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M.D. Broadhurst

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Sep 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/2/96
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From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html


Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.

The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
a fight scene.

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Morgan

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In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:

> From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
> http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
>
>
> Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
> posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
>
> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
> a fight scene.


I have no problems with that! Seven seconds - phew! Narrow
escape time....


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Ian Vincent

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M.D. Broadhurst (m...@le.ac.uk) wrote:
: From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:

: http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
:
:
: Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
: posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
:
: The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
: will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
: a fight scene.

Oh well, thats better than we thought it would be.

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Raj Rijhwani

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In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:

> From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
> http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
>
>
> Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
> posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
>
> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
> a fight scene.

And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.
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Ben Fell

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Sep 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/3/96
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You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
soapbox again when you read:

>In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:

>> From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
>> http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
>>
>>
>> Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
>> posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
>>
>> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
>> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
>> a fight scene.

>And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
>"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
>allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.

Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British
Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night? That surely had
stuff in it that's far more likely to encourage violent behaviour in
children... and I'm not just talking about Kevin Costner's accent. The
witch opening her veins with her fingernails? The multiple stabbings?
The quite *outrageous* use of Bryan Adams' lyrics in the script (or is
it vice versa)? And I bet the demographic for RH:POT was far less
top-heavy than B5's. Prime kiddie material...


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Raj Rijhwani

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Sep 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/3/96
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In article <50gus6$7...@bbcnews.rd.bbc.co.uk>
ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:

> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
> soapbox again when you read:
>
> >In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:
>
> >> From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
> >> http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
> >> posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
> >>
> >> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
> >> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
> >> a fight scene.
>
> >And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
> >"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
> >allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.
>
> Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British
> Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?

I know. I was being uncharacteristically sarcastic.

Stephen Moore

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Sep 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/3/96
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On 02-Sep-96 20:11:47, Raj Rijhwani (r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk) wrote about "Re: CHANNEL 4 - Shadow Dancing WILL be cut" in message n/a


>In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:

>> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds

>> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove [something] during
>> a [Babylon 5] scene.

Sorry, just want to be very careful of spoilers :-))

>And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
>"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
>allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.

Shootings, OK
Graphic sex, fine
Murder, sure
[something]s, no too scary!

Personally I'm violently anti-censorship!

Steve Moore : ** smo...@btinternet.com **


John Mackle

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Sep 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/4/96
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Raj Rijhwani wrote:


some spoo space prehaps?

>
> In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:
>

> > From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
> > http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
> >
> >
> > Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
> > posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
> >

> > The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds

> > will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
> > a fight scene.
>

> And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
> "adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
> allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.

> --
> Raj Rijhwani (umtsb5/16) | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
> r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk | ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
> sca...@fido.zetnet.co.uk | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"
> http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)

JMS presents a crap episode and Raj inadvertantly reposts a spoiler sans spoiler
space. I guess I can expect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to ride in any day
now then...

-John

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Jon Turner

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Sep 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/4/96
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ben....@bbc.co.uk (Ben Fell) wrote:

>You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
>soapbox again when you read:

>>In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:

>>> From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
>>> http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
>>> posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
>>>
>>> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
>>> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
>>> a fight scene.

>>And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
>>"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
>>allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.

>Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British


>Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?

Least it didn't have a f***ing moat at nottingham castle.
Most other robin hoods do.
have they seen Notts. castle (does it need a moat? huh I don't think
so)
This is one of my pet hates if you can't guess..

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Phil Boswell

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Sep 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/4/96
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In article <841750...@courtfld.demon.co.uk>, Raj Rijhwani

(r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk) writes:
>In article <50gus6$7...@bbcnews.rd.bbc.co.uk>
> ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:
>> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
>> soapbox again when you read:
[snip]

>> >And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
>> >"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
>> >allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.
>> Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British
>> Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?
>I know. I was being uncharacteristically sarcastic.

No! You don't say!

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Ben Fell

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You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
soapbox again when you read:

>In article <50gus6$7...@bbcnews.rd.bbc.co.uk>
> ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:

>> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
>> soapbox again when you read:
>>

>> >In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:

<snip me and him and Mike>

> Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British
> Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?

