Overrated and Underrated Brookie actors?
Lee Jackson
Lyndsey Corkhill
Emily Shadwick
Jimmy Corkhill
Most Underrated:
Katie Rogers (used to have some good storylines e.g. bulemia, but
nothing for ages!)
Forked Tongue <whiterabbit...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Who do you all think are the most overrated and underrated
> Brookie actors/actresss ever? (past or present).
>
> ----------------------------------------
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Forked Tongue <whiterabbit...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Who do you all think are the most overrated and underrated
> Brookie actors/actresss ever? (past or present).
I know you won't like but I'm going to say it anyway. ANNA FRIEL IS SO
OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed to
bluff her way to the top. I seen Rogue Trader for the first time a
couple of weeks back and what ruined the entire film was Friel's
acting. McGregor had also clearly worked on the accent for the film
where as everytime Friel spoke I was cringing! I hope she sticks with
Stage acting for a while so I don't have to put up with her. And
despite the great debt she owe's to brookside for quick starting her
career she now seems to want to totally wipe Brookside from the memory.
She's another one who's ashamed that "Brookside" appears on her CV. I
don't like the woman and don't think much of her acting either.
As for current stars (?) of brookside. I think Sarah White is actually
underrated and the same goes for Alex Fletcher. 10 years on Brookside
now and she's easily the best of the all the youngsters that grew up on
brookie. (Not exactly hard I know but still something to be proud of)
Yet there has never been a period when they have tried pushed her out
into the limelight (Could be AF'S fault I suppose but I'm not
convinced) instead in recent years it's been Claire Sweeney (Overrated)
that has been given the exposure (prepare for a onslaught on Claire
Sweeney by eagleye now!). The thing with Claire Sweeney is that the
viewing public clearly don't rate her as a actress so she's not
overrated in that sense. It's the last 2 producers on Brookside that
have overrated her.
eagle...@my-deja.com
Forked Tongue <whiterabbit...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Who do you all think are the most overrated and underrated
> Brookie actors/actresss ever? (past or present).
>
> Helen Grace- http://www.helengrace.co.uk
> Me- http://uk.geocities.com/thisispanic
> ~ We scratch our eternal itch ~
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
ago), Anne Marie Davies, Stephen Fletcher, Diane Burke, Timothy
Deenihan, Alex Westcourt, Patricia Potter, Dean Sullivan, the two
Neanderthals. The fact that they are all current cast members speaks
volumes.
Underrated: At the moment, Alex Fletcher, Sue Jenkins, Stephen Pinder.
Captain Black
"Lee Jackson" <jjys...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Most overrated:
> Lyndsey Corkhill
> Emily Shadwick
> Jimmy Corkhill
> Most Underrated:
> Katie Rogers (used to have some good storylines e.g. bulemia, but
> nothing for ages!)
>
readers may remember how wooden he was.
scatm...@my-deja.com
"Lee Jackson" <jjys...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> Most overrated:
> Lyndsey Corkhill
> Emily Shadwick
> Jimmy Corkhill
> Most Underrated:
> Katie Rogers (used to have some good storylines e.g. bulemia, but
> nothing for ages!)
Diane Burke has mastered the art of looking as miserbale as possible on
screen and deserves an award for it. I wouldn't put her in either
category at the moment as she's seen once every 2 months at the moment
so can't really be underrated or overrated.
>
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Sarah Barratt
"Forked Tongue" <whiterabbit...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Who do you all think are the most overrated and underrated
> Brookie actors/actresss ever? (past or present).
>
>
Jennifer Ellison and whatever that little arsewipe that plays Steve Murray
is called. And there's not much of a gap to most of the others who make up
the current cast.
The exceptions are Sue Jenkins, who has played a wonderful and trying part
for so many years so convincingly, and Sarah White, who is at her best when
bits of the old Bev sometimes shine through.
Neither here nor there is Tiffany Chapman, who after a few years of
woodenness when she arrived, really came into her own. I'd like to see more
good storylines for her. The rest of the cast could disappear for all I
care.
Katrina, the Moffets, Victoria Website-Designer - you can keep 'em!
