Chart Commentary 6/4/13

[Paul Hyett]

Singles
-------
From absolutely nowhere, PJ & Duncan claim the #1 spot! :o

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Pink #2
Top 10 : Charlie Brown #7, Nelly #9,
Top 20 : Pitbull ft Christina #11
Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
Top 40 : Fall Out Boy (Ph) #36

Re-entries T40 : Rihanna (D) #35, Blackstreet #38, Dizzee (BJ) #40

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Ariana Grande #41,
Macklemore #46, Haim (Fall) #55, Mend #67

Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48, Wilry (CYHM) #63, Kesha (DY) #64, Aloe
Blacc #66, Alicia Keys (GOF) #69, Otto Knows #75


Albums
------
Justin Timberlake retains the #1 spot.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
Top 10 : Lumineers #8, Strokes #10
Top 20 : Eric Clapton #13, Peace #16, Simple Minds #19

New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Joe Bonamassa #23, Lil Wayne
#29, Iron Maiden #30, One Republic #35, Bonobo #48, Bobby Womack #52,
Macklemore #55, Edwyn Collins #66

Re-entries : Madness (Oui Oui...) #49, Tracy Chapman #64, Katy P (TD)
#68, Bob Marley (Legend) #69, Beyonce (4) #72, Michael Buble (CL) #74,
Of Monsters & Men #75


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Duke Dumont seems to be the song everyone is talking about.

Top 5 :
Top 10 : Will.I.Am/Bieber, Michael Buble
Top 20 :
Top 30 :
Top 40 : Ben Howard

There may be unexpected OA/OS releases, of course.

Albums
------
Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.

Top 5 : NKOTB
Top 10 : Imagine Dragons, Wiley
Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips

Others : Alkaline Trio, Bring Me The Horizon, Leann Rimes
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

[Chris Brown]

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> Singles
> -------
> From absolutely nowhere, PJ & Duncan claim the #1 spot! :o

At least to the extent that any Number One can come from nowhere in these
days of live iTunes charts and regular midweek updates: although of course
this being Easter weekend we didn't get the usual Friday updates so there
was some tension whether they'd make it to the very top by tonight, but they
did by a narrow margin of 4800 (per the OCC's Twitter account).
With the media attention this has been getting over the last week, the
background seems to go without saying, but for the record this was Ant Mc
Partlin and Declan Donnelly's third single as a duo, released under the
names of the characters they played in Byker Grove. It was their first major
hit, peaking at 9 in 1994, and their only Top 10 single in this guise,
though they had a better strike rate under their own names. A new career
chart peak was surely the last thing on their or anyone's minds when they
performed this song as a filler on the popular TV series Saturday Night
Takeaway eight days ago - if nothing else they might have remembered their
2009 attempt to chart off the back of the show with rival Team Ant and Team
Dec singles, neither of which broke the top 70. Still, the combination of
nostalgia and the desire for a bit of a laugh, plus of course the lack of
hot new competition, sees them outdo their 2002 World Cup song 'We're On The
Ball'.
If you don't like it, you can move to Scotland. The Saturdays are still
Number One there.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Pink #2

Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this generic
overproduced moanfest off the top. Also Number 2 in Scotland.

> Top 10 : Charlie Brown #7,

Good grief this song is dull. It reminds me a bit of Dappy's solo material,
although on the evidence of this evening's chart show he's a much more
likeable person, and somewhat easier on the eye too.
Apparently he was tipped as one to watch in 2010, and only three years later
he's in the chart.

> Nelly #9,

I hope he did get a car for this. At least that way somebody wins.

> Top 20 : Pitbull ft Christina #11

I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.

> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25

Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...

> Top 40 : Fall Out Boy (Ph) #36

You wait sixty years for a chart hit that samples Shostakovich's Seventh
symphony, and then two turn up within a year! In fact this enters the chart
exactly a year to the week after Plan B's 'Ill Manors' - although TBH I
didn't notice the sample at first on this, I was too distracted by the awful
lyric.
'The Phoenix' would have been a better title for their comeback single,
wouldn't it?

> Re-entries T40 : Rihanna (D) #35,

One of a few tracks gaining from its appearance on Now 84. The only surprise
is that it's not on 83.

>Blackstreet #38,

Nice to see a song that isn't an energy-sapping turgid sub-ballad re-enter,
for a change. Dr Dre has released one album since this originally charted in
1996.

>Dizzee (BJ) #40

Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the advertising
too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version there is the edit
that cuts all the drug references.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Ariana Grande #41,

Somebody from some American TV show. Unusually for such an act, the single
was released barely a week after it came out in her native land (where it
topped the iTunes chart for several days).

> Macklemore #46,

Their second single, which I haven't yet heard.

>Haim (Fall) #55,

I have heard this but it's not very memorable. The physical and download
bundles are out this week.

>Mend #67

This week's Britain's Got Talent reject boyband. However, they are not
signed to a record label owned by a multi-millionaire from a popular reality
TV format, or indeed anyone beyond themselves.

> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,

Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it close to
catching up on sales?

>Wilry (CYHM) #63,

Wilry?
I know he leaked his album this week. Maybe people weren't impressed by the
non-single tracks.

> Kesha (DY) #64,

I presume radio stations are going back to this now her follow-up single has
failed.

>Aloe Blacc #66,

This has definitely recharted more often than any of his other songs.

> Alicia Keys (GOF) #69,

I presume radio stations are going back to this now her follow-up single has
failed.
Either that or there's a new Blackberry advert on the telly.

> Otto Knows #75

Apparently now cheap enough for some people.

> Albums
> ------
> Justin Timberlake retains the #1 spot.

Not particularly surprising. What is surprising is that the sales figures
have already been posted, so we know he sold about half as much as last
week.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2

Their thirteenth studio album, which I think is unlucky enough to be their
first without a UK Top 40 single. it's also their first album for Columbia
records, although it apparently still has the logo of their former label
Mute at the band's insistence. From what I've heard it's one of their slower
albums and doesn't have a lot of guitars on it. It was mixed - though not
produced - by Flood, their first collaboration with him for 20 years.
The deluxe version adds a bonus disc of four tracks, one of which was the
B-side of the 'Heaven' single (so no wonder it didn't sell much?) and a
28-page photo booklet so you can admire Dave Gahan's new beard.

> Top 10 : Lumineers #8,

Is that really a new peak? FFS!!

>Strokes #10

Released almost exactly two years after Angles: I hadn't actually noticed it
was that long, which might have something to do with the ageing process but
it also seems like there's a lot less anticipation about their albums these
days.
Anyway, Comedown Machine is their fifth studio album, and unlike their
previous set all the members recorded it in the same studio at the same
time.
The cover is a pastiche of an old RCA tape box, which probably works better
over there where it's released on that label.

> Top 20 : Eric Clapton #13,

An album that's disappointed many of his fans, although he arguably gave
them fair warning by calling the album Old Sock and making little effort on
the cover. The album features a lot of guest stars, including Chaka Khan,
Steve Winwood, Paul McCartney, JJ Cale, Taj Mahal (the blues musician, not
the building, obviously) and some of his own children, though most of the
songs are covers of old jazz or blues numbers.

> Peace #16,

Debut album from the Google-unfriendly Birmingham quartet who are sometimes
described as Britpop revivalists - although some say they're closer to the
pre-Britpop early-90s indie scene. Mind you, in those days it would be
unlikely for a major-label act in the style to score a Top 20 album without
having got higher than 75 on the singles chart.
The deluxe version adds four extra songs.

