S3 spoilers - Episode 3.09
Gary Chapman
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I've been enjoying season 3 of angel. A couple of iffy episodes sure
but generally being built up quite well. Genuinely looking forward to
this episode and it was just dreadful. Darla whines on and on in a
remarkably un-vampy way. I was delighted when she staked herself. That
was only topped by the ludicrous shots of Holtz in slow motion and
flames with a stupid soundtrack.
Worst episode so far? Well perhaps not as bad as I Fall to Pieces :)
Gary
natalie
"Gary Chapman" <ga...@modelford.com> wrote in message
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> I've been enjoying season 3 of angel. A couple of iffy episodes sure
> but generally being built up quite well. Genuinely looking forward to
> this episode and it was just dreadful. Darla whines on and on in a
> remarkably un-vampy way. I was delighted when she staked herself. That
> was only topped by the ludicrous shots of Holtz in slow motion and
> flames with a stupid soundtrack.
i don't think you'll get much feedback on this, since most of the posters
here are waiting until the eps air on sky before having any discussion.
i'd recommend that you go along to alt.buffy.europe or alt.tv.angel as both
of those newsgroups are happily discussing these episodes already.
alternatively, wait until the episode airs on sky and then some more of us
will talk :)
> Worst episode so far? Well perhaps not as bad as I Fall to Pieces :)
and if you wait until january, then i'll verbally slay you for saying this
:)
and if that's your opinion, then check out alt.tv.angel because David Hines
(reviewer bloke) has just damned the episode also. you'd be in like-minded
company!
natalie
Steve Farrell
somebody called Gary Chapman made the following views known to all at
uk.media.tv.angel:
You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak.
Lullabye was second only to Five By Five in terms of drama, impact and
overall brilliance. Holtz is a wonderful character, and if not then at
least he's a welcome break from the rapidly-becoming-tedious Wolfram and
Hart arc. And I thought it was such a wonderful touch that Holtz started
singing so the Host would read him and give the humans a chance to escape.
The slow motion thing was a brilliant cinematic stroke; and setting fire to
a regular location (cf Spike's factory in 'Passion') is always good. Slo-mo
has been used for several of my favourite moments in Buffy and Angel - the
fight at the end of The Wish, Angelus, Dru, Spike and Darla in Fool For
Love, the vamps attacking the Bronze in The Harvest and the Pack in The
Pack. I don't know why but there's something about it that draws me in even
more than usual. Maybe I'm shallow. But even without that, there's no
denying the impact the episode has on the entire series. Darla is dead -
this time forever. Angel has a son - a human son. Gunn is almost starting
to get better lines than those lifted from an early Fresh Prince of Bel Air
script, and Fred is becoming less and less irritating.
I loved it.
Steve
--
'I tried being patient, but it took too long' - Anya, BtVS
Niall Harrison
> "Gary Chapman" <ga...@modelford.com> wrote in message
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>> I've been enjoying season 3 of angel. A couple of iffy episodes sure
>> but generally being built up quite well. Genuinely looking forward to
>> this episode and it was just dreadful.
[...]
> i don't think you'll get much feedback on this, since most of the posters
> here are waiting until the eps air on sky before having any discussion.
Indeed. I'm just posting in this thread to say that I'm not posting.
Kinda.
> alternatively, wait until the episode airs on sky and then some more of us
> will talk :)
I'd say, *please* come back when the ep airs on sky. It's much more fun
when people disagree about an ep than when everyone is unanimous.
> and if that's your opinion, then check out alt.tv.angel because David
> Hines (reviewer bloke) has just damned the episode also.
I think the apocalypse must be nigh.
(1) David Hines panned a Tim Minear epsiode.
(2) For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.
Normally if I disagree with his review, I have to admit that his comments
are valid, but I think he gives them too much weight (FFL being the
obvious example).
(3) I agree almost entirely with a followup to his review by DarkMagic, of
all people. :)
- for those who are interested.
Niall
--
Walking barefoot along the sand
I hadn't planned to stay.
natalie
"Niall Harrison" <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - natalie wrote:
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> > "Gary Chapman" <ga...@modelford.com> wrote in message
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> Kinda.
so was i.
sorta
> > alternatively, wait until the episode airs on sky and then some more of
us
> > will talk :)
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> I'd say, *please* come back when the ep airs on sky. It's much more fun
> when people disagree about an ep than when everyone is unanimous.
oh i didn't mean to sound off-putting (chronic habit) - all comments will be
welcomed for the sky airings.
i just felt bad that someone had taken the time to write a message and it
might sit here because we were all trying to be good and not discuss S3 in
the uk group until the right time.
natalie
Mattia Valente
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> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - natalie wrote:
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> > "Gary Chapman" <ga...@modelford.com> wrote in message
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> >> I've been enjoying season 3 of angel. A couple of iffy episodes sure
> >> but generally being built up quite well. Genuinely looking forward to
> >> this episode and it was just dreadful.
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> [...]
Shocking, innit?
> > i don't think you'll get much feedback on this, since most of the posters
> > here are waiting until the eps air on sky before having any discussion.
