LONG: Dumbing Down list of names (from Re: History of Britain)
Jacqui
David Willetts
Grace Kelly
Kim Howells
Nicholas Hawksmoor
Kofi Annan
Graham Upton
Madeleine Allbright
George Stubbs
Lionel Jospin
Louis Pasteur
Abbie Hoffmann
Nicholas Brakespear
Timothy Leary
Bob Champion
Noam Chomsky
Gordon Banks
Group Capt Peter Townsend
Peter Nichols
Harry Llewellyn
Anne Hathaway
Francisco Pizzaro
Jane Goodall
Dian Fossey
Hernan Cortes
Darius Guppy
Charlie Parker
Margaret Mitchell
Carl Giles
Melanie Chisholm
Ian Hislop
Johnny Weissmuller
Herman Brix
Charles Babbage
Richard Ingrams
Gloria Swanson
Bertrand Russell
Kim Philby
Kenneth Tynan
Charles Schultz
Glen Matlock
Ayn Rand
Andreas Baader
Leonid Brezhnev
Silvio Berlusconi
Andrew Pakes
John Cassavetes
Dick Francis (2 answers)
Jean Renoir
Guy Gibson
John Cale
William Wilberforce
Robert Mapplethorpe
Aneurin Bevan
Edward Hopper
Georg Solti
Robert Oppenheimer
Anna Magdalena
Pete Best
Milan Kundera
Mark Ramprakash
Jonathan Swift
Aphra Behn
William Burroughs
Ian Holm
Woody Guthrie
Edgar Rice Burroughs
Linda Tripp
David Shayler
Shane McGowan
David Niven
Gustav Klimt
Robert Graves
Johann Kepler
Johnny Morris
Michael Collins (2 men)
John Conteh
Tom Conti
George Sluizer
Jean Reno
Maurice Micklewhite
Paul Eddington
Christopher Isherwood
Nicole Farhi
Dante Aligheri
Wackford Squeers
William Wilkie Collins
Richard O'Brien
Constance Marckiewicz
Nancy Astor
Sir John Alcock
Jim Thorpe
Francesco Borromini
Julia Ewing
John Paul Jones (2 men)
Ben Jonson
John Knox
Hugh Lofting
Sir Sidney Smith
Jean Paul Marat
Rocco Marcheghiano
Warren Hastings
Thomas Bowdler
Valentina Tereshkova
Nicodemus Tessin (elder or younger)
Heng Samrin
Pierre Samuel Du Pont
Friedrich Engels
Andre Maurois
Gregor Mendel
Cosimo Medici
Margaret Mead
Carl von Linne
Alice Liddell
Gabriel Lippmann
John Foxe
Maximilian Foy
William Henry Fox Talbot
Anne Bonney
Taillefer
Hendrik Verwoerd
John Greenleaf Whittier
Bronson Alcott
Jac
Mac
>
Remind us Jac, what were the scores you obtained from the test?
--
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Jacqui
>Jacqui wrote:
(list of 120 names - I added some specially, just for umtm!) :)
>Remind us Jac, what were the scores you obtained from the test?
No one under 25 got more than 50%. Something I found quite appalling,
although some of those names were less "in the media" then than they are
now - David Shayler had only just gone to Europe, Schultz was still
alive, at least one more of those has died since too IIRC, and one of
them is entirely fictional!) BTW I suspect I copied the misspelling of
Francisco Pizarro across, since I forgot he'd been mistyped in the
original article.
Jac
Martin Palmer
88 - is that good? Although those are ones I *recognised* - about 25%
of those, I couldn't say why I knew them (ie what they did/who they
are).
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Simon Coward
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>No one under 25 got more than 50%. Something I found quite appalling,
>although some of those names were less "in the media" then than they are
>now - David Shayler had only just gone to Europe, Schultz was still
>alive, at least one more of those has died since too IIRC, and one of
>them is entirely fictional!) BTW I suspect I copied the misspelling of
>Francisco Pizarro across, since I forgot he'd been mistyped in the
>original article.
I reckon I could come up with at least one bit of info about 82 of them.
Of course in some cases that info might be wrong. Of the others,
there's about a further half dozen whose names I know but cannot place
at all and the rest I've I don't think I've ever heard of.
If I did get all 82 right that would give me around 65% - but then I'm
well over 25 8-)
Simon.
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White Shite
>Madeleine Allbright
>Louis Pasteur
>Noam Chomsky
>Anne Hathaway
>Francisco Pizzaro
>Jane Goodall
>Dian Fossey
>Hernan Cortes
>Ian Hislop
>Johnny Weissmuller
>Bertrand Russell
>Leonid Brezhnev
>William Wilberforce
>Jonathan Swift
>Edgar Rice Burroughs
>David Shayler
>David Niven
>Robert Graves
>Johann Kepler
>Johnny Morris
>Michael Collins (2 men)
>Richard O'Brien
>Friedrich Engels
>Gregor Mendel
>Carl von Linne
I know 29.
White Shite
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Dave Wragg
instead of local history!!
Dave
Jacqui
>
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:57:20 +0100, "Jacqui"
> <Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>Jacqui wrote:
> >(list of 120 names - I added some specially, just for umtm!) :)
> >>Remind us Jac, what were the scores you obtained from the test?
> >
> >although some of those names were less "in the media" then than they are
> >now - David Shayler had only just gone to Europe, Schultz was still
> >alive, at least one more of those has died since too IIRC, and one of
> >them is entirely fictional!) BTW I suspect I copied the misspelling of
> >Francisco Pizarro across, since I forgot he'd been mistyped in the
> >original article.
>
> of those, I couldn't say why I knew them (ie what they did/who they
> are).
The criteria in our test were that you could place the names reasonably
precisely in time, precisely in genre, or, better still, actually know
something about them... :) Saying "I've heard of him" didn't count
unless you could also say "in the context of..."
Jac
David the Twat
White Shite <var...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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"I know...........nothing"
Manuel
David the Twat
Dave Wragg <d.w...@sheffield.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Only 74 im afraid :(((( Dammit I must read more general history books
> instead of local history!!
>
> Dave
LOL - Local history of Sheffield? Pretty short book eh???
;o)
D
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"Jacqui" <Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
[long list of names snipped]
>
I missed 30 out of 120. I could have got some of the 90 wrong of
course, although I doubt there are more than around 10 errors.
So that puts me at 65-75%. However I'm older than 25...
Luke
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Before you buy.
Mac
>
> Mac wrote
> >Jacqui wrote:
> (list of 120 names - I added some specially, just for umtm!) :)
> >Remind us Jac, what were the scores you obtained from the test?
>
Hmm, about 80 out of the 123. Unfortunately I think I've reached that
30-something age where I'm starting to forget more things than I learn -
scary!
btw, "Wackford Squeers" - made up name surely?
--
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Mac
Err, Dickens?
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Jacqui
>Mac wrote:
>> btw, "Wackford Squeers" - made up name surely?
>
>Err, Dickens?
Yes, he was the ringer. He's the nasty teacher at Dotheboys Hall, in
Nicholas Nickleby. You'd be surprised how many people thought he was
real.... :)
Jac
Paul Hyett
this considered view. Waking from my doze, I hastily scrawled -
<snip>
>Anne Bonney
>Taillefer
>Hendrik Verwoerd
>John Greenleaf Whittier
>Bronson Alcott
I recognise 41 straight off, if I had time to pick my brains I might
remember a few more.
