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:05:27 -0000, "BigAl"
<al...@arogers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Still seeing posts about the red dot.
>
>Wait for it to appear, press the red button on your remote 'please wait'
>appears, while this is displayed hit the backup button. The red dot will
>not come back as long as you stay on that channel, including advert breaks
>and programme changes. Handy if you're going out and want to set the video.

Not much use if you watch everything timeshifted like I do.


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Dom Robinson

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Jan 19, 2002, 2:04:09 PM1/19/02
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In article <ngaj4usc54hv1j4r0...@4ax.com>, s...@the.sig
says...

> email: jim.hatfield.org (replace the "a" with "@")
>
Tried to do that, but it rejected. Vie...@bskyb.com was the answer, but
I hate it when people email you and still leave the spam-trap on when
they expect a reply. Jeez!

Jim Hatfield

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:04:09 -0000, Dom Robinson
<cakedi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>In article <ngaj4usc54hv1j4r0...@4ax.com>, s...@the.sig
>says...
>> email: jim.hatfield.org (replace the "a" with "@")
>>
>Tried to do that, but it rejected. Vie...@bskyb.com was the answer, but
>I hate it when people email you and still leave the spam-trap on when
>they expect a reply. Jeez!

The address is correct. I tried to register hatfield.org but it was
gone so I took tfield.org instead. But I receive mail directly to a
sendmail which checks a few antispam databases and it was likely one
of these which made it bounce. I plan to mod it to just add a header
so I can have all marked mail dumped for later perusal, to make sure I
don't lose anything useful, such as yours. You don't remember what the
bounce message was, by any chance?

I use two incarnations of Agent, one for mailing and one for posting,
since unfortunately Agent won't let you use different addresses for
the two functions. The one I use for mail has the correct address.
Unfortunately this can catch you out if you launch a mailto: URL on a
Web page since it seems to launch the wrong one 50% of the time...

jim
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Dom Robinson

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In article <c76m4u82tjc8o6lq6...@4ax.com>, s...@the.sig
says...

> You don't remember what the
> bounce message was, by any chance?
>
Haven't got a clue. Just groaned at the anti-spam trap and hit delete.
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Diamond

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Jan 22, 2002, 3:40:15 PM1/22/02
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Ella,

I think you should make an offical complaint to SKY and if they don't do
anything then contact BBC's Watchdog program and get them to shame Sky into
removing it.

You have a better reason then the vast majority of us for not having this
forced upon us. And as long as you don't mind being famous onTV I think
WatchDog would jump at the chance to take on Sky.

When a lot of TV programs on the BBC, Channel 5, CH4, ITV, etc start the
number 888 appears for about 4 or 5 seconds to let Deaf viewers know that
subtitles are available for this program, they come and they go away in a
timely fashion.

I'd have no real problem if the Red Dot did the same, come on for a few
seconds at the start of a program and then get lost for the rest of it.

I have no problems with the Red Dot during commercial breaks either.

If anyone's projection TV becomes courrupted through this dot, then they
should send Sky the repair/replacement bill and see what they say.

The simple fact is that there is no reason why there has to be a logo of any
sort spoiling our viewing. The broadcasters make the argument that people
won't know what channel they are watching, but press the "i" button and it
not only tell you the channel but even what programme.

I was watching a movie a number of weeks ago on BBC Choice which was set in
a prison where the main character spent most of the time in a dark cell and
right across the screen was the words "www.bbc.co.uk/choice/" - what will be
next their full address and telephone number throughout a movie. In fact
this isn't as crazy as it seems - until recently if you wre to hire an
Indian movie from a shop - one corner as well as the botton of the picture
would have nothing but rolling ads throughout the entire movie.

Sky Used to have logos ontheir Movie channels until people complained.


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BigAl

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> The simple fact is that there is no reason why there has to be a logo of
any
> sort spoiling our viewing. The broadcasters make the argument that people
> won't know what channel they are watching, but press the "i" button and it
> not only tell you the channel but even what programme.

Not trying to defend $ky here, but there are a large number of cable
customers who don't have that facility, and, according to $ky, find the
logos useful for channel identification.

However, you'd think with all this technology available, they could if they
wanted to, remove the logos from the screens of those who take their
service.

>When a lot of TV programs on the BBC, Channel 5, CH4, ITV, etc start
> the number 888 appears for about 4 or 5 seconds to let Deaf viewers
>know that subtitles are available for this program, they come and they go
> away in a timely fashion.

Good point, no reason why this couldn't be applied to the red dot as well.

Alan


Wibble

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Jan 23, 2002, 11:19:24 AM1/23/02
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If you press the backup button, the red dot will disappear, similarly the
info button on BBC news etc. It comes back after adverts, but you can get
rid of it again. I'm not defending it, I find them extremely annoying, but
should enable you to watch the channel.


