[313] Incredible...
Andrew Wright
ever seen. Even more because it was a /stand alone/ episode, no big
arc, no big fight, no season climax. Just a little stand alone, in the
middle of the season, with some great moments.
So, we have the high points;
o John and D'Argo bickering like a pair of kids at the begining,
o The photography in the club,
o Jools the gymnast,
o Chiana the fire walker (does anyone know how they did that? I'm
guessing CGI, or does Gigi Edgley have other talents?),
o John waking up,
o John in stockings!!!
o Hell just about all of it,
o D'Argo meeting Harvey (who solves a problem, AGAIN),
o D'Argo dancing, (oh, hell, Jool and Chiana dancing too.....)
o A simple one, the occasional voice over, classy touch,
o Chiana /killing/ Fe'Tor with an OD, and John letting her,
o That Raxil completely out maneouvred D'Argo and Crichton,
o The closing dialogue, with Pilot as the parent figure to the arguing
kids.
o The lack of a simple 'good' ending,
And a couple of lows
o Er, were there any? Yes, bloody Aussy accents again,
o A club that wouldn't be out of place in Miami Vice.
Overall, a great single episode. I'm not exactly sure why the Beeb
needed the late night slot. Sure the killing a Fe'Tor would have had to
be cut at 6:45, but other than that it wasn't too bad was it? The
overall theme (drugs are bad m'kay) wasn't exactly suitable, but then
very little of Farscape is. Typical BBC inconsistencies.
27 hours to the next episode,
Andrew
--
Andrew Wright <*> and...@stardock.u-net.com
"...as much as our humanity got us into this, our
humanity is the only thing that will get us out again..."
jayembee
> o Chiana the fire walker (does anyone know how they
> did that? I'm guessing CGI, or does Gigi Edgley have
> other talents?),
It was Gigi herself.
http://www.ruththomas.co.uk/farscape/gigi_edgley/gigi_edgley.html
has photos of Gigi practicing her fire-twirling. Unfortunately,
all of the thumbnails on this page aren't accessible as blown-up
jpgs
-- jayembee (jerry period boyajian at-sign eds period com)
"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting wepwicants." (Hawwison Fudd, BWADE WUNNER)
Tane
during summer breaks :-)
-=-=-
Tane
Tane
"Tane" <ta...@nospam.sfisher66.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9trcp0$1rc$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Gigi did the fire-throwing stuff, apparently that was how she made money
> during summer breaks :-)
Before Farscape, that is...
-=-=-
Tane
Iain Clark
Good grief. What does she have to do to earn money in summer breaks
these days?
Iain
--
"Signs, portents, dreams...next thing
we'll be reading tea leaves and chicken entrails."
Carmel Hogben
Mark Morrison
iainj...@dragonhaven.worldonline.co.uk (Iain Clark) wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:25:24 -0000, "Tane"
><ta...@nospam.sfisher66.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Tane" <ta...@nospam.sfisher66.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:9trcp0$1rc$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Gigi did the fire-throwing stuff, apparently that was how she made money
>>> during summer breaks :-)
>>
>> Before Farscape, that is...
>
>Good grief. What does she have to do to earn money in summer breaks
>these days?
>
Conventions.
Tane
> >>> Gigi did the fire-throwing stuff, apparently that was how she made
money
> >>> during summer breaks :-)
> >>
> >> Before Farscape, that is...
> >
> >Good grief. What does she have to do to earn money in summer breaks
> >these days?
> >
> Conventions.
They have fire throwing conventions! Cool.
-=--=-
Tane
Gideon Nisbet
Andrew Wright <an...@stardock.u-net.com> wrote in message
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> So, we have the high points;
>
> guessing CGI, or does Gigi Edgley have other talents?),
She does indeed; circus training. I think it's the season two Farscape
Companion book that mentions it, in connection with 'Taking the Stone'.
-Gideon
Andrew Wright
and we get any other top episode. If they can match this next week,
I'll be very surprised.
OK, first the story. Jack's back, and now he's in trouble. I don't
entirely trust him 100.0%, even if Crichton does. Like everyone else in
this story he has his own motives, and he was a little too quick to
convert the stabliser do-da into a bomb. Likewise I don't trust Fur-lo
(Florlo? Fuer-Lo? Fur-Low?), she didn't seem to be in too bad a shape
for someone who had just been tortured. I was surprised she was able to
copy the whole Farscape Module so quickly, although I note she did copy
the US and ISA logos. Anyone remember how she figured out the
stabliser?
Then there's Harvey. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So he's back
in the driving seat, and Crichton doesn't look to likely to come back.
Remember who won last time? Even if Crichton does survive, I'll lay
money on him not surviving the next episode. I just loved the
roller-coaster ride, a really simple image, and so plain and simple.
Not the fancy, arty approach that other shows would have take. I'm
guessing that the fun fair is in Sydney (the bridge sort of gave it
away), any ideas how many takes it took to film the sequence? Or how
they kept the camera stable? The Skywalker residence is out in the
Outback somewhere? Great battle BTW, even if the villains were just a
little too easy to kill.
Finally, the big picture. This doesn't look good does it? Maybe Scorpy
will win after all?
How long to next week?
Mark Morrison
7 days.
Ade Vickers
> >
> >How long to next week?
> >
> 7 days.
>
6 days 22hours, actually :)
Still a hell of a wait :(
--
"I may have invented Ctrl-Alt-Del, but Microsoft made it popular."
- David Bradley, one of the designers of the original IBM PC
Christa Jonkergouw
>Then there's Harvey. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So he's back
>in the driving seat, and Crichton doesn't look to likely to come back.