>I know. I was being uncharacteristically sarcastic.

Okay, fair enough. That was pretty obvious, I guess <g>, but the point
I was making was that it's completely absurd that there should be one
set of rules for Kevin Costner, and a completely different set for
Brucie Boy Boxleitner. Especially considering that on average over 2
million children (i.e. under 16) watch RH:POT each time it's aired,
compared to the massive 200,000 (yes, you're reading that correctly -
two hundred thousand children) for the average episode of B5.
*Especially* considering the statement I posted elsewhere that
"violence in historical or futuristic settings is relatively less
shocking" (BBC guidelines on violence).

Go, as they say, figure.

Lady Amethyst

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ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:

> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
> soapbox again when you read:

> > m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:
> >> From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
> >> http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
> >>
> >> Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
> >> posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
> >> The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
> >> will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
> >> a fight scene.
>

> >And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
> >"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
> >allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.
>

> Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British

> Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night? That surely had
> stuff in it that's far more likely to encourage violent behaviour in
> children... and I'm not just talking about Kevin Costner's accent. The
> witch opening her veins with her fingernails? The multiple stabbings?
> The quite *outrageous* use of Bryan Adams' lyrics in the script (or is
> it vice versa)? And I bet the demographic for RH:POT was far less
> top-heavy than B5's. Prime kiddie material...

And despite leaving all that in they cut the Sheriff pushing Marion's legs
open with his feet in a highly amusing manner just before the "big fight
scene" at the end. And this was well after 9pm at night too I believe.
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Phil Snell

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Hi John Mackle!

On 04-Sep-96 08:49:12, you talked about Re: CHANNEL 4 - Shadow Dancing WILL
be cut..


>some spoo space prehaps?

No.

>JMS presents a crap episode and Raj inadvertantly reposts a spoiler sans
>spoiler space. I guess I can expect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to
>ride in any day now then...

You call that tiny snip a spoiler? That is just totaly and utterly stupid.

What the hell is happening when people think that *tiny*, minor things like
that are classed as spoilers?

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Lady Amethyst

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ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:

> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
> soapbox again when you read:
>
> > ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:
>
> >> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
> >> soapbox again when you read:
>

> > Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British
> > Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?
>

> >I know. I was being uncharacteristically sarcastic.
>
> Okay, fair enough. That was pretty obvious, I guess <g>, but the point
> I was making was that it's completely absurd that there should be one
> set of rules for Kevin Costner, and a completely different set for
> Brucie Boy Boxleitner. Especially considering that on average over 2
> million children (i.e. under 16) watch RH:POT each time it's aired,
> compared to the massive 200,000 (yes, you're reading that correctly -
> two hundred thousand children) for the average episode of B5.
> *Especially* considering the statement I posted elsewhere that
> "violence in historical or futuristic settings is relatively less
> shocking" (BBC guidelines on violence).
> Go, as they say, figure.

I know my two younger brothers watched it (4 and 3). I guess they just had
to admit that B5 is so much more realistic than Robin Hood and so the
violence is more shocking :) My Dad says Disney's Robin Hood was more
accurate than RH:PoT. Personally I find just about anything stunningly
accurate after having seen First Knight, which only used the names from the
King Arthur mythos to try and get more people to see it. IMO. Even having
Sean Connery in it couldn't save it. Having Alan Rickman in it went a long
way to saving Robin Hood.

Ian Pitcher

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Sep 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/6/96
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Lady Amethyst <amet...@jadzia.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:

>> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
>> soapbox again when you read:
>>
>> > ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:
>>
>> >> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
>> >> soapbox again when you read:
>>

<snip>

>> Okay, fair enough. That was pretty obvious, I guess <g>,

<Snip>

>Having Alan Rickman in it went a long
>way to saving Robin Hood.

I would *love* to see Alan Rickman as an Officer in charge of a
renegade EA Cruiser. To my mind one of the best actors that has come
out of the UK in a long time. I saw him play Hamlet, in the Round, in
a haulage company's warehouse in Barrow in Furness about 4 years ago -
what an absolutely stunning performance.

Ian

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John Mackle

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Sep 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/6/96
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Phil Snell wrote:
>
> Hi John Mackle!