> Simple Minds #19

Their third hits compilation covers everything from their debut single 'Life
In One Day' to two new tracks, including Radio 2 fave 'Broken Glass Park'.
Chronological sequencing means that the triple CD version conveniently packs
all the good stuff onto the first disc, with the stadium-rock years on the
second and the trying to be cool years on the third. There's also a slightly
cheaper 2CD format which splits in the late 1980s.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Joe Bonamassa #23,

His fifth charting solo album since 2010 and by my count his third live
album, although in this case it comes from an acoustic tour which I don't
think actually came to the UK, rather than his usual electric blues-rock.

> Lil Wayne #29,

His tenth album, which arrived with relatively little fanfare even allowing
for the fact that he's less of a star here than in the US. It seems to have
got a cool reception from all but his most devoted fans, hence its
relatively poor commercial performance.

>Iron Maiden #30,

As the title suggests, Maiden England '88 is a live album recorded that year
(Birmingham, in November, if you really wanted to know). It's been out on
VHS before but apparently this is the first release of the full show,
including encores, on CD.

>One Republic #35,

It's actually spelt OneRepublic. And they're among the few acts to have
appeared twice on the same Now album and never on any others. Neither of
those fans is interesting, but they're both more interesting than the music.

>Bonobo #48,

Gaining from a full week's digital sales. Physical formats are out tomorrow
(probably today by the time you read this).

>Bobby Womack #52,

Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer. Still a
nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012. It's
particularly good to know that he hasn't had to die in order to rechart: he
did pop up on Jonathan Ross's TV show last week, though, and even I looked
that up on YouTube.

> Macklemore #55,

Obviously the new single is doing the album some good. I think I said that
last week too.

>Edwyn Collins #66

His eighth solo album (though only the fourth to crack the Top 75) is the
second he's made since his near-fatal strokes in 2005 and in a sign of his
ongoing recovery he's dispensed with the co-writers who helped on his last
one, 2010's Losing Sleep, and penned 10 of the 11 songs himself, though he
still needs the assistance of musician friends to perform the material. At
least the title of the opening track and single 'Dilemna' is misspelt on
purpose.
I've yet to acquire my own copy of this album as I'm hoping to get it on
vinyl but thanks to the internet I've heard it a couple of times and it
ranks with his best work since Orange Juice.

> Re-entries : Madness (Oui Oui...) #49,

Are you taking the piss? :P
A third run for this album, which had a short initial chart run but has been
bolstered by the band's hefty promotional schedule. Suggs has also been
doing the rounds recently promoting the tour of his one-man show.

> Tracy Chapman #64,

I'm aware that this is part of an eighties-related special offer at iTunes,
but it's been mid-price for over 15 years so that can't have made too much
difference.

>Katy P (TD) #68,

Surely there can't be another single? But I have read a lot of uninteresing
stories about her in the papers lately so she must be building up to
something.

>Bob Marley (Legend) #69,

I wrote a blog post that mentioned this album recently, so I shall take the
credit.

> Beyonce (4) #72,

There was a documentary about her on the telly recently. Ken Bruce thinks
she might be the President of the US one day.

>Michael Buble (CL) #74,

The only surprise is that it was out of the T75 so soon after its last
re-entry.

> Of Monsters & Men #75

The default re-entry of the times.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Duke Dumont seems to be the song everyone is talking about.

It does indeed.

> Top 10 : Will.I.Am/Bieber,

Postponed to next week.

>Michael Buble

Probably.

> Top 40 : Ben Howard

Hahahahaha!

> There may be unexpected OA/OS releases, of course.

There's a scheduled one from Chris Brown, with the usual provisos about
British release dates.
Also, potential climb in for Macklemore. And a lot of people seem to think
'It's Time' by Imagine Dragons will get cherry-picked in.

> Albums
> ------
> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.

This sentence looks familiar. But still true.

> Top 5 : NKOTB

Even when I found out they'd had a Top 20 album a few years ago, I still
didn't believe them

> Top 10 : Imagine Dragons,

Quite possible.

>Wiley

Even allowing that he's had unprecedented singles success from this album,
that seems to be going a bit far, given that he's never had a solo Top 40
album before and I'm not convinced the singles success will do much for his
album.

> Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips

Possible, although interestingly neither of them managed it last time (it's
harder to tell with the Flips because of all the other odd stuff they've
released in between).

> Others : Alkaline Trio,

I didn't realise they were still going, not that that's necessarily
relevant.

>Bring Me The Horizon,

Some people seem to see this as a possible shock chart topper. I wouldn't go
that far but it seems a safe bet for T10 on past form.

>Leann Rimes

Put back (again!) to the 15th. I have no idea who'll buy it then.

Other non-mainstream stuff doing well on Amazon: Killswitch Engage, June
Tabor, Avantasia, Tyler the Creator (didn't know he had another one coming
out). And just what you've always wanted, another re-issue of Bat Out Of
Hell.
Also notable physical releases of recent sets from Bonobo and Jimi Hendrix.

Chris
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[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 at 02:18:12, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>
>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:XwCgBYAy...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Singles
>> -------
>> From absolutely nowhere, PJ & Duncan claim the #1 spot! :o
>
>At least to the extent that any Number One can come from nowhere in
>these days of live iTunes charts and regular midweek updates: although
>of course this being Easter weekend we didn't get the usual Friday
>updates so there was some tension whether they'd make it to the very
>top by tonight, but they did by a narrow margin of 4800 (per the OCC's
>Twitter account).

I was thinking in terms of not even being on the radar in terms of
*charting*, let alone being #1, just a couple of weeks ago...

>With the media attention this has been getting over the last week, the
>background seems to go without saying, but for the record this was Ant
>Mc Partlin and Declan Donnelly's third single as a duo, released under
>the names of the characters they played in Byker Grove.

I had a lot of trouble looking it up in Virgin Hit Singles - couldn't
find PJ & Duncan anywhere in the alphabetic section, even though they
were listed as PJ & D in the index. I finally thought to look under Ant
& Dec though, and there it was. 8)

>A new career chart peak was surely the last thing on their or anyone's
>minds when they performed this song as a filler on the popular TV
>series Saturday Night Takeaway eight days ago - if nothing else they
>might have remembered their 2009 attempt to chart off the back of the
>show with rival Team Ant and Team Dec singles, neither of which broke
>the top 70. Still, the combination of nostalgia and the desire for a
>bit of a laugh, plus of course the lack of hot new competition, sees
>them outdo their 2002 World Cup song 'We're On The Ball'.

It's the fact that it's utter bloody shit that confused me in terms of
reaching #1. :o

>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 5 : Pink #2
>
>Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this generic
>overproduced moanfest off the top.

I would *not* count that as a positive - although at least I now have a
definite answer if someone asks me what you think is the worst #1 of
2013 so far... :p

>
>
>> Top 20 : Pitbull ft Christina #11
>
>I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.

Huh?

>
>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>
>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...

How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?

>
>> Re-entries T40 : Rihanna (D) #35,
>
>One of a few tracks gaining from its appearance on Now 84. The only
>surprise is that it's not on 83.

Ah, I'd forgotten about Now 84 - I couldn't work out why singles sales
were slightly up...

>
>>Blackstreet #38,
>
>Nice to see a song that isn't an energy-sapping turgid sub-ballad
>re-enter, for a change.