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> Indeed. I'm just posting in this thread to say that I'm not posting.
> Kinda.
Hehehe...
> > alternatively, wait until the episode airs on sky and then some more of us
> > will talk :)
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> I'd say, *please* come back when the ep airs on sky. It's much more fun
> when people disagree about an ep than when everyone is unanimous.
Perhaps. As long as it doesn't get too ugly..
(that's a YES POST MORE from me, FWIW..)
> > and if that's your opinion, then check out alt.tv.angel because David
> > Hines (reviewer bloke) has just damned the episode also.
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> I think the apocalypse must be nigh.
:-p
> (1) David Hines panned a Tim Minear epsiode.
> (2) For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.
> Normally if I disagree with his review, I have to admit that his comments
> are valid, but I think he gives them too much weight (FFL being the
> obvious example).
Aaah......
> (3) I agree almost entirely with a followup to his review by DarkMagic, of
> all people. :)
Oh. My. God. Ms. 'Dracula was a Monk'...shocking.
Hmmm...could it be Hines lost taste when Tim killed off his 'Character I
like to Drool At[tm]'?
And no, I'm not going to ata.
Mattia
--
"My beagle went swimming today and now he's typing on my keyboard with
his ample nose. Oh, and he's the bestest handsomeest beagle EVER."
--Tim Minear, Salon.com, May 2001
Niall Harrison
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[apocalypse imminent because]
>> (3) I agree almost entirely with a followup to his review by DarkMagic, of
>> all people. :)
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> Oh. My. God. Ms. 'Dracula was a Monk'...shocking.
I know. I'm still reeling.
> Hmmm...could it be Hines lost taste when Tim killed off his 'Character I
> like to Drool At[tm]'?
I think he is also reeling.
> And no, I'm not going to ata.
Hey, that's why I provided the groups.google link.
Now, if only the post would turn up on my newsserver, so I could follow up
to it...
Niall
--
When memes collide.
Tim Minear
Hunh. Me too. Weird.
Mattia Valente
Well, to be fair, she can present interesting argument. And do it well.
Just some things go too....well, far. Had an interesting discussion here
about the D was a M thing. Well, UMTB, anyway.
> > Hmmm...could it be Hines lost taste when Tim killed off his 'Character I
> > like to Drool At[tm]'?
>
> I think he is also reeling.
Heh..
> > And no, I'm not going to ata.
>
> Hey, that's why I provided the groups.google link.
;-P
> Now, if only the post would turn up on my newsserver, so I could follow up
> to it...
Yes, of course. Then the fun[tm] begins. That's not allowed, though, is
it? I thought you were on a mission to destroy ata or something, drag
all the worthwile posters over here...
Niall Harrison
Oh, yes. Very entertaining.
> Just some things go too....well, far. Had an interesting discussion here
> about the D was a M thing. Well, UMTB, anyway.
Some of her ideas are very good...they're just clearly never, ever going
to be used on _Buffy_.
>> > Hmmm...could it be Hines lost taste when Tim killed off his 'Character I
>> > like to Drool At[tm]'?
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>> I think he is also reeling.
>
> Heh..
This is why TM is god, see. Give the people what they want, but in the
way they least want it. :-)
>> Now, if only the post would turn up on my newsserver, so I could follow up
>> to it...
>
> Yes, of course. Then the fun[tm] begins. That's not allowed, though, is
> it? I thought you were on a mission to destroy ata or something, drag
> all the worthwile posters over here...
Subvert from within, my friend, subvert from within.
Niall
--
Rockin' the suburbs.
Gary Chapman
> At some point in the past (Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:14:18 GMT, as it happens),
> somebody called Gary Chapman made the following views known to all at
> uk.media.tv.angel:
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Sky air em.
Amazing how different opinions can be! Not on the same planet as 'Five
by Five' for me. Better to come Im sure.
Gary
Mattia Valente
Not necessarily always realistic, but entertaining.
> > Just some things go too....well, far. Had an interesting discussion here
> > about the D was a M thing. Well, UMTB, anyway.
>
> Some of her ideas are very good...they're just clearly never, ever going
> to be used on _Buffy_.
..and if some were, many people would moan about consisteny errors ;-)
> >> > Hmmm...could it be Hines lost taste when Tim killed off his 'Character I
> >> > like to Drool At[tm]'?
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> >> I think he is also reeling.
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> > Heh..
>
> This is why TM is god, see. Give the people what they want, but in the
> way they least want it. :-)
Mwah hah hah. Sadistic God, then. Much like Joss that way.
> >> Now, if only the post would turn up on my newsserver, so I could follow up
> >> to it...
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> > Yes, of course. Then the fun[tm] begins. That's not allowed, though, is
> > it? I thought you were on a mission to destroy ata or something, drag
> > all the worthwile posters over here...
>
> Subvert from within, my friend, subvert from within.
Oh, right. Did I just blow your cover?
Niall Harrison
>> >> > like to Drool At[tm]'?
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>> >> I think he is also reeling.
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>> > Heh..
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>> This is why TM is god, see. Give the people what they want, but in the
No-one's ever gonna believe me, but that was a typo. Meant to be 'good'.
