Madeleine McCann: the mother did it
Martin Jay
"Kate McCann - mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine - will be
formally declared a suspect by the Portuguese police, the family has
said.
The McCanns' spokeswoman revealed Mrs Mccann will be given 'arguido'
status on Friday.
This would allow the police to put certain questions and give her the
legal right to remain silent.
Gerry McCann is set to be questioned later. Both deny any involvement
in Madeleine's disappearance on 3 May.
[...]
Samples, including suspected traces of blood, have been recovered from
the McCanns' holiday apartment.
The UK's Forensic Science Service has spent the past month analysing
them.
Madeleine was last seen on 3 May
Portuguese police spokesman Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said
partial results from tests had been received, but would give no
further details."
--
Martin Jay
Light of Aria
"Martin Jay" <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
news:pa22e3t0sdee6nbbj...@4ax.com...
FFS, this is preposterous if it is anything other than a standard
investigatory formality.
AC
"Light of Aria" <light...@novaliddomain.com> wrote in message
news:fbr4ho$2pju$1...@energise.enta.net...
Why?
The parents are the most likely guilty party. They should have been
fully investigated and possibly eliminated at the beginning. I find it
odd that only now are they officially questioning them.
As a father, I would fully expect to be suspect No1 in simular
circumstances.
AC
Ed
> "Light of Aria" <lightofa...@novaliddomain.com> wrote in messagenews:fbr4ho$2pju$1...@energise.enta.net...
>
> - Show quoted text -
The sun reported that they had killed her by accidentally over
seadating her so they could do their precious quiz night and save on
the babysitting fees. But that has to be utter bollocks, because if I
had given one of my kids too much medised and gone back to the room, I
would have called the police and an ambulance, not get someone to
dispose of the body!
Ste...@mailinator.com
wrote:
The net's closing in. Why would the police need to question them again
after all this time if they weren't considered the McCann's suspects?
Wouldn't all the questions have been asked & answered many times
already.
I always found it odd they weren't considered suspects right from the
start. And it was especially odd the fact that the police made a point
of saying in the beginning they did not consider the parents suspect.
The parents were the last one's with their daughter, the last ones to
see her alive & they all shared a flat together. Who else to suspect
initially if not them?
Ed
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think this is to do with portuguese legalities of being explicitly a
suspect or a witness. It affects what you can and cannot do in the
interview room, such as have a lawyer present
Ste...@mailinator.com
The mother's a GP and the father a medical consultant! They would have
professional medical training to deal with this which would not
include how to dispose of a dead body.
Sam Nelson
"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> writes:
> "Light of Aria" <light...@novaliddomain.com> wrote in message
> news:fbr4ho$2pju$1...@energise.enta.net...
> > investigatory formality.
>
> Why?
>
> The parents are the most likely guilty party. They should have been
> fully investigated and possibly eliminated at the beginning. I find it
> odd that only now are they officially questioning them.
Concur. If it's true 75% of murdered married people are murdered by their
spouse, there must be a similar hunch to play for murdered/disappeared
children.
> As a father, I would fully expect to be suspect No1 in simular
> circumstances.
As a father, I can categorically state that I would never allow
myself to end up in similar circumstances.
--
SAm.
Ed
>
> They actually quoted a Portuguese newspaper report. Not quite the same as
> reporting it themselves.
>
> I didn't find anything about "so they could do their precious quiz night and
> save on the babysitting fees"
>
>
> You might be on their list if you aren't careful :-)
> --
>
> Martin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry, the quiz night thing was from a daily mail article I saw when I
allowed the wife to but the mail opn holiday in August
Found it here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770
Jeff Lawrence
> Sorry, the quiz night thing was from a daily mail article I saw when I
> allowed the wife to but the mail opn holiday in August
> Found it herehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti
There's something about the quiz night on the BBC site now.
Apparently it lasted 11 hours! And I thought the quiz master
at my local was slow!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6981411.stm
Cheers
Jeff
Ed
PLUS They have 32 more questions still to ask!!
Johannes Andersen
22!
Stuart B
If the McCanns thought or think the media interest is at a high state
up to now then wait 'til they see the situation if it is shown they
had something to do with this.Shit hitting fan will not properly
describe the situation
Stuart
johannes
Martin wrote:
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007390631,00.html ?
>
> They actually quoted a Portuguese newspaper report. Not quite the same as
> reporting it themselves.
It looks better for Portugal Tourism if they can fix up the McCanns...
CheggersPop
Police: 'traces of Maddy blood in car'
The mother of four year-old Madeleine McCann fears that she could be
charged with her daughter's murder.
Within the last half hour a family friend has revealed that Portuguese
detectives suggested to Mrs McCann during questioning that traces of
Madeleine's blood were found in a hire car the family leased 25 days
after the girl went missing.
It's expected that Kate McCann will be declared a suspect by the police
today.
She and her husband Gerry deny any involvement in their daughter's
disappearance. A member of the McCann family has described the turn of
events as "unbelievable".
Mrs McCann - who was questioned by Portuguese police for 11 hours
yesterday - was expected be made an 'arguido' - a formal suspect -
after returning for more questioning at 10.30am this morning.
