Let Him Have It - execution drink?
Dom Robinson
night and saw this was on until 3 so caught the last half hour as it was quite
gripping stuff even though I'd seen it before.
However, what was it that Derek Bentley was given to drink just before being
hung?
And did he ever get let off in the end, before or after his sister died? I'm
sure something happened but can't remember and of course these things never
get updated.
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> And did he ever get let off in the end, before or after his sister died? I'm
> sure something happened but can't remember and of course these things never
> get updated.
He was pardoned on 30 July 1998, 18 months after his sister, Iris, died
on 23 January, 1997 after a lifetime trying to clear her brother's name.
Mark Aldridge
"Dom Robinson" <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> And did he ever get let off in the end, before or after his sister died?
I'm
> sure something happened but can't remember and of course these things
never
> get updated.
Yes, he was later pardoned, although not until after his sister's death:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/142301.stm
Mark
David Boothroyd
>
> Completely knackered I switch the TV on before going to sleep about 2.30
> last night and saw this was on until 3 so caught the last half hour as it
> was quite gripping stuff even though I'd seen it before.
>
> However, what was it that Derek Bentley was given to drink just before being
> hung?
It was traditional for the condemned to be offered a tot of whisky when
the executioner entered the cell.
Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
> And did he ever get let off in the end, before or after his sister died?
> I'm sure something happened but can't remember and of course these things
> never get updated.
He had a pardon limited to sentence in the mid-90s, and a full pardon
(ie including conviction) in 1998.
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Dom Robinson
da...@election.demon.co.uk says...
> In article <MPG.1afcc30a9...@news.individual.net>, murphyi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Completely knackered I switch the TV on before going to sleep about 2.30
> > last night and saw this was on until 3 so caught the last half hour as it
> > was quite gripping stuff even though I'd seen it before.
> >
> > However, what was it that Derek Bentley was given to drink just before being
> > hung?
>
> It was traditional for the condemned to be offered a tot of whisky when
> the executioner entered the cell.
Thanks for that. I had a feeling it was some kind of muscle relaxant, and he
didn't exactly get time to savour it.
> Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
> quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
I guess there'd be camera cuts put in to show everything involved, where some
things would be happening at the same time in reality.
It's still quite chilling when the warden says, "You follow me lad. It'll be
right". Erm... exactly how will it be right?
> > And did he ever get let off in the end, before or after his sister died?
> > I'm sure something happened but can't remember and of course these things
> > never get updated.
>
> He had a pardon limited to sentence in the mid-90s, and a full pardon
> (ie including conviction) in 1998.
Thanks to everyone who replied on that, but it beggars belief that there must
be someone granting that pardon thinking, "Yes, that'll make a difference to
the convicted." A very sad state of affairs all round.
andy
"David Boothroyd" <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:david-01050...@election.demon.co.uk...
> In article <MPG.1afcc30a9...@news.individual.net>,
murphyi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Completely knackered I switch the TV on before going to sleep about 2.30
> > last night and saw this was on until 3 so caught the last half hour as
it
> > was quite gripping stuff even though I'd seen it before.
> >
> > However, what was it that Derek Bentley was given to drink just before
being
> > hung?
>
> It was traditional for the condemned to be offered a tot of whisky when
> the executioner entered the cell.
I remember reading the biography of the hangmans assistant (cant remember
either names at the mo) who claimed that despite popular myth, no condemned
man was ever given alcohol!!!
Graham Wilson
<murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It's still quite chilling when the warden says, "You follow me lad. It'll be
>right". Erm... exactly how will it be right?
At least death by hanging was a fairly quick way to go provided the
drop was correct. The Home Office developed an official "drop table"
that could be used by a hangsman.
Too short a drop and the person would strangle to death and too long a
drop would result in decapitation.
The drop table was based on weight and build. The table would then
provide the calculated drop length.
Botched executions in America are common.