Still, doesn't make much difference.
>> way they least want it. :-)
>
> Mwah hah hah. Sadistic God, then. Much like Joss that way.
They're the best kind...as long as you don't have to live in their
universe.
>> >> Now, if only the post would turn up on my newsserver, so I could follow up
>> >> to it...
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>> > Yes, of course. Then the fun[tm] begins. That's not allowed, though, is
>> > it? I thought you were on a mission to destroy ata or something, drag
>> > all the worthwile posters over here...
>>
>> Subvert from within, my friend, subvert from within.
>
> Oh, right. Did I just blow your cover?
Yes. Now I shall have to kill you.
Niall
--
Hope's the child of what luck brings.
Mattia Valente
Riiight...
> Meant to be 'good'.
> Still, doesn't make much difference.
Well, depends on your religious beliefs, I guess.
> >> way they least want it. :-)
> >
> > Mwah hah hah. Sadistic God, then. Much like Joss that way.
>
> They're the best kind...as long as you don't have to live in their
> universe.
The one they create, you mean. True.
> >> >> Now, if only the post would turn up on my newsserver, so I could follow up
> >> >> to it...
> >> >
> >> > Yes, of course. Then the fun[tm] begins. That's not allowed, though, is
> >> > it? I thought you were on a mission to destroy ata or something, drag
> >> > all the worthwile posters over here...
> >>
> >> Subvert from within, my friend, subvert from within.
> >
> > Oh, right. Did I just blow your cover?
>
> Yes. Now I shall have to kill you.
Crap. I hate it when they kill me.
pikelet
to the waist and cried out:
>>>For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.<<
>
>Hunh. Me too. Weird.
"Oooh, look! There's a really good episode that gets something done,
and does it really rather well, and everybody's going to say that it
was well done and satisfying and... hang on... if I miss the point
entirely, behave as if I were watching a completely different show
with a completely different take on life, and was led to believe other
things entirely, then I'd be disappointed. So... maybe if I act
disappointed, that will make me clever and in with the in crowd
because they also miss the point and bash things pointlessly!"
Sorry to everyone else, it's really not writer-flattery that I'm
indulging in here. It's because ata is, frankly, a weird little place
where it's clever to be a cynic. And sometimes it is, you know. But
not to the exclusion of all that is good and entertaining about a
show.
Going to stop bitching now, because otherwise I could rant for hours
about how people watch the show, miss the point, and then complain
about things that they've missed the point of at great length and with
great volume.
<breathes deeply and slowly>
Going to pick a fight with Hines and Trombley now... [1]
Tim
[1] Though last time I did that, I got insulted by people I didn't
realise I was having a conversation with, and ignored by others when I
pointed out that their grips were answered within the show... [2]
[2] No, really, I'm shutting up now. [3]
[3] Honest.
Niall Harrison
>>>For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.<<
>
> Hunh. Me too. Weird.
You don't say? :-)
Niall
--
If it ain't broke, take it apart to see what makes it so damn special.
Niall Harrison
> On 27 Nov 2001 03:54:18 GMT, timm...@aol.com (Tim Minear) stripped
> to the waist and cried out:
>>>>For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.<<
>>
>>Hunh. Me too. Weird.
>
> "Oooh, look! There's a really good episode that gets something done,
> and does it really rather well, and everybody's going to say that it
> was well done and satisfying and... hang on... if I miss the point
> entirely, behave as if I were watching a completely different show
> with a completely different take on life, and was led to believe other
> things entirely, then I'd be disappointed. So... maybe if I act
> disappointed, that will make me clever and in with the in crowd
> because they also miss the point and bash things pointlessly!"
Indeed. The cynic in me wonders whether (a) Hines is just bashing an
_Angel_ ep to show that he's not a mindless _Angel_ groupie, or (b) Hines
has already decided he's not going to like S3 as much as S2, because, you
know, they're *never* as good.
In reality, I think he was just pissed that he didn't predict which way
the story was going. :-P
> Going to pick a fight with Hines and Trombley now... [1]
I'm with the pikelet. If we're not back in a day or two, send a search
party.
Niall
--
Angels rush in where all those fools fear to tread.
Mattia Valente
>
> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Tim Minear wrote:
> >>>For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.<<
> >
> > Hunh. Me too. Weird.
>
> You don't say? :-)
That's so....weird.
Terry McNeal
<timothy...@hertford.ox.ac.uk.iss.me.not.with.spammy.lips> wrote:
>Sorry to everyone else, it's really not writer-flattery that I'm
>indulging in here. It's because ata is, frankly, a weird little place
Usenet is a weird little place. Why should ata be any different?
>where it's clever to be a cynic.
I'm not being clever, I really am a cynic.
>And sometimes it is, you know. But
>not to the exclusion of all that is good and entertaining about a
>show.
And it is possible that one might have issues with the way an episode
was presented even if one is the sole voice in a deafening crowd. It
doesn't mean one is trying to be clever, it just means one did not
appreciate the authorial intent. One does not even have to miss the
point in that instance.
