[OT] Back
xSaBx
:->
xSaBx
--
http://www.gubbins.net
http://www.livejournal.com/~xsabx
Will make T-shirts for Food
Paul Harper
wrote:
>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
<Paul waves>
Good holiday?
Paul.
--
A .sig is all well and good, but it's no substitute for a personality
JMS: "SFX is a fairly useless publication on just about every imaginable front.
Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so little, with so much, for so long."
xSaBx
wrote:
][ Good holiday?
Okay, thanks!
Paul Harper
<pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx <sa...@gubbins.nospam.net>
>wrote:
>
>>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>
><Paul waves>
>
>Good holiday?
Ignore this one - just seen your reply on TTW group :-)
Baggers
news:visgiuk01lrl91tg3...@4ax.com...
> It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
<sigh>
I needed you yesterday, when I was stuck in the middle of Southend at
4am with very tired feet and no phone to call for the taxi.
Hope you enjoyed your little spell.
Baggers
--
Agent Dogett : I am not Oxford educated, but I know something
Paranormal when I see it.
§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ
<sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>
>:->
>
>
>xSaBx
Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
Syn
--
May Wintermute bless your net connection,
keep your data secure and deliver you
from viruses of all types.
Michael Greenhalgh
kind enough to write...I was bored, so I replied - :
>Stardate: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx
><sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>
>>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>>
>>:->
>>
>>
>>xSaBx
>
>Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
Yeah, but I think I put the fireplace back upside down
--
Mike
§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ
<michael.g...@tripleb.co.uk> performed a quirkafleeg while
saying:
>On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:06:29 +0100, §₯ΡΕή+₯Χ <spam...@yahoo.com> was
>kind enough to write...I was bored, so I replied - :
>
>>Stardate: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx
>><sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>>
>>>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>>>
>>>:->
>>>
>>>
>>>xSaBx
>>
>>Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
>
>Yeah, but I think I put the fireplace back upside down
Ah well, at least it's unique. Downward burning flames <nods
approvingly> Cooool!
Syn :o)
Paul Harper
<michael.g...@tripleb.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:06:29 +0100, §₯ΡΕή+₯Χ <spam...@yahoo.com> was
>kind enough to write...I was bored, so I replied - :
>
>>Stardate: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx
>><sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>>
>>>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>>>
>>>:->
>>>
>>>
>>>xSaBx
>>
>>Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
>
>Yeah, but I think I put the fireplace back upside down
Bloody Lego - always a few bits left over, too...
xSaBx
][ Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
I did think when I saw an Enterprise trailer on C4 (and hubby remarked it was in
totally the wrong font) that things might have gone a bit Looney here...
Can people remind me if I had to do stuff for them? I have a shirt thingy to do
for you, a shirt to sort out for Baggers and we should really start discussing
24-24-24 at some point...
Michael Greenhalgh
was kind enough to write...I was bored, so I replied - :
>On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:06:29 +0100, §¥ÑÅÞ+¥× <spam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>][ Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
>
>I did think when I saw an Enterprise trailer on C4 (and hubby remarked it was in
>totally the wrong font) that things might have gone a bit Looney here...
Ahh, if only it had been over the Enterprise trailer
--
Mike
sparhawk
"§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ" <spam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:s84hiuspk2n9nvs53...@4ax.com...
> Stardate: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx
> <sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>
> >It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
> >
> >:->
> >
> >
> >xSaBx
>
> Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
>
> Syn
>
1 person exploded then went quiet, 3 other people left, most others just
kept their opinions to themselves and ignored it, 2 of the people who left
are back posting today
sparhawk
>
> :->
>
>
welcome back:)
xSaBx
][ 1 person exploded then went quiet, 3 other people left, most others just
][ kept their opinions to themselves and ignored it, 2 of the people who left
][ are back posting today
This explains the change of posting names, then...
<sigh>
Just another week in the UMTSS neighbourhood...
Paul Harper
>we should really start discussing
>24-24-24 at some point...
The timing on that's gone really bad, what with me moving house, and
Bob (Page's manager) wanting to go on holiday then as well as all new
staff at the bar.
We've shelved the idea, but if you still fancy going with it, feel
free!
Paul Harper
wrote:
>This explains the change of posting names, then...
It's all on Google, but really *not* worth reading tbh - a low point
for *several* people on here, myself included - but then after all the
years you've known me, you're used to that by now <g>
Fascist merchandiser :-)
Militant Jawida - Sponger.
"Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
Main thread here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&rnum
=1&thl=0,1047455982,1047394848,1047384302,1047378915,1047378821,1047378293,1
047374929,1047352904,1047346473,1047344593,1047344205&seekm=20020630140428.0
8652.00001825%40mb-fj.aol.com#link1
Highlights here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&th=d
2199525003c873e&seekm=afsafk%24gp3qn%241%40ID-32297.news.dfncis.de#link1
Excellent sumation by Zoidy here
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&th=d
2199525003c873e&seekm=afsafk%24gp3qn%241%40ID-32297.news.dfncis.de#link2
James
Baggers
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:06:29 +0100, §₯ΡΕή+₯Χ <spam...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Can people remind me if I had to do stuff for them? I have a shirt
That is the first I have heard about it, unless it is something saying
"If found, please return to the pub"
§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ
<jdspung...@btinternet.com> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
Ahem :o)
xSaBx
][ That is the first I have heard about it, unless it is something saying
][ "If found, please return to the pub"
Well, if you finally get around to pulling your finger out and arranging to ask
me for a beer sometime (:->) I'll bring it with me.
