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1014 "TOW Princess Consuela"
The Bings & Hanigans are enjoying a private dinner party when Ross
barges in, tells his host to shut up, helps himself to the food, and
announces he's up for tenure. He is followed by Rachel who is being
head-hunted by Gucci, making the invaded diners happy to see Joey.
Over coffee in Central Perk, Monica Geller lets slip that she never
officially changed her surname to Bing - Chandler starts to protest,
but then considering his awful childhood, he suggests that they call
their child Geller, and let the Bing name die with him.
But Phoebe likes being called Mrs.Hanigan, so she goes to register a
change of name, asking the clerk what the rule is for married women -
for example, how about Buffay-Hanigan or Hanigan-Buffay? The official
says that there is no rule, she can call herself anything she wants.
Returning to Central Perk, our heroine announces that her new name is
Princess Consuela Banana Hammock. Her friends are speechless at first,
then Monica objects to the silly name; so Princess kindly tells her
best friend that she can just call her 'Valerie' instead.
However, Princess's new husband is not best pleased, so he changes his
name to Crap Bag. This puts Princess off when Crap makes her introduce
him as such to a client; and she gives in completely once Crap informs
her that a 'Banana Hammock' is a speedo, a man's bathing costume.
---o0o---
Joey is the only one who hasn't seen the new house yet. Monica begs
him to come, but he only does so to criticise. Monica isn't fazed in
the slightest, so Joey sulks upstairs, where he meets 8yo Mackenzie,
a wise-beyond-her-years-but-she-denies-it daughter of the vendors.
Mackenzie tells Joey that whiners are wieners, convincing him that
if he wants his friends to be happy, he should let them go. However,
Monica & Chandler do not want Joey to let them go, since one of the
bedrooms is meant for him - though he can't have a sex swing in it!
---o0o---
When Rachel is interviewed by head-hunter James Campbell, her boss
Mr.Zelner is at the next restaurant table - so she pretends that she
& James are on a blind date, proceeds to act like a complete idiot,
and has not the wit to turn the situation to her advantage.
Accordingly, not only does Rachel lose the Gucci job, she is fired
from Ralph Lauren as well - for not being a team player - but on the
bright side, Ross succeeds in getting tenure, and wants to celebrate.
Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a loon,
boasting that he can never be fired; which makes Rachel break down in
tears. She expects him to comfort her, but while wrapping her in his
arms, he breaks off to whinge at Phoebe for not warning him.
More weirdly, Ross helps Rachel clear her desk by stealing her office
chair, even cunningly sneaking it out of the Ralph Lauren building by
loudly forcing the damn thing the wrong way through a revolving door!
However, a handsome male friend of Rachel's offers her a job, so they
agree to have dinner together. Ross is quite happy about this, until
she tells him that the man is Mark Robinson, who found her the job at
Bloomingdale's. Instantly, Ross is insanely jealous, as he regresses
seven years to the behaviour that cost him Rachel in the first place.
Chandler can't believe how stupid Ross is being, except that Rachel
then reveals that Mark is happily married with twin children - and
also he has offered her this amazing highly-paid job, in Paris...
---o0o---
This was a silly episode, packed with lots of weird things seemingly
designed to make us all laugh - such as the daft names & Ross's manic
behaviour - unfortunately I never managed more than a smile. In story
terms, the three strands were quite interesting, perhaps even rising
above filler; but I'm afraid that what was presumably meant to be the
main driving point of the show, dissolved into mere cliché.
Meanwhile, the glorious insanity of Princess's story was let down by
the inevitable boredom of Crap's reaction; while Rachel & Ross became
mired in a fan-fiction reworking of 311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember
Which Sister", but without the vodka Jello shots & Joey's beautiful
sisters. Star Trek star Brent Spiner was totally wasted as James.
Although the house-moving story wasn't funny either, at least Monica
was solid, Chandler enjoyed a good moment, and Joey had a couple of
cute scenes with little Mackenzie, ably played by Dakota Fanning.
---o0o---
After Ross goes the wrong way through the revolving door, keep your
eye on the extras to the right, beginning with a woman dressed in a
cream-coloured coat. She starts to go through the door the right way,
then there's a cut, and she's going through the door the wrong way.
She is then followed by a woman wearing a brown coat, who stops the
door revolving, and then pushes through it in the right direction.
When the camera pulls back to reveal that Mark has emerged from the
revolving door, presumably in the right direction, the two women are
suddenly back outside, so they go through the revolving door again!
And why does each panel of the door have a KQ (or QK) TOWERS logo?
---o0o---
Zippity doo-dah, an episode that does not begin in Central Perk!!!
They have been stuck in this particular rut ever since 1004 "TOW the
Cake", perpetually opening with most of the gang at the coffee house,
and then another friend arrives, when they all greet each other.
Monica claims that Chandler scares other couples away with jokes about
swinging, thus he retorts that she'd wanted to swing with a Portuguese
couple. Well, shouldn't Phoebe have been interested in that remark? In
714 "TOW They All Turn Thirty", she lamented that she'd never met any
Portuguese people, so Joey claimed he was a sixteenth Portuguese.
How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
especially since his sister had just warned him off? Rachel & Joey
can't be blamed since Ross was there - but of course, if they *had*
been invited to dinner, they would have turned up an hour late...
I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in order
to get laid? And just how exactly would that work, then?
The friends topping each other with their news has been done better
before, most notably in 409 "TOW They're Going to Party!" - Rachel was
on a promise to become an assistant buyer at Bloomingdale's, where she
would have an office with walls & everything; except Phoebe stole her
thunder by announcing a wedding reception contract, only to learn that
Monica had been offered the job of head chef at Allesandro's. Then the
others sloped off, leaving poor Rachel to celebrate on her lonesome.
However, others will prefer 118 "TOW All the Poker", where Rachel did
well at an interview for Sak's on Fifth Avenue, but Chandler sliced in
that the fifth dentist caved and now they're all recommending Trident.
Anyway, I agree with Monica & Phoebe, have you ever tried to get rid
of a pesky seed that was caught in your teeth? Oooh, what a relief!
Look, it's the long version of the title sequence - but apart from the
new group hug, it has not been updated, now well through the season.
Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
What is the government bureau that Phoebe went to, for registering a
change of name? Would that be a state office or a federal office?
And is the man working there known as a clerk, an official, or what?
Is not telling a government official that you're on the run from the
law almost as stupid as telling airport security you have a bomb?
Assuming that American law is similar to British law here, you can
call yourself anything you want, but you cannot bestow yourself with
an undeserved title - thus a name that otherwise would be a title is
still just a name. This means that Valerie's first name is Princess,
not Consuela, and her title is Mistress (now pronounced Misses).
As for Valerie, that's a bit reminiscent of pedigree dogs, which have
such long pedigree names, they're given a shorter name to answer to.
Valerie's initials were PCBH - isn't that a dangerous chemical?
Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
Banana Hammock is also a fan listing for Zach Braff, who plays John
'J.D.' Dorian in "Scrubs"; an inn in New Orleans; a travel company in
Costa Rica; an online community for the Gothic/Punk/Rivethead/Raver
subcultures; a hammock woven from the fibres of banana plants, which
is very comfortable since it hangs upwards, instead of down; and most
of all it's Number Ten on the list of One Hundred Reasons Why Captain
Kirk is Better than Captain Picard - which he isn't, so there.
I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
Chandler could think of it. And when did Ross see the new house?
Joey's humming abilities were better shown in 415 "TOW All the Rugby",
when Monica had been driven crazy by a seemingly useless switch in her
new apartment - so Phoebe helped her plug electrical gadgets that make
a noise into all four outlets. Once the mysterious switch was flipped,
the humming started, and so the girls all started looking for it until
Rachel located the source. When she yelled that the noise was coming
from Joey, Phoebe freaked out, ordering her to turn him off!
When Chandler tricked Joey by asserting that the little girl had died
about thirty years before, did he fool you too? In my defence, I was
already suspecting that Mackenzie could be a ghost, since her bedroom
was curiously old-fashioned, and most 8yo girls don't walk around with
a teddy these days. In any case, the clincher was that in 1010 "TOW
Chandler Gets Caught", the realtor said that the house was being sold
by a man who had lost his job, so he was moving in with his parents.
Joey living with the Bings was good continuity after 702 "TOW Rachel's
Book", where Chandler told Monica they'd live in a small place outside
the city, where their kids could learn to ride their bikes, their cat
would run in through a little kitty door - and of course, they would
have an apartment over the garage, where Joey could grow old.
How times have changed, for in 203 "TOW Heckles Dies", Chandler was
sure that his five friends would all go go off and get married, and
he would end up alone. He asked Joey to promise him that when he was
married, he'd invite Chandler over for holidays; but Joey was unsure
about this - since for all he knew, they'd be at her folks' place.
Since Rachel is being head-hunted, she had a perfect response to being
asked why she'd said she didn't want to leave Ralph Lauren - just say
that's true, she's very happy there, it was Mr.Campbell who approached
her. Then she sweetly introduces him to her wonderful boss Mr.Zelner,
and lets the two males fight it out for Rachel's hand in employment.
Her pathetic failure here was yet more dumbing down for Rachel.
And who is Hugo Boss?
Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
For the second time this episode, Ross was insensitive when he fails
to notice that Rachel is upset, despite Phoebe's gentle warnings.
Cannot tenure be transferred, if both academic institutions agree?
And would 'not being a team player' be sufficient grounds for the
dismissal of senior managerial personnel in the United States?
Doesn't Terry take a dim view of customers consuming their own
alcoholic liquor on the premises of his coffee house?
Is Chandler joking about vanilla-flavoured Israeli champagne?
Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
he did not work with Mark every day. Of course, some fans will scoff
at this, but they should bear in mind they have been watching old
episodes in syndication or on DVD, so it's not the same for them.
Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be happy?
---o0o---
Gosh, what an original ending! Will Rachel flit off to Paris, leaving
her friends behind; and if so, what about Ross losing his daughter?
I can forgive the show for the resemblance to the ending of "Sex and
the City", since the writers would not know about that. But I cannot
forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5, over possibly
abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily in London.
Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
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Further proof he's turning into Joey
> When Rachel is interviewed by head-hunter James Campbell, her boss
> Mr.Zelner is at the next restaurant table
Is it just me or were those tables awfully close? Kind of like
McDonalds, I wouldn't feel comfortable
> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a loon,
> boasting that he can never be fired;
How would he know? Given how much he's into his job he was very excited
about getting tenure. I'd argue everybody is less likely to pick up on
the others subtle hints
> However, a handsome male friend of Rachel's offers her a job, so they
> agree to have dinner together. Ross is quite happy about this, until
> she tells him that the man is Mark Robinson, who found her the job at
> Bloomingdale's. Instantly, Ross is insanely jealous, as he regresses
> seven years to the behaviour that cost him Rachel in the first place.
I can't be bothered looking it up, but remember the list of people where
we agreed he wasn't coming back? So much for that...
> Meanwhile, the glorious insanity of Princess's story was let down by
> the inevitable boredom of Crap's reaction;
Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch about
the people I don't like.
> while Rachel & Ross became
> mired in a fan-fiction reworking of 311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember
> Which Sister", but without the vodka Jello shots & Joey's beautiful
> sisters.
*beautfiul* sisters? And how was this a rework of 311?
> Star Trek star Brent Spiner was totally wasted as James.
Anyone else think Star Trek star sounds funny? As though you were
talking about a planet
> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
> especially since his sister had just warned him off?
Joey goes there all the time, no matter what the Bings are up to
> I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in order
> to get laid?
Apparently it's the palaeontology equivalent of a Porsche/Ferrari. Don't
you have any imagination at all? (nearly wrote 'fantasy' there, good
thing I recently read a little of _Dear Doosie_ again.
> And just how exactly would that work, then?
Ask you parents
> However, others will prefer 118 "TOW All the Poker", where Rachel did
> well at an interview for Sak's on Fifth Avenue, but Chandler sliced in
> that the fifth dentist caved and now they're all recommending Trident.
How the hell did 118 not get into the Top 6??? I demand a recount!
> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch about
the people I don't like.
> And is the man working there known as a clerk, an official, or what?
>
> Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
> Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
Who cares? If the answer is you, then www.askjeeves.com
> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
> here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch about
the people I don't like.
> Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
> not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
> Chandler could think of it. And when did Ross see the new house?
When he had Ben over the weekend
> And who is Hugo Boss?
Not even you can honestly be that ignorant?
> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
Use your ears you *beep*:
Ross: "Oh, I thought Joey was here too"
Name one *good* reason why Ross should lie
> Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
> writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
> he did not work with Mark every day.
No it wasn't. If he hadn't freaked out the way he did afterwards, I
would have agreed with you, but given that he obviously remembered
everything that happened back then and has always felt strongly about
him, it wasn't at all believable. At first I thought he was pretending
to not recognize him.
> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
No sensible human being cares
> Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
> to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is make
unnecessary and biased comments.
> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be happy?
Would going to Paris make her happy? Is she even going to go? This is a
cliffhanger and those are notorious making it seem as though something
big is about to happen. And more often than not, nothing at all happens
> But I cannot
> forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5, over possibly
> abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily in London.
>
> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
Dunno about forgiving, but if he goes with Rachel (to Paris), I'll be
very upset indeed.
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Belphoebe
> I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in order
> to get laid? And just how exactly would that work, then?
He doesn't--that's just dumb.
> However, others will prefer 118 "TOW All the Poker", where Rachel did
> well at an interview for Sak's on Fifth Avenue, but Chandler sliced in
> that the fifth dentist caved and now they're all recommending Trident.
<Nostalgia>Yup.</Nostalgia>
> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
But Joey agreed with him, and we know Joey's not a prude.
> What is the government bureau that Phoebe went to, for registering a
> change of name? Would that be a state office or a federal office?
<You don't listen to me>Social Security Administration.</YDLTM>
Federal.
> And is the man working there known as a clerk, an official, or what?
I think he'd be a clerk.
> Is not telling a government official that you're on the run from the
> law almost as stupid as telling airport security you have a bomb?
Is the "not" above inadvertent?
> Assuming that American law is similar to British law here, you can
> call yourself anything you want, but you cannot bestow yourself with
> an undeserved title - thus a name that otherwise would be a title is
> still just a name. This means that Valerie's first name is Princess,
> not Consuela, and her title is Mistress (now pronounced Misses).
Since we don't have royalty here, "Princess" could only be a first name.
Like the actress Countess Vaughan who's in the terrible sitcom _The
Parkers_.
Now, when a woman gets married, all she needs to change her name is her
birth certificate, her marriage certificate, and the name-change form from
SSA. (Pheebs would have had to order a new copy of her birth certificate,
unless there's an alternate ID that would have been accepted, which is
possible.) However, if someone just feels like changing names (e.g. Mike
becoming "Crap Bag"), it's more complicated. He'd have to prove he weren't
doing it to evade the law (e.g. Phoebe's ill-considered remark), and he'd
have to have a legal hearing which he advertised in the paper, so anyone who
might object could attend. (A friend of mine once joked he'd considered
going to these and saying, "No, don't do it!")
> Valerie's initials were PCBH - isn't that a dangerous chemical?
I'd assumed she'd write Bananahammock as one word, thus PCB, which is a
carcinogen.
> Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
> Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
I didn't know about the expression until I saw the episode.
> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
> here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
Did you mean Marita? And, no, I don't think so (but it served Phoebe
right).
> Since Rachel is being head-hunted, she had a perfect response to being
> asked why she'd said she didn't want to leave Ralph Lauren - just say
> that's true, she's very happy there, it was Mr.Campbell who approached
> her. Then she sweetly introduces him to her wonderful boss Mr.Zelner,
> and lets the two males fight it out for Rachel's hand in employment.
This would be better than what she did, though I suppose Mr. Z. might have
objected to her even meeting with the HH.
> Her pathetic failure here was yet more dumbing down for Rachel.
Yup.
> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
Stop it, please.
Does this episode prove that actors don't know what "escrow" means?
> Cannot tenure be transferred, if both academic institutions agree?
No, he'd most likely start all over again if he went to another institution.
There's no "agreeing" between institutions. Probably the best he *might be*
able to do is be able to get to tenure review faster--i.e. in three years
rather than five-six.
> Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
> writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
> he did not work with Mark every day. Of course, some fans will scoff
> at this, but they should bear in mind they have been watching old
> episodes in syndication or on DVD, so it's not the same for them.
Chandler's been watching it too. (Kidding! I kid! But I noted in another
thread re. this episode that I half expected either Monica or Chandler to
say, "Oh my God--we're in a rerun!")
> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
Romanzoid Appalachia-Monkeybutt Zelner. Oh, wait, that would have been his
name if *Phoebe* had named him. :-p
> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
Why shouldn't Rachel be the one to give up a much-desired career
opportunity?
> I can forgive the show for the resemblance to the ending of "Sex and
> the City", since the writers would not know about that. But I cannot
> forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5, over possibly
> abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily in London.
I know. Ick.
> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
Too true.
> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.
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"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>> 1014 "TOW Princess Consuela"
Dumb writing? Or writing Ross as dumb?
>> However, others will prefer 118 "TOW All the Poker", where Rachel did
>> well at an interview for Sak's on Fifth Avenue, but Chandler sliced in
>> that the fifth dentist caved and now they're all recommending Trident.
> <Nostalgia>Yup.</Nostalgia>
YW
>> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
>> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
>> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
> But Joey agreed with him, and we know Joey's not a prude.
No no, look at the transcript...
PHOEBE: Joey, you can't make someone do something they don't want to
do. Believe me, there's something I've been trying to get Mike
to do in bed, and there's-
MIKE: Whoa whoa whoa, hey hey, can we not talk about that now?
PHOEBE: Oh alright... prude! (She rolls her eyes, then to Joey) look,
Monica & Chandler really love this house, you are not going
to talk them into staying here.
JOEY: Hey hey, I can convince people to do anything. You know, I bet
I can even get Mike to do that thing. What is it?
(Phoebe whispers into Joey's ear, he's puzzled then shocked.)
JOEY: (Jumping up) I am not going to help you do that! (He runs off.)
Joey was not going to help a man do the sexual act, but that doesn't
mean that he was against doing it himself with a woman.
>> What is the government bureau that Phoebe went to, for registering a
>> change of name? Would that be a state office or a federal office?
> You don't listen to me
Why?
> Social Security Administration. Federal.
Thanks.
>> And is the man working there known as a clerk, an official, or what?
> I think he'd be a clerk.
Thanks again. He was credited as that, but it didn't seem right.
>> Is not telling a government official that you're on the run from the
>> law almost as stupid as telling airport security you have a bomb?
> Is the "not" above inadvertent?
No, it's an offer to gainsay me, as in...
"Is not tenure the best thing that could happen to a professor?"
..but I concede that my construction was ambiguous.
>> Assuming that American law is similar to British law here, you can
>> call yourself anything you want, but you cannot bestow yourself with
>> an undeserved title - thus a name that otherwise would be a title is
>> still just a name. This means that Valerie's first name is Princess,
>> not Consuela, and her title is Mistress (now pronounced Misses).
> Since we don't have royalty here, "Princess" could only be a first name.
> Like the actress Countess Vaughan who's in the terrible sitcom _The
> Parkers_.
Yep - although Billy Connolly says that Bonnie Prince Charlie was the
only member of royalty to be named after three sheepdogs.
> Now, when a woman gets married, all she needs to change her name is her
> birth certificate, her marriage certificate, and the name-change form
> from SSA. (Pheebs would have had to order a new copy of her birth
> certificate, unless there's an alternate ID that would have been
> accepted, which is possible.)
Such as? On ATF we once debated if she ever had a driving licence, since
she wouldn't have got one without her birth certificate.
> However, if someone just feels like changing names (e.g. Mike becoming
> "Crap Bag"), it's more complicated. He'd have to prove he weren't doing
> it to evade the law (e.g. Phoebe's ill-considered remark), and he'd have
> to have a legal hearing which he advertised in the paper, so anyone who
> might object could attend. (A friend of mine once joked he'd considered
> going to these and saying, "No, don't do it!")
That sounds like more trouble than going to the SSA.
>> Valerie's initials were PCBH - isn't that a dangerous chemical?