Read this particular page from the bottom upwards:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=478
In 2000 an American judge described the botched executions of three
prisoners in the electric chair as "barbaric spectacles" and "acts
more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state." Justice
Shaw was so disgusted that he ordered photographs taken after one
execution be released to the public.
The photographs are not very nice:
http://www.oranous.com/florida/allenleedavis.html
Graham
Dom Robinson
says...
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 09:21:13 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >It's still quite chilling when the warden says, "You follow me lad. It'll be
> >right". Erm... exactly how will it be right?
>
> At least death by hanging was a fairly quick way to go provided the
> drop was correct. The Home Office developed an official "drop table"
> that could be used by a hangsman.
>
> Too short a drop and the person would strangle to death and too long a
> drop would result in decapitation.
>
> The drop table was based on weight and build. The table would then
> provide the calculated drop length.
Not sure I get that. Surely as long as their feet don't hit the floor they'll
either strangle or break their neck anyway, either of which is surely the
point?
> Botched executions in America are common.
>
> Read this particular page from the bottom upwards:
>
> http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=478
Nite site :)
> In 2000 an American judge described the botched executions of three
> prisoners in the electric chair as "barbaric spectacles" and "acts
> more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state." Justice
> Shaw was so disgusted that he ordered photographs taken after one
> execution be released to the public.
>
> The photographs are not very nice:
>
> http://www.oranous.com/florida/allenleedavis.html
Wonder if they're on ogrish.com :)
Graham Wilson
<murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> At least death by hanging was a fairly quick way to go provided the
>> drop was correct. The Home Office developed an official "drop table"
>> that could be used by a hangsman.
>>
>> Too short a drop and the person would strangle to death and too long a
>> drop would result in decapitation.
>>
>> The drop table was based on weight and build. The table would then
>> provide the calculated drop length.
>
>Not sure I get that. Surely as long as their feet don't hit the floor they'll
>either strangle or break their neck anyway, either of which is surely the
>point?
Top short a drop - person strangles to death. Can take upto 40 minutes
to die.
Drop correct - neck broken. Usually dead within 15 seconds.
Drop too long - head decapitated from body.
The point is to cleanly break the neck.
Graham
Thanatos
<gra...@dircon.co.uk> decided to inform us that...
>In 2000 an American judge described the botched executions of three
>prisoners in the electric chair as "barbaric spectacles" and "acts
>more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state." Justice
>Shaw was so disgusted that he ordered photographs taken after one
>execution be released to the public.
>
>The photographs are not very nice:
>
>http://www.oranous.com/florida/allenleedavis.html
Having read what Allen Lee Davis did, all I can say is that I hope his
execution was every bit as agonising as the pictures would seem to
indicate. Hopefully, his last minutes on earth were the most
excruciatingly painful of his miserable, worthless life.
matt
Those pics of the Brando-looking guy have been on rotten.com for years.
matt
"Graham Wilson" <gra...@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1vh790hgtpfijbau2...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 15:47:50 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> At least death by hanging was a fairly quick way to go provided the
> >> drop was correct. The Home Office developed an official "drop table"
> >> that could be used by a hangsman.
> >>
> >> Too short a drop and the person would strangle to death and too long a
> >> drop would result in decapitation.
> >>
> >> The drop table was based on weight and build. The table would then
> >> provide the calculated drop length.
> >
> >Not sure I get that. Surely as long as their feet don't hit the floor
they'll
> >either strangle or break their neck anyway, either of which is surely the
> >point?
>
> Top short a drop - person strangles to death. Can take upto 40 minutes
> to die.
>
> Drop correct - neck broken. Usually dead within 15 seconds.
Does it really take 15 seconds? I always assumed it was instant. How soon
until they check the body?
>
> Drop too long - head decapitated from body.
>
> The point is to cleanly break the neck.
>
> Graham
>
I've always wondered what the point in the electric chair was. It appears to
be far too brutal and painful, why not just hang them or shoot them in the
head?
