Chart Commentary 13/8/05
Paul Hyett
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James Blunt #1 again, by a significant margin.
Top 10 : Ciara #4, Texas #6, Game #8
Top 20 : none
Top 30 : Lemar #21, Rakes #28,
Top 40 : Morning Runner #39
Just 6 new entries and 2 re-entries, plus 5 climbers.
FFS, *someone* release some good new singles - the chart is getting
staler than a year-old loaf!
Albums
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Ditto to singles.
Lee Ryan #6, Madness #11 & Kirsty MacColl #17 are the only NE's to the
top 20 this week.
Next Week
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Singles
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Still nothing that could remotely challenge James Blunt.
Top 10 : Craig David, Akon, Goldfrapp.
Top 20 : Magic Numbers, Axwell, Supergrass
Top 30 : Longview, Nine Black Alps
Top 40 : Lady Sovreign, Willy Mason, Frankie J
Other possibles : Faith Evans, Mattafix
Albums
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Can't see JB being shifted here, either.
Can only see Daniel Powter entering the top 20 (in the top 5) in another
sparse week for NE's.
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> Top 10 : Craig David, Akon, Goldfrapp.
The bass line to that Goldfrapp song is a rip-off of the bass line from
'Spirit in the Sky'.
There's not much originality in the chart these days.
Dom Robinson
says...
>
> Paul Hyett <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in
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> > Top 10 : Craig David, Akon, Goldfrapp.
>
> The bass line to that Goldfrapp song is a rip-off of the bass line from
> 'Spirit in the Sky'.
>
machine's got stuck.
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Deano
I'd just like to say that The Magic Numbers are rubbish. One of their songs
sounds just like The Kings of Leon with all the excitement drained out of
it. And The Kings of Leon aren't exactly the most compelling act around.
Chris Brown
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> In article <Xns96ABDA...@195.188.240.200>, anthon...@hotmail.com
> says...
>>
>> Paul Hyett <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:q9iwZJAQ...@activist.demon.co.uk:
>>
>> > Top 10 : Craig David, Akon, Goldfrapp.
>>
>> The bass line to that Goldfrapp song is a rip-off of the bass line from
>> 'Spirit in the Sky'.
>>
> Sounds like she's copied part of the "Strict Machine" track and the
> sampling
> machine's got stuck.
Surely they, not she?
But yes, as if hearing 'Strict Machine' both the times it was a hit, and in
those adverts, and by proxy in the Rachel Stevens record, wasn't enough,
they've brilliantly managed to combine it with one of the most over-familiar
riffs of all time, thus creating a record that sounds over-exposed the
second time you hear it. Ker-ching!
Chris
Chris Brown
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> Singles
> -------
> James Blunt #1 again, by a significant margin.
This week, my wife says he sounds like Joshua Kadison.
I haven't got much else left to say about this one.
> Top 10 : Ciara #4,
Sounding a lot like '1,2 Step' with a different rap on it, but at a quiet
time for new releases this becomes the highest new entry more or less by
default.
Apparently the album's being re-promoted, whatever difference that will
make.
>Texas #6,
Comfortably outdoing their last hit, which limped to Number 40 at Christmas
2003 despite being in Love Actually. In fact, this is their highest chart
position since both the new singles from their Greatest Hits collection also
peaked at 6. Pity it's not a better record.
>Game #8
We'll put this down to the power of Kanye West, shall we.
> Top 30 : Lemar #21,
Missing the Top 20 for the first time in his career, of course. A few days
ago, Steve Wright played the record immediately after 'Never Give Up On A
Good Thing' by George Benson, which wasn't flattering.
>Rakes #28,
A few places behind the last one, which won't be the direction they want to
go on, especially now they've traded up to a bigger label.
> Top 40 : Morning Runner #39
Not a big radio hit, but they seem to have built up some sort of following.
It's probably best not to mention The Departure then.
> Just 6 new entries and 2 re-entries, plus 5 climbers.
Most notable among those re-entries being of course Kaiser Chiefs,
effectively through downloads only (I have seen a few Australian import CDs
on the shelves, but I don't know whether they're being counted).
Down below, Will Smith finally leaves the Top 40, falling all the way to,
er, 41.
A lot of bit drifts since Monday:
46: Test Icicles
52: Arcade Fire - maybe they weren't downloading it after all
55: Thomas Falke
61: Alfie
62: Turin Brakes - their lowest chart entry since their very first, even
with all the exposure it got in Radio 2's trailers. The album is growing on
me, as you'll all be fascinated to know.