Hi Phil Snell! ...but I presume from the tone of the rest of your
message that this was an automated greeting.

>
> On 04-Sep-96 08:49:12, you talked about Re: CHANNEL 4 - Shadow Dancing WILL
> be cut..
>
> >some spoo space prehaps?
>
> No.

Your quite right, my apologies. Spoiler space isn't strictly necessary
because the message shouldn't have been posted at all. It contains info
about a future episode.

>
> >JMS presents a crap episode and Raj inadvertantly reposts a spoiler sans
> >spoiler space. I guess I can expect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to
> >ride in any day now then...
>
> You call that tiny snip a spoiler?

Yes. It might be a minor spoiler, but a spoiler it is, no question.

> That is just totaly and utterly stupid.

Being rude doesn't change it.

> What the hell is happening when people think that *tiny*, minor things like
> that are classed as spoilers?

...nor does jumping up and down and going blue in the face.

Calm down Phil. You're in danger of sounding as hysterical as the worst
of the "spoiler bashers". I haven't read anybody yet complaining about
the spoiler being posted. I certainly wasn't - but then I wouldn't
presume as to decide for the group what *degree* of spoiler is
acceptable.

Raj and others do a good job in "policing" spoiler policy. I just found
it amusing (in an ironic sort of way) that Raj inadvertantly reposted
this spoiler. I wasn't getting at Raj, or even the original poster - I
just found it funny (I'm weird that way...). It's no big deal.

I would understand your rant if the poster(s) had been seriously flamed
(or even flamed at all!) over this minor indiscretion - but to the best
to my knowledge they weren't, and rightly so IMHO. They certainly
weren't by me. You may fight your invisible demons elsewhere Phil,
because you won't find them in my post.

Andy Beales

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John Mackle <j.ma...@qub.ac.uk> wrote:

>Raj Rijhwani wrote:


>some spoo space prehaps?

>>
>> In article <50ep5u$b...@hawk.le.ac.uk> m...@le.ac.uk "M.D. Broadhurst" writes:
>>
>> > From the Channel 4 Babylon 5 discussion area:
>> > http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Re: Will "Shadow Dancing" be cut?
>> > posted by C4 Duty Office on 02:Sep:1996:14:45:05.
>> >
>> > The Duty Office recieved confirmation today that 7 seconds
>> > will be cut from Shadow Dancing, to remove a stabbing during
>> > a fight scene.
>>
>> And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
>> "adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
>> allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.

>> --
>> Raj Rijhwani (umtsb5/16) | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
>> r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk | ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
>> sca...@fido.zetnet.co.uk | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"
>> http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)

>JMS presents a crap episode and Raj inadvertantly reposts a spoiler sans spoiler


>space. I guess I can expect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to ride in any day
>now then...

>-John

Death , Famine , Pestilence and ..... Spoilers ? ;-)

Andy Beales

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j...@esmf.demon.co.uk (Jon Turner) wrote:

*** snip the other stuff ***

>>>And before anyone else says it, I expect that it would be cut even in an
>>>"adult" timeslot. This *is* Britain after all. We can't possibly be
>>>allowed to see that sort of thing on telly.

>>Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British


>>Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?

>Least it didn't have a f***ing moat at nottingham castle.
>Most other robin hoods do.
>have they seen Notts. castle (does it need a moat? huh I don't think
>so)
>This is one of my pet hates if you can't guess..

>Jon Turner J...@esmf.demon.co.uk

Bit of a moat point with you ? ;-)

Raj Rijhwani

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In article <50omur$i...@whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk>
i.c.p...@ncl.ac.uk "Ian Pitcher" writes:

> >Having Alan Rickman in it went a long
> >way to saving Robin Hood.
>
> I would *love* to see Alan Rickman as an Officer in charge of a
> renegade EA Cruiser. To my mind one of the best actors that has come
> out of the UK in a long time.

He is rather good, isn't he. Seems to have an inate ability to over-
or under-play each role exactly as required. He saved Die Hard.

Phil Snell

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Hi John Mackle!

On 06-Sep-96 13:46:23, you talked about Re: CHANNEL 4 - Shadow Dancing WILL
be cut..