Same goes for the lethal injection. Why mess around with chemicals that some
say cause pain to the victim when they can just use a regular anaesthetic
and then kill them with any one of many known poisons.
matt
taking pistols from kids seemed to be as normal as confiscating conkers.
Hugo Nebula
da...@election.demon.co.uk (David Boothroyd) randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:
>Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
>quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
I think the best hanging scene is in 10 Rillington Place, where the
wardrobe is pulled back by the warders to reveal the gallows, and the
hanging is carried out swiftly and almost silently except for Timothy
Evans' (David Hurt) breathing. I think the whole scene must have
taken less than a minute.
--
Hugo Nebula
"The fact that no-one on the internet wants a piece of this
shows you just how far you've strayed from the pack".
Graham Wilson
>
>"Graham Wilson" <gra...@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1vh790hgtpfijbau2...@4ax.com...
>> Drop correct - neck broken. Usually dead within 15 seconds.
>
>Does it really take 15 seconds? I always assumed it was instant. How soon
>until they check the body?
>
I believe that out of respect and to make sure the person was dead the
body was left for an hour.
>I've always wondered what the point in the electric chair was. It appears to
>be far too brutal and painful, why not just hang them or shoot them in the
>head?
Over the years, numerous attempts were made to have the electric chair
declared unconstitutional on the grounds that it is a cruel and
unusual punishment. The courts in most states have now accepted that
this is the case.
It is interesting to read the various judgments from different states.
In Florida, the state tried to show that the electric chair was not a
cruel and unusual punishment by electrocuting a lettuce.
The lettuce was supposed to represent the head of a person. When the
state electrocuted the lettuce no damage was seen to be caused to the
lettuce.
On that occasion the court agreed with the state's evidence and said
that the electric chair was not a cruel and unusual punishment.
(The lettuce's relatives, a carrott and a turnip, have vowed to
continue the fight to clear the lettuce's name)
Graham
Dom Robinson
says...
> What struck me most about the film was the use of guns. A school teacher
> taking pistols from kids seemed to be as normal as confiscating conkers.
>
Robin Chapman
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 09:21:13 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>It's still quite chilling when the warden says, "You follow me lad. It'll
>>be right". Erm... exactly how will it be right?
>
> At least death by hanging was a fairly quick way to go provided the
> drop was correct. The Home Office developed an official "drop table"
> that could be used by a hangsman.
>
> Too short a drop and the person would strangle to death and too long a
> drop would result in decapitation.
>
> The drop table was based on weight and build. The table would then
> provide the calculated drop length.
>
According to hangman Syd Dernley
http://www.simon-jones.org.uk/articles/syd_dernley_interview_part1.htm
Ruth Ellis was given such a long drop, she was almost decapitated.
--
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"Lacan, Jacques, 79, 91-92; mistakes his penis for a square root, 88-9"
Francis Wheen, _How Mumbo-Jumbo Conquered the World_
David Boothroyd
>
> What struck me most about the film was the use of guns. A school teacher
> taking pistols from kids seemed to be as normal as confiscating conkers.
In the aftermath of the Second World War there were millions of guns in
circulation, either lost from the British Army or kept as souvenirs from
Axis forces. Christopher Craig's revolver was a Webley .455 service
revolver.
David Boothroyd
> On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:37:02 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
> da...@election.demon.co.uk (David Boothroyd) randomly hit the keyboard
> and produced:
>
> >Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
> >quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
>
> I think the best hanging scene is in 10 Rillington Place, where the
> wardrobe is pulled back by the warders to reveal the gallows, and the
> hanging is carried out swiftly and almost silently except for Timothy
> Evans' (David Hurt) breathing. I think the whole scene must have
> taken less than a minute.
There's also a very good version in the 1972 BBC play "To Encourage the
Others" based on David Yallop's book of the same name (directed by Alan
Clarke).
As shown in both, the prisoner was probably stunned to find out that the
entrance to the execution shed was actually behind their wardrobe all
the time. The executioner had to work very quietly when preparing things
the day before.
