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Dr Zoidberg
May 11, 2013, 3:19:14 AM5/11/13
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This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still here
which is a *huge* shame.
A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how much
UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely brilliant
conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
Hope you are all doing well.
--
Alex
which is a *huge* shame.
A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how much
UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely brilliant
conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
Hope you are all doing well.
--
Alex
Ameet Shah
May 11, 2013, 6:21:23 AM5/11/13
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may pop by after seeing the film and am happy to discuss it here even if
I don't expect people to stick around for long after.
I may just avoid looking for a few days however until I actually get
around to seeing the film.
Ameet
Dr Zoidberg
May 11, 2013, 2:57:17 PM5/11/13
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"Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Good to see you.
I'll hold off with the spoilers for now then, but suffice it to say that I
enjoyed it a lot.
It *is* fairly nitpickable, but no less fun for it.
--
Alex
Ameet Shah
May 18, 2013, 8:15:21 AM5/18/13
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>
>> Yes, agreed with the feeling and hope you're well also. I suspect others
>> may pop by after seeing the film and am happy to discuss it here even if
>> I don't expect people to stick around for long after.
>>
>> I may just avoid looking for a few days however until I actually get
>> around to seeing the film.
>
> Ameet!
> Good to see you.
> I'll hold off with the spoilers for now then, but suffice it to say that
> I enjoyed it a lot.
> It *is* fairly nitpickable, but no less fun for it.
Yes, I enjoyed it as well.
>
>> Yes, agreed with the feeling and hope you're well also. I suspect others
>> may pop by after seeing the film and am happy to discuss it here even if
>> I don't expect people to stick around for long after.
>>
>> I may just avoid looking for a few days however until I actually get
>> around to seeing the film.
>
> Ameet!
> Good to see you.
> I'll hold off with the spoilers for now then, but suffice it to say that
> I enjoyed it a lot.
> It *is* fairly nitpickable, but no less fun for it.
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There are probably a number of references that I missed on first viewing
but whilst most of the ones are noticed were nice additions, a few did
feel unnecessary. Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why Admiral
Marcus told Kirk so much about them. Also Carol's comment towards the
end that "it's nice to have a family" didn't really seem appropriate
given what had just happened and would probably have just seemed out of
place to those that didn't know about her character in the original movies.
I was a little bit worried about how far they would take the mirroring
of scenes from The Wrath of Khan but the main one between Kirk and Spock
worked well even though I kept expecting Spock to say a particular part
of his final words from that film.
It looks like they weren't quite ready to commit with the direction they
wanted to go with the Klingon make-up as only one was clearly seen
without his mask, but I think that could work, just may take a little
getting used to.
The 3D also generally worked better than I was expecting. It got a
little distracting during some of the action scenes as small parts keep
stealing your focus but a lot of it was still quite effective.
Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
follow it up if another film does go ahead.
Ameet
Dr Zoidberg
May 20, 2013, 10:27:53 AM5/20/13
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"Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
so.
A particular favourite was the row of models of the various Enterprises on
the desk.
One that jarred a little was McCoy's mention of having done a caesarian on a
Gorn. All very funny, but in the classic time line they didn't meet the Gorn
until late in the first year of their five year mission, some way from
Earth.
Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an alternate
time line but I doubt it.
> Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
> they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why Admiral
> Marcus told Kirk so much about them.
Am I right in thinking that Kirk had discovered the Klingons in this
timeline?
Again, they shouldn't have shown up until right at the end of the first year
of their mission.
I suppose the changed timeline could have prompted them to try a different
more drastic tactic, or that the failure of this type of action led them to
be more conservative and manipulative in future.
> Also Carol's comment towards the
> end that "it's nice to have a family" didn't really seem appropriate
> given what had just happened and would probably have just seemed out of
> place to those that didn't know about her character in the original
> movies.
sexual/romantic interest as though it never happened.
> I was a little bit worried about how far they would take the mirroring
> of scenes from The Wrath of Khan but the main one between Kirk and Spock
> worked well even though I kept expecting Spock to say a particular part
> of his final words from that film.
> It looks like they weren't quite ready to commit with the direction they
> wanted to go with the Klingon make-up as only one was clearly seen
> without his mask, but I think that could work, just may take a little
> getting used to.
their history. I'm glad they are just pretending that never happened though.
> The 3D also generally worked better than I was expecting. It got a
> little distracting during some of the action scenes as small parts keep
> stealing your focus but a lot of it was still quite effective.
> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
three films and this will make plenty of money.
Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg for a
4th if they get that far.
Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are in
exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure that
all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year mission would
be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
--
Alex
Ameet Shah
May 20, 2013, 6:41:17 PM5/20/13
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> I spotted loads of little nods to existing Trek lore, some obvious, some
> not so.
