"Sir Mark Thatcher inherited his title from his father!

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!

Who knew?!

So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
baroness!

--
(_(_)_)
DGP
http://z2.ifrm.com/10701/5/0/p1049597/DGP.mp3

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...

> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>
> Who knew?!
>
> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
> baroness!

The Queen looks more cheerful than usual, lol!

--
DGP

[mick]

"Dry Gulch Pete" wrote in message news:kklr3j$lia$1...@dont-email.me...

Is she being cremated? I think it would be safer.

mick

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"mick" <cough...@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:gOubt.1958$Hx7....@fx11.fr7...

LOL - Burke & Hare!

--
DGP

[Max Demian]

"Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...

> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>
> Who knew?!
>
> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
> baroness!

You've got it hopelessly wrong.

Dennis was made a baronet, which is like a knighthood but hereditary, which
Mark inherited when his father died.

Nothing to do with Maggie's title, which, I think was a life peerage, in
which case it would die with her.

--
Max Demian

[Peter Johnson]

This from Wikipedia, which I think is correct:
In December 1990, the month after Margaret Thatcher's resignation as
prime minister, it was announced that Denis Thatcher would be created
a baronet[14] (the first such creation since 1964). The award was
gazetted in February 1991, giving his title as Sir Denis Thatcher, 1st
Baronet, of Scotney in the County of Kent.[15] Thus his wife was
entitled to be called Lady Thatcher whilst retaining her seat in the
House of Commons. The baronetcy was a hereditary title that was to be
inherited by their son Mark after Denis's death. It was the last
British hereditary honour to be granted to anyone outside the royal
family. However, Sir Denis Thatcher's wife was created a life peeress
as Baroness Thatcher in her own right in 1992 after her retirement
from the House of Commons. He and his wife were one of the few married
couples who both held titles in their own right.

Notice that his name was spelled Denis, not Dennis.

[NY]

"Peter Johnson" <pe...@nospam.narrowgauge.co.uk> wrote in message
news:t63tm8dphbvuco1mm...@4ax.com...

I hadn't realised that Denis was a baron in his own right and therefore
could pass on a title to his son. Given the changed rules about royal
succession and the Sex Discrimination Act, I wonder whether a time will come
when a daughter, if she is the eldest, could inherit a title in the same way
that a son can.

[Halmyre]

On Apr 17, 12:20 pm, "Max Demian" <max_dem...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> "Dry Gulch Pete" <pacif...@btopenworld.com> wrote in messagenews:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> > "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>
> > Who knew?!
>
> > So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
> > baroness!
>
> You've got it hopelessly wrong.
>
> Dennis was made a baronet, which is like a knighthood but hereditary, which
> Mark inherited when his father died.
>
> Nothing to do with Maggie's title, which, I think was a life peerage, in
> which case it would die with her.
>

It has been said that Thatcher bestowed the title on Denis purely for
Mark's (future) benefit. Quite why she thought the weasely, conniving
little shit deserved it is open to discussion.

--
Halmyre

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"Max Demian" <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:at7ers...@mid.individual.net...

OIC so Lady Thatcher became a baroness on account of Denis!
I thought they'd done away wlth all that hereditary stuff.
Must check if Sir Mark's ex-SAS pal is still incarcerated in that African
country after Sir Mark and he tried to usurp the Head of State there!

Thanks.

--
DGP

[Mike Headon]

I remember when the award of the baronetcy was announced. "Any
Questions" that week was infested by idiots complaining that "Mark
Thatcher would be in the Lords and voting on legislation". Whichever
Dimblebore was in charge did not bother to inform them that a baronet
does not (did not, rather) sit in the Lords.

--
Mike Headon

e-mail: mike dot headon at enn tee ell world dot com

[JNugent]

On 17/04/2013 21:15, Dry Gulch Pete wrote:

> "Max Demian" <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:at7ers...@mid.individual.net...
>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>>>
>>> Who knew?!
>>>
>>> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>>> baroness!
>>
>> You've got it hopelessly wrong.
>>
>> Dennis was made a baronet, which is like a knighthood but hereditary,
>> which Mark inherited when his father died.
>>
>> Nothing to do with Maggie's title, which, I think was a life peerage, in
>> which case it would die with her.
>
> OIC so Lady Thatcher became a baroness on account of Denis!
> I thought they'd done away wlth all that hereditary stuff.