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Tessy

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:19:24 -0000, "Wibble" <martin....@bt.com>
wrote:

>
>If you press the backup button, the red dot will disappear, similarly the
>info button on BBC news etc. It comes back after adverts, but you can get
>rid of it again. I'm not defending it, I find them extremely annoying, but
>should enable you to watch the channel.

[...]

Have you actually been reading this thread?
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Wibble

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Jan 24, 2002, 9:29:30 AM1/24/02
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No, there is only one message which didn't mention it.

Sorry if I tried to be helpful.

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Tessy

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Look and Lurk, mate, Look and Lurk.

The thread is yonks old - which you would have realised if you hadn't
jumped in feet first with your eyes wide shut.

Look and lurk.
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Dom Robinson

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Jan 25, 2002, 2:26:16 PM1/25/02
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In article <a2mn21$9r6$1...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>,
al...@NOSPAMarogers.freeserve.co.uk says...

> > The simple fact is that there is no reason why there has to be a logo of
> any
> > sort spoiling our viewing. The broadcasters make the argument that people
> > won't know what channel they are watching, but press the "i" button and it
> > not only tell you the channel but even what programme.
>
> Not trying to defend $ky here, but there are a large number of cable
> customers who don't have that facility, and, according to $ky, find the
> logos useful for channel identification.
>
If you don't know what channel you're watching, you don't deserve to have
a TV.

Dom Robinson

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Jan 25, 2002, 2:26:18 PM1/25/02
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In article <2i1u4us7no95pqf7u...@4ax.com>, te...@nospam.com
says...
And there's no adverts on the BBC but the damn thing still comes back
every 15 mins or so.

fred

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Feb 17, 2002, 5:29:39 AM2/17/02
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FUCK OFF YOU SHIT HEAD

it ruins videos when you cant do the fuckin quiz anyway

you r talking shite

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:56:37 -0000, "Bill" <n...@freeserve.com> wrote:

>"Robbins1940" <robbi...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20020115065716...@mb-fq.aol.com...
>> Trouble is that some adverts can ativate the red dot.
>>
>> An advert comes on usually hoildays and in the top left corner a banner
>says
>> press red for broucher. Then when adverts finished the sky red dot
>reappears.
>>
>> David
>
>Ok, im sorry but this is pathtic, its only a red dot in the top right of the
>screen, it doesnt restrict viewing.
>You are just against it because of the interactive services, you dont have
>to use it. But some people think the interactive
>services are good.
>

>So will you all please be quiet about it, it is not hurting you when you
>have got a big TV screen and one small red dot.

Eddie Talbot

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"Bill" <n...@freeserve.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, im sorry but this is pathtic, its only a red dot in the top right of the
> screen, it doesnt restrict viewing.

YES, it does. There's nothing worse than having something you have no control
over.

> You are just against it because of the interactive services, you dont have
> to use it. But some people think the interactive services are good.

Why would a viewer, who really wanted to watch a programme on Sky, then press
the red button so as to stop watching the programme in order to use the
interactive service ? Doesn't that defeat the object of broadcasting the
programme ?

> If you dont like it get rid of Sky!

We should have the CHOICE whether it's there or not - that's the whole point of
Sky, surely. They are goading us into using their expensive interactive
services.


bqwerty

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Try using the backup button...
BQ
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Zugz

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"Eddie Talbot" <ed...@SPAMDEFEATtalbot.org> wrote in message
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<snip>

> We should have the CHOICE whether it's there or not - that's the whole
point of
> Sky, surely. They are goading us into using their expensive interactive
> services.

Can be the only reason for Sky's attitude.
Zugz.


Andrew Spencer

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On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:16:11 -0000, "bqwerty"
<bertie...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Try using the backup button...
>BQ

After every advert break as well...what fun!!!!

BigAl

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> >Try using the backup button...
> >BQ
> After every advert break as well...what fun!!!!
>

Another one who missed the start of this thread, try using google groups and
find out how to disable it permanently ( well, at leat till you change
channels )

Alan


The Wizard

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Feb 19, 2002, 12:48:20 PM2/19/02
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"BigAl" <al...@NOSPAMarogers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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It's pretty easy to disable it for good.

Take the $ky brick and place it carefully....In a dustbin ;-)

Ade Vickers

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Feb 19, 2002, 1:46:47 PM2/19/02
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The Wizard wrote in uk.media.tv.sky:

>
> It's pretty easy to disable it for good.
>
> Take the $ky brick and place it carefully....In a dustbin ;-)

Yeah, but my reception goes all funny then...

:)

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The Wizard

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"Ade Vickers" <javi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The Wizard wrote in uk.media.tv.sky:
> >
> > It's pretty easy to disable it for good.
> >
> > Take the $ky brick and place it carefully....In a dustbin ;-)
>
> Yeah, but my reception goes all funny then...

Hey well,Mine more or less did the same :-/

I just prentended it was the north pole and laways snows,So Sky impossible
to receive :-)

I'm gonna dis-embowel the next digibox and really blow the chip that
displays the dot!

A pity there isnt one for the dogs too.

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