Why negroes aren't champion swimmers
Gunther Hatherer
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> I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> that they do not float well in the water. Can
> someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
Dicks too big, brains too small. Like they say "buoys
will be buoys"!
--
James G. Acker
: Jason Williams <supe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
: article <70km3g$8oe$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
:
: > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
: > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
: > that they do not float well in the water. Can
: > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
It's not true.
Enith Brigitha, Chris Silva, Antony Nesty, Byron Davis, Sabir
Muhammad and Michael Norment proved that it's not true.
The lower numbers of black swimmers at the world-class level
(compared to other sports) are primarily due to economics -- both the
availability of training facilities and the economic incentives of
professional sports.
Jim Acker
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anita jamar
Gunther Hatherer wrote:
> Jason Williams <supe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> article <70km3g$8oe$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
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> > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> > that they do not float well in the water.
This is perhaps the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard! Can you
REALLY believe this "theory"? If "Nergoes" don't float as well in water,
they must all drown in the bathtub, right? I ask you why are the best
swimmers from China, Russia, and the US? Could it be that more people
have in interest in it there than in other places?
> Can
> > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
> No bud, this theory isn't true. People aren't more bouyant
> than others based on race, but body fat. Besides swimming has to do
> with development/useage of muscle and not fat. Since swimmers are more
> musclar than the average person and muscle weighs more than fat,
> according to your logic, swimmers should sink along w/ "Negroes".
> Correct?! Answer this question for me; why aren't Australians and
> South Africans, Mensa people, and whatever other group of people you
> cross posted to good swimmers? Why just "Negroes"? Could it be that
> maybe they aren't interested, don't have the skills, or didn't groe up
> in a community where swimming was a major activity/sport? To be
> honest, I can't believe that you had the nerve to post this to the
> Mensa ng of all places. What are you expecting, scientific
> confirmation? A little common sense will serve you better in the
> future! Especially before you post a stupid question like this.
>
> Dicks too big, brains too small. Like they say "buoys
> will be buoys"!
> As for you Gunter, "NEGROES", HaHaHa, that sounds soo old
> fashioned! Anyway, since when is swimming an indicator of
> intellegence? Oh, please! The best swimmers of the past have been
> Eastern Europeans. Many of them have been caught/suspected of drug
> taking. Have they ever been accused of being brain trusts?!
> Whatever....
> -- As for this "dick" issue, that sounds like a PERSONAL
> problem to me. Don't blame others for your "short commings"! Besides
> since most women believe that that's where men keep their brains
> anyway, so MAYBE size (penis, that is) IS relative to brain size. Your
> lacking of both is evidenced by this moronic post!
Anita
Gunther Hatherer
> Racist.
Hong Kong, racist? don't believe you or we'd
hear about it from HK's NAACP, wouldn't we?
--
Mr.Edwards
Gunther Hatherer wrote in message <01bdfcfa$e6dcde60$LocalHost@default>...
> Jason Williams <supe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
>> the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
>> someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
>
>will be buoys"!
>
Hmmm.
Well, as a 'negro' (a term not often used in the UK, percieved as
derogatory) I can confirm that I can't float.
My son who is Anglo-African Caribbean, similarly can not float.
The theory I have heard applied here relates to bone density. It seems to
be borne out by the fact that when comparing the wieght of a white person of
similar hieght and build as myself, I weigh a full stone more!
Applying this to the act of swimming, I would need to expend energy simply
keeping afloat in addition to propelling myself forward. This is by no
means impossible, but something of a disadvantage.
This, I'm sure is not a universal fact but one that is not to hard to
believe when one considers other more visible anatomical differences such as
our tight curly hair and high levels of pigment in our skin.
Sid
Joe
anita jamar <jam...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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> Gunther Hatherer wrote:
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> > Jason Williams <supe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > article <70km3g$8oe$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
> >
> > > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> > > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> > > that they do not float well in the water.
>
> This is perhaps the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard! Can you
> REALLY believe this "theory"? If "Nergoes" don't float as well in water,
> they must all drown in the bathtub, right? I ask you why are the best
> swimmers from China, Russia, and the US? Could it be that more people
> have in interest in it there than in other places?
>
> > Can
> > > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
> >
> Anita
Actually there ARE physiological differences between the races. This is a
fact that was well know up until about the 70s when it started to become
non-PC to say such things.
There were studies done on skulls for example that showed that on average,
people of Negroid descent have thicker skulls and more fluid between the
cranial case and the brain than caucasians.
This is the reason that black people are better boxers for example, since a
punch to the head renders one uncounscious by making the brain make contact
with the cranial case. More fluid between the brain and the cranium means
the brain is more effectively 'ballasted' in black people (in general).
