Acronyms and Other Jargon (REPOST)
Cat
probably still 'philes new to this group. So here's the list
again...
Standard USENET acronyms
AFAIK As Far As I Know
AITIHP And I Thought I Had Problems
ATM At The Moment
BCNU Be Seeing You
BTW By The Way
FAQ Frequently Asked Questions (ie, a list of answers)
FWIW For What It's Worth
HTH Hope That Helps
IIRC If I Remember/Recall Correctly
IMO In My Opinion
IMHO In My Humble Opinion
IMNSHO In My Not So Humble Opinion
IYKWIM (AITYD) If You Know What I Mean (And I Think You Do)
LOL Laughing out loud
Lurking Reading posts, but not posting
NG Newsgroup
NP Now Playing
OTOH On The Other Hand
POV Point Of View
RL Real Life
ROTFL(MAO) Rolling On the Floor Laughing (My Arse Off)
RTFM Read The Fucking Manual
SH Shit Happens
SSDD Same Shit, Different Day
TTFN Ta Ta (or That’s That) For Now
YMMV Your Mileage (or Methods) May Vary
Jargon found in this newsgroup
ADBB All Done, Bye Bye (from "Blood")
AOT Anyone Out There, long-running thread
ATX(-F) alt.tv.x-files
ATXC alt.tv.x-files.creative
BB "Bad Blood"
Buddy Skinner
CC Chris Carter, aka Twinkles, Master of Yuppie Morbidity,
etc. The Creator. (occasionally "Christmas Carol")
CATL or CITW Conversation against the Log or Conversation
in the Woods (from "Detour" - "...the best way to preserve body
heat is to crawl naked into a sleeping bag with someone else
who's already naked." - "Well, if it rains sleeping bags you
might get lucky.")
CITC Conversation in the Car (from "Tooms" - "Could be
love." - "Must be fate, Mulder. Rootbeer")
CITL Conversation in the Lift (from “Paper Clip” -
“conversation” is a euphemism here for what (might have) happened
when the doors closed...)
COTB Conversation on the Bench (from "Home" - "Find
yourself a man with a spotless genetic makeup..." - "What about
your family?")
COTR Conversation on the Rock (from "Quagmire" - "No,
flippant is my favourite line from Moby Dick...")
CSM Cigarette Smoking Man, aka Cancer Man
DATE Discussion Amongst the Everglades - see CATL.
DD David Duchovny
DDEB David Duchovny Estrogen Brigade (American spelling)
DM Darin Morgan (writer, occasional actor)
DS or DKS Dana (Katherine) Scully
DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
Ep Episode
Fanfic Fiction written by fans... :-)
FBI Federal Bureau of Intoxication
FBO Federal Bureau of Oddstuff
FIG Fat Italian Guy (one of the Elders)
FM or FWM Fox (William) Mulder
Focussed Obsessed but denying it
FTF Fight the Future
G, BG, BEG, ULG Grin, Big Grin, Big Evil Grin, Unfeasably
Large Grin, etc.
GA Gillian Anderson
GATB Gillian Anderson Testosterone Brigade
GLTDD Go Lock The Door Duane (from "Duane Barry")
HANL Have A Nice Life (from "PX/TR&TB")
HDS Heavily Dirty Snicker
Ice Queen Scully (fan/fanfic name)
IHTDFAB I Have To Disappear For A Bit (from "The End")
KS "Killswitch"
LGM "Little Green Men" or the Lone Gunmen
MIB Men in Black (unidentified bad guys)
MM "Memento Mori" or Millennium
MMPA Mighty Morphin' Power Alien - the shapeshifter
MoaCSM "Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man"
MOTW Monster Of The Week
MP Mitch Pileggi (Skinner)
MT Mulder Torture
NA "Never Again"
Newbie Someone new to the newsgroup or new to The X-Files
NL Nicholas Lea (Krycek)
NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
NWWY Nice Working With You (from "Die Hand die Verletzt")
OBSSE Order of the Blessed Saint Scully the Enigmatic
OFSBA Oh For Some Boyish Agility (old thread)
PBV "The Pine Bluff Variant"
PH "Paper Hearts"
PMP "Post-Modern Prometheus"
PX/TR&TB "Patient X" and "The Red and the Black"
Ratboy Alex Krycek
RST Resolved Sexual Tension
Schwartzenalien The shapeshifter (aka Ol' Lumpface) who
looks like Arnie.
SFW Sure, Fine, Whatever (from "Syzygy")
Ship, Shippers The FM/DS relation-ship; those focussed on it
Slash Gay fanfic.
SP "Small Potatoes"
SRE Scully's Rational Explanation (or Scientific....)
Sunshine Scully (from "Chinga")
TC "Talitha Cumi"
TFWID "The Field Where I Died"
TNWOGG There's No Way Out, Girly Girl (from "Irresistible")
TOW The One Where..../The One With.....
TSM The Smoking Man, aka CSM/Cancer Man
UX uk.media.tv.sf.x-files (aka UMTSX-F)
US "Unusual Suspects"
UST Unresolved Sexual Tension
VG Vince Gilligan, aka Mr Shippy (writer)
WBD William B Davis (CSM)
WMM Well-Manicured Man
WOTC "War of the Coprophages"
WW "Wet Wired"
XC "Christmas Carol"
(T)XF The X-Files
XXX Cat XXX
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/6319/
Henk Ruiters
indeed I am a (Dutch) newbie to this group; our Dutch provider finally
connected us to this wonderful world of English philes.... A bit akward to
read the usa-newsgroup for they are so far ahead of us.... Too intricate and
extended to avoid spoilers. I am a viewer/fan of the very first hour: I saw
the pilot (when it really wás the pilot and not a re-run) on the BBC and I
was hooked. There isn't ONE single episode I've missed....
But this explanation on jargon is very usefull indeed.
thank you....!
elsa
<please explain to me the scientific nature of "the Whammy"?>
Michele
Cat wrote:
> Jargon found in this newsgroup
> CC Chris Carter, aka Twinkles, Master of Yuppie Morbidity,
> etc. The Creator. (occasionally "Christmas Carol")
Or now the Hive Master...<sniggers>
> CITC Conversation in the Car (from "Tooms" - "Could be
> love." - "Must be fate, Mulder. Rootbeer")
See! See! Rootbeer...
> CITL Conversation in the Lift (from “Paper Clip” -
> “conversation” is a euphemism here for what (might have) happened
> when the doors closed...)
Inddeed, it seems there is a widespread belief among
Shippers that M&S did the wild thing in that lift, belief
entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
"Going Down"
Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
> FBO Federal Bureau of Oddstuff
Shouldn't you mention this is from the X-Fools ?
> Focussed Obsessed but denying it
" OHMYGOD!!! He touched her sock!!!"
A Focussed Fan.
> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
Maybe but : The Chosen Few Have The Truth...besides it's
obvious they didn't...
> RST Resolved Sexual Tension
And pray, when did *that* happen ?
> Ship, Shippers The FM/DS relation-ship; those focussed on it.
Or would if there was one....eh eh...
> UST Unresolved Sexual Tension
And unresolved it's bound to remain...
> VG Vince Gilligan, aka Mr Shippy (writer)
aka Judas.
HANL
Michele, playing Air Guitar on Celebrity Skin (the
*record*).
Adam
>Just messing up your list a bit if you don't mind...;-)
>
>Cat wrote:
>
>
>> etc. The Creator. (occasionally "Christmas Carol")
>
>
>> CITC Conversation in the Car (from "Tooms" - "Could be
>> love." - "Must be fate, Mulder. Rootbeer")
>
The worst drink in the world!
>
>HANL
>Michele, playing Air Guitar on Celebrity Skin (the
>*record*).
Aww, spoilsport! I'm glad I'm not the only person in the world that
likes it though!
--
TNWOGG
Adam
Cat
>Cat wrote:
>Just messing up your list a bit if you don't mind...;-)
<bg> Oh sure, go ahead. Oh you did. Okay.
>> CITC Conversation in the Car (from "Tooms" - "Could be
>> love." - "Must be fate, Mulder. Rootbeer")
>
>See! See! Rootbeer...
Rootbeer back in Season 1 maybe. Iced Tea by Paper Clip ;-)
<Paper Clip>
>Inddeed, it seems there is a widespread belief among
>Shippers that M&S did the wild thing in that lift, belief
>entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
>"Going Down"
>Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
Uh...haven't we had this discussion before? <g> I didn't say they
did. I just said they might have...and that the implication from
their expressions that they might was intentional; if CC didn't
know about it, DD and GA did.
>> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
>
>...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
Nope....so, written this month's yet, Caroline Smith??
>> FBO Federal Bureau of Oddstuff
>
>Shouldn't you mention this is from the X-Fools ?
<g> Okay:
The FBO, Fax Smoulder, Donut Sulky, Wilbur Skinhead, Dancerman,
Y, Sore Throat, Ken the Labrat, Blow-up Betty, the Lederhosen and
the naked SWAT team belong to the X-Fools. Despite the guy on
Heart FM announcing it as the X-*Files* every other day.
>> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
>
>Maybe but : The Chosen Few Have The Truth...besides it's
>obvious they didn't...
Didn't, when? Are we talking Pilot ep here? :-)
>> RST Resolved Sexual Tension
>
>And pray, when did *that* happen ?
Um...Krycek and Marita, TR&TB.
>> Ship, Shippers The FM/DS relation-ship; those focussed on
>> it.
>
>Or would if there was one....eh eh...
"Queen Mary", wasn't it?
>> VG Vince Gilligan, aka Mr Shippy (writer)
>
>aka Judas.
Jude Gilligan, nah, doesn't go somehow.
>Michele, playing Air Guitar on Celebrity Skin (the
>*record*).
Cat, listening to Slider's Oasis video 'cause the remote isn't
within reach and I'm good at selective deafness...
Fiona
<AFZ...@arn1.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>Just messing up your list a bit if you don't mind...;-)
>
>> Jargon found in this newsgroup
>
>> CC Chris Carter, aka Twinkles, Master of Yuppie Morbidity,
>> etc. The Creator. (occasionally "Christmas Carol")
>
>Or now the Hive Master...<sniggers>
oohh that stung me!
>
>> CITC Conversation in the Car (from "Tooms" - "Could be
>> love." - "Must be fate, Mulder. Rootbeer")
>
>See! See! Rootbeer...
She lied! It *was* iced tea really..
>
>> CITL Conversation in the Lift (from “Paper Clip” -
>> “conversation” is a euphemism here for what (might have) happened
>> when the doors closed...)
>
>Inddeed, it seems there is a widespread belief among
>Shippers that M&S did the wild thing in that lift, belief
>entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
>"Going Down"
>Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
How do you know?
>
>> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
>
>...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
Dreaming the what???
>
>> Focussed Obsessed but denying it
>
>" OHMYGOD!!! He touched her sock!!!"
> A Focussed Fan.
A.k.a. Caroline.
>
>> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
... who are *not* dying, but gathering in numbers to watch the great
balding event at a hairdressers near you..
>
>> RST Resolved Sexual Tension
>
>And pray, when did *that* happen ?
A few years ago. When you were just a wee anti-shipper and were out
buying a new woolly hat.
>
>> Ship, Shippers The FM/DS relation-ship; those focussed on it.
>
>Or would if there was one....eh eh...
>
>> UST Unresolved Sexual Tension
>
>And unresolved it's bound to remain...
OK! CUT! I can't stand it any more...
<Takes Michele by the arm>
Now, come and sit down. We need to talk.
I know that this must seem very frightening to you.. I mean you have
been brainwashed into thinking that Moose and Squirrel will never get
it on.. which is not your fault.
<Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele.. to guide you to the
truth,where you will eventually feel the warmth of the MSR sunshine on
your back, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow.., the glide of
silk over steel,..snuffling....laving..
<blinks> Uh.. what was I saying?
Oh. Oh yes.< de-fogs glasses, takes deep breaths>
You have friends here who will help you through the inital stages of
denial and angst.. we will start you off slowly, showing you FBI hand
holding and tender words of love before sitting you in front of an
IMAX screen to watch a full shag. You're just not ready for that yet.
<shifts restlessly in chair>
But in the end it will be worth it, my friend.
You are in a dark place right now, and you must trust us to lead you
into the shipperlight of truth. It's a beautiful place, and you don't
know what you're missing.
We can save you from baldness, girly girl.
If you will let us.
I know it's hard for you to accept, and it's because we love you that
we are giving you these gifts, in case you slip back into your old
ways once the cleansing ritual has begun..
<Digs deep into holdall, produces mittens, knee socks, duffle, scarf,
woolly hat with pom pom *and* ear flaps...>
Take these noromo accessories and wear them only as a last resort.
If you survive season 6 without having to don them and parade around
as bald as a coot,.. well, then our work has been a success.
We wish you well, sister.
Shipperdom could be yours.
Retreat, and you hair is ours.
PS Adam? Your ass is ours too...<g>
There's nowhere to hide...
___
Fiona
xx
DEMEROL - High kicks for short redheads.
Adam
<snips mighty large speech>
>
Or, to put it another way...."You shall join the dark side"
>
>PS Adam? Your ass is ours too...<g>
Surely you'd some sort of lubrication for that?
>There's nowhere to hide...
>
I dunno. Maybe not hide, but I could get lost and make it hard for you
to find me - Just give me instructions on how to get to London, not
forgetting to give me the wrong departure time. Then send me to the
Odeon Haymarket in Leicester Square, convieniently overlooking the fact
that there is more than one Odeon in that area. :-)
Michele
[CC]
> >
> >Or now the Hive Master...<sniggers>
>
> oohh that stung me!
BZZZZZZZ!!! <muffled sniggers>
> >
> >> CITC Conversation in the Car (from "Tooms" - "Could be
> >> love." - "Must be fate, Mulder. Rootbeer")
> >
> >See! See! Rootbeer...
>
> She lied! It *was* iced tea really..
Come on Fiona ! We all know what a terrible liar Scully is, and she was far too assertive to be
lying. It WAS rootbeer, it WAS fate, and Noromos won this round!
> >Indeed, it seems there is a widespread belief among
> >Shippers that M&S did the wild thing in that lift, belief
> >entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
> >"Going Down"
> >Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
>
> How do you know?
Because TV!Scully would never do such a thing, Fanfic!Scully might...er strike that, not *might*,
Fanfic!Scully *would* do it...at every opportunity... til Mulder crawls out begging for
rest...and she ends up luring Skinner and the entire SWAT team inside the lift...but I
disgress...what I am saying is that this kind of behaviour is highly unlikely from the cool
collected and somewhat dull agent Scully.
> >
> >> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
> >
> >...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
>
> Dreaming the what???
Dunno...Dreaming The Badgers, was it?
> >
> >> Focussed Obsessed but denying it
> >
> >" OHMYGOD!!! He touched her sock!!!"
> > A Focussed Fan.
>
> A.k.a. Caroline.
And Julie...<Grin>
> >> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
>
> ... who are *not* dying, but gathering in numbers to watch the great
> balding event at a hairdressers near you..
I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy tucking LONG lock of hair
behind ear>
> >
> >> RST Resolved Sexual Tension
> >
> >And pray, when did *that* happen ?
>
> A few years ago. When you were just a wee anti-shipper and were out
> buying a new woolly hat.
You weren't even born then !
> >
> >> UST Unresolved Sexual Tension
> >
> >And unresolved it's bound to remain...
>
> OK! CUT! I can't stand it any more...
YARH YAHR YAHR !!! (aproximate rendition of a French smug evil laughter)
>
> <Takes Michele by the arm>
> Now, come and sit down. We need to talk.
< Michele growls but do as told>
Make it snappy! I have 117 First Year students to bully around...
> I know that this must seem very frightening to you.. I mean you have
> been brainwashed into thinking that Moose and Squirrel will never get
> it on..
Brainwashed by whom?
> which is not your fault.
Oh that's ok then...
> <Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele..
<liquid hydrogen stare>
REMOVE THAT HAND BANNISTER, before I bite it off...
to guide you to the
> truth,where you will eventually feel the warmth of the MSR sunshine on
> your back
My skin can't stand the sun much anyway...
>, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow..
I'd rather NOT!
the glide of
> silk over steel,
Nah, Fiona, nowadays it's velvet over marble...<g>
> ..snuffling....laving..
Rifting...
>
> <blinks> Uh.. what was I saying?
You were just about to say something about nubbin' ?
> Oh. Oh yes.< de-fogs glasses, takes deep breaths>
<LOL> You're hopeless! you know that?
>
> You have friends here who will help you through the inital stages of
> denial and angst.. we will start you off slowly,
I BEG YOUR PARDON ?
> showing you FBI hand
> holding and tender words of love before sitting you in front of an
> IMAX screen to watch a full shag.
You ain't got no X-F full shags !!!
> You're just not ready for that yet.
> <shifts restlessly in chair>
> But in the end it will be worth it, my friend.
> You are in a dark place right now, and you must trust us to lead you
> into the shipperlight of truth. It's a beautiful place, and you don't
> know what you're missing.
No, but I know exactly what I am avoiding : Mushballitis, a very debilitating highly
contagious illness.
> We can save you from baldness, girly girl.
<eyes widen in horror> HELP ! Fiona wants to stuff her pillowcase with my hair!
> If you will let us.
NEVER !
> I know it's hard for you to accept, and it's because we love you that
> we are giving you these gifts, in case you slip back into your old
> ways once the cleansing ritual has begun..
OK, Fiona, fess up, you used to be one of Vernon Ephesian's wives aren't you?
You escaped and rebuilt the Temple Of The Seven Stars on some remote island.
Another long lost Mulder's soulmate maybe ? <G>
> <Digs deep into holdall, produces mittens, knee socks, duffle, scarf,
> woolly hat with pom pom *and* ear flaps...>
<crosses arms stubbornly> I'll never wear them, besides I'm allergic to wool.
> We wish you well, sister.
> Shipperdom could be yours.
<slams door> I don't want it!
> Retreat, and you hair is ours.
Come and get it then...<threatening grin>
HANL
Michele.
Michele
>
> Rootbeer back in Season 1 maybe. Iced Tea by Paper Clip ;-)
Where's your proof ? Don't tell me they drank Iced Tea in that lift *as
well* !
> Uh...haven't we had this discussion before? <g> I didn't say they
> did. I just said they might have...and that the implication from
> their expressions that they might was intentional; if CC didn't
> know about it, DD and GA did.
How do you know this ?
>
> >> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
> >
> >...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
>
> Nope....so, written this month's yet, Caroline Smith??
<tapping foot impatiently> I was going to ask the same thing...come on
Smith! Stop drooling over your new male collegues and get on with it!
> >> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
> >
> >Maybe but : The Chosen Few Have The Truth...besides it's
> >obvious they didn't...
>
> Didn't, when? Are we talking Pilot ep here? :-)
>
Cat, I wish I had time, but it's late, I'm hungry and I've got to prepare
a briefing for tomorrow 's lecteurs meeting...so I will just say this:
They never did.
And certainly not in the Pilot.
The only hint of a vague something was in Red Museum and that was just
simple lust.
I will be in London this week end, so you'd better start not disagreeing
with me, I know where you live, and, which is even better I even know
where you work...<EG>
> >> RST
> Um...Krycek and Marita, TR&TB.
Oh, them! True, But we were never shown any UST to begin with...
>
> >> Ship, Shippers The FM/DS relation-ship; those focussed on
> >> it.
> >
> >Or would if there was one....eh eh...
>
> "Queen Mary", wasn't it?
Doesn't count ! It's NOT Scully. Besides "Oh Brother!" is not exactly the
kind of answer one would expect...
>
> >> VG Vince Gilligan, aka Mr Shippy (writer)
> >
> >aka Judas.
>
> Jude Gilligan, nah, doesn't go somehow.
<SINGING VERY LOUD> HEY JUDE! DON'T MAKE IT BAD
TAKE A SHIP EP, AND MAKE IT BETTER
REMEMBER NOT TO LET THEM HOLD HANDS,
THEN YOU CAN START TO MAKE IT FESTER....
HANL
Michele Mc Cartney.
Caroline Smith
> Fiona wrote:
> [CC]
> > >
> > oohh that stung me!
>
> BZZZZZZZ!!! <muffled sniggers>
It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
> > >See! See! Rootbeer...
> >
> > She lied! It *was* iced tea really..
>
> Come on Fiona ! We all know what a terrible liar Scully is, and she
> was far too assertive to be lying. It WAS rootbeer, it WAS fate, and
> Noromos won this round!
Sweetie. We're talking season one here. We're talking tentative
feelings of affection manifesting themselves through crisis and not
really having blossomed into anything we might consider lurve. Look
at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle shift is it not?
I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on the movie cos I'd
bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard evidence.
> > >entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
> > >"Going Down" Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
> >
> > How do you know?
>
> Because TV!Scully would never do such a thing, Fanfic!Scully
> might...er strike that, not *might*, Fanfic!Scully *would* do it...at
> every opportunity... til Mulder crawls out begging for
> rest...and she ends up luring Skinner and the entire SWAT team
> inside the lift...but I disgress...what I am saying is that this kind of
> behaviour is highly unlikely from the cool collected and somewhat dull
>agent Scully.
>
Oh I dunno, she was shagging her Fibbie instructor at one point in her
illustrious career - ever wonder how she landed TXF job? Note how TSM
is always smoking, when do people have a desperate urge to light up?
You get my drift <snicker>
Alls I'm saying is I think there's more to the Ice Maiden than meets the
lilac pants suited eye... IMHO her and Mulder have been going at it in
their office for years now and they're just damn good at maintaining a
professional front ;-)
> > >> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
> > >
> > >...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
> >
> > Dreaming the what???
>
> Dunno...Dreaming The Badgers, was it?
Never heard of it but it's coming soon to a post box near you.
> > >> Focussed Obsessed but denying it
> > >
> > >" OHMYGOD!!! He touched her sock!!!" A Focussed Fan.
> >
> > A.k.a. Caroline.
>
> And Julie...<Grin>
That's the one. Focused, not obsessed but able to maintain one's
concentration for long periods of time, keen attention to the most
acute of details, a wealth of information and facts and figures and
the filthiest minds this side of the N/S divide. Fans, ahh, god luv em!
> > >> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
> >
> > ... who are *not* dying, but gathering in numbers to watch the great
> > balding event at a hairdressers near you..
>
> I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy
> tucking LONG lock of hair behind ear>
You just keep telling yourself that oh soon to be balding one.
> > <Takes Michele by the arm>
> > Now, come and sit down. We need to talk.
>
> < Michele growls but do as told>
> Make it snappy! I have 117 First Year students to bully around...
>
Oooh fabulous sweetie, is it Fresher's week? Can I come and play?
> > <Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele..
>
> <liquid hydrogen stare>
> REMOVE THAT HAND BANNISTER, before I bite it off...
OI! That's just being nasty now. Unless of course she *wants* you
to bite her which isn't unheard of in these parts...
> >, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow..
>
> I'd rather NOT!
Oh kerrrrr-ist that's something even I'd rather not do!
> the glide of silk over steel,
>
> Nah, Fiona, nowadays it's velvet over marble...<g>
Oh have we found ourselves a new cliche, I mean a new erotic
term?
> > ..snuffling....laving..
>
> Rifting...
<stares> Oh sorry, for some reason I just thought of Slash there and
blanked completely!
> > <blinks> Uh.. what was I saying?
>
> You were just about to say something about nubbin' ?
Michele, don't get her started on that one. And don't mention
pounding either. Oops.
> > You have friends here who will help you through the inital stages of
> > denial and angst.. we will start you off slowly,
>
> I BEG YOUR PARDON ?
<vbg> I'm sure it was meant to come out like that.
> > showing you FBI hand
> > holding and tender words of love before sitting you in front of an
> > IMAX screen to watch a full shag.
>
> You ain't got no X-F full shags !!!
I think they're pending m'dear.
> No, but I know exactly what I am avoiding : Mushballitis, a very
debilitating highly
> contagious illness.
Yeah tell me about it <snicker>
> > We wish you well, sister. Shipperdom could be yours.
>
> <slams door> I don't want it!
This is like a whole new branch of the OBSSE right here.
I'm a little scared.
> > Retreat, and you hair is ours.
>
> Come and get it then...<threatening grin>
Fiona, I wouldn't if I were you, that's a really big pair of pinking
shears she's got there.
<wanders thattaway whistling innocently...>
ADBB,
Caroline.
Lian
Caroline Smith wrote in message <01bdee41$7cda2d00$LocalHost@default>...
>> [CC]
>> > oohh that stung me!
>> BZZZZZZZ!!! <muffled sniggers>
>It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
Groaaaan!! <and before you ask> most definitely not in a good way>
>> > >See! See! Rootbeer...
>> > She lied! It *was* iced tea really..
>> Come on Fiona ! We all know what a terrible liar Scully is, and she
>> was far too assertive to be lying. It WAS rootbeer, it WAS fate, and
>> Noromos won this round!
>Sweetie. We're talking season one here. We're talking tentative
>feelings of affection manifesting themselves through crisis and not
>really having blossomed into anything we might consider lurve. Look
>at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle shift is it not?
>I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on the movie cos I'd
>bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard evidence.
Yep extreeeeemely tentative, those first few awkward fumblings by two people
who have made supression an art form , trying to express affection without
giving anything away and without tipping over into the completely mush...and
using the number one cover. Humour.
>> > >entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
>> > >"Going Down" Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
>> > How do you know?
>> Because TV!Scully would never do such a thing, Fanfic!Scully
>> might...er strike that, not *might*, Fanfic!Scully *would* do it...at
>> every opportunity... til Mulder crawls out begging for
>> rest...and she ends up luring Skinner and the entire SWAT team
>> inside the lift...but I disgress...what I am saying is that this kind of
>> behaviour is highly unlikely from the cool collected and somewhat dull
>>agent Scully.
>Oh I dunno, she was shagging her Fibbie instructor at one point in her
>illustrious career - ever wonder how she landed TXF job? Note how TSM
>is always smoking, when do people have a desperate urge to light up?
>You get my drift <snicker>
OI! You get back here and take that back Smith!!
Ewww!! Scully and the CSM on the casting couch...ick, ick ICK...pardon me
while I go wash out my brain synapses.
Right...you are sooo going to be kicked out of the ranks of the Scullyists!!
>Alls I'm saying is I think there's more to the Ice Maiden than meets the
>lilac pants suited eye... IMHO her and Mulder have been going at it in
>their office for years now and they're just damn good at maintaining a
>professional front ;-)
<LOL> Yah-huh...so good that they seem to forget all about it even when
they're totally alone.
>> > >> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
>> > >...we know nothing about...<whistling and staring at nails>
>> > Dreaming the what???
>> Dunno...Dreaming The Badgers, was it?
>Never heard of it but it's coming soon to a post box near you.
Wait...is this the fanzine dedicated to Touched by an Angel? It's just..well
with that name and all.....
>> > >> Focussed Obsessed but denying it
>> > >" OHMYGOD!!! He touched her sock!!!" A Focussed Fan.
>> > A.k.a. Caroline.
>> And Julie...<Grin>
>That's the one. Focused, not obsessed but able to maintain one's
>concentration for long periods of time, keen attention to the most
>acute of details, a wealth of information and facts and figures and
>the filthiest minds this side of the N/S divide. Fans, ahh, god luv em!
'Cause no one else will....<g>
>> > >> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
>> > ... who are *not* dying, but gathering in numbers to watch the great
>> > balding event at a hairdressers near you..
>> I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy
>> tucking LONG lock of hair behind ear>
>You just keep telling yourself that oh soon to be balding one.
Uh-huh...that's right *we're* the delusional ones....<to Fiona> when's her
next shot due?
>> > <Takes Michele by the arm>
>> > Now, come and sit down. We need to talk.
>> < Michele growls but do as told>
>> Make it snappy! I have 117 First Year students to bully around...
>Oooh fabulous sweetie, is it Fresher's week? Can I come and play?
Nooo! Don't let her do it Michele!! All those first years scarred for life!
The horror!
>> > <Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele..
>> <liquid hydrogen stare>
>> REMOVE THAT HAND BANNISTER, before I bite it off...
>OI! That's just being nasty now. Unless of course she *wants* you
>to bite her which isn't unheard of in these parts...
And which parts might you be referring to Miss Smith? :)
>> >, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow..
>> I'd rather NOT!
>Oh kerrrrr-ist that's something even I'd rather not do!
<raises eyebrow> Err..yes...even if it does smell of strawberry shampoo and
what have you...
>> the glide of silk over steel,
>> Nah, Fiona, nowadays it's velvet over marble...<g>
>Oh have we found ourselves a new cliche, I mean a new erotic
>term?
<g> I think you had it right the first time....
>> > ..snuffling....laving..
>> Rifting...
><stares> Oh sorry, for some reason I just thought of Slash there and
>blanked completely!
As opposed too....? <ducks!!>
>> > <blinks> Uh.. what was I saying?
>> You were just about to say something about nubbin' ?
>Michele, don't get her started on that one. And don't mention
>pounding either. Oops.
Pounding and nubbins? Nubbins pounding? Pounding nubbins? Now why would you
not want people to mention those?
>> > You have friends here who will help you through the inital stages of
>> > denial and angst.. we will start you off slowly,
>> I BEG YOUR PARDON ?
><vbg> I'm sure it was meant to come out like that.
Either that or her keyboard got very very annoyed.
>> > showing you FBI hand
>> > holding and tender words of love before sitting you in front of an
>> > IMAX screen to watch a full shag.
>> You ain't got no X-F full shags !!!
>I think they're pending m'dear.
Very pending....
>> No, but I know exactly what I am avoiding : Mushballitis, a very
>debilitating highly contagious illness.
>Yeah tell me about it <snicker>
<nods> Very debilitating, Just as well you don't know any Shippers who quite
enjoy a bit of mush and who will be at UXmas then isn't it? <innocent smile>
>> > We wish you well, sister. Shipperdom could be yours.
>> <slams door> I don't want it!
>This is like a whole new branch of the OBSSE right here.
>I'm a little scared.
What the aggressive, militant, active recruiting side of OBSSE?
>> > Retreat, and you hair is ours.
>> Come and get it then...<threatening grin>
>Fiona, I wouldn't if I were you, that's a really big pair of pinking
>shears she's got there.
><wanders thattaway whistling innocently...>
[Whilst Fiona and Michele head in opposite direction..albeit it at a much
faster pace, with no whistling..but with Fiona doing some panicked
screaming..]
NWWY
Lian
Caroline Smith
> >Michele <michele...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote in article
> >> Fiona wrote:
> >> BZZZZZZZ!!! <muffled sniggers>
>
> >It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
>
> Groaaaan!! <and before you ask> most definitely not in a good way>
She really does y'know. and i wasn't going to ask about the groaning
bit, I just don't know what the inference there would be.
> >Sweetie. We're talking season one here. We're talking tentative
> >feelings of affection manifesting themselves through crisis and not
> >really having blossomed into anything we might consider lurve. Look
> >at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle shift is it not?
> >I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on the movie cos I'd
> >bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard evidence.
>
> Yep extreeeeemely tentative, those first few awkward fumblings by two
people
> who have made supression an art form , trying to express affection
without
> giving anything away and without tipping over into the completely
mush...and
> using the number one cover. Humour.
Oh yeah, it's in evidence right from that drop yer kecks Scully moment
in the Pilot episode, shall i count the gratuitous little touches through
the
season? The hand in the small of the back, the sitting just that little bit
too personal-spacey close, and then there were those moments when it
all came out into the open, go rewatch Beyond The Sea, Lazarus, hell
even Squeeze'll do it.
> >Oh I dunno, she was shagging her Fibbie instructor at one point in her
> >illustrious career - ever wonder how she landed TXF job? Note how TSM
> >is always smoking, when do people have a desperate urge to light up?
> >You get my drift <snicker>
>
> OI! You get back here and take that back Smith!!
> Ewww!! Scully and the CSM on the casting couch...ick, ick ICK...pardon me
> while I go wash out my brain synapses.
> Right...you are sooo going to be kicked out of the ranks of the
Scullyists!!
<ROTFL> Hey it was just a theory <snicker>
> >Alls I'm saying is I think there's more to the Ice Maiden than meets the
> >lilac pants suited eye... IMHO her and Mulder have been going at it in
> >their office for years now and they're just damn good at maintaining a
> >professional front ;-)
>
> <LOL> Yah-huh...so good that they seem to forget all about it even when
> they're totally alone.
Oh there is that too. Lian, hon, you're supposed to be on my side for this
bit, this is the bit where we weight the evidence *against* Michele,
we don't give her evidence to use against *us*.
Write that down before you forget it. Sheesh, you just can't get the staff
these days.
>
> >Never heard of it but it's coming soon to a post box near you.
>
> Wait...is this the fanzine dedicated to Touched by an Angel? It's
just..well
> with that name and all.....
Ha ha. <scowls> Ha.
> >That's the one. Focused, not obsessed but able to maintain one's
> >concentration for long periods of time, keen attention to the most
> >acute of details, a wealth of information and facts and figures and
> >the filthiest minds this side of the N/S divide. Fans, ahh, god luv em!
>
> 'Cause no one else will....<g>
Unless they inbreed <g>
> >> I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy
> >> tucking LONG lock of hair behind ear>
>
> >You just keep telling yourself that oh soon to be balding one.
>
> Uh-huh...that's right *we're* the delusional ones....<to Fiona> when's
her
> next shot due?
I think she missed it by a country mile.
BTW, what the hell is a country mile? Why is it different to a normal mile
or a city mile?
> >> < Michele growls but do as told>
> >> Make it snappy! I have 117 First Year students to bully around...
>
> >Oooh fabulous sweetie, is it Fresher's week? Can I come and play?
>
> Nooo! Don't let her do it Michele!! All those first years scarred for
life!
> The horror!
Hey, nothing scarring on the first date, I have that in my contract :-)
> >> <liquid hydrogen stare>
> >> REMOVE THAT HAND BANNISTER, before I bite it off...
>
> >OI! That's just being nasty now. Unless of course she *wants* you
> >to bite her which isn't unheard of in these parts...
>
> And which parts might you be referring to Miss Smith? :)
Oooh, well, now you're asking... um... y'know, *those* parts.
The parts beers don't reach but other stuff tickles....
> >> >, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow..
>
> >> I'd rather NOT!
>
> >Oh kerrrrr-ist that's something even I'd rather not do!
>
> <raises eyebrow> Err..yes...even if it does smell of strawberry shampoo
and
> what have you...
>
Don't mind the strawberry shampoo, it's the what-have-you i could live
without
although having said that, I've never been that big a fan of strawberry
shampoo
either, y'know i feel queasy every time i walk into the Body Shop.
> >> Nah, Fiona, nowadays it's velvet over marble...<g>
>
> >Oh have we found ourselves a new cliche, I mean a new erotic term?
>
> <g> I think you had it right the first time....
Oh you don't say <g>
> ><stares> Oh sorry, for some reason I just thought of Slash there and
> >blanked completely!
>
> As opposed too....? <ducks!!>
Ducks? Where?!
> >Michele, don't get her started on that one. And don't mention
> >pounding either. Oops.
>
> Pounding and nubbins? Nubbins pounding? Pounding nubbins? Now why would
you
> not want people to mention those?
Lian, girl, you got it all wrong. Nubbins are for laving, not pounding, who
the hell here wants their nubbins pounding (Fiona, put your hand down)?
Pounding generally comes after the laving and follows the snuffling. See?
> >> You ain't got no X-F full shags !!!
>
> >I think they're pending m'dear.
>
> Very pending....
Positively pending, prominently perchance?
> >> No, but I know exactly what I am avoiding : Mushballitis, a very
> >debilitating highly contagious illness.
>
> >Yeah tell me about it <snicker>
>
> <nods> Very debilitating, Just as well you don't know any Shippers who
quite
> enjoy a bit of mush and who will be at UXmas then isn't it? <innocent
smile>
No, no, me neither.
> >This is like a whole new branch of the OBSSE right here.
> >I'm a little scared.
>
> What the aggressive, militant, active recruiting side of OBSSE?
Huh? I'm not even in the OBSSE <g> Although i do live vicariously
through their order.
> >Fiona, I wouldn't if I were you, that's a really big pair of pinking
> >shears she's got there.
> ><wanders thattaway whistling innocently...>
>
> [Whilst Fiona and Michele head in opposite direction..albeit it at a much
> faster pace, with no whistling..but with Fiona doing some panicked
> screaming..]
Oh Fi, ya gotta run faster than that... and lose the silver bullets, and
the
garlic, they're not gonna work on someone who eats Camembert for fun.
ADBB,
Caroline.
Fiona
>Michele wrote
>> Fiona wrote:
>> > oohh that stung me!
>>
>> BZZZZZZZ!!! <muffled sniggers>
>
>It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
<rolls eyes> I don't believe you said that.
>
>> > >See! See! Rootbeer...
>> >
>> > She lied! It *was* iced tea really..
>>
>> Come on Fiona ! We all know what a terrible liar Scully is, and she
>> was far too assertive to be lying. It WAS rootbeer, it WAS fate, and
>> Noromos won this round!
>
>. Look at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle
> shift is it not?
>I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on the movie cos I'd
>bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard evidence.
Oh don't stop, Caroline, you're on a roll! Go on.. present Michele
with yer shipper mountain of hard stuff...
>
>> > >entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
>> > >"Going Down" Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
>> >
>> > How do you know?
>>
>> Because TV!Scully would never do such a thing,
Why not? She's got hormones just like the rest of us.(Well, the
rest of us *girls* anyway... although I'm not sure about Stimpy)
> Fanfic!Scully
>> might...er strike that, not *might*, Fanfic!Scully *would* do it...at
>> every opportunity... til Mulder crawls out begging for
>> rest...and she ends up luring Skinner and the entire SWAT team
>> inside the lift...but I disgress...
What fan fic have *you* been reading?!
<points discreetly>
Michele? Your glasses are fogged.
Here, have a tissue to clean them.
>>what I am saying is that this kind of
>> behaviour is highly unlikely from the cool collected and somewhat dull
>>agent Scully.
Just because she's cool on the outside doesn't make her a fridge
between the sheets you know.
>>
>, she was shagging her Fibbie instructor at one point in her
>illustrious career - ever wonder how she landed TXF job? Note how TSM
>is always smoking, when do people have a desperate urge to light up?
>You get my drift <snicker>
See? The woman will shag anything.<g>
>Alls I'm saying is I think there's more to the Ice Maiden than meets the
>lilac pants suited eye... IMHO her and Mulder have been going at it in
>their office for years now and they're just damn good at maintaining a
>professional front ;-)
<stands, applauds, gives Caroline a bag of smarties>
Wahey! Go girl!
That explains why their office is always in such a mess!
Papers on the floor, stains etched on the wood surfaces,
dirty underwear,..pencils on the ceiling...
>
>> > >> DTA Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
>Never heard of it but it's coming soon to a post box near you.
<vbg> Oh thank God. I need another fix.
>
>> > >> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
>> >
>> > ... who are *not* dying, but gathering in numbers to watch the great
>> > balding event at a hairdressers near you..
>>
>> I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy
>> tucking LONG lock of hair behind ear>
>
>You just keep telling yourself that oh soon to be balding one.
Oh I love it when we're winning.
<carves another notch on the convert-a-noromo progress stick>
>> > <Takes Michele by the arm>
>> > Now, come and sit down. We need to talk.
>>
>> < Michele growls but do as told>
>> Make it snappy! I have 117 First Year students to bully around...
>>
>> > <Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele..
>>
>> <liquid hydrogen stare>
Or do you mean 'liquid *nitrogen*'???
>> REMOVE THAT HAND BANNISTER, before I bite it off...
Shit! <blinks in horror> Michele just turned into DEATH for a few
seconds there!
You can put down that scythe now hon,.. although you might want to
keep hold of that hooded robe.. for when your head gets a little
chilly...the egg timer is cute though.
>
>> >, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow..
>>
>> I'd rather NOT!
>
>Oh kerrrrr-ist that's something even I'd rather not do!
Sorry. Maybe 'pungent' was the wrong word to use.
Fragrant?
Warm aroma?
>
>> the glide of silk over steel,
>>
>> Nah, Fiona, nowadays it's velvet over marble...<g>
Marble? Mmm smooth. But a bit cold.
>
>Oh have we found ourselves a new cliche, I mean a new erotic
>term?
>
>> > ..snuffling....laving..
>>
>> Rifting...
>
><stares> Oh sorry, for some reason I just thought of Slash there and
>blanked completely!
<LOL> No that's 'rutting'.<g>
>
>> > <blinks> Uh.. what was I saying?
>>
>> You were just about to say something about nubbin' ?
>
>Michele, don't get her started on that one. And don't mention
>pounding either. Oops.
Or knuckles,... pearl diving..."turn around"..
"Come on Scully!"...
<blushes> Um.. I think.. IHTDFAB !!!!
***************
-pause-
***************
<sound of well-thumbed DTA pages rustling, heavy sighs>
***************
-pause-
***************
<panting> OK, all better now.
<Combs hair into place, straightens clothes>
What were we talking about?
>> > You have friends here who will help you through the inital stages of
>> > denial and angst.. we will start you off slowly,
>>
>> I BEG YOUR PARDON ?
>
><vbg> I'm sure it was meant to come out like that.
Yep. I like to start off slow and build to a crescendo.
Which is exactly how the great noromo hair event will unfold.
We'll start of with just the *one* pair of scissors, and then....
>
>> > We wish you well, sister. Shipperdom could be yours.
>>
>> <slams door> I don't want it!
Oooh! Petulant little baldy isn't she?
>
>This is like a whole new branch of the OBSSE right here.
>I'm a little scared.
Do they slam doors a lot too?
No, don't tell me,.. you have to shave your head to join, right?
>
>> > Retreat, and you hair is ours.
>>
>> Come and get it then...<threatening grin>
>
>Fiona, I wouldn't if I were you, that's a really big pair of pinking
>shears she's got there.
Oohh come on then.. chase me. I love a good crimp.
Hey weren't those shears used on DD a few weeks ago??? :-)
Caroline Smith
> >Michele wrote
> >> Fiona wrote:
>
> >It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
>
> <rolls eyes> I don't believe you said that.
Hey the gag was there waiting to happen and well, be rude not to really.
No Fiona, stop slobbering, not that kind of gag.
> >. Look at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle
> > shift is it not? I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on
> >the movie cos I'd bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard
evidence.
>
> Oh don't stop, Caroline, you're on a roll! Go on.. present Michele
> with yer shipper mountain of hard stuff...
<g> Hell we don't have to even get into the movie - Michele could argue
that that was a special case in of itself. Just play a little rewind
through
the seasons, paying particular attention to the first 8 from season 2,
points
will be awarded for anyone coming out of One Breath with any other
conclusion
than that of Mulder adores Scully with all his little heart. Moving onto
Colony
and End Game where Mulder sacrifices his sister for Scully and then Scully
does that cute bit with the defibs and the medical forehead caress and then
sits in the same clothes till he wakes up before smiling one of *those*
smiles.
Teeth and all.
Not enough for you? Anasazi - bullet in the shoulder, proof undeniable of
ardent
smut-pending. But let's move onto Season 3 - sod the rift and look at the
later
eps; Pusher and Wet Wired coming to the fore here, hand holding, "Scully,
you
are the *only* one I trust" works for me every time.