I prefer those to rap, though...

>
>>Dizzee (BJ) #40
>
>Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the
>advertising too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version
>there is the edit that cuts all the drug references.

Fortunately I'm managed to avoid it sufficiently to not even know there
were drugs references *in* it. :p

>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Ariana Grande #41,
>
>Somebody from some American TV show. Unusually for such an act, the
>single was released barely a week after it came out in her native land
>(where it topped the iTunes chart for several days).

Haven't heard it.

>
>> Macklemore #46,
>
>Their second single, which I haven't yet heard.

Nor have I, but I suspect I wouldn't *want* to.

>
>> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,
>
>Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it close
>to catching up on sales?

Don't know, and 'only very slowly'.

>
>> Kesha (DY) #64,
>
>I presume radio stations are going back to this now her follow-up
>single has failed.

Or it was on Now 84?
>
>> Albums

>>
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>
>Their thirteenth studio album, which I think is unlucky enough to be
>their first without a UK Top 40 single.

That seems to be happening to a lot of veteran acts recently.

>
>> Top 10 : Lumineers #8,
>
>Is that really a new peak? FFS!!

Indeed!

>
>>Strokes #10
>
>Released almost exactly two years after Angles: I hadn't actually
>noticed it was that long, which might have something to do with the
>ageing process

Yours, or theirs? :p

>
>> Simple Minds #19
>
>Their third hits compilation covers everything from their debut single
>'Life In One Day' to two new tracks, including Radio 2 fave 'Broken
>Glass Park'. Chronological sequencing means that the triple CD version
>conveniently packs all the good stuff onto the first disc

Ahem... :p

>, with the stadium-rock years on the second and the trying to be cool
>years on the third.

What's wrong with 'stadium rock'?

>
>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>

>> Lil Wayne #29,
>
>His tenth album, which arrived with relatively little fanfare even
>allowing for the fact that he's less of a star here than in the US. It
>seems to have got a cool reception from all but his most devoted fans,
>hence its relatively poor commercial performance.

No worse than most albums by B-list rappers in the UK.

>
>>One Republic #35,
>
>It's actually spelt OneRepublic.

I know.

>
>>Bonobo #48,
>
>Gaining from a full week's digital sales.

Ah.

>
>>Bobby Womack #52,
>
>Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer. Still
>a nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012.

Mine was Lana Del Rey's.

>It's particularly good to know that he hasn't had to die in order to
>rechart: he did pop up on Jonathan Ross's TV show last week

Isn't that almost the same thing, though? :p

>
>> Re-entries : Madness (Oui Oui...) #49,
>
>Are you taking the piss? :P

Groan.

>
>>Katy P (TD) #68,
>
>Surely there can't be another single? But I have read a lot of
>uninteresing stories about her in the papers lately so she must be
>building up to something.

A whole new album, hopefully!

>
>> Of Monsters & Men #75
>
>The default re-entry of the times.

It's the only one of theirs that *could* re-enter.

>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Duke Dumont seems to be the song everyone is talking about.
>
>It does indeed.

But not necessarily for good reasons.

>
>> Top 10 : Will.I.Am/Bieber,
>
>Postponed to next week.

Oh.

>
>> There may be unexpected OA/OS releases, of course.
>
>There's a scheduled one from Chris Brown, with the usual provisos about
>British release dates.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.
>
>This sentence looks familiar. But still true.
>

Well, at least my mistake last week saved me having to write anything
this time. :)

[Chris Brown]

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> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 at 02:18:12, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>
>>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:XwCgBYAy...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> From absolutely nowhere, PJ & Duncan claim the #1 spot! :o
>>
>>At least to the extent that any Number One can come from nowhere in these
>>days of live iTunes charts and regular midweek updates: although of course
>>this being Easter weekend we didn't get the usual Friday updates so there
>>was some tension whether they'd make it to the very top by tonight, but
>>they did by a narrow margin of 4800 (per the OCC's Twitter account).
>
> I was thinking in terms of not even being on the radar in terms of
> *charting*, let alone being #1, just a couple of weeks ago...

As I said, this is about as out-of-the-blue as a Number One can be in 2013.
But things have changed.

>>With the media attention this has been getting over the last week, the
>>background seems to go without saying, but for the record this was Ant Mc
>>Partlin and Declan Donnelly's third single as a duo, released under the
>>names of the characters they played in Byker Grove.
>
> I had a lot of trouble looking it up in Virgin Hit Singles - couldn't find
> PJ & Duncan anywhere in the alphabetic section, even though they were
> listed as PJ & D in the index. I finally thought to look under Ant & Dec
> though, and there it was. 8)

ISTR this discussion cropped up on Haven too. IMO they should have been
listed under PJ & Duncan as that name accounts for the majority of their
hits, but I guess they might have changed it while they were still actively
recording as Ant & Dec.
Is there not a cross-reference though?

>>A new career chart peak was surely the last thing on their or anyone's
>>minds when they performed this song as a filler on the popular TV series
>>Saturday Night Takeaway eight days ago - if nothing else they might have
>>remembered their 2009 attempt to chart off the back of the show with rival
>>Team Ant and Team Dec singles, neither of which broke the top 70. Still,
>>the combination of nostalgia and the desire for a bit of a laugh, plus of
>>course the lack of hot new competition, sees them outdo their 2002 World
>>Cup song 'We're On The Ball'.
>
> It's the fact that it's utter bloody shit that confused me in terms of
> reaching #1. :o

I'm guessing you haven't heard a lot of Number One singles before then.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 5 : Pink #2
>>
>>Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this generic
>>overproduced moanfest off the top.
>
> I would *not* count that as a positive -

I don't get why not.

> although at least I now have a definite answer if someone asks me what you
> think is the worst #1 of 2013 so far... :p

*Cough*One Way Or Another*Cough*

>>> Top 20 : Pitbull ft Christina #11
>>
>>I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.
>
> Huh?

He'll be getting royalties from the sample of 'Take On Me', I presume.

>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>
>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>
> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?

Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not actually
written to fit her voice. But I didn't actually go so far as to say that
this wasn't good - I haven't heard it enough yet - just that it was generic.

>>> Re-entries T40 : Rihanna (D) #35,
>>
>>One of a few tracks gaining from its appearance on Now 84. The only
>>surprise is that it's not on 83.
>
> Ah, I'd forgotten about Now 84 - I couldn't work out why singles sales
> were slightly up...

That's a big part of the reason for Pink's climb, I guess.

>>>Blackstreet #38,
>>
>>Nice to see a song that isn't an energy-sapping turgid sub-ballad
>>re-enter, for a change.
>
> I prefer those to rap, though...

I prefer aubergines to lettuce. Your point being?

>>>Dizzee (BJ) #40
>>
>>Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the advertising
>>too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version there is the edit
>>that cuts all the drug references.
>
> Fortunately I'm managed to avoid it sufficiently to not even know there
> were drugs references *in* it. :p

He says he doesn't want any. Which is presumably why R1 are playing the edit
that leaves that in (but still drops the swearing).

>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Ariana Grande #41,
>>
>>Somebody from some American TV show. Unusually for such an act, the single
>>was released barely a week after it came out in her native land (where it
>>topped the iTunes chart for several days).
>
> Haven't heard it.

Neither have I. Quite possibly I never will.