>
> A particular favourite was the row of models of the various Enterprises
> on the desk.
I must have missed that. Which desk was that on?
> not so.
>
> A particular favourite was the row of models of the various Enterprises
> on the desk.
> One that jarred a little was McCoy's mention of having done a caesarian
> on a Gorn. All very funny, but in the classic time line they didn't meet
> the Gorn until late in the first year of their five year mission, some
> way from Earth.
>
> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
> alternate time line but I doubt it.
further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
used a lot.
>> Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
>> they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why Admiral
>> Marcus told Kirk so much about them.
>
> You mean, other than to get the DS9 fans rejoicing or cursing?
>
> Am I right in thinking that Kirk had discovered the Klingons in this
> timeline?
> Again, they shouldn't have shown up until right at the end of the first
> year of their mission.
> I suppose the changed timeline could have prompted them to try a
> different more drastic tactic, or that the failure of this type of
> action led them to be more conservative and manipulative in future.
Captain. In the original timeline, their first epsidoe dealt with
deteriorating relations between the Federation and the Klingon Empire so
I think the assumption was that they had been encountered a while ago.
In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now be
regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
>> It looks like they weren't quite ready to commit with the direction they
>> wanted to go with the Klingon make-up as only one was clearly seen
>> without his mask, but I think that could work, just may take a little
>> getting used to.
>
> Of course they probably should have been non-lumpy Klingons at this
> point in their history. I'm glad they are just pretending that never
> happened though.
31, genetic augments and the Klingon appearance after what happened in
Enterprise but that would been a step too far for any casual viewer to
follow.
>> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
>> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
>
> It's virtually a certainty I'd have thought. The cast are all contracted
> for three films and this will make plenty of money.
> Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
but it would be shame if they changed the team too much.
> My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg
> for a 4th if they get that far.
having military conflicts with clear villains but doing so in a film and
ensuring the same hype may be difficult. From the original films, only
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did something particularly different and
still ended up being highly regarded. Even from the better odd-numbered
films, a lot of people including cast members likened them to extended
television episodes.
> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are in
> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
don't think it will happen until at least the third film has come out.
They wouldn't want the third film to tie too closely to a TV series if
it may alienate most viewers, but fan expectations will be of a strong
canon. It will be interesting to see how that is juggled with the Marvel
films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Ameet
sparhawk
May 22, 2013, 1:44:20 PM5/22/13
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have started rewatching the old movies but will probably wait for the
dvd/bluray to see the new one
Dr Zoidberg
May 23, 2013, 9:24:58 AM5/23/13
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Good to see someone else back here, even if only in passing.
It's well worth seeing on the big screen if you get the chance.
I'm feeling tempted to watch one of the shows again, but can't decide which
one. I might just pick a few episodes at random.
--
Alex
Dr Zoidberg
May 23, 2013, 9:34:33 AM5/23/13
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"Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> One that jarred a little was McCoy's mention of having done a caesarian
>> on a Gorn. All very funny, but in the classic time line they didn't meet
>> the Gorn until late in the first year of their five year mission, some
>> way from Earth.
>>
>> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
>> alternate time line but I doubt it.
>
> Yes. At a stretch there is Khan's explanation that Starfleet spread out
> further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
> used a lot.
>>> Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
>>> they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why Admiral
>>> Marcus told Kirk so much about them.
>>
>> You mean, other than to get the DS9 fans rejoicing or cursing?
>>
>> Am I right in thinking that Kirk had discovered the Klingons in this
>> timeline?
>> Again, they shouldn't have shown up until right at the end of the first
>> year of their mission.
>> I suppose the changed timeline could have prompted them to try a
>> different more drastic tactic, or that the failure of this type of
>> action led them to be more conservative and manipulative in future.
>
> I think the Klingons had already been encountered before Kirk became
> Captain. In the original timeline, their first epsidoe dealt with
> deteriorating relations between the Federation and the Klingon Empire so
> I think the assumption was that they had been encountered a while ago.
could have been known about before..
> In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now be
> regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
--
Alex
sparhawk
May 23, 2013, 12:02:29 PM5/23/13
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>
> "sparhawk" <imspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:knivu4$j8n$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:kmkr6m$bi5$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still
>>> here which is a *huge* shame.
>>>
>>> A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
>>> places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
>>>
>>> if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how
>>> much UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely brilliant
>>> conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
>>>
>>> Hope you are all doing well.
>>
>> Haven't seen it yet, good to see that spoiler space is still around :) I
>> have started rewatching the old movies but will probably wait for the
>> dvd/bluray to see the new one
> Ooooh, thought it was just me, Ameet and the autoposted FAQ for a while.
>
> Good to see someone else back here, even if only in passing.
