Chart Commentary 19/7/08
Paul Hyett
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A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Basshunter #2, Ironik #5, Kid Rock #6
Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17, Nickelback #18
Top 30 : Kooks #25, Sharleen Spiteri #26, Last Shadow Puppets #30
Top 40 : none
Re-entries T40 : none
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Usher #50, Jay Sean
#59, Ultrabeat/Darren Styles #69
Re-entries : Sugababes (AYN) #47, Wombats #48, Black Kids #60, Go Goo
Dolls #66, Utah Saints #74
Albums
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Coldplay hold on for their 5th week at #1
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Black Kids #5, Beck #9
Top 20 : none
New outside the top 20 : Paul Heaton #43, Jordin Sparks #51, Alkaline
Trio #52, Freemasons #58, Tricky #63, Stone Gods #67, Unkle #70
Re-entries : Abba (18H) #54, Take That (BW) #69, Sugababes (Ch) #71,
Queen (GH123) #72
Other notable moves : Abba (GGH) 43-12, LSP 40-15, Gabriella Cilmi 34-20
Next Week
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Singles
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I suspect Dizzee will hold on at #1, though McFly will surely make their
usual one-week-only challenge.
Top 5 : McFly, Kid Rock,
Top 10 : Madonna, Ting Tings
Top 20 :
Top 30 : Hot Chip, Linkin Park
Top 40 : Annie, Feeling, Jack McManus, Usher, One Night Only
Any other possibilities?
Albums
------
Surely Coldplay can't manage a 6th week at #1?
In their favour though, the crop of new releases once again look
mediocre.
Top 10 NE : Basshunter, Sharleen Spiteri
Top 20 NE : Gary Numan
Others : Carla Brunni, Charlatans, Nas, Vines
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> Singles
> -------
> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently, even to the
spelling of the title (which doesn't particularly reflect how it's
pronounced).
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Basshunter #2,
In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be followed
by a Top 75 miss, he's managed a big follow-up to a Number One single.
It still isn't any cop though - it reminds me slightly of the Vengaboys but
less good.
Apparently the video is a sequel to that of 'Now You're Gone'.
> Ironik #5,
Just a one-place climb there, so possibly not a great increase in sales.
>Kid Rock #6
Out tomorrow on CD. Already by far his highest-charting single here of
course.
> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
She could just have put up a poster saying "I'm not middle-aged!"
> Nickelback #18
OK, so a different song is being used in an advert. What's this, reflected
glory?
> Top 30 : Kooks #25,
Once tipped as a potentially big hit for them, and to be fair it seems to
have revived the album somewhat. But on the singles chart it's their
smallest hit since 'Sofa Song' back in 2005 (unless it can progress several
positions further, which seems unlikely).
The live version they played tonight was a bit better than the record
though.
> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
Debut solo hit from the Texas leader, which shows more of the soul influence
that appeared in some of her work with the band.
That style happens to be in vogue at the moment, and the song has been a
major airplay hit, but the days of big-selling singles are probably behind
her.
Apparently her middle name is Eugene.
>Last Shadow Puppets #30
Second single from the side-project duo, and I think I'm right in saying
this is Alex Turner's lowest-charting proper single; it is of course doing a
lot better than anything the Rascals have ever released.
> Top 40 : none
Bit boring in the lower end.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Usher #50,
Presumably not shaping up to be one of his biggest hits, although I don't
know when the remix is released.
>Jay Sean #59,
So, the fans who put this last two singles into the Top 20 with minimal
exposure have all got the album now.
>Ultrabeat/Darren Styles #69
Out on CD on the 28th, IIRC.
> Re-entries : Sugababes (AYN) #47,
If you're wondering (I certainly was!) it was used in an episode of
Hollyoaks. I probably shouldn't say where in case somebody who reads this
has taped it.
> Wombats #48,
What better way to follow the re-release of 'Moving To New York' and the
re-release of 'Backfire At The Disco' than the re-release of 'Kill The
Director'?
Well, pretty much anything. Even if this song was any good, it's about time
they came up with some new ones.
>Black Kids #60,
Album related.
> Go Goo Dolls #66,
A song that was pretty much made for rubbishy TV shows that need to tell you
how to feel, so it's probably been in one again. Unless loads of people are
downloading 'Stay With You'.
> Utah Saints #74
Rebounding from last week's 83.
Also noteworthy: NERD are back at 41. It's arguably their best work in a
long time, and certainly better than Pharrell's ill-fated solo career; but
the drug references have proved predictable toxic to radio.
Given that it was popular enough to reach Number 41 when it first appeared
as a download, it was perhaps mistake not to make it available before the
album was released.
> Albums
> ------
> Coldplay hold on for their 5th week at #1
No changes there then. Have you noticed how they always shift the album
chart around the show to meet up with a Coldplay single?
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Black Kids #5,
Debut set from the hyped Florida band, produced by Bernard Butler.
The big hit 'I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend...' is naturally here, as is
the less popular follow-up 'Hurricane Jane' (the omen they should have
noted: only one song with 'Hurricane' in the title has ever gone Top 30).
Most of the other eight songs have titles too awful to contemplate.
> Beck #9
A good start to his new UK deal with XL, Modern Guilt is his
highest-charting album ever in this country, even without the benefit of a
hit single.
Produced by Danger Mouse, it's also relatively brief at 34 minutes.
> New outside the top 20 : Paul Heaton #43,
Second solo album from the Housemartins/Beautiful South mainman, now back
with Universal.
His first effort, Fat Chance was originally credited to Biscuit Boy and
climbed no higher than 95 - in apparent desperation, it was susequently
re-issued under Heaton's own name and did even worse.
A deluxe album adds two more tracks, as is often the way.
>Jordin Sparks #51,
Despite one massive hit and another Top 75 entry, the album's not proving so
easy to shift. Obviously, this could change.
> Alkaline Trio #52,
Sixth studio album from the Chicago group and their first since moving to
major labels. A limited edition double-CD adds bonus acoustic tracks - but
this is still less successful than their previous two, which went Top 40.
> Freemasons #58,
A repackaged version of last year's album with an extra track and some extra
bits of the songs on CD-ROM so you can mix it yourself. If you can't be
bothered, HMV have a version with some additional remixes.
>Tricky #63,
His eigth studio album, and first for Domino, returns him to the Top 75 for
the first time in seven years.
The title Knowle West Boy refers to the area of Bristol where he was born,
but apart from that he's as difficult to understand as ever. The album
includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover versions, in
this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
>Stone Gods #67,
The Darkness minus the two members anyone can remember (ie Justin Hawkins
and that bass player with the funny moustache).
> Unkle #70
Exactly one year on from their last album, they're back with another new
disc and another guest spot from Josh Homme.
Music from this album is apparently used in the new X-Files movie.
> Re-entries : Abba (18H) #54,
Actually I don't think this is a re-entry - it's been available for several
years, but AFAICT it's never charted higher than 79 before. That's probably
because the title takes some artistic licence and there's no shortage of
competition - by my reckoning this is their ninth charting compilation and
several of the previous ones are still on sale.
>Take That (BW) #69,
Have people been leaving their copies on the bus or something?
>Sugababes (Ch) #71,
Presumably re-charting for the same reason as the single.
> Queen (GH123) #72
Presumably not recharting because people want the 1999 mix of 'Under
Pressure'.
> Other notable moves : Abba (GGH) 43-12,
You don't have to throw up, they weren't all that bad!
Seriously, I wonder whether they'll re-release More Abba Gold again?
Meanwhile, the film soundtrack has presumably been relegated to the
compilation chart.
> LSP 40-15,
Cleverly repromoted off the back of the single.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> I suspect Dizzee will hold on at #1, though McFly will surely make their >
> usual one-week-only challenge.
I think I agree, assuming that Mr Rascal had a fairly commanding lead.
> Top 5 : McFly,
Almost certainly still Top 3 IMO.
>Kid Rock,
Probably not in contention for the very top (this week at any rate) since he
won't be able to compete with McFly or Dizzee on physicals and he seems a
little too far back on downloads (though he's runner-up at Itunes tonight).
> Top 10 : Madonna,
It certainly won't lack publicity!
> Ting Tings
It's slipped back this week though.
> Top 30 : Hot Chip,
Unless you know something I don't, they're not releasing a single tomorrow.
And even if they were the last one flopped.
> Linkin Park
I have seen literally no promo for this, although it does seem to have
helped the album a little.
> Top 40 : Annie,
Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
>Feeling,
As I said last week, this only makes sense on the Hard-Fi precedent.
>Jack McManus,
I haven't got a confirmed release date for this, and his last one couldn't
manage it.
> Usher,
Possibly, if the remix does become available.
> One Night Only
If they're lucky.
> Any other possibilities?
Most obviously, Primal Scream who had the biggest hit of their career with
the lead single from their previous album. Not that this will be that big,
of course.
> Albums
> ------
> Surely Coldplay can't manage a 6th week at #1?
They only have to sell more than everyone else.
> In their favour though, the crop of new releases once again look mediocre.
Summer, eh?
> Top 10 NE : Basshunter,
Fairly easy to imagine in the current climate for dance albums.
>Sharleen Spiteri
About right.
> Top 20 NE : Gary Numan
I can see this on the release list, but according to the online stores it
was released two years ago.
> Others : Carla Brunni,
Obviously, she is in some ways much higher-profile than when her last album
came out - but how much of that has affected her musical career I'm not
sure.
> Charlatans,
This is only a BBC sessions compilation (and presumably second choice at
that!) and it normally takes a bigger act than they now are to chart those.
>Nas,
Possibly.
>Vines
Who even knows they're still going? I didn't.
In fact even the record company don't seem to have noticed, as it's only
coming out on import.
Meanwhile, FWIW The Hold Steady are Number 2 on the Amazon pre-release
chart. And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
>
>Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently
More so than the Ting Tings?
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Basshunter #2,
>
>In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be followed
>by a Top 75 miss
Is that actually backed up by stats, though?
>, he's managed a big follow-up to a Number One single.
'He'? Is he another individual pretending to be a group, then?
>
>> Ironik #5,
>
>Just a one-place climb there, so possibly not a great increase in sales.
Or possibly not one at all...
>
>>Kid Rock #6
>
>Out tomorrow on CD. Already by far his highest-charting single here of
>course.
#2 on iTunes, last time I looked.
>
>> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
>
>She could just have put up a poster saying "I'm not middle-aged!"
I'm surprised this hasn't done better, though she should get
above-average physical sales this week, of course.
>
>> Nickelback #18
>
>OK, so a different song is being used in an advert. What's this, reflected
>glory?
I have no idea why this suddenly climbed.
>
>> Top 30 : Kooks #25,
>
>Once tipped as a potentially big hit for them
Presumably before anyone heard it? :)
>
>> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
>
>Debut solo hit from the Texas leader, which shows more of the soul influence
>that appeared in some of her work with the band.
>Apparently her middle name is Eugene.
I was surprised to learn that her name is the one she was given by her
parents - I always assumed it was a stage name.
>
>> Top 40 : none
>
>Bit boring in the lower end.
*Just* there? :)
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Usher #50,
>
>Presumably not shaping up to be one of his biggest hits, although I don't
>know when the remix is released.
Physical release due next Monday.
>
>> Re-entries : Sugababes (AYN) #47,
>
>If you're wondering (I certainly was!) it was used in an episode of
>Hollyoaks.
I just assumed they played at one or more festivals.
>
>> Wombats #48,
>
>What better way to follow the re-release of 'Moving To New York' and the
>re-release of 'Backfire At The Disco' than the re-release of 'Kill The
>Director'?