One name I've not seen mentioned once on this NG is that of my all time
favorite, Gladys Ambrose, better known as Julia Brogan. She deserved more
recognition than she ever did get, God bless her. There'll never be another
one of her.
The Spec
nothing more.
Underrated : Dean Sullivan.
He had some of the most classic few lines many years ago, when he
pinched one or more stone lions from a park to sell to a neighbour on
the close, but Sinbad recognised them from when he wa in the children's
home and made Jimmy take them back.
Jimmy, reflecting on his life as a scally : "What have I got? I'm forty
years old, and I can't even make a living as a robber."
Tom Hawley
> OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed to
> bluff her way to the top.
top of what? bad films and average TV?
White Shite
>OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed to
>bluff her way to the top
She hasn't. Makes the media attention more absurd. Nobody has gone on to
anything after Brookside because of it as opposed to despite it. Except Lisa
Faulkner, but Mal Young has a special interest in promoting Brookside
actors.
White Shite
var...@cableinet.co.uk
ICQ 88954483
White Shite
pointless.
scatm...@my-deja.com
"Tom Hawley" <onio...@which.net> wrote:
> > I know you won't like but I'm going to say it anyway. ANNA FRIEL IS
SO
> > OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed to
>
> top of what? bad films and average TV?
Yes, awful films but that rogue trader was billed as being a top film
but was ruined by Friel. She manages to this with anything she appears
in. Except mad cows which was just crap anyway. Basically what I'm
saying is she's got a lot of film roles because of one sensationalist
storyline and she didn't deserve them.
scatm...@my-deja.com
"White Shite" <var...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> >I know you won't like but I'm going to say it anyway. ANNA FRIEL IS
SO
> >OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed to
>
> She hasn't. Makes the media attention more absurd. Nobody has gone on
to
> anything after Brookside because of it as opposed to despite it.
Except Lisa
> Faulkner, but Mal Young has a special interest in promoting Brookside
> actors.
Friel has probably done the best which is a travesty. The likes of Ricky
Tomlinson and Sue Johnston have done far better than Faulkner.
eagle...@my-deja.com
scatm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8vgonk$pdi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Forked Tongue <whiterabbit...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Brookie actors/actresss ever? (past or present).
>
> OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed to
> couple of weeks back and what ruined the entire film was Friel's
> acting. McGregor had also clearly worked on the accent for the film
> where as everytime Friel spoke I was cringing! I hope she sticks with
> Stage acting for a while so I don't have to put up with her. And
> despite the great debt she owe's to brookside for quick starting her
> career she now seems to want to totally wipe Brookside from the
memory.
> She's another one who's ashamed that "Brookside" appears on her CV. I
> don't like the woman and don't think much of her acting either.
>
> As for current stars (?) of brookside. I think Sarah White is actually
> underrated and the same goes for Alex Fletcher. 10 years on Brookside
> now and she's easily the best of the all the youngsters that grew up
on
> brookie. (Not exactly hard I know but still something to be proud of)
> Yet there has never been a period when they have tried pushed her out
> into the limelight (Could be AF'S fault I suppose but I'm not
> convinced) instead in recent years it's been Claire Sweeney
(Overrated)
> that has been given the exposure (prepare for a onslaught on Claire
> Sweeney by eagleye now!). The thing with Claire Sweeney is that the
> viewing public clearly don't rate her as a actress so she's not
> overrated in that sense. It's the last 2 producers on Brookside that
> have overrated her.
> >
or ...
Are they stupid?
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Helen Grace- http://www.helengrace.co.uk
> > Me- http://uk.geocities.com/thisispanic
> > ~ We scratch our eternal itch ~
> >
eagle...@my-deja.com
scatm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <UQ8T5.500$nM6....@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> "Tom Hawley" <onio...@which.net> wrote:
IS
> SO
> > > OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed
to
> > > bluff her way to the top.
> >
>
> Yes, awful films but that rogue trader was billed as being a top film
> but was ruined by Friel. She manages to this with anything she appears
> in. Except mad cows which was just crap anyway. Basically what I'm
> saying is she's got a lot of film roles because of one sensationalist
> storyline and she didn't deserve them.