The constitutional convention is that retiring Prime Ministers are
offered a hereditary peerage.

Clement Attlee (Lord Attlee as he became) bequeathed his hereditary
earldom to his son. I can't remember whether Wilson took a hereditary
peerage, but Callaghan did not.

[The Other Mike]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:48:14 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com>
wrote:

>"...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>
>Who knew?!
>
>So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>baroness!

Giving her the title of countess would be more appropriate


--

[Brian Watson]

"Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

news:kklr3j$lia$1...@dont-email.me...

So THAT's why she wanted to see the old hag off!

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

[Brian Watson]

"mick" <cough...@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:gOubt.1958$Hx7....@fx11.fr7...
>
>

And have the secondary benefit of being able to have a barbecue afterwards.

[Brian Watson]

"Peter Johnson" <pe...@nospam.narrowgauge.co.uk> wrote in message
news:t63tm8dphbvuco1mm...@4ax.com...

> This from Wikipedia, which I think is correct:
> In December 1990, the month after Margaret Thatcher's resignation as
> prime minister, it was announced that Denis Thatcher would be created
> a baronet[14] (the first such creation since 1964). The award was
> gazetted in February 1991, giving his title as Sir Denis Thatcher, 1st
> Baronet, of Scotney in the County of Kent.[15] Thus his wife was
> entitled to be called Lady Thatcher whilst retaining her seat in the
> House of Commons. The baronetcy was a hereditary title that was to be
> inherited by their son Mark after Denis's death. It was the last
> British hereditary honour to be granted to anyone outside the royal
> family. However, Sir Denis Thatcher's wife was created a life peeress
> as Baroness Thatcher in her own right in 1992 after her retirement
> from the House of Commons. He and his wife were one of the few married
> couples who both held titles in their own right.

In other words, it was a swindle, with the rules being manipulated to suit
the Conservative Party's wishes.

Who'd ever think THAT could happen?

[Col]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:tm7tm8572cpv9dai7...@4ax.com...

> Mummy's boy who can do no wrong?

Helping to finance an attempted coup in an African nation?
Could happen to anyone.
--
Col

The gulls have plucked out my eyes!

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"Mike Headon" <po...@YCKMHWA.com> wrote in message
news:at8gqu...@mid.individual.net...

Steve Forrest didn't, Roger Moore did - by Jove you're right! :)

--
DGP

[Dry Gulch Pete]

"JNugent" <jenni...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:at8mms...@mid.individual.net...

Tony couldn't wait to leave New Labour - he only gave one week's notice, but
he's back now trying to usurp that nice Ed!
I wonder if He (He may be the Messiah, lol) and the Iron Chancellor who "put
and end to boom and bust" will accept?
As 'Hero of Baghdad' Tony is also overdue for his Congressional Medal of
Honor!

--
DGP

[GordonD]

"Brian Watson" <Br...@imagebus.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zo2dndBk4Ycr4vLM...@bt.com...

>
> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:kklr3j$lia$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>>>
>>> Who knew?!
>>>
>>> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>>> baroness!
>>
>> The Queen looks more cheerful than usual, lol!
>
> So THAT's why she wanted to see the old hag off!

On the BBC website yesterday it emerged that Thatcher believed the Queen was
"too left wing"!
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

[Robin Chapman]

On 17/04/2013 12:59, NY wrote:
> "Peter Johnson" <pe...@nospam.narrowgauge.co.uk> wrote in message
>

> I hadn't realised that Denis was a baron

No, he wasn't. He was made a baronet (not the same).
That entitled him to be called "Sir Denis" and pass
on his title down the male line. That's why we
have "Sir Mark" Thatcher. Unlike being knighted, being
a baronet does not show the bearer to have achieved any
(real or perceived) personal distinction.

[Mike Headon]

On 18/04/2013 00:57, Gordon Freeman wrote:

> Cruella De Ville would be even more appropriate.
>
If you read Jane Austen you will see that 200 years ago, baronets were
just as vain and odious as they are today.