>Well, pretty much anything. Even if this song was any good, it's about time
>they came up with some new ones.
Like a remix of 'Lets Dance To Joy Division', you mean? :)
>
>>Black Kids #60,
>
>Album related.
Or festival?
>
>> Go Goo Dolls #66,
>
>A song that was pretty much made for rubbishy TV shows that need to tell you
>how to feel, so it's probably been in one again. Unless loads of people are
>downloading 'Stay With You'.
It's been a very steady download-seller.
>
>Also noteworthy: NERD are back at 41. It's arguably their best work in a
>long time
It's been their *only* work...
>, and certainly better than Pharrell's ill-fated solo career; but
>the drug references have proved predictable toxic to radio.
Didn't hurt Nickelback...
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Coldplay hold on for their 5th week at #1
>
>No changes there then. Have you noticed how they always shift the album
>chart around the show to meet up with a Coldplay single?
Well, not *just* Coldplay - they do that with other artists too.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Black Kids #5,
>
>Debut set from the hyped Florida band, produced by Bernard Butler.
>The big hit 'I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend...' is naturally here, as is
>the less popular follow-up 'Hurricane Jane' (the omen they should have
>noted: only one song with 'Hurricane' in the title has ever gone Top 30).
Doesn't Katrina & the Waves count?
[OK, I know that was the name of the band, not a song, but how could I
let that one go?] :)
>
>> Beck #9
>
>A good start to his new UK deal with XL, Modern Guilt is his
>highest-charting album ever in this country, even without the benefit of a
>hit single.
But with his highest first-week sales, I wonder?
>
>> New outside the top 20 : Paul Heaton #43,
>
>A deluxe album adds two more tracks, as is often the way.
Well, you don't get many deluxe albums that have *fewer* tracks... :)
>
>>Jordin Sparks #51,
>
>Despite one massive hit and another Top 75 entry, the album's not proving so
>easy to shift. Obviously, this could change.
Well, they've already tried TV adverts...
>
>> Freemasons #58,
>
>A repackaged version of last year's album with an extra track and some extra
>bits of the songs on CD-ROM so you can mix it yourself. If you can't be
>bothered, HMV have a version with some additional remixes.
Last time it peaked at just #80.
>
>>Tricky #63,
>The album
>includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover versions, in
>this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
Blasphemy! :)
>
>>Stone Gods #67,
>
>The Darkness minus the two members anyone can remember (ie Justin Hawkins
>and that bass player with the funny moustache).
So that would be just one, then. :)
>
>> Re-entries : Abba (18H) #54,
>
>Actually I don't think this is a re-entry - it's been available for several
>years, but AFAICT it's never charted higher than 79 before.
Incorrect - it reached #46 on 27/1/07.
>
>>Take That (BW) #69,
>
>Have people been leaving their copies on the bus or something?
They tried - but no-one would take them, so the bus company returned
them... :)
>
>
>> Other notable moves : Abba (GGH) 43-12,
>
>You don't have to throw up, they weren't all that bad!
Huh?
>Meanwhile, the film soundtrack has presumably been relegated to the
>compilation chart.
I guess.
>
>> LSP 40-15,
>
>Cleverly repromoted off the back of the single.
Yes, what an original tactic...
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> I suspect Dizzee will hold on at #1, though McFly will surely make their >
>> usual one-week-only challenge.
>
>I think I agree, assuming that Mr Rascal had a fairly commanding lead.
Alas.
>
>> Top 5 : McFly,
>
>Almost certainly still Top 3 IMO.
Unless fans wait for the 'free' album next Sunday.
>
>>Kid Rock,
>
>Probably not in contention for the very top (this week at any rate) since he
>won't be able to compete with McFly or Dizzee on physicals
But OTOH, McFly won't sell downloads...
>
>> Top 10 :
>
>> Ting Tings
>
>It's slipped back this week though.
I couldn't understand that.
>
>> Top 30 : Hot Chip,
>
>Unless you know something I don't, they're not releasing a single tomorrow.
Well they were, according to *last* week's release schedule - but it
does seem to have gone AWOL from this week's.
>
>> Linkin Park
>
>I have seen literally no promo for this, although it does seem to have
>helped the album a little.
Surely their Busta Rhymes 'duet' would be more responsible for that?
>
>> Top 40 : Annie,
>
>Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
I hope you're wrong!
>
>>Jack McManus,
>
>I haven't got a confirmed release date for this
As per reply re Hot Chip...
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>Most obviously, Primal Scream who had the biggest hit of their career with
>the lead single from their previous album.
But that only seemed like a few months ago!
>Not that this will be that big,
>of course.
Especially with virtually no publicity.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Surely Coldplay can't manage a 6th week at #1?
>
>They only have to sell more than everyone else.
No kidding...
>
>> Top 10 NE : Basshunter,
>
>Fairly easy to imagine in the current climate for dance albums.
Plus a pair of top 2 hits should help!
>
>>Sharleen Spiteri
>
>About right.
Wikipedia claims she has a large lesbian fanbase.
>
>> Others :
>
>> Charlatans,
>
>This is only a BBC sessions compilation (and presumably second choice at
>that!) and it normally takes a bigger act than they now are to chart those.
But it won't take that many to go T75, at least.
>
>Meanwhile, FWIW The Hold Steady are Number 2 on the Amazon pre-release
>chart.
WTF are *they*?
>And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
>against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
Since I have no clue who he is, I would have.
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 at 22:31:08, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
>>
>>Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently
>
> More so than the Ting Tings?
Yes - they always sound to me as if they're trying to sound Scandinavian or
something, particularly on 'Shut Up & Let Me Go'.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Basshunter #2,
>>
>>In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be followed
>>by a Top 75 miss
>
> Is that actually backed up by stats, though?
It happened at least twice in 2007, that I can recall.
>>, he's managed a big follow-up to a Number One single.
>
> 'He'? Is he another individual pretending to be a group, then?
He's not pretending very hard - there's only one face on the front of the
album. Wouldn't he be called Basshunters if he was trying to impersonate
multiple people?
>>> Ironik #5,
>>
>>Just a one-place climb there, so possibly not a great increase in sales.
>
> Or possibly not one at all...
Do you know something I don't?
>>> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
>>
>>She could just have put up a poster saying "I'm not middle-aged!"
>
> I'm surprised this hasn't done better, though she should get above-average
> physical sales this week, of course.
Above what average?
>>> Top 30 : Kooks #25,
>>
>>Once tipped as a potentially big hit for them
>
> Presumably before anyone heard it? :)
Well, these people had presumably heard other Kooks songs that sold better.
>>> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
>>
>>Debut solo hit from the Texas leader, which shows more of the soul
>>influence
>>that appeared in some of her work with the band.
>
>>Apparently her middle name is Eugene.
>
> I was surprised to learn that her name is the one she was given by her
> parents - I always assumed it was a stage name.
Why would you pretend to be called Sharleen?
>>> Top 40 : none
>>
>>Bit boring in the lower end.
>
> *Just* there? :)
Well, there are some newish records in other bits of the chart.
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Usher #50,
>>
>>Presumably not shaping up to be one of his biggest hits, although I don't
>>know when the remix is released.
>
> Physical release due next Monday.
I know that much.
>>> Re-entries : Sugababes (AYN) #47,
>>
>>If you're wondering (I certainly was!) it was used in an episode of
>>Hollyoaks.
>
> I just assumed they played at one or more festivals.
Nope. I don't think they're on duty at the moment, so to speak.
Isn't one of them going out with that bloke from Xfm? Spookily enough, he
opened his show today with 'Hard To Explain' by the Strokes.
>>> Wombats #48,
>>
>>What better way to follow the re-release of 'Moving To New York' and the
>>re-release of 'Backfire At The Disco' than the re-release of 'Kill The
>>Director'?
>
>>Well, pretty much anything. Even if this song was any good, it's about
>>time
>>they came up with some new ones.
>
> Like a remix of 'Lets Dance To Joy Division', you mean? :)
Don't tempt fate, please.
>>>Black Kids #60,
>>
>>Album related.
>
> Or festival?
Not that I know of. It seems plausible that people might have looked the
album up on their download site of choice and decided it wasn't worth it.
>>> Go Goo Dolls #66,
>>
>>A song that was pretty much made for rubbishy TV shows that need to tell
>>you
>>how to feel, so it's probably been in one again. Unless loads of people
>>are
>>downloading 'Stay With You'.
>
> It's been a very steady download-seller.
It has, but it (joking aside, I mean 'Iris' here) usually needs some sort of
trigger to get it into the recognised charts.
>>Also noteworthy: NERD are back at 41. It's arguably their best work in a
>>long time
>
> It's been their *only* work...
I mean a longer time than the last time they released something.
>>, and certainly better than Pharrell's ill-fated solo career; but
>>the drug references have proved predictable toxic to radio.
>
> Didn't hurt Nickelback...
No, but I never said life was fair.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Coldplay hold on for their 5th week at #1
>>
>>No changes there then. Have you noticed how they always shift the album
>>chart around the show to meet up with a Coldplay single?
>
> Well, not *just* Coldplay - they do that with other artists too.
Sometimes, although the last Number One album before this didn't have any
tracks in the Top 40 that week - as was also the case for Neil Diamond,
R.E.M. etc. And Usher's single was too high up the chart.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Black Kids #5,
>>
>>Debut set from the hyped Florida band, produced by Bernard Butler.
>>The big hit 'I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend...' is naturally here, as
>>is
>>the less popular follow-up 'Hurricane Jane' (the omen they should have
>>noted: only one song with 'Hurricane' in the title has ever gone Top 30).
>
> Doesn't Katrina & the Waves count?
Boo!
> [OK, I know that was the name of the band, not a song, but how could I let
> that one go?] :)
I suppose you could have said 'Annie Let's Not Wait' by Guillemots.
>>> Beck #9
>>
>>A good start to his new UK deal with XL, Modern Guilt is his
>>highest-charting album ever in this country, even without the benefit of a
>>hit single.
>
> But with his highest first-week sales, I wonder?
I haven't seen any figures yet.
>>> New outside the top 20 : Paul Heaton #43,
>>
>>A deluxe album adds two more tracks, as is often the way.
>
> Well, you don't get many deluxe albums that have *fewer* tracks... :)
In some cases, it might not have been a bad idea!
>>>Jordin Sparks #51,
>>
>>Despite one massive hit and another Top 75 entry, the album's not proving
>>so
>>easy to shift. Obviously, this could change.
>
> Well, they've already tried TV adverts...
Maybe it'll take more than one proper hit.
>>> Freemasons #58,
>>
>>A repackaged version of last year's album with an extra track and some
>>extra
>>bits of the songs on CD-ROM so you can mix it yourself. If you can't be
>>bothered, HMV have a version with some additional remixes.
>
> Last time it peaked at just #80.
It hasn't got any better though.
>>>Tricky #63,
>
>>The album
>>includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover versions,
>>in
>>this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
>
> Blasphemy! :)
How do you know?
>>>Stone Gods #67,
>>
>>The Darkness minus the two members anyone can remember (ie Justin Hawkins
>>and that bass player with the funny moustache).
>
> So that would be just one, then. :)
They were never the same without tache man though - with hindsight it was
pretty much over for them after he left.
>>> Re-entries : Abba (18H) #54,
>>
>>Actually I don't think this is a re-entry - it's been available for
>>several
>>years, but AFAICT it's never charted higher than 79 before.
>
> Incorrect - it reached #46 on 27/1/07.