Season 4 now folks. Come on down to the cancer-arc. Seen Memento Mori
of late Michele? Go back and watch the end five minutes if you can't handle
the
whole thing. My case could rest on that alone <g> Bit of Scully-lust in
Small
Ps, she wasn't exactly moving away in horror during that couch moment now
was she? Demons, medical Scully may have maintained a front while she was
pulling Mulder nekkid out the bath but it's all there in those final few
minutes
of the episode. Season 5 - do I need to do this to you? Go watch Redux II,
probably the closest we've come - bar the movie - to a full on declaration
of
love, I shouldn't need to cite specifics - there were kisses and lots of
em.
Detour, she sings for goodness sakes. She can't sing, she's embarassed to
sing but as Mulder curls up all snug and warm in her lap, she sings cos he
asks her to. Awww. See his face as she lies in that pool of blood in
Kitsunegari?
That's the face of a man who's lover-to-be is lying dead. Others from S5;
Kill
Switch - Mulder sets Scully apart from his porno nurses but it's obvious
who
he'd rather be bedding down with of a nighttime and coming towards the end
of
the round-up we have Folie A - you're my one in five billion - Deux. Hell,
these
two even share insane visions they're *that* close. And while Mulder may
have
been preoccupied in The End, Scully was just burning with jealousy that
wasn't
all professional in motivation and she's there at the last scene just
wrapping
her arms around him.
Fade out to: The Movie and we all know what happened there <snicker>
Michele - anything to say in your defense before the sentencing?
> >> might...er strike that, not *might*, Fanfic!Scully *would* do it...at
> >> every opportunity... til Mulder crawls out begging for
> >> rest...and she ends up luring Skinner and the entire SWAT team
> >> inside the lift...but I disgress...
>
> What fan fic have *you* been reading?! <points discreetly>
> Michele? Your glasses are fogged. Here, have a tissue to clean them.
<snicker> I think I read that one...
Did I dream one of Mulder, Skinner and Scully and I think one other woman
trapped in a lift with Skinner recounting hooker dreams from Nam and
people shouting advice from up above? Oh, no I didn't dream it and IIRC
a certain Ms Brooklyn was behind it...
<frantic sound of people sprinting to run an author search at Gossamer...>
> >>what I am saying is that this kind of
> >> behaviour is highly unlikely from the cool collected and somewhat dull
> >>agent Scully.
>
> Just because she's cool on the outside doesn't make her a fridge
> between the sheets you know.
You GO Girl! <bg>
> >, she was shagging her Fibbie instructor at one point in her
> >illustrious career - ever wonder how she landed TXF job? Note how TSM
> >is always smoking, when do people have a desperate urge to light up?
> >You get my drift <snicker>
>
> See? The woman will shag anything.<g>
Watch it, Lian's still threatening me with death for that one.
>
> >Alls I'm saying is I think there's more to the Ice Maiden than meets the
> >lilac pants suited eye... IMHO her and Mulder have been going at it in
> >their office for years now and they're just damn good at maintaining a
> >professional front ;-)
>
> <stands, applauds, gives Caroline a bag of smarties>
> Wahey! Go girl!
> That explains why their office is always in such a mess!
> Papers on the floor, stains etched on the wood surfaces,
> dirty underwear,..pencils on the ceiling...
It also explains why Scully was so damn eager to get her own domain,
I mean, *desk* I meant *desk*.
> >> > >> DTA. Dreaming The Answers (a certain fanzine)
>
> >Never heard of it but it's coming soon to a post box near you.
>
> <vbg> Oh thank God. I need another fix.
Bless you my child, thou shalt me absolved... or is is absorbed?
> >> I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy
> >> tucking LONG lock of hair behind ear>
> >
> >You just keep telling yourself that oh soon to be balding one.
>
> Oh I love it when we're winning.
> <carves another notch on the convert-a-noromo progress stick>
we are so much winning this one it hurts in the most pleasant of ways.
Michele, hon, is there no one who can step in on your side on this one? I
feel almost sorry for you.
> >> > <Takes Michele by the arm>
> >> > <Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele..
> >>
> >> <liquid hydrogen stare>
>
> Or do you mean 'liquid *nitrogen*'???
Which one's the icy one?
> >> >, smell the pungent odour of M&S afterglow..
> >>
> >> I'd rather NOT!
> >
> >Oh kerrrrr-ist that's something even I'd rather not do!
>
> Sorry. Maybe 'pungent' was the wrong word to use.
> Fragrant? Warm aroma?
<VBG> No, pungent was probably the right word and I'd still rather
not smell it!
> >> Rifting...
> >
> ><stares> Oh sorry, for some reason I just thought of Slash there and
> >blanked completely!
>
> <LOL> No that's 'rutting'.<g>
<snicker> It was the "r...ing" part that threw me.
> >Michele, don't get her started on that one. And don't mention
> >pounding either. Oops.
>
> Or knuckles,... pearl diving..."turn around"..
> "Come on Scully!"...
> <blushes> Um.. I think.. IHTDFAB !!!!
Yes, yes, I think you better had before you embarass yourself all
over the newsgroup.
> ***************
> -pause-
> ***************
>
> <sound of well-thumbed DTA pages rustling, heavy sighs>
>
>
> ***************
> -pause-
> ***************
>
> <panting> OK, all better now.
> <Combs hair into place, straightens clothes> What were we talking about?
You read In The Ruins again didn't you? Come on (sorry luvvie it just
slipped
into the normal run of the sentence!) fess up. There still aren't any
knuckles in
it y'know, no matter how much you and Julie may have wanted them.
> >This is like a whole new branch of the OBSSE right here.
> >I'm a little scared.
>
> Do they slam doors a lot too?
> No, don't tell me,.. you have to shave your head to join, right?
Um, no, no I don't think so. Unless they have really good wigs over there.
> >Fiona, I wouldn't if I were you, that's a really big pair of pinking
> >shears she's got there.
>
> Oohh come on then.. chase me. I love a good crimp.
> Hey weren't those shears used on DD a few weeks ago??? :-)
>
Naw, Tea did that with her teeth <bg>
ADBB,
Caroline.
Michele
Caroline Smith wrote:
> > "Caroline Smith" wrote:
> > >Michele wrote
> > >> Fiona wrote:
> >
> > >It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
Yes, Honey!
> > <rolls eyes> I don't believe you said that.
Coming from her I can believe anything...<G>
> > >. Look at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle
> > > shift is it not?
Yeah, mourning in both cases, I don't call this a shift!
> I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on
> > >the movie cos I'd bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard
> evidence.
Hard evidence my foot!<murderous glint>Just try me...and don't start about the
socks...that's NOT evidence!>
> > Oh don't stop, Caroline, you're on a roll! Go on.. present Michele
> > with yer shipper mountain of hard stuff...
There is an answer to that line I am not even going to bother making...<HDS>
> <g> Hell we don't have to even get into the movie - Michele could argue
> that that was a special case in of itself.
I do!
> Just play a little rewind
> through
> the seasons, paying particular attention to the first 8 from season 2,
> points
> will be awarded for anyone coming out of One Breath with any other
> conclusion
> than that of Mulder adores Scully with all his little heart.
I think in this case it is very hard to fathom wether Mulder's attitude stems
from love or from guilt.There is love for sure, but of the brotherly protective
kind.
> Moving onto
> Colony
> and End Game where Mulder sacrifices his sister for Scully
I am sure he had a hunch she was not the real thing, he was very suspicious of
her the whole time.
> and then Scully
> does that cute bit with the defibs and the medical forehead caress and then
> sits in the same clothes till he wakes up before smiling one of *those*
> smiles.
The sweetest smile in the show's history, I agree.It's obvious she cares
deeply, but it doesn't prove much else.
> Not enough for you? Anasazi - bullet in the shoulder, proof undeniable of
> ardent
> smut-pending.
WHAT ?
> But let's move onto Season 3 - sod the rift
I see, it doesn't fit with your theory, so just forget about it right? And what
if I tell you that the rift was much more telling about the true nature of
their relationship than any other times in the series?and look at the
> later
> eps; Pusher
Well it was highly emotional, but after all Modell was playing with their
minds, and when you know how guarded those two are, it's normal that they
panicked and went all weepy and scared, can't see ship in this...
> and Wet Wired coming to the fore here,
Yeah, she was about to shoot him again, proof of love that is...<G>
> hand holding, "Scully,
> you
> are the *only* one I trust" works for me every time.
Like the boy has options...<scoffs>
> Season 4 now folks. Come on down to the cancer-arc. Seen Memento Mori
> of late Michele? Go back and watch the end five minutes if you can't handle
> the
> whole thing.
I can handle *anything* <pokerface>...and I think MM is not a proof because
cancer makes people act like this, you say things to people about how you feel,
that you would never say in normal circumstances, because you're afraid that
there is too little time left and you want to make sure your feelings are
understood (hence Scully's diary). So yes, it is emotionally charged, and yes
you do kiss people and hug them more often, it's a comfort thing.There *is*
love in MM but no romantic love.
> My case could rest on that alone <g>
I doubt it.<G>
> Bit of Scully-lust in
> Small
> Ps, she wasn't exactly moving away in horror during that couch moment now
> was she?
She was half drunk and stunned by Mulder's behaviour...if given a few more
seconds she would have pushed him away andkicked him in the goolies...
> Demons, medical Scully may have maintained a front while she was
> pulling Mulder nekkid out the bath but it's all there in those final few
> minutes
> of the episode.
He scared the hell out of her, she needed to comfort him and herself as well.
Shall I remind you that he was about to shoot her?
> Season 5 - do I need to do this to you? Go watch Redux II,
> probably the closest we've come - bar the movie - to a full on declaration
> of
> love, I shouldn't need to cite specifics
You mean the "let me give a meaning to what's happened to me" speech?Well,
Scully's always been such a noble soul anyway. She would have done this for
anybody she cared for.
> - there were kisses and lots of
> em.
See previous cancer-related explanation.
> Detour, she sings for goodness sakes. She can't sing, she's embarassed to
> sing but as Mulder curls up all snug and warm in her lap, she sings cos he
> asks her to. Awww.
Because she knew he wouldn't shut up unless she obeyed! Hey, I can't sing too,
but I still do!
> See his face as she lies in that pool of blood in
> Kitsunegari?
Stricken, what else? After 5 years of partnership I am not expecting anything
else.
> That's the face of a man who's lover-to-be is lying dead.
That's interpretation. I see the face of a man whose best friend is lying dead.
> Others from S5;
> Kill
> Switch - Mulder sets Scully apart from his porno nurses but it's obvious
> who
> he'd rather be bedding down with of a nighttime
Esther?Shall I remind you how threatening and ruthless his "dream Scully" was?
> and coming towards the end
> of
> the round-up we have Folie A - you're my one in five billion -
...who can believe me. He was talking about faith not about love.
> Deux. Hell,
> these
> two even share insane visions they're *that* close.
Unless it *really* was a giant bug. And it was what the ep suggested.
> And while Mulder may
> have
> been preoccupied in The End,
How nicely phrased...preoccupied...yeah right...
> Scully was just burning with jealousy
We see it as jealousy, and I agree with that in a way, but after seeing the
movie,I reached the conclusion that at first she felt her position as Mulder's
partner threatened by Diana. As we know now, the girl has loads of insecurities
concerning her position within the Spooky Patrol. THEN, she is unsettled by how
she feels about Diana's relation with Mulder, and maybe starts wondering about
Mulder's role in *her* personal life, for the first time.
If I were to spout literary poetics bullshit, I would say that Diana
represents the missing "I" of Dana, , a forgotten image of the self as a
potential lover, sexual being, soulmate. Diana throws back at Scully the cruel
reflection of all the things she is not to Mulder...a lover, a confidante,
someone sharing the same POV, someone on his side, not the little spy she still
feels she is, who pokes holes in all his theories and with whom everything
remains strictly professional.
> she's there at the last scene just
> wrapping
> her arms around him.
She's shaken and needs support, you can see how her knees almost give up.
> Fade out to: The Movie and we all know what happened there <snicker>
> Michele - anything to say in your defense before the sentencing?
Yes, and I think I proved succesfully that everything so-called shippy before
the movie were merely overenthusiastic speculations.
<loooks at watch> Eeeek! Must rush ! My new collegues are coming tonight to be
X-Filed to death.
One day my friends, we shall inherit the world...ahr ahr ahr!!! <manic Phile
laughter>
HANL
Michele...wondering why Cat hasn't posted for so long....Kitty, kitty, kitty???
<waving tin of Krychicken>
Adam
<Mighty large snip>
>
><loooks at watch> Eeeek! Must rush ! My new collegues are coming tonight to be
>X-Filed to death.
>One day my friends, we shall inherit the world...ahr ahr ahr!!! <manic Phile
>laughter>
Not until after I've gotten it off the Master Of Yuppie Morbidity!
--
TNWOGG
Adam
Take care that the face that looks out from the mirror
in the morning is a pleasant face. You may not see it
again during the day, but others will."
--Anonymous
Cat
><loooks at watch> Eeeek! Must rush ! My new collegues
>are coming tonight to be X-Filed to death.
So...are they phile-ish enough for you or is there still
converting to be done?
>One day my friends, we shall inherit the world
>...ahr ahr ahr!!! <manic Phile laughter>
Shh, shh, you'll scare them off!
>HANL
>Michele...wondering why Cat hasn't posted for so long
>....Kitty, kitty, kitty??? <waving tin of Krychicken>
Miaou! (translation: gimme!)
Too much email, too much snailmail. I'm off to see my
grandparents, my grandfather's not well. I'll be back next week,
play nicely with the other shippers meanwhile :-)
Stimpzilla
> "Caroline Smith" wrote:
> >Michele wrote
> >> Fiona wrote:
>
> >> > oohh that stung me!
> >>
> >> BZZZZZZZ!!! <muffled sniggers>
> >
> >It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
>
> <rolls eyes> I don't believe you said that.
What, with the traditional "worst single revoltingly bad pun" category
in Slider's annual UX awards to compete for? :)
> >> > >See! See! Rootbeer...
> >> >
> >> > She lied! It *was* iced tea really..
> >>
> >> Come on Fiona ! We all know what a terrible liar Scully is, and she
> >> was far too assertive to be lying. It WAS rootbeer, it WAS fate, and
> >> Noromos won this round!
> >
> >. Look at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle
> > shift is it not?
> >I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on the movie cos I'd
> >bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard evidence.
>
> Oh don't stop, Caroline, you're on a roll! Go on.. present Michele
> with yer shipper mountain of hard stuff...
Brace yourselves for the avalanche...
> >> > >entertained by fanfics bearing very subtle names such as
> >> > >"Going Down" Needless to say this theory is complete bullshit.
> >> >
> >> > How do you know?
> >>
> >> Because TV!Scully would never do such a thing,
>
> Why not? She's got hormones just like the rest of us.(Well, the
> rest of us *girls* anyway... although I'm not sure about Stimpy)
<cryogenically cold stare>
AND *WHAT* WOULD YOU BE IMPLYING BY THAT?
> >>what I am saying is that this kind of
> >> behaviour is highly unlikely from the cool collected and somewhat dull
> >>agent Scully.
>
> Just because she's cool on the outside doesn't make her a fridge
> between the sheets you know.
Entire categories of fanfic revolve around that notion :)
> >Alls I'm saying is I think there's more to the Ice Maiden than meets the
> >lilac pants suited eye... IMHO her and Mulder have been going at it in
> >their office for years now and they're just damn good at maintaining a
> >professional front ;-)
>
> <stands, applauds, gives Caroline a bag of smarties>
> Wahey! Go girl!
> That explains why their office is always in such a mess!
> Papers on the floor, stains etched on the wood surfaces,
> dirty underwear,..pencils on the ceiling...
Surely you mean embedded *in* the ceiling...
> >> > >> NoRomos A dying breed <g>...the opposite of shippers
> >> >
> >> > ... who are *not* dying, but gathering in numbers to watch the great
> >> > balding event at a hairdressers near you..
> >>
> >> I forgot to say that Shippers tend to be higly delusional...<casualy
> >> tucking LONG lock of hair behind ear>
> >
> >You just keep telling yourself that oh soon to be balding one.
>
> Oh I love it when we're winning.
> <carves another notch on the convert-a-noromo progress stick>
A very long stick by necessity... :)
> >> > <Takes Michele by the arm>
> >> > Now, come and sit down. We need to talk.
> >>
> >> < Michele growls but do as told>
> >> Make it snappy! I have 117 First Year students to bully around...
> >>
> >> > <Pats cheek> But we are here to help you Michele..
> >>
> >> <liquid hydrogen stare>
>
> Or do you mean 'liquid *nitrogen*'???
Try Helium. turns liquid at roughly 4 degrees above absolute zero...
> >> REMOVE THAT HAND BANNISTER, before I bite it off...
>
> Shit! <blinks in horror> Michele just turned into DEATH for a few
> seconds there!
> You can put down that scythe now hon,.. although you might want to
> keep hold of that hooded robe.. for when your head gets a little
> chilly...the egg timer is cute though.
It tells Death how long he has before his next tea break <G>
> >> > You have friends here who will help you through the inital stages of
> >> > denial and angst.. we will start you off slowly,
> >>
> >> I BEG YOUR PARDON ?
> >
> ><vbg> I'm sure it was meant to come out like that.
>
> Yep. I like to start off slow and build to a crescendo.
> Which is exactly how the great noromo hair event will unfold.
> We'll start of with just the *one* pair of scissors, and then....
We say "Sod It" and whip out the hedge trimmers...
> >> > We wish you well, sister. Shipperdom could be yours.
> >>
> >> <slams door> I don't want it!
>
> Oooh! Petulant little baldy isn't she?
She's in denial <G>
> Fiona
> xx
> DEMEROL - High kicks for short redheads.
Tara like,
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>
> > > >It's no accident you live in Beeston is it?
>
> Yes, Honey!
Ha ha ha. Very droll :-)
> > > >. Look at Redux II and compare it to Beyond The Sea, subtle
> > > > shift is it not?
>
> Yeah, mourning in both cases, I don't call this a shift!
No. Not what I meant. Look at the way they interract. The physicality
of their relationship in the two episodes. In BTS we get a touch on the
cheek which surprises Scully and a touch on her arm at the end, hardly
ground breaking stuff but then they're just at the start of their
partnership.
Redux II see how far they've come. You can pass it off as grief if you like
but I don't think you're doing the episode justice if you do. They are both
so much more at ease with each other in the tactile sense, I know it's
not a case of them leaping into bed with each other but that's not my
argument. My argument is that they love each other and in Redux II
whether it's grief induced or not, that fact is painfully apparent; this is
more than friendship.
> > I rest my case <g> And don't get me started on
> > > >the movie cos I'd bury you in a veritable shipper mountain of hard
> > evidence.
>
> Hard evidence my foot!<murderous glint>Just try me...and don't start
about the
> socks...that's NOT evidence!>
<vbg> Ahhh, the old sock-true-lurve theory, one of my finest moments <g>
> > <g> Hell we don't have to even get into the movie - Michele could argue
> > that that was a special case in of itself.
>
> I do!
Yeah but that's just a get out clause, I'd be more willing to say the movie
was a little peek at where we're ultimately heading because - though CC
may like to play this one out as long as he can - they're not going to get
away with dumping that as a film moment and not following through in the
series. Fans can get pretty vocal about this kind of thing...
> > points will be awarded for anyone coming out of One Breath with any
other
> > conclusion than that of Mulder adores Scully with all his little heart.
>
> I think in this case it is very hard to fathom wether Mulder's attitude
stems
> from love or from guilt.There is love for sure, but of the brotherly
protective
> kind.
Oh that old chestnut again? The Scully as displacing Samantha and carrying
the same kind of guilt attached? I tell you what, if I had a brother and he
looked
at me in the same way as Mulder looks at Scully that first time she's
conscious,
I'd be worried. Dead worried.
> > Moving onto Colony and End Game where Mulder sacrifices his sister for
Scully
>
> I am sure he had a hunch she was not the real thing, he was very
suspicious of
> her the whole time.
I don't think he did at all. He was suckered completely. The way he
approached
her on the verandah at the house, the way he watched her as she spoke and
the way he acted with her. There wasn't a trace of suspicion which is why
the
bridge scene worked so well because - to all intents and purposes - he'd
just
lost the sister he'd been looking for for so long. Watch the scene where he
tells his dad, there's no inkling there that he thinks he's "lost" anything
but the
real deal all over again. So in essence, he does swap his sister for
Scully.
> > and then Scully does that cute bit with the defibs and the medical
forehead
> >caress and then sits in the same clothes till he wakes up before smiling
> >one of *those* smiles.
>
> The sweetest smile in the show's history, I agree.It's obvious she cares
> deeply, but it doesn't prove much else.
I'm a little confused. You don't even think this thing between them goes
any
further than an intense "care" for each other? Or are you sort of more on
the
side of platonic love?
> > Not enough for you? Anasazi - bullet in the shoulder, proof undeniable
of
> > ardent smut-pending.
>
> WHAT ?
What? You mean you haven't read that well-known book: "You love someone,
shoot em in the shoulder"? Sheesh!
>
> > But let's move onto Season 3 - sod the rift
>
> I see, it doesn't fit with your theory, so just forget about it right?
And what
> if I tell you that the rift was much more telling about the true nature
of
> their relationship than any other times in the series?
And what if I told you that everyone else including the writers and the
characters
within the show seem to have forgotten those episodes ever took place?
I don't think those eps were the essence of their relationship which is why
people
took such a strong dislike to them and spent so many hours working through
what
was so wrong with them. I know at times they are at each others' throat but
IMHO
the Rift was just another one of CC's little "let's try this for a while,
see if it
sinks or flies" it stank, I mean, sank. There were some good episodes
in there but they lost out because they had no heart to them, no real hook.
Don't
get me wrong, Never Again is an ep I loved but that was because of what
(little)
it did for Scully, it came at an opportune time, should have come much
earlier
but ultimately changed bugger all for her. It was probably the last time we
seriously saw them at each others' throats though. I don't think CC wants
people
to think those S3 rift eps were what M&S were all about and he never has
returned
to them.
> > later eps; Pusher
>
> Well it was highly emotional, but after all Modell was playing with their
> minds, and when you know how guarded those two are, it's normal that they
> panicked and went all weepy and scared, can't see ship in this...
You see care, I see a lot more. We're not going to win here. But what
about that hand holding, the loving, lingering little shot right at the
end, y'know,
when they'd all calmed down and stuff?
> > and Wet Wired coming to the fore here,
>
> Yeah, she was about to shoot him again, proof of love that is...<G>
<g> And y'know what? He made absolutely no move to defend himself.
> > Season 4 now folks. Come on down to the cancer-arc. Seen Memento Mori
> > of late Michele? Go back and watch the end five minutes if you can't
handle
> > the whole thing.
>
> I can handle *anything* <pokerface>...and I think MM is not a proof
because
> cancer makes people act like this, you say things to people about how you
feel,
> that you would never say in normal circumstances, because you're afraid
that
> there is too little time left and you want to make sure your feelings are
> understood (hence Scully's diary). So yes, it is emotionally charged, and
yes
> you do kiss people and hug them more often, it's a comfort thing.There
*is*
> love in MM but no romantic love.
<errgghh> Wrong answer. Not buying that, not even for a second. I think
these two need something like a brush with death to make them get to that
point where they can let their respective guards down for a while. Sure
there's
comfort in it for both of them but it's so much more than just comfort.
These
two inspire the other to continue, at times it reads that they're only
going on
because the other will be there with them. I tell you what, if I ever found
a "friend"
that meant so much to me as these two obviously do to each other I'd be
looking
for more than friendship. I mean, can you honestly see them with anyone
else?
That's the true test for me because I can't.
> > My case could rest on that alone <g>
>
> I doubt it.<G>
<nods vigorously> Oh yes.
>
> > Bit of Scully-lust in Small Ps, she wasn't exactly moving away in
> > horror during that couch moment now was she?
>
> She was half drunk and stunned by Mulder's behaviour...if given a few
more
> seconds she would have pushed him away andkicked him in the goolies...
Hey, I'm a lightweight I'll readily admit it but having seen Scully swig a
few
in Never Again and remain coherent, half a bottle of red wine isn't going
to dull her reflexes that much. I will concede that she looked a mite
curious
about the whole "Mulder's moving in on me" actually, it was similar to that
sported in the movie corridor just before she went cross-eyed but she
wasn't even close to pushing away and ro-sham-boing the guy.
>
> > Demons, medical Scully may have maintained a front while she was
> > pulling Mulder nekkid out the bath but it's all there in those final
few
> > minutes of the episode.
>
> He scared the hell out of her, she needed to comfort him and herself as
well.
> Shall I remind you that he was about to shoot her?
I think she was more selfless, I think it was all about him that end hug,
just one
of those, "you feel this? I'm right behind you" moments. Could go either
way,
love/care, whatever.
>
> > Season 5 - do I need to do this to you? Go watch Redux II,
> > probably the closest we've come - bar the movie - to a full on
declaration
> > of love, I shouldn't need to cite specifics
>
> You mean the "let me give a meaning to what's happened to me"
speech?Well,
> Scully's always been such a noble soul anyway. She would have done this
for
> anybody she cared for.
I'm sure she cares for Skinner but there is no way on this earth she would
make
him the same kind of offer. Not even you believe she'd sacrifice herself,
her
reputation and that of her family for anyone but Mulder - do you?
> > - there were kisses and lots of em.
>
> See previous cancer-related explanation.
>
See previous "that's a cop-out" debunking.
> > Detour, she sings for goodness sakes. She can't sing, she's embarassed
to
> > sing but as Mulder curls up all snug and warm in her lap, she sings cos
he
> > asks her to. Awww.
>
> Because she knew he wouldn't shut up unless she obeyed! Hey, I can't sing
too,
> but I still do!
Uh uh, they're in the middle of nowhere, it's dark, cold and there's bad
things
out there somewhere. They don't have many bullets left. You telling me
she'd
rather not be speaking to Mulder? Hell, I'd have been poking his wounded
shoulder just to keep the bugger awake!
>
> > See his face as she lies in that pool of blood in Kitsunegari?
>
> Stricken, what else? After 5 years of partnership I am not expecting
anything
> else.
I guess it's up to us to define the nature of his strick then.
> > That's the face of a man who's lover-to-be is lying dead.
>
> That's interpretation. I see the face of a man whose best friend is lying
dead.
I see a rose garden and a beautiful fountain... Oh what? You mean we're
not playing blot tests?
>
> > Kill Switch - Mulder sets Scully apart from his porno nurses but it's
obvious
> > who he'd rather be bedding down with of a nighttime
>
> Esther?Shall I remind you how threatening and ruthless his "dream Scully"
was?
Yes but the implication I think we were to draw was that the AI could tap
Mulder's
subconscious and therefore knew exactly how to get through to Mulder and
when
his porno nurses failed it was ass!kicking Scully to the rescue seemingly
playing
out another one of Mulder's fantasies in that she kicks the crap out of big
busty
women while he lies helpless waiting for rescue. Hey, whatever turns him
on,
right?
>
> > and coming towards the end
> > of the round-up we have Folie A - you're my one in five billion -
>
> ...who can believe me. He was talking about faith not about love.
>
Hmm, I think a little reading between the lines is called for there.
> > been preoccupied in The End,
> > > Scully was just burning with jealousy
>
> We see it as jealousy, and I agree with that in a way, but after seeing
the
> movie,I reached the conclusion that at first she felt her position as
Mulder's
> partner threatened by Diana. As we know now, the girl has loads of
insecurities
> concerning her position within the Spooky Patrol. THEN, she is unsettled
by how
> she feels about Diana's relation with Mulder, and maybe starts wondering
about
> Mulder's role in *her* personal life, for the first time.
Hell, I'd rather not see it as jealousy. I'd like to think Scully is a
woman who's
beyond vying for Mulder's attention but I do think her feelings in The End
went beyond the professional, why else would she have been so perturbed by
seeing Fouley with her hand on Mulder's arm? If that was just about the job
she'd
have been in like a bullet with her findings to prove she's been out
*doing*
something while they've been playing getting to know you. That catch in her
voice, the total unease when she asks TLG about Diana is because they're
going to cotton on as to why she's asking these things, because suddenly
it's not just about TXFs.
>
> If I were to spout literary poetics bullshit, I would say that Diana
> represents the missing "I" of Dana, , a forgotten image of the self as a
> potential lover, sexual being, soulmate. Diana throws back at Scully the
cruel
> reflection of all the things she is not to Mulder...a lover, a
confidante,
> someone sharing the same POV, someone on his side, not the little spy she
still
> feels she is, who pokes holes in all his theories and with whom
everything
> remains strictly professional.
Hmmm. 'Kay. I do think Diana makes Scully realise one thing, that she's
in with Mulder for more than just the X-Files. If anything that's the
realisation
Diana brings forth, suddenly, the case is almost in the background for
Scully, she asks about Diana before she asks about the brain scans with
TLG. I don't think Scully still feels she's a spy, I don't think she ever
did,
that was Mulder's problem and I would never say she doesn't believe
she's his confidante, those two have been through too much for her not
to think that. As for strictly professional, I think we'll have to go our
separate
ways there as well.
>
> > she's there at the last scene just wrapping her arms around him.
>
> She's shaken and needs support, you can see how her knees almost give up.
Actually, I'd say she was the one giving the support...
>
> > Fade out to: The Movie and we all know what happened there <snicker>
> > Michele - anything to say in your defense before the sentencing?
>
> Yes, and I think I proved succesfully that everything so-called shippy
before
> the movie were merely overenthusiastic speculations.
To you maybe... No one else seems to be jumping into this thing though so
we'll just have to leave it at that.
> <loooks at watch> Eeeek! Must rush ! My new collegues are coming tonight
to be
> X-Filed to death.
> One day my friends, we shall inherit the world...ahr ahr ahr!!! <manic
Phile
> laughter>
>
Fantastic idea, now *that* I do agree with you on :-)
ADBB,
Caroline.
Michele
Caroline Smith wrote:
Michele wrote:
> >Yes, Honey!
>Ha ha ha. Very droll :-)
Sweet in'it?
> No. Not what I meant. Look at the way they interract. The physicality
>of their relationship in the two episodes. In BTS we get a touch on the
>cheek which surprises Scully and a touch on her arm at the end, hardly
>ground breaking stuff but then they're just at the start of their
>partnership.
OK, they are getting closer as friends, but those tender comfort gestures do
not preclude something romantic. It's sweet, tender, everything you want, but
not laced with the sexual tension of say... Red Museum, I hope we agree on
this.
> Redux II see how far they've come. You can pass it off as grief if you like
>but I don't think you're doing the episode justice if you do. They are both
>so much more at ease with each other in the tactile sense,
Tactile...yeah...<shakes head>...ah...sorry, was miles away all of a
sudden...<narrow eyes> that's your fault Smith, I
spent the weekend trying to answer those damn Awards of yours...I HAD TO reread
most of the DTAs ! (by the way which stories don't I have?)
Anyway... I agree with that tactile thingy.
> I know it's
>not a case of them leaping into bed with each other but that's not my
> argument.
No, leave that one to Jules...<snickers>
> My argument is that they love each other and in Redux II
> whether it's grief induced or not, that fact is painfully apparent; this is
>more than friendship.
Yup! Only, it is friendship on steroids, intense, exclusive, unusual, but
friendship nonetheless.If one can define friendship as deep, unconditionnal
love without sex, then this is exactly what this is.
And shall I remind you of Sheila Larken's most excellent explanation of their
relationship :"...they're friends beyond what lovers could ever be." ?
And I don't see any UST in Redux II.
> <vbg> Ahhh, the old sock-true-lurve theory, one of my finest moments <g>
...of insanity...<G>
> I'd be more willing to say the movie
> was a little peek at where we're ultimately heading because
I don't deny that.
> CC may like to play this one out as long as he can
and will!
> - they're not going to get
>away with dumping that as a film moment and not following through in the
> series.
Maybe but I bet we are not going to have a nice UST synchronicity a la Hallway
before a long time.
> Fans can get pretty vocal about this kind of thing...
Allthough I wouldn't be surprised by a CC End Of Show "fuck you all" attitude.
CC the rebel, not listening to the masses, and sinking his own ship by doing
exactly the contrary of what is expected from him.I know...I'm scaring
myself...:-(
> Oh that old chestnut again? The Scully as displacing Samantha and carrying
> the same kind of guilt attached?
Exactly! Chestnut maybe, but it is a very sound explanation of his behaviour.
> I tell you what, if I had a brother and he
> looked
> at me in the same way as Mulder looks at Scully that first time she's
> conscious, I'd be worried. Dead worried.
You're interpreting a *look*, for Christ Sake! How come didn't I see it then?
Me, the worst mushball in French history,who spent most of her teenagehood
weeping over Garbo's movies? How come I saw a relieved, awkward with guilt, but
nonetheless happy friend?
> I don't think he did at all. He was suckered completely. The way he
> approached her on the verandah at the house, the way he watched her as she
spoke >and the way he acted with her.
Well watch it again, he was definitly wary...
> There wasn't a trace of suspicion
UH! How long was it since you last watched the damn thing?
>which is why the bridge scene worked so well because - to all intents and
purposes >- >he'd just lost the sister he'd been looking for for so long.
He trusted the SWAT team would neutralize Lumpface in time, I guess he just
couldn't choose between a sister who's a stranger to him and his partner.
>Watch the scene where he tells his dad, there's no inkling there that he
thinks he's "lost" >anything but the real deal all over again. So in
essence, he does swap his sister for
> Scully.
Oh, ok, ok, you won that round. But it just means Scully is becoming more
important to him than his sister. As we say in French, he doesn't "want to
trade the prey for the shadow", meaning he'd rather keep a surrogate sister
than take a risk with a quasi mythical one.
> I'm a little confused. You don't even think this thing between them goes
> any further than an intense "care" for each other? Or are you sort of more
on
> the side of platonic love?
Yeah, I guess platonic love should be my answer. What is missing is the sexual
variant or , rather its interest in it.Well...there is UST between them, and as
I said months ago, it's not a taboo, it's something they do acknowledge but
have no desire to act upon. My point is, that during five years, you couldn't
say they were "in love" with each other because none
of them had any desire to take their R to a romantic level, or if they did, it
was never at the same time, and then again, the impulse was quickly tamed.
Besides I also think that on a day to day basis, they tend not to like each
other very much.
>What? You mean you haven't read that well-known book: "You love someone,
> shoot em in the shoulder"? Sheesh!
Remind me never to introduce you to male friends of mine...<G>
<snip the Rift.>
Before answering to that I need a list of the Rift eps...to see if they really
sank as you say.
[Pusher]
> You see care, I see a lot more. We're not going to win here. But what
> about that hand holding, the loving, lingering little shot right at the
> end, y'know, when they'd all calmed down and stuff?
An overzealous director ? Yeah yeah...ok, I admit it was shippy, I guess they
got the UST dosages wrong.
> <g> And y'know what? He made absolutely no move to defend himself.
What could he do? Shoot her ?
[ MM / cancer makes you hug people theory]
> <errgghh> Wrong answer. Not buying that, not even for a second. I think
> these two need something like a brush with death to make them get to that
> point where they can let their respective guards down for a while.
Uhmmm...thats a good point...too bad I think my previous explanation is more
logical. <HG>
> These two inspire the other to continue, at times it reads that they're only
> going on because the other will be there with them. I tell you what, if I
ever found
> a "friend" that meant so much to me as these two obviously do to each other
I'd be
> lookingfor more than friendship. I mean, can you honestly see them with
anyone
> else?
< playing violin with unshed tears in eyes> ah...I love it when you go all
lyrical...<sighs>
Anyway... to answer your question, yes, I do think they are really dense, and
that they should have shagged like bunnies ages ago.
But I am also sorry to say, that I could very well see Sunshine with Buddy,
and Cat could tell you the same about Mulder and Ratboy.;-)
> Hey, I'm a lightweight I'll readily admit it
Yep, a wouss even...<G>
>but having seen Scully swig a
> few in Never Again and remain coherent, half a bottle of red wine isn't
going
> to dull her reflexes that much.
Wine sometimes has more impact than coktails, well at least it does for me, so
you can't really judge of her state by this kind of comparison.
> it was similar to that
> sported in the movie corridor just before she went cross-eyed
See Cat? I told you she did cross eyes in the HS, even Caroline says so!
> but she
> wasn't even close to pushing away and ro-sham-boing the guy.
There is no way to know this for sure.
[demons]
>I think she was more selfless, I think it was all about him that end hug,
> just one of those, "you feel this? I'm right behind you"
<muffled laughter and instant blush> Uhm...sorry...ahem...fanfic
intertextuality is at work again...<regaining composure> sooo...where were we?
>moments. Could go either way, love/care, whatever.
< resuming violin> sniff...beautiful...
>I'm sure she cares for Skinner but there is no way on this earth she would
>make him the same kind of offer. Not even you believe she'd sacrifice herself,
>her reputation and that of her family for anyone but Mulder - do you?
Uhm...no. But talking about Skinner, he was willing to lose all those things
for her, so what does this says about *him*?
> > That's the face of a man who's lover-to-be is lying dead.
> > That's interpretation. I see the face of a man whose best friend is lying
> >dead.
> I see a rose garden and a beautiful fountain... Oh what? You mean we're
>not playing blot tests?
I see....sorry can't tell *this* within a respectable NG. Christ! I'd better
finish those Awards quickly.
<sorry huge snip here but I 've got to go, will finish this later>
> To you maybe... No one else seems to be jumping into this thing though so
> we'll just have to leave it at that.
<Waves> Hello ? Anybody out there? <bellows> WOUSSSIES !!!
> > One day my friends, we shall inherit the world...ahr ahr ahr!!! <manic
> > Phile laughter>
>Fantastic idea, now *that* I do agree with you on :-)
I thought you would...;-)
--
HANL
Michele.
PS: I am in Gossamer !!!
PPS: What happened to Lian???
***" ...just because we're both lying half naked in a freezing
morgue, pretending to be characters in an alternate universe, doesn't mean I
can't find a way of enjoying myself...."***
Dana Scully. "Best Performance
By..."
Cat
>Caroline Smith wrote:
> Michele wrote:
> > >Yes, Honey!
> >Ha ha ha. Very droll :-)
>
>Sweet in'it?
<Approaches with insecticide to put pun out of its misery>
>OK, they are getting closer as friends, but those tender
>comfort gestures do not preclude something romantic. It's sweet,
>tender, everything you want, but not laced with the sexual
>tension of say... Red Museum, I hope we agree on this.
Ha! not bloody likely. Oh, wait, agree about Red Museum, okay,
yeah. But Redux II is supercharged with RST, Death'sDoor!Scully
or not. The fact that the gestures may be comforting and may be
only provoked by moments of emotional stress doesn't mean the
feeling they reveal exist only at those moments.
>> I know it's not a case of them leaping into bed
>> with each other but that's not my argument.
>
>No, leave that one to Jules...<snickers>
Jules, put that M/K down and listen...
>Yup! Only, it is friendship on steroids, intense, exclusive,
>unusual, but friendship nonetheless.If one can define friendship
>as deep, unconditionnal love without sex, then this is exactly
>what this is.
So...they just need to jump into the sack to convince you that
they are in love?? Sex is hardly the defining difference between
love and friendship.
>And shall I remind you of Sheila Larken's most excellent
>explanation of their relationship :"...they're friends beyond
>what lovers could ever be." ?
Don't see why they can't be friends *and* lovers myself.
>> <vbg> Ahhh, the old sock-true-lurve theory, one of my finest
>> moments <g>
>
>...of insanity...<G>
But it's so sweeeet :-)
>I bet we are not going to have a nice UST synchronicity a la
>Hallway before a long time.
How many episodes? Anyone taking odds? I say.....four eps. No,
three. No, four. Four. Anyone else betting?
>> Fans can get pretty vocal about this kind of thing...
>
>Allthough I wouldn't be surprised by a CC End Of Show "fuck you
>all" attitude. CC the rebel, not listening to the masses, and
>sinking his own ship by doing exactly the contrary of what is
>expected from him.I know...I'm scaring myself...:-(
He wouldn't want to piss off the fans and the network that much
would he? He still needs them for the rest of his career, and
he's a shrewd man.
>> I tell you what, if I had a brother and he looked
>> at me in the same way as Mulder looks at Scully that first
>> time she's conscious, I'd be worried. Dead worried.
>
>You're interpreting a *look*, for Christ Sake! How come didn't I
>see it then? Me, the worst mushball in French history,who spent
>most of her teenagehood weeping over Garbo's movies? How come I
>saw a relieved, awkward with guilt, but nonetheless happy
>friend?
Discipline? <eg>
I'm with Caroline on this. My brothers sure as hell don't look at
me that way...
>> I don't think he did at all. He was suckered completely. The
>> way he approached her on the verandah at the house, the way he
>> watched her as she spoke and the way he acted with her.
>
>Well watch it again, he was definitly wary...
I think the possibility that she was a fake was always there in
his mind, but as he said he didn't see who else she could be, and
after talking to her about Stratego and life, even if he couldn't
be *sure* he was working on the assumption that it probably was
her. He was convincingly gutted when she died.
>He trusted the SWAT team would neutralize Lumpface in time, I
>guess he just couldn't choose between a sister who's a stranger
>to him and his partner.
Maybe a stranger, but one he's spent his life obsessing about,
the most valuable thing in the world for him, except that he
trades her in for his partner without hesistation. He knew the
risk he was putting Samantha in, and he didn't put Scully in the
same risk by telling the marksman to shoot as soon as Lumpface
got out of the car.
> > I'm a little confused. You don't even think this thing
> > between them goes any further than an intense "care" for each
> > other? Or are you sort of more on the side of platonic love?
>
>Yeah, I guess platonic love should be my answer. What is missing
>is the sexual variant or , rather its interest in
>it.Well...there is UST between them, and as I said months ago,
>it's not a taboo, it's something they do acknowledge but have no
>desire to act upon. My point is, that during five years, you
>couldn't say they were "in love" with each other because none of
>them had any desire to take their R to a romantic level, or if
>they did, it was never at the same time, and then again, the
>impulse was quickly tamed.
:-) So then, we're just waiting for them both to feel really
untamed at the same time <g>. I don't think you can really mean
it, but it sounds like you think sex is the only way to tell
between friendship and love, which is clearly bollocks.
According to the above, the first day that they both decide *at
once* that they want to fuck, *then* they are officially
Sanctioned-by-Michele In Love. Nah, you can't mean that.
>Besides I also think that on a day to day basis, they tend not
>to like each other very much.
Hey, they're moody people. That's no reason to think that they're
not in love. In fact, if they get on each other's nerves that
much, why else would they stick together?
> >What? You mean you haven't read that well-known book: "You
> >love someone, shoot em in the shoulder"? Sheesh!
>
>Remind me never to introduce you to male friends of mine...<G>
Anyone know if Caroline carries a gun? Fiona? Julie? Did you
check her bag?
>Before answering to that I need a list of the Rift eps...to see
>if they really sank as you say.
>
>[Pusher]
>> You see care, I see a lot more. We're not going to win here.
>> But what about that hand holding, the loving, lingering little
>> shot right at the end, y'know, when they'd all calmed down and
>> stuff?
>
>An overzealous director ? Yeah yeah...ok, I admit it was shippy,
>I guess they got the UST dosages wrong.