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Martin Palmer
I'd have thought that old Wackford was 'real' enough, in the sense
that there was a fair chance people might have heard of him, fictional
or not?
White Shite
>
>Nihilist writer
Is he? I thought he studied language. I know he is also a political
commentator.
>>Anne Hathaway
>
>Shakespearean bird, did she marry Henry VIII?
Yes.
>>Dian Fossey
>
>athlete
No an anthropologist.
>>Bertrand Russell
>
>writer?
Philosopher.
>>Cosimo Medici
>
>Member of that European royal family who poisoned everyone
That's the Borgias.
>Usenet celebrity! a-ha! ha! ha!
>
>61! beat that! What are we doing this for again? I missed the original
>thread. And I'm only 23!
No, 58. If the others are right.
none
gree...@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >Ayn Rand
>
> curmudgeonly old bitch of a 1920s libertarian writer
<handbag>ooh!</handbag>
And arent' these a teensy bit White US/UK oriented?
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Jacqui
>>Group Capt Peter Townsend
>
>played guitar in "The Who"
No
>>Anne Hathaway
>
>Shakespearean bird, did she marry Henry VIII?
Lol. No
>>Dian Fossey
>
>athlete
No
>>Michael Collins (2 men)
>One's an IRA chap
>>John Paul Jones (2 men)
>One was an American pioneer
No guesses at the other 2 (and I'm impressed that the JPJ you knew was
THAT one)
>>Ben Jonson
>
>athlete
no :)
>>Jac
>
>Usenet celebrity! a-ha! ha! ha!
Lol!
>61! beat that! What are we doing this for again? I missed the original
>thread. And I'm only 23!
Not bad, but you got 57, not 61. :) The John Paul Jones and Michael
Collins answers are half-right, but finding out who the other 2 are
would be good for you :)
Jac
Jacqui
>>>Noam Chomsky
>>
>>Nihilist writer
>
>
>Is he? I thought he studied language. I know he is also a political
>commentator.
He's multitalented. I'd give him this, although your answer is possibly
closer in spirit :)
>>>Anne Hathaway
>>
>>Shakespearean bird, did she marry Henry VIII?
>
>
>Yes.
ROFL. She was Shakespeare's wife!
>>>Bertrand Russell
>>
>>writer?
>
>
>Philosopher.
Again I'd be prepared to give half marks for writer :)
>>>Cosimo Medici
>>
>>Member of that European royal family who poisoned everyone
>
>
>That's the Borgias.
Although it could also conceivably be said of old Cosimo, not the
world's nicest man either :)
Jac
Jacqui
>And arent' these a teensy bit White US/UK oriented?
deliberately so, given the target audience it was originally aimed at.
Jac
David the Twat
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<snipped Mr Bollocks self-testing>
> 61! beat that! What are we doing this for again? I missed the original
> thread. And I'm only 23!
Wow - you've done so well, with such a low i.q. reading of 23!
;o)
D
Simon Coward
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Michael Collins (2 men)
>>One's an IRA chap
>
>No guesses at the other 2 (and I'm impressed that the JPJ you knew was
>THAT one)
I guess there's a third Michael Collins now as there's one of them on
the Booker prize shortlist - and I don't think it's the Irish chappie or
the astronaut.
Steve Walton
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Alan Turing
<snip>
and a cuddly toy !
is this just a memory game or what ?
Dave Wragg
Cheeky bugger :)) There does seem to be alot around but you do have to
dig for some of it :))
Dave
Andy Rae
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> gree...@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote
> >>John Paul Jones (2 men)
> >One was an American pioneer
>
> THAT one)
Led Zeppelin keyboardist.
I got about 70 of the others and am 26.
andy
White Shite
>world's nicest man either :)
Who was he though?
Jacqui
>
> >Although it could also conceivably be said of old Cosimo, not the
> >world's nicest man either :)
>
> Who was he though?
Essentially, a rich corrupt banker and politician :)
Jac
Medici, Cosimo de'
b. Sept. 27, 1389, Florence
d. Aug. 1, 1464, Careggi, near Florence
byname COSIMO THE ELDER, Italian COSIMO IL VECCHIO, Latin
byname PATER PATRIAE (FATHER OF HIS COUNTRY), founder of one
of the main lines of the Medici family that ruled Florence from 1434
to 1537.
The son of Giovanni di Bicci (1360-1429), Cosimo was initiated
into affairs of high finance in the corridors of the Council of
Constance, where he represented the Medici bank. He went on
from there to manage the papacy's finances and in 1462 filled his
coffers to overflowing by obtaining from Pius II the Tolfa alum mines
monopoly, alum being indispensable to Florence's famed textile
industry. He was certainly the wealthiest man of his time, not only in
terms of bullion but also in the amount of bank and promissory notes
payable to his bank in Florence and to its branches operating in all
the important financial markets of Europe. Such great power alone
would have been sufficient to set the oligarchy against him; his
"popular" policies rendered him completely intolerable. The Albizzi,
one of the other leading families, attempted a coup. In 1431
Cosimo was vacationing in Cafaggiolo when he received a
summons to reply to his indictment for the capital crime "of having
sought to elevate himself higher than others." He could have taken
refuge in Bologna, but instead he chose to let himself be
incarcerated in a small dungeon in the Palazzo Vecchio. The Albizzi
soon discovered that so wealthy a man could not be assassinated so
easily. The jailer was bribed to taste Cosimo's food beforehand,
and the gonfalonier, assuaged by the famous gold-bearing mules,
arranged to have the usual death sentence reduced to banishment.
Cosimo retired to Padua and Venice, where he was received like a
sovereign. Exactly one year later, a sudden and unexpected move
by the Medici, in which they doctored elections, gave them back
the signoria (council of government). Cosimo triumphantly
reentered the city; and his enemies went into exile, never to return.
The Medici principate had begun (1434).
Cosimo traditionally has been accused of destroying Florentine
liberties; but these ancient liberties, more of an illusion than a
reality,
had already ceased to exist in the Florence of the Albizzi. Cosimo
only had to perpetuate the formula of those he was evicting, in other
words, to maintain the appearance of a constitutional regime. But, in
order not to be taken by surprise like the Albizzi, he perfected the
system. He made no changes in the law's actual administration, but
in the spirit of the law he changed everything. Previously, it was the
rule to fill high official positions by drawing lots. The process was
now manipulated so that only the names of men who could be
depended upon were drawn. The independent mood of the two
municipal assemblies was neutralized by making an exceptional
procedure the rule: dictatorial powers were now granted for a fixed
term that was always renewed. He also made an alliance with the
Sforzas of Milan, who, for gold, provided him with troops. This
alliance permitted Cosimo to crush the rising opposition by a coup
d'état in August 1458 and to create a Senate composed of 100
loyal supporters (the Cento, or Hundred); thus he was able to live
out the last six years of his life in security.
Cosimo required undivided power in order to carry out his plans as
well as to satisfy his passions, above all his passion for building.