I stand corrected. And I even wrote about it then:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.music.charts/msg/9902ab15a998de19?dmode=source&output=gplain
>>>Take That (BW) #69,
>>
>>Have people been leaving their copies on the bus or something?
>
> They tried - but no-one would take them, so the bus company returned
> them... :)
And scanned them through a barcode reader?
>>> Other notable moves : Abba (GGH) 43-12,
>>
>>You don't have to throw up, they weren't all that bad!
>
> Huh?
That's what that "GGH" looks like to me.
>>Meanwhile, the film soundtrack has presumably been relegated to the
>>compilation chart.
>
> I guess.
They hadn't updated by the time I posted, but it's actually Number One
there. Keep an eye out for downloads in the singles chart though.
>>> LSP 40-15,
>>
>>Cleverly repromoted off the back of the single.
>
> Yes, what an original tactic...
I mean as in effectively, not imaginatively.
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> I suspect Dizzee will hold on at #1, though McFly will surely make their
>>> >
>>> usual one-week-only challenge.
>>
>>I think I agree, assuming that Mr Rascal had a fairly commanding lead.
>
> Alas.
Could still be worse.
>>> Top 5 : McFly,
>>
>>Almost certainly still Top 3 IMO.
>
> Unless fans wait for the 'free' album next Sunday.
Which actual fans probably won't. If their success depended on anyone else
buying it, that might be a different matter though.
>>>Kid Rock,
>>
>>Probably not in contention for the very top (this week at any rate) since
>>he
>>won't be able to compete with McFly or Dizzee on physicals
>
> But OTOH, McFly won't sell downloads...
But they'll probably sell enough CDs for that not to matter overtly. At any
rate they'll sell more of them than Kid Rock.
>>> Top 10 :
>>
>>> Ting Tings
>>
>>It's slipped back this week though.
>
> I couldn't understand that.
Maybe people have realised it's a ripoff of 'Let's Make Love And Listen To
Death From Above'?
>>> Top 30 : Hot Chip,
>>
>>Unless you know something I don't, they're not releasing a single
>>tomorrow.
>
> Well they were, according to *last* week's release schedule - but it does
> seem to have gone AWOL from this week's.
The one of Buzzjack suggests that they're releasing one in August. But
who'll buy it then I don't know.
>>> Linkin Park
>>
>>I have seen literally no promo for this, although it does seem to have
>>helped the album a little.
>
> Surely their Busta Rhymes 'duet' would be more responsible for that?
You mean because it's so shite people are afraid they might add it to the
album as a bonus track?
>>> Top 40 : Annie,
>>
>>Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
>
> I hope you're wrong!
I have to admit I'm slightly biased due to my irrational hatred of songs
with "Ur" in the title, but realistically if she can't even get into the Top
100 on downloads she'll need to sell Morrissey-esque numbers of physicals.
Or be in an episode of Hollyoaks, obviously.
>>>Jack McManus,
>>
>>I haven't got a confirmed release date for this
>
> As per reply re Hot Chip...
It's on there but with no particular date. However, people will be sick of
it if it's more than a couple of weeks away.
>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>Most obviously, Primal Scream who had the biggest hit of their career with
>>the lead single from their previous album.
>
> But that only seemed like a few months ago!
I know, but I looked it up and it was May 2006!
>>Not that this will be that big,
>>of course.
>
> Especially with virtually no publicity.
Agreed, but even the not-massively-hyped-to-put-it-mildly 'Miss Lucifer'
managed to go Top 30, so they should be safe.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Surely Coldplay can't manage a 6th week at #1?
>>
>>They only have to sell more than everyone else.
>
> No kidding...
You know what I mean, though.
>>> Top 10 NE : Basshunter,
>>
>>Fairly easy to imagine in the current climate for dance albums.
>
> Plus a pair of top 2 hits should help!
Actually, that's an interesting thought - Ultrabeat, Scooter and Darren
Styles had big album hits without recent singles success, so perhaps that
means that Basshunter's one will flop completely. ;-)
In the real world, of course, he could be Number One.
>>>Sharleen Spiteri
>>
>>About right.
>
> Wikipedia claims she has a large lesbian fanbase.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not sure exactly how relevant that is though.
>>> Others :
>>
>>> Charlatans,
>>
>>This is only a BBC sessions compilation (and presumably second choice at
>>that!) and it normally takes a bigger act than they now are to chart
>>those.
>
> But it won't take that many to go T75, at least.
Couple of thousand surely?
>>Meanwhile, FWIW The Hold Steady are Number 2 on the Amazon pre-release
>>chart.
>
> WTF are *they*?
When I looked at the 7digital homepage this afternoon, it described them as
a "Brooklyn-based, Springsteen-licking five-piece". Fortunately they've
rephrased it since.
>>And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
>>against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
>
> Since I have no clue who he is, I would have.
Except that if you'd never heard of him, it wouldn't occur to you to bet for
or against him, surely.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
>>>
>>>Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently
>>
>> More so than the Ting Tings?
>
>Yes - they always sound to me as if they're trying to sound Scandinavian or
>something, particularly on 'Shut Up & Let Me Go'.
But rap never sounds British to me, regardless of where the artist was
born.
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Basshunter #2,
>>>
>>>In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be followed
>>>by a Top 75 miss
>>
>> Is that actually backed up by stats, though?
>
>It happened at least twice in 2007, that I can recall.
I did a little checking :
Chris Cornell - You Know My Name #9, Arms Around Your Love #177
Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control #7, Jealous Girls #89
Gym Class Heroes - Clothes Off #5, Queen & I #124
Hellogoodbye - Here (In Your Arms) #4, Baby It's Fact #81
Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do #2, Paint It Black #107
Nelly Furtado - Say It Right #10, In God's Hands #116
Plain White T's - Hey There Delilah #2, Our Time Now #114
[obviously excluding follow-ups which missed the T200 altogether]
Just 7 out of 133 T10 singles in 2007, so personally I *would* call it
exceptional.
>
BTW, which of the above 7 were the two you could recall?
>
>>>> Ironik #5,
>>>
>>>Just a one-place climb there, so possibly not a great increase in sales.
>>
>> Or possibly not one at all...
>
>Do you know something I don't?
No, just speculating.
>
>>>> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
>>
>> I'm surprised this hasn't done better, though she should get above-average
>> physical sales this week, of course.
>
>Above what average?
Well, a lot more than an act that emerged in the download era could
expect...
>
>>>> Top 30 : Kooks #25,
>>>
>>>Once tipped as a potentially big hit for them
>>
>> Presumably before anyone heard it? :)
>
>Well, these people had presumably heard other Kooks songs that sold better.
This is another song that DJ's seem to like (#2 on airplay), but
virtually no-one else does.
>
>>>> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
>>
>> I was surprised to learn that her name is the one she was given by her
>> parents - I always assumed it was a stage name.
>
>Why would you pretend to be called Sharleen?
Well, if your given name were, say, Mavis Bloggs...
>
>>>> Re-entries : Sugababes (AYN) #47,
>>>
>>>If you're wondering (I certainly was!) it was used in an episode of
>>>Hollyoaks.
>>
>> I just assumed they played at one or more festivals.
>
>Nope. I don't think they're on duty at the moment, so to speak.
Away writing another new album?
>
>>>>Black Kids
>It seems plausible that people might have looked the
>album up on their download site of choice and decided it wasn't worth it.
They needed to look it up, to decide that? :)
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>only one song with 'Hurricane' in the title has ever gone Top 30).
>>
>> Doesn't Katrina & the Waves count?
>
>Boo!
Huh?
>
>> [OK, I know that was the name of the band, not a song, but how could I let
>> that one go?] :)
>
>I suppose you could have said 'Annie Let's Not Wait' by Guillemots.
Has there been a notable hurricane named 'Annie' recently, then?
>
>>>>Jordin Sparks #51,
>>>
>>>Despite one massive hit and another Top 75 entry, the album's not proving
>>>so
>>>easy to shift. Obviously, this could change.
>>
>> Well, they've already tried TV adverts...
>
>Maybe it'll take more than one proper hit.
Especially as the current one surely only charted because of her duet
partner...
>
>>>>Tricky #63,
>>
>>>The album
>>>includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover versions,
>>>in
>>>this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
>>
>> Blasphemy! :)
>
>How do you know?
You mean 'a rapper covering a Kylie song' isn't enough? :)
>
>
>>>Meanwhile, the film soundtrack has presumably been relegated to the
>>>compilation chart.
>>
>> I guess.
>
>They hadn't updated by the time I posted, but it's actually Number One
>there. Keep an eye out for downloads in the singles chart though.
Just one in the T100 : 'Mamma Mia' at #95 (nine places below Abba's
original).
>
>>>> LSP 40-15,
>>>
>>>Cleverly repromoted off the back of the single.
>>
>> Yes, what an original tactic...
>
>I mean as in effectively, not imaginatively.
Ah, OK.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> I suspect Dizzee will hold on at #1, though McFly will surely make their
>>>> >
>>>> usual one-week-only challenge.
>>>
>>>I think I agree, assuming that Mr Rascal had a fairly commanding lead.
>>
>> Alas.
>
>Could still be worse.
How??
>
>>>> Top 5 : McFly,
>>>
>>>Almost certainly still Top 3 IMO.
>>
>> Unless fans wait for the 'free' album next Sunday.
>
>Which actual fans probably won't. If their success depended on anyone else
>buying it, that might be a different matter though.
Of course, the album give-away probably means a bigger 2nd week fall
than even McFly have come to expect. :)
>
>>>>Kid Rock,
>>>
>>>Probably not in contention for the very top (this week at any rate) since
>>>he
>>>won't be able to compete with McFly or Dizzee on physicals
>>
>> But OTOH, McFly won't sell downloads...
>
>But they'll probably sell enough CDs for that not to matter overtly. At any
>rate they'll sell more of them than Kid Rock.
Well, for 1 week, anyway...
>
>>>> Top 10 :
>>>
>>>> Ting Tings
>>>
>>>It's slipped back this week though.
>>
>> I couldn't understand that.
>
>Maybe people have realised it's a ripoff of 'Let's Make Love And Listen To
>Death From Above'?
Not this person...
>
>
>>>> Linkin Park
>>>
>>>I have seen literally no promo for this, although it does seem to have
>>>helped the album a little.
>>
>> Surely their Busta Rhymes 'duet' would be more responsible for that?
>
>You mean because it's so shite people are afraid they might add it to the
>album as a bonus track?
Grin.
>
>>>> Top 40 : Annie,
>>>
>>>Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
>>
>> I hope you're wrong!
>
>I have to admit I'm slightly biased due to my irrational hatred of songs
>with "Ur" in the title, but realistically if she can't even get into the Top
>100 on downloads she'll need to sell Morrissey-esque numbers of physicals.
Well, I did my bit yesterday, at least. Not bad value for £1.99 : 7
mixes, plus the video & a photo gallery (none naked, alas). :)
>Or be in an episode of Hollyoaks, obviously.
She appeared in Hollyoaks?
>
>It's on there but with no particular date. However, people will be sick of
>it if it's more than a couple of weeks away.
On the subject of release dates, one has finally appeared for Cascada -
Because The Night (28/7). IMO deserves to be a big hit (and not just
because Natalie Horler is a hottie). :)
>
>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>
>>>Most obviously, Primal Scream who had the biggest hit of their career with
>>>the lead single from their previous album.
>>
>> But that only seemed like a few months ago!
>
>I know, but I looked it up and it was May 2006!
Yes, surprised me too.
>
>>>Not that this will be that big,
>>>of course.