What's your definition of wrong? I agree it was a sudden blip on
the relatively steady increase in obvious shippyness over the
years.
>> <g> And y'know what? He made absolutely no move to defend
>> himself.
>
>What could he do? Shoot her ?
Er - yeah? In the shoulder, say. Well he does love her, y'know.
>[ MM / cancer makes you hug people theory]
> > <errgghh> Wrong answer. Not buying that, not even for a
> >second. I think these two need something like a brush with
> >death to make them get to that point where they can let their
> >respective guards down for a while.
>
>Uhmmm...thats a good point...too bad I think my previous
>explanation is more logical. <HG>
As an objective observer I'd say 15-love, Smith. Cancer makes
you dare to hug people you'd like to hug anyway and only need a
good excuse like a deathbed or a cold forest or something.
>> These two inspire the other to continue, at times it reads
>> that they're only going on because the other will be there
>> with them. I tell you what, if I ever found a "friend" that
>> meant so much to me as these two obviously do to each
>> other I'd be lookingfor more than friendship. I mean,
>> can you honestly see them with anyone else?
>
>< playing violin with unshed tears in eyes> ah...I love it when
>you go all lyrical...<sighs>
Oh, don't be such a cynic, Michele (yeah yeah, pots and
kettles :-))
>Anyway... to answer your question, yes, I do think they are
>really dense, and that they should have shagged like bunnies
>ages ago. But I am also sorry to say, that I could very well see
>Sunshine with Buddy,
Nooooooooo!!! He's Mulder's <bg>
>and Cat could tell you the same about Mulder and Ratboy.;-)
They probably did in Tunguska or Hong Kong. Well, possibly. Well,
they *might* have <gets defensive>
<Never Again>
>Wine sometimes has more impact than coktails, well at least it
>does for me.
Ah *ha*. All we need for the Hat deal is a bottle of wine then
:-)
> > it was similar to that
> > sported in the movie corridor just before she went cross-eyed
>
>See Cat? I told you she did cross eyes in the HS, even Caroline
>says so!
Tsk. Okay, she does a bit <sigh>. Damn, I forgot HS in the
acronyms list.
> > but she
> > wasn't even close to pushing away and ro-sham-boing the guy.
>
>There is no way to know this for sure.
No but we keep taking polls and it's your opinion versus the
world, missus.
>[demons]
> >I think she was more selfless, I think it was all about him
> >that end hug, just one of those, "you feel this? I'm right
> >behind you"
>
><muffled laughter and instant blush> Uhm...sorry...ahem...fanfic
>intertextuality is at work again...<regaining composure>
>sooo...where were we?
<LOL> Ohhh, is that what intertextuality means then? Glad I
wasn't the only one giggling...
>>Could go either way.
>
>< resuming violin> sniff...beautiful...
<looks bewildered> Are we talking slash again or have I just lost
the plot?
>>I'm sure she cares for Skinner but there is no way on this
>>earth she would make him the same kind of offer.
>Uhm...no. But talking about Skinner, he was willing to lose all
>those things for her, so what does this says about *him*?
He needs to get out more. He doesn't have a hope with FM around.
>> No one else seems to be jumping into this thing though so
>> we'll just have to leave it at that.
>
><Waves> Hello ? Anybody out there? <bellows> WOUSSSIES !!!
Hiya, I'm back and feeling talkative for once so someone better
answer this <belligerant glare>
>PS: I am in Gossamer !!!
Fame! You're gonna live for eeeever...
>PPS: What happened to Lian???
Ooh, what, did I miss something? What *did* happen to Lian? Bag
of M&Ms for the most imaginative answer on my desk by the end of
the week.
Caroline Smith
> > >Yes, Honey!
> >Ha ha ha. Very droll :-)
>
> Sweet in'it?
And spreadable <g>
> > No. Not what I meant. Look at the way they interract. The physicality
> >of their relationship in the two episodes.
>
> OK, they are getting closer as friends, but those tender comfort
gestures do
> not preclude something romantic. It's sweet, tender, everything you
want, but
> not laced with the sexual tension of say... Red Museum, I hope we agree
on
> this.
I think there is a difference between something like the BBQ thing in that
that
was played as a flirtatious thing, Lian said when it was rerun recently
that we've
never seen Scully quite so coquettish as she was in her reaction to that
and she
was right. Having said that though, that was played for fun really, it
didn't mean
anything and the scene went straight on. What we have in the likes of Redux
II
is something that will carry on, will stay with these two afterwards, what
do
all those gentle kisses mean? Why did Mulder go into her room in the middle
of the night and break down? And why when asked what he wants most in the
world is his immediate answer "the cure for Scully's cancer" oh, so not
Sam then? Things have changed through the course of the series, I think
they're
going to keep on changing, I think the movie is just a starter for ten.
> > Redux II see how far they've come. You can pass it off as grief if you
like
> >but I don't think you're doing the episode justice if you do. They are
both
> >so much more at ease with each other in the tactile sense,
>
> Tactile...yeah...<shakes head>...ah...sorry, was miles away all of a
> sudden...<narrow eyes> that's your fault Smith, I
> spent the weekend trying to answer those damn Awards of yours...
>I HAD TO reread most of the DTAs ! (by the way which stories don't I
have?)
I know, Julie and Fiona are still wading through In the Ruins and the like
just trying to find those moments y'know. Dirty job... <g>
I worry though that you're all gonna go blind <snicker>
> > My argument is that they love each other and in Redux II
> > whether it's grief induced or not, that fact is painfully apparent;
this is
> >more than friendship.
>
> Yup! Only, it is friendship on steroids, intense, exclusive, unusual, but
> friendship nonetheless.If one can define friendship as deep,
unconditionnal
> love without sex, then this is exactly what this is.
No argument from me, but I think they're ready to move along a little. I
think the admittance in the movie was that they're both right to take this
that one step further and I think that's where S6+ will be heading because
it just seems a natural progression.
> And shall I remind you of Sheila Larken's most excellent explanation of
their
> relationship :"...they're friends beyond what lovers could ever be." ?
> And I don't see any UST in Redux II.
I think UST is too, I dunno, *cold* maybe for Redux II. M&S do share
as much if not more than lovers, no disputing that fact but the constraints
of the show perhaps is what makes it this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not
someone who does think a sexual rel should work its way into the show, but
I do believe that in anywhere but the show, M&S would be consummated
professionals long since. One of the great attractions for the characters
in
TXF is that their rel is a-typical, that it's so much more than just a
quick
shag scene and some tangled sheets thank you very much. If they ever
did get it on I'm not sure whether it would be a relief or a disappointment
because there's probably no way within the realm of the show they could
avoid disappointing people. I'll stick with M&S in fic for this I think.
I'm a very
confused and confusing Shipper at the best of times. I think the bottom
line
is, I believe firmly that they do love each other in a non-platonic sense
but
I don't think till the very end that they should do anything about it
largely
because I don't know whether I'd trust the writers to do it all justice,
and then along comes CC with his movie writing and blows all my
worries out the water...<sigh>
>
> > <vbg> Ahhh, the old sock-true-lurve theory, one of my finest moments
<g>
>
> ...of insanity...<G>
Oh hell yeah!
> > - they're not going to get
> >away with dumping that as a film moment and not following through in the
> > series.
>
> Maybe but I bet we are not going to have a nice UST synchronicity a la
Hallway
> before a long time.
they don't seem to have any problem admitting though that these things
will be addressed and I do think they'd be in a lot of trouble if it was a
throwaway reference in a campfire scene a la Scully's amazing remission
in Detour.
> > Fans can get pretty vocal about this kind of thing...
>
> Allthough I wouldn't be surprised by a CC End Of Show "fuck you all"
attitude.
> CC the rebel, not listening to the masses, and sinking his own ship by
doing
> exactly the contrary of what is expected from him.I know...I'm scaring
> myself...:-(
I don't think he's that brave. He is slowly working it right along the
shipper's
plotline and pretty much always has been. Even after or during crappy eps
there's always been something in there throwing the dogs a bone.
> > Oh that old chestnut again? The Scully as displacing Samantha and
carrying
> > the same kind of guilt attached?
>
> Exactly! Chestnut maybe, but it is a very sound explanation of his
behaviour.
>
Not any more it's not, maybe right at the start, possibly even in One
Breath
to some extent with the same nightmare replaying, but that's too cliche
to say now.
> > I tell you what, if I had a brother and he
> > looked at me in the same way as Mulder looks at Scully that first time
she's
> > conscious, I'd be worried. Dead worried.
>
> You're interpreting a *look*, for Christ Sake! How come didn't I see it
then?
Um, cos you interpreted the look in a different way <g>
> Me, the worst mushball in French history,who spent most of her
teenagehood
> weeping over Garbo's movies? How come I saw a relieved, awkward with
guilt, but
> nonetheless happy friend?
>
We all see what we want to see. I just saw someone so bloody overwhelmed
with all being right in the world again that he couldn't even stay in the
room with
her for fear of not knowing exactly what to say or do. Then along he came
three,
four years later and told her everything in a corridor right before a bee
got in on
the act. "You make me a whole person" I think that was what he was thinking
in One Breath and he was too damn shy still to say it to her then. And her
mum was there of course <g>
> > I don't think he did at all. He was suckered completely. The way he
> > approached her on the verandah at the house, the way he watched her
as she
> spoke >and the way he acted with her.
>
> Well watch it again, he was definitly wary...
I'd go for nervous not wary. That look on his face when she finally goes
into
his arms, that's him with part of his quest healed right there.
> > There wasn't a trace of suspicion
>
> UH! How long was it since you last watched the damn thing?
Good few months. I have a memory for this kind of thing though.
> >which is why the bridge scene worked so well because - to all intents
and
> purposes >- >he'd just lost the sister he'd been looking for for so
long.
>
> He trusted the SWAT team would neutralize Lumpface in time, I guess he
just
> couldn't choose between a sister who's a stranger to him and his partner.
Can we think Mulder would be so stupid as to believe his lone swat guy
would do the business? He sent her into danger, mainly because she
was so willing but also because there was that little matter of Scully
being
an innocent in all this.
> >Watch the scene where he tells his dad, there's no inkling there that
he
> thinks he's "lost" >anything but the real deal all over again. So in
> essence, he does swap his sister for Scully.
>
> Oh, ok, ok, you won that round. But it just means Scully is becoming more
> important to him than his sister. As we say in French, he doesn't "want
to
> trade the prey for the shadow", meaning he'd rather keep a surrogate
sister
> than take a risk with a quasi mythical one.
Woo Hoo! I won! I won! <snicker> Surrogate sister, you thought I'd miss
your sneaking that in there didn't you? <g>
> >Or are you sort of more on the side of platonic love?
>
> Yeah, I guess platonic love should be my answer. What is missing is the
sexual
> variant or , rather its interest in it.Well...there is UST between them,
and as
> I said months ago, it's not a taboo, it's something they do acknowledge
but
> have no desire to act upon. My point is, that during five years, you
couldn't
> say they were "in love" with each other because none
> of them had any desire to take their R to a romantic level, or if they
did, it
> was never at the same time, and then again, the impulse was quickly
tamed.
> Besides I also think that on a day to day basis, they tend not to like
each
> other very much.
>
I think their priorites are screwed personally. Their jobs are their lives
and
neither of them are stupid enough to jeopardise that for the sake of them
consummating a relationship where they have everything but the sex. Seems
a little sad and lonely but there's an explanation for them staying apart
in no other way but the physical. So I'd say the need and the desire is
there,
it's been there in some circumstances but it's always thwarted because
of yet another plot twist - and let's be honest, that bee was a lame one at
best - so it just makes it all the more inevitable as opposed to them
actually
not wanting it. Which takes their rel outside the show and into the whole
writer/CC/fans/ratings dynamic as well.
> >What? You mean you haven't read that well-known book: "You love
someone,
> > shoot em in the shoulder"? Sheesh!
>
> Remind me never to introduce you to male friends of mine...<G>
Y'know, there's some people would say just the opposite there <g>
> <snip the Rift.>
>
> Before answering to that I need a list of the Rift eps...to see if they
really
> sank as you say.
The likes of Oubliette, Revelations, Nisei, 731, Syzygy, Grotesque (sort
of).
Good episodes in their own rights but a lot of the writing for M&S was
off the mark, usually favouring one at the expense of the other, taking the
other
wildly out of character for eps such as Oubliette - Scully at her most
unsympathetic with no reason whatsoever, Revelations - Mulder the same
with only his faith as a reason and that was a pretty weak one and then
Ditch!City in Nisei, 731, Scully drags the boy's ass out of trouble yet
again
when he gets it into his head that it'd be fun to play James Bond. Then
there are the eps where nothing really was too offensive about the M&S
writing but there was nowt special either; The Walk, The List, 2Shy,
all of which conspired to make S3 not exactly rerun central for me.
> [Pusher]
> > You see care, I see a lot more. We're not going to win here. But what
> > about that hand holding, the loving, lingering little shot right at
the
> > end, y'know, when they'd all calmed down and stuff?
>
> An overzealous director ? Yeah yeah...ok, I admit it was shippy, I guess
they
> got the UST dosages wrong.
Or maybe they got them spot on...
> > <g> And y'know what? He made absolutely no move to defend himself.
>
> What could he do? Shoot her ?
Turn about is fair play...
> [ MM / cancer makes you hug people theory]
> > <errgghh> Wrong answer. Not buying that, not even for a second. I
think
> > these two need something like a brush with death to make them get to
that
> > point where they can let their respective guards down for a while.
>
> Uhmmm...thats a good point...too bad I think my previous explanation is
more
> logical. <HG>
I'd argue if I could remember your last explanation <snicker> It didn't
make
it through to this reply.
> > These two inspire the other to continue, at times it reads that
they're only
> going on because the other will be there with them.
>
> < playing violin with unshed tears in eyes> ah...I love it when you go
all
> lyrical...<sighs>
<vbg> Hell, every once in a while it makes a nice change to wax lyrical and
these two do bring out the perpetual B.S-er in me <g>
> Anyway... to answer your question, yes, I do think they are really dense,
and
> that they should have shagged like bunnies ages ago.
woah, dude! Do you realise you just said that on a public forum?
> But I am also sorry to say, that I could very well see Sunshine with
Buddy,
> and Cat could tell you the same about Mulder and Ratboy.;-)
no problems at all with Sunshine and Buddy - they have some fabulous
fic smut together <g>
Mulder and Ratboy I just don't see...Mulder and Buddy, now that's another
matter altogether <snicker>
> > Hey, I'm a lightweight I'll readily admit it
>
> Yep, a wouss even...<G>
<nods> Yup.
> > it was similar to that
> > sported in the movie corridor just before she went cross-eyed
>
> See Cat? I told you she did cross eyes in the HS, even Caroline says so!
<LOL> And it was Lian who told me, I missed it all the way through numerous
movie trips and then just saw it once out of the blue, fair near spat my
popcorn
all over the show.
> > but she wasn't even close to pushing away and ro-sham-boing the guy.
>
> There is no way to know this for sure.
>
Unless you watch them both really carefully and see absolutely no sign
that either one of them was looking for an escape clause...
> [demons]
> >I think she was more selfless, I think it was all about him that end
hug,
> > just one of those, "you feel this? I'm right behind you"
>
> <muffled laughter and instant blush> Uhm...sorry...ahem...fanfic
> intertextuality is at work again...<regaining composure> sooo...where
were we?
<snicker> No, no, you carry right on along those lines <sits back with
feet up> Off you go.
> >her reputation and that of her family for anyone but Mulder - do you?
>
> Uhm...no. But talking about Skinner, he was willing to lose all those
things
> for her, so what does this says about *him*?
Unrequited and a half.
> > I see a rose garden and a beautiful fountain... Oh what? You mean
we're
> >not playing blot tests?
>
> I see....sorry can't tell *this* within a respectable NG. Christ! I'd
better
> finish those Awards quickly.
<vbg> Looking forward to it. But you're mistaken, there's no way in hell
this is a respectable newsgroup.
> > To you maybe... No one else seems to be jumping into this thing though
so
> > we'll just have to leave it at that.
>
> <Waves> Hello ? Anybody out there? <bellows> WOUSSSIES !!!
<sounds of tumble weeds blowing across desert terrain>
> > > One day my friends, we shall inherit the world...ahr ahr ahr!!!
<manic
> > > Phile laughter>
>
> >Fantastic idea, now *that* I do agree with you on :-)
>
> I thought you would...;-)
any time.
> PS: I am in Gossamer !!!
> PPS: What happened to Lian???
Telephone lines did a Monica.
Only without the cigar.
ADBB,
Caroline.
Lian
>> > >Yes, Honey!
>> >Ha ha ha. Very droll :-)
>> Sweet in'it?
>And spreadable <g>
Very, but has an unfortunate tendency to attract bees though...a favourite
with no-romo's due to this.
>> > No. Not what I meant. Look at the way they interract. The physicality
>> >of their relationship in the two episodes.
>> OK, they are getting closer as friends, but those tender comfort
>gestures do not preclude something romantic. It's sweet, tender,
everything you
>want, but not laced with the sexual tension of say... Red Museum, I hope we
agree on this.
>I think there is a difference between something like the BBQ thing in that
>that was played as a flirtatious thing, Lian said when it was rerun
recently
>that we've never seen Scully quite so coquettish as she was in her reaction
to >that and she was right.
Hot Damn!! 'Bout time I got one right! <g>
>Having said that though, that was played for fun really, it didn't mean
>anything and the scene went straight on.
Have to agree...the BBQ scene is pretty much unlike anything either before
or since. It's the most overtly flirtatious that Scully has ever been,
looking out under slightly hooded eyes, with mischievous grin firmly in
place. But the light hearted tone was amplified by that whole Richard Nixon
Walk In thing line....so it was all in fun.
>What we have in the likes of Redux II is something that will carry on, will
stay >with these two afterwards, what do all those gentle kisses mean? Why
did >Mulder go into her room in the middle
>of the night and break down? And why when asked what he wants most in the
>world is his immediate answer "the cure for Scully's cancer" oh, so not
>Sam then? Things have changed through the course of the series, I think
>they're going to keep on changing, I think the movie is just a starter for
ten.
'Fraid so. <she said not one whit afraid> All the indications from the new
series seem to point in that direction. We're not talking massive sudden
leaps here...hell it took us 5 years and a movie to get to *this*
point....but it is slowly metamorphosising, borne out of the changes the
characters have gone through. Probably the biggest being, Caroline's
aforementioned Scully over Sam...or more precisely Scully over The Quest.
>> > Redux II see how far they've come. You can pass it off as grief if you
>like but I don't think you're doing the episode justice if you do. They are
>both so much more at ease with each other in the tactile sense,
>> Tactile...yeah...<shakes head>...ah...sorry, was miles away all of a
>> sudden...<narrow eyes> that's your fault Smith, I
>> spent the weekend trying to answer those damn Awards of yours...
>>I HAD TO reread most of the DTAs ! (by the way which stories don't I
>have?)
>
>I know, Julie and Fiona are still wading through In the Ruins and the like
>just trying to find those moments y'know. Dirty job... <g>
Yeah yeah..we know..."...but someones gotta watch M&S do it."
>I worry though that you're all gonna go blind <snicker>
Don't. We're all using you as our early warning system...you turn up at
UXmas with a cane and a seeing eye dog..you're gonna lose a lot of
subscriptions. :)
>> > My argument is that they love each other and in Redux II
>> > whether it's grief induced or not, that fact is painfully apparent;
>this is more than friendship.
>> Yup! Only, it is friendship on steroids, intense, exclusive, unusual, but
>> friendship nonetheless.If one can define friendship as deep,
>unconditionnal love without sex, then this is exactly what this is.
>No argument from me, but I think they're ready to move along a little. I
>think the admittance in the movie was that they're both right to take this
>that one step further and I think that's where S6+ will be heading because
>it just seems a natural progression.
I don't think you'll find one person on the planet that won't confirm the
idea that best, the most enduring and longest lasting love you can have is
one based on a strong friendship. It adds an extra dimension and intimacy
to everything. And there is no doubt that these two are friends, in the
best sense. And it's a friendship that has evolved..looking back through
the show you can see it evolve....but there's also no doubt (to me anyway)
that they also have that added spark that intimates a level beyond
friendship that that evolutionary road is continuing on towards.
>> And shall I remind you of Sheila Larken's most excellent explanation of
>their relationship :"...they're friends beyond what lovers could ever be."
?
>> And I don't see any UST in Redux II.
>I think UST is too, I dunno, *cold* maybe for Redux II. M&S do share
>as much if not more than lovers, no disputing that fact but the constraints
>of the show perhaps is what makes it this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not
>someone who does think a sexual rel should work its way into the show, but
>I do believe that in anywhere but the show, M&S would be consummated
>professionals long since.
I think it's reasonably safe to say that anywhere but on *this* show that
would be the case. This is one instance of the writers actually getting the
concept that anticipation of the event *is* better than realisation...(at
least when you're not directly involved). The only other show on TV to get
this...is Frasier, with it's Niles and Daphne plot line. But oddly because
of the constraints they have elevated it above mere UST I think, it's a much
more complex and layered relationship they've built, and it's made the fans,
even the rabid shippers, sit back and take a long hard look at what the
ramifications would be for consummation. I mean how many other times have
you heard people say "Yes, we want them to be together...but let's wait."
Restraint is generally not something TV fans, especially the romantic sort,
have too much of. This has moved well beyond UST into real romance...of
the purest deepest most decidely NON Mills & Boon sort. Love, longing and
respect all of which were typified in Redux II....and most especially in
those hospital scenes.
I shall now go and check myself into MushMeister's Anonymous ....
>One of the great attractions for the characters
>in TXF is that their rel is a-typical, that it's so much more than just a
>quick shag scene and some tangled sheets thank you very much. If they ever
>did get it on I'm not sure whether it would be a relief or a disappointment
>because there's probably no way within the realm of the show they could
>avoid disappointing people. I'll stick with M&S in fic for this I think.
>I'm a very confused and confusing Shipper at the best of times.
<g> I don't think you're that confusing...on this matter anyway. ;) I think
a lot of people share that view...like I said, it's moved beyond just UST
there's more than just hormones at stake here...there's a relationship we've
all become invested in, hell for a lot of us it's the reason we tune in
every week. Because of that we want it done right, if it's to be done at
all. For some of us, I think that means "The closed door scenario" by that I
mean leaving something to the imagination. I don't even mean the sex
thing...though we don't need to see that either. I mean more the, humdrum
aspects of romance. What I'm trying to say I guess, is that we should
finish at the climax, err...so to speak. Any declaration of love and/or
consummation of said love, should be just about the final act of this
relationship. Door closes over. Fade out. Then, if we want we can take it
further any way we want in our heads and in our fic. It's crystallising
it...keeping it perfect. Am I making even one iota of sense here?
>I think the bottom line is, I believe firmly that they do love each other
in a non->platonic sense but I don't think till the very end that they
should do anything about it largely because I don't know whether I'd trust
the writers to do it all justice, and then along comes CC with his movie
writing and blows all my
>worries out the water...<sigh>
Heh...I don't think even CC could do justice to what most people want out of
a romance like that...I don't think anyone could.
>> > <vbg> Ahhh, the old sock-true-lurve theory, one of my finest moments
><g>
>> ...of insanity...<G>
>Oh hell yeah!
Insanity...Ingenuity...potayto..potato....
[The Hallway]
>> > - they're not going to get
>> >away with dumping that as a film moment and not following through in the
>> > series.
>> Maybe but I bet we are not going to have a nice UST synchronicity a la
>Hallway before a long time.
>they don't seem to have any problem admitting though that these things
>will be addressed and I do think they'd be in a lot of trouble if it was a
>throwaway reference in a campfire scene a la Scully's amazing remission
>in Detour.
I do doubt that it will be directly addressed for a long
time...i.e..mentioned per se, but I think the ramifications of it, will
probably be evident in their behaviour from the get go.
>> > Fans can get pretty vocal about this kind of thing...
>> Allthough I wouldn't be surprised by a CC End Of Show "fuck you all"
>attitude. CC the rebel, not listening to the masses, and sinking his own
ship by
>doing exactly the contrary of what is expected from him.I know...I'm
scaring
>> myself...:-(
>I don't think he's that brave. He is slowly working it right along the
>shipper's plotline and pretty much always has been. Even after or during
crappy >eps there's always been something in there throwing the dogs a bone.
So like..with this Fuck You attitude you're talking about here Michele...are
we talking fatalities here....perhaps even....Agent Fatalities? <bg>
Whatever happens it ain't going to finish on the small screen. This one's
going out with a big screen bang if at all....
>> > Oh that old chestnut again? The Scully as displacing Samantha and
>carrying the same kind of guilt attached?
>> Exactly! Chestnut maybe, but it is a very sound explanation of his
>behaviour.
>Not any more it's not, maybe right at the start, possibly even in One
>Breath to some extent with the same nightmare replaying, but that's too
cliche
>to say now.
At this stage Scully's made it perfectly clear that she's there on her own
terms. While some guilt would be natural if something were to happen to her,
in the "I should've been able to do something." mode, if Mulder starts
heaping the kind of "Sam Guilt" on himself at this stage it would be
somewhat self indulgent to say the least. It would be another indicator
that he believed that everything has something to do with him. It may have
been guilt to some extent early on in the show...but now I think his
behaviour and actions are borne out of pure concern and worry.
>> > I tell you what, if I had a brother and he
>> > looked at me in the same way as Mulder looks at Scully that first time
>she's conscious, I'd be worried. Dead worried.
>> You're interpreting a *look*, for Christ Sake! How come didn't I see it
>then?
>Um, cos you interpreted the look in a different way <g>
<LOL> Nail and hammer connect firmly. <g>
>> Me, the worst mushball in French history,who spent most of her
>teenagehood weeping over Garbo's movies? How come I saw a relieved,
>awkward with guilt, but nonetheless happy friend?
>We all see what we want to see. I just saw someone so bloody overwhelmed
>with all being right in the world again that he couldn't even stay in the
>room with her for fear of not knowing exactly what to say or do. Then along
he >came three, four years later and told her everything in a corridor right
before a >bee got in on the act. "You make me a whole person" I think that
was what he >was thinking in One Breath and he was too damn shy still to say
it to her then. >And her mum was there of course <g>
Actually I think that bit in One Breath correlates nicely with the bit at
the very end of Redux II. When Ma Scully and Bill Jr are inside with her,
and Mulder's sitting outside in the hallway...virtually glowing now that
she's gone into remission. Again he's removed...away...most probably
because he's too damned shy and uncomfortable trying to express what he's
feeling, but there's no doubting what it is he is feeling.
I think maybe Michele, a lot of what you do or don't see, is in your
expectations. And when I say you, I mean you in the general everyone sense.
If you expect romance to come in a certain form or shape, with certain,
looks, touches, phrases...that's what romance is to you...if it doesn't
conform...then it isn't romance....to you.
I think the same goes for lots of stuff. Comedy, what is funny and what
isn't funny, to you...and perhaps why some people think that some people are
good actors, because they *act* a certain way and other people aren't good
actors, because they don't act the same way. Expectations. Maybe a good
romance, like comedy is subjective. Just my thoughts of course.
[Sam]
>> > I don't think he did at all. He was suckered completely. The way he
>> > approached her on the verandah at the house, the way he watched her
>as she spoke and the way he acted with her.
>> Well watch it again, he was definitly wary...
>I'd go for nervous not wary. That look on his face when she finally goes
>into his arms, that's him with part of his quest healed right there.
I'd have to say at first watch I thought he was wary as well....but maybe
that was borne out of all the time she'd been gone as opposed to it "not
being her"...that it was hard to believe she was suddenly back into his life
again. I think wariness would be a somewhat natural reaction But by the
time he hugs her...he's over it. He believes he has her back.
>> >which is why the bridge scene worked so well because - to all intents
>and purposes he'd just lost the sister he'd been looking for for so
>long.
>> He trusted the SWAT team would neutralize Lumpface in time, I guess he
>just couldn't choose between a sister who's a stranger to him and his
partner.
>Can we think Mulder would be so stupid as to believe his lone swat guy
>would do the business? He sent her into danger, mainly because she
>was so willing but also because there was that little matter of Scully
>being an innocent in all this.
But can you discount Samantha in all that? You're assuming that *Mulder*
made the life and death decision. Scully over Samantha. Remember that she'd
just come from a *family* being hunted down by our friendly MMA...she knew
more about this guy then he did and that she knew what she was doing, I got
the impression that she'd made it more than clear that she wanted to do the
switch.
>> >Watch the scene where he tells his dad, there's no inkling there that
>he thinks he's "lost" anything but the real deal all over again. So in
>> essence, he does swap his sister for Scully.
>> Oh, ok, ok, you won that round. But it just means Scully is becoming more
>> important to him than his sister. As we say in French, he doesn't "want
>to trade the prey for the shadow", meaning he'd rather keep a surrogate
>sister than take a risk with a quasi mythical one.
>Woo Hoo! I won! I won! <snicker> Surrogate sister, you thought I'd miss
>your sneaking that in there didn't you? <g>
But how can she be his surrogate sister....if, as you say, she's more
important to him than his sister? <g>
Yep..what she said. The desire is there...it's just sublimated a) because
of their perceived notion it would get in the way of their work and b)
because the writers know exactly what they're doing.
>> >What? You mean you haven't read that well-known book: "You love
>someone, shoot em in the shoulder"? Sheesh!
>> Remind me never to introduce you to male friends of mine...<G>
>Y'know, there's some people would say just the opposite there <g>
Yeah...but they're mostly just you Caroline. <bg>
>> <snip the Rift.>
>> Before answering to that I need a list of the Rift eps...to see if they
>really sank as you say.
>The likes of Oubliette, Revelations, Nisei, 731, Syzygy, Grotesque (sort
>of). Good episodes in their own rights but a lot of the writing for M&S was
>off the mark, usually favouring one at the expense of the other, taking the
>other wildly out of character for eps such as Oubliette - Scully at her
most
>unsympathetic with no reason whatsoever, Revelations - Mulder the same
>with only his faith as a reason and that was a pretty weak one and then
>Ditch!City in Nisei, 731, Scully drags the boy's ass out of trouble yet
>again when he gets it into his head that it'd be fun to play James Bond.
Then
>there are the eps where nothing really was too offensive about the M&S
>writing but there was nowt special either; The Walk, The List, 2Shy,
>all of which conspired to make S3 not exactly rerun central for me.
I still have a fondness for Syzygy. It's not a classic but it's an
enjoyable installment IMHO. I think it suffered from following hard on the
heels of WOTC and perhaps if it had been taken out of S3 and plonked in S4
though it might have worked better as it would've been a complete
behavioural abberation rather than part of any rift, and would've heightened
the weird M&S behaviour, rather than making them seem just more grouchy with
each other than usual.
>> [Pusher]
>> > You see care, I see a lot more. We're not going to win here. But what
>> > about that hand holding, the loving, lingering little shot right at
>the end, y'know, when they'd all calmed down and stuff?
>> An overzealous director ? Yeah yeah...ok, I admit it was shippy, I guess
>they got the UST dosages wrong.
>Or maybe they got them spot on...
Worked for me...definitely felt better.
>> > <g> And y'know what? He made absolutely no move to defend himself.
>> What could he do? Shoot her ?
>Turn about is fair play...
That's what you say to all the boys ain't it. ;)
>> [ MM / cancer makes you hug people theory]
>> > <errgghh> Wrong answer. Not buying that, not even for a second. I
>think these two need something like a brush with death to make them get to
>that point where they can let their respective guards down for a while.
>> Uhmmm...thats a good point...too bad I think my previous explanation is
>more logical. <HG>
>I'd argue if I could remember your last explanation <snicker> It didn't
>make it through to this reply.
That would be the one about Cancer making you hug people and generally do
things you wouldn't do. But even if that was true (and I don't think it is,
some people withdraw big time) wouldn't that just mean that all it did was
remove some of the barriers to allow them to express their true feelings?
Which of course brings us all the way back to what their true feelings are.
Ahh the never ending shipper/no-romo circle...don'tcha just hate it. :)
>> > These two inspire the other to continue, at times it reads that
>they're only going on because the other will be there with them.
>> < playing violin with unshed tears in eyes> ah...I love it when you go
>all lyrical...<sighs>
><vbg> Hell, every once in a while it makes a nice change to wax lyrical and
>these two do bring out the perpetual B.S-er in me <g>
I'm worried about Cat, with her low Mush tolerance levels, she'll probably
need a shot of insulin to survive all this...
>> Anyway... to answer your question, yes, I do think they are really dense,
>and that they should have shagged like bunnies ages ago.
>woah, dude! Do you realise you just said that on a public forum?
<double take> <raised eyebrow> A very public forum! So if you think they
should've shagged like bunnies ages ago...then obviously you think there
must be some kind of attraction between them...yes? 'Cause why would you say
that if there was no perceived attraction? Hmm....?
[On the other hand maybe it's not Michele....have you noticed the rather
remarkable similarity in the above admittance to the recent Dreamland
opening "Morris" comments on the same subject?] Ahem....soooo
*Michele*...been near Area 51 at all recently?
>> But I am also sorry to say, that I could very well see Sunshine with
>Buddy, and Cat could tell you the same about Mulder and Ratboy.;-)
>no problems at all with Sunshine and Buddy - they have some fabulous
>fic smut together <g> Mulder and Ratboy I just don't see...Mulder and
Buddy, >now that's another matter altogether <snicker>
I think I know the answer to this already..but em...what about Mulder,
Sunshine and Buddy?
>> > Hey, I'm a lightweight I'll readily admit it
>> Yep, a wouss even...<G>
><nods> Yup.
But is she a lightweight wouss? I think not.
>> > it was similar to that
>> > sported in the movie corridor just before she went cross-eyed
>> See Cat? I told you she did cross eyes in the HS, even Caroline says so!
><LOL> And it was Lian who told me, I missed it all the way through numerous
>movie trips and then just saw it once out of the blue, fair near spat my
>popcorn all over the show.
<BG> What can I say? Weird eye movements and Secondary whispers in the snow
I get....main snow whispers and socks of love I miss. Everyone has their
fortes I guess. :)
>> > but she wasn't even close to pushing away and ro-sham-boing the guy.
>> There is no way to know this for sure.
>Unless you watch them both really carefully and see absolutely no sign
>that either one of them was looking for an escape clause...
Frankly the dead give away is the way she opens her mouth...sorry...parts
her lips <g> and closes her eyes just before impact....nuff said. Case
closed. End of story. :)
>> [demons]
>> >I think she was more selfless, I think it was all about him that end
>hug, just one of those, "you feel this? I'm right behind you"
>> <muffled laughter and instant blush> Uhm...sorry...ahem...fanfic
>> intertextuality is at work again...<regaining composure> sooo...where
>were we?
><snicker> No, no, you carry right on along those lines <sits back with
>feet up> Off you go.
Oh yeah...I believe you were at "I'm right behind you.".......<passes
Caroline the popcorn and sits back>
>> >her reputation and that of her family for anyone but Mulder - do you?
>> Uhm...no. But talking about Skinner, he was willing to lose all those
>things for her, so what does this says about *him*?
>Unrequited and a half.
Fatherly concern? :) Payback for his percieved part in what CSM got up to?
>> > I see a rose garden and a beautiful fountain... Oh what? You mean
>we're not playing blot tests?
>> I see....sorry can't tell *this* within a respectable NG. Christ! I'd
>better finish those Awards quickly.
><vbg> Looking forward to it. But you're mistaken, there's no way in hell
>this is a respectable newsgroup.
Are you trying to tell me she was talking about *this* newsgroup when she
said that?! <raised eyebrow with definite Scully high arch>
>> > To you maybe... No one else seems to be jumping into this thing though
>so we'll just have to leave it at that.
>> <Waves> Hello ? Anybody out there? <bellows> WOUSSSIES !!!
><sounds of tumble weeds blowing across desert terrain>
<sound of spurs chinking across the dirt street....cigarette dropped and
ground into the ground with heel (9" Scully)....camera pans up...> You
called?
>> > > One day my friends, we shall inherit the world...ahr ahr ahr!!!
><manic Phile laughter>
>> >Fantastic idea, now *that* I do agree with you on :-)
>> I thought you would...;-)
>any time.
World Domination, is never gonna happen, Michele, not unless you can tutor
Caroline in Meglomaniacal Cosmology 101 and Remedial Lying. Otherwise, your
plans will be on the cover of every major newspaper faster than you can say
"Get me some red paper to write this on."
>> PS: I am in Gossamer !!!
>> PPS: What happened to Lian???
<panicked face> What?! What's wrong with me?! Have I changed suddenly?!
>Telephone lines did a Monica.
>Only without the cigar.
Yep...went down faster than TXF's ratings if Spudner and Fowley ever take
over. Fully up and running now though...feel the power! :)
NWWY
Lian
Cat
Michele
Lian wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 'Fraid so. <she said not one whit afraid> All the indications from the new
> series seem to point in that direction. We're not talking massive sudden
> leaps here...hell it took us 5 years and a movie to get to *this*
> point....but it is slowly metamorphosising, borne out of the changes the
> characters have gone through. Probably the biggest being, Caroline's
> aforementioned Scully over Sam...or more precisely Scully over The Quest.
well... Scully *is* The Quest now.
> Yeah yeah..we know..."...but someones gotta watch M&S do it."
<holding night vision goggles> Ooooh Booooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
> >I think UST is too, I dunno, *cold* maybe for Redux II. M&S do share
> >as much if not more than lovers, no disputing that fact but the constraints
> >of the show perhaps is what makes it this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not
> >someone who does think a sexual rel should work its way into the show, but
> >I do believe that in anywhere but the show, M&S would be consummated
> >professionals long since.
<LOL> Consummated he? Yeah I agree.
> I mean how many other times have
> you heard people say "Yes, we want them to be together...but let's wait."
I know people hate this reference, but it was the case of Moonlighting.
> Restraint is generally not something TV fans, especially the romantic sort,
> have too much of. This has moved well beyond UST into real romance...of
> the purest deepest most decidely NON Mills & Boon sort.
Who? (sorry cross-cultural reference missing here :-))
> I shall now go and check myself into MushMeister's Anonymous ....
I KNEW it !!! Is it working?
> ...like I said, it's moved beyond just UST
> there's more than just hormones at stake here..
Yeah, Hormones and steak don't go well together...er...sorry...<hangs head>
> For some of us, I think that means "The closed door scenario" by that I
> mean leaving something to the imagination.
You mean that thing which makes Jules get this faraway look sometimes?
> I don't even mean the sex
> thing...
Oh sorry not Jules then...<G>
> though we don't need to see that either.
We don't? <pouts>
> I mean more the, humdrum
> aspects of romance. What I'm trying to say I guess, is that we should
> finish at the climax, err...so to speak.
Now, you're talking...<HG>
> Any declaration of love and/or
> consummation of said love, should be just about the final act of this
> relationship. Door closes over.
<Michele grabs spare keys> Yeah, right...
> Fade out. Then, if we want we can take it
> further any way we want in our heads and in our fic. It's crystallising
> it...keeping it perfect. Am I making even one iota of sense here?
Perfectly well and I have to admit that I agree with everything sofar...
>
>
> >I think the bottom line is, I believe firmly that they do love each other
> in a non->platonic sense
...er strike that, I don't agree anymore...well, they do *now*, yada yada, you
know my song...:-)
> I do doubt that it will be directly addressed for a long
> time..
<breath of relief> Thank God...<strokes her hair happilly>
> .i.e..mentioned per se, but I think the ramifications of it, will
> probably be evident in their behaviour from the get go.
Oh dear.
> So like..with this Fuck You attitude you're talking about here Michele...are
> we talking fatalities here....perhaps even....Agent Fatalities? <bg>
Well CC likes killing them...
> if Mulder starts
> heaping the kind of "Sam Guilt" on himself at this stage it would be
> somewhat self indulgent to say the least.
But typical.
> It would be another indicator
> that he believed that everything has something to do with him.
Well, the boy *is* a bit self centered isn't he?
> It may have
> been guilt to some extent early on in the show...but now I think his
> behaviour and actions are borne out of pure concern and worry.
"I'm not going to let you die for some hollow cause of mine!" .Sounds pretty
guilt ridden to me...
> Again he's removed...away...most probably
> because he's too damned shy and uncomfortable trying to express what he's
> feeling, but there's no doubting what it is he is feeling.
Relief? <G>
> I think maybe Michele, a lot of what you do or don't see, is in your
> expectations. And when I say you, I mean you in the general everyone sense.
> If you expect romance to come in a certain form or shape, with certain,
> looks, touches, phrases...that's what romance is to you...if it doesn't
> conform...then it isn't romance....to you.
Thank you doctor, I feel much better now,<G> but you're right and so is
Caroline, it's all a matter of interpretation, maybe because of my French
upbringing where kissing, hugging and generaly invading personal space happens
all the time among friends and family members, I am less sensitive to this and
can't see it as romantic indicator...
> But how can she be his surrogate sister....if, as you say, she's more
> important to him than his sister? <g>
Awww...stop it!
> I still have a fondness for Syzygy. It's not a classic but it's an
> enjoyable installment IMHO.
AH! Thank you Lian, I loved Syzygy. Not a great plot, but the M&S
characterization had me laughing like a drain!
> That would be the one about Cancer making you hug people and generally do
> things you wouldn't do. But even if that was true (and I don't think it is,
> some people withdraw big time) wouldn't that just mean that all it did was
> remove some of the barriers to allow them to express their true feelings?
> Which of course brings us all the way back to what their true feelings are.
> Ahh the never ending shipper/no-romo circle...don'tcha just hate it. :)
I have a headache, pass me the Demerol....<something lands sharply on Michele's
desk>...thanks Fiona !
> I'm worried about Cat, with her low Mush tolerance levels, she'll probably
> need a shot of insulin to survive all this...
Or just a shot, period. <wishful grin> no need to let her suffer any longer...
> So if you think they
> should've shagged like bunnies ages ago...then obviously you think there
> must be some kind of attraction between them...yes?
I never denied this.
> 'Cause why would you say
> that if there was no perceived attraction? Hmm....?
< pinching nose bridge> Uhhhhhhhhhh...not AGAIN!!!
> Ahem....soooo
> *Michele*...been near Area 51 at all recently?
No. I 've been staying by the waterbed...<swivels round>Caroline! Give me back
those hancuffs!Fiona!Get out of under that bed right now! Julie! Don't you touch
that bed! Cat! I can see your feet sticking out from the curtain! < knock on
bedroom door> Sorry Lian you can't get in, after all *you* are in favour of this
"closed door" theory.
<Pushes grumbling Philes towards the door> Off you go girls!
> I think I know the answer to this already..but em...what about Mulder,
> Sunshine and Buddy?
And Frohike? <shivers> Nah!
> But is she a lightweight wouss? I think not.
No she's the Kate Adie of woussies.
> <BG> What can I say? Weird eye movements and Secondary whispers in the snow
> I get....
Secondary whispers? You mean the one about sausages? Don't ask *me*, ask Cat.
> ["Right behind you" musings]
>
> ><snicker> No, no, you carry right on along those lines <sits back with
> >feet up> Off you go.
>
> Oh yeah...I believe you were at "I'm right behind you.".......<passes
> Caroline the popcorn and sits back>
Well...er...aren't we in a public forum ???
> [skinner]
> Fatherly concern? :) Payback for his percieved part in what CSM got up to?