Baggers
>
> www.makeashorterlink.com
>
> Ahem :o)
www.don'tyoulovehavingreallygreatoutlookwrapsattheendofeachlinebecause
thatcanbereallyannoying.co.uk
Baggers
Sarah Elton
> It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>
/me runs over and bowls over SaB with a hug
It all went crappy after you left. :o(
--
Sarah
The UMTSS Games: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~sann1471
Sarah Elton
> Stardate: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx
> <sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>
> >It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
> >
> >:->
> >
> >
> >xSaBx
>
> Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
>
<waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the hell is
this?.........
Paul Harper
<sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the hell is
>this?.........
There on the stair.
Baggers
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:10:48 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
> <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> ><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the
> > hell is this?.........
>
> There on the stair.
Where on the stair?
xSaBx
wrote:
][ It all went crappy after you left. :o(
Well, I'd like to say that now I'm back it'll be great but I know what happens
in Real Life and so...
/me hugs Sarah back, and hopes that common sense may continue to prevail.
Sarah Elton
"Baggers" <bag...@dobbers.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9a3W8.14251$xU5.923552@wards...
> "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:a4fhiuorj57sd7usp...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:10:48 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
> > <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > ><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the
> > > hell is this?.........
> >
> > There on the stair.
>
> Where on the stair?
>
Here on the stair.
"Are we singing again?"
Paul Harper
<bag...@dobbers.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>"Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
>news:a4fhiuorj57sd7usp...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:10:48 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
>> <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the
>> > hell is this?.........
>>
>> There on the stair.
>
>Where on the stair?
Mornington Cres...
Sorry, I'll get me coat... :-)
Paul Harper
wrote:
>/me hugs Sarah back, and hopes that common sense may continue to prevail.
Selective mechanisms have been firmly and permanently put into place
that greatly increases the chance of this.
Sarah Elton
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:09:31 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
<sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ][ It all went crappy after you left. :o(
>
> Well, I'd like to say that now I'm back it'll be great but I know what
happens
> in Real Life and so...
>
> /me hugs Sarah back, and hopes that common sense may continue to prevail.
>
And if it doesn't we can hide over there on the stair with a strange
thingamy I found. :o)
Michael Greenhalgh
bored, so I replied - :
>
>"xSaBx" <sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:visgiuk01lrl91tg3...@4ax.com...
>> It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>>
>
>/me runs over and bowls over SaB with a hug
See why do I never get these greetings? ;-)
--
Mike
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
message news:agabed$k4umo$1...@ID-32297.news.dfncis.de...
> "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
>
> Main thread here:
Can we just save those, and repost the links next time someone posts an
untagged ad for some tat or other, save us the bother of going over it
again?
--
=/\= Lt. Cmdr. Jim =/\=
In the event of a water landing, I have been designed to act as a floatation
device.
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
> "xSaBx" <sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:9a5hiu0ttp073ef2i...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:06:29 +0100, §₯ΡΕή+₯Χ <spam...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can people remind me if I had to do stuff for them? I have a shirt
> > thingy to do for you, a shirt to sort out for Baggers <clip>...
>
> That is the first I have heard about it, unless it is something saying
> "If found, please return to the pub"
Not a bad idea actually. Will his be the first xSaBx design credited to
baggers?
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
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> "§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ" <spam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s84hiuspk2n9nvs53...@4ax.com...
> > Stardate: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:22 +0100, xSaBx
> > <sa...@gubbins.nospam.net> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
> > >It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
> > >
> > >:->
> > >
> > >
> > >xSaBx
> >
> > Welcome back, UMTSS exploded, but we're rebuilding. :o)
> >
>
> <waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the hell is
> this?.........
Hmm, lemme see. 3*(roll 1d6): 1,6,3
/me consults B2, Table 7.5
That's the Quantum polarizing coil.
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:09:31 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
<sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ][ It all went crappy after you left. :o(
>
> Well, I'd like to say that now I'm back it'll be great but I know what
happens
> in Real Life and so...
Crappy, but the group carries on. We'll see it through, it's what we're
always here to do.
> /me hugs Sarah back, and hopes that common sense may continue to prevail.
Common sense, here?
Baggers
> "Baggers" <bag...@dobbers.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:9a3W8.14251$xU5.923552@wards...
> > "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in
> > >
> > Where on the stair?
>
> Here on the stair.
>
> "Are we singing again?"
We'll be singing
When we're winning
We'll be singing
I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down
Pissing the night away
Pissing the night away
He drinks a whisky drink
He drinks a vodka drink
He drinks a lager drink
He drinks a cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him
Of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him
Of the better times:
"Oh Danny Boy
Danny Boy
Danny Boy..."
I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down
Pissing the night away
Pissing the night away
He drinks a whisky drink
He drinks a vodka drink
He drinks a lager drink
He drinks a cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him
Of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him
Of the better times:
"Don't cry for me
Next door neighbour..."