72: Faithless 'God Is A DJ'
73: Faithless 'We Come 1'
75: Eric Prydz climbs a handful of places while he's still eligible to.
This obviously bears out XFM's promise of a very high chart position for
Twisted X - "so high it's in three figures" indeed.
> FFS, *someone* release some good new singles - the chart is getting
> staler than a year-old loaf!
At this stage, even bad singles that distract people from the Audio Bullys
are not an unappealing prospect. ;-)
As we know, though, big singles are coming, but they await the big autumn
albums market.
> Albums
> ------
> Ditto to singles.
>
> Lee Ryan #6,
Still not much evidence of him attracting interest beyond Blue fans, for all
that this was R2's Album Of The Week.
>Madness #11
Even after its slip from midweek, this is still their highest-charting new
album since Keep Moving, though of course Divine Madness was a Number One on
1992. No doubt V2 were hoping to emulate the success of Paul Weller's covers
set last year, and in relative terms I suppose they have.
>& Kirsty MacColl #17
A pleasure to see an often-underrated talent make an appearance in the
charts, although her 1995 best-of managed to go Top 10. Of course, she was
able to promote that one in person, and this follows in short order from a
more comprehensive triple-CD anthology for maximum confusion.
>are the only NE's to the
> top 20 this week.
War Of The Worlds has equalled its all-time peak again.
Chris Rea's fourth best-of manages a respectable enough 24, and the only
other new entry in the top 75 is another best-of, from Public Enemy, who at
least haven't put one out before. There are some unsurprising re-entries for
Athlete, Kanye West, Maroon 5 and Jamie Cullum.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Still nothing that could remotely challenge James Blunt.
A couple that could remotely, but not strongly.
> Top 10 : Craig David,
He's been away for three years and this is the best he can come up with? I'm
sure it'll do OK though.
>Akon,
Can I just take this opportunity to laugh at all the people who got all
pretentious about Akon when 'Locked Up' was selling on import?
This is following a big Number One of course, so I reckon it might be the
highest entry.
>Goldfrapp.
Bit of a stretch for them, but certainly not impossible given all the
airplay. Unless people thing they've already got it.;-)
> Top 20 : Magic Numbers,
Anyone else think this might sneak the Top 10? It's obviously timed for the
festival season and it's been all over serious radio.
>Axwell,
Just Googled him. It's dance music, so I refrain from comment.
> Top 30 : Longview,
That's where it went first time round, of course. The idea of re-issuing it
is presumably to get higher, but I'm not convinced it will.
> Top 40 : Lady Sovreign, Willy Mason, Frankie J
Willy Mason's single is a four-track CD. I've heard of Frankie J, but if
I've heard the record I've already forgotten it.
> Other possibles : Faith Evans, Mattafix
Faith Evans doesn't seem to have the push behind her that she had last time,
and the album's not done much. Mattafix has been a big R1 record, even if
that's a triumph of hope over experience, but if the tracklistings I'm
looking at are right they're going to get one of their CD formats
disallowed.
There's also something called Cazz, but that appears to be dance again, and
apparently the new Mitchell Brothers one is out tomorrow, although they've
flopped twice before.
> Albums
> ------
> Can't see JB being shifted here, either.
Definitely not.
> Can only see Daniel Powter entering the top 20 (in the top 5) in another
> sparse week for NE's.
Still not really getting the Daniel Powter thing, but after two weeks at 2
in the singles chart, you'd hardly bet against it.
I left my list in the office, but the only other album I thought had the
remotest chance of going Top 20 was Staind, and I stress the word "remotest"
there. I wouldn't rule out Richard Thompson for possible Top 40 action in a
quiet week though.
Chris
Chris Brown
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> Paul Hyett wrote:
>
> I'd just like to say that The Magic Numbers are rubbish. One of their
> songs
> sounds just like The Kings of Leon with all the excitement drained out of
> it. And The Kings of Leon aren't exactly the most compelling act around.
They sound more like the Banana Splits though. And even look a bit more like
them too:
http://franklarosa.com/vinyl/Exhibit.jsp?AlbumID=65
Chris
Paul Hyett
>
>"Paul Hyett" <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Singles
>> -------
>> James Blunt #1 again, by a significant margin.
>
>This week, my wife says he sounds like Joshua Kadison.
>I haven't got much else left to say about this one.
Except that I have no idea who Joshua Kadison is....
>
>> Top 10 : Ciara #4,
>
>Sounding a lot like '1,2 Step' with a different rap on it, but at a quiet
>time for new releases
Understatement of the year!
>
>>Game #8
>
>We'll put this down to the power of Kanye West, shall we.
