FFL/Darla question for Tim Minear
Niall Harrison
Love'. Sadly, it still needs spoiler space...anyway, S2 _Angel_ spoilers
and another shameless attempt to engage the VIP in discussion ahoy!
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I think I remember reading somewhere that you directed *all* the China
sequences - even the ones in 'Fool For Love'. Is that right? Also, who
wrote the shared flashback scenes?
Niall
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>>I think I remember reading somewhere that you directed *all* the China
sequences - even the ones in 'Fool For Love'. Is that right?>>
Well, no. I directed all of "Darla" and the exterior China sequences that
overlapped in both episodes.
>> Also, who wrote the shared flashback scenes?<<
Doug and I wrote those together.
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mmm... fascinating bit of info there Tim `ol boy ;) Yep, really bared your
soul ;)
What eloquence.. what panache.. (Line?? ;) Agh.. can`t wait for S3 ;)
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As a follow-up question - how much work went into making the two versions so
subtly different (and how much direction did you need to give the cast)?
As I wrote at the time:
"The two versions of the China scene were truly brilliant! The differences
between then - especially in DB's delivery - are minuscule; but the feel and
meaning of the two scenes is quite different."
Also how much input did you have in establishing the superb look of the
cinematography in those scenes?
Many Thanks.
AJP
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> Does this really need spoiler space?
Sadly, yes. S2 has still only aired on satellite TV here, although the
prospects of a terrestrial showing seem to be marginally better than they
were a few months ago. I wouldn't say it's a likelihood yet, but there's
reason for hope.
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Why's that, then?
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Thanks.
Niall
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>>As a follow-up question - how much work went into making the two versions so
subtly different (and how much direction did you need to give the cast)?
As I wrote at the time:
"The two versions of the China scene were truly brilliant! The differences
between then - especially in DB's delivery - are minuscule; but the feel and
meaning of the two scenes is quite different."<<
It's mostly about context and editing choices. In terms of context, we're
coming out of a scene that's Spike's POV in FFL, and a different scene (Angel
saving the family in the alley) in "Darla." We're planted in those characters'
points of view before we get to the common moment. Also, in "Darla," I cut
close to Darla looking somewhat suspicious which adds to the "Angel's not
jealous, he's really uncomfortable" take on the scene. And I'm pretty sure we
used different takes of Angel's reading of "Let's get out of here, this
rebellion's starting to bore me." Which may be considered a cheat of sorts.
In the version I used in "Darla," I recall the direction I gave David right
before that take was "just say it as though what you're really saying is 'I
gotta find some new friends.'"
>>Also how much input did you have in establishing the superb look of the
cinematography in those scenes?<<
I designed the shots. But all real credit for the look of those scenes, the
exteriors, goes to Herb Davis, our DP the first two seasons.
Tim Minear
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Thanks.
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Real leadership and, it seems to me, honestly held principles, resolve and an
almost romantic idealism about how the world could be.
And for me as an American, sometimes it seems like we've no real friends in
this world, but Mister Blair makes it plain that isn't so.
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>Real leadership and, it seems to me, honestly held principles, resolve and an
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Hmmm - there's lots of Socialists who'd disagree with you on that. But
at least he finally got the UK back to being more than a 1 party state
(until William Hague managed to swing the pendulum so fat the other
way that we're back to 1 party again!).
And I have to say, his missus is genuine enough and she's no fool. I
don't think she'd stick by him if he was an unprincipled b****.
>And for me as an American, sometimes it seems like we've no real friends in
>this world, but Mister Blair makes it plain that isn't so.
Lots of friends .... it's just that it's always fashionable to knock
success (humans are jealous by nature!).
Helen
Richard Gadsden
> Real leadership and, it seems to me, honestly held principles, resolve
> and an almost romantic idealism about how the world could be.
Yup, his foreign policy's a lot better than his domestic policy - a bit
like Mikhail Gorbachev.
I'm a Liberal Democrat. I don't vote Labour. But he's a damn fine Prime
Minister and I'm proud at times at the way he represents the country.
That doesn't stop me criticising him at times though.
> And for me as an American, sometimes it seems like we've no real
> friends in this world, but Mister Blair makes it plain that isn't so.
When it *really* comes down to the crunch, Europe is with you. Like
friends, though, we tend to lean over sometimes and try to give you advice
- which isn't always well-taken.
PS Did you notice that we voted for Somnambulist for Best Writing in our
little private Oscars? Fancy an acceptance speech?
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"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
Dan Hartland
>On 28 Oct 2001 20:34:00 GMT, timm...@aol.com (Tim Minear) wrote:
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>Hmmm - there's lots of Socialists who'd disagree with you on that. But
>at least he finally got the UK back to being more than a 1 party state
>(until William Hague managed to swing the pendulum so fat the other
>way that we're back to 1 party again!).
I honestly think old Tony is more idealistic than a lot of his critics may
like to have us believe. It's just that he knew the Foot/Kinnock/even
Smith-era policies would never get Labour elected and that sometimes you
have to make compromises to do *some* good.
>Lots of friends .... it's just that it's always fashionable to knock
>success (humans are jealous by nature!).
Indeed ... and sometimes it's easy to forget (though I never do!) how good a
nation America is, even given all the quibbling.
Dan,
Who loves America lots.
Andrew Poulter
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> >>As a follow-up question - how much work went into making the two
versions so
> subtly different (and how much direction did you need to give the cast)?
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> As I wrote at the time:
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> "The two versions of the China scene were truly brilliant! The
differences
> between then - especially in DB's delivery - are minuscule; but the feel
and
> meaning of the two scenes is quite different."<<
>
> It's mostly about context and editing choices. In terms of context, we're
> coming out of a scene that's Spike's POV in FFL, and a different scene
(Angel
> saving the family in the alley) in "Darla." We're planted in those
characters'
> points of view before we get to the common moment. Also, in "Darla," I
cut
> close to Darla looking somewhat suspicious which adds to the "Angel's not
> jealous, he's really uncomfortable" take on the scene. And I'm pretty
sure we
> used different takes of Angel's reading of "Let's get out of here, this
> rebellion's starting to bore me."
It looks that way - on close examination.
> Which may be considered a cheat of sorts.
Not cheating at all - I thought it was really rather clever.
> In the version I used in "Darla," I recall the direction I gave David
right
> before that take was "just say it as though what you're really saying is
'I
> gotta find some new friends.'"
> >>Also how much input did you have in establishing the superb look of the
> cinematography in those scenes?<<
>
> I designed the shots. But all real credit for the look of those scenes,
the
> exteriors, goes to Herb Davis, our DP the first two seasons.
Thanks for that Tim.
Andrew.