I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down
We'll be singing
When we're winning
We'll be singing
Alex Peckover
> It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>
> :->
Hi!
Alex
Darth Zoidberg
"Sarah Elton" <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:agaenb$jqac9$1...@ID-67127.news.dfncis.de...
>
> news:9a3W8.14251$xU5.923552@wards...
> > "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> > news:a4fhiuorj57sd7usp...@4ax.com...
> > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:10:48 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
> > > <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > ><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the
> > > > hell is this?.........
> > >
> > > There on the stair.
> >
> > Where on the stair?
> >
>
> Here on the stair.
>
> "Are we singing again?"
"Ive got a theory......."
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger"
"Then I hide until it goes away"
Joost van der Knaap
>
> Main thread here:
> Excellent sumation by Zoidy here
>
Guys, can we just keep this buried now? Preferably indefinitely? I
would very much like for this usenet fart to pass out the window. I
may not have been involved (for the record I'm pulling a complete
Switzerland on the matter), but I (and I can't imagine I'm alone in
this matter) certainly got the whiff. :-)
Joost
PS: Ideally I would get no reply to this whatsoever ;-)
Darth Zoidberg
Reply to what?
Michael Greenhalgh
<AlexcookNooooooO!!!!@cwcom.net> was kind enough to write...I was
bored, so I replied - :
>
>"Sarah Elton" <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:agaenb$jqac9$1...@ID-67127.news.dfncis.de...
>>
>> "Baggers" <bag...@dobbers.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:9a3W8.14251$xU5.923552@wards...
>> > "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
>> > news:a4fhiuorj57sd7usp...@4ax.com...
>> > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:10:48 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
>> > > <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > ><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the
>> > > > hell is this?.........
>> > >
>> > > There on the stair.
>> >
>> > Where on the stair?
>> >
>>
>> Here on the stair.
>>
>> "Are we singing again?"
>
>
>"Ive got a theory......."
"Every single night, the same arrangement..."
--
Mike
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
news:ce5114d5.02070...@posting.google.com...
> "Militant Jawida - Sponger." <jdspung...@btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:<agabed$k4umo$1...@ID-32297.news.dfncis.de>...
> > "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> Guys, can we just keep this buried now? Preferably indefinitely? I
> would very much like for this usenet fart to pass out the window. I
> may not have been involved (for the record I'm pulling a complete
> Switzerland on the matter), but I (and I can't imagine I'm alone in
> this matter) certainly got the whiff. :-)
Waht, ne side had youlook after all their gold and valuable art works?
> PS: Ideally I would get no reply to this whatsoever ;-)
Tough.
Sarah Elton
"Michael Greenhalgh" <michael.g...@tripleb.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4rniiu4nsuuiqcc2b...@4ax.com...
"We stay in and fight the fight." ;oP
Michael Greenhalgh
<sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> was kind enough to write...I was
bored, so I replied - :
>
>"Michael Greenhalgh" <michael.g...@tripleb.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:4rniiu4nsuuiqcc2b...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:38:28 +0100, "Darth Zoidberg"
>> <AlexcookNooooooO!!!!@cwcom.net> was kind enough to write...I was
>> bored, so I replied - :
>>
>> >
>> >"Sarah Elton" <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:agaenb$jqac9$1...@ID-67127.news.dfncis.de...
>> >>
>> >> "Baggers" <bag...@dobbers.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:9a3W8.14251$xU5.923552@wards...
>> >> > "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
>> >> > news:a4fhiuorj57sd7usp...@4ax.com...
>> >> > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:10:48 +0100, "Sarah Elton"
>> >> > > <sarah...@st-annes.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ><waves strange object> Where does this go?......... What the
>> >> > > > hell is this?.........
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There on the stair.
>> >> >
>> >> > Where on the stair?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Here on the stair.
>> >>
>> >> "Are we singing again?"
>> >
>> >
>> >"Ive got a theory......."
>>
>> "Every single night, the same arrangement..."
>>
>
>"We stay in and fight the fight." ;oP
And there I thought we had such a loving relationship... ;-p
--
Mike
Dr Z....
"Still I always see the strangest flame wars......"
Michael Greenhalgh
"Everyone here is real, nothing here is right..."
--
Mike
Baggers
> >> >
> >> > "Every single night, the same arrangement..."
> >>
> >> "We stay in and fight the fight." ;oP
> >
> >"Still I always see the strangest flame wars......"
>
> "Everyone here is real, nothing here is right..."
I don't believe that.
Baggers - alt.unreal
sparhawk
"Joost van der Knaap" <knaa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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so no explanation/apology whatsoever, Paul can be as insulting as he wants
and we should just ignore it because its him and pretend its ok for him to
totally over-react to a post and make personally offensive comments about
another poster.
If you want to ignore that thats up to you, I always thought that people on
this group behaved in a friendly fashion, as much as is possible for a
newsgroup anyway, but it has already been pointed out to me that this is
wrong and I shouldnt assume a basic level of friendliness, or think that
just because in the past when someone overstepped the bounds they were held
accountable by the rest of the group that this would happen no matter who
went too far.
David Wilcox
"sparhawk" <spar...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Right, that's it! My two bits worth!
