Friends S09-21 - ghost of the barcalounger
Tennant Stuart
I never suspected that it would be both of them.
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921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
The morning after Joey kissed Charlie, Ross seems quite philosophical
about it; but Rachel is seething with jealousy - which is not helped
by Joey sauntering into Central Perk, holding Charlie's hand.
Ross hides his attraction to Charlie, who apologises for going off
with someone else at the party, yet she can't disguise that what she
really likes about Joey is his sexual magnetism, not his intellect.
But for such an intelligent woman, Charlie has little idea of how to
relate to Joey. Instead of discovering his world, or even opening his
eyes to a higher culture, she lets him flounder out of his depth.
Joey turns to Ross, who demonstrates his good virtue by teaching his
best friend exactly what to say to her. Joey is an apt pupil, soaking
up the art of talking about famous painters, without having a clue of
what it all means - but impressing Ross that he learns so quickly.
However, Charlie isn't fooled in the slightest, since Joey took a
wrong turn at the museum, and he eloquently talked about the wrong
paintings. She admits to Ross that Joey is not the man for her, and
reveals that what she wants is someone she has more in common with.
Ross valiantly passes up this opportunity to swoop in, and instead he
insists that she should give Joey another chance; since he's a really
great guy, while she can always talk art with somebody else. Charlie
thanks him, and happily steps out with her new boyfriend once more.
---o0o---
Rachel receives a gift certificate from a new spa, but Phoebe objects
to corporate massage chains, then rips the certificate up. Undaunted,
Rachel tapes it back together, to go to the spa for a free massage.
However, Phoebe is secretly working there, despite her principles,
since they pay good money. Essaying an accent, she instructs Rachel
to put her face in the hole of the table, then lets her assume that
she's Swedish - but Rachel recognises Phoebe's new shoes.
Revealing she knows the truth, Rachel confronts her, prompting her to
quit the spa for her principles. Phoebe agrees, but she's lying again,
and returns to work the next day. Thus when she sees that her first
client is Rachel Green, Phoebe pretends to be Scottish!
---o0o---
Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
it's time for a fertility test. At the clinic, he's very nervous about
depositing a specimen in a cup, so she assures him there's nothing to
be embarrassed about, since nobody there knows them. In walks Janice.
Janice has come to get her husband Sid checked out, but the Bings
cannot believe their bad luck, especially when subjected to Janice's
most braying laughs, and then she offers to give Chandler a hand!
But once Chandler has made his contribution, he relaxes, and finds
Janice to be pleasant company. Though she warns him that getting the
results is the hard part, she assures him that he & Monica will be
just fine, since they were meant to have children.
Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
---o0o---
Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings? Those
happily married Bings have been heading for something like this for
a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard. However, the tale
was invigorated by this season's appearance of Janice Littman, for
Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form. CnM fans must be hoping that
Janice's prediction comes true - there are several possibilities.
Meanwhile, Rachel's story leapt to a promising start for JnR fans,
then rather lost its way in a slight piece that deserved better.
However, Joey & Ross once again proved what a tremendous duo they
can be, with both actors punching above their weight. Though Charlie
is little more than a cute prop, she catalysed some marvellous scenes
between the guys, giving Matt LeBlanc a chance to show what Joey can
do, and enabling David Schwimmer to give us back the Ross we want.
---o0o---
Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
was a funny line), he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian? Because this would have
made this episode even more similar to an episode of "Coupling"? As
it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility Clinic
episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much ruder.
When Phoebe enters the apartment, look out for Rachel folding some
baby clothes, another little hint about Emma's existence.
So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
Mind you, couldn't you just listen to Jennifer Aniston's honeyed
tones saying "through the glass doors" all day?
On the other hand, why does Rachel have to go back through the glass
doors, when that means going outside the reception area?
Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
Phoebe looks so good in her starched white uniform, doesn't she?
But with her hair up like that, does she remind you of a pineapple?
Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
Is it just me, or does Rachel look incredibly beautiful with her face
in the hole? Is it because she looks like a medieval princess?
And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
Phoebe says the spa gives her a four-oh-wonk, which is obviously her
way of saying 401-K. So does this mean that Chandler eventually told
her that it was a tax advantaged retirement plan, and not a robot?
When Phoebe goes back to work the next day, is she still wearing
her Shania Twain shoes?
I don't know how good or bad Phoebe's Norwegian/Swedish accent was,
but I can assure you that her Scottish accent was terrible!
In the evening, wearing the same clothes as that morning, Monica asks
Chandler what they're doing tonight. Since sex is out of the equation,
why didn't he tell his wife that he's taking her & Phoebe to see the
one-woman play? This was all the day after the party, yet the previous
episode ended with the trio at the theatre. Of course, that could've
been on a further night, but they would have not been in the mood..
Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
When Chandler says he has a weird feeling about the clinic, is
that his stand-in sitting by the door?
Would I be right to suspect that a fertility test should be far more
troubling for a woman than it is for a man? An invasive vaginal exam
does not sound like a picnic in the park to me.
So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
---o0o---
Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but that's not to
say that it cannot happen. More significant is what this means to the
overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
surely would have happened if only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? Not her brother's...
There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
Did you get the symbolism of the dead barcalounger? While she was
alive, Chandler was more sessile than motile, ordering takeaways to
be delivered across the hall, to meet a hostile environment in which
Monica angrily ejected them to Chandler's apartment. And then when
Chandler finally moved into Monica's hospitality, she was hostile to
the poor barcalounger, and rejoiced when she finally died...
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.
Tennant Stuart
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manhn
"Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but that's not to
> say that it cannot happen. More significant is what this means to the
> overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
> are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
> surely would have happened if only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
>
To be exact, neither are infertile. It's that they are not good matches, so
it'll be more difficult to produce.
Lewis.
Phlossy
do reach Monica's Cervix it kills them?? sounds painful - anyway - if this
is true.. why are they searching for a donor??? Why don't they extract his
sperm and her egg and POOOF - Invetro Baby!
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Charles Blair
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I don't think we should take this infertility business too
seriously. On Mad About You, Paul and Jamie used it for a season
or so, then Jamie got pregnant just in time for a new season.
By the way, has Courtney Cox's rumored real-life pregnancy
been confirmed by an "official" source?
Tennant Stuart
"manhn" <ma...@home.com> wrote:
>> Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
>> low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
>> to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
>> solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
>> Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>> shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but that's not to
>> say that it cannot happen. More significant is what this means to the
>> overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
>> are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
>> surely would have happened if only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
> To be exact, neither are infertile. It's that they are not good
> matches, so it'll be more difficult to produce.
Really? So what exactly are we saying, Lewis?
If Monica had a hospitable environment, would Chandler's poor sessile
sperm be gently welcomed inside, to delicately fertilise her?
Or would they just flop down at the entrance?
If Chandler's sperm were motile, would they shoulder their way inside
Monica's inhospitable environment, then fertilise her anyway?
Or would they be torn apart to die violently?
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
"Phlossy" <ste...@purdue.edu> wrote:
Phlossy, *please* respect the spoiler space, and don't
post revealing details about future plots above it.
This episode has not yet been shown in Britain.
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
>> low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
>> to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
>> solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
> Didnt they say that Chandlers swimmers are not very mobile?
The work is "motile", which means something is capable over moving under
its own control by means of its own power. A shopping trolley is mobile.
> and that if they do reach Monica's Cervix it kills them?? sounds painful
That is what Chandler said...
CHANDLER: It means that my guys won't get off their barcaloungers and you
have a uterus that is prepared to kill the ones that do.
>> So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
>> as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
>> being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
>> motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
>> that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? Not her brother's...
> - anyway - if this is true.. why are they searching for a donor???
Well, I didn't actually say that they are, it was just my speculation.
If you know any better than that Phlossy, then please don't say so.
> If the answer Why don't they extract his sperm and her egg and POOOF -
> Invetro Baby!
That's "in vitro", which means "in glassware".
Extracting a human egg is a long & arduous process for the woman.
As for the sperm, Chandler's might have a such a low motility that
they would need a donor, and the obvious candidate is someone else
in the group. Since Ross is Monica's brother, that leaves Joey,
who we know has already contributed to a sperm bank.
An intriguing possibility arises if Monica is unable to donate an
egg, for a variety of medical reasons. In that case, the egg would
come from some other woman, and then there would be no reason why
the sperm shouldn't be from Ross, indeed he'd be the ideal choice.
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen episode 922.
Tennant Stuart
c-b...@uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) wrote:
>> Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>> shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but that's not to
>> say that it cannot happen. More significant is what this means to the
>> overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
>> are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
>> surely would have happened if only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
> I don't think we should take this infertility business too seriously. On
> Mad About You, Paul and Jamie used it for a season or so, then Jamie got
> pregnant just in time for a new season.
Well, anything can happen in a sitcom, of course.
But it seems to me that the writers have written themselves into a
corner. If they stay consistent, then making both Chandler & Monica
infertile rules out anything along the lines of "as soon as they
stopped trying she became pregnant".
It looks to me like a donor will be required for sperm, and/or eggs.
>> There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
>> pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
>> if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
> By the way, has Courtney Cox's rumoured real-life pregnancy been
> confirmed by an "official" source?
Not that I've heard of. It appeared first in "The Sun" newspaper,
which is not a good sign; and this is a British paper, which makes
it worse, since this is an American story.
It was later picked up by "The National Enquirer", whose reputation
is almost as low as "The Sun", but they just copied the story.
If anyone does know of official confirmation, please write in.
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen episode 922.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
Beware of a plot spoiler in the next post by "Phlossy".
iphigenia
Not that I'm an expert, but to me, a gallery is where paintings are hung
that are for sale, and a museum is for pieces that aren't for sale. I'm
probably quite wrong, though.
>
> Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
> abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
I have been doing some research, and for your information, minks are not
very nice!
>
> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
Aren't Swedish massages supposed to be famous, though?
>
> Would I be right to suspect that a fertility test should be far more
> troubling for a woman than it is for a man? An invasive vaginal exam
> does not sound like a picnic in the park to me.
YES. Infertility tests for men are pretty simple - you've got good sperm,
lazy sperm, or few sperm. The only real requirement that I know of is the
cup sample. Women have many, many more factors - there's Monica's
inhospitable uterus, pH of cervical mucus, hormonal issues, ovulation
issues, etc., etc., etc. There are many more tests, most of which involve
invasive exams, frequent blood draws, etc.
On the other hand, a woman doesn't have to manage to have an orgasm in a
clinic for her tests to be done...
>
> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
I'm trying not to think about either of the masturbating incidents. Both
have some possible facets that I would not care to know about.
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howie
"iphigenia" <preter...@hotmail.comeon> a écrit dans le message de news:
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maybe in the states, but in europe, the most famous galleries have paintings
that are definetely not on sale. my POV would be the following : galleries
are for exhibitions lasting for a certain length of time. and museums more
for a permanent time.
>
> >
> > Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
> > abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
>
> I have been doing some research, and for your information, minks are not
> very nice!
>
> >
> > What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
> > was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
Tennant, Swedish and Norwegian are quite the same language. it's like
difference between Austrian german and German german ;-)
howie
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Tennant Stuart
"howie" <l...@lol.com> wrote:
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> So Tennant, where are your fave quotes of the episode ?
Here yo go, but they're not all funny ones...
RACHEL: I don't know why Joey had to kiss her! I mean, of all the
girls at the party, GOD!
PHOEBE: Can you imagine if they had kids and if the kids got her
intelligence and Joey's raw sexual magnetism... Oh, those
nerds will get laaaaaid!
MONICA: And she wants to go hunting, too!!
RACHEL: Through the glass doors.
JANICE: Oh! Someone's a little cranky coz they have to do it in a
cup! Oh! They gave you the kiddy size.
JOEY: Note the painterly lines and subtle impasto on this canvas.
Monet painted quickly and usually outdoors as his elusive
subject was light itself. Caravaggio uses chiaroscuro here
to highlight the anguish of the central figure.
ROSS: I think you should give Joey a chance. I mean, he's a great
guy, and sure he doesn't know that much about art but you
know, you can always talk about that with someone else.
CHANDLER: Well, we're gonna... we're gonna figure this out.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
"iphigenia" <preter...@hotmail.comeon> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
Well, I don't know about America, but here galleries that sell paintings
are relatively small affairs compared with an art gallery that doesn't.
Museums are for old relics - unless scientific, which are new relics. :)
>> Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
>> abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
> I have been doing some research, and for your information, minks are not
> very nice!
Ah, but have you ever had a boy named Phil Huntley wrapped around you?
>> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
>> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
> Aren't Swedish massages supposed to be famous, though?
I think they are in America. In Sweden, they're just called massages.
>> Would I be right to suspect that a fertility test should be far more
>> troubling for a woman than it is for a man? An invasive vaginal exam
>> does not sound like a picnic in the park to me.
> YES. Infertility tests for men are pretty simple - you've got good sperm,
> lazy sperm, or few sperm. The only real requirement that I know of is the
> cup sample. Women have many, many more factors - there's Monica's
> inhospitable uterus, pH of cervical mucus, hormonal issues, ovulation
> issues, etc., etc., etc. There are many more tests, most of which involve
> invasive exams, frequent blood draws, etc.
Right, so Chandler was being cut an awful lot of slack here.
> On the other hand, a woman doesn't have to manage to have an orgasm in a
> clinic for her tests to be done...
LOL, quite so - no worries about an inopportune knock on the door then?
>> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
>> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
> I'm trying not to think about either of the masturbating incidents. Both
> have some possible facets that I would not care to know about.
It's intriguing that they were both associated with food.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
"howie" <l...@lol.com> wrote:
>> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>>> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
>>> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
> Tennant, Swedish and Norwegian are quite the same language. it's like
> difference between Austrian german and German german ;-)
Well, for starters those two Germans *do *have their differences, for
example the German German for Saturday is "Samstag", while the Austrian
German for Saturday is "Sonnabend".
For seconds, Marita Bakken who used to post here quite regularly (and
hopefully soon will again) is Norwegian, and she speaks Norwegian of
course, but where she actually comes from they speak Trøndersk, which
has more vowels (especially æ's) in it. So Swedish and Norwegian are
definitely not the same, though there are similarities of course.
Tennant
howie
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it was actually what i wanted to say. they aren't the same in all point of
views, but they're pretty much the same, only the accent changes.
> For seconds, Marita Bakken who used to post here quite regularly (and
> hopefully soon will again) is Norwegian, and she speaks Norwegian of
> course, but where she actually comes from they speak Trøndersk, which
> has more vowels (especially æ's) in it. So Swedish and Norwegian are
> definitely not the same, though there are similarities of course.
>
yeah, that's true. if i remember well, there are two different norwegian,
the one u're talking about and another one.
cookie dude
lumberjack when saying:
> Well, for starters those two Germans *do *have their differences, for
> example the German German for Saturday is "Samstag", while the
> Austrian German for Saturday is "Sonnabend".
There are differences, but that one isn't one of them. Both Samstag and
Sonnabend are used up here in the north. Point of the original poster was
presumably that while there may be differences they are minute
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Tennant Stuart
"howie" <l...@lol.com> wrote:
>>>> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>> Well, for starters those two Germans *do *have their differences.
> it was actually what i wanted to say. they aren't the same in all point of
> views, but they're pretty much the same, only the accent changes.
Okay.
>> For seconds, Marita Bakken who used to post here quite regularly (and
>> hopefully soon will again) is Norwegian, and she speaks Norwegian of
>> course, but where she actually comes from they speak Trøndersk, which
>> has more vowels (especially æ's) in it. So Swedish and Norwegian are
>> definitely not the same, though there are similarities of course.
> yeah, that's true. if i remember well, there are two different
> norwegian, the one u're talking about and another one.
Doesn't that make three different languages; Norwegian, Trøndersk,
and another one?
Tennant Stuart
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <na.ca789e4bee...@argonet.co.uk>,
> ten...@argonet.co.uk (Tennant Stuart) wrote:
>> You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
>> was a funny line), he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
>> who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
>> complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
>> mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
> Like he says, he's an actor: this is what he does, he learns lines he
> doesn't understand. Not understand what the words mean is an acting
> challenge, but not necessarily a memory challenge in the way you're
> thinking. You treat it as a foreign language and do it by ear, not by
> meaning.
I don't deny any of that, all I'm saying is that it doesn't make the
task easier for him, so it can't be dismissed as easily as he does.
>> Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
> They (we) hang them in both.
Okay, it's just that the only other venues mentioned in the show IIRC are
the Museum of Modern Art in 211 "TOW the Lesbian Wedding", the Guggenheim
Museum in 224 "TOW Barry and Mindy's Wedding", the Morgan Chase Museum in
622 "TOW Paul's the Man", and here the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
Have the show's Burbank-based writers not heard of NYC art galleries?
>> I don't know how good or bad Phoebe's Norwegian/Swedish accent was,
>> but I can assure you that her Scottish accent was terrible!
> It sure was.
Right - though Monica's was worse in 604 "TOW Joey Loses His Insurance".
>> So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
>> as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
>> being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
>> motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
>> that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? Not her brother's...
> Was I the only person who thought it was extremely unlikely that a
> doctor's office would give such results over the phone to only one
> member of the couple? Any doctor I know would call the couple in
> for a consultation to deliver such bad news.
That's an excellent point Wendy, I must admit it didn't occur to me.
Maybe you were the only person - at least now there's two of us. :)
>> Did you get the symbolism of the dead barcalounger? While she was
>> alive, Chandler was more sessile than motile, ordering takeaways to
>> be delivered across the hall, to meet a hostile environment in which
>> Monica angrily ejected them to Chandler's apartment. And then when
>> Chandler finally moved into Monica's hospitality, she was hostile to
>> the poor barcalounger, and rejoiced when she finally died...
> I think you may be taking this show way too seriously.
On the other hand, my tongue may be in my cheek sometimes. ;)
>> There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
>> pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
>> if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
> In any event, when the show wants Monica to get pregnant, she'll get
> pregnant, and I'll predict now that it will be in the series finale.
But earlier if Courteney does?
> PS: The appearance of Janice was absolutely brilliant.
Absolutely, I so agree.
I liked the way we had Brash Janice, then Seventh Friend Janice.
> Just when you thought she wasn't going to make it into S9.
Hehe, she came two episodes earlier than last year... :)
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote:
> Despite wearing pink lacies, Tennant Stuart looked like a real
> lumberjack when saying:
>> Well, for starters those two Germans *do *have their differences, for
>> example the German German for Saturday is "Samstag", while the
>> Austrian German for Saturday is "Sonnabend".
> There are differences, but that one isn't one of them. Both Samstag and
> Sonnabend are used up here in the north.
Really? That's what I get for learning Hoch Deutsch in England, then
working only in Bavaria, with the odd trip to Austria & Switzerland.
> Point of the original poster was presumably that while there may be
> differences they are minute
Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with that.
What differences are there, then?
Phlossy
yet.... My apologies...
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Belphoebe
> Ross valiantly passes up this opportunity to swoop in, and instead he
> insists that she should give Joey another chance; since he's a really
> great guy, while she can always talk art with somebody else. Charlie
> thanks him, and happily steps out with her new boyfriend once more.
I was glad to see Ross the good friend in that scene. He could have
undermined Joey, but he didn't. Yay! :)
> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
Depends on the episode and the ending. But I liked this one.
Those
> happily married Bings have been heading for something like this for
> a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard. However, the tale
> was invigorated by this season's appearance of Janice Littman, for
> Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form. CnM fans must be hoping that
> Janice's prediction comes true - there are several possibilities.
I enjoyed this Janice appearance. While she began in a typically mocking
mode, she became serious and supportive. She has a good heart.
> However, Joey & Ross once again proved what a tremendous duo they
> can be, with both actors punching above their weight. Though Charlie
> is little more than a cute prop, she catalysed some marvellous scenes
> between the guys, giving Matt LeBlanc a chance to show what Joey can
> do, and enabling David Schwimmer to give us back the Ross we want.
For sure, and it seems as the Ross and Joey are more "best buds" now than
Chandler and Joey.
> Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
> Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
> being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
Yes--Emma does still exist, after all!
> Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
> episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
> door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
Don't know; I was wondering that, myself.
> Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
> has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
Sure. (Though I confess I do this myself sometimes. I *know* the
difference, but sometimes I *want* them to be the other way around, for some
reason!)
> You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
> was a funny line), he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
> who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
> complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
> mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
He *has to* be able to memorize lines, since he's an actor. I wonder
whether he used his "smell the fart" technique while discussing art.
> Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
Well, others have already responded that we do both. Don't you have art
museums in the UK? It's sort of like asking, "Why do Americans shelve books
in libraries, and not in book stores?" It's not a perfect analogy, since I
can't walk into the Met and check out a painting to use at home for a week,
but then again, musueums *do* lend their collections out to other museums. .
. .
Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections called
galleries.
> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
Ugh, because "Cyrano" knock-offs have been done waaaaaayyyy too often in
sitcoms.
Because this would have
> made this episode even more similar to an episode of "Coupling"?
I've never seen that show, so can't address that. . . .
>As
> it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility Clinic
> episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much ruder.
Well, I'll watch for it if it ever makes it to U.S. TV. (Does it have
ridiculously short seasons [or rather "series"] as _Black Adder_ did?)
> So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
> on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
> like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
But she does have a history of being somewhat clueless about celebrities.
For example, we saw her confusing Demi Moore and Dudley Moore in S2. She
didn't know James Brolin is married to Barbra Streisand in 8.01, plus she
thought Ed Begley, Jr. was gay. Oh, and she didn't know what Ralph Lauren
looks like. I think I'm probably forgetting some other examples, as well. .
. .
> And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
> fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
> confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
> kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
Heh heh. I don't know.
> Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
Apparently not. And Phoebe caves somewhat easily about her principles (cf
Pottery Barn, and eating meat while pregnant).
> What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
> but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
She has a sort of affectless, robotic quality.
> Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
> massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
> revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
> party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
> long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
I thought the implication was that this chain pays better than the small,
independent parlors do.
> Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
> abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
See above!
> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
Would it have occurred to you to ask were you not friends with Marita? ;)
> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
Her birthday is probably just as flexible as her mother's birthday!
> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
Probably, though I suppose it's possible that it wasn't Ross at all, but
Chandler during a moment of self-disclosure. (Yeah, she got the name of the
restaurant wrong, but it could be that J. just happened to misrmember--or
Chandler misspoke when telling the story.)
> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
I'd rather not think about it.
> So what now, IVF?
[ . . . ]
I won't say anything until you've seen 9.22.
> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
>
> > They (we) hang them in both.
>
> Okay, it's just that the only other venues mentioned in the show IIRC are
> the Museum of Modern Art in 211 "TOW the Lesbian Wedding", the Guggenheim
> Museum in 224 "TOW Barry and Mindy's Wedding", the Morgan Chase Museum in
> 622 "TOW Paul's the Man", and here the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
>
> Have the show's Burbank-based writers not heard of NYC art galleries?
NYC has such a big art scene, there's no way the writers would be oblivious
to the existence of its many art galleries. However, they'd need some
reason to do a story that involves one--for example, someone could be dating
an artist who has a big opening.
Belphoebe
Tennant Stuart
"Phlossy" <ste...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.6b9c1f4bef...@argonet.co.uk...
>> In article <b9e8pp$prc$1...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
>> "Phlossy" <ste...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>> Phlossy, *please* respect the spoiler space, and don't
>> post revealing details about future plots above it.
>> This episode has not yet been shown in Britain.
> I'm sorry about that
Okay. :)
> I did not realize that you had not seen the eppy yet.... My apologies...
I have seen it Phlossy, that's how I was able to write the review.
But millions of people won't see it for another week or so yet,
which is why there was all that spoiler space.
The thing to do, Phlossy, is to stop top-posting. :)
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.ca789e4bee...@argonet.co.uk...
> Well, I'm baaaa-ack! :)
Hellooooooooooooo! :)
I know, this was so good.
But then we've seen before that Joey brings out the best in Ross.
>> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
> Depends on the episode and the ending.
Ooh, which unresolved bleak endings didn't you like then?
> But I liked this one.
Yay. :)
>> Those happily married Bings have been heading for something like this
>> for a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard. However, the
>> tale was invigorated by this season's appearance of Janice Littman, for
>> Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form. CnM fans must be hoping that
>> Janice's prediction comes true - there are several possibilities.
> I enjoyed this Janice appearance. While she began in a typically mocking
> mode, she became serious and supportive. She has a good heart.
This is true. It's like with Janice they squeeze a whole story arc into
just one episode, where over time we would get to know her.
>> However, Joey & Ross once again proved what a tremendous duo they
>> can be, with both actors punching above their weight. Though Charlie
>> is little more than a cute prop, she catalysed some marvellous scenes
>> between the guys, giving Matt LeBlanc a chance to show what Joey can
>> do, and enabling David Schwimmer to give us back the Ross we want.
> For sure, and it seems as the Ross and Joey are more "best buds" now than
> Chandler and Joey.
Absolutely, the dynamic has shifted.
Ross's support group these days consists of Phoebe, Joey, & Monica.
>> Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
>> Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
>> being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
> Yes--Emma does still exist, after all!
It's always good to know these things.
I prefer not to take them on trust, give me a throwaway line, say I.
>> Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
>> episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
>> door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
> Don't know; I was wondering that, myself.
I keep thinking of Gizzy Dillespie... ;)
>> Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
>> has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
> Sure. (Though I confess I do this myself sometimes. I *know* the
> difference, but sometimes I *want* them to be the other way around,
> for some reason!)
Oh, me too!
The feeling is especially strong in the shower, when your eyes are shut
tight against the shampoo, and it feels like your hands change places.
>> You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
>> was a funny line), he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
>> who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
>> complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
>> mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
> He *has to* be able to memorize lines, since he's an actor. I wonder
> whether he used his "smell the fart" technique while discussing art.
Lol, I bet he did...
JOEY: Note the painterly lines and subtle impasto on this canvas.
Caravaggio uses (does the smell-the-fart look) chiaroscuro
here to highlight the anguish of the central figure.
>> Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
> Well, others have already responded that we do both. Don't you have art
> museums in the UK? It's sort of like asking, "Why do Americans shelve
> books in libraries, and not in book stores?" It's not a perfect analogy,
> since I can't walk into the Met and check out a painting to use at home
> for a week, but then again, musueums *do* lend their collections out to
> other museums...
Yeah, but it's not like art galleries are *for* selling paintings.
> Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections called
> galleries.
Ooh, that's an excellent point, a gallery is an architectural feature
of a building. I wonder how in Britain galleries came to be buildings
in their own right?
>> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
>> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
> Ugh, because "Cyrano" knock-offs have been done waaaaaayyyy too often in
> sitcoms.