>>> Macklemore #46,
>>
>>Their second single, which I haven't yet heard.
>
> Nor have I, but I suspect I wouldn't *want* to.

Some people were expecting a different follow-up, but I presume that will be
the third single.

>>> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,
>>
>>Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it close to
>>catching up on sales?
>
> Don't know, and 'only very slowly'.

Thought you might have a record of it, and as I expected.

>>> Kesha (DY) #64,
>>
>>I presume radio stations are going back to this now her follow-up single
>>has failed.
>
> Or it was on Now 84?

It is actually, but this seems a relatively big climb just for that.

>>> Albums
>>>
>>
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>
>>Their thirteenth studio album, which I think is unlucky enough to be their
>>first without a UK Top 40 single.
>
> That seems to be happening to a lot of veteran acts recently.

Which is only really to be expected given the trends in singles sales over
the last few years. Particularly since well-established acts tend to release
albums less frequently.

>>> Top 10 : Lumineers #8,
>>
>>Is that really a new peak? FFS!!
>
> Indeed!

Why Ho Why?

>>>Strokes #10
>>
>>Released almost exactly two years after Angles: I hadn't actually noticed
>>it was that long, which might have something to do with the ageing process
>
> Yours, or theirs? :p

Mine. Two years seems to go by faster the older you are.

>>> Simple Minds #19
>>
>>Their third hits compilation covers everything from their debut single
>>'Life In One Day' to two new tracks, including Radio 2 fave 'Broken Glass
>>Park'. Chronological sequencing means that the triple CD version
>>conveniently packs all the good stuff onto the first disc
>
> Ahem... :p

Well, the second one starts with 'Don't You Forget About Me'.

>>, with the stadium-rock years on the second and the trying to be cool
>>years on the third.
>
> What's wrong with 'stadium rock'?

Ask Simple Minds, they're the ones who've been in denial about it for the
last 15-20 years.

>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>
>>> Lil Wayne #29,
>>
>>His tenth album, which arrived with relatively little fanfare even
>>allowing for the fact that he's less of a star here than in the US. It
>>seems to have got a cool reception from all but his most devoted fans,
>>hence its relatively poor commercial performance.
>
> No worse than most albums by B-list rappers in the UK.

Exactly.

>>>One Republic #35,
>>
>>It's actually spelt OneRepublic.
>
> I know.

Still not interesting is it?

>>>Bobby Womack #52,
>>
>>Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer. Still a
>>nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012.
>
> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.

That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.

>>It's particularly good to know that he hasn't had to die in order to
>>rechart: he did pop up on Jonathan Ross's TV show last week
>
> Isn't that almost the same thing, though? :p

I think that depends on whether you repented your sins beforehand.

>>>Katy P (TD) #68,
>>
>>Surely there can't be another single? But I have read a lot of
>>uninteresing stories about her in the papers lately so she must be
>>building up to something.
>
> A whole new album, hopefully!

Even I might have to agree there.

>>> Of Monsters & Men #75
>>
>>The default re-entry of the times.
>
> It's the only one of theirs that *could* re-enter.

Yeah, but it's not the only album in the world that could. It obviously
sells about the same every week and drifts in and out of the T75 as overall
sales fluctuate.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Duke Dumont seems to be the song everyone is talking about.
>>
>>It does indeed.
>
> But not necessarily for good reasons.

Or any reasons?

>>> Top 10 : Will.I.Am/Bieber,
>>
>>Postponed to next week.
>
> Oh.

Presumably they think they've a chance at Number One next week.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.
>>
>>This sentence looks familiar. But still true.
>>
> Well, at least my mistake last week saved me having to write anything this
> time. :)

You did get this one right.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 at 13:57:52, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>

>> I had a lot of trouble looking it up in Virgin Hit Singles - couldn't
>>find PJ & Duncan anywhere in the alphabetic section, even though they
>>were listed as PJ & D in the index. I finally thought to look under
>>Ant & Dec though, and there it was. 8)
>
>ISTR this discussion cropped up on Haven too. IMO they should have been
>listed under PJ & Duncan as that name accounts for the majority of
>their hits, but I guess they might have changed it while they were
>still actively recording as Ant & Dec.
>Is there not a cross-reference though?

Yes - in the Ant & Dec section which isn't referenced in the index... 8)

>>
>> It's the fact that it's utter bloody shit that confused me in terms
>>of reaching #1. :o
>
>I'm guessing you haven't heard a lot of Number One singles before then.

Insert the word 'worse' in the above somewhere... :)

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 5 : Pink #2
>>>
>>>Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this
>>>generic overproduced moanfest off the top.
>>
>> I would *not* count that as a positive -
>
>I don't get why not.

Because Pink's song is at least tolerable.

>
>>>> Top 20 : Pitbull ft Christina #11
>>>
>>>I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>He'll be getting royalties from the sample of 'Take On Me', I presume.

From the context, he is/was a member of Aha, then?

>
>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>
>>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>>
>> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?
>
>Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not
>actually written to fit her voice.

Err, you *do* realise that she writes her own songs - so how do you
square that with the above?

>
>>>>Blackstreet #38,
>>>
>>>Nice to see a song that isn't an energy-sapping turgid sub-ballad
>>>re-enter, for a change.
>>
>> I prefer those to rap, though...
>
>I prefer aubergines to lettuce. Your point being?

The above *was* my point.

>
>>>>Dizzee (BJ) #40
>>>
>>>Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the
>>>advertising too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version
>>>there is the edit that cuts all the drug references.
>>
>> Fortunately I'm managed to avoid it sufficiently to not even know
>>there were drugs references *in* it. :p
>
>He says he doesn't want any. Which is presumably why R1 are playing the
>edit that leaves that in (but still drops the swearing).

You know what'd be real novelty - a rap artist who never used swear
words in their songs...

>
>>>> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,
>>>
>>>Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it
>>>close to catching up on sales?
>>
>> Don't know, and 'only very slowly'.
>
>Thought you might have a record of it

I have a record of the chart runs, yes - but not the inclination to
check, given I don't like either song.

>
>>>> Albums
>>>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>>
>>>Their thirteenth studio album, which I think is unlucky enough to be
>>>their first without a UK Top 40 single.
>>
>> That seems to be happening to a lot of veteran acts recently.
>
>Which is only really to be expected given the trends in singles sales
>over the last few years.

Is that because the acts don't embrace the download format, or that
their fans don't?

>
>>>> Top 10 : Lumineers #8,
>>>
>>>Is that really a new peak? FFS!!
>>
>> Indeed!
>
>Why Ho Why?

Who are you calling a ho? :P

>
>>>>Strokes #10
>>>
>>>Released almost exactly two years after Angles: I hadn't actually
>>>noticed it was that long, which might have something to do with the
>>>ageing process
>>
>> Yours, or theirs? :p
>
>Mine. Two years seems to go by faster the older you are.

I should be breaking the light barrier in that case. :)

>
>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :

>

>>>>Bobby Womack #52,
>>>
>>>Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer.
>>>Still a nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012.
>>
>> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.
>
>That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.