>Remember who won last time? Even if Crichton does survive, I'll lay
>money on him not surviving the next episode.
Which brings all ties nicely to an end: remember we have still a
Crichton too many!
--
Christa
If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing
Christa Jonkergouw
>
>How long to next week?
Is this where we're going to overtake the Merikans?
Nick
> Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:52:42 +0100 tikte dan wel citeerde Andrew Wright:
>
>>
>>How long to next week?
>
> Is this where we're going to overtake the Merikans?
Not yet. After todays broadcast are 4 episodes ahead.
Nick
Stick the word "we" in there somewhere.
David
Not yet. After todays broadcast are 4 episodes ahead. We
gotcha
--
David Welch
da...@lightsurge.net
http://www.hopeful.tv/
Andrew Wright
(in message <9tt8bj$8bt$1...@vins1.reading.ac.uk>):
>
> She does indeed; circus training. I think it's the season two Farscape
> Companion book that mentions it, in connection with 'Taking the Stone'.
>
I'd like to see the circus features jumping down a deep hole without a
safety net. [1]
Seriously, thanks for the info folks. Sure beats having 'ice skating'
on your CV.
Andrew
[1] Or, in light of recent events, perhaps not.
Vivianne Cheshire
Jonkergouw <christa@news_guy.invalid.com> writes
>Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:52:42 +0100 tikte dan wel citeerde Andrew Wright:
>
>>Then there's Harvey. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So he's back
>>in the driving seat, and Crichton doesn't look to likely to come back.
>>Remember who won last time? Even if Crichton does survive, I'll lay
>>money on him not surviving the next episode.
>
>Which brings all ties nicely to an end: remember we have still a
>Crichton too many!
>
with Aeryn which will cause her problems when she is eventually reunited
with the other Crichton, especially if she's the one who pulled the
trigger on Harvey/Crichton. I can see her going back into Peacekeeper-
hard-bitch mode and not allowing herself feelings for the MoyaCrichton.
However, MoyaCrichton still has Harvey....
Rygel's dead... again.
Best line: After Crais says something about something not working and
Stark says "....but I'm feeling better".
Did Talyn's flypast do any good?
Why hasn't MoyaCrichton been summoned to meet the Ancients? What a
laugh if they both turned up.
Crichton sniffing Aeryn's bottom.....
I like Furlow(sp).
--
"We aliens, set apart, reach only with fantasies"
Alison
<vivi...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Rygel's dead... again.
Well, he's certainly feeling a bit poorly ...
>
>Best line: After Crais says something about something not working and
>Stark says "....but I'm feeling better".
Crais also said something about problems with the docking controls.
Has someone (or something) boarded Talyn?
>
>Did Talyn's flypast do any good?
It saw off several of the rasta nasties who had Our Heroes boxed in
and enabled them to survive long enough to get into Furlow's workshop
(aka a redundant Australian power station).
>
>Why hasn't MoyaCrichton been summoned to meet the Ancients? What a
>laugh if they both turned up.
Maybe they will next week.
>
>Crichton sniffing Aeryn's bottom.....
>
He's got too die, he's having far too much fun.
>I like Furlow(sp).
Me too.
Alison
InsAnimal
"Vivianne Cheshire" <vivi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4Dm+0qBg...@ntlworld.com...
> However, MoyaCrichton still has Harvey....
Yeah, perhaps MoyaHarvey turning up in Scratch 'n' Sniff was an indication
of him growing stronger - scary stuff...
> Best line: After Crais says something about something not working and
> Stark says "....but I'm feeling better".
For me, not a best line but just an expression : the little smile that
crosses Johns face when Jack says "My given name is fgberkngsvrmfifgd but
you can call me Jack" - as if he's thinking "well that gag's hardly new..."
> Crichton sniffing Aeryn's bottom.....
The doity dawg.
Cheers,
InsAnimal
--
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Jim Larson
> Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:52:42 +0100 tikte dan wel citeerde Andrew Wright:
>
>>
>>How long to next week?
>
> Is this where we're going to overtake the Merikans?
>
Not yet. We have seen up to 318.
--
Jim
Christa Jonkergouw
Cheshire:
>If a Crichton has to die my money's on the one who's formed a *bond*
>with Aeryn which will cause her problems when she is eventually reunited
>with the other Crichton, especially if she's the one who pulled the
>trigger on Harvey/Crichton. I can see her going back into Peacekeeper-
>hard-bitch mode and not allowing herself feelings for the MoyaCrichton.
>
>However, MoyaCrichton still has Harvey....
Ah... which reminds me: Daddy Jack doesn't know about the other
Crichton does he?
Vivianne Cheshire
<insa...@hotmail.com> writes
>For me, not a best line but just an expression : the little smile that
>crosses Johns face when Jack says "My given name is fgberkngsvrmfifgd but
>you can call me Jack" - as if he's thinking "well that gag's hardly new..."
He sounded like a Goa'ould.
Mark Myers
> In article <soa50u00ndpiqsu2s...@4ax.com>, Christa
> Jonkergouw <christa@news_guy.invalid.com> writes
> >Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:52:42 +0100 tikte dan wel citeerde Andrew Wright:
> >
> >>Then there's Harvey. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So he's back
> >>in the driving seat, and Crichton doesn't look to likely to come back.
> >>Remember who won last time? Even if Crichton does survive, I'll lay
> >>money on him not surviving the next episode.
> >
> >Which brings all ties nicely to an end: remember we have still a
> >Crichton too many!