Brunelleschi completed the "marble hat" of his famous cupola at the
time of Cosimo's return in 1434; in addition, he almost completed
the work on S. Lorenzo and on the Sagresta Vecchia and began
work on the strange rotunda of Sta. Maria degli Angeli. He drew up
plans for a princely palace for Cosimo; but the latter preferred the
less lofty plans of Michelozzo, although Michelozzo's Medici
Palace (the modern Palazzo Medici-Riccardi) was only slightly less
grandiose and provided the first break with the family's traditional
stance of humility. Under the patronage of Cosimo, Michelozzo also
built the convent of S. Marco, the Medici Chapel at Sta. Croce,
and a chapel at S. Miniato. In addition to architects, Cosimo
gathered around him all the masters of an age abounding in geniuses:
the sculptors Lorenzo Ghiberti and Donatello and the painters
Andrea del Castagno, Fra Angelico, and Benozzo Gozzoli. He not
only assured these artists of commissions but also treated them as
friends at a time when people still looked upon them as manual
workers.
Cosimo also organized a methodical search for ancient manuscripts,
both within Christendom and even, with Sultan Mehmed II's
permission, in the East. The manuscripts picked up by his agents
form the core of the incomparable library that is rather unjustly
called the Laurentian (Laurenziana), after his grandson. He opened it
to the public and employed copyists in order to disseminate
scholarly editions compiled by, among others, the Humanists Poggio
and Marsilio Ficino.
In short, he was well prepared for the singular opportunity that came
his way in 1439, when he succeeded in enticing the ecumenical
council from Ferrara to Florence. The Council of Florence,
Cosimo's most important success in foreign relations, deluded itself
into believing it had finally ended the schism with the Eastern
Church. As for Cosimo, he assiduously attended the lectures
delivered by the Greek scholars, and at the age of 50 he became an
ardent admirer of Plato. He then re-created Plato's ancient academy
in his villa of Careggi, where Marsilio Ficino became the Platonic
cult's high priest. At the same time the University of Florence, with
conspicuous success, resumed the teaching of Greek, which had
been unknown in the West for 700 years. Thus Cosimo was one of
the mainsprings of Humanism.
In 1440 Cosimo prematurely lost his brother, who had been his
staunchest supporter. In 1463 he had to face the loss of his most
gifted son, Giovanni, thus leaving the succession to Piero, born in
1416, who was sickly and almost constantly bedridden. The future
seemed dark to the old man as he roamed through his palace,
sighing, "Too big a house for such a small family." He died in
Careggi in 1464, and a huge crowd accompanied his body to the
tomb in S. Lorenzo. The following year, the signoria conferred
upon him the deserved title of Pater Patriae (Father of His Country).
(britannica)
Jacqui
>
> White Shite wrote:
> >
> > >Although it could also conceivably be said of old Cosimo, not the
> > >world's nicest man either :)
> >
> > Who was he though?
>
> Essentially, a rich corrupt banker and politician :)
Then there's the next one....
Jac
Cosimo I
b. June 12, 1519
d. April 21, 1574, Castello, near Florence [Italy]
in full COSIMO DE' MEDICI, byname COSIMO THE GREAT, Italian
COSIMO IL GRANDE, second duke of Florence (1537-74) and first
grand duke of Tuscany (1569-74).
Cosimo was the great-great-grandson of Lorenzo the Elder, the son
of Giovanni di Bicci and brother of Cosimo the Elder, and was thus
a member of a branch of the Medici family that had taken an active
part in Medici affairs but had played no political role. Nevertheless,
when he heard of the assassination of his distant cousin, Alessandro,
duke of Florence, he immediately made for Florence. There, in
January 1537, Cosimo was elected head of the republic, in the
government of which he was to be assisted by the senate, the
assembly, and the council. This election was approved by the Holy
Roman emperor, Charles V, and on August 2 the emperor's general
Alessandro Vitelli, at Montemurlo, defeated an army that a band of
exiles had raised against Cosimo. Cosimo then had the principal
captives beheaded and began, with Charles V's approval
(September 1537), to style himself duke. The Florentine senate,
assembly, and council were soon powerless.
Cosimo married Eleanora de Toledo in 1539. As the emperor's
protégé, he was able to withstand the hostility of Pope Paul III and
Francis I of France. He was shrewd and unscrupulous, and, with
Florence under his control, he turned his ambition to territorial
aggrandizement. His plans for annexing Lucca and Piombino in the
1540s were frustrated, but his enterprise against the republic of
Siena, which sheltered exiles from Florence and pursued a
pro-French policy, was successful. Cosimo launched an attack on
Siena in 1554; a French army under Piero Strozzi was defeated at
Scannagallo, near Marciano; and in 1555, after a long siege, the city
capitulated. Philip II of Spain, as the successor of Charles V in Italy,
had to agree to enfeoff Cosimo with the lordship of Siena in July
1557. The accession of Pius IV to the papacy in 1559 strengthened
Cosimo still further, since Pius was a Medici of Milan and was well
disposed toward the Florentine Medici. He gave a cardinal's hat to
Cosimo's son Giovanni in 1560 and, after Giovanni's death, one to
another son, Ferdinand, in 1563.
Having brought nearly all Tuscany under his control, Cosimo used
his despotic power to promote the country's well-being. His passion
for efficiency inspired him with the idea, extremely advanced for the
times, of uniting all public services into a single building, the Uffizi
("Offices"), which was built for him according to Giorgio Vasari's
grandiose yet practical design. In order to satisfy his taste or, better
said, his Medici passion for buildings, he made Vasari his
superintendent of buildings and had him redecorate the interior of
the Palazzo Vecchio. He then adopted as his residence the Pitti
Palace, which Eleonora had purchased unfinished in 1549. Here he
entrusted the extensive work of enlargement to the architect and
sculptor Bartolomeo Ammannati. In 1564 Cosimo and Vasari
boldly built the gallery that permits convenient passage from one
palace to the other by utilizing the Ponte Vecchio. Behind the Pitti
Palace, the vast expanses of the hill of Boboli enabled Cosimo to
indulge still another of his hereditary passions in designing, with
Tribolo's help, the plan of the famous gardens.
Yet in his patronage of the arts, Cosimo was increasingly frustrated,
for the great period of the officina, the workshop of Florentine
masterpieces, was drawing to its close. Michelangelo could no
longer be induced to stay on. In 1534 he departed for Rome,
leaving the Sagrestia Nuova tombs and the Laurentian Library
unfinished. But Cosimo had the artist's body brought back in 1564
and buried it himself with great pomp at Santa Croce. On the other
hand, he was able to retain Jacopo Pontormo and Bronzino, the
official court portraitists, and Ammannati, who was also an engineer
and who had rebuilt the bridge of Santa Trinità after the disastrous
flood of 1557. Cosimo, an archaeologist by temperament, was a
true forerunner in this field. He opened up excavations on Etruscan
sites from which such world-renowned pieces of ancient statuary as
the "Orator" and the "Chimera" were taken. Finally, he established
the Florentine Academy, which engaged in serious linguistic studies.
Cosimo was deeply afflicted when his wife, two of his daughters,
and two of his sons all died within six years (1557-62); his enemies
exploited these misfortunes to spread calumnies against the dynasty.