>>
>> Especially with virtually no publicity.
>
>Agreed, but even the not-massively-hyped-to-put-it-mildly 'Miss Lucifer'
>managed to go Top 30, so they should be safe.
But that was back when people actually bought physical singles...
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>
>>>> Top 10 NE : Basshunter,
>>>
>>>Fairly easy to imagine in the current climate for dance albums.
>>
>> Plus a pair of top 2 hits should help!
>
>Actually, that's an interesting thought - Ultrabeat, Scooter and Darren
>Styles had big album hits without recent singles success, so perhaps that
>means that Basshunter's one will flop completely. ;-)
>
>In the real world, of course, he could be Number One.
Not impossible - CP only sold 41k last week.
>
>>>>Sharleen Spiteri
>>>
>>>About right.
>>
>> Wikipedia claims she has a large lesbian fanbase.
>
>Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not sure exactly how relevant that is though.
Depends how many large lesbians there are... :)
>
>>>> Others :
>>>
>>>> Charlatans,
>>>
>>>This is only a BBC sessions compilation (and presumably second choice at
>>>that!) and it normally takes a bigger act than they now are to chart
>>>those.
>>
>> But it won't take that many to go T75, at least.
>
>Couple of thousand surely?
Maybe 2,500.
>
>>>Meanwhile, FWIW The Hold Steady are Number 2 on the Amazon pre-release
>>>chart.
>>
>> WTF are *they*?
>
>When I looked at the 7digital homepage this afternoon, it described them as
>a "Brooklyn-based, Springsteen-licking five-piece". Fortunately they've
>rephrased it since.
I noticed it prominently on the shelves yesterday, but I've seen no sign
of any single to promo it, or that they're even known in the UK.
>
>>>And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
>>>against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
>>
>> Since I have no clue who he is, I would have.
>
>Except that if you'd never heard of him, it wouldn't occur to you to bet for
>or against him, surely.
Well, not *for* him, anyway...
Jan Buxton
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 at 23:58:29, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>> chart.
>>>
>>> WTF are *they*?
>>
>> When I looked at the 7digital homepage this afternoon, it described
>> them as
>> a "Brooklyn-based, Springsteen-licking five-piece". Fortunately they've
>> rephrased it since.
>
> I noticed it prominently on the shelves yesterday, but I've seen no sign
> of any single to promo it, or that they're even known in the UK.
Well Q gave them the main review slot in the current issue (ahead of
CSS, Beck, Primal Scream, Black Kids). They are 4 albums into a career.
Daniel Radcliffe likes them. So at least a few people have heard of them.
--
Jan
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 at 23:58:29, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently
>>>
>>> More so than the Ting Tings?
>>
>>Yes - they always sound to me as if they're trying to sound Scandinavian
>>or
>>something, particularly on 'Shut Up & Let Me Go'.
>
> But rap never sounds British to me, regardless of where the artist was
> born.
Not even when he's singing about being on his Jack Jones and feeling like a
wally? Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
pretty much every form of popular music - that doesn't mean we can't come up
with our own take on it.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Basshunter #2,
>>>>
>>>>In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be
>>>>followed
>>>>by a Top 75 miss
>>>
>>> Is that actually backed up by stats, though?
>>
>>It happened at least twice in 2007, that I can recall.
>
> I did a little checking :
>
> Chris Cornell - You Know My Name #9, Arms Around Your Love #177
> Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control #7, Jealous Girls #89
At the risk of undermining my own point, wasn't 'Listen Up!' in between
those?
> Gym Class Heroes - Clothes Off #5, Queen & I #124
> Hellogoodbye - Here (In Your Arms) #4, Baby It's Fact #81
> Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do #2, Paint It Black #107
> Nelly Furtado - Say It Right #10, In God's Hands #116
> Plain White T's - Hey There Delilah #2, Our Time Now #114
>
> [obviously excluding follow-ups which missed the T200 altogether]
>
> Just 7 out of 133 T10 singles in 2007, so personally I *would* call it
> exceptional.
You wouldn't have seen that in 1997 though, would you?
> BTW, which of the above 7 were the two you could recall?
Gym Class Heroes and Hellogoodbye I think. Chris Cornell feels a lot longer
ago than that so I never even thought of it.
>>
>>>>> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
>>>
>>> I'm surprised this hasn't done better, though she should get
>>> above-average
>>> physical sales this week, of course.
>>
>>Above what average?
>
> Well, a lot more than an act that emerged in the download era could
> expect...
Possibly.
>>>>> Top 30 : Kooks #25,
>>>>
>>>>Once tipped as a potentially big hit for them
>>>
>>> Presumably before anyone heard it? :)
>>
>>Well, these people had presumably heard other Kooks songs that sold
>>better.
>
> This is another song that DJ's seem to like (#2 on airplay), but virtually
> no-one else does.
Perhaps I spoke too soon.
>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
>>>
>>> I was surprised to learn that her name is the one she was given by her
>>> parents - I always assumed it was a stage name.
>>
>>Why would you pretend to be called Sharleen?
>
> Well, if your given name were, say, Mavis Bloggs...
You could call yourself something really exciting.
>>>>> Re-entries : Sugababes (AYN) #47,
>>>>
>>>>If you're wondering (I certainly was!) it was used in an episode of
>>>>Hollyoaks.
>>>
>>> I just assumed they played at one or more festivals.
>>
>>Nope. I don't think they're on duty at the moment, so to speak.
>
> Away writing another new album?
Somebody probably is.
>>>>>Black Kids
>
>>It seems plausible that people might have looked the
>>album up on their download site of choice and decided it wasn't worth it.
>
> They needed to look it up, to decide that? :)
Good point.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>only one song with 'Hurricane' in the title has ever gone Top 30).
>>>
>>> Doesn't Katrina & the Waves count?
>>
>>Boo!
>
> Huh?
I was just booing your awful joke.
>>> [OK, I know that was the name of the band, not a song, but how could I
>>> let
>>> that one go?] :)
>>
>>I suppose you could have said 'Annie Let's Not Wait' by Guillemots.
>
> Has there been a notable hurricane named 'Annie' recently, then?
Who said anything about recent?
>>>>>Jordin Sparks #51,
>>>>
>>>>Despite one massive hit and another Top 75 entry, the album's not
>>>>proving
>>>>so
>>>>easy to shift. Obviously, this could change.
>>>
>>> Well, they've already tried TV adverts...
>>
>>Maybe it'll take more than one proper hit.
>
> Especially as the current one surely only charted because of her duet
> partner...
Not always a deal-breaker though.
>>>>>Tricky #63,
>>>
>>>>The album
>>>>includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover
>>>>versions,
>>>>in
>>>>this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
>>>
>>> Blasphemy! :)
>>
>>How do you know?
>
> You mean 'a rapper covering a Kylie song' isn't enough? :)
I don't know if he does his own rapping on it though - quite a few of his
tracks feature other vocalists.
At worst, it's just payback for 'Give Me Just A Little More Time'.
>>>>Meanwhile, the film soundtrack has presumably been relegated to the
>>>>compilation chart.
>>>
>>> I guess.
>>
>>They hadn't updated by the time I posted, but it's actually Number One
>>there. Keep an eye out for downloads in the singles chart though.
>
> Just one in the T100 : 'Mamma Mia' at #95 (nine places below Abba's
> original).
I didn't necessarily mean this week - they'll presumably do better after
people have seen the flick.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> I suspect Dizzee will hold on at #1, though McFly will surely make
>>>>> their
>>>>> >
>>>>> usual one-week-only challenge.
>>>>
>>>>I think I agree, assuming that Mr Rascal had a fairly commanding lead.
>>>
>>> Alas.
>>
>>Could still be worse.
>
> How??
Could be: NeYo, Busta Rhymes, Kid Rock... and that's just the current Top
10.
>>>>> Top 5 : McFly,
>>>>
>>>>Almost certainly still Top 3 IMO.
>>>
>>> Unless fans wait for the 'free' album next Sunday.
>>
>>Which actual fans probably won't. If their success depended on anyone else
>>buying it, that might be a different matter though.
>
> Of course, the album give-away probably means a bigger 2nd week fall than
> even McFly have come to expect. :)
I don't really know if that will matter.
>>>>> Top 10 :
>>>>
>>>>> Ting Tings
>>>>
>>>>It's slipped back this week though.
>>>
>>> I couldn't understand that.
>>
>>Maybe people have realised it's a ripoff of 'Let's Make Love And Listen To
>>Death From Above'?
>
> Not this person...
I have though, obviously. That'd been bugging me for weeks.
More seriously, ISTM that normally for a record to increase significantly in
sales it needs either an increase in publicity or an increase in
availability. I don't think they had either of those this week just gone.
>>>>> Top 40 : Annie,
>>>>
>>>>Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
>>>
>>> I hope you're wrong!
>>
>>I have to admit I'm slightly biased due to my irrational hatred of songs
>>with "Ur" in the title, but realistically if she can't even get into the
>>Top
>>100 on downloads she'll need to sell Morrissey-esque numbers of physicals.
>
> Well, I did my bit yesterday, at least. Not bad value for £1.99 : 7 mixes,
> plus the video & a photo gallery (none naked, alas). :)
I shouldn't read these things in a hurry - for a moment I thought you were
looking for naked pictures of Morrissey.
>>Or be in an episode of Hollyoaks, obviously.
>
> She appeared in Hollyoaks?
Not as far as I know - that's why I don't expect this to go Top 40.
>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>
>>>>Most obviously, Primal Scream who had the biggest hit of their career
>>>>with
>>>>the lead single from their previous album.
>>>
>>> But that only seemed like a few months ago!
>>
>>I know, but I looked it up and it was May 2006!
>
> Yes, surprised me too.
Maybe it's because the other singles from that album weren't very
successful. Here's a way to show how long ago it was: Riot City Blues was
part of an all-new Top 5 topped by Sandi Thom.
>>>>Not that this will be that big,
>>>>of course.
>>>
>>> Especially with virtually no publicity.
>>
>>Agreed, but even the not-massively-hyped-to-put-it-mildly 'Miss Lucifer'
>>managed to go Top 30, so they should be safe.
>
> But that was back when people actually bought physical singles...
Not very many, though.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>> Top 10 NE : Basshunter,
>>>>
>>>>Fairly easy to imagine in the current climate for dance albums.
>>>
>>> Plus a pair of top 2 hits should help!
>>
>>Actually, that's an interesting thought - Ultrabeat, Scooter and Darren
>>Styles had big album hits without recent singles success, so perhaps that
>>means that Basshunter's one will flop completely. ;-)
>>
>>In the real world, of course, he could be Number One.
>
> Not impossible - CP only sold 41k last week.
Well quite.
>>>>>Sharleen Spiteri
>>>>
>>>>About right.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia claims she has a large lesbian fanbase.
>>
>>Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not sure exactly how relevant that is
>>though.
>
> Depends how many large lesbians there are... :)
I knew one or other of us would make that joke eventually.
It's not as interesting as Eminem's gay fans, for example.
>>>>> Others :
>>>>
>>>>> Charlatans,
>>>>
>>>>This is only a BBC sessions compilation (and presumably second choice at
>>>>that!) and it normally takes a bigger act than they now are to chart
>>>>those.
>>>
>>> But it won't take that many to go T75, at least.
>>
>>Couple of thousand surely?
>
> Maybe 2,500.
They've got no chance then.
>>>>Meanwhile, FWIW The Hold Steady are Number 2 on the Amazon pre-release
>>>>chart.
>>>
>>> WTF are *they*?