> >
> If a Crichton has to die my money's on the one who's formed a *bond*
> with Aeryn which will cause her problems when she is eventually reunited
> with the other Crichton, especially if she's the one who pulled the
> trigger on Harvey/Crichton. I can see her going back into Peacekeeper-
> hard-bitch mode and not allowing herself feelings for the MoyaCrichton.
>
<evil grin>
If Aeryn has to kill John it would, sort of, make them even, wouldn't it?
</eg>
Actually I'm inclined to think that MoyaJohn will have to kill
TalynJohnHarvey, if anyone.
I am a bit surprised that Harvey was able to over-power John's psyche,
but it does work, in the long run.
--
Mark Myers
jahdzia at iname dot com
Vivianne Cheshire
<spam...@see.sig> writes
>Actually I'm inclined to think that MoyaJohn will have to kill
>TalynJohnHarvey, if anyone.
But will MoyaHarvey let him?
Mark Morrison
<javi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Mark Morrison wrote in uk.media.tv.sf.farscape:
>> >
>> >How long to next week?
>> >
>> 7 days.
>>
>
>6 days 22hours, actually :)
>
>Still a hell of a wait :(
Not for me - I watched it right afterwards, to remind myself what
happened. :)
Carol Hague
> Rygel's dead... again.
Is he? Wounded certainly and probably passed out - or playing dead and
hoping the aliens-whose-names-I've-already-forgotten are more concerned
with getting the module than with dinner...
I wouldn't write him off just yet, he's too annoying to die....
>
> Best line: After Crais says something about something not working and
> Stark says "....but I'm feeling better".
I rather liked the bit where Stark's trying to point out his usefulness
to the blinded Crais by saying "I can see !" and the response is "If
only you could think...."
> I like Furlow(sp).
Yes. Don't *trust* her as far as I could throw a budong though...
--
Carol Hague
Lee
> >
>
> Not yet. We have seen up to 318.
I'll try to resist spoiling y'all and, when you complain, say "oh, but that
episode was a week ago, EVERYONE's seen it by now." 8)
Lee
> with Aeryn which will cause her problems when she is eventually reunited
> with the other Crichton, especially if she's the one who pulled the
> trigger on Harvey/Crichton. I can see her going back into Peacekeeper-
> hard-bitch mode and not allowing herself feelings for the MoyaCrichton.
>
> However, MoyaCrichton still has Harvey....
I don't know. . . for a long time I thought of MoyaCrichton as the "real"
John, the one likely to survive, because he seemed more like the John we
know. But after seeing this ep, I wonder. TalynCrichton has finally started
obsessing about wormholes, something I guess MoyaCrichton had to do in the
absence of Sun-worship. 8)
Lee
> but it does work, in the long run.
It can't be that simple. TalynHarvey might have been able to recover quicker
because he's not so tied to John's physiology, being a squatter as he is.
Lee
> >> >
> >> 7 days.
> >>
> >
> >6 days 22hours, actually :)
> >
> >Still a hell of a wait :(
>
> Not for me - I watched it right afterwards, to remind myself what
> happened. :)
Well, nyah. 8P
Nick
If you see the last few eps before we do I fully expect spoilers over
here. I figure that I read at my own risk. Much like you folks do in
ATF.
Lee
> here. I figure that I read at my own risk. Much like you folks do in
> ATF.
That's very easy-going of you. Most of the Yanks I've ever been spoiled by
have, when I've comnplained, said it was no big deal, I'll see the ep
eventually, and if I didn't want to be spoiled I shouldn't be on the
Internet anyway, especially since it was an American invention. All the more
amusing when you see their reactions to being spoiled, which by the very
ferocity seem to imply the spoiler is himself a member of Al Quaeda.
Nick
Well, this is a UK newsgroup. Now if you went and posted spoilers in
ATF I might be a bit unhappy.
Steve Brooks
"Alison" wrote
> Vivianne Cheshire wrote:
<snip>
> >I like Furlow(sp).
>
> Me too.
I particularly liked her propositioning Crichton.. Especially given the
earlier conversation with Aeryn..
--
SB
Heckler 埠汗
"Christa Jonkergouw" <christa@news_guy.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:soa50u00ndpiqsu2s...@4ax.com...
> Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:52:42 +0100 tikte dan wel citeerde Andrew Wright:
>
> >Then there's Harvey. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So he's back
> >in the driving seat, and Crichton doesn't look to likely to come back.
> >Remember who won last time? Even if Crichton does survive, I'll lay
> >money on him not surviving the next episode.
>
> Which brings all ties nicely to an end: remember we have still a
> Crichton too many!
oooh what a twist... They kill Scorpy/John, and how will Aeryn deal with
losing her lover... and how will she be with Moya John afterwards.......
We could be right back to the will they ever get it on story....
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Lee
> ATF I might be a bit unhappy.
So it'd be OK for an American to come in here and post spoilers where it
doesn't matter, but not OK for me to come over to your part of the net and
spoiled you?
Lee
> losing her lover... and how will she be with Moya John afterwards.......
>
> We could be right back to the will they ever get it on story....
Or the "reset button" as we call it. . .
Christa Jonkergouw
Wasn't that called the Star Trek button?
Mark Myers
AFAICS, that's not what Nick was implying. In fact the spoiler
relationship between the Americans who frequent this group and the
Europeans is very good. IOW, they don't spoil us over here, and we don't
go over there and spoil them.
Mark Myers
Except that it wouldn't be a reset. The Farscape writers don't let the
characters 'forget' what has happened before, do they.