[JNugent]

On 18/04/2013 15:04, Mike Headon wrote:

> On 18/04/2013 00:57, Gordon Freeman wrote:
>> The Other Mike <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:48:14 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
>> <paci...@btopenworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>>>>
>>>> Who knew?!
>>>>
>>>> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>>>> baroness!
>>>
>>> Giving her the title of countess would be more appropriate
>>
>> Cruella De Ville would be even more appropriate.
>>
> If you read Jane Austen you will see that 200 years ago, baronets were
> just as vain and odious as they are today.

Was Jane Austen a contemporary chronicler, then?

I'd understood her to be a writer of fiction.

[Col]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

news:sqdvm81la521vj41o...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:48:23 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>Helping to finance an attempted coup in an African nation?
>>Could happen to anyone.
>

> ... with no morals looking for a bad investment.

He is a repulsive creature.
If you look at his Wiki page you will see his business 'career'
is one long sorry tale of sharp practices, dodgy dealing and
downright criminality.
No apparent morals whatsoever.

I blame the parents.

[Col]

"GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:at9qjf...@mid.individual.net...

> "Brian Watson" <Br...@imagebus.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:zo2dndBk4Ycr4vLM...@bt.com...
>>
>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:kklr3j$lia$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>>>>
>>>> Who knew?!
>>>>
>>>> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>>>> baroness!
>>>
>>> The Queen looks more cheerful than usual, lol!
>>
>> So THAT's why she wanted to see the old hag off!
>
>
> On the BBC website yesterday it emerged that Thatcher believed the Queen
> was "too left wing"!

The Queen and the rest of the human race.
With the possible exception of Mark Thatcher.

[Col]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

news:8nq0n85sedfdrnl2l...@4ax.com...

> His twin sister isn't like that is she? I blame the school he went to
> and the company he keeps.

Apart from the unfortunate Golliwog incident, I've always had a lot
of time for Carol Thatcher. She seems a sensible & level-headed
person.

[mick]

"Col" wrote in message news:C8SdndfW7ZK3Te3M...@bt.com...

Although the Gollywog incident suggested she was neither of those things:-)

mick

[mick]

"Martin" wrote in message news:7uq1n819gokq8fjou...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:03:37 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>

wrote:

>
>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>news:8nq0n85sedfdrnl2l...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:11:37 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:sqdvm81la521vj41o...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:48:23 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>>>Helping to finance an attempted coup in an African nation?
>>>>>Could happen to anyone.
>>>>
>>>> ... with no morals looking for a bad investment.
>>>
>>>He is a repulsive creature.
>>>If you look at his Wiki page you will see his business 'career'
>>>is one long sorry tale of sharp practices, dodgy dealing and
>>>downright criminality.
>>>No apparent morals whatsoever.
>>>
>>>I blame the parents.
>>
>> His twin sister isn't like that is she? I blame the school he went to
>> and the company he keeps.
>
>Apart from the unfortunate Golliwog incident, I've always had a lot
>of time for Carol Thatcher.

>Saying golliwog in her and my generation was normal. It is what the
>things were called. It wasn't used as a racial insult. I thought
>stopping her appearing on BBC TV as a result of her saying it was
>ridiculous. I always had a lot of time for her too.

I had a gollywog which a friend of my mother made for me when I was a baby,
it lasted for years. Also, when I was in the infants we used to all sit around
the
record player listening to childrens stories on LPs. One of them was Little
Black Sambo.
As you say different attitudes. Having said that we've managed to adapt to what
is now the accepted attitudes of today. I don't go around called people little
black
sambo or gollywog so if someone who was educated by the council can manage it
I don't se why that dozy bint can't (can I say bint?) It's a strange country
that uses
a good education with an excuse for being ignorant:-)

mick

mick

[mick]

"Martin" wrote in message news:9132n8l7iehi7joj5...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:12:30 +0100, "mick" <cough...@privacy.com>
wrote:

>The incident said more about the BBC and political correctness than
>about CT.

If they hadn't done anything people would have equally suggested they must have
condoned it. Look at all the paedo stuff since Saville. They can't really win.

mick

[Max Demian]

"mick" <cough...@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:G08ct.8731$Tr3....@fx13.fr7...

> "Martin" wrote in message
> news:7uq1n819gokq8fjou...@4ax.com...