> >
> >
>
but then couldn't find the distribution backing and so came out on
video/Sky etc. Also, Mad Cows got panned dreadfully. (Didn't she
attempt an Aussie accent in that?)
eagle...@my-deja.com
scatm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <UQ8T5.500$nM6....@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> "Tom Hawley" <onio...@which.net> wrote:
> > > I know you won't like but I'm going to say it anyway. ANNA FRIEL
IS
> SO
> > > OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed
to
> > > bluff her way to the top.
> >
> > top of what? bad films and average TV?
>
> Yes, awful films but that rogue trader was billed as being a top film
> but was ruined by Friel. She manages to this with anything she appears
> in. Except mad cows which was just crap anyway. Basically what I'm
> saying is she's got a lot of film roles because of one sensationalist
> storyline and she didn't deserve them.
> >
> >
>
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>
develop into a good actress, I would agree that her career was quick-
started by the lezza thing on Brookside. After all, whilst it wasn't
the first time homosexuality had been shown on a soap, it WAS the first
time a lesbian relationship had been depicted. Of the two girls
concerned, the media picked up on Friel, largely because of her abuse
and murder storyline concerning Trevor Jordache. I mean, Nicola
Stephenson, apart from Holby City and another short-lived sitcom, has
hardly set the acting world alight. If it hadn't been for that kiss
with Margaret, Beth Jordache would have probably stayed another couple
of years and would have been reincarnated in hetero mode at some point.
eagle...@my-deja.com
> > >I know you won't like but I'm going to say it anyway. ANNA FRIEL IS
> SO
> > >OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed
to
> >
> > She hasn't. Makes the media attention more absurd. Nobody has gone
on
> to
> > anything after Brookside because of it as opposed to despite it.
> Except Lisa
> > Faulkner, but Mal Young has a special interest in promoting
Brookside
> > actors.
>
> Friel has probably done the best which is a travesty. The likes of
Ricky
> Tomlinson and Sue Johnston have done far better than Faulkner.
> >
>
Michael Starke follows suit.
eagle...@my-deja.com
"Sarah Barratt" <miss.e...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> "Forked Tongue" <whiterabbit...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8vgonk$pdi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Brookie actors/actresss ever? (past or present).
> >
> >
> Jennifer Ellison and whatever that little arsewipe that plays Steve
Murray
> is called. And there's not much of a gap to most of the others who
make up
> the current cast.
>
her professional immaturity in not being able to recognise/deal with
atrociously written scripts that is her weakness. Scrub off the orange
tan and get the bleach out of her hair and she's really very good.
Sarah White is getting back to her own and Alex Fletcher is always good
and watchable. Sue Jenkins has been turned into a screaming banshee
doormat in recent years and deserves better.
STEPHEN FLETCHER plays Plank Murray. Brookside got him, complete with
no acting experience whatsoever, straight off the dole queue.
> The exceptions are Sue Jenkins, who has played a wonderful and trying
part
> for so many years so convincingly, and Sarah White, who is at her
best when
> bits of the old Bev sometimes shine through.
>
> Neither here nor there is Tiffany Chapman, who after a few years of
> woodenness when she arrived, really came into her own. I'd like to
see more
> good storylines for her. The rest of the cast could disappear for
all I
> care.
Tiffany Chapman, too one dimensional. You won't see her for dust for
already. The next time you do, she'll be two stone heavier yet.
> Katrina, the Moffets, Victoria Website-Designer - you can keep 'em!
>
> One name I've not seen mentioned once on this NG is that of my all
time
> favorite, Gladys Ambrose, better known as Julia Brogan. She deserved
more
> recognition than she ever did get, God bless her. There'll never be
another
> one of her.
>
>
White Shite
>Tomlinson and Sue Johnston have done far better than Faulkner.
They didn't immediately though. If someone's success is due to Brookside
then they would have been snapped up after they left, instead of a gap.
Tom Hawley
> concerned, the media picked up on Friel, largely because of her abuse
> and murder storyline concerning Trevor Jordache. I mean, Nicola
> Stephenson, apart from Holby City and another short-lived sitcom, has
> hardly set the acting world alight.