Lee
> relationship between the Americans who frequent this group and the
> Europeans is very good. IOW, they don't spoil us over here, and we don't
> go over there and spoil them.
Yeah, I know, I'm just very cynical about the whole spoiling thing these
days.
Mark Myers
Well, you will get the odd wanker, obviously (on both sides), but that's
no need to upset the colonials, they'll get uppity and go off their
chocolate.
Lee
> > days.
> >
>
> Well, you will get the odd wanker, obviously (on both sides), but that's
> no need to upset the colonials, they'll get uppity and go off their
> chocolate.
And we couldn't have that, could we? 8)
Mark Blunden
news:1006956637.19619....@news.demon.co.uk...
Certainly not - if they go off their chocolate, they might start exporting
it over here, and you wouldn't want that. ;P
--
Mark.
mar...@btinternet.com
* Don't jinx it
Lee
> > > that's no need to upset the colonials, they'll get uppity and go off
> > > their chocolate.
> >
> > And we couldn't have that, could we? 8)
>
> Certainly not - if they go off their chocolate, they might start exporting
> it over here, and you wouldn't want that. ;P
*shudder* God, no.
stefaan.dc
><christa@news_guy.invalid.com> wrote:
>> Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:08:32 +0000 tikte dan wel citeerde Vivianne
>> Cheshire:
>>If a Crichton has to die my money's on the one who's formed a *bond*
>>with Aeryn which will cause her problems when she is eventually reunited
>>with the other Crichton, especially if she's the one who pulled the
>>trigger on Harvey/Crichton. I can see her going back into Peacekeeper-
>>hard-bitch mode and not allowing herself feelings for the MoyaCrichton.
>>However, MoyaCrichton still has Harvey....
> Crichton does he?
>
I think he knows. Why would he appear on Talyn instaed of Moya? I don't
think Talyn was born yet when the Ancients met John the first time.
--
Stefaan DC
Heckler 埠汗
"stefaan.dc" <bk28...@skynet.be> wrote in message
news:3c053fde$0$14657$ba62...@news.skynet.be...
He didn't come to Crichton, Crichton went looking for him... He was drawn by
some connection they had.
Nick
Yes.
Seriously, when did I ever say that?
In the UK group I would expect spoilers for UK episodes.
In ATF I would expect spoilers for (and I know that some people argue
about this but there is really no other place for US episodes) US
episodes. I would not want spoilers here for eps not yet shown here
just as I would not want spoilers there for eps not yet shown there.
Nick
Yes, that is what I meant.
Unfortunately, there are some idiots on both sides who seem to enjoy
doing it anyway.
Nick
The Locket
Nick
I see that I now also appear to go by the name Mark Myers.
You are a very bright fellow, Mark.
Jim Larson
Zhaan and Stark remembered.
--
Jim
Nick
Nobody else did. So most of the characters "forgot".
And they shouldn't have remembered either, anyway.
Stormbringer
<ni...@snurcher.com> writes
Excuse me for coming in late here...
But doesn't that mean that the spoilers for the UK/US episodes aren't
actually spoilers?
I'm confused....
--
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jayembee
> If they can match this next week, I'll be very surprised.
Be prepared to be surprised.
> Likewise I don't trust Fur-lo (Florlo? Fuer-Lo? Fur-Low?),
Furlow.
> she didn't seem to be in too bad a shape for someone
> who had just been tortured. I was surprised she was
> able to copy the whole Farscape Module so quickly,
Well, it *has* been about two whole cycles since she first
worked on John's module.
> although I note she did copy the US and ISA logos.
Yes, it seems odd, but if you think about it in terms of
reducing variables, it makes some amount of sense.
Even if you can't see why they would affect the process,
you might as well make as exact a duplicate as you can,
just in case.
> Anyone remember how she figured out the stabliser?
Well, it seems that most people think she's a simple
mechanic, but it's obvious that she's more than that.
Consider the fact that (back in "Till the Blood Runs
Clear") she was able to identify stresses on John's
module caused by wormhole distortions, just by sight.
Wormhole tech has obviously been an avocation of
hers for a good long while.
-- jayembee (jerry period boyajian at-sign eds period com)
"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting wepwicants." (Hawwison Fudd, BWADE WUNNER)
Jim Larson
> In article <9u5uac$66k3q$3...@ID-19674.news.dfncis.de>, Nick
><ni...@snurcher.com> writes
>>Lee wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, this is a UK newsgroup. Now if you went and posted spoilers
>>>> in ATF I might be a bit unhappy.
>>>
>>> So it'd be OK for an American to come in here and post spoilers
>>> where it doesn't matter, but not OK for me to come over to your
>>> part of the net and spoiled you?
>>
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Seriously, when did I ever say that?
>>In the UK group I would expect spoilers for UK episodes.
>>In ATF I would expect spoilers for (and I know that some people argue
>>about this but there is really no other place for US episodes) US
>>episodes. I would not want spoilers here for eps not yet shown here
>>just as I would not want spoilers there for eps not yet shown there.
>
> Excuse me for coming in late here...
> But doesn't that mean that the spoilers for the UK/US episodes aren't
> actually spoilers?
Yes.
>
> I'm confused....
>
So am I. I don't even know what I just said "yes" to.
--
Jim
jayembee
> Is this where we're going to overtake the Merikans?
Assuming that there are no more pre-emptions or special
Saturday-night airings on the Beeb, you will be caught
up to us with the episode airing Christmas Eve.
But I was under the impression that the Beeb was going
to delay the final four of the season, same as Sci-Fi, so
it's not clear that you will overtake us at all.