They were both at fault, it was an argument, they argued, they all
killfiltered each other, now they don't talk to each other.
People say bad things in arguments, that's how it is, that's why it's
an argument.
Why should he now have to apologise for or explain what he said, if he
doesn't want to he shouldn't have to
No amount of dragging it up is going to make it go away, it's
happened and there are repercussions.
Forgetting about it from now on will not make it go away but it
will allow the rest of the group to ignore the obvious differences that
are going on with certain members of the group. If you or
any other posters on the group are really that pissed off about Paul's
part of it then ignore his posts or killfile him yourself.
Most of the group want this to go away. I for one am still talking to Paul,
that doesn't make me a bad person cos if James was here I'd probably
talk to him as well as the whole thing does not involve me.
It seems to me you've taken a side and know who you agree with, to be
honest I think I have too but if I give me opinions on that here then I
become part of it don't I!?!
This is all I will say on the matter, not that I'm some sort of argument
police or anything like that, I'm a member of this group that's quite
worried by what he sees. At the moment UMTSS is not a place I
recognise and the sooner it returns to what it's been to me for the last
4 years or so then we'll all be better off!!
Dave
sparhawk
"David Wilcox" <da...@moghhouse.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:agcb87$kgh03$1...@ID-50100.news.dfncis.de...
what argument? it went from a mild post about the legality of an ad post to
a personal attack on another poster
> No amount of dragging it up is going to make it go away, it's
> happened and there are repercussions.
> Forgetting about it from now on will not make it go away but it
> will allow the rest of the group to ignore the obvious differences that
> are going on with certain members of the group. If you or
> any other posters on the group are really that pissed off about Paul's
> part of it then ignore his posts or killfile him yourself.
I'm not pissed off at Paul, I'm annoyed at the double standards.
When James posted this in reply to Mike
<Could you for once just have an opinion of your own and stick to it?
The trick is to learn all the facts possible and then decide rather than
second guess what the majority opinion will be.
If you're going to retract everything with "you have a point there" or "i'm
beginning to warm to the idea" then just shut up!
And no, you are not supposed to laugh at this point or message me on MSN in
a humourous manner. This is me --->(Z)<--- being annoyed.>
6 regulars felt the need to post a rebuke/comment, yourself included,
ranging from "a little harsh" to me-fucking-ow" with other regulars posting
in support etc etc.
yet when Paul posts
<So take your petulant inappropriate teenage rant and shove it up your
over-used arse.>
and
<Thanks for the efforts Syn - appreciate it - but I have just about had
enough of being told what to think by someone who shows no inclination
whatsoever towards original thought and seems destined to sponge off
the state for the remainder of his short and no doubt miserable life.>
the only people to say anything are me, Zoidy, 1 semi-lurker and 1 lurker. I
get told to stay out of it, the lurkers get ignored/jumped on and Zoidy
didnt really get any response
> Most of the group want this to go away. I for one am still talking to
Paul,
> that doesn't make me a bad person cos if James was here I'd probably
> talk to him as well as the whole thing does not involve me.
I havent killfiled anyone
> It seems to me you've taken a side and know who you agree with, to be
> honest I think I have too but if I give me opinions on that here then I
> become part of it don't I!?!
I take the side as I see it, if it had been the other way around I would
have had words with James about it, but nothing James posted was in any way
a petulant teenage rant imo
> This is all I will say on the matter, not that I'm some sort of argument
> police or anything like that, I'm a member of this group that's quite
> worried by what he sees. At the moment UMTSS is not a place I
> recognise and the sooner it returns to what it's been to me for the last
> 4 years or so then we'll all be better off!
which is sort of my point. The UMTSS I remember would have stepped in when
it went too far and it would have been finished with, now its all about
keeping out of it and having opinions but not posting them if it is certain
members of the group that do it, which is not what I remember this group
being like at all,
David Wilcox
> >
> > Right, that's it! My two bits worth!
> > They were both at fault, it was an argument, they argued, they all
> > killfiltered each other, now they don't talk to each other.
> > People say bad things in arguments, that's how it is, that's why it's
> > an argument.
> > Why should he now have to apologise for or explain what he said, if he
> > doesn't want to he shouldn't have to
>
> what argument? it went from a mild post about the legality of an ad post
to
> a personal attack on another poster
I saw it as an argument. Person A says something, person B doesn't
like it, person A says something else, person B has a go.
>
> > No amount of dragging it up is going to make it go away, it's
> > happened and there are repercussions.
> > Forgetting about it from now on will not make it go away but it
> > will allow the rest of the group to ignore the obvious differences that
> > are going on with certain members of the group. If you or
> > any other posters on the group are really that pissed off about Paul's
> > part of it then ignore his posts or killfile him yourself.
>
> I'm not pissed off at Paul, I'm annoyed at the double standards.
> When James posted this in reply to Mike
>
> <Could you for once just have an opinion of your own and stick to it?
> The trick is to learn all the facts possible and then decide rather than
> second guess what the majority opinion will be.
> If you're going to retract everything with "you have a point there" or
"i'm
> beginning to warm to the idea" then just shut up!