Yes, I guess, we even have a TV show where innocent young women and little
old ladies hammer the guts out of hardened used-car salesman thanks to the
Car Expert de Bergerac on the other end of a secret comm link.
>> Because this would have made this episode even more similar to an
>> episode of "Coupling"?
> I've never seen that show, so can't address that. . . .
It's a rather clever very funny quite rude British sitcom.
NBC were considering it as a replacement for "Friends", but the latest goss
(as just reported on Angel's Friends) is that NBC have decided to show it
in the 9pm Thursday slot, rather than make it too 'Family'. This means that
they have nothing for 8pm in the 8pm slot for the 2004-2005 season.
Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
>> As it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility Clinic
>> episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much ruder.
> Well, I'll watch for it if it ever makes it to U.S. TV. (Does it have
> ridiculously short seasons [or rather "series"] as _Black Adder_ did?)
Actually, we have ridiculously *long* seasons if you divide the number
of episodes by the number of writers that work on them.
Coupling ...... 22 episodes, 1 writer - 22 episodes/writer
Black Adder ... 28 episodes, 2 writers - 14 episodes/writer
Friends ...... 218 episodes, 49 writers - 4˝ episodes/writer
>> So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
>> on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
>> like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
> But she does have a history of being somewhat clueless about celebrities.
This is true.
> For example, we saw her confusing Demi Moore and Dudley Moore in S2. She
> didn't know James Brolin is married to Barbra Streisand in 8.01, plus she
> thought Ed Begley, Jr. was gay. Oh, and she didn't know what Ralph Lauren
> looks like. I think I'm probably forgetting some other examples, as well.
That's not the same as being conned though, is it?
>> And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
>> fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
>> confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
>> kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
> Heh heh. I don't know.
Could it be her sense of humour?
>> Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
> Apparently not. And Phoebe caves somewhat easily about her principles (cf
> Pottery Barn, and eating meat while pregnant).
Yes.
Maybe Phoebe's principles are there to serve her, not the other way round.
>> What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
>> but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
> She has a sort of affectless, robotic quality.
Well, anyone who invents a robot like her will make their fortune...
>> Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
>> massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
>> revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
>> party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
>> long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
> I thought the implication was that this chain pays better than the
> small, independent parlors do.
Well yes, but what about her licence?
>> Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
>> abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
> See above!
See above!
>> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
>> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
> Would it have occurred to you to ask were you not friends with Marita? ;)
You're quite right, it wouldn't have.
Marita & I (on her behalf as a friend) still await Norway's first mention.
>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
> Her birthday is probably just as flexible as her mother's birthday!
Well, if Emma was to suddenly get two years younger, then Rachel would
find herself being pre-pregnant. (Is there a better word for that?)
>> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
>> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
> Probably, though I suppose it's possible that it wasn't Ross at all, but
> Chandler during a moment of self-disclosure. (Yeah, she got the name of
> the restaurant wrong, but it could be that J. just happened to
> misrmember--or Chandler misspoke when telling the story.)
But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
>> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
>> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
> I'd rather not think about it.
Worried about the chocolate?
>> So what now, IVF?
> [ . . . ]
> I won't say anything until you've seen 9.22.
Okay, I'll look forward to your reply to my 922 review, Belphoebe. :)
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
Well, that it is how it looks.
> However, they'd need some reason to do a story that involves one--
Yes! I think it's time for another of Phoebe's undiscovered talents!
> for example, someone could be dating an artist who has a big opening.
LOL...
JOEY: C'mon, you guys. This is a real movie, and Al Pacino's in
it, and that's big!
CHANDLER: Oh no, it's terrific, you deserve this, after all your
years of struggling, you've finally been able to crack
your way into show business.
JOEY: Okay, okay, fine! Make jokes, I don't care! This is a big
break for me!
ROSS: You're right, it is... So you gonna invite us all to the
big opening?
Belphoebe
> In article <bE9wa.155573$5f4....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.ca789e4bee...@argonet.co.uk...
>
>
> But then we've seen before that Joey brings out the best in Ross.
And, in Chandler's case, he brings out if not his worst, then certainly his
most sarcastic side. . . . .
> >> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
>
> > Depends on the episode and the ending.
>
> Ooh, which unresolved bleak endings didn't you like then?
Oh, I wasn't thinking of a specific episode. Hmm, off the top of my head
the only thing that comes to mind was when Paul and Jamie had marital
trouble on _Mad About You_.
> > I enjoyed this Janice appearance. While she began in a typically
mocking
> > mode, she became serious and supportive. She has a good heart.
>
> This is true. It's like with Janice they squeeze a whole story arc into
> just one episode, where over time we would get to know her.
True. Heck, I liked her back in season three when she and Chandler were
dating. And I was sorry to see her relegated to "annoying Janice" in season
four.
> >> Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
> >> Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
> >> being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
>
> > Yes--Emma does still exist, after all!
>
> It's always good to know these things.
>
> I prefer not to take them on trust, give me a throwaway line, say I.
Agreed. How hard would it be to include a small line indicating where she
is?
> >> Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
> >> episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
> >> door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
>
> > Don't know; I was wondering that, myself.
>
> I keep thinking of Gizzy Dillespie... ;)
:)
> >> Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
> >> has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
>
> > Sure. (Though I confess I do this myself sometimes. I *know* the
> > difference, but sometimes I *want* them to be the other way around,
> > for some reason!)
>
> Oh, me too!
Oh, good--then I don't feel so bad. :)
>
> The feeling is especially strong in the shower, when your eyes are shut
> tight against the shampoo, and it feels like your hands change places.
I sometimes catch myself doing in when giving directions, but I always
realize I'm doing it and correct myself in time.
> > He *has to* be able to memorize lines, since he's an actor. I wonder
> > whether he used his "smell the fart" technique while discussing art.
>
> Lol, I bet he did...
>
> JOEY: Note the painterly lines and subtle impasto on this canvas.
> Caravaggio uses (does the smell-the-fart look) chiaroscuro
> here to highlight the anguish of the central figure.
Hee hee. Yes! That's exactly when he'd do it. I can picture it, with
poor, hapless Joey standing in front of the wrong painting. . . .
Point taken about the work each writer does (I had no idea!). But how many
episodes are in each season of _Coupling_?
> >> So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
> >> on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
> >> like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
>
> > But she does have a history of being somewhat clueless about
celebrities.
>
> This is true.
>
> > For example, we saw her confusing Demi Moore and Dudley Moore in S2.
She
> > didn't know James Brolin is married to Barbra Streisand in 8.01, plus
she
> > thought Ed Begley, Jr. was gay. Oh, and she didn't know what Ralph
Lauren
> > looks like. I think I'm probably forgetting some other examples, as
well.
>
> That's not the same as being conned though, is it?
Kenny the copy guy conned her into thinking he was Ralph Lauren:
Phoebe: Why would the copy guy say he was Ralph Lauren?
Rachel: To get you to make out with him!!!
Phoebe: Ohhh.
> >> And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
> >> fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
> >> confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
> >> kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
>
> > Heh heh. I don't know.
>
> Could it be her sense of humour?
Sounds plausible. :)
> >> Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
>
> > Apparently not. And Phoebe caves somewhat easily about her principles
(cf
> > Pottery Barn, and eating meat while pregnant).
>
> Yes.
>
> Maybe Phoebe's principles are there to serve her, not the other way round.
Yes, that seems about right. So they're quite flexible.
> >> What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
> >> but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
>
> > She has a sort of affectless, robotic quality.
>
> Well, anyone who invents a robot like her will make their fortune...
Maybe she *is* a robot--the M.A.C. and Cheese guy's most recent, most
sophisticated work.
> >> Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
> >> massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
> >> revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
> >> party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
> >> long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
>
> > I thought the implication was that this chain pays better than the
> > small, independent parlors do.
>
> Well yes, but what about her licence?
I have no idea.
> Marita & I (on her behalf as a friend) still await Norway's first mention.
Maybe in S10. Though I suspect she'd prefer no mention at all to some
poorly done, botched job (I'm thinking of the reaction Nederlanders had to
the Dutch woman in TOW the Football).
> >> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
> >> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
>
> > Her birthday is probably just as flexible as her mother's birthday!
>
> Well, if Emma was to suddenly get two years younger, then Rachel would
> find herself being pre-pregnant. (Is there a better word for that?)
Heh. Nope, I can't think of a better word. Though with a sitcom baby, it's
more likely we'd see her suddenly get two years older. :(
> >> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
> >> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
>
> > Probably, though I suppose it's possible that it wasn't Ross at all, but
> > Chandler during a moment of self-disclosure. (Yeah, she got the name of
> > the restaurant wrong, but it could be that J. just happened to
> > misrmember--or Chandler misspoke when telling the story.)
>
> But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
Sure, that's why the "probably." But I'm offering a *possible* alternative.
> >> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
> >> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
>
> > I'd rather not think about it.
>
> Worried about the chocolate?
No, just the general ickiness. I noticed Marita had the same reaction I
did. :)
> >> So what now, IVF?
>
> > [ . . . ]
>
> > I won't say anything until you've seen 9.22.
>
> Okay, I'll look forward to your reply to my 922 review, Belphoebe. :)
Okay, I'll watch for it. . . .
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
Shoot--I forgot to respond to this part (I knew I should've proofread!).
> >> Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
>
> > Well, others have already responded that we do both. Don't you have art
> > museums in the UK? It's sort of like asking, "Why do Americans shelve
> > books in libraries, and not in book stores?" It's not a perfect analogy,
> > since I can't walk into the Met and check out a painting to use at home
> > for a week, but then again, musueums *do* lend their collections out to
> > other museums...
>
> Yeah, but it's not like art galleries are *for* selling paintings.
Maybe that's another major difference between the U.S, and the U.K.--here,
galleries *are* *for* selling paintings. Sure, people show up to look at
art and not necessarily buy, but for the artist and the gallery owner, it's
all about the selling!
> > Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections
called
> > galleries.
>
> Ooh, that's an excellent point, a gallery is an architectural feature
> of a building. I wonder how in Britain galleries came to be buildings
> in their own right?
I don't know, but galleries also exist as buildings in their own right here.
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
Once when I was living in NYC, I was taking the subway home, and at the
Chinatown stop, an old woman got on, sat down, opened one of her plastic
bags, and proceeded to shuck corn, Now, just because this has never
happened on an episode of _Friends_ doesn't mean the writers are not aware
that such things happen! ;)
> > However, they'd need some reason to do a story that involves one--
>
> Yes! I think it's time for another of Phoebe's undiscovered talents!
Or Rachel's (since JA paints in real life).
> > for example, someone could be dating an artist who has a big opening.
>
> LOL...
[. . . ]
> ROSS: You're right, it is... So you gonna invite us all to the
> big opening?
Heh heh. :)
Belphoebe
Tennant Stuart
bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2003 23:08:02 BST, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> yeah, that's true. if i remember well, there are two different
>>> norwegian, the one u're talking about and another one.
>> Doesn't that make three different languages; Norwegian, Trøndersk,
>> and another one?
> No, there are two different languages (Bokmål and Nynorsk), while
> Trøndersk is merely a dialect.
Oh, that's right.
I'm glad you're here to answer that properly, Marita. :)
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.93a4d14bf2...@argonet.co.uk...
That's okay. :)
>>>> Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
>>> Well, others have already responded that we do both. Don't you have
>>> art museums in the UK? It's sort of like asking, "Why do Americans
>>> shelve books in libraries, and not in book stores?" It's not a perfect
>>> analogy, since I can't walk into the Met and check out a painting to
>>> use at home for a week, but then again, musueums *do* lend their
>>> collections out to other museums...
>> Yeah, but it's not like art galleries are *for* selling paintings.
> Maybe that's another major difference between the U.S, and the
> U.K.--here, galleries *are* *for* selling paintings. Sure, people show
> up to look at art and not necessarily buy, but for the artist and the
> gallery owner, it's all about the selling!
Ah, that's the difference then.
We have private galleries where paintings are sold, but they're just
shops compared to a proper gallery which is hundreds of times larger,
and they would just be known by the name of the establishment like
any other shop, not The Something Gallery.
Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
>>> Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections
>>> called galleries.
>> Ooh, that's an excellent point, a gallery is an architectural feature
>> of a building. I wonder how in Britain galleries came to be buildings
>> in their own right?
> I don't know, but galleries also exist as buildings in their own right
> here.
Big buildings with important-sounding names that don't sell their stock?
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.98a5474bf2...@argonet.co.uk...
>>>> Have the show's Burbank-based writers not heard of NYC art galleries?
>>> NYC has such a big art scene, there's no way the writers would be
>>> oblivious to the existence of its many art galleries.
>> Well, that it is how it looks.
> Once when I was living in NYC, I was taking the subway home, and at the
> Chinatown stop, an old woman got on, sat down, opened one of her plastic
> bags, and proceeded to shuck corn, Now, just because this has never
> happened on an episode of _Friends_ doesn't mean the writers are not
> aware that such things happen! ;)
Errr... she shucked corn?
Is that like winnowing?
>>> However, they'd need some reason to do a story that involves one--
>> Yes! I think it's time for another of Phoebe's undiscovered talents!
> Or Rachel's (since JA paints in real life).
Really? Oh that would make a good story!
>>> for example, someone could be dating an artist who has a big opening.
>> LOL...
> [. . . ]
>> ROSS: You're right, it is... So you gonna invite us all to the
>> big opening?
> Heh heh. :)
<takes a bow>
Tennant Stuart
bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2003 21:24:55 BST, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> I never suspected that it would be both of them.
> Me neither, although I had a feeling it was coming.
So did I, but not the way it was.
>> 921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
>> The morning after Joey kissed Charlie, Ross seems quite philosophical
>> about it; but Rachel is seething with jealousy - which is not helped
>> by Joey sauntering into Central Perk, holding Charlie's hand.
> Jealous Rachel. Did anybody say deja-vu?
It is very like 201, isn't it? Extrapolating at about 18 eps/season...
0921 "TOW Joey's New Girlfriend", Rachel is jealous of Charlie
1003 "TOW Joey Finds Out", Joey finds out that Rachel is in love with him
1004 "TOW the List", Joey writes a list to choose between Charlie & Rachel
1006 "TOW Carl", Rachel dates a guy named Carl, who looks just like Joey
1010 "TOW the Porn Video", Joey & Rachel finally become a real couple
1011 "TOW Joey and Rachel... You Know", Joey & Rachel do it at a Knicks game
1103 "TOW the Princess Leia Fantasy", Joey dresses up to please Rachel
1108 "TOW the Flashback", Rachel had a crush on Joey when she first moved in
1112 "TOW Rachel Quits", Rachel quits Ralph Lauren to be a housewife
1114 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross is jealous of Joey & Rachel
1117 "TOW Joey and Rachel Take a Break", Joey & Rachel go to the Poconos
1118 "TOT Morning After", Joey nurses Rachel's hangover
1119 "TO Without the Ski Trip", Rachel is too ill to go skiing
1201-1218 Season 12 is all about Ben Geller & Brittany Bing
1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
1308 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", Rachel buys her new wedding dress
1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
1313/4 "TOW Joey's Wedding", At last the happy day for Joey & Rachel
1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
>> Ross hides his attraction to Charlie, who apologises for going off
>> with someone else at the party, yet she can't disguise that what she
>> really likes about Joey is his sexual magnetism, not his intellect.
> It seems to be a recurring theme at the moment. Both Rachel and
> Charlie are attracted to him, but it's all physical.
Yeah, except that one of them is lying to her friends.
>> But for such an intelligent woman, Charlie has little idea of how to
>> relate to Joey. Instead of discovering his world, or even opening his
>> eyes to a higher culture, she lets him flounder out of his depth.
> I don't think she meant anything by it, though.
I agree, she's a nice woman, just not very bright out of her field.
> She just talked about what she wanted to see, and given her background,
> it's not odd that she wanted to go to the Met.
The Met/Mets thing should have made her think on.
> But you're right in saying that she could have tried something else for
> a change. Besides, a baseball-game can be lots of fun.
Absolutely, they always look like fun for Homer.
>> Joey turns to Ross, who demonstrates his good virtue by teaching his
>> best friend exactly what to say to her. Joey is an apt pupil, soaking
>> up the art of talking about famous painters, without having a clue of
>> what it all means - but impressing Ross that he learns so quickly.
> It was so sweet of Ross to choose to be a good friend in this story.
> It's obvious who she should be with, but it's nice that he's decided
> to take the high road for once.
Exactly, his brownie point meter was spinning round here.
>> However, Charlie isn't fooled in the slightest, since Joey took a
>> wrong turn at the museum, and he eloquently talked about the wrong
>> paintings. She admits to Ross that Joey is not the man for her, and
>> reveals that what she wants is someone she has more in common with.
> The first sign that she won't be staying for long?
Could be - Joey should know he's just a rebound guy. Maybe he does.
>> Ross valiantly passes up this opportunity to swoop in, and instead he
>> insists that she should give Joey another chance; since he's a really
>> great guy, while she can always talk art with somebody else. Charlie
>> thanks him, and happily steps out with her new boyfriend once more.
> Ross was so lovely in this scene. No sign of MCB or Mental Geller, he
> was just being a great friend.
I know! This is the way Ross should be always!
>> Rachel receives a gift certificate from a new spa, but Phoebe objects
>> to corporate massage chains, then rips the certificate up. Undaunted,
>> Rachel tapes it back together, to go to the spa for a free massage.
> As if Rachel would ever give up anything that's free.
Too true, sweetie, it's just not in her nature.
>> However, Phoebe is secretly working there, despite her principles,
>> since they pay good money. Essaying an accent, she instructs Rachel
>> to put her face in the hole of the table, then lets her assume that
>> she's Swedish - but Rachel recognises Phoebe's new shoes.
> It's probably because I'm Scandinavian and have been to Sweden dozens
> of times, but the Sweden jokes had me in stitches. Sweden is great. :)
Oh yay, but what a near miss for you, sweetie.
If only Rachel hadn't said that, Norway missed her chance again. :(
>> Revealing she knows the truth, Rachel confronts her, prompting her to
>> quit the spa for her principles. Phoebe agrees, but she's lying again,
>> and returns to work the next day. Thus when she sees that her first
>> client is Rachel Green, Phoebe pretends to be Scottish!
> Apparently, money is more important than principles. I wonder if she
> changed her shoes this time around.
Ooh, so did I, that question comes up later on.
>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>> it's time for a fertility test. At the clinic, he's very nervous about
>> depositing a specimen in a cup, so she assures him there's nothing to
>> be embarrassed about, since nobody there knows them. In walks Janice.
> A so-called "surprise" the NBC promos had revealed a week earlier.
You know Marita, I'm quite convinced that the NBC promos are ruining
everyone's enjoyment of the show. From what I'm hearing later on, all
the best bits are put in the promo, so there's no need for the casual
viewers to watch the actual episode, which hurts the ratings.
> But then again, Janice is always funny, so it didn't ruin anything about
> the story.
Yes, she was so great.
> Fortunately, they didn't reveal too much about the ending.
Good, but that was a downbeat thing, though.
>> Janice has come to get her husband Sid checked out, but the Bings
>> cannot believe their bad luck, especially when subjected to Janice's
>> most braying laughs, and then she offers to give Chandler a hand!
> You'd think that Sid would need to go to an ear-doctor instead of a
> fertility clinic after being married to Janice...
RPGOL!!!
I think he's been putting his ears in some unmentionable place
to deaden the noise, which is why Aaron is an only child...
>> But once Chandler has made his contribution, he relaxes, and finds
>> Janice to be pleasant company. Though she warns him that getting the
>> results is the hard part, she assures him that he & Monica will be
>> just fine, since they were meant to have children.
> I never thought Janice and Chandler would be able to have a sweet
> scene together after the whole Yemen-fiasco, but it was really nice of
> her to reassure him here.
Yes indeed, since they didn't even meet in Seasons 5 & 6, and didn't
have any quality time in Seasons 7 & 8. But she was good with Rachel
at the maternity ward, telling her a few (unreassuring) home truths.
> Now the writers only have to come up with a way of bringing her back in
> season 10.
Easy - it's about time she won her hat trick!
>> Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
>> low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
>> to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
>> solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
> What a wonderful scene for Monica and Chandler, and it's great to see
> them having to deal with an intriguing storyline for once.
Absolutely, this is the sort of story I've asking for them.
> It was definitely the best scene of the season so far, and CC and MP
> deserve kudos for their work. Even fans who hate C+M liked this scene,
> and that is a rare occurrence indeed.
Gosh, that about settles it.
> It was heartbreaking to see how Chandler tried to ease the blow by
> making a joke,
The barcalounger thing?
Will you ever feel the same way about yours again?
I thought it also neatly summed up their history, in a silly way; while
actually conveying the medical situation for viewers who need the help.
And on the far side of the 4th wall, yes I do think it helped Monica.
> and then hugging her in order to help them handle the news.
This is where the couple work so well, the antithesis of WTWT.
> Granted, it's a sitcom, but I had tears in my eyes when the credits
> came on. It was so sad. :(
Awww... {{{{Marita}}}}
>> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings? Those
>> happily married Bings have been heading for something like this for
>> a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard. However, the tale
>> was invigorated by this season's appearance of Janice Littman, for
>> Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form. CnM fans must be hoping that
>> Janice's prediction comes true - there are several possibilities.
> It was a brilliant storyline that I knew was coming, but I had no idea
> that they were both going to be at fault.
Me too, it was a shock.
> I'm glad it was the both of them,
Yes, otherwise it could have turned nasty.
> though, since I'd thought that Chandler was the one with "slow
> swimmers." (Eerily similar to what Joey said in 801, BTW.)
Well, of course it was that remark which had us both convinced was
foreshadowing, and how right we were.
> However, seeing that they decided to keep trying, this might bring
> them even closer together.
Grin, you mean Monica will remember to tell him about parties? ;)
> I agree with Janice that they're meant to have children, so in this day
> and age, I'm sure they can find a way.
Absolutely.
> And if nothing else works out, I'm sure Phoebe, Joey or Rachel will be
> willing to help them.
Or Ross - it's not incestuous if Monica's eggs are not involved.
Don't forget that both Phoebe & Joey might also be infertile.
>> Meanwhile, Rachel's story leapt to a promising start for JnR fans,
>> then rather lost its way in a slight piece that deserved better.
> I thought it was quite amusing actually. It gave us some comedy to
> lighten up all the drama.
Well, "quite amusing" was about it. There was no hilarity.
> Rachel wondering about the capital of Sweden was just too funny. :)
Hehe, tailor-made for expat Scandinavians; and another JnR foreshadow.
>> However, Joey & Ross once again proved what a tremendous duo they
>> can be, with both actors punching above their weight. Though Charlie
>> is little more than a cute prop, she catalysed some marvellous scenes
>> between the guys, giving Matt LeBlanc a chance to show what Joey can
>> do, and enabling David Schwimmer to give us back the Ross we want.
> Exactly. Ross and Joey were wonderful together, and if Charlie brings
> this forward in both of them, she should stay for a long time.
Ah, but Ross will have to be an even nicer guy if Joey & Rachel get
together, and possibly all over again if he ends up with Phoebe.
>> Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
>> Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
>> being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
> Well, a stroller is hardly a baby, but I have a new theory about this
The main thing is that the baby has not gone the way of the farm birds.
> However, that will have to wait until after 922.
Ooh, intriguement!
>> Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
>> episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
>> door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
> Yeah, I wondered about that one too.
I keep thinking of Gizzy Dillespie... ;)
>> Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
>> has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
> Could be. It would be another explanation why he never was a straight
> A-student in high-school and was more interested in other things.
Yeah, although those other things can be pretty damnedy distracting...
>> You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
>> was a funny line), he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
>> who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
>> complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
>> mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
> Well, it's his job, for which he has even received critical acclaim
> (i.e. the Soapie nomination).
Of course. I'm just saying that he's being most self-effacing.
>> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
>> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian? Because this would have
>> made this episode even more similar to an episode of "Coupling"? As
>> it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility Clinic
>> episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much ruder.
> And unlike this episode, "Coupling" had a happy ending as well.
Actually two happy endings, Jane's being more like Monica's...
> Speaking of which, I saw a clip of the American version of "Coupling"
> the other day, and while the language was just as rude, they bleeped
> it out. Also, one of the actresses complained about the storylines
> being so raunchy. "What am I going to do? My friends from church are
> in the audience at this taping!" Hmm..
Oh dear, that doesn't sound good.
Most people in Britain don't even say things like "from church",
let alone have friends who do things like actually go there.
But at least it seems that "Coupling USA" is going to be sufficiently
racy (in American terms) that it's going to be on at 9:30pm, which
means that it's not a replacement for "Friends". S11 beckons...
>> When Phoebe enters the apartment, look out for Rachel folding some
>> baby clothes, another little hint about Emma's existence.
> Well, she has to be somewhere..
Okay, so where are Dick & Yasmine?
>> So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
>> on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
>> like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
> I wouldn't go that far. Just because she isn't entirely up to date on
> what's going on in the world of showbiz doesn't mean that she's
> stupid. She has shown signs of this lack of knowledge in the past as
> well.
I think you're right, but which signs exactly?
>> And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
>> fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
>> confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
>> kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
> Was it really that odd? OTTOMH she did the same thing in 817, only
> Chandler was on the receiving end.
The "two copies of Annie" thing?
>> What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
>> but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
> She did sound weird. It was the sound of her voice.
Okay, but she wasn't stop-you-in-your-tracks weird, was she?
>> Mind you, couldn't you just listen to Jennifer Aniston's honeyed
>> tones saying "through the glass doors" all day?
> I was more amused by her, "alrighty then!" A very obvious hint to her
> upcoming movie with Jim Carrey.
What what? How do you mean?
>> On the other hand, why does Rachel have to go back through the glass
>> doors, when that means going outside the reception area?
> To get away from all the microphones?
Lol
>> Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
>> massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
>> revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
>> party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
>> long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
> Or Phoebe could have been lying in 919.
She could, but why did she?
Because she needed an excuse to sing outside Javu's?
>> Phoebe looks so good in her starched white uniform, doesn't she?
> She sure does.
Yep.
>> But with her hair up like that, does she remind you of a pineapple?
> No!
Lol, she does!
Compare the way her pony tail sprouts up, just like the leaves in 919.
>> Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
>> abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
> Yes, it is. Pottery Barn, anyone?
Ooh, good call. I was just thinking of 711.
>> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
>> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
> LOL! Well, I guess Americans could have thought it was a Norwegian
> accent, but it wasn't. Most foreigners have no idea how to tell the
> difference between Scandinavian accents anyway, so it's not just the
> Americans. But it was definitely more Swedish than Norwegian.