Her husband, Gerry, will be interviewed separately later this
afternoon.
>http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/police+traces+of+maddy+blood+in+car/774352<
Ed
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh, it's speeded up like Who wants to be a millionaire!
AC
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
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Dont be so sure. I am also pretty sure that i would not do the exact
same thing either, but we are all open to fucking up. How many parents
leave thier kids in the car while just nipping in to the newsagents.
Im sure you remember the case where this happened and the car got
knicked with a baby strapped in the back.
And dont underestimate what people do under pressure and the utter
mess completely normal people can get in to with out ever intending
it. One small action can lead to a large unintended disaster.
Its far too easy to judge after the event. Oh, and none of us really
know what happened, so we are all guessing.
AC
Ed
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Where did that section stating that they found blood in the car come
from?
Sam Nelson
Martin Jay
>The parents are the most likely guilty party. They should have been
>fully investigated and possibly eliminated at the beginning. I find it
>odd that only now are they officially questioning them.
>
>As a father, I would fully expect to be suspect No1 in simular
>circumstances.
I'd imagine one reason the police didn't officially call the parents
suspects was so they could continue to have 'tea and biscuit'
briefings with them without needing to have solicitors present.
And, it's not as if the McCann's were going anywhere, so the police
had opportunity to investigate other avenues while the parents were
jetting off around Europe and meeting the Pope.
--
Martin Jay
CheggersPop
Channel 4 site -
http://tinyurl.com/2q63nz
Daily Express site -
http://tinyurl.com/37t6je
AC
"Ed" <eabo...@onetel.com> wrote in message
news:1189157453.9...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
People dont always do the logical thing under extreme pressure. As I
sit here now, yes, thats the logical and obvious thing to do. But the
realisation of facing a murder charge in a foreign county would have
some effect on the thinking. Not to mension a possibly very strong
denial factor. Just simply not believing that they had been stupid
enough to kill thier daughter. On top of that, an accident like this
would destroy them. Its easy to see how they could paniced and gone
down this path.
Its too easy to paint these people as evil. I dont think they are.
Fucked up, stupid, negligent, selfish and guilty, maybe. Evil, no.
To me this have never looked right. I really dont know why, but I have
always been uneasy about these parents. But equally, I dotn think they
are bad people. Just, perhaps, careless people who got caught out, and
ended up on an unstopable wave, with no easy way off.
Its all shit whatever the out come.
AC
CheggersPop
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/07/nmaddy407.xml
"In an extraordinary encounter with detectives in Algarve, police
suggested the four-year-old's blood was found in the back of the
family's car which was hired five weeks after she went missing.
Mrs McCann emerged from the police station at 1am this morning looking
drawn
Mrs McCann -who is now formally an "arguida" or suspect in the case -
insisted the allegation was "ludicrous".
But the 39-year-old part-time GP now fears that she will be accused of
being responsible for Madeleine's death and has been warned to be
prepared for such a move by her lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu.
A family friend said: "Her lawyer has advised her that she may be
charged with her death. Kate know that she may be arrested, Gerry also
knows that it's a possibility that Kate may be arrested and charged.
"But she has done nothing wrong." "
Sam Nelson
"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> writes:
> "Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:s8j7r4-...@nntp.stir.ac.uk...
> >> circumstances.
> >
> > As a father, I can categorically state that I would never allow
> > myself to end up in similar circumstances.
>
I can be pretty sure. My youngest is 12, and I'm not going to have any more.
--
SAm.
JTF
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6982969.stm>:
>
> "Kate McCann - mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine - will be
> formally declared a suspect by the Portuguese police, the family has
> said.
News 24 are really latching on to this term "arguida". I'm already
annoyed by it. Just say "suspect", will you.
Mike
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:31 +0100, CheggersPop <viz...@vizbuks.con>
wrote:
>Police: 'traces of Maddy blood in car'
>
>The mother of four year-old Madeleine McCann fears that she could be
>charged with her daughter's murder.
>
>Within the last half hour a family friend has revealed that Portuguese
>detectives suggested to Mrs McCann during questioning that traces of
>Madeleine's blood were found in a hire car the family leased 25 days
>after the girl went missing.
>
>It's expected that Kate McCann will be declared a suspect by the police
>today.
>
>She and her husband Gerry deny any involvement in their daughter's
>disappearance. A member of the McCann family has described the turn of
>events as "unbelievable".
>
>Mrs McCann - who was questioned by Portuguese police for 11 hours
>yesterday - was expected be made an 'arguido' - a formal suspect -
>after returning for more questioning at 10.30am this morning.
>
>Her husband, Gerry, will be interviewed separately later this
>afternoon.
>
>>http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/police+traces+of+maddy+blood+in+car/774352<
<granny sucking eggs>
So if that is the result of the UK forensic tests then unless the
McCann's somehow happened to hire the same car before Madeleine
disappeared the only possible conclusions are they have just found the
killer/killers or the vehicle used by the killer/killlers.
Of course the tests might have also found traces of the sedative,
presumably prescription only, administered by one or other of the
parents.
--
MikeH
blood is from that child?
They can't have anything to compare it with, surely?