> I'd assumed she'd write Bananahammock as one word, thus PCB, which is a
> carcinogen.
Okay, right, thanks, I'll take that on board. :)
>> Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
>> Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
> I didn't know about the expression until I saw the episode.
Okay. How about the plural of "speedo"?
>> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
>> here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
> Did you mean Marita?
Well, she also, but I was thinking of you. :)
> And, no, I don't think so (but it served Phoebe right).
Exactly.
>> Since Rachel is being head-hunted, she had a perfect response to being
>> asked why she'd said she didn't want to leave Ralph Lauren - just say
>> that's true, she's very happy there, it was Mr.Campbell who approached
>> her. Then she sweetly introduces him to her wonderful boss Mr.Zelner,
>> and lets the two males fight it out for Rachel's hand in employment.
> This would be better than what she did, though I suppose Mr. Z. might have
> objected to her even meeting with the HH.
This is where she pretends that she brought Campbell to see Zelner.
>> Her pathetic failure here was yet more dumbing down for Rachel.
> Yup.
Sigh.
>> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
>> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
> Stop it, please.
Hey, this was *your* joke!
> Does this episode prove that actors don't know what "escrow" means?
They probably think it's a Spanish crow.
>> Cannot tenure be transferred, if both academic institutions agree?
> No, he'd most likely start all over again if he went to another
> institution. There's no "agreeing" between institutions.
Oh dear.
> Probably the best he *might be* able to do is be able to get to tenure
> review faster--i.e. in three years rather than five-six.
Perhaps they ought to be more co-operative.
>> Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
>> writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
>> he did not work with Mark every day. Of course, some fans will scoff
>> at this, but they should bear in mind they have been watching old
>> episodes in syndication or on DVD, so it's not the same for them.
> Chandler's been watching it too. (Kidding! I kid! But I noted in another
> thread re. this episode that I half expected either Monica or Chandler
> to say, "Oh my God--we're in a rerun!")
Lol, that's what they say in the spoof "Friends" over here.
>> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
>> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
> Romanzoid Appalachia-Monkeybutt Zelner. Oh, wait, that would have been
> his name if *Phoebe* had named him. :-p
LOL
>> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
>> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
> Why shouldn't Rachel be the one to give up a much-desired career
> opportunity?
Because she isn't the one with the problem - Emma goes where she goes.
>> I can forgive the show for the resemblance to the ending of "Sex and
>> the City", since the writers would not know about that. But I cannot
>> forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5, over possibly
>> abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily in London.
> I know. Ick.
Right.
>> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
> Too true.
Sometimes this season feels like we're watching a spin-off.
>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
cookie dude <cooki...@arcor.de> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>> 1014 "TOW Princess Consuela"
Yes, you're right André.
>> When Rachel is interviewed by head-hunter James Campbell, her boss
>> Mr.Zelner is at the next restaurant table
> Is it just me or were those tables awfully close? Kind of like
> McDonalds, I wouldn't feel comfortable
No, it's not just you, although I didn't think of it before now.
The whole restaurant set was probably one tiny corner of the studio.
>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a loon,
>> boasting that he can never be fired;
> How would he know?
Er, because that's what tenure means, you're unsackable.
> Given how much he's into his job he was very excited about getting tenure.
That's right.
> I'd argue everybody is less likely to pick up on the others subtle hints
Yes, people are.
>> However, a handsome male friend of Rachel's offers her a job, so they
>> agree to have dinner together. Ross is quite happy about this, until
>> she tells him that the man is Mark Robinson, who found her the job at
>> Bloomingdale's. Instantly, Ross is insanely jealous, as he regresses
>> seven years to the behaviour that cost him Rachel in the first place.
> I can't be bothered looking it up, but remember the list of people where
> we agreed he wasn't coming back?
Hang on, <searches for ookie/Mark/Chloe> that was last February, in the
article <40253702$0$17028$9b4e...@newsread2.arcor-online.net> ...
Ben, Carol & Susan
Janice
David
Richard
Mark
Chloe
any parent other than Jack & Judy, esp. Phoebe's
Emily
any of Joey's sisters
Estelle (has she already been in S10?)
Phoebe's gay ice dancer husband
Barry
Janine (Elle Macpherson character)
> So much for that...
My verdict on Mark coming back was "definitely not".
>> Meanwhile, the glorious insanity of Princess's story was let down by
>> the inevitable boredom of Crap's reaction;
> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch about
> the people I don't like.
That's not so, I said nice things too.
>> while Rachel & Ross became mired in a fan-fiction reworking of 311 "TOW
>> Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister", but without the vodka Jello
>> shots & Joey's beautiful sisters.
> *beautfiul* sisters?
Yes.
> And how was this a rework of 311?
When Rachel wanted to quit her job at Fortunata Fashions, handsome
Mark Robinson offered to prep her for an interview at Bloomingdale's,
making Ross insanely jealous since Mark's motive must be sex, even
though Monica had told him to grow up, and put his trust in Rachel.
>> Star Trek star Brent Spiner was totally wasted as James.
> Anyone else think Star Trek star sounds funny?
That's why I wrote it that way, to amuse you (honest).
> As though you were talking about a planet
lol
>> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
>> especially since his sister had just warned him off?
> Joey goes there all the time, no matter what the Bings are up to
Which is why we expect better of Ross.
>> I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in order
>> to get laid?
> Apparently it's the palaeontology equivalent of a Porsche/Ferrari. Don't
> you have any imagination at all?
I wanted to hear what you'd say.
> (nearly wrote 'fantasy' there, good thing I recently read a little of
> _Dear Doosie_ again.
Wossat?
>> And just how exactly would that work, then?
> Ask you parents
They didn't get tenure.
>> However, others will prefer 118 "TOW All the Poker", where Rachel did
>> well at an interview for Sak's on Fifth Avenue, but Chandler sliced in
>> that the fifth dentist caved and now they're all recommending Trident.
> How the hell did 118 not get into the Top 6??? I demand a recount!
Okay, here's my Top 20...
114 "TOW the Candy Hearts"
117 "TOW Two Parts (part 2)"
118 "TOW All the Poker"
207 "TOW Ross Finds Out"
213 "TOA the Superbowl (part 2)"
214 "TOW the Prom Video"
222 "TOW the Two Parties"
302 "TOW No-one's Ready"
306 "TOW the Flashback"
309 "TOW the Football"
310 "TOW Rachel Quits"
412 "TOW the Embryos"
508 "TOW the Thanksgiving Flashbacks"
514 "TOW Everyone Finds Out"
624 "TOW the Proposal (part 1)"
706 "TOW the Nap Partners"
715 "TOW Joey's New Brain"
716 "TOW the Truth About London"
809 "TOW the Rumor"
913 "TOW Monica Sings"
>> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
>> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
>> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch about
> the people I don't like.
That's not so, I said nice things too.
>> Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
>> Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
> Who cares? If the answer is you, then www.askjeeves.com
I did check with the net; but as I said, it's a bit mixed.
>> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
>> here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch about
> the people I don't like.
That's not so, I said nice things too.
>> Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
>> not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
>> Chandler could think of it. And when did Ross see the new house?
> When he had Ben over the weekend
Ah.
>> And who is Hugo Boss?
> Not even you can honestly be that ignorant?
I don't know who Hugo Boss is, what's wrong with that?
By context, I guess he's a fashion designer, but I want details.
>> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
>> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
> Use your ears you *beep*:
> Ross: "Oh, I thought Joey was here too"
> Name one *good* reason why Ross should lie
Duh, it's a *joke*!
>> Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
>> writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
>> he did not work with Mark every day.
> No it wasn't. If he hadn't freaked out the way he did afterwards, I
> would have agreed with you, but given that he obviously remembered
> everything that happened back then and has always felt strongly about
> him, it wasn't at all believable. At first I thought he was pretending
> to not recognize him.
He freaked out after Rachel told him who the helpful man was.
>> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
>> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
> No sensible human being cares
:P
>> Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
>> to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is make
> unnecessary and biased comments.
That's not so, some of my biased comments were quite necessary.
>> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be happy?
> Would going to Paris make her happy?
Maybe.
> Is she even going to go?
In a way, she already has. There are probably at least half-a-dozen
possible endings in the can, and they haven't chosen which one yet.
Having said that, no spoilers *please* about future episodes!!!
> This is a cliffhanger and those are notorious making it seem as though
> something big is about to happen. And more often than not, nothing at
> all happens
Of course.
>> But I cannot forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5,
>> over possibly abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily
>> in London.
>> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
> Dunno about forgiving, but if he goes with Rachel (to Paris), I'll be
> very upset indeed.
Right. To repeat, no spoilers *please* about future episodes!!!
Tennant
Belphoebe
>>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a
>>> loon, boasting that he can never be fired;
>
>> How would he know?
>
> Er, because that's what tenure means, you're unsackable.
I think what André meant was how would Ross know that Rachel's just been
fired, and that his telling them about being immune from firing would make
her feel worse.
--
Belphoebe
Belphoebe
Neither, really--I just took it as a silly throw-away line.
>> But Joey agreed with him, and we know Joey's not a prude.
>
> No no, look at the transcript...
[ . . . ]
> JOEY: (Jumping up) I am not going to help you do that! (He runs
> off.)
>
> Joey was not going to help a man do the sexual act, but that doesn't
> mean that he was against doing it himself with a woman.
That's not how I saw it--it seemed to me Phoebe had come up with something
that was too much for Joey.
But you know how it goes. We all see things in our own way. You see them
your way. I see them the right way. . . . :-p
>>> What is the government bureau that Phoebe went to, for registering a
>>> change of name? Would that be a state office or a federal office?
>
>> You don't listen to me
>
> Why?
I covered this in the 10-09 thread:
>>> Is not telling a government official that you're on the run from the
>>> law almost as stupid as telling airport security you have a bomb?
>
>> Is the "not" above inadvertent?
>
> No, it's an offer to gainsay me, as in...
>
> "Is not tenure the best thing that could happen to a professor?"
>
> ..but I concede that my construction was ambiguous.
Oh, okay. Yup, it was--an instance where a contraction (isn't) would have
come in handy.