Are you talking about most of the time Phoebe was talking, or
just the very first bit before Rachel assumed it was Swedish?
> However, while her knowledge of Sweden and her Swedish accent were
> pretty good, her rendition of the national anthem was horrible. I feel
> bad for the Swedes since their national anthem actually is a beautiful
> song.
And slightly relieved that she wasn't murdering yours? :)
>> Is it just me, or does Rachel look incredibly beautiful with her face
>> in the hole? Is it because she looks like a medieval princess?
> When I first saw her shocked face in the promo, I thought she looked
> like a nun.
To be honest, a nun was my first choice, but that seemed inappropriate.
>> And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
>> to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
> Or it could be that she is so-called "normal."
Could be.
> I'm afraid people's knowledge of other countries is pretty horrible in
> most cases. ("Norway is the capital of Sweden, right?" "What does the
> British flag look like?")
LOL, all I know is the American engineers I meet are very knowledgeable.
>> Phoebe says the spa gives her a four-oh-wonk, which is obviously her
>> way of saying 401-K. So does this mean that Chandler eventually told
>> her that it was a tax advantaged retirement plan, and not a robot?
> Or maybe she's just working to get that robot.
Hehe, that's what working in reception, right?
>> When Phoebe goes back to work the next day, is she still wearing
>> her Shania Twain shoes?
> That's what I was wondering about.
Can you see?
I think they're the same colour.
>> I don't know how good or bad Phoebe's Norwegian/Swedish accent was,
>> but I can assure you that her Scottish accent was terrible!
> I had a feeling it was awful.
Your feeling was spot-on.
>> In the evening, wearing the same clothes as that morning, Monica asks
>> Chandler what they're doing tonight. Since sex is out of the equation,
>> why didn't he tell his wife that he's taking her & Phoebe to see the
>> one-woman play? This was all the day after the party, yet the previous
>> episode ended with the trio at the theatre. Of course, that could've
>> been on a further night, but they would have not been in the mood..
> The time-line was all messed up here, but they don't care.
Precisely.
>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
> Why should she get a birthday-episode when her uncle has only had 1/2?
Hah, you're being too kind, I reckon Chandler hasn't had any.
>> When Chandler says he has a weird feeling about the clinic, is
>> that his stand-in sitting by the door?
> I doubt it.
Okay.
>> Would I be right to suspect that a fertility test should be far more
>> troubling for a woman than it is for a man? An invasive vaginal exam
>> does not sound like a picnic in the park to me.
> Doesn't "invasive" say it all?
Well yes, but a vagina is kinda designed to be invaded, yes?
Compare with, say, an invasive lung exam.
>> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
>> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
> It had to be. Plus, "It was a Wendy's!!" ;)
> I thought it was a little weird to use "Wendy's" in that joke, but as
> I thought about it, I realised that it could also be a *big* sign as
> to where this storyline is going. The founder of Wendy's was after all
> Dave Thomas, and... http://www.davethomasfoundationforadoption.org/
Oh, very clever!
And what did Chandler say to the woman he met in Central Perk, in 214?
CHANDLER: I know what you're thinking, Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's.
>> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
>> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
> I don't even want to think about it.
That's what Belphoebe said!
Are you worried about the chocolate?
>> Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>> shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but that's not to
>> say that it cannot happen. More significant is what this means to the
>> overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
>> are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
>> surely would have happened if only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
> Exactly. I heard some spoilers saying he was infertile a couple of
> weeks ago, but then it turned out it was the both of them. Otherwise,
> it could have been very tough on their relationship.
Might Monica have been tempted to dump him? (224)
Or go looking elsewhere? (716)
>> So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
>> as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
>> being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
>> motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
>> that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? Not her brother's...
> I heard somebody say that IVF won't work in their case.
It would if a sperm was artificially injected into an egg.
>> There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
>> pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
>> if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
> I've heard some rumours about season 10, so I'll shut up now.
Okay thanks, though none of S10 will have been written yet, I guess.
>> Did you get the symbolism of the dead barcalounger? While she was
>> alive, Chandler was more sessile than motile, ordering takeaways to
>> be delivered across the hall, to meet a hostile environment in which
>> Monica angrily ejected them to Chandler's apartment. And then when
>> Chandler finally moved into Monica's hospitality, she was hostile to
>> the poor barcalounger, and rejoiced when she finally died...
> Okay... I didn't think of *that*, but Chandler's joke was funny. :)
Absolutely, sweetie. :)
Belphoebe
I've never heard anyone apply "winnowing" to corn, but since one of its
definitions is to remove the inedible parts, I guess one could. Shucking
corn is peeling off the husks.
> >>> However, they'd need some reason to do a story that involves one--
>
> >> Yes! I think it's time for another of Phoebe's undiscovered talents!
>
> > Or Rachel's (since JA paints in real life).
>
> Really? Oh that would make a good story!
They should do it next season. Oh, and here was a tidbit from IMDb's trivia
on her:
"When she was 11, a painting she'd done was displayed in the Metropolitan
Museum of Art." (Too bad it wasn't still there for Joey and Charlie to
see.)
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
Phew, thanks. :)
> >> Yeah, but it's not like art galleries are *for* selling paintings.
>
> > Maybe that's another major difference between the U.S, and the
> > U.K.--here, galleries *are* *for* selling paintings. Sure, people show
> > up to look at art and not necessarily buy, but for the artist and the
> > gallery owner, it's all about the selling!
>
> Ah, that's the difference then.
>
> We have private galleries where paintings are sold, but they're just
> shops compared to a proper gallery which is hundreds of times larger,
> and they would just be known by the name of the establishment like
> any other shop, not The Something Gallery.
Oh, that *is* different. Here, they *are* The Something Gallery.
>
> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
> >>> Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections
> >>> called galleries.
>
> >> Ooh, that's an excellent point, a gallery is an architectural feature
> >> of a building. I wonder how in Britain galleries came to be buildings
> >> in their own right?
>
> > I don't know, but galleries also exist as buildings in their own right
> > here.
>
> Big buildings with important-sounding names that don't sell their stock?
No, smallish buildings called The Something Gallery that do sell their
stock. :)
Belphoebe
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That's right. Chandler makes insulting asides, but Ross helps Joey.
>>>> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
>>> Depends on the episode and the ending.
>> Ooh, which unresolved bleak endings didn't you like then?
> Oh, I wasn't thinking of a specific episode. Hmm, off the top of my head
> the only thing that comes to mind was when Paul and Jamie had marital
> trouble on _Mad About You_.
Ah. Well, my favourite unresolved bleak ending was when Joey slammed the
door on Chandler, at the end of 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the Line"...
JOEY: I will not watch your TV, I will not listen to your stereo, and there's
a cinnamon raisin loaf in the new bread maker that I'm not gonna eat!
You know why?! Because it's all tainted with your betrayal.
>>> I enjoyed this Janice appearance. While she began in a typically
>>> mocking mode, she became serious and supportive. She has a good heart.
>> This is true. It's like with Janice they squeeze a whole story arc into
>> just one episode, where over time we would get to know her.
> True. Heck, I liked her back in season three when she and Chandler were
> dating. And I was sorry to see her relegated to "annoying Janice" in
> season four.
Yeah, though she did get to dump Ross for being too whiny! :)
>>>> Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
>>>> Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
>>>> being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
>>> Yes--Emma does still exist, after all!
>> It's always good to know these things.
>> I prefer not to take them on trust, give me a throwaway line, say I.
> Agreed.
> How hard would it be to include a small line indicating where she is?
Absolutely! And they could film a little scene of a real baby crawling around
on the floor, playing with the farm birds.
>>>> Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
>>>> episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
>>>> door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
>>> Don't know; I was wondering that, myself.
>> I keep thinking of Gizzy Dillespie... ;)
> :)
Grin.
>>>> Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
>>>> has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
>>> Sure. (Though I confess I do this myself sometimes. I *know* the
>>> difference, but sometimes I *want* them to be the other way around,
>>> for some reason!)
>> Oh, me too!
> Oh, good--then I don't feel so bad. :)
You're welcome, sweetie. :)
>> The feeling is especially strong in the shower, when your eyes are shut
>> tight against the shampoo, and it feels like your hands change places.
> I sometimes catch myself doing in when giving directions, but I always
> realize I'm doing it and correct myself in time.
Eep, sometimes I'm not quick enough. It's the road's fault, anyway.
>>> He *has to* be able to memorize lines, since he's an actor. I wonder
>>> whether he used his "smell the fart" technique while discussing art.
>> Lol, I bet he did...
>> JOEY: Note the painterly lines and subtle impasto on this canvas.
>> Caravaggio uses (does the smell-the-fart look) chiaroscuro
>> here to highlight the anguish of the central figure.
> Hee hee. Yes! That's exactly when he'd do it. I can picture it, with
> poor, hapless Joey standing in front of the wrong painting. . . .
I know! And it turned out that he did know he was standing in front of
the wrong painting; his delusion was that he was fooling Charlie.
>>>> As it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility
>>>> Clinic episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much ruder.
>>> Well, I'll watch for it if it ever makes it to U.S. TV. (Does it have
>>> ridiculously short seasons [or rather "series"] as _Black Adder_ did?)
>> Actually, we have ridiculously *long* seasons if you divide the number
>> of episodes by the number of writers that work on them.
>> Coupling ...... 22 episodes, 1 writer - 22 episodes/writer
>> Black Adder ... 28 episodes, 2 writers - 14 episodes/writer
>> Friends ...... 218 episodes, 49 writers - 4˝ episodes/writer
> Point taken about the work each writer does (I had no idea!).
We have the "auteur" system you see. :)
> But how many episodes are in each season of _Coupling_?
Here's a brief episode guide for you...
101 "Flushed"
102 "Size Matters"
103 "Sex, Death & Nudity"
104 "Inferno"
105 "The Girl with Two Breasts"
106 "The Cupboard of Patrick's Love"
201 "The Man with Two Legs"
202 "My Dinner in Hell"
203 "Her Best Friend's Bottom (1)"
204 "The Melty Man Cometh (2)"
205 "Jane and the Truth Snake"
206 "Gotcha"
207 "Dressed"
208 "Naked"
209 "The End of the Line"
301 "Split"
302 "Faithless (1)"
303 "Unconditional Sex (2)"
304 "Remember This"
305 "The Freckle, the Key and the Couple Who Weren't"
306 "The Girl with One Heart"
307 "Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps"
>>> We saw her confusing Demi Moore and Dudley Moore in S2. She didn't
>>> know James Brolin is married to Barbra Streisand in 8.01, plus she
>>> thought Ed Begley, Jr. was gay. Oh, and she didn't know what Ralph
>>> Lauren looks like. I think I'm probably forgetting some other
>>> examples, as well.
>> That's not the same as being conned though, is it?
> Kenny the copy guy conned her into thinking he was Ralph Lauren:
> Phoebe: Why would the copy guy say he was Ralph Lauren?
> Rachel: To get you to make out with him!!!
> Phoebe: Ohhh.
Good point.
>>>> And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
>>>> fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
>>>> confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
>>>> kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
>>> Heh heh. I don't know.
>> Could it be her sense of humour?
> Sounds plausible. :)
Right.
>>>> Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
>>> Apparently not. And Phoebe caves somewhat easily about her principles
>>> (cf Pottery Barn, and eating meat while pregnant).
>> Yes.
>> Maybe Phoebe's principles are there to serve her, not the other way
> round.
> Yes, that seems about right. So they're quite flexible.
Thanks.
>>>> What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
>>>> but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
>>> She has a sort of affectless, robotic quality.
>> Well, anyone who invents a robot like her will make their fortune...
> Maybe she *is* a robot--the M.A.C. and Cheese guy's most recent, most
> sophisticated work.
In that case, it's time to make their fortune...
>>>> Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
>>>> massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
>>>> revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
>>>> party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
>>>> long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
>>> I thought the implication was that this chain pays better than the
>>> small, independent parlors do.
>> Well yes, but what about her licence?
> I have no idea.
Could Phoebe have been lying about the whole licence thing?
>> Marita & I (on her behalf as a friend) still await Norway's first mention.
> Maybe in S10. Though I suspect she'd prefer no mention at all to some
> poorly done, botched job (I'm thinking of the reaction Nederlanders had to
> the Dutch woman in TOW the Football).
True, but a casual mention would be just fine.
>>>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>>>> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
>>> Her birthday is probably just as flexible as her mother's birthday!
>> Well, if Emma was to suddenly get two years younger, then Rachel would
>> find herself being pre-pregnant. (Is there a better word for that?)
> Heh. Nope, I can't think of a better word.
Oh dear, you were my best hope. :(
> Though with a sitcom baby, it's more likely we'd see her suddenly get
> two years older. :(
Yah, like happened with Murphy Brown.
>>>> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
>>>> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
>>> Probably, though I suppose it's possible that it wasn't Ross at all,
>>> but Chandler during a moment of self-disclosure. (Yeah, she got the
>>> name of the restaurant wrong, but it could be that J. just happened to
>>> misremember--or Chandler misspoke when telling the story.)
>> But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
> Sure, that's why the "probably." But I'm offering a *possible*
> alternative.
Yes dear. So, in your possible alternative, Chandler lied about Ross?
>>>> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
>>>> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
>>> I'd rather not think about it.
>> Worried about the chocolate?
> No, just the general ickiness. I noticed Marita had the same reaction I
> did. :)
Yes, I noticed too. :)
>>>> So what now, IVF?
>>> [ . . . ]
>>> I won't say anything until you've seen 9.22.
>> Okay, I'll look forward to your reply to my 922 review, Belphoebe. :)
> Okay, I'll watch for it. . . .
Yeah, and now you've replied to it, but which bit was about IVF?
Tennant Stuart
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>> Errr... she shucked corn?
>> Is that like winnowing?
Ah, by "corn", you meant "maize". :)
>>>>> However, they'd need some reason to do a story that involves one--
>>>> Yes! I think it's time for another of Phoebe's undiscovered talents!
>>> Or Rachel's (since JA paints in real life).
>> Really? Oh that would make a good story!
> They should do it next season.
Yep.
> Oh, and here was a tidbit from IMDb's trivia on her:
> "When she was 11, a painting she'd done was displayed in the Metropolitan
> Museum of Art." (Too bad it wasn't still there for Joey and Charlie to
> see.)
Oh yes, that's right, but it's a most misleading factoid.
She was no prodigy, her painting was one of many by 11yo children.
Belphoebe, did you forget to respond to these two parts as well?
>> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
>> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
> Ugh, because "Cyrano" knock-offs have been done waaaaaayyyy too often
> in sitcoms.
Yes, I guess, we even have a TV show where innocent young women & little
old ladies hammer the guts out of hardened used-car salesman thanks to
the Car-expert de Bergerac on the other end of a secret comm link.
>> Because this would have made this episode even more similar to an
>> episode of "Coupling"?
> I've never seen that show, so can't address that. . . .
It's a rather clever very funny quite rude British sitcom.
NBC were considering it as a replacement for "Friends", but the latest goss
(as reported on Angel's Friends) is that NBC have decided to show it in the
9pm Thursday slot, rather than make it too 'Family'. This means that they
have nothing for 8pm in the 8pm slot for the 2004-2005 season.
Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> Ah. Well, my favourite unresolved bleak ending was when Joey slammed
> the door on Chandler, at the end of 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the
> Line"...
>
> JOEY: I will not watch your TV, I will not listen to your stereo, and
> there's a cinnamon raisin loaf in the new bread maker that I'm
> not gonna eat! You know why?! Because it's all tainted with
> your betrayal.
totally pointless remark coming up:
ahhh, the glory days of S4... It was just the best thing since sliced bread,
wasn't it? ;)
Charles Blair
SPOILER
I still predict Chandler & Monica will have a baby in the usual
way, but maybe they will either adopt one of Janice's
children, or get her to be a surrogate mother?
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
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>>> Shoot--I forgot to respond to this part (I knew I should've
> proofread!).
>> That's okay. :)
> Phew, thanks. :)
YW
>>>> Yeah, but it's not like art galleries are *for* selling paintings.
>>> Maybe that's another major difference between the U.S, and the
>>> U.K.--here, galleries *are* *for* selling paintings. Sure, people show
>>> up to look at art and not necessarily buy, but for the artist and the
>>> gallery owner, it's all about the selling!
>> Ah, that's the difference then.
>> We have private galleries where paintings are sold, but they're just
>> shops compared to a proper gallery which is hundreds of times larger,
>> and they would just be known by the name of the establishment like
>> any other shop, not The Something Gallery.
> Oh, that *is* different. Here, they *are* The Something Gallery.
Like say, The National Portrait Gallery?
>> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
> Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
That would be like The Tate Gallery and The Tate Modern.
>>>>> Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections
>>>>> called galleries.
>>>> Ooh, that's an excellent point, a gallery is an architectural feature
>>>> of a building. I wonder how in Britain galleries came to be buildings
>>>> in their own right?
>>> I don't know, but galleries also exist as buildings in their own right
>>> here.
>> Big buildings with important-sounding names that don't sell their stock?
> No, smallish buildings called The Something Gallery that do sell their
> stock. :)
Ah, painting shops.
As opposed to paint shops.
Tennant Stuart
c-b...@uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) wrote:
> I still predict Chandler & Monica will have a baby in the usual way,
Well yes, but I think that depends on real life, Charles.
> but maybe they will either adopt one of Janice's children, or get
> her to be a surrogate mother?
Lol, that seems unlikely, but it does have comic possibilities!
Tennant Stuart
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>> Ah. Well, my favourite unresolved bleak ending was when Joey slammed
>> the door on Chandler, at the end of 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the
>> Line"...
>> JOEY: I will not watch your TV, I will not listen to your stereo, and
>> there's a cinnamon raisin loaf in the new bread maker that I'm
>> not gonna eat! You know why?! Because it's all tainted with
>> your betrayal.
> totally pointless remark coming up:
> ahhh, the glory days of S4... It was just the best thing since sliced
> bread, wasn't it? ;)
Oh, the good episodes were the best thing since Columbus discovered Ohio,
but what about all those bad episodes in Season 4? <shudder>
Belphoebe
> > I've never heard anyone apply "winnowing" to corn, but since one of its
> > definitions is to remove the inedible parts, I guess one could.
Shucking
> > corn is peeling off the husks.
>
> Ah, by "corn", you meant "maize". :)
Oh, okay. I didn't realize it was called "maize" in the UK. How
interesting. As I'm sure you know, that's a Native American word for it.
> > Oh, and here was a tidbit from IMDb's trivia on her [JA]:
>
> > "When she was 11, a painting she'd done was displayed in the
Metropolitan
> > Museum of Art." (Too bad it wasn't still there for Joey and Charlie to
> > see.)
>
> Oh yes, that's right, but it's a most misleading factoid.
>
> She was no prodigy, her painting was one of many by 11yo children.
That *is* misleading. I thought it might be something like that. :)
> Belphoebe, did you forget to respond to these two parts as well?
>
>
> >> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
> >> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
>
> > Ugh, because "Cyrano" knock-offs have been done waaaaaayyyy too often
> > in sitcoms.
>
> Yes, I guess, we even have a TV show where innocent young women & little
> old ladies hammer the guts out of hardened used-car salesman thanks to
> the Car-expert de Bergerac on the other end of a secret comm link.
Ohhh. Nope, I didn't forget to respond--I just didn't have anything to add.
> NBC were considering it as a replacement for "Friends", but the latest
goss
> (as reported on Angel's Friends) is that NBC have decided to show it in
the
> 9pm Thursday slot, rather than make it too 'Family'. This means that they
> have nothing for 8pm in the 8pm slot for the 2004-2005 season.
Yes--according to an article someone posted here, that show will be in the
9:30 slot. I'll check it out,
> Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
Which, of course, you're hoping for. . . . .
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
True. But do you think Joey still considers Chandler his best friend?
> >>>> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
>
> >>> Depends on the episode and the ending.
>
> >> Ooh, which unresolved bleak endings didn't you like then?
>
> > Oh, I wasn't thinking of a specific episode. Hmm, off the top of my
head
> > the only thing that comes to mind was when Paul and Jamie had marital
> > trouble on _Mad About You_.
>
> Ah. Well, my favourite unresolved bleak ending was when Joey slammed the
> door on Chandler, at the end of 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the Line"...
[, , ,]
Yes, that was a good one.
> >>> I enjoyed this Janice appearance. While she began in a typically
> >>> mocking mode, she became serious and supportive. She has a good heart.
>
> >> This is true. It's like with Janice they squeeze a whole story arc into
> >> just one episode, where over time we would get to know her.
>
> > True. Heck, I liked her back in season three when she and Chandler were
> > dating. And I was sorry to see her relegated to "annoying Janice" in
> > season four.
>
> Yeah, though she did get to dump Ross for being too whiny! :)
I know. Poor Ross. That did cause him to snap out of it, though,
> >> I prefer not to take them on trust, give me a throwaway line, say I.
>
> > Agreed.
> > How hard would it be to include a small line indicating where she is?
>
> Absolutely! And they could film a little scene of a real baby crawling
around
> on the floor, playing with the farm birds.
You'd think there would have been something about Rachel being concerned
about the safety of having a rooster and a duck around a crawling baby.
> >> The feeling is especially strong in the shower, when your eyes are shut
> >> tight against the shampoo, and it feels like your hands change places.
>
> > I sometimes catch myself doing in when giving directions, but I always
> > realize I'm doing it and correct myself in time.
>
> Eep, sometimes I'm not quick enough. It's the road's fault, anyway.
Yes, because the roads *should be* the other way around! :)
> >> JOEY: Note the painterly lines and subtle impasto on this canvas.
> >> Caravaggio uses (does the smell-the-fart look) chiaroscuro
> >> here to highlight the anguish of the central figure.
>
> > Hee hee. Yes! That's exactly when he'd do it. I can picture it, with
> > poor, hapless Joey standing in front of the wrong painting. . . .
>
> I know! And it turned out that he did know he was standing in front of
> the wrong painting; his delusion was that he was fooling Charlie.
Yeah, that didn't work out so well. . . .
> >>>> As it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility
> >>>> Clinic episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much
ruder.
>
> > Point taken about the work each writer does (I had no idea!).
>
> We have the "auteur" system you see. :)
Ah, yes. :)
> > But how many episodes are in each season of _Coupling_?
>
> Here's a brief episode guide for you...
>
[. . . ]
Ah, okay--short seasons. Do folks wish them longer, or think of it as a
quality vs. quantity thing?
> >>> We saw her confusing Demi Moore and Dudley Moore in S2. She didn't
> >>> know James Brolin is married to Barbra Streisand in 8.01, plus she
> >>> thought Ed Begley, Jr. was gay. Oh, and she didn't know what Ralph
> >>> Lauren looks like. I think I'm probably forgetting some other
> >>> examples, as well.
>
> >> That's not the same as being conned though, is it?
>
> > Kenny the copy guy conned her into thinking he was Ralph Lauren:
>
> > Phoebe: Why would the copy guy say he was Ralph Lauren?
>
> > Rachel: To get you to make out with him!!!
>
> > Phoebe: Ohhh.
>
> Good point.
Ta. :)
> >> Maybe Phoebe's principles are there to serve her, not the other way
> > round.
>
> > Yes, that seems about right. So they're quite flexible.
>
> Thanks.
YW
> >>>> Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
> >>>> massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
> >>>> revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
> >>>> party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
> >>>> long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
>
> >>> I thought the implication was that this chain pays better than the
> >>> small, independent parlors do.
>
> >> Well yes, but what about her licence?
>
> > I have no idea.
>
> Could Phoebe have been lying about the whole licence thing?
You mean lying about having lost it, or not admitting to her new employer
that she'd lost it?
> >> Marita & I (on her behalf as a friend) still await Norway's first
mention.
>
> > Maybe in S10. Though I suspect she'd prefer no mention at all to some
> > poorly done, botched job (I'm thinking of the reaction Nederlanders had
to
> > the Dutch woman in TOW the Football).
>
> True, but a casual mention would be just fine.
Rachel: Do you like my dress? It's imported from Norway. Oh, and I've
decided my favorite song is the Beatles' "Norwegian Wood."
Phoebe: Cool.. Hey, who wants to go to the Ibsenfest in Central Park?
Ross: Ooh, I do. Did you know he was Norwegian?
How's that? ;)
> >>>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
> >>>> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
>
> >>> Her birthday is probably just as flexible as her mother's birthday!
>
> >> Well, if Emma was to suddenly get two years younger, then Rachel would
> >> find herself being pre-pregnant. (Is there a better word for that?)
>
> > Heh. Nope, I can't think of a better word.
>
> Oh dear, you were my best hope. :(
Sorry!
> > Though with a sitcom baby, it's more likely we'd see her suddenly get
> > two years older. :(
>
> Yah, like happened with Murphy Brown.
Yes, and so many others.
> >>>> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
> >>>> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
>
> >>> Probably, though I suppose it's possible that it wasn't Ross at all,
> >>> but Chandler during a moment of self-disclosure. (Yeah, she got the
> >>> name of the restaurant wrong, but it could be that J. just happened to
> >>> misremember--or Chandler misspoke when telling the story.)
>
> >> But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
>
> > Sure, that's why the "probably." But I'm offering a *possible*
> > alternative.
>
> Yes dear. So, in your possible alternative, Chandler lied about Ross?
Nooooo. Ross told Monica, but didn't tell Janice in my version (or do I
misunderstand what you mean about "lied about Ross"?)
> >>>> And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
> >>>> factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
>
> >>> I'd rather not think about it.
>
> >> Worried about the chocolate?
>
> > No, just the general ickiness. I noticed Marita had the same reaction I
> > did. :)
>
> Yes, I noticed too. :)
The "I'd rather not think about its" have it. :)
> >>>> So what now, IVF?
>
> >>> [ . . . ]
>
> >>> I won't say anything until you've seen 9.22.
>
> >> Okay, I'll look forward to your reply to my 922 review, Belphoebe. :)
>
> > Okay, I'll watch for it. . . .
>
> Yeah, and now you've replied to it, but which bit was about IVF?
Well, the episode dealt with what their options are.
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
> In article <rLBxa.10329$5y5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.5117334bf4...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> >> shops compared to a proper gallery which is hundreds of times larger,
> >> and they would just be known by the name of the establishment like
> >> any other shop, not The Something Gallery.
>
> > Oh, that *is* different. Here, they *are* The Something Gallery.
>
> Like say, The National Portrait Gallery?
Like Montserrat Gallery, Ace Gallery, Cade Denise Gallery, etc. etc.
> >> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
>
> > Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
>
> That would be like The Tate Gallery and The Tate Modern.
I see. . . . . .
> >>>>> Also, it's not unusual for a museum to be subdivided into sections
> >>>>> called galleries.