The best they could do (and I know nothing about this sort of thing)
would be to show that any blood was from someone related to both
parents. And they have other kids - I wonder if the police have been
taking blood samples from them?
It all sounds like tabloid gossip and character assassination to me.
Mike
MichaelJP
"CheggersPop" <viz...@vizbuks.con> wrote in message
news:mn.3b167d791...@vizbuks.con...
Is the suggestion that they killed Madeleine, somehow hid the body and moved
it 5 weeks later? All the time maintaining a cover story under the most
incredible media interest?
The police must have very strong evidence as the whole idea seems a
massively remote possibility compared to the much more likely scenario of
the girl being abducted and killed by an unknown.
CheggersPop
There would be no need to take a blood sample, a swab would do.
The DNA from the blood found on the wall in the apartment matches that
in the car. It has strains from both parents, but isn't either of the
other children's, so therefore the assumption has to be it's Maddies?
Mike Swift
<eabo...@onetel.com> writes
>The sun reported that they had killed her by accidentally over seadating
>her so they could do their precious quiz night and save on the
>babysitting fees. But that has to be utter bollocks, because if I had
>given one of my kids too much medised and gone back to the room, I would
>have called the police and an ambulance, not get someone to dispose of
>the body!
But then you wouldn't have done that in the first place would you.
The thing that set me against them was the complete lack of remorse
until the media circus was losing interest, 'if I had left my child
alone in similar circumstances', I would have been inconsolable and
would quite possibly have topped myself.
I have a theory I call Swift's Law, the more people involved in murders
appear in the media asking for help the more likely it is they are the
actual killers, it's happened too often to be coincidence.
Mike
--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange
MikeH
> There would be no need to take a blood sample, a swab would do.
>
> The DNA from the blood found on the wall in the apartment matches that
> in the car. It has strains from both parents, but isn't either of the
> other children's, so therefore the assumption has to be it's Maddies?
Fair point.
Ed
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:31 +0100, CheggersPop <vizb...@vizbuks.con>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Police: 'traces of Maddy blood in car'
>
> >The mother of four year-old Madeleine McCann fears that she could be
> >charged with her daughter's murder.
>
> >Within the last half hour a family friend has revealed that Portuguese
> >detectives suggested to Mrs McCann during questioning that traces of
> >Madeleine's blood were found in a hire car the family leased 25 days
> >after the girl went missing.
>
> >It's expected that Kate McCann will be declared a suspect by the police
> >today.
>
> >She and her husband Gerry deny any involvement in their daughter's
> >disappearance. A member of the McCann family has described the turn of
> >events as "unbelievable".
>
> >Mrs McCann - who was questioned by Portuguese police for 11 hours
> >yesterday - was expected be made an 'arguido' - a formal suspect -
> >after returning for more questioning at 10.30am this morning.
>
> >Her husband, Gerry, will be interviewed separately later this
> >afternoon.
>
>
> <granny sucking eggs>
>
> So if that is the result of the UK forensic tests then unless the
> McCann's somehow happened to hire the same car before Madeleine
> disappeared the only possible conclusions are they have just found the
> killer/killers or the vehicle used by the killer/killlers.
>
> Of course the tests might have also found traces of the sedative,
> presumably prescription only, administered by one or other of the
> parents.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's one of the greatest whodunnits of the 21st century. If the
McCanns did it, they have been astounding in their subterfuge.
Remember the letter suggesting where the body was found that the
police didnt follow up for two days after it was in the papers? Who
arranged that then? I'd love to see the McCanns mobile phone records!
Martin Jay
<mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote:
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6982969.stm>:
>
>"Kate McCann - mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine - will be
>formally declared a suspect by the Portuguese police, the family has
>said."
And The Sun says
<http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,31-2007410773,00.html>:
"Kate’s agony
PLODDING Portuguese police have not covered themselves in glory over
their probe into the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine McCann.
For over four months her devoted parents Kate and Gerry have done
everything in their power to help detectives find the missing girl.
But while cops have refused to give any public details about their
investigation, the Portuguese media is now awash with rumours and
innuendo leaked by police sources.
Yesterday, bungling police called Maddie’s tragic mum, Kate, in for
yet another agonising grilling.
If this is just another fishing expedition, they should be thoroughly
ashamed of themselves.
Hasn’t she suffered enough?"
--
Martin Jay
johannes
1 to 536870912 chance to get it right. However, if you appear to answer
randomly without any skill, the organisers would probably accuse you of
cheating.
johannes
I don't believe any of this. You also look out for 'micro expressions';
the McCanns appear supportive of each other, I can't imagine this
would happen if one of them had done it. Huntley was nailed by a micro
expression by Carr, as she talked about the girls in past tense.
Mr Scummy
>
> PLODDING Portuguese police have not covered themselves in glory over
> their probe into the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine McCann.
>
I'm getting thoroughly pissed off by the tabloid media - it's them who
have hardly covered themselves in glory. Jumping on any wild rumour or
leak from unnamed sources, ignoring the fact that the Portugese legal
system works differently to ours (e.g. slating the police for "refusing"
to give out information - they aren't allowed to - and this latest
"arguida" status thing is apparently a relatively common legal formality
over there), and turning the whole thing into a circus.