> And no, you are not supposed to laugh at this point or message me on MSN
in
> a humourous manner. This is me --->(Z)<--- being annoyed.>
>
> 6 regulars felt the need to post a rebuke/comment, yourself included,
> ranging from "a little harsh" to me-fucking-ow" with other regulars
posting
> in support etc etc.
At the time I disagreed with what James said, I've spoken to Mike a
lot and he has opinions about a lot of things, James posted a blatant
attack on what he saw as a personality flaw in Mike, it was completely
unprovoked.
Paul replied (albeit strongly) to James essentially telling him not to
have a go a spammer.
There's a difference.
>
>
> yet when Paul posts
>
> <So take your petulant inappropriate teenage rant and shove it up your
> over-used arse.>
>
> and
>
> <Thanks for the efforts Syn - appreciate it - but I have just about had
> enough of being told what to think by someone who shows no inclination
> whatsoever towards original thought and seems destined to sponge off
> the state for the remainder of his short and no doubt miserable life.>
>
> the only people to say anything are me, Zoidy, 1 semi-lurker and 1 lurker.
I
> get told to stay out of it, the lurkers get ignored/jumped on and Zoidy
> didnt really get any response
I wasn't here but if I was I might have got involved sooner.
>
> > Most of the group want this to go away. I for one am still talking to
> Paul,
> > that doesn't make me a bad person cos if James was here I'd probably
> > talk to him as well as the whole thing does not involve me.
>
> I havent killfiled anyone
>
> > It seems to me you've taken a side and know who you agree with, to be
> > honest I think I have too but if I give me opinions on that here then I
> > become part of it don't I!?!
>
> I take the side as I see it, if it had been the other way around I would
> have had words with James about it, but nothing James posted was in any
way
> a petulant teenage rant imo
James has been guilty of pressing home his opinions in the past, I
remember him blatantly killfiling Syn a while back over some petty
comment, he tried for weeks to get James to talk to him but just
got ignored in a very childish way.
The numurous "Bored now" posts and emails that Christian has
received don't really help his cause either, I found out today that
the UMTSS website is down, click on it yourself.
His attack on Mike that you've reminded us all of is a case in point
while you're talking of double standards, I'm interested to know,
did James apologise to Mike at the time for his unprovoked attack?
>
> > This is all I will say on the matter, not that I'm some sort of argument
> > police or anything like that, I'm a member of this group that's quite
> > worried by what he sees. At the moment UMTSS is not a place I
> > recognise and the sooner it returns to what it's been to me for the last
> > 4 years or so then we'll all be better off!
>
> which is sort of my point. The UMTSS I remember would have stepped in when
> it went too far and it would have been finished with, now its all about
> keeping out of it and having opinions but not posting them if it is
certain
> members of the group that do it, which is not what I remember this group
> being like at all,
>
>
As far as I'm concerned, if I was here I would have stepped in, what
good it would have done though, I don't know.
Dave
Michael Greenhalgh
<da...@moghhouse.freeserve.co.uk> was kind enough to write...I was
bored, so I replied - :
>
>"sparhawk" <spar...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:agce6r$kf8vi$1...@ID-112586.news.dfncis.de...
<snip>
>
>His attack on Mike that you've reminded us all of is a case in point
>while you're talking of double standards, I'm interested to know,
>did James apologise to Mike at the time for his unprovoked attack?
>
No he went to another of our regular newsgroups and posted an even
more unprovoked attack. I'm still awaiting the apology.
--
Mike
Militant Jawida - Sponger.
"David Wilcox" <da...@moghhouse.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> I found out today that the UMTSS website is down,
> click on it yourself.
>
> www.umtss.org.uk
The website is currently having it's navigation system changed & I've been
having problems - which is why it's down.
Other sections, which aren't affected by these changes - such as the
gallery - are still available.
Click on it yourself.
http://www.umtss.org.uk/gallery
James.
Militant Jawida - Sponger.
I explained my actions at the time to my on satisfaction and no further
questions were asked.
I don't feel I was out of order either in
a) what I said - I still think it today,
b) how I said it - people said it should have been done privately, although
fail to realise it had been done privately many times over they just hadn't
seen it.
The further 'unprovoked' attack in uk.media.tv.smallville was not
unprovoked.
In fact you had been throwing my name around on the group in order to curry
favour and friendship from other posters claiming that you were my friend -
when in fact you had 'set filters' on me.
I explained myself both here, umts, on msn and in real life at Battle Bar 6
which was close to events and many people agreed with me, including,
interestingly, an intoxicated Paul Harper.
James
§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ
<spar...@ntlworld.com> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
><Thanks for the efforts Syn - appreciate it - but I have just about had
>enough of being told what to think by someone who shows no inclination
>whatsoever towards original thought and seems destined to sponge off
>the state for the remainder of his short and no doubt miserable life.>
Errrr? I'm lost now, who?
Syn
--
May Wintermute bless your net connection,
keep your data secure and deliver you
from viruses of all types.
Jawida - Sponger.
> Stardate: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:21:07 +0100, "sparhawk"
> <spar...@ntlworld.com> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>
>
> ><Thanks for the efforts Syn - appreciate it - but I have just about had
> >enough of being told what to think by someone who shows no inclination
> >whatsoever towards original thought and seems destined to sponge off
> >the state for the remainder of his short and no doubt miserable life.>
>
> Errrr? I'm lost now, who?