I think thats probably mostly to do with Anna being more attractive. Ability
wise, neither are anything very special,
Becci77788237472
especcially R'Lindz!
Jennifer ellison
Ron dixon and all of the Dixons
Underated:
The murray family
Tim ( he is realy good at acting and at least he had some experiance)
Lance ( he is cool!)
Jerome
eagle...@my-deja.com
"White Shite" <var...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> Jimmy Corkhill is played by a very good actor, although his character
is
> pointless.
>
himself, apparently can't see that? It's time Dean Sullivan faced up to
that and turned down any further monetary stipend offered to stay. The
character of Jimmy Corkhill has ceased to become beliveable or
empathetic, and is - quite honestly - redundant.
Sarah Barratt
"Becci77788237472" <becci777...@cs.com> wrote in message
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> Tim ( he is realy good at acting and at least he had some experiance)
He should be with a relative like the legendary Laurence Olivier. Must be
in the blood.
Jack Prime
certainly is attractive but she couldn't touch Nichola's (in Margaret phase)
gorgeous hair!
Regards
Jack
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Myfyr Madoc-Jones
<eagle...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <659T5.4930$ws2.7...@news3.cableinet.net>,
> "White Shite" <var...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Jimmy Corkhill is played by a very good actor, although his character
> is
> > pointless.
> >
> > White Shite
> > var...@cableinet.co.uk
> > ICQ 88954483
> >
> >
> I agree with you entirely, but isn't it a shame that the actor,
> himself, apparently can't see that? It's time Dean Sullivan faced up to
> that and turned down any further monetary stipend offered to stay.
Would You ????? !!!! <Grin>
<SNIP>
Myfyr
Ian Clarke
> I agree with you entirely, but isn't it a shame that the actor,
> himself, apparently can't see that? It's time Dean Sullivan faced up to
> that and turned down any further monetary stipend offered to stay.
God Almighty Marion what planet are you living on? Brookside is this guy's
job, his livelihood. Yes the character has been burned out in recent years
but Dean Sullivan, like the rest of us, maybe likes a steady well paid job.
And who can blame him?
Robert Hampton
IIRC he was offered a lucrative contract by ITV last year. So he would have
had a *very* steady, *very* well-paid job.
--
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http://www.fabland.co.uk/
Ian Clarke
Robert Hampton <robert...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> IIRC he was offered a lucrative contract by ITV last year. So he would
have
> had a *very* steady, *very* well-paid job.
IIRC it was RUMOURED that Dean Sullivan was offered a lucrative contract by
ITV last year. Anyway the point I was making was a generic one in that
actor's don't always have control over the way their characters are
developed but they aren't necessarily in a financial position to make a
major stand on the issue.
ScatmanJohn
eagle...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8vjp7r$oda$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <8vjhrc$jmc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> > > I know you won't like but I'm going to say it anyway. ANNA FRIEL
>IS
>> SO
>> > > OVERRATED. On the back of one sensational storyline she's managed
>to
>> >
>> > top of what? bad films and average TV?
>>
>> Yes, awful films but that rogue trader was billed as being a top film
>> but was ruined by Friel. She manages to this with anything she appears
>> in. Except mad cows which was just crap anyway. Basically what I'm
>> saying is she's got a lot of film roles because of one sensationalist
>> storyline and she didn't deserve them.
>> >
>> >
>>
>but then couldn't find the distribution backing and so came out on
>video/Sky etc. Also, Mad Cows got panned dreadfully. (Didn't she
>attempt an Aussie accent in that?)
I think your're thinking of "The Tribe". This was the biggest load of crap
I've ever seen and nobody wanted it. Rogue Trader was actually a half decent
film but Friel failed miserably with her Cockney accent and yes she
attempted (?) a Aussie accent in mad cows and again she failed.
eagle...@my-deja.com
him mega-money last year for less work. He turned it down when PM
matched the offer. The same thing occurred three years ago with Ross
Kemp and the Beeb. The Beeb matched ITV's initial offer, but the next
year ITV came back and Kemp de-camped. Sullivan wouldn't be short of
work. Mickey Starke had the balls to leave and so did Karen Drury.