I look in now and again to see if the tumbleweeds are still around,
> "sparhawk" <imspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:knivu4$j8n$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:kmkr6m$bi5$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still
>>> here which is a *huge* shame.
>>>
>>> A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
>>> places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
>>>
>>> if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how
>>> much UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely brilliant
>>> conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
>>>
>>> Hope you are all doing well.
>>
>> Haven't seen it yet, good to see that spoiler space is still around :) I
>> have started rewatching the old movies but will probably wait for the
>> dvd/bluray to see the new one
> Ooooh, thought it was just me, Ameet and the autoposted FAQ for a while.
>
> Good to see someone else back here, even if only in passing.
pleasantly surprised to find your post this time :)
> It's well worth seeing on the big screen if you get the chance.
> I'm feeling tempted to watch one of the shows again, but can't decide
> which one. I might just pick a few episodes at random.
pay that much to go to the pics. Son went to watch it at some big imax
place in Liverpool �20 a ticket :O
I watched best of both worlds last week, still a great ep
Dr Zoidberg
May 23, 2013, 2:33:36 PM5/23/13
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and depressed me.
One of our local cinemas does �3 a ticket on Tuesdays which is really handy,
and it's always sold out.
I'm amazed that it hasn't occurred to them to just charge that sort of price
every week night. It costs them exactly the same to show a film to a cinema
with 6 people or 500, and if tickets were cheaper people would go and watch
a film every week.
> I watched best of both worlds last week, still a great ep
Indeed it is.
--
Alex
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:knl53j$r8f$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "sparhawk" <imspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:knivu4$j8n$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:kmkr6m$bi5$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still
>>>> here which is a *huge* shame.
>>>>
>>>> A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
>>>> places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
>>>>
>>>> if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how
>>>> much UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely
>>>> brilliant conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you are all doing well.
>>>
>>> Haven't seen it yet, good to see that spoiler space is still around :)
>>> I have started rewatching the old movies but will probably wait for the
>>> dvd/bluray to see the new one
>> Ooooh, thought it was just me, Ameet and the autoposted FAQ for a while.
>>
>> Good to see someone else back here, even if only in passing.
>
> I look in now and again to see if the tumbleweeds are still around,
> pleasantly surprised to find your post this time :)
I had a trawl through some google archives recently which both entertained
> news:knl53j$r8f$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "sparhawk" <imspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:knivu4$j8n$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:kmkr6m$bi5$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still
>>>> here which is a *huge* shame.
>>>>
>>>> A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
>>>> places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
>>>>
>>>> if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how
>>>> much UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely
>>>> brilliant conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you are all doing well.
>>>
>>> Haven't seen it yet, good to see that spoiler space is still around :)
>>> I have started rewatching the old movies but will probably wait for the
>>> dvd/bluray to see the new one
>> Ooooh, thought it was just me, Ameet and the autoposted FAQ for a while.
>>
>> Good to see someone else back here, even if only in passing.
>
> I look in now and again to see if the tumbleweeds are still around,
> pleasantly surprised to find your post this time :)
and depressed me.
>
>> It's well worth seeing on the big screen if you get the chance.
>> I'm feeling tempted to watch one of the shows again, but can't decide
>> which one. I might just pick a few episodes at random.
>
> once upon a time I would have done but nowadays I just cant be bothered to
> pay that much to go to the pics. Son went to watch it at some big imax
> place in Liverpool �20 a ticket :O
>> It's well worth seeing on the big screen if you get the chance.
>> I'm feeling tempted to watch one of the shows again, but can't decide
>> which one. I might just pick a few episodes at random.
>
> once upon a time I would have done but nowadays I just cant be bothered to
> pay that much to go to the pics. Son went to watch it at some big imax
One of our local cinemas does �3 a ticket on Tuesdays which is really handy,
and it's always sold out.
I'm amazed that it hasn't occurred to them to just charge that sort of price
every week night. It costs them exactly the same to show a film to a cinema
with 6 people or 500, and if tickets were cheaper people would go and watch
a film every week.
> I watched best of both worlds last week, still a great ep
--
Alex
sparhawk
May 23, 2013, 3:30:45 PM5/23/13
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
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> One of our local cinemas does �3 a ticket on Tuesdays which is really
> handy, and it's always sold out.
> I'm amazed that it hasn't occurred to them to just charge that sort of
> price every week night. It costs them exactly the same to show a film to a
> cinema with 6 people or 500, and if tickets were cheaper people would go
> and watch a film every week.
but then I wouldnt go coz there would be too many irritating people and my
> I'm amazed that it hasn't occurred to them to just charge that sort of
> price every week night. It costs them exactly the same to show a film to a
> cinema with 6 people or 500, and if tickets were cheaper people would go
> and watch a film every week.
hands would be itching to slap em :) If the son was still around I'd
probably make the effort but as he is at uni and the other half doesnt like
trek it looks like bluray for me
sparhawk
Aug 26, 2013, 3:17:47 PM8/26/13
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:avvn4g...@mid.individual.net...
>> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:avp9mq...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, agreed with the feeling and hope you're well also. I suspect
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> may pop by after seeing the film and am happy to discuss it here
>>>>>> even if
>>>>>> I don't expect people to stick around for long after.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may just avoid looking for a few days however until I actually get
>>>>>> around to seeing the film.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ameet!
>>>>> Good to see you.
>>>>> I'll hold off with the spoilers for now then, but suffice it to say
>>>>> that
>>>>> I enjoyed it a lot.
>>>>> It *is* fairly nitpickable, but no less fun for it.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I enjoyed it as well.
me to now I've finally seen it :)
> "Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:avvn4g...@mid.individual.net...
>> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ameet Shah" <ameet.sh...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:avp9mq...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, agreed with the feeling and hope you're well also. I suspect
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> may pop by after seeing the film and am happy to discuss it here
>>>>>> even if
>>>>>> I don't expect people to stick around for long after.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may just avoid looking for a few days however until I actually get
>>>>>> around to seeing the film.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ameet!
>>>>> Good to see you.
>>>>> I'll hold off with the spoilers for now then, but suffice it to say
>>>>> that
>>>>> I enjoyed it a lot.
>>>>> It *is* fairly nitpickable, but no less fun for it.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I enjoyed it as well.
be canon in this timeline
>>> One that jarred a little was McCoy's mention of having done a caesarian
>>> on a Gorn. All very funny, but in the classic time line they didn't meet
>>> the Gorn until late in the first year of their five year mission, some
>>> way from Earth.
>>> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
>>> alternate time line but I doubt it.
>> Yes. At a stretch there is Khan's explanation that Starfleet spread out
>> further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
>> used a lot.
to me :)
> I'll just accept it as a throwaway reference for the old-timers :0)
referenced so it can be mentioned again later without breaking reality as we
know it :-P
>>>> Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
>>>> they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why
>>>> Admiral
>>>> Marcus told Kirk so much about them.
>>> You mean, other than to get the DS9 fans rejoicing or cursing?
>>>
>>> Am I right in thinking that Kirk had discovered the Klingons in this
>>> timeline?
>>> Again, they shouldn't have shown up until right at the end of the first
>>> year of their mission.
>>> I suppose the changed timeline could have prompted them to try a
>>> different more drastic tactic, or that the failure of this type of
>>> action led them to be more conservative and manipulative in future.
>>
>> I think the Klingons had already been encountered before Kirk became
>> Captain. In the original timeline, their first epsidoe dealt with
>> deteriorating relations between the Federation and the Klingon Empire so
>> I think the assumption was that they had been encountered a while ago.
>
> Ah, maybe that was it. I know that was when we first saw them, but they
> could have been known about before..
based
>> In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now be
>> regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
>
> <shudder>
Still holds the crown for the most WTF ending of a season :)
>>>> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
>>>> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
>>>
>>> It's virtually a certainty I'd have thought. The cast are all contracted
>>> for three films and this will make plenty of money.
>>> Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
>>
>> Yes, I'm not sure if he'll have the time with his Star Wars commitments
>> but it would be shame if they changed the team too much.
>>
>>> My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg
>>> for a 4th if they get that far.
comment again but I cant see how Starfleet could have explored that far to
bump into them so much earlier
>> Probably. It feels like they would like to try something other than
>> having military conflicts with clear villains but doing so in a film and
>> ensuring the same hype may be difficult. From the original films, only
>> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did something particularly different and
>> still ended up being highly regarded. Even from the better odd-numbered
>> films, a lot of people including cast members likened them to extended
>> television episodes.
>>
>>> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are in
>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would just
devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and throwaway
comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
>> Yes, I'm hoping for a spin-off series to develop at some point but I
>> don't think it will happen until at least the third film has come out.
>> They wouldn't want the third film to tie too closely to a TV series if
>> it may alienate most viewers, but fan expectations will be of a strong
>> canon. It will be interesting to see how that is juggled with the Marvel
>> films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
>>
> Hmmm, a Joss Wheedon version of Trek could be fun :0)
Dr Zoidberg
Aug 27, 2013, 3:30:33 PM8/27/13
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Yep.
>>>> One that jarred a little was McCoy's mention of having done a caesarian
>>>> on a Gorn. All very funny, but in the classic time line they didn't
>>>> meet
>>>> the Gorn until late in the first year of their five year mission, some
>>>> way from Earth.