Of course, they don't feel any need to restrain themselves or think
about the affect their antics have on the McCann's feelings.
Sam Nelson
The Fourth Mystery Child???
--
SAm.
Mortimer
"MikeH" <mvho...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1189168449.3...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
If they have her parents' DNA, they can compare the components of this DNA
(from the X and Y chromosomes) in the blood that they have found in the car,
looking for similarities in the same way that paternity tests look for
similarities between a father's and the putative son's/daugher's DNA.
Mr Scummy
> up to now then wait 'til they see the situation if it is shown they
> had something to do with this.Shit hitting fan will not properly
> describe the situation
>
I wonder if the media will afford Mrs McCann the same treatment as they
gave Robert Murat when he was granted "suspect" status?
Personally I think Murat is owed an apology by the media for all the
crazy muck-raking and character assassination they did on him.
Mortimer
news:13e2g7j...@corp.supernews.com...
Maybe they are doing it to highlight the different interpretation that the
Portuguese put on this word than we do on the English translation of it.
johannes
Mortimer wrote:
>
> "MikeH" <mvho...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:1189168449.3...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> >> There would be no need to take a blood sample, a swab would do.
> >>
> >> The DNA from the blood found on the wall in the apartment matches that
> >> in the car. It has strains from both parents, but isn't either of the
> >> other children's, so therefore the assumption has to be it's Maddies?
>
> If they have her parents' DNA, they can compare the components of this DNA
> (from the X and Y chromosomes)
Eh? Just the X's will do.
Mortimer
"johannes" <jo...@siz-nospamme8272-efitter.com> wrote in message
news:46E15AD1...@siz-nospamme8272-efitter.com...
Given that everyone has an X chromosome, I'm sure this is true. But in the
case of a boy, there may be extra corroboration if his Y chromosome is
compared with his father's. Not relevant in this case, I know.
bogmyrtle
>
> "Kate McCann - mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine - will be
> formally declared a suspect by the Portuguese police, the family has
> said.
>
> status on Friday.
>
> This would allow the police to put certain questions and give her the
> legal right to remain silent.
>
> Gerry McCann is set to be questioned later. Both deny any involvement
> in Madeleine's disappearance on 3 May.
>
> [...]
>
> Samples, including suspected traces of blood, have been recovered from
> the McCanns' holiday apartment.
>
> The UK's Forensic Science Service has spent the past month analysing
> them.
>
> Madeleine was last seen on 3 May
>
> Portuguese police spokesman Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said
> partial results from tests had been received, but would give no
> further details."
> --
> Martin Jay
Never in a million years will I believe the parents did it .....
Mike
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:00 +0100, CheggersPop <viz...@vizbuks.con>
wrote:
......or another child she gave birth to in Portugal a few years ago.
--
Halmyre
m...@address.invalid says...
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:49:27 -0700, Jeff Lawrence <jeff.l...@orange.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 7, 12:17 pm, Ed <eabow...@onetel.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, the quiz night thing was from a daily mail article I saw when I
> >> allowed the wife to but the mail opn holiday in August
> >> Found it herehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti
> >
> >There's something about the quiz night on the BBC site now.
> >Apparently it lasted 11 hours!
>
>
Does anybody expect the Portuguese Inquisition?
--
Halmyre
Nomen Publicus
> If this is just another fishing expedition, they should be thoroughly
> ashamed of themselves.
There are suggestions in todays news about blood found in a hire car used by
the McCanns.
Mike
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:07:57 +0100, Mr Scummy <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Personally I think Murat is owed an apology by the media for all the
>crazy muck-raking and character assassination they did on him.
Even if he's found guilty?
--
Mike
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:15:01 +0100, "bogmyrtle" <bogm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Never in a million years will I believe the parents did it .....
You'd be no bloody good on a jury then.
--
johannes
And also used by anyone who hired the car between 3 May and 28 May.
bogmyrtle
"Mike" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:EtWdnflqi7Ps9Xzb...@pipex.net...
I know, but I just can't believe they would kill their own child ..
Martin Jay
<jo...@siz-nospamme8272-efitter.com> wrote:
>Nomen Publicus wrote:
>> There are suggestions in todays news about blood found in a hire car used by
>> the McCanns.
>And also used by anyone who hired the car between 3 May and 28 May.
I think there's something special about the blood found in the hire
car, such as it matching that found in the apartment rented by the
McCann family. Or the DNA partially matches the McCann parents,
suggesting it came from one of their children.
*IF* this is correct it would suggest the parents moved the body some
time after Madeleine died.
--
Martin Jay
Martin Jay
>the McCanns appear supportive of each other, I can't imagine this
>would happen if one of them had done it. Huntley was nailed by a micro
>expression by Carr, as she talked about the girls in past tense.
There have been a few signs.
The way Kate McCann keeps carrying around that doll seems a bit odd.
<http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1223682007>:
"'Mummy, I've had the best day ever. I'm having lots and lots of fun.'
Poignantly, they were among the last words uttered by four-year-old
Madeleine McCann to her mother as she prepared for bed on the evening
she was snatched from her Algarve apartment."