AlanWilliams
"Hugo Nebula" <ab...@local.host> wrote in message
news:dem790lu2ut27ouce...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:37:02 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
> da...@election.demon.co.uk (David Boothroyd) randomly hit the keyboard
> and produced:
>
> >Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
> >quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
>
> I think the best hanging scene is in 10 Rillington Place, where the
> wardrobe is pulled back by the warders to reveal the gallows, and the
> hanging is carried out swiftly and almost silently except for Timothy
> Evans' (David Hurt) breathing. I think the whole scene must have
> taken less than a minute.
_John_ Hurt surely? Unless you're trying subliminal messages :-)
> --
> Hugo Nebula
> "The fact that no-one on the internet wants a piece of this
> shows you just how far you've strayed from the pack".
Alan
Waldo Centini
> Over the years, numerous attempts were made to have the electric chair
> declared unconstitutional on the grounds that it is a cruel and
> unusual punishment. The courts in most states have now accepted that
> this is the case.
If you keep using the electric chair often & long enough it isn't unusual
anymore.
As for cruel: I thought the whole point of the death penalty was to be cruel,
and to hence act as a deterrent.
>>Same goes for the lethal injection. Why mess around with chemicals that
>>some say cause pain to the victim when they can just use a regular
>>anaesthetic and then kill them with any one of many known poisons.
And another element of the death penalty is the not entirely unnatural desire
for revenge. Something long pushed away in a society that has convinced
itself of the fact that revenge would be uncivilized.
--
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Gordon Davie
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:10:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Graham Wilson" <gra...@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1vh790hgtpfijbau2...@4ax.com...
>
>>> Drop correct - neck broken. Usually dead within 15 seconds.
>>
>> Does it really take 15 seconds? I always assumed it was instant. How
>> soon until they check the body?
>>
> I believe that out of respect and to make sure the person was dead the
> body was left for an hour.
>
>
>> I've always wondered what the point in the electric chair was. It
>> appears to be far too brutal and painful, why not just hang them or
>> shoot them in the head?
>
> Over the years, numerous attempts were made to have the electric chair
> declared unconstitutional on the grounds that it is a cruel and
> unusual punishment. The courts in most states have now accepted that
> this is the case.
>
> It is interesting to read the various judgments from different states.
> In Florida, the state tried to show that the electric chair was not a
> cruel and unusual punishment by electrocuting a lettuce.
>
> The lettuce was supposed to represent the head of a person. When the
> state electrocuted the lettuce no damage was seen to be caused to the
> lettuce.
Though it was a vegetable for the rest of its life.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland
"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God"
Martin Nike
> the executioner entered the cell.
It was usually Brandy, and only if the prison doctor deemed the condemned
needed it. No tranquilisers were used, as if commonly thought.
> Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
> quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
Yes, right down to the cupboard in the condemned cell being the door to the
execution chamber.
Martin Nike
Is an "interesting" site. There are some gruesome pictures elsewhere on his
site.
Martin Nike
> that the electric chair was not a cruel and unusual punishment.
Did you know the electric chair was created by Edison to prove that his
Direct Current was better than Alternating Current that a competitor was
using?
Neil Hopkins
>I've always wondered what the point in the electric chair was. It appears to
>be far too brutal and painful, why not just hang them or shoot them in the
>head?
Supposedly Thomas Eddison promoted the electric chair as a "humane"
alternative to the other methods of execution, and also to demonstrate
that Westinghouse's AC electrical system was potentially lethal
compared to the Eddison DC system.
>Same goes for the lethal injection. Why mess around with chemicals that some
>say cause pain to the victim when they can just use a regular anaesthetic
>and then kill them with any one of many known poisons.
That's pretty much what they do - the first chemical is an
anaesthetic, followed by other chemicals that cause the heart muscle
to stop. The hypocratic oath forbids doctors to take part in
executions so the drugs are administered by non medically trained
prison guards leading to botched executions.
