Chart Commentary 23/8/08
Paul Hyett
-------
Katy Perry stays at #1 for a second week.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Verve #4, Rihanna #6, Madcon #7
Top 20 : Ida Maria #13, Bloc Party #16, Nelly ft A&A #17
Top 30 : Little Jackie #26, Solange #27, Keane #28, Spoon, Harris &
Obernik #29
Top 40 : Taio Cruz #32
Re-entries T40 : Script (WC) #33
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Go Audio #41, Flo-Rida
(ITA) #48, Alphabeat (BF) #49, F&TM #51, Ray J #66, Slipknot #69*, Nas
#70
Re-entries : Snap (RIAD) #62, Slipknot (see above).
Albums
------
The Script see their first album enter at the top.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Noah & The Whale #5, Jane McDonald #7
Top 20 : none
New outside the top 20 : Levellers #24, Late Of The Pier #28 (nothing to
do with Weston-Super-Mare I assume). :)
Re-entries : Beth Rowley #42, Leonard Cohen #57, Oasis (STC) #68,
Killers (HF) #69, Sugababes (Ch) #71, Foo Fighters (ESPG) #75
Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
I foresee no problem for Katy Perry to register her 3rd week at #1.
Top 5 :
Top 10 :
Top 20 : Automatic, Fratellis, Taio Cruz, Keane
Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
Top 40 : Alphabeat
Any other possibilities?
Albums
------
The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while slightly
more numerous, is still weak.
Top 10 NE :
Top 20 NE : Hamfatter. Madcon
Others : Dandy Warhols, Heaven 17, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Solange, Stereolab
--
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Chris Brown
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> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a second week.
This reminds me a bit of the time when a guy I worked with said he was
thinking of going to see the film Kissing Jessica Stein. I said "You do
realise it's a woman who's kissing Jessica Stein, don't you?" and that
seemed to put him off the idea.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Verve #4,
I realise this was already true last week, but it's their fourth consecutive
Top 10 single, ignoring the import CD single of 'Sonnet'. Which doesn't stop
it sounding like a song from a Richard Ashcroft solo album.
>Rihanna #6,
I'm aware that this is getting airplay, but I haven't heard much of it
myself yet.
>Madcon #7
Apparently it's short for "Mad Confusion", which seems the only logical
reaction to this; unless, perhaps, the video is in a similar style to the
cover.
For the record, this was a minor chart entry for the Four Seasons last year,
although Timebox's "spoiler" version reached the UK Top 40 in 1968.
> Top 20 : Ida Maria #13,
If it's going to keep climbing every week, I'm going to run out of things to
say about it. Er, have I mentioned that she looks a bit like Minnie Mouse on
the cover?
> Bloc Party #16,
An interesting way to follow up the success of 'Flux' - the obvious
responses would be either to follow the money by releasing more singles that
sounded like it, or mollify the old fans by releasing something that sounded
like 'Banquet'. Bloc Party have found the courage to do neither, but rather
to build on that direction and go somewhere different with it.
Obviously, this risky strategy has had its disadvantages commercially, but
this is another addition to their tally of Top 20 hits - and in a week where
we were supposed to get excited about Oasis premiering yet another retread
of 'Hey Now!' you've got to love them for it.
> Nelly ft A&A #17
Apparently the version of this on Ashanti's album has more of her on it.
Well, it could hardly have less.
> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
Out on CD on the 25th.
As everybody else already seems to be mentioning it, I might as well say now
that the vocalist on this track is Imani Coppola who was touted as a female
equivalent to Beck a decade or so ago, though it never really materialised
and she ended up with only a Number 32 single to show for it. This isn't yet
her highest chart position, though.
> Solange #27,
It's German for So Long, you know. What kind of issues must Matthew Knowles
have to lumber his daughters with these names? ;-)
> Keane #28,
Certainly a change in direction for them, although whether it's a welcome
one is more debatable. I always wonder whether these sales of recently free
tracks are to people who didn't know or loyalists, or both.
>Spoon, Harris & Obernik #29
I heard a rumour that Spoon was going to run off and form a splinter group
with Deep Dish.... OK, not really.
But what else am I going to say about this, except that I'm sure Sam Obernik
can do better than trying to be a low-rent Luciana?
> Top 40 : Taio Cruz #32
Amusing that he asks whether one line in the song is a cliche.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Go Audio #41,
If I had to guess, I'd say that this had sold much the same as their last
one, but in a slightly tougher market.
>Flo-Rida (ITA) #48,
No point quoting a release date for this, after his last one got pushed
about so much.
>Alphabeat (BF) #49,
I suppose at least there isn't as much of the bloke on this one.
>F&TM #51,
Presumably if the channel's up and running, the intensity of the advert will
be slipping now?
>Ray J #66,
I can't see a physical release date for this, although I didn't look hard.
Who'd go into a shop and ask for a record called 'Sexy Can I' anyway?
> Slipknot #69*,
Up from last week's 76. Looks like an off chart run, but at this level its
actual sales are probably fairly consistent.
>Nas #70
Officially credited to Nas ft Keri Hilson, although she appears to have gone
to the Ashanti school of collaboration.
> Re-entries : Snap (RIAD) #62,
Maybe the ad's on again, I don't know.
> Albums
> ------
> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
Presumably so called because everything about them seems perfect for a
record company's plan for a breakthrough act. Their lazily-titled album
includes both hits and a track called 'If You See Kay', which is neither big
nor clever.
Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Noah & The Whale #5,
In five years' time, they may be cropping up in pub quizzes.
I'm told that some of this is more tolerable than the hit.
> Jane McDonald #7
Fifth (no I didn't believe it either) album from the Cruise star, which
includes five of her own songs and nine covers, including the
just-plain-wrong 'Doctor's Orders'.
> New outside the top 20 : Levellers #24,
Ninth studio album from the anarcho-folk collective, which is pretty much
business as usual for them stylistically, but returns them to the album Top
40 for the first time since 2000. A limited CD adds three extra songs and a
video.
>Late Of The Pier #28 (nothing to do with Weston-Super-Mare I assume). :)
No, I blame Oasis for that.
> Re-entries : Beth Rowley #42,
Presumably the new single has something to do with it.
>Leonard Cohen #57,
A reissue of 2003's Essential, presumably cashing in on his European tour.
>Oasis (STC) #68,
Stop The Clocks, presumably in the hope that you'll forget how long it was
since they mattered. Obviously, this is widely discounted to coincide with
new material.
> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> I foresee no problem for Katy Perry to register her 3rd week at #1.
Assuming that you mean that in the sense of "No obstruction" I agree. ;-)
> Top 20 : Automatic,
If so it won't be automatic! Geddit???
>Fratellis,
Are they paying you to say this or something?
It's not even Top 75 on downloads (actually, not even Top 100 but you
wouldn't have known that last night).
> Taio Cruz,
Seems pretty logical.
> Keane
Certainly not out of the question.
> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
Quite a hill to climb here, since past form doesn't mark her out as a big CD
single seller. But as I've suggested before, the title could be a
significant factor, so I won't write it off.
BTW, any idea why there's an "ITV 2-track" bundle on download?
> Top 40 : Alphabeat
Again, wouldn't take much.
> Any other possibilities?
The Biffy Clyro single's out on download, but I don't really know how it'll
do. I've also seen the Chemical Brothers track listed as a digital-only
release this week, but it's been out for weeks.
> Albums
> ------
> The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while slightly >
> more numerous, is still weak.
And they're the sort of identity-free zone that wouldn't use up all their
sales fast.
> Top 20 NE : Hamfatter.