Why - was he also on it?
>
>> Top 30 : Lemar #21,
>
>Missing the Top 20 for the first time in his career, of course. A few days
>ago, Steve Wright played the record immediately after 'Never Give Up On A
>Good Thing' by George Benson, which wasn't flattering.
Maybe we'll hear nothing more from him for a while, then?
>
>>Rakes #28,
>
>A few places behind the last one, which won't be the direction they want to
>go on, especially now they've traded up to a bigger label.
Then release a better song!
>
>> Just 6 new entries and 2 re-entries, plus 5 climbers.
>
>Most notable among those re-entries being of course Kaiser Chiefs,
>effectively through downloads only
Wonder how it'll do when officially re-released?
>
>Down below, Will Smith finally leaves the Top 40
Thank goodness - now let's have Amarillo join it.
>72: Faithless 'God Is A DJ'
>73: Faithless 'We Come 1'
>75: Eric Prydz climbs a handful of places while he's still eligible to.
I have a feeling if he's still selling enough for a top 75 position
after week 52, he won't be excluded. Most of the old exclusion rules
didn't apply to the top 75 positions.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Ditto to singles.
>>
>> Lee Ryan #6,
>
>Still not much evidence of him attracting interest beyond Blue fans, for all
>that this was R2's Album Of The Week.
Not much competition for that, though.
>
>>& Kirsty MacColl #17
>
>A pleasure to see an often-underrated talent make an appearance in the
>charts, although her 1995 best-of managed to go Top 10. Of course, she was
>able to promote that one in person, and this follows in short order from a
>more comprehensive triple-CD anthology for maximum confusion.
This was up from #42 on Monday!
>
>War Of The Worlds has equalled its all-time peak again.
Could it set a new peak after 27 years? That would surely be a record!
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Still nothing that could remotely challenge James Blunt.
>
>A couple that could remotely, but not strongly.
>
>> Top 10 : Craig David,
>
>He's been away for three years and this is the best he can come up with? I'm
>sure it'll do OK though.
Radio station drones seem to like it.
>
>>Akon,
>
>Can I just take this opportunity to laugh at all the people who got all
>pretentious about Akon when 'Locked Up' was selling on import?
>This is following a big Number One of course, so I reckon it might be the
>highest entry.
Might not be saying much, as just 20k will probably get you to #2 this
week.
>
>>Goldfrapp.
>
>Bit of a stretch for them, but certainly not impossible given all the
>airplay. Unless people thing they've already got it.;-)
Why should they - it's been 30 years since the glam-rock period ended...
>
>> Top 20 : Magic Numbers,
>
>Anyone else think this might sneak the Top 10? It's obviously timed for the
>festival season and it's been all over serious radio.
I just assumed that since 'Forever Lost' didn't, this one couldn't.
>> Top 30 : Longview,
>
>That's where it went first time round, of course. The idea of re-issuing it
>is presumably to get higher, but I'm not convinced it will.
There's been a lot of indie rock reissuing recently, often not very
successfully.
>
>> Top 40 : Lady Sovreign, Willy Mason, Frankie J
>
>> Other possibles : Faith Evans, Mattafix
>
>Faith Evans doesn't seem to have the push behind her that she had last time,
>and the album's not done much. Mattafix has been a big R1 record
Not enough to chart it in the airplay listing.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Can't see JB being shifted here, either.
>
>Definitely not.
>
>> Can only see Daniel Powter entering the top 20 (in the top 5) in another
>> sparse week for NE's.
>
>Still not really getting the Daniel Powter thing, but after two weeks at 2
>in the singles chart, you'd hardly bet against it.
I'd prefer to ignore it - he's lacking what James Blunt seems to have.
Col
> >
> I have a feeling if he's still selling enough for a top 75 position
> after week 52, he won't be excluded. Most of the old exclusion rules
> didn't apply to the top 75 positions.
Who on earth is still buying this?
Downloads?
Col
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I just know that something good is gonna happen.
Robbie
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Chris Brown wrote :
>
>>"Paul Hyett" <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:q9iwZJAQ...@activist.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>>Singles
>>>-------
>>>James Blunt #1 again, by a significant margin.
>>
>>This week, my wife says he sounds like Joshua Kadison.
>>I haven't got much else left to say about this one.
>
>
> Except that I have no idea who Joshua Kadison is....
mid-90s one hit wonder, song called Jessie which was played to death and
was a top 20 hit.
>
>>72: Faithless 'God Is A DJ'
>>73: Faithless 'We Come 1'
>>75: Eric Prydz climbs a handful of places while he's still eligible to.