Brookside was their full-time job as well, and Starke had a wife and
kids to support. As I understand it, Sullivan is a resident at one of
the posh Merseyside dock developments, so he'd hardly be on the
breadline, now, would he?
eagle...@my-deja.com
offer and - at this time last year - we was VERY SERIOUS in
contemplating acceptance, especially (and this is what HE said in the
interview), it would mean twice the money Brookside could give him for
half the work and he'd have more time to devote to his writing. He was
thinking at the time that he had taken Jimmy as far as he could go and
it was time to leave. It was an interview in print in a national
newspaper. NO rumour, FACT.
Robert Hampton
> IIRC it was RUMOURED that Dean Sullivan was offered a lucrative contract by
> ITV last year. Anyway the point I was making was a generic one in that
> actor's don't always have control over the way their characters are
> developed but they aren't necessarily in a financial position to make a
> major stand on the issue.
Yes, but I doubt Dean Sullivan falls into that category. He's a major
long-running character in a soap -- not exactly million-pound pay cheque
territory, but he must be earning a comfortable living. I'm sure other parts
would be offered to him if he left Brookside, and if Sullivan doesn't think
so, he should have more faith in his acting ability.
eagle...@my-deja.com
Robert Hampton <robert...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "Ian Clarke" <ianc...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > IIRC it was RUMOURED that Dean Sullivan was offered a lucrative
contract by
> > ITV last year. Anyway the point I was making was a generic one in
that
> > actor's don't always have control over the way their characters are
> > developed but they aren't necessarily in a financial position to
make a
> > major stand on the issue.
>
particular role would indeed have some say in the way their characters
are developed. On Brookside, alone, didn't Stephen Pinder object to the
fact that the producer was about to make him a closet homosexual who
was having an affair of 20 years with his solicitor? And Sue Jenkins
did the same when PM attempted to make her WILLINGLY submit to
Shelley's advances? Everyone knows that Alex Fletcher was instrumental
in convincing the production crew that Jacqui Dixon should be softened
up in character. The same is true on Eastenders. Wendy Richard and
Steve McFadden are among two of the long-standing cast members who have
lobbied in defence of their characters as opposed to what writing and
production staff have wanted to do with them. Who knows the character
better than the person who brings him/her to life?
And if the writers are too arrogant to even consider what an actor
thinks about his character, then the actor should have the conviction
to walk and not compromise ... like Paul Usher did when Phil Redmond
insisted on domesticating Barry Grant in 1995.
Sullivan is a senior member of the show, as is Vince Earle, who has
been VERY vocal in his discontent with the way Ron Dixon has been
developed. If they are dissatisfied in anyway with the development of
their character, they should throw their weight behind their own
defence or walk it. With Sullivan, I got the impression that he got a
better offer from the mega budget PM had received and opted to stay.
His character has definitely reached his sell-by date. What next for
Jimmy? A gender crisis and a sex change?
> Yes, but I doubt Dean Sullivan falls into that category. He's a major
> long-running character in a soap -- not exactly million-pound pay
cheque
> territory, but he must be earning a comfortable living. I'm sure
other parts
> would be offered to him if he left Brookside, and if Sullivan doesn't
think
> so, he should have more faith in his acting ability.
>
> --
> Robert Hampton, Liverpool, UK
> r_ha...@blueyonder.co.uk
> http://www.fabland.co.uk/
>
>
Peter Cross
> been VERY vocal in his discontent with the way Ron Dixon has been
> developed. If they are dissatisfied in anyway with the development of
> their character, they should throw their weight behind their own
> defence or walk it. With Sullivan, I got the impression that he got a
> better offer from the mega budget PM had received and opted to stay.
What sort of comments did Vince Earle make?
eagle...@my-deja.com
1999, one of the first on-the-record comments he made was that his
favourite Brookside characters were Ron Dixon and Tim O'Leary. He went
on to say that they had been pitifully sidelined in 1999 and that he
was going to remedy that for the coming year. (The first part of his
comment was true; Ron was sidelined in 1999 and we hardly ever saw Tim).
Whilst he was true to his word re Philip Olivier, Vince Earle's
character was portrayed as an even more buffoonish bigot. There was
even an incident in an episode where Ron was seen to surreptitiously
take a phoney prossie card and go to ring a prostitute (only to find
out that this was Susannah).