--
"I dunno what the hell's in there, but it's weird and pissed off whatever it is."
Xbox live : neil hopkins
matt
"Neil Hopkins" <neil_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40942c92....@news.individual.net...
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:10:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I've always wondered what the point in the electric chair was. It appears
to
> >be far too brutal and painful, why not just hang them or shoot them in
the
> >head?
>
> Supposedly Thomas Eddison promoted the electric chair as a "humane"
> alternative to the other methods of execution, and also to demonstrate
> that Westinghouse's AC electrical system was potentially lethal
> compared to the Eddison DC system.
>
> >Same goes for the lethal injection. Why mess around with chemicals that
some
> >say cause pain to the victim when they can just use a regular anaesthetic
> >and then kill them with any one of many known poisons.
>
> That's pretty much what they do - the first chemical is an
> anaesthetic, followed by other chemicals that cause the heart muscle
> to stop. The hypocratic oath forbids doctors to take part in
> executions so the drugs are administered by non medically trained
> prison guards leading to botched executions.
>
Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You would
have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the condemned
man to actually reach his execution date.
Dom Robinson
nik...@nildram.REMOVETHIS.co.uk says...
> > Incidentally the film is quite accurate in showing the execution as a
> > quick process but it was actually even quicker than that.
>
> Yes, right down to the cupboard in the condemned cell being the door to the
> execution chamber.
>
somewhere, thus really shitting them up in their last minute?
Graham Wilson
<waldoREMOVE...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>Graham Wilson surprised us with
>
>> Over the years, numerous attempts were made to have the electric chair
>> declared unconstitutional on the grounds that it is a cruel and
>> unusual punishment. The courts in most states have now accepted that
>> this is the case.
>
>If you keep using the electric chair often & long enough it isn't unusual
>anymore.
It depends how you define unusual. Read the various state decisions.
They are very interesting.
>
>As for cruel: I thought the whole point of the death penalty was to be cruel,
>and to hence act as a deterrent.
>
I am not aware of any state pleading this as an argument. If a state
were to do so it would be strong evidence that the implementation of
the death penalty was a breach of the constitution.
Graham
Graham Wilson
The idea for the electric chair came about after the introduction of
the electric tram system.
Someone fell out of a window and landed on the electricity cables used
to carry power to tram carriages. Observers said that the individual
in question died "instantly".
The first person to die in the electric chair was not so fortunate.
They were cooked to death and eventually burst into flames.
Graham
Graham Wilson
Hopkins) wrote:
>That's pretty much what they do - the first chemical is an
>anaesthetic, followed by other chemicals that cause the heart muscle
>to stop. The hypocratic oath forbids doctors to take part in
>executions so the drugs are administered by non medically trained
>prison guards leading to botched executions.
It is odd. A medically qualified doctor is allowed to attend the
execution to confirm the death, but they cannot intervene to make sure
that the accused is executed in the most humane way possible.
Graham
Graham Wilson
Boothroyd) wrote:
>As shown in both, the prisoner was probably stunned to find out that the
>entrance to the execution shed was actually behind their wardrobe all
>the time. The executioner had to work very quietly when preparing things
>the day before.
Cocanut matting would be laid in the hallway so that the prison staff
could walk past the condemned cell and into the execution chamber
without making any noise.
The executioner would also stretch the rope in a test drop using a bag
of sand. Having stretched the rope the executioner would check the
length of the drop and adjust the rope accordingly.
Graham
Graham Wilson
<murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Were they ever told that or were they led to believe it was down a corridor
>somewhere, thus really shitting them up in their last minute?
Prison officers would volunteer to work on "death row".
It was in the interests of prison officers - and the condemned - to
keep the method of execution a secret and therefore a surprise to the
condemned.
Graham
Von Gibbling
"Dom Robinson" <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1afdc8ddc...@news.individual.net...