>
>
> I have a feeling if he's still selling enough for a top 75 position
> after week 52, he won't be excluded. Most of the old exclusion rules
> didn't apply to the top 75 positions.
The chart rules still seem to be getting written as events unfold. That
would probably account for why they are still publicly unavailable. I
doubt if the record will be in the top 75 in 4 weeks time, but if it is
I'm sure the OCC will make a decision on what to do with the song. I'm
sure there is no rule that excludes top 75 records from the 52 week rule
as I'm certain some records have been removed from the Sunday chart
where they were top 75 in the midweeks, because they didn't have a
physical release in the past 52 weeks.
My guess is that Call On Me is perhaps gearing itself up for a re-issue
to allow it to continue to be included in the chart come September
(albeit as a re-issue and a technical new entry) and this is just the
record label shipping excess stock of the existing product to stores. As
the record has been selling at a small but consistent rate over the past
few months it's likely there is still the demand for the physical
product and the extra copies are meeting that demand. Of course, this
could mean it's just the record label trying to get rid of excess stock
before it's excluded and there may be no intention of a re-issue in the
immediate future... either way, I'm sure the record will drop
considerably over the next two or three weeks though as demand for the
record is more than met.
Robbie
Chris Brown
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Chris Brown wrote :
>>
>>"Paul Hyett" <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> James Blunt #1 again, by a significant margin.
>>
>>This week, my wife says he sounds like Joshua Kadison.
>>I haven't got much else left to say about this one.
>
> Except that I have no idea who Joshua Kadison is....
I think that's partly the point - she couldn't actually remember his name,
but she said "that guy who had that one hit with 'Jessie'", which is all I
expect anyone remembers about him now, though he did scrape a second Top 40
hit. Everyone said he sounded like Elton John at the time.
>>>Game #8
>>
>>We'll put this down to the power of Kanye West, shall we.
>
> Why - was he also on it?
Not as a vocalist, but he did produce it, a fact which Game draws attention
to more than once in the lyrics.
>>> Top 30 : Lemar #21,
>>
>>Missing the Top 20 for the first time in his career, of course. A few days
>>ago, Steve Wright played the record immediately after 'Never Give Up On A
>>Good Thing' by George Benson, which wasn't flattering.
>
> Maybe we'll hear nothing more from him for a while, then?
There were only three singles from his first album, so that looks like a
safe bet anyway.
>>>Rakes #28,
>>
>>A few places behind the last one, which won't be the direction they want
>>to
>>go on, especially now they've traded up to a bigger label.
>
> Then release a better song!
That seems a fair point, although I haven't actually heard this single.
>>> Just 6 new entries and 2 re-entries, plus 5 climbers.
>>
>>Most notable among those re-entries being of course Kaiser Chiefs,
>>effectively through downloads only
>
> Wonder how it'll do when officially re-released?
I'm pretty confident that this will be one of the ones that does better than
the first time round. Probably Top 10, although it is coming out on the
22nd, so it could be crowded out by some of the competition.
>>Down below, Will Smith finally leaves the Top 40
>
> Thank goodness - now let's have Amarillo join it.
Thing is, in these days of the combined chart, you can't trust a record that
drops out of the 40 to stay out.
>>75: Eric Prydz climbs a handful of places while he's still eligible to.
>
> I have a feeling if he's still selling enough for a top 75 position
> after week 52, he won't be excluded. Most of the old exclusion rules
> didn't apply to the top 75 positions.
And as Robbie has beaten me to saying, we don't even know what the new ones
are for real.
While we're on the subject of low chart entries, I can now confirm that
Twisted X entered at 92.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Ditto to singles.
>>>
>>> Lee Ryan #6,
>>
>>Still not much evidence of him attracting interest beyond Blue fans, for
>>all
>>that this was R2's Album Of The Week.
>
> Not much competition for that, though.
No, although they don't insist on it being released that exact week. This
week, BTW, it's Nate "not Tyler" James.
>>>& Kirsty MacColl #17
>>
> This was up from #42 on Monday!
I know, and there were similar movements for Chris Rea and Public Enemy.
Meanwhile, you got the exact opposite with some of the singles entries,
which makes me wonder exactly what the deal was with those midweeks.
>>War Of The Worlds has equalled its all-time peak again.
>
> Could it set a new peak after 27 years? That would surely be a record!
No, it'd be two records! </old joke>
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Top 10 : Craig David,
>>
>>He's been away for three years and this is the best he can come up with?
>>I'm
>>sure it'll do OK though.
>
> Radio station drones seem to like it.