>
> >>>> Ooh, that's an excellent point, a gallery is an architectural feature
> >>>> of a building. I wonder how in Britain galleries came to be buildings
> >>>> in their own right?
>
> >>> I don't know, but galleries also exist as buildings in their own right
> >>> here.
>
> >> Big buildings with important-sounding names that don't sell their
stock?
>
> > No, smallish buildings called The Something Gallery that do sell their
> > stock. :)
>
> Ah, painting shops.
Don't forget about sculptures, , , , ,
> As opposed to paint shops.
Uh huh.
Belphoebe
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>> We have private galleries where paintings are sold, but they're just
>>>> shops compared to a proper gallery which is hundreds of times larger,
>>>> and they would just be known by the name of the establishment like
>>>> any other shop, not The Something Gallery.
>>> Oh, that *is* different. Here, they *are* The Something Gallery.
>> Like say, The National Portrait Gallery?
> Like Montserrat Gallery, Ace Gallery, Cade Denise Gallery, etc. etc.
What type of gallery are they, and where do their names come from?
>>>> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
>>> Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
>> That would be like The Tate Gallery and The Tate Modern.
> I see. . . . . .
IIRC, that's "Tate" as in Tate & Lyle, the 17/18/19th? century sugar
millionaires of whom the former presumably built up a massive private
collection that was subsequently bequeathed to a grateful nation, or
else he was an early philanthropist. In any case, The Tate Gallery is
not a shop owned by a Mr.Tate that sells paintings to the public.
>> Ah, painting shops.
> Don't forget about sculptures, , , , ,
3D paintings? :)
>> As opposed to paint shops.
> Uh huh.
Yeah, coz that's where your car changes colour.
Tennant Stuart
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>> Ah, by "corn", you meant "maize". :)
> Oh, okay. I didn't realize it was called "maize" in the UK. How
> interesting. As I'm sure you know, that's a Native American word
> for it.
Yeah, we call the American crop by the American name, and you call the
American crop by the name of a totally different European crop. :)
However, such is ubiquity of US culture, it's now more general
to call the resulting food product "corn on the cob" if served
whole, or "sweet corn" if served like yellow peas.
>>> Oh, and here was a tidbit from IMDb's trivia on her [JA]:
>>> "When she was 11, a painting she'd done was displayed in the
>>> Metropolitan Museum of Art." (Too bad it wasn't still there for Joey
>>> and Charlie to see.)
>> Oh yes, that's right, but it's a most misleading factoid.
>> She was no prodigy, her painting was one of many by 11yo children.
> That *is* misleading. I thought it might be something like that. :)
Yep. Spread the word.
>>>> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
>>>> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
>>> Ugh, because "Cyrano" knock-offs have been done waaaaaayyyy too often
>>> in sitcoms.
>> Yes, I guess, we even have a TV show where innocent young women & little
>> old ladies hammer the guts out of hardened used-car salesman thanks to
>> the Car-expert de Bergerac on the other end of a secret comm link.
> Ohhh.
> Nope, I didn't forget to respond--I just didn't have anything to add.
Oh.
> Yes--according to an article someone posted here, "Coupling" will be
> in the 9:30 slot. I'll check it out,
>> Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
> Which, of course, you're hoping for. . . . .
Yep, even if it's crap, because S12 could be great; and even if that
is no better, then there's hope for S13; and so on.
CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
Tennant Stuart
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> But do you think Joey still considers Chandler his best friend?
You missed my 907 review with this point, since you were kinda busy...
Phoebe's best friend is Monica, and Rachel's best friend is Monica.
Chandler's best friend is Monica, and Monica's best friend is Chandler.
Ross's best friend is Joey, and Joey's best friend is Chandler.
..that's IMHO of course, and I think that Joey could be wrong in his
evaluation, but a loyal soul like him would take a long time to switch
his primary allegiance. That he has not done so yet was most clearly
illustrated by the denouement to 918 "TOW the Lottery".
>> My favourite unresolved bleak ending was when Joey slammed the door
>> on Chandler, at the end of 407 "TOW Chandler Crosses the Line"...
> [, , ,]
> Yes, that was a good one.
Right.
>>> True. Heck, I liked her back in season three when she and Chandler
>>> were dating. And I was sorry to see her relegated to "annoying Janice"
>>> in season four.
>> Yeah, though she did get to dump Ross for being too whiny! :)
> I know. Poor Ross. That did cause him to snap out of it, though,
Ah, if only Ross would learn to learn from his experiences.
> You'd think there would have been something about Rachel being concerned
> about the safety of having a rooster and a duck around a crawling baby.
You fear she might tug at their tail feathers?
>>> I sometimes catch myself doing in when giving directions, but I always
>>> realize I'm doing it and correct myself in time.
>> Eep, sometimes I'm not quick enough. It's the road's fault, anyway.
> Yes, because the roads *should be* the other way around! :)
Absolutely!
>>>> JOEY: Note the painterly lines and subtle impasto on this canvas.
>>>> Caravaggio uses (does the smell-the-fart look) chiaroscuro
>>>> here to highlight the anguish of the central figure.
>>> Hee hee. Yes! That's exactly when he'd do it. I can picture it, with
>>> poor, hapless Joey standing in front of the wrong painting. . . .
>> I know! And it turned out that he did know he was standing in front of
>> the wrong painting; his delusion was that he was fooling Charlie.
> Yeah, that didn't work out so well. . . .
That's right, and having already proved that he's a good guy, Ross
then proceeded to be a very good guy, by making Charlie give Joey a
second chance.
> Ah, okay--short seasons. Do folks wish them longer, or think of
> it as a quality vs. quantity thing?
There's much debate on this, with the sensible people hoping for
something in the middle - more of the same, but not so many that
you start getting crap episodes.
For myself, I'm happy to have 20 extra episodes as long as at least
one of those is superb - I'll sigh about the other 19 and move on.
OTOH, my brother-in-law is the hugest fan of "Fawlty Towers", which
had two seasons of six episodes each - and he insists that it would
be totally ruined if there were even a seventh per season, and even
if such an episode was just as good as all the others.
And don't forget that USTV seasons are shortening. If there really
are only 18 episodes of "Friends" next year, that will be exactly
one half the number of episodes in a good season of "Bewitched".
>> Could Phoebe have been lying about the whole licence thing?
> You mean lying about having lost it, or not admitting to her
> new employer that she'd lost it?
Ah.
I meant lying about having lost it, but your suggestion of her not
admitting to her new employer that she'd lost it makes more sense.
>> True, but a casual mention would be just fine.
> Rachel: Do you like my dress? It's imported from Norway. Oh, and I've
> decided my favorite song is the Beatles' "Norwegian Wood."
> Phoebe: Cool.. Hey, who wants to go to the Ibsenfest in Central Park?
> Ross: Ooh, I do. Did you know he was Norwegian?
> How's that? ;)
Phoebe's remark would be awfully frustrating if it was not followed
by Ross's reply; but something as simple as Rachel's dress would be
just fine. The problem for many Scandinavians is that the Americans
(but not you) seem to think that the whole area is called Sweden.
Marita ruefully says that when Americans ask where she's from, and
she says Norway, they assume that Norway is the capital of Sweden!
This is probably why the count for "Friends" is as follows...
Denmark 0
Finland 0
Norway 0
Sweden 12
..we might have had some debate about whether to include Joey eating
a danish or not, but even that hasn't come up.
>>> Heh. Nope, I can't think of a better word.
>> Oh dear, you were my best hope.
> Sorry!
Sigh. :(
I once spent about a year trying to find a word that was the *exact*
opposite of "isolation". Imagine my delight to stumble across it...
>>> Though with a sitcom baby, it's more likely we'd see her suddenly get
>>> two years older. :(
>> Yah, like happened with Murphy Brown.
> Yes, and so many others.
Indeed, many sitcoms are more 'flexible' about this than "Friends".
An interesting gimmick, should Jennifer Aniston fall pregnant, would
be for her & Courteney to switch places, with CCA as Rachel Green, and
JA as Monica Bing. Of course, BKC wouldn't have the guts to do it, (but
probably the producers of "Drew Carey" would), even though these were
the roles for which the two actresses originally auditioned.
>>>> But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
>>> Sure, that's why the "probably." But I'm offering a *possible*
>>> alternative.
>> Yes dear. So, in your possible alternative, Chandler lied about Ross?
> Nooooo. Ross told Monica, but didn't tell Janice in my version (or do I
> misunderstand what you mean about "lied about Ross"?)
I was wondering if you posited that Chandler lied to Monica that it was
Ross who knew that Chandler had waltzed in a Wendy's car park.
>>>> Worried about the chocolate?
>>> No, just the general ickiness.
>>> I noticed Marita had the same reaction I did. :)
>> Yes, I noticed too. :)
> The "I'd rather not think about its" have it. :)
Okay, with due concern for your delicate sensibilities, I've adopted
the euphemism of "waltzing". :-)
>>>>>> So what now, IVF?
>>>>> [ . . . ]
>>>>> I won't say anything until you've seen 9.22.
>>>> Okay, I'll look forward to your reply to my 922 review, Belphoebe. :)
>>> Okay, I'll watch for it. . . .
>> Yeah, and now you've replied to it, but which bit was about IVF?
> Well, the episode dealt with what their options are.
Indeed, no worries. :)
Belphoebe
Ah ha! Didn't realize that, either. So what does the word "corn" really
refer to?
> However, such is ubiquity of US culture, it's now more general
> to call the resulting food product "corn on the cob" if served
> whole, or "sweet corn" if served like yellow peas.
Bad U.S. No cookie! ;)
> >> She was no prodigy, her painting was one of many by 11yo children.
>
> > That *is* misleading. I thought it might be something like that. :)
>
> Yep. Spread the word.
I will. :)
> >> Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
>
> > Which, of course, you're hoping for. . . . .
>
> Yep, even if it's crap, because S12 could be great; and even if that
> is no better, then there's hope for S13; and so on.
Sounds a bit like the gambler's fallacy. ;)
> CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
Yep, I know. But would you watch a CCA spinoff without any of the others if
she were the only one who felt that way?!?!
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
> In article <MWeya.174555$5f4.1...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.a1949e4bf4...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> >> Like say, The National Portrait Gallery?
>
> > Like Montserrat Gallery, Ace Gallery, Cade Denise Gallery, etc. etc.
>
> What type of gallery are they, and where do their names come from?
Actually, I just did a Yellow Pages search on art galleries in NYC, so I
don't really know details about the examples I've given. Though my father
is an artist and I've been to lots of galleries as a result. Usually
they're like a storefront, with one story or sometimes two, and often named
after the person who owns it (I'm guessing a woman named Denise Cade owns
the Cade Denise gallery, for example).
> >>>> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
>
> >>> Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
>
> >> That would be like The Tate Gallery and The Tate Modern.
>
> > I see. . . . . .
>
> IIRC, that's "Tate" as in Tate & Lyle, the 17/18/19th? century sugar
> millionaires of whom the former presumably built up a massive private
> collection that was subsequently bequeathed to a grateful nation, or
> else he was an early philanthropist. In any case, The Tate Gallery is
> not a shop owned by a Mr.Tate that sells paintings to the public.
Okay. I figured it must be something historic like that. :)
> >> Ah, painting shops.
>
> > Don't forget about sculptures, , , , ,
>
> 3D paintings? :)
Don't say that to a sculptor! ;)
> >> As opposed to paint shops.
>
> > Uh huh.
>
> Yeah, coz that's where your car changes colour.
And you wouldn't want to mix them up. . . . .
Belphoebe
Tennant Stuart
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>>>> Like say, The National Portrait Gallery?
>>> Like Montserrat Gallery, Ace Gallery, Cade Denise Gallery, etc. etc.
>> What type of gallery are they, and where do their names come from?
> Actually, I just did a Yellow Pages search on art galleries in NYC, so
> I don't really know details about the examples I've given. Though my
> father is an artist and I've been to lots of galleries as a result.
> Usually they're like a storefront, with one story or sometimes two,
> and often named after the person who owns it (I'm guessing a woman
> named Denise Cade owns the Cade Denise gallery, for example).
Okay, so this is gallery equals painting shop again.
>>>>>> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
>>>>> Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
>>>> That would be like The Tate Gallery and The Tate Modern.
>>> I see. . . . . .
>> IIRC, that's "Tate" as in Tate & Lyle, the 17/18/19th? century sugar
>> millionaires of whom the former presumably built up a massive private
>> collection that was subsequently bequeathed to a grateful nation, or
>> else he was an early philanthropist. In any case, The Tate Gallery is
>> not a shop owned by a Mr.Tate that sells paintings to the public.
> Okay. I figured it must be something historic like that. :)
Yeah. I hasten to add that I don't know what I'm talking about here.
>>>> Ah, painting shops.
>>> Don't forget about sculptures, , , , ,
>> 3D paintings? :)
> Don't say that to a sculptor! ;)
Well, the sculpture is already there, isn't it?
All the artist has to do is chip off the overburden.
>>>> As opposed to paint shops.
>>> Uh huh.
>> Yeah, coz that's where your car changes colour.
> And you wouldn't want to mix them up. . . . .
Oh, it happens... ;)
Tennant Stuart
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>>>> Ah, by "corn", you meant "maize". :)
>>> Oh, okay. I didn't realize it was called "maize" in the UK. How
>>> interesting. As I'm sure you know, that's a Native American word
>>> for it.
>> Yeah, we call the American crop by the American name, and you call the
>> American crop by the name of a totally different European crop. :)
> Ah ha! Didn't realize that, either. So what does the word "corn" really
> refer to?
I think it's what you guys call "wheat".
In England, corn is the grain of the wheat plant; while in Scotland &
Ireland, it's the grain of oats. However, fields of wheat are commonly
referred to as cornfields, since that's where corn comes from.
>> However, such is ubiquity of US culture, it's now more general
>> to call the resulting food product "corn on the cob" if served
>> whole, or "sweet corn" if served like yellow peas.
> Bad U.S. No cookie! ;)
Grin.
>>>> She was no prodigy, her painting was one of many by 11yo children.
>>> That *is* misleading. I thought it might be something like that. :)
>> Yep. Spread the word.
> I will. :)
Good girl.
>>>> Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
>>> Which, of course, you're hoping for. . . . .
>> Yep, even if it's crap, because S12 could be great; and even if that
>> is no better, then there's hope for S13; and so on.
> Sounds a bit like the gambler's fallacy. ;)
It does, but in this case there is no doubling stake.
And IMHO, Seasons 3, 4, and 5 were each worse than the season before,
while Seasons 6, 7, and 8 were each better than the season before, so
if the show had been cancelled after S5, then I'd have lost those.
I don't ask you to agree with my personal evaluation; but if you prefer
any season to any other that preceded it, then you would have lost the
season you liked if the show ended after the one that you didn't.
>> CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
> Yep, I know. But would you watch a CCA spinoff without any of the
> others if she were the only one who felt that way?!?!
Good question.
My answer is that I probably would, but my guess is that I wouldn't
like it much. It's the dynamic of the whole ensemble which appeals to
me, which is why I'm not hung on the couples as some people allege.
Belphoebe
What a popular girl Monica is!
> ..that's IMHO of course, and I think that Joey could be wrong in his
> evaluation, but a loyal soul like him would take a long time to switch
> his primary allegiance. That he has not done so yet was most clearly
> illustrated by the denouement to 918 "TOW the Lottery".
It's interesting that Rachel had that discussion with Ross about best
friends in 9.01 (Joey = "best friend"; Chandler = "oldest friend") when, in
5.14, it was, "My best friend [Chandler] and my sister!"
> >>> True. Heck, I liked her back in season three when she and Chandler
> >>> were dating. And I was sorry to see her relegated to "annoying Janice"
> >>> in season four.
>
> >> Yeah, though she did get to dump Ross for being too whiny! :)
>
> > I know. Poor Ross. That did cause him to snap out of it, though,
>
> Ah, if only Ross would learn to learn from his experiences.
Yes (if only the writers would allow him to!).
> > You'd think there would have been something about Rachel being concerned
> > about the safety of having a rooster and a duck around a crawling baby.
>
> You fear she might tug at their tail feathers?
I'd be worried they'd view her as a hostile creature and peck/bite/otherwise
attack.
> >>> I sometimes catch myself doing in when giving directions, but I always
> >>> realize I'm doing it and correct myself in time.
>
> >> Eep, sometimes I'm not quick enough. It's the road's fault, anyway.
>
> > Yes, because the roads *should be* the other way around! :)
>
> Absolutely!
:)
> >> I know! And it turned out that he did know he was standing in front of
> >> the wrong painting; his delusion was that he was fooling Charlie.
>
> > Yeah, that didn't work out so well. . . .
>
> That's right, and having already proved that he's a good guy, Ross
> then proceeded to be a very good guy, by making Charlie give Joey a
> second chance.
The Ross we like. :)
> > Ah, okay--short seasons. Do folks wish them longer, or think of
> > it as a quality vs. quantity thing?
>
> There's much debate on this, with the sensible people hoping for
> something in the middle - more of the same, but not so many that
> you start getting crap episodes.
>
> For myself, I'm happy to have 20 extra episodes as long as at least
> one of those is superb - I'll sigh about the other 19 and move on.
>
> OTOH, my brother-in-law is the hugest fan of "Fawlty Towers", which
> had two seasons of six episodes each - and he insists that it would
> be totally ruined if there were even a seventh per season, and even
> if such an episode was just as good as all the others.
So your BIL is a purist about this issue. . . . (And Manuel is from
Barcelona!)
> And don't forget that USTV seasons are shortening. If there really
> are only 18 episodes of "Friends" next year, that will be exactly
> one half the number of episodes in a good season of "Bewitched".
I know, and I hope this doesn't become the trend. I saw Julia
Louis-Dreyfuss (Elaine of _Seinfeld_) on a talk show, and I think she said
she was doing just six episodes of her show _Watching Ellie_ this season.
And last season (her first), I think she did something like 13 or 18
episodes.
> >> Could Phoebe have been lying about the whole licence thing?
>
> > You mean lying about having lost it, or not admitting to her
> > new employer that she'd lost it?
>
> Ah.
>
> I meant lying about having lost it, but your suggestion of her not
> admitting to her new employer that she'd lost it makes more sense.
In any event, it's good that she's working again. And maybe she won't get
in trouble for her tax evasion during her freelance period.
> >> True, but a casual mention would be just fine.
>
> > Rachel: Do you like my dress? It's imported from Norway. Oh, and I've
> > decided my favorite song is the Beatles' "Norwegian Wood."
>
> > Phoebe: Cool.. Hey, who wants to go to the Ibsenfest in Central Park?
>
> > Ross: Ooh, I do. Did you know he was Norwegian?
>
> > How's that? ;)
>
> Phoebe's remark would be awfully frustrating if it was not followed
> by Ross's reply;
Of course--how cruelly tantalizing it would be. That's why I so
benevolently included that follow-up (and the Phoebe-Ross moment of bonding
was for you!). ;)
but something as simple as Rachel's dress would be
> just fine. The problem for many Scandinavians is that the Americans
> (but not you) seem to think that the whole area is called Sweden.
Yeesh. That *is* bad.
> Marita ruefully says that when Americans ask where she's from, and
> she says Norway, they assume that Norway is the capital of Sweden!
Gah. How stupid. Sorry on their behalf, Marita!
> This is probably why the count for "Friends" is as follows...
>
> Denmark 0
>
> Finland 0
>
> Norway 0
>
> Sweden 12
>
> ..we might have had some debate about whether to include Joey eating
> a danish or not, but even that hasn't come up.
They could have Pedantic!Ross setting the others straight about Scandanavian
geography and give them all a passing mention. . . . .
Of course, Ross's failure to remember the 50 states makes that less likely.
:(
> I once spent about a year trying to find a word that was the *exact*
> opposite of "isolation". Imagine my delight to stumble across it...
Do share!
Do you remember comedian Stephen Wright's line about "what's a synonym for
thesaurus"?
> An interesting gimmick, should Jennifer Aniston fall pregnant, would
> be for her & Courteney to switch places, with CCA as Rachel Green, and
> JA as Monica Bing. Of course, BKC wouldn't have the guts to do it, (but
> probably the producers of "Drew Carey" would), even though these were
> the roles for which the two actresses originally auditioned.
Yeah, _Friends_ would never do that. As for _Drew Carey_, I think they've
gone so far in the over-the-top, stuntish direction that the show has been
mostly unwatchable for a while. Drew in a coma, inhabiting his baby
nephew's body, etc. etc. Ick. I haven't tuned in for a while. . . .
> >>>> But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
>
> >>> Sure, that's why the "probably." But I'm offering a *possible*
> >>> alternative.
>
> >> Yes dear. So, in your possible alternative, Chandler lied about Ross?
>
> > Nooooo. Ross told Monica, but didn't tell Janice in my version (or do I
> > misunderstand what you mean about "lied about Ross"?)
>
> I was wondering if you posited that Chandler lied to Monica that it was
> Ross who knew that Chandler had waltzed in a Wendy's car park.
But that wouldn't make sense, as Monica knows who told her about it. If it
weren't Ross who'd told her, she surely would have offered the true
alternative ("Ross, schmoss, you talk in your sleep, mister!).
> > The "I'd rather not think about its" have it. :)
>
> Okay, with due concern for your delicate sensibilities, I've adopted
> the euphemism of "waltzing". :-)
Awwww. . . :)
But doesn't a waltz require a partner? Would Billy Idol's "Dancing With
Myself" be too long? ;)
Belphoebe
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
she was probably drunk, when she said that ;o)
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> Bad U.S. No cookie! ;)
oi! I'm the one who decides who does or doesn't get cookies around here!
Belphoebe
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> Belphoebe likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>
> > Bad U.S. No cookie! ;)
>
> oi! I'm the one who decides who does or doesn't get cookies around here!
Ooh, I'm sorry, André! So, do you agree, or does the U.S. get a cookie? ;)
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
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> Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>
> > CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
>
> she was probably drunk, when she said that ;o)
Or on a sugar high from too much Coca Cola!
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
>
> It is very like 201, isn't it? Extrapolating at about 18 eps/season...
Heyyyyy. . . . Why does Joey get to be Mr, Almost-Perfect in this
scenario? If they were to go with these parallels, it would only be fair
that Joey should receive the same treatment Ross has:
> 1112 "TOW Rachel Quits", Rachel quits Ralph Lauren to be a housewife
Rachel quits Ralph Lauren for an even better job at Isaac Mizrahi
> 1114 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross is jealous of Joey & Rachel
Rachel is working very hard on a work project, with a very handsome
colleague played by a special "heartthrob" guest star. She works overtime
for two weeks straight, cancelling plans she has with Joey, who becomes
jealous and passive aggressive.
> 1117 "TOW Joey and Rachel Take a Break", Joey & Rachel go to the Poconos
They go on a "break," a la RnR, after having a fight about the coworker.
Despite Ross's urging Joey not to make the same stupid mistakes he did, Joey
leaps to conclusions after the coworker answers Rachel's cell phone when
she's in the bathroom. He then sleeps with a pretty extra from _DoOL_.
> 1118 "TOT Morning After", Joey nurses Rachel's hangover
Rachel decides to get back together, but changes her mind when Gunther (who
used to work with the extra's roommate back when he was Bryce on _All My
Children_) breaks the news.
> 1119 "TO Without the Ski Trip", Rachel is too ill to go skiing
A near carbon copy of the original episode (with Joey as the excluded
party), but with Ross trying to smooth things over for everyone.
> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
Rachel has a crush on Isaac Mizrahi's new assistant, Floyd.
> 1308 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", Rachel buys her new wedding dress
Rachel tries to entice Floyd with a skimpy dress she made herself, only to
be embarrassed to discover Floyd has a husband.
> 1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
Joey asks Monica to pick up his bride's dress because she has to go out of
town for a while. . . . (see below)
> 1313/4 "TOW Joey's Wedding", At last the happy day for Joey & Rachel
Joey's getting married to Kate Miller, after she starts a job at DoOL and
their passion is quickly reignited.
> 1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
Joey says "Rachel" when he's supposed to say "Kate." Ross mutters, "I
*told* him to write it on his hand!"
Belphoebe
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>>> Bad U.S. No cookie! ;)
>>
>> oi! I'm the one who decides who does or doesn't get cookies around
>> here!
>
> Ooh, I'm sorry, André! So, do you agree, or does the U.S. get a
> cookie? ;)
As far as I'm concerned they don't get a cookie, and they don't deserve to
get one for the next couple of decades for being silly on so many levels ;)
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>> British/Anzac/Euro SPOILER SPACE for 921...
And why do I not see any similarities in the S10 "storylines" and about what
happened in S2?
Belphoebe
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote in message
I know!!!!!!! :)
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
> In article <igwya.20184$5y5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.e17ccf4bf5...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> > refer to?
>
> I think it's what you guys call "wheat".
>
> In England, corn is the grain of the wheat plant; while in Scotland &
> Ireland, it's the grain of oats. However, fields of wheat are commonly
> referred to as cornfields, since that's where corn comes from.
I see--that explains why you were thinking "winnowing." I wonder why we
superimposed the word "corn" rather than using "maize" to begin with.
Colonial arrogance, perhaps?
> >>>> Unless there's a Season 11 of "Friends", of course.
>
> >>> Which, of course, you're hoping for. . . . .
>
> >> Yep, even if it's crap, because S12 could be great; and even if that
> >> is no better, then there's hope for S13; and so on.
>
> > Sounds a bit like the gambler's fallacy. ;)
>
> It does, but in this case there is no doubling stake.
Nope.
> I don't ask you to agree with my personal evaluation; but if you prefer
> any season to any other that preceded it, then you would have lost the
> season you liked if the show ended after the one that you didn't.
IKWYM, but I've reached a point where I won't be sorry to see the show
end--at least so long as the stories are wrapped up in a satisfying way.
OTOH, I'm sure I'll watch to the end, whenever that is.
> >> CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
>
> > Yep, I know. But would you watch a CCA spinoff without any of the
> > others if she were the only one who felt that way?!?!
>
> Good question.
>
> My answer is that I probably would,
Me, too. ;)
but my guess is that I wouldn't
> like it much.
Same here. . . . .
It's the dynamic of the whole ensemble which appeals to
> me, which is why I'm not hung on the couples as some people allege.
Interesting. You do seem to be fairly adamant about your preferred
pairings.
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
> In article <Mnwya.20218$5y5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.517cd74bf5...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> >>>> Like say, The National Portrait Gallery?
>
> >>> Like Montserrat Gallery, Ace Gallery, Cade Denise Gallery, etc. etc.
>
> >> What type of gallery are they, and where do their names come from?