I had no idea this was even out until just now, which makes me a bit
dubious.
>Madcon
Not to be taken as read off one single, but it does seem to be selling even
cheaper than Noah & The Whale's effort.
> Others : Dandy Warhols,
ISTR their last one sank without trace, and not many guts seem to have been
busted promoting this. But who knows?
> Heaven 17,
I would struggle to think of a band with less market for a live album than
them.
> Lynyrd Skynyrd,
"As seen on TV" apparently.
>Solange,
Maybe.
>Stereolab
It's how things seem to be going at the moment, yeah.
Chris
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Jan Buxton
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>
> An interesting way to follow up the success of 'Flux' - the obvious
> responses would be either to follow the money by releasing more singles that
> sounded like it, or mollify the old fans by releasing something that sounded
> like 'Banquet'. Bloc Party have found the courage to do neither, but rather
> to build on that direction and go somewhere different with it.
And like 'Flux', it is a grower. Looking forward to the new record.
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>
>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a second week.
>
>This reminds me a bit of the time when a guy I worked with said he was
>thinking of going to see the film Kissing Jessica Stein. I said "You do
>realise it's a woman who's kissing Jessica Stein, don't you?" and that
>seemed to put him off the idea.
For me, it would depend what Jessica Stein and her 'friend' looked
like... :)
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Verve #4,
>
>I realise this was already true last week, but it's their fourth consecutive
>Top 10 single, ignoring the import CD single of 'Sonnet'. Which doesn't stop
>it sounding like a song from a Richard Ashcroft solo album.
Not that there's any connection between the two, of course... :)
>
>>Rihanna #6,
>
>I'm aware that this is getting airplay, but I haven't heard much of it
>myself yet.
Only this week reached the airplay T50 though. These unexpected hits
must be a nightmare for playlist schedulers. :)
>
>>Madcon #7
>
>Apparently it's short for "Mad Confusion", which seems the only logical
>reaction to this; unless, perhaps, the video is in a similar style to the
>cover.
Wouldn't know - it's presumably played on the music channels I ignore.
>
>> Top 20 : Ida Maria #13,
>
>If it's going to keep climbing every week, I'm going to run out of things to
>say about it. Er, have I mentioned that she looks a bit like Minnie Mouse on
>the cover?
Also, she sounds out-of-breath when she sings the chorus...
>
>> Bloc Party #16,
>
>An interesting way to follow up the success of 'Flux' - the obvious
>responses would be either to follow the money by releasing more singles that
>sounded like it, or mollify the old fans by releasing something that sounded
>like 'Banquet'. Bloc Party have found the courage to do neither, but rather
>to build on that direction and go somewhere different with it.
Which wouldn't be a problem if they'd come up with something *good*.
>Obviously, this risky strategy has had its disadvantages commercially, but
>this is another addition to their tally of Top 20 hits
Just...
>
>> Nelly ft A&A #17
>
>Apparently the version of this on Ashanti's album has more of her on it.
>Well, it could hardly have less.
Grin.
Have you noticed how rare it is nowadays for urban artists to release
solo singles? They can't even use the excuse of extra entries in
Guinness, since it isn't being published ATM... :)
>
>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
>
>Out on CD on the 25th.
>As everybody else already seems to be mentioning it, I might as well say now
>that the vocalist on this track is Imani Coppola who was touted as a female
>equivalent to Beck a decade or so ago, though it never really materialised
>and she ended up with only a Number 32 single to show for it. This isn't yet
>her highest chart position, though.
Huh? Since when does #26 not beat #32?
>
>> Solange #27,
>
>It's German for So Long, you know. What kind of issues must Matthew Knowles
>have to lumber his daughters with these names? ;-)
I dare say fame & fortune offers *some* compensation... :)
>
>> Keane #28,
>
>Certainly a change in direction for them, although whether it's a welcome
>one is more debatable. I always wonder whether these sales of recently free
>tracks are to people who didn't know or loyalists, or both.
Give away something free, and almost anybody might give it a listen.
>
>>Spoon, Harris & Obernik #29
>
>I heard a rumour that Spoon was going to run off and form a splinter group
>with Deep Dish...
Groan.
>
>> Top 40 : Taio Cruz #32
>
>Amusing that he asks whether one line in the song is a cliche.
>
As in, *just* one?
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Go Audio #41,
>
>If I had to guess, I'd say that this had sold much the same as their last
>one, but in a slightly tougher market.
And with even less promo.
>
>>Flo-Rida (ITA) #48,
>
>No point quoting a release date for this, after his last one got pushed
>about so much.
Currently scheduled for Sep 8th, though.
>
>>Alphabeat (BF) #49,
>
>I suppose at least there isn't as much of the bloke on this one.
Due out next Monday.
>
>>F&TM #51,
>
>Presumably if the channel's up and running, the intensity of the advert will
>be slipping now?
Huh?
>
>>Ray J #66,
>
>I can't see a physical release date for this, although I didn't look hard.
It was originally scheduled for yesterday, but with the aforementioned
HMV issue, I have no idea what's been released this week.
>
>> Slipknot #69*,
>
>Up from last week's 76. Looks like an off chart run, but at this level its
>actual sales are probably fairly consistent.
Consistently low...
>
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
>
>Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
Why is that weird?
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Noah & The Whale #5,
>
>In five years' time, they may be cropping up in pub quizzes.
>I'm told that some of this is more tolerable than the hit.
The empty space between tracks, perhaps? :)
>
>> New outside the top 20 : Levellers #24,
>
>Ninth studio album from the anarcho-folk collective, which is pretty much
>business as usual for them stylistically, but returns them to the album Top
>40 for the first time since 2000. A limited CD adds three extra songs and a
>video.
But few extra sales, presumably.
>
>> Re-entries : Beth Rowley #42,
>
>Presumably the new single has something to do with it.
Maybe. :)
>
>>Leonard Cohen #57,
>
>A reissue of 2003's Essential, presumably cashing in on his European tour.
Amazing that anyone even knows one's happening.
>
>> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
>
>Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
I haven't heard it yet.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> I foresee no problem for Katy Perry to register her 3rd week at #1.
>
>Assuming that you mean that in the sense of "No obstruction" I agree. ;-)
Huh?
>
>> Top 20 : Automatic,
>
>If so it won't be automatic! Geddit???
Actually, no.
>
>>Fratellis,
>
>Are they paying you to say this or something?
I wish...
>
>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>
>Quite a hill to climb here, since past form doesn't mark her out as a big CD
>single seller.
Well, not a front-loaded CD seller, anyway.
>BTW, any idea why there's an "ITV 2-track" bundle on download?
I didn't even know there *was* one...
>
>> Top 40 :
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>The Biffy Clyro single's out on download, but I don't really know how it'll
>do.
#12 on iTunes, so probably quite well.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while slightly >
>> more numerous, is still weak.
>
>And they're the sort of identity-free zone
I don't know what that means.
>
>> Top 20 NE :
>
>>Madcon
>
>Not to be taken as read off one single, but it does seem to be selling even
>cheaper than Noah & The Whale's effort.
Or *priced* cheaper - whether it'll *sell* is another matter...
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 at 19:57:37, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:EL2Y4cmK...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a second week.
>>
>>This reminds me a bit of the time when a guy I worked with said he was
>>thinking of going to see the film Kissing Jessica Stein. I said "You do
>>realise it's a woman who's kissing Jessica Stein, don't you?" and that
>>seemed to put him off the idea.
>
> For me, it would depend what Jessica Stein and her 'friend' looked like...