He has been the butt of silly comments and atrocious storylines even
moreso and to such a degree under the Marquess regime, that many
viewers find it hard to realise that Vince Earle's character wasn't
half as bad originally as he is portrayed now. For example, in the
current UK Living repeat (late 1992), Ron Dixon is seen to side with
Mick and Ellis against George Webb, to the point of joining in their
campaign of harassment. And it was Ron who prevented this crew torching
Mick's house. Not many people remember that.
A couple of months ago, Paul Marquess, in an interview with Inside
Soap, reiterated that Ron Dixon was his favourite character and then
added, 'although I know Vince Earle doesn't believe me'. The following
month, in the same magazine, Vince Earle gave an interview in which he
was virtually crying out for a good storyline and representation. Like
Wendy Richard recently, Earle said he sees Ron as a devoted family man,
who values financial security from having been raised to work for what
he got, that Ron would do anything for his family. He also said that he
would like to see Ron in a few lighter storylines, to show that he has
a sense of humour, and not be portrayed as negatively as he is.
Peter Cross
from eagle...@my-deja.com contains these words:
> >
> > What sort of comments did Vince Earle make?
> >
> >
> When Paul Marquess took over as Brookside series producer in August
> 1999, one of the first on-the-record comments he made was that his
> favourite Brookside characters were Ron Dixon and Tim O'Leary. He went
> on to say that they had been pitifully sidelined in 1999 and that he
> was going to remedy that for the coming year. (The first part of his
> comment was true; Ron was sidelined in 1999 and we hardly ever saw Tim).
> Whilst he was true to his word re Philip Olivier, Vince Earle's
> character was portrayed as an even more buffoonish bigot. There was
> even an incident in an episode where Ron was seen to surreptitiously
> take a phoney prossie card and go to ring a prostitute (only to find
> out that this was Susannah).
Quite true. Ron Dixon hasn't really played any part in the show for
some years in my opinion.
He has been reduced to the level of being a total joke and an
outright idiot in most cases.
> He has been the butt of silly comments and atrocious storylines even
> moreso and to such a degree under the Marquess regime, that many
> viewers find it hard to realise that Vince Earle's character wasn't
> half as bad originally as he is portrayed now. For example, in the
> current UK Living repeat (late 1992), Ron Dixon is seen to side with
> Mick and Ellis against George Webb, to the point of joining in their
> campaign of harassment. And it was Ron who prevented this crew torching
> Mick's house. Not many people remember that.
I very clearly remember it first time around and am watching it again
on the Sunday omnibus on UK living.
> A couple of months ago, Paul Marquess, in an interview with Inside
> Soap, reiterated that Ron Dixon was his favourite character and then
> added, 'although I know Vince Earle doesn't believe me'. The following
> month, in the same magazine, Vince Earle gave an interview in which he
> was virtually crying out for a good storyline and representation. Like
> Wendy Richard recently, Earle said he sees Ron as a devoted family man,
> who values financial security from having been raised to work for what
> he got, that Ron would do anything for his family. He also said that he
> would like to see Ron in a few lighter storylines, to show that he has
> a sense of humour, and not be portrayed as negatively as he is.
I think the difference the writers need to establish for Ron is the
borderline between humor and stupidity.
I think what you say regarding his family background is very valid.
In the UK living repeats he appears most concerned that his children
are not getting mixed up with George Webb.
I noticed this last few weeks that the writers have started
developing the relationship of Ron and Josh, seen playing football
with his grandson in the garden. Bev even mentioned that Josh was to
be spending some time with his father, Mike Dixon.
This is a possible avenue for development of Ron.
Another possibility is the reintroduction of the "Jimmy Corkhill
killed our Tony" story. The loss of a child is a wound that i'm sure
never heals.
Then again they could just kill him off altogether - something which
members of this newsgroup were all too keen on doing a couple of years back!
eagle...@my-deja.com
Peter Cross <pet...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <90142g$bqr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
> from eagle...@my-deja.com contains these words:
>
> > >
> > > What sort of comments did Vince Earle make?