>
> > Actually, I just did a Yellow Pages search on art galleries in NYC, so
> > I don't really know details about the examples I've given. Though my
> > father is an artist and I've been to lots of galleries as a result.
> > Usually they're like a storefront, with one story or sometimes two,
> > and often named after the person who owns it (I'm guessing a woman
> > named Denise Cade owns the Cade Denise gallery, for example).
>
> Okay, so this is gallery equals painting shop again.
BOC (only that should be "art shop" ;) ).
> >>>>>> Meanwhile, our museums are for artefacts or natural objects.
>
> >>>>> Ah, so no art museums--UK version of The Louvre?
>
> >>>> That would be like The Tate Gallery and The Tate Modern.
>
> >>> I see. . . . . .
>
> >> IIRC, that's "Tate" as in Tate & Lyle, the 17/18/19th? century sugar
> >> millionaires of whom the former presumably built up a massive private
> >> collection that was subsequently bequeathed to a grateful nation, or
> >> else he was an early philanthropist. In any case, The Tate Gallery is
> >> not a shop owned by a Mr.Tate that sells paintings to the public.
>
> > Okay. I figured it must be something historic like that. :)
>
> Yeah. I hasten to add that I don't know what I'm talking about here.
:)
> >>>> Ah, painting shops.
>
> >>> Don't forget about sculptures, , , , ,
>
> >> 3D paintings? :)
>
> > Don't say that to a sculptor! ;)
>
> Well, the sculpture is already there, isn't it?
>
> All the artist has to do is chip off the overburden.
Aha--a Michelangelo reference! He was being somewhat disingenuous when he
said that, though!
> >>>> As opposed to paint shops.
>
> >>> Uh huh.
>
> >> Yeah, coz that's where your car changes colour.
>
> > And you wouldn't want to mix them up. . . . .
>
> Oh, it happens... ;)
So you could end up with a dull painting or a very interesting car.
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote in message
> Belphoebe likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>
> >>> Bad U.S. No cookie! ;)
> >>
> >> oi! I'm the one who decides who does or doesn't get cookies around
> >> here!
> >
> > Ooh, I'm sorry, André! So, do you agree, or does the U.S. get a
> > cookie? ;)
>
> As far as I'm concerned they don't get a cookie, and they don't deserve to
> get one for the next couple of decades for being silly on so many levels
;)
Ah, so we agree. :)
Belphoebe
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> Do you remember comedian Stephen Wright's line about "what's a
> synonym for thesaurus"?
bah! he's mad, I have his "I have a pony" CD somewhere and I don't know what
kind of stuff he's taking but I sure as hell would love to try it - I mean,
how do you come up with this stuff? "I parked my car in a tow-away area and
when I came back the whole area was gone" ... LOL
André
Tennant Stuart
921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
The morning after Joey kissed Charlie, Ross seems quite philosophical
about it; but Rachel is seething with jealousy - which is not helped
by Joey sauntering into Central Perk, holding Charlie's hand.
Ross hides his attraction to Charlie, who apologises for going off
with someone else at the party, yet she can't disguise that what she
really likes about Joey is his sexual magnetism, not his intellect.
But for such an intelligent woman, Charlie has little idea of how to
relate to Joey. Instead of discovering his world, or even opening his
eyes to a higher culture, she lets him flounder out of his depth.
Joey turns to Ross, who demonstrates his good virtue by teaching his
best friend exactly what to say to her. Joey is an apt pupil, soaking
up the art of talking about famous painters, without having a clue of
what it all means - but impressing Ross that he learns so quickly.
However, Charlie isn't fooled in the slightest, since Joey took a
wrong turn at the museum, and he eloquently talked about the wrong
paintings. She admits to Ross that Joey is not the man for her, and
reveals that what she wants is someone she has more in common with.
Ross valiantly passes up this opportunity to swoop in, and instead he
insists that she should give Joey another chance; since he's a really
great guy, while she can always talk art with somebody else. Charlie
thanks him, and happily steps out with her new boyfriend once more.
---o0o---
Rachel receives a gift certificate from a new spa, but Phoebe objects
to corporate massage chains, then rips the certificate up. Undaunted,
Rachel tapes it back together, to go to the spa for a free massage.
However, Phoebe is secretly working there, despite her principles,
since they pay good money. Essaying an accent, she instructs Rachel
to put her face in the hole of the table, then lets her assume that
she's Swedish - but Rachel recognises Phoebe's new shoes.
Revealing she knows the truth, Rachel confronts her, prompting her to
quit the spa for her principles. Phoebe agrees, but she's lying again,
and returns to work the next day. Thus when she sees that her first
client is Rachel Green, Phoebe pretends to be Scottish!
---o0o---
Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
it's time for a fertility test. At the clinic, he's very nervous about
depositing a specimen in a cup, so she assures him there's nothing to
be embarrassed about, since nobody there knows them. In walks Janice.
Janice has come to get her husband Sid checked out, but the Bings
cannot believe their bad luck, especially when subjected to Janice's
most braying laughs, and then she offers to give Chandler a hand!
But once Chandler has made his contribution, he relaxes, and finds
Janice to be pleasant company. Though she warns him that getting the
results is the hard part, she assures him that he & Monica will be
just fine, since they were meant to have children.
Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
---o0o---
Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings? Those
happily married Bings have been heading for something like this for
a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard. However, the tale
was invigorated by this season's appearance of Janice Littman, for
Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form. CnM fans must be hoping that
Janice's prediction comes true - there are several possibilities.
Meanwhile, Rachel's story leapt to a promising start for JnR fans,
then rather lost its way in a slight piece that deserved better.
However, Joey & Ross once again proved what a tremendous duo they
can be, with both actors punching above their weight. Though Charlie
is little more than a cute prop, she catalysed some marvellous scenes
between the guys, giving Matt LeBlanc a chance to show what Joey can
do, and enabling David Schwimmer to give us back the Ross we want.
---o0o---
Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
I kept thinking of Gizzy Dillespie...
Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
was a funny line), he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
If you're wondering why Americans hang paintings in museums, and not
art galleries, it seems that their galleries are mere art shops.
Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian? Because this would have
made this episode even more similar to an episode of "Coupling"? As
it stands, there are many other similarities to the Fertility Clinic
episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier, though much ruder.
When Phoebe enters the apartment, look out for Rachel folding some
baby clothes, another little hint about Emma's existence.
So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
kiss, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
Mind you, couldn't you just listen to Jennifer Aniston's honeyed
tones saying "through the glass doors" all day?
On the other hand, why does Rachel have to go back through the glass
doors, when that means going outside the reception area?
Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
Or is it just that Phoebe lied about her revoked licence at the spa?
Phoebe looks so good in her starched white uniform, doesn't she?
But with her hair up like that, does she remind you of a pineapple?
Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
Is it just me, or does Rachel look incredibly beautiful with her face
in the hole? Is it because she looks like a medieval princess?
And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
Phoebe says the spa gives her a four-oh-wonk, which is obviously her
way of saying 401-K. So does this mean that Chandler eventually told
her that it was a tax advantaged retirement plan, and not a robot?
When Phoebe goes back to work the next day, is she still wearing
her Shania Twain shoes?
I don't know how good or bad Phoebe's Norwegian/Swedish accent was,
but I can assure you that her Scottish accent was terrible!
In the evening, wearing the same clothes as that morning, Monica asks
Chandler what they're doing tonight. Since sex is out of the equation,
why didn't he tell his wife that he's taking her & Phoebe to see the
one-woman play? This was all the day after the party, yet the previous
episode ended with the trio at the theatre. Of course, that could've
been on a further night, but they would have not been in the mood...
Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
When Chandler says he has a weird feeling about the clinic, is
that his stand-in sitting by the door?
Would I be right to suspect that a fertility test should be far more
troubling for a woman than it is for a man? An invasive vaginal exam
does not sound like a picnic in the park to me.
So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
The jokes about Taco Bell & Wendy's could be oblique references to
future plots. It's hard to see a connection with a roller coaster
making Ross unwell, but Wendy's was founded by Dave Thomas, who now
according to http://www.davethomasfoundationforadoption.org/ helps
in adoption of teenagers. Furthermore, in 214 "TOW the Prom Video",
Chandler joked that he was Dave Thomas while chatting up a girl.
Isn't it extremely unlikely that a doctor's office would give such
results over the phone to only one member of a couple? A good doctor
would call them both in for a consultation to deliver any bad news.
---o0o---
Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but that's not to
say that it cannot happen. More significant is what this means to the
overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
surely would have happened if only one (Chandler?) was at 'fault'.
So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? How about Joey's?
An intriguing possibility arises if Monica is unable to donate an
egg, for a variety of medical reasons. In that case, the egg would
come from some other woman, and then there would be no reason why
the sperm shouldn't be from Ross, indeed he'd be the ideal choice.
There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
Did you get the symbolism of the dead barcalounger? While she was
alive, Chandler was more sessile than motile, ordering takeaways to
be delivered across the hall, to meet a hostile environment in which
Monica angrily ejected them to Chandler's apartment. And then when
Chandler finally moved into Monica's hospitality, she was hostile
to the poor barcalounger, and rejoiced when she finally died...
No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen episodes 922-924.
Tennant Stuart
Tennant Stuart
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>> CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
> she was probably drunk, when she said that ;o)
Well, if you've seen the Arquettes' Coca Cola advert, her drink is
indeed a different colour from David's. I put that down to less ice
in her glass, but who knows what else she might have in there?
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.f6094e4bf6...@argonet.co.uk...
>> I think it's what you guys call "wheat".
>> In England, corn is the grain of the wheat plant; while in Scotland &
>> Ireland, it's the grain of oats. However, fields of wheat are commonly
>> referred to as cornfields, since that's where corn comes from.
> I see--that explains why you were thinking "winnowing."
Yep.
> I wonder why we superimposed the word "corn" rather than using "maize"
> to begin with. Colonial arrogance, perhaps?
It could partly be colonial arrogance, but it's also a longing for home,
the same way as many place names. A neat example is Boston, Massachusets
where the state is an American name, while the city itself is named after
the town of Boston in Lincolnshire. Certianly many animal & plant species
are given identical names even though they're genetically unrelated.
>> I don't ask you to agree with my personal evaluation; but if you prefer
>> any season to any other that preceded it, then you would have lost the
>> season you liked if the show ended after the one that you didn't.
> IKWYM, but I've reached a point where I won't be sorry to see the show
> end--at least so long as the stories are wrapped up in a satisfying way.
Well, one woman's satisfying way can be another woman's feeling sick.
> OTOH, I'm sure I'll watch to the end, whenever that is.
Good for you.
>>>> CCA said after S6 that she'd do 10 more years...
>>> Yep, I know. But would you watch a CCA spinoff without any of the
>>> others if she were the only one who felt that way?!?!
>> Good question.
>> My answer is that I probably would,
> Me, too. ;)
Right.
>> but my guess is that I wouldn't like it much.
> Same here. . . . .
We agree! :)
>> It's the dynamic of the whole ensemble which appeals to me, which is
>> why I'm not hung on the couples as some people allege.
> Interesting. You do seem to be fairly adamant about your preferred
> pairings.
A lot of people seem to get the wrong idea about that, as is best shown
by the way that they do not even get my preferred pairings correct. It's
ceryainly the case that some people here like making entirely inaccurate
predictions of what I'm going to write, which is fair enough; then go on
to criticise me for those future words, which is well out of order.
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.8e09514bf6...@argonet.co.uk...
>>> I just did a Yellow Pages search on art galleries in NYC, so I don't
>>> really know details about the examples I've given. Though my father is
>>> an artist and I've been to lots of galleries as a result. Usually
>>> they're like a storefront, with one story or sometimes two, and often
>>> named after the person who owns it (I'm guessing a woman named Denise
>>> Cade owns the Cade Denise gallery, for example).
>> Okay, so this is gallery equals painting shop again.
> BOC (only that should be "art shop" ;) ).
Fair enough. :)
>> I hasten to add that I don't know what I'm talking about here.
> :)
As is so often the case...
>> Well, the sculpture is already there, isn't it?
>> All the artist has to do is chip off the overburden.
> Aha--a Michelangelo reference!
..though maybe I do know a little. :)
> He was being somewhat disingenuous when he said that, though!
Of course.
>>>>>> As opposed to paint shops.
>>>>> Uh huh.
>>>> Yeah, coz that's where your car changes colour.
>>> And you wouldn't want to mix them up. . . . .
>> Oh, it happens... ;)
> So you could end up with a dull painting or a very interesting car.
It intrigues me that so much of abstract art, which people complain
is not a proper picture, is greatly admired upon a customised car.
Jan Buxton
Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> was driven to type:
> 921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
> to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
I don't see Rachel as being the type of person who is good at geography.
> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
Well, they did stay up all night talking didn't they?
> being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
> motility?
So motility was the right word? I feel like Joey here because my first
impression was that MP had boobed on 'mobility'.
--
Jan whoneedsadictionary
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> Well, if you've seen the Arquettes' Coca Cola advert, her drink is
> indeed a different colour from David's. I put that down to less ice
> in her glass, but who knows what else she might have in there?
That Coke Ad is *so* old news for us internet people ;)
Paul Hyett
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>
>I never suspected that it would be both of them.
I don't see your usual post-C4-review, so I'll reply to this :
>
>921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
>
>The morning after Joey kissed Charlie, Ross seems quite philosophical
>about it; but Rachel is seething with jealousy - which is not helped
>by Joey sauntering into Central Perk, holding Charlie's hand.
Is Ross just better at covering his feelings?
>
>But for such an intelligent woman, Charlie has little idea of how to
>relate to Joey. Instead of discovering his world, or even opening his
>eyes to a higher culture, she lets him flounder out of his depth.
I think they have *nothing* in common (tonsils aside). :)
>
>Joey turns to Ross, who demonstrates his good virtue by teaching his
>best friend exactly what to say to her. Joey is an apt pupil, soaking
>up the art of talking about famous painters, without having a clue of
>what it all means - but impressing Ross that he learns so quickly.
Heard of the expression 'idiot savant'?
>
>Ross valiantly passes up this opportunity to swoop in, and instead he
>insists that she should give Joey another chance; since he's a really
>great guy, while she can always talk art with somebody else. Charlie
>thanks him, and happily steps out with her new boyfriend once more.
He's taking the subtle approach - maybe he doesn't want to 'do time' in
a packing case...
>
> ---o0o---
>
>Rachel receives a gift certificate from a new spa, but Phoebe objects
>to corporate massage chains, then rips the certificate up. Undaunted,
>Rachel tapes it back together, to go to the spa for a free massage.
>
>However, Phoebe is secretly working there, despite her principles,
>since they pay good money. Essaying an accent, she instructs Rachel
>to put her face in the hole of the table, then lets her assume that
>she's Swedish - but Rachel recognises Phoebe's new shoes.
>
>Revealing she knows the truth, Rachel confronts her, prompting her to
>quit the spa for her principles. Phoebe agrees, but she's lying again,
>and returns to work the next day. Thus when she sees that her first
>client is Rachel Green, Phoebe pretends to be Scottish!
Who comes off worst here?
>
> ---o0o---
>
>Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>it's time for a fertility test. At the clinic, he's very nervous about
>depositing a specimen in a cup, so she assures him there's nothing to
>be embarrassed about, since nobody there knows them. In walks Janice.
YIKES!
>
>Janice has come to get her husband Sid checked out, but the Bings
>cannot believe their bad luck, especially when subjected to Janice's
>most braying laughs, and then she offers to give Chandler a hand!
YIKES^2!
>
>But once Chandler has made his contribution, he relaxes, and finds
>Janice to be pleasant company.
Or maybe there were too many potential witnesses... :)
>
>Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
>low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
>to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
>solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
I don't think they are 100% infertile though - clearly they've left the
'surprise natural conception' option open. Don't forget that Judy Geller
was supposed to be barren.
>
> ---o0o---
>
>Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
No!
> Those
>happily married Bings have been heading for something like this for
>a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard.
What about IVF? Or might Phoebe be an 'incubator' again?
>However, the tale
>was invigorated by this season's appearance of Janice Littman, for
>Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form.
Indeed.
>CnM fans must be hoping that
>Janice's prediction comes true
Must have missed that.
>
> ---o0o---
>
>Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
>Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
>being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
Was Emma actually there though?
>
>Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
>episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
>door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
I noticed that, too.
>
>Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
>has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
Wouldn't that make reading scripts a BIG problem?
>
>You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
>was a funny line)
I thought it was just a throwaway one.
>, he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
>who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
>complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
>mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
See my 'idiot savant' comment.
>
>Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
>
>Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
>Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
I don't think they had cellphones back in Cyrano's day. :)
>
>So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
>on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
>like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
She's gone 'soft'?
>
>And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
>fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
>confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
>kiss
'Confronts' is a little strong - IMO she gently reminds Rachel that she
can't talk about her feelings for Joey.
>, and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
That was a joke.
>
>Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
About as much as Phoebe's principles?
>
>Phoebe looks so good in her starched white uniform, doesn't she?
If that's what turns you on... :)
>
>But with her hair up like that, does she remind you of a pineapple?
>
What's with the pineapples all of a sudden... :)
>
>What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
>was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
Danish?
>
>When Phoebe goes back to work the next day, is she still wearing
>her Shania Twain shoes?
>
Depends if Phoebe was told that's how she was recognised.
>
>Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
What's happened to Emma, period?
>
>So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
>Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
What's 'Wendies'?
>
> ---o0o---
>
>Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>shock, wasn't it?
And pretty stupid.
> More significant is what this means to the
>overall plot in a thematic sense, for this suggests that the writers
>are reluctant to undermine the strength of the Bing relationship, as
>surely would have happened if only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
Maybe.
>
>There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
>pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
>if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
IMO that's why they've left the issue open.
>
>Did you get the symbolism of the dead barcalounger?
No.
--
Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett
Website at http://www.activist.demon.co.uk/USsitcoms/
Paul Hyett
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>
>> To be exact, neither are infertile. It's that they are not good
>> matches, so it'll be more difficult to produce.
>
>Really? So what exactly are we saying, Lewis?
>
>If Monica had a hospitable environment, would Chandler's poor sessile
>sperm be gently welcomed inside, to delicately fertilise her?
>
>Or would they just flop down at the entrance?
>
>
>If Chandler's sperm were motile
Mobile?
>, would they shoulder their way inside
>Monica's inhospitable environment, then fertilise her anyway?
Belphoebe
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote in message
> Belphoebe likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>
> > Do you remember comedian Stephen Wright's line about "what's a
> > synonym for thesaurus"?
>
> bah! he's mad, I have his "I have a pony" CD somewhere and I don't know
what
> kind of stuff he's taking but I sure as hell would love to try it - I
mean,
> how do you come up with this stuff? "I parked my car in a tow-away area
and
> when I came back the whole area was gone" ... LOL
He's hilarious. I found this site of his jokes:
http://www.meer.net/~mtoy/steven_wright.html
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
> In article <lF7za.3834$e11...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.8e09514bf6...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> It intrigues me that so much of abstract art, which people complain
> is not a proper picture, is greatly admired upon a customised car.
Ooh, a Jackson Pollock car would be very cool! (My dad does mostly abstract
work, so I've been raised to like it!) ;)
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
> In article <uz7za.3832$e11....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.f6094e4bf6...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> > to begin with. Colonial arrogance, perhaps?
>
> It could partly be colonial arrogance, but it's also a longing for home,
> the same way as many place names.
Ooh, good point. Living in upstate New York, I've got quite the array of
places named after English and Dutch locations. . . .
A neat example is Boston, Massachusets
> where the state is an American name, while the city itself is named after
> the town of Boston in Lincolnshire.
Rotterdam, New York, anyone? :)
Certianly many animal & plant species
> are given identical names even though they're genetically unrelated.
They should all be called "Bruce" to avoid confusion. ;)
> > IKWYM, but I've reached a point where I won't be sorry to see the show
> > end--at least so long as the stories are wrapped up in a satisfying way.
>
> Well, one woman's satisfying way can be another woman's feeling sick.
True--and unfortunately, I suspect there isn't any possible ending that
would satisfy everyone. :(
> >> It's the dynamic of the whole ensemble which appeals to me, which is
> >> why I'm not hung on the couples as some people allege.
>
> > Interesting. You do seem to be fairly adamant about your preferred
> > pairings.
>
> A lot of people seem to get the wrong idea about that, as is best shown
> by the way that they do not even get my preferred pairings correct.
I can understand why. As I understand it, your "official" preferred
pairings are those suggested in TOW the Flashback (R & P, J & M, C & R).
However, you often point out that you consider C & M an extremely well
suited couple, and that J & R are very good together. It seems R & P are
the only pair from those "Flashback" configurations that you actively
advocate now.
At this point, wouldn't you be upset if Chandler and Monica suddenly
divorced and hooked up with--respectively--Rachel and Joey? It seems it
would be a case of "be careful what you wish for."
>It's
> ceryainly the case that some people here like making entirely inaccurate
> predictions of what I'm going to write, which is fair enough; then go on
> to criticise me for those future words, which is well out of order.
That's what happens to celebrities. ;)
Belphoebe
Tennant Stuart
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>> Well, if you've seen the Arquettes' Coca Cola advert, her drink is
>> indeed a different colour from David's. I put that down to less ice
>> in her glass, but who knows what else she might have in there?
> That Coke Ad is *so* old news for us internet people ;)
Grin.
Tennant Stuart
"Jan Buxton" <ja...@eidosnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In news:na.c305444bf7...@argonet.co.uk,
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> was driven to type:
>> And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
>> to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
> I don't see Rachel as being the type of person who is good at geography.
She was the best one at Chandler's 50 states game.
>> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
>> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
> Well, they did stay up all night talking didn't they?
Yep, could be.
>> being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
>> motility?
> So motility was the right word?
Yep.
> I feel like Joey here because my first impression was that MP had boobed
> on 'mobility'.
The word "motile" means something is capable over moving under its
own control by means of its own power. A shopping trolley is mobile.
Tennant
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> He's hilarious. I found this site of his jokes:
>
> http://www.meer.net/~mtoy/steven_wright.html
cool. thanks
Tennant Stuart
Paul Hyett <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In alt.tv.friends on Thu, 8 May 2003 at 18:54:27,
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>> If Chandler's sperm were motile
> Mobile?
Motile.
It means that something is capable over moving under its own
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.8908224bf7...@argonet.co.uk...
>> It intrigues me that so much of abstract art, which people complain
>> is not a proper picture, is greatly admired upon a customised car.
> Ooh, a Jackson Pollock car would be very cool!
There you go then.
> (My dad does mostly abstract work, so I've been raised to like it!) ;)
How wonderful!
Tennant Stuart
bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2003 01:14:40 BST, Tennant Stuart
> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I never suspected that it would be both of them.
>>> Me neither, although I had a feeling it was coming.
>> So did I, but not the way it was.
> Good to see that something can still be surprising.
It is, isn't it?
This is why some fans should be more wary of blithely assuming that
certain outcomes are inevitable.
>>> Jealous Rachel. Did anybody say deja-vu?
>> It is very like 201, isn't it? Extrapolating at about 18 eps/season...
>> 0921 "TOW Joey's New Girlfriend", Rachel is jealous of Charlie
> Very possible.
Yep.
>> 1004 "TOW the List", Joey writes a list to choose between Charlie & Rachel
> Nah, Joey wouldn't do that. Joey would just write a list over things
> he'd like to do with Rachel once they started going out.
Lol, okay. :)
>> 1006 "TOW Carl", Rachel dates a guy named Carl, who looks just like Joey
>> 1010 "TOW the Porn Video", Joey & Rachel finally become a real couple
> Lol! Yeah, either that or they find another copy of "Cujo."
Exactly, only there wasn't a film named "Cjuc".
>> 1011 "TOW Joey and Rachel... You Know", Joey & Rachel do it at a Knicks
> game
> Totally.
LOL! I've heard that some people have great fun on the bleachers... ;)
>> 1103 "TOW the Princess Leia Fantasy", Joey dresses up to please Rachel
> Oh, that's not a good image.
He would, of course, have bronzed skin, and be stiff...
>> 1112 "TOW Rachel Quits", Rachel quits Ralph Lauren to be a housewife
> No way. Rachel loves her career, and she would never enjoy being a
> housewife. Look at what happened after Ross started dreaming about
> Scarsdale.
Okay, what do you suggest, that's different?
>> 1201-1218 Season 12 is all about Ben Geller & Brittany Bing
> Why Brittany? That's Joey's daughter.
Yep.
> I'd rather see Daniel
Maybe Skdandy was fired for loving his charge more than his employers did.
> and Helena Jacqueline Bing.
Lol, after her two grandfathers!
>> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
> Lol.
You've grasped our theme here. :)
>> 1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
> She should bring Rachel's sisters as well.
Oh, excellent! Yes, I hadn't thought of that.
With seven of his own, Joey would handle them so well.
>> 1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
> Hehe, excellent.
Thanks, sweetie!
>>> It seems to be a recurring theme at the moment. Both Rachel and
>>> Charlie are attracted to him, but it's all physical.
>> Yeah, except that one of them is lying to her friends.
> Rot13 about 922:
> Naq fur'f znxvat ure orfg sevraq ybbx yvxr n alzcub naq n fyhg. Enpury
> vf n erny ovgpu, juvyr Puneyvr vf whfg gelvat gb trg gb xabj ure
> oblsevraq'f sevraqf.
This is true, but don't you feel sorry for her?
>>> I don't think she meant anything by it, though.
>> I agree, she's a nice woman, just not very bright out of her field.
> Just like Ross.
Exactly.
Now imagine what Phoebe would be like if she'd had an education.
>>> She just talked about what she wanted to see, and given her background,
>>> it's not odd that she wanted to go to the Met.
>> The Met/Mets thing should have made her think on.
> Agreed.
Right.
>>> But you're right in saying that she could have tried something else
>>> for a change. Besides, a baseball-game can be lots of fun.
>> Absolutely, they always look like fun for Homer.
> Baseball is great actually. What happens on the field is one thing,
> but it's great to sit in the bleachers with thousands of other people,
> eating overpriced junk-food and hanging out with your friends.
I could not agree more, except that I'm not thinking of baseball, but
cricket; and it's not the bleachers, but the village green; and there
aren't thousands of people, but dozens; and we're not eating overpriced
junk-food, but a sumptuous picnic. :)
>>> It was so sweet of Ross to choose to be a good friend in this story.
>>> It's obvious who she should be with, but it's nice that he's decided
>>> to take the high road for once.
>> Exactly, his brownie point meter was spinning round here.
> Yep, I just don't understand why they don't keep him like this.
I have the horrible feeling that Schwimmer prefers the other Ross. :(
>>> The first sign that she won't be staying for long?