Uhm, maybe...allthough it seemed to me strange at the time that an AD would go
to such extent for one agent.
> <sound of spurs chinking across the dirt street....cigarette dropped and
> ground into the ground with heel (9" Scully)....camera pans up...> You
> called?
Er...<tiny voice> me ? No.
> World Domination, is never gonna happen, Michele, not unless you can tutor
> Caroline in Meglomaniacal Cosmology 101 and Remedial Lying.
She needs a tutor for this ??? <HG> Anyway I like a challenge...
> Otherwise, your
> plans will be on the cover of every major newspaper faster than you can say
> "Get me some red paper to write this on."
Damn!
--
HANL
Michele.
Michele
Caroline Smith wrote:
> I know, Julie and Fiona are still wading through In the Ruins and the like
> just trying to find those moments y'know. Dirty job... <g>
> I worry though that you're all gonna go blind <snicker>
Actually my choices tend to revolve around 3 stories, The Pact, The Tempest and
in The ruins.And I'm still not blind...even if seriously myopic.
> No argument from me, but I think they're ready to move along a little. I
> think the admittance in the movie was that they're both right to take this
> that one step further and I think that's where S6+ will be heading because
> it just seems a natural progression.
Fair enough.
>
>
> M&S would be consummated
> professionals long since.
Oops, I answered this in my answer to Lian, it's getting hard to keep track of
who wrote what, sorry.
> One of the great attractions for the characters
> in TXF is that their rel is a-typical, that it's so much more than just a
> quick shag scene and some tangled sheets thank you very much.
Why quick ? <HDS>
> > You're interpreting a *look*, for Christ Sake! How come didn't I see it
> then?
>
> Um, cos you interpreted the look in a different way <g>
Er, yeah...I guess.
> Then along he came three, four years later and told her everything in a
> corridor right before a bee
> got in on the act. "You make me a whole person" I think that was what he was
> thinking
> in One Breath and he was too damn shy still to say it to her then.
Well, that's where I disagree, I don't think he thought of her in that way that
early.Besides, I don't think Mulder is that shy.
> I'd go for nervous not wary. That look on his face when she finally goes
> into his arms, that's him with part of his quest healed right there.
I watched it again and he looked like someone who wanted to believe, not
actually *did*.and then he accuses her of hiding info from him. Why would he be
so suspicious of hie newly found Holy Grail ?
> Woo Hoo! I won! I won! <snicker> Surrogate sister, you thought I'd miss
> your sneaking that in there didn't you? <g>
Worth a try. <G>
> I think their priorites are screwed personally.
and they are the only ones <HDS>
> Their jobs are their lives
> and neither of them are stupid enough to jeopardise that for the sake of them
>
> consummating a relationship where they have everything but the sex.
What I don't get is why sex would jeopardise everything when they have
everything else, (actually I think this is one of Cat's argument.) what is so
dangerous about it? I mean, except than jeopardizing the audience ratings?You
must admit that this " they are so much in love but won't have sex, because it
would ruin everything." argument is a bit weak in itself, if we only stick to
the characterization and forget about the show's internal dynamic, made to
tease the audience as you implied in the next bit I snipped.
> Oubliette - Scully at her most
> unsympathetic with no reason whatsoever,
Yeah, and that weak attempt at PCR was a disaster! I didn't like this ep
actually.
> Revelations - Mulder the same
> with only his faith as a reason and that was a pretty weak one
I thought it was a good reason to oppose them, faith tends to trigger strong
feelings in people.
> and then
> Ditch!City in Nisei, 731, Scully drags the boy's ass out of trouble yet
> again when he gets it into his head that it'd be fun to play James Bond.
Loved those eps though, bloody good plot. And Mulder as an insensitive bastard
" But you're OK aren't you Scully?" worked for me. I never cared much for Goody
Mulder.
> Then
> there are the eps where nothing really was too offensive about the M&S
> writing but there was nowt special either;
You mean no ship? <G>
> The Walk,
Yawn.
> The List,
Re- yawn. Apart for the " I only get five?" line.
> 2Shy,
Loved this one, mostly because we've got another insight at what it means for
Scully to be in the "Boys Club", her icy stare and clipped answers to the
detective in the autopsy bay made me wave my fist in a "you go girl" motion!Oh,
that and the "Karen Kossef" woman has a hard time. Well done, can't stand her
whiny voice when she plays the shrink, when Scully goes to see her, ( Elegy ?)
her" And you kept working?" with that look of pity complete with trembling
chin, made me want to throttle the woman. Don't know why, she just gets on my
nerves that one.
> I guess
> they
> > got the UST dosages wrong.
>
> Or maybe they got them spot on...
Nah!
> > Anyway... to answer your question, yes, I do think they are really dense,
> and
> > that they should have shagged like bunnies ages ago.
>
> woah, dude! Do you realise you just said that on a public forum?
Er...what's wrong with "bunnies" ?
> no problems at all with Sunshine and Buddy - they have some fabulous
> fic smut together <g>
<ever widening grin> Oh yes!
> Mulder and Ratboy I just don't see...
<whistles> Cat ! There's a job for you!
> Mulder and Buddy, now that's another
> matter altogether <snicker>
Skinner did say he should come to Mulder's office more often, or was it "in"?
(Yeah, yeah , I know, Bloopers don't count)
> > [demons]
> > >I think she was more selfless, I think it was all about him that end
> hug,
> > > just one of those, "you feel this? I'm right behind you"
> >
> > <muffled laughter and instant blush> Uhm...sorry...ahem...fanfic
> > intertextuality is at work again...<regaining composure> sooo...where
> were we?
>
> <snicker> No, no, you carry right on along those lines <sits back with
> feet up> Off you go.
Public forum, remember?
> [Skinner]
>
> Unrequited and a half.
Mighty crush ?
> <vbg> Looking forward to it. But you're mistaken, there's no way in hell
> this is a respectable newsgroup.
Oh really ? Well I'm afraid I must leave then...--
HANL
Michele.
Michele
Cat wrote:
Michele wrote
>Caroline Smith wrote:
> Michele wrote:
> > >Yes, Honey!
> >Ha ha ha. Very droll :-)
>
>Sweet in'it?<Approaches with insecticide to put pun out of its misery>
URGGGGHHHH!!! <pun dies in horrible convulsions>Spoilsport.<sulks>
So...they just need to jump into the sack to convince you that
they are in love??
No... I wouldn't go that far, they can drop the sack...<wg>
Sex is hardly the defining difference between
love and friendship.
Er..it isn't ?
How many episodes? Anyone taking odds? I say.....four eps. No,
three. No, four. Four. Anyone else betting?
42.
How come I
>saw a relieved, awkward with guilt, but nonetheless happy
>friend?Discipline? <eg>
<LOL> something like that.
:-) So then, we're just waiting for them both to feel really
untamed at the same time <g>.
Yup!
I don't think you can really mean
it, but it sounds like you think sex is the only way to tell
between friendship and love, which is clearly bollocks.
Not the *only* way, but a dead giaway in any case.
According to the above, the first day that they both decide *at
once* that they want to fuck, *then* they are officially
Sanctioned-by-Michele In Love.
Caroline did you remind Cat this was a public forum? <snicker>
Nah, you can't mean that.
And pray, why not? What would be so wrong with that?
Hey, they're moody people. That's no reason to think that they're
not in love. In fact, if they get on each other's nerves that
much, why else would they stick together?
Out of habit, fear of loneliness, misplaced sense of duty...etc.
What's your definition of wrong? I agree it was a sudden blip on
the relatively steady increase in obvious shippyness over the
years.
Wrong as in out of character.
>What could he do? Shoot her ?Er - yeah? In the shoulder, say. Well he does love her, y'know.
No I don't...er, I mean I do now, but not before, oh crap, I've got a headache!
As an objective observer I'd say 15-love, Smith.
Ah! THANK YOU!
Cancer makes
you dare to hug people you'd like to hug anyway and only need a
good excuse like a deathbed or a cold forest or something.
Then again maybe not.
>Sunshine with Buddy,Nooooooooo!!! He's Mulder's <bg>
I knew you would say that!
>and Cat could tell you the same about Mulder and Ratboy.;-)They probably did in Tunguska or Hong Kong. Well, possibly. Well,
they *might* have <gets defensive>
See, see ? It works every time!
Ah *ha*. All we need for the Hat deal is a bottle of wine then
:-)
Make that two and you can even knit little hearts on the hat...
>See Cat? I told you she did cross eyes in the HS, even Caroline
>says so!Tsk. Okay, she does a bit <sigh>.
A BIT ? Come on!
Damn, I forgot HS in the
acronyms list.
Oooh, unforgivable!
No but we keep taking polls and it's your opinion versus the
world, missus.
Well, the boys are being woussies, so of course one woman alone cannot fight the ship!
>[demons]
><muffled laughter and instant blush> Uhm...sorry...ahem...fanfic
>intertextuality is at work again...<regaining composure>
>sooo...where were we?<LOL> Ohhh, is that what intertextuality means then? Glad I
wasn't the only one giggling...
>>Could go either way.
>
>< resuming violin> sniff...beautiful...<looks bewildered> Are we talking slash again or have I just lost
the plot?
<LOL> CAT! You're hopeless!
--
HANL
Michele.
Cat
>Cat wrote:
>> <Approaches with insecticide to put pun out of its misery>
>
>URGGGGHHHH!!! <pun dies in horrible
>convulsions>Spoilsport.<sulks>
It had a good life and didn't suffer. Except for the horrible
convulsions <happy smile>
>> So...they just need to jump into the sack to convince you that
>> they are in love??
>
>No... I wouldn't go that far, they can drop the sack...<wg>
Not on American primetime they can't. Public forum and all that.
>> Sex is hardly the defining difference between
>> love and friendship.
>
>Er..it isn't ?
No it isn't. People can have sex without love and vice versa.
>> How many episodes? Anyone taking odds? I say.....four eps. No,
>> three. No, four. Four. Anyone else betting?
>
>42.
42 is probably about when they will finally get it on, if that's
what you mean by "addressing the hallway scene".
>> :-) So then, we're just waiting for them both to feel really
>> untamed at the same time <g>.
>
>Yup!
<g> Synchronicity's gotta happen soon. Logically.
>> I don't think you can really mean
>> it, but it sounds like you think sex is the only way to tell
>> between friendship and love, which is clearly bollocks.
>
>Not the *only* way, but a dead giaway in any case.
See above. It isn't a very reliable guide! So, wait, Mulder and
Scully aren't in love but Krycek and Marita are? Okaaaaay.
>> According to the above, the first day that they both decide
>> *at once* that they want to fuck, *then* they are officially
>> Sanctioned-by-Michele In Love.
>
>Caroline did you remind Cat this was a public forum? <snicker>
What, why? <waves politely to lurkers> Don't remind me, I get shy
when there's an audience.
>> Nah, you can't mean that.
>
>And pray, why not? What would be so wrong with that?
Because it's a criminally dumb thing to mean, and you always
struck me as being, oh, fairly intelligent...okay, not always but
sometimes :-)
>> Hey, they're moody people. That's no reason to think that
>> they're not in love. In fact, if they get on each other's
>> nerves that much, why else would they stick together?
>
>Out of habit, fear of loneliness, misplaced sense of duty...etc.
Are you winding me up or do you think that? They're not together
out of duty; they don't go to the ends of the world after each
other because their consciences would nag if they didn't; they go
because their worlds would collapse if they didn't.
>> >What could he do? Shoot her ?
>>
>> Er - yeah? In the shoulder, say. Well he does love her,
>> y'know.
>
>No I don't...er, I mean I do now, but not before, oh crap, I've
>got a headache!
<eg> Watch Slider's tape, then immediately Memento Mori, and try
telling me there's a big difference there. Where? where? you're
just a bit slow on the uptake.
>> As an objective observer I'd say 15-love, Smith.
>
>Ah! THANK YOU!
For what?? That would be 15-love, Smith, as in, no points to you,
as in tennis <shrugs> I think the word "love" just confuses you.
>> >Sunshine with Buddy,
>>
>> Nooooooooo!!! He's Mulder's <bg>
>
>I knew you would say that!
<g> Nah, I was just playing along, you know I hate seeing M with
anyone but Ratboy.
>> >and Cat could tell you the same about Mulder and Ratboy.;-)
>>
>> They probably did in Tunguska or Hong Kong. Well, possibly.
>> Well, they *might* have <gets defensive>
>
>See, see ? It works every time!
<innocently> What works? M/K? yeah, always works for me.
>> Ah *ha*. All we need for the Hat deal is a bottle of wine then
>> :-)
>
>Make that two and you can even knit little hearts on the hat...
Can't knit but I can embroider them in silk threads, or wool
tapestry, what do you think, girls?
<cross eyes in the HS>
>A BIT ? Come on!
Yeah, a *bit*. Look at the bloopers, that's how much she *could*
have crossed her eyes!
>> Damn, I forgot HS in the acronyms list.
>
>Oooh, unforgivable!
Hey, I take professional pride in my list! <snicker>
>> No but we keep taking polls and it's your opinion versus the
>> world, missus.
>
>Well, the boys are being woussies, so of course one woman alone
>cannot fight the ship!
Oh go on then, admit defeat. Even Stu seems to have given up.
>> >[demons]
>> <LOL> Ohhh, is that what intertextuality means then? Glad I
>> wasn't the only one giggling...
>
>Great minds, yada yada...(or should it be dirty minds?)
What's the difference again?
>> >>Could go either way.
>> >
>> >< resuming violin> sniff...beautiful...
>>
>> <looks bewildered> Are we talking slash again or have I just
>> lost the plot?
>
><LOL> CAT! You're hopeless!
<g> I think it was you said I was born that way. So you can't
blame me.
Lian
>Lian wrote:
[Mooooove closer!]
>> 'Fraid so. <she said not one whit afraid> All the indications from the
new
>> series seem to point in that direction. We're not talking massive sudden
>> leaps here...hell it took us 5 years and a movie to get to *this*
>> point....but it is slowly metamorphosising, borne out of the changes the
>> characters have gone through. Probably the biggest being, Caroline's
>> aforementioned Scully over Sam...or more precisely Scully over The Quest.
>well... Scully *is* The Quest now.
Why Michele..what a romantic thing to say. <g>
[It's a dirty job...]
>> Yeah yeah..we know..."...but someones gotta watch M&S do it."
><holding night vision goggles> Ooooh Booooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
<sees initials on night vision goggles> OI! Those are mine those are!!!
>> >I think UST is too, I dunno, *cold* maybe for Redux II. M&S do share
>> >as much if not more than lovers, no disputing that fact but the
constraints
>> >of the show perhaps is what makes it this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm
not
>> >someone who does think a sexual rel should work its way into the show,
but
>> >I do believe that in anywhere but the show, M&S would be consummated
>> >professionals long since.
><LOL> Consummated he? Yeah I agree.
As do I...but Michele I'm soooo confused!! <snicker> You're saying that they
are attracted to each other..and if it wasn't the show they'd be consummated
and if they'd any sense they'd be shaggin' like bunnies!! But *then* you say
they *don't* love each other in that sense...ooh...my head. <g>
>> I mean how many other times have
>> you heard people say "Yes, we want them to be together...but let's wait."
>I know people hate this reference, but it was the case of Moonlighting.
Yes and I'm one of them who hate it...but I don't think they ever said "but
let's wait" on Moonlighting...hence them not waiting, but going for it,
getting HUGE ratings and undermining the show big time...ditto Lois & Clark.
XF shipper fans want it...but they're willing to wait till the time is just
right...i.e the end.
>> Restraint is generally not something TV fans, especially the romantic
sort,
>> have too much of. This has moved well beyond UST into real romance...of
>> the purest deepest most decidely NON Mills & Boon sort.
>Who? (sorry cross-cultural reference missing here :-))
Heh...sorry 'bout that. My fault. Mills & Boon, English equivalent to the
American Harlequin novels. Those short cheap *romance* novels with the
covers featuring Manly Men with hairless chests and Womanly Women with ample
chests and no waists to speak of. Generally written from the female point
of view and full of breathless (gag making) longing and the girl going for
the wrong guy a) to string things out and b) so they can get in some torrid
flesh filled moments. Generally read by middle aged women on their hols. I
of course have never read one...and anyone who intimates otherwise will
kindly meet me out back for some serious arse kicking, unless of course
you're into that kind of thing, whereupon I'll simply knock you out, tie you
up, bring you round and force you to listen to the collected Works of The
Spice Girls and the Songs from Ally McBeal album, I thank you.
>> I shall now go and check myself into MushMeister's Anonymous ....
>I KNEW it !!! Is it working?
Nope...they told me it'd take years...possibly decades. Sorry. :)
>> ...like I said, it's moved beyond just UST
>> there's more than just hormones at stake here..
>Yeah, Hormones and steak don't go well together...er...sorry...<hangs head>
<points> Go stand in the corner young lady..and don't come back till you've
got 3 smutty puns....
>> For some of us, I think that means "The closed door scenario" by that I
>> mean leaving something to the imagination.
>You mean that thing which makes Jules get this faraway look sometimes?
I thought that was constipation? <takes evasive manouvers in case Julie's
within earshot>
>> I don't even mean the sex thing...
>Oh sorry not Jules then...<G>
What, Julie get's a faraway look when she's contemplating sex? Someone
better warn the lads....that's dangerous that is.
>> though we don't need to see that either.
>We don't? <pouts>
No we don't...but I wanna. :)
>> I mean more the, humdrum
>> aspects of romance. What I'm trying to say I guess, is that we should
>> finish at the climax, err...so to speak.
>Now, you're talking...<HG>
On this subject...continuously. ;)
>> Any declaration of love and/or
>> consummation of said love, should be just about the final act of this
>> relationship. Door closes over.
><Michele grabs spare keys> Yeah, right...
Nooo! No keys needed! What I mean is we get to see the good stuff...it just
finishes *after* the good stuff. That way it *can't* go downhill.
>> Fade out. Then, if we want we can take it
>> further any way we want in our heads and in our fic. It's crystallising
>> it...keeping it perfect. Am I making even one iota of sense here?
>Perfectly well and I have to admit that I agree with everything sofar...
Really? Wow...so you'd go for the romance if it was only instigated at the
end then?
>> >I think the bottom line is, I believe firmly that they do love each
other
>> in a non->platonic sense
>...er strike that, I don't agree anymore...well, they do *now*, yada yada,
you
>know my song...:-)
Well that wasn't me...that bit was Caroline. So our agreeing streak remains
intact. :) But actually as I agree with Caroline...maybe it doesn't.
Okay...so I need clarification (again)...from your last comment I'm getting
that you think : "They didn't love each other in any other way other than
platonically...till *now*...i.e the movie." Yes, No?
>> I do doubt that it will be directly addressed for a long time..
><breath of relief> Thank God...<strokes her hair happilly>
This reply indicates that it being directly addressed at some time is
acceptable to you. <bg> Oh and by the way...that's *directly* addressed...I
believe the bet is such that if the hallway scene comes up even in passing
you can kiss those locks g'bye!
>> .i.e..mentioned per se, but I think the ramifications of it, will
>> probably be evident in their behaviour from the get go.
>Oh dear.
Oh yeah!
[Angstarama]
>> So like..with this Fuck You attitude you're talking about here
Michele...are
>> we talking fatalities here....perhaps even....Agent Fatalities? <bg>
>Well CC likes killing them...
This is true. Well at least making them appear to be dead...actually making
Mulder appear to be dead. He just likes to have Scully dying. It's a very
real possibility....'cept to some of the Denial!Girls on this ng who won't
even listen to talk about it...<she said not looking at anybody in
particular>
>> if Mulder starts
>> heaping the kind of "Sam Guilt" on himself at this stage it would be
>> somewhat self indulgent to say the least.
>But typical.
Sadly this is also true.
>> It would be another indicator
>> that he believed that everything has something to do with him.
>Well, the boy *is* a bit self centered isn't he?
Yes. Yes he is. Something I've commented on many a time. And something
which bugs the hell out of me...even as recently as Folie a Deux.
[Mulder's reaction to S]
>> It may have
>> been guilt to some extent early on in the show...but now I think his
>> behaviour and actions are borne out of pure concern and worry.
>"I'm not going to let you die for some hollow cause of mine!" .Sounds
pretty
>guilt ridden to me...
Sounds like concern to me... :) Trying to prevent something rather than
apologising after the fact.
Don't think you can really be guilty till after an event, or till after
you've thought of doing something which would make you feel guilty, which in
and of itself is an event.
>> Again he's removed...away...most probably
>> because he's too damned shy and uncomfortable trying to express what he's
>> feeling, but there's no doubting what it is he is feeling.
>Relief? <G>
That's part of it, yeah. Joy too, but relief is a big part of it...it's
relief borne out of getting her back. BIG relief...the more you care, the
bigger the relief. And this was BIG. <g>
>> I think maybe Michele, a lot of what you do or don't see, is in your
>> expectations. And when I say you, I mean you in the general everyone
sense.
>> If you expect romance to come in a certain form or shape, with certain,
>> looks, touches, phrases...that's what romance is to you...if it doesn't
>> conform...then it isn't romance....to you.
>Thank you doctor, I feel much better now,<G>
Wait'll you see my bill. :)
>but you're right and so is Caroline, it's all a matter of interpretation,
maybe >because of my French upbringing where kissing, hugging and generaly
invading >personal space happens all the time among friends and family
members, I am >less sensitive to this and can't see it as romantic
indicator...
<nods> Yeah...that sounds like it could be right on the money. You come
from that kind of background and culture...we don't and neither do the the
characters of M&S or the guys that write them (I imagine). Guess you have to
kind of look at it from a the viewpoint of the more uptight non
demonstrative sorts from here and the U.S. :)
>> But how can she be his surrogate sister....if, as you say, she's more
>> important to him than his sister? <g>
>Awww...stop it!
<snigger> I'll admit that one was pushing the envelope just a smidge.
>> I still have a fondness for Syzygy. It's not a classic but it's an
>> enjoyable installment IMHO.
>AH! Thank you Lian, I loved Syzygy. Not a great plot, but the M&S
>characterization had me laughing like a drain!
Whatever you think about The Rift...or about the rather silly plot (but to
be honest is the idea that a convocation of stars/planets could affect
behaviour any sillier than killer cockroaches from another planet?)...there
were some extremely memorable moments, lines and performances in that
episode. Everything from the "Horny Beast", "Sure, Fine, Whatever", "Hate
Him! Wouldn't Want to Date him!" the "Little Legs" crack, and the "Shut Up
Mulder" at the end. The stuff with the Keystone cops on TV, Smoking!Scully,
Boozing!Mulder...the moment she walked into the room to see Det.White on top
of him. Just the performances of both GA & DD...and the actresses who
played the two girls make it worth watching. It's a sorely under rated
episode in my opinion. I firmly believe it suffered from where it came in
the run of episodes that season.
>> That would be the one about Cancer making you hug people and generally do
>> things you wouldn't do. But even if that was true (and I don't think it
is,
>> some people withdraw big time) wouldn't that just mean that all it did
was
>> remove some of the barriers to allow them to express their true feelings?
>> Which of course brings us all the way back to what their true feelings
are.
>> Ahh the never ending shipper/no-romo circle...don'tcha just hate it. :)
>I have a headache, pass me the Demerol....<something lands sharply on
Michele's desk>...thanks Fiona !
Err...Michele? That's a knife....
>> I'm worried about Cat, with her low Mush tolerance levels, she'll
probably
>> need a shot of insulin to survive all this...
>Or just a shot, period. <wishful grin> no need to let her suffer any
longer...
Ooh-hoo! Thank you Michele "Dr Death" Girard!
Run for your life Cat!!
>> So if you think they
>> should've shagged like bunnies ages ago...then obviously you think there
>> must be some kind of attraction between them...yes?
>I never denied this.
<whimper> Okay but that means that what you're saying is that they *were*
and *are* attracted to one another...but they didn't love or look at each
other any other way but platonically...
>> 'Cause why would you say
>> that if there was no perceived attraction? Hmm....?
>< pinching nose bridge> Uhhhhhhhhhh...not AGAIN!!!
Oh god...tell me about it....pass the Demerol......I need a vacation.
Okay..okay..hopefully you'll have clarified it all for me, and possibly
others, by the time you get this far in reply to this...but just in case.
Can you make a definitive statement on where you stand vis-a-vis..."Mulder &
Scully, love, romance and sexual attraction both in the past and now, and
what you would and would not like to see on the show in the future in regard
to said subjects."
Cause that would clear lots of things up...and possibly stop the nose bleeds
all round. <bg>
>> Ahem....soooo
>> *Michele*...been near Area 51 at all recently?
>No. I 've been staying by the waterbed...<swivels round>Caroline! Give me
back those hancuffs!Fiona!Get out of under that bed right now! Julie! Don't
you touch that bed! Cat! I can see your feet sticking out from the curtain!
< knock on
>bedroom door> Sorry Lian you can't get in, after all *you* are in favour of
this
>"closed door" theory.
><Pushes grumbling Philes towards the door> Off you go girls!
I *knew* you misunderstood that!! I knew it!!!
That was just a metaphor...<hammers on the door> a metaphor!! Let me IN!!!
>> I think I know the answer to this already..but em...what about Mulder,
>> Sunshine and Buddy?
>And Frohike? <shivers> Nah!
Noooo!! No Frohike..not now..not ever!!!
And no Byers either...but that's just cause I think he's cuddly..and cuddly
folk don't do that kind of think it'd ruin my fantasy. :)
[Caroline...what is she? <g>]
>> But is she a lightweight wouss? I think not.
>No she's the Kate Adie of woussies.
What all dressed in Khaki and constantly getting herself into dangerous
situations?
Ooh...come to think of it.....<bg>
>> <BG> What can I say? Weird eye movements and Secondary whispers in the
>>snow I get....
>Secondary whispers? You mean the one about sausages? Don't ask *me*, ask
>Cat.
Oh no!! You're not getting away that easy...what about the sausages!!!!
I was talking about possible declarations of a very personal kind...but
sausages sound interesting too... :)
>> ["Right behind you" musings]
>> ><snicker> No, no, you carry right on along those lines <sits back with
>> >feet up> Off you go.
>> Oh yeah...I believe you were at "I'm right behind you.".......<passes
>> Caroline the popcorn and sits back>
>Well...er...aren't we in a public forum ???
<looks around> Yup...appears so. Is this a problem? <g>
>> [skinner]
>> Fatherly concern? :) Payback for his percieved part in what CSM got up
to?
>Uhm, maybe...allthough it seemed to me strange at the time that an AD would
>go to such extent for one agent.
That's where that whole guilt thing would come into it. Sense of partial
responsibility for her situation.
[A call for Woussies]
>> <sound of spurs chinking across the dirt street....cigarette dropped and
>> ground into the ground with heel (9" Scully)....camera pans up...> You
>> called?
>Er...<tiny voice> me ? No.
<gimlet eyed stare><answers through Eastwood like gritted teeth> S'funny...
sounded like you...definite French accent.
[Taking ove the World]
>> World Domination, is never gonna happen, Michele, not unless you can
tutor
>> Caroline in Meglomaniacal Cosmology 101 and Remedial Lying.
>She needs a tutor for this ??? <HG> Anyway I like a challenge...
Well you got one baybee...Caroline makes Scully look like a World Champion
Con Woman, such is her lack of Lying ability. <g>
>> Otherwise, your
>> plans will be on the cover of every major newspaper faster than you can
say
>> "Get me some red paper to write this on."
>Damn!
Don't be downhearted, she's got the Drive...just not the sneakyness. Teach
her well...<g>
NWWY
Lian
Caroline Smith
>
> > I know, Julie and Fiona are still wading through In the Ruins and the
like
> > just trying to find those moments y'know. Dirty job... <g>
> > I worry though that you're all gonna go blind <snicker>
>
> Actually my choices tend to revolve around 3 stories, The Pact, The
> Tempest and in The ruins.And I'm still not blind...even if seriously
myopic.
Blind, schmind. S'all in the mind.
Strange how some people are voting, picking their three stories and then
their favourite author didn't write one of those three stories.
Is that weird or is it just me?
> > M&S would be consummated professionals long since.
>
> Oops, I answered this in my answer to Lian, it's getting hard to keep
track of
> who wrote what, sorry.
>
And with me and Lian there's always that "are they the same person" gig
as well <g>
> > One of the great attractions for the characters
> > in TXF is that their rel is a-typical, that it's so much more than just
a
> > quick shag scene and some tangled sheets thank you very much.
>
> Why quick ? <HDS>
Oh no, that was more relating it to the treatment of sex in other shows.
My own personal worse case scenario being Joel, Maggie, a barn and
amnesia in Northern Exposure, sod Moonlighting, NX is what TXF
should be striving to avoid emulating.
> > > You're interpreting a *look*, for Christ Sake! How come didn't I see
it
> > then?
> >
> > Um, cos you interpreted the look in a different way <g>
>
> Er, yeah...I guess.
<bg>
> > Then along he came three, four years later and told her everything in
a
> > corridor right before a bee got in on the act. "You make me a whole
> >person" I think that was what he was thinking
> > in One Breath and he was too damn shy still to say it to her then.
>
> Well, that's where I disagree, I don't think he thought of her in that
way that
> early.Besides, I don't think Mulder is that shy.
>
I think that little shuffle in and out of the room in One Breath pits
Mulder
as shy. That's just always been my spin on that scene, he's absolutely
beside himself with joy but he just doesn't know how to work it, hence
the video, the tentative entrance and attemped hasty exit, it's Scully who
brings him to give her her cross back in the end. And it all amounts to a
rather wonderful little scene.
> > I'd go for nervous not wary. That look on his face when she finally
goes
> > into his arms, that's him with part of his quest healed right there.
>
> I watched it again and he looked like someone who wanted to believe, not
> actually *did*.and then he accuses her of hiding info from him. Why would
he be
> so suspicious of hie newly found Holy Grail ?
>
I think he gets a chance to think it all through and that's when the
questions
kick in, there's that long exposition scene in End Game where Sam gets
her ten minutes to explain her position and what's going on. I still think
he thinks it's her. Why else would he have been so heartbroken when he
tells his dad all over again? I think there is doubt there in End Game
initially
- much more than any that is shown in Colony, he even tells his mother that
he thinks they're dealing with the real thing - but by the time the bridge
has
come and gone he's thinking he did lose Samantha all over, notice how
angrily he reacts to Scully when she's the one who doubts after the
exchange.
> > consummating a relationship where they have everything but the sex.
>
> What I don't get is why sex would jeopardise everything when they have
> everything else, (actually I think this is one of Cat's argument.) what
is so
> dangerous about it? I mean, except than jeopardizing the audience
ratings?You
> must admit that this " they are so much in love but won't have sex,
because it
> would ruin everything." argument is a bit weak in itself, if we only
stick to
> the characterization and forget about the show's internal dynamic, made
to
> tease the audience as you implied in the next bit I snipped.
I just don't particularly want the show to have to deal with Mulder and
Scully
after sex. I don't trust the writers to be able to make that work. I trust
them
with all the UST, they've shown time and again that they can make that
work.
But where do they go when it's all resolved? Do they move in together and
get cuddly? Split up? Forget it ever happened? And are these issues we want
to see worked through in the middle of their work? I'm not sure I do. Once
it's
done it's over, there's nothing to work to anymore - where does the show go
then? I watch the thing for M&S and I love the slow burn. I'm not sure I
want
the explosion.
> > Oubliette - Scully at her most unsympathetic with no reason
whatsoever,
>
> Yeah, and that weak attempt at PCR was a disaster! I didn't like this ep
> actually.
>
CPR? <g> I did like the episode a lot. It creeped me out, and the woman
playing Lucy Householder was fantastic and really brought the best out of
DD, that's one of his strongest performances in that episode IMHO. The
writing for Scully was poor however and that took the shine off. That and
the very very bad advert for how to perform CPR.
> > Revelations - Mulder the same
> > with only his faith as a reason and that was a pretty weak one
>
> I thought it was a good reason to oppose them, faith tends to trigger
strong
> feelings in people.
The writing for Mulder was still purposefully out of character just to
place him
in conflict with Scully - same dynamic as Oubliette only reversed.
> > Ditch!City in Nisei, 731, Scully drags the boy's ass out of trouble yet
> > again when he gets it into his head that it'd be fun to play James
Bond.
>
> Loved those eps though, bloody good plot. And Mulder as an insensitive
bastard
> " But you're OK aren't you Scully?" worked for me. I never cared much for
Goody
> Mulder.
I can live without Ditching!Mulder personally. The eps were very good but
as a
staunch M&Sist I didn't particularly like the work on their characters in
them.
> > Then there are the eps where nothing really was too offensive about the
M&S
> > writing but there was nowt special either;
>
> You mean no ship? <G>
No nothing as partners really. I like seeing them working out the same room
as *partners* not necessarily all the touchy feely stuff although I love
that as
well, I just don't like Mulder as action hero, Scully as stuck at home
chick.
> > The Walk,
>
> Yawn.
Some nice moments. Nothing special but actually one of Shibans better
efforts.
> > The List,
>
> Re- yawn. Apart for the " I only get five?" line.
Love that scene and the direction as well, lots of green, sweaty atmosphere
works for me but somewhere the plot got sadly lost.
> > 2Shy,
>
> Loved this one, mostly because we've got another insight at what it means
for
> Scully to be in the "Boys Club", her icy stare and clipped answers to the
> detective in the autopsy bay made me wave my fist in a "you go girl"
motion!Oh,
> that and the "Karen Kossef" woman has a hard time. Well done, can't stand
her
> whiny voice when she plays the shrink, when Scully goes to see her, (
Elegy ?)
> her" And you kept working?" with that look of pity complete with
trembling
> chin, made me want to throttle the woman. Don't know why, she just gets
on my
> nerves that one.
I don't like her at all either but was she in that ep? I remember a couple
of
retreads as the women victims - one of them was from Roland and the other
was the "come on in the backdoors always open" woman from Irresistible...
2Shy was ok but with Scully it was a little too reminiscent of her Hell
Money
parting shot to the prisoner at the end. Very good scene with the blind
girl
though.
> > > Anyway... to answer your question, yes, I do think they are really
dense,
> > and that they should have shagged like bunnies ages ago.
> >
> > woah, dude! Do you realise you just said that on a public forum?
>
> Er...what's wrong with "bunnies" ?
Nothing at all, it was the "shagged like" preceeding it that caused raised
eyebrows the country over <g>
> > no problems at all with Sunshine and Buddy - they have some fabulous
> > fic smut together <g>
>
> <ever widening grin> Oh yes!
Hoo boy <vbg> Personal favourites? You ever read In Case of Emergency?
> > Mulder and Ratboy I just don't see...
>
> <whistles> Cat ! There's a job for you!
I've read em, they just leave me cold but then I don't particularly like
Krycek as a character.
> > Mulder and Buddy, now that's another
> > matter altogether <snicker>
>
> Skinner did say he should come to Mulder's office more often, or was it
"in"?
> (Yeah, yeah , I know, Bloopers don't count)
<LOL> You been watching that "ass licked" scene haven't you... or was
it the rutting backwards over the desk scene?!
> > <vbg> Looking forward to it. But you're mistaken, there's no way in
hell
> > this is a respectable newsgroup.
>
> Oh really ? Well I'm afraid I must leave then...--
Oh Michele it took you so long to realise this, you might as
well stay!
ADBB,
Caroline.
JLB
Apologies if it's terribly bad nettiquette to join in what's beginning
to look like a private conversation ... but hey!, it's probably a long
time since you had the chance to flame a newbie ...<g>
In article called Acronyms and Other Jargon (REPOST) on Sun, 18 Oct
1998, Caroline Smith writes
>Michele <michele...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote in article
>> Caroline Smith wrote:
>
>> > Then along he came three, four years later and told her everything in
>a
>> > corridor right before a bee got in on the act. "You make me a whole
>> >person" I think that was what he was thinking
>> > in One Breath and he was too damn shy still to say it to her then.
>>
>> Well, that's where I disagree, I don't think he thought of her in that
>way that
>> early.Besides, I don't think Mulder is that shy.
>>
>I think that little shuffle in and out of the room in One Breath pits
>Mulder
>as shy. That's just always been my spin on that scene, he's absolutely
>beside himself with joy but he just doesn't know how to work it, hence
>the video, the tentative entrance and attemped hasty exit, it's Scully who
>brings him to give her her cross back in the end. And it all amounts to a
>rather wonderful little scene.
To me, Mulder has always seemed shy of showing his feelings for Scully
whenever her family is around; it's as if he feels awkward in that kind
of situation, an intruder acknowledging that her family has prior claim.
I think the scene in One Breath indicates this - someone who had spent
the last two or three months searching fruitlessly and slowly losing his
mind with loneliness and guilt/grief over her disappearance, would
surely otherwise spend as long as he could with her to reassure himself
that she was OK and just to be with her. It's there again in
Redux/Redux II - despite being in the middle of a fairly intense talk
with Scully, he clears out of the way as soon as her family come into
the hospital room.
At other times, he seems (like most of us) to find it difficult to
express emotions that may lead to ridicule or embarassment. So only
when really forced to do so, when he feels there is nothing left to lose
will he tell Scully how much she means to him in the HS.
<Sam snip>
>
[back to the MSR]
I think that for reasons of character credibility if nothing else, M&S
should get it together. The tease can't go on forever or it becomes
meaningless. They're both thirtysomethings, attractive, unattached, no
apparent lives away from each other and work, and with the most
incredible chemistry between them. I've never met a situation where
people with this kind of closeness wouldn't have been doing the wild
thing long ago - hell, even going away on a business trip together is
enough for some people!
Just how much would them having sex really jeopardise the show? - after
all, the show is now in its final seasons, only 2 to go at the most. CC
has admitted they're running out of ideas. MHO is that it's time to be
brave and give them a sex scene to remember (preferably the sort that
can only be released in full on video - I'll buy the uncut version!),
and thereafter to deal with the moved-on relationship in the same way
that the UST is dealt with now - light touches mostly, lots of angst,
and only in context of the story. To leave it to the last episode would
be too cliche and a cop-out, an easy way to get out of trying to deal
with it. I'd hate a rosy-glow sunset ending to a show which has always
been so full of darkness.
What would really kill the show would be to make the MSR RST the main
focus of episodes, soap-style, instead of the deeply-woven emotional
thread which underlies and binds it all. Sappiness too would be fatal -
no cosy domesticity please! But I don't believe it would be over and
done with nothing to work to - I think it would up the ante even more.
My only doubts, as Caroline said, are that the writers may not be up to
the job of making it work; way back in seasons 2 & 3 I would have said
they were, but now I wonder. But still I think the risk should be
taken.
>
>> > Oubliette - Scully at her most unsympathetic with no reason
>whatsoever,
>>
>> Yeah, and that weak attempt at PCR was a disaster! I didn't like this ep
>> actually.
>>
>CPR? <g> I did like the episode a lot. It creeped me out, and the woman
>playing Lucy Householder was fantastic and really brought the best out of
>DD, that's one of his strongest performances in that episode IMHO. The
>writing for Scully was poor however and that took the shine off. That and
>the very very bad advert for how to perform CPR.
So many things about this ep just didn't ring true for me: the
implausible excuse for M&S getting involved in the first place, the CPR,
and Mulder becoming so distraught at the end - the weeping was just too
much.
>
>> > Revelations - Mulder the same
>> > with only his faith as a reason and that was a pretty weak one
>>
>> I thought it was a good reason to oppose them, faith tends to trigger
>strong
>> feelings in people.
>
>The writing for Mulder was still purposefully out of character just to
>place him
>in conflict with Scully - same dynamic as Oubliette only reversed.
I can understand a Mulder who may be scared by faith - organised
religions scare the hell out of me, too.
>
>> > Ditch!City in Nisei, 731, Scully drags the boy's ass out of trouble yet
>> > again when he gets it into his head that it'd be fun to play James
>Bond.
>>
>> Loved those eps though, bloody good plot. And Mulder as an insensitive
>bastard
>> " But you're OK aren't you Scully?" worked for me. I never cared much for
>Goody
>> Mulder.
>
>I can live without Ditching!Mulder personally. The eps were very good but
>as a
>staunch M&Sist I didn't particularly like the work on their characters in
>them.
>
>> > Then there are the eps where nothing really was too offensive about the
>M&S
>> > writing but there was nowt special either;
>>
>> You mean no ship? <G>
>
>No nothing as partners really. I like seeing them working out the same room
>as *partners* not necessarily all the touchy feely stuff although I love
>that as
>well, I just don't like Mulder as action hero, Scully as stuck at home
>chick.
Action!Mulder has always seemed out of character to me - it just doesn't
seem to fit a man who trained as a psychologist, and who generally
prefers to apply cerebral more than physical effort in solving cases.
One of the things I've loved about Mulder is that he is *not* the
typical two-dimensional TV action hero, so when I see him trying to do
the James Bond stuff, I really have to fight my dislike of the change in
characterisation.
I've never understood why Scully takes so much ditching from Mulder
without getting screamingly angry at him - takes the saintliness of her
character to extremes, I think, and makes her seem a bit doormat-ish at
times.
>
>> > The Walk,
>>
>> Yawn.
>
>Some nice moments. Nothing special but actually one of Shibans better
>efforts.
His only *good* one, that I can think of.
--
Jan, de-lurking newbie
Cat
>Caroline Smith writes:
>>Michele wrote:
>>> Caroline Smith wrote:
>Apologies if it's terribly bad nettiquette to join in what's
>beginning to look like a private conversation ... but hey!, it's
>probably a long time since you had the chance to flame a newbie
>...<g>
Wahey, let's have a bonfire, I'm chilly. But...if it were a
private conversation it would be conducted via email. Possibly
with "delete this after reading it" tacked onto it.
<One Breath>
>To me, Mulder has always seemed shy of showing his feelings for
>Scully whenever her family is around; it's as if he feels
>awkward in that kind of situation, an intruder acknowledging
>that her family has prior claim. I think the scene in One Breath
>indicates this - someone who had spent the last two or three
>months searching fruitlessly and slowly losing his mind with
>loneliness and guilt/grief over her disappearance, would surely
>otherwise spend as long as he could with her to reassure himself
>that she was OK and just to be with her. It's there again in
>Redux/Redux II - despite being in the middle of a fairly intense
>talk with Scully, he clears out of the way as soon as her family
>come into the hospital room.
I think you're right, he sees himself as an intruder in her
family, one who doesn't belong in their charmed circle - and
especially in Redux II when he has to deal with the family's
blaming him for Scully's being in hospital at all. It's probably
also the case that coming from a cold dysfunctional family he
feels ill at ease dealing with Scully's much closer family; he's
not that good with people at the best of times, and happy
families is an unfamiliar game to him.
>At other times, he seems (like most of us) to find it difficult
>to express emotions that may lead to ridicule or embarassment.
>So only when really forced to do so, when he feels there is
>nothing left to lose will he tell Scully how much she means to
>him in the HS.
Here's hoping he'll be *forced* by circumstances to tell her
again in the bee-free environment of season 6.
>I think that for reasons of character credibility if nothing
>else, M&S should get it together. The tease can't go on forever
>or it becomes meaningless.
Hey, someone who agrees with me! :-)
>They're both thirtysomethings, attractive, unattached, no
>apparent lives away from each other and work, and with the most
>incredible chemistry between them. I've never met a situation
>where people with this kind of closeness wouldn't have been
>doing the wild thing long ago - hell, even going away on a
>business trip together is enough for some people!
