>Following a discussion in work today about fantasic cartoons of yesteryear,
>can anyone shed any light on the suggestion that Captain Pugwash was banned
>from the BBC because of the innuendo in the crews names. Master Bates,
>Seaman Staines etc?
>Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
Well, I heard Mark Radcliffe on his show the other night saying that
apparently all this obscenity rubbish is made up (Roger the Cabin Boy,
etc). But I wouldn't trust those louts as far as I could throw them.
Regards,
Billy Bollockchops
Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
Thanks...
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The whole thing is an urban legend (see alt.folklore.urban faq perhaps?)
It's even been printed in the national press (Gaurdian I recall), but
it's all made up!
Gavin
ps: it was Tom the cabin boy anyway...
Ohhhh NOOOOOO! Not this one again.
This topic crops up again and again and again, so forgive the yawns
here.
To answer your question seriously - No, there were no obscene
names, it is just an urban myth. For example, Master Bates was in
fact Master Mate (perfectly innocent I am sure you would agree).
The trouble with innuendo in that it can make the telephone
directory seem smutty :-)
Simon
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Urban Myth...Captain Pugwash NEVER had those names in it....a spoof
version by an Australian company some years later DID use those names...
the prog WASNT Captain Pugwash tho...;)
Mike.
>can anyone shed any light on the suggestion that Captain Pugwash was banned
>from the BBC because of the innuendo in the crews names. Master Bates,
>Seaman Staines etc?
>Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
Try:
Roger The Cabin Boy
Ben Doon and Phil McCavity
Dafydd The Gullible
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: Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
Nah, all this is Myth.
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>This topic crops up again and again and again, so forgive the yawns
>here.
Does anyone remember The Adventure Game?...
Ian Collier - i...@comlab.ox.ac.uk - WWW Home Page:
http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/index.html
is that the one with a guy with a pink cloud, a Budist monk
and some one called Pigsy...?
Gavin
Didn't Ian Collier do a FAQ on this a couple of years back. I remember
someone posting the sound file of Pugwash saying "I certainly do, Master
Bate".
But that was a one-off. The other names were made up by Victor
Lewis-Smith, and the Guardian got sued by the BBC for printing them as fact.
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No, that was Monkey!
The Adventure was a great series (originally) where three celebrities
would solve puzzles in order to complete their way through to the end to
leave. This transformed over its series into something that attempted to
be an ongoing plot (and Leslie Judd spent a series being a defector
IIRC).
The most memorable icons from this series were the drogma (whose
currency I worked out before they explained it!), "Uncle" (the
aspedystra) and the Vortex at the end.
Nope...
The sample may have been posted by Ian G Batten.
To quote the AFU FAQ:
F.*The UK cartoon series "Cpt. Pugwash" had character names w/double
entendres.
T. _The Guardian_ wrote this up in September 1991. They were
successfuly
sued and issued an apology/retraction in November 1991.
T. Ian Palmer posted a .wav file he says is from an episode called "Fair
Exchange" supposedly available on a BBC Video called "Captain
Pugwash,
Seafairing Tales" where the Cpt. is supposed to have said "I
certainly
did Master Bate." Interestingly, this differs from the traditional
UL
where the name is often referred to as "Master Bates."
T. Many people claim to have seen and heard these too. What a
coincidence!
where
T = 100% scientific truth
and
F = 100% falsehood
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>Gavin Walker wrote:
>> The whole thing is an urban legend (see alt.folklore.urban faq perhaps?)
>> It's even been printed in the national press (Gaurdian I recall), but
>> it's all made up!
>
>To quote the AFU FAQ:
>
>F.*The UK cartoon series "Cpt. Pugwash" had character names w/double
>entendres.
>T. _The Guardian_ wrote this up in September 1991. They were
>successfuly
> sued and issued an apology/retraction in November 1991.
_The Sunday Correspondent_ apparently also printed this story c.1990
(mentioning Master Bates and Seaman Stains). Geoff Tibballs' book _The
Golden Age of Children's Televsion_ re-printed this story, and the
publishers were forced to stick a great big disclaimer over the
offending page, apologising to John Ryan, the creator of the programme.