>> Since we don't have royalty here, "Princess" could only be a first
>> name. Like the actress Countess Vaughan who's in the terrible sitcom
>> _The Parkers_.
>
> Yep - although Billy Connolly says that Bonnie Prince Charlie was the
> only member of royalty to be named after three sheepdogs.
Hee. Yup.
>> Now, when a woman gets married, all she needs to change her name is
>> her birth certificate, her marriage certificate, and the name-change
>> form from SSA. (Pheebs would have had to order a new copy of her
>> birth certificate, unless there's an alternate ID that would have
>> been accepted, which is possible.)
>
> Such as? On ATF we once debated if she ever had a driving licence,
> since she wouldn't have got one without her birth certificate.
Maybe you could find out from <www.ssa.gov>.
>> However, if someone just feels like changing names (e.g. Mike
>> becoming "Crap Bag"), it's more complicated. He'd have to prove he
>> weren't doing it to evade the law (e.g. Phoebe's ill-considered
>> remark), and he'd have to have a legal hearing which he advertised
>> in the paper, so anyone who might object could attend. (A friend of
>> mine once joked he'd considered going to these and saying, "No,
>> don't do it!")
>
> That sounds like more trouble than going to the SSA.
You see my point, then.
>>> Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
>>> Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
>
>> I didn't know about the expression until I saw the episode.
>
> Okay. How about the plural of "speedo"?
I want to say "speedos," but I'm not sure. (And please leave my punctuation
alone.)
>>> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
>>> here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
>
>> Did you mean Marita?
>
> Well, she also, but I was thinking of you. :)
I didn't realize I wasn't here. . . .
>> This would be better than what she did, though I suppose Mr. Z.
>> might have objected to her even meeting with the HH.
>
> This is where she pretends that she brought Campbell to see Zelner.
Maybe.
>>> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
>>> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
>
>> Stop it, please.
>
> Hey, this was *your* joke!
Do you mean you put it in for my benefit, or that I somehow created the
so-called joke?
>> Does this episode prove that actors don't know what "escrow" means?
>
> They probably think it's a Spanish crow.
All of them think so?
>> Probably the best he *might be* able to do is be able to get to
>> tenure review faster--i.e. in three years rather than five-six.
>
> Perhaps they ought to be more co-operative.
Should they? Ought they? :-p
(Maybe so, but they're pretty heartless.)
>> Chandler's been watching it too. (Kidding! I kid! But I noted in
>> another thread re. this episode that I half expected either Monica
>> or Chandler
>> to say, "Oh my God--we're in a rerun!")
>
> Lol, that's what they say in the spoof "Friends" over here.
What spoof?
>>> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
>>> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
>
>> Romanzoid Appalachia-Monkeybutt Zelner. Oh, wait, that would have
>> been his name if *Phoebe* had named him. :-p
>
> LOL
:)
>>> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
>>> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
>
>> Why shouldn't Rachel be the one to give up a much-desired career
>> opportunity?
>
> Because she isn't the one with the problem - Emma goes where she goes.
She has a problem if she doesn't want her daughter to grow up without her
father or for her daughter's father to be deprived of contact with her.
Plus, it's not a foregone conclusion that Rachel could just up and leave
with Emma. Ross could challenge her in court (but that wouldn't be very
funny and a poor route for the final season of this sitcom).
>>> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.
--
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cookie dude
Yeah, I did mean it that way. :)
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Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> [...]
> Star Trek star Brent Spiner was totally wasted as James.
Absolutely.
> After Ross goes the wrong way through the revolving door, keep your
> eye on the extras to the right, beginning with a woman dressed in a
> cream-coloured coat. She starts to go through the door the right way,
> then there's a cut, and she's going through the door the wrong way.
> She is then followed by a woman wearing a brown coat, who stops the
> door revolving, and then pushes through it in the right direction.
> When the camera pulls back to reveal that Mark has emerged from the
> revolving door, presumably in the right direction, the two women are
> suddenly back outside, so they go through the revolving door again!
Interesting. I didn't notice that until I read your review. It's quite
astonishing IMO that the cutters could get away with that...
> And why does each panel of the door have a KQ (or QK) TOWERS logo?
Isn't it common that (several) business premises are hosted in a bigger
Building? Maybe Ralph Lauren resides in the KQ (or QK) Towers.
> Zippity doo-dah, an episode that does not begin in Central Perk!!!
Yeah, it was about time they got unstuck from that.
> Monica claims that Chandler scares other couples away with jokes about
> swinging, thus he retorts that she'd wanted to swing with a Portuguese
> couple. Well, shouldn't Phoebe have been interested in that remark? In
> 714 "TOW They All Turn Thirty", she lamented that she'd never met any
> Portuguese people, so Joey claimed he was a sixteenth Portuguese.
Did Joey just claim to be a sixteenth portuguese, or is there any evidence
that he actually is? Or any evidence to the contrary, for that matter?
> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
> especially since his sister had just warned him off? Rachel & Joey
> can't be blamed since Ross was there - but of course, if they *had*
> been invited to dinner, they would have turned up an hour late...
Not to mention that they would have brought a trophy... :)
> I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in order
> to get laid? And just how exactly would that work, then?
Does he need it in order to get laid? I would interpret this a little
differently. - Let's take a look at the Transcript:
Ross: [...] My tenure review board met today and I hear it's looking
really good.
Phoebe: Wow!
Ross: Yeah. Do you have any idea what this means in academic circles,
huh? I am gonna get laid.
I think Ross is using this bit as a metaphor to get across to his (non-
academic) friends what getting tenure really means in academic circles:
it's the equivalent of getting laid.
> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
Hmm. Given Phoebe's admittedly vast, but also *queer* imagination, I'm
not so sure if I would have wanted to try whatever it was that she had
in mind for Mike. Furthermore given that even Joey seemed to object...
Call me prude if you will. ;P
> [Banana Hammock...] and most
> of all it's Number Ten on the list of One Hundred Reasons Why Captain
> Kirk is Better than Captain Picard - which he isn't, so there.
I'm totally with you here. He is not. You hear me? *NOT*! :)
> Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
> not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
> Chandler could think of it.
What is this 'shotgun' thing all about, anyway? I don't get it.
> For the second time this episode, Ross was insensitive when he fails
> to notice that Rachel is upset, despite Phoebe's gentle warnings.
Wouldn't this count as continuity in Ross' behaviour? ;)
> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
Why, it's Robert of course. Didn't you know?
> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
Good question. Next question?
> Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
> to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
That would bring our PhD down to Joey-level, who is already asking advice
from her--or even from her bear. *cringes*
> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be happy?
Probably.
> Gosh, what an original ending! Will Rachel flit off to Paris, leaving
> her friends behind; and if so, what about Ross losing his daughter?
Daughter? Wait... wasn't there also a son of his around, somewhere?
> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
Right. When exactly did he disappear, anyway?
> No spoilers PLEASE from anyone who has seen any future episodes.
Stephan
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cookie dude
>>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a
>>> loon, boasting that he can never be fired;
>
>> How would he know?
>
> Er, because that's what tenure means, you're unsackable.
I meant how would he know Rachel's just been fired? Is he supposed to
have mind reading capabilities now?
>> I'd argue everybody is less likely to pick up on the others subtle
>> hints
>
> Yes, people are.
So why are you bitching about him not catching the subtle hints the
others made?
>>> However, a handsome male friend of Rachel's offers her a job, so
>>> they agree to have dinner together. Ross is quite happy about
>>> this, until she tells him that the man is Mark Robinson, who
>>> found her the job at Bloomingdale's. Instantly, Ross is insanely
>>> jealous, as he regresses seven years to the behaviour that cost
>>> him Rachel in the first place.
>
>> I can't be bothered looking it up, but remember the list of people
>> where we agreed he wasn't coming back?
>
> My verdict on Mark coming back was "definitely not".
Mine as well. I wonder how the actor felt when he got that phone call
>>> Meanwhile, the glorious insanity of Princess's story was let down
>>> by the inevitable boredom of Crap's reaction;
>
>> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch
>> about the people I don't like.
>
> That's not so, I said nice things too.
About Mike? When?
>>> while Rachel & Ross became mired in a fan-fiction reworking of
>>> 311 "TOW Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister", but without the
>>> vodka Jello shots & Joey's beautiful sisters.
>
>> *beautfiul* sisters?
>
> Yes.
Are you drunk/blind/really messed up?
>> And how was this a rework of 311?
>
> When Rachel wanted to quit her job at Fortunata Fashions, handsome
> Mark Robinson offered to prep her for an interview at Bloomingdale's,
> making Ross insanely jealous since Mark's motive must be sex, even
> though Monica had told him to grow up, and put his trust in Rachel.
Ahh. Ross was right about Mark though. And Mark was quite obvious as
well (in S3). That said, he still should have trusted Rachel
>>> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like
>>> that, especially since his sister had just warned him off?
>
>> Joey goes there all the time, no matter what the Bings are up to
>
> Which is why we expect better of Ross.
That statement doesn't make any sense. Why does Ross have to be better
than Joey?
>> Apparently it's the palaeontology equivalent of a Porsche/Ferrari.
>> Don't you have any imagination at all?
>
> I wanted to hear what you'd say.
Goosfraba
>> (nearly wrote 'fantasy' there, good thing I recently read a little
>> of _Dear Doosie_ again.
>
> Wossat?
A book, where the author mixes German and English. His intention was to
help Germans speak a more 'real' English instead of the school book style.
>>> And just how exactly would that work, then?
>
>> Ask you parents
>
> They didn't get tenure.
Nor did mine. They still worked out how to do it
>> How the hell did 118 not get into the Top 6??? I demand a recount!
>
> Okay, here's my Top 20...
Hmm, some rather strange choices in there. For one, I don't see how
anyone could pick anything past S5 for a best of Friends thing. I
personally wouldn't even go further than S4, but I'm leaving in S5 for
the C+M nutters. Anyway, I only bothered to come up with a Top 6, since
that is what NBC asked for. It goes like this:
TOW the candy hearts
TOW all the poker
TOW Rachel finds out
TOW Ross and Rachel ... you know
TOW no one's ready
TOW Chandler in a box
With TOW Rachel finds out being a bit of a question mark, alternatively
I might go for TOW the embryos
>>> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not
>>> only is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he
>>> tries to stop Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off
>>> for being a prude.