> :)
I never saw the film myself either.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Verve #4,
>>
>>I realise this was already true last week, but it's their fourth
>>consecutive
>>Top 10 single, ignoring the import CD single of 'Sonnet'. Which doesn't
>>stop
>>it sounding like a song from a Richard Ashcroft solo album.
>
> Not that there's any connection between the two, of course... :)
Between which two?
>>>Rihanna #6,
>>
>>I'm aware that this is getting airplay, but I haven't heard much of it
>>myself yet.
>
> Only this week reached the airplay T50 though. These unexpected hits >
> must be a nightmare for playlist schedulers. :)
Well, they don't have to play them.
>>>Madcon #7
>>
>>Apparently it's short for "Mad Confusion", which seems the only logical
>>reaction to this; unless, perhaps, the video is in a similar style to the
>>cover.
>
> Wouldn't know - it's presumably played on the music channels I ignore.
As per YouTube, it starts with Madcon in their pants playing a video game,
so I suppose it could only get better from there.
Anyway, there must be something there. People have said it's got a catchy
chorus, which isn't untrue - but obviously it's no catchier than the
original.
>>> Top 20 : Ida Maria #13,
>>
>>If it's going to keep climbing every week, I'm going to run out of things
>>to
>>say about it. Er, have I mentioned that she looks a bit like Minnie Mouse
>>on
>>the cover?
>
> Also, she sounds out-of-breath when she sings the chorus...
Yes, but that must be intentional.
>>> Bloc Party #16,
>>
>>An interesting way to follow up the success of 'Flux' - the obvious
>>responses would be either to follow the money by releasing more singles
>>that
>>sounded like it, or mollify the old fans by releasing something that
>>sounded
>>like 'Banquet'. Bloc Party have found the courage to do neither, but
>>rather
>>to build on that direction and go somewhere different with it.
>
> Which wouldn't be a problem if they'd come up with something *good*.
Who's got a problem?
>>Obviously, this risky strategy has had its disadvantages commercially, but
>>this is another addition to their tally of Top 20 hits
>
> Just...
Comfortably inside there.
>>> Nelly ft A&A #17
>>
>>Apparently the version of this on Ashanti's album has more of her on it.
>>Well, it could hardly have less.
>
> Grin.
>
> Have you noticed how rare it is nowadays for urban artists to release solo
> singles? They can't even use the excuse of extra entries in Guinness,
> since it isn't being published ATM... :)
It's just business, isn't it?
>>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
>>
>>Out on CD on the 25th.
>>As everybody else already seems to be mentioning it, I might as well say
>>now
>>that the vocalist on this track is Imani Coppola who was touted as a
>>female
>>equivalent to Beck a decade or so ago, though it never really materialised
>>and she ended up with only a Number 32 single to show for it. This isn't
>>yet
>>her highest chart position, though.
>
> Huh? Since when does #26 not beat #32?
It doesn't - she's appeared on a Top 20 single already. But I've got to save
some material for next week, haven't I?
>>> Solange #27,
>>
>>It's German for So Long, you know. What kind of issues must Matthew
>>Knowles
>>have to lumber his daughters with these names? ;-)
>
> I dare say fame & fortune offers *some* compensation... :)
Yeah, the huge fortune of a Number 27 single, years into your career.
>>> Keane #28,
>>
>>Certainly a change in direction for them, although whether it's a welcome
>>one is more debatable. I always wonder whether these sales of recently
>>free
>>tracks are to people who didn't know or loyalists, or both.
>
> Give away something free, and almost anybody might give it a listen.
Of course, and presumably that was part of the point. But people downloading
it free haven't contributed to this chart position.
>>> Top 40 : Taio Cruz #32
>>
>>Amusing that he asks whether one line in the song is a cliche.
>>
> As in, *just* one?
Well, quite.
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Go Audio #41,
>>
>>If I had to guess, I'd say that this had sold much the same as their last
>>one, but in a slightly tougher market.
>
> And with even less promo.
Really? Were they going around telling people not to buy it?
>>>Alphabeat (BF) #49,
>>
>>I suppose at least there isn't as much of the bloke on this one.
>
> Due out next Monday.
Is he?
>>>F&TM #51,
>>
>>Presumably if the channel's up and running, the intensity of the advert
>>will
>>be slipping now?
>
> Huh?
That is a weird sentence isn't it? You may be able to tell at what point in
my post I started to get tired, and when I gave up and went to bed...
>>>Ray J #66,
>>
>>I can't see a physical release date for this, although I didn't look hard.
>
> It was originally scheduled for yesterday, but with the aforementioned HMV
> issue, I have no idea what's been released this week.
It's not on their website at all.
>>> Slipknot #69*,
>>
>>Up from last week's 76. Looks like an off chart run, but at this level its
>>actual sales are probably fairly consistent.
>
> Consistently low...
Well yes, but it's been selling at that sort of level for several weeks now,
whereas normally you'd expect a metal track to sell strongly for one of two
weeks and that tail of drastically.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
>>
>>Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
>
> Why is that weird?
They don't seem the most obvious pairing.
At least the Script are on first, so N*E*R*D can wake the audience up and
make sure they don't miss their train home.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>
>>> New outside the top 20 : Levellers #24,
>>
>>Ninth studio album from the anarcho-folk collective, which is pretty much
>>business as usual for them stylistically, but returns them to the album
>>Top
>>40 for the first time since 2000. A limited CD adds three extra songs and
>>a
>>video.
>
> But few extra sales, presumably.
You say that, but it's their highest-charting album in almost ten years.
>>> Re-entries : Beth Rowley #42,
>>
>>Presumably the new single has something to do with it.
>
> Maybe. :)
OTOH, that's been on the radio for a couple of weeks, so there's probably
something else involved too.
>>>Leonard Cohen #57,
>>
>>A reissue of 2003's Essential, presumably cashing in on his European tour.
>
> Amazing that anyone even knows one's happening.
I think it already has. But why shouldn't people know?
>>> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
>>
>>Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
>
> I haven't heard it yet.
I couldn't stomach the whole thing, but it samples 'Here Come The Girls'.
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> I foresee no problem for Katy Perry to register her 3rd week at #1.
>>
>>Assuming that you mean that in the sense of "No obstruction" I agree. ;-)
>
> Huh?
Some people might suggest that the record staying at Number One *is* a
problem.
>>> Top 20 : Automatic,
>>
>>If so it won't be automatic! Geddit???
>
> Actually, no.
I mean, they're not the sort of band who can have Top 20 hits just because
of who they are - demonstrably not as they've only had one of them so far.
>>>Fratellis,
>>
>>Are they paying you to say this or something?
>
> I wish...
Why then?
>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>
>>Quite a hill to climb here, since past form doesn't mark her out as a big
>>CD
>>single seller.
>
> Well, not a front-loaded CD seller, anyway.
It's not clear that she's any type of CD single seller, although we don't
have exact figures here.
>>BTW, any idea why there's an "ITV 2-track" bundle on download?
>
> I didn't even know there *was* one...
I only saw it yesterday. But what have ITV got to do with it?
>>> Top 40 :
>>
>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>The Biffy Clyro single's out on download, but I don't really know how
>>it'll
>>do.
>
> #12 on iTunes, so probably quite well.
Well spotted!
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while slightly
>>> >
>>> more numerous, is still weak.
>>
>>And they're the sort of identity-free zone
>
> I don't know what that means.
I mean they're a bunch of nobodys who make boring music, so they can be
expected to sell steadily rather than swiftly.