Well, he's a big name still, even if Capital no longer have a stake in his
record company.
If this fails though, he's really in trouble.
>>>Goldfrapp.
>>
>>Bit of a stretch for them, but certainly not impossible given all the
>>airplay. Unless people thing they've already got it.;-)
>
> Why should they - it's been 30 years since the glam-rock period ended...
Only two years since the last time 'Spirit in the Sky' was Number One
though. And even less since 'Strict Machine' and 'Train'.
>>> Top 20 : Magic Numbers,
>>
>>Anyone else think this might sneak the Top 10? It's obviously timed for
>>the
>>festival season and it's been all over serious radio.
>
> I just assumed that since 'Forever Lost' didn't, this one couldn't.
I don't think it's any more than a possibility, but they seem to have
slightly more profile now. Just think how well they could do if they were as
good as people said.
>>> Top 30 : Longview,
>>
>>That's where it went first time round, of course. The idea of re-issuing
>>it
>>is presumably to get higher, but I'm not convinced it will.
>
> There's been a lot of indie rock reissuing recently, often not very
> successfully.
That's the second one in this post in fact... maybe we should start a
separate NG for them. ;-)
No, seriously, I am pleased to see that I was right about The Bravery, who
are indeed releasing 'Unconditional' again.
> Mattafix has been a big R1 record
>
> Not enough to chart it in the airplay listing.
No, but if nobody else is playing it, they'd have to play it *a lot* to get
it up there. I don't particularly like the record, but I can't knock R1 for
playing it.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Can only see Daniel Powter entering the top 20 (in the top 5) in another
>>> sparse week for NE's.
>>
>>Still not really getting the Daniel Powter thing, but after two weeks at 2
>>in the singles chart, you'd hardly bet against it.
>
> I'd prefer to ignore it - he's lacking what James Blunt seems to have.
I don't even know what JB has, so I'm clearly on a loser.
I looked back at my list, BTW. Very little out, but a couple of metal bands
that might make the Top 75, and a possible minor hit for Lulu, who gives Sir
Elton John a credit as Executive Producer.
Chris
Rich Wilson
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>> >
>> I have a feeling if he's still selling enough for a top 75 position
>> after week 52, he won't be excluded. Most of the old exclusion rules
>> didn't apply to the top 75 positions.
>
> Who on earth is still buying this?
> Downloads?
Just how many copies do you have to sell to be in the top 75 anyway? Half a
dozen a week...?!
Paul Hyett
>
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>> >
>> I have a feeling if he's still selling enough for a top 75 position
>> after week 52, he won't be excluded. Most of the old exclusion rules
>> didn't apply to the top 75 positions.
>
>Who on earth is still buying this?
>Downloads?
I've always wondered about that - 'Call On Me' has never made the
download chart, even though its chart run began after the download
chart was instigated.
Robbie
It's not available on download. That may account for its lack of
download sales!
Robbie
Col
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>
>
> Just how many copies do you have to sell to be in the top 75 anyway? Half a
> dozen a week...?!
>
I wonder why there never seems to be any tied positions in the chart.
In the early 80's I recall it happening *very* ocaisionally, say in the
20's and 30's. But now it never happens. I would have thought that with
sales being so much lower, it would be more likely.
Robbie
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>
>>Just how many copies do you have to sell to be in the top 75 anyway? Half a
>>dozen a week...?!
>>
>
>
> I wonder why there never seems to be any tied positions in the chart.
> In the early 80's I recall it happening *very* ocaisionally, say in the
> 20's and 30's. But now it never happens. I would have thought that with
> sales being so much lower, it would be more likely.
>
> Col
It was the early 90s. The highest joint position was #19, which happened
two weeks in a row in February 1993. The rules up to November 1990
allowed for records to be seperated by the song which had showed the
most growth from the week previous. Then when there could have been a
joint number one they changed the rules to allow for joint chart
positions. They changed again in March 1994, since when there hasn't
been a joint chart position. I don't know how they seperate them these
days...
Robbie
Col
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> It was the early 90s. The highest joint position was #19, which happened
> two weeks in a row in February 1993. The rules up to November 1990
> allowed for records to be seperated by the song which had showed the
> most growth from the week previous. Then when there could have been a
> joint number one they changed the rules to allow for joint chart
> positions. They changed again in March 1994, since when there hasn't
> been a joint chart position. I don't know how they seperate them these
> days...
That possible joint no.1, would that have been The Steve Miller Band - 'The
Joker'/Dee-Lite - 'Grove is in the heart'?