Well you don't know what happened off camera in Detour, when
Mulder got back to the Partay and they built a tower of furniture
<g>.
>Just how much would them having sex really jeopardise the
>show? - after all, the show is now in its final seasons, only 2
>to go at the most. CC has admitted they're running out of
>ideas. MHO is that it's time to be brave and give them a sex
>scene to remember (preferably the sort that can only be
>released in full on video - I'll buy the uncut version!),
The world would buy the uncut version.
>and thereafter to deal with the moved-on relationship in the
>same way that the UST is dealt with now - light touches mostly,
>lots of angst, and only in context of the story. To leave it to
>the last episode would be too cliche and a cop-out, an easy way
>to get out of trying to deal with it. I'd hate a rosy-glow
>sunset ending to a show which has always been so full of
>darkness.
I'd like to see 1013 try to deal with it too; as you say, the
character credibility is being stretched to its limits now and
sometimes it seems mere cowardice or perhaps immaturity on CC's
part to insist on keeping the MSR platonic, though logically I'd
have to concede that it's probably merely smart manipulation to
ensure high viewing figures; it might annoy me but it keeps the
most people watching.
>What would really kill the show would be to make the MSR RST the
>main focus of episodes, soap-style, instead of the deeply-woven
>emotional thread which underlies and binds it all. Sappiness
>too would be fatal - no cosy domesticity please!
Yeah, but as you say, that needn't happen. Making M&S into
"consummated professionals" needn't make them any less
professional and it needn't interfere with the plotlines; it
would just make their characters more human, more believeable.
>But I don't believe it would be over and
>done with nothing to work to - I think it would up the ante even
>more. My only doubts, as Caroline said, are that the writers may
>not be up to the job of making it work; way back in seasons 2 &
>3 I would have said they were, but now I wonder. But still I
>think the risk should be taken.
What in the last couple of seasons has made you think 1013 might
not be up to the challenge? Not that I disagree, I'm just
wondering.
>>> > Revelations
>I can understand a Mulder who may be scared by faith - organised
>religions scare the hell out of me, too.
I can understand his attitude to religion, very easily, but find
it hard to accept his attitude to Scully in these episodes when
he suddenly seems to have no respect for her even as an
investigator.
>Action!Mulder has always seemed out of character to me - it just
>doesn't seem to fit a man who trained as a psychologist, and who
>generally prefers to apply cerebral more than physical effort in
>solving cases. One of the things I've loved about Mulder is that
>he is *not* the typical two-dimensional TV action hero, so when
>I see him trying to do the James Bond stuff, I really have to
>fight my dislike of the change in characterisation.
It amuses me because he's so bad at it - ike when he slaps that
guy's face in "Emily" - that's supposed to *scare* the guy? My
five-year-old cousin can hit a lot harder than that...
>I've never understood why Scully takes so much ditching from
>Mulder without getting screamingly angry at him - takes the
>saintliness of her character to extremes, I think, and makes her
>seem a bit doormat-ish at times.
Yeah, it seems to take fanfiction to make Scully stand up and
give Mulder what's coming to him. In whichever sense.
Michele
Lian wrote:
Michele wrote:
>well... Scully *is* The Quest now.
Why Michele..what a romantic thing to say. <g>
<grunts>Must be that last fanfic I read, rubbing on me, it'll pass.
[It's a dirty job...]
>> Yeah yeah..we know..."...but someones gotta watch M&S do it."
><holding night vision goggles> Ooooh Booooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
<sees initials on night vision goggles> OI! Those are mine those are!!!
< Elbowing Lian> Not any more, didn't you know that all French are thiefs?
><LOL> Consummated he? Yeah I agree.
As do I...but Michele I'm soooo confused!! <snicker> You're saying that they
are attracted to each other..and if it wasn't the show they'd be consummated
and if they'd any sense they'd be shaggin' like bunnies!! But *then* you say
they *don't* love each other in that sense...ooh...my head. <g>
OK, this calls for a summary:
a) I think they've always been attracted by each other.
b) I think they both acknowledged it, but never acted upon it, and never stopped
to question the nature of their feelings
towards one another. They loved each other, period. But there was no wish to
pursue a romantic relationship, namely,
despite all their closeness and emotional dependence, they were not *in love*
(when you love someone so much that you
want to share everything with that person and that includes a need for physical
closeness, a merging of sorts <winks to
Cat, that's only *my* definiton matey!>)
c) Then during the movie, they bared their souls to one another ( well...he did,
and she realised how important she was to
him.) and fell in love in that hallway.
d) Now, what bugs me, is that I can't see any logical reason for them not to
take the next step towards physical union,
within this particular represented world. It's not gonna happen, but I fear that
what used to be the most breathtaking
dynamic I've ever witnessed in a TV show, is going to lose it's crediblity, just
because CC decided to use the romantic
angle to attract viewers.
Any questions?
Heh...sorry 'bout that. My fault. Mills & Boon, English equivalent to the
American Harlequin novels. Those short cheap *romance* novels with the
covers featuring Manly Men with hairless chests and Womanly Women with ample
chests and no waists to speak of.
I see! Thanks. "Rose-water novels" we call them in France
Generally written from the female point
of view and full of breathless (gag making) longing and the girl going for
the wrong guy a) to string things out and b) so they can get in some torrid
flesh filled moments.
Sounds a lot like some fanfic...<g>
Generally read by middle aged women on their hols. I
of course have never read one...
Of course...<g>
and anyone who intimates otherwise will
kindly meet me out back for some serious arse kicking, unless of course
you're into that kind of thing, whereupon I'll simply knock you out, tie you
up,
Caroline will love this...<HG>
bring you round and force you to listen to the collected Works of The
Spice Girls and the Songs from Ally McBeal album, I thank you.
< Horrified stare>You wouldn't be that cruel Lian? Would you?
>Yeah, Hormones and steak don't go well together...er...sorry...<hangs head>
<points> Go stand in the corner young lady..and don't come back till you've
got 3 smutty puns....
<shuffles sulkily> That's a blow to my ego...and it doesn't make it smile...
>You mean that thing which makes Jules get this faraway look sometimes?
I thought that was constipation? <takes evasive manouvers in case Julie's
within earshot>
<LOL> Oooh!!! Hope you're ready to board a plane Lian, she'll never forgive you
for disclosing information on her
bowel movements.
[closed doors]
><Michele grabs spare keys> Yeah, right...
Nooo! No keys needed! What I mean is we get to see the good stuff...it just
finishes *after* the good stuff. That way it *can't* go downhill.
Oh, right. <drops keys>
Really? Wow...so you'd go for the romance if it was only instigated at the
end then?
<shrugs> why not? I've got nothing against romance.The only thing is that you
won't convince me that the last five years
between M&S were romantic.
Well that wasn't me...that bit was Caroline.
Oops sorry, this thread is getting really hard to follow, ya know?
from your last comment I'm getting
that you think : "They didn't love each other in any other way other than
platonically...till *now*...i.e the movie." Yes, No?
YES.
This reply indicates that it being directly addressed at some time is
acceptable to you. <bg> Oh and by the way...that's *directly* addressed...I
believe the bet is such that if the hallway scene comes up even in passing
you can kiss those locks g'bye!
<Grunts> I know, I know...
>> It would be another indicator
>> that he believed that everything has something to do with him.
>Well, the boy *is* a bit self centered isn't he?
Yes. Yes he is. Something I've commented on many a time. And something
which bugs the hell out of me...even as recently as Folie a Deux.
Well, you see if he was so much in *lurve* with his partner, he would be more
attuned to her feelings, and would not have
her perform an autopsy against her will, would he? Or am I idealising True Love
?Anyway, it pisses me off too, but I love
to hate him <G>.
[Mulder's reaction to S]
Sounds like concern to me... :) Trying to prevent something rather than
apologising after the fact.
Don't think you can really be guilty till after an event, or till after
you've thought of doing something which would make you feel guilty, which in
and of itself is an event.
Uh? < gaping stupidly at sentence> But wouldn't he be guilty, because of what
already happened?
>Relief? <G>
That's part of it, yeah. Joy too, but relief is a big part of it...it's
relief borne out of getting her back. BIG relief...the more you care, the
bigger the relief. And this was BIG. <g>
<HDS>Weeeelll, *that's* a well known fanfic fact...
>Thank you doctor, I feel much better now,<G>
Wait'll you see my bill. :)
EEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
Guess you have to
kind of look at it from a the viewpoint of the more uptight non
demonstrative sorts from here and the U.S. :)
Maybe. I'll try.
Whatever you think about The Rift...or about the rather silly plot (but to
be honest is the idea that a convocation of stars/planets could affect
behaviour any sillier than killer cockroaches from another planet?)...
Or plastic teethed vampires...
[Syzygy]
It's a sorely under rated
episode in my opinion. I firmly believe it suffered from where it came in
the run of episodes that season.
True! Mulder sniffing Scully was a classic! I just loved the amazing range of
patented Scully "Looks" that Anderson used
in that one. Jealousy, contempt, anger, hurt (she did look really hurt at the
"little feet" comment, or was it just me
emphasizing a little too much?) And distracted!Mulder was perfect.
>I have a headache, pass me the Demerol....<something lands sharply on
Michele's desk>...thanks Fiona !
Err...Michele? That's a knife....
<muffled voice coming from under the desk> I just realised that, thank you.
<lower heads again as a battle-axe spins and
crashes on the blackboard.> Fiona, *that* was uncalled for...
Can you make a definitive statement on where you stand vis-a-vis..."Mulder &
Scully, love, romance and sexual attraction both in the past and now, and
what you would and would not like to see on the show in the future in regard
to said subjects."
I guess that's what I did earlier, I think there always was a sexual attraction,
acknowledged but not acted upon. I also
think they were not in love before the movie since sex is not the *only* element
in the "falling in love" process <winks at
Cat>, now I think they are in love, and I have nothing against consummation in
theory. The only thing bothering me is: can
you believably keep physically apart two people *in* love.Now, I don't know what
I want, or rather, I do know what I
don't want. I don't want CC to mess things up, I don't want to watch the Show's
UST become more and more ridiculous
and farfetched, and wake up one day thinking: "it doesn't work for me anymore".
I *knew* you misunderstood that!! I knew it!!!
That was just a metaphor...<hammers on the door> a metaphor!! Let me IN!!!
<muffled voice coming from behind door> Bugger off McGuire, it's an oak
metaphor!
Noooo!! No Frohike..not now..not ever!!!
And no Byers either...but that's just cause I think he's cuddly..and cuddly
folk don't do that kind of think it'd ruin my fantasy. :)
So, you have a fantasy with Byers, Uhm? Do tell us.<wicked grin>
>No she's the Kate Adie of woussies.
What all dressed in Khaki and constantly getting herself into dangerous
situations?
Ooh...come to think of it.....<bg>
And tending to piss people off, yeah that's her all right. I can't remember
which Middle East government once called
Downing Street to beg them to get rid of her ! (Kate Adie, not Caroline ;-))
>Secondary whispers? You mean the one about sausages? Don't ask *me*, ask
>Cat.
Oh no!! You're not getting away that easy...what about the sausages!!!!
I was talking about possible declarations of a very personal kind...but
sausages sound interesting too... :)
Well Cat said that Scully said "Sausages" instead of "saw it".And what were
those possible declarations of a very personal
kind ?
>> ["Right behind you" musings]
>Well...er...aren't we in a public forum ???
<looks around> Yup...appears so. Is this a problem? <g>
Don't ask me. < Waves at lurkers > you don't mind smut do you?
>> [skinner]
That's where that whole guilt thing would come into it. Sense of partial
responsibility for her situation.
Uhm, even so. I think he's got a baaad crush.
[A call for Woussies]
<gimlet eyed stare><answers through Eastwood like gritted teeth> S'funny...
sounded like you...definite French accent.
I'm not the only French around you know...< looks anywhere but at Lian's
impressive Eastwood's
impersonation>Er...want a cookie?
[Taking ove the World]
Well you got one baybee...Caroline makes Scully look like a World Champion
Con Woman, such is her lack of Lying ability. <g>
Oh dear, is it *that* bad?
Don't be downhearted, she's got the Drive...just not the sneakyness. Teach
her well...<g>
Well, I'd better start by learning the topics myself then...
Caroline Smith
> JLB wrote:
> >>Michele wrote:
>
> >Apologies if it's terribly bad nettiquette to join in what's
> >beginning to look like a private conversation ... but hey!, it's
> >probably a long time since you had the chance to flame a newbie
> >...<g>
>
> Wahey, let's have a bonfire, I'm chilly. But...if it were a
> private conversation it would be conducted via email. Possibly
> with "delete this after reading it" tacked onto it.
>
had in mind. Even in the depths of a months long, two peopled thread
someone would chirp in and reveal they'd been reading all along. More
the merrier's what I always say.
Apologies if this post makes even less sense than usual btw, I'm singing
at the same time and I'm in that "still learning the words" phase which
makes it tricky if not a little dangerous...
> <One Breath>
> >To me, Mulder has always seemed shy of showing his feelings for
> >Scully whenever her family is around; it's as if he feels
> >awkward in that kind of situation, an intruder acknowledging
> >that her family has prior claim.
>
> I think you're right, he sees himself as an intruder in her
> family, one who doesn't belong in their charmed circle - and
> especially in Redux II when he has to deal with the family's
> blaming him for Scully's being in hospital at all. It's probably
> also the case that coming from a cold dysfunctional family he
> feels ill at ease dealing with Scully's much closer family; he's
> not that good with people at the best of times, and happy
> families is an unfamiliar game to him.
>
Too right and then there was that little issue of Bill Mulder's
first big chest to chest, "hey let her die with dignity it's all
your fault you shit" exchange. That's always going to make
someone feel uneasy and unwelcome. The family dynamics
are there throughout in Redux II, that to chip or not to chip
scene is a goodie, all four of them pegged at different
angles with Scully as mediator in the bed. Mrs Scully does
love him though. Like he was her own child.
Or is that just in fic? I get so confused.
> >So only when really forced to do so, when he feels there is
> >nothing left to lose will he tell Scully how much she means to
> >him in the HS.
>
> Here's hoping he'll be *forced* by circumstances to tell her
> again in the bee-free environment of season 6.
Michele. Hats. What colours do you like?
> >I think that for reasons of character credibility if nothing
> >else, M&S should get it together. The tease can't go on forever
> >or it becomes meaningless.
>
> Hey, someone who agrees with me! :-)
Oh I dunno. I like the tease personally. Nowt like five years of foreplay.
Hmmm. Actually, five years of foreplay... maybe there should
be a statute of limitations on this kind of thing. Give it another year and
then let them go for the big un. I just want to see them have a big
full on, lips, tongues and all gorgeous hot (wet) kiss.
Hmm, ok, I'll be leaving that one there for anyone else to finish off
<snicker>
> > I've never met a situation
> >where people with this kind of closeness wouldn't have been
> >doing the wild thing long ago - hell, even going away on a
> >business trip together is enough for some people!
>
> Well you don't know what happened off camera in Detour, when
> Mulder got back to the Partay and they built a tower of furniture
> <g>.
>
They fell off the top and Scully broke her ankle. That's why PMP
is in black and white, see? Nothing to do with homages and stuff,
it was to hide the plaster cast.
As for normal people, I think we've established M&S are not normal
people. they like their work too much for a start, it's all encompassing.
Most people are only to happy to leave it all behind at the end of the
day or the weekend but these two, they just have nothing else besides.
Now that's not normal.
> > MHO is that it's time to be brave and give them a sex
> >scene to remember (preferably the sort that can only be
> >released in full on video - I'll buy the uncut version!),
>
> The world would buy the uncut version.
I would buy two in case one wore out. Or maybe three depending
on whether there was a special edition.
> >To leave it to
> >the last episode would be too cliche and a cop-out, an easy way
> >to get out of trying to deal with it. I'd hate a rosy-glow
> >sunset ending to a show which has always been so full of
> >darkness.
>
> I'd like to see 1013 try to deal with it too; as you say, the
> character credibility is being stretched to its limits now and
> sometimes it seems mere cowardice or perhaps immaturity on CC's
> part to insist on keeping the MSR platonic, though logically I'd
> have to concede that it's probably merely smart manipulation to
> ensure high viewing figures; it might annoy me but it keeps the
> most people watching.
>
Then there might be a day when something else comes along and
the UST on that something is even fresher and everyone leaves
cos they were pissed off M&S never really moved on. I think it's the
safe option to say "leave it to the end" I always do, but I really have
never thought it out. I think my main fear is the way the show could
go, too domestic - but the characters are always pretty prominently
placed within the episodes anyways. Having them involved as well
as partners could be fun to try and watch them figure out aside
from the fact that they'd be kicked out of the Fibbies as soon as it
happened...
> >What would really kill the show would be to make the MSR RST the
> >main focus of episodes, soap-style, instead of the deeply-woven
> >emotional thread which underlies and binds it all. Sappiness
> >too would be fatal - no cosy domesticity please!
>
> Yeah, but as you say, that needn't happen. Making M&S into
> "consummated professionals" needn't make them any less
> professional and it needn't interfere with the plotlines; it
> would just make their characters more human, more believeable.
I love that phrase, Consummated professionals. All hail Madeleine :-)
thing is though, five years on and they still haven't taken the step of
making Scully a believer, it's not looking good for any sexual
gymnastics any time soon.
> >But I don't believe it would be over and
> >done with nothing to work to - I think it would up the ante even
> >more. My only doubts, as Caroline said, are that the writers may
> >not be up to the job of making it work; way back in seasons 2 &
> >3 I would have said they were, but now I wonder. But still I
> >think the risk should be taken.
>
> What in the last couple of seasons has made you think 1013 might
> not be up to the challenge? Not that I disagree, I'm just
> wondering.
Episodes like Emily after episodes like Memento Mori. Same writing
team more or less but such different results. The fact that perhaps
CC and Gilligan have the best ability to write M&S, what happens
when the likes of Shiban take a hold - somewhere out there shite slips
through the net which is why Shiban is still being allowed to write. I
think if one or two people brainstormed the entire thing from start to
stop and knew where it was heading it'd be fine, consistent and it'd
keep moving forward but on this show the continuity is terrible, we'd
be more likely to see M&S going at it in one ep and not mentioning
it in another. Take the cancer arc, it was there in the myth eps and the
season ending eps, other than that it was Golems and Vietnam vets oh
my. I don't really want to see that happen to this arc and it would be
an arc, it'd need to be a continuously developing storyline because
everything would change between them and for their careers.
(I really don't know the words to this song so that might have made
sense <bg>)
> >>> > Revelations
> >I can understand a Mulder who may be scared by faith - organised
> >religions scare the hell out of me, too.
>
> I can understand his attitude to religion, very easily, but find
> it hard to accept his attitude to Scully in these episodes when
> he suddenly seems to have no respect for her even as an
> investigator.
exactly. I can live with him having no respect for religion whatsoever
but he also loses all respect for Scully as a person, partner, doctor,
you name it. His opinions aren't out of character but his actions
towards her are.
> >One of the things I've loved about Mulder is that
> >he is *not* the typical two-dimensional TV action hero, so when
> >I see him trying to do the James Bond stuff, I really have to
> >fight my dislike of the change in characterisation.
>
> It amuses me because he's so bad at it - ike when he slaps that
> guy's face in "Emily" - that's supposed to *scare* the guy? My
> five-year-old cousin can hit a lot harder than that...
The great old bitch slapping scene so beloved of old and young alike.
that's such a bad bad piece of everything. I've only ever been able
to watch it once. The times they have made him two dimensional
they've been slammed for it, for me he was too James Bondy in
Tunguska, tormenting Krycek just for the hell of it - might have been
funny once but it's all a little gratuitous and not the Mulder I give
a damn about. I do like him doing the cable car bit in Ascension and
walking on top of the train in 731 but only because you can see
him doing that stuff as Mulder. other than that he always gets his ass
(l)kicked <g> which is just so much more human somehow. Although
if we were going for equality then Scully would probably lose a lot
more fights as well...
> >I've never understood why Scully takes so much ditching from
> >Mulder without getting screamingly angry at him - takes the
> >saintliness of her character to extremes, I think, and makes her
> >seem a bit doormat-ish at times.
>
> Yeah, it seems to take fanfiction to make Scully stand up and
> give Mulder what's coming to him. In whichever sense.
>
Yup yup and yup.
Never Again. Nice try lads but not *quite* good enough.
Get ahold of Missy Pennington, she can make Scully kick
Mulder's ass any day for me.
ADBB,
Caroline.
Lian
>Lian wrote:
> Michele wrote:
[The Quest]
> >well... Scully *is* The Quest now.
> Why Michele..what a romantic thing to say. <g>
><grunts>Must be that last fanfic I read, rubbing on me, it'll pass.
Nuh-uh...sure sign it's beginning to seep into your bloodstream, you're
infected girl. And it's terminal. <snicker>
> [It's a dirty job...]
>>> Yeah yeah..we know..."...but someones gotta watch M&S do it."
> ><holding night vision goggles> Ooooh Booooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
> <sees initials on night vision goggles> OI! Those are mine those are!!!
>< Elbowing Lian> Not any more, didn't you know that all French are thiefs?
Really?! But isn't that kind of conforming to a stereotype? I would never
*ever* put an entire people into a slot like that, I mean if anything the
French are all great lovers with tremendous charisma, a connoisseurs palate
for wine and cheese, who ride bikes, wear stripey shirts, berets and a
necklace of onions around their neck...the same way the Irish, all live in
little thatched cottages, spend all their days hanging over fences
commenting on the world as it goes by whilst never doing a tap of work if
they can help it, spending all their money on drink, quoting lyrical poetry
and getting into fights, all the while putting on the poor mouth at the same
time as outwitting (in a charming way) the foreigners who come to visit
their shores....See? Lots of slots there! <vbg> [snaffles the night vision
goggles back while Michele's reading openmouthed through all of that....heh
heh!!]
[What DOES she think?!]
> ...but Michele I'm soooo confused!! <snicker> You're saying that they
> are attracted to each other..and if it wasn't the show they'd be
consummated
> and if they'd any sense they'd be shaggin' like bunnies!! But *then* you
say
> they *don't* love each other in that sense...ooh...my head. <g>
>OK, this calls for a summary:
Woo-HOO!! Okay folks settle back..this is a landmark moment in the history
of UX as we know it...please feel free to take copies for your children. :)
>a) I think they've always been attracted by each other.
>b) I think they both acknowledged it, but never acted upon it, and never
>stopped to question the nature of their feelings towards one another. They
loved >each other, period. But there was no wish to pursue a romantic
relationship, >namely, despite all their closeness and emotional dependence,
they were not *in >love* (when you love someone so much that you
>want to share everything with that person and that includes a need for
physical
>closeness, a merging of sorts <winks to Cat, that's only *my* definiton
matey!>)
Wow..I'd agree with just about all of that...with just 2 changes. The
change being I think they deliberately didn't look too closely at the nature
of their feelings for fear of *where* that would lead them. And again it is
(IMHO) not so much that there was no wish for a romantic relationship just
again, a head over heart view that it would be inadvisable.
>c) Then during the movie, they bared their souls to one another ( well...he
did,
>and she realised how important she was to
>him.) and fell in love in that hallway.
YES!! So they *are* in love...albeit as of summer '98!! See that's where I
kept getting confused...so they weren't but now they are.
>d) Now, what bugs me, is that I can't see any logical reason for them not
to
>take the next step towards physical union, within this particular
represented >world. It's not gonna happen, but I fear that
>what used to be the most breathtaking
>dynamic I've ever witnessed in a TV show, is going to lose it's crediblity,
just
>because CC decided to use the romantic
>angle to attract viewers.
I honestly wouldn't worry on that last score. That's the very thing
Caroline and I have been discussing in the Hey Woussies thread, and after
much soul searching and debate I think we've pretty much agreed (heh
heh..listen to that, you'd swear this ng makes all the decisions regarding
the show!!<g>) that CC and the writers know *exactly* what side their bread
is buttered on and that if they peak that romance too soon, they're going to
lose their viewers in droves...because as Caroline says, it hasn't happened
yet that characters who have previously thrived on UST survive once it's
become RST. And that's due to the writers...none of them have managed to
write it well...and there's no indication that 1013 gang would be any
different. I'd be curious to see if they could...but on the other hand the
thought of what a disaster it could be makes me quite happy to accept that
they finish it immediately after resolving the relationship issue. I think
they know that so all we'll get is the relationship shoved up a notch and a
bit more out towards the spotlight
As to the logical reason for them not to move forward in the relationship,
that is actually a good question. I would imagine that they remain pretty
much the same..err..that is *if* you were like most shippers who believe
they were in love prior to the movie. Those excuses being, that embarking on
a relationship per se, which would require physical commitments and all that
brings with it, is just not advisable in the constant life and death
situations they are in, and would in fact be a distraction. There's also
the whole thing about the characters...well...character really. Neither of
them are exactly what you'd call experts at relationships are they? And
neither of them are terribly open, demonstrative people who find their
feelings easy to talk about. So they've got their *own* personality
obstacles to overcome before they can get to that point, if you get my
drift.
>Any questions?
Ooh Miss! Miss!! <waves hand madly>
Yeah I've got one...the perrenial one with regards to M&S, do *you* think
they should get together at the end of the show or films whichever *is* the
actual end?
[Mills and Boon]
> Heh...sorry 'bout that. My fault. Mills & Boon, English equivalent to
the
> American Harlequin novels. Those short cheap *romance* novels with the
> covers featuring Manly Men with hairless chests and Womanly Women with
>ample chests and no waists to speak of.
>I see! Thanks. "Rose-water novels" we call them in France
Rose-water novels? <g> I like that....conjures up images of little old
ladies reliving past romances. Much nicer.
>> Generally written from the female point
>> of view and full of breathless (gag making) longing and the girl going
for
>> the wrong guy a) to string things out and b) so they can get in some
torrid
>> flesh filled moments.
>Sounds a lot like some fanfic...<g>
Except in 99.9% of the time the fanfic's better written and more believable,
even if you would dislocate several limbs trying to do what they get up to.
:)
>> Generally read by middle aged women on their hols. I
>> of course have never read one...
>Of course...<g>
Watch it..... ;)
>> and anyone who intimates otherwise will
>> kindly meet me out back for some serious arse kicking, unless of course
>> you're into that kind of thing, whereupon I'll simply knock you out, tie
you
>> up,
>Caroline will love this...<HG>
I know...hence the following! <g>
>> bring you round and force you to listen to the collected Works of The
>> Spice Girls and the Songs from Ally McBeal album, I thank you.
>< Horrified stare>You wouldn't be that cruel Lian? Would you?
<examines nails, buffs them against shirt casually> We're talking full
Caroline defence mode here...what do you think? <g>
[OooAGH that hurt!]
>> >Yeah, Hormones and steak don't go well together...er...sorry...<hangs
head>
>> <points> Go stand in the corner young lady..and don't come back till
you've
>> got 3 smutty puns....
><shuffles sulkily> That's a blow to my ego...and it doesn't make it
smile...
I can't believe you're listening to me..considering some of the howlers I've
let rip with! <snickers and scarpers!>
[Lurve]
>> >You mean that thing which makes Jules get this faraway look sometimes?
>> I thought that was constipation? <takes evasive manouvers in case
Julie's
>> within earshot>
><LOL> Oooh!!! Hope you're ready to board a plane Lian, she'll never forgive
>you for disclosing information on her bowel movements.
<vbg> I am hoping to board a plane as it happens...only problem is it'll
probably bring me face to face with her....<notes to self> Better bring the
Kevlar shirt as well as the suit of armour to UX.
> [closed doors]
>> ><Michele grabs spare keys> Yeah, right...
>> Nooo! No keys needed! What I mean is we get to see the good stuff...it
just
>> finishes *after* the good stuff. That way it *can't* go downhill.
>Oh, right. <drops keys>
Phew <snaffles keys quickly>
> Really? Wow...so you'd go for the romance if it was only instigated at
the
> end then?
><shrugs> why not? I've got nothing against romance.The only thing is that
you
>won't convince me that the last five years between M&S were romantic.
I won't even try..not after seeing the almight battles between you and Cat.
If she hasn't convinced you by now, I doubt anyone could, least of all me.
I guess it is all down to what you think is romantic and what isn't. Still,
I just couldn't imagine the last 5 years without that romantic element to
the story...I know it's a major part of what a lot us thrived on.
>> Well that wasn't me...that bit was Caroline.
>Oops sorry, this thread is getting really hard to follow, ya know?
Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot. <g>
>> from your last comment I'm getting
>> that you think : "They didn't love each other in any other way other
than
>> platonically...till *now*...i.e the movie." Yes, No?
>YES.
See? I was getting there! Very Verrrrrrrrry slowly...but I was! :)
>> This reply indicates that it being directly addressed at some time is
>> acceptable to you. <bg> Oh and by the way...that's *directly*
addressed...I
>> believe the bet is such that if the hallway scene comes up even in
passing
>> you can kiss those locks g'bye!
><Grunts> I know, I know...
Better not check out The Beginning spoilers at Haven today so.... <chuckle>
Did you indicate preference of colour of hat to Fiona at all?
[Smulder!]
>> >> It would be another indicator
>> >> that he believed that everything has something to do with him.
>> >Well, the boy *is* a bit self centered isn't he?
>> Yes. Yes he is. Something I've commented on many a time. And something
>> which bugs the hell out of me...even as recently as Folie a Deux.
>Well, you see if he was so much in *lurve* with his partner, he would be
more
>attuned to her feelings, and would not have her perform an autopsy against
her will, would he? Or am I idealising True Love ?
'Fraid so. Love isn't going to make a self centred person, not self
centred, just more likely to be less self centred on certain occasions. And
I think we all realise that Mulder is not exactly always the most sensitive
of souls..especially when it comes to the feelings of those nearest and
dearest to him.
>Anyway, it pisses me off too, but I love to hate him <G>.
Yeah..wouldn't be the same if we couldn't have a little moan about him...as
opposed to other related to Mulder moans. <hds>
>> ["Not going to let you die for some hollow personal cause of mine!"]
>> Sounds like concern to me... :) Trying to prevent something rather than
>> apologising after the fact.
>> Don't think you can really be guilty till after an event, or till after
>> you've thought of doing something which would make you feel guilty,
which in
>> and of itself is an event.
>Uh? < gaping stupidly at sentence> But wouldn't he be guilty, because of
what
>already happened?
Over the events in the movie? Maybe just a little, the same way any partner
would feel guilty if his or her other half got into trouble and he didn't
stop it, but for the most part it would've been concern I think he'd already
gotten his answer from her on her decision to remain with him, the moment
she walked into his arms in the hallway rather than away from him. So she
was there on her own terms from that moment, she's a big girl (so to speak)
she knew what she was doing, something she made clear in words at the end of
the film.
[Mulder's reaction in Redux II]
>>>Relief? <G>
> > That's part of it, yeah. Joy too, but relief is a big part of it...it's
>> relief borne out of getting her back. BIG relief...the more you care,
the
>> bigger the relief. And this was BIG. <g>
><HDS>Weeeelll, *that's* a well known fanfic fact...
<bg> Indeed it is....nothing like a bit of relief eh?
[The Doctor is In!]
>> >Thank you doctor, I feel much better now,<G>
>> Wait'll you see my bill. :)
>EEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
Now will that be cash or credit card? No cheques please. I have a 99 year
installment payment plan you might be interested in?
[All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>> Guess you have to kind of look at it from a the viewpoint of the more
uptight >>non demonstrative sorts from here and the U.S. :)
>Maybe. I'll try.
Go for it girl! Just close yourself off from humanity emotionally about
40-50% that ought to do it. <snigger>
[Syzygy]
>> Whatever you think about The Rift...or about the rather silly plot (but
to
>> be honest is the idea that a convocation of stars/planets could affect
>> behaviour any sillier than killer cockroaches from another planet?)...
>Or plastic teethed vampires...
Or Killer dollies, or Big Blue, or......
>> It's a sorely under rated
>> episode in my opinion. I firmly believe it suffered from where it came
in
>> the run of episodes that season.
>True! Mulder sniffing Scully was a classic! I just loved the amazing range
of
>patented Scully "Looks" that Anderson used
>in that one. Jealousy, contempt, anger, hurt (she did look really hurt at
the
>"little feet" comment, or was it just me emphasizing a little too much?)
A little I think...though she still seemed thoroughly pissed off after her
experiences in Mulder's room. And yes she did run the gamut of Scully looks
in that..I especially love her soto voce muttering in her room as she sucks
on her fag (err...moving right along) and goes on and on about Det. White
in a whiney voice. <g> And that almost disbelieving look of mild fury in the
hallway when Mulder follows her outside after the Sniffing incident and she
tells him he could do what the hell he wants she's outta there! Damn she's
good.
>And distracted!Mulder was perfect.
The sight of him swigging back the Vodka and as you say in general totally
distracted, his attention barely settling on something before moving on just
as rapidly, were just so out of character that I loved every minute. His
bemused reactions to Det. White's advances were one of those rare things in
Season 3, a Mulder Huggy moment. :)
[For pain relief....]
> >I have a headache, pass me the Demerol....<something lands sharply on
> Michele's desk>...thanks Fiona !
> Err...Michele? That's a knife....
><muffled voice coming from under the desk> I just realised that, thank you.
><lower heads again as a battle-axe spins and crashes on the blackboard.>
>Fiona, *that* was uncalled for...
You really oughten to have missed that hat fitting Michele..she's very proud
of her handiwork is Fiona. <looks closer> Fiona is that really a grenade
you have there?
[Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>I think there always was a sexual attraction,
>acknowledged but not acted upon. I also
>think they were not in love before the movie since sex is not the *only*
element
>in the "falling in love" process <winks at Cat>,
Why Michele! I didn't know you and Cat were an item! How long as this been
going on? <vbg>
>now I think they are in love, and I have nothing against consummation in
>theory. The only thing bothering me is: can
>you believably keep physically apart two people *in* love.
That's up to them really isn't it? Happens all the time in so called
*great* romances*, where duty and honour and general forbearance take precid
ent over what the individuals want...it's what adds that extra soupcon of
fizz to the proceedings.
>Now, I don't know what I want, or rather, I do know what I
>don't want. I don't want CC to mess things up, I don't want to watch the
Show's
>UST become more and more ridiculous
>and farfetched, and wake up one day thinking: "it doesn't work for me
>anymore".
I hear you girl. I think in that respect you are exactly the same as the
vast majority of all shippers that there are out there...and indeed just
plain ol' fans of the show whatever variety they may be. I think they have
to know when to quit, i.e while they're ahead. It's a fine line they're
walking...but to be fair I do think they have feelers out there for the fans
views more so than most shows...and I think if the fans start to get
restless, that the UST is getting stretched to breaking point they're going
to know it's time to pay the piper and either give the viewers what they
want and end the show on a high; don't and end it on a high but bum a *lot*
of people out OR drag the show into the depths of mediocrity.
[The Closed Door metaphor]
> I *knew* you misunderstood that!! I knew it!!!
> That was just a metaphor...<hammers on the door> a metaphor!! Let me
IN!!!
><muffled voice coming from behind door> Bugger off McGuire, it's an oak
>metaphor!
Fine!! Just as well I picked up the keys from earlier innit? <heh heh>
[Unlocks door quickly and boots it open....<sickening thud>] Oops...<looks
down> oooh..sorry Michele...I'm sure it's nothing some good rhinoplasty
can't fix.
[Slash!!]
>> Noooo!! No Frohike..not now..not ever!!!
>> And no Byers either...but that's just cause I think he's cuddly..and
cuddly
>> folk don't do that kind of think it'd ruin my fantasy. :)
>So, you have a fantasy with Byers, Uhm? Do tell us.<wicked grin>
I did! It's a cuddly fantasy...just that...cuddly Byers and me...cuddling.
<snicker>
[Caroline!]
> >No she's the Kate Adie of woussies.
> What all dressed in Khaki and constantly getting herself into dangerous
> situations? Ooh...come to think of it.....<bg>
>And tending to piss people off, yeah that's her all right. I can't remember
>which Middle East government once called
>Downing Street to beg them to get rid of her ! (Kate Adie, not Caroline
;-))
Wouldn't be too sure about that last part...I hear Iran took they Fatwa off
Salman Rushdie so they could divert it *elsewhere*. <bg>
[Whispers in the snow]
>> >Secondary whispers? You mean the one about sausages? Don't ask *me*,
>>>ask Cat.
>> Oh no!! You're not getting away that easy...what about the sausages!!!!
>> I was talking about possible declarations of a very personal kind...but
>> sausages sound interesting too... :)
>Well Cat said that Scully said "Sausages" instead of "saw it".
[ROTFL] Like that dog off of That's Life?! Cool!
>And what were
>those possible declarations of a very personal
>kind ?
What? You mean Caroline or Cat or Fiona never said? Ooh....erm..okay. <looks
around nervously> Urm...whilst watching or more accurately listening (as I
was half turned away to put my brekkie cereal down) to a video tape of a
certain film I happen to have in my posession I heard another whisper in the
snow.
It was getting on to the end of the snow scene...just as she was in mid
cuddle of Mulder, you know the bit, presses lips to head, places cheek on
head, gives shudder sigh, closes eyes...then opens them again....and then
just at point, I heard her say....*something*....actually it came out
crystal clear that first time when I wasn't listening for it...what she said
was....ahem..."I love you."....<ducks rapidly>
What?! What?! I am NOT crazy! Other people heard it too!...I *know*..I
forced them all to listen! Caroline, Cat...all of them! <g> At the moment
it's either "I love you." or "Snurflemurfle" but Caroline maintains that
last's one too filthy for Scully so "I love you" get's the nod...we want to
believe! :))
> >> ["Right behind you" musings]
> >Well...er...aren't we in a public forum ???
> <looks around> Yup...appears so. Is this a problem? <g>
>Don't ask me. < Waves at lurkers > you don't mind smut do you?
Hah! That's why they come here! Right guys?
> >> [skinner]
> That's where that whole guilt thing would come into it. Sense of partial
> responsibility for her situation.
>Uhm, even so. I think he's got a baaad crush.
As I have him firmly pencilled in as Father figure..agreeing with that
statement would definitely lead to some gross out moments. <g>
> [A call for Woussies]
> <gimlet eyed stare><answers through Eastwood like gritted teeth>
S'funny...
> sounded like you...definite French accent.
>I'm not the only French around you know...< looks anywhere but at Lian's
>impressive Eastwood's impersonation>Er...want a cookie?
<spits out toothpick which whistles past Michele's ear> Are they Raisin
Pecan?
> [Taking ove the World]
> Well you got one baybee...Caroline makes Scully look like a World
Champion
> Con Woman, such is her lack of Lying ability. <g>
>Oh dear, is it *that* bad?
<shakes head> Fraid so....bad case of "Planus Blabbermouthus."
>> Don't be downhearted, she's got the Drive...just not the sneakyness.
Teach
>> her well...<g>
>Well, I'd better start by learning the topics myself then...
They say a good teacher is always just one step ahead of the pupils... :)
NWWY
Lian
Michele
Lian wrote:
> Michele wrote in message <362B5AA7...@nottingham.ac.uk>...
> >Lian wrote:
> > Michele wrote:
>
> [The Quest]
> > Why Michele..what a romantic thing to say. <g>
>
> ><grunts>Must be that last fanfic I read, rubbing on me, it'll pass.
>
> Nuh-uh...sure sign it's beginning to seep into your bloodstream, you're
> infected girl. And it's terminal. <snicker>
<grabbing huge syringe> Nope, I've got a healthy dose of Noromol right here. <G>
>
>
> > [It's a dirty job...]
> >< Elbowing Lian> Not any more, didn't you know that all French are thiefs?
>
> Really?! But isn't that kind of conforming to a stereotype?
Yup. We love to conform.
> I would never
> *ever* put an entire people into a slot like that.
You might lack of room.
> French are all great lovers with tremendous charisma,
That's us all right. <Beaming smile>
> a connoisseurs palate
> for wine and cheese,
Exactly.
> who ride bikes, wear stripey shirts, berets and a
> necklace of onions around their neck...
Er, nah! Garlic not onions.
> the same way the Irish, all live in
> little thatched cottages,
ah, sweet!
> spend all their days hanging over fences
> commenting on the world as it goes by whilst never doing a tap of work if
> they can help it,
Really? Like the Corsicans then.
> spending all their money on drink,
Well, that's true for us too!
> quoting lyrical poetry
> and getting into fights, all the while putting on the poor mouth at the same
> time as outwitting (in a charming way) the foreigners who come to visit
> their shores....See? Lots of slots there!
Insert coins.That a rather nice stereotype though.
> <vbg> [snaffles the night vision
> goggles back while Michele's reading openmouthed through all of that....heh
> heh!!]
HEY! Give those back, I'm not finished! That was a nasty trick, M Guire.
> [What DOES she think?!]
>
> Wow..I'd agree with just about all of that...with just 2 changes. The
> change being I think they deliberately didn't look too closely at the nature
> of their feelings for fear of *where* that would lead them.
Mmm, maybe.
> And again it is
> (IMHO) not so much that there was no wish for a romantic relationship just
> again, a head over heart view that it would be inadvisable.
Okay, coulde be that too, but I still think, it didn't really was at the
forefront of their minds.
> YES!! So they *are* in love...albeit as of summer '98!! See that's where I
> kept getting confused...so they weren't but now they are.
Exactly, they had an Hallway epiphany kinda thing.
> [What next]
> [snip, will join the Woussies thread to answer this]
> As to the logical reason for them not to move forward in the relationship,
> that is actually a good question. I would imagine that they remain pretty
> much the same..err..that is *if* you were like most shippers who believe
> they were in love prior to the movie.
But for people like me, it's gonna be kind of awkard.
> Those excuses being, that embarking on
> a relationship per se, which would require physical commitments and all that
> brings with it,
Well after all the emotional commitments they already have I don't see what
getting horizontal would change.
> is just not advisable in the constant life and death
> situations they are in, and would in fact be a distraction.
Like Scully would be mesmerized by her partner's bu...er...eyes instead of
focussing on the bad guys?Uhm, doesn't seem likely somehow.
> There's also
> the whole thing about the characters...well...character really. Neither of
> them are exactly what you'd call experts at relationships are they? And
> neither of them are terribly open, demonstrative people who find their
> feelings easy to talk about. So they've got their *own* personality
> obstacles to overcome before they can get to that point, if you get my
> drift.
Now, that's more like it! That would be a good reason. OK. So I guess next time
*nothing* happens I 'll keep chanting "they are geeks, they are geeks" <G>
> Ooh Miss! Miss!! <waves hand madly>
> Yeah I've got one...the perrenial one with regards to M&S, do *you* think
> they should get together at the end of the show or films whichever *is* the
> actual end?
Well, I really didn't have any particular opinion on this since I thought there
was no romantic issue to resolve.Now I think I agree with newbie Jan on this and
I quote " I'd hate a rosy-glow sunset ending to a show which has always been so
full of darkness."
And I may add that the sense of closure would be very un-X-filish.
So I think the best way would be that at some point, later in the series, to
imply that they *are* having a relationship...off screen. I think that would be
the best way to deal with it. The tension would still be there because we
wouldn't have a clue
of what really happened, shippers would be over-analyzing every little hints,
and noromos would be happy because the show would still focus on conspiracies
and investigation stuff. That calls for rating bonanzas.