Paul Harper, to you, about me.
James
Dr Z....
> <spar...@ntlworld.com> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
>
>
> ><Thanks for the efforts Syn - appreciate it - but I have just about had
> >enough of being told what to think by someone who shows no inclination
> >whatsoever towards original thought and seems destined to sponge off
> >the state for the remainder of his short and no doubt miserable life.>
>
> Errrr? I'm lost now, who?
>
Paul H to you , mid flame war.
§₯ΡΕή+₯Χ
<jdspung...@btinternet.com> performed a quirkafleeg while saying:
Sorry, the whole thing has kind of melded into an angry little ball
I'm trying to push out of my head.
didn't notice the "<>"'s
sparhawk
>
> "sparhawk" <spar...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:agce6r$kf8vi$1...@ID-112586.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > Right, that's it! My two bits worth!
> > > They were both at fault, it was an argument, they argued, they all
> > > killfiltered each other, now they don't talk to each other.
> > > People say bad things in arguments, that's how it is, that's why it's
> > > an argument.
> > > Why should he now have to apologise for or explain what he said, if he
> > > doesn't want to he shouldn't have to
> >
> > what argument? it went from a mild post about the legality of an ad post
> to
> > a personal attack on another poster
>
> I saw it as an argument. Person A says something, person B doesn't
> like it, person A says something else, person B has a go.
this was 3 posts long, not my idea of an on-going argument. Pauls original
reply to the ad, James' response to that, Pauls response to James.
The attack on James was then continued by Paul in response to a post by Syn.
<snip quotes>
> At the time I disagreed with what James said, I've spoken to Mike a
> lot and he has opinions about a lot of things, James posted a blatant
> attack on what he saw as a personality flaw in Mike, it was completely
> unprovoked.
> Paul replied (albeit strongly) to James essentially telling him not to
> have a go a spammer.
> There's a difference.
depends on your definition of spam I suppose, a short message and an email
addy about old magazines that could well be of interest to members of a star
trek group doesnt constitute spam imo, plus it was within the bounds of the
faq, just not headed correctly,which wasnt mentioned in Pauls original reply
at all, he only attacked the content of the post, probably because SFX was
mentioned
> > the only people to say anything are me, Zoidy, 1 semi-lurker and 1
lurker.
> I
> > get told to stay out of it, the lurkers get ignored/jumped on and Zoidy
> > didnt really get any response
>
> I wasn't here but if I was I might have got involved sooner.
trust you to be ill... :)
> > I take the side as I see it, if it had been the other way around I would
> > have had words with James about it, but nothing James posted was in any
> way
> > a petulant teenage rant imo
>
> James has been guilty of pressing home his opinions in the past, I
> remember him blatantly killfiling Syn a while back over some petty
> comment, he tried for weeks to get James to talk to him but just
> got ignored in a very childish way.
> The numurous "Bored now" posts and emails that Christian has
> received don't really help his cause either, I found out today that
> the UMTSS website is down, click on it yourself.
>
> www.umtss.org.uk
>
> His attack on Mike that you've reminded us all of is a case in point
> while you're talking of double standards, I'm interested to know,
> did James apologise to Mike at the time for his unprovoked attack?
he explained further in his other replies in the thread just why he had
spoken out
< And Mike constant u-turns within about two posts bug me. It isn't just
here
either.>
in response to Paul Harpers comments,
<Two fricking years two BLOODY years of either being emulated myself, or
watching with other people, if ever there was a time to start smoking then
it's reading one of Mike's gushing posts.>
in response to you
> > > This is all I will say on the matter, not that I'm some sort of
argument
> > > police or anything like that, I'm a member of this group that's quite
> > > worried by what he sees. At the moment UMTSS is not a place I
> > > recognise and the sooner it returns to what it's been to me for the
last
> > > 4 years or so then we'll all be better off!
> >
> > which is sort of my point. The UMTSS I remember would have stepped in
when
> > it went too far and it would have been finished with, now its all about
> > keeping out of it and having opinions but not posting them if it is
> certain
> > members of the group that do it, which is not what I remember this group
> > being like at all,
> >
> >
>
>
> As far as I'm concerned, if I was here I would have stepped in, what
> good it would have done though, I don't know.
>
> Dave
well, I tried to step in and it did no good, maybe if more people had it
might have.
I would like to say at this point that I have no problem with Paul as such,
and this is not a personal thing against him because he attacked "my mate".
If what James had posted warrented a response like he got I wouldnt have
said a thing, but it didnt. I did what other regs have done in a similar
situation and tried to say that what Paul posted was too much, only to be
left pretty much high and dry with comments appearing later about having
opinions but not posting etc.
At least after the James/Mike thing everything was sorted, James went too
far by group decision, they both pretty much decided to ignore each other on
UMTSS, everything was resolved, even if it wasnt back to Mike and James
being friends at least it was resolved, and the group went back to pretty
much normal. This doesnt feel resolved, it feels ignored. I'm not asking
that Paul is treated like a pariah, I'm not championing James or applying
for him to be made a saint, I'm saying that Paul's attack was unjustified,
and that the response by the rest of the group was to brush it off, keep
quiet or tell James to back off whilst ignoring the comments made by Paul,
which just struck me as wrong.