>> >some spoo space prehaps?
>>
>> No.

>Your quite right, my apologies. Spoiler space isn't strictly necessary
>because the message shouldn't have been posted at all. It contains info
>about a future episode.

No specific infomation though, so it wont ruin my enjoyment of the episode at
least.

>> You call that tiny snip a spoiler?

>Yes. It might be a minor spoiler, but a spoiler it is, no question.

it's less than a minor spoiler, it's almost no-existent.

>> That is just totaly and utterly stupid.

>Being rude doesn't change it.

Im wasnt being rude, I apologise if I sounded rude.

>> What the hell is happening when people think that *tiny*, minor things
>> like that are classed as spoilers?

>...nor does jumping up and down and going blue in the face.

>Calm down Phil. You're in danger of sounding as hysterical as the worst
>of the "spoiler bashers". I haven't read anybody yet complaining about

Nah, im calm. Just annoyed that something as small as that "spoiler" can get
people shouting "SPOILER!!".

>Raj and others do a good job in "policing" spoiler policy. I just found
>it amusing (in an ironic sort of way) that Raj inadvertantly reposted
>this spoiler. I wasn't getting at Raj, or even the original poster - I
>just found it funny (I'm weird that way...). It's no big deal.

Ok, I apologise for going off, I was just a tad narked.

>I would understand your rant if the poster(s) had been seriously flamed

I wasn't ranting, honest. :)

>weren't by me. You may fight your invisible demons elsewhere Phil,
>because you won't find them in my post.

Methinks I should calm down and think before I post, i've been doing this
long enough. Must stay calm.

Again, im sorry if it sounded like I was going off at you, it was more a
general moan at the people who go totaly over the top at what they class as a
spoiler. You just happend to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. :)

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r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk "Raj Rijhwani" writes:

> i.c.p...@ncl.ac.uk "Ian Pitcher" writes:
>
> > >Having Alan Rickman in it went a long
> > >way to saving Robin Hood.
> >
> > I would *love* to see Alan Rickman as an Officer in charge of a
> > renegade EA Cruiser. To my mind one of the best actors that has come
> > out of the UK in a long time.
>
> He is rather good, isn't he. Seems to have an inate ability to over-
> or under-play each role exactly as required. He saved Die Hard.

I don't think Die Hard was in any need of saving. He certainly made it even
better and a bad actor could have seriously brought it down but I think it
was a good (action) movie in its own right. Although there has to have been
an easier way than just walking over the glass. How about taking the vest
off, wrapping it around your arm and then sweeping a path clean?

As a friend pointed out any action movie can be named in Die Hard fashion,
eg. Speed: Die Hard on a Bus

But I would say he saved Robin Hood.


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Ian Vincent

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Lady Amethyst (amet...@jadzia.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:
:
: > You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
: > soapbox again when you read:
: >
: > > ben....@bbc.co.uk "Ben Fell" writes:
: >
: > >> You know Raj Rijhwani <r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk> has been on the
: > >> soapbox again when you read:
: >
: > > Oh come *on*... did anyone see "Robin Hood: Prince of British

: > > Geographic and Cultural Inaccuracies" the other night?
: >
: > >I know. I was being uncharacteristically sarcastic.
: >
: > Okay, fair enough. That was pretty obvious, I guess <g>, but the point

: > I was making was that it's completely absurd that there should be one
: > set of rules for Kevin Costner, and a completely different set for
: > Brucie Boy Boxleitner. Especially considering that on average over 2
: > million children (i.e. under 16) watch RH:POT each time it's aired,
: > compared to the massive 200,000 (yes, you're reading that correctly -
: > two hundred thousand children) for the average episode of B5.
: > *Especially* considering the statement I posted elsewhere that
: > "violence in historical or futuristic settings is relatively less
: > shocking" (BBC guidelines on violence).
: > Go, as they say, figure.
:
: I know my two younger brothers watched it (4 and 3). I guess they just had
: to admit that B5 is so much more realistic than Robin Hood and so the
: violence is more shocking :) My Dad says Disney's Robin Hood was more
: accurate than RH:PoT. Personally I find just about anything stunningly
: accurate after having seen First Knight, which only used the names from the
: King Arthur mythos to try and get more people to see it. IMO. Even having
: Sean Connery in it couldn't save it. Having Alan Rickman in it went a long

: way to saving Robin Hood.