> [Mills and Boon]
>
> Except in 99.9% of the time the fanfic's better written and more believable,
> even if you would dislocate several limbs trying to do what they get up to.
<LOL> Hey! They are trained FBI agents after all, can cope with every position
<snicker>
> >< Horrified stare>You wouldn't be that cruel Lian? Would you?
>
> <examines nails, buffs them against shirt casually> We're talking full
> Caroline defence mode here...what do you think? <g>
Three words: Ten foot Pole.
> Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot. <g>
Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
[ movie lurve]
> >YES.
>
> See? I was getting there! Very Verrrrrrrrry slowly...but I was! :)
Damn it! That was a nasty trick McGuire.
> Better not check out The Beginning spoilers at Haven today so.... <chuckle>
> Did you indicate preference of colour of hat to Fiona at all?
Green alien goo colour, please
> Love isn't going to make a self centred person, not self
> centred, just more likely to be less self centred on certain occasions. And
> I think we all realise that Mulder is not exactly always the most sensitive
> of souls..especially when it comes to the feelings of those nearest and
> dearest to him.
Awww, no fun. I thought True Love made people perfect and wear a lot of pink and
kneel all the time.So heartbroken I am, sniff... (guess it's the kneeling part
I'll miss the most. <oh-so angelic-smile>)
> >Anyway, it pisses me off too, but I love to hate him <G>.
>
> Yeah..wouldn't be the same if we couldn't have a little moan about him...as
> opposed to other related to Mulder moans. <hds>
The ones where said kneeling is involved? <equally hds>
> [Mulder's reaction in Redux II]
>
> >> bigger the relief. And this was BIG. <g>
>
> ><HDS>Weeeelll, *that's* a well known fanfic fact...
>
> <bg> Indeed it is....nothing like a bit of relief eh?
Yup. Nothing like it. Hard and fast relief.
> [The Doctor is In!]
> >> >Thank you doctor, I feel much better now,<G>
>
> >> Wait'll you see my bill. :)
>
> >EEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
>
> Now will that be cash or credit card? No cheques please. I have a 99 year
> installment payment plan you might be interested in?
I'm NOT signing anything with my blood!
> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>
> Go for it girl! Just close yourself off from humanity emotionally about
> 40-50% that ought to do it. <snigger>
And people live like *this*??? <shivers>
> [Syzygy]
> >> Whatever you think about The Rift...or about the rather silly plot (but
> to >> be honest is the idea that a convocation of stars/planets could affect
> >> behaviour any sillier than killer cockroaches from another planet?)...
>
> >Or plastic teethed vampires...
>
> Or Killer dollies, or Big Blue, or......
... white haired surfers writing TV shows? Ooops wrong plot...<snicker>
>
>
> A little I think...though she still seemed thoroughly pissed off after her
> experiences in Mulder's room. And yes she did run the gamut of Scully looks
> in that..I especially love her soto voce muttering in her room as she sucks
> on her fag (err...moving right along)
Now Lian, do not use this kind of verb when everybody's filling their DTA
awards, how many times should I tell you !<shakes head> people could get
hurt...<turns head sharply> Easy, Caroline I didn't say people *will* get hurt,
you can stop grinning now, and drop that chickenwire.
> And that almost disbelieving look of mild fury in the
> hallway when Mulder follows her outside after the Sniffing incident and she
> tells him he could do what the hell he wants she's outta there! Damn she's
> good.
The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when she said "I'm
going to washington in the morning"was crying out Jealous!Scully so much that I
was in awe.Yeah the girl sure has intensity, no doubt about that.
> >And distracted!Mulder was perfect.
> His
> bemused reactions to Det. White's advances were one of those rare things in
> Season 3, a Mulder Huggy moment. :)
Very true.Mmmm, distracted Mulder...I wonder...er...ah...sorry, just thinking of
ways to distract for a moment.
> You really oughten to have missed that hat fitting Michele..she's very proud
> of her handiwork is Fiona. <looks closer> Fiona is that really a grenade
> you have there?
< Holding cricket bat> HOWZAT? Umpire! Fiona wants to blow the wickets!
> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>
> Why Michele! I didn't know you and Cat were an item! How long as this been
> going on? <vbg>
<grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I don't do fluffy
creatures.
> Happens all the time in so called
> *great* romances*, where duty and honour and general forbearance take precid
> ent over what the individuals want...it's what adds that extra soupcon of
> fizz to the proceedings.
Tomorrow at Tara...
> [The Closed Door metaphor]
> > I *knew* you misunderstood that!! I knew it!!!
> > That was just a metaphor...<hammers on the door> a metaphor!! Let me
> IN!!!
>
> ><muffled voice coming from behind door> Bugger off McGuire, it's an oak
> >metaphor!
>
> Fine!! Just as well I picked up the keys from earlier innit? <heh heh>
> [Unlocks door quickly and boots it open....<sickening thud>] Oops...<looks
> down> oooh..sorry Michele...I'm sure it's nothing some good rhinoplasty
> can't fix.
<holding bleeding nose> Av vill kick yur aff MagGuoire! Ged Aod!
> [Fantasy with the gunmen]
> I did! It's a cuddly fantasy...just that...cuddly Byers and me...cuddling.
> <snicker>
A CareByers ? Does he have a little red heart on the butt and comes in bright
colours?
> [Caroline!]
> Wouldn't be too sure about that last part...I hear Iran took they Fatwa off
> Salman Rushdie so they could divert it *elsewhere*. <bg>
Oooh nasty, nasty!!!
> [the whisper]
> It was getting on to the end of the snow scene...just as she was in mid
> cuddle of Mulder, you know the bit, presses lips to head, places cheek on
> head, gives shudder sigh, closes eyes...then opens them again....
Yeah, yeah , yeah, I know the scene.
> and then
> just at point, I heard her say....*something*....actually it came out
> crystal clear that first time when I wasn't listening for it...what she said
> was....ahem..."I love you."....<ducks rapidly>
AHHHHRRRRR!!!! RUUUUBBBISHHH !!!! <grabs tape>
> What?! What?! I am NOT crazy! Other people heard it too!...I *know*..I
> forced them all to listen! Caroline, Cat...all of them! <g> At the moment
> it's either "I love you." or "Snurflemurfle" but Caroline maintains that
> last's one too filthy for Scully so "I love you" get's the nod...we want to
> believe! :))
This is outrageously ridiculous, it *was* Snurflenurfle!!!
> > >> [skinner]
> >Uhm, even so. I think he's got a baaad crush.
>
> As I have him firmly pencilled in as Father figure..agreeing with that
> statement would definitely lead to some gross out moments. <g>
That's OK, I never pictured him as a father figure, so I can let my imagination
wander..."Walter? turn around."
> > [A call for Woussies]
>
> >I'm not the only French around you know...< looks anywhere but at Lian's
> >impressive Eastwood's impersonation>Er...want a cookie?
>
> <spits out toothpick which whistles past Michele's ear> Are they Raisin
> Pecan?
Ow! Umm...no they're chocolate chips...<shows content with trembling hand>
> > [Taking ove the World]
> > Con Woman, such is her lack of Lying ability. <g>
>
> >Oh dear, is it *that* bad?
>
> <shakes head> Fraid so....bad case of "Planus Blabbermouthus."
<LOL> A lost cause then. <pouts>
>
>
> >> Don't be downhearted, she's got the Drive...just not the sneakyness.
> Teach
> >> her well...<g>
>
> >Well, I'd better start by learning the topics myself then...
>
> They say a good teacher is always just one step ahead of the pupils... :)
Would one toe do ?
JLB
1998, Michele writes
>
>
>Lian wrote:
[huge snip]
>> [What DOES she think?!]
>>
>> Wow..I'd agree with just about all of that...with just 2 changes. The
>> change being I think they deliberately didn't look too closely at the nature
>> of their feelings for fear of *where* that would lead them.
>
>Mmm, maybe.
>
>> And again it is
>> (IMHO) not so much that there was no wish for a romantic relationship just
>> again, a head over heart view that it would be inadvisable.
>
>Okay, coulde be that too, but I still think, it didn't really was at the
>forefront of their minds.
'Head over heart' never really stops anyone for long - at least, not in
the kind of situations we've seen M&S in.
>
>> YES!! So they *are* in love...albeit as of summer '98!! See that's where I
>> kept getting confused...so they weren't but now they are.
>
>Exactly, they had an Hallway epiphany kinda thing.
>
>> [What next]
>> [snip, will join the Woussies thread to answer this]
>> As to the logical reason for them not to move forward in the relationship,
>> that is actually a good question. I would imagine that they remain pretty
>> much the same..err..that is *if* you were like most shippers who believe
>> they were in love prior to the movie.
>
>But for people like me, it's gonna be kind of awkard.
>
>> Those excuses being, that embarking on
>> a relationship per se, which would require physical commitments and all that
>> brings with it,
>
>Well after all the emotional commitments they already have I don't see what
>getting horizontal would change.
Only horizontal? :: sigh ::
>
>> is just not advisable in the constant life and death
>> situations they are in, and would in fact be a distraction.
>
>Like Scully would be mesmerized by her partner's bu...er...eyes instead of
>focussing on the bad guys?Uhm, doesn't seem likely somehow.
>
>> There's also
>> the whole thing about the characters...well...character really. Neither of
>> them are exactly what you'd call experts at relationships are they? And
>> neither of them are terribly open, demonstrative people who find their
>> feelings easy to talk about. So they've got their *own* personality
>> obstacles to overcome before they can get to that point, if you get my
>> drift.
>
>Now, that's more like it! That would be a good reason. OK. So I guess next time
>*nothing* happens I 'll keep chanting "they are geeks, they are geeks" <G>
>
>> Ooh Miss! Miss!! <waves hand madly>
>> Yeah I've got one...the perrenial one with regards to M&S, do *you* think
>> they should get together at the end of the show or films whichever *is* the
>> actual end?
>
>Well, I really didn't have any particular opinion on this since I thought there
>was no romantic issue to resolve.Now I think I agree with newbie Jan on this
Steady on! You do know I'm a Shipper, don't you? ;-)
>and
>I quote " I'd hate a rosy-glow sunset ending to a show which has always been so
>full of darkness."
>And I may add that the sense of closure would be very un-X-filish.
>So I think the best way would be that at some point, later in the series, to
>imply that they *are* having a relationship...off screen. I think that would be
>the best way to deal with it. The tension would still be there because we
>wouldn't have a clue
>of what really happened, shippers would be over-analyzing every little hints,
>and noromos would be happy because the show would still focus on conspiracies
>and investigation stuff. That calls for rating bonanzas.
Ohhhhh nnnooooooo! Replacing the 'will they, won't they' with 'are
they, aren't they'? That would just be another tease, and I think most
Philes (well, Shippers at least) are sick of being teased - if CC did
try this, I think it's lifespan would be quite limited. And IMHO it
would still be a cop-out.
[more snips]
>> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>>
>> Go for it girl! Just close yourself off from humanity emotionally about
>> 40-50% that ought to do it. <snigger>
>
>And people live like *this*??? <shivers>
<g> It's surprising what you can get used to if you try :-)
--
Jan
JLB
1998, Caroline Smith writes
>> <One Breath>
>> >To me, Mulder has always seemed shy of showing his feelings for
>> >Scully whenever her family is around; it's as if he feels
>> >awkward in that kind of situation, an intruder acknowledging
>> >that her family has prior claim.
>>
>> I think you're right, he sees himself as an intruder in her
>> family, one who doesn't belong in their charmed circle - and
>> especially in Redux II when he has to deal with the family's
>> blaming him for Scully's being in hospital at all. It's probably
>> also the case that coming from a cold dysfunctional family he
>> feels ill at ease dealing with Scully's much closer family; he's
>> not that good with people at the best of times, and happy
>> families is an unfamiliar game to him.
>>
>Too right and then there was that little issue of Bill Mulder's
>first big chest to chest, "hey let her die with dignity it's all
>your fault you shit" exchange.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but I can sympathise with Bill Scully a
little in this scene, and even more so in the scene in the hospital
corridor.
I've been waiting for so long for a member of the Scully
family to get mad at Mulder for being the cause of so much tragedy.
Bill's comments to Mulder were exactly right and justified IMO. What
caring brother *wouldn't* want to protect his sister from a man whose
behaviour and sanity at times can seem distinctly suspect? If
you think about it, a lesser show would have had the two men coming to
blows, having a brawl. But instead, TXF gives us a far subtler scene,
and it's all the more effective for it. There are times when I just
fall in love with the show all over again ....
>That's always going to make
>someone feel uneasy and unwelcome. The family dynamics
>are there throughout in Redux II, that to chip or not to chip
>scene is a goodie, all four of them pegged at different
>angles with Scully as mediator in the bed. Mrs Scully does
>love him though. Like he was her own child.
Son-in-law? <g>
Even abnormal people want to get laid once in a while ;->
Time to give Mulder's VCR a rest, I say, and then maybe he can sell his
shares in Kleenex .... <bg>
>
>> > MHO is that it's time to be brave and give them a sex
>> >scene to remember (preferably the sort that can only be
>> >released in full on video - I'll buy the uncut version!),
>>
>> The world would buy the uncut version.
>
>I would buy two in case one wore out. Or maybe three depending
>on whether there was a special edition.
<shouting and pleading all at once> Are you listening CC .. Fox .. 1013
- *great* marketing opportunity here!
>
>> >To leave it to
>> >the last episode would be too cliche and a cop-out, an easy way
>> >to get out of trying to deal with it. I'd hate a rosy-glow
>> >sunset ending to a show which has always been so full of
>> >darkness.
>>
>> I'd like to see 1013 try to deal with it too; as you say, the
>> character credibility is being stretched to its limits now and
>> sometimes it seems mere cowardice or perhaps immaturity on CC's
>> part to insist on keeping the MSR platonic, though logically I'd
>> have to concede that it's probably merely smart manipulation to
>> ensure high viewing figures; it might annoy me but it keeps the
>> most people watching.
>>
>Then there might be a day when something else comes along and
>the UST on that something is even fresher and everyone leaves
>cos they were pissed off M&S never really moved on.
This is one of my fears, too.
>I think it's the
>safe option to say "leave it to the end" I always do, but I really have
>never thought it out. I think my main fear is the way the show could
>go, too domestic - but the characters are always pretty prominently
>placed within the episodes anyways. Having them involved as well
>as partners could be fun to try and watch them figure out aside
>from the fact that they'd be kicked out of the Fibbies as soon as it
>happened...
Would that really happen? Anyone know for sure if the FBI would kick
people out / separate partners if they got involved?
>
>> >What would really kill the show would be to make the MSR RST the
>> >main focus of episodes, soap-style, instead of the deeply-woven
>> >emotional thread which underlies and binds it all. Sappiness
>> >too would be fatal - no cosy domesticity please!
>>
>> Yeah, but as you say, that needn't happen. Making M&S into
>> "consummated professionals" needn't make them any less
>> professional and it needn't interfere with the plotlines; it
>> would just make their characters more human, more believeable.
>
>I love that phrase, Consummated professionals. All hail Madeleine :-)
>thing is though, five years on and they still haven't taken the step of
>making Scully a believer, it's not looking good for any sexual
>gymnastics any time soon.
<begin rant>
And look how ridiculous it seems for Scully to be constantly required to
deny all she's seen and experienced while working with Mulder. I'm not
sure I want her to become a Mulder-like believer - Fowley has given us a
glimpse of what this might be like and there's no dynamic there at all -
but it's just bloody stupid for there not to be *some* progression
towards Mulder's POV. <end rant>
>
>> >But I don't believe it would be over and
>> >done with nothing to work to - I think it would up the ante even
>> >more. My only doubts, as Caroline said, are that the writers may
>> >not be up to the job of making it work; way back in seasons 2 &
>> >3 I would have said they were, but now I wonder. But still I
>> >think the risk should be taken.
>>
>> What in the last couple of seasons has made you think 1013 might
>> not be up to the challenge? Not that I disagree, I'm just
>> wondering.
I'm not exactly sober at this time of the evening, so please excuse if
the following isn't very coherent ...
I'm not sure how much of my feeling of unease is due to the writers, CC
or 1013 in general. Seasons 4 and 5 seem to me to show a decline in
standard of writing in general - many of the well-established writers
have left, and of those who were taken on for S5, I believe only 2
remain. S5 in particular had too many 'comic' episodes: little bits of
self-mockery or 'cheesiness' - like the rocking car in Kill Switch.
Funny but not right, somehow. The wedding ring - not once up til now
has Mulder *ever* shown any signs of or mentioned being married. For
the first time since I started watching 'way back at the Pilot, I felt
unable to recommend the show to friends.
Perhaps it's that the minor irritations of the first 3 seasons haven't
been corrected but have instead become worse - the continuity errors,
the timeline scrambling, the by-now impossibly self-contradicting
conspiracy arc - bees, viruses, the badly-plotted movie ... It's worth
bothering trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together if there's an
overall picture to work towards, but increasingly I'm feeling that
we've been thrown handfuls of pieces of several different puzzles chosen
at random. Sometimes I can almost imagine CC laughing and saying 'Let's
see what bullshit we can get them to believe this week - let's watch
them tying themselves in knots trying to fit *this* into what we've told
them before'. There seems to be a feeling of ennui about the show now,
and a contempt for the fans.
Urrgh. Maybe I should repost when I'm not struggling to get the brain
cells to connect ...
Of all the 2-parters, T&T was my least favourite for exactly these
reasons. The increasing coarsening of Mulder's character is very
saddening.
> I do like him doing the cable car bit in Ascension and
>walking on top of the train in 731 but only because you can see
>him doing that stuff as Mulder. other than that he always gets his ass
>(l)kicked <g> which is just so much more human somehow. Although
>if we were going for equality then Scully would probably lose a lot
>more fights as well...
I *like* Mulder losing fights - he's not really built for fighting since
he doesn't mass enough. In the early days, he was definitely a non-
violent character, a really atypical TV hero - for God's sake, he *crys*
! Kudos to CC for making M the sensitive one, and Scully the strong
one, yet at least in the early days never the stereotypical cold, female
scientist.
Wasn't there something that Scully had taken a self-defense course
during her training? This would give her the advantage of the element
of surprise early on, but wouldn't help much beyond that with a
stronger, heavier opponent - which is what I think has always happened.
Can't remember her finishing a fight just by blows alone - except with
the porno nurses <g>. If so, it makes perfect sense that she should be
better at fighting than Mulder - another guy would expect he'd put up a
fight right from the get-go.
>> >I've never understood why Scully takes so much ditching from
>> >Mulder without getting screamingly angry at him - takes the
>> >saintliness of her character to extremes, I think, and makes her
>> >seem a bit doormat-ish at times.
>>
>> Yeah, it seems to take fanfiction to make Scully stand up and
>> give Mulder what's coming to him. In whichever sense.
>>
>Yup yup and yup.
>Never Again. Nice try lads but not *quite* good enough.
Double standards, anyone?
>Get ahold of Missy Pennington, she can make Scully kick
>Mulder's ass any day for me.
--
Jan, who must remember to *count* the whiskymacs ...
Michele
JLB wrote:
> 'Head over heart' never really stops anyone for long - at least, not in
> the kind of situations we've seen M&S in.
On the contrary head will prevail ! Too much danger out there, no time to fool
around.
> >Well after all the emotional commitments they already have I don't see what
> >getting horizontal would change.
>
> Only horizontal? :: sigh ::
Newbie, you 're going to fit just fine here if you start like this :-) :-) And no,
not only horizontal, they're known to be pretty good at vertical too, well in fanfic
that is...<HG>
> >Well, I really didn't have any particular opinion on this since I thought there
> >was no romantic issue to resolve.Now I think I agree with newbie Jan on this
>
> Steady on! You do know I'm a Shipper, don't you? ;-)
I suspected as much, it's a plague to end all plague this Shiperitis <sighs>.
Michele
JLB wrote:
> >angles with Scully as mediator in the bed. Mrs Scully does
> >love him though. Like he was her own child.
>
> Son-in-law? <g>
<glares at shipper regs > You gave her private tuiton on shipdom or what? Just
what we needed another shipper, and articulate at that, <sighs wearily> I think
I need a holiday really.
<grabs skin-tight Maine Tee Shirt and a cool pair of shades>Adieu les amis...
<sound of nondescript classical music starts, stops abruptly, only to be
replaced by very loud Jimi Hendrix guitar sound, tee shirt is being used to wipe
windscreen.>
> Even abnormal people want to get laid once in a while ;->
> Time to give Mulder's VCR a rest, I say, and then maybe he can sell his
> shares in Kleenex .... <bg>
Why? Getting laid is good against cold? < angelic uncomprehending face>
Lian
>>Lian wrote:
>>> Michele wrote in message <362B5AA7...@nottingham.ac.uk>...
>>> >Lian wrote:
>>> > Michele wrote:
>>> [The Quest]
>>> > Why Michele..what a romantic thing to say. <g>
>>> ><grunts>Must be that last fanfic I read, rubbing on me, it'll pass.
>>> Nuh-uh...sure sign it's beginning to seep into your bloodstream, you're
>>> infected girl. And it's terminal. <snicker>
>><grabbing huge syringe> Nope, I've got a healthy dose of Noromol right
here. <G>
Oh right...that's the stuff that zonks you out and then you sorta come too
in a totally, unanimated state, and in a very droney tone of voice yammer on
about how much you like Phoebe and Diana Fowley and how Bambi Berenbaum was
just perfect for Mulder and then put on a flannel night shirt and some
rabbit slippers and fall happily asleep right?
>>> > [It's a dirty job...]
>>> >< Elbowing Lian> Not any more, didn't you know that all French are
thiefs?
>>> Really?! But isn't that kind of conforming to a stereotype?
>>Yup. We love to conform.
Uh-huh...hence all the protest marches not to mention the Revolution. <g>
>>> French are all great lovers with tremendous charisma,
>>That's us all right. <Beaming smile>
Right...except of course that there's always the exception that proves the
rule. <she said not looking at any French woman on this ng in particular>
>>> a connoisseurs palate for wine and cheese,
>>Exactly.
And snails and Kermit legs.
>>> who ride bikes, wear stripey shirts, berets and a necklace of onions
around their >>>neck...
>>Er, nah! Garlic not onions.
Nuh-uh...*smell* of garlic, *wear* onions...at least that's how all the best
stereotypes dress. :)
>>> the same way the Irish, all live in little thatched cottages,
>>ah, sweet!
Heh yeah right...till the roof starts leaking.
>>> spend all their days hanging over fences
>>> commenting on the world as it goes by whilst never doing a tap of work
if
>>> they can help it,
>>Really? Like the Corsicans then.
Oh-ho-hooo! Nasty! And erm...aren't the Corsican's also famed for blood
feuds against people who insult them? <snigger>
>>> spending all their money on drink,
>>Well, that's true for us too!
It is?! Let us embrace oh fellow sterotype!! <bg>
>>> quoting lyrical poetry
>>> and getting into fights, all the while putting on the poor mouth at the
same
>>> time as outwitting (in a charming way) the foreigners who come to visit
>>> their shores....See? Lots of slots there!
>>Insert coins.That a rather nice stereotype though.
Hmph...not if you have to live with it 200 years after it was first created
it aint.
>>> <vbg> [snaffles the night vision
>>> goggles back while Michele's reading openmouthed through all of
that....heh
>>> heh!!]
>>HEY! Give those back, I'm not finished! That was a nasty trick, M Guire.
Heh heh...well whaddya know, maybe that bit about outwitting (in a charming
way) people wasn't really a stereotype...<snicker>
>>> [What DOES she think?!]
>>> Wow..I'd agree with just about all of that...with just 2 changes. The
>>> change being I think they deliberately didn't look too closely at the
nature
>>> of their feelings for fear of *where* that would lead them.
>>Mmm, maybe.
I think that's kind of a given...most fanfic tends to lean that way, I've
noted. FEAR!! <g>
>>> And again it is
>>> (IMHO) not so much that there was no wish for a romantic relationship
just
>>> again, a head over heart view that it would be inadvisable.
>>Okay, coulde be that too, but I still think, it didn't really was at the
>>forefront of their minds.
Well I'd have to agree that it wasn't *always* at the forefront of their
minds, I mean if it was and they didn't do anything about it, they would be
in need of some serious help. I just think there were moments..intimate
moments when what was there in the background came rushing to the front is
all.
>>> YES!! So they *are* in love...albeit as of summer '98!! See that's
where I
>>> kept getting confused...so they weren't but now they are.
>>Exactly, they had an Hallway epiphany kinda thing.
And once again there were insects present.
>>> [What next]
>>> [snip, will join the Woussies thread to answer this]
>>> As to the logical reason for them not to move forward in the
relationship,
>>> that is actually a good question. I would imagine that they remain
pretty
>>> much the same..err..that is *if* you were like most shippers who believe
>>> they were in love prior to the movie.
>>But for people like me, it's gonna be kind of awkard.
Fraid so...we should enrole you in a course, 112 step programe...
>>> Those excuses being, that embarking on
>>> a relationship per se, which would require physical commitments and all
that
>>> brings with it,
>>Well after all the emotional commitments they already have I don't see
what
>>getting horizontal would change.
Oh hell, it's not just the sex I'm referring to..it's the actual change in
relationship that follows that. We're talking about all that stuff, that
shippers actually fear about a relationship beginning on screen...the boring
stuff...the arguments over moving in, over toothpaste squeezing, and toilet
seats up or down, who gets to sleep on the left or right, and what they're
having for dinner...those kind of physical commitments.
>>> is just not advisable in the constant life and death
>>> situations they are in, and would in fact be a distraction.
>>Like Scully would be mesmerized by her partner's bu...er...eyes instead of
>>focussing on the bad guys?Uhm, doesn't seem likely somehow.
Again not so much referring to an in or life or death scenario..as in there
day to day work, how arguments at home will affect their working together,
how embarking on a full fledged romance, would distract them from their
work..for things like...alleyway shagathons and stuff. <g>
>>> There's also
>>> the whole thing about the characters...well...character really. Neither
of
>>> them are exactly what you'd call experts at relationships are they? And
>>> neither of them are terribly open, demonstrative people who find their
>>> feelings easy to talk about. So they've got their *own* personality
>>> obstacles to overcome before they can get to that point, if you get my
>>> drift.
>>Now, that's more like it! That would be a good reason. OK. So I guess next
time
>>*nothing* happens I 'll keep chanting "they are geeks, they are geeks" <G>
Well they are...Mulder is the Handsome Prince of Geekonia... :)
>>> Ooh Miss! Miss!! <waves hand madly>
>>> Yeah I've got one...the perrenial one with regards to M&S, do *you*
think
>>> they should get together at the end of the show or films whichever *is*
the
>>> actual end?
>>Well, I really didn't have any particular opinion on this since I thought
there
>>was no romantic issue to resolve.Now I think I agree with newbie Jan on
this and
>>I quote " I'd hate a rosy-glow sunset ending to a show which has always
been so
>>full of darkness."
>>And I may add that the sense of closure would be very un-X-filish.
>>So I think the best way would be that at some point, later in the series,
to
>>imply that they *are* having a relationship...off screen. I think that
would be
>>the best way to deal with it. The tension would still be there because we
>>wouldn't have a clue of what really happened, shippers would be
over-analyzing every little hints, and noromos would be happy because the
show would still focus on conspiracies and investigation stuff. That calls
for rating bonanzas.
I have to admit..that on occasion a *happy ever after ending* did seem to
jar somewhat with the way the show is...and actually this is what initially
led me to consider them finishing on the death of one (or both) of
them...that earned me an earful from Caroline. <bg>
But conversely...when you consider all the rottenness they've both been
through, wouldn't it be totally churlish of the writers to deny them at
least that? Heh..maybe they'll compromise...maybe in the final film,
they'll allow them to get together and then at the end kill one of them off.
Tragedy!!
>>> [Mills and Boon]
>>> Except in 99.9% of the time the fanfic's better written and more
believable,
>>> even if you would dislocate several limbs trying to do what they get up
to.
>><LOL> Hey! They are trained FBI agents after all, can cope with every
position
>><snicker>
HotDamn!! Be worth attempting to join the FBI just for that training, even
if you did flunk out the rest! <g>
[Mental Torture and Ally McBeal]
>>> >< Horrified stare>You wouldn't be that cruel Lian? Would you?
>>> <examines nails, buffs them against shirt casually> We're talking full
>>> Caroline defence mode here...what do you think? <g>
>>Three words: Ten foot Pole.
Ooh..he's a tall one! Didn't know Caroline was scared of Poles? Is he from
Warsaw or Gdansk? <chuckle>
>>> Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot. <g>
>>Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
You've obviously not been checking out some of our more recent
discussions... :)
>>[ movie lurve]
>>> >YES.
>>> See? I was getting there! Very Verrrrrrrrry slowly...but I was! :)
>>Damn it! That was a nasty trick McGuire.
<stoic look> I regret nothing...I did it all in the service of my
Shipperdom! <bg>
>>> Better not check out The Beginning spoilers at Haven today so....
<chuckle>
>>> Did you indicate preference of colour of hat to Fiona at all?
>>Green alien goo colour, please
A wise choice madam...may I suggest Alien Grey for the bobble?
>>> Love isn't going to make a self centred person, not self
>>> centred, just more likely to be less self centred on certain occasions.
And
>>> I think we all realise that Mulder is not exactly always the most
sensitive
>>> of souls..especially when it comes to the feelings of those nearest and
>>> dearest to him.
>>Awww, no fun. I thought True Love made people perfect and wear a lot of
pink and kneel all the time.
No, I think that's actually the Big Love..the local gay bar. <ooh..how's
that for stereotyping!>
>>So heartbroken I am, sniff... (guess it's the kneeling part
>>I'll miss the most. <oh-so angelic-smile>)
Oh don't worry I'm sure we can find something for you where you can kneel a
lot...I think the guys have some ideas...dontcha? <innocent smile>
>>> >Anyway, it pisses me off too, but I love to hate him <G>.
>>> Yeah..wouldn't be the same if we couldn't have a little moan about
him...as
>>> opposed to other related to Mulder moans. <hds>
>>The ones where said kneeling is involved? <equally hds>
Depends on whether he's the one doing the kneeling really don't it? <g>
>>> [Mulder's reaction in Redux II]
>>> >> bigger the relief. And this was BIG. <g>
>>> ><HDS>Weeeelll, *that's* a well known fanfic fact...
>>> <bg> Indeed it is....nothing like a bit of relief eh?
>>Yup. Nothing like it. Hard and fast relief.
Yahuh. Hard, fast and deep relief....
>>> [The Doctor is In!]
>>> >> >Thank you doctor, I feel much better now,<G>
>>> >> Wait'll you see my bill. :)
>>> >EEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
>>> Now will that be cash or credit card? No cheques please. I have a 99
year
>>> installment payment plan you might be interested in?
>>I'm NOT signing anything with my blood!
No need...ballpoint pen will do....now if you'll sign over your soul to
me....
>>> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>>> Go for it girl! Just close yourself off from humanity emotionally about
>>> 40-50% that ought to do it. <snigger>
>>And people live like *this*??? <shivers>
And amazingly manage to procreate too!
>>> [Syzygy]
>>> >> Whatever you think about The Rift...or about the rather silly plot
(but
>>> to >> be honest is the idea that a convocation of stars/planets could
affect
>>> >> behaviour any sillier than killer cockroaches from another
planet?)...
>>> >Or plastic teethed vampires...
>>> Or Killer dollies, or Big Blue, or......
>>... white haired surfers writing TV shows? Ooops wrong plot...<snicker>
But more than farfetched enough to qualify. :)
[Syzygy]
>>> A little I think...though she still seemed thoroughly pissed off after
her
>>> experiences in Mulder's room. And yes she did run the gamut of Scully
looks
>>> in that..I especially love her soto voce muttering in her room as she
sucks
>>> on her fag (err...moving right along)
>>Now Lian, do not use this kind of verb when everybody's filling their DTA
>>awards, how many times should I tell you !<shakes head> people could get
>>hurt...<turns head sharply> Easy, Caroline I didn't say people *will* get
hurt,
>>you can stop grinning now, and drop that chickenwire.
<Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing* underneath> Pick it back
up again! Pick it back up!!!
>>> And that almost disbelieving look of mild fury in the
>>> hallway when Mulder follows her outside after the Sniffing incident and
she
>>> tells him he could do what the hell he wants she's outta there! Damn
she's
>>> good.
>>The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when she said
"I'm
>>going to washington in the morning"was crying out Jealous!Scully so much
that I
>>was in awe.Yeah the girl sure has intensity, no doubt about that.
What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
>>> >And distracted!Mulder was perfect.
>>> His bemused reactions to Det. White's advances were one of those rare
things in
>>> Season 3, a Mulder Huggy moment. :)
>>Very true.Mmmm, distracted Mulder...I wonder...er...ah...sorry, just
thinking of
>>ways to distract for a moment.
Distract yourself with Distracted!Mulder....yeah that'll sell.
>>> You really oughten to have missed that hat fitting Michele..she's very
proud
>>> of her handiwork is Fiona. <looks closer> Fiona is that really a
grenade
>>> you have there?
>>< Holding cricket bat> HOWZAT? Umpire! Fiona wants to blow the wickets!
Altogether now, a one and a two and a one two three....."Lucky Wickets!"
<snigger>
>>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>>> Why Michele! I didn't know you and Cat were an item! How long as this
been
>>> going on? <vbg>
>><grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I don't do
fluffy
>>creatures.
But Cat says she's not fluffy....are you telling me this is not so?
>>> Happens all the time in so called
>>> *great* romances*, where duty and honour and general forbearance take
precid
>>> ent over what the individuals want...it's what adds that extra soupcon
of
>>> fizz to the proceedings.
>>Tomorrow at Tara...
Oh Mulder...whaaat will ah do?!
>>> [The Closed Door metaphor]
>>> > I *knew* you misunderstood that!! I knew it!!!
>>> > That was just a metaphor...<hammers on the door> a metaphor!! Let me
>>> IN!!!
>>> ><muffled voice coming from behind door> Bugger off McGuire, it's an oak
>>> >metaphor!
>>> Fine!! Just as well I picked up the keys from earlier innit? <heh heh>
>>> [Unlocks door quickly and boots it open....<sickening thud>]
Oops...<looks
>>> down> oooh..sorry Michele...I'm sure it's nothing some good rhinoplasty
>>> can't fix.
>><holding bleeding nose> Av vill kick yur aff MagGuoire! Ged Aod!
I don't think so.... :) <settles down comfortably on water bed>
>>> [Fantasy with the gunmen]
>>> I did! It's a cuddly fantasy...just that...cuddly Byers and
me...cuddling.
>>> <snicker>
>>A CareByers ? Does he have a little red heart on the butt and comes in
bright
>>colours?
A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said stifling
laughter desperately>
>>> [Caroline!]
>>> Wouldn't be too sure about that last part...I hear Iran took they Fatwa
off
>>> Salman Rushdie so they could divert it *elsewhere*. <bg>
>>Oooh nasty, nasty!!!
Hey to paraphrase the girl herself...if the fatwa fits. :)
>>> [the whisper]
>>> It was getting on to the end of the snow scene...just as she was in mid
>>> cuddle of Mulder, you know the bit, presses lips to head, places cheek
on
>>> head, gives shudder sigh, closes eyes...then opens them again....
>>Yeah, yeah , yeah, I know the scene.
I know...I just like talking about it...in great detail. :)))
>>> and then
>>> just at point, I heard her say....*something*....actually it came out
>>> crystal clear that first time when I wasn't listening for it...what she
said
>>> was....ahem..."I love you."....<ducks rapidly>
>>AHHHHRRRRR!!!! RUUUUBBBISHHH !!!! <grabs tape>
BWAH HAH HAH HAAAH!! Tis true I tellsya!!!
>>> What?! What?! I am NOT crazy! Other people heard it too!...I *know*..I
>>> forced them all to listen! Caroline, Cat...all of them! <g> At the
moment
>>> it's either "I love you." or "Snurflemurfle" but Caroline maintains that
>>> last's one too filthy for Scully so "I love you" get's the nod...we want
to
>>> believe! :))
>>This is outrageously ridiculous, it *was* Snurflenurfle!!!
Nope...she luuuuuuurrrrrrrrves him. She said so. <bg>
>>> > >> [skinner]
>>> >Uhm, even so. I think he's got a baaad crush.
>>> As I have him firmly pencilled in as Father figure..agreeing with that
>>> statement would definitely lead to some gross out moments. <g>
>>That's OK, I never pictured him as a father figure, so I can let my
imagination
>>wander..."Walter? turn around."
<settles back to watch> What?! Oh hey..he's not *my* father figure.
>>> > [A call for Woussies]
>>> >I'm not the only French around you know...< looks anywhere but at
Lian's
>>> >impressive Eastwood's impersonation>Er...want a cookie?
>>> <spits out toothpick which whistles past Michele's ear> Are they Raisin
>>> Pecan?
>>Ow! Umm...no they're chocolate chips...<shows content with trembling hand>
<eyes narrow to slits> Chocolate chip?! CHOCOLATE CHIP?!?!
>>> > [Taking ove the World]
>>> > Con Woman, such is her lack of Lying ability. <g>
>>> >Oh dear, is it *that* bad?
>>> <shakes head> Fraid so....bad case of "Planus Blabbermouthus."
>><LOL> A lost cause then. <pouts>
Yes that too..as she also has lousy directional sense. <g>
And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs like hell
before Caroline sees this>
NWWY
Lian
Cat
>>Michele wrote:
>>>Lian wrote:
>Heh..maybe they'll compromise...maybe in the final film,
>they'll allow them to get together and then at the end kill one
>of them off. Tragedy!!
<considers Lian worriedly> Did you just say that with a gleeful
smile or did it just sound like that?
>>>> Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot.
>
>>>Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
>
>You've obviously not been checking out some of our more recent
>discussions... :)
You......!! that was a nasty trick the pair of you. Some of us
were actually worried about you, Lian; I was beginning to think
you'd been abducted and replaced with an atx-er.
>>>Easy, Caroline I didn't say people *will* get hurt,
>>>you can stop grinning now, and drop that chickenwire.
>
><Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing* underneath>
>Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
<Peers shortsightedly> What's she wearing underneath? I don't see
anything.
>>>The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when
she said "I'm going to washington in the morning"was crying out
Jealous!Scully so much that I was in awe.
>
>What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
<g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
>>>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>>>> Why Michele! I didn't know you and Cat were an item! How
>>>> long as this been going on? <vbg>
>
>>><grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I
>>>don't do fluffy creatures.
>
>But Cat says she's not fluffy....are you telling me this is not
>so?
No, Fluffy is my pet cat, aka Kittenkin.
>>>> Happens all the time in so called *great* romances.
>
>>>Tomorrow at Tara...
>
>Oh Mulder...whaaat will ah do?!
Don't worry. You'll always have Paris. <Michele looks very
comforted> <g>
>>>> I did! It's a cuddly fantasy...just that...cuddly Byers and
>>>> me...cuddling. <snicker>
>
>>>A CareByers ? Does he have a little red heart on the butt and
>>>comes in bright colours?
>
>A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said
>stifling laughter desperately>
"Comes in bright colours" is the bit that worries me.
>>><LOL> A lost cause then. <pouts>
>
>Yes that too..as she also has lousy directional sense. <g>
>And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs
>like hell before Caroline sees this>
<Nods> in the East Midlands, next door to Edinburgh-on-Trent.
Michele
Lian wrote:
> Michele wrote,
>
> [The Quest]
>
> >><grabbing huge syringe> Nope, I've got a healthy dose of Noromol right
> here. <G>
>
> Oh right...that's the stuff that zonks you out and then you sorta come too
> in a totally, unanimated state, and in a very droney tone of voice yammer on
> about how much you like Phoebe and Diana Fowley and how Bambi Berenbaum was
> just perfect for Mulder and then put on a flannel night shirt and some
> rabbit slippers and fall happily asleep right?
How did you know about the rabbit slippers???
> [French ways]
>
> >>Yup. We love to conform.
>
> Uh-huh...hence all the protest marches not to mention the Revolution. <g>
We were conforming to the will of the masses...
>
>
> >>> French are all great lovers with tremendous charisma,
>
> >>That's us all right. <Beaming smile>
>
> Right...except of course that there's always the exception that proves the
> rule. <she said not looking at any French woman on this ng in particular>
Ever heard of the exception which *enhances* the rule? <most unfeasible smug
smile>
> >>> a connoisseurs palate for wine and cheese,
>
> >>Exactly.
>
> And snails and Kermit legs.
Yummy, with lots of garlic. Snails tastes like mushrooms and frogs like chicken
you know?
> Nuh-uh...*smell* of garlic, *wear* onions...at least that's how all the best
> stereotypes dress. :)
Oh OK then if you say so, after all you're the expert <G>.
> Oh-ho-hooo! Nasty! And erm...aren't the Corsican's also famed for blood
> feuds against people who insult them? <snigger>
Er...yes? <looks nervously around for any Corsicans>
> >>> spending all their money on drink,
>
> >>Well, that's true for us too!
>
> It is?! Let us embrace oh fellow sterotype!! <bg>
< produces some nondescript alcoholic beverage> Damn right, let's have a
toast...
> >>> quoting lyrical poetry
> >>> and getting into fights, all the while putting on the poor mouth at the
> same>>> time as outwitting (in a charming way) the foreigners who come to
> visit
> >>> their shores....See? Lots of slots there!
>
> >>Insert coins.That a rather nice stereotype though.
>
> Hmph...not if you have to live with it 200 years after it was first created
> it aint.
But still, lyrical poetry...at least you're not considered like thick inebriated
bumpbkins like us.
> Heh heh...well whaddya know, maybe that bit about outwitting (in a charming
> way) people wasn't really a stereotype...<snicker>
<growls> Ever seen a stereotype with a shiner? Give them back!
> >>> [What DOES she think?!]
> I think that's kind of a given...most fanfic tends to lean that way, I've
> noted. FEAR!! <g>
Yeah, because it's the easy way to explain it.
> Well I'd have to agree that it wasn't *always* at the forefront of their
> minds, I mean if it was and they didn't do anything about it, they would be
> in need of some serious help. I just think there were moments..intimate
> moments when what was there in the background came rushing to the front is
> all.
OK, fair enough , but not as often as you shippers think.
> >>> [What next]
> >>But for people like me, it's gonna be kind of awkard.
>
> Fraid so...we should enrole you in a course, 112 step programe...
What are the topics ? <hopeful grin>
>
>
> >>> Those excuses being, that embarking on
> >>> a relationship per se, which would require physical commitments and all
> that
> >>> brings with it,
>
> >>Well after all the emotional commitments they already have I don't see
> what
> >>getting horizontal would change.
>
> Oh hell, it's not just the sex I'm referring to..
Sorry I thought it was what you meant by physical commitments <G> you know us,
dirty minded stereotypes and all that...
> it's the actual change in
> relationship that follows that. We're talking about all that stuff, that
> shippers actually fear about a relationship beginning on screen...the boring
> stuff...the arguments over moving in, over toothpaste squeezing, and toilet
> seats up or down, who gets to sleep on the left or right, and what they're
> having for dinner...those kind of physical commitments.