They don't sound like the words of a four year old girl. They sound
more like what a Mother would have liked to hear.
And, perhaps, the most telling slip...
<http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2516763.ece>:
"At around 10pm Kate went back to the flat to see if the children were
still safely asleep. But she found Madeleine's bed empty, and the
window and its shutters open. She left the building screaming and ran
to her husband crying: 'They've taken her! They've taken her!'"
They? Perhaps 'I can't find Madeleine,' or 'Madeleine isn't in her
bed,' but "they???"
Who is, or are, "they?" Perhaps the 'stranger-danger' badies the
couple had dreamt up to explain away their daughter's disappearance?
--
Martin Jay
Col
"Stuart B" <stu...@xpozure4u.plus.com> wrote in message
news:hrb2e3dvqk0e96m5m...@4ax.com...
>
> If the McCanns thought or think the media interest is at a high state
> up to now then wait 'til they see the situation if it is shown they
> had something to do with this.Shit hitting fan will not properly
> describe the situation
>
Quite.
It's one thing deceiving the police or even the public but deceiving
the tabloid press and getting them to run all sorts of sympathetic
coverage of them?
If they are formally chrged then they will turn on them with a
savegery barely imaginable.
--
Col
Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.
LJM
> On Sep 7, 10:28 am, "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> "Light of Aria" <lightofa...@novaliddomain.com> wrote in messagenews:fbr4ho$2pju$1...@energise.enta.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> investigatory formality.
>> Why?
>>
>> The parents are the most likely guilty party. They should have been
>> fully investigated and possibly eliminated at the beginning. I find it
>> odd that only now are they officially questioning them.
>>
>> As a father, I would fully expect to be suspect No1 in simular
>> circumstances.
>>
>> AC- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The sun reported that they had killed her by accidentally over
> seadating her so they could do their precious quiz night and save on
> the babysitting fees.
What if those sedatives were only normally available on prescription,
and you'd abused your medical position by administering them to your
kids? If the girl had been dead an hour, what's the point of calling an
ambulance. More to the point, if being honest would result in a
criminal record, possible jail term (manslaughter) and being struck off
the medical register, why not cover it up?
> But that has to be utter bollocks, because if I
> had given one of my kids too much medised and gone back to the room, I
> would have called the police and an ambulance, not get someone to
> dispose of the body!
That's like saying that all parents who killed their children must be
innocent because you wouldn't do that.
It's a random universe, but FWIW, I don't believe in the sedatives
theory either. In fact I first read about it in the true crimes ng (I
think), posted by somebody offering an alternative explanation to the
abduction scenario. It was *their* theory. Interesting the Portuguese
police decided to run with it a few months later.
--
LJM
LJM
>> had given one of my kids too much medised and gone back to the room, I
>> would have called the police and an ambulance, not get someone to
>> dispose of the body!
>
> professional medical training to deal with this which would not
> include how to dispose of a dead body.
In fairness, I think disposal of a dead body skills are more obtained
through work experience than written qualification.
--
LJM
LJM
>
> Its far too easy to judge after the event. Oh, and none of us really
> know what happened, so we are all guessing.
Spoilsport! We're all going to have to put our pitchforks on Ebay now. :(
--
LJM
Poldie
> In article <1189163513.622507.266...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Ed <eabow...@onetel.com> writes:
> > > > > On Sep 7, 12:17 pm, Ed <eabow...@onetel.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Sorry, the quiz night thing was from a daily mail article I saw when I
> > > > > > allowed the wife to but the mail opn holiday in August
> > > > > > Found it herehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti
>
> > > > > There's something about the quiz night on the BBC site now.
> > > > > at my local was slow!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6981411.stm
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Jeff
>
> > > > PLUS They have 32 more questions still to ask!!
>
> > > 22!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> That'd be 15 questions, then.
I make it 12.
Col
>
> "'Mummy, I've had the best day ever. I'm having lots and lots of fun.'
>
> Poignantly, they were among the last words uttered by four-year-old
> Madeleine McCann to her mother as she prepared for bed on the evening
> she was snatched from her Algarve apartment."
>
> They don't sound like the words of a four year old girl. They sound
> more like what a Mother would have liked to hear.
Yeah, thinking about it that does seem rather odd.
Young kids don't ever really state that they are 'having fun'
they just kind of go and do it and not articulate it as such.
> And, perhaps, the most telling slip...
>
> <http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2516763.ece>:
>
> "At around 10pm Kate went back to the flat to see if the children were
> still safely asleep. But she found Madeleine's bed empty, and the
> window and its shutters open. She left the building screaming and ran
> to her husband crying: 'They've taken her! They've taken her!'"
>
> They? Perhaps 'I can't find Madeleine,' or 'Madeleine isn't in her
> bed,' but "they???"
>
> Who is, or are, "they?" Perhaps the 'stranger-danger' badies the
> couple had dreamt up to explain away their daughter's disappearance?
Not so sure about that one though.
It those first few nighmarish moments after you discover your child
has gone missing from a room with an open window I can quite
imagine all the horror stories you'd heard of about abducted kids
comes into your mind and you could quite well hysterically scream that.