>
> jarred for me as well
>
I think some bits were aimed firmly at the reasonably trek-aware, but not
for the hardcore obsessives.
>>>> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
>>>> alternate time line but I doubt it.
>>> Yes. At a stretch there is Khan's explanation that Starfleet spread out
>>> further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
>>> used a lot.
>
> thats essentially how I've decided to view anything that doesnt seem right
> to me :)
>
Now if you want stuff that *really* doesn't seem right, try some of the
books.
>> I'll just accept it as a throwaway reference for the old-timers :0)
>
> but but but if its in the movie it has to be canon and should be linked
> and referenced so it can be mentioned again later without breaking reality
> as we know it :-P
<bang>
In fact I could probably watch a lot of that and Voyager and still have it
seem new to me.
>>> In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now be
>>> regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
>>
>> <shudder>
>
> it wasnt all that bad, it was getting interesting when it got canned.
> Still holds the crown for the most WTF ending of a season :)
It also had the strongest opening season of any of the modern Trek shows. Go
back and watch any of the others now and they aren't good at all.
S2 and 3 failed to improve on it, losing a lot of viewers. S4 picked up
nicely but it was too late then :0/
I wonder if I still have the .avis anywhere....
I know I lost a lot of "early download" TV shows at some point.
>>>>> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
>>>>> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
>>>>
>>>> It's virtually a certainty I'd have thought. The cast are all
>>>> contracted
>>>> for three films and this will make plenty of money.
>>>> Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm not sure if he'll have the time with his Star Wars commitments
>>> but it would be shame if they changed the team too much.
>>>
>>>> My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg
>>>> for a 4th if they get that far.
>
> I'd vote klingons, if they bring the Borg in then it would be the
> throwaway comment again but I cant see how Starfleet could have explored
> that far to bump into them so much earlier
They were setting them (K's) up to have a bigger part next time round and
they are very distinctively Trek.
>>> Probably. It feels like they would like to try something other than
>>> having military conflicts with clear villains but doing so in a film and
>>> ensuring the same hype may be difficult. From the original films, only
>>> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did something particularly different and
>>> still ended up being highly regarded. Even from the better odd-numbered
>>> films, a lot of people including cast members likened them to extended
>>> television episodes.
>>>
>>>> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are in
>>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
>
> tv show to movie worked fine for the actors but I cant see them wanting to
> do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would just
> devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and
> throwaway comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
I'd still watch it though. I need a decent new "spaceships" show.
>>> Yes, I'm hoping for a spin-off series to develop at some point but I
>>> don't think it will happen until at least the third film has come out.
>>> They wouldn't want the third film to tie too closely to a TV series if
>>> it may alienate most viewers, but fan expectations will be of a strong
>>> canon. It will be interesting to see how that is juggled with the Marvel
>>> films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
>>>
>> Hmmm, a Joss Wheedon version of Trek could be fun :0)
>
> space cowboys :) or maybe Michael Bay with a transformers crossover hehehe
<bang again!>
--
Alex
>>>> One that jarred a little was McCoy's mention of having done a caesarian
>>>> on a Gorn. All very funny, but in the classic time line they didn't
>>>> meet
>>>> the Gorn until late in the first year of their five year mission, some
>>>> way from Earth.
>
> jarred for me as well
>
for the hardcore obsessives.
>>>> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
>>>> alternate time line but I doubt it.
>>> Yes. At a stretch there is Khan's explanation that Starfleet spread out
>>> further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
>>> used a lot.
>
> thats essentially how I've decided to view anything that doesnt seem right
> to me :)
>
books.
>> I'll just accept it as a throwaway reference for the old-timers :0)
>
> but but but if its in the movie it has to be canon and should be linked
> and referenced so it can be mentioned again later without breaking reality
> as we know it :-P
>
>>>>> Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
>>>>> they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why
>>>>> Admiral
>>>>> Marcus told Kirk so much about them.
>
> I couldnt understand that either
>
>>>> You mean, other than to get the DS9 fans rejoicing or cursing?
>>>>
>>>> Am I right in thinking that Kirk had discovered the Klingons in this
>>>> timeline?
>>>> Again, they shouldn't have shown up until right at the end of the first
>>>> year of their mission.
>>>> I suppose the changed timeline could have prompted them to try a
>>>> different more drastic tactic, or that the failure of this type of
>>>> action led them to be more conservative and manipulative in future.
>>>
>>> I think the Klingons had already been encountered before Kirk became
>>> Captain. In the original timeline, their first epsidoe dealt with
>>> deteriorating relations between the Federation and the Klingon Empire so
>>> I think the assumption was that they had been encountered a while ago.
>>
>> Ah, maybe that was it. I know that was when we first saw them, but they
>> could have been known about before..