Well, this can be left off screen. The show never takes place in real time, so I
don't see why this should change.You can leave all the boring stuff, and focus
on how this is affecting their working relationship, I am reading this fic at
the moment which deals exactly with this issue, I think it's Jill Selby's Paper
Saints. And I can tell you that the little movie I've got in my head when I read
the stuff is far from boring.>>> is just not advisable in the constant life and
death
> Again not so much referring to an in or life or death scenario..as in there
> day to day work, how arguments at home will affect their working together,
> how embarking on a full fledged romance, would distract them from their
> work..for things like...alleyway shagathons and stuff. <g>
And you don't want to see this??? Madeleine! Help!
> >>*nothing* happens I 'll keep chanting "they are geeks, they are geeks" <G>
>
> Well they are...Mulder is the Handsome Prince of Geekonia... :)
The title fits him like a glove.<g> And Scully is ?
> [off-sreen relationship]
>
> I have to admit..that on occasion a *happy ever after ending* did seem to
> jar somewhat with the way the show is...and actually this is what initially
> led me to consider them finishing on the death of one (or both) of
> them...that earned me an earful from Caroline. <bg>
Well, I have to admit that would be the best ending for this kind of show.
> But conversely...when you consider all the rottenness they've both been
> through, wouldn't it be totally churlish of the writers to deny them at
> least that?
Deny them or deny us ?
> Heh..maybe they'll compromise...maybe in the final film,
> they'll allow them to get together and then at the end kill one of them
> off.Tragedy!!
And people never forget tragedies. Star crossed lovers and all that.
> [Mental Torture and Ally McBeal]
>
> >>> <examines nails, buffs them against shirt casually> We're talking full
> >>> Caroline defence mode here...what do you think? <g>
>
> >>Three words: Ten foot Pole.
>
> Ooh..he's a tall one! Didn't know Caroline was scared of Poles? Is he from
> Warsaw or Gdansk? <chuckle>
<LOL> Now, you're about to tell me something about Eastern Europe stereotypes,
aren't you?
>
>
> >>> Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot. <g>
>
> >>Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
>
> You've obviously not been checking out some of our more recent
> discussions... :)
Personality disorder.
>
>
> >>[ movie lurve]
>
> >>> Did you indicate preference of colour of hat to Fiona at all?
>
> >>Green alien goo colour, please
>
> A wise choice madam...may I suggest Alien Grey for the bobble?
I said NO BOBBLE!
> >>Awww, no fun. I thought True Love made people perfect and wear a lot of
> pink and kneel all the time.
>
> No, I think that's actually the Big Love..the local gay bar. <ooh..how's
> that for stereotyping!>
>
That's where Krycek hangs out. <G>
> >>The ones where said kneeling is involved? <equally hds>
>
> Depends on whether he's the one doing the kneeling really don't it? <g>
I ain't fussy.
> >>> [The Doctor is In!]
>
>
> >>I'm NOT signing anything with my blood!
>
> No need...ballpoint pen will do....now if you'll sign over your soul to
> me....
What soul?
>
>
> >>> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
> >>> Go for it girl! Just close yourself off from humanity emotionally about
> >>> 40-50% that ought to do it. <snigger>
>
> >>And people live like *this*??? <shivers>
>
> And amazingly manage to procreate too!
<put ands in front of mouth in horror> Really? How? By mail order ?
>
>
> What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
Well, yes, I did, I never said the girl wasn't territorial. But Jealousy doesn't
imply "mad lurve"
> >>< Holding cricket bat> HOWZAT? Umpire! Fiona wants to blow the wickets!
>
> Altogether now, a one and a two and a one two three....."Lucky Wickets!"
> <snigger>
<LOL> Works every time!
>
>
> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
> >><grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I don't do
> fluffy
> >>creatures.
>
> But Cat says she's not fluffy....are you telling me this is not so?
I'm not saying anything anymore. I can see you Mc Guire, trying to corner me
with deadly innuendos.
> >>Tomorrow at Tara...
>
> Oh Mulder...whaaat will ah do?!
Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn. <g>
Did you know that Clark Gable had to think about eating a steak, when he had to
kiss Vivien Leigh?
>
>
> >>> [The Closed Door metaphor]
>
>
> >><holding bleeding nose> Av vill kick yur aff MagGuoire! Ged Aod!
>
> I don't think so.... :) <settles down comfortably on water bed>
<Michele turns around to acknowlege someone outside the door>Ah! Agent Spender!
Come in, come in. Yes she's in there . Yup, she's been purring your name from
the beginning!
Here, have those cuffs, Irish temper you know...
<turns back towards Lian and waves devilishly>
Have a nice time sweetie!
<sound of locked metaphor>
>
>
> >>> [Fantasy with the gunmen]
>
> >>A CareByers ? Does he have a little red heart on the butt and comes in
> bright>>colours?
>
> A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said stifling
> laughter desperately>
<hangs head and mutters> Couldn't resist.
> >>> [the whisper]
> >>> It was getting on to the end of the snow scene...just as she was in mid
> >>> cuddle of Mulder, you know the bit, presses lips to head, places cheek
> on
> >>> head, gives shudder sigh, closes eyes...then opens them again....
>
> >>Yeah, yeah , yeah, I know the scene.
>
> I know...I just like talking about it...in great detail. :)))
I noticed.<grumbles>
> >>> was....ahem..."I love you."....<ducks rapidly>
>
> >>AHHHHRRRRR!!!! RUUUUBBBISHHH !!!! <grabs tape>
>
> BWAH HAH HAH HAAAH!! Tis true I tellsya!!!
I listen to said scene five times yesterday morning, and the only sound I coud
hear was the sound of a blocked nose.It *was* "snurfle"
> Nope...she luuuuuuurrrrrrrrves him. She said so. <bg>
You're soooo delusional.
>
>
>
> >>> > [A call for Woussies]
> >>Ow! Umm...no they're chocolate chips...<shows content with trembling hand>
>
> <eyes narrow to slits> Chocolate chip?! CHOCOLATE CHIP?!?!
Uh...yeah...<shifting feet uncomfortably> but they're home-made.
> [Caroline amazing sense of direction]
> And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs like hell
> before Caroline sees this>
<LOL> Yup, right near Dover <snigger>.
Michele
Cat wrote:
> >>>Easy, Caroline I didn't say people *will* get hurt,
> >>>you can stop grinning now, and drop that chickenwire.
> >
> ><Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing* underneath>
> >Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
>
> <Peers shortsightedly> What's she wearing underneath? I don't see
> anything.
<drags Cat away by the sleeve> you *don't* wanna see. You have to
retain *some* of your innocence.
> >What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
>
> <g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
<poker face> I did; it's done. See other thread.
> Fluffy is my pet cat, aka Kittenkin.
<shakes head> Kittenkin...<sighs> I don't know, I just don't know...
> >>>> Happens all the time in so called *great* romances.
> >
> >>>Tomorrow at Tara...
> >
> >Oh Mulder...whaaat will ah do?!
>
> Don't worry. You'll always have Paris. <Michele looks very
> comforted> <g>
<loaded Sig Sauer glare> Mmmmf!
> >A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said
> >stifling laughter desperately>
>
> "Comes in bright colours" is the bit that worries me.
<Jerry Springer's voice> That's what I call ENTERTAINMENT!
--
HANL
Michele.
PS:Hey Cat, I've christened the camel! <now talking about cryptic
messages...>
Cat
>Cat wrote:
<drop that chickenwire>
>> ><Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing*
>> >underneath> Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
>>
>> see anything.
>
><drags Cat away by the sleeve> you *don't* wanna see. You have
>to retain *some* of your innocence.
<shrugs off jacket and turns back> Oh but I *do* wanna see <bg>.
>> <g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
>
><poker face> I did; it's done. See other thread.
Haven't read it yet, but I've complete faith in your ability to
lose ship arguments.
>> Fluffy is my pet cat, aka Kittenkin.
>
><shakes head> Kittenkin...<sighs> I don't know, I just don't
>know...
<sighs> I tried to explain, "kin" is just a diminutive, like
catkin or mannikin; doesn't mean we're related. Whose language is
it anyway? Why don't you ever believe me?! Some people are *so*
stubborn!
>> Don't worry. You'll always have Paris.
>
><loaded Sig Sauer glare> Mmmmf!
Bless you <hands Michele a hanky>.
> PS:Hey Cat, I've christened the camel! <now talking about
>cryptic messages...>
Ooh, what then?
Cat
>Lian wrote:
>> >>> French are all great lovers with tremendous charisma,
>>
>> that proves the rule. <she said not looking at any French
>> woman on this ng in particular>
>
>Ever heard of the exception which *enhances* the rule? <most
>unfeasible smug smile>
Er, nope. Anyone heard that one? Anyone? <distant pealing of
churchbells, the wind picks up, chestnut leaves rustle in eddies,
a clock strikes midnight softly>.
>But still, lyrical poetry...at least you're not considered like
>thick inebriated bumpbkins like us.
Hey, another of those -kin diminutives. I'm always right y'know.
>> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>I'm not saying anything anymore. I can see you Mc Guire, trying
>to corner me with deadly innuendos.
Oh but if she corners you won't that make me jealous? <eg>.
>Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn. <g>
>
>Did you know that Clark Gable had to think about eating a steak,
>when he had to kiss Vivien Leigh?
I thought it was she had the problem, with his false teeth
smelling bad.
Michele
Cat wrote:
> Michele wrote:
> >Cat wrote:
> <drop that chickenwire>
> >> ><Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing*
> >> >underneath> Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
> >>
> >> <Peers shortsightedly> What's she wearing underneath? I don't
> >> see anything.
> >
> ><drags Cat away by the sleeve> you *don't* wanna see. You have
> >to retain *some* of your innocence.
>
> <shrugs off jacket and turns back> Oh but I *do* wanna see <bg>.
<shrugs> Oh, OK, then go ahead, after all I guess most of the damage
is done already, can't get any worse, can it ?
< turns towards NG official therapist> Can it ? Now you 're scaring
me!
> Haven't read it yet, but I've complete faith in your ability to
> lose ship arguments.
Says the girl who keeps reapeating that she " hates it when I'm
right" <smug grin>
> [ Kittenkin.]
>
> <sighs> I tried to explain, "kin" is just a diminutive, like
> catkin or mannikin; doesn't mean we're related.
Weeelllll...we'll need a DNA test on this.
> Whose language is
> it anyway?
Yours, I'm merely borrowing it for a while.<G>
> Why don't you ever believe me?!
Do you want a nice answer or a true answer ??? <snigger>
> Some people are *so*
> stubborn!
Indeed some people are, I'm so glad I'm not like this. <angelic
smile>
>
>
> >> Don't worry. You'll always have Paris.
> >
> ><loaded Sig Sauer glare> Mmmmf!
>
> Bless you <hands Michele a hanky>.
Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for me
sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
>
>
> > PS:Hey Cat, I've christened the camel! <now talking about
> >cryptic messages...>
>
> Ooh, what then?
<Huge Grin> Walter.--
Michele
Cat wrote:
> Michele wrote:
>
> >But still, lyrical poetry...at least you're not considered like
> >thick inebriated bumpbkins like us.
>
> Hey, another of those -kin diminutives.
Bump-kin : cousin of the Bumps? Nah!
> I'm always right y'know.
AH !
>
>
> >> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
> >I'm not saying anything anymore. I can see you Mc Guire, trying
> >to corner me with deadly innuendos.
>
> Oh but if she corners you won't that make me jealous? <eg>.
<Sighs> Caaaat ? Drop that Gertrude Stein book right NOW !
> >Did you know that Clark Gable had to think about eating a steak,
> >when he had to kiss Vivien Leigh?
>
> I thought it was she had the problem, with his false teeth
> smelling bad.
Eugh ! Yuck! I didn't know that ! Kills the myth, uh?--
Cat
>Cat wrote:
>> <drop that chickenwire>
>
><shrugs> Oh, OK, then go ahead, after all I guess most of the
>damage is done already, can't get any worse, can it ?
><turns towards NG official therapist> Can it ? Now you're
>scaring me!
We have a therapist?! Where? why didn't you say before? Bit late
now.
>> Haven't read it yet, but I've complete faith in your ability
>> to lose ship arguments.
>
>Says the girl who keeps reapeating that she " hates it when I'm
>right" <smug grin>
He he, when've you ever been right about the ship though? I think
the film pretty much vindicated my position; not much more to say
:-)
>> [ Kittenkin.]
>> <sighs> I tried to explain, "kin" is just a diminutive, like
>> catkin or mannikin; doesn't mean we're related.
>
>Weeelllll...we'll need a DNA test on this.
IIRC PCRs are my job round here - you going to trust the results?
>> Whose language is it anyway?
>
>Yours, I'm merely borrowing it for a while.<G>
I'm taking it back if you keep abusing it.
>> Bless you <hands Michele a hanky>.
>
>Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for
>me sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
<snuffles mournfully> You keep it, I'll just use this old sock...
>> > PS:Hey Cat, I've christened the camel! <now talking about
>> >cryptic messages...>
>>
>> Ooh, what then?
>
><Huge Grin> Walter.--
<LOL> You evil woman you.
Cat
>Cat wrote:
>> >> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>
><Sighs> Caaaat ? Drop that Gertrude Stein book right NOW !
'kay. I never liked her anyway.
<Clark Gable & Vivien Leigh>
>> I thought it was she had the problem, with his false teeth
>> smelling bad.
>
>Eugh ! Yuck! I didn't know that ! Kills the myth, uh?--
Atlanta burning is the only fun bit. And Ashley looks just like
my grandfather which never helps.
Michele
Cat wrote:
> We have a therapist?! Where? why didn't you say before? Bit late
> now.
It's never to late, to go back to normalcy. Chuck all your X-F tapes,
remove all your X-F posters (and this huge Xena thingy while you're
at it <g>) erase every X-F related thing from your hard drive...oh,
and don't forget the zip disks as well <g>. Burn all your DTAs as
well as the comics and miscellaneous books. And use that X-F T-shirt
of yours to polish your shoes.
There ! Normal now, feeling better already, uh? Uh?
> He he, when've you ever been right about the ship though?
Always. You're just too delusional to admit it. <BG>
> I think
> the film pretty much vindicated my position; not much more to say
> :-)
The film didn't prove ANYTHING ! It was like a stand alone episode.
> >> [ Kittenkin.]
> >>Weeelllll...we'll need a DNA test on this.
> IIRC PCRs are my job round here - you going to trust the results?
Yup, I trust your scientific integrity. One has to put one's faith
*somewhere*.( But I might have it double checked, just in case <g>)
> >> Whose language is it anyway?
> >
> >Yours, I'm merely borrowing it for a while.<G>
>
> I'm taking it back if you keep abusing it.
Oh, ok then. So I guess I have to write in French now...<wg>
> >Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for
> >me sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
>
> <snuffles mournfully> You keep it, I'll just use this old sock...
Is it grey ? If it is let me tell you that you *do* need help.[ A
christened Camel ]
> >> Ooh, what then?
> >><Huge Grin> Walter.--
>
> <LOL> You evil woman you.
Well, camels are a pain in the ass too, ya know?
Anyway, I think I'd better go back and get on with it, since "it is
awfully quiet around here, Mr Mulder." My mail box is full of
uninterresting rambling from the French mailing list and it seems
that you're the only reg who have posted anything this sunday.
Now I know that our fave editor is slaving away on DTA, but it seems
that I haven't seen anything from Jules or Fiona on the NG for quite
a while.
<Yells> WOUSSIES ???
Oh well, I'm off now, Fowley is getting acquainted with Scully's
driving skills, eh eh eh !!!
Caroline Smith
> >>Michele wrote:
> >Heh..maybe they'll compromise...maybe in the final film,
> >they'll allow them to get together and then at the end kill one
> >of them off. Tragedy!!
>
She said it gleefully the little sod. I could see her grin flashing bright
from here. She's one of these people who repeatedly kills Mulder in
the XF game just for the thrill of seeing Scully lobbing seeds on his
grave <snicker>
> >>>Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
> >
> >You've obviously not been checking out some of our more recent
> >discussions... :)
>
> You......!! that was a nasty trick the pair of you. Some of us
> were actually worried about you, Lian; I was beginning to think
> you'd been abducted and replaced with an atx-er.
<LOL> We apologised already! I love it how you stayed out of the
way and watched to see whether we'd rip each other to shreds
<snicker> We're just wimps though, we have to face up to this fact.
> ><Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing* underneath>
> >Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
>
> <Peers shortsightedly> What's she wearing underneath? I don't see
> anything.
Howsabout if I do this....
<bg>
> >>>The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when
> she said "I'm going to washington in the morning"was crying out
> Jealous!Scully so much that I was in awe.
> >
> >What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
>
> <g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
Yup. We're waiting.
> >>>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
> >>><grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I
> >>>don't do fluffy creatures.
> >
> >But Cat says she's not fluffy....are you telling me this is not
> >so?
>
> No, Fluffy is my pet cat, aka Kittenkin.
And god forbid anyone got the two mixed up.
I'm so shocked and disappointed no one has made the obvious
joke here.
<shakes head> I'm going to have to leave you to think about that.
(cos I don't have the guts <g>)
>
> >A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said
> >stifling laughter desperately>
>
> "Comes in bright colours" is the bit that worries me.
<LOL> That's disgusting.
<sniff> I'm so <wipes eyes> PROUD of you :-)
> >Yes that too..as she also has lousy directional sense. <g>
> >And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs
> >like hell before Caroline sees this>
>
> <Nods> in the East Midlands, next door to Edinburgh-on-Trent.
Keep laughing McGuire, you're gonna be the one holding
the map :-)
ADBB,
Caroline.
Caroline Smith
> > <drop that chickenwire>
> > >> >underneath> Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
> > >>
> > >> see anything.
> > >
> > >to retain *some* of your innocence.
> >
<LOL> I just stumbled onto this little discussion. Cat, honey, it's
really nothing worth straining your eyes over <snicker> 'cept when
I do this....
<hds>
> <shrugs> Oh, OK, then go ahead, after all I guess most of the damage
> is done already, can't get any worse, can it ?
> < turns towards NG official therapist> Can it ? Now you 're scaring
> me!
<therapist nods and points to diagram on far left wall>
Holy shit, not even I knew that was a possibilty. But wow,
that's kinda a unique angle anyways...
> > [ Kittenkin.]
> > <sighs> I tried to explain, "kin" is just a diminutive, like
> > catkin or mannikin; doesn't mean we're related.
>
> Weeelllll...we'll need a DNA test on this.
<whips out shrink wrapped syringe and a big grin>
Doctor, the turnyquet please.
>
> > Bless you <hands Michele a hanky>.
>
> Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for me
> sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
Well, you know she is kinda weird, I wouldn't put a thing past her.
> > > PS:Hey Cat, I've christened the camel! <now talking about
> > >cryptic messages...>
> >
> > Ooh, what then?
>
> <Huge Grin> Walter.--
<LOL> I'm not making any gags about humping.
ADBB,
Caroline.
Caroline Smith
> > now.
>
> It's never to late, to go back to normalcy. Chuck all your X-F tapes,
> remove all your X-F posters (and this huge Xena thingy while you're
> at it <g>) erase every X-F related thing from your hard drive...oh,
> and don't forget the zip disks as well <g>. Burn all your DTAs as
> well as the comics and miscellaneous books. And use that X-F T-shirt
> of yours to polish your shoes.
> There ! Normal now, feeling better already, uh? Uh?
Well I don't know about Cat but I feel dandy. So you all want
your subscription money back then?
PS - sad but true, I have more XF t-shirts than pairs of shoes.
God, kill me now. I don't wear any of them though, cept one that
says Demerol and that Fibbie one cos they're cryptic <bg>
> > I think the film pretty much vindicated my position; not much more to
say
> > :-)
>
> The film didn't prove ANYTHING ! It was like a stand alone episode.
Do I have to let loose with that scream thing again or were you saying
that in a positive way? <g>
> > >Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for
> > >me sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
> >
> > <snuffles mournfully> You keep it, I'll just use this old sock...
>
> Is it grey ? If it is let me tell you that you *do* need help.
Nothing wrong with grey socks. Nothing. They're very very romantic.
I'm wearing a pair right now.
And <checks> Um, that seems to be all I'm wearing.
Excuse me a minute will you?
[ A christened Camel ]
>
> > >> Ooh, what then?
> > >><Huge Grin> Walter.--
> >
> > <LOL> You evil woman you.
>
> Well, camels are a pain in the ass too, ya know?
<vbg> Are we talking literally or metaphorically there?
> Anyway, I think I'd better go back and get on with it, since "it is
> awfully quiet around here, Mr Mulder." My mail box is full of
> uninterresting rambling from the French mailing list and it seems
> that you're the only reg who have posted anything this sunday.
> Now I know that our fave editor is slaving away on DTA,
Actually I seem to have posted more this weekend than I have
all week! I made sense of the votes and wrote a review and um,
that was that. I will go and do more.
Soon <snicker>
> but it seems
> that I haven't seen anything from Jules or Fiona on the NG for quite
> a while. <Yells> WOUSSIES ???
when's Fi off to the States?
> Oh well, I'm off now, Fowley is getting acquainted with Scully's
> driving skills, eh eh eh !!!
>
Don't suppose I can put in a request for Fowley to be mangled
beyond belief in a wicked car crash from which Scully escapes
with merely a small wound to that hairline place she always gets
whacked on?
No?
Damn.
<g>
ADBB,
Caroline.
Cat
>Michele wrote:
>> Cat wrote:
>> > ><drags Cat away by the sleeve> you *don't* wanna see. You
>> > >have to retain *some* of your innocence.
>> >
>> > <shrugs off jacket and turns back> Oh but I *do* wanna see
>> > <bg>.
>
><LOL> I just stumbled onto this little discussion. Cat, honey,
>it's really nothing worth straining your eyes over <snicker>
>'cept when I do this....<hds>
Aaaarrrrghhh my eyes, I'm blind, I'm blind <vbg>.
>> <shrugs> Oh, OK, then go ahead, after all I guess most of the
>> damage is done already, can't get any worse, can it?
>> <turns towards NG official therapist> Can it? Now you're
>> scaring me!
>
><therapist nods and points to diagram on far left wall>
>Holy shit, not even I knew that was a possibilty. But wow,
>that's kinda a unique angle anyways...
Wha'?! *Caroline's* the therapist?? That explains everything!
>> Weeelllll...we'll need a DNA test on this.
>
><whips out shrink wrapped syringe and a big grin>
>Doctor, the turnyquet please.
No, no, I can take my own blood samples thanks. Unless this is
going to hurt in a good way? <trusting smile>
>> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for me
>> sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
>
>Well, you know she is kinda weird, I wouldn't put a thing past
>her.
Who me? <wide eyed innocence>
<Camel christening>
>> <Huge Grin> Walter.--
>
><LOL> I'm not making any gags about humping.
Oh believe me, Julie left few unmade <bg>.
Michele
Caroline Smith wrote:
> Michele wrote:
> > The film didn't prove ANYTHING ! It was like a stand alone episode.
>
> Do I have to let loose with that scream thing again or were you saying
> that in a positive way? <g>
It was said in a poasitive Noromo way. <g> Come on give us a scream Smith !
> Nothing wrong with grey socks. Nothing. They're very very romantic.
> I'm wearing a pair right now.
TSK!
> And <checks> Um, that seems to be all I'm wearing.
> Excuse me a minute will you?
I knew she was going to have *this* kind of weekend...<chuckles>
>
>
> [ A christened Camel ]
>
> > Well, camels are a pain in the ass too, ya know?
>
> <vbg> Are we talking literally or metaphorically there?
Both. <HG>
> when's Fi off to the States?
Hey Fi! I want a Mulder lollipop !
>
>
> > Oh well, I'm off now, Fowley is getting acquainted with Scully's
> > driving skills, eh eh eh !!!
> >
> Don't suppose I can put in a request for Fowley to be mangled
> beyond belief in a wicked car crash from which Scully escapes
> with merely a small wound to that hairline place she always gets
> whacked on?
> No?
> Damn.
Aww, come on! it would spoil all the fun, if she were to die now!
Michele
Caroline Smith wrote:
> Cat <gilham@nildramREMOVE_THIS.co.uk> wrote in article
> > Lian wrote
>
[killing Mulder]
> > <considers Lian worriedly> Did you just say that with a gleeful
> > smile or did it just sound like that?
>
> She said it gleefully the little sod. I could see her grin flashing bright
> from here. She's one of these people who repeatedly kills Mulder in
> the XF game just for the thrill of seeing Scully lobbing seeds on his
> grave <snicker>
<Michele waves madly towards Lian> HEY! Me too, me too !!! I just looooove
that scene! <happy grin>
>
>
> > >>>The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when
> > she said "I'm going to washington in the morning"was crying out
> > Jealous!Scully so much that I was in awe.
> > >
> > >What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
> >
> > <g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
>
> Yup. We're waiting.
>
Territorialism. You don't have to be in love to be jealous.<narrow eyes> And
don't start with me or I give up the MSR plot in my fic.
> [Kittenkin. ]
>
> And god forbid anyone got the two mixed up.
> I'm so shocked and disappointed no one has made the obvious
> joke here.
Because it *was* obvious. <g>
> <shakes head> I'm going to have to leave you to think about that.
> (cos I don't have the guts <g>)
Woussie! <says the girl who doesn't have the guts either.>--
Lian
Michele wrote in message <363098A1...@nottingham.ac.uk>...
>Lian wrote:
>> Michele wrote,
>> [The Quest]
>> >><grabbing huge syringe> Nope, I've got a healthy dose of Noromol right
>> here. <G>
>> Oh right...that's the stuff that zonks you out and then you sorta come
too
>> in a totally, unanimated state, and in a very droney tone of voice yammer
on
>> about how much you like Phoebe and Diana Fowley and how Bambi Berenbaum
was just perfect for Mulder and then put on a flannel night shirt and some
>> rabbit slippers and fall happily asleep right?
>How did you know about the rabbit slippers???
<long protracted silence...>....Erm...<mumbles> Furfllenurfle....told me.
>> [French ways]
>> >>Yup. We love to conform.
>> Uh-huh...hence all the protest marches not to mention the Revolution. <g>
>We were conforming to the will of the masses...
But you *were* the masses!!
>> >>> French are all great lovers with tremendous charisma,
>> >>That's us all right. <Beaming smile>
>> Right...except of course that there's always the exception that proves
the
>> rule. <she said not looking at any French woman on this ng in particular>
>Ever heard of the exception which *enhances* the rule? <most unfeasible
smug
>smile>
No. <ridiculously smug smile>
>> >>> a connoisseurs palate for wine and cheese,
>> >>Exactly.
>> And snails and Kermit legs.
>Yummy, with lots of garlic. Snails tastes like mushrooms and frogs like
chicken
>you know?
<bg> So boil up some snails and roast some frogs and you'd have a substitute
for chicken in mushroom sauce...is this what you're trying to tell me?
>> Nuh-uh...*smell* of garlic, *wear* onions...at least that's how all the
best
>> stereotypes dress. :)
>Oh OK then if you say so, after all you're the expert <G>.
Ah sure'n begorrah aren't you so right about that...
>> Oh-ho-hooo! Nasty! And erm...aren't the Corsican's also famed for blood
>> feuds against people who insult them? <snigger>
>Er...yes? <looks nervously around for any Corsicans>
I believe poison and daggers in the night are their preferred use of come
back. :)
>> >>> spending all their money on drink,
>> >>Well, that's true for us too!
>> It is?! Let us embrace oh fellow sterotype!! <bg>
>< produces some nondescript alcoholic beverage> Damn right, let's have a
>toast...
<clink glasses> Slainte! <swigs it back>
>> >>> quoting lyrical poetry
>> >>> and getting into fights, all the while putting on the poor mouth at
the
>> same>>> time as outwitting (in a charming way) the foreigners who come to
>> visit their shores....See? Lots of slots there!
>> >>Insert coins.That a rather nice stereotype though.
>> Hmph...not if you have to live with it 200 years after it was first
created
>> it aint.
>But still, lyrical poetry...at least you're not considered like thick
inebriated
>bumpbkins like us.
What? I never heard *that* about the French!!
>> Heh heh...well whaddya know, maybe that bit about outwitting (in a
charming
>> way) people wasn't really a stereotype...<snicker>
><growls> Ever seen a stereotype with a shiner? Give them back!
Ny'ahhh....did I mention we can also run really fast!! Bye!! <takes
off...stops after a couple of steps, panting...>Damn...I *would* have to be
the exception...
>> >>> [What DOES she think?!]
>> Well I'd have to agree that it wasn't *always* at the forefront of their
>> minds, I mean if it was and they didn't do anything about it, they would
be
>> in need of some serious help. I just think there were moments..intimate
>> moments when what was there in the background came rushing to the front
is
>> all.
>OK, fair enough , but not as often as you shippers think.
But more often then you no-romo's do... :)
>> >>> [What next]
>> >>But for people like me, it's gonna be kind of awkard.
>> Fraid so...we should enrole you in a course, 112 step programe...
>What are the topics ? <hopeful grin>
1)Basic acceptance of love.
2)Basic acceptance of deeper than friendship love.
3)Basic acceptance of non brotherly/sisterly love.
4)Basic acceptance of ....
and so on and so forth...do you see a pattern emerging here?
[Why M&S haven't done it]
>> >>> Those excuses being, that embarking on
>> >>> a relationship per se, which would require physical commitments and
all
>> that brings with it,
>> >>Well after all the emotional commitments they already have I don't see
>> what getting horizontal would change.
>> Oh hell, it's not just the sex I'm referring to..
>Sorry I thought it was what you meant by physical commitments <G> you know
us,
>dirty minded stereotypes and all that...
No..I know nothing of dirty minded stereotypes...<bg>
>> it's the actual change in
>> relationship that follows that. We're talking about all that stuff, that
>> shippers actually fear about a relationship beginning on screen...the
boring
>> stuff...the arguments over moving in, over toothpaste squeezing, and
toilet
>> seats up or down, who gets to sleep on the left or right, and what
they're
>> having for dinner...those kind of physical commitments.
>Well, this can be left off screen. The show never takes place in real time,
so I
>don't see why this should change.You can leave all the boring stuff, and
focus
>on how this is affecting their working relationship,
Yeah..but that's just it! Their home life and all the crappy little things
going on in it would affect their working relationship...and little bickery
arguments would break out, it happens to us all after we spend so much time
together. It'd be bloody hard to leave out. And even if you did leave it
off screen...that doesn't take away them worrying about how *that* might
affect their working relationship, before they take that step, which is
kinda what we're talking about here, right? Reasons why they haven't taken
that step?
>I am reading this fic at
>the moment which deals exactly with this issue, I think it's Jill Selby's
Paper
>Saints. And I can tell you that the little movie I've got in my head when I
read
>the stuff is far from boring. is just not advisable in the constant life
and
>death
I think for hardcore fans like us..people who revel in every little detail
of the duo and their lives, I would have to say it probably wouldn't be all
that boring to us. But you know how it goes, once they get people together
and start dealing with these issues loads of people just switch
off...they're only their for the romance and tension. And apart from that
unless it was done by a well balanced experienced hand it could bog the show
down faster than a 48 hour rainstorm would a car in the Sahara.
>> Again not so much referring to an in or life or death scenario..as in
there
>> day to day work, how arguments at home will affect their working
together,
>> how embarking on a full fledged romance, would distract them from their
>> work..for things like...alleyway shagathons and stuff. <g>
>And you don't want to see this??? Madeleine! Help!
<bg> Did I say that? Did I SAY that?!? I think not....
>> >>*nothing* happens I 'll keep chanting "they are geeks, they are geeks"
<G>
>> Well they are...Mulder is the Handsome Prince of Geekonia... :)
>The title fits him like a glove.<g> And Scully is ?
Queen Dana of Frigia. <snicker>
>> [off-sreen relationship]
>> I have to admit..that on occasion a *happy ever after ending* did seem to
>> jar somewhat with the way the show is...and actually this is what
initially
>> led me to consider them finishing on the death of one (or both) of
>> them...that earned me an earful from Caroline. <bg>
>Well, I have to admit that would be the best ending for this kind of show.
Killing one or both off? Yeah..it would seem to run true to form...but it
wouldn't happen till one of the movies, and even then when it comes down to
it Mulder and Scully have moved into the Pantheon of Media Heroes and
Americans' just don't kill off their heroes even in dark stuff.
>> But conversely...when you consider all the rottenness they've both been
>> through, wouldn't it be totally churlish of the writers to deny them at
>> least that?
>Deny them or deny us ?
Both...definitely both.
>> Heh..maybe they'll compromise...maybe in the final film,
>> they'll allow them to get together and then at the end kill one of them
>> off.Tragedy!!
>And people never forget tragedies. Star crossed lovers and all that.
True enough, it certainly strikes home to people a lot more if they get
together (or are just about to) and then are ripped apart, all they have is
that "purely perfect moment" But to be fair the longest lasting (in peoples
minds) are those tragedies that are told and re told like Romeo and Juliet
or Lancelot/Guinevere/Arthur and constantly remade...but this isn't the same
thing...they aren't going to be remade, no one else is going to be cast.
And the modern "greats" tend to go more for the Casablanca or Gone With the
Wind endings..not together but there's hope.
>> [Mental Torture and Ally McBeal]
>> >>> <examines nails, buffs them against shirt casually> We're talking
full
>> >>> Caroline defence mode here...what do you think? <g>
>> >>Three words: Ten foot Pole.
>> Ooh..he's a tall one! Didn't know Caroline was scared of Poles? Is he
from
>> Warsaw or Gdansk? <chuckle>
><LOL> Now, you're about to tell me something about Eastern Europe
stereotypes,
>aren't you?
From the sounds of that..I don't think I need to. :)
>> >>> Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot. <g>
>> >>Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
>> You've obviously not been checking out some of our more recent
>> discussions... :)
>Personality disorder.
<vbg> The question is...which personality?
>> >>[ movie lurve]
>>
>> >>> Did you indicate preference of colour of hat to Fiona at all?
>> >>Green alien goo colour, please
>> A wise choice madam...may I suggest Alien Grey for the bobble?
>I said NO BOBBLE!
I know. <huge grin>
>> >>Awww, no fun. I thought True Love made people perfect and wear a lot of
>> pink and kneel all the time.
>> No, I think that's actually the Big Love..the local gay bar. <ooh..how's
>> that for stereotyping!>
>That's where Krycek hangs out. <G>
And Skinner..maybe...Skinhead...definitely.
>> >>The ones where said kneeling is involved? <equally hds>
>> Depends on whether he's the one doing the kneeling really don't it? <g>
>I ain't fussy.
Not selfish neither. ;)
>> >>> [The Doctor is In!]
>> >>I'm NOT signing anything with my blood!
>> No need...ballpoint pen will do....now if you'll sign over your soul to
>> me....
>What soul?
That one there..that little black thing currently hiding behind your
pancreas. :)
>> >>> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>> >>> Go for it girl! Just close yourself off from humanity emotionally
about
>> >>> 40-50% that ought to do it. <snigger>
>> >>And people live like *this*??? <shivers>
>> And amazingly manage to procreate too!
><put ands in front of mouth in horror> Really? How? By mail order ?
You know all that stuff about the Stork? Well in certain parts of the
world....
[The Green eyed Monster...]
>> What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
>Well, yes, I did, I never said the girl wasn't territorial. But Jealousy
doesn't
>imply "mad lurve"
No..no it doesn't..but territorialism like that, implies "mad" something...
>> >>< Holding cricket bat> HOWZAT? Umpire! Fiona wants to blow the wickets!
>> Altogether now, a one and a two and a one two three....."Lucky Wickets!"
>> <snigger>
><LOL> Works every time!
The Classics never die! <bg>
>> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>> >><grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I don't do
>> fluffy creatures.
>> But Cat says she's not fluffy....are you telling me this is not so?
>I'm not saying anything anymore. I can see you Mc Guire, trying to corner
me
>with deadly innuendos.
Pleading the 5th does not extend to Innuendo...we can take you in the back
and subject you to tortures that men's minds *have* conceived...do I need to
make myself clearer?
>> >>Tomorrow at Tara...
>> Oh Mulder...whaaat will ah do?!
>Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn. <g>
Tch!! Our Mulder would never say that...nuh-uh..not ever. :)
>Did you know that Clark Gable had to think about eating a steak, when he
had to
>kiss Vivien Leigh?
Yeah, and he did that all the time for his love scenes apparantly...he liked
to say that's how he got that "melty" look in his eyes...chauvinist pig.
<bg>
>> >>> [The Closed Door metaphor]
>> >><holding bleeding nose> Av vill kick yur aff MagGuoire! Ged Aod!
>> I don't think so.... :) <settles down comfortably on water bed>
><Michele turns around to acknowlege someone outside the door>Ah! Agent
Spender!
>Come in, come in. Yes she's in there . Yup, she's been purring your name
from
>the beginning!
>Here, have those cuffs, Irish temper you know...
><turns back towards Lian and waves devilishly>
>Have a nice time sweetie!
><sound of locked metaphor>
Eep...<sound of frantic scrambling, crashing furniture and a gun shot> Hah!
Mulder has his hidden holster I have mine!! And stay down you!! I'll get
you a catheter to pee out of in a minute...first I have some unfinished
business! GIRARD!! You're a dead woman!!!<metaphor get's lock blasted off of
it> Prepare to meet Messrs Smith and Wesson, up close and personal!!
>> >>> [Fantasy with the gunmen]
>> >>A CareByers ? Does he have a little red heart on the butt and comes in
>> bright>>colours?
>> A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said stifling
>> laughter desperately>
><hangs head and mutters> Couldn't resist.
Actually..god help me...I like it. CareByers it is. :)
>> >>> [the whisper]
>> >>> It was getting on to the end of the snow scene...just as she was in
mid
>> >>> cuddle of Mulder, you know the bit, presses lips to head, places
cheek
>> on head, gives shudder sigh, closes eyes...then opens them again....
>> >>Yeah, yeah , yeah, I know the scene.
>> I know...I just like talking about it...in great detail. :)))
>I noticed.<grumbles>
I noticed you're noticing....
>> >>> was....ahem..."I love you."....<ducks rapidly>
>> >>AHHHHRRRRR!!!! RUUUUBBBISHHH !!!! <grabs tape>
>> BWAH HAH HAH HAAAH!! Tis true I tellsya!!!
>I listen to said scene five times yesterday morning, and the only sound I
coud
>hear was the sound of a blocked nose.It *was* "snurfle"
T'wasn't...and I am unanimous in that.
>> Nope...she luuuuuuurrrrrrrrves him. She said so. <bg>
>You're soooo delusional.
Said the kettle to the pot.... :)
>> >>> > [A call for Woussies]
>> >>Ow! Umm...no they're chocolate chips...<shows content with trembling
hand>
>> <eyes narrow to slits> Chocolate chip?! CHOCOLATE CHIP?!?!
>Uh...yeah...<shifting feet uncomfortably> but they're home-made.
<snaffles two> Cool...I like Chocolate chip...
>> [Caroline amazing sense of direction]
>> And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs like hell
>> before Caroline sees this>
><LOL> Yup, right near Dover <snigger>.
And next door to Cardiff. <g> Caroline should be arriving for Uxmas around
about Easter....
NWWY
Lian
JLB
1998, Michele writes
>
>
>JLB wrote:
>
>> >angles with Scully as mediator in the bed. Mrs Scully does
>> >love him though. Like he was her own child.
>>
>> Son-in-law? <g>
>
>what we needed another shipper, and articulate at that, <sighs wearily> I think
>I need a holiday really.
><grabs skin-tight Maine Tee Shirt and a cool pair of shades>Adieu les amis...
><sound of nondescript classical music starts, stops abruptly, only to be
>replaced by very loud Jimi Hendrix guitar sound, tee shirt is being used to wipe
>windscreen.>
>
>
>> Time to give Mulder's VCR a rest, I say, and then maybe he can sell his
>> shares in Kleenex .... <bg>
>
>
Sure, haven't you heard? The latest Dr Scully prescription against
cold: take one warm Mulder, undress him carefully, rub vigorously all
over with a grey sock until extra heat generated, then slip quickly into
a sleeping bag and apply to affected parts <ubg>
--
Jan
Michele
Lian wrote:
> Michele wrote >How did you know about the rabbit slippers???
>
> <long protracted silence...>....Erm...<mumbles> Furfllenurfle....told me.
That's your informant? That's even more ridiculous a name than Covarubias!
>
>
> >> [French ways]
>
> >We were conforming to the will of the masses...
>
> But you *were* the masses!!
Exactly, that's French logic for you! Best way to get what you want...
> <bg> So boil up some snails and roast some frogs and you'd have a substitute
> for chicken in mushroom sauce...is this what you're trying to tell me?
If you don't mind chicken with webbed feet and mushrooms with antennas, then yes
you could say that.
> >> Oh-ho-hooo! Nasty! And erm...aren't the Corsican's also famed for blood
> >> feuds against people who insult them? <snigger>
>
> >Er...yes? <looks nervously around for any Corsicans>
>
> I believe poison and daggers in the night are their preferred use of come
> back. :)
Very funny. <looks nervously around, and stares suspiciously at coffee> I think
I need to put more distance between Corsica and me.
> >< produces some nondescript alcoholic beverage> Damn right, let's have a
> >toast...
>
> <clink glasses> Slainte! <swigs it back>
Slainte ? Oh, ok, then, <raises glass>Tchin!
> >But still, lyrical poetry...at least you're not considered like thick
> inebriated >bumpbkins like us.
>
> What? I never heard *that* about the French!!
Well that's what the Parisians say of us (the rest of France)
> >> >>> [What DOES she think?!]
>
> >OK, fair enough , but not as often as you shippers think.
>
> But more often then you no-romo's do... :)
Yada yada yada...
>
>
> >> >>> [What next]
>
> >What are the topics ? <hopeful grin>
>
> 1)Basic acceptance of love.
I can do that, I accept that Fowley loves Mulder, and Krycek loves Marita. <g>
> 2)Basic acceptance of deeper than friendship love.
That would be Krycek and Mulder then. <Elbows Cat and whispers: "Don't say I
never did nothing for ya!">
> 3)Basic acceptance of non brotherly/sisterly love.
Sure! Dana hates Bill now. No more brotherly love there.
> 4)Basic acceptance of ....
> and so on and so forth...do you see a pattern emerging here?
Er, they all love each other except Mulder and Scully ? <batting eyelids
innocently>
[Consummated professionals]
> Yeah..but that's just it! Their home life and all the crappy little things
> going on in it would affect their working relationship...and little bickery
> arguments would break out, it happens to us all after we spend so much time
> together. It'd be bloody hard to leave out. And even if you did leave it
> off screen...that doesn't take away them worrying about how *that* might
> affect their working relationship, before they take that step, which is
> kinda what we're talking about here, right? Reasons why they haven't taken
> that step?
I think that was where we started yes.;-) Anyway I see your point. But IMO it
all depends how this is written.I am sure it could be very carefully engineered
(provided they lock Shiban in a cellar.)
And then again when you say "it happens to us all after we spend so much time
together" wasn't it agreed, on another thread that M&S didn't behave like normal
people anyway ?
So couldn't their "abnormality" allow them to compartementalize efficiently work
and private life ? It wouldn't be more farfetched than two madly in love people
doing strictly nothing about it ? Non ?
> I think for hardcore fans like us..people who revel in every little detail
> of the duo and their lives, I would have to say it probably wouldn't be all
> that boring to us. But you know how it goes, once they get people together
> and start dealing with these issues loads of people just switch
> off...they're only their for the romance and tension.