>>> Top 20 NE :
>>
>>>Madcon
>>
>>Not to be taken as read off one single, but it does seem to be selling
>>even
>>cheaper than Noah & The Whale's effort.
>
> Or *priced* cheaper - whether it'll *sell* is another matter...
I'm sure that across the entire nation they'll manage to shift at least one
copy.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Verve #4,
>>>
>>>I realise this was already true last week, but it's their fourth
>>>consecutive
>>>Top 10 single, ignoring the import CD single of 'Sonnet'. Which doesn't
>>>stop
>>>it sounding like a song from a Richard Ashcroft solo album.
>>
>> Not that there's any connection between the two, of course... :)
>
>Between which two?
Richard Ashcroft & The Verve. :)
>
>>>>Rihanna #6,
>>>
>>>I'm aware that this is getting airplay, but I haven't heard much of it
>>>myself yet.
>>
>> Only this week reached the airplay T50 though. These unexpected hits >
>> must be a nightmare for playlist schedulers. :)
>
>Well, they don't have to play them.
No - but if they don't play popular hits, they'll lose listeners to
stations that will.
>
>
>>>> Bloc Party #16,
>>
>> Which wouldn't be a problem if they'd come up with something *good*.
>
>Who's got a problem?
BP - with their new single under-performing.
BTW, have you heard they're rush-releasing their new album?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/19/new.bloc.party.album
>
>>>> Nelly ft A&A #17
>>>
>>>Apparently the version of this on Ashanti's album has more of her on it.
>>>Well, it could hardly have less.
>>
>> Grin.
>>
>> Have you noticed how rare it is nowadays for urban artists to release solo
>> singles? They can't even use the excuse of extra entries in Guinness,
>> since it isn't being published ATM... :)
>
>It's just business, isn't it?
But with multi-credited songs, the artists share of the royalties will
get split between several people, rather than all to one...
>
>>>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
>>>Imani Coppola who was touted as a
>>>female
>>>equivalent to Beck a decade or so ago, though it never really materialised
>>>and she ended up with only a Number 32 single to show for it. This isn't
>>>yet
>>>her highest chart position, though.
>>
>> Huh? Since when does #26 not beat #32?
>
>It doesn't - she's appeared on a Top 20 single already.
Which one?
>
>>>> Solange #27,
>>>
>>>It's German for So Long, you know. What kind of issues must Matthew
>>>Knowles
>>>have to lumber his daughters with these names? ;-)
>>
>> I dare say fame & fortune offers *some* compensation... :)
>
>Yeah, the huge fortune of a Number 27 single, years into your career.
Well, you mentioned daughters, plural...
>
>>>> Keane #28,
>>
>> Give away something free, and almost anybody might give it a listen.
>
>Of course, and presumably that was part of the point. But people downloading
>it free haven't contributed to this chart position.
But will they subsequently buy the album?
>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Go Audio #41,
>>>
>>>If I had to guess, I'd say that this had sold much the same as their last
>>>one, but in a slightly tougher market.
>>
>> And with even less promo.
>
>Really? Were they going around telling people not to buy it?
Even *that* would at least let people know it existed...
>
>>>>Alphabeat (BF) #49,
>>>
>>>I suppose at least there isn't as much of the bloke on this one.
>>
>> Due out next Monday.
>
>Is he?
Grin.
>
>
>>>>Ray J #66,
>>>
>>>I can't see a physical release date for this, although I didn't look hard.
>>
>> It was originally scheduled for yesterday, but with the aforementioned HMV
>> issue, I have no idea what's been released this week.
>
>It's not on their website at all.
They've developed a sense of taste in what they stock, then?
>
>>>> Slipknot #69*,
>>>
>>>Up from last week's 76. Looks like an off chart run, but at this level its
>>>actual sales are probably fairly consistent.
>>
>> Consistently low...
>
>Well yes, but it's been selling at that sort of level for several weeks now,
>whereas normally you'd expect a metal track to sell strongly for one of two
>weeks and that tail of drastically.
Maybe it's used in an advert or TV show?
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
>>>
>>>Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
>>
>> Why is that weird?
>
>They don't seem the most obvious pairing.
I don't know - in 'We Cry', the Script attempted something resembling
rapping...
>At least the Script are on first, so N*E*R*D can wake the audience up and
>make sure they don't miss their train home.
Well, vomiting *does* usually wake people up... :)
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> New outside the top 20 : Levellers #24,
>>>A limited CD adds three extra songs and
>>>a
>>>video.
>>
>> But few extra sales, presumably.
>
>You say that, but it's their highest-charting album in almost ten years.
But album sales are pretty feeble ATM, so how meaningful is that chart
position?
>
>
>>>> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
>>>
>>>Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
>>
>> I haven't heard it yet.
>
>I couldn't stomach the whole thing, but it samples 'Here Come The Girls'.
Checking Youtube, I see what you mean - definitely not up to their usual
standards. It sounds like something that ought to be buried at the end
of an album, rather than being a lead-off single.
For their sake, they'll need something better for the 2nd single to
coincide with the Xmas market.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Top 20 : Automatic,
>>>
>>>If so it won't be automatic! Geddit???
>>
>> Actually, no.
>
>I mean, they're not the sort of band who can have Top 20 hits just because
>of who they are - demonstrably not as they've only had one of them so far.
Oh, right.
>
>>>>Fratellis,
>>>
>>>Are they paying you to say this or something?
>>
>> I wish...
>
>Why then?
Because then I'd get some money - duh! :)
>
>>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>
>>>Quite a hill to climb here, since past form doesn't mark her out as a big
>>>CD
>>>single seller.
>>
>> Well, not a front-loaded CD seller, anyway.
>
>It's not clear that she's any type of CD single seller, although we don't
>have exact figures here.
Well, Sweet About Me must have shifted a significant quantity.
>
>>>BTW, any idea why there's an "ITV 2-track" bundle on download?
>>
>> I didn't even know there *was* one...
>
>I only saw it yesterday. But what have ITV got to do with it?
Well, you seem to know more about it than I do...
>
>>>> Top 40 :
>>>
>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>
>>>The Biffy Clyro single's out on download, but I don't really know how
>>>it'll
>>>do.
>>
>> #12 on iTunes, so probably quite well.
>
>Well spotted!
T20 on mids - so physical sales next week should see it comfortably T10.
Haven't heard the song myself, though - guess it's Youtube time again...
Unexceptional - but then I've never been a fan of theirs.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while slightly
>>>
>>>And they're the sort of identity-free zone
>>
>> I don't know what that means.
>
>I mean they're a bunch of nobodys who make boring music, so they can be
>expected to sell steadily rather than swiftly.
You should be a pro music reviewer. :)
>
>>>
>>>>Madcon
>>>
>>>Not to be taken as read off one single, but it does seem to be selling
>>>even
>>>cheaper than Noah & The Whale's effort.
>>
>> Or *priced* cheaper - whether it'll *sell* is another matter...
>
>I'm sure that across the entire nation they'll manage to shift at least one
>copy.
From the mids, that looks like a good guess - just T150. :)
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 at 21:35:36, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Verve #4,
>>>>
>>>>I realise this was already true last week, but it's their fourth
>>>>consecutive
>>>>Top 10 single, ignoring the import CD single of 'Sonnet'. Which doesn't
>>>>stop
>>>>it sounding like a song from a Richard Ashcroft solo album.
>>>
>>> Not that there's any connection between the two, of course... :)
>>
>>Between which two?
>
> Richard Ashcroft & The Verve. :)
Ah... I see what you mean.