>
>> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch
>> about the people I don't like.
>
> That's not so, I said nice things too.
About Mike? When?
>>> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's
>>> not here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate
>>> name?
>
>> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch
>> about the people I don't like.
>
> That's not so, I said nice things too.
About Mike? When?
>>> And who is Hugo Boss?
>
>> Not even you can honestly be that ignorant?
>
> I don't know who Hugo Boss is, what's wrong with that?
>
> By context, I guess he's a fashion designer, but I want details.
Only used to be one of the biggest labels a couple of years back, now
they seem to be doing less fashion and more perfume stuff. How can you
not have heard of their clothes and fragrances, they've been around for
as long as I can think. This is worse than Paul not knowing about the
Foo Fighters.
And if you want details, a Google search for "Hugo Boss" gave me nearly
1.6m results and only took 0.11 seconds. If you can't spare these 0.11
seconds, I'll help you out with www.hugo.com
>> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is make
>> unnecessary and biased comments.
>
> That's not so, some of my biased comments were quite necessary.
Necessary in the same way a baby needs to touch a hot oven plate to find
out it shouldn't do that?
>>> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be
>>> happy?
>
>> Would going to Paris make her happy?
>
> Maybe.
But maybe not.
>>> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any
>>> more.
>
>> Dunno about forgiving, but if he goes with Rachel (to Paris), I'll
>> be very upset indeed.
>
> Right. To repeat, no spoilers *please* about future episodes!!!
Just wanted to add that I'd be upset because he said back in S5 he
couldn't leave because of Ben and I think it would be out of character
for him to decide otherwise now.
André
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> Number Twenty-one is that his bridge is not beige.
Long time since I posted huh? :)
I've seen all the episodes now. I wasn't going to miss the ending. :)
> Over coffee in Central Perk, Monica Geller lets slip that she never
> officially changed her surname to Bing - Chandler starts to protest,
> but then considering his awful childhood, he suggests that they call
> their child Geller, and let the Bing name die with him.
Finally, an answer to all the doubts whether she changed her name or
not.
> Returning to Central Perk, our heroine announces that her new name is
> Princess Consuela Banana Hammock. Her friends are speechless at first,
> then Monica objects to the silly name; so Princess kindly tells her
> best friend that she can just call her 'Valerie' instead.
I just loved the way Phoebe was smiling ear to ear. She was so cute.
:)
> ---o0o---
>
> When Rachel is interviewed by head-hunter James Campbell, her boss
> Mr.Zelner is at the next restaurant table - so she pretends that she
> & James are on a blind date, proceeds to act like a complete idiot,
> and has not the wit to turn the situation to her advantage.
This was just plain awful to watch.
> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a loon,
> boasting that he can never be fired; which makes Rachel break down in
> tears. She expects him to comfort her, but while wrapping her in his
> arms,
That's all the comforting that R&R fans want to see. I bet there's at
least half a dozen kids on angels who've screen grabbed this shot for
their signatures.
> More weirdly, Ross helps Rachel clear her desk by stealing her office
> chair, even cunningly sneaking it out of the Ralph Lauren building by
> loudly forcing the damn thing the wrong way through a revolving door!
So, Ross not only steals from hotels but also office furniture? What
are they doing to him?
> However, a handsome male friend of Rachel's offers her a job, so they
> agree to have dinner together. Ross is quite happy about this, until
> she tells him that the man is Mark Robinson, who found her the job at
> Bloomingdale's. Instantly, Ross is insanely jealous, as he regresses
> seven years to the behaviour that cost him Rachel in the first place.
Well, Mark was no saint then. Not that we didn't expect it but it's
really bad that they'd resort to a hushed up R&R reunion with just two
episodes left.
> Chandler can't believe how stupid Ross is being, except that Rachel
> then reveals that Mark is happily married with twin children - and
> also he has offered her this amazing highly-paid job, in Paris...
>
> ---o0o---
>
> This was a silly episode, packed with lots of weird things seemingly
> designed to make us all laugh - such as the daft names & Ross's manic
> behaviour - unfortunately I never managed more than a smile. In story
> terms, the three strands were quite interesting, perhaps even rising
> above filler; but I'm afraid that what was presumably meant to be the
> main driving point of the show, dissolved into mere cliché.
Agree, quite a bland episode.
> Meanwhile, the glorious insanity of Princess's story was let down by
> the inevitable boredom of Crap's reaction;
Yeah, it kind of fell flat.
> ---o0o---
>
> Zippity doo-dah, an episode that does not begin in Central Perk!!!
Gosh! I didn't realise.
> They have been stuck in this particular rut ever since 1004 "TOW the
> Cake", perpetually opening with most of the gang at the coffee house,
> and then another friend arrives, when they all greet each other.
>
> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
> especially since his sister had just warned him off? Rachel & Joey
> can't be blamed since Ross was there - but of course, if they *had*
> been invited to dinner, they would have turned up an hour late...
So, it's Monica's mistake. ;)
If they didn't want to be intruded by their friends, the Bings should
lock their front door.
> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
But then again, Phoebe did tell Mike's mom that he can rattle a head
board like a sailor on leave.
> Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
> not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
> Chandler could think of it. And when did Ross see the new house?
Hasn't Joey always called for stuff beating out others? That's how he
got to be the minister at C&M's wedding.
> When Chandler tricked Joey by asserting that the little girl had died
> about thirty years before, did he fool you too?
He did actually. :)
>In my defence, I was
> already suspecting that Mackenzie could be a ghost, since her bedroom
> was curiously old-fashioned, and most 8yo girls don't walk around with
> a teddy these days. In any case, the clincher was that in 1010 "TOW
> Chandler Gets Caught", the realtor said that the house was being sold
> by a man who had lost his job, so he was moving in with his parents.
Na na na na <twilight zone music>... ;)
> Joey living with the Bings was good continuity after 702 "TOW Rachel's
> Book", where Chandler told Monica they'd live in a small place outside
> the city, where their kids could learn to ride their bikes, their cat
> would run in through a little kitty door - and of course, they would
> have an apartment over the garage, where Joey could grow old.
Yep, I remembered it too. :)
> Since Rachel is being head-hunted, she had a perfect response to being
> asked why she'd said she didn't want to leave Ralph Lauren - just say
> that's true, she's very happy there, it was Mr.Campbell who approached
> her.
I can't recall, did he?
> Her pathetic failure here was yet more dumbing down for Rachel.
It's just sloppy writing. They could have come up with some better way
to get her fired.
> And who is Hugo Boss?
Are you kidding?
> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
Further proof? What other proof do you have?
> For the second time this episode, Ross was insensitive when he fails
> to notice that Rachel is upset, despite Phoebe's gentle warnings.
No, Ross was just too excited to notice that she was upset. Nothing to
complain about there really.
> Cannot tenure be transferred, if both academic institutions agree?
Dunno but if it's possible, then that's probably what'd happen and
everybody's happy.
> Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
> writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
> he did not work with Mark every day. Of course, some fans will scoff
> at this, but they should bear in mind they have been watching old
> episodes in syndication or on DVD, so it's not the same for them.
Yeah, I thought the fact that he didn't recognise him reflected better
on him.
> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
Some things never change around here... :D
> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
Rightfully, it ought to be Rachel making the adjustment. It's not like
she can't get another job in New York. But since there's hardly any
episodes left, they'll probably write it in a way that won't seem like
such an inconvenience for Ross.
> Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
> to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be happy?
I like that advice but she'll probably let her bear handle all the
calls from Joey and his friends. ;)
>
> ---o0o---
>
> Gosh, what an original ending!
I know!
>Will Rachel flit off to Paris, leaving
> her friends behind; and if so, what about Ross losing his daughter?
No, Ross will flit off with her with daughter in tow. The problem of
being away from Ben won't rise since Ben seems to have dropped off the
planet.
> I can forgive the show for the resemblance to the ending of "Sex and
> the City", since the writers would not know about that. But I cannot
> forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5, over possibly
> abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily in London.
>
> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
Very convenient, isn't it?
Priya
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>>>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a
>>>> loon, boasting that he can never be fired;
>>> How would he know?
>> Er, because that's what tenure means, you're unsackable.
> I think what André meant was how would Ross know that Rachel's just been
> fired, and that his telling them about being immune from firing would
> make her feel worse.
Oh sorry, thanks for the clarification.
Well, the thing is that I didn't say that Ross knew that Rachel had
just been fired, but he still behaved more like a loon than she did.
Tennant Stuart
"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>>>> I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in
>>>> order to get laid? And just how exactly would that work, then?
>>> He doesn't--that's just dumb.
>> Dumb writing? Or writing Ross as dumb?
> Neither, really--I just took it as a silly throw-away line.
In that case, we need some sensible throw-away lines which help the plot.
>> Joey was not going to help a man do the sexual act, but that doesn't
>> mean that he was against doing it himself with a woman.
> That's not how I saw it--it seemed to me Phoebe had come up with
> something that was too much for Joey.
> But you know how it goes. We all see things in our own way. You see
> them your way. I see them the right way. . . . :-p
I've now seen a thread suggesting that Phoebe wanted to felch Mike,
which Joey wouldn't want to do either.
>>>> What is the government bureau that Phoebe went to, for registering a
>>>> change of name? Would that be a state office or a federal office?
>>> You don't listen to me
>> Why?
> I covered this in the 10-09 thread:
Yes I know, but I do listen to you, the comments were out of sync.
If you check the updated version of the review, you'll see that much
of what you said was immediately incorporated.
>> "Is not tenure the best thing that could happen to a professor?"
>> ..but I concede that my construction was ambiguous.
> Oh, okay. Yup, it was--an instance where a contraction (isn't) would have
> come in handy.
Could be, but in the end I changed "Is not" to "Was".
>>> Now, when a woman gets married, all she needs to change her name is
>>> her birth certificate, her marriage certificate, and the name-change
>>> form from SSA. (Pheebs would have had to order a new copy of her
>>> birth certificate, unless there's an alternate ID that would have
>>> been accepted, which is possible.)
>> Such as? On ATF we once debated if she ever had a driving licence,
>> since she wouldn't have got one without her birth certificate.