See what I mean about not being clever?
Terry
Tim Minear
the man and like him a lot in person. Jane Espenson and I were guests at
Dragoncon coupla years back and David was terribly hospitable -- I'd break
bread with him again in a nano second.)
I think he does a nice job with his reviews and it's always satisfying to see
anyone taking the show seriously enough to spend time writing about it.
And I like the fact that he can loathe and detest something -- sort of
validates his past praise, if you get what I'm saying. In terms of his
integrity, I mean.
It also kind of invalidates it at the same time, since I feel like he could
have ripped into any of the past eps that he *liked* just as easily.
Especially since he's comparing me to me and saying that "Minear does this" and
"Minear does that, and based on what Minear does, this is all wrong." Uh,
okay. Being, well, Minear, hard for me to see it, exactly. Seems to me the
ep he's loathing is pretty much just another "Minear" ep. Kinda like the ones
he liked were, too.
After about fifty hours of television that I've written, it's kinda me just
doing what I do.
Think I'll just keep doing that.
pikelet
<remove.thi...@hotmail.com> stripped to the waist and cried
out:
>On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:35:10 +0000, pikelet
><timothy...@hertford.ox.ac.uk.iss.me.not.with.spammy.lips> wrote:
>
>>Sorry to everyone else, it's really not writer-flattery that I'm
>>indulging in here. It's because ata is, frankly, a weird little place
>
>Usenet is a weird little place. Why should ata be any different?
Good point :)
>>where it's clever to be a cynic.
>
>I'm not being clever, I really am a cynic.
>
>>And sometimes it is, you know. But
>>not to the exclusion of all that is good and entertaining about a
>>show.
>
>And it is possible that one might have issues with the way an episode
>was presented even if one is the sole voice in a deafening crowd. It
>doesn't mean one is trying to be clever, it just means one did not
>appreciate the authorial intent. One does not even have to miss the
>point in that instance.
Well, okay. Having reread the original post it was, well, more than
slightly flame-baity. And quite probably something that I should
regret, too.
I think my point would have been better made if said with fewer words
- ata tends to be a bit confrontational for my tastes, on occasion.
That's not all the time, and that's certainly not all the posters. Not
even a majority of either, just... well, on occasion.
David Hines' review is not something I have a problem with per se. In
the past, I've agreed with him more than I have disagreed, albeit with
a few caveats (is there any other way?). I do think that there are
some things he hasn't quite appreciated as I have, however - whether
that's to do with our having different ways of looking at TV or the
fact that the production didn't quite bring out all the messages to
all people, is a moot point. So don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing
individuals here at all - especially not Hines. Nor, indeed Sarah T
who I mentioned in a different post. They're just prolific, so their
names got mentioned.
And, okay, so I lied about the 'using fewer words' bit. I'm agreeing
with you, if that's gotten lost anywhere in all this ramble. And I had
a point somewhere around here...
Ah, yes. I think ata just tends to be a slightly louder place, with
some voices dissenting at various aspects of plot or direction or
writing or whatever. God knows I've cringed at many an aspect of
'Angel' myself. And though most of those who may have a beef with a
specific aspect of the show (like, say, Sarah T or David Hines) will
go to lengths to explain their reactions, there are some who, well,
don't. Discussion, as they indulge in, is good. But it's a side-effect
of a higher-volume group that you'll get the odd randomly unjustified
view.
And again with the still talking when should be shutting up thing
here, but I think it comes down to the fact that I prefer somewhat
quieter groups. The volume of postage in ata puts me off a little, and
it's easy to lose track of a discussion and then pick it up later
without being quite able to see how it's gotten there. In other words,
it's not ata, it's me. :)
>See what I mean about not being clever?
Point taken, original post rather too flame-bait-y, apologies offered
to any offended parties.
Tim.
pikelet
to the waist and cried out:
>And I like the fact that he can loathe and detest something -- sort of
>validates his past praise, if you get what I'm saying. In terms of his
>integrity, I mean.
That's a point I wish I could have made. At some point.
>After about fifty hours of television that I've written, it's kinda me just
>doing what I do.
>
>Think I'll just keep doing that.
Oh, please do :)
Tim.
Mattia Valente
> Well, well. I have to say here that I do admire Hines' reviews.
Agreed. Well, his 'Angel' reviews, anyway. I've got an odd
'relationship' with his Buffy S5 reviews (has something to do with what
I percieve as an odd form of imbalance; excessive bashing relative to
his 'Angel' reviews. Then again, I loved Buffy S5 and Angel S2, whilst
he, well, didn't seem to do the same..)
> (And I've met
> the man and like him a lot in person. Jane Espenson and I were guests at
> Dragoncon coupla years back and David was terribly hospitable -- I'd break
> bread with him again in a nano second.)
:-)
> I think he does a nice job with his reviews and it's always satisfying to see
> anyone taking the show seriously enough to spend time writing about it.
Whatever else one may say of his reviews, they're an interesting read.
Doesn't mean I agree with him ;-)
> And I like the fact that he can loathe and detest something -- sort of
> validates his past praise, if you get what I'm saying. In terms of his
> integrity, I mean.