>>Apart from the unfortunate Golliwog incident, I've always had a lot
>>of time for Carol Thatcher.
>
>>Saying golliwog in her and my generation was normal. It is what the
>>things were called. It wasn't used as a racial insult. I thought
>>stopping her appearing on BBC TV as a result of her saying it was
>>ridiculous. I always had a lot of time for her too.
>
> I had a gollywog which a friend of my mother made for me when I was a
> baby,
> it lasted for years. Also, when I was in the infants we used to all sit
> around the
> record player listening to childrens stories on LPs. One of them was
> Little Black Sambo.
> As you say different attitudes. Having said that we've managed to adapt to
> what
> is now the accepted attitudes of today. I don't go around called people
> little black
> sambo or gollywog so if someone who was educated by the council can manage
> it
> I don't se why that dozy bint can't (can I say bint?) It's a strange
> country that uses
> a good education with an excuse for being ignorant:-)

Do you really want to change your language every time fashions change?

What when they change again (or even reverse)?

You'll be like a desperate dad trying to keep up with 'yoof' culture and the
latest trends in music and dance.

All you can do is look ridiculous.

--
Max Demian

[mick]

"Max Demian" wrote in message news:atci44...@mid.individual.net...

You genuinely not see the difference between the two? Or are you just trying to
be provocative:-)

mick

[mick]

"Martin" wrote in message news:el62n854kosq8pe06...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:29:48 +0100, "mick" <cough...@privacy.com>
wrote:

>They didn't need to ban her forever.

I didn't know they had. Having said that she would have only been there because
of
her mother so it's not as if we lost someone who'd rose up through the ranks
through
hard work and talent. Funny how families who profess to value those qualities
never
consider applying it to themselves. Just look at her brother, never done a
proper days work
in his life and managed to become a multi millionaire, yet there are millions
who do shitty
but essential jobs for shitty money and we look down on them with contempt.
Lefties, all
of em:-)

Ophelia: "Burn them!!!!!!"

mick

[mick]

"Martin" wrote in message news:on62n8pkuf5ongi96...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:21:35 +0100, "mick" <cough...@privacy.com>
wrote:

>In the 1970s there was still a fast food chain called Sambo's in
>California. http://www.sambosrestaurant.com/

>http://boingboing.net/2010/03/23/vintage-sambos-resta.html
>"Little Black Sambo’s, AFAIK, started in Santa Barbara, and the last

>one (it was called Sambo’s by then) is on Cabrillo Ave. right by the
>beach. It was a gorgeous joint even in it’s decline (the food was
>.kinda meh) and we used to go to it just to enjoy the decor."

>Claire Francis sailed the Atlantic single handed in a boat called
>Robertson's Golly complete with Golly logo, which may or may not be
>still on the bows.
>http://www.gollycorner.co.uk/d_06_yacht.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgePEO7GUtE

I wonder how many gasps of outrage there were in the cinema when they were
watching this. I suspect not a one:-) They loved that nigger (oh, context is
everything;-)).

mick

[Max Demian]

"mick" <cough...@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:Ou8ct.10597$5w6....@fx05.fr7...

Any fashion is regarded as essential when it is fashionable; ridiculous when
out of fashion.

In the case of names for people with dark skin, terms such as negro, black,
coloured are interchangeable and none has been regarded as insulting. Sambo
may have been used in a derogatory way about negros but the Little Black
Sambo stories were about an Indian boy - apparently the author didn't know
it meant negro in America.

If you want to be hyper-sensitive, I suppose a gollywog is supposed to be a
representation of a 'nigger minstrel' which is a bit of a stereotype, but so
what? What's the matter with stereotypes? (When I had a gollywog as a child
I didn't realise it was supposed to represent a negro - I just thought it
was an imaginary creature like Teletubbies today.)

--
Max Demian

[Luke Curtis]

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:13:44 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

and the 13.7 million people who voted for her in 1987, a greater
number than ever voted for War Criminal Blair.

-
XBox 360 GT: Broton69

--
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned!
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
(Blakes 7, City on the Edge of the World - Vila in typical panic mode)

[Col]

"mick" <cough...@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:aU7ct.9907$pP5...@fx24.fr7...

One unfortunate incident?
Show me somebody who says they have never in their life said something
insensitve, crass or even insulting and I'll show you a liar.