>> Could be - Joey should know he's just a rebound guy. Maybe he does.
> Maybe they're both on the rebound.
Excellent point. Yes.
>> If only Rachel hadn't said that, Norway missed her chance again.
> I agree with Belphoebe here. I'd rather see them joke around about
> Sweden than listen to Phoebe making fun of the Norwegian accent and
> our national anthem. ;)
Let's just say I'm not going to mention a certain song contest. :(
>> You know Marita, I'm quite convinced that the NBC promos are ruining
>> everyone's enjoyment of the show. From what I'm hearing later on, all
>> the best bits are put in the promo, so there's no need for the casual
>> viewers to watch the actual episode, which hurts the ratings.
> I don't think this promo ruined anything for me. Besides, I enjoy
> watching the promos since they help the hype. However, the finale promos
> certainly revealed almost everything about the major storylines *and*
> the cliffhanger.. 'Nuff said.
Absolutely, I've seen those promos, I just couldn't believe my eyes.
NBC are bloody idiots.
>> Yes indeed, since they didn't even meet in Seasons 5 & 6, and didn't
>> have any quality time in Seasons 7 & 8. But she was good with Rachel
>> at the maternity ward, telling her a few (unreassuring) home truths.
> Yeah, she was so right about that, even though the RnR-fans wanted to
> kill her afterwards.
I think that the main problem which the RnR fans have is that they want
to blame everybody else, when the fault lies with Rachel & Ross.
Or on our side of the 4th wall, Marta & David.
>>> Now the writers only have to come up with a way of bringing her back
>>> in season 10.
>> Easy - it's about time she won her hat trick!
> Lol. Poor Joey.
I know. This could be the thing that does the dirty in S10.
>>> It was heartbreaking to see how Chandler tried to ease the blow by
>>> making a joke,
>> The barcalounger thing?
> Yep.
Ah.
>> Will you ever feel the same way about yours again?
> Hm, I've almost forgotten about it now.
Awww... poor little Cherilyn Stolveig!
When she was only 2 months old, you said you'd always love her; even though
she didn't have any speakers, or a special fridge for various beverages.
>> I thought it also neatly summed up their history, in a silly way; while
>> actually conveying the medical situation for viewers who need the help.
>> And on the far side of the 4th wall, yes I do think it helped Monica.
> He knows her so well.
Exactly, we've seen that, when he waggled her finger.
>>> and then hugging her in order to help them handle the news.
>> This is where the couple work so well, the antithesis of WTWT.
> Absolutely. ITA.
Rot13 about "Matrix Reloaded"...
V jnf fb cyrnfrq gb frr gung Arb & Gevavgl jrer vzzrqvngryl rfgnoyvfurq
nf n ybivat, pbzzvggrq pbhcyr - jvgubhg nal JGJG zrffvat nobhg jvgu gur
snaf. Rira gubhtu ur qvq unir gubfr avtugznevfu ivfvbaf pbapreavat ure,
tbbq byq Arb jnf noyr gb oevat ure guebhtu va gur raq.
Naq engure yvxr Zbavpn va QPKIVVV "GBJ Ebff Qngrf n Fghqrag", Gevavgl
qvfcynlrq bayl n *gbxra* wrnybhfl jura Arb unq gb xvff Crefrcubar.
> It was interesting to read posts at certain message boards after this
> episode. It seemed as though 9 out of 10 were reaching for the kleenex
> to dry away their tears during this scene.
I'm not surprised, but I would just like to see CCA shed a tear.
>> Well, of course it was that remark which had us both convinced was
>> foreshadowing, and how right we were.
> Yeah, it's interesting to look at these signs in hindsight.
Absolutely, and we were marrying off the Cobras in 713.
>>> However, seeing that they decided to keep trying, this might bring
>>> them even closer together.
>> Grin, you mean Monica will remember to tell him about parties? ;)
> Yep.
Good, seeing as how they're even - he didn't tell her in 714.
>> Don't forget that both Phoebe & Joey might also be infertile.
> Why would he be a sperm donor if he's infertile? You don't think the
> doctors would have noticed before they put him in the catalogue?
Ah. Good point, I didn't think of that. :)
Okay, so don't forget that Phoebe might still be infertile.
>> Well, "quite amusing" was about it. There was no hilarity.
> I thought it was hilarious, but I guess only Scandinavians will find
> "Iipan, stripan" really funny.
Well, yes.
So, what does "iipan, stripan" mean?
> I was reminded of when we had to learn the Swedish national anthem by
> heart in elementary school.
OMG, isn't that cultural imperialism?
>> Ah, but Ross will have to be an even nicer guy if Joey & Rachel get
>> together, and possibly all over again if he ends up with Phoebe.
> I'm afraid that will be the return of Mental Geller, and this time
> he'll be here to stay.
I'm afraid of that too, but I'm hoping they won't do it.
>>> Well, a stroller is hardly a baby, but I have a new theory about this
>> The main thing is that the baby has not gone the way of the farm birds.
> Or Chi-Chi.
RPGOL, could that be what happened?
>>> Could be. It would be another explanation why he never was a straight
>>> A-student in high-school and was more interested in other things.
>> Yeah, although those other things can be pretty damnedy distracting...
> Hehe.
:)
>>> And unlike this episode, "Coupling" had a happy ending as well.
>> Actually two happy endings, Jane's being more like Monica's...
> Are you thinking about Susan *and* Jane?
Yes.
> I was only referring to Susan's happy news.
I know, but what made that episode so great, and what I suspect the Yanks
will be most afraid to portray, is that Jane's happy news was opposite to
Susan's happy news, being along the same lines as Monica's unhappy news.
>> Most people in Britain don't even say things like "from church",
>> let alone have friends who do things like actually go there.
> Neither do we. It's a very American thing.
Yeah. On the Potter boards, the American fans are totally unable to
understand that Hogwarts is irreligious just because it's British.
>> But at least it seems that "Coupling USA" is going to be sufficiently
>> racy (in American terms) that it's going to be on at 9:30pm, which
>> means that it's not a replacement for "Friends". S11 beckons...
> You're clearing the schedule already, aren't you?
Stort smil.
>>> She has shown signs of this lack of knowledge in the past as well.
>> I think you're right, but which signs exactly?
> Belphoebe had a great list.
Yes she did. Okay.
>>> She did sound weird. It was the sound of her voice.
>> Okay, but she wasn't stop-you-in-your-tracks weird, was she?
> I thought she was annoyingly strange.
This is obviously a female-female thing.
> "Alrighty then" is Jim Carrey's catchphrase. It made him famous in
> Ace Ventura, and I'm pretty sure he has said it in some of his other
> movies as well. Of course, in his new movie, "Bruce Almighty," that
> catchphrase has apparently been changed to "almighty then!" (Jennifer
> plays his girlfriend in the flick.)
Ah yes, I've seen the trailer now.
>>> Or Phoebe could have been lying in 919.
>> She could, but why did she?
> Because she wanted to throw them off the track.
Who is "them"?
>> Because she needed an excuse to sing outside Javu's?
> That too.
Why?
>> Compare the way her pony tail sprouts up, just like the leaves in 919.
> You have some weird comparisons, you know that?
It's the weird way my mind works.
>> Are you talking about most of the time Phoebe was talking, or
>> just the very first bit before Rachel assumed it was Swedish?
> No, it was slightly Swedish from the beginning. "Ja, ja..."
Oh, okay.
> And even though we say that too, the Swedes have a more melodious
> language than we do.
Aww, Norwegian also sounds melodious to me.
> X-files did a pretty good job at making us look like hairy, paranoid
> imbeciles, so we're still recovering from that.
Well, don't forget you still had Slartibartfast's signature on the glacier.
>>> When I first saw her shocked face in the promo, I thought she looked
>>> like a nun.
>> To be honest, a nun was my first choice, but that seemed inappropriate.
> Well, nuns need massages just like the rest of us.
Indeedy, but I was lusting after her with her head stuck in a hole.
>>> I'm afraid people's knowledge of other countries is pretty horrible in
>>> most cases. ("Norway is the capital of Sweden, right?" "What does the
>>> British flag look like?")
>> LOL, all I know is the American engineers I meet are very knowledgeable.
> Well, I wasn't accusing Americans, just people in general. I like
> to think that people are rather clever, but I've been asked some
> incredibly stupid questions about both Europe and the USA. I don't
> think anything can surprise me anymore.
Okay, but these engineers took the trouble to learn about the cities
they were visiting, and were less ignorant than most Londoners are.
>>> Or maybe she's just working to get that robot.
>> Hehe, that's what working in reception, right?
> Yeah, it sounds like it. :)
Hehe.
>>>> When Phoebe goes back to work the next day, is she still wearing
>>>> her Shania Twain shoes?
>>> That's what I was wondering about.
>> Can you see?
>> I think they're the same colour.
> Yeah, they're grey/white or something like that.
Right. Thanks.
>> And what did Chandler say to the woman he met in Central Perk, in 214?
>> CHANDLER: I know what you're thinking, Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's.
> Exactly.
See - it all hangs together...
>>> I don't even want to think about it.
>> That's what Belphoebe said!
>> Are you worried about the chocolate?
> Ewww... I said I don't want to think about it.
Okay.
>>> Exactly. I heard some spoilers saying he was infertile a couple of
>>> weeks ago, but then it turned out it was the both of them. Otherwise,
>>> it could have been very tough on their relationship.
>> Might Monica have been tempted to dump him? (224)
>> Or go looking elsewhere? (716)
> Both. If there is one thing that can cause problems in their
> relationship, it's this.
Right, so it's most significant that the writers steered well clear.
>>> I heard somebody say that IVF won't work in their case.
>> It would if a sperm was artificially injected into an egg.
> The person I talked to said it wouldn't matter if it happened in a
> uterus or a petri dish. None of it would work.
Why?
>>> I've heard some rumours about season 10, so I'll shut up now.
>> Okay thanks, though none of S10 will have been written yet, I guess.
> No, but the rumour mill is very active. Plus, the comedian at the
> taping of 922 had apparently dropped some hints as well.
Really? What would he know?
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.fe7cd34bf5...@argonet.co.uk...
>> Phoebe's best friend is Monica, and Rachel's best friend is Monica.
>> Chandler's best friend is Monica, and Monica's best friend is Chandler.
>> Ross's best friend is Joey, and Joey's best friend is Chandler.
> What a popular girl Monica is!
She's the mother hen.
> It's interesting that Rachel had that discussion with Ross about best
> friends in 9.01
9.02
> (Joey = "best friend"; Chandler = "oldest friend")
> when, in 5.14, it was, "My best friend [Chandler] and my sister!"
Absolutely. These things change over time, though right now I'll stand by
my analysis of 907, although during the season Phoebe has been tending to
turn from Monica to Ross - which or may not be a good sign for RnP fans.
>> Ah, if only Ross would learn to learn from his experiences.
> Yes (if only the writers would allow him to!).
Of course, but that's on the other side of the wall.
>> You fear she might tug at their tail feathers?
> I'd be worried they'd view her as a hostile creature and
> peck/bite/otherwise attack.
Well, I think Rachel is more laid-back about that, at least if 418
"TOW Rachel's New Dress" is anything to go by; while I guess Emma is
doing a better job of getting her up in the mornings.
OTOH, Marita reckons that Dick & Yasmine are running around with all
the rabbits on the Millners' farm in Connecticut. What do you think?
>>>>> I sometimes catch myself doing in when giving directions, but I
>>>>> always realize I'm doing it and correct myself in time.
>>>> Eep, sometimes I'm not quick enough. It's the road's fault, anyway.
>>> Yes, because the roads *should be* the other way around! :)
>> Absolutely!
> :)
It's so great that someone understands.
>> And having already proved that he's a good guy, Ross then proceeded to
>> be a very good guy, by making Charlie give Joey a second chance.
> The Ross we like. :)
The Ross we like.
I just wish that David Schwimmer did.
>> For myself, I'm happy to have 20 extra episodes as long as at least
>> one of those is superb - I'll sigh about the other 19 and move on.
>> OTOH, my brother-in-law is the hugest fan of "Fawlty Towers", which
>> had two seasons of six episodes each - and he insists that it would
>> be totally ruined if there were even a seventh per season, and even
>> if such an episode was just as good as all the others.
> So your BIL is a purist about this issue. . . .
Yep.
> (And Manuel is from Barcelona!)
Of course, but why did you say that?
> I hope this doesn't become the trend. I saw Julia Louis-Dreyfuss (Elaine
> of _Seinfeld_) on a talk show, and I think she said she was doing just
> six episodes of her show _Watching Ellie_ this season. And last season
> (her first), I think she did something like 13 or 18 episodes.
Well, the thing is, I don't see why the cast can't do 18 episodes while
the production staff make a full 24 episodes, it's easy enough.
>>>> Could Phoebe have been lying about the whole licence thing?
>>> You mean lying about having lost it, or not admitting to her
>>> new employer that she'd lost it?
>> Ah.
>> I meant lying about having lost it, but your suggestion of her not
>> admitting to her new employer that she'd lost it makes more sense.
> In any event, it's good that she's working again. And maybe she won't get
> in trouble for her tax evasion during her freelance period.
Is the IRS as soft on evasion as our lot are? (ie not at all.)
>> Phoebe's remark would be awfully frustrating if it was not followed
>> by Ross's reply;
> Of course--how cruelly tantalizing it would be. That's why I so
> benevolently included that follow-up (and the Phoebe-Ross moment of
> bonding was for you!). ;)
Awww... *thankyou* sweetie!
>> but something as simple as Rachel's dress would be
>> just fine. The problem for many Scandinavians is that the Americans
>> (but not you) seem to think that the whole area is called Sweden.
> Yeesh. That *is* bad.
Yep.
>> Marita ruefully says that when Americans ask where she's from, and
>> she says Norway, they assume that Norway is the capital of Sweden!
> Gah. How stupid. Sorry on their behalf, Marita!
We get questions like "is Wales in England or Scotland?"
>> This is probably why the count for "Friends" is as follows...
>> Denmark 0
>> Finland 0
>> Norway 0
>> Sweden 12
>> ..we might have had some debate about whether to include Joey eating
>> a danish or not, but even that hasn't come up.
> They could have Pedantic!Ross setting the others straight about
> Scandanavian geography and give them all a passing mention. . . . .
Ooh, good idea.
> Of course, Ross's failure to remember the 50 states makes that less
> likely. :(
Yes, he did quite badly, especially considering that Rachel got 48 inside
the 6 minute time limit, which is excellent. And for all we know, Joey did
well also, since we don't know how many of his 56 were incorrect - Monica
gave up after 36, while Phoebe didn't even try.
>> I once spent about a year trying to find a word that was the *exact*
>> opposite of "isolation". Imagine my delight to stumble across it...
> Do share!
propinquity
> Do you remember comedian Stephen Wright's line about "what's a synonym
> for thesaurus"?
Lol no, although an answer which would puzzle most is "storeroom".
>> An interesting gimmick, should Jennifer Aniston fall pregnant, would
>> be for her & Courteney to switch places, with CCA as Rachel Green, and
>> JA as Monica Bing. Of course, BKC wouldn't have the guts to do it, (but
>> probably the producers of "Drew Carey" would), even though these were
>> the roles for which the two actresses originally auditioned.
> Yeah, _Friends_ would never do that. As for _Drew Carey_, I think they've
> gone so far in the over-the-top, stuntish direction that the show has been
> mostly unwatchable for a while. Drew in a coma, inhabiting his baby
> nephew's body, etc. etc. Ick. I haven't tuned in for a while. . . .
I quite enjoyed "A Very Special Drew" which took the piss out of other
TV shows which put on special editions aimed at the Emmy people.
>>>>>> But it was Ross who'd told Monica.
>>>>> Sure, that's why the "probably." But I'm offering a *possible*
>>>>> alternative.
>>>> Yes dear. So, in your possible alternative, Chandler lied about Ross?
>>> Nooooo. Ross told Monica, but didn't tell Janice in my version (or do I
>>> misunderstand what you mean about "lied about Ross"?)
>> I was wondering if you posited that Chandler lied to Monica that it was
>> Ross who knew that Chandler had waltzed in a Wendy's car park.
> But that wouldn't make sense, as Monica knows who told her about it. If
> it weren't Ross who'd told her, she surely would have offered the true
> alternative ("Ross, schmoss, you talk in your sleep, mister!).
Quite so.
>>> The "I'd rather not think about its" have it. :)
>> Okay, with due concern for your delicate sensibilities, I've adopted
>> the euphemism of "waltzing". :-)
> Awwww. . . :)
YW
> But doesn't a waltz require a partner?
That's right - named "Tilda". (Or "Tildur", if you want a male name.)
> Would Billy Idol's "Dancing With Myself" be too long? ;)
The longer the better, I guess. ;)
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.9816254bf4...@argonet.co.uk...
>> In article <3ec3481...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
>> bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 May 2003 21:24:55 BST, Tennant Stuart
>>> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Jealous Rachel. Did anybody say deja-vu?
>> It is very like 201, isn't it? Extrapolating at about 18 eps/season...
> Heyyyyy. . . . Why does Joey get to be Mr, Almost-Perfect in this
> scenario?
Because Joey is not a loser.
> If they were to go with these parallels, it would only be fair that Joey
> should receive the same treatment Ross has:
I believe I see an agenda coming on... ;)
>> 1112 "TOW Rachel Quits", Rachel quits Ralph Lauren to be a housewife
> Rachel quits Ralph Lauren for an even better job at Isaac Mizrahi
What's that?
>> 1114 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross is jealous of Joey & Rachel
> Rachel is working very hard on a work project, with a very handsome
> colleague played by a special "heartthrob" guest star. She works overtime
> for two weeks straight, cancelling plans she has with Joey, who becomes
> jealous and passive aggressive.
You're just repeating the old episode, with Joey behaving like Ross would.
>> 1117 "TOW Joey and Rachel Take a Break", Joey & Rachel go to the Poconos
> They go on a "break," a la RnR, after having a fight about the coworker.
I don't think you've quite grasped the game here, sweetie.
> Despite Ross's urging Joey not to make the same stupid mistakes he did,
> Joey leaps to conclusions after the coworker answers Rachel's cell phone
> when she's in the bathroom.
No. Joey would talk to Rachel about it.
That's what Joey said he thought Ross had done in the same situation.
> He then sleeps with a pretty extra from _DoOL_.
That's something which Joey only did because Rachel rejected him.
>> 1118 "TOT Morning After", Joey nurses Rachel's hangover
> Rachel decides to get back together, but changes her mind when Gunther
> (who used to work with the extra's roommate back when he was Bryce on
> _All My Children_) breaks the news.
Still rehashing Season 3. Joey is not Ross.
>> 1119 "TO Without the Ski Trip", Rachel is too ill to go skiing
> A near carbon copy of the original episode (with Joey as the excluded
> party), but with Ross trying to smooth things over for everyone.
The idea, Belphoebe, is how *different* things would be with Joey.
>> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
> Rachel has a crush on Isaac Mizrahi's new assistant, Floyd.
Yawn.
>> 1308 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", Rachel buys her new wedding dress
> Rachel tries to entice Floyd with a skimpy dress she made herself, only to
> be embarrassed to discover Floyd has a husband.
Oh, now at least that sounds original.
Does Rachel sew?
>> 1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
> Joey asks Monica to pick up his bride's dress because she has to go out of
> town for a while. . . . (see below)
That's what happened in Season 4.
And it would be one of his sisters, not Ross's sister.
>> 1313/4 "TOW Joey's Wedding", At last the happy day for Joey & Rachel
> Joey's getting married to Kate Miller, after she starts a job at DoOL and
> their passion is quickly reignited.
It's not impossible that Kate Miller might return, but if the plotting
has any continuity, Joey would react quite negatively to her.
>> 1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
> Joey says "Rachel" when he's supposed to say "Kate." Ross mutters, "I
> *told* him to write it on his hand!"
But at least it would show that Joey was still in love with Rachel?
Tennant Stuart
Paul Hyett <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In alt.tv.friends on Wed, 7 May 2003 at 21:24:55,
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>> I never suspected that it would be both of them.
> I don't see your usual post-C4-review, so I'll reply to this :
I don't see why not, the new version was up just after the episode
aired. But don't worry, I'll mark the bits you missed with a star.
>> 921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
>> The morning after Joey kissed Charlie, Ross seems quite philosophical
>> about it; but Rachel is seething with jealousy - which is not helped
>> by Joey sauntering into Central Perk, holding Charlie's hand.
* Ross hides his attraction to Charlie, who apologises for going off
with someone else at the party, yet she can't disguise that what she
really likes about Joey is his sexual magnetism, not his intellect.
> Is Ross just better at covering his feelings?
From most of them yes, but Joey immediately sussed him out in Season 1.
>> But for such an intelligent woman, Charlie has little idea of how to
>> relate to Joey. Instead of discovering his world, or even opening his
>> eyes to a higher culture, she lets him flounder out of his depth.
> I think they have *nothing* in common (tonsils aside). :)
Of course, they're both just on the rebound.
>> Joey turns to Ross, who demonstrates his good virtue by teaching his
>> best friend exactly what to say to her. Joey is an apt pupil, soaking
>> up the art of talking about famous painters, without having a clue of
>> what it all means - but impressing Ross that he learns so quickly.
> Heard of the expression 'idiot savant'?
Yes, and that doesn't apply to Joey, who is not autistic.
He's no genius, but he's not the dumbass you keep assuming him to be.
He's a successful actor who has no trouble remembering his lines, which
makes him better than Matthew Perry, according to filming reports.
* However, Charlie isn't fooled in the slightest, since Joey took a
wrong turn at the museum, and he eloquently talked about the wrong
paintings. She admits to Ross that Joey is not the man for her, and
reveals that what she wants is someone she has more in common with.
>> Ross valiantly passes up this opportunity to swoop in, and instead he
>> insists that she should give Joey another chance; since he's a really
>> great guy, while she can always talk art with somebody else. Charlie
>> thanks him, and happily steps out with her new boyfriend once more.
> He's taking the subtle approach - maybe he doesn't want to 'do time'
> in a packing case...
Lol, that's an excellent point! :)
>> Rachel receives a gift certificate from a new spa, but Phoebe objects
>> to corporate massage chains, then rips the certificate up. Undaunted,
>> Rachel tapes it back together, to go to the spa for a free massage.
>> However, Phoebe is secretly working there, despite her principles,
>> since they pay good money. Essaying an accent, she instructs Rachel
>> to put her face in the hole of the table, then lets her assume that
>> she's Swedish - but Rachel recognises Phoebe's new shoes.
>> Revealing she knows the truth, Rachel confronts her, prompting her to
>> quit the spa for her principles. Phoebe agrees, but she's lying again,
>> and returns to work the next day. Thus when she sees that her first
>> client is Rachel Green, Phoebe pretends to be Scottish!
> Who comes off worst here?
Phoebe, and Rachel hasn't even taken her revenge yet...
>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>> it's time for a fertility test. At the clinic, he's very nervous about
>> depositing a specimen in a cup, so she assures him there's nothing to
>> be embarrassed about, since nobody there knows them. In walks Janice.
> YIKES!
I knowww!
It was *so* good to see her again, though I wish she'd take elocution
lessons. As you know, Maggie Wheeler has a lovely voice.
>> Janice has come to get her husband Sid checked out, but the Bings
>> cannot believe their bad luck, especially when subjected to Janice's
>> most braying laughs, and then she offers to give Chandler a hand!
> YIKES^2!
I knowwwwwww!
Yes, "Friends" can still get the dirty jokes in, when it wants to.
>> But once Chandler has made his contribution, he relaxes, and finds
>> Janice to be pleasant company.
> Or maybe there were too many potential witnesses... :)
Awww...
When they sat together, her voice softened a bit, and it was good to
see that Chandler & Janice can just be friends. A nice moment.
* Though she warns him that getting the results is the hard part, she
assures him that he & Monica will be just fine, since they were meant
to have children.
>> Yet the results show that both Bings are infertile - his sperm have
>> low motility, while she has an inhospitable environment. Monica starts
>> to cry, so Chandler holds her tight in his comforting embrace, and he
>> solemnly promises her that they are going to figure this one out...
> I don't think they are 100% infertile though - clearly they've left the
> 'surprise natural conception' option open. Don't forget that Judy Geller
> was supposed to be barren.
Absolutely. They have to do this, in case CCA falls pregnant.
>> Don't you just love episodes with unresolved bleak endings?
> No!
It can't be all sweetness & light, you know.
It's the tough times that make the good times even better.
>> Those happily married Bings have been heading for something like
>> this for a while now, and when the blow came, it came hard.
> What about IVF? Or might Phoebe be an 'incubator' again?
I've discussed IVF in one of the sections you missed. I've put it
back in, (marked with a star), just above the end of this post.
>> However, the tale was invigorated by this season's appearance of
>> Janice Littman, for Maggie Wheeler was on tremendous form.
> Indeed.
Right. I'm hoping we'll see more of her in Season 10, especially
if they make 22-24 episodes with the main cast in only 18.
>> CnM fans must be hoping that Janice's prediction comes true.
> Must have missed that.
You snipped that section without reading it, so I've put it back in
with all the other stuff you missed. Janice told Chandler that he &
Monica will be just fine, since they were meant to have children.
* Meanwhile, Rachel's story leapt to a promising start for JnR fans,
then rather lost its way in a slight piece that deserved better.
* However, Joey & Ross once again proved what a tremendous duo they
can be, with both actors punching above their weight. Though Charlie
is little more than a cute prop, she catalysed some marvellous scenes
between the guys, giving Matt LeBlanc a chance to show what Joey can
do, and enabling David Schwimmer to give us back the Ross we want.
>> Ooh, who's that sitting in Central Perk between Phoebe & Rachel? It's
>> Emma's pushchair! This becomes obvious after Rachel talks about Ross
>> being the father of her child, and she stretches her right arm out.
> Was Emma actually there though?
Emma was, but I guess there was no baby in there.
>> Who is Gizzy? The 12yo child of a crew member, or a lucky fan? This
>> episode was aired on May first, and the Magnadoodle board on Joey's
>> door reads "Happy Birthday Gizzy 5:1:91".
> I noticed that, too.
Yeah, in a weird way it reminded me of Gizzy Dillespie...
>> Joey's never been very good at telling his left from his right,
>> has he? Could this be a sign of dyslexia?
> Wouldn't that make reading scripts a BIG problem?
Well yes, which is why he reads more slowly. However, here we saw Ross
reading to him from cue cards, and Joey was picking the difficult stuff
up very quickly, which of course really impressed Ross.
>> You know, despite what Joey says about monster trucks, (and that
>> was a funny line),
> I thought it was just a throwaway one.