I have vague recollections that in one week 'The Joker' beat 'Grove is in
the Heart' by literally a handful of copies, possibly fewer than 5.
Sadly for Dee-Lite, they never made it......
Paul Hyett
>>
>> Except that I have no idea who Joshua Kadison is....
>
>I think that's partly the point - she couldn't actually remember his name,
>but she said "that guy who had that one hit with 'Jessie'", which is all I
>expect anyone remembers about him now
I don't even remember *that*.
>
>>>>Game #8
>>>
>>>We'll put this down to the power of Kanye West, shall we.
>>
>> Why - was he also on it?
>
>Not as a vocalist, but he did produce it, a fact which Game draws attention
>to more than once in the lyrics.
ISTM rappers are afraid to go solo - something to do with their often-
dubious backgrounds? :)
>
>>>> Just 6 new entries and 2 re-entries, plus 5 climbers.
>>>
>>>Most notable among those re-entries being of course Kaiser Chiefs,
>>>effectively through downloads only
>>
>> Wonder how it'll do when officially re-released?
>
>I'm pretty confident that this will be one of the ones that does better than
>the first time round. Probably Top 10, although it is coming out on the
>22nd, so it could be crowded out by some of the competition.
Not top 10 IMO, even if not released on the 22nd. The song just isn't
that good, not to mention how many the album has already sold...
>
>>>Down below, Will Smith finally leaves the Top 40
>>
>> Thank goodness - now let's have Amarillo join it.
>
>Thing is, in these days of the combined chart, you can't trust a record that
>drops out of the 40 to stay out.
Lack of new releases is a bigger cause of that - all you need is for
your sales to decline slower than a few others, and you'll climb by
default, rather than greater sales.
BTW, I see James Blunt's weekly singles sales have at last started to
slip, so the end is in sight. Probably not next Sunday, but McFly should
get him the week after - not that I'm happy about that, I'm starting to
loathe their whiny voices.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>
>>>>& Kirsty MacColl #17
>>>
>> This was up from #42 on Monday!
>
>I know, and there were similar movements for Chris Rea and Public Enemy.
>Meanwhile, you got the exact opposite with some of the singles entries,
>which makes me wonder exactly what the deal was with those midweeks.
My theory is - the initial midweeks include both Sunday & Monday sales
for older albums, but just Monday sales for the new ones, so naturally
they'll be at a disadvantage early in the week.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>
>>>>Goldfrapp.
>>>
>>>Bit of a stretch for them, but certainly not impossible given all the
>>>airplay. Unless people thing they've already got it.;-)
>>
>> Why should they - it's been 30 years since the glam-rock period ended...
>
>Only two years since the last time 'Spirit in the Sky' was Number One
>though. And even less since 'Strict Machine' and 'Train'.
But they weren't glam-rock.
>
>>>> Top 20 : Magic Numbers,
> Just think how well they could do if they were as
>good as people said.
Well, they're more likely than most to be judged on musical merit,
rather than looks... :)
>
>> Mattafix has been a big R1 record
>>
>> Not enough to chart it in the airplay listing.
>
>No, but if nobody else is playing it, they'd have to play it *a lot* to get
>it up there. I don't particularly like the record, but I can't knock R1 for
>playing it.
Actually, it Have to concede it *was* in the airplay chart - just not in
the top 50.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>
>> I'd prefer to ignore it - he's lacking what James Blunt seems to have.
>
>I don't even know what JB has, so I'm clearly on a loser.
MOR appeal? Gay appeal?
Paul Hyett
About 1000-1200 on an average week.
Robbie
According to Alan Jones (then of Record Mirror), The Joker sold 8 more
copies than Groove Is In The Heart!
Robbie
Col
>
> According to Alan Jones (then of Record Mirror), The Joker sold 8 more
> copies than Groove Is In The Heart!
Is that the closest it's ever been?
jc
>> download chart, even though its chart run began after the download
>> chart was instigated.
Robbie wrote:
> It's not available on download. That may account for its lack of
> download sales!
Surely some mistake? I'm seeing the radio edit plus five remixes on the
iTunes Music Store. - jc
Paul Hyett
>
>"Rich Wilson" <ri...@spamspamspam.spam> wrote in message
>news:nBQJe.15514$9K3...@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>
>
>>
>> Just how many copies do you have to sell to be in the top 75 anyway? Half a
>> dozen a week...?!
>>
>
>I wonder why there never seems to be any tied positions in the chart.
>In the early 80's I recall it happening *very* ocaisionally, say in the
>20's and 30's. But now it never happens. I would have thought that with
>sales being so much lower, it would be more likely.