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> T. Ian Palmer posted a .wav file he says is from an episode called "Fair
> Exchange" supposedly available on a BBC Video called "Captain
> Pugwash,
> Seafairing Tales" where the Cpt. is supposed to have said "I
> certainly
> did Master Bate." Interestingly, this differs from the traditional
> UL
> where the name is often referred to as "Master Bates."
> where
> T = 100% scientific truth
> and
> F = 100% falsehood
Master Mate says 'You got a fair exchange there Captain' and Pugwash
replies 'I certainly did Master Mate' - Pugwash's nasal tones do make
the 'M' sound a bit like a 'B', especially as it is said fairly quickly.
I have just watched the episode so this is not from distant memory.
Your notes, Chris, are quite correct.
Phil
>> Following a discussion in work today about fantasic cartoons of yesteryear,
>> can anyone shed any light on the suggestion that Captain Pugwash was banned
>> from the BBC because of the innuendo in the crews names. Master Bates,
>> Seaman Staines etc?
>>
>> Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
>>
Thanks for your replies. Sorry for being dull and gullible!
And yes I do remember The Adventure Game with Uncle the Cheeseplant who
liked ballads but not ballads, the celebrity travellers and the
Vortex that ate sandwiches.....!!
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~ The Adventure was a great series (originally) where three celebrities
~ would solve puzzles in order to complete their way through to the end to
~ leave. This transformed over its series into something that attempted to
~ be an ongoing plot (and Leslie Judd spent a series being a defector
~ IIRC).
~
~ The most memorable icons from this series were the drogma (whose
~ currency I worked out before they explained it!), "Uncle" (the
~ aspedystra) and the Vortex at the end.
That was the programmes 'late' period, when it was in the childrens'
weekday afternoon slot.
The Golden Age of TAG was when it first started, & was on on Saturday
mornings. One of the games was 'Adventure' on the Apple ][ !
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>The sample may have been posted by Ian G Batten.
Third time lucky... it was Ian Palmer who posted the sample. There seem
to be too many Ians around at the moment...
(I am suddenly reminded of the "Ian News" bits at the end of Fist of Fun...)
>No, that was Monkey!
>The Adventure was [snip to avoid boring everyone again...]
Can't you tell a J O K E when you see one?...
Hmm...
Well I've got the vidoe too, and I did wonder which it was....
So I listened to it loads of times, but I didn't really reach much of a
conclusion, except it was a bit more like Mate than Bate.
Nice to see the Grauniad has always been inaccurate! ; )
>There seem
>to be too many Ians around at the moment...
>
>(I am suddenly reminded of the "Ian News" bits at the end of Fist of Fun...)
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I think this was "drogna", as ISTR all the elements of the game being
anagrams of "dragon"...
> currency I worked out before they explained it!), "Uncle" (the
"Roger The Cabin Boy" and "Seaman Staines" are certainly made up. "Master
Bates" seems to be pronounced as such, on occasions, but this is more likely
to be an accidental result of Peter Hawkins doing his funny voices than
anything deliberate. There is a .WAV of such a mis-pronounciation on the
net somewhere.
Steve
I have seen two episodes where the mis-naming appears to occur, including
the one named above (not just the sound file). However, I think it's
just a side-effect of Peter Hawkins funny voices, not a deliberate thing.
Steve
> Does anyone remember The Adventure Game?...
Yes, excellent. Best game show ever. That plant that
turned into inanimate objects, the Void, the funny shaped
tokens... great stuff.
Boz
Not without the smilies, no!
Indeed, the complete crew was:
Captain Pugwash,
Master Mate,
Seaman Barnabas,
Seaman Willy,
Tom, the cabin boy
Unfortunately, the names of Black Jake's crew escape me for the moment. No
doubt the excise men can tell you... ;-)
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>"Dafydd Rees" <dh....@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Following a discussion in work today about fantasic cartoons of yesteryear,
>>can anyone shed any light on the suggestion that Captain Pugwash was banned
>>from the BBC because of the innuendo in the crews names. Master Bates,
>>Seaman Staines etc?