Yes, it was, both by Joey and the scriptwriters.
>> he's a bloody fast study, isn't he? For someone
>> who's being written off as a dumbass, he sure learnt all of that
>> complex text quickly. And not understanding what all those words
>> mean makes them harder to learn, not easier.
> See my 'idiot savant' comment.
Doesn't apply to Joey, he's not autistic.
>> Why do Americans hang paintings in museums, and not art galleries?
* If you're wondering why Americans hang paintings in museums, and not
art galleries, it seems that their galleries are mere art shops.
>> Why didn't the boys set up a system with secret mobile phones so that
>> Ross could play Cyrano to Joey's Christian?
> I don't think they had cellphones back in Cyrano's day. :)
Hehe, in those days it was just letters.
* Because this would have made this episode even more similar to an
episode of "Coupling"? As it stands, there are many other similarities
to the Fertility Clinic episode of "Coupling", which was far funnier,
though much ruder.
* When Phoebe enters the apartment, look out for Rachel folding some
baby clothes, another little hint about Emma's existence.
>> So now it's Phoebe turn to be the butt of dumb jokes? Wasting money
>> on shoes belonging to a late Shania Twain? That doesn't sound to me
>> like the wily girl who survived all those years on the streets.
> She's gone 'soft'?
Well, that's true, we've heard Phoebe say so herself.
>> And what's up with Monica? I guess she's worried about the coming
>> fertility test, but why is she taking it out on Rachel? First she
>> confronts Rachel in front of their friends for caring about the
>> kiss,
> 'Confronts' is a little strong - IMO she gently reminds Rachel that
> she can't talk about her feelings for Joey.
I'm not referring to Rachel's dream, this kiss is the one that Joey
& Charlie shared at the party the night before.
>> and then she tells Phoebe that Rachel wants to go hunting.
> That was a joke.
It was still harsh.
>> Meanwhile, Rachel's promises as a friend aren't worth much are they?
> About as much as Phoebe's principles?
Maybe, but when Phoebe breaks her principles she betrays only herself.
* What's wrong with the receptionist's voice? She's nicely spoken,
but so what? Or does she only sound weird to Americans?
* Mind you, couldn't you just listen to Jennifer Aniston's honeyed
tones saying "through the glass doors" all day?
* On the other hand, why does Rachel have to go back through the glass
doors, when that means going outside the reception area?
* Is a large corporate massage spa less scrupulous than an independent
massage parlour about hiring any masseuse whose licence is currently
revoked? Okay, so that was only for two weeks, but Joey's soap opera
party took place the day before, and Rachel's dream can't have been
long before that. So, is this really why Phoebe went to work there?
* Or is it just that Phoebe lied about her revoked licence at the spa?
>> Phoebe looks so good in her starched white uniform, doesn't she?
> If that's what turns you on... :)
Grin.
>> But with her hair up like that, does she remind you of a pineapple?
> What's with the pineapples all of a sudden... :)
Because of the pineapple scene at the start of 919 "TOW Rachel's Dream".
* Is it like Phoebe to abandon her principles for money? Well, she
abandoned her principles pretty quickly for love, didn't she?
>> What accent was Phoebe attempting before Rachel assumed the masseuse
>> was Swedish? Could it possibly have been Norwegian?
> Danish?
Possibly, but I was hoping it would be Norwegian to please Marita
Bakken. However, it turns out that Phoebe was speaking in a poor
Swedish accent from the getgo; and anyway Marita was relieved that
it wasn't the Norwegian national anthem that got mangled.
* Is it just me, or does Rachel look incredibly beautiful with her face
in the hole? Is it because she looks like a medieval princess?
* And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
* Phoebe says the spa gives her a four-oh-wonk, which is obviously her
way of saying 401-K. So does this mean that Chandler eventually told
her that it was a tax advantaged retirement plan, and not a robot?
>> When Phoebe goes back to work the next day, is she still wearing
>> her Shania Twain shoes?
> Depends if Phoebe was told that's how she was recognised.
Oh! Good point! You're right, Rachel never told her (that we know of)
so Phoebe wouldn't know to leave the shoes in the closet. Thanks.
* I don't know how good or bad Phoebe's Norwegian/Swedish accent was,
but I can assure you that her Scottish accent was terrible!
* In the evening, wearing the same clothes as that morning, Monica asks
Chandler what they're doing tonight. Since sex is out of the equation,
why didn't he tell his wife that he's taking her & Phoebe to see the
one-woman play? This was all the day after the party, yet the previous
episode ended with the trio at the theatre. Of course, that could've
been on a further night, but they would have not been in the mood...
>> Chandler & Monica have been trying to have a baby for over a year, so
>> that means Emma is over a year old. What happened to her birthday?
> What's happened to Emma, period?
Exciting developments are afoot.
I can't say more, but I think you'll be pleased...
* When Chandler says he has a weird feeling about the clinic, is
that his stand-in sitting by the door?
* Would I be right to suspect that a fertility test should be far more
troubling for a woman than it is for a man? An invasive vaginal exam
does not sound like a picnic in the park to me.
>> So, when did Ross tell Janice about Chandler masturbating in a Taco
>> Bell car park? Was it during their brief liaison in Season Five?
> What's 'Wendies'?
It's "Wendy's", a rival fast-food chain to Taco Bell. See also below.
* And how come Monica masturbated on a class trip to the Hershey Bar
factory? Did being surrounded by all that chocolate turn her on?
* The jokes about Taco Bell & Wendy's could be oblique references
to future plots. It's hard to see a connection with a roller coaster
making Ross unwell, but Wendy's was founded by Dave Thomas, who now
according to http://www.davethomasfoundationforadoption.org/ helps
in adoption of teenagers. Furthermore, in 214 "TOW the Prom Video",
Chandler joked that he was Dave Thomas while chatting up a girl.
* Isn't it extremely unlikely that a doctor's office would give such
results over the phone to only one member of a couple? A good doctor
would call them both in for a consultation to deliver any bad news.
>> Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>> shock, wasn't it?
> And pretty stupid.
Why was it stupid?
* That was a shock, wasn't it? Of course, it does seem unlikely, but
that's not to say that it cannot happen.
>> More significant is what this means to the overall plot in a thematic
>> sense, for this suggests that the writers are reluctant to undermine
>> the strength of the Bing relationship, as surely would have happened if
>> only one (Chandler) was at 'fault'.
> Maybe.
Well, think how badly things might have gone for him.
* So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? How about Joey's?
* An intriguing possibility arises if Monica is unable to donate an
egg, for a variety of medical reasons. In that case, the egg would
come from some other woman, and then there would be no reason why
the sperm shouldn't be from Ross, indeed he'd be the ideal choice.
>> There are stories (again) in the tabloid press that Courteney is
>> pregnant at last. I hope for her sake that they're true, but what
>> if they are not? Is it this on which the Season 10 arc depends?
> IMO that's why they've left the issue open.
Oh yes?
>> Did you get the symbolism of the dead barcalounger?
> No.
Okay, I was only kidding, anyway. :)
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.7007a34bf7...@argonet.co.uk...
>>> I wonder why we superimposed the word "corn" rather than using "maize"
>>> to begin with. Colonial arrogance, perhaps?
>> It could partly be colonial arrogance, but it's also a longing for
>> home, the same way as many place names.
> Ooh, good point. Living in upstate New York, I've got quite the array of
> places named after English and Dutch locations. . . .
Well, New York used to be New Amsterdam, didn't it?
>> A neat example is Boston, Massachusetts where the state is an American
>> name, while the city itself is named after the town of Boston in
>> Lincolnshire.
> Rotterdam, New York, anyone? :)
Lol, I think that 'our' Rotterdam is a tad bigger than yours. :P
> Certainly many animal & plant species
>> are given identical names even though they're genetically unrelated.
> They should all be called "Bruce" to avoid confusion. ;)
Ah, a most philosophical suggestion!
But make all the animals "Bruce", all the plants you can call "Sheila".
>>> IKWYM, but I've reached a point where I won't be sorry to see the show
>>> end--at least so long as the stories are wrapped up in a satisfying way.
>> Well, one woman's satisfying way can be another woman's feeling sick.
> True--and unfortunately, I suspect there isn't any possible ending that
> would satisfy everyone. :(
That's true, and I blame the stunt plots that concluded Seasons 3/4/5/7
which jerked too many fans around, and gave the poor dears false hopes.
Let's hope the new cliffhanger follows on naturally from the rest of S9.
>>>> It's the dynamic of the whole ensemble which appeals to me, which is
>>>> why I'm not hung on the couples as some people allege.
>>> Interesting. You do seem to be fairly adamant about your preferred
>>> pairings.
>> A lot of people seem to get the wrong idea about that, as is best shown
>> by the way that they do not even get my preferred pairings correct.
> I can understand why. As I understand it, your "official" preferred
> pairings are those suggested in TOW the Flashback (R & P, J & M, C & R).
That's right, and I'm glad you put that silly word in quote marks. :)
> However, you often point out that you consider C & M an extremely well
> suited couple, and that J & R are very good together.
Well, they are; so I've done what other fans should do, and put my
personal preferences to one side, since I'm more a fan of the whole
show than I am of any particular pairing.
But I've complained many times in the past when the show has featured
CnM stories without having anything good for them to do, which is why
I was kinda wondering if the Tulsa story would result in upheaval.
My guess is that CnM stick together like glue since the writers realise
their mistake in breaking up RnR in S3, just because they couldn't think
of anything else to do with them, so they won't do that again.
But that same theory tends to mitigate against any other couples becoming
established, so future progress will probably be reserved for the run-up
to a series finale - which might yet be later than May 2004.
> It seems R & P are the only pair from those "Flashback" configurations
> that you actively advocate now.
That's right, since if it came true I'd at least have one out of three.
In the meanwhile, there have been some delightful moments, such as the
engagement photo, the fantasy sequence where Joey & Monica were married,
and the dessert stealers living outside the law. :)
And right now I'm hoping that Joey will father Monica's baby.
> At this point, wouldn't you be upset if Chandler and Monica suddenly
> divorced and hooked up with--respectively--Rachel and Joey? It seems
> it would be a case of "be careful what you wish for."
I agree. It would make no sense in the structure of the show. However,
if the fertility issue gradually became a problem, and over the course
of a year or so, Chandler & Monica were pulled apart through no fault of
their own, it would make great television if it was sensitively handled
and beautifully acted. Then maybe there'd be a realignment in say S13.
>> It's certainly the case that some people here like making entirely
>> inaccurate predictions of what I'm going to write, which is fair
>> enough; then go on to criticise me for those future words, which is
>> well out of order.
> That's what happens to celebrities. ;)
Lol!
Thankyou Belphoebe, for making me feel better in such a flattering way. :)
Jess
> He's a successful actor who has no trouble remembering his lines, which
> makes him better than Matthew Perry, according to filming reports.
Oh please. What "reports" would those be?
Why are you comparing a fictional character to a real person anyway?
Tennant Stuart
ddf...@hotmail.com (Jess) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.da136b4bf9...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> He's a successful actor who has no trouble remembering his lines, which
>> makes him better than Matthew Perry, according to filming reports.
> Oh please. What "reports" would those be?
Reports of various episodes being filmed at the studio. The most recent
example was the finale part 2, when Matthew Perry had a lot of trouble
with some of the lines, and seemed very frustrated with himself. He was
always apologising, and at one point he even walked off the set for a
little bit to recuperate. The fans felt sorry for him feeling that way.
> Why are you comparing a fictional character to a real person anyway?
It's a point of reference.
Paul Hyett
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>
>> I don't see your usual post-C4-review, so I'll reply to this :
>
>I don't see why not, the new version was up just after the episode
>aired. But don't worry, I'll mark the bits you missed with a star.
It eventually appeared, but not until after I replied to the original.
>
>>> 921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
>
>> Is Ross just better at covering his feelings?
>
>From most of them yes, but Joey immediately sussed him out in Season 1.
About what?
>
>Of course, they're both just on the rebound.
>
Ross hasn't even been dating much recently, so who's he rebounding from?
>
>> Heard of the expression 'idiot savant'?
>
>Yes, and that doesn't apply to Joey, who is not autistic.
I made no mention of autism.
>
>It was *so* good to see her again, though I wish she'd take elocution
>lessons. As you know, Maggie Wheeler has a lovely voice.
Do I know that?
>
>> I don't think they are 100% infertile though - clearly they've left the
>> 'surprise natural conception' option open. Don't forget that Judy Geller
>> was supposed to be barren.
>
>Absolutely. They have to do this, in case CCA falls pregnant.
I didn't think *getting* pregnant was the problem, but keeping it going?
>
>You snipped that section without reading it, so I've put it back in
>with all the other stuff you missed. Janice told Chandler that he &
>Monica will be just fine, since they were meant to have children.
I thought it was Phoebe who was psychic? :)
>
>Well yes, which is why he reads more slowly. However, here we saw Ross
>reading to him from cue cards, and Joey was picking the difficult stuff
>up very quickly, which of course really impressed Ross.
Shame he went the wrong way in the museum then...
>
>> See my 'idiot savant' comment.
>
>Doesn't apply to Joey, he's not autistic.
What does autism have to do with it?
>
>* On the other hand, why does Rachel have to go back through the glass
>doors, when that means going outside the reception area?
>
Because her gift certificate was damaged?
>
>* And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
>to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
How do we know she wasn't always bad at geography?
>
>> Depends if Phoebe was told that's how she was recognised.
>
>Oh! Good point! You're right, Rachel never told her (that we know of)
>so Phoebe wouldn't know to leave the shoes in the closet. Thanks.
I'd have thought it was her voice that gave her away, as Rachel was
suspicious already.
>
>> What's happened to Emma, period?
>
>Exciting developments are afoot.
>
>I can't say more, but I think you'll be pleased...
They use a real baby, rather than a robot? :)
>
>>> Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>>> shock, wasn't it?
>
>> And pretty stupid.
>
>Why was it stupid?
One perhaps, but not both.
>
>* So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
>as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
>being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
>motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
>that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? How about Joey's?
No!
>
>* An intriguing possibility arises if Monica is unable to donate an
>egg, for a variety of medical reasons. In that case, the egg would
>come from some other woman, and then there would be no reason why
>the sperm shouldn't be from Ross, indeed he'd be the ideal choice.
So Monica could do a 'Phoebe' and freak people out by saying 'My brother
is the baby's father? :)
Belphoebe
> In article <kCQya.1857$e11....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.9816254bf4...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> >> In article <3ec3481...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
> >> bakk...@plu.edu (Marita Bakken) wrote:
>
> >>> On Wed, 07 May 2003 21:24:55 BST, Tennant Stuart
> >>> <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> Jealous Rachel. Did anybody say deja-vu?
>
> >> It is very like 201, isn't it? Extrapolating at about 18 eps/season...
>
> > Heyyyyy. . . . Why does Joey get to be Mr, Almost-Perfect in this
> > scenario?
>
> Because Joey is not a loser.
I don't consider Ross a loser, and he certainly wasn't before the writers
decided to destroy him.
> > If they were to go with these parallels, it would only be fair that Joey
> > should receive the same treatment Ross has:
>
> I believe I see an agenda coming on... ;)
Right back atcha with the "perfect Joey" agenda!
>
> >> 1112 "TOW Rachel Quits", Rachel quits Ralph Lauren to be a housewife
>
> > Rachel quits Ralph Lauren for an even better job at Isaac Mizrahi
> What's that?
He's a fashion designer.
> >> 1114 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross is jealous of Joey & Rachel
>
> > Rachel is working very hard on a work project, with a very handsome
> > colleague played by a special "heartthrob" guest star. She works
overtime
> > for two weeks straight, cancelling plans she has with Joey, who becomes
> > jealous and passive aggressive.
>
> You're just repeating the old episode, with Joey behaving like Ross would.
Sure, that was the whole point of "deja vu" with Rachel bristling at the
sight of Joey with Charlie, as she did with Julie and Ross.
> >> 1117 "TOW Joey and Rachel Take a Break", Joey & Rachel go to the
Poconos
>
> > They go on a "break," a la RnR, after having a fight about the coworker.
>
> I don't think you've quite grasped the game here, sweetie.
I think I have more than you realize.
> > Despite Ross's urging Joey not to make the same stupid mistakes he did,
> > Joey leaps to conclusions after the coworker answers Rachel's cell phone
> > when she's in the bathroom.
>
> No. Joey would talk to Rachel about it.
Not if the writers decided to give him the "Ross" treatment, thereby
redefining his personality.
> That's what Joey said he thought Ross had done in the same situation.
But NuJoey would react badly.
> > He then sleeps with a pretty extra from _DoOL_.
>
> That's something which Joey only did because Rachel rejected him.
He'd be feeling rejected again. Especially after he consulted with
Chandler, who was distracted that day and gave him some very bad
off-the-cuff advice while attempting to get a stain out of the carpet before
Monica got home.
> >> 1118 "TOT Morning After", Joey nurses Rachel's hangover
>
> > Rachel decides to get back together, but changes her mind when Gunther
> > (who used to work with the extra's roommate back when he was Bryce on
> > _All My Children_) breaks the news.
>
> Still rehashing Season 3. Joey is not Ross.
OldRoss wasn't NuRoss, either.
> >> 1119 "TO Without the Ski Trip", Rachel is too ill to go skiing
>
> > A near carbon copy of the original episode (with Joey as the excluded
> > party), but with Ross trying to smooth things over for everyone.
You want WonderfulJoey; I get to write a WonderfulRoss.
> The idea, Belphoebe, is how *different* things would be with Joey.
And my point is that the writers could just as easily make Joey the villain
if they decided to break up J & R the way they had decided to break up R &
R.
> >> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
>
> > Rachel has a crush on Isaac Mizrahi's new assistant, Floyd.
>
> Yawn.
Hey, I restrained my yawns when being hit over the head by how "perfect"
Joey would be! :P
> >> 1308 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", Rachel buys her new wedding dress
>
> > Rachel tries to entice Floyd with a skimpy dress she made herself, only
to
> > be embarrassed to discover Floyd has a husband.
>
> Oh, now at least that sounds original.
>
> Does Rachel sew?
She decided to try. She hadn't tried to sew since home ec in the seventh
grade, when she ended up making a blouse with two right sleeves, and
ultimately paid Monica to do her project for her.
But this time, she folded a big piece of fabric in half, sewed the sides (so
it resembled a big pillow case), then cut a big head hole at the top fold,
and arm holes at the sides. Then she shredded up the bottom (to make
jaggedy fringes), put it on, and belted it smartly at the waist. (This is
how I made dresses for my Barbie dolls when I was a kid!)
> >> 1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
>
> > Joey asks Monica to pick up his bride's dress because she has to go out
of
> > town for a while. . . . (see below)
>
> That's what happened in Season 4.
>
> And it would be one of his sisters, not Ross's sister.
Unless the producers didn't feel like casting or rehiring a Tribbiani
sister.
> >> 1313/4 "TOW Joey's Wedding", At last the happy day for Joey & Rachel
>
> > Joey's getting married to Kate Miller, after she starts a job at DoOL
and
> > their passion is quickly reignited.
>
> It's not impossible that Kate Miller might return, but if the plotting
> has any continuity, Joey would react quite negatively to her.
The writers decided they wanted to have Joey and Kate fall in love and plan
to marry, so they said, "to heck with continuity!"
> >> 1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
>
> > Joey says "Rachel" when he's supposed to say "Kate." Ross mutters, "I
> > *told* him to write it on his hand!"
>
> But at least it would show that Joey was still in love with Rachel?
As much as Ross's wedding showed *he* was still in love with Rachel. But of
course, he'd have to decide he'd want to make of go of it with Kate, and
Rach would decide Joey was too emotionally messed up for her to pursue him
just then, and the JnR fans would go through the same torture the RnR fans
did. :X
But I'm not endorsing a rehash of past plots--I'm just being delightfully
contrary. :P
Belphoebe
Jess
> In article <40d2144a.03052...@posting.google.com>,
> ddf...@hotmail.com (Jess) wrote:
>
> > Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:<na.da136b4bf9...@argonet.co.uk>...
> Reports of various episodes being filmed at the studio. The most recent
> example was the finale part 2, when Matthew Perry had a lot of trouble
> with some of the lines, and seemed very frustrated with himself. He was
> always apologising, and at one point he even walked off the set for a
> little bit to recuperate. The fans felt sorry for him feeling that way.
Well, sometimes it helps to know the context of a situation, and I can
tell you that Matthew was also learning his lines for his guest
appearance on The West Wing for the following day, and preparing to
leave for London for his play like a couple of days later, while they
were filming TO In Barbados. The reports from this year's finale are
the only ones I have ever heard where he is mentioned as having
difficulty with his lines - and understandably so, IMO.
Tennant Stuart
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.5e9b8c4bf9...@argonet.co.uk>...
>> Reports of various episodes being filmed at the studio. The most recent
>> example was the finale part 2, when Matthew Perry had a lot of trouble
>> with some of the lines, and seemed very frustrated with himself. He was
>> always apologising, and at one point he even walked off the set for a
>> little bit to recuperate. The fans felt sorry for him feeling that way.
> Well, sometimes it helps to know the context of a situation, and I
> can tell you that Matthew was also learning his lines for his guest
> appearance on The West Wing for the following day, and preparing to
> leave for London for his play like a couple of days later, while they
> were filming TO In Barbados.
Fair enough. (BTW, you can write that title as TOI Barbados.)
> The reports from this year's finale are the only ones I have ever heard
> where he is mentioned as having difficulty with his lines - and
> understandably so, IMO.
You haven't read many filming reports, then.
They have been a bit scarce for S9, but the previous occasion was the
filming of 917 "TOW the Memorial Service", wherein each time anybody
flubbed a line, Matthew Perry jumped in to point out that it was not
him who had gone wrong; until he did go wrong, and then he made a big
thing that it was his first flub that day. After that, if anyone made
a mistake, Matthew told the director they should just leave it in.
Would you like to hear about the one before that?
Emma Stoneman
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> writes
>In article <40d2144a.03052...@posting.google.com>,ddfan
>9...@hotmail.com (Jess) wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:<na.5e9b8c4bf9...@argonet.co.uk>...
>
>>> Reports of various episodes being filmed at the studio. The most recent
>>> example was the finale part 2, when Matthew Perry had a lot of trouble
>>> with some of the lines, and seemed very frustrated with himself. He was
>>> always apologising, and at one point he even walked off the set for a
>>> little bit to recuperate. The fans felt sorry for him feeling that way.
>
>> Well, sometimes it helps to know the context of a situation, and I
>> can tell you that Matthew was also learning his lines for his guest
>> appearance on The West Wing for the following day, and preparing to
>> leave for London for his play like a couple of days later, while they
>> were filming TO In Barbados.
>
>Fair enough. (BTW, you can write that title as TOI Barbados.)
How is *that* not a spoiler? :P And don't say you didn't say it was
about the finale, it was obvious from context!
--
* Emma Stoneman *
ejsto...@dsl.pipex.com
Tennant Stuart
Paul Hyett <pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In uk.media.tv.friends on Tue, 27 May 2003 at 17:37:47,
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>>> I don't see your usual post-C4-review, so I'll reply to this :
>> I don't see why not, the new version was up just after the episode
>> aired. But don't worry, I'll mark the bits you missed with a star.
> It eventually appeared, but not until after I replied to the original.
Couldn't you wait?
>>>> 921 "TOW the Fertility Test"
>>> Is Ross just better at covering his feelings?
>> From most of them yes, but Joey immediately sussed him out in Season 1.
> About what?
His secret feelings for Rachel.
>> Of course, they're both just on the rebound.
> Ross hasn't even been dating much recently, so who's he rebounding from?
Not Ross, Joey & Charlie.
>>> Heard of the expression 'idiot savant'?
>> Yes, and that doesn't apply to Joey, who is not autistic.
> I made no mention of autism.
I think you need to go watch the film "Rain Man".
>> It was *so* good to see her again, though I wish she'd take elocution
>> lessons. As you know, Maggie Wheeler has a lovely voice.
> Do I know that?
I thought you knew that, if not then I'm surprised.
Wasn't it you who sent me the mpa file of her voice in "Seinfeld"?
>>> I don't think they are 100% infertile though - clearly they've left
>>> the 'surprise natural conception' option open. Don't forget that Judy
>>> Geller was supposed to be barren.
>> Absolutely. They have to do this, in case CCA falls pregnant.
> I didn't think *getting* pregnant was the problem, but keeping it going?
Well yes, but let's not get too technical.
>> You snipped that section without reading it, so I've put it back in
>> with all the other stuff you missed. Janice told Chandler that he &
>> Monica will be just fine, since they were meant to have children.
> I thought it was Phoebe who was psychic? :)
So? I'm talking about Janice's good judgement here.
>> Well yes, which is why he reads more slowly. However, here we saw Ross
>> reading to him from cue cards, and Joey was picking the difficult stuff
>> up very quickly, which of course really impressed Ross.
> Shame he went the wrong way in the museum then...
Yep.
>>> See my 'idiot savant' comment.
>> Doesn't apply to Joey, he's not autistic.
> What does autism have to do with it?
I think you need to go watch the film "Rain Man".
>>> On the other hand, why does Rachel have to go back through the glass
>> doors, when that means going outside the reception area?
> Because her gift certificate was damaged?
Lol, I think not, but you never know.
>>> And now it's Rachel's turn to be dumbed down, not knowing the answers
>>> to the Swedish questions that she asks of Phoebe.
> How do we know she wasn't always bad at geography?
She easily won Chandler's 50 States contest, doing far better than Ross.
>>> Depends if Phoebe was told that's how she was recognised.
>> Oh! Good point! You're right, Rachel never told her (that we know of)
>> so Phoebe wouldn't know to leave the shoes in the closet. Thanks.
> I'd have thought it was her voice that gave her away, as Rachel was
> suspicious already.
Sure.
>>> What's happened to Emma, period?
>> Exciting developments are afoot.
>> I can't say more, but I think you'll be pleased...
> They use a real baby, rather than a robot? :)
Yep.
>>>> Wow, both Chandler & Monica turned out to be infertile. That was a
>>>> shock, wasn't it?
>>> And pretty stupid.
>> Why was it stupid?
> One perhaps, but not both.
That's not stupid, it's unlikely.
But unlikely things can happen.
>>> So what now, IVF? Even if Monica "has an inhospitable environment"
>> as it was so delicately put, that doesn't prevent an embryo or five
>> being implanted, does it? So what of Chandler's sperm having a low
>> motility? Does this rule out fertilisation in a petri dish? And if
>> that is so, whose sperm would be appropriate? How about Joey's?
> No!
Why not?