Col
"mick" <coughcough.@privacy.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed" <eabo...@onetel.com> wrote in message
> news:1189157707.0...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 7, 10:32 am, "Step...@mailinator.com" <Step...@mailinator.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sep 7, 10:09 am, "Light of Aria" <lightofa...@novaliddomain.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> suspect or a witness. It affects what you can and cannot do in the
>> interview room, such as have a lawyer present
>
> And, according to a Portugese legal bloke that was interviewed on Sky,
> they
> *have* to declare people as suspects once someone has accused them. IOW if
> person x accuses person y then police have to officially declare them as
> suspects even if the police themselves don`t believe they are guilty.
What, anybody?
Even a Portuguese newspaper?
Col
"Halmyre" <nos...@this.address> wrote in message
news:MPG.214b6fb06...@news.tesco.net...
Definately worthy of a LOL!
Mike Plowman
wrote:
>Not so sure about that one though.
>It those first few nighmarish moments after you discover your child
>has gone missing from a room with an open window I can quite
>imagine all the horror stories you'd heard of about abducted kids
>comes into your mind and you could quite well hysterically scream that.
I would agree with that. My son, then aged 6, was riding a bike in the
new forest while i pushed his brother along in his push chair. I told
him not to get too far ahead of me and stay where I could see him. He
vanished round a corner about 30 yards ahead of me, i speeded up and
to my horror was confronted with the trail splitting off in four
directions and no sign of him.
I screamed myself hoarse for nearly ten minutes with no sign of him.
By the time I got back to the cabin where my wife was cooking dinner I
was more or less incoherent and had already envisioned the very worst
despite him being gone only 15 minutes. Your mind just runs amok and
once you've made one leap of imagination, the next is even easier.
--
Mike Plowman
"Hey you, Horror Face. I'm a Printhead"
mick
"MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "CheggersPop" <viz...@vizbuks.con> wrote in message
> news:mn.3b167d791...@vizbuks.con...
>
> Is the suggestion that they killed Madeleine, somehow hid the body and
moved
> it 5 weeks later? All the time maintaining a cover story under the most
> incredible media interest?
This was the first thing that struck me when I heard this today. Given the
scrutiny they were under from the police and the world media (particularly
the local press that has been out to get them from the start) how could they
possibly have had the chance to move the body and, on top of that, where
could they have hidden it in the first place, given that the surrounding
area would be searched after the alarm went up.
Even if you accept that they managed to hide the body initially, would they
then court attention the way they did knowing that they still had to get rid
of the body at a later date (in this case 5 weeks later)?
Just doesn`t ring true.
mick
g.skinner
> "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:JqbEi.94684$1J4....@fe06.news.easynews.com...
>
>
>
> >news:mn.3b167d791...@vizbuks.con...
>
> > Is the suggestion that they killed Madeleine, somehow hid the body and
> moved
> > it 5 weeks later? All the time maintaining a cover story under the most
> > incredible media interest?
>
> This was the first thing that struck me when I heard this today. Given the
> scrutiny they were under from the police and the world media (particularly
> the local press that has been out to get them from the start) how could they
> possibly have had the chance to move the body and, on top of that, where
> could they have hidden it in the first place, given that the surrounding
> area would be searched after the alarm went up.
Well perhaps as they would be the ones to raise the alarm they would
hide any evidence before calling the police ;-)
> Even if you accept that they managed to hide the body initially, would they
> then court attention the way they did knowing that they still had to get rid
> of the body at a later date (in this case 5 weeks later)?
> Just doesn`t ring true.
Not a lot about the whole affair has rung true to date; why leave
three kids all alone while you go and enjoy yourself, why have they
done a virtual world tour rather than lifting every twig and stone to
look for her, the list can go on and on...
johannes
Martin wrote:
> Otherwise it is just more silly rumours.
> Moved the body from where to where five weeks after she disappeared?
> --
>
> Martin
But didn't somebody else in the frame hire the same car?
There now ought to be a MasterMind Quiz on the McCann affair.
David Qunt
bumtube of the newstwat in
news:1189160220.5...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 7, 10:53 am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:30:53 -0700, Ed <eabow...@onetel.com> wrote:
>> >On Sep 7, 10:28 am, "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> >> "Light of Aria" <lightofa...@novaliddomain.com> wrote in
>> >> messagenews:fbr4ho$2pju$1...@energise.enta.net...
>>
>> >> > "Martin Jay" <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >The sun reported that they had killed her by accidentally over
>> >seadating her so they could do their precious quiz night and save on
>> >the babysitting fees.
>>
>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007390631,00.html?
>>
>> They actually quoted a Portuguese newspaper report. Not quite the
>> same as reporting it themselves.
>>
>> I didn't find anything about "so they could do their precious quiz
>> night and save on the babysitting fees"
>>
>> No wonder the family are initiating libel cases against Portuguese
>> newspapers.
>>
>> You might be on their list if you aren't careful :-)
>> --
>>
>> Martin- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Sorry, the quiz night thing was from a daily mail article I saw when I
> allowed the wife to but the mail opn holiday in August
> Found it here
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_articl
> e_id=474656&in_page_id=1770
>
Spelling mistakes aside, we have identified the source of your problems.