True. Accusing Hines of liking something out of principle, or because it
was written by X or Y is quite unfathomable. He's never been anything if
not thought provoking.
> It also kind of invalidates it at the same time, since I feel like he could
> have ripped into any of the past eps that he *liked* just as easily.
This is -more or less- what I referred to above; in this case, it's
imbalance of 'Angel' vs. 'Angel' which is a good bit odder. Having said
this, I've never actually gotten into a real discussion with him about
it, although his reviews have been the topic of many a rambling little
thread here. Apparently I have Hines Issues[tm] <shrugs> If only I had
the time and energy to properly read ata....
> Especially since he's comparing me to me and saying that "Minear does this" and
> "Minear does that, and based on what Minear does, this is all wrong." Uh,
> okay. Being, well, Minear, hard for me to see it, exactly. Seems to me the
> ep he's loathing is pretty much just another "Minear" ep. Kinda like the ones
> he liked were, too.
Heh.
> After about fifty hours of television that I've written, it's kinda me just
> doing what I do.
>
> Think I'll just keep doing that.
I don't think we mind...
Steve Farrell
somebody called pikelet made the following views known to all at
uk.media.tv.angel:
>On 27 Nov 2001 03:54:18 GMT, timm...@aol.com (Tim Minear) stripped
>to the waist and cried out:
>
>>>>For the first time, I think he's just Wrong about most things.<<
>>
>>Hunh. Me too. Weird.
>
>"Oooh, look! There's a really good episode that gets something done,
>and does it really rather well, and everybody's going to say that it
>was well done and satisfying and... hang on... if I miss the point
>entirely, behave as if I were watching a completely different show
>with a completely different take on life, and was led to believe other
>things entirely, then I'd be disappointed. So... maybe if I act
>disappointed, that will make me clever and in with the in crowd
>because they also miss the point and bash things pointlessly!"
And in one single paragraph, the man accurately describes the attitude on
both alt. groups.
Even the Buffy musical episode didn't escape from the rampant cynicism.
Niall Harrison
> I think my point would have been better made if said with fewer words
> - ata tends to be a bit confrontational for my tastes, on occasion.
> That's not all the time, and that's certainly not all the posters. Not
> even a majority of either, just... well, on occasion.
I think that's exactly it. There's a touch too much statement of opinion
as fact, I find; statements like 'it was bad because x,y and z', rather
than 'I thought it was bad because x,y, and z'. That's all to easy to do
- I've done it several times myself, and have (rightly) been called on it,
because it's not particularly helpful and can lead to the unfortunate
impression that you regard anyone who doesn't agree with x, y and z as a
bit dim.
Having said all that, I appreciate the alt group. The standard of
discussion there is extremely high, it's just that the atmosphere is so
different to, say, here, that I can't resist the opportunity to poke fun
at it every so often.
pikelet
<s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
Yeah, what he said.
(I'm beginning to spot a pattern in my posts this evening...)
Tim.
Mattia Valente
Shocking....pattern? From you? What's next, I ask you? What???
Seriously, though, there is wisdom in your words. Be glad you didn't get
killfiled by people for yer rant <sorry, 'inside' joke, it's funny if
you're me...>
Terry McNeal
<timothy...@hertford.ox.ac.uk.iss.me.not.with.spammy.lips> wrote:
...a whole bunch of stuff I'm deleting.
>Point taken, original post rather too flame-bait-y, apologies offered
>to any offended parties.
Accepted in the spirit it was offered, but I think it was late and I
was being overly sensitive. Virtual handshake? I mean, if we can agree
to skip the chorus of "Kumbaya"?
Terry
Mattia Valente
>
> ga...@modelford.com (Gary Chapman) on 27 Nov 2001 06:59:58 -0800 in
> uk.media.tv.angel said:
>
> >steve....@falsebit.lineone.net (Steve Farrell) wrote in message news:<Xns9165ADFB67D7Dst...@62.172.195.196>...
> >> At some point in the past (Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:14:18 GMT, as it happens),
> >> somebody called Gary Chapman made the following views known to all at
> >> uk.media.tv.angel:
> >>
> >> >Spoiler space - Episode 3.09
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> >Last post on this for now. Got to be good and not post about S3 until
> >Sky air em.
>
> then it can be posted away.
>
> Despite the fact that after next weeks episode (3x10, Dad) there is
> the customary 6ish week break in the US so by the time Sky start
> showing the episodes will be returning on US tv.
There is no ep next week, I don't think. Ep 10 is on the, well, 10th,
last I heard. Then there's one in January, then late Feb/March, nada in
April, then the last batch in May. Rerun hells suck..
Mattia Valente
No. You must sing Kumbaya. It is required.
Sieue
"Niall Harrison" <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:9u34pe$ps7$4...@news.ox.ac.uk...
> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - pikelet wrote:
>
> Having said all that, I appreciate the alt group. The standard of
> discussion there is extremely high, it's just that the atmosphere is so
> different to, say, here, that I can't resist the opportunity to poke fun
> at it every so often.