>>> An intriguing possibility arises if Monica is unable to donate an
>> egg, for a variety of medical reasons. In that case, the egg would
>> come from some other woman, and then there would be no reason why
>> the sperm shouldn't be from Ross, indeed he'd be the ideal choice.
> So Monica could do a 'Phoebe' and freak people out by saying 'My
> brother is the baby's father? :)
She could, but she won't, because (A) Monica is just not like that,
and (B) it's already been done on the show.
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.c794054bf8...@argonet.co.uk...
>> Joey is not a loser.
> I don't consider Ross a loser, and he certainly wasn't before the
> writers decided to destroy him.
Think about the very first sound that came out of his mouth.
>>> If they were to go with these parallels, it would only be fair
>>> that Joey should receive the same treatment Ross has:
>> I believe I see an agenda coming on... ;)
> Right back atcha with the "perfect Joey" agenda!
Marita & I don't claim that Joey is perfect, that's just something
which you are saying. What we were playing in our little game was
to speculate how differently Joey would act. You keep wanting the
story to go exactly in the same way as in the old days.
>>>> 1112 "TOW Rachel Quits", Rachel quits Ralph Lauren to be a housewife
>>> Rachel quits Ralph Lauren for an even better job at Isaac Mizrahi
>> What's that?
> He's a fashion designer.
Ah.
>>>> 1114 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross is jealous of Joey & Rachel
>>> Rachel is working very hard on a work project, with a very handsome
>>> colleague played by a special "heartthrob" guest star. She works
>>> overtime for two weeks straight, cancelling plans she has with Joey,
>>> who becomes jealous and passive aggressive.
>> You're just repeating the old episode, with Joey behaving like Ross would.
> Sure, that was the whole point of "deja vu" with Rachel bristling at the
> sight of Joey with Charlie, as she did with Julie and Ross.
Yeah, and the whole idea was that Joey would make the difference.
>>>> 1117 "TOW Joey and Rachel Take a Break", Joey & Rachel go to the Poconos
>>> They go on a "break," a la RnR, after having a fight about the coworker.
>> I don't think you've quite grasped the game here, sweetie.
> I think I have more than you realize.
Sigh.
>>> Despite Ross's urging Joey not to make the same stupid mistakes he
>>> did, Joey leaps to conclusions after the coworker answers Rachel's
>>> cell phone when she's in the bathroom.
>> No. Joey would talk to Rachel about it.
> Not if the writers decided to give him the "Ross" treatment, thereby
> redefining his personality.
And do you seriously think that will happen?
>> That's what Joey said he thought Ross had done in the same situation.
> But NuJoey would react badly.
You can invent new names but really you're just criticising Ross.
>>> He then sleeps with a pretty extra from _DoOL_.
>> That's something which Joey only did because Rachel rejected him.
> He'd be feeling rejected again. Especially after he consulted with
> Chandler, who was distracted that day and gave him some very bad
> off-the-cuff advice while attempting to get a stain out of the carpet
> before Monica got home.
Well, let's see how Joey reacts if Rachel should ever reveal her feelings
for him before we start judging how he will behave, (or in 4th wall terms,
let's see how the creators' writing shapes Joey's reactions & behaviour).
>>>> 1118 "TOT Morning After", Joey nurses Rachel's hangover
>>> Rachel decides to get back together, but changes her mind when Gunther
>>> (who used to work with the extra's roommate back when he was Bryce on
>>> _All My Children_) breaks the news.
>> Still rehashing Season 3. Joey is not Ross.
> OldRoss wasn't NuRoss, either.
It was Rachel that changed, not Ross. She stopped being "just a waitress"
as his Julie/Rachel list put it, and became a successful career woman, and
Ross just could not handle that. On the other hand, Joey was responsible
for telling Rachel that she needed The Fear, and he was very supportive.
>>>> 1119 "TO Without the Ski Trip", Rachel is too ill to go skiing
>>> A near carbon copy of the original episode (with Joey as the excluded
>>> party), but with Ross trying to smooth things over for everyone.
> You want WonderfulJoey; I get to write a WonderfulRoss.
Good.
Then write him with someone who supports him, not criticises him.
>> The idea, Belphoebe, is how *different* things would be with Joey.
> And my point is that the writers could just as easily make Joey the
> villain if they decided to break up J & R the way they had decided to
> break up R & R.
And as I've just said, let's see how the creators handle it, shall we?
>>>> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
>>> Rachel has a crush on Isaac Mizrahi's new assistant, Floyd.
>> Yawn.
> Hey, I restrained my yawns when being hit over the head by how "perfect"
> Joey would be! :P
You were 'allowed' to moan & bitch & complain, but not yawn; since at least
our Joey & Rachel story was refreshingly different, even if you dislike it.
>>>> 1308 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", Rachel buys her new wedding dress
>>> Rachel tries to entice Floyd with a skimpy dress she made herself,
>>> only to be embarrassed to discover Floyd has a husband.
>> Oh, now at least that sounds original.
>> Does Rachel sew?
> She decided to try. She hadn't tried to sew since home ec in the seventh
> grade, when she ended up making a blouse with two right sleeves, and
> ultimately paid Monica to do her project for her.
Ah.
> But this time, she folded a big piece of fabric in half, sewed the sides
> (so it resembled a big pillow case), then cut a big head hole at the top
> fold, and arm holes at the sides. Then she shredded up the bottom (to
> make jaggedy fringes), put it on, and belted it smartly at the waist.
> (This is how I made dresses for my Barbie dolls when I was a kid!)
Awww...
Then Joey sews a proper dress for her, but pretends it wasn't him. ;)
>>>> 1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
>>> Joey asks Monica to pick up his bride's dress because she has to go
>>> out of town for a while. . . . (see below)
>> That's what happened in Season 4.
>> And it would be one of his sisters, not Ross's sister.
> Unless the producers didn't feel like casting or rehiring a Tribbiani
> sister.
Fortunately, the most senior producers are also the creators.
>>>> 1313/4 "TOW Joey's Wedding", At last the happy day for Joey & Rachel
>>> Joey's getting married to Kate Miller, after she starts a job at DoOL
>>> and their passion is quickly reignited.
>> It's not impossible that Kate Miller might return, but if the plotting
>> has any continuity, Joey would react quite negatively to her.
> The writers decided they wanted to have Joey and Kate fall in love and
> plan to marry, so they said, "to heck with continuity!"
Well, we will just have to agree to wait & see on that one.
I'm not going to take the Kate Miller thing at all seriously until I
first hear her name being mentioned...
>>>> 1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
>>> Joey says "Rachel" when he's supposed to say "Kate." Ross mutters, "I
>>> *told* him to write it on his hand!"
>> But at least it would show that Joey was still in love with Rachel?
> As much as Ross's wedding showed *he* was still in love with Rachel. But
> of course, he'd have to decide he'd want to make of go of it with Kate,
> and Rach would decide Joey was too emotionally messed up for her to
> pursue him just then, and the JnR fans would go through the same torture
> the RnR fans did. :X
Well, don't let my own contrariness in any way make you think I'm being
smug about this, since I know only to well how the writers can jerk the
fans around. Priya says that she'll be content just to see a few episodes
of Joey & Rachel happily together, and I think that she has a very sensible
attitude. But for me, as ever, I shall just wait & see.
> But I'm not endorsing a rehash of past plots--I'm just being delightfully
> contrary. :P
Yes, dear. :)
Belphoebe
> In article <oF6Ba.6277$O44....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:na.c794054bf8...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> >> Joey is not a loser.
>
> > I don't consider Ross a loser, and he certainly wasn't before the
> > writers decided to destroy him.
>
> Think about the very first sound that came out of his mouth.
"Hi"?
> >>> If they were to go with these parallels, it would only be fair
> >>> that Joey should receive the same treatment Ross has:
>
> >> I believe I see an agenda coming on... ;)
>
> > Right back atcha with the "perfect Joey" agenda!
>
> Marita & I don't claim that Joey is perfect, that's just something
> which you are saying. What we were playing in our little game was
> to speculate how differently Joey would act. You keep wanting the
> story to go exactly in the same way as in the old days.
You misunderstand what I "want." I *don't* want this series of hypothetical
episode titles at all. But given that you were beginning with the parallels
between the Julie-Ross situation and the Charlie-Joey sitch, noting the
déjå-vu, and then using that as a premise for doing a series of "parallel"
episodes, I thought the parallelism ought to be fair.
And the "difference" with Joey seems to boil down to Ross is a big jerk, and
Joey is Prince Charming.
But Ross was Prince Charming before the writers decided to trash him. They
could easily decide to trash Joey. That's what I'm trying to get at.
> >>>> 1114 "TOW All the Jealousy", Ross is jealous of Joey & Rachel
>
> >>> Rachel is working very hard on a work project, with a very handsome
> >>> colleague played by a special "heartthrob" guest star. She works
> >>> overtime for two weeks straight, cancelling plans she has with Joey,
> >>> who becomes jealous and passive aggressive.
>
> >> You're just repeating the old episode, with Joey behaving like Ross
would.
>
> > Sure, that was the whole point of "deja vu" with Rachel bristling at the
> > sight of Joey with Charlie, as she did with Julie and Ross.
>
> Yeah, and the whole idea was that Joey would make the difference.
Unless the writers decided to give him the Ross treatment.
> >>>> 1117 "TOW Joey and Rachel Take a Break", Joey & Rachel go to the
Poconos
>
> >>> They go on a "break," a la RnR, after having a fight about the
coworker.
>
> >> I don't think you've quite grasped the game here, sweetie.
>
> > I think I have more than you realize.
>
> Sigh.
Bigger Sigh. Sigh that makes your sigh so ashamed itself it crawls off into
a hole and kills itself. :P
> >>> Despite Ross's urging Joey not to make the same stupid mistakes he
> >>> did, Joey leaps to conclusions after the coworker answers Rachel's
> >>> cell phone when she's in the bathroom.
>
> >> No. Joey would talk to Rachel about it.
>
> > Not if the writers decided to give him the "Ross" treatment, thereby
> > redefining his personality.
>
> And do you seriously think that will happen?
I never seriously thought they'd destroy Ross either, until they did.
> >> That's what Joey said he thought Ross had done in the same situation.
>
> > But NuJoey would react badly.
>
> You can invent new names but really you're just criticising Ross.
Not OriginalRoss.
> >>> He then sleeps with a pretty extra from _DoOL_.
>
> >> That's something which Joey only did because Rachel rejected him.
>
> > He'd be feeling rejected again. Especially after he consulted with
> > Chandler, who was distracted that day and gave him some very bad
> > off-the-cuff advice while attempting to get a stain out of the carpet
> > before Monica got home.
>
> Well, let's see how Joey reacts if Rachel should ever reveal her feelings
> for him before we start judging how he will behave, (or in 4th wall terms,
> let's see how the creators' writing shapes Joey's reactions & behaviour).
I'm not suggesting *any* of this will happen--if that's what you're
thinking, then you misunderstand as much as you think I did.
> >>>> 1118 "TOT Morning After", Joey nurses Rachel's hangover
>
> >>> Rachel decides to get back together, but changes her mind when Gunther
> >>> (who used to work with the extra's roommate back when he was Bryce on
> >>> _All My Children_) breaks the news.
>
> >> Still rehashing Season 3. Joey is not Ross.
>
> > OldRoss wasn't NuRoss, either.
>
> It was Rachel that changed, not Ross. She stopped being "just a waitress"
> as his Julie/Rachel list put it, and became a successful career woman, and
> Ross just could not handle that. On the other hand, Joey was responsible
> for telling Rachel that she needed The Fear, and he was very supportive.
Oh, right, because Joey is Mr. Wonderful, and Ross is
<sarcasm>evil.</sarcasm>
Besides, you said in another post that Ross is your favorite of the male
characters. It doesn't seem so in this thread.
And I contend that Ross *was* changed--and that's why he reacted as he did.
> >>>> 1119 "TO Without the Ski Trip", Rachel is too ill to go skiing
>
> >>> A near carbon copy of the original episode (with Joey as the excluded
> >>> party), but with Ross trying to smooth things over for everyone.
>
> > You want WonderfulJoey; I get to write a WonderfulRoss.
>
> Good.
>
> Then write him with someone who supports him, not criticises him.
You mean like Phoebe? ;)
> >> The idea, Belphoebe, is how *different* things would be with Joey.
>
> > And my point is that the writers could just as easily make Joey the
> > villain if they decided to break up J & R the way they had decided to
> > break up R & R.
>
> And as I've just said, let's see how the creators handle it, shall we?
I wasn't suggesting otherwise, believe it or not!
> >>>> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
>
> >>> Rachel has a crush on Isaac Mizrahi's new assistant, Floyd.
>
> >> Yawn.
>
> > Hey, I restrained my yawns when being hit over the head by how "perfect"
> > Joey would be! :P
>
> You were 'allowed' to moan & bitch & complain, but not yawn; since at
least
> our Joey & Rachel story was refreshingly different, even if you dislike
it.
I can yawn if I want to. . . . :P
Besides, I'm not referring to the story itself; just the speculation about
how Joey would handle everything perfectly.
BTW, how do you think he'd respond if Rachel's mean streak should surface?
What if she starts behaving the way she did on his boat when she was
"teaching" him (and realizing she's behaving like Dad no longer stops her),
or when she yelled at him in season four after the "Morning Guy" sang his
song?
> >>>> 1308 "TOW Rachel's New Dress", Rachel buys her new wedding dress
>
> >>> Rachel tries to entice Floyd with a skimpy dress she made herself,
> >>> only to be embarrassed to discover Floyd has a husband.
>
> >> Oh, now at least that sounds original.
>
> >> Does Rachel sew?
>
> > She decided to try. She hadn't tried to sew since home ec in the seventh
> > grade, when she ended up making a blouse with two right sleeves, and
> > ultimately paid Monica to do her project for her.
>
> Ah.
>
>
> > But this time, she folded a big piece of fabric in half, sewed the sides
> > (so it resembled a big pillow case), then cut a big head hole at the top
> > fold, and arm holes at the sides. Then she shredded up the bottom (to
> > make jaggedy fringes), put it on, and belted it smartly at the waist.
> > (This is how I made dresses for my Barbie dolls when I was a kid!)
>
> Awww...
>
> Then Joey sews a proper dress for her, but pretends it wasn't him. ;)
Nah, he just rips holes on the chest part to "fix" it for her.
> >>>> 1310 "TOW All the Wedding Dresses", Sandra brings two wedding dresses
>
> >>> Joey asks Monica to pick up his bride's dress because she has to go
> >>> out of town for a while. . . . (see below)
>
> >> That's what happened in Season 4.
>
> >> And it would be one of his sisters, not Ross's sister.
>
> > Unless the producers didn't feel like casting or rehiring a Tribbiani
> > sister.
>
> Fortunately, the most senior producers are also the creators.
True, but they still might not feel like doing it. . . .
> >>>> 1313/4 "TOW Joey's Wedding", At last the happy day for Joey & Rachel
>
> >>> Joey's getting married to Kate Miller, after she starts a job at DoOL
> >>> and their passion is quickly reignited.
>
> >> It's not impossible that Kate Miller might return, but if the plotting
> >> has any continuity, Joey would react quite negatively to her.
>
> > The writers decided they wanted to have Joey and Kate fall in love and
> > plan to marry, so they said, "to heck with continuity!"
>
> Well, we will just have to agree to wait & see on that one.
Really, I'm *not* suggesting that any of this will happen! I can almost
guarantee that it won't!
> I'm not going to take the Kate Miller thing at all seriously until I
> first hear her name being mentioned...
Me, neither!
> >>>> 1315 "TOA Joey Says 'Rachel'", Joey gets it right again
>
> >>> Joey says "Rachel" when he's supposed to say "Kate." Ross mutters, "I
> >>> *told* him to write it on his hand!"
>
> >> But at least it would show that Joey was still in love with Rachel?
>
> > As much as Ross's wedding showed *he* was still in love with Rachel. But
> > of course, he'd have to decide he'd want to make of go of it with Kate,
> > and Rach would decide Joey was too emotionally messed up for her to
> > pursue him just then, and the JnR fans would go through the same torture
> > the RnR fans did. :X
>
> Well, don't let my own contrariness in any way make you think I'm being
> smug about this, since I know only to well how the writers can jerk the
> fans around. Priya says that she'll be content just to see a few episodes
> of Joey & Rachel happily together, and I think that she has a very
sensible
> attitude. But for me, as ever, I shall just wait & see.
Sure, of course. I'm just playing, not predicting.
> > But I'm not endorsing a rehash of past plots--I'm just being
delightfully
> > contrary. :P
>
> Yes, dear. :)
Yazoo! (And just what is Alison Moyet doing these days, anyway!)
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
"cookie dude" <andre...@HarDcorE.de> wrote in message
> Belphoebe likes to play a special version of 'Hey Jude', with 25
> minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
>
> > He's hilarious. I found this site of his jokes:
> >
> > http://www.meer.net/~mtoy/steven_wright.html
>
> cool. thanks
You're welcome. :)
So, how was Paul McCartney? Did he do extra na-na-na-nananana's and extra
verses? ;)
Belphoebe
Tennant Stuart
<ejsto...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> How is *that* not a spoiler? :P And don't say you didn't say it was
> about the finale, it was obvious from context!
My apologies, that was a mistake. They do talk about it in an earlier
episode, but I mistakenly thought it was this one.
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Tennant Stuart" <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:na.321e854bfa...@argonet.co.uk...
>>>> Joey is not a loser.
>>> I don't consider Ross a loser, and he certainly wasn't before the
>>> writers decided to destroy him.
>> Think about the very first sound that came out of his mouth.
> "Hi"?
That's right.
And was that a happy Hi?
>>>>> If they were to go with these parallels, it would only be fair
>>>>> that Joey should receive the same treatment Ross has:
>>>> I believe I see an agenda coming on... ;)
>>> Right back atcha with the "perfect Joey" agenda!
>> Marita & I don't claim that Joey is perfect, that's just something
>> which you are saying. What we were playing in our little game was
>> to speculate how differently Joey would act. You keep wanting the
>> story to go exactly in the same way as in the old days.
> You misunderstand what I "want." I *don't* want this series of
> hypothetical episode titles at all. But given that you were beginning
> with the parallels between the Julie-Ross situation and the Charlie-Joey
> sitch, noting the déjå-vu, and then using that as a premise for doing a
> series of "parallel" episodes, I thought the parallelism ought to be fair.
Our little game was not about being fair, it was about being different.
And we are talking about fictional characters here.
> And the "difference" with Joey seems to boil down to Ross is a big jerk,
> and Joey is Prince Charming. But Ross was Prince Charming before the
> writers decided to trash him. They could easily decide to trash Joey.
> That's what I'm trying to get at.
We're aware of that, but it could be that Ross is the way he is now
because that's how David Schwimmer likes him to be.
>>>> I don't think you've quite grasped the game here, sweetie.
>>> I think I have more than you realize.
>> Sigh.
> Bigger Sigh. Sigh that makes your sigh so ashamed itself it crawls off
> into a hole and kills itself. :P
Lol
>>>> No. Joey would talk to Rachel about it.
>>> Not if the writers decided to give him the "Ross" treatment, thereby
>>> redefining his personality.
>> And do you seriously think that will happen?
> I never seriously thought they'd destroy Ross either, until they did.
You're supposed be rejoicing in the new HilariousRoss.
>>>> That's what Joey said he thought Ross had done in the same situation.
>>> But NuJoey would react badly.
>> You can invent new names but really you're just criticising Ross.
> Not OriginalRoss.
So in the old days OriginalRoss was good at telling Rachel how he feels?
>> Well, let's see how Joey reacts if Rachel should ever reveal her
>> feelings for him before we start judging how he will behave, (or in 4th
>> wall terms, let's see how the creators' writing shapes Joey's reactions
>> & behaviour).
> I'm not suggesting *any* of this will happen--if that's what you're
> thinking, then you misunderstand as much as you think I did.
Well, it's hard to perceive what you really mean when you argue your
hypothetical possibilities so forcefully.
>> It was Rachel that changed, not Ross. She stopped being "just a
>> waitress" as his Julie/Rachel list put it, and became a successful
>> career woman, and Ross just could not handle that. On the other hand,
>> Joey was responsible for telling Rachel that she needed The Fear, and
>> he was very supportive.
> Oh, right, because Joey is Mr. Wonderful, and Ross is
> <sarcasm>evil.</sarcasm>
That's how it happened.
> Besides, you said in another post that Ross is your favorite of the male
> characters. It doesn't seem so in this thread.
That's because I want more for Ross.
> And I contend that Ross *was* changed--and that's why he reacted as he did.
Ross was changed, but not during the series, which began with NuRoss,
wounded by what Carol had done to him, and tragically unable to trust.
>>> You want WonderfulJoey; I get to write a WonderfulRoss.
>> Good.
>> Then write him with someone who supports him, not criticises him.
> You mean like Phoebe? ;)
Yep.
>> And as I've just said, let's see how the creators handle it, shall we?
> I wasn't suggesting otherwise, believe it or not!
Good! :)
>>>>>> 1303 "TOW Rachel's Crush", The ice crusher goes wrong again
>>>>> Rachel has a crush on Isaac Mizrahi's new assistant, Floyd.
>>>> Yawn.
>>> Hey, I restrained my yawns when being hit over the head by how
>>> "perfect" Joey would be! :P
>> You were 'allowed' to moan & bitch & complain, but not yawn; since at
>> least our Joey & Rachel story was refreshingly different, even if you
>> dislike it.
> I can yawn if I want to. . . . :P
Of course, I yawned first. :)
> Besides, I'm not referring to the story itself; just the speculation about
> how Joey would handle everything perfectly.
That was the fun Marita & I were having, it doesn't express our expectations.
> BTW, how do you think he'd respond if Rachel's mean streak should surface?
This is where the Karen scenario comes into play.
> What if she starts behaving the way she did on his boat when she was
> "teaching" him (and realizing she's behaving like Dad no longer stops
> her), or when she yelled at him in season four after the "Morning Guy"
> sang his song?
Well, we already *have* seen what happens when she does that, and the
pair quickly ended up being perfectly amicable again. In the second case,
it was Chandler who became enraged, not easy-going Joey.
Joey & Rachel have been living together for three years, and they get on
very well indeed. She didn't last five minutes with Ross before she was
moaning & complaining; and before long she moved out, seeking refuge.
>>>> It would be one of his sisters, not Ross's sister.
>>> Unless the producers didn't feel like casting or rehiring a Tribbiani
>>> sister.
>> Fortunately, the most senior producers are also the creators.
> True, but they still might not feel like doing it. . . .
Always look to the story possibilities.
>>>>> Joey's getting married to Kate Miller, after she starts a job at
>>>>> DoOL and their passion is quickly reignited.
>>>> It's not impossible that Kate Miller might return, but if the
>>>> plotting has any continuity, Joey would react quite negatively to her.
>>> The writers decided they wanted to have Joey and Kate fall in love and
>>> plan to marry, so they said, "to heck with continuity!"
>> Well, we will just have to agree to wait & see on that one.
> Really, I'm *not* suggesting that any of this will happen! I can almost
> guarantee that it won't!
Okay. Good. That's alright then. :)
>> I'm not going to take the Kate Miller thing at all seriously until I
>> first hear her name being mentioned...
> Me, neither!
Right.
>> Don't let my own contrariness in any way make you think I'm being smug
>> about this, since I know only too well how the writers can jerk the
>> fans around. Priya says that she'll be content just to see a few
>> episodes of Joey & Rachel happily together, and I think that she has a
>> very sensible attitude. But for me, as ever, I shall just wait & see.
> Sure, of course. I'm just playing, not predicting.
Okay. Just remember that I can't always tell that you're playing.
>>> But I'm not endorsing a rehash of past plots--I'm just being
>>> delightfully contrary. :P
>> Yes, dear. :)
> Yazoo! (And just what is Alison Moyet doing these days, anyway!)
I dunno, but she turns 42 in a couple of weeks...
cookie dude
minutes of 'na nananana' and an extra verse that goes like this:
> So, how was Paul McCartney? Did he do extra na-na-na-nananana's and
> extra verses? ;)
Yes and now, Hey Jude must have gone on for 10 minutes easily, but the for
biggest part it must have been the audience, didn't stop even after the band
had stopped playing the song. It was borderline cheesy though, because he
introduced the song saying "there's a bit at the end of this song that I
think you'll really want to sing along to - feel free to join in". Other
than that it was an intrigueing experience for me, after all The Beatles
played here in Hamburg for ages before they made it big and I have a huge
thing for British music (big surprise there, huh?).
When they showed old footage of the Beatles on tour I didn't know whether to
look at what was happening onstage or the screens, watching the madness they
caused without all the PR hype and everything that surrounds bands these
days is surreal.
Other highlights of the night for me were "Let it be", "Back in the USSR"
and "We can work it out". Ticket was close to 100 Euro, but it was well
worth it, after all I don't think there are going to be many other
opportunities to see him live and it's the closest I'll ever get to being at
a Beatles concert.
André
Paul Hyett
<ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote :
>
>> It eventually appeared, but not until after I replied to the original.
>
>Couldn't you wait?
Sometimes posts never appear at all.
>
>>> Of course, they're both just on the rebound.
>
>> Ross hasn't even been dating much recently, so who's he rebounding from?
>
>Not Ross, Joey & Charlie.
Ah.
>
>>>> Heard of the expression 'idiot savant'?
>
>>> Yes, and that doesn't apply to Joey, who is not autistic.
>
>> I made no mention of autism.
>
>I think you need to go watch the film "Rain Man".
But the conditions are not invariably linked - that is my point.
>
>Wasn't it you who sent me the mpa file of her voice in "Seinfeld"?
Can't have been - I don't watch Seinfeld.
Might have been from Ellen though.
>
>>>> See my 'idiot savant' comment.
>
>>> Doesn't apply to Joey, he's not autistic.
>
>> What does autism have to do with it?
>
>I think you need to go watch the film "Rain Man".
Oddly enough, I don't watch movies that don't have the slightest appeal
to me... :)
>
>> How do we know she wasn't always bad at geography?
>
>She easily won Chandler's 50 States contest, doing far better than Ross.
But Joey got more than anybody... :)
>
>> They use a real baby, rather than a robot? :)
>
>Yep.
Or just a push-chair again, as per last night.
>
>That's not stupid, it's unlikely.
>
>But unlikely things can happen.
Where's that lottery ticket - if C&M are both infertile, then...
>
>> No!
>
>Why not?
>
It would be 'icky'.
>
>> So Monica could do a 'Phoebe' and freak people out by saying 'My
>> brother is the baby's father? :)
>
>She could, but she won't, because (A) Monica is just not like that,
>and (B) it's already been done on the show.
>
When has that ever stopped them?