> Maybe you could find out from <www.ssa.gov>.
Ah.
>>> However, if someone just feels like changing names (e.g. Mike
>>> becoming "Crap Bag"), it's more complicated. He'd have to prove he
>>> weren't doing it to evade the law (e.g. Phoebe's ill-considered
>>> remark), and he'd have to have a legal hearing which he advertised
>>> in the paper, so anyone who might object could attend. (A friend of
>>> mine once joked he'd considered going to these and saying, "No,
>>> don't do it!")
>> That sounds like more trouble than going to the SSA.
> You see my point, then.
Indeedy.
>>>> Are the type of speedoes (speedos?) properly referred to as Banana
>>>> Hammock, Banana-Hammock, or even Bananahammock? It's a bit mixed.
>>> I didn't know about the expression until I saw the episode.
>> Okay. How about the plural of "speedo"?
> I want to say "speedos," but I'm not sure. (And please leave my
> punctuation alone.)
Okay, in that case I'll eliminate the plurals. <Does so>
>>>> I know someone who'll complain at me for saying this, but she's not
>>>> here right now, so wasn't Crap just an amazingly appropriate name?
>>> Did you mean Marita?
>> Well, she also, but I was thinking of you. :)
> I didn't realize I wasn't here. . . .
You weren't here at the moment I wrote that. :)
>>> This would be better than what she did, though I suppose Mr. Z.
>>> might have objected to her even meeting with the HH.
>> This is where she pretends that she brought Campbell to see Zelner.
> Maybe.
Right.
>>>> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
>>>> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
>>> Stop it, please.
>> Hey, this was *your* joke!
> Do you mean you put it in for my benefit, or that I somehow created the
> so-called joke?
Both.
We complained about the way that the writers look down on academics while
extolling other professions. If I've got you the wrong way round (I have
not googled it) then too bad, but no offence was intended.
>>> Does this episode prove that actors don't know what "escrow" means?
>> They probably think it's a Spanish crow.
> All of them think so?
Yeah... ;)
>>> Probably the best he *might be* able to do is be able to get to
>>> tenure review faster--i.e. in three years rather than five-six.
>> Perhaps they ought to be more co-operative.
> Should they? Ought they? :-p
Yes. Yes.
> (Maybe so, but they're pretty heartless.)
Yes.
>>> Chandler's been watching it too. (Kidding! I kid! But I noted in
>>> another thread re. this episode that I half expected either Monica
>>> or Chandler to say, "Oh my God--we're in a rerun!")
>> Lol, that's what they say in the spoof "Friends" over here.
> What spoof?
It's "Big Impression", with Alistair McGowan as Ross/Chandler, Ronni
Ancona as Monica/Phoebe/Emily, and rarely Jan Ravens as Joey/Rachel.
>>>> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
>>>> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
>>> Why shouldn't Rachel be the one to give up a much-desired career
>>> opportunity?
>> Because she isn't the one with the problem - Emma goes where she goes.
> She has a problem if she doesn't want her daughter to grow up without her
> father or for her daughter's father to be deprived of contact with her.
That's true, but she still has the whip hand in the decision process.
> Plus, it's not a foregone conclusion that Rachel could just up and leave
> with Emma. Ross could challenge her in court (but that wouldn't be very
> funny and a poor route for the final season of this sitcom).
Quite.
Tennant Stuart
Stephan Hoffmeister <s.hoff...@mail.com> wrote:
> Hi there, Tennant! - It's been quite a while...
Gosh yes, the Christmas before last, wasn't it?
>> Star Trek star Brent Spiner was totally wasted as James.
> Absolutely.
Thanks. I think he's the only Star Trek star on "Friends", too.
>> After Ross goes the wrong way through the revolving door, <SNIP>
> Interesting. I didn't notice that until I read your review. It's quite
> astonishing IMO that the cutters could get away with that...
It is, isn't it? I only noticed because I went back to check that Ross
really did go the wrong way through the revolving door.
The most blatant example of what the cutters get away with is the big
parcel in 802 "TOW the Red Sweater".
>> And why does each panel of the door have a KQ (or QK) TOWERS logo?
> Isn't it common that (several) business premises are hosted in a bigger
> Building? Maybe Ralph Lauren resides in the KQ (or QK) Towers.
Probably, so does anyone know what KQ (or QK) means?
>> Zippity doo-dah, an episode that does not begin in Central Perk!!!
> Yeah, it was about time they got unstuck from that.
Then all they need is some original stories.
>> Monica claims that Chandler scares other couples away with jokes about
>> swinging, thus he retorts that she'd wanted to swing with a Portuguese
>> couple. Well, shouldn't Phoebe have been interested in that remark? In
>> 714 "TOW They All Turn Thirty", she lamented that she'd never met any
>> Portuguese people, so Joey claimed he was a sixteenth Portuguese.
> Did Joey just claim to be a sixteenth portuguese, or is there any evidence
> that he actually is? Or any evidence to the contrary, for that matter?
He just claimed it. All we know is that one of his grandmothers came to
New York after Mussolini died, but she could be quarter Portuguese.
>> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
>> especially since his sister had just warned him off? Rachel & Joey
>> can't be blamed since Ross was there - but of course, if they *had*
>> been invited to dinner, they would have turned up an hour late...
> Not to mention that they would have brought a trophy... :)
LOL, exactly!
>> I know what tenure is, but why does Professor Geller need it in order
>> to get laid? And just how exactly would that work, then?
> Does he need it in order to get laid? I would interpret this a little
> differently. - Let's take a look at the Transcript:
> Ross: [...] My tenure review board met today and I hear it's looking
> really good.
> Phoebe: Wow!
> Ross: Yeah. Do you have any idea what this means in academic circles,
> huh? I am gonna get laid.
> I think Ross is using this bit as a metaphor to get across to his (non-
> academic) friends what getting tenure really means in academic circles:
> it's the equivalent of getting laid.
Oh, could be. You're the first person to suggest that, I think.
>> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
>> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
>> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
> Hmm. Given Phoebe's admittedly vast, but also *queer* imagination, I'm
> not so sure if I would have wanted to try whatever it was that she had
> in mind for Mike. Furthermore given that even Joey seemed to object...
> Call me prude if you will. ;P
Maybe she wanted him to bathe in the sweat of six healthy young men.
>> [Banana Hammock...] and most
>> of all it's Number Ten on the list of One Hundred Reasons Why Captain
>> Kirk is Better than Captain Picard - which he isn't, so there.
> I'm totally with you here. He is not. You hear me? *NOT*! :)
Good for you!
And I reckon it's in Picard's favour that he never met Joan Collins.
>> Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
>> not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
>> Chandler could think of it.
> What is this 'shotgun' thing all about, anyway? I don't get it.
Think of stagecoaches in old cowboy movies. Up front is the driver,
with the reins in his hands, and sitting next to him is a man with a
shotgun, ready to defend the coach from outlaws or pesky Indians.
By extension, a car's front passenger seat is the shotgun position,
which is much better than being stuck on the back seat where there's
no leg room and you can't see where you're going. I always enforce a
strict shotgun rule with the girls, and no disputing allowed.
Anyway, you call can shotgun to get first dibs on anything, such as
Monica's bedroom - Joey was in sight of the room, and he called it.
>> For the second time this episode, Ross was insensitive when he fails
>> to notice that Rachel is upset, despite Phoebe's gentle warnings.
> Wouldn't this count as continuity in Ross' behaviour? ;)
Oh sure, it's consistent; I just wish he'd wake up.
>> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
>> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
> Why, it's Robert of course. Didn't you know?
Reference?
>> Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
>> to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
> That would bring our PhD down to Joey-level, who is already asking advice
> from her--or even from her bear. *cringes*
Well, quite. He should listen to his sister more.
>> Gosh, what an original ending! Will Rachel flit off to Paris, leaving
>> her friends behind; and if so, what about Ross losing his daughter?
> Daughter? Wait... wasn't there also a son of his around, somewhere?
There was a rumour to that effect, yes...
>> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
> Right. When exactly did he disappear, anyway?
Not counting clip shows, Ben last had dialogue in 810 "TOW Monica's Boots",
he was last seen in 812 "TOW Joey Dates Rachel", and he was last referred
to in 923 "TOI Barbados (part 1)". In 901 "TOW No One Proposes", Jack
Geller referred to Emma as his first grandchild, and had to be reminded
about Ben, which put the writing on the wall.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
cookie dude <cooki...@arcor.de> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>>>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a
>>>> loon, boasting that he can never be fired;
>>> How would he know?
>> Er, because that's what tenure means, you're unsackable.
> I meant how would he know Rachel's just been fired? Is he supposed to
> have mind reading capabilities now?
I misunderstood you since I didn't say that Ross knew that Rachel had
just been fired, but that he behaved more like a loon than she did.
>>> I'd argue everybody is less likely to pick up on the others subtle
>>> hints
>> Yes, people are.
> So why are you bitching about him not catching the subtle hints the
> others made?
Because those subtle hints came after he make a fuss about it being
the single greatest day of his professional career etc. Before that,
Phoebe spoke his name to him, and he just ignored her. Don't tell me
he doesn't know his own name now (though I'd believe it of Joey).
>> My verdict on Mark coming back was "definitely not".
> Mine as well. I wonder how the actor felt when he got that phone call
I guess that depends on how much he got paid, and how busy he's been.
I'd look him up on the IMDb, but that doesn't list much theatre work.
>>> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is bitch
>>> about the people I don't like.
>> That's not so, I said nice things too.
> About Mike? When?
About Mike, not a lot, but the reviews are about more than just Mike.
>>>> Joey's beautiful sisters.
>>> *beautiful* sisters?
>> Yes.
> Are you drunk/blind/really messed up?
Ooooh, get Mr.Choosy, with a supermodel on each arm. :)
>>> And how was this a rework of 311?
>> When Rachel wanted to quit her job at Fortunata Fashions, handsome
>> Mark Robinson offered to prep her for an interview at Bloomingdale's,
>> making Ross insanely jealous since Mark's motive must be sex, even
>> though Monica had told him to grow up, and put his trust in Rachel.
> Ahh. Ross was right about Mark though. And Mark was quite obvious as
> well (in S3). That said, he still should have trusted Rachel
Yep.