*Were* there any others?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:RxoxhOKb...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 at 13:57:52, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>> I had a lot of trouble looking it up in Virgin Hit Singles - couldn't
>>> find PJ & Duncan anywhere in the alphabetic section, even though they
>>> were listed as PJ & D in the index. I finally thought to look under Ant
>>> & Dec though, and there it was. 8)
>>
>>ISTR this discussion cropped up on Haven too. IMO they should have been
>>listed under PJ & Duncan as that name accounts for the majority of their
>>hits, but I guess they might have changed it while they were still
>>actively recording as Ant & Dec.
>>Is there not a cross-reference though?
>
> Yes - in the Ant & Dec section which isn't referenced in the index... 8)

What they should have done is put something in saying "PJ & Duncan - see Ant
& Dec". Books used to do that - in fact I think my old Guinness book used to
even have "Duncan - see PJ & Duncan" as if anybody would be looking for a
fictional character's solo career.

>>> It's the fact that it's utter bloody shit that confused me in terms of
>>> reaching #1. :o
>>
>>I'm guessing you haven't heard a lot of Number One singles before then.
>
> Insert the word 'worse' in the above somewhere... :)

Like I said.

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 5 : Pink #2
>>>>
>>>>Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this generic
>>>>overproduced moanfest off the top.
>>>
>>> I would *not* count that as a positive -
>>
>>I don't get why not.
>
> Because Pink's song is at least tolerable.

I suppose if you missed about 20 years of people making records that sounded
like that, it might be a bit easier.

>>>>> Top 20 : Pitbull ft Christina #11
>>>>
>>>>I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>He'll be getting royalties from the sample of 'Take On Me', I presume.
>
> From the context, he is/was a member of Aha, then?

Yes, he was the lead singer. I mentioned his name because I thought the
other two were too obscure.

>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>
>>>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>>>
>>> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?
>>
>>Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not
>>actually written to fit her voice.
>
> Err, you *do* realise that she writes her own songs - so how do you square
> that with the above?

I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to suit
her own voice. Not everyone does.

>>>>>Blackstreet #38,
>>>>
>>>>Nice to see a song that isn't an energy-sapping turgid sub-ballad
>>>>re-enter, for a change.
>>>
>>> I prefer those to rap, though...
>>
>>I prefer aubergines to lettuce. Your point being?
>
> The above *was* my point.

Oh, I see, it was just a general statement.

>>>>>Dizzee (BJ) #40
>>>>
>>>>Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the
>>>>advertising too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version
>>>>there is the edit that cuts all the drug references.
>>>
>>> Fortunately I'm managed to avoid it sufficiently to not even know there
>>> were drugs references *in* it. :p
>>
>>He says he doesn't want any. Which is presumably why R1 are playing the
>>edit that leaves that in (but still drops the swearing).
>
> You know what'd be real novelty - a rap artist who never used swear words
> in their songs...

Will Smith says hello.

>>
>>>>> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,
>>>>
>>>>Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it close
>>>>to catching up on sales?
>>>
>>> Don't know, and 'only very slowly'.
>>
>>Thought you might have a record of it
>
> I have a record of the chart runs, yes - but not the inclination to check,
> given I don't like either song.

Come to think of it, I suppose you'd have T200 runs rather than T75. I'm
guessing they're both in the 200 more often than now.

>>
>>>>> Albums
>>>>
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>>>
>>>>Their thirteenth studio album, which I think is unlucky enough to be
>>>>their first without a UK Top 40 single.
>>>
>>> That seems to be happening to a lot of veteran acts recently.
>>
>>Which is only really to be expected given the trends in singles sales over
>>the last few years.
>
> Is that because the acts don't embrace the download format, or that their
> fans don't?

I'm not sure if it has to be either, at least not that simply. The sales
difference between a Top 5 single in 2005, a Top 30 in 2009 and a Top 60 in
2013 surely isn't as great as the chart positions might imply.
And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends in the
singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like DM or the Pet
Shop Boys should have tailed off in the mid-to-late-90s, but they had a
slightly artificial advantage through frontloaded fanbase sales and then the
pisspoor sales levels of the mid-00s gave them an artificial boost and now,
when sales are so high, their apparent drop is all the more dramatic.

>>>>> Top 10 : Lumineers #8,
>>>>
>>>>Is that really a new peak? FFS!!
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>
>>Why Ho Why?
>
> Who are you calling a ho? :P

Er, somebody whose surname is Hey I suppose.

>>>>>Strokes #10
>>>>
>>>>Released almost exactly two years after Angles: I hadn't actually
>>>>noticed it was that long, which might have something to do with the
>>>>ageing process
>>>
>>> Yours, or theirs? :p
>>
>>Mine. Two years seems to go by faster the older you are.
>
> I should be breaking the light barrier in that case. :)

But you probably are. I bet a song from 2011 doesn't seem as old to you now
as one from 1981 did in 1983.

>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>
>>
>>>>>Bobby Womack #52,
>>>>
>>>>Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer. Still a
>>>>nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012.
>>>
>>> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.
>>
>>That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.
>
> *Were* there any others?

Yes, she's on the Bobby Womack album, which is what I was referring to. I
know she wrote a song on the Cheryl Cole album but I'm not sure whether she
actually performed on it at all.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 at 19:37:02, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>>>Is there not a cross-reference though?
>>
>> Yes - in the Ant & Dec section which isn't referenced in the index... 8)
>
>What they should have done is put something in saying "PJ & Duncan -
>see Ant & Dec".

Would've been handy!

>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> Top 5 : Pink #2
>>>>>
>>>>>Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this
>>>>>generic overproduced moanfest off the top.
>>>>
>>>> I would *not* count that as a positive -
>>>
>>>I don't get why not.
>>
>> Because Pink's song is at least tolerable.
>
>I suppose if you missed about 20 years of people making records that
>sounded like that, it might be a bit easier.

You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!

>>>>>
>>>>>I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.
>>

>> From the context, he is/was a member of Aha, then?
>
>Yes, he was the lead singer. I mentioned his name because I thought the
>other two were too obscure.

You must've forgotten that I'm lucky to remember *lead singers* of bands
I didn't follow at the time. :p

>
>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>
>>>>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>>>>
>>>> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?
>>>
>>>Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not
>>>actually written to fit her voice.
>>
>> Err, you *do* realise that she writes her own songs - so how do you
>>square that with the above?
>
>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to
>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.

IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
(Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.

>
>>>>>>Dizzee (BJ) #40
>>>>>
>>>>>Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the
>>>>>advertising too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version
>>>>>there is the edit that cuts all the drug references.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately I'm managed to avoid it sufficiently to not even know
>>>>there were drugs references *in* it. :p
>>>
>>>He says he doesn't want any. Which is presumably why R1 are playing
>>>the edit that leaves that in (but still drops the swearing).
>>
>> You know what'd be real novelty - a rap artist who never used swear
>>words in their songs...
>
>Will Smith says hello.

When was the last time he had a hit... 8)

>
>>>
>>>>>> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,
>>>>>
>>>>>Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it
>>>>>close to catching up on sales?
>>>>
>>>> Don't know, and 'only very slowly'.
>>>
>>>Thought you might have a record of it
>>
>> I have a record of the chart runs, yes - but not the inclination to
>>check, given I don't like either song.
>
>Come to think of it, I suppose you'd have T200 runs rather than T75.
>I'm guessing they're both in the 200 more often than now.

Huh?

>
>>>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>>

>>>Which is only really to be expected given the trends in singles sales
>>>over the last few years.
>>
>> Is that because the acts don't embrace the download format, or that
>>their fans don't?
>
>I'm not sure if it has to be either, at least not that simply. The
>sales difference between a Top 5 single in 2005, a Top 30 in 2009 and a
>Top 60 in 2013 surely isn't as great as the chart positions might imply.