On the other hand, it seems that the muscle reflex present in the abdominal
area is less developed in the negroid race than in the caucasian (again, on
average), as a result, generally, black people can take a blow to the
stomach somewhat less efficiently than whites, however, since the most
vulnerable area in boxing is ultimately your motor function generator (your
brain) overall, blacks do better at this sport.
I am not sure about the swimming issue (as to reason) but it remains a fact
which I have personal experience with (I used to swim competitevely at
national level in the UK when I was studying there). My personal opinion is
that it's probably a combination of factors. In general, a black person of
equal stature and weight to a white person will tend to have less body fat
and heavier bones. It may be that the heavier skeleton would cause somewhat
of a drop in efficiency, but this alone probably wouldn't be the 'thing'
that does it alone.
I think that the sense of rythm is perhaps not what black people are used
to. Swimming has (at competitive level especially) a very fast rythm
involving rather complex movements. While genrally black persons tend (in
my experience) to have a superior rythm in most instances, it has been my
observation that while they perform better at rythmical tasks of a certain
nature (dance for example) high-speed-techcnical rythms are somewhat more
difficult to instill in a black person than a white one. I am not sure as
to the reason for this.
In any event, physiological differences between the races are a fact, and
pretending none exist is dishonest. Using these differences to purport a
race's 'superiority' over another is similarly dishonest (as well as
fundamentally unjust, since we all have the same right to be here, you, me,
and the roaches taking over my kitchen).
I believe the study of human genetics from a historical point of view is
very important and should not be brushed under the carpet for the sake of
PC-science.
For example, there are more differences between certain races of humans
that there are between certain breeds of dogs that fall under different
family branchings, why then are humans not similarly classified? Because we
wouldn't want to offend anyone. This is sheer idiocy and of the same
scientific validity as saying the Earth is flat or that the Sun goes round
the Earth.
Face the fact: WE ARE DIFFERENT
Also, face the more important fact: Even if one race WAS intrinsically
'superior' to another (how would you measure it?!?!) this sayis NOTHING
about the intrinsic value of one over the other. The process of measuring
things next to each other has been given artificial value by humans.
Essentially, there is no difference in worth between any one of us and a
maggot, dung beetle, or rat.
Furthermore, given that each human being, regardless of race is completely
unique, comparisons can only be realtive by default and thus of no
intrinsic, fundamental 'value'.
Having said that, let's not pretend differences don't exist. They do. they
may have some curiosity value, perhaps even some medical value. If so let's
find out, but other than that, so what?
Personally I find the concept that 'we're all equal' is completely false
and distasteful. For example, it's obvious to me I'm much BETTER than all
of you! :-)
Regards,
Joe
Jason Williams
I am not a racist OK!!!
Darien Hager wrote in message <70ku4h$g0r$1...@m5.att.net.hk>...
>Racist.
>
>
BAYCITVIDGRP
<hager(REMOVETHIS)@intelligencia.com> writes:
>
>Racist.
>
>
q No...just not factual in history.
But it is true in all sports. Why
no more white guys going out for pro football
as in the past? Why no more white guys going
out for basketball as in the past?
Now Golf is equalized. The head man
is an African/Asian/American. I love
it.
The Asian part being so highly skilled.
That shakes a lot of Jerk-offs off.
Having lived in Hawaii for so long it
just sings a different song than those who
] have not...LOCAL BOY makes good. Has differnt
connotes when liv'm in da kine.
True...very few African/Americans in the sport.
I remember the swim team I was on and we had
a big African/American diver...he took three
years worth of titles.
And by the way: could he swim.
isn't there an upcoming swimmer from South
America who is black...? or South Africa?
maybe he will be a role model for the
next generation of negroe swimmers as you
claim...to be their names....
Tiger Woods broke the mold. So why not
someone else in swimming.
How come there are so few African/American
water polo players in the pools ?
I don't know.
bill conduit
etc.
Tagati
soc.culture.south-africa.
Tugs
Joe <russ...@iafrica.com> wrote in article
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S Singh Sandhu
Gunther Hatherer wrote in message <01bdfcfa$e6dcde60$LocalHost@default>...
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>> the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
>> someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
>
Darien Hager
Jason Williams wrote in message
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I was referring to the below comment
Darien Hager
sudden (and all this stuff seems to have been crossposted an awful lot) and
I thought that this:
>Dicks too big, brains too small. Like they say "buoys
>will be buoys"!
Was a racist comment/insult. I was referring to the originator of the
comment. I appear not to be getting some of the posts from the other groups
(I am at rec.org.mensa) and am confused at the different replies.
>Hong Kong, racist? don't believe you or we'd
>hear about it from HK's NAACP, wouldn't we?
Could you clarify this statement?
Darien Hager
---
Hong Kong, Racist? (Is HK racist?)
I don't believe you or we'd hear from the HK NAACP.
---
(I was referring to the small-brain-big-dick comment.)