Still, what I was suggesting was that there is a difference in style and
(IMO) quality between the band and his solo work - and the fact that he
reformed the band twice would suggest that he'd noticed too, notwithstanding
the fact that parts of Urban Hymns started out as Ashcroft solo tracks.
>>>>>Rihanna #6,
>>>>
>>>>I'm aware that this is getting airplay, but I haven't heard much of it
>>>>myself yet.
>>>
>>> Only this week reached the airplay T50 though. These unexpected hits >
>>> must be a nightmare for playlist schedulers. :)
>>
>>Well, they don't have to play them.
>
> No - but if they don't play popular hits, they'll lose listeners to
> stations that will.
Well, yes up to a point, although it's a little bit more complicated than
that in practice. I'm sure Classic FM would lose more listeners than they
gained if they started playing this. ;-)
Seriously, a lot of commercial stations are still playing 'Take A Bow'.
>>>>> Bloc Party #16,
>>>
>>> Which wouldn't be a problem if they'd come up with something *good*.
>>
>>Who's got a problem?
>
> BP - with their new single under-performing.
Underperformance is in the eye of the beholder, though.
> BTW, have you heard they're rush-releasing their new album?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/19/new.bloc.party.album
Yes, I mentioned it in another thread that you might not have read.
Actually, I might just pop over and order mine now...
>>>>> Nelly ft A&A #17
>>>>
>>>>Apparently the version of this on Ashanti's album has more of her on it.
>>>>Well, it could hardly have less.
>>>
>>> Grin.
>>>
>>> Have you noticed how rare it is nowadays for urban artists to release
>>> solo
>>> singles? They can't even use the excuse of extra entries in Guinness,
>>> since it isn't being published ATM... :)
>>
>>It's just business, isn't it?
>
> But with multi-credited songs, the artists share of the royalties will get
> split between several people, rather than all to one...
Whether people get a royalty isn't soley dependent on the sleeve credit
though. In this case, presumably they've attached Ashanti's name so that it
promotes both her and Nelly to have this single out.
>>>>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
>
>>>>Imani Coppola who was touted as a
>>>>female
>>>>equivalent to Beck a decade or so ago, though it never really
>>>>materialised
>>>>and she ended up with only a Number 32 single to show for it. This isn't
>>>>yet
>>>>her highest chart position, though.
>>>
>>> Huh? Since when does #26 not beat #32?
>>
>>It doesn't - she's appeared on a Top 20 single already.
>
> Which one?
I told you, I'm saving my material for next week!
It's in JM's commentary if you really can't wait.
>>>>> Solange #27,
>>>>
>>>>It's German for So Long, you know. What kind of issues must Matthew
>>>>Knowles
>>>>have to lumber his daughters with these names? ;-)
>>>
>>> I dare say fame & fortune offers *some* compensation... :)
>>
>>Yeah, the huge fortune of a Number 27 single, years into your career.
>
> Well, you mentioned daughters, plural...
Yeah, and only one of them is really successful.
>>>>> Keane #28,
>>>
>>> Give away something free, and almost anybody might give it a listen.
>>
>>Of course, and presumably that was part of the point. But people
>>downloading
>>it free haven't contributed to this chart position.
>
> But will they subsequently buy the album?
That's what we'll have to wait and see. Obviously, some of them would have
anyway.
>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Go Audio #41,
>>>>
>>>>If I had to guess, I'd say that this had sold much the same as their
>>>>last
>>>>one, but in a slightly tougher market.
>>>
>>> And with even less promo.
>>
>>Really? Were they going around telling people not to buy it?
>
> Even *that* would at least let people know it existed...
Right, but I didn't think the situation was much different last time.
>>>>>Ray J #66,
>>>>
>>>>I can't see a physical release date for this, although I didn't look
>>>>hard.
>>>
>>> It was originally scheduled for yesterday, but with the aforementioned
>>> HMV
>>> issue, I have no idea what's been released this week.
>>
>>It's not on their website at all.
>
> They've developed a sense of taste in what they stock, then?
Looking at other evidence, it seems more plausible that it just isn't being
released.
>>>>> Slipknot #69*,
>>>>
>>>>Up from last week's 76. Looks like an off chart run, but at this level
>>>>its
>>>>actual sales are probably fairly consistent.
>>>
>>> Consistently low...
>>
>>Well yes, but it's been selling at that sort of level for several weeks
>>now,
>>whereas normally you'd expect a metal track to sell strongly for one of
>>two
>>weeks and that tail of drastically.
>
> Maybe it's used in an advert or TV show?
That crossed my mind, but it's not an obvious song to use in an ad.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
>>>>
>>>>Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
>>>
>>> Why is that weird?
>>
>>They don't seem the most obvious pairing.
>
> I don't know - in 'We Cry', the Script attempted something resembling >
> rapping...
They did, but that's not quite the same thing as succeeding.
>>At least the Script are on first, so N*E*R*D can wake the audience up and
>>make sure they don't miss their train home.
>
> Well, vomiting *does* usually wake people up... :)
Fair point. Maybe they won't sleep after all.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> New outside the top 20 : Levellers #24,
>
>>>>A limited CD adds three extra songs and
>>>>a
>>>>video.
>>>
>>> But few extra sales, presumably.
>>
>>You say that, but it's their highest-charting album in almost ten years.
>
> But album sales are pretty feeble ATM, so how meaningful is that chart
> position?
That alone wouldn't have made the difference between Number 102 and Number
24 though.
>>>>> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
>>>>
>>>>Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
>>>
>>> I haven't heard it yet.
>>
>>I couldn't stomach the whole thing, but it samples 'Here Come The Girls'.
>
> Checking Youtube, I see what you mean - definitely not up to their usual
> standards. It sounds like something that ought to be buried at the end of
> an album, rather than being a lead-off single.
I heard a bit of it on the radio. ;-(
> For their sake, they'll need something better for the 2nd single to
> coincide with the Xmas market.
Mind you, they released 'Ugly' at Christmas and got away with it.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>>Fratellis,
>>>>
>>>>Are they paying you to say this or something?
>>>
>>> I wish...
>>
>>Why then?
>
> Because then I'd get some money - duh! :)
I mean, why do you think people are going to buy it?
>>>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>
>>>>Quite a hill to climb here, since past form doesn't mark her out as a
>>>>big
>>>>CD
>>>>single seller.
>>>
>>> Well, not a front-loaded CD seller, anyway.
>>
>>It's not clear that she's any type of CD single seller, although we don't
>>have exact figures here.
>
> Well, Sweet About Me must have shifted a significant quantity.
Must it?
>>>>BTW, any idea why there's an "ITV 2-track" bundle on download?
>>>
>>> I didn't even know there *was* one...
>>
>>I only saw it yesterday. But what have ITV got to do with it?
>
> Well, you seem to know more about it than I do...
Of course, it could be a complete coincidence.
>>>>> Top 40 :
>>>>
>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>
>>>>The Biffy Clyro single's out on download, but I don't really know how
>>>>it'll
>>>>do.
>>>
>>> #12 on iTunes, so probably quite well.
>>
>>Well spotted!
>
> T20 on mids - so physical sales next week should see it comfortably T10.
>
> Haven't heard the song myself, though - guess it's Youtube time again...
I have but I don't really remember much.
> Unexceptional - but then I've never been a fan of theirs.
I think I like a couple of theirs.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while
>>>>> slightly
>>>>
>>>>And they're the sort of identity-free zone
>>>
>>> I don't know what that means.
>>
>>I mean they're a bunch of nobodys who make boring music, so they can be
>>expected to sell steadily rather than swiftly.
>
> You should be a pro music reviewer. :)
When it comes to them, I think I'm more of an anti-music reviewer...