>>
>>When I looked at the 7digital homepage this afternoon, it described them
>>as
>>a "Brooklyn-based, Springsteen-licking five-piece". Fortunately they've
>>rephrased it since.
>
> I noticed it prominently on the shelves yesterday, but I've seen no sign
> of any single to promo it, or that they're even known in the UK.
I can assure you I haven't made them up!
>>>>And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
>>>>against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
>>>
>>> Since I have no clue who he is, I would have.
>>
>>Except that if you'd never heard of him, it wouldn't occur to you to bet
>>for
>>or against him, surely.
>
> Well, not *for* him, anyway...
You wouldn't be going to the bookies suggesting random names either, would
you? If so I suggest professional help.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently
>>>>
>>>> More so than the Ting Tings?
>>>
>>>Yes - they always sound to me as if they're trying to sound Scandinavian
>>>or
>>>something, particularly on 'Shut Up & Let Me Go'.
>>
>> But rap never sounds British to me, regardless of where the artist was
>> born.
>
>Not even when he's singing about being on his Jack Jones and feeling like a
>wally?
I wouldn't know, since I don't listen to rap records, full stop.
>Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
>pretty much every form of popular music
Even Britpop? :)
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be
>>>>>followed
>>>>>by a Top 75 miss
>>
>> I did a little checking :
>>
>> Chris Cornell - You Know My Name #9, Arms Around Your Love #177
>> Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control #7, Jealous Girls #89
>
>At the risk of undermining my own point, wasn't 'Listen Up!' in between
>those?
You are right - my spreadsheet only lists initial charting dates, on
which Listen Up debuted before SITWOC, so I didn't check for
re-releases.
>
>> Gym Class Heroes - Clothes Off #5, Queen & I #124
>> Hellogoodbye - Here (In Your Arms) #4, Baby It's Fact #81
>> Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do #2, Paint It Black #107
>> Nelly Furtado - Say It Right #10, In God's Hands #116
>> Plain White T's - Hey There Delilah #2, Our Time Now #114
>>
>> [obviously excluding follow-ups which missed the T200 altogether]
>>
>> Just 7 out of 133 T10 singles in 2007, so personally I *would* call it
>> exceptional.
>
>You wouldn't have seen that in 1997 though, would you?
Since I wasn't following the charts then, I can't answer that.
>
>>>
>>>>>> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised this hasn't done better, though she should get
>>>> above-average
>>>> physical sales this week, of course.
>>>
>>>Above what average?
>>
>> Well, a lot more than an act that emerged in the download era could
>> expect...
>
>Possibly.
To me there seems little room for doubt, especially in Madge's case.
>
>>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
>>>>
>>>> I was surprised to learn that her name is the one she was given by her
>>>> parents - I always assumed it was a stage name.
>>>
>>>Why would you pretend to be called Sharleen?
>>
>> Well, if your given name were, say, Mavis Bloggs...
>
>You could call yourself something really exciting.
Well ISTM 'Sharleen Spiteri' is notable, at least...
>
>>>>>> Re-entries : Sugababes
>>>I don't think they're on duty at the moment, so to speak.
>>
>> Away writing another new album?
>
>Somebody probably is.
What do you mean?
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>Tricky #63,
>>>>
>>>>>The album
>>>>>includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover
>>>>>versions,
>>>>>in
>>>>>this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
>>>>
>>>> Blasphemy! :)
>>>
>>>How do you know?
>>
>> You mean 'a rapper covering a Kylie song' isn't enough? :)
>
>I don't know if he does his own rapping on it though - quite a few of his
>tracks feature other vocalists.
>At worst, it's just payback for 'Give Me Just A Little More Time'.
Why - was that originally a rap song? :)
>>>
>>>They hadn't updated by the time I posted, but it's actually Number One
>>>there. Keep an eye out for downloads in the singles chart though.
>>
>> Just one in the T100 : 'Mamma Mia' at #95 (nine places below Abba's
>> original).
>
>I didn't necessarily mean this week - they'll presumably do better after
>people have seen the flick.
But presumably so will Abba's original versions...
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>Could still be worse.
>>
>> How??
>
>Could be: NeYo, Busta Rhymes, Kid Rock... and that's just the current Top
>10.
I like the Kid Rock song, and I'd even prefer McFly to be #1, rather
than a rap song!
>
>>>>>>McFly,
>>
>> Of course, the album give-away probably means a bigger 2nd week fall than
>> even McFly have come to expect. :)
>
>I don't really know if that will matter.
Well, it isn't likely to *increase* over-the-counter sales...
>
>>>>>> Top 10 :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ting Tings
>>>
>>>Maybe people have realised it's a ripoff of 'Let's Make Love And Listen To
>>>Death From Above'?
>>
>> Not this person...
>
>I have though, obviously. That'd been bugging me for weeks.
>More seriously, ISTM that normally for a record to increase significantly in
>sales it needs either an increase in publicity or an increase in
>availability. I don't think they had either of those this week just gone.
But out on CD next week.
>
>>>>>> Top 40 : Annie,
>>>>>
>>>>>Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
>>>>
>> Well, I did my bit yesterday, at least. Not bad value for £1.99 : 7 mixes,
>> plus the video & a photo gallery (none naked, alas). :)
>
>I shouldn't read these things in a hurry - for a moment I thought you were
>looking for naked pictures of Morrissey.
Apparently Annie is only T100. :(
>
>>>Or be in an episode of Hollyoaks, obviously.
>>
>> She appeared in Hollyoaks?
>
>Not as far as I know - that's why I don't expect this to go Top 40.
They why did you mention Hollyoaks?
>
>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>>
>>>>>Primal Scream
>
>Maybe it's because the other singles from that album weren't very
>successful. Here's a way to show how long ago it was: Riot City Blues was
>part of an all-new Top 5 topped by Sandi Thom.
I thought their big hit was 'Country Girl'?
>>
>> But that was back when people actually bought physical singles...
>
>Not very many, though.
I thought lots of people did... :)
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>
>>>>>>Sharleen Spiteri
>>>>>
>>>>>About right.
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia claims she has a large lesbian fanbase.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not sure exactly how relevant that is
>>>though.
>>
>> Depends how many large lesbians there are... :)
>
>I knew one or other of us would make that joke eventually.
>It's not as interesting as Eminem's gay fans, for example.
I always wondered who he could *possibly* appeal to... :)
>
>>>>>The Hold Steady
>>>>
>>>> WTF are *they*?
>>>
>>>When I looked at the 7digital homepage this afternoon, it described them
>>>as
>>>a "Brooklyn-based, Springsteen-licking five-piece". Fortunately they've
>>>rephrased it since.
>>
>> I noticed it prominently on the shelves yesterday, but I've seen no sign
>> of any single to promo it, or that they're even known in the UK.
>
>I can assure you I haven't made them up!
This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
>
>>>>>And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
>>>>>against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
>>>>
>>>> Since I have no clue who he is, I would have.
>>>
>>>Except that if you'd never heard of him, it wouldn't occur to you to bet
>>>for
>>>or against him, surely.
>>
>> Well, not *for* him, anyway...
>
>You wouldn't be going to the bookies suggesting random names either, would
>you? If so I suggest professional help.
>
Really? ISTM that's how most people pick horses to bet on... :)
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 at 21:31:21, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> A 2nd #1 week for Dizzee Rascal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps the most British-sounding Number One we've had recently
>>>>>
>>>>> More so than the Ting Tings?
>>>>
>>>>Yes - they always sound to me as if they're trying to sound Scandinavian
>>>>or
>>>>something, particularly on 'Shut Up & Let Me Go'.
>>>
>>> But rap never sounds British to me, regardless of where the artist was
>>> born.
>>
>>Not even when he's singing about being on his Jack Jones and feeling like
>>a
>>wally?
Actually, to be strictly accurate, he's addressing someone else there, so
it's not him who's on his Jack Jones. Apologies for the error.
> I wouldn't know, since I don't listen to rap records, full stop.
There a version with a different vocal here if it helps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RbolZLB0Ek
>>Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
>>pretty much every form of popular music
>
> Even Britpop? :)
One of the biggest influences on the Britpop bands was The Kinks, and they
started out as an R&B covers band, so yeah you can trace it back there. For
that matter, the Pixies used to get namedropped a lot in that era too.
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>In an era where it's no longer exceptional for a Top 10 hit to be
>>>>>>followed
>>>>>>by a Top 75 miss
>>>
>>> I did a little checking :
>>>
>>> Chris Cornell - You Know My Name #9, Arms Around Your Love #177
>>> Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control #7, Jealous Girls #89
>>
>>At the risk of undermining my own point, wasn't 'Listen Up!' in between
>>those?
>
> You are right - my spreadsheet only lists initial charting dates, on which
> > Listen Up debuted before SITWOC, so I didn't check for re-releases.
OK then.
>>> Gym Class Heroes - Clothes Off #5, Queen & I #124
>>> Hellogoodbye - Here (In Your Arms) #4, Baby It's Fact #81
>>> Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do #2, Paint It Black #107
>>> Nelly Furtado - Say It Right #10, In God's Hands #116
>>> Plain White T's - Hey There Delilah #2, Our Time Now #114
>>>
>>> [obviously excluding follow-ups which missed the T200 altogether]
>>>
>>> Just 7 out of 133 T10 singles in 2007, so personally I *would* call it
>>> exceptional.
>>
>>You wouldn't have seen that in 1997 though, would you?
>
> Since I wasn't following the charts then, I can't answer that.
I just feel like it used to be a lot more unusual then.
>>>>>>> Top 20 : Madonna (GI2M) #17,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised this hasn't done better, though she should get
>>>>> above-average
>>>>> physical sales this week, of course.
>>>>
>>>>Above what average?
>>>
>>> Well, a lot more than an act that emerged in the download era could
>>> expect...
>>
>>Possibly.
>
> To me there seems little room for doubt, especially in Madge's case.
But then she sells more than average in any format, so what?
>>>>>>> Sharleen Spiteri #26,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was surprised to learn that her name is the one she was given by her
>>>>> parents - I always assumed it was a stage name.
>>>>
>>>>Why would you pretend to be called Sharleen?
>>>
>>> Well, if your given name were, say, Mavis Bloggs...
>>
>>You could call yourself something really exciting.
>
> Well ISTM 'Sharleen Spiteri' is notable, at least...
Yes, but it's not an obviously implausible one.
>>>>>>> Re-entries : Sugababes
>
>>>>I don't think they're on duty at the moment, so to speak.
>>>
>>> Away writing another new album?
>>
>>Somebody probably is.
>
> What do you mean?
AFAIK the group themselves only write lyrics, so I suspect the other writers
have to do their bit first.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>Tricky #63,
>>>>>
>>>>>>The album
>>>>>>includes another addition to his repertoire of unexpected cover
>>>>>>versions,
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>this case Kylie's 'Slow'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blasphemy! :)
>>>>
>>>>How do you know?
>>>
>>> You mean 'a rapper covering a Kylie song' isn't enough? :)
>>
>>I don't know if he does his own rapping on it though - quite a few of his
>>tracks feature other vocalists.
>>At worst, it's just payback for 'Give Me Just A Little More Time'.
>
> Why - was that originally a rap song? :)
Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't exactly
been glorious.
>>>>They hadn't updated by the time I posted, but it's actually Number One
>>>>there. Keep an eye out for downloads in the singles chart though.
>>>
>>> Just one in the T100 : 'Mamma Mia' at #95 (nine places below Abba's
>>> original).
>>
>>I didn't necessarily mean this week - they'll presumably do better after
>>people have seen the flick.