On March 1, 1564, he resigned the actual government of his
dominions to his eldest son, Francis, though he retained his ducal
title and certain prerogatives; and in December 1565 Francis was
married to the Austrian archduchess Joanna (Joan), a diplomatic
achievement celebrated with great festivity.
Finally on Aug. 27, 1569, Pope Pius V conferred the title of grand
duke (granduca) of Tuscany on Cosimo. This title, however, was
not recognized by the Habsburg powers or by the other Italian
duchies. To gratify Pius, Cosimo in 1570 married Camilla Martelli,
who had long been his mistress.
(britannica)
Tags
>Alan Turing
>Grace Kelly
>Melanie Chisholm
>Ian Hislop
>Charles Babbage
>Bertrand Russell
>Charles Schultz
>Ayn Rand
>Anna Magdalena
>Woody Guthrie
>Linda Tripp
>Gustav Klimt
>Johnny Morris
>Michael Collins (2 men)
>Jean Reno
>Richard O'Brien
>Ben Jonson
>Warren Hastings
Those were the ones I could place (although a few may be wrong). I
recognised the names of some others, but couldn't figure out who they were.
19, ugh that's awful. I'm 19 years old also, BTW.
I'M NOT A DUMBASS!! :)
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>>Group Capt Peter Townsend
>
>played guitar in "The Who"
lol! Was that before or after he was engaged to Princess Margaret?
>
>>Anne Hathaway
>
>Shakespearean bird, did she marry Henry VIII?
No, she married (or at least shagged) Shakespeare....
>>Jane Goodall
>
>monkey girl
>
>>Dian Fossey
>
>athlete
No, another monkey girl IIRC...
>>Richard Ingrams
>
>spy
Former Gnome...
>>Gloria Swanson
>
>actress
>
>>Bertrand Russell
>
>writer?
and philosopher?
>>Silvio Berlusconi
>
>Italian PM?
And media tycoon...
>>Dick Francis (2 answers)
>
>something to do with horses
And (poor, imho) writer (the same guy, don't know who the other one
is...)
>>Jean Renoir
>
>painted
Or was he the film director descendant?
>
>>John Cale
>
>Velvet Underground
>
>>Robert Mapplethorpe
>
>Controversial photographer / artist
>
>>Georg Solti
>
>composer
Conductor, I think...
>>Woody Guthrie
>
>country singer
A bit of an underestimate, I'd say....
>>Johann Kepler
>
>Dutch Astronomer
Egyptian Sand Dancer? (Wilson, Kepler & Betty) :-)
>>John Paul Jones (2 men)
>
>One was an American pioneer
T'other was bassist in Led Zep, now writes and orchestrates film
music.
>>Gregor Mendel
>
>Discovered heredity
In peas...
>>Cosimo Medici
>
>Member of that European royal family who poisoned everyone
Wasn't that the Borgias? I thought the Medicis were art patrons
(though maybe they did a bit of poisoning on the side?)
>>William Henry Fox Talbot
>
>Invented camera
Hmmm. Invented a simple method of dry-plate imagery, but the concept
of photography, and the camera, were already well-established.
Jacqui
> Simon Coward sprachen:
>
> >I guess there's a third Michael Collins now as there's one of them on
> >the Booker prize shortlist - and I don't think it's the Irish chappie or
> >the astronaut.
>
> so he had a spacewalk instead as consolation. Buggering buggers, I
> used to know everything about the American space program, why didn't I
> get that?
We put him in because at the time of writing the original list there'd
been a lot of publicity about NASA, moon landings etc in the papers.
(And I always feel sorry for him too...)
> I got John Paul Jones (Senior) because he's in Sid Meier's
> "Colonization", I have to admit. You get a frigate when he joins your
> congress.
YES!
Jac
Jacqui
> gree...@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> >>Group Capt Peter Townsend
> >
> >played guitar in "The Who"
>
> lol! Was that before or after he was engaged to Princess Margaret?
Heh.
> >>Dian Fossey
> >
> >athlete
>
> No, another monkey girl IIRC...
Gorillas in the Mist is about Dian Fossey. I'm surprised that more
people got Goodall than Fossey, popular culture being what it is.
> >>Silvio Berlusconi
> >
> >Italian PM?
>
> And media tycoon...
And corrupt little ****
> >>Dick Francis (2 answers)
> >
> >something to do with horses
>
> And (poor, imho) writer (the same guy, don't know who the other one
> is...)
Same guy, that's why it's "2 answers" not "2 men". We wanted Jockey and
Author.
> >>Jean Renoir
> >
> >painted
>
> Or was he the film director descendant?
He was.
> >>Georg Solti
> >
> >composer
>
> Conductor, I think...
Yes
> >>Cosimo Medici
> >
> >Member of that European royal family who poisoned everyone
>
> Wasn't that the Borgias? I thought the Medicis were art patrons
> (though maybe they did a bit of poisoning on the side?)
they weren't exactly nice, but he is thinking of the Borgias there, yes.
Jim Hanner
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Alan Turing
>David Willetts
>Grace Kelly
>Kim Howells etc...
Good characters, but a bit short on plot ;-)
I knew who 73 of these were and recognised about 20 of the remaining
names. Are we going to get the full list or have we got to look them
up to improve our minds?
--
Jim
David the Twat
Martin Palmer <user@YOUR_HATpalmerco.u-net.com> wrote in message
news:39e4420b....@news.u-net.com...
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:09:08 GMT, gree...@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>John Paul Jones (2 men)
> >
> >One was an American pioneer
>
> T'other was bassist in Led Zep, now writes and orchestrates film
> music.
Not to be confused with John Paul Joans, the long - haired weirdo
skull-faced twat, who had a minor hit with 'The Man From Nazareth' back in
1970? He also went on to do some early form of 'alternative comedy' and
died many a death in Northern clubs, as as he delivered much off the wall
surreal kind of shite, that passes for modern day comedy. Maybe he was
'ahead of his time'?
I don't know if it's an urban myth, but has anyone else heard the tale of
the time he rambled onstage at some Yorkshire R. Catholic club, and noting
the crucifix on the side wall commented. "Hmm - I see you found the guy
who pinched your telly last week?"
The follow-up to this tale ends up with JPJ ending up, being chucked through
the shop window next door. Anyone ever heard this, or similar?
David
Nick Cooper
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Alan Turing
Bletchley Park mathematician
>Grace Kelly
Actress/Princess Grace of Monaco
>Kofi Annan
United Nations top-bod
>Madeleine Allbright
US Ambassador to the UN?
>Lionel Jospin
French politician - PM?
>Louis Pasteur
Chemist - invented pasteurisation (milk, Red Bull, etc.)
>Nicholas Brakespear
Rings a bell - painter?
>Timothy Leary
1960s LSD-proponent
>Bob Champion
Jockey
>Noam Chomsky
Canadian media/political theorist/expert
>Gordon Banks
Footballer?
>Group Capt Peter Townsend
First British male astronaut
>Anne Hathaway
Well, she had this cottage somewhere...
>Dian Fossey
Something to do with wildlife - apes?
>Hernan Cortes
Stealer of South America gold and indirect spreader of
syphillis
>Darius Guppy
Millionaire philanthropist
>Charlie Parker
Jazz musician
>Melanie Chisholm
Mel C!