Are you saying that the standard of discussion here isn't very high? Are
you? Huh?
Are you saying we are a bit dim and frivolous and all we can do is off topic
banter? Is that right, Mr Harrison? Is it? Huh?
I'll have you know my body glitter posts took ages to construct - erm right,
hang on, I see your point. *ahem*
Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
Sieue
--
gah
Niall Harrison
> Are you saying we are a bit dim and frivolous and all we can do is off topic
> banter? Is that right, Mr Harrison? Is it? Huh?
Not at all. I'm just saying we do it so much better than they do. :-)
> Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
> Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
Niall
--
So fill your heart with abandon
And drink in the golden air.
Niall Harrison
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:57:57 +0000, pikelet
>> <timothy...@hertford.ox.ac.uk.iss.me.not.with.spammy.lips> wrote:
>>
>> ...a whole bunch of stuff I'm deleting.
>>
>> >Point taken, original post rather too flame-bait-y, apologies offered
>> >to any offended parties.
>>
>> Accepted in the spirit it was offered, but I think it was late and I
>> was being overly sensitive. Virtual handshake? I mean, if we can agree
>> to skip the chorus of "Kumbaya"?
>
> No. You must sing Kumbaya. It is required.
#Kumbaya my lord, Kumbay-
Whaddya mean, 'not you'?
Niall
--
I watched the stars crash in the sea.
Niall Harrison
> ga...@modelford.com (Gary Chapman) on 27 Nov 2001 06:59:58 -0800 in
> uk.media.tv.angel said:
>>> At some point in the past (Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:14:18 GMT, as it happens),
>>> somebody called Gary Chapman made the following views known to all at
>>> uk.media.tv.angel:
>>>
>>> >Spoiler space - Episode 3.09
>>> >>
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>>Last post on this for now. Got to be good and not post about S3 until
>>Sky air em.
>
> then it can be posted away.
It can, but quite a few of us are trying to save our thoughts for when the
eps air on sky. Don't want to have to repeat ourselves, you see. :-)
Niall
--
No more worries and doubt, the good will come out.
Mattia Valente
> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Sieue wrote:
> > Are you saying we are a bit dim and frivolous and all we can do is off topic
> > banter? Is that right, Mr Harrison? Is it? Huh?
>
> Not at all. I'm just saying we do it so much better than they do. :-)
Obviously. What with all the practice. And the uniquely european (OK,
british, then. I'll be the odd one out, not having a clear cultural
identity) sense of humor.
> > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
> > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
>
> Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
They're not very well hidden...
Mattia Valente
Remember that thing I said about 'vocal chords' and 'singing'?
Forget I said that. Now.
Mattia Valente
Because, like, that never happened last year. You know, with season 2?
Each ep got discussed just the once time, and properly at that.
<g,d+r>
Sieue
> Niall Harrison wrote:
> > Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Sieue wrote:
> > > Are you saying we are a bit dim and frivolous and all we can do is off topic
> > > banter? Is that right, Mr Harrison? Is it? Huh?
> >
> > Not at all. I'm just saying we do it so much better than they do. :-)
>
> Obviously. What with all the practice. And the uniquely european (OK,
> british, then. I'll be the odd one out, not having a clear cultural
> identity) sense of humor.
Heh, they don't do it at all, and when they do there begins a massive
flame war. I like UMTA - nice, firendly and doesn't take itself too
seriously, and when it does, we thwap the person or perons involved.
>
> > > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
> > > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
> >
> > Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
>
> They're not very well hidden...
Especially when someone provides a link on IRC
Sieue
Mattia Valente
>
> In article <3C082FC2...@std.vu.nl>, mae.v...@std.vu.nl says...
> > Niall Harrison wrote:
> > > Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Sieue wrote:
> > > > Are you saying we are a bit dim and frivolous and all we can do is off topic
> > > > banter? Is that right, Mr Harrison? Is it? Huh?
> > >
> > > Not at all. I'm just saying we do it so much better than they do. :-)
> >
> > Obviously. What with all the practice. And the uniquely european (OK,
> > british, then. I'll be the odd one out, not having a clear cultural
> > identity) sense of humor.
>
> Heh, they don't do it at all, and when they do there begins a massive
> flame war.
That's so lame. OT banter is half the fun of usenet.
> I like UMTA - nice, firendly and doesn't take itself too
> seriously, and when it does, we thwap the person or perons involved.
Yep. Bitchsticks for all. Some of the most memorable posts and quotes
ever have come from off topic rambles. I just can't remember (m)any of
them.
> > > > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
> > > > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
> > >
> > > Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
> >
> > They're not very well hidden...
>
> Especially when someone provides a link on IRC
What, you mean you don't have Niall's site bookmarked? Even if it's only
for the Tim Minear Posts Archive..
Sieue
> Sieue wrote:
> >
> > In article <3C082FC2...@std.vu.nl>, mae.v...@std.vu.nl says...
> > > Niall Harrison wrote:
> > > > Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Sieue wrote:
> > > > > Are you saying we are a bit dim and frivolous and all we can do is off topic
> > > > > banter? Is that right, Mr Harrison? Is it? Huh?