>
> But presumably so will Abba's original versions...
Er, yes. Why the "but"?
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>Could still be worse.
>>>
>>> How??
>>
>>Could be: NeYo, Busta Rhymes, Kid Rock... and that's just the current Top
>>10.
>
> I like the Kid Rock song, and I'd even prefer McFly to be #1, rather than
> a rap song!
Contradiction unintentional?
>>>>>>>McFly,
>>>
>>> Of course, the album give-away probably means a bigger 2nd week fall
>>> than
>>> even McFly have come to expect. :)
>>
>>I don't really know if that will matter.
>
> Well, it isn't likely to *increase* over-the-counter sales...
No, but I think it's unlikely to decrease them very much either.
>>>>>>> Top 10 :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ting Tings
>>>>
>>>>Maybe people have realised it's a ripoff of 'Let's Make Love And Listen
>>>>To
>>>>Death From Above'?
>>>
>>> Not this person...
>>
>>I have though, obviously. That'd been bugging me for weeks.
>>More seriously, ISTM that normally for a record to increase significantly
>>in
>>sales it needs either an increase in publicity or an increase in
>>availability. I don't think they had either of those this week just gone.
>
> But out on CD next week.
Yes, *next* week.
>>>>>>> Top 40 : Annie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Still not even Top 75 on download, so I'd tend to doubt it.
>>>>>
>>> Well, I did my bit yesterday, at least. Not bad value for £1.99 : 7
>>> mixes,
>>> plus the video & a photo gallery (none naked, alas). :)
>>
>>I shouldn't read these things in a hurry - for a moment I thought you were
>>looking for naked pictures of Morrissey.
>
> Apparently Annie is only T100. :(
Sounds about right (in terms of plausibility I mean - I'm not expressing a
preference)
>>>>Or be in an episode of Hollyoaks, obviously.
>>>
>>> She appeared in Hollyoaks?
>>
>>Not as far as I know - that's why I don't expect this to go Top 40.
>
> They why did you mention Hollyoaks?
Partly because it's topical (see the Sugababes) but mainly just to avoid
sounding absolutist - because nowadays even something otherwise unlikely can
chart if there's an external factor.
>>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Primal Scream
>>
>>Maybe it's because the other singles from that album weren't very
>>successful. Here's a way to show how long ago it was: Riot City Blues was
>>part of an all-new Top 5 topped by Sandi Thom.
>
> I thought their big hit was 'Country Girl'?
Yes - Riot City Blues was the album. I picked on that because that was a
very rare case of an all-new Top 5 on that chart.
For the record, though, 'Country Girl' also peaked at 5, but that week Sandi
Thom was still the Number 2 single (behind Gnarls Barkley). Speaking of
seeming a long time ago, the singles either side were LL Cool J and the
Ordinary Boys.
>>> But that was back when people actually bought physical singles...
>>
>>Not very many, though.
>
> I thought lots of people did... :)
In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
massive-selling year.
I think that's also balanced by the fact that 'Miss Lucifer' was a very
uncommercial-sounding track.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>>>>Sharleen Spiteri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>About right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia claims she has a large lesbian fanbase.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm not sure exactly how relevant that is
>>>>though.
>>>
>>> Depends how many large lesbians there are... :)
>>
>>I knew one or other of us would make that joke eventually.
>
>>It's not as interesting as Eminem's gay fans, for example.
>
> I always wondered who he could *possibly* appeal to... :)
Obviously, not all his fans are gay. But it's remarkable because of his own
attitudes.
>>>>>>The Hold Steady
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF are *they*?
>>>>
>>>>When I looked at the 7digital homepage this afternoon, it described them
>>>>as
>>>>a "Brooklyn-based, Springsteen-licking five-piece". Fortunately they've
>>>>rephrased it since.
>>>
>>> I noticed it prominently on the shelves yesterday, but I've seen no sign
>>> of any single to promo it, or that they're even known in the UK.
>>
>>I can assure you I haven't made them up!
>
> This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
Yeah, although I don't know offhand if they've all been released here.
>>>>>>And a fortnight after Seth Lakeman had a Top 10 album, who'd bet
>>>>>>against Jim Moray getting an album into the chart?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I have no clue who he is, I would have.
>>>>
>>>>Except that if you'd never heard of him, it wouldn't occur to you to bet
>>>>for
>>>>or against him, surely.
>>>
>>> Well, not *for* him, anyway...
>>
>>You wouldn't be going to the bookies suggesting random names either, would
>>you? If so I suggest professional help.
>>
> Really? ISTM that's how most people pick horses to bet on... :)
That's not the same as giving them random words and predicting it's the name
of a horse that won't win though!
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RbolZLB0Ek
Not really... :)
>
>>>Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
>>>pretty much every form of popular music
>>
>> Even Britpop? :)
>
>One of the biggest influences on the Britpop bands was The Kinks, and they
>started out as an R&B covers band, so yeah you can trace it back there. For
>that matter, the Pixies used to get namedropped a lot in that era too.
I'm sure there music be some music genres that didn't have roots in the
US - various varieties of classical, for example!
>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> Well, a lot more than an act that emerged in the download era could
>>>> expect...
>>>
>>>Possibly.
>>
>> To me there seems little room for doubt, especially in Madge's case.
>
>But then she sells more than average in any format, so what?
Nothing - I was originally just making an observation.
>
>>>>>>>> Re-entries : Sugababes
>>>>
>>>> Away writing another new album?
>>>
>>>Somebody probably is.
>>
>> What do you mean?
>
>AFAIK the group themselves only write lyrics, so I suspect the other writers
>have to do their bit first.
Of course, even writing the lyrics is more than most girl-groups do...
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> You mean 'a rapper covering a Kylie song' isn't enough? :)
>>>
>>>I don't know if he does his own rapping on it though - quite a few of his
>>>tracks feature other vocalists.
>>>At worst, it's just payback for 'Give Me Just A Little More Time'.
>>
>> Why - was that originally a rap song? :)
>
>Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't exactly
>been glorious.
Or have even *existed*, AFAIK - unless you have something specific in
mind?
>>>>
>>>> Just one in the T100 : 'Mamma Mia' at #95 (nine places below Abba's
>>>> original).
>>>
>>>I didn't necessarily mean this week - they'll presumably do better after
>>>people have seen the flick.
>>
>> But presumably so will Abba's original versions...
>
>Er, yes. Why the "but"?
Just for emphasis.
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>> I like the Kid Rock song, and I'd even prefer McFly to be #1, rather than
>> a rap song!
>
>Contradiction unintentional?
What contradiction?
>
>>>>>>>>McFly,
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the album give-away probably means a bigger 2nd week fall
>>>> than
>>>> even McFly have come to expect. :)
>>>
>>>I don't really know if that will matter.
>>
>> Well, it isn't likely to *increase* over-the-counter sales...
>
>No, but I think it's unlikely to decrease them very much either.
But they'll drop so quickly that any such effect would be masked anyway.
>
>> Apparently Annie is only T100. :(
>
>Sounds about right (in terms of plausibility I mean - I'm not expressing a
>preference)
Actually T50, per the Weds mids...
>
>>>>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Primal Scream
>>>
>>>Riot City Blues was
>>>part of an all-new Top 5 topped by Sandi Thom.
>>
>> I thought their big hit was 'Country Girl'?
>
>Yes - Riot City Blues was the album.
Oh, right.
>
>>>> But that was back when people actually bought physical singles...
>>>
>>>Not very many, though.
>>
>> I thought lots of people did... :)
>
>In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
>massive-selling year.
Tell that to bloody Will Young, who kept Shakira's brilliant 'Whenever
Wherever' off #1. :( :(
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>
>>>It's not as interesting as Eminem's gay fans, for example.
>>
>> I always wondered who he could *possibly* appeal to... :)
>
>Obviously, not all his fans are gay. But it's remarkable because of his own
>attitudes.
Presumably you are referring to particular lyrics?
I wouldn't know of course, because the only song of his I can stand to
listen to is 'Stan', for obvious reasons.
>
>>>>>>>The Hold Steady
>>
>> This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
>
>Yeah, although I don't know offhand if they've all been released here.
None have reached the T200 before, that's for certain.
Jan Buxton
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 at 19:28:42, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>> This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
>>
>> Yeah, although I don't know offhand if they've all been released here.
>
> None have reached the T200 before, that's for certain.
It looks like the first two records were released in 2007, in the wake
of the 'success' of 2006's Boys and Girls In America.
--
Jan
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 at 19:28:42, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>There a version with a different vocal here if it helps:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RbolZLB0Ek
>
> Not really... :)
Don't let it be said I didn't try.
>>>>Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
>>>>pretty much every form of popular music
>>>
>>> Even Britpop? :)
>>
>>One of the biggest influences on the Britpop bands was The Kinks, and they
>>started out as an R&B covers band, so yeah you can trace it back there.
>>For
>>that matter, the Pixies used to get namedropped a lot in that era too.
>
> I'm sure there music be some music genres that didn't have roots in the
> US - various varieties of classical, for example!
Well, yes, since many of them predate the existence of the USA entirely. But
that wasn't what I was talking about, as I referred specifically to popular
music - and I also said "outside Britain", which is not synonymous with the
US.
I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>>>> Re-entries : Sugababes
>>>>>
>>>>> Away writing another new album?
>>>>
>>>>Somebody probably is.
>>>
>>> What do you mean?
>>
>>AFAIK the group themselves only write lyrics, so I suspect the other
>>writers
>>have to do their bit first.
>
> Of course, even writing the lyrics is more than most girl-groups do...
We-ell, most of the recent ones have tended to have credits, if only on the
so-called "change a word, claim a third" principle. Girls Aloud are an
exception, though.
Of course, the 'Babes don't write all the lyrics either. They didn't write
'Ugly', or if they did they at least had the decency not to admit it.
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean 'a rapper covering a Kylie song' isn't enough? :)
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if he does his own rapping on it though - quite a few of
>>>>his
>>>>tracks feature other vocalists.
Incidentally, I think Alison Goldfrapp's first Top 40 appearance may have
been on Tricky's hit 'Pumpkin', so perhaps you owe him one.
>>>>At worst, it's just payback for 'Give Me Just A Little More Time'.
>>>
>>> Why - was that originally a rap song? :)
>>
>>Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't
>>exactly
>>been glorious.
>
> Or have even *existed*, AFAIK - unless you have something specific in
> mind?
Well, there's all that awful rapping on 'Kids' for a start.
Anyway, she's done enough soul music and that doesn't come naturally to her,
for all her other abilities as a performer.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>> I like the Kid Rock song, and I'd even prefer McFly to be #1, rather
>>> than
>>> a rap song!
>>
>>Contradiction unintentional?
>
> What contradiction?
Well, you wouldn't call that singing would you? ;-)
Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper - that was kind
of his gimmick.
>>>>>>>>>McFly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, the album give-away probably means a bigger 2nd week fall
>>>>> than
>>>>> even McFly have come to expect. :)
>>>>
>>>>I don't really know if that will matter.
>>>
>>> Well, it isn't likely to *increase* over-the-counter sales...
>>
>>No, but I think it's unlikely to decrease them very much either.
>
> But they'll drop so quickly that any such effect would be masked anyway.
Agreed. I just think that fans will buy it anyway, and most other people
wouldn't even if the album wasn't free. Although I'd be tempted just to
annoy people.
>>> Apparently Annie is only T100. :(
>>
>>Sounds about right (in terms of plausibility I mean - I'm not expressing a
>>preference)
>
> Actually T50, per the Weds mids...