Nick
> In article <9u5uac$66k3q$3...@ID-19674.news.dfncis.de>, Nick
> <ni...@snurcher.com> writes
>>Lee wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, this is a UK newsgroup. Now if you went and posted
>>>> spoilers in ATF I might be a bit unhappy.
>>>
>>> So it'd be OK for an American to come in here and post spoilers
>>> where it doesn't matter, but not OK for me to come over to your
>>> part of the net and spoiled you?
>>
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Seriously, when did I ever say that?
>>In the UK group I would expect spoilers for UK episodes.
>>In ATF I would expect spoilers for (and I know that some people
>>argue about this but there is really no other place for US
>>episodes) US episodes. I would not want spoilers here for eps not
>>yet shown here just as I would not want spoilers there for eps not
>>yet shown there.
>
> Excuse me for coming in late here...
> But doesn't that mean that the spoilers for the UK/US episodes
> aren't actually spoilers?
>
> I'm confused....
>
Yes, I think it does.
What I was attempting to say is that no one should post spoilers to a
group that has not seen an episode. And if I read a group that is
further along in episodes than I am I do so at my own risk.
jayembee
> Ah... which reminds me: Daddy Jack doesn't know
> about the other Crichton does he?
No, as a matter of fact, he doesn't. On the other hand,
it wasn't relevant. The only reason Talyn!John brought
it up was because Jack was going to unlock the secret
of the wormhole tech in Talyn!John's mind, and he
wasn't sure that was a good idea as long as Talyn!Harvey
was around. The fact that there's a Moya!Harvey inside
Moya!John had no bearing.
Steve Brooks
"jayembee (Jerry Boyajian)"wrote
<snip>
> But I was under the impression that the Beeb was going
> to delay the final four of the season, same as Sci-Fi,
If they do it will be very unusual. Though as you say they may have a
shorter pause during the Christmas/New Year period
--
SB
jayembee
>> Best line: After Crais says something about something
>> not working and Stark says "....but I'm feeling better".
> I rather liked the bit where Stark's trying to point out his
> usefulness to the blinded Crais by saying "I can see !"
> and the response is "If only you could think...."
Me, I rather liked "Let me be your eye."
Nick
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:05:30 +0100, Christa Jonkergouw babbled...
>
>> Ah... which reminds me: Daddy Jack doesn't know about the other
>> Crichton does he?
>
> No, as a matter of fact, he doesn't.
I think the best you can say here is that we don't know.
Iain Clark
>> oooh what a twist... They kill Scorpy/John, and how will Aeryn deal with
>> losing her lover... and how will she be with Moya John afterwards.......
>>
>> We could be right back to the will they ever get it on story....
>
>Or the "reset button" as we call it. . .
>
No way that would be a reset button, because it puts the characters in
a new stalemate rather than moving backwards. Tthe dynamic would be
entirely different. It would serve the same plot purpose, but it
would still move the characters forward.
Not sure if I want it to happen, though.
Iain
--
"Signs, portents, dreams...next thing
we'll be reading tea leaves and chicken entrails."
jayembee
>> Well, this is a UK newsgroup. Now if you went and
>> posted spoilers in ATF I might be a bit unhappy.
> So it'd be OK for an American to come in here and
> post spoilers where it doesn't matter, but not OK for
> me to come over to your part of the net and spoiled you?
Where on Earth did you get that from what Nick said?
What he said was that he would think it perfectly
reasonable for *you* folks to post spoilers for the
final four episodes here, and that any Americans
run the risk of being spoiled by continuing to read
this group. It would *not* be OK for you to post
spoilers in ATF about those episodes.
Similarly, it's OK for Americans to post spoilers about
episodes we've seen that you haven't in ATF, but it's
*not* OK to do so in UKMTVSF
Clear?
I think it stems from the fact that this happened last
season (and I'm sure Merkins have done the same
here, so I'm not pointing fingers). Me, I came here
and read the spoilers anyways because I'm not
bothered by them, but others were unhappy.
Mark Morrison
And sexy.
Oh, you were talking to the other Mark...
jayembee
>> Ah... which reminds me: Daddy Jack doesn't know
>> about the other Crichton does he?
> I think he knows. Why would he appear on Talyn instaed
> of Moya? I don't think Talyn was born yet when the
> Ancients met John the first time.
How is that relevant?
Jack appeared on Talyn, because Talyn!John was the
one who responded to the mental signal that Jack sent
out. This was mentioned at the beginning of the episode
in John and Aeryn's conversation.
Whether or not Moya!John also "heard" the signal is
left for you to find out on your own.
jayembee
> Mark Myers wrote:
>> Except that it wouldn't be a reset. The Farscape writers
>> don't let the characters 'forget' what has happened
>> before, do they.
> The Locket
Stark and Zhaan remembered what happened. So it
depends on whether one means that the writers won't
let *any* of the characters remember or just some of
them.
jayembee
> "jayembee (Jerry Boyajian)"wrote
> <snip>
>> But I was under the impression that the Beeb was going
>> to delay the final four of the season, same as Sci-Fi,
> If they do it will be very unusual.
No argument there. But I did a Google search and found
the following posting (which is the source of my "impression"):
<quote>
From: Thinkum (thinku...@snurcher.com)
Subject: Season 3 schedule on the BBC -- what's up?
Newsgroups: uk.media.tv.sf.farscape
Date: 2001-10-29 17:18:59 PST
Dan Kelly wrote:
> Ade Vickers wrote:
>>
>> Are the early S3 episodes available on video or DVD rental in the UK
>> yet?