You allowed your wife to buy The Mail on holiday, then you openly admit
the fact in public.
You don't even deserve to die, never mind live.
Jeremiah Harbottle
> By the time I got back to the cabin where my wife was cooking dinner I
> was more or less incoherent and had already envisioned the very worst
> despite him being gone only 15 minutes. Your mind just runs amok and
> once you've made one leap of imagination, the next is even easier.
Did you find him?
Alan Hope
>
>"Light of Aria" <light...@novaliddomain.com> wrote in message
Especially now you've virtually confessed.
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
mick
"Col" <reddw...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5kdivpF...@mid.individual.net...
I`m just saying what the bloke said. I don`t know the ins and outs myself.
Annoyingly Sky cut the bloke off because "we have run out of time". FFS,
it`s a rolling news service; why would they need to stop just because it`s 4
o`clock (Grrr!) As soon as they get someone who can clear up the differences
in the meaning of these terms in the two countries they ditch him in favour
of seeing how many times they can repeat the word Arguido. They obviously
think sounds more exotic:)
mick
Alan Hope
>The sun reported that they had killed her by accidentally over
>seadating her so they could do their precious quiz night and save on
>the babysitting fees. But that has to be utter bollocks, because if I
>had given one of my kids too much medised and gone back to the room, I
>would have called the police and an ambulance, not get someone to
>dispose of the body!
Okay, so it's bollocks because it's not what you say you would do,
having never been in a similar situation.
That ought to be good enough for any Portuguese court, I reckon.
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
Alan Hope
>You allowed your wife to buy The Mail on holiday, then you openly admit
>the fact in public.
Anyone who would claim to "allow his wife" to buy the DM is obviously
someone who would buy the DM of his own accord.
Except in Jamaica, perhaps.
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
mick
Also, have they _actually_ accused them or have they been saying things like
"police believe that...", "sources close to the investigation say..." etc?
mick
Alan Hope
>It looks better for Portugal Tourism if they can fix up the McCanns...
Yeah because tourists refuse to go on holiday to countries where there
are unsolved murders.
I mean, what Brit would feel safe leaving their little girl unattended
at home in Portugal after this? It's a scandal. You might have to stay
in, or get a babysitter. What the fuck kind of holiday do you call
that?
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
Alan Hope
>Its too easy to paint these people as evil. I dont think they are.
>Fucked up, stupid, negligent, selfish and guilty, maybe. Evil, no.
So you're saying that two medical practitioners drugged their child to
shut her up and let them go out in peace, and got it so wrong the
child died?
And that's not evil?
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
mick
"g.skinner" <gp.sk...@talk21.com> wrote in message
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> On 7 Sep, 19:32, "mick" <coughcou...@privacy.com> wrote:
> > "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:JqbEi.94684$1J4....@fe06.news.easynews.com...
> >
> > > "CheggersPop" <vizb...@vizbuks.con> wrote in message
> > >news:mn.3b167d791...@vizbuks.con...
> >
> > > Is the suggestion that they killed Madeleine, somehow hid the body and
> > moved
> > > it 5 weeks later? All the time maintaining a cover story under the
most
> > > incredible media interest?
> >
> > This was the first thing that struck me when I heard this today. Given
the
> > scrutiny they were under from the police and the world media
(particularly
> > the local press that has been out to get them from the start) how could
they
> > possibly have had the chance to move the body and, on top of that, where
> > could they have hidden it in the first place, given that the
surrounding
> > area would be searched after the alarm went up.
>
> Well perhaps as they would be the ones to raise the alarm they would
> hide any evidence before calling the police ;-)
Yes but it would have to be close by. If not, why would they need to hire a
car to move it five weeks later:-) Doesn`t make sense.
> > Even if you accept that they managed to hide the body initially, would
they
> > then court attention the way they did knowing that they still had to get
rid
> > of the body at a later date (in this case 5 weeks later)?
> > Just doesn`t ring true.
>
> Not a lot about the whole affair has rung true to date; why leave
> three kids all alone while you go and enjoy yourself,
I agree with that. If they hadn`t be middle class professionals the press
would have slaughtered them on this point.
>why have they
> done a virtual world tour rather than lifting every twig and stone to
> look for her, the list can go on and on...
Yes, reminded me a bit of the Epens(sp?) Very un-British way of doing
things.
mick
Edward Cowling London UK
<mar...@spam-free.org.uk> writes
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6982969.stm>:
>
>"Kate McCann - mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine - will be
>formally declared a suspect by the Portuguese police, the family has
>said.
>
I bloody knew it. From day 1 her and the husband have been behaving like
guilty people trying to behave innocently.
Mind you it makes the tabloids look stupid, which never gets tiring :-)
--
Edward Cowling "Must Go - I've Someone To Stalk !!"
Alan Hope
>"Stuart B" <stu...@xpozure4u.plus.com> wrote in message
>news:hrb2e3dvqk0e96m5m...@4ax.com...