Perhaps she was T100 on downloads then, and maybe T30 or so on physicals.
>>>>> But that was back when people actually bought physical singles...
>>>>
>>>>Not very many, though.
>>>
>>> I thought lots of people did... :)
>>
>>In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
>>massive-selling year.
>
> Tell that to bloody Will Young, who kept Shakira's brilliant 'Whenever
> Wherever' off #1. :( :(
It wasn't a big selling year for Number 26 singles though.
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>>>It's not as interesting as Eminem's gay fans, for example.
>>>
>>> I always wondered who he could *possibly* appeal to... :)
>>
>>Obviously, not all his fans are gay. But it's remarkable because of his
>>own
>>attitudes.
>
> Presumably you are referring to particular lyrics?
That and some of the things he said in interviews etc. Basically he (like
many other rappers) doesn't like teh gay.
> I wouldn't know of course, because the only song of his I can stand to
> listen to is 'Stan', for obvious reasons.
Because there's an instrumental version? ;-)
>>>>>>>>The Hold Steady
>>>
>>> This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
>>
>>Yeah, although I don't know offhand if they've all been released here.
>
> None have reached the T200 before, that's for certain.
It'll be interesting to see if we get any sales figures for previous
releases this weekend.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
>>>>>pretty much every form of popular music
>>>>
>>>> Even Britpop? :)
>>>
>>>One of the biggest influences on the Britpop bands was The Kinks, and they
>>>started out as an R&B covers band, so yeah you can trace it back there.
>>>For
>>>that matter, the Pixies used to get namedropped a lot in that era too.
>>
>> I'm sure there music be some music genres that didn't have roots in the
>> US - various varieties of classical, for example!
>
>Well, yes, since many of them predate the existence of the USA entirely.
I was going use that line myself, if you didn't.
>But
>that wasn't what I was talking about, as I referred specifically to popular
>music
Classical music is popular with some people... :)
>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>
>
>Incidentally, I think Alison Goldfrapp's first Top 40 appearance may have
>been on Tricky's hit 'Pumpkin', so perhaps you owe him one.
Can you find a way of blaming him for Goldfrapp's mediocre latest album,
by any chance? :)
>
>>>
>>>Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't
>>>exactly
>>>been glorious.
>>
>> Or have even *existed*, AFAIK - unless you have something specific in
>> mind?
>
>Well, there's all that awful rapping on 'Kids' for a start.
But that was Robbie, not her.
>Anyway, she's done enough soul music and that doesn't come naturally to her,
>for all her other abilities as a performer.
But rap *isn't* soul, any more than Heavy Metal is Rock & Roll.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper
By whom?
> - that was kind
>of his gimmick.
But I don't think anyone would claim 'All Summer Long' as being a rap
song...
>
>>>> Apparently Annie is only T100. :(
>>>
>>>Sounds about right (in terms of plausibility I mean - I'm not expressing a
>>>preference)
>>
>> Actually T50, per the Weds mids...
>
>Perhaps she was T100 on downloads then, and maybe T30 or so on physicals.
That sounds plausible, although I would guess T20 on physicals.
>>>
>>>In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
>>>massive-selling year.
>>
>> Tell that to bloody Will Young, who kept Shakira's brilliant 'Whenever
>> Wherever' off #1. :( :(
>
>It wasn't a big selling year for Number 26 singles though.
Twenty sixes? What does that have to do with anything?
>
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>>The Hold Steady
>>>>
>>>> This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
>>>
>>>Yeah, although I don't know offhand if they've all been released here.
>>
>> None have reached the T200 before, that's for certain.
>
>It'll be interesting to see if we get any sales figures for previous
>releases this weekend.
If they were ever released in the UK at all...
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 at 19:22:48, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>Of course rap originated outside Britain, but then that goes for
>>>>>>pretty much every form of popular music
>>>>>
>>>>> Even Britpop? :)
>>>>
>>>>One of the biggest influences on the Britpop bands was The Kinks, and
>>>>they
>>>>started out as an R&B covers band, so yeah you can trace it back there.
>>>>For
>>>>that matter, the Pixies used to get namedropped a lot in that era too.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there music be some music genres that didn't have roots in the
>>> US - various varieties of classical, for example!
>>
>>Well, yes, since many of them predate the existence of the USA entirely.
>
> I was going use that line myself, if you didn't.
Of course, it has developed since then, and there is a recognised American
classical tradition.
>>But
>>that wasn't what I was talking about, as I referred specifically to
>>popular
>>music
>
> Classical music is popular with some people... :)
Heh.
>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>
> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for [instert
name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>>Incidentally, I think Alison Goldfrapp's first Top 40 appearance may have
>>been on Tricky's hit 'Pumpkin', so perhaps you owe him one.
>
> Can you find a way of blaming him for Goldfrapp's mediocre latest album,
> by any chance? :)
Well, he isn't on it. Maybe that's the problem?
>>>>Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't
>>>>exactly
>>>>been glorious.
>>>
>>> Or have even *existed*, AFAIK - unless you have something specific in
>>> mind?
>>
>>Well, there's all that awful rapping on 'Kids' for a start.
>
> But that was Robbie, not her.
It's still a record she's on though, she's not getting away with it that
easily.
>>Anyway, she's done enough soul music and that doesn't come naturally to
>>her,
>>for all her other abilities as a performer.
>
> But rap *isn't* soul, any more than Heavy Metal is Rock & Roll.
No, but that's not really the point.
>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>
>>Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper
>
> By whom?
Everyone. His entire success was based on the novelty of him being some sort
of White Trash rapper, hence the fact that he sampled 'Rapper's Delight',
took a DJ on tour with him etc.
>> - that was kind
>>of his gimmick.
>
> But I don't think anyone would claim 'All Summer Long' as being a rap
> song...
Well, it's based on a couple of samples and it alludes to recreational drug
use...
>>>>> Apparently Annie is only T100. :(
>>>>
>>>>Sounds about right (in terms of plausibility I mean - I'm not expressing
>>>>a
>>>>preference)
>>>
>>> Actually T50, per the Weds mids...
>>
>>Perhaps she was T100 on downloads then, and maybe T30 or so on physicals.
>
> That sounds plausible, although I would guess T20 on physicals.
Maybe - I just plucked T30 out of the air because that was her best showing
on the physical-only chart.
>>>>In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
>>>>massive-selling year.
>>>
>>> Tell that to bloody Will Young, who kept Shakira's brilliant 'Whenever
>>> Wherever' off #1. :( :(
>>
>>It wasn't a big selling year for Number 26 singles though.
>
> Twenty sixes? What does that have to do with anything?
That's where I thought 'Miss Lucifer' had peaked.
>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>>>The Hold Steady
>>>>>
>>>>> This is their *fourth* album, apparently!
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, although I don't know offhand if they've all been released here.
>>>
>>> None have reached the T200 before, that's for certain.
>>
>>It'll be interesting to see if we get any sales figures for previous
>>releases this weekend.
>
> If they were ever released in the UK at all...
The one immediately before this certainly was. Jan said elsewhere in this
thread that the previous two have been as well, but they're not a band I
really follow.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>
>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>
>Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for [instert
>name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
Anyone particular in mind? :)
>
>
>>>>>Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't
>>>>>exactly
>>>>>been glorious.
>>>>
>>>> Or have even *existed*, AFAIK - unless you have something specific in
>>>> mind?
>>>
>>>Well, there's all that awful rapping on 'Kids' for a start.
>>
>> But that was Robbie, not her.
>
>It's still a record she's on though, she's not getting away with it that
>easily.
But Robbie isn't a rapper, not to mention him not being the usual colour
for it... :)
>
>>>Anyway, she's done enough soul music and that doesn't come naturally to
>>>her,
>>>for all her other abilities as a performer.
>>
>> But rap *isn't* soul, any more than Heavy Metal is Rock & Roll.
>
>No, but that's not really the point.
Then what *was* your point?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>>Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper
>>
>> By whom?
>
>Everyone. His entire success was based on the novelty of him being some sort
>of White Trash rapper, hence the fact that he sampled 'Rapper's Delight',
>took a DJ on tour with him etc.
Was that before Eminem emerged?
>
>>> - that was kind
>>>of his gimmick.
>>
>> But I don't think anyone would claim 'All Summer Long' as being a rap
>> song...
>
>Well, it's based on a couple of samples and it alludes to recreational drug
>use...
That could apply to half the songs out there, nowadays... :)
>
>>>>>In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
>>>>>massive-selling year.
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to bloody Will Young, who kept Shakira's brilliant 'Whenever
>>>> Wherever' off #1. :( :(
>>>
>>>It wasn't a big selling year for Number 26 singles though.
>>
>> Twenty sixes? What does that have to do with anything?
>
>That's where I thought 'Miss Lucifer' had peaked.
Who??
Chris Brown
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 at 17:43:30, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>
>>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>>
>>Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for [instert
>>name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>
> Anyone particular in mind? :)
I did have a couple of ideas, but they're not necessarily the ones you'd
agree with.
>>>>>>Well, it was a soul record. And her dalliances with hip-hop haven't
>>>>>>exactly
>>>>>>been glorious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or have even *existed*, AFAIK - unless you have something specific in
>>>>> mind?
>>>>
>>>>Well, there's all that awful rapping on 'Kids' for a start.
>>>
>>> But that was Robbie, not her.
>>
>>It's still a record she's on though, she's not getting away with it that
>>easily.
>
> But Robbie isn't a rapper, not to mention him not being the usual colour >
> for it... :)
I agree that he's not a rapper - but that's all the more reason he shouldn't
be doing it!
>>>>Anyway, she's done enough soul music and that doesn't come naturally to
>>>>her,
>>>>for all her other abilities as a performer.
>>>
>>> But rap *isn't* soul, any more than Heavy Metal is Rock & Roll.
>>
>>No, but that's not really the point.
>
> Then what *was* your point?
That she can't complain (and to be fair, hasn't) about people doing covers
of her songs that don't hit the mark, when she's done it often enough to
other people's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>>Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper
>>>
>>> By whom?
>>
>>Everyone. His entire success was based on the novelty of him being some
>>sort
>>of White Trash rapper, hence the fact that he sampled 'Rapper's Delight',
>>took a DJ on tour with him etc.
>
> Was that before Eminem emerged?
It was (Kid Rock's first US album release was in 1990) but in any case they
weren't doing quite the same thing.
>>>> - that was kind
>>>>of his gimmick.
>>>
>>> But I don't think anyone would claim 'All Summer Long' as being a rap
>>> song...
>>
>>Well, it's based on a couple of samples and it alludes to recreational
>>drug
>>use...
>
> That could apply to half the songs out there, nowadays... :)
Er, yes that was sort of the joke.
But I do wonder in all seriousness whether people here would regard it as
one if it had been made by somebody who was known as a rapper.
>>>>>>In 2002? Well, more people than do now, obviously, but it wasn't a
>>>>>>massive-selling year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to bloody Will Young, who kept Shakira's brilliant 'Whenever
>>>>> Wherever' off #1. :( :(
>>>>
>>>>It wasn't a big selling year for Number 26 singles though.
>>>
>>> Twenty sixes? What does that have to do with anything?
>>
>>That's where I thought 'Miss Lucifer' had peaked.
>
> Who??
Well, we can all come up with our own theories, I'm sure. ;-)
It's the title of a single by Primal Scream which I was using as an example
of their ability to sell even not-very-commercial singles. Official video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvPQsreE0PA
It was in 2002, which is why we were mentioning the year at all. By the
looks of things, times have changed.