>
> We expect S34 DVD's to arrive sometime in March - shortly after we beat
> the US to the final episodes <BEG>
According to FarscapeWorld.com, BBC says they won't finish up S3 in the UK
until March:
http://www.farscapeworld.com/news/1004188504.shtml
(I know nothing more about this than what I read at the above link. I am not
getting my hopes up, one way or the other.)
--
Thinkum
</quote>
Mark Blunden
news:oa8d0u4p5m77unh62...@4ax.com...
Oh, thank y-
<checks headers>
Is it just me, or are there a lot of Marks around here?
--
Mark.
mark.b...@ntlworld.com
* Never cross the streams!
Mark Morrison
You can never have too many Marks.
Unless you're in bed.
Lee
> >>> the characters 'forget' what has happened before, do they.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Locket
> >
> > Zhaan and Stark remembered.
> >
>
> Nobody else did. So most of the characters "forgot".
> And they shouldn't have remembered either, anyway.
Zhaan = dead, Stark = just visiting sanity. Expecting them to remember is
the quivalent of using Arcserve for your backups.
Lee
>
> You can never have too many Marks.
>
> Unless you're in bed.
Full Marks?
catherine
can you leave the attributions please so we know who said what? Thanks.
Christa Jonkergouw
That was easy - it was all marks.
--
Christa
If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing
Steve Brooks
"Mark Morrison" wrote
> "Mark Blunden" wrote:
> >"Mark Morrison" wrote
> >>
> >> >Mark Myers wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:22:39 -0000, Lee wrote ...
> >> >>> > AFAICS, that's not what Nick was implying. In fact the spoiler
> >> >>> > relationship between the Americans who frequent this group and
> >> >>> > the Europeans is very good. IOW, they don't spoil us over here,
> >> >>> > and we don't go over there and spoil them.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yeah, I know, I'm just very cynical about the whole spoiling thing
> >> >>> these days.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, you will get the odd wanker, obviously (on both sides), but
> >> >> that's no need to upset the colonials, they'll get uppity and go
> >> >> off their chocolate.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I see that I now also appear to go by the name Mark Myers.
> >> >You are a very bright fellow, Mark.
> >>
> >> And sexy.
> >>
> >> Oh, you were talking to the other Mark...
> >
> >Oh, thank y-
> >
> ><checks headers>
> >
> >Is it just me, or are there a lot of Marks around here?
>
> You can never have too many Marks.
But come January we'll have to change them all to Euros...
--
SB
Steve Brooks
"jayembee (Jerry Boyajian)" wrote
I read that when she first posted the URL.. I'm just not convinced by it.
We're talking about c 8 weeks worth of breaks..
--
SB
Mark Myers
> Mark Myers wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:28:07 -0000, Lee wrote ...
> >> > oooh what a twist... They kill Scorpy/John, and how will Aeryn
> >> > deal with losing her lover... and how will she be with Moya John
> >> > afterwards.......
> >> >
> >> > We could be right back to the will they ever get it on story....
> >>
> >> Or the "reset button" as we call it. . .
> >>
> >
> > the characters 'forget' what has happened before, do they.
> >
>
> The Locket
>
Still vying for the pedants badge? :-)
--
Mark Myers
jahdzia at iname dot com
Mark Myers
> Mark Myers wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:22:39 -0000, Lee wrote ...
> >> > AFAICS, that's not what Nick was implying. In fact the spoiler
> >> > relationship between the Americans who frequent this group and
> >> > the Europeans is very good. IOW, they don't spoil us over here,
> >> > and we don't go over there and spoil them.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I know, I'm just very cynical about the whole spoiling thing
> >> these days.
> >>
> >
> > Well, you will get the odd wanker, obviously (on both sides), but
> > that's no need to upset the colonials, they'll get uppity and go
> > off their chocolate.
> >
>
> I see that I now also appear to go by the name Mark Myers.
It's too early, I don't get it.
> You are a very bright fellow, Mark.
>
That flies in the face of the available evidence ...
Nick
Nah, I know when I am outclassed.
Nick
> On 29 Nov 2001 18:26:10 GMT, Nick wrote ...
>> Mark Myers wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:22:39 -0000, Lee wrote ...
>> >> > AFAICS, that's not what Nick was implying. In fact the
>> >> > spoiler relationship between the Americans who frequent this
>> >> > group and the Europeans is very good. IOW, they don't spoil
>> >> > us over here, and we don't go over there and spoil them.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, I know, I'm just very cynical about the whole spoiling
>> >> thing these days.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, you will get the odd wanker, obviously (on both sides),
>> > but that's no need to upset the colonials, they'll get uppity
>> > and go off their chocolate.
>> >
>>
>> I see that I now also appear to go by the name Mark Myers.
I replied to a couple of posts and then I saw that you had already
replied saying almost exactly the same thing.
Thinkum
> jayembee (Jerry Boyajian) wrote
>> Steve Brooks babbled...
>>> jayembee (Jerry Boyajian) wrote
>>>>
>>>> to delay the final four of the season, same as Sci-Fi,
>>
>>> If they do it will be very unusual.
>>
>> No argument there. But I did a Google search and found
>> the following posting (which is the source of my "impression"):
>>
>> <quote>
>
>> Dan Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> We expect S34 DVD's to arrive sometime in March - shortly after we beat
>>> the US to the final episodes <BEG>
>>
>> According to FarscapeWorld.com, BBC says they won't finish up S3 in the UK
>> until March:
>>
>> http://www.farscapeworld.com/news/1004188504.shtml
>>
>> (I know nothing more about this than what I read at the above link. I am
>> not getting my hopes up, one way or the other.)