>Ian Hislop
"Sperm of the Devil"
>Johnny Weissmuller
Olympic swimmer/Tarzan
>Charles Babbage
Inventor of the calculating machine
>Richard Ingrams
Ex-editor/founder of 'Private Eye'
>Gloria Swanson
Actress
>Bertrand Russell
Philopsher and anti-nuclear campaigner
>Kim Philby
Spy (both for and against "us")
>Kenneth Tynan
1960s director of the National Theatre and the first man to
say "fuck" of British TV (actually it was "fucking")
>Charles Schultz
Creator of 'Charlie Brown' comic strips
>Glen Matlock
Punk "musician"
>Ayn Rand
Mad.
>Andreas Baader
1970s German urban guerilla/terrorist
>Leonid Brezhnev
Former Soviet premier
>Silvio Berlusconi
Italian politician
>Dick Francis (2 answers)
"Author"
>Jean Renoir
Painter
>Guy Gibson
Wing Commander, RAF 617 Squadron (Dambusters Raid)
>William Wilberforce
British slavery abolitionist
>Robert Mapplethorpe
Very strange US artist
>Aneurin Bevan
Socialist politician
>Georg Solti
Conductor (orchestras, not buses)
>Robert Oppenheimer
Nuclear physicist - "Father of the Atomic Bomb"
>Pete Best
Something musical
>Mark Ramprakash
TV news reporter/reader
>Jonathan Swift
Satirist
>Ian Holm
Actor ('Alien', etc.)
>Edgar Rice Burroughs
Far-fetched author
>David Shayler
Ex-MI6 whistle-blower
>Shane McGowan
Musician
>David Niven
Actor
>Robert Graves
Author ('I, Claudius')
>Johann Kepler
Astronomer
>Johnny Morris
Zoo keeper and host of 'Animal Magic'
>Michael Collins (2 men)
Irish republican
>John Conteh
Boxer (1970s)
>Tom Conti
Actor
>Jean Reno
French actor ('Nikita', 'Leon', etc.)
>Paul Eddington
Actor ('The Good Life', etc.)
>Richard O'Brien
Actor, playwright ('Rocky Horror')
>Nancy Astor
Rich Titanic survivor. First UK woman MP.
>Jean Paul Marat
French revolutionist
>Thomas Bowdler
Abridger of Shakespeare (hence "Bowdlerise")
>Valentina Tereshkova
First woman in space (Soviet)
>Pierre Samuel Du Pont
Chemist
>Friedrich Engels
Sponsor of Karl Marx's work
>Gregor Mendel
Botanist
>Cosimo Medici
Something to do with Florence in the rennaisance
>Alice Liddell
Inspiration for 'Alice in Wonderland', etc.
>William Henry Fox Talbot
Photography pioneer
>Hendrik Verwoerd
South African premier assassinated (messily) in the 60s
>
>Jac
Prolific Usenet poster.
>David Willetts
>Kim Howells
>Nicholas Hawksmoor
>Graham Upton
>George Stubbs
>Abbie Hoffmann
>Peter Nichols
>Harry Llewellyn
>Francisco Pizzaro
>Jane Goodall
>Margaret Mitchell
>Carl Giles
>Herman Brix
>Andrew Pakes
>John Cassavetes
>John Cale
>Edward Hopper
>Anna Magdalena
>Milan Kundera
>Aphra Behn
>William Burroughs
>Woody Guthrie
>Linda Tripp
>Gustav Klimt
>George Sluizer
>Maurice Micklewhite
>Christopher Isherwood
>Nicole Farhi
>Dante Aligheri
>Wackford Squeers
>William Wilkie Collins
>Constance Marckiewicz
>Sir John Alcock
>Jim Thorpe
>Francesco Borromini
>Julia Ewing
>John Paul Jones (2 men)
>Ben Jonson
>John Knox
>Hugh Lofting
>Sir Sidney Smith
>Rocco Marcheghiano
>Warren Hastings
>Nicodemus Tessin (elder or younger)
>Heng Samrin
>Andre Maurois
>Margaret Mead
>Carl von Linne
>Gabriel Lippmann
>John Foxe
>Maximilian Foy
>Anne Bonney
>Taillefer
>John Greenleaf Whittier
>Bronson Alcott
That'll teach me to stop reading 'The Guardian' (although of this
50-odd I could say I at least "recognise" around half the names).
--
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>On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:08:32 +0100, Simon Coward
><hartl...@clara.co.uk> sprachen:
>
>>I guess there's a third Michael Collins now as there's one of them on
>>the Booker prize shortlist - and I don't think it's the Irish chappie or
>>the astronaut.
>
>Oh shit yeah, the one on Apollo XI who didn't get to go to the moon,
>so he had a spacewalk instead as consolation. Buggering buggers, I
>used to know everything about the American space program, why didn't I
>get that?
I should have known that one, as I did a scratch video to various
Apollo XI bits, although he's always referred to as "Mike Collins."
Excuse.
alf
<da...@comedytime.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Not to be confused with John Paul Joans, the long - haired weirdo
>skull-faced twat, who had a minor hit with 'The Man From Nazareth' back in
>1970?
Hey careful David, you're treading on my adolescence here. I always
thought it was a great song (look, I was 13, okay?).
Then later I found out it was 'tongue-in-cheek' and the backing band
was 10cc (or the Hotlegs variant). Kinda took the edge off it. Still,
great lyrics:
The Man from Nazareth, 33,
Stirred up a lot of trouble in society,
No 50 guinea suit to make him smart,
Just strong belief that reached the heart.
Maybe not, then.
alf
***************************
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Martin Palmer
<da...@comedytime.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>I don't know if it's an urban myth, but has anyone else heard the tale of
>the time he rambled onstage at some Yorkshire R. Catholic club, and noting
>the crucifix on the side wall commented. "Hmm - I see you found the guy
>who pinched your telly last week?"
>
>The follow-up to this tale ends up with JPJ ending up, being chucked through
>the shop window next door. Anyone ever heard this, or similar?
It was Roy 'Chubby' Brown when I heard it...
e
Nick Cooper wrote:
<snip three days of intensive research>
> >Jac
> Prolific Usenet poster.
>
and head case
)
e
Nick Cooper
>
>
>Nick Cooper wrote:
>
><snip three days of intensive research>
Nope, I've just been "busy" addressing other things (David!'s drug
thread, swim-marathon training, etc.). Having now actually looked up
a few and at some of the other posts, I could have cheated and added
and corrected about a dozen. I could have put much more detail from
memory in for Guy Gibson (Victoria Cross, killed while flying a DH
Mosquito as master-bomber, buried in Steenbergen, Holland), William
Wilberfoce and few others that would have betrayed personal interest
in certain subjects.
>> >Jac
>> Prolific Usenet poster.
>>
>and head case
That's not a very nice thing to say.
David the Twat
Nick Cooper <nick....@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:39eae64a...@news.virgin.net...
> >Oh shit yeah, the one on Apollo XI who didn't get to go to the moon,
> >so he had a spacewalk instead as consolation. Buggering buggers, I
> >used to know everything about the American space program, why didn't I
> >get that?