True.

>And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends in
>the singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like DM or
>the Pet Shop Boys should have tailed off in the mid-to-late-90s, but
>they had a slightly artificial advantage through frontloaded fanbase
>sales and then the pisspoor sales levels of the mid-00s gave them an
>artificial boost and now, when sales are so high, their apparent drop
>is all the more dramatic.

ISTM the death of the physical singles market has most to do with it,
though.

>>>
>>>Mine. Two years seems to go by faster the older you are.
>>
>> I should be breaking the light barrier in that case. :)
>
>But you probably are. I bet a song from 2011 doesn't seem as old to you
>now as one from 1981 did in 1983.

True. :)

>
>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>
>>>
>>>>>>Bobby Womack #52,
>>>>>
>>>>>Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer.
>>>>>Still a nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012.
>>>>
>>>> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.
>>>
>>>That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.
>>
>> *Were* there any others?
>
>Yes, she's on the Bobby Womack album, which is what I was referring to.

Oh, right.

I rarely search for album tracks featuring artists I like - there's no
way of telling an iTunes search *not* to come up with all sort of
irrelevant hits, like 'In the style of <artist name>'.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:DbBV7ES+...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 at 19:37:02, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>Is there not a cross-reference though?
>>>
>>> Yes - in the Ant & Dec section which isn't referenced in the index... 8)
>>
>>What they should have done is put something in saying "PJ & Duncan - see
>>Ant & Dec".
>
> Would've been handy!

Standards are slipping.

>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>> Top 5 : Pink #2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Say what you like about PJ & Duncan, at least they've kept this
>>>>>>generic overproduced moanfest off the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would *not* count that as a positive -
>>>>
>>>>I don't get why not.
>>>
>>> Because Pink's song is at least tolerable.
>>
>>I suppose if you missed about 20 years of people making records that
>>sounded like that, it might be a bit easier.
>
> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!

I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.

>>>>>>I suppose on this occasion it's Morten Harket who wins.
>>>
>>> From the context, he is/was a member of Aha, then?
>>
>>Yes, he was the lead singer. I mentioned his name because I thought the
>>other two were too obscure.
>
> You must've forgotten that I'm lucky to remember *lead singers* of bands I
> didn't follow at the time. :p

Er, yeah, that's why I didn't mention the other members. And I didn't do the
joke about the guitarist getting his royalties through Paypal.

>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>>>>>
>>>>> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?
>>>>
>>>>Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not
>>>>actually written to fit her voice.
>>>
>>> Err, you *do* realise that she writes her own songs - so how do you
>>> square that with the above?
>>
>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to suit
>>her own voice. Not everyone does.
>
> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write (Your
> Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.

But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton John.

>>>>>>>Dizzee (BJ) #40
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another Now 84 selection, and one that features heavily in the
>>>>>>advertising too. Although according to S1m on Buzzjack, the version
>>>>>>there is the edit that cuts all the drug references.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fortunately I'm managed to avoid it sufficiently to not even know
>>>>> there were drugs references *in* it. :p
>>>>
>>>>He says he doesn't want any. Which is presumably why R1 are playing the
>>>>edit that leaves that in (but still drops the swearing).
>>>
>>> You know what'd be real novelty - a rap artist who never used swear
>>> words in their songs...
>>
>>Will Smith says hello.
>
> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)

Last time he released a record.

>>>>>>> Re-entries T75 : Kol (US) #48,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has this now re-entered more often than 'Sex On Fire'? And is it close
>>>>>>to catching up on sales?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know, and 'only very slowly'.
>>>>
>>>>Thought you might have a record of it
>>>
>>> I have a record of the chart runs, yes - but not the inclination to
>>> check, given I don't like either song.
>>
>>Come to think of it, I suppose you'd have T200 runs rather than T75. I'm
>>guessing they're both in the 200 more often than now.
>
> Huh?

Sorry, more often than *not*. My mind must have been wandering to Now albums
again.

>>>>
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>>>
>>>>Which is only really to be expected given the trends in singles sales
>>>>over the last few years.
>>>
>>> Is that because the acts don't embrace the download format, or that
>>> their fans don't?
>>
>>I'm not sure if it has to be either, at least not that simply. The sales
>>difference between a Top 5 single in 2005, a Top 30 in 2009 and a Top 60
>>in 2013 surely isn't as great as the chart positions might imply.
>
> True.


>>And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends in the
>>singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like DM or the
>>Pet Shop Boys should have tailed off in the mid-to-late-90s, but they had
>>a slightly artificial advantage through frontloaded fanbase sales and then
>>the pisspoor sales levels of the mid-00s gave them an artificial boost and
>>now, when sales are so high, their apparent drop is all the more dramatic.
>
> ISTM the death of the physical singles market has most to do with it,
> though.

But which way round are the cause and effect?

>>>>Mine. Two years seems to go by faster the older you are.
>>>
>>> I should be breaking the light barrier in that case. :)
>>
>>But you probably are. I bet a song from 2011 doesn't seem as old to you
>>now as one from 1981 did in 1983.
>
> True. :)

I thought that was from 1983, :P

>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Bobby Womack #52,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not a new entry nor, alas, a new peak: it got to 49 last summer. Still
>>>>>>a nice return for what was probably my favourite album of 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.
>>>>
>>>>That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.
>>>
>>> *Were* there any others?
>>
>>Yes, she's on the Bobby Womack album, which is what I was referring to.
>
> Oh, right.
>
> I rarely search for album tracks featuring artists I like - there's no way
> of telling an iTunes search *not* to come up with all sort of irrelevant
> hits, like 'In the style of <artist name>'.

Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 at 21:37:41, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------

>>
>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>
>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.

I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she
is... :p

>
>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not
>>>>>actually written to fit her voice.
>>>>
>>>> Err, you *do* realise that she writes her own songs - so how do you
>>>>square that with the above?
>>>
>>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to
>>>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.
>>
>> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
>>(Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.
>
>But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton John.

I don't know what that actually means?

>>>
>>>Will Smith says hello.
>>
>> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)
>
>Last time he released a record.

Exactly.

>>>
>>>Come to think of it, I suppose you'd have T200 runs rather than T75.
>>>I'm guessing they're both in the 200 more often than now.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>Sorry, more often than *not*. My mind must have been wandering to Now
>albums again.

Grin.

>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>

>>>And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends
>>>in the singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like
>>>DM or the Pet Shop Boys should have tailed off in the
>>>mid-to-late-90s, but they had a slightly artificial advantage through
>>>frontloaded fanbase sales and then the pisspoor sales levels of the
>>>mid-00s gave them an artificial boost and now, when sales are so
>>>high, their apparent drop is all the more dramatic.
>>
>> ISTM the death of the physical singles market has most to do with it,
>>though.
>
>But which way round are the cause and effect?

The way I put it.

>
>>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.
>>>>>
>>>>>That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.
>>>>
>>>> *Were* there any others?
>>>
>>>Yes, she's on the Bobby Womack album, which is what I was referring to.
>>
>> Oh, right.
>>
>> I rarely search for album tracks featuring artists I like - there's
>>no way of telling an iTunes search *not* to come up with all sort of
>>irrelevant hits, like 'In the style of <artist name>'.
>
>Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?

I'd have thought there's a very good chance of my liking *anything* with
Lana's amazing voice on it!