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>> Not that there's any connection between the two, of course... :)
>>>
>>>Between which two?
>>
>> Richard Ashcroft & The Verve. :)
>
>Ah... I see what you mean.
>Still, what I was suggesting was that there is a difference in style and
>(IMO) quality between the band and his solo work
Can't say I've really noticed - they both sound like indie-rock to me.
>
>>>>>> Bloc Party #16,
>>>
>>>Who's got a problem?
>>
>> BP - with their new single under-performing.
>
>Underperformance is in the eye of the beholder, though.
The ear, surely? :)
>
>> BTW, have you heard they're rush-releasing their new album?
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/19/new.bloc.party.album
>
>Yes, I mentioned it in another thread that you might not have read.
>Actually, I might just pop over and order mine now...
Didn't we agree that it was *Oasis* fans who were the masochists? :)
Seriously though, you must be a big fan of theirs to buy the album,
regardless of seeming somewhat unconvinced by the first single.
Personally, I'll only buy an album off the back of one single if the
song is from my favoured genres and/or by an artist I really like.
Of course, nowadays you can almost inevitably listen to parts of most
album tracks on-line, before you decide whether or not to buy.
>
>>>>>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
>>>>
>>>> Huh? Since when does #26 not beat #32?
>>>
>>>It doesn't - she's appeared on a Top 20 single already.
>>
>> Which one?
>
>I told you, I'm saving my material for next week!
Ah, but if she doesn't climb, she won't get a mention in my
commentary...
>It's in JM's commentary if you really can't wait.
No-one seems to post that here nowadays - so I just did...
>
>>>>>>Ray J #66,
>>>>
>>>> It was originally scheduled for yesterday, but with the aforementioned
>>>> HMV
>>>> issue, I have no idea what's been released this week.
>
>Looking at other evidence, it seems more plausible that it just isn't being
>released.
BTW, I found out the local HMV was only closed because of a brief power
cut, so it was just bad luck my visit coincided with that.
I didn't see that Ray-J single on the shelves when I returned yesterday,
so I think it's safe to say the physical release isn't happening.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
>>>>>
>>>>>Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
>>>>
>>>> Why is that weird?
>>>
>>>They don't seem the most obvious pairing.
>>
>> I don't know - in 'We Cry', the Script attempted something resembling
>> rapping...
>
>They did, but that's not quite the same thing as succeeding.
That never stopped Robbie either, unfortunately.
>
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
>>>>>
>>>>>Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard it yet.
>>>
>>>I couldn't stomach the whole thing, but it samples 'Here Come The Girls'.
>>
>> Checking Youtube, I see what you mean - definitely not up to their usual
>> standards. It sounds like something that ought to be buried at the end of
>> an album, rather than being a lead-off single.
>
>I heard a bit of it on the radio. ;-(
>
>> For their sake, they'll need something better for the 2nd single to
>> coincide with the Xmas market.
>
>Mind you, they released 'Ugly' at Christmas and got away with it.
Well, even *that* was better than 'Here Come The Girls'...
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>Fratellis,
>>>>>
>I mean, why do you think people are going to buy it?
The fanbase effect?
>
>>>>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>
>>>It's not clear that she's any type of CD single seller, although we don't
>>>have exact figures here.
>>
>> Well, Sweet About Me must have shifted a significant quantity.
>
>Must it?
Well, *I* bought it - long before it really took off, too.
>>>
>>>I only saw it yesterday. But what have ITV got to do with it?
>>
>> Well, you seem to know more about it than I do...
>
>Of course, it could be a complete coincidence.
I got the CD single yesterday - and the b-sides include an unusual
up-tempo version of 'Fly Me To The Moon'. :)
>
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> The Script may hold onto the #1 spot, as the competition, while
>>>>>> slightly
>>>>>
>>>>>And they're the sort of identity-free zone
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what that means.
>>>
>>>I mean they're a bunch of nobodys who make boring music, so they can be
>>>expected to sell steadily rather than swiftly.
>>
>> You should be a pro music reviewer. :)
>
>When it comes to them, I think I'm more of an anti-music reviewer...
Grin.
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 at 19:14:19, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that there's any connection between the two, of course... :)
>>>>
>>>>Between which two?
>>>
>>> Richard Ashcroft & The Verve. :)
>>
>>Ah... I see what you mean.
>>Still, what I was suggesting was that there is a difference in style and
>>(IMO) quality between the band and his solo work
>
> Can't say I've really noticed - they both sound like indie-rock to me.
Well, yes, but then Cascada and the Aphex Twin both sound like dance music
and I can usually still tell them apart.
Also, as I said most of the Verve's best-known hits are almost solo Ashcroft
anyway, so that doesn't necessarily make for an entirely accurate
comparison.
>>>>>>> Bloc Party #16,
>>>>
>>>>Who's got a problem?
>>>
>>> BP - with their new single under-performing.
>>
>>Underperformance is in the eye of the beholder, though.
>
> The ear, surely? :)
Not if we're talking about commercial underperformance.
Who's to say that they're not happy with this?
>>> BTW, have you heard they're rush-releasing their new album?
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/19/new.bloc.party.album
>>
>>Yes, I mentioned it in another thread that you might not have read.
>>Actually, I might just pop over and order mine now...
>
> Didn't we agree that it was *Oasis* fans who were the masochists? :)
>
> Seriously though, you must be a big fan of theirs to buy the album,
> regardless of seeming somewhat unconvinced by the first single.
Who said that? I bought the thing - in fact I even tried two different
branches of HMV to see if I could find the 7".
Of course, if I'd known I could get the album this soon I might not have
needed to.
> Personally, I'll only buy an album off the back of one single if the song
> is from my favoured genres and/or by an artist I really like.
Well, this is certainly bang into favourite genre, but obviously I hate more
of any genre than I like. However, I've enjoyed the first two albums and I'm
possibly the only person who likes the single, so I thought it worth the
risk.
> Of course, nowadays you can almost inevitably listen to parts of most
> album tracks on-line, before you decide whether or not to buy.
Although that wasn't the case here - at least not last night.
>>>>>>> Top 30 : Little Jackie #26,
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Since when does #26 not beat #32?
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't - she's appeared on a Top 20 single already.
>>>
>>> Which one?
>>
>>I told you, I'm saving my material for next week!
>
> Ah, but if she doesn't climb, she won't get a mention in my commentary...
If they don't climb next week, they might still do so when the physical
comes out. And if not, well that's just a risk I have to take.
>>It's in JM's commentary if you really can't wait.
>
> No-one seems to post that here nowadays - so I just did...
It seems a bit less relevant now there's a comments facility built in (see
if you can spot mine!).
>>>>>>>Ray J #66,
>>>>>
>>>>> It was originally scheduled for yesterday, but with the aforementioned
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> The Script see their first album enter at the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Weirdly, they're on tour with N*E*R*D later this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is that weird?
>>>>
>>>>They don't seem the most obvious pairing.
>>>
>>> I don't know - in 'We Cry', the Script attempted something resembling
>>> rapping...
>>
>>They did, but that's not quite the same thing as succeeding.
>
> That never stopped Robbie either, unfortunately.
It did stop him going on tour with any serious hip-hop acts though.
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>> Sugababes (Ch) #71,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because people have heard how bad the new single is?
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't heard it yet.
>>>>
>>>>I couldn't stomach the whole thing, but it samples 'Here Come The
>>>>Girls'.
>>>
>>> Checking Youtube, I see what you mean - definitely not up to their usual
>>> standards. It sounds like something that ought to be buried at the end
>>> of
>>> an album, rather than being a lead-off single.