[Col]

"Luke Curtis" <tlo...@NOSPAMgooglemail.com> wrote in message
news:okr2n85f00k15v3m8...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:13:44 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>news:at9qjf...@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Brian Watson" <Br...@imagebus.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:zo2dndBk4Ycr4vLM...@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:kklr3j$lia$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who knew?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>>>>>> baroness!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Queen looks more cheerful than usual, lol!
>>>>
>>>> So THAT's why she wanted to see the old hag off!
>>>
>>>
>>> On the BBC website yesterday it emerged that Thatcher believed the Queen
>>> was "too left wing"!
>>
>>The Queen and the rest of the human race.
>>With the possible exception of Mark Thatcher.
>
> and the 13.7 million people who voted for her in 1987, a greater
> number than ever voted for War Criminal Blair.

Eh?
So everybody who voted for Thatcher in 1987 was *more* right-wing than her??
Is that really what you intended to say?

[mick]

"Col" wrote in message news:EYudnXSyNYVJ6OzM...@bt.com...

One that we know about. But I agree with your general point. What I've never
done though is say it in front of a room full of (even if it's a caricature)
lefty
liberal hand wringers:-) Can she really be that dim?

mick

[Col]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

news:7uq1n819gokq8fjou...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:03:37 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
>>

>>Apart from the unfortunate Golliwog incident, I've always had a lot
>>of time for Carol Thatcher.
>

> Saying golliwog in her and my generation was normal. It is what the
> things were called. It wasn't used as a racial insult. I thought
> stopping her appearing on BBC TV as a result of her saying it was

> ridiculous. I always had a lot of time for her too.

It may well have been common parlance in your day, but it's
not *now*, that's the point. it's innapprorpriate at best, insulting
at worst. But that doesn't mean she's a racist, rather she just let
slip a word that was once acceptable but today is not.

I recall my Great Aunt at the age of 95 or so referring to the
colour 'nigger brown', making both myself and my Dad wince.
But that doesn't mean she was racist, just using a term common
when she was young and so perfectually natural for her to use.

[Col]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

news:dqv2n8t770eh49q0f...@4ax.com...
>
> Of course Mrs T was never responsible for killing people in a war was
> she?

And as for that Churchill, what a bastard, all those Germans he killed!

[GordonD]

"Luke Curtis" <tlo...@NOSPAMgooglemail.com> wrote in message
news:okr2n85f00k15v3m8...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:13:44 +0100, "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>news:at9qjf...@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Brian Watson" <Br...@imagebus.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:zo2dndBk4Ycr4vLM...@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:kklr3j$lia$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> "Dry Gulch Pete" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:kklqvo$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> "...from his father's baronetcy", explained David Dimbleby!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who knew?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So Dennis was a baron with a baronetcy on account of Maggie being a
>>>>>> baroness!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Queen looks more cheerful than usual, lol!
>>>>
>>>> So THAT's why she wanted to see the old hag off!
>>>
>>>
>>> On the BBC website yesterday it emerged that Thatcher believed the Queen
>>> was "too left wing"!
>>
>>The Queen and the rest of the human race.
>>With the possible exception of Mark Thatcher.
>
> and the 13.7 million people who voted for her in 1987,

Er, no, only 21,603 people voted for her in 1987.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

[Calum]

On 19/04/2013 12:21, Max Demian wrote:

> In the case of names for people with dark skin, terms such as negro, black,
> coloured are interchangeable and none has been regarded as insulting.

Not so. 'Black' and 'coloured' had different meanings in South Africa in
the apartheid days, for example, and whether you were classified as one
or the other (and yes, they had people whose job that was) could make
quite the difference to your life. Consequently, you still have to use
those terms rather carefully in that part of the world today.

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[JNugent]

In Great Britain, at the time referred to previously, the word was
"coloured" (and that was the polite media version - the common folk used
different terminology).

It was "coloured people" themselves who demanded the change to "black"
(both here and in the USA), on the basis (as I recall it) that
"coloured" was demeaning in some way and that "black" was more assertive.

In normal British English usage, (and AIUI, in normal American usage),
"black" and "coloured" meant the same thing, although as you say, in SA,
the situation was different.

[Dry Gulch Pete]

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LOL - PM Maggie's meetings with HM were said to be businesslike, but there
was no warmth!
The Queen normally utilises her minions to deal with tradespeople! :D

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