Jonathan
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> anita jamar <jam...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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> > Gunther Hatherer wrote:
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> > > article <70km3g$8oe$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
> > >
> > > > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> > > > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> > > > that they do not float well in the water.
> >
> > REALLY believe this "theory"? If "Nergoes" don't float as well in water,
> > they must all drown in the bathtub, right? I ask you why are the best
> > swimmers from China, Russia, and the US? Could it be that more people
> > have in interest in it there than in other places?
> >
> > > > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
> > >
Absolutely amazing and sad that some of these beliefs are still around.
Please see Stephen Jay Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man" (W. W. Norton,
New York, 1996) for an update on the above "facts".
Jonathan
Hjalmar Gerber
> Now Golf is equalized. The head man
> is an African/Asian/American. I love it.
Uh, last time I checked, the most successful golfer of 1998
is a dumpy-looking American of Irish descent. :-)
The recent World Cup of Golf confirmed this.
Hjalmar
________
Matthew Malthouse
"Joe" <russ...@iafrica.com> wrote:
} I am not sure about the swimming issue (as to reason) but it remains a
fact
} which I have personal experience with (I used to swim competitevely at
} national level in the UK when I was studying there).
A swimming coach & doctor specialising in sports injury once told me that
it had to do with a slight difference in the center of gravity that made
the most efficient postures in the water more difficult to acheive.
As someone else said this doesn't mean that such is always the case, simple
that it it more likely to be so.
Matthew
--
"Homo sum: humani nihil a me alienum puto"
http://www.calmeilles.demon.co.uk/index.html
Dennis Freeman-Wright
<ho...@sweet.home> writes
> Jason Williams <supe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>article <70km3g$8oe$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
>
>> I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
>> the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
>> someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
>
>will be buoys"!
>
Dear Jason
Disregarding the dick head who replied above, it as long been suggested
that negroes have heavier musculatur than caucasians hence do not float
well and make poor swimmers. However there is no scientific evidence
for this at all. The socio-economic evidence suggests it is simply a
cultural thing. For example female Indo-Asians in the UK within some
groups are not permitted to enter a swimming pool unless fully clothed.
Although Pool Managers arrange this it certainly is not condusive to
efficient swimming. Running and ball games are highly valued activities
in Africa and America and it will take many years before negro cultural
values will include good swimming as something to be attained. I
believe over the next 50 years will will start to see more and more
negroes in swimming competition.
Regards
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BAYCITVIDGRP
(Hjalmar Gerber) writes:
>
>In article <70lu4b$1...@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com>, my...@ix.netcom.co
says...
>
>> Now Golf is equalized. The head man
>> is an African/Asian/American. I love it.
>
> Uh, last time I checked, the most successful golfer of 1998
> is a dumpy-looking American of Irish descent. :-)
>
You snip too much and your brain gets
gassed.
I am speaking of TIGER WOODS.
He's a role model now ... about time.
and he knows his purpose is more than
just winning gold to spend in playing
golf...he knows he has a responsibility
to help others grow as he did, but not
as he did with the father he had.
BAYCITVIDGRP
<is...@swimming.org.uk> writes:
>
>>--
>Dear Jason
>
>Disregarding the dick head who replied above, it as long been
suggested
>that negroes have heavier musculatur than caucasians hence do not
float
>well and make poor swimmers. However there is no scientific evidence
>for this at all. The socio-economic evidence suggests it is simply a
>cultural thing. For example female Indo-Asians in the UK within some
>groups are not permitted to enter a swimming pool unless fully
clothed.
>Although Pool Managers arrange this it certainly is not condusive to
>efficient swimming. Running and ball games are highly valued
activities
>in Africa and America and it will take many years before negro
cultural
>values will include good swimming as something to be attained. I
>believe over the next 50 years will will start to see more and more
>negroes in swimming competition.
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>istc
>
Then why do all coaches tell all white
boys not to do any kind of muscular-adding
exercises to the legs and to leave the
muscles straightened and not bulked as
a football player would .....
why?
Blacks have well-defined muscular
meat on their legs which do add bulk
to their leg weight and might cause
their legs not to float as well...or
not...
I've seen both. Mostly sinking legs...
bill conduit
etc
the local Hawaiians same idea: those bruddah's
big legs...huge calves dese guys...plenny
thick...muscles just like rocks at play and
u get hit you know it...major pain playing
football wit dem guys....dey just take u
up in arms and deposit u ten yards back
from wheah u were going...
but these guys leg's sink too...
even in salt watah...on Waikiki beach.
dey good sufahs...plenny strong legs...
bill conduit
etc.
live in Honolulu long time brah
Jim Dawes
BAYCITVIDGRP wrote in message <70nnvb$o...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>...
Ding! Ding!
You tossers.
Jim D
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