The OCC use tie-breaking rules - AIUI it's based on biggest increase (or
lowest drop) in sales from the previous week.
Paul Hyett
>>
>> I've always wondered about that - 'Call On Me' has never made the
>> download chart, even though its chart run began after the download
>> chart was instigated.
>
>It's not available on download. That may account for its lack of
>download sales!
>
bounce back into the top 40 at least.
Paul Hyett
>
>"Robbie" <ngrob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3lrbt9F...@individual.net...
>
>>
>> According to Alan Jones (then of Record Mirror), The Joker sold 8 more
>> copies than Groove Is In The Heart!
>
>Is that the closest it's ever been?
No - there were several tied #1 positions in the early days, admittedly
on a much smaller sample size.
Chris Brown
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Chris Brown wrote :
>>>
>>> Except that I have no idea who Joshua Kadison is....
>>
>>I think that's partly the point - she couldn't actually remember his name,
>>but she said "that guy who had that one hit with 'Jessie'", which is all I
>>expect anyone remembers about him now
>
> I don't even remember *that*.
Well, you personally wouldn't because it was about 1994.
>>>>>Game #8
>>>>
>>>>We'll put this down to the power of Kanye West, shall we.
>>>
>>> Why - was he also on it?
>>
>>Not as a vocalist, but he did produce it, a fact which Game draws
>>attention
>>to more than once in the lyrics.
>
> ISTM rappers are afraid to go solo - something to do with their often-
> dubious backgrounds? :)
More to do with the record companies I should imagine.
>>>>> Just 6 new entries and 2 re-entries, plus 5 climbers.
>>>>
>>>>Most notable among those re-entries being of course Kaiser Chiefs,
>>>>effectively through downloads only
>>>
>>> Wonder how it'll do when officially re-released?
>>
>>I'm pretty confident that this will be one of the ones that does better
>>than
>>the first time round. Probably Top 10, although it is coming out on the
>>22nd, so it could be crowded out by some of the competition.
>
> Not top 10 IMO, even if not released on the 22nd. The song just isn't
> that good,
That's a line of reasoning I'm disinclined to believe this week. ;-)
>not to mention how many the album has already sold...
That is a more serious factor, actually. I saw somebody buying it yesterday.
The only other thing worth pointing out is that this release is being
promoted as a double A-side (although it isn't a proper one) and the other
track has been picking up a smattering of airplay.
Hmm... Number 12 perhaps?
>>>>Down below, Will Smith finally leaves the Top 40
>>>
>>> Thank goodness - now let's have Amarillo join it.
>>
>>Thing is, in these days of the combined chart, you can't trust a record
>>that
>>drops out of the 40 to stay out.
>
> Lack of new releases is a bigger cause of that - all you need is for
> your sales to decline slower than a few others, and you'll climb by
> default, rather than greater sales.
That is true in terms of the last couple of weeks, eg Kelly Clarkson and
MVP. But it's been the case since combination, notwithstanding that that
increased overall sales. For reasons that I think have already been
discussed, download sales seem less time-sensitive.
> BTW, I see James Blunt's weekly singles sales have at last started to
> slip, so the end is in sight. Probably not next Sunday, but McFly should
> get him the week after - not that I'm happy about that, I'm starting to
> loathe their whiny voices.
Well, a different whiny voice would be a change at least.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>>& Kirsty MacColl #17
>>>>
>>> This was up from #42 on Monday!
>>
>>I know, and there were similar movements for Chris Rea and Public Enemy.
>>Meanwhile, you got the exact opposite with some of the singles entries,
>>which makes me wonder exactly what the deal was with those midweeks.
>
> My theory is - the initial midweeks include both Sunday & Monday sales
> for older albums, but just Monday sales for the new ones, so naturally
> they'll be at a disadvantage early in the week.
That's been my theory as well, but it doesn't explain a) why the difference
was so abnormally huge that week
b) why the exact opposite was happening with singles.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>Goldfrapp.
>>>>
>>>>Bit of a stretch for them, but certainly not impossible given all the
>>>>airplay. Unless people thing they've already got it.;-)
>>>
>>> Why should they - it's been 30 years since the glam-rock period ended...
>>
>>Only two years since the last time 'Spirit in the Sky' was Number One
>>though. And even less since 'Strict Machine' and 'Train'.
>
> But they weren't glam-rock.
They were as much as this is, even if the videos were different.
Somebody today described them as looking like a camp version of Ziggy
Stardust and the Spiders from Mars... how is that possible?
>>>>> Top 20 : Magic Numbers,
>
>> Just think how well they could do if they were as
>>good as people said.