Nobody ever mentions how Buzz Aldrin was so pissed off, at not being the
first man to walk on the moon, being under the command of Neil Armstrong.
Apparently, he was so jealous and seething with anger, that, after Armstrong
had waddled down the steps, and done the business etc, he climbed up the
steps again, and knocked on the door of the lunar module.
Aldrin grumpily responding - "Who is it??"
D
David the Twat
alf <bowman...@alfredo.virgin.net> wrote in message
news:39e4f01e....@news.virgin.net...
> >skull-faced twat, who had a minor hit with 'The Man From Nazareth' back
in
> >1970?
>
> Hey careful David, you're treading on my adolescence here. I always
> thought it was a great song (look, I was 13, okay?).
LOL OK OK.......I must admit that it wasn't a bad song.
>
> Then later I found out it was 'tongue-in-cheek' and the backing band
> was 10cc (or the Hotlegs variant). Kinda took the edge off it. Still,
> great lyrics:
>
> The Man from Nazareth, 33,
> Stirred up a lot of trouble in society,
> No 50 guinea suit to make him smart,
> Just strong belief that reached the heart.
Yep - bang on. Hotlegs were great - they had their biggest hit, which was
dedicated to someone who was born around that time (?) Paul Gascoigne??
You know the one, obviously. I'll let the next poster answer this piece of
trivia.
David
David the Twat
resorting to reference books - so there!!! :P
D
Jacqui
Jacqui wrote:
>
>>Alan Turing
>>David Willetts
>>Grace Kelly
>>Kim Howells etc...
>
>Good characters, but a bit short on plot ;-)
Get a copy of Mr Johnson's dictionary and add a few words in, then get
Baldrick to burn the lot. Scripts for Brookside will emerge...
>I knew who 73 of these were and recognised about 20 of the remaining
>names. Are we going to get the full list or have we got to look them
>up to improve our minds?
Give it another few days to let the rest of the half-answers go, and
I'll elaborate. ;)
Jac
Simon Coward
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Get a copy of Mr Johnson's dictionary and add a few words in, then get
>Baldrick to burn the lot. Scripts for Brookside will emerge...
I hope you will not object if I offer you my most enthusiastic
contrafibularatories.
Nick Cooper
Prove it.
The Machine
without
> >resorting to reference books - so there!!! :P
>
> Prove it.
I knew someone would say that sooner or later.
--
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Sausage? ;-)
Shez
Nick Cooper <nick....@virgin.net> writes:
>>Alan Turing
> Bletchley Park mathematician
Invented computer science. The codebreaking work was just a wartime
phase in the middle of his career.
>>Noam Chomsky
> Canadian media/political theorist/expert
He's American, but the documentary about him was Canadian.
He's a leading figure in Computational Linguistics, although he seems to
be better known to the world at large as a political activist interested
in how the media is manipulated by those in power to maintain the status
quo. (For an example of this, note the deafening silence from UK
broadcasters towards reporting or investigating the R.I.P. Act which
recently took away one of our human rights. This despite the fact that
every "bug" of the macro virus type, and everything else dodgy which
involves the Internet, is usually headline news.)
-Shez.
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e
Nick Cooper wrote:
> >Nick Cooper wrote:
> >
> ><snip three days of intensive research>
>
> Nope, I've just been "busy" addressing other things (David!'s drug
> thread, swim-marathon training, etc.). Having now actually looked up
> a few and at some of the other posts, I could have cheated and added
> and corrected about a dozen. I could have put much more detail from
> memory in for Guy Gibson (Victoria Cross, killed while flying a DH
> Mosquito as master-bomber, buried in Steenbergen, Holland), William
> Wilberfoce and few others that would have betrayed personal interest
> in certain subjects.
Apologies. Cheap shot. But you did post the whole list again.
> >> >Jac
> >> Prolific Usenet poster.
> >>
> >and head case
>
> That's not a very nice thing to say.
why not?
)
e
Jacqui
>Jacqui wrote:
>
>>Get a copy of Mr Johnson's dictionary and add a few words in, then get
>>Baldrick to burn the lot. Scripts for Brookside will emerge...
>
>I hope you will not object if I offer you my most enthusiastic
>contrafibularatories.
Sure. I'll just go cook us a couple of sausages...
Jac
Martin Palmer
<the-m...@TURRETS.redhotant.com> wrote:
>> >Well, I hate to annoy you all (ahem) but I knew most of these names,
>without
>> >resorting to reference books - so there!!! :P
>>
>> Prove it.
>
>I knew someone would say that sooner or later.
What do you mean "someone"? I think we all knew who - it was just a
matter of time...
The Machine
without
> >> >resorting to reference books - so there!!! :P
> >>
> >> Prove it.
> >
> >I knew someone would say that sooner or later.
>
> What do you mean "someone"? I think we all knew who - it was just a matter
of time...
Not sure we're thinking of the same remark here. I meant that I knew
someone would say 'Prove it' sooner or later.
Simon Coward
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Sure. I'll just go cook us a couple of sausages...
SAUSAGE!
Simon.
Jacqui
Jacqui wrote:
>
>>Sure. I'll just go cook us a couple of sausages...
>
>SAUSAGE!
How do you feel about Aardvarks?
Jac
Simon Coward
<Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>How do you feel about Aardvarks?
Are you concerned about the Aardvarks? (Do they attack sheep?)
If so, I am anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctious to have caused you
such periconbobulations.
(And all that to avoid answering, "I usually use my hands")
Nick Cooper
>
>
>Nick Cooper wrote:
>
>> >Nick Cooper wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip three days of intensive research>
>>
>> Nope, I've just been "busy" addressing other things (David!'s drug
>> thread, swim-marathon training, etc.). Having now actually looked up
>> a few and at some of the other posts, I could have cheated and added
>> and corrected about a dozen. I could have put much more detail from
>> memory in for Guy Gibson (Victoria Cross, killed while flying a DH
>> Mosquito as master-bomber, buried in Steenbergen, Holland), William
>> Wilberfoce and few others that would have betrayed personal interest
>> in certain subjects.
>
>Apologies. Cheap shot. But you did post the whole list again.
Ah, but I did shuffle it about a bit first.
>> >> >Jac
>> >> Prolific Usenet poster.
>> >>
>> >and head case
>>
>> That's not a very nice thing to say.
>
>why not?
It just isn't when there are other far more deserving of the label.
Nick Cooper
wrote:
>I think there are signs here you've been watching too much tv...
>
>Nick Cooper <nick....@virgin.net> writes:
>>>Alan Turing
>> Bletchley Park mathematician
>
>Invented computer science. The codebreaking work was just a wartime
>phase in the middle of his career.
Turing was first and foremost a mathematician, and it was as such that
he came to the theory of the possibility of a computer, while it was
left to others to actually create it. In fact, others before Turing
had proposed similar devices (cf. Babbage). It's a bit like the
opposite situation of Baird getting the credit for "inventing"
television, when in fact he was simply the first person to realise the
ideas of others with a few of his own.
>>>Noam Chomsky
>> Canadian media/political theorist/expert
>
>He's American, but the documentary about him was Canadian.