>> If the McCanns thought or think the media interest is at a high state
>> up to now then wait 'til they see the situation if it is shown they
>> had something to do with this.Shit hitting fan will not properly
>> describe the situation
>Quite.
>It's one thing deceiving the police or even the public but deceiving
>the tabloid press and getting them to run all sorts of sympathetic
>coverage of them?
>If they are formally chrged then they will turn on them with a
>savegery barely imaginable.
More importantly, it will completely queer the pitch for the next set
of parents who turn up with a missing child, innocent or not. They'll
be roasted alive from the off.
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
mick
"Jeremiah Harbottle" <nik...@nildram.REMOVE.THIS.co.uk> wrote in message
news:082dnVIZt8U...@giganews.com...
Yes, we want the next installment, and make it exiting. A mundane ending
simply won`t be good enough;-)
mick
Alan Hope
>On 07 Sep 2007 14:27:43 GMT, Nomen Publicus <ne...@buffy.sighup.org.uk> wrote:
>>Martin Jay <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote:
>>> If this is just another fishing expedition, they should be thoroughly
>>> ashamed of themselves.
>>There are suggestions in todays news about blood found in a hire car used by
>>the McCanns.
>http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1283158,00.html
>"Madeleine: Mother 'Has Not Been Charged'
>Updated: 15:43, Friday September 07, 2007
>Police have finished questioning Kate McCann but are not charging her over the
>disappearance of her daughter Madeleine, according to Sky sources.
>The news came as Gerry McCann arrived at the Portuguese police station to be
>questioned again. ..."
The business about being arguida and being charged are two different
things. You can be one without being the other. If she were ever
charged it would be when they have a watertight case. But she's
arguida because the police are looking at her in a serious way, and
she gets to have the protection a person in that situation needs. Like
the caution. How many times does it happen that Plod cautions someone
they're looking at for a crime, but only charges them formally later,
or not at all?
I sometimes think the papers don't even know how their own system
works, while they're going around failing to understand other systems.
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
Dom Robinson
eabo...@onetel.com says...
> On Sep 7, 11:49 am, Jeff Lawrence <jeff.lawre...@orange.nl> wrote:
> > On Sep 7, 12:17 pm, Ed <eabow...@onetel.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, the quiz night thing was from a daily mail article I saw when I
> > > allowed the wife to but the mail opn holiday in August
> > > Found it herehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti
> >
> > Apparently it lasted 11 hours! And I thought the quiz master
> > at my local was slow!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6981411.stm
> > Cheers
> > Jeff
>
> PLUS They have 32 more questions still to ask!!
>
Do they get to phone a friend?
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Dom Robinson
> Ste...@mailinator.com wrote:
> > On Sep 7, 10:30 am, Ed <eabow...@onetel.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 7, 10:28 am, "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> "Martin Jay" <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
> >>>> news:pa22e3t0sdee6nbbj...@4ax.com...
> >>>>> "Kate McCann - mother of missing four-year-old Madeleine - will be
> >>>>> formally declared a suspect by the Portuguese police, the family
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> said.
> >> seadating her so they could do their precious quiz night and save on
> >> the babysitting fees. But that has to be utter bollocks, because if I
> >> had given one of my kids too much medised and gone back to the room, I
> >> would have called the police and an ambulance, not get someone to
> >> dispose of the body!
> >
> > professional medical training to deal with this which would not
> > include how to dispose of a dead body.
>
> In fairness, I think disposal of a dead body skills are more obtained
> through work experience than written qualification.
>
And they would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for meddling with kids
:)
Dom Robinson
nospamme8272-efitter.com says...
>
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > They actually quoted a Portuguese newspaper report. Not quite the same as
> > reporting it themselves.
>
>
ever happening again. They'll think twice before parading 24/7 "Won't someone
think of the children!"-type coverage in front of the cameras.
And we won't have Lorraine Kelly beating her chest about it in the Sun or on
TV (however much some people might like LK's chest).
And we won't have bloody posters on the cars of every dimwit.
And we won't have short films played at football matches.
And we won't have celebrities queueing up to endorse such a campaign.
Of course, I'd rather the girl was still found alive and well, but if the
McCanns are found guilty then there's not going to be a single place on the
planet they can hideaway to, given the way the publicity juggernaut has gone.
Alan Hope
>"Mike" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:EtWdnflqi7Ps9Xzb...@pipex.net...
>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:15:01 +0100, "bogmyrtle" <bogm...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>Never in a million years will I believe the parents did it .....
>> You'd be no bloody good on a jury then.
> I know, but I just can't believe they would kill their own child ..
Yeah because that sort of thing is completely unheard of. Not even
evidence would convince you, right?
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
Sofa - Spud
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:51:59 +0200, Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> AC goes:
>>
>>> Its too easy to paint these people as evil. I dont think they are.
>>> Fucked up, stupid, negligent, selfish and guilty, maybe. Evil, no.
>> So you're saying that two medical practitioners drugged their child to
>> shut her up and let them go out in peace, and got it so wrong the
>> child died?
>>
>> And that's not evil?
>
> remains in 1Kg plastic bags and posted them home, knowing that like most packets
> sent to UK they would disappear in the post.
Just like Fanny Anne!!