>
> Klingons were in Enterprise so they must have been around when the reboot
> is based
Good point. I must have blocked out much of Enterprise.
>>>>> Section 31's involvement doesn't really fit with how
>>>>> they have operated in DS9 and Enterprise, and it's not clear why
>>>>> Admiral
>>>>> Marcus told Kirk so much about them.
>
> I couldnt understand that either
>
>>>> You mean, other than to get the DS9 fans rejoicing or cursing?
>>>>
>>>> Am I right in thinking that Kirk had discovered the Klingons in this
>>>> timeline?
>>>> Again, they shouldn't have shown up until right at the end of the first
>>>> year of their mission.
>>>> I suppose the changed timeline could have prompted them to try a
>>>> different more drastic tactic, or that the failure of this type of
>>>> action led them to be more conservative and manipulative in future.
>>>
>>> I think the Klingons had already been encountered before Kirk became
>>> Captain. In the original timeline, their first epsidoe dealt with
>>> deteriorating relations between the Federation and the Klingon Empire so
>>> I think the assumption was that they had been encountered a while ago.
>>
>> Ah, maybe that was it. I know that was when we first saw them, but they
>> could have been known about before..
>
> Klingons were in Enterprise so they must have been around when the reboot
> is based
In fact I could probably watch a lot of that and Voyager and still have it
seem new to me.
>>> In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now be
>>> regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
>>
>> <shudder>
>
> it wasnt all that bad, it was getting interesting when it got canned.
> Still holds the crown for the most WTF ending of a season :)
back and watch any of the others now and they aren't good at all.
S2 and 3 failed to improve on it, losing a lot of viewers. S4 picked up
nicely but it was too late then :0/
I wonder if I still have the .avis anywhere....
I know I lost a lot of "early download" TV shows at some point.
>>>>> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
>>>>> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
>>>>
>>>> It's virtually a certainty I'd have thought. The cast are all
>>>> contracted
>>>> for three films and this will make plenty of money.
>>>> Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm not sure if he'll have the time with his Star Wars commitments
>>> but it would be shame if they changed the team too much.
>>>
>>>> My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg
>>>> for a 4th if they get that far.
>
> I'd vote klingons, if they bring the Borg in then it would be the
> throwaway comment again but I cant see how Starfleet could have explored
> that far to bump into them so much earlier
they are very distinctively Trek.
>>> Probably. It feels like they would like to try something other than
>>> having military conflicts with clear villains but doing so in a film and
>>> ensuring the same hype may be difficult. From the original films, only
>>> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did something particularly different and
>>> still ended up being highly regarded. Even from the better odd-numbered
>>> films, a lot of people including cast members likened them to extended
>>> television episodes.
>>>
>>>> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are in
>>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
>
> tv show to movie worked fine for the actors but I cant see them wanting to
> do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would just
> devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and
> throwaway comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
>>> Yes, I'm hoping for a spin-off series to develop at some point but I
>>> don't think it will happen until at least the third film has come out.
>>> They wouldn't want the third film to tie too closely to a TV series if
>>> it may alienate most viewers, but fan expectations will be of a strong
>>> canon. It will be interesting to see how that is juggled with the Marvel
>>> films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
>>>
>> Hmmm, a Joss Wheedon version of Trek could be fun :0)
>
> space cowboys :) or maybe Michael Bay with a transformers crossover hehehe
--
Alex
sparhawk
Aug 27, 2013, 4:17:54 PM8/27/13
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"Dr Zoidberg" <alexNOOOOO!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
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luckily we dont know any hardcore obsessives...
>>>>> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
>>>>> alternate time line but I doubt it.
>>>> Yes. At a stretch there is Khan's explanation that Starfleet spread out
>>>> further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
>>>> used a lot.
>>
>> thats essentially how I've decided to view anything that doesnt seem
>> right to me :)
>>
> Now if you want stuff that *really* doesn't seem right, try some of the
> books.
50 shades of trek? :)
>>> I'll just accept it as a throwaway reference for the old-timers :0)
>>
>> but but but if its in the movie it has to be canon and should be linked
>> and referenced so it can be mentioned again later without breaking
>> reality as we know it :-P
>
> <bang>
hehehe
they are the 2 I have seen least as well
>>>> In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now
>>>> be
>>>> regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
>>>
>>> <shudder>
>>
>> it wasnt all that bad, it was getting interesting when it got canned.
>> Still holds the crown for the most WTF ending of a season :)
>
> It also had the strongest opening season of any of the modern Trek shows.
> Go back and watch any of the others now and they aren't good at all.
> S2 and 3 failed to improve on it, losing a lot of viewers. S4 picked up
> nicely but it was too late then :0/
it was and I was quite irritated at the time because as you say it had
picked up and the other 3 spin-offs were all poor in the first 2 or 3
seasons as well, ds9 especially
> I wonder if I still have the .avis anywhere....