>
> I read that when she first posted the URL.. I'm just not convinced by it.
> We're talking about c 8 weeks worth of breaks..
I followed up with that site last night, btw -- they're going back in search
of additional confirmation, but that's the last data they had from the Beeb.
Still not getting my hopes up, one way or the other.
--
Thinkum
http://www.snurcher.com/
"You're very wise." "I don't get out much, so I read."
Mark Myers
>
> I replied to a couple of posts and then I saw that you had already
> replied saying almost exactly the same thing.
>
Ah, well great minds think alike ...
Nick
> On 30 Nov 2001 13:30:00 GMT, Nick wrote ...
>>
>> I replied to a couple of posts and then I saw that you had already
>> replied saying almost exactly the same thing.
>>
>
> Ah, well great minds think alike ...
>
Unfortunately, so do poor ones.
Mark Myers
We never talk about that.
Mark Morrison
<casumme...@velocityhsi.com> wrote:
Y'know, I prefer this anonymous method better...
Stormbringer
Larson <larso...@yahoo.com> writes
>Stormbringer wrote:
>
>> In article <9u5uac$66k3q$3...@ID-19674.news.dfncis.de>, Nick
>><ni...@snurcher.com> writes
>>>Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well, this is a UK newsgroup. Now if you went and posted spoilers
>>>>> in ATF I might be a bit unhappy.
>>>>
>>>> So it'd be OK for an American to come in here and post spoilers
>>>> where it doesn't matter, but not OK for me to come over to your
>>>> part of the net and spoiled you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Seriously, when did I ever say that?
>>>In the UK group I would expect spoilers for UK episodes.
>>>In ATF I would expect spoilers for (and I know that some people argue
>>>about this but there is really no other place for US episodes) US
>>>episodes. I would not want spoilers here for eps not yet shown here
>>>just as I would not want spoilers there for eps not yet shown there.
>>
>> Excuse me for coming in late here...
>> But doesn't that mean that the spoilers for the UK/US episodes aren't
>> actually spoilers?
>
>Yes.
>
>>
>> I'm confused....
>>
>
>So am I. I don't even know what I just said "yes" to.
>
If it's any help, it's usually a response I save for the following
poser;
"Another pint?"
--
>>-8> @_. StormSig
v2.0
** Storm **
How're you s'posed to open these new milk cartons?
Why don't they make Golden Nuggets no more?
Mark Bringer
<ussc...@yahoo.com> writes
I'd give her One....
;)
Stormbringer
<ni...@snurcher.com> writes
I believe the phrase you are scrabbling for is;
"Fools seldom differ"....
Lee
You would. 8)
Andrew Wright
really, it didn't attempt to be a sequel, instead of being an all
action, battle 'em down episode what we got was a slower, quieter
episode. I /think/ that was a better solution, after the pace and drive
of last week producing a direct sequel just wouldn't have worked.
Still, there was some great action sequences, the Mad Max style chase,
the death of Harvey, the destruction of the dreadnought (wow, oh wow,
oh wooowwy), but together that didn't add up to a great episode.
Which brings us to the weepy side. First (to start a flame war) Ms
Black just doesn't do weepy very well does she? Second, the death of
Crichton should have been more emotional, (Zhann's was!), but it was
let down by the nagging doubt that this wouldn't happen if there wasn't
a 'spare' John kicking around.
Finally, where does that leave the story? Well, ten points to all those
who guessed Crichton would die. I'd guess well be seeing the reunion of
Moya and Talyn soon. Then we'll have a painfull reunion of Aeryn and
the other Crichton. Then what? The death of the other Harvey? The
PK-Scarran war? Another attempt to crack worm hole knowledge?
I guess we'll have to wait TWO FECKING WEEKS. Bastard Corporation. The
sooner they're stripped of all sport the better.
Andrew
--
Andrew Wright <*> and...@stardock.u-net.com
"...as much as our humanity got us into this, our
humanity is the only thing that will get us out again..."
jayembee
> It was a hell of an episode, but was it better than part
> one? Not really,
Yes, really.
> it didn't attempt to be a sequel, instead of being an
> all action, battle 'em down episode what we got was
> a slower, quieter episode. I /think/ that was a better
> solution, after the pace and drive of last week producing
> a direct sequel just wouldn't have worked.
It wasn't meant to be a sequel. It was exactly was it was:
Part 2 of a 2-part episode. It was one single story.
> [...] the destruction of the dreadnought (wow, oh wow,
> oh wooowwy),
At least now we understand what Scorpy is trying to do
in developing wormhole weapons. :-)
> Which brings us to the weepy side. First (to start a flame
> war) Ms Black just doesn't do weepy very well does she?
She sure as hell does. Talyn!John's death didn't affect
me *nearly* as much as Aeryn's reaction to it. *She* was
the one who had me in tears.
> Second, the death of Crichton should have been more
> emotional, (Zhann's was!), but it was let down by the
> nagging doubt that this wouldn't happen if there wasn't
> a 'spare' John kicking around.
Well, sure it wouldn't. But the point really isn't "there's
a spare Crichton, so it's no big deal" but how Aeryn (in
particular) will deal with the fact that the Great Love of
Her Life is dead, but isn't at the same time.
> Finally, where does that leave the story? Well, ten points
> to all those who guessed Crichton would die. I'd guess
> well be seeing the reunion of Moya and Talyn soon.