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:B2oFgiKZ...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 at 21:37:41, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>>
>>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.
>
> I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she is...
> :p

Are you suggesting that either she or I are the sort of people who go around
being rude to people's faces?
Anyway, wouldn't I be talking to Alicia Moore's face?

>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Remember last week I hoped this wouldn't be generic? Bad news...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can any song featuring Ellie's voice not be good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, there is a problem with some of them in that they're not
>>>>>>actually written to fit her voice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Err, you *do* realise that she writes her own songs - so how do you
>>>>> square that with the above?
>>>>
>>>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to
>>>>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.
>>>
>>> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
>>> (Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.
>>
>>But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton John.
>
> I don't know what that actually means?

You've probably noticed that her voice isn't quite the same as Elton's, so
she doesn't sing the song in the same key. That means the rest of the song
has to be transposed higher too, otherwise it wouldn't work.

>>>>Will Smith says hello.
>>>
>>> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)
>>
>>Last time he released a record.
>
> Exactly.

Well, PJ & Duncan (also non-sweary rappers) notwithstanding, you can't
reasonably expect him to have had one more recently can you?

>>>>Come to think of it, I suppose you'd have T200 runs rather than T75. I'm
>>>>guessing they're both in the 200 more often than now.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>Sorry, more often than *not*. My mind must have been wandering to Now
>>albums again.
>
> Grin.

I think I was trying to remember whether it's on a Now album. AFAICT it
isn't.

>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>
>>>>And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends in
>>>>the singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like DM or
>>>>the Pet Shop Boys should have tailed off in the mid-to-late-90s, but
>>>>they had a slightly artificial advantage through frontloaded fanbase
>>>>sales and then the pisspoor sales levels of the mid-00s gave them an
>>>>artificial boost and now, when sales are so high, their apparent drop is
>>>>all the more dramatic.
>>>
>>> ISTM the death of the physical singles market has most to do with it,
>>> though.
>>
>>But which way round are the cause and effect?
>
> The way I put it.

So people aren't buying records because the singles market died? Is that
actually possible?

>>>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mine was Lana Del Rey's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That wasn't even my favourite album with Lana Del Rey on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Were* there any others?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, she's on the Bobby Womack album, which is what I was referring to.
>>>
>>> Oh, right.
>>>
>>> I rarely search for album tracks featuring artists I like - there's no
>>> way of telling an iTunes search *not* to come up with all sort of
>>> irrelevant hits, like 'In the style of <artist name>'.
>>
>>Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?
>
> I'd have thought there's a very good chance of my liking *anything* with
> Lana's amazing voice on it!

Is that a challenge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVxzsBksNHs
What I particularly like about the track is the contrast and interplay
between the two very different voices.

There's also a video of them (and Damon Albarn) singing it live on French
TV:
http://www.xlrecordings.com/news/watchdaygloreflectionlivewithdamonalbarnlanadelrey
...I don't know whether she was caught short just before the rest of them
went on stage or something.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 at 22:51:49, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>>>
>>>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.
>>
>> I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she is...
>> :p
>
>Are you suggesting that either she or I are the sort of people who go
>around being rude to people's faces?

>Anyway, wouldn't I be talking to Alicia Moore's face?

Either way, I would dare - I find her very intimidating!

I much prefer the quieter, more demure girls - Kylie, Taylor Swift,
Katie Melua, etc...
>
>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25

>>>>>
>>>>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to
>>>>>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.
>>>>
>>>> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
>>>> (Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.
>>>
>>>But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton John.
>>
>> I don't know what that actually means?
>
>You've probably noticed that her voice isn't quite the same as Elton's,
>so she doesn't sing the song in the same key. That means the rest of
>the song has to be transposed higher too, otherwise it wouldn't work.

*Everyone* has a different voice, so I just take that change as being
too obvious to even notice. There's also the gender swapping of the
lyrics too, of course.

>
>>>>>Will Smith says hello.
>>>>
>>>> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)
>>>
>>>Last time he released a record.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>Well, PJ & Duncan (also non-sweary rappers) notwithstanding, you can't
>reasonably expect him to have had one more recently can you?

But I only like non-sweary *female* rappers. ;)

>
>
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>>
>>>>>And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends in
>>>>>the singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like DM or
>>>>>the Pet Shop Boys should have tailed off in the mid-to-late-90s, but
>>>>>they had a slightly artificial advantage through frontloaded fanbase
>>>>>sales and then the pisspoor sales levels of the mid-00s gave them an
>>>>>artificial boost and now, when sales are so high, their apparent drop is
>>>>>all the more dramatic.
>>>>
>>>> ISTM the death of the physical singles market has most to do with it,
>>>> though.
>>>
>>>But which way round are the cause and effect?
>>
>> The way I put it.
>
>So people aren't buying records because the singles market died? Is
>that actually possible?

Not the *whole* singles market, just the physical side.

>
>>>>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>

>>>Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?
>>
>> I'd have thought there's a very good chance of my liking *anything* with
>> Lana's amazing voice on it!
>
>Is that a challenge?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVxzsBksNHs

Again, Youtube rejects my browser - which is odd because it's IE8, which
seems to work OK on YT from my laptop.

The other URL worked though.

IMO Lana saved it. ;)

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:9srqW6bS...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 at 22:51:49, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>>>>
>>>>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.
>>>
>>> I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she
>>> is...
>>> :p
>>
>>Are you suggesting that either she or I are the sort of people who go
>>around being rude to people's faces?
>
>>Anyway, wouldn't I be talking to Alicia Moore's face?
>
> Either way, I would dare - I find her very intimidating!

Why would you dare? Are you into that sort of thing?

>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to
>>>>>>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
>>>>> (Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.
>>>>
>>>>But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton John.
>>>
>>> I don't know what that actually means?
>>
>>You've probably noticed that her voice isn't quite the same as Elton's, so
>>she doesn't sing the song in the same key. That means the rest of the song
>>has to be transposed higher too, otherwise it wouldn't work.
>
> *Everyone* has a different voice, so I just take that change as being too
> obvious to even notice.

Well, they're all slightly different, obviously, but people sing at
different pitches as well.

>There's also the gender swapping of the lyrics
> too, of course.

If relevant.

>>>>>>Will Smith says hello.
>>>>>
>>>>> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)
>>>>
>>>>Last time he released a record.
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>
>>Well, PJ & Duncan (also non-sweary rappers) notwithstanding, you can't
>>reasonably expect him to have had one more recently can you?
>
> But I only like non-sweary *female* rappers. ;)

Are there any?

>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Top 5 : Depeche Mode #2
>>>>
>>>>>>And that's kind of what I was getting at when I talked about trends in
>>>>>>the singles market. Logically, the singles careers of people like DM
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>the Pet Shop Boys should have tailed off in the mid-to-late-90s, but
>>>>>>they had a slightly artificial advantage through frontloaded fanbase
>>>>>>sales and then the pisspoor sales levels of the mid-00s gave them an
>>>>>>artificial boost and now, when sales are so high, their apparent drop
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>all the more dramatic.
>>>>>
>>>>> ISTM the death of the physical singles market has most to do with it,
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>But which way round are the cause and effect?
>>>
>>> The way I put it.
>>
>>So people aren't buying records because the singles market died? Is that
>>actually possible?
>
> Not the *whole* singles market, just the physical side.

I did know that, but I was simplifying.