>> We expect better of Ross.
> That statement doesn't make any sense. Why does Ross have to be
> better than Joey?
Because Ross is supposed to be the father figure of the group.
>>> I recently read a little of _Dear Doosie_ again.
>> Wossat?
> A book, where the author mixes German and English. His intention was to
> help Germans speak a more 'real' English instead of the school book style.
Oh, excellent. You guys put the Brits to shame.
>>>> And just how exactly would that work, then?
>>> Ask you parents
>> They didn't get tenure.
> Nor did mine. They still worked out how to do it
Assuming you mean that they worked out how to get laid, they didn't
get laid due to having tenure, which is what I was asking about.
>>> How the hell did 118 not get into the Top 6??? I demand a recount!
>> Okay, here's my Top 20...
> Hmm, some rather strange choices in there. For one, I don't see how
> anyone could pick anything past S5 for a best of Friends thing. I
> personally wouldn't even go further than S4, but I'm leaving in S5 for
> the C+M nutters.
Well, nothing on "Friends" can compare with 514 "TOW Everyone Finds Out",
which was so wonderful it made my belly ache, and my cheeks sting.
> Anyway, I only bothered to come up with a Top 6, since that is what NBC
> asked for. It goes like this:
> TOW the Candy Hearts
> TOW All the Poker
> TOW Rachel Finds Out
> TOW Ross and Rachel ... You Know
> TOW No One's Ready
> TOW Chandler in a Box
> With TOW Rachel Finds Out being a bit of a question mark, alternatively
> I might go for TOW the Embryos
Ah, all good or excellent episodes, though I'd prefer TOWtE to TOWRFO.
TOWAtP should be required viewing to see what RnR chemistry looks like.
>> That's not so, I said nice things too.
> About Mike? When?
About Mike, not a lot, but the reviews are about more than just Mike.
>> That's not so, I said nice things too.
> About Mike? When?
About Mike, not a lot, but the reviews are about more than just Mike.
>>>> And who is Hugo Boss?
>>> Not even you can honestly be that ignorant?
>> I don't know who Hugo Boss is, what's wrong with that?
>> By context, I guess he's a fashion designer, but I want details.
> Only used to be one of the biggest labels a couple of years back, now
> they seem to be doing less fashion and more perfume stuff. How can you
> not have heard of their clothes and fragrances,
There, right there, the F-word. That's why not.
> they've been around for as long as I can think. This is worse than Paul
> not knowing about the Foo Fighters. And if you want details, a Google
> search for "Hugo Boss" gave me nearly 1.6m results and only took 0.11
> seconds.
1.6m results is good?
> If you can't spare these 0.11 seconds, I'll help you out with www.hugo.com
Thanks!
>>> Repeat after me: I shouldn't write reviews if all I do is make
>>> unnecessary and biased comments.
>> That's not so, some of my biased comments were quite necessary.
> Necessary in the same way a baby needs to touch a hot oven plate
> to find out it shouldn't do that?
Nope.
>>>> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be
>>>> happy?
>>> Would going to Paris make her happy?
>> Maybe.
> But maybe not.
But maybe so.
> Just wanted to add that I'd be upset because he said back in S5 he
> couldn't leave because of Ben and I think it would be out of character
> for him to decide otherwise now.
Oh, I quite agree André, Ben seems to have totally disappeared.
Tennant Stuart
nis...@emirates.net.ae (p r i y a) wrote:
> Tennant Stuart <ten...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<na.135b9f4c97...@argonet.co.uk>...
> Long time since I posted huh? :)
Oh, hi sweetie! Yes, it's been almost a year now; I've missed you.
> I've seen all the episodes now. I wasn't going to miss the ending. :)
Good for you. I've seen everything except the big finale, which will
hopefully happen in a few more days. In the meanwhile, look out for my
review "Friends S10-16 - fan fiction", which I finished at lunchtime.
>> Over coffee in Central Perk, Monica Geller lets slip that she never
>> officially changed her surname to Bing - Chandler starts to protest,
>> but then considering his awful childhood, he suggests that they call
>> their child Geller, and let the Bing name die with him.
> Finally, an answer to all the doubts whether she changed her name or
> not.
Yes! Now all we need is her middle name, which begins with E.
>> Returning to Central Perk, our heroine announces that her new name is
>> Princess Consuela Banana Hammock. Her friends are speechless at first,
>> then Monica objects to the silly name; so Princess kindly tells her
>> best friend that she can just call her 'Valerie' instead.
> I just loved the way Phoebe was smiling ear to ear. She was so cute. :)
Awwww... :)
>> When Rachel is interviewed by head-hunter James Campbell, her boss
>> Mr.Zelner is at the next restaurant table - so she pretends that she
>> & James are on a blind date, proceeds to act like a complete idiot,
>> and has not the wit to turn the situation to her advantage.
> This was just plain awful to watch.
I know! This show used to be about them being clever.
>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a loon,
>> boasting that he can never be fired; which makes Rachel break down in
>> tears. She expects him to comfort her, but while wrapping her in his
>> arms,
> That's all the comforting that R&R fans want to see. I bet there's at
> least half a dozen kids on angels who've screen grabbed this shot for
> their signatures.
Bet you're right.
What's happened to Angel's Friends? I can't find it any more.
>> More weirdly, Ross helps Rachel clear her desk by stealing her office
>> chair, even cunningly sneaking it out of the Ralph Lauren building by
>> loudly forcing the damn thing the wrong way through a revolving door!
> So, Ross not only steals from hotels but also office furniture? What
> are they doing to him?
I don't know. It's getting so bad that people think I hate Ross; and I
don't, he's my favourite male character on the show.
The strange thing is that Chandler is the character who has improved the
most, and yet many fans are despairing that he's less quippy now.
>> However, a handsome male friend of Rachel's offers her a job, so they
>> agree to have dinner together. Ross is quite happy about this, until
>> she tells him that the man is Mark Robinson, who found her the job at
>> Bloomingdale's. Instantly, Ross is insanely jealous, as he regresses
>> seven years to the behaviour that cost him Rachel in the first place.
> Well, Mark was no saint then. Not that we didn't expect it but it's
> really bad that they'd resort to a hushed up R&R reunion with just two
> episodes left.
Absolutely. This is so awful. If I were a huge RnR fan, I'd be so pissed
off, since RnR get 5 minutes, while CnM got 6 years. They should at least
have put the couple together during the last November Sweeps.
I think the trouble is the writers' hearts just aren't in it, since the
constraints of the spin-off show prevent them from being original, (plus
the fact that the show can't get cancelled), so they have just left RnR
out of the mix until the last minute, then bunged them in as a cliché.
>> This was a silly episode, packed with lots of weird things seemingly
>> designed to make us all laugh - such as the daft names & Ross's manic
>> behaviour - unfortunately I never managed more than a smile. In story
>> terms, the three strands were quite interesting, perhaps even rising
>> above filler; but I'm afraid that what was presumably meant to be the
>> main driving point of the show, dissolved into mere cliché.
> Agree, quite a bland episode.
Right. Sigh.
>> Meanwhile, the glorious insanity of Princess's story was let down by
>> the inevitable boredom of Crap's reaction;
> Yeah, it kind of fell flat.
Exactly.
>> Zippity doo-dah, an episode that does not begin in Central Perk!!!
> Gosh! I didn't realise.
Hehe. You didn't realise that this one was different, or you didn't
realise that many before were all the same?
>> They have been stuck in this particular rut ever since 1004 "TOW the
>> Cake", perpetually opening with most of the gang at the coffee house,
>> and then another friend arrives, when they all greet each other.
>> How insensitive can Ross be, barging into a dinner party like that,
>> especially since his sister had just warned him off? Rachel & Joey
>> can't be blamed since Ross was there - but of course, if they *had*
>> been invited to dinner, they would have turned up an hour late...
> So, it's Monica's mistake. ;)
Grin.
> If they didn't want to be intruded by their friends, the Bings should
> lock their front door.
Good point. I wonder if they'll lock the door in Westchester.
>> Things are not going well in bed for the Hanigans, are they? Not only
>> is Mike reluctant to fully satisfy his new wife, when he tries to stop
>> Phoebe sharing with her friends, she tells him off for being a prude.
> But then again, Phoebe did tell Mike's mom that he can rattle a head
> board like a sailor on leave.
She might just have been buttering the old girl up.
>> Okay, so Joey doesn't know what escrow is - come to think of it, I'm
>> not sure either - but he was bright enough to call 'shotgun', before
>> Chandler could think of it. And when did Ross see the new house?
> Hasn't Joey always called for stuff beating out others? That's how he
> got to be the minister at C&M's wedding.
Yep, and Monica's bedroom.
But Rachel beat him to the front seat in Phoebe's taxi.
>> When Chandler tricked Joey by asserting that the little girl had died
>> about thirty years before, did he fool you too?
> He did actually. :)
Good for you. :)
>> In my defence, I was
>> already suspecting that Mackenzie could be a ghost, since her bedroom
>> was curiously old-fashioned, and most 8yo girls don't walk around with
>> a teddy these days. In any case, the clincher was that in 1010 "TOW
>> Chandler Gets Caught", the realtor said that the house was being sold
>> by a man who had lost his job, so he was moving in with his parents.
> Na na na na <twilight zone music>... ;)
Lol
>> Joey living with the Bings was good continuity after 702 "TOW Rachel's
>> Book", where Chandler told Monica they'd live in a small place outside
>> the city, where their kids could learn to ride their bikes, their cat
>> would run in through a little kitty door - and of course, they would
>> have an apartment over the garage, where Joey could grow old.
> Yep, I remembered it too. :)
Yay.
>> Since Rachel is being head-hunted, she had a perfect response to being
>> asked why she'd said she didn't want to leave Ralph Lauren - just say
>> that's true, she's very happy there, it was Mr.Campbell who approached
>> her.
> I can't recall, did he?
He's a headhunter, he hunts heads. You don't ask to have your head hunted.
>> Her pathetic failure here was yet more dumbing down for Rachel.
> It's just sloppy writing. They could have come up with some better way
> to get her fired.
Absolutely, that's what's wrong with most of the show these days.
>> And who is Hugo Boss?
> Are you kidding?