>>
>>I heard a bit of it on the radio. ;-(
>>
>>> For their sake, they'll need something better for the 2nd single to
>>> coincide with the Xmas market.
>>
>>Mind you, they released 'Ugly' at Christmas and got away with it.
>
> Well, even *that* was better than 'Here Come The Girls'...
I'd give it the nod as being worse, because it had that extra preachiness
about it.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>Fratellis,
>>>>>>
>>I mean, why do you think people are going to buy it?
>
> The fanbase effect?
If the fanbase couldn't get the first single from the album into the Top 20,
it's not going to happen now.
>>>>>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>>
>>>>It's not clear that she's any type of CD single seller, although we
>>>>don't
>>>>have exact figures here.
>>>
>>> Well, Sweet About Me must have shifted a significant quantity.
>>
>>Must it?
>
> Well, *I* bought it - long before it really took off, too.
OK, so it sold one copy... ;-)
>>>>I only saw it yesterday. But what have ITV got to do with it?
>>>
>>> Well, you seem to know more about it than I do...
>>
>>Of course, it could be a complete coincidence.
>
> I got the CD single yesterday - and the b-sides include an unusual
> up-tempo version of 'Fly Me To The Moon'. :)
What's unusual about that?
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>Between which two?
>>>>
>>>> Richard Ashcroft & The Verve. :)
>>>
>>>Ah... I see what you mean.
>>>Still, what I was suggesting was that there is a difference in style and
>>>(IMO) quality between the band and his solo work
>>
>> Can't say I've really noticed - they both sound like indie-rock to me.
>
>Well, yes, but then Cascada and the Aphex Twin both sound like dance music
>and I can usually still tell them apart.
Because Natalie Horler is a lot more attractive, and less profane? :)
>
>>>>>>>> Bloc Party #16,
>>>
>>>Underperformance is in the eye of the beholder, though.
>>
>> The ear, surely? :)
>
>Not if we're talking about commercial underperformance.
>Who's to say that they're not happy with this?
Then why are they rush-releasing their album?
>>
>> Seriously though, you must be a big fan of theirs to buy the album,
>> regardless of seeming somewhat unconvinced by the first single.
>
>Who said that?
Well, you seemed less enthusiastic than usual about a new BP release...
> I bought the thing - in fact I even tried two different
>branches of HMV to see if I could find the 7".
Alternative b-sides?
>Of course, if I'd known I could get the album this soon I might not have
>needed to.
In other words, they suckered you (amongst many other fans)?
>
>> Personally, I'll only buy an album off the back of one single if the song
>> is from my favoured genres and/or by an artist I really like.
>
>Well, this is certainly bang into favourite genre, but obviously I hate more
>of any genre than I like. However, I've enjoyed the first two albums and I'm
>possibly the only person who likes the single
Well, you & around 7.5k others anyway...
>, so I thought it worth the
>risk.
At least you'll be able to tell me if their are better potential singles
on there.
>
>>>It's in JM's commentary if you really can't wait.
>>
>> No-one seems to post that here nowadays - so I just did...
>
>It seems a bit less relevant now there's a comments facility built in
I only ever visit that site for the download chart - I never remember to
check the commentary.
>(see
>if you can spot mine!).
I couldn't.
>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>> Sugababes
>>>Mind you, they released 'Ugly' at Christmas and got away with it.
>>
>> Well, even *that* was better than 'Here Come The Girls'...
>
>I'd give it the nod as being worse, because it had that extra preachiness
>about it.
BTW, it seems to be titled just 'Girls'.
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>
>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>
>> I got the CD single yesterday - and the b-sides include an unusual
>> up-tempo version of 'Fly Me To The Moon'. :)
>
>What's unusual about that?
Because it's usually a slow song - think Frank Sinatra or any of the
other old crooners.
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 at 21:50:58, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Between which two?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Underperformance is in the eye of the beholder, though.
>>>
>>> The ear, surely? :)
>>
>>Not if we're talking about commercial underperformance.
>>Who's to say that they're not happy with this?
>
> Then why are they rush-releasing their album?
I don't really see the connection (even if we assume that they made the
decision that recently) because if there was any logic there, it'd be to
rush out another single before the album.
>>> Seriously though, you must be a big fan of theirs to buy the album,
>>> regardless of seeming somewhat unconvinced by the first single.
>>
>>Who said that?
>
> Well, you seemed less enthusiastic than usual about a new BP >release...
I didn't like them at all to start with to be honest.
You're right that I wasn't quite as into this on release day as 'The Prayer'
or 'Flux' although of course I hadn't had as much time to get used to it.
>> I bought the thing - in fact I even tried two different
>>branches of HMV to see if I could find the 7".
>
> Alternative b-sides?
Yes. Actually the 7" has the only B-side; the CD is all mixes and the 12" is
just the 12" versions.
>>Of course, if I'd known I could get the album this soon I might not have
>>needed to.
>
> In other words, they suckered you (amongst many other fans)?
I'd like to say that, but realistically I probably would have bought it
anyway. I'd definitely have got the 7" if I'd seen it, and failing that I'd
have bought the B-side anyway.
>>> Personally, I'll only buy an album off the back of one single if the
>>> song
>>> is from my favoured genres and/or by an artist I really like.
>>
>>Well, this is certainly bang into favourite genre, but obviously I hate
>>more
>>of any genre than I like. However, I've enjoyed the first two albums and
>>I'm
>>possibly the only person who likes the single
>
> Well, you & around 7.5k others anyway...
The official figure is nearer 7.6k (especially if you add me!) but
realistically I don't think you can assume that they were all different
people. Or that they all liked it.
>>, so I thought it worth the
>>risk.
>
> At least you'll be able to tell me if their are better potential singles
> on there.
I've only listened once so far, but I can confirm that not all of it sounds
like 'Mercury'. I can also confirm that all the song titles show up in
Japanese on my MP3 player.
Blocparty.net tips the track 'Halo' as having single potential.
>>>>It's in JM's commentary if you really can't wait.
>>>
>>> No-one seems to post that here nowadays - so I just did...
>>
>>It seems a bit less relevant now there's a comments facility built in
>
> I only ever visit that site for the download chart - I never remember to
> check the commentary.
>
>>(see
>>if you can spot mine!).
>
> I couldn't.
I haven't yet worked out how to give myself a recogniseable name on there
(other than my email address, which I'd rather not use).
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>> Sugababes
>
>>>>Mind you, they released 'Ugly' at Christmas and got away with it.
>>>
>>> Well, even *that* was better than 'Here Come The Girls'...
>>
>>I'd give it the nod as being worse, because it had that extra preachiness
>>about it.
>
> BTW, it seems to be titled just 'Girls'.
At least they can probably be confident that it will chart higher than the
Nizlopi song of the same title.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Gabriella Cilmi (STL)
>>>
>>> I got the CD single yesterday - and the b-sides include an unusual
>>> up-tempo version of 'Fly Me To The Moon'. :)
>>
>>What's unusual about that?
>
> Because it's usually a slow song - think Frank Sinatra or any of the other
> old crooners.
I wouldn't actually describe his version as slow, although I agree - having
now heard a bit of hers - that it's not quite as fast. I guess Bobby
Womack's is closer to her approach.
And I'm happy to say that I have no idea what tempo Westlife sang it in.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>> Seriously though, you must be a big fan of theirs to buy the album,
>>>> regardless of seeming somewhat unconvinced by the first single.
>>>
>>>Who said that?