>>>>>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>>
>>>>Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?
>>>
>>> I'd have thought there's a very good chance of my liking *anything* with
>>> Lana's amazing voice on it!
>>
>>Is that a challenge?
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVxzsBksNHs
>
> Again, Youtube rejects my browser - which is odd because it's IE8, which
> seems to work OK on YT from my laptop.
>
> The other URL worked though.
>
> IMO Lana saved it. ;)

Even singing live??

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 at 20:14:25, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.
>>>>
>>>> I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she
>>>> is...
>>>> :p
>>>
>>>Are you suggesting that either she or I are the sort of people who go
>>>around being rude to people's faces?
>>
>>>Anyway, wouldn't I be talking to Alicia Moore's face?
>>
>> Either way, I would dare - I find her very intimidating!
>
>Why would you dare? Are you into that sort of thing?

Damn my typing fingers! :(

That was meant to read 'I wouldn't dare', of course.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs to
>>>>>>>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
>>>>>> (Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton John.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what that actually means?
>>>
>>>You've probably noticed that her voice isn't quite the same as Elton's, so
>>>she doesn't sing the song in the same key. That means the rest of the song
>>>has to be transposed higher too, otherwise it wouldn't work.
>>
>> *Everyone* has a different voice, so I just take that change as being too
>> obvious to even notice.
>
>Well, they're all slightly different, obviously, but people sing at
>different pitches as well.

Which would be part of the difference...

>
>>There's also the gender swapping of the lyrics
>> too, of course.
>
>If relevant.

Well it would be in 'Your Song'!

>
>>>>>>>Will Smith says hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)
>>>>>
>>>>>Last time he released a record.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>>Well, PJ & Duncan (also non-sweary rappers) notwithstanding, you can't
>>>reasonably expect him to have had one more recently can you?
>>
>> But I only like non-sweary *female* rappers. ;)
>
>Are there any?

Does Blondie-Rapture count?

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------

>>>So people aren't buying records because the singles market died? Is that
>>>actually possible?
>>
>> Not the *whole* singles market, just the physical side.
>
>I did know that, but I was simplifying.

Or *over*-simplifying? :)

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>>>
>>>>>Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?
>>>>
>>>> I'd have thought there's a very good chance of my liking *anything* with
>>>> Lana's amazing voice on it!
>>>
>>>Is that a challenge?
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVxzsBksNHs
>>
>> Again, Youtube rejects my browser - which is odd because it's IE8, which
>> seems to work OK on YT from my laptop.
>>
>> The other URL worked though.
>>
>> IMO Lana saved it. ;)
>
>Even singing live??
>

What does singing live have to do with it?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:u1R+wgt4...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 at 20:14:25, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she
>>>>> is...
>>>>> :p
>>>>
>>>>Are you suggesting that either she or I are the sort of people who go
>>>>around being rude to people's faces?
>>>
>>>>Anyway, wouldn't I be talking to Alicia Moore's face?
>>>
>>> Either way, I would dare - I find her very intimidating!
>>
>>Why would you dare? Are you into that sort of thing?
>
> Damn my typing fingers! :(
>
> That was meant to read 'I wouldn't dare', of course.

Like I said, I wouldn't do that to anybody.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I would think that she doesn't know a lot about how to write songs
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>suit her own voice. Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMO her songs suit her very well - and the main one she didn't write
>>>>>>> (Your Song) suited her very well indeed, IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But crucially, she didn't sing over the same arrangement as Elton
>>>>>>John.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what that actually means?
>>>>
>>>>You've probably noticed that her voice isn't quite the same as Elton's,
>>>>so
>>>>she doesn't sing the song in the same key. That means the rest of the
>>>>song
>>>>has to be transposed higher too, otherwise it wouldn't work.
>>>
>>> *Everyone* has a different voice, so I just take that change as being
>>> too
>>> obvious to even notice.
>>
>>Well, they're all slightly different, obviously, but people sing at
>>different pitches as well.
>
> Which would be part of the difference...

Yes - but only part, obviously - and that's where we started.

>>>There's also the gender swapping of the lyrics
>>> too, of course.
>>
>>If relevant.
>
> Well it would be in 'Your Song'!

TBH I'm so tired of that song I haven't listened to it in years, so I can't
really remember. I do know Elton sings "...but boy if I did" in the original
though.

>>>>>>>>Will Smith says hello.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When was the last time he had a hit... 8)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Last time he released a record.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>>Well, PJ & Duncan (also non-sweary rappers) notwithstanding, you can't
>>>>reasonably expect him to have had one more recently can you?
>>>
>>> But I only like non-sweary *female* rappers. ;)
>>
>>Are there any?
>
> Does Blondie-Rapture count?

No, because that's a song, not a person. And I'm pretty sure Debbie Harry
does swear in some other songs.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>So people aren't buying records because the singles market died? Is that
>>>>actually possible?
>>>
>>> Not the *whole* singles market, just the physical side.
>>
>>I did know that, but I was simplifying.
>
> Or *over*-simplifying? :)

Apparently not enough.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good point. The chances you'd like it aren't great anyway are they?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd have thought there's a very good chance of my liking *anything*
>>>>> with
>>>>> Lana's amazing voice on it!
>>>>
>>>>Is that a challenge?
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVxzsBksNHs
>>>
>>> Again, Youtube rejects my browser - which is odd because it's IE8, which
>>> seems to work OK on YT from my laptop.
>>>
>>> The other URL worked though.
>>>
>>> IMO Lana saved it. ;)
>>
>>Even singing live??
>>
> What does singing live have to do with it?

That's what she's doing in the French video (which I assumed was what you
meant by the "other URL") and I don't think she did it all that well. But
then, neither did Damon Albarn (who doesn't even sing on the record).

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 at 15:52:31, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could hardly call Pink bland or derivative, though!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think you'll find that I not only can, but have actually done so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dare you to say that to her face - then you'll see how 'bland' she
>>>>>> is...
>>>>>> :p
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you suggesting that either she or I are the sort of people who go
>>>>>around being rude to people's faces?
>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, wouldn't I be talking to Alicia Moore's face?
>>>>
>>>> Either way, I would dare - I find her very intimidating!
>>>
>>>Why would you dare? Are you into that sort of thing?
>>
>> Damn my typing fingers! :(
>>
>> That was meant to read 'I wouldn't dare', of course.
>
>Like I said, I wouldn't do that to anybody.

Perhaps, but most others would be less likely to punch you in the
face... :p
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Calvin/Ellie #25
>>>>>
>>>

>>>Well, they're all slightly different, obviously, but people sing at
>>>different pitches as well.
>>
>> Which would be part of the difference...
>
>Yes - but only part, obviously - and that's where we started.
>
>>>>There's also the gender swapping of the lyrics
>>>> too, of course.
>>>
>>>If relevant.
>>
>> Well it would be in 'Your Song'!
>
>TBH I'm so tired of that song I haven't listened to it in years, so I
>can't really remember. I do know Elton sings "...but boy if I did" in
>the original though.

I have both versions on my iPod.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>

>>>> IMO Lana saved it. ;)
>>>
>>>Even singing live??
>>>
>> What does singing live have to do with it?
>
>That's what she's doing in the French video (which I assumed was what
>you meant by the "other URL") and I don't think she did it all that
>well. But then, neither did Damon Albarn (who doesn't even sing on the
>record).

ISTM listeners are too spoiled in that respect by the polished versions
produced in studios. Surely it's unreasonable to expect live
performances to sound as good?