> I know I lost a lot of "early download" TV shows at some point.
if not you know a spar who does :)
>>>>>> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
>>>>>> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's virtually a certainty I'd have thought. The cast are all
>>>>> contracted
>>>>> for three films and this will make plenty of money.
>>>>> Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm not sure if he'll have the time with his Star Wars commitments
>>>> but it would be shame if they changed the team too much.
>>>>
>>>>> My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg
>>>>> for a 4th if they get that far.
>>
>> I'd vote klingons, if they bring the Borg in then it would be the
>> throwaway comment again but I cant see how Starfleet could have explored
>> that far to bump into them so much earlier
>
> They were setting them (K's) up to have a bigger part next time round and
> they are very distinctively Trek.
tho the forehead in the movie was quite strange
>>>> Probably. It feels like they would like to try something other than
>>>> having military conflicts with clear villains but doing so in a film
>>>> and
>>>> ensuring the same hype may be difficult. From the original films, only
>>>> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did something particularly different and
>>>> still ended up being highly regarded. Even from the better odd-numbered
>>>> films, a lot of people including cast members likened them to extended
>>>> television episodes.
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are
>>>>> in
>>>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
>>
>> tv show to movie worked fine for the actors but I cant see them wanting
>> to do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would
>> just devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and
>> throwaway comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
>
> I'd still watch it though. I need a decent new "spaceships" show.
apocalyptic future seems to be in vogue, falling skies, revolution or
continuum for example, even the show with aliens in it is earth based
>>>> Yes, I'm hoping for a spin-off series to develop at some point but I
>>>> don't think it will happen until at least the third film has come out.
>>>> They wouldn't want the third film to tie too closely to a TV series if
>>>> it may alienate most viewers, but fan expectations will be of a strong
>>>> canon. It will be interesting to see how that is juggled with the
>>>> Marvel
>>>> films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
>>>>
>>> Hmmm, a Joss Wheedon version of Trek could be fun :0)
>>
>> space cowboys :) or maybe Michael Bay with a transformers crossover
>> hehehe
> <bang again!>
it could work, the transformers could be an offshoot of an earlier borg
evolution...
<hides>
> --
> Alex
news:kviuop$2uu$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Obviously it *could* have happened earlier now that we are in an
>>>>> alternate time line but I doubt it.
>>>> Yes. At a stretch there is Khan's explanation that Starfleet spread out
>>>> further after the fall of Vulcan but I suspect that explanation will be
>>>> used a lot.
>>
>> thats essentially how I've decided to view anything that doesnt seem
>> right to me :)
>>
> Now if you want stuff that *really* doesn't seem right, try some of the
> books.
>>> I'll just accept it as a throwaway reference for the old-timers :0)
>>
>> but but but if its in the movie it has to be canon and should be linked
>> and referenced so it can be mentioned again later without breaking
>> reality as we know it :-P
>
> <bang>
>>>> In fact, Enterprise is probably the only show whose events should now
>>>> be
>>>> regarded as having happened in this timeline. :-)
>>>
>>> <shudder>
>>
>> it wasnt all that bad, it was getting interesting when it got canned.
>> Still holds the crown for the most WTF ending of a season :)
>
> It also had the strongest opening season of any of the modern Trek shows.
> Go back and watch any of the others now and they aren't good at all.
> S2 and 3 failed to improve on it, losing a lot of viewers. S4 picked up
> nicely but it was too late then :0/
picked up and the other 3 spin-offs were all poor in the first 2 or 3
seasons as well, ds9 especially
> I wonder if I still have the .avis anywhere....
> I know I lost a lot of "early download" TV shows at some point.
>>>>>> Overall I liked it a lot and it will be interesting to see how they
>>>>>> follow it up if another film does go ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's virtually a certainty I'd have thought. The cast are all
>>>>> contracted
>>>>> for three films and this will make plenty of money.
>>>>> Not necessarily with JJ Abrams though.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm not sure if he'll have the time with his Star Wars commitments
>>>> but it would be shame if they changed the team too much.
>>>>
>>>>> My guess is Klingons for the main adversary in the next film, and Borg
>>>>> for a 4th if they get that far.
>>
>> I'd vote klingons, if they bring the Borg in then it would be the
>> throwaway comment again but I cant see how Starfleet could have explored
>> that far to bump into them so much earlier
>
> They were setting them (K's) up to have a bigger part next time round and
> they are very distinctively Trek.
>>>> Probably. It feels like they would like to try something other than
>>>> having military conflicts with clear villains but doing so in a film
>>>> and
>>>> ensuring the same hype may be difficult. From the original films, only
>>>> Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did something particularly different and
>>>> still ended up being highly regarded. Even from the better odd-numbered
>>>> films, a lot of people including cast members likened them to extended
>>>> television episodes.