I'm not going to continue with this anymore because the "group" seems happy
to behave in this manner, I just felt it was worth commenting on how much
the group has changed over the past few months, and not for the better imo
Kate Blackie
wrote:
>It'll take me a few days, but if anyone wants me, I'm back again.
>
>:->
>
>
>xSaBx
Hiya! Welcome back - hope you had a good holiday!
Kate
J. van der Knaap
news:agc9cr$kp781$1...@ID-112586.news.dfncis.de:
I should probably have read my message again before posting. Perhaps I
tried to be too concise. I know I can be unclear at times.
/me plays his English-is-my-second-language-Joker one more time :-)
I don't mean to ignore anything. But you're gravely mistaken if you think
the burden of guilt can be pinned on James any less than it can be on Paul.
There's plenty to go around. I imagine neither is going to be apologizing
anytime soon, so we have to make a conscious decision, go on or move on. I
vote for the latter.
What purpose does a (selective) list of URLs serve? I don't want to hear
"He started it!", "But he called me a <beeeep>!" and "He stole my
crayons!". That's not a productive area of discussion.**
There was an opportunity for at least two civilized arguments: The
interpretation of the FAQ and UMTSS censorship. There simply wasn't put
enough effort into steering the conversation to within the realm of reason
by a small number of participants (that's right, not merely Paul or James).
The result: friendships destroyed, a segmented UMTSS, disillusioned
regulars and scared/disgusted lurkers.
Everybody has flaws (I certainly do) or says things that somebody else may
not appreciate too much. When one is confronted by such an occassion he/she
will get the best results by letting that be known in a respectful manner.
Whatever James or Paul may or may not think, that's not what happened. Just
because the other goes Jerry Springer on you doesn't mean you should too. I
haven't spoken up because I've been hoping both of them would find it in
their hearts to take a more self-critical look. I still am.
This has turned out a lot more preachy then I intended, but I don't know
how else to put this into words. I'm of course well aware I'm no saint
either...
Joost
This is my last post to UMTSS on this subject. That doesn't mean I wouldn't
welcome a rebuttal from you (not excluding anybody else for that matter).
But I intend to reply through email.
** Enter the Spot-the-mangled-quote competition *now* ! :-))
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
> "Michael Greenhalgh" <michael.g...@tripleb.co.uk> wrote in
> message > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >"Ive got a theory......."
> > >> >
> > >> > "Every single night, the same arrangement..."
> > >>
> > >> "We stay in and fight the fight." ;oP
> > >
> > >"Still I always see the strangest flame wars......"
> >
> > "Everyone here is real, nothing here is right..."
>
> I don't believe that.
>
> Baggers - alt.unreal
You as well. perhaps we can get several unreal people here together and
have some kind of tournament.
Mike McKeown
news:Xns9245E0DF2F...@62.45.45.75...
as he
> > wants and we should just ignore it because its him and pretend
its ok
> > for him to totally over-react to a post and make personally
offensive
> > comments about another poster.
Right, my one and only comment on this subject too. Sorry to
piggyback, Joost, but I'm not digging back to find a more
appropriate point to respond.
From Paul:
"It's all on Google, but really *not* worth reading tbh - a low
point
for *several* people on here, myself included "
James went OTT at Paul. Paul was offensive to James. We all know
it but there was personal animosity in both directions. I'd also
had a little dig at the spammer, at about the same intensity as
Paul, but was ignored. (Which is fine, btw - I was playing with a
spammer, not trying to upset James.)
So Paul posts a very quiet "I'm not proud, can this all go away?"
statement. And James brings up the whole sordid mess again. Then
Spar jumps on Joost for also wishing it would all go away?
>
> I should probably have read my message again before posting.
Perhaps I
> tried to be too concise. I know I can be unclear at times.
> /me plays his English-is-my-second-language-Joker one more time
:-)
<snipped eloquent, even handed plea.>
Wish my second languages approached this fluency level,
unfortunately the only one I can speak this well is Total Bollocks
and it's not much use except in a crowded pub late at night.
> The result: friendships destroyed, a segmented UMTSS,
disillusioned
> regulars and scared/disgusted lurkers.
Indeed. Count the names and message patterns of the posters. It's
changed a *lot*.
> Whatever James or Paul may or may not think, that's not what
happened. Just
> because the other goes Jerry Springer on you doesn't mean you
should too. I
> haven't spoken up because I've been hoping both of them would
find it in
> their hearts to take a more self-critical look. I still am.
>
"A low point for *several* people on here, myself included " -
Paul H. Not an apology, but an acknowledgement, which is stage one
on moving forward.
That's it. I'm out of this subject.
--
Mike M
It's an underline, not a dash; or use the reply-to, that's my ISP
based address.
"All your bass are belong to us" - from the 'Spanish Trawlerman'
PC game
Derek
wouldn't
> welcome a rebuttal from you (not excluding anybody else for that matter).
> But I intend to reply through email.