> In article <1db790lba7vhq7kdc...@4ax.com>,
gra...@dircon.co.uk
> says...
> > <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >It's still quite chilling when the warden says, "You follow me lad.
It'll be
> > >right". Erm... exactly how will it be right?
> >
> > At least death by hanging was a fairly quick way to go provided the
> > drop was correct. The Home Office developed an official "drop table"
> > that could be used by a hangsman.
> >
> > Too short a drop and the person would strangle to death and too long a
> > drop would result in decapitation.
> >
> > The drop table was based on weight and build. The table would then
> > provide the calculated drop length.
>
they'll
> either strangle or break their neck anyway, either of which is surely the
> point?
Well not really.
It's the difference between instant death by severation of the spinal chord
and a 4 minute death by strangulation.
>
> > Botched executions in America are common.
> >
> > Read this particular page from the bottom upwards:
> >
> > http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=478
>
> Nite site :)
>
> > In 2000 an American judge described the botched executions of three
> > prisoners in the electric chair as "barbaric spectacles" and "acts
> > more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state." Justice
> > Shaw was so disgusted that he ordered photographs taken after one
> > execution be released to the public.
> >
> > The photographs are not very nice:
> >
> > http://www.oranous.com/florida/allenleedavis.html
>
> Wonder if they're on ogrish.com :)
Von Gibbling
"Waldo Centini" <waldoREMOVE...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
news:Xns94DCEEA...@130.133.1.4...
> Graham Wilson surprised us with
>
> > Over the years, numerous attempts were made to have the electric chair
> > declared unconstitutional on the grounds that it is a cruel and
> > unusual punishment. The courts in most states have now accepted that
> > this is the case.
>
> If you keep using the electric chair often & long enough it isn't unusual
> anymore.
>
> As for cruel: I thought the whole point of the death penalty was to be
cruel,
> and to hence act as a deterrent.
>
> >>Same goes for the lethal injection. Why mess around with chemicals that
> >>some say cause pain to the victim when they can just use a regular
> >>anaesthetic and then kill them with any one of many known poisons.
>
> And another element of the death penalty is the not entirely unnatural
desire
> for revenge. Something long pushed away in a society that has convinced
> itself of the fact that revenge would be uncivilized.
I don't think so.
It's the means by which it's exacted that's uncivilized.
Thanatos
<gra...@dircon.co.uk> decided to inform us that...
It all sounds like a macabre version of "Beadle's About". Who's that
prison officer with the fake-looking beard and the withered hand? :-)
Graham Wilson
<murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Not sure I get that. Surely as long as their feet don't hit the floor they'll
>either strangle or break their neck anyway, either of which is surely the
>point?
This page will probably answer your questions:
http://www.geocities.com/trctl11/hanging.html
Graham
Neil Hopkins
>Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You would
>have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
>properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the condemned
>man to actually reach his execution date.
Erm, who are they going to practice on? ;-)
Graham Wilson
Hopkins) wrote:
>On Sun, 2 May 2004 00:55:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You would
>>have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
>>properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the condemned
>>man to actually reach his execution date.
>
>Erm, who are they going to practice on? ;-)
Is that an offer?
(:-)
Graham
matt
> On Sun, 2 May 2004 00:55:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You
would
> >have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
> >properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the
condemned
> >man to actually reach his execution date.
>
> Erm, who are they going to practice on? ;-)
>
I said training. Reading through the botched executions it appears that they
often don't know how to even place the tube in the guys arm. A person can
recieve training on giving injections without having to execute someone.
Dom Robinson
says...
Dom Robinson
Than...@blueREMOVEyonder.co.uk says...
> On Sun, 02 May 2004 03:43:00 +0100, Graham Wilson
> <gra...@dircon.co.uk> decided to inform us that...
>
> >On Sun, 2 May 2004 03:01:33 +0100, Dom Robinson
> ><murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Were they ever told that or were they led to believe it was down a corridor
> >>somewhere, thus really shitting them up in their last minute?