*****************
By the way, I'm moving in the next couple of days. So expect either no posts
or lots of them.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>
>>>>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>>
>>>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>>>
>>>Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for [instert
>>>name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>>
>> Anyone particular in mind? :)
>
>I did have a couple of ideas, but they're not necessarily the ones you'd
>agree with.
Since when did that ever stop you? :)
I assumed one would be Coldplay...
>>
>> Then what *was* your point?
>
>That she can't complain (and to be fair, hasn't) about people doing covers
>of her songs that don't hit the mark, when she's done it often enough to
>other people's.
Of course, it depends on how you define 'hitting the mark' - musically,
or by chart success (or even some other factor)?
>>>>
>>>>>Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper
>>>>
>>>> By whom?
>>>
>>>Everyone. His entire success was based on the novelty of him being some
>>>sort
>>>of White Trash rapper, hence the fact that he sampled 'Rapper's Delight',
>>>took a DJ on tour with him etc.
>>
>> Was that before Eminem emerged?
>
>It was (Kid Rock's first US album release was in 1990)
Thought he didn't actually chart one until 1999.
> but in any case they
>weren't doing quite the same thing.
Before this current single, about all I knew about him was that he was
married to Pammie, and appeared in a Simpsons episode.
>
>By the way, I'm moving in the next couple of days. So expect either no posts
>or lots of them.
I'll try & post my chart commentary early then, as I doubt you'll be
moving on Sunday night... :)
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 at 00:27:54, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>>>
>>>>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>>>>
>>>>Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for
>>>>[instert
>>>>name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>>>
>>> Anyone particular in mind? :)
>>
>>I did have a couple of ideas, but they're not necessarily the ones you'd
>>agree with.
>
> Since when did that ever stop you? :)
Fair point.
> I assumed one would be Coldplay...
No, because I actually quite like them - and whilst they have American
influences they're not an obviously American-sounding band.
If you must know, I had Led Zep in mind.
>>> Then what *was* your point?
>>
>>That she can't complain (and to be fair, hasn't) about people doing covers
>>of her songs that don't hit the mark, when she's done it often enough to
>>other people's.
>
> Of course, it depends on how you define 'hitting the mark' - musically, or
> by chart success (or even some other factor)?
In this context, I mean musically.
>>>>>>Seriously, Kid Rock certainly used to be considered a rapper
>>>>>
>>>>> By whom?
>>>>
>>>>Everyone. His entire success was based on the novelty of him being some
>>>>sort
>>>>of White Trash rapper, hence the fact that he sampled 'Rapper's
>>>>Delight',
>>>>took a DJ on tour with him etc.
>>>
>>> Was that before Eminem emerged?
>>
>>It was (Kid Rock's first US album release was in 1990)
>
> Thought he didn't actually chart one until 1999.
In the US you mean?
>> but in any case they
>>weren't doing quite the same thing.
>
> Before this current single, about all I knew about him was that he was
> married to Pammie, and appeared in a Simpsons episode.
Which doesn't narrow things down too much!
I suppose a summary of the difference would be that Eminem was obviously
steeped in hip-hop culture and therefore wanted to sound like other rappers.
Kid Rock obviously (and perhaps cynically) brought in other influences and
imagery, hence the name. Oddly enough, he's also tended to play up to a sort
of Southern cowboy image, although they're both from the same state.
>>By the way, I'm moving in the next couple of days. So expect either no
>>posts
>>or lots of them.
>
> I'll try & post my chart commentary early then, as I doubt you'll be
> moving on Sunday night... :)
I wasn't, but I did already have the keys to this place so I'd been moving
stuff earlier in the day. And I had packing to do.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for
>>>>>[instert
>>>>>name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>>>>
>>>> Anyone particular in mind? :)
>
>
>No, because I actually quite like them
A notable admission on a newsgroup where they are one of those acts that
people love to hate... :)
> - and whilst they have American
>influences
Martin marrying Paltrow, you mean? :)
> they're not an obviously American-sounding band.
>If you must know, I had Led Zep in mind.
Never really been able to get into them, myself.
Re : Kylie
>>
>> Of course, it depends on how you define 'hitting the mark' - musically, or
>> by chart success (or even some other factor)?
>
>In this context, I mean musically.
Fair comment - though that was mostly in the SAW phase.
Nowadays, of course, she is famous enough for people to cue up to write
songs for her, not to mention co-writing some herself.
>>>
>>>It was (Kid Rock's first US album release was in 1990)
>>
>> Thought he didn't actually chart one until 1999.
>
>In the US you mean?
Yes.
>>
>> Before this current single, about all I knew about him was that he was
>> married to Pammie, and appeared in a Simpsons episode.
>
>Which doesn't narrow things down too much!
The former or the latter? :)
>
>>>By the way, I'm moving in the next couple of days. So expect either no
>>>posts
>>>or lots of them.
>>
>> I'll try & post my chart commentary early then, as I doubt you'll be
>> moving on Sunday night... :)
>
>I wasn't, but I did already have the keys to this place so I'd been moving
>stuff earlier in the day. And I had packing to do.
I take it you've now started to settle in your new place. Same area?
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 at 23:15:05, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for
>>>>>>[instert
>>>>>>name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone particular in mind? :)
>>
>>> I assumed one would be Coldplay...
>>
>>No, because I actually quite like them
>
> A notable admission on a newsgroup where they are one of those acts that
> people love to hate... :)
Which group did you have in mind? There aren't a lot of people you could
call regulars on the chart group, and Jan likes them.
>> - and whilst they have American
>>influences
>
> Martin marrying Paltrow, you mean? :)
Heh.
>> they're not an obviously American-sounding band.
>>If you must know, I had Led Zep in mind.
>
> Never really been able to get into them, myself.
Well, neither did I obviously - but I knew a lot of people would disagree
and I didn't want that to distract from the original point.
> Re : Kylie
>>>
>>> Of course, it depends on how you define 'hitting the mark' - musically,
>>> or
>>> by chart success (or even some other factor)?
>>
>>In this context, I mean musically.
>
> Fair comment - though that was mostly in the SAW phase.
>
> Nowadays, of course, she is famous enough for people to cue up to write
> songs for her, not to mention co-writing some herself.
She only lets snooker players write songs for her now? ;-)
I know what you mean, but that still doesn't mean she can't or wouldn't do
cover versions.
>>>>It was (Kid Rock's first US album release was in 1990)
>>>
>>> Thought he didn't actually chart one until 1999.
>>
>>In the US you mean?
>
> Yes.
Thought so, but I hadn't unpacked that book yet.
>>> Before this current single, about all I knew about him was that he was
>>> married to Pammie, and appeared in a Simpsons episode.
>>
>>Which doesn't narrow things down too much!
>
> The former or the latter? :)
Well, either of them frankly.
>>>>By the way, I'm moving in the next couple of days. So expect either no
>>>>posts
>>>>or lots of them.
>>>
>>> I'll try & post my chart commentary early then, as I doubt you'll be
>>> moving on Sunday night... :)
>>
>>I wasn't, but I did already have the keys to this place so I'd been moving
>>stuff earlier in the day. And I had packing to do.
>
> I take it you've now started to settle in your new place. Same area?
Yep, only about ten minutes' walk up the road. But ten minutes can feel like
quite a long time when you're carrying a box of CDs.
Chris
Jan Buxton
> "Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:+0TmnxA5...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 at 23:15:05, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>> I think our greatest contribution to pop has been our alchemy.
>>>>>>>> As in persuading people that something shit is actually gold? :)
>>>>>>> Well, that's not quite what I intended, but it would account for
>>>>>>> [instert
>>>>>>> name of undeservedly world-famous UK act here].
>>>>>> Anyone particular in mind? :)
>>>> I assumed one would be Coldplay...
>>> No, because I actually quite like them
>> A notable admission on a newsgroup where they are one of those acts that
>> people love to hate... :)
>
> Which group did you have in mind? There aren't a lot of people you could
> call regulars on the chart group, and Jan likes them.
Indeed.
>>> they're not an obviously American-sounding band.
>>> If you must know, I had Led Zep in mind.
>> Never really been able to get into them, myself.
>
> Well, neither did I obviously - but I knew a lot of people would disagree
Indeed we would. Led Zep were great.
--
Jan
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>> I assumed one would be Coldplay...
>>>
>>>No, because I actually quite like them
>>
>> A notable admission on a newsgroup where they are one of those acts that
>> people love to hate... :)
>
>Which group did you have in mind?
Uk.media.tv.misc, which I also subscribe (and cross-post this) to, even
if you don't.
>>
>> Fair comment - though that was mostly in the SAW phase.
>>
>> Nowadays, of course, she is famous enough for people to cue up to write
>> songs for her, not to mention co-writing some herself.
>
>She only lets snooker players write songs for her now? ;-)
I spotted that one too late... :)
>I know what you mean, but that still doesn't mean she can't or wouldn't do
>cover versions.
AFAIK she hasn't released any of them as singles recently, though.
>>>
>>>I wasn't, but I did already have the keys to this place so I'd been moving
>>>stuff earlier in the day. And I had packing to do.
>>
>> I take it you've now started to settle in your new place. Same area?
>
>Yep, only about ten minutes' walk up the road. But ten minutes can feel like
>quite a long time when you're carrying a box of CDs.
Never mind an armchair... :)
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 at 19:45:12, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>> I assumed one would be Coldplay...
>>>>
>>>>No, because I actually quite like them
>>>
>>> A notable admission on a newsgroup where they are one of those acts that
>>> people love to hate... :)
>>
>>Which group did you have in mind?
>
> Uk.media.tv.misc, which I also subscribe (and cross-post this) to, even if
> you don't.
Aha. Well, I don't really think about them.
>>> Fair comment - though that was mostly in the SAW phase.
>>>
>>> Nowadays, of course, she is famous enough for people to cue up to write
>>> songs for her, not to mention co-writing some herself.
>>
>>She only lets snooker players write songs for her now? ;-)
>
> I spotted that one too late... :)
>
>>I know what you mean, but that still doesn't mean she can't or wouldn't
>>do
>>cover versions.
>
> AFAIK she hasn't released any of them as singles recently, though.
Nope.
Apparently 'Where Is The Feeling?' was a cover version but the last time I
can remember her charting a cover of a song people already would have know
was in 1992. That's not counting the digital release of 'Over The Rainbow'.
That said, I wouldn't be too surprised if she did have to resort to the
standards album next.
>>>>I wasn't, but I did already have the keys to this place so I'd been
>>>>moving
>>>>stuff earlier in the day. And I had packing to do.
>>>
>>> I take it you've now started to settle in your new place. Same area?
>>
>>Yep, only about ten minutes' walk up the road. But ten minutes can feel
>>like
>>quite a long time when you're carrying a box of CDs.
>
> Never mind an armchair... :)
Fortunately, I don't own one of them.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
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Re : Kylie
>Apparently 'Where Is The Feeling?' was a cover version but the last time I
>can remember her charting a cover of a song people already would have know
>was in 1992. That's not counting the digital release of 'Over The Rainbow'.
>That said, I wouldn't be too surprised if she did have to resort to the
>standards album next.
I agree it would be a good idea for her to concentrate on her pop/dance
staple next time, at least for the tracks intended to be singles - if
she wants to experiment, do it with the album tracks that few give a
crap about.
Alternatively, she could release a double album - one disc of classic
pop/dance, one of more experimental stuff.
For an established artist to experiment with different sounds is a good
thing, as long as they recognise if/when the experiment has failed, and
don't repeat the mistake next time.
Ms Goldfrapp take note...