> > > >
> > > > Not at all. I'm just saying we do it so much better than they do. :-)
> > >
> > > Obviously. What with all the practice. And the uniquely european (OK,
> > > british, then. I'll be the odd one out, not having a clear cultural
> > > identity) sense of humor.
> >
> > Heh, they don't do it at all, and when they do there begins a massive
> > flame war.
>
> That's so lame. OT banter is half the fun of usenet.
>
> > I like UMTA - nice, firendly and doesn't take itself too
> > seriously, and when it does, we thwap the person or perons involved.
>
> Yep. Bitchsticks for all. Some of the most memorable posts and quotes
> ever have come from off topic rambles. I just can't remember (m)any of
> them.
Hey we have the Camp thread, the whole BB season, several bouts of
painful boreanazitis - see we can do sort of ontopic - its all in the
theme, its just not very serious. Except BB which was vital.
>
> > > > > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
> > > > > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
> > > >
> > > > Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
> > >
> > > They're not very well hidden...
> >
> > Especially when someone provides a link on IRC
>
> What, you mean you don't have Niall's site bookmarked? Even if it's only
> for the Tim Minear Posts Archive..
Well actually <hangs head in shame> I have an UMTA folder in my
bookmarks where Niall and Mr Thipp both live. Also, perversely, I don't
have ABE bookmarked as i know that site address off by heart.
I worry about me.
Sieue
Mattia Valente
> In article <3C08C2D2...@std.vu.nl>, mae.v...@std.vu.nl says...
> > Sieue wrote:
> > Yep. Bitchsticks for all. Some of the most memorable posts and quotes
> > ever have come from off topic rambles. I just can't remember (m)any of
> > them.
>
> Hey we have the Camp thread, the whole BB season, several bouts of
> painful boreanazitis - see we can do sort of ontopic - its all in the
> theme, its just not very serious. Except BB which was vital.
Mais of course!
> > > > > Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
> > > >
> > > > They're not very well hidden...
> > >
> > > Especially when someone provides a link on IRC
> >
> > What, you mean you don't have Niall's site bookmarked? Even if it's only
> > for the Tim Minear Posts Archive..
>
> Well actually <hangs head in shame> I have an UMTA folder in my
> bookmarks where Niall and Mr Thipp both live. Also, perversely, I don't
> have ABE bookmarked as i know that site address off by heart.
>
> I worry about me.
Well, I wouldn't. If you memorized the ACTUAL abe addy instead of the
simple bite.to/abe (oh how vampiric..) redirect, then I'd start to be
worried. Niall has some complicated URL that I haven't even bothered to
TRY to commit to memory. That's what bookmarks and/or google is for
Niall Harrison
>> > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
>> > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
>>
>> Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
>
> They're not very well hidden...
They're hidden in plain sight, which is by far the best way to do it, I
find.
Niall
--
Rockin' the suburbs.
Niall Harrison
> Niall has some complicated URL that I haven't even bothered to
> TRY to commit to memory.
How is http://tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk/~sax/ particularly complicated,
exactly? Computer name, followed by my IRC nick. Couldn't be simpler.
:-)
Niall
--
Burn baby burn.
Niall Harrison
>> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Tafka wrote:
>> > ga...@modelford.com (Gary Chapman) on 27 Nov 2001 06:59:58 -0800 in
>> > uk.media.tv.angel said:
>> >>steve....@falsebit.lineone.net (Steve Farrell) wrote in message news:<Xns9165ADFB67D7Dst...@62.172.195.196>...
>> >>> At some point in the past (Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:14:18 GMT, as it happens),
>> >>> somebody called Gary Chapman made the following views known to all at
>> >>> uk.media.tv.angel:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Spoiler space - Episode 3.09
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
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>> >>Last post on this for now. Got to be good and not post about S3 until
>> >>Sky air em.
>> >
>> > Er, why? If there's spoiler space in place which show it's a S3 post
>> > then it can be posted away.
>>
>> It can, but quite a few of us are trying to save our thoughts for when the
>> eps air on sky. Don't want to have to repeat ourselves, you see. :-)
>
> Because, like, that never happened last year. You know, with season 2?
OK, I'll rephrase: Don't want to have to repeat ourselves until we know
the maximum possible number of people are watching. :-)
pikelet
<s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
Sort of like 'The Purloined Review'.
Tim.
Mattia Valente
Uhuh. Sure.
Loon.
Niall Harrison
*woosh*
Niall
P.S. Tim's started doing it with his reviews, too, you know. Only, he
hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
--
Just whack whack.
Niall Harrison
> Niall Harrison wrote:
>>
>> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
>>
>> > Niall has some complicated URL that I haven't even bothered to
>> > TRY to commit to memory.
>>
>> How is http://tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk/~sax/ particularly complicated,
>> exactly? Computer name, followed by my IRC nick. Couldn't be simpler.
>> :-)
>
> Uhuh. Sure.
Look:
Computer called tirian, in magdalen college in oxford university. How
hard is that?
Bah.