>>Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
>
>Well, I heard Mark Radcliffe on his show the other night saying that
>apparently all this obscenity rubbish is made up (Roger the Cabin Boy,
>etc). But I wouldn't trust those louts as far as I could throw them.
>
>Regards,
>Billy Bollockchops
I have the sample WAV file and can post it to this, or some more
appropriate ng if you like....
Stephen
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: Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
: Thanks...
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: Dafydd Rees dh....@ukonline.co.uk
I have seen Captain Pugwash just a year ago on the Children's Channel on
satellite. Yes there was a lot of innuendoes and makes me wonder how the
maker of this piece of animation got away with it all these years...:)
Wah.
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>"Dafydd Rees" <dh....@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>Following a discussion in work today about fantasic cartoons of yesteryear,
>>can anyone shed any light on the suggestion that Captain Pugwash was banned
>>from the BBC because of the innuendo in the crews names. Master Bates,
>>Seaman Staines etc?
>>
>>Is it true?? Were there any other crew members with 'interesting' names?
>>
>>Thanks...
>>
>>______________________________________________
>>Dafydd Rees dh....@ukonline.co.uk
>>______________________________________________
>Urban Myth...Captain Pugwash NEVER had those names in it....a spoof
>version by an Australian company some years later DID use those names...
>the prog WASNT Captain Pugwash tho...;)
>Mike.
An urban myth indeed, there was a Master Mates but Seaman Staines and Roger
the Cabin Boy are never referred to in any episode. There was one edition
though where Master Mates if called "Bates", but probably just a slip of the
tongue... Er, hell..
Chris Poad
Bloomsbury Television
London WC1
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>Oh no! Is it that time again already? It seems like only yesterday
>when the last person asked this question...
BTW, do you remember a programme with a monkey, a sea dragon turned
into a horse a pig and a monk? :-) :-) :-)
I think it was called 'Starsky & Hutch'
love and kisses,
Jyoti
: Boz
Oh no! Is it that time again already? It seems like only yesterday
when the last person asked this question...
More to the point, what happened to the WWW site where all the
accumulated wealth of knowledge on this wonderful programme was
collected?
(the page was at http://eeisun2.city.ac.uk/~ftp/Guinness/adventure.html)
Andrew Burford.
I only did it for a joke, honest! Then someone took me seriously. Good
grief, I'll know not to do that again...
>More to the point, what happened to the WWW site where all the
>accumulated wealth of knowledge on this wonderful programme was
>collected?
Until less than a month ago it was still there although you had to use the
numeric address because the hostname had become unmapped for some reason.
Unfortunately I can't find it any more because they have rearranged all
the IP numbers and the particular one that I used (138.40.73.102) now
appears to be dead. (It's odd because eeisun*.city.ac.uk exists for
all * between 1 and 18, with the exception of 2).
~ : That was the programmes 'late' period, when it was in the childrens'
~ : weekday afternoon slot.
~
~ : The Golden Age of TAG was when it first started, & was on on Saturday
~ : mornings. One of the games was 'Adventure' on the Apple ][ !
~
~ Wooooo, someone who remembers the first series. :-)
~
~ You must be as old as me...
I'm 26 - how old are you ?
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Another one not paying attention!
There was Master Mate but nowhere, at no time, is there
reference to a plural. The one episode where someone
'thinks' they may have heard something different is just
lousy listening.
Phil
b> : Now for the bonus. Who was the only guest ever to solve the 'how many
b> : argons round the pond' trick. Answers on a postcard to
b> And that's "Gronda gronda Rangdo", and drogna, not drogma, and it should
b> be Argonds. (you may have spotted a pattern developing... )
b> I'm out of postcards - can't I call 01 811 8055 with the answer to the
b> question?
After so expertly spotting my mistakes, I am sure you know the answer to
the question, so I will re-open the phone lines just for you. Or you
could just post it here.
Pete.
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Well just name them then.....
OK, just name one!
Phil
28, and I remember the first series too.
Get those subtractors out!