> > >
> > >
> > When Paul Marquess took over as Brookside series producer in August
> > 1999, one of the first on-the-record comments he made was that his
> > favourite Brookside characters were Ron Dixon and Tim O'Leary. He
went
> > on to say that they had been pitifully sidelined in 1999 and that he
> > was going to remedy that for the coming year. (The first part of his
> > comment was true; Ron was sidelined in 1999 and we hardly ever saw
Tim).
> > Whilst he was true to his word re Philip Olivier, Vince Earle's
> > character was portrayed as an even more buffoonish bigot. There was
> > even an incident in an episode where Ron was seen to surreptitiously
> > take a phoney prossie card and go to ring a prostitute (only to find
> > out that this was Susannah).
>
> Quite true. Ron Dixon hasn't really played any part in the show for
> some years in my opinion.
> He has been reduced to the level of being a total joke and an
> outright idiot in most cases.
>
ca. 1996 and you have a two completely different characters.
> > He has been the butt of silly comments and atrocious storylines even
> > moreso and to such a degree under the Marquess regime, that many
> > viewers find it hard to realise that Vince Earle's character wasn't
> > half as bad originally as he is portrayed now. For example, in the
> > current UK Living repeat (late 1992), Ron Dixon is seen to side with
> > Mick and Ellis against George Webb, to the point of joining in their
> > campaign of harassment. And it was Ron who prevented this crew
torching
> > Mick's house. Not many people remember that.
>
> I very clearly remember it first time around and am watching it again
> on the Sunday omnibus on UK living.
>
And also it was Ron who was the bastion of the family and held quite an
open-minded attitude when Derek's crisis reared itself. It was DD who
came across as narrow-minded and bigoted.
It would be nice to see some interplay between Mike and his son. The
situation with Josh at the moment is not ideal. His mother is living
with a man who's a known drug dealer and a lesbian who uses the place
like a hotel (and all in front of a child). Mike seems to go out of his
way to ignore the child. He is as much his responsibility as Beth is.
> This is a possible avenue for development of Ron.
>
> Another possibility is the reintroduction of the "Jimmy Corkhill
> killed our Tony" story. The loss of a child is a wound that i'm sure
> never heals.
>
It amazes me how everyone has forgotten this story, as well as Katie
Rogers failing to remember that it was Jimmy Corkhill who was
responsable for her father's death. If Sinbad can spend years holding a
grudge against Ron for destroying his business and gain sympathy in
that regard for this, why does everyone think Ron should be able to
forget the fact that Jimmy Corkhill was responsable for Tony Dixon's
death? Or Mick to forget how Ron put his neck on the line for Mick's
family in the days of George Webb.
I would like to see Ron Dixon treated sympathetically for once.
> Then again they could just kill him off altogether - something which
> members of this newsgroup were all too keen on doing a couple of
years back!
The DE-habilitation of Ron Dixon can be dated from ca. 1995, when he
was quite vocal in his criticism of Brookside storylines at the time. I
remember reading that the first heart attack was introduced at a time
when Earle was, indeed, considering leaving the show, but thought
better.
I would like to see the Corkhills go away and some more positive
emphasis put on Ron for a bit. Jimmy Corkhill and his equine daughter
have been overused to the point that it's ridiculous.
Robert Hampton
> And if the writers are too arrogant to even consider what an actor thinks
> about his character, then the actor should have the conviction to walk and
> not compromise ... like Paul Usher did when Phil Redmond insisted on
> domesticating Barry Grant in 1995.
And to see what *can* happen if you have that conviction, Paul Usher is
appearing in BBC1's daytime series Doctors next Monday, according to the
CreamGuide mailing list.
eagle...@my-deja.com
Robert Hampton <r_ha...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> eagle...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > And if the writers are too arrogant to even consider what an actor
thinks
> > about his character, then the actor should have the conviction to
walk and
> > not compromise ... like Paul Usher did when Phil Redmond insisted on
> > domesticating Barry Grant in 1995.
>
> And to see what *can* happen if you have that conviction, Paul Usher
is
> appearing in BBC1's daytime series Doctors next Monday, according to
the
> CreamGuide mailing list.
>
played Elaine Johnson?