>>
>> Well, you seemed less enthusiastic than usual about a new BP >release...
>
>I didn't like them at all to start with to be honest.
>You're right that I wasn't quite as into this on release day as 'The Prayer'
>or 'Flux' although of course I hadn't had as much time to get used to it.
But it's grown on you now, though?
>
>>> I bought the thing - in fact I even tried two different
>>>branches of HMV to see if I could find the 7".
>>
>> Alternative b-sides?
>
>Yes. Actually the 7" has the only B-side; the CD is all mixes and the 12" is
>just the 12" versions.
If I had been inclined to buy it in the first place, I might have
thought twice, given the above.
>
>>>I've enjoyed the first two albums and
>>>I'm
>>>possibly the only person who likes the single
>>
>> Well, you & around 7.5k others anyway...
>
>The official figure is nearer 7.6k (especially if you add me!) but
>realistically I don't think you can assume that they were all different
>people. Or that they all liked it.
I can understand people buying all formats of a single if they like it,
but if/when someone buys a song they don't like just to keep up a
collection...?
>
>>>, so I thought it worth the
>>>risk.
>>
>> At least you'll be able to tell me if their are better potential singles
>> on there.
>
>I've only listened once so far, but I can confirm that not all of it sounds
>like 'Mercury'. I can also confirm that all the song titles show up in
>Japanese on my MP3 player.
Err... OK. :)
>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Sugababes
>>
>> BTW, it seems to be titled just 'Girls'.
>
>At least they can probably be confident that it will chart higher than the
>Nizlopi song of the same title.
Grin.
Chris Brown
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 at 18:00:24, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>> Seriously though, you must be a big fan of theirs to buy the album,
>>>>> regardless of seeming somewhat unconvinced by the first single.
>>>>
>>>>Who said that?
>>>
>>> Well, you seemed less enthusiastic than usual about a new BP >release...
>>
>>I didn't like them at all to start with to be honest.
>>You're right that I wasn't quite as into this on release day as 'The
>>Prayer'
>>or 'Flux' although of course I hadn't had as much time to get used to it.
>
> But it's grown on you now, though?
Yes. I still don't like it as much as 'The Prayer' but that is quite a big
favourite of mine.
>>>> I bought the thing - in fact I even tried two different
>>>>branches of HMV to see if I could find the 7".
>>>
>>> Alternative b-sides?
>>
>>Yes. Actually the 7" has the only B-side; the CD is all mixes and the 12"
>>is
>>just the 12" versions.
>
> If I had been inclined to buy it in the first place, I might have thought
> twice, given the above.
Well, I'd have preferred the 7" version in any case, so it wasn't such a big
concern for me.
>>>>I've enjoyed the first two albums and
>>>>I'm
>>>>possibly the only person who likes the single
>>>
>>> Well, you & around 7.5k others anyway...
>>
>>The official figure is nearer 7.6k (especially if you add me!) but
>>realistically I don't think you can assume that they were all different
>>people. Or that they all liked it.
>
> I can understand people buying all formats of a single if they like it,
Which I'm obviously implying that some people did.
> but if/when someone buys a song they don't like just to keep up a
> collection...?
I suppose it's no weirder than collecting anything else...
But you're right, I don't suppose very many people will have done that - and
fewer still would do it more than once. However, I'd guess that total
includes people who like it and bought all three, plus people who weren't
too keen but bought one version. Maybe if you were a really big fan of one
of the remixers you might get the CD?
>>>>, so I thought it worth the
>>>>risk.
>>>
>>> At least you'll be able to tell me if their are better potential singles
>>> on there.
>>
>>I've only listened once so far, but I can confirm that not all of it
>>sounds
>>like 'Mercury'. I can also confirm that all the song titles show up in
>>Japanese on my MP3 player.
>
> Err... OK. :)
The 'Mercury' single tracks do that as well. I don't really know why.
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Sugababes
>>>
>>> BTW, it seems to be titled just 'Girls'.
>>
>>At least they can probably be confident that it will chart higher than the
>>Nizlopi song of the same title.
>
> Grin.
I was going to make some reference to Calvin Harris but it turns out his hit
was called 'The Girls'
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>Yes. Actually the 7" has the only B-side; the CD is all mixes and the 12"
>>>is
>>>just the 12" versions.
>>
>> If I had been inclined to buy it in the first place, I might have thought
>> twice, given the above.
>
>Well, I'd have preferred the 7" version in any case, so it wasn't such a big
>concern for me.
I'll only buy a CD with mixes, rather than a proper b-side, if it's a
dance track.
>
>> but if/when someone buys a song they don't like just to keep up a
>> collection...?
>
>I suppose it's no weirder than collecting anything else...
But in those cases, you usually stick to collecting things you *like*...
>
>>>
>>>I've only listened once so far, but I can confirm that not all of it
>>>sounds
>>>like 'Mercury'. I can also confirm that all the song titles show up in
>>>Japanese on my MP3 player.
>>
>> Err... OK. :)
>
>The 'Mercury' single tracks do that as well. I don't really know why.
Well, at least you can edit them back to English - as long as you know
what the English track names *are*, of course...
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 at 18:35:31, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>Yes. Actually the 7" has the only B-side; the CD is all mixes and the
>>>>12"
>>>>is
>>>>just the 12" versions.
>>>
>>> If I had been inclined to buy it in the first place, I might have
>>> thought
>>> twice, given the above.
>>
>>Well, I'd have preferred the 7" version in any case, so it wasn't such a
>> >>big
>>concern for me.
>
> I'll only buy a CD with mixes, rather than a proper b-side, if it's a
> dance track.
Although this almost is. Do you actually dislike dance B-sides, or is it
just because virtually all dance singles are mix-only packages?
>>> but if/when someone buys a song they don't like just to keep up a
>>> collection...?
>>
>>I suppose it's no weirder than collecting anything else...
>
> But in those cases, you usually stick to collecting things you *like*...
I don't know about that actually - do stamp collectors only collect the
stamps they like or do they try to get complete sets? I'd have thought the
latter if anything.
As I said though, I think most fans will probably "forgive" a favourite band
one or two singles they don't like much, if only in the hope that they'll
grow on them. But yes, there is a limit somewhere.
>>>>I've only listened once so far, but I can confirm that not all of it
>>>>sounds
>>>>like 'Mercury'. I can also confirm that all the song titles show up in
>>>>Japanese on my MP3 player.
>>>
>>> Err... OK. :)
>>
>>The 'Mercury' single tracks do that as well. I don't really know why.
>
> Well, at least you can edit them back to English - as long as you know
> what the English track names *are*, of course...
When I view them on the computer, they actually do show up in English (I
suppose titles like 'Zephyrus' aren't exactly English, but they are in the
Roman alphabet) - and even when I browse them they do, it's just the display
while they're actually playing that's odd - so I don't entirely know what
the deal is. But it's not a big problem. I suppose I could re-rip them from
the CD when it arrives.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> I'll only buy a CD with mixes, rather than a proper b-side, if it's a
>> dance track.
>
>Although this almost is. Do you actually dislike dance B-sides, or is it
>just because virtually all dance singles are mix-only packages?
Hard to remember one that's had a proper b-side!
>
>>
>> Well, at least you can edit them back to English - as long as you know
>> what the English track names *are*, of course...
>
>When I view them on the computer, they actually do show up in English (I
>suppose titles like 'Zephyrus' aren't exactly English, but they are in the
>Roman alphabet) - and even when I browse them they do, it's just the display
>while they're actually playing that's odd - so I don't entirely know what
>the deal is.
Certainly sounds weird!