> >
> >Prison officers would volunteer to work on "death row".
> >
> >It was in the interests of prison officers - and the condemned - to
> >keep the method of execution a secret and therefore a surprise to the
> >condemned.
I guess they weren't able to tell anyone about it for next time. Horrible
shock though, but then not as bad as what's to come.
If I was in that situation, I think I'd rather die in a hail for bullets. At
least I'd go out with a bit of showing off :)
(waiting for someone to say "It can be arranged")
> It all sounds like a macabre version of "Beadle's About". Who's that
> prison officer with the fake-looking beard and the withered hand? :-)
I prefer Paul Merton's suggestion from his 1992 C4 series in which he said
they should have a programme "where Jeremy Beadle is cut into bits and hidden
around various places in the country. It'll be called 'Beadle's About'".
Dom Robinson
says...
> On Sun, 2 May 2004 00:55:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You would
> >have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
> >properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the condemned
> >man to actually reach his execution date.
>
> Erm, who are they going to practice on? ;-)
>
Graham Wilson
<murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <40950849....@news.individual.net>, neil_h...@hotmail.com
>says...
>> On Sun, 2 May 2004 00:55:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You would
>> >have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
>> >properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the condemned
>> >man to actually reach his execution date.
>>
>> Erm, who are they going to practice on? ;-)
>>
>Chavs.
How do you execute something that is already brain dead?
Answers on a post card.....
Graham
Graham Wilson
<murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I guess they weren't able to tell anyone about it for next time. Horrible
>shock though, but then not as bad as what's to come.
There was a documentary on the subject a couple of years ago. They
interviewed prison officers who used to work on UK death row.
Some guards suffered a nervous breakdown. Other guards topped
themselves, because they could not live with the memory.
Not surprising.
Graham
Dom Robinson
> On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:47:28 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <murphyi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <40950849....@news.individual.net>, neil_h...@hotmail.com
> >says...
> >> On Sun, 2 May 2004 00:55:19 +0100, "matt" <nos...@fake.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yeah, this thread lead me to do some research and I learnt that. You would
> >> >have thought that the people carrying out the lethal injection would be
> >> >properly trained, especially considering how long it takes for the condemned
> >> >man to actually reach his execution date.
> >>
> >> Erm, who are they going to practice on? ;-)
> >>
> >Chavs.
>
> How do you execute something that is already brain dead?
>
> Answers on a post card.....
>
Hugo Nebula
"AlanWilliams" <ala...@monemvasia.freeserve.co.uk> randomly hit the
keyboard and produced:
>_John_ Hurt surely? Unless you're trying subliminal messages :-)
Sorry, yes. John Hurt.
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Graham Wilson <gra...@dircon.co.uk> randomly hit the keyboard and
produced:
>It is interesting to read the various judgments from different states.
>In Florida, the state tried to show that the electric chair was not a
>cruel and unusual punishment by electrocuting a lettuce.
>
>The lettuce was supposed to represent the head of a person. When the
>state electrocuted the lettuce no damage was seen to be caused to the
>lettuce.
This from a state which still lynches broccoli!
--
Hugo Nebula
"The fact that no-one on the internet wants a piece of this
shows you just how far you've strayed from the pack".
Graham Wilson
wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 18:43:31 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
>Graham Wilson <gra...@dircon.co.uk> randomly hit the keyboard and
>produced:
>
>>It is interesting to read the various judgments from different states.
>>In Florida, the state tried to show that the electric chair was not a
>>cruel and unusual punishment by electrocuting a lettuce.
>>
>>The lettuce was supposed to represent the head of a person. When the
>>state electrocuted the lettuce no damage was seen to be caused to the
>>lettuce.
>
>This from a state which still lynches broccoli!
Well, some of the James Bond films were awful.
(:-)
Graham
k99....@gmail.com
dave3...@gmail.com
I recall at an autopsy of the condemned it was noted the odor of brandy in the stomach contents.