Niall
--
When memes collide.
pikelet
<s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
>Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - pikelet wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:43:50 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
>> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
>
>>>Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
>>>> Niall Harrison wrote:
>>>
>>>>> > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
>>>>> > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
>>>>
>>>> They're not very well hidden...
>>>
>>>They're hidden in plain sight, which is by far the best way to do it, I
>>>find.
>>
>> Sort of like 'The Purloined Review'.
>
>*woosh*
Isn't it Edgar Allen Poe who wrote 'The Purloined Letter'? Anyway,
whoever it was, it turns out that the letter was hidden in a letter
rack all along and thus - hidden in plain sight.
>P.S. Tim's started doing it with his reviews, too, you know. Only, he
>hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
Piss off, monkey boy.
Tim.
Mattia Valente
>
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
>
> >Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - pikelet wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:43:50 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
> >> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
> >
> >>>Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
> >>>> Niall Harrison wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> > Just wait till Season 3, I may get all anal and start writing reviews now.
> >>>>> > Pardon Mattia? What? Niall has already done that? Oooops. *ahem*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey, you're not supposed to know about those!
> >>>>
> >>>> They're not very well hidden...
> >>>
> >>>They're hidden in plain sight, which is by far the best way to do it, I
> >>>find.
> >>
> >> Sort of like 'The Purloined Review'.
> >
> >*woosh*
>
> Isn't it Edgar Allen Poe who wrote 'The Purloined Letter'? Anyway,
> whoever it was, it turns out that the letter was hidden in a letter
> rack all along and thus - hidden in plain sight.
Um, possibly.
> >P.S. Tim's started doing it with his reviews, too, you know. Only, he
> >hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
>
> Piss off, monkey boy.
He's just unwilling to admit he's incredibly dorky that way...and you?
You're just jealous.
;-P
Niall Harrison
> pikelet wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
>> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
>>
>> >hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
>>
>> Piss off, monkey boy.
>
> He's just unwilling to admit he's incredibly dorky that way...and you?
> You're just jealous.
Damn right I'm jealous - have you seen the *size* of his wibblings? :-P
Niall
--
Do my eyes seem empty?
I've forgotten how this feels.
Mattia Valente
>
> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
> > pikelet wrote:
> >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
> >> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
> >>
> >> >P.S. Tim's started doing it with his reviews, too, you know. Only, he
> >> >hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
> >>
> >> Piss off, monkey boy.
> >
> > He's just unwilling to admit he's incredibly dorky that way...and you?
> > You're just jealous.
>
> Damn right I'm jealous - have you seen the *size* of his wibblings? :-P
Hehehe...
Well, I'm worried about me. My 'Random Assorted Thoughs Time' posts in
abe, basically a write-up-without-thinking-too-hard kind of thing, are
long. I fear me proper 'reviews'.
Niall Harrison
> Niall Harrison wrote:
>>
>> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
>> > pikelet wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
>> >> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
>> >>
>> >> >P.S. Tim's started doing it with his reviews, too, you know. Only, he
>> >> >hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
>> >>
>> >> Piss off, monkey boy.
>> >
>> > He's just unwilling to admit he's incredibly dorky that way...and you?
>> > You're just jealous.
>>
>> Damn right I'm jealous - have you seen the *size* of his wibblings?
>> :-P
>
> Hehehe...
>
> Well, I'm worried about me. My 'Random Assorted Thoughs Time' posts in
> abe, basically a write-up-without-thinking-too-hard kind of thing, are
> long.
And archived on the web?
> I fear me proper 'reviews'.
Between you and Tim, I'm going to develop a serious inferiority complex...
Niall
--
Walking barefoot along the sand
I hadn't planned to stay.
Mattia Valente
>
> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
> > Niall Harrison wrote:
> >>
> >> Previously, on uk.media.tv.angel - Mattia Valente wrote:
> >> > pikelet wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC), Niall Harrison
> >> >> <s...@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> stripped to the waist and cried out:
> >> >>
> >> >> >P.S. Tim's started doing it with his reviews, too, you know. Only, he
> >> >> >hasn't done any S3 ones, 'cause he sucks. :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Piss off, monkey boy.
> >> >
> >> > He's just unwilling to admit he's incredibly dorky that way...and you?
> >> > You're just jealous.
> >>
> >> Damn right I'm jealous - have you seen the *size* of his wibblings?
> >> :-P
> >
> > Hehehe...
> >
> > Well, I'm worried about me. My 'Random Assorted Thoughs Time' posts in
> > abe, basically a write-up-without-thinking-too-hard kind of thing, are
> > long.
>
> And archived on the web?
Well, no. They're far too shite for that. And riddled with typos and
hideously cerebral cortex assaulting grammatical usage from time to
time. Or you could seach google groups. But I wouldn't bother. I've much
revised some of my views. Others have remained mostly unchanged.
> > I fear me proper 'reviews'.
>
> Between you and Tim, I'm going to develop a serious inferiority complex...
Nah, don't. At least yours can be read easily and contain acutally good
points. Parts of mine do. The rest? I'll have to let you (by which I
mean you, Niall...oh, and these other reading people) be the judge of
that.
Soon, Niall, soon...