Nope. André tells me that HB is all about fragrances...
>> Ross asking for six glasses, when (ignoring Gunther) there are only
>> five people present, provides further proof that PhDs can't count.
> Further proof? What other proof do you have?
It's one of Belphoebe's running jokes, which everybody (even Belphoebe
herself) seems to have forgotten.
>> For the second time this episode, Ross was insensitive when he fails
>> to notice that Rachel is upset, despite Phoebe's gentle warnings.
> No, Ross was just too excited to notice that she was upset. Nothing to
> complain about there really.
Well, I think that he should listen to Phoebe more (and to Monica).
>> Cannot tenure be transferred, if both academic institutions agree?
> Dunno but if it's possible, then that's probably what'd happen and
> everybody's happy.
That's right - sadly it isn't possible, according to Belpheebs.
>> Ross failing to recognise Mark at first was actually a fair piece of
>> writing, since it has been 7 years since they met, and unlike Rachel,
>> he did not work with Mark every day. Of course, some fans will scoff
>> at this, but they should bear in mind they have been watching old
>> episodes in syndication or on DVD, so it's not the same for them.
> Yeah, I thought the fact that he didn't recognise him reflected better
> on him.
At least something was done right!
I always admired the way that Joshua was 'played' by the wrong man in
Chandler's dream in 414 "TOW Joey's Dirty Day," since they'd never met.
>> Ah, sadly that's the end of Mr.Zelner, so I guess that we never will
>> find out what his first name is, except that it begins with 'R'.
> Some things never change around here... :D
Yes, but we are making progress.
And I'd give it all up for Monica's middle name.
>> So, should Ross give up his much-desired academic tenure for Emma,
>> or has he not let Rachel mess him around enough over the years?
> Rightfully, it ought to be Rachel making the adjustment. It's not like
> she can't get another job in New York. But since there's hardly any
> episodes left, they'll probably write it in a way that won't seem like
> such an inconvenience for Ross.
Oh sure, if it doesn't just flap around like a fish on the shore.
>> Don't you think it would be a good idea if Ross asks Mackenzie what
>> to do, since she seems to be far more mature than he is these days?
>> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to be happy?
> I like that advice but she'll probably let her bear handle all the
> calls from Joey and his friends. ;)
Aww.... :)
>> Gosh, what an original ending!
> I know!
Sigh.
>> Will Rachel flit off to Paris, leaving
>> her friends behind; and if so, what about Ross losing his daughter?
> No, Ross will flit off with her with daughter in tow. The problem of
> being away from Ben won't rise since Ben seems to have dropped off the
> planet.
Could well be.
>> I can forgive the show for the resemblance to the ending of "Sex and
>> the City", since the writers would not know about that. But I cannot
>> forgive them for rehashing Ross's dilemma in Season 5, over possibly
>> abandoning his son Ben to live with his second wife Emily in London.
>> Except that there's one big difference - Ben doesn't exist any more.
> Very convenient, isn't it?
Absolutely.
Tennant
Paul Hyett
>In article <sl3bc.5055$Lq4....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>,
>"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>
>>>>> Rachel is brave for Ross's sake, even as he behaves more like a
>>>>> loon, boasting that he can never be fired;
>
>>>> How would he know?
>
>>> Er, because that's what tenure means, you're unsackable.
>
>> I think what André meant was how would Ross know that Rachel's just been
>> fired, and that his telling them about being immune from firing would
>> make her feel worse.
>
>Oh sorry, thanks for the clarification.
>
>Well, the thing is that I didn't say that Ross knew that Rachel had
>just been fired, but he still behaved more like a loon than she did.
>
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--
Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett
cookie dude
>> I meant how would he know Rachel's just been fired? Is he supposed
>> to have mind reading capabilities now?
>
> I misunderstood you since I didn't say that Ross knew that Rachel had
> just been fired, but that he behaved more like a loon than she did.
Unfortunately, TPTB seem to like this crazy wide-eyed guy. They need to
put some valium into his coffee. Or at least that's what they should
have done
>> So why are you bitching about him not catching the subtle hints the
>> others made?
>
> Because those subtle hints came after he make a fuss about it being
> the single greatest day of his professional career etc. Before that,
> Phoebe spoke his name to him, and he just ignored her. Don't tell me
> he doesn't know his own name now (though I'd believe it of Joey).
Remember the episode where Rachel gets promoted, Monica is offered the
chef position? Although Rachel tries to tell Monica something, she just
keeps talking. If people have good news, they want to share them and
don't necessarily pay much attention to what's going on around them.
>>> My verdict on Mark coming back was "definitely not".
>
>> Mine as well. I wonder how the actor felt when he got that phone
>> call
>
> I guess that depends on how much he got paid, and how busy he's been.
To be asked to reprise this role after so many years must've been funny.
Not matter what else he does, for some people he'll always be the guy
who broke up Ross and Rachel, along with Chloe. And don't start with all
that "it was her changing jobs" stuff, that's a) not really true IMHO
and b) too abstract
>>> That's not so, I said nice things too.
>
>> About Mike? When?
>
> About Mike, not a lot, but the reviews are about more than just Mike.
True, you're also complaining every episode begins in Central Perk.
> Ooooh, get Mr.Choosy, with a supermodel on each arm. :)
You *have* seen TOW Chandler doesn't know which sister, yes? Those women
are scary, to say the least
>>> We expect better of Ross.
>
>> That statement doesn't make any sense. Why does Ross have to be
>> better than Joey?
>
> Because Ross is supposed to be the father figure of the group.
You seem to have psychological issues there. Fathers don't always get
everything right, nor do they have to :P
> Well, nothing on "Friends" can compare with 514 "TOW Everyone Finds
> Out", which was so wonderful it made my belly ache, and my cheeks
> sting.
Why everybody is wanking over that episode so much will always be a
mystery to me. It made me chuckle every now and then, and it's some Lisa
Kudrow's finest acting - but it's hardly a classic to me. Average at
best. I suppose it's because I was already tired of the C+M thing by then
> Ah, all good or excellent episodes, though I'd prefer TOWtE to
> TOWRFO.
But TOWRFO has "men are here!", "Got to China, eat chinese food! Of
course there, they only call it food" and above all "Keep rubbing your
head, that'll turn back time" (and Chandler's/MP's noises before that line)
> TOWAtP should be required viewing to see what RnR chemistry looks
> like.
Well, that too. But also to see what Chandler was like when he still had
a backbone. It's the episode where the fifth dentist caves, which is
hardly a joincidence. He didn't really want the sarcastic sister from
"What's happening?" though :)
One episode that really should be close to the top of any Best of
Friends list, is The one the morning after, which was incredibly well
acted. I suppose people never list it as one of their favourites because
it was just so incredibly gutwrenching. How they didn't get an Emmy for
that episode is another thing I'll never understand.
>>>>> And who is Hugo Boss?
>
>> Only used to be one of the biggest labels a couple of years back,
>> now they seem to be doing less fashion and more perfume stuff. How
>> can you not have heard of their clothes and fragrances,
>
> There, right there, the F-word. That's why not.
Fashion? So you don't buy clothes (does your mom still pick them out for
you?) or notice billboards?
>> they've been around for as long as I can think. This is worse than
>> Paul not knowing about the Foo Fighters. And if you want details, a
>> Google search for "Hugo Boss" gave me nearly 1.6m results and only
>> took 0.11 seconds.
>
> 1.6m results is good?
According to NBC Dateline you get 716,000 for Jennifer Aniston, so Hugo
Boss is twice as wellknown as JA.
>>>>> And would she tell him to let Rachel go, if he wants her to
>>>>> be happy?
>
>>>> Would going to Paris make her happy?
>
>>> Maybe.
Rachel has a tendency to not think things through.
Belphoebe
>>> Dumb writing? Or writing Ross as dumb?
>
>> Neither, really--I just took it as a silly throw-away line.
>
> In that case, we need some sensible throw-away lines which help the
> plot.
Too late for helpful suggestions. ;)
> I've now seen a thread suggesting that Phoebe wanted to felch Mike,
> which Joey wouldn't want to do either.
??
I couldn't find a definition for "felch" online and my OED is alllll the way
upstairs!
>> I covered this in the 10-09 thread:
>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/3epov>
>
> Yes I know, but I do listen to you, the comments were out of sync.
Mmm-hrrmmmm. But you can see why I wouldn't want to go through it all
again, no?
> If you check the updated version of the review, you'll see that much
> of what you said was immediately incorporated.
Yay. :)
>>> "Is not tenure the best thing that could happen to a professor?"
>
>>> ..but I concede that my construction was ambiguous.
>
>> Oh, okay. Yup, it was--an instance where a contraction (isn't)
>> would have come in handy.
>
> Could be, but in the end I changed "Is not" to "Was".
That'll work.
>>> That sounds like more trouble than going to the SSA.
>
>> You see my point, then.
>
> Indeedy.
Well, good. :)
>> I want to say "speedos," but I'm not sure. (And please leave my
>> punctuation alone.)
>
> Okay, in that case I'll eliminate the plurals. <Does so>
Okey dokey.
>>> Well, she also, but I was thinking of you. :)
>
>> I didn't realize I wasn't here. . . .
>
> You weren't here at the moment I wrote that. :)
Oh, you mean at your house. True enough--I thought you were referring to
someone who'd been absent from ATF.
>>> Hey, this was *your* joke!
>
>> Do you mean you put it in for my benefit, or that I somehow created
>> the so-called joke?
>
> Both.
>
> We complained about the way that the writers look down on academics
> while extolling other professions. If I've got you the wrong way
> round (I have not googled it) then too bad, but no offence was
> intended.
Nope, I did complain, which would suggest that if it was "my" joke, you
wanted to irk me!
>>>> Does this episode prove that actors don't know what "escrow" means?
>
>>> They probably think it's a Spanish crow.
>
>> All of them think so?
>
> Yeah... ;)
So [people from your profession/with your educational background]
overgeneralize? :-p
>> What spoof?
>
> It's "Big Impression", with Alistair McGowan as Ross/Chandler, Ronni
> Ancona as Monica/Phoebe/Emily, and rarely Jan Ravens as Joey/Rachel.
Ah, cross-dressing. . . .
--
Belphoebe