Nah! They are here for the plot, the aliens and the conspiracies. Apparently a
French survey revealed that a frighteningly high percentage of the population
considers the X-Files as "information"!
*We* the hard-core fan see the romance and tension. But the casual viewers don't
even see that. My collegues for instance opened eyes big like saucers when I
told them about Shippers and UST and all that. And yes, before you ask, they do
watch the show regurlarly, they even now in which season we're in.
Anyway, my point is that now they acknowledged the romance in the movie it's
gonna be bloody tricky to leave it at that.
> And apart from that
> unless it was done by a well balanced experienced hand it could bog the show
> down faster than a 48 hour rainstorm would a car in the Sahara.
Uhm..<scribbles notes on pad>.rainstorm...Sahara...<raises head> Would it work
with a camel ? <g>
Thanks Lian you just gave me an idea for my work in progress <g>.
Anyway yes it could perfectly bog the show. But if they weren't ready to take
risk in S6 they shouldn't have filmed the HS in the first place. It's like
covering the floor with rose petals because they look nice and then leaving them
to rot until they stink the place up!
> >> how embarking on a full fledged romance, would distract them from their
> >> work..for things like...alleyway shagathons and stuff. <g>
>
> >And you don't want to see this??? Madeleine! Help!
>
> <bg> Did I say that? Did I SAY that?!? I think not....
OH! Good ! You scared me for a while here !
> >> Well they are...Mulder is the Handsome Prince of Geekonia... :)
>
> >The title fits him like a glove.<g> And Scully is ?
>
> Queen Dana of Frigia. <snicker>
<LOL> I love it !!! Come on, one more : Skinner?
>
>
> >> [off-sreen relationship]
>
> Killing one or both off? Yeah..it would seem to run true to form...but it
> wouldn't happen till one of the movies, and even then when it comes down to
> it Mulder and Scully have moved into the Pantheon of Media Heroes and
> Americans' just don't kill off their heroes even in dark stuff.
But maybe CC will want to be the first to do it. For posterity or something ?
> >Deny them or deny us ?
>
> Both...definitely both.
Well, you see, that's what bugs me, they've been through so much shit that it
cries "HAPPY ENDING COMPULSORY" As if they deserved to be happy. But it doesn't
work like that. If the show considers itself like a modern mythology then it
should follow the rules of the world we live in i.e :a)Bad things happen to good
people.
b)People never get what they really deserve.
>
>
> >And people never forget tragedies. Star crossed lovers and all that.
>
> those tragedies that are told and re told like Romeo and Juliet
> or Lancelot/Guinevere/Arthur and constantly remade...but this isn't the same
> thing...they aren't going to be remade,
Gosh ! I hope not ! <shivers>
> no one else is going to be cast.
Thank God. You're sure of this aren't you ?
> And the modern "greats" tend to go more for the Casablanca or Gone With the
> Wind endings..not together but there's hope.
So you're saying they won't end up together ? <g>
> >> [Ten foot Polel]
> >><LOL> Now, you're about to tell me something about Eastern Europe
> stereotypes,>aren't you?
>
> From the sounds of that..I don't think I need to. :)
Spoilsport!<pouts>
[Ye olde "Are Caroline &Lian the same person" argument]
> >Personality disorder.
>
> <vbg> The question is...which personality?
You tell me.
> >> No, I think that's actually the Big Love..the local gay bar. <ooh..how's
> >> that for stereotyping!>
>
> >That's where Krycek hangs out. <G>
>
> And Skinner..maybe...Skinhead...definitely.
<LOL> Yeah, and the entire SWAT team !
[No way I am giving a title to the following lines!]
> >> Depends on whether he's the one doing the kneeling really don't it? <g>
>
> >I ain't fussy.
>
> Not selfish neither. ;)
Nope. Anything to bring a little joy in this world. ;-)
>
>
> [The Doctor is In!]
>
> >What soul?
>
> That one there..that little black thing currently hiding behind your
> pancreas. :)
It's a raisin.
> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>
>
> ><put ands in front of mouth in horror> Really? How? By mail order ?
>
> You know all that stuff about the Stork? Well in certain parts of the
> world....
Nah. No storks in France. Baby boys are born in cabbages and baby girls in
roses.But anyway this stork stuff is no fun, at least in France you have to do
the ...ahem, gardening first.
> [The Green eyed Monster...]
>
> >Well, yes, I did, I never said the girl wasn't territorial. But Jealousy
> doesn't>imply "mad lurve"
>
> No..no it doesn't..but territorialism like that, implies "mad" something...
Mad temper.
> >>....."Lucky Wickets!"
> ><LOL> Works every time!
> The Classics never die! <bg>
Yup. They are always blown back to life over and over again...<G>
>
>
> >> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
> Pleading the 5th does not extend to Innuendo...we can take you in the back
> and subject you to tortures that men's minds *have* conceived...do I need to
> make myself clearer?
Ummmm, yes please...
> >Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn. <g>
>
> Tch!! Our Mulder would never say that...nuh-uh..not ever. :)
You're right, he wouldn't say a word and bugger off just the same!
[That pig Clark]
> Yeah, and he did that all the time for his love scenes apparantly...he liked
> to say that's how he got that "melty" look in his eyes
Ughh!
> ...chauvinist pig.
> <bg>
Yeah the guy hated women apparently.
> >> >>> [The Closed Door metaphor]
>
> Eep...<sound of frantic scrambling, crashing furniture and a gun shot> Hah!
> Mulder has his hidden holster I have mine!!
Do I dare to ask ?
> And stay down you!!
Oooh, being kinky with Spender, I see !
> I'll get
> you a catheter to pee out of in a minute...
and he will put it by himself, I suppose ?
> first I have some unfinished
> business! GIRARD!! You're a dead woman!!!
Who? Me? Er...<checks pulse> No.
> <metaphor get's lock blasted off of
> it> Prepare to meet Messrs Smith and Wesson,
So your real name * is* Wesson ?
> up close and personal!!
Promises, promises...
>
>
> >> >>> [Fantasy with the gunmen]
>
> Actually..god help me...I like it. CareByers it is. :)
Lian's favourite cuddly toy...I wish they could market them.
>
>
> >> >>> [the whisper]
> >I listen to said scene five times yesterday morning, and the only sound I
> coud
> >hear was the sound of a blocked nose.It *was* "snurfle"
>
> T'wasn't...and I am unanimous in that.
You and your multiple personnalities?
> >> Nope...she luuuuuuurrrrrrrrves him. She said so. <bg>
>
> >You're soooo delusional.
>
> Said the kettle to the pot.... :)
Well, you'd better not make the kettle boil too much. <narrow eyes>
> >> >>> > [A call for Woussies]
>
> <snaffles two> Cool...I like Chocolate chip...
<tiny voice> ...and cyanide...
Eh! Talking of cyanide Lian. Do you know a Tom Lehrer's song called "An Irish
Ballad" ? It's hilarious!
>
>
> >> [Caroline amazing sense of direction]
>
> And next door to Cardiff. <g> Caroline should be arriving for Uxmas around
> about Easter....
Yeah, Easter 2001.
Adam
>
>
>> >>> > [A call for Woussies]
>> >>Ow! Umm...no they're chocolate chips...<shows content with trembling hand>
>>
>> <eyes narrow to slits> Chocolate chip?! CHOCOLATE CHIP?!?!
>
>Uh...yeah...<shifting feet uncomfortably> but they're home-made.
>
>> [Caroline amazing sense of direction]
>> And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs like hell
>> before Caroline sees this>
>
><LOL> Yup, right near Dover <snigger>.
>
On the other side of Liverpool :)
--
TNWOGG
Adam
Lian
>Caroline Smith wrote:
>> Cat <gilham@nildramREMOVE_THIS.co.uk> wrote in article
>> > Lian wrote
>[killing Mulder]
>> > <considers Lian worriedly> Did you just say that with a gleeful
>> > smile or did it just sound like that?
>>
>> She said it gleefully the little sod. I could see her grin flashing
bright
>> from here. She's one of these people who repeatedly kills Mulder in
>> the XF game just for the thrill of seeing Scully lobbing seeds on his
>> grave <snicker>
><Michele waves madly towards Lian> HEY! Me too, me too !!! I just looooove
>that scene! <happy grin>
<matching grin waves back> Innit great?!?! I didn't actually find out about
it till I was helping a mate through the game and I just wondered what would
happend if we went right instead of left at that point...naturally given the
opportunity to shoot or stab Mulder I took the hands on approach <g> I was
in partial ecstacy at what happened next, alternately watching with open
mouthed Awe at Scully's stunned hand on his chest, face stroking reaction
and manic giggling at the seed throwing bit. :) I LOVE IT!! Watch it to
cheer myself up I do...<evil snicker> Fulfills my little fantasy
nicely...someone out there must've been listening. :)
Caroline, of course, despite my best efforts to convince her of the
shippiness of that scene, won't even look at it...WOUSSIE!!! <snicker>
>> > >>>The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when
>> > she said "I'm going to washington in the morning"was crying out
>> > Jealous!Scully so much that I was in awe.
>> > >What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
>> > <g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
>> Yup. We're waiting.
>Territorialism. You don't have to be in love to be jealous.<narrow eyes>
And
>don't start with me or I give up the MSR plot in my fic.
I *knew* it!! I knew you'd go for that one! <g>
True you don't have to be in love to be jealous, but she'd have to be
partially insane to be *that* territorial..especially as Det White didn't
show an interest in Mulder till that bedroom bit..the flirting such as it
was, was mostly him.
>> [Kittenkin. ]
>> And god forbid anyone got the two mixed up.
>> I'm so shocked and disappointed no one has made the obvious
>> joke here.
>Because it *was* obvious. <g>
What's this?! Restraint on the UX?!?! Noooo! Say it aint so!!!
>> <shakes head> I'm going to have to leave you to think about that.
>> (cos I don't have the guts <g>)
>Woussie! <says the girl who doesn't have the guts either.>--
Then it's official we're all gutless wonders here on UX....come join us if
you haven't the guts. :)
NWWY
Lian
Lian
>>>>Lian wrote:
>>Heh..maybe they'll compromise...maybe in the final film,
>>they'll allow them to get together and then at the end kill one
>>of them off. Tragedy!!
><considers Lian worriedly> Did you just say that with a gleeful
>smile or did it just sound like that?
Gleeful smile? Moi? Over a character's death? Naaah...never...<gleeful
chuckle>
>>>>> Yes..and we're just sooooo different Caroline and I to boot.
>>>>Yeah, yeah as different as two Kurt Crawfords.
>>You've obviously not been checking out some of our more recent
>>discussions... :)
>You......!! that was a nasty trick the pair of you. Some of us
>were actually worried about you, Lian; I was beginning to think
>you'd been abducted and replaced with an atx-er.
Who is this Lian person you're talking to..I know no one by that name. FOOL!
<snicker> We thought we were being clever, trying to prove we weren't the
same person [;)] and we just succeeded in confirming our own total
*woussie*ness...it was soooo pathetic, you should've seen us, by the 2nd
reply we were virtually sobbing in our emails over not being able to swear
at one another even in full on *pretend* mode. :)))
>>>>Easy, Caroline I didn't say people *will* get hurt,
>>>>you can stop grinning now, and drop that chickenwire.
>><Caroline does> <everyone sees what she's *wearing* underneath>
>>Pick it back up again! Pick it back up!!!
><Peers shortsightedly> What's she wearing underneath? I don't see
>anything.
Precisely, now go and be grateful for your shortsightedness...<snicker>
>>>>The little pinched lipped fake smile and tilt of the head when
>she said "I'm going to washington in the morning"was crying out
>Jealous!Scully so much that I was in awe.
>>What?! You thought she was jealous?!! <snigger>
><g> Ha *ha*, talk your way out of that then matey.
She just keeps on pulling out that Territorialism thing...but Michele my
belle if the girl is that territorial in friendship mode...I'd hate to see
anyone messing with "Her man"!! And if they were only friends
(emotionalwise) would'nt she have found it kind of amusing (albeit
embarrassing) walking in on Mulder and Det.White like that..instead of
taking off like a pissed off scalded cat.
>>>>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>>>>> Why Michele! I didn't know you and Cat were an item! How
>>>>> long as this been going on? <vbg>
>>>><grumbles> Long enough. And it wasn't that *kind* of wink. I
>>>>don't do fluffy creatures.
>>But Cat says she's not fluffy....are you telling me this is not
>>so?
>No, Fluffy is my pet cat, aka Kittenkin.
Kittenkin? Awww... :)
So you're not fluffy so Michele's denials are untrue. <g>
>>>>> Happens all the time in so called *great* romances.
>>>>Tomorrow at Tara...
>>Oh Mulder...whaaat will ah do?!
>Don't worry. You'll always have Paris. <Michele looks very
>comforted> <g>
And the force will be with you, always....cool..way to mix film quotes!
>>>>> I did! It's a cuddly fantasy...just that...cuddly Byers and
>>>>> me...cuddling. <snicker>
>>>>A CareByers ? Does he have a little red heart on the butt and
>>>>comes in bright colours?
>>A CareByers?!? <GROAN!!!!!> Oooh that's terrible!! <she said
>>stifling laughter desperately>
>"Comes in bright colours" is the bit that worries me.
Oh I dunno...the Tickle me Care Byers could be worth waiting for.
>>>><LOL> A lost cause then. <pouts>
>>Yes that too..as she also has lousy directional sense. <g>
>>And I quote...... "Nottingham's near Edinburgh right?" <runs
>>like hell before Caroline sees this>
><Nods> in the East Midlands, next door to Edinburgh-on-Trent.
It is entirely possible that if she's driving, Caroline might not make it to
UXmas till Easter. :)
NWWY
Lian
Lian
"Caroline Smith" <xq...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Michele <michele...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote in article
>> Cat wrote:
>> > We have a therapist?! Where? why didn't you say before? Bit late
>> > now.
>> It's never to late, to go back to normalcy. Chuck all your X-F tapes,
>> remove all your X-F posters (and this huge Xena thingy while you're
>> at it <g>) erase every X-F related thing from your hard drive...oh,
>> and don't forget the zip disks as well <g>. Burn all your DTAs as
>> well as the comics and miscellaneous books. And use that X-F T-shirt
>> of yours to polish your shoes.
>> There ! Normal now, feeling better already, uh? Uh?
Nope..there is no going back not ever...because even if you do all the above
there's still this large group of non-normals hanging around out there that
will invariably pop up at the *precise* wrong moment and expose you for what
you are or were...or are trying to hide. Picture it 5 years after the
above..you're having lunch with your boss, a promotion hinges on it, one
that will give you your dream job...money, car, expense account, free
travel...all you have to do is convince her that you're the one for the job,
that you're solid reliable down to earth dependable...suddenly a voice yells
at you from across the restaurant you turn and there they are..they 5th
UxMas Reunion gang...complete with XF T-Shirts, hats, badges and talking
Mulder dollies (which they'll have by the year 2001 no doubt.<G>).
There..IS...NO...ESCAPE!!!
>Well I don't know about Cat but I feel dandy. So you all want
>your subscription money back then?
BwahhahhahHAH! Nice one Caroline...
>PS - sad but true, I have more XF t-shirts than pairs of shoes.
>God, kill me now. I don't wear any of them though, cept one that
>says Demerol and that Fibbie one cos they're cryptic <bg>
And because we'd kill you if you didn't say you wear 'em. ;)
>> > I think the film pretty much vindicated my position; not much more to
>say :-)
>> The film didn't prove ANYTHING ! It was like a stand alone episode.
>Do I have to let loose with that scream thing again or were you saying
>that in a positive way? <g>
Don't know...seemed highly ambiguous to me...I think you should let rip with
the scream again...and I'm not just saying that cause I like when you do it.
:)
>> > >Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for
>> > >me sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
>> > <snuffles mournfully> You keep it, I'll just use this old sock...
>> Is it grey ? If it is let me tell you that you *do* need help.
>Nothing wrong with grey socks. Nothing. They're very very romantic.
>I'm wearing a pair right now.
>And <checks> Um, that seems to be all I'm wearing.
>Excuse me a minute will you?
<shakes head> Now you're just doing it on purpose! Aren't you?! Eh? EH?! OWN
UP!! Ya exhibitionist ya!
>[ A christened Camel ]
>> > >> Ooh, what then?
>> > >><Huge Grin> Walter.--
>> > <LOL> You evil woman you.
>> Well, camels are a pain in the ass too, ya know?
><vbg> Are we talking literally or metaphorically there?
Depends on whether you have one hump or two don't it...
>> Anyway, I think I'd better go back and get on with it, since "it is
>> awfully quiet around here, Mr Mulder." My mail box is full of
>> uninterresting rambling from the French mailing list and it seems
>> that you're the only reg who have posted anything this sunday.
>> Now I know that our fave editor is slaving away on DTA,
>Actually I seem to have posted more this weekend than I have
>all week! I made sense of the votes and wrote a review and um,
>that was that. I will go and do more.
>Soon <snicker>
<quick cut> 6 weeks later.......
>> but it seems
>> that I haven't seen anything from Jules or Fiona on the NG for quite
>> a while. <Yells> WOUSSIES ???
>when's Fi off to the States?
Isn't she gone? I'd thought she'd already vamoosed?
>> Oh well, I'm off now, Fowley is getting acquainted with Scully's
>> driving skills, eh eh eh !!!
>Don't suppose I can put in a request for Fowley to be mangled
>beyond belief in a wicked car crash from which Scully escapes
>with merely a small wound to that hairline place she always gets
>whacked on?
>No?
>Damn.
Hey, she can't stop you putting in the request! (Though I myself am still
waiting for the Coverupyerass pay off...as her delivery annoys me the way
that Mimi Roger's mouth annoys Caroline.You think you could work that one in
Michele? PLEASE?!) Okay so she can't off Fowley..but maybe she can severely
traumatise her with her driving skills so she can't talk...would that work
for you Caroline m'dear? No mouth action from Fowley...<g>
NWWY
Lian
Michele
Caroline Smith wrote:
> [talkin'bout Cat]
> > Thanks. <blows nose> Ya know it keeps raining in Notts, bad for me
> > sinuses...er, you don't want your hanky back do you?
>
> Well, you know she is kinda weird,
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed, eh,eh!
> I wouldn't put a thing past her.
Or in front for that matter...<g>
> [Camel]
> <LOL> I'm not making any gags about humping.
Pfff! You're getting old Smith.--
Michele
JLB wrote:
> The latest Dr Scully prescription against
> cold: take one warm Mulder, undress him carefully, rub vigorously all
> over with a grey sock until extra heat generated, then slip quickly into
> a sleeping bag and apply to affected parts <ubg>
Wow! Can I get one at Boots???
Lian
>How did you know about the rabbit slippers???
>>> <long protracted silence...>....Erm...<mumbles> Furfllenurfle....told
me.
>>That's your informant? That's even more ridiculous a name than Covarubias!
That's his code name...and it's still less embarrassing than Deep Throat. :)
>>> >> [French ways]
>>> >We were conforming to the will of the masses...
>>> But you *were* the masses!!
>>Exactly, that's French logic for you! Best way to get what you want...
Hmmm....sounds good to me! Sign me up!
>>> <bg> So boil up some snails and roast some frogs and you'd have a
substitute
>>> for chicken in mushroom sauce...is this what you're trying to tell me?
>>If you don't mind chicken with webbed feet and mushrooms with antennas,
then yes
>>you could say that.
>>> >> Oh-ho-hooo! Nasty! And erm...aren't the Corsican's also famed for
blood
>>> >> feuds against people who insult them? <snigger>
>>> >Er...yes? <looks nervously around for any Corsicans>
>>> I believe poison and daggers in the night are their preferred use of
come
>>> back. :)
>>Very funny. <looks nervously around, and stares suspiciously at coffee> I
think
>>I need to put more distance between Corsica and me.
I hear Nepal is nice this time of year....cold..but nice.
>>> >< produces some nondescript alcoholic beverage> Damn right, let's have
a
>>> >toast...
>>> <clink glasses> Slainte! <swigs it back>
>>Slainte ? Oh, ok, then, <raises glass>Tchin!
What you don't have a French toasty thing when you swig back the booze? Like
the Scandinavian "Skol" Jewish "Lachaim" or Russian "Proszt" (or however
you spell that)
>>> >But still, lyrical poetry...at least you're not considered like thick
>>> inebriated bumpbkins like us.
>>> What? I never heard *that* about the French!!
>>Well that's what the Parisians say of us (the rest of France)
Ah well...you know what everyone *else* says about the Parisians so that
kinda negates that attitude towards you...
>>> >> >>> [What DOES she think?!]
>>> >OK, fair enough , but not as often as you shippers think.
>>> But more often then you no-romo's do... :)
>>Yada yada yada...
<snicker> Just doin' ma job ma'am....
>>> >> >>> [What next]
>>> >What are the topics ? <hopeful grin>
>>> 1)Basic acceptance of love.
>>I can do that, I accept that Fowley loves Mulder, and Krycek loves Marita.
<g>
<narrows eyes, drums fingers on desktop> None of that deliberate obfuscation
you!! You *know* what I mean!!
And on the above....Ewww!! He does not!! Marita is unlovable!! And now
you've gone and brought back up that below decks image that I worked so hard
to blank out!! Ewww....
And erm...just how did you draw the conclusion that Fowley definitely loves
Mulder...seems her motives are somewhat shadey to say the least.
>>> 2)Basic acceptance of deeper than friendship love.
>>That would be Krycek and Mulder then. <Elbows Cat and whispers: "Don't say
I
>>never did nothing for ya!">
<drumming fingers get louder> You will recall that this is the 112 step
programme to "Understanding M&S shippers", you will please confine such
Slashy items to the 112 step programme to "Being more like Cat".
>>> 3)Basic acceptance of non brotherly/sisterly love.
>>Sure! Dana hates Bill now. No more brotherly love there.
<pen whizzes past Micheles' ear leaving black ink trail> Don't make me get
out the sharp implements....
Dana *hates* Bill?! Aint' that overstating the case a smidge? <g>
>>> 4)Basic acceptance of ....
>>> and so on and so forth...do you see a pattern emerging here?
>>Er, they all love each other except Mulder and Scully ? <batting eyelids
>>innocently>
Err Caroline can I borrow that a moment? Thank you.....THWACK!! <batting
Michele soundly>
>>>>[Consummated professionals]
>>> Yeah..but that's just it! Their home life and all the crappy little
things
>>> going on in it would affect their working relationship...and little
bickery
>>> arguments would break out, it happens to us all after we spend so much
time
>>> together. It'd be bloody hard to leave out. And even if you did leave
it
>>> off screen...that doesn't take away them worrying about how *that* might
>>> affect their working relationship, before they take that step, which is
>>> kinda what we're talking about here, right? Reasons why they haven't
taken
>>> that step?
>>I think that was where we started yes.;-) Anyway I see your point. But IMO
it
>>all depends how this is written.I am sure it could be very carefully
engineered
>>(provided they lock Shiban in a cellar.)
>>And then again when you say "it happens to us all after we spend so much
time
>>together" wasn't it agreed, on another thread that M&S didn't behave like
normal
>>people anyway ?
Ahh..but that question leads us onto the world famous discussion on...."What
is normal?" and on top of that I would like to add...are you calling *us*
normal? <g>
>>So couldn't their "abnormality" allow them to compartementalize
efficiently work
>>and private life ? It wouldn't be more farfetched than two madly in love
people
>>doing strictly nothing about it ? Non ?
Hey I said they weren't *normal* I didn't say they weren't human!! And I
would have to say Oui rather than Non to your question (but you knew that
didn't ya?) because there have always been incidences of people in love who
through either other ties or through a sense of duty or what have you have
chosen to not *do* anything about it...apart from suffer stoically that is.
When you're mad at someone, especially someone you're extremely close
too..I'd say it's nigh on impossible for it not to carry over into your
outside life if you work with them too..even if you just get cool and icily
reserved..it's *still* affected that working relationship.
>>> I think for hardcore fans like us..people who revel in every little
detail
>>> of the duo and their lives, I would have to say it probably wouldn't be
all
>>> that boring to us. But you know how it goes, once they get people
together
>>> and start dealing with these issues loads of people just switch
>>> off...they're only there for the romance and tension.
>>Nah! They are here for the plot, the aliens and the conspiracies.
Apparently a
>>French survey revealed that a frighteningly high percentage of the
population
>>considers the X-Files as "information"!
Oh hell yeah some of us are here for those reasons...and a frightening
amount of people as you say fall into that latter category...we may be weird
here..but we aint *that* weird. But there is a huge amount of people who
watch this show only for the M&S interaction and romance...and if I was
honest I'd say most of them are Stateside, which is where that whole ratings
thing comes into it.
>>*We* the hard-core fan see the romance and tension. But the casual viewers
don't
>>even see that. My collegues for instance opened eyes big like saucers when
I
>>told them about Shippers and UST and all that. And yes, before you ask,
they do
>>watch the show regurlarly, they even now in which season we're in.
No way!! Sorry have to disagree!! I know loads of people who only watch it
on a casual basis, only catching it when they happen upon it...and in
general one of the first things they say to me when they discuss it with me
is "Are they ever going to get them together" or "The tease has gone onto
long, they're never going to get them together." From people who've only
seen maybe 4 or 5 episodes per season, I've gotten long involved theories on
M&S's feelings towards each other..."She liked him more than he liked her to
begin with....etcetera etcetera"
Sure they too wouldn't have a clue what the terms "Shipper" "NoRomo" and
"UST" meant but they're only XPhile terms..they're not in the loop that
hasn't stopped them from seeing the bigger picture.
And urm...when you say *WE* hardcore fans can see the romance and the
tension...you mean you too? <heh heh>
>>Anyway, my point is that now they acknowledged the romance in the movie
it's
>>gonna be bloody tricky to leave it at that.
This I do agree with...it's gonna be very tricky to walk that line between
keeping the elevated tension between them..well elevated...and tipping over
into actually *having* to actually do something with the relationship. Which
I think is partly where Ghostship..now Triangle comes into it. Giving the
viewers what they want to see...without actually giving it to them, but
giving them a conduit to relieve the viewers own heightened sense of tension
and giving themselves some breathing space.
>>> And apart from that
>>> unless it was done by a well balanced experienced hand it could bog the
show
>>> down faster than a 48 hour rainstorm would a car in the Sahara.
>>Uhm..<scribbles notes on pad>.rainstorm...Sahara...<raises head> Would it
work
>>with a camel ? <g>
>>Thanks Lian you just gave me an idea for my work in progress <g>.
I have?! Cool...I'm an inspiration! <snicker> You've intrigued me now....I
shall be waiting for this work in progress eagerly. :)
>>Anyway yes it could perfectly bog the show. But if they weren't ready to
take
>>risk in S6 they shouldn't have filmed the HS in the first place. It's
like
>>covering the floor with rose petals because they look nice and then
leaving them
>>to rot until they stink the place up!
I think that sums it up nicely...even with the stench of rotten rose petals
<g>....CC made the decision and took that step, so I guess he must've
thought that both he and his team of writers were both willing and able to
take up the tricky challenge of keeping the show in balance with a more
overt romance...I wish 'em luck..and lots of it! Thus far Season 6 sounds
rivetting to say the least...it has the most unusual mixture of storylines
I've seen in the first part of any season thus far...I can't wait even more
than I normally can't wait! :)
>>> >> how embarking on a full fledged romance, would distract them from
their
>>> >> work..for things like...alleyway shagathons and stuff. <g>
>>> >And you don't want to see this??? Madeleine! Help!
>>> <bg> Did I say that? Did I SAY that?!? I think not....
>>OH! Good ! You scared me for a while here !
Scared you? You scared me!! My reputation was nearly ruined right there! You
almost cleaned it up right there and then!!
>>> >> Well they are...Mulder is the Handsome Prince of Geekonia... :)
>>> >The title fits him like a glove.<g> And Scully is ?
>>> Queen Dana of Frigia. <snicker>
>><LOL> I love it !!! Come on, one more : Skinner?
Grand Vizier Skinner of Mighty Shoulder
>>> >> [off-sreen relationship]
>>> Killing one or both off? Yeah..it would seem to run true to form...but
it
>>> wouldn't happen till one of the movies, and even then when it comes down
to
>>> it Mulder and Scully have moved into the Pantheon of Media Heroes and
>>> Americans' just don't kill off their heroes even in dark stuff.
>>But maybe CC will want to be the first to do it. For posterity or
something ?
Maybe...maybe...but whisper it softly..Caroline get's upset. :)
>>> >Deny them or deny us ?
>>> Both...definitely both.
>>Well, you see, that's what bugs me, they've been through so much shit that
it
>>cries "HAPPY ENDING COMPULSORY" As if they deserved to be happy. But it
doesn't
>>work like that. If the show considers itself like a modern mythology then
it
>>should follow the rules of the world we live in i.e :a)Bad things happen
to good
>>people.
>>b)People never get what they really deserve.
True enough...but you could always look at it thusly..that the show isn't in
any way shape or form reflective of real ordinary life in which those two
maxims apply..I mean we're talking, ghosts and werewolves, vampires and
mutants, aliens and killer insects...it is Science Fiction..or Science
Fantasy whichever you're happier with...and as either Fiction or Fantasy
happy endings are allowed. If you were to apply those maxims strictly and
have them as you say follow the rules of the world we live in...not only
would none of the fantastic things we've seen ever *be* seen in the
show...but even if you allowed for that...Mulder and Scully should be dead
30 times over...but they aren't so they're not following those realistic
rules so you can't really expect them to apply it solely to the Happy Ending
section either.
>>> >And people never forget tragedies. Star crossed lovers and all that.
>>> those tragedies that are told and re told like Romeo and Juliet
>>> or Lancelot/Guinevere/Arthur and constantly remade...but this isn't the
same
>>> thing...they aren't going to be remade,
>>Gosh ! I hope not ! <shivers>
I refuse to consider that possiblity...not even a little bit. <takes on
ultra determined look>
>>> no one else is going to be cast.
>>Thank God. You're sure of this aren't you ?
Positive....(but if it happens I'm denying it's very existence.)
>>> And the modern "greats" tend to go more for the Casablanca or Gone With
the
>>> Wind endings..not together but there's hope.
>>So you're saying they won't end up together ? <g>
Nice try...only through no fault of their own...death or abduction. <g>
>>> >> [Ten foot Polel]
>>> >><LOL> Now, you're about to tell me something about Eastern Europe
>>> stereotypes,>aren't you?
>>> From the sounds of that..I don't think I need to. :)
>>Spoilsport!<pouts>
Hey I never stopped you from telling *me*! <vbg>
>>[Ye olde "Are Caroline &Lian the same person" argument]
>>> >Personality disorder.
>>> <vbg> The question is...which personality?
>>You tell me.
The Meglomaniacal one with the soft spot for puppies.
>>> >> No, I think that's actually the Big Love..the local gay bar.
<ooh..how's
>>> >> that for stereotyping!>
>>> >That's where Krycek hangs out. <G>
>>> And Skinner..maybe...Skinhead...definitely.
>><LOL> Yeah, and the entire SWAT team !
Hup! Hup! Hup! And let us not forget Mai Lee and Raoul, Skinhead's "Special
friends"
"We were in the Mekong Delta....it was hot...REALLY hot..."<snigger>
>>[No way I am giving a title to the following lines!] <Now whose the
spoilsport!> :)
>>> >> Depends on whether he's the one doing the kneeling really don't it?
<g>
>>> >I ain't fussy.
>>> Not selfish neither. ;)
>>Nope. Anything to bring a little joy in this world. ;-)
No to bring a little Joy into this world you'd need to be doing more than
kneeling. And of course there's no guarantee it'd be a girl...<snicker>
>>> [The Doctor is In!]
>>> >What soul?
>>> That one there..that little black thing currently hiding behind your
>>> pancreas. :)
>>It's a raisin.
Okay..I have to ask this...why have you got a raisin stuck behind your
pancreas?
>>> [All in the Eye of the Beholder]
>>> ><put ands in front of mouth in horror> Really? How? By mail order ?
>>> You know all that stuff about the Stork? Well in certain parts of the
>>> world....
>>Nah. No storks in France. Baby boys are born in cabbages and baby girls in
>>roses.But anyway this stork stuff is no fun, at least in France you have
to do
>>the ...ahem, gardening first.
Precisely my point...nothing but the Stork is needed, so their reservedness
remains perfectly in tact.
>>> [The Green eyed Monster...]
>>> >Well, yes, I did, I never said the girl wasn't territorial. But
Jealousy
>>> doesn't>imply "mad lurve"
>>> No..no it doesn't..but territorialism like that, implies "mad"
something...
>>Mad temper.
Dis temper more like...<g>
>>> >>....."Lucky Wickets!"
>>> ><LOL> Works every time!
>>> The Classics never die! <bg>
>>Yup. They are always blown back to life over and over again...<G>
Look at it as Enviromental Joke Telling...we're recycling!
>>> >> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>>> Pleading the 5th does not extend to Innuendo...we can take you in the
back
>>> and subject you to tortures that men's minds *have* conceived...do I
need to
>>> make myself clearer?
>>Ummmm, yes please...
What you *want* the Spice Girls and Spender Montage then? Okay....<drags
Michele into the back>
>>> >Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn. <g>
>>> Tch!! Our Mulder would never say that...nuh-uh..not ever. :)
>>You're right, he wouldn't say a word and bugger off just the same!
Yes..that he *would* do. <g>
>>[That pig Clark]
>>> Yeah, and he did that all the time for his love scenes apparantly...he
liked
>>> to say that's how he got that "melty" look in his eyes
>>Ughh!
Yeah it is pretty naff isn't it...but I look at this way..when you look at
some of the total bitches and Diva's he had to work with at the time..I'm
guessing that you needed some kind of device to make you look believable
when you had to profess undying love.
>>> ...chauvinist pig. <bg>
>>Yeah the guy hated women apparently.
What I read was that he just couldn't relate..he was a real MACHO man...and
that the only woman he ever really loved, Carole Lombard, was a hard
drinking, hard talking, hunting and fishing kinda girl, a Man's Man's
Girl...and he was devastated when she died. Funny thing is she really
reminds me of Tea Leoni. <g>
>>> >> >>> [The Closed Door metaphor]
>>> Eep...<sound of frantic scrambling, crashing furniture and a gun shot>
Hah!
>>> Mulder has his hidden holster I have mine!!
>>Do I dare to ask ?
No. :)
>>> And stay down you!!
>>Oooh, being kinky with Spender, I see !
Well if you call shooting him in the unmentionables kinky...I guess.
>>> I'll get you a catheter to pee out of in a minute...
>>and he will put it by himself, I suppose ?
Well I'm sure as hell not gonna be there!
>>> first I have some unfinished
>>> business! GIRARD!! You're a dead woman!!!
>>Who? Me? Er...<checks pulse> No.
<sigh> Some people good threats are just wasted on....
>>> <metaphor get's lock blasted off of
>>> it> Prepare to meet Messrs Smith and Wesson,
>>So your real name * is* Wesson ?
<LOL> Damn you! You made me laugh...how can I shoot you now? Maybe I'll
just wing you in the shoulder..kinda friendly like.
>>> >> >>> [Fantasy with the gunmen]
>>> Actually..god help me...I like it. CareByers it is. :)
>>Lian's favourite cuddly toy...I wish they could market them.
Me too...along with several other XF related toys...
>>> >> >>> [the whisper]
>>> >I listen to said scene five times yesterday morning, and the only sound
I
>>> coud hear was the sound of a blocked nose.It *was* "snurfle"
>>> T'wasn't...and I am unanimous in that.
>>You and your multiple personnalities?
Yep...me and Caroline...but that count's as the same thing on here anyway.
<g> Though I have been informed that Cat and possibly Fiona and Julie are
also in agreement on this. :)
>>> >> Nope...she luuuuuuurrrrrrrrves him. She said so. <bg>
>>> >You're soooo delusional.
>>> Said the kettle to the pot.... :)
>>Well, you'd better not make the kettle boil too much. <narrow eyes>
<narrows eyes back> Or what..she'll whistle?! Oooooooooh!
>>> >> >>> > [A call for Woussies]
>>> <snaffles two> Cool...I like Chocolate chip...
>><tiny voice> ...and cyanide...
<Eastwood grimace> Hey I'm TOUGH..cyanide's a tipple for woussies.
>>Eh! Talking of cyanide Lian. Do you know a Tom Lehrer's song called "An
Irish
>>Ballad" ? It's hilarious!
Is that the one that take the total piss out of old Irish songs and has a
chorus that goes :
"And we drink! And we drink! And we drink! And weeeeeee DRINK!" ?
<g>
>>> >> [Caroline amazing sense of direction]
>>> And next door to Cardiff. <g> Caroline should be arriving for Uxmas
around
>>> about Easter....
>>Yeah, Easter 2001.
Just in time for the Next XFiles movie! <g>
NWWY
Lian
Adam
>
>
[Normalcy]
>Ahh..but that question leads us onto the world famous discussion on...."What
>is normal?" and on top of that I would like to add...are you calling *us*
>normal? <g>
>
>
>
>No way!! Sorry have to disagree!! I know loads of people who only watch it
>on a casual basis, only catching it when they happen upon it...and in
>general one of the first things they say to me when they discuss it with me
>is "Are they ever going to get them together" or "The tease has gone onto
>long, they're never going to get them together." From people who've only
>seen maybe 4 or 5 episodes per season, I've gotten long involved theories on
>M&S's feelings towards each other..."She liked him more than he liked her to
>begin with....etcetera etcetera"
>Sure they too wouldn't have a clue what the terms "Shipper" "NoRomo" and
>"UST" meant but they're only XPhile terms..they're not in the loop that
>hasn't stopped them from seeing the bigger picture.
>And urm...when you say *WE* hardcore fans can see the romance and the
>tension...you mean you too? <heh heh>
>
Yeah, the romance between Krycek and Marita <eg>
>
[Inspirational Ideas]
>>>> And apart from that
>>>> unless it was done by a well balanced experienced hand it could bog the
>show
>>>> down faster than a 48 hour rainstorm would a car in the Sahara.
>
>>>Uhm..<scribbles notes on pad>.rainstorm...Sahara...<raises head> Would it
>work
>>>with a camel ? <g>
>>>Thanks Lian you just gave me an idea for my work in progress <g>.
>
>I have?! Cool...I'm an inspiration! <snicker> You've intrigued me now....I
>shall be waiting for this work in progress eagerly. :)
>
Ooh! You can help me while you're being so helpful!
[Lian's reputation on the line]
>>>> >And you don't want to see this??? Madeleine! Help!
>
>>>> <bg> Did I say that? Did I SAY that?!? I think not....
>
>>>OH! Good ! You scared me for a while here !
>
>
>Scared you? You scared me!! My reputation was nearly ruined right there! You
>almost cleaned it up right there and then!!
>
Surely your reputation can't get any worse, better maybe, but definitely
*not* worse <g>
[Titles]
>>>> >> Well they are...Mulder is the Handsome Prince of Geekonia... :)
>
>>>> >The title fits him like a glove.<g> And Scully is ?
>
>>>> Queen Dana of Frigia. <snicker>
>
>>><LOL> I love it !!! Come on, one more : Skinner?
>
>
>Grand Vizier Skinner of Mighty Shoulder
>
Okay, what about Krycek?
[TXF: Resurrection]
>>>> thing...they aren't going to be remade,
>
>>>Gosh ! I hope not ! <shivers>
>
>
>I refuse to consider that possiblity...not even a little bit. <takes on
>ultra determined look>
>
>>>> no one else is going to be cast.
>
>>>Thank God. You're sure of this aren't you ?
>
>
>Positive....(but if it happens I'm denying it's very existence.)
>
I'll make sure I keep a copy of this then, it might come in handy <g>
>
>>>Nope. Anything to bring a little joy in this world. ;-)
>
>
>No to bring a little Joy into this world you'd need to be doing more than
>kneeling. And of course there's no guarantee it'd be a girl...<snicker>
>
Enough about Joy to the world, you might start Michele off!
>>>> >> >>> [Once more for the late arrivals!<g>]
>>>> Pleading the 5th does not extend to Innuendo...we can take you in the
>back
>>>> and subject you to tortures that men's minds *have* conceived...do I
>need to
>>>> make myself clearer?
>
>>>Ummmm, yes please...
>
>
>What you *want* the Spice Girls and Spender Montage then? Okay....<drags
>Michele into the back>
>
Thank God that wasn't me!
>>>> >> >>> [The Closed Door metaphor]
>>>> Eep...<sound of frantic scrambling, crashing furniture and a gun shot>
>Hah!
>>>> Mulder has his hidden holster I have mine!!
>
>>>Do I dare to ask ?
>
>
>No. :)
>
I'll ask, just for the hell of it, I'm feeling dangerous!
>>>> And stay down you!!
>
>>>Oooh, being kinky with Spender, I see !
>
>
>>>> >> >>> [the whisper]
>>>> >I listen to said scene five times yesterday morning, and the only sound
>I
>>>> coud hear was the sound of a blocked nose.It *was* "snurfle"
>
>>>> T'wasn't...and I am unanimous in that.
Umm, which scene is this?
>>>> >> >>> > [A call for Woussies]
>>>> <snaffles two> Cool...I like Chocolate chip...
>
>>><tiny voice> ...and cyanide...
>
>
><Eastwood grimace> Hey I'm TOUGH..cyanide's a tipple for woussies.
>
You should try Uranium Hexafluoride, I can't remember what it does, but
you sure as hell wouldn't like it in your diet!
--
TNWOGG
Adam
JLB
1998, Michele writes
>
>
>JLB wrote:
>
>> The latest Dr Scully prescription against
>> cold: take one warm Mulder, undress him carefully, rub vigorously all
>> over with a grey sock until extra heat generated, then slip quickly into
>> a sleeping bag and apply to affected parts <ubg>
>
>Wow! Can I get one at Boots???
>
Not unless you know the pharmacist *really* well! The NHS decided not
to provide it as they figured the demand would be too great, and the
warm Mulder would just get exhausted :-)
However, no research has yet been done on the effects of taking Demerol
at the same time as the Mulder Cold Cure, and I hear they're looking for
test subjects ... <g>
--
Jan
Michele
JLB wrote:
> [Mulder cure iat Boots?]
>
> Not unless you know the pharmacist *really* well!
That can be arranged in no time .<EG>
> The NHS decided not
> to provide it as they figured the demand would be too great, and the
> warm Mulder would just get exhausted :-)
NHS is keeping it for themselves!!!
>
>
> However, no research has yet been done on the effects of taking Demerol
> at the same time as the Mulder Cold Cure, and I hear they're looking for
> test subjects ... <g>
<raises head expectantly> Oh, really ? Count me in!
Cat
>JLB wrote:
>[Mulder cure at Boots?]
>> Not unless you know the pharmacist *really* well!
>
>That can be arranged in no time .<EG>
<Warning tone> Michele, you mention any such thing to her and I'm
disowning you... Nah, what the hell, not as if I have a
reputation to defend anyway.
>> However, no research has yet been done on the effects of
>> taking Demerol at the same time as the Mulder Cold Cure, and I
>> hear they're looking for test subjects ... <g>
>
><raises head expectantly> Oh, really ? Count me in!
There *are* side effects of course, the QMC's still working on
the cloning technique, it's more Smoulder than Mulder ATM.