You had me believing you on the second-language bit. Then you kept posting,
and completely bollixed it. Like Mark wrote earlier, very eloquent. :-)))
Derek
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
> "Michael Greenhalgh" <michael.g...@tripleb.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:h2hjiu8156g5gjjhv...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:45:43 +0100, "David Wilcox"
> > <da...@moghhouse.freeserve.co.uk> was kind enough to write...I was
> > bored, so I replied - :
> > >"sparhawk" <spar...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > >news:agce6r$kf8vi$1...@ID-112586.news.dfncis.de...
> > <snip>
> I explained myself both here, umts, on msn and in real life at Battle Bar
6
> which was close to events and many people agreed with me, including,
> interestingly, an intoxicated Paul Harper.
I really should pay attention at those things, shouldn't I?
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
> "Joost van der Knaap" <knaa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ce5114d5.02070...@posting.google.com...
> > "Militant Jawida - Sponger." <jdspung...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> message news:<agabed$k4umo$1...@ID-32297.news.dfncis.de>...
> > > "Paul Harper" <pa...@jasdigital.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> so no explanation/apology whatsoever, Paul can be as insulting as he wants
> and we should just ignore it because its him and pretend its ok for him to
> totally over-react to a post and make personally offensive comments about
> another poster.
Such is the way of unmoderated newsgroups, everyone can be a complete twat
if they want to. The question is, what can a further post achieve in the
way of greater harmony for the group?
> If you want to ignore that thats up to you, I always thought that people
on
> this group behaved in a friendly fashion, as much as is possible for a
> newsgroup anyway, but it has already been pointed out to me that this is
> wrong and I shouldnt assume a basic level of friendliness, or think that
> just because in the past when someone overstepped the bounds they were
held
> accountable by the rest of the group that this would happen no matter who
> went too far.
When someone steps a little out of line, it can be helpful for the group to
prod them with a sharp stick and get them back on the straight and narrow,
but when people go as far as was the case in this instance, there is very
little that can be done, but wait for tempers to cool, and hope that people
will come to their senses (which, in the past, they appear to have done).
As it is, rehashing it (irregardless[1] of the rights or wrongs of it) will
produce much more heat than light, which laves a bitter taste in the mouth.
Or did I mix too many metaphors in there?
[1] This week: Irrigardless, Is It A Word, only on www.kuro5hin.org
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
> "David Wilcox" <da...@moghhouse.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > I found out today that the UMTSS website is down,
> > click on it yourself.
> >
> > www.umtss.org.uk
>
> The website is currently having it's navigation system changed & I've been
> having problems - which is why it's down.
Perhaps for the purpose of avoiding doubt, a note to that affect could be
made on the temporary main page?
Jawida - Sponger.
"Lt. Cmdr. Jim" <ltcm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:agd7kt$jpu$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
> "Militant Jawida - Sponger." <jdspung...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> message news:agcgna$kpck4$1...@ID-32297.news.dfncis.de...
> > "David Wilcox" <da...@moghhouse.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >
> > > I found out today that the UMTSS website is down,
> > > click on it yourself.
> > >
> > > www.umtss.org.uk
> >
> > The website is currently having it's navigation system changed & I've
been
> > having problems - which is why it's down.
>
> Perhaps for the purpose of avoiding doubt, a note to that affect could be
> made on the temporary main page?
There was a note. Down until further notice queries to me, nobody queried it
until now.
David Wilcox
>
>
Snip stuff before
It seems to me that we have pretty much the same sort of resolution here,
James and Paul are never going to be friends, that much is obvious, I feel
certain things about this place have been lost forever, I'm sorry but that's
how I feel.
I'm not happy about this whole episode one bit so you see your comment
about the group being happy doesn't apply to me, I'm just of the opinion
that no amount of moaning and bringing it back up is going to resolve it
because you see the people involved will not be bullied into "making
friends"
Dave
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
I was thinking more along the lines of:
"The main site is currently down for upgrades to the navigational system.
Temporary links to site subsections are provided below. For further
information, please contact <mailto>"
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
news:agd42o$knhsp$1...@ID-73063.news.dfncis.de...
> "J. van der Knaap" <pa...@maps.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9245E0DF2F...@62.45.45.75...
> > "sparhawk" <spar...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> > news:agc9cr$kp781$1...@ID-112586.news.dfncis.de:
> Indeed. Count the names and message patterns of the posters. It's
> changed a *lot*.
Naaah, I just cam back from holiday, that's all ;-)
Lt. Cmdr. Jim
news:MPG.17941b17b...@usenet.f9.net.uk...
> In article <Xns9245E0DF2F...@62.45.45.75>,
> pa...@maps.com says...
> > [some snippage]
> > Everybody has flaws (I certainly do) or says things that somebody else
may
> > not appreciate too much. When one is confronted by such an occassion
he/she
> > will get the best results by letting that be known in a respectful
manner.
> > Whatever James or Paul may or may not think, that's not what happened.
Just
> > because the other goes Jerry Springer on you doesn't mean you should
too. I
> > haven't spoken up because I've been hoping both of them would find it in
> > their hearts to take a more self-critical look. I still am.
> >
> >
> > This has turned out a lot more preachy then I intended, but I don't know
> > how else to put this into words. I'm of course well aware I'm no saint
> > either...
> >
>
> That was said very eloquently, Joost.
Hear, Hear, well said.
Jawida - Sponger.
I don't like advertising my problems :)