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are
>>>>> in
>>>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
>>
>> tv show to movie worked fine for the actors but I cant see them wanting
>> to do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would
>> just devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and
>> throwaway comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
>
> I'd still watch it though. I need a decent new "spaceships" show.
continuum for example, even the show with aliens in it is earth based
>>>> Yes, I'm hoping for a spin-off series to develop at some point but I
>>>> don't think it will happen until at least the third film has come out.
>>>> They wouldn't want the third film to tie too closely to a TV series if
>>>> it may alienate most viewers, but fan expectations will be of a strong
>>>> canon. It will be interesting to see how that is juggled with the
>>>> Marvel
>>>> films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
>>>>
>>> Hmmm, a Joss Wheedon version of Trek could be fun :0)
>>
>> space cowboys :) or maybe Michael Bay with a transformers crossover
>> hehehe
> <bang again!>
evolution...
<hides>
> --
> Alex
Dr Zoidberg
Aug 28, 2013, 3:00:20 AM8/28/13
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We actually are pretty well served for sci-fi / fantasy shows at the
moment - it's not like some years where there's just one or two to watch,
and many of them are getting renewed which is nice. I guess the Earth based
shows are an easier "sell" to the general public than a pure sci-fi program
with spaceships, not to mention cheaper as well.
--
Alex
> "Dr Zoidberg" <alexNOOOOO!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:kviuop$2uu$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "sparhawk" <imspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kvg9ku$j8j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:kviuop$2uu$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "sparhawk" <imspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kvg9ku$j8j$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> Obviously from a storyline and public interest point of view, we are
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>>>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>>>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
>>>
>>> tv show to movie worked fine for the actors but I cant see them wanting
>>> to do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would
>>> just devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and
>>> throwaway comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
>>
>> I'd still watch it though. I need a decent new "spaceships" show.
>
> apocalyptic future seems to be in vogue, falling skies, revolution or
> continuum for example, even the show with aliens in it is earth based
Defiance.
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> exactly the right place to go into a TV Series now, but I'm not sure
>>>>>> that all of the cast would be interested. A second ship on a 5 year
>>>>>> mission would be a possibility, or one based closer to home....
>>>
>>> tv show to movie worked fine for the actors but I cant see them wanting
>>> to do it the other way. I would also be concerned that any show would
>>> just devolve into a parody of the old timeline with numerous quirks and
>>> throwaway comments to appease or infuriate us old-timers :)
>>
>> I'd still watch it though. I need a decent new "spaceships" show.
>
> apocalyptic future seems to be in vogue, falling skies, revolution or
> continuum for example, even the show with aliens in it is earth based
We actually are pretty well served for sci-fi / fantasy shows at the
moment - it's not like some years where there's just one or two to watch,
and many of them are getting renewed which is nice. I guess the Earth based
shows are an easier "sell" to the general public than a pure sci-fi program
with spaceships, not to mention cheaper as well.
--
Alex
sparhawk
Aug 28, 2013, 3:41:48 PM8/28/13
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cost is probably the main reason I suppose. There are a few new shows
planned for the fall as our american friends say such as a new tomorrow
people, the 100 ( post nuclear apocalypse), sleepy hollow as a detective
show ?! and almost human (cop show with human/android partners) as always
I'll give em a try when they turn up :)
planned for the fall as our american friends say such as a new tomorrow
people, the 100 ( post nuclear apocalypse), sleepy hollow as a detective
show ?! and almost human (cop show with human/android partners) as always
I'll give em a try when they turn up :)
Dr Zoidberg
Aug 29, 2013, 2:26:39 AM8/29/13
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The Last Ship is another that I'm looking forward to.
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--
Alex
Jyoti Mishra
May 16, 2021, 10:04:34 PM5/16/21
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On Sat, 11 May 2013 08:19:14 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg"
<AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still here
>which is a *huge* shame.
HALLOOO! A bit late, admittedly! :-)
<AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>This is just a test really, as I'm not expecting to find anyone still here
>which is a *huge* shame.
>A new Star Trek film, and a good one, and what was one of my favourite
>places on the web (or anywhere, come to think of it) is abandoned.
my Mac, then Windows 10 and then Forte Agent 8, which I'm now posting
from. I am posting *from the fuuuutuurreee!*
I used to love this place back in... 1996?
>if any of the old regulars do happen to read this, you have no idea how much
>UMTSS meant to me at the time. Thanks for some absolutely brilliant
>conversations which were often then highlight of my week.
>
>Hope you are all doing well.
hopefully DST will be back on this year? Or maybe 2022?
LLAP!
Jyoti
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