Close enough.
e
Nick Cooper wrote:
>
> >
> >Apologies. Cheap shot. But you did post the whole list again.
>
> Ah, but I did shuffle it about a bit first.
>
> >> >> >Jac
> >> >> Prolific Usenet poster.
> >> >>
> >> >and head case
> >>
> >> That's not a very nice thing to say.
> >
> >why not?
>
> It just isn't when there are other far more deserving of the label.
> --
Oh yeah? To whom might you be referring?
e
Shez
>>
>>Invented computer science. The codebreaking work was just a wartime
>>phase in the middle of his career.
>
>Turing was first and foremost a mathematician, and it was as such that
>he came to the theory of the possibility of a computer, while it was
>left to others to actually create it.
That's what I meant when I said he invented computer science -- he came
up with the theory of computability and the notion of a universal
computing machine which could execute any algorithm. It's true that
Babbage had already devised something along these lines, but his work
lacked the theoretical underpinnings which Turing's1937 paper on
computability provided and which was later used by people such as John
von Neumann to design actual working computers.
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<the-m...@TURRETS.redhotant.com> wrote:
>> >> >Well, I hate to annoy you all (ahem) but I knew most of these names,
>without
>> >> >resorting to reference books - so there!!! :P
>Not sure we're thinking of the same remark here. I meant that I knew
>someone would say 'Prove it' sooner or later.
Sorry. I meant the quote above.
Nick Cooper
>
>
>Nick Cooper wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Apologies. Cheap shot. But you did post the whole list again.
>>
>> Ah, but I did shuffle it about a bit first.
>>
>> >> >> >Jac
>> >> >> Prolific Usenet poster.
>> >> >>
>> >> >and head case
>> >>
>> >> That's not a very nice thing to say.
>> >
>> >why not?
>>
>> It just isn't when there are other far more deserving of the label.
>> --
>
>Oh yeah? To whom might you be referring?
Bob S immediately springs to mind....
Nick Cooper
wrote:
>Nick Cooper <nick....@virgin.net>writes:
>>On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:38:38 +0100, Shez <ne...@xerez.demon.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>>>>Alan Turing
>>>
>>>Invented computer science. The codebreaking work was just a wartime
>>>phase in the middle of his career.
>>
>>Turing was first and foremost a mathematician, and it was as such that
>>he came to the theory of the possibility of a computer, while it was
>>left to others to actually create it.
>
>That's what I meant when I said he invented computer science -- he came
>up with the theory of computability and the notion of a universal
>computing machine which could execute any algorithm. It's true that
>Babbage had already devised something along these lines, but his work
>lacked the theoretical underpinnings which Turing's1937 paper on
>computability provided and which was later used by people such as John
>von Neumann to design actual working computers.
Whatever.
Jacqui
liners because they've been discussed already in the group). Where
multiple answers are given, any of these were acceptable in identifying
who they were for the purposes of the original survey (i.e some idea is
better than none)
>Alan Turing - computing, codebreaking, mathematician, deviser of Turing
Test.
>David Willetts - "2 Brains" Willetts. MP
>Grace Kelly - actress, princess, daughter of Olympic gold medallist
>Kim Howells - MP (Education at the time this list was originally
written, hence the relevance)
>Nicholas Hawksmoor - 17th/18th C architect - Blenheim Palace, All Souls
Oxford etc.
>Kofi Annan - successor to Boutros Boutros Ghali but not as
sketch-show-friendly
>Graham Upton - the Vice-Chancellor of my university. A worrying number
of people in the original survey had no idea who he was. I'd be
surprised if any of you lot knew though.
>Madeleine Allbright - US minister
>George Stubbs - Landscape/horse painter
>Lionel Jospin - French minister
>Louis Pasteur - French chemist, vaccinations, pasteurisation of milk
etc.
>Abbie Hoffmann - anti-establishment activist/hippy/legend
>Nicholas Brakespear - I misspelled him, it should be Nicolas Breakspear
according to Chambers, apparently. Anyhoo, he was the last English
pope, Adrian IV
>Timothy Leary - acid, turn on tune in drop out, Winona Ryder's
godfather, hippy
>Bob Champion - jockey, cancer survivor
>Noam Chomsky - critic, linguist, philosopher, scholar, political
radical, economy. He's principally a linguist though, has been teaching
for over 40 years.
>Gordon Banks - footy
>Group Capt Peter Townsend - nearly married Princess Margaret
>Peter Nichols - playwright
>Harry Llewellyn - showjumper
>Anne Hathaway - Mrs Shakespeare, owner of cottage in Stratford
>Francisco Pizzaro - misspelled again, it's Pizarro. Conqueror of Peru,
explorer, founded Lima, conquistador.
>Jane Goodall - chimps, anthropologist.
>Dian Fossey - Gorillas in the Mist, also chimps, anthropologist,
killed.
>Hernan Cortes - Conqueror of Mexico, explorer, conquistador.
>Darius Guppy - disgraced city-type, prison sentence, drugs, favourite
target of Private Eye.
>Charlie Parker - Bird, alto/tenor saxophonist, bandleader, composer,
jazz, heroin.
>Margaret Mitchell - wrote Gone with the Wind.
>Carl Giles - cartoonist in Daily/Sunday Express, all those yearly
annuals.
>Melanie Chisholm - Mel C
>Ian Hislop - Gnome of Private Eye :) HIGNFY, Telegraph columnist.
>Johnny Weissmuller - Tarzan, Olympic swimming gold medallist.
>Herman Brix - Tarzan, Olympic swimming gold medallist.
>Charles Babbage - computing, adding, "first computer", Astronomical
Society gold medallist, Lucasian professor of Mathematics at Cambridge.
>Richard Ingrams - Private Eye, Oldie, professional grump. ;)
>Gloria Swanson - actress, Oscar-nominated.
>Bertrand Russell - Philosopher, pacifist, CND, Reith Lectures,
mathematician, logician, author.
>Kim Philby - spy.
>Kenneth Tynan - theatre critic, promoter/producer, social commentator,
first man to say "fucking" on tv, film/tv editor.
>Charles Schultz - creator of Peanuts.
>Glen Matlock - Sex Pistol.
>Ayn Rand - writer.
>Andreas Baader - Baader-Meinhof gang, anarcho-terrorist, assassin,
arsonist, suicide.
>Leonid Brezhnev - leader of Soviet Union 1964-82
>Silvio Berlusconi - Italian PM 1994-5, tax-evasion, owns AC Milan and
TV companies.
>Andrew Pakes - NUS President 1998-2000
>John Cassavetes - actor
>Dick Francis (2 answers) - jockey, author.
>Jean Renoir - son of Pierre Auguste Renoir (the painter), film
director.
>Guy Gibson - VC, Dambusters raid, killed in action 1944.
>John Cale - musician.
>William Wilberforce - MP, abolished slave trade in Britain 1807, was
working on total/global abolition at time of his death in 1833.
>Robert Mapplethorpe - photographer/artist.
>Aneurin Bevan - Nye, miners' activist, minister for Health 1945 &
brought in NHS 1948.
>Edward Hopper - painter (all those beach scenes Athena rip off)
>Georg Solti - Hungarian/British (from 1972) conductor, pianist.