I thought the other Robin Hood film released at virtually the same time (it
had Uma Thurman in it) was a far better film by far.
Can't remember if there was a moat in that though.

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Lady Amethyst

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k...@denali.demon.co.uk "Kevin Reilly" writes:

> On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Lady Amethyst <amet...@jadzia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk "Raj Rijhwani" writes:
>
> >> He is rather good, isn't he. Seems to have an inate ability to over-
> >> or under-play each role exactly as required. He saved Die Hard.
> >
> >I don't think Die Hard was in any need of saving. He certainly made it even
> >better and a bad actor could have seriously brought it down but I think it
> >was a good (action) movie in its own right. Although there has to have been
> >an easier way than just walking over the glass. How about taking the vest
> >off, wrapping it around your arm and then sweeping a path clean?
>

> Except he'd have to do all that in the two seconds before the flash
> grenade goes off. Would have made for a very amusing scene but I think
> some of the dramatic impact would have been lost... :)

Flash grenade? Looks like I've been misremembering the situation. I thought
it was just that there was only one way out of the room he was in and
Rickman had covered the floor between him and the entrance with glass.

John Mackle

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Phil Snell wrote:

[reasoned discussion snipped]

> You just happend to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. :)

No problem - I hoped as much. Anyway, your points are well made (this
time :-)) and I am in agreement.

Mind you, I wouldn't want this sort of reasonableness to become endemic
- it would take some of the fun out of reading the group :-)

Cheers

Andy Beales

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Lady Amethyst <amet...@jadzia.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>k...@denali.demon.co.uk "Kevin Reilly" writes:

>> On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Lady Amethyst <amet...@jadzia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk "Raj Rijhwani" writes:
>>
>> >> He is rather good, isn't he. Seems to have an inate ability to over-
>> >> or under-play each role exactly as required. He saved Die Hard.
>> >
>> >I don't think Die Hard was in any need of saving. He certainly made it even
>> >better and a bad actor could have seriously brought it down but I think it
>> >was a good (action) movie in its own right. Although there has to have been
>> >an easier way than just walking over the glass. How about taking the vest
>> >off, wrapping it around your arm and then sweeping a path clean?
>>
>> Except he'd have to do all that in the two seconds before the flash
>> grenade goes off. Would have made for a very amusing scene but I think
>> some of the dramatic impact would have been lost... :)

>Flash grenade? Looks like I've been misremembering the situation. I thought
>it was just that there was only one way out of the room he was in and
>Rickman had covered the floor between him and the entrance with glass.
>--

I think it was the blond nutters speciality.The bad guys stopped
firing so Brucy realised something was about to happen.Then the flash
grenade went in and after it exploded the bad guts piled in , but all
that was there was the blood trail through the glass as Bruce had
legged it out through the exit.

That's how I remember it anyway.

Raj Rijhwani

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In article <842125...@jadzia.demon.co.uk>
amet...@jadzia.demon.co.uk "Lady Amethyst" writes:

> r...@courtfld.demon.co.uk "Raj Rijhwani" writes:
>
> > i.c.p...@ncl.ac.uk "Ian Pitcher" writes:
> >

> > > >Having Alan Rickman in it went a long
> > > >way to saving Robin Hood.
> > >

> > > I would *love* to see Alan Rickman as an Officer in charge of a
> > > renegade EA Cruiser. To my mind one of the best actors that has come
> > > out of the UK in a long time.
> >

> > He is rather good, isn't he. Seems to have an inate ability to over-
> > or under-play each role exactly as required. He saved Die Hard.
>
> I don't think Die Hard was in any need of saving. He certainly made it even
> better and a bad actor could have seriously brought it down but I think it
> was a good (action) movie in its own right. Although there has to have been

To my mind, a good action movie doesn't do away with rhyme and reason.
Too many things happened in that film that just weren't plausible.
There are plenty of good action films that work very well WITH sensible
cahracterisations and actions.



> But I would say he saved Robin Hood.

That too.

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