>Then we'll have a painfull reunion of Aeryn and the
> other Crichton. Then what? The death of the other
> Harvey? The PK-Scarran war? Another attempt to
> crack worm hole knowledge?
I'd tell you, but I'd get dumped on for spoiing it. :-)
Mark Morrison
>
>Which brings us to the weepy side. First (to start a flame war) Ms
>Black just doesn't do weepy very well does she?
Are you INSANE ??????????????????????????????????
Jim Larson
Unless he is trolling, I think the answer is most definitely "yes".
--
Jim
Steve Brooks
"jayembee (Jerry Boyajian)" wrote
> Andrew Wright babbled...
<snip>
> > Which brings us to the weepy side. First (to start a flame
> > war) Ms Black just doesn't do weepy very well does she?
>
> She sure as hell does. Talyn!John's death didn't affect
> me *nearly* as much as Aeryn's reaction to it. *She* was
> the one who had me in tears.
I thought everyone performed well in that scene. (Although - as I said
elsewhere I thought it was a bit too long. ) Crais' reconciliation with John
was good to see. I think after this episode we know a bit more about Crais
and his intentions. Maybe he will take that advice to find his better part
seriously. Of course, Moya-John knows nothing about this so when they meet
the old distrust will still be there.
> > Second, the death of Crichton should have been more
> > emotional, (Zhann's was!), but it was let down by the
> > nagging doubt that this wouldn't happen if there wasn't
> > a 'spare' John kicking around.
>
> Well, sure it wouldn't. But the point really isn't "there's
> a spare Crichton, so it's no big deal" but how Aeryn (in
> particular) will deal with the fact that the Great Love of
> Her Life is dead, but isn't at the same time.
Especially since it'll be hard for him to live up to the image of the one
who died to save others..
And I think we should highlight the "(in particular)" here. All the Talyn
crew are going to experience this effect when the two ships meet up again.
<snip>
--
SB
*****Greg Unit 21*****
> It was a hell of an episode, but was it better than part one? Not
> really,
Yes it was, the first part was excellent. This one is terribly excellent :-)
> Still, there was some great action sequences, the Mad Max style chase,
> the death of Harvey, the destruction of the dreadnought (wow, oh wow,
> oh wooowwy), but together that didn't add up to a great episode.
I think that the action is not the most important part of the episode. I
mean, There was a lot of emotion and It was a really great FARSCAPE, just
like I love !
> Second, the death of Crichton should have been more emotional, (Zhann's
was!), but it was
> let down by the nagging doubt that this wouldn't happen if there wasn't
> a 'spare' John kicking around.
I think that his death was really emotionnal ! I didn't cry because that
never happend (^_^) but the end was really intense. And It was the end of
the episode. Contrary to Zhaan's death, I think to we will talk again about
Talyn Crichton's death.
> Finally, where does that leave the story? Well, ten points to all those
> who guessed Crichton would die. I'd guess well be seeing the reunion of
> Moya and Talyn soon.
It would be great ! Moya Crichton must really miss Aeryn and now that Talyn
Crichton is dead, she'll can love him back...
> Then we'll have a painfull reunion of Aeryn and
> the other Crichton. Then what? The death of the other Harvey? The
> PK-Scarran war? Another attempt to crack worm hole knowledge?
We're in FARSCAPE, we can never know. This was only the fifteenth episode !
I'm so happy that a complete season is 22 episodes !
> I guess we'll have to wait TWO FECKING WEEKS. Bastard Corporation. The
> sooner they're stripped of all sport the better.
In france where I live, The season 3 is gonna start on October 2003 ! And
Die me dichotomy has been broadcasted on August. It makes 14 Months to wait
! Fortunatly, there's Internet to download the episodes (even if It is far
amay as good as on TV)
--
greg
http://futurafan.com
Vivianne Cheshire
<nos...@newsranger.com> writes
>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:47:40 +0100, Andrew Wright babbled...
>> [...] the destruction of the dreadnought (wow, oh wow,
>> oh wooowwy),
Damned good, doncherthink.
>
>At least now we understand what Scorpy is trying to do
>in developing wormhole weapons. :-)
>
>> Which brings us to the weepy side. First (to start a flame
>> war) Ms Black just doesn't do weepy very well does she?
>
>She sure as hell does. Talyn!John's death didn't affect
>me *nearly* as much as Aeryn's reaction to it. *She* was
>the one who had me in tears.
For someone getting to grips with emotions she did very well. I just
wish she'd wiped her nose before kissing John.
>
>> Second, the death of Crichton should have been more
>> emotional, (Zhann's was!), but it was let down by the
>> nagging doubt that this wouldn't happen if there wasn't
>> a 'spare' John kicking around.
>
>Well, sure it wouldn't. But the point really isn't "there's
>a spare Crichton, so it's no big deal" but how Aeryn (in
>particular) will deal with the fact that the Great Love of
>Her Life is dead, but isn't at the same time.
I guessed right that it would be Talyn/Crichton to die, but wrong about
the way he died.
Why did Jack turn his back on Furlow-with-a-gun? Was he arrogant or
just stupid?
>
Best line: Stark: "They must be terrified".
--
"We aliens, set apart, reach only with fantasies"
Mark Morrison
<vivi...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>Why did Jack turn his back on Furlow-with-a-gun? Was he arrogant or
>just stupid?
I always thought he faked his death - if he was immune to radiation,
its possible a pulse pistol wouldn't bother him, hence the smirk
before he turned around. And in his natural form, so-one would know
what life signs to check for.
I just can't think of a reason for him to do it, unless he lied about
not being able to follow the others.