>Robert Oppenheimer - "how can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's
deadly toy?" (Sting). Nuclear physicist, director of Los Alomos lab
1943-5.
>Anna Magdalena - 2nd wife and muse of JS Bach (the Anna Magdalena
notebooks). (Her original surname was Wilken but she's never known by
that or as Bach.)
>Pete Best - original Beatles drummer, erstwhile Job Centre employee.
>Milan Kundera - Czech novelist, film lecturer, "The Unbearable
Lightness of Being".
>Mark Ramprakash - cricketer
>Jonathan Swift - author, clergyman, poet, satirist.
>Aphra Behn - nee Amis, first female writer to earn a living by it (17th
C), spy, explorer, actress, buried in Westminster Abbey.
>William Burroughs - William Seward Burroughs invented the adding
machine (as recognised today). His grandson William Seward Burroughs
was a novelist, junkie, "beat" writer. Take your pick.
>Ian Holm - actor
>Woody Guthrie - singer, guitarist, songwriter, author, trade union
campaigner, also wrote songs for children.
>Edgar Rice Burroughs - creator of Tarzan, and first "Mars" novels with
any credibility.
>Linda Tripp - very "in the news" when the list was written.
"Confidante" (!) of Monica Lewinsky, player in the Gates affair.
>David Shayler - is he a spy/whistleblower? or just a fat Paul Merton?
>Shane McGowan - Pogues' lead singer.
>David Niven - cousin of Dirk Bogarde, actor, writer, Oscar winner.
>Gustav Klimt - artist.
>Robert Graves - author, poet, "I Claudius"
>Johann Kepler - German mathematician and astronomer, deviser of laws of
physics/astrophysics that influenced Newton
>Johnny Morris - Animal Magic, gave voices to zoo animals.
>Michael Collins (2 men) - 3 now, since this list was written! 1.
Author 2. Man who didn't make it on to the moon when his crewmates did
:( 3. Irish activist.
>John Conteh - boxer
>Tom Conti - actor
>George Sluizer - since writing this list in 1997 I have forgotten
entirely. :) something in films - director. erm. Yes, that's him. The
Vanishing etc.
>Jean Reno - actor, "Leon"
>Maurice Micklewhite - Michael Caine
>Paul Eddington - actor, Quaker, "The Good Life", "Yes Minister"
>Christopher Isherwood - author
>Nicole Farhi - designer
>Dante Aligheri - author/poet, "Inferno"
>Wackford Squeers - fictional character in Nicholas Nickleby
>William Wilkie Collins - author, first "detective novel" in English
(The Moonstone)
>Richard O'Brien - Crystal Maze, Rocky Horror Show
>Constance Marckiewicz - Irish, Countess, first woman to be elected to
parliament in the UK, but she was Sinn Fein so refused to take her seat.
>Nancy Astor - American, 2nd woman elected to parliament in the UK, but
did take her seat.
>Sir John Alcock - Alcock and Brown made the first non-stop Atlantic
crossing in 1919.
>Jim Thorpe - athlete 1912 Olympics, stripped of 2 gold medals because
he had once received money for playing baseball. Reinstated in the
1970s. Baseball player 1913-26
>Francesco Borromini - 17th C architect and sculptor.
>Julia Ewing - aka Julianna, Mrs Ewing, popular author for children in
19th century.
>John Paul Jones (2 men) - 1. Led Zeppelin 2. American naval officer in
War of Independence, made raid on Solway Firth (coincidentally was
Scottish-born).
>Ben Jonson - Proof that spelling counts. Not Ben Johnson, the athlete,
but Ben Jonson, the playwright and actor, contemporary of Shakespeare,
occasionally misquoted and attributed to Shakespeare too. :(
>John Knox - Scottish Protestant reformer, 16th C.
>Hugh Lofting - author of Dr Doolittle.
>Sir Sidney Smith - Forensic scientist, Regius professor of forensic
medicine at Edinburgh for 25 years, very important breakthroughs in
forensic science. He may be Sydney, I've found it spelled 2 ways.
>Jean Paul Marat - physician, journalist, revolutionary. Vital to the
French revolution, stabbed in his bath by Charlotte Corday 1793.
>Rocco Marcheghiano - aka Rocky Marciano. Boxer.
>Warren Hastings - governor-general of India 1773, impeached for
corruption 1788.
>Thomas Bowdler - tidied up Shakespeare... and several other authors,
for "family consumption", clergyman, relative of a friend of mine. ;)
>Valentina Tereshkova - first woman in space.
>Nicodemus Tessin (elder or younger) - Swedish architects.
>Heng Samrin - brain has gone blank. No, nothing. Um.
>Pierre Samuel Du Pont - manufacturer, originally gunpowder, co-owner of
Du Pont co, president of General Motors 1920, reorganised and saved it
from bankruptcy.
>Friedrich Engels - German socialist, writer, co-wrote Communist
Manifesto with Marx. Buried in an urn off the coast of Eastbourne.
Don't ask me why I know that.
>Andre Maurois - French author.
>Gregor Mendel - peas, fruitflies, genetics, monk, biologist and
botanist.
>Cosimo Medici - Italian renaissance (see Enc Brit entries for all of
them)
>Margaret Mead - anthropologist.
>Carl von Linne - Linnaeus, nomenclature of plants and animals,
botanist/naturalist.
>Alice Liddell - Alice in Wonderland, through the looking glass
>Gabriel Lippmann - 1908 Nobel physicist, first coloured photograph of
the spectrum.
>John Foxe - Foxe's Book of Martyrs, martyrologist/church historian.
>Maximilian Foy - Napoleonic general.
>William Henry Fox Talbot - physicist, "inventor" of flash photography
(a method of it, anyway), published first book to be illustrated with
photographs, also cryptographer, astronomer, mathematician. The
National Trust owns his home at Lacock, Wiltshire, and it's well worth a
visit.
>Anne Bonney - female pirate, contemporary of Mary Read. Should be
known to all Adam and the Ants fans. :)
>Taillefer - a Norman minstrel, killed at the Battle of Hastings. He's
in the Bayeux Tapestry.
>Hendrik Verwoerd - pro-apartheid, 6th Prime Minister of South Africa,
assassinated.
>John Greenleaf Whittier - poet.
>Bronson Alcott - father of Louisa May Alcott, vegetarian,
transcendentalist, teacher and educationalist, pacifist.
Jac
David the Twat
Jacqui <Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8t3s0j$2te$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> And now the abbreviated answers :) (Some of these are no more than 1
> liners because they've been discussed already in the group). Where
> multiple answers are given, any of these were acceptable in identifying
> who they were for the purposes of the original survey (i.e some idea is
> better than none)
Ere! How come David! wasn't on this list????
:o(
D
Mike Plowman
<da...@comedytime.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Jacqui <Jac...@mireille1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:8t3s0j$2te$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> And now the abbreviated answers :) (Some of these are no more than 1
>> liners because they've been discussed already in the group). Where
>> multiple answers are given, any of these were acceptable in identifying
>> who they were for the purposes of the original survey (i.e some idea is
>> better than none)
>
>
>Ere! How come David! wasn't on this list????
>
Somehow, I think you'te the only one that doesn't know the answer to
that. :-)
--
Mike Plowman
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