>
> Well, they're more likely than most to be judged on musical merit,
> rather than looks... :)
You are Richard Bacon and I claim my five... actually better not go into
that part ;-)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4135380.stm
I know what you mean, but OTOH their look does make them stand out a bit, as
it did for Badly Drawn Boy. You might easily get The Killers and The Bravery
mixed up, but these guys won't be mistaken for anyone else, except maybe the
Banana Splits. That's presumably why there are those cartoon versions of
them on the single covers.
>>> Mattafix has been a big R1 record
>>>
>>> Not enough to chart it in the airplay listing.
>>
>>No, but if nobody else is playing it, they'd have to play it *a lot* to
>>get
>>it up there. I don't particularly like the record, but I can't knock R1
>>for
>>playing it.
>
> Actually, it Have to concede it *was* in the airplay chart - just not in
> the top 50.
OK. While we're setting the record straight, I'll point out that the
tracklistings I read were incorrect - there's a two-track and a maxi-CD, so
it will be counting after all. The Willy Mason single turns out to have five
tracks, but that's still ineligible of course.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>
>>> I'd prefer to ignore it - he's lacking what James Blunt seems to have.
>>
>>I don't even know what JB has, so I'm clearly on a loser.
>
> MOR appeal? Gay appeal?
Not being gay myself, I can't see why the one has it and the other hasn't.
They both sound equally MOR too.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>
>>>I think that's partly the point - she couldn't actually remember his name,
>>>but she said "that guy who had that one hit with 'Jessie'", which is all I
>>>expect anyone remembers about him now
>>
>> I don't even remember *that*.
>
>Well, you personally wouldn't because it was about 1994.
Sounds like a fortunate escape, to me. :)
>>
>> Not top 10 IMO, even if not released on the 22nd. The song just isn't
>> that good,
>
>That's a line of reasoning I'm disinclined to believe this week. ;-)
>
>>not to mention how many the album has already sold...
>
>That is a more serious factor, actually. I saw somebody buying it yesterday.
>The only other thing worth pointing out is that this release is being
>promoted as a double A-side (although it isn't a proper one) and the other
>track has been picking up a smattering of airplay.
Well, there are a number of factors likely to prevent a high position -
as we've mentioned, previous album sales; 3rd single from the album;
sales on previous release + pre-release downloads this time.
>
>Hmm... Number 12 perhaps?
Top 15 if they're lucky.
>
>That is true in terms of the last couple of weeks, eg Kelly Clarkson and
>MVP. But it's been the case since combination, notwithstanding that that
>increased overall sales. For reasons that I think have already been
>discussed, download sales seem less time-sensitive.
You're telling me - runs >15 weeks are quite common, and that's in only
a top 40 chart.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>
>> My theory is - the initial midweeks include both Sunday & Monday sales
>> for older albums, but just Monday sales for the new ones, so naturally
>> they'll be at a disadvantage early in the week.
>
>That's been my theory as well, but it doesn't explain a) why the difference
>was so abnormally huge that week
>b) why the exact opposite was happening with singles.
Well, ISTM far fewer singles-selling outlets are open on Sundays, than
ones selling albums.
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>Only two years since the last time 'Spirit in the Sky' was Number One
>>>though. And even less since 'Strict Machine' and 'Train'.
>>
>> But they weren't glam-rock.
>
>They were as much as this is
How do you figure that? They were nothing like *my* definition of glam-
rock.
>, even if the videos were different.
>Somebody today described them as looking like a camp version of Ziggy
>Stardust and the Spiders from Mars... how is that possible?
Grin.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer to ignore it - he's lacking what James Blunt seems to have.
>>>
>>>I don't even know what JB has, so I'm clearly on a loser.
>>
>> MOR appeal? Gay appeal?
>
>Not being gay myself, I can't see why the one has it and the other hasn't.
Have you heard JB speak, rather than just sing?
>
>They both sound equally MOR too.
>
That's a whole other issue, though.
Derek R
LOL apparently they walked off TOTPs cos Richard Bacon called them
fat.......erm lads (and lasses), I've got news for you....you ARE fat!
and hairy.
Deano
And they took their bland folk/pop act with them. More of the same please!
Chris Brown
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Chris Brown wrote :
>>>>
>>>>I think that's partly the point - she couldn't actually remember his
>>>>name,
>>>>but she said "that guy who had that one hit with 'Jessie'", which is all
>>>>I
>>>>expect anyone remembers about him now
>>>
>>> I don't even remember *that*.
>>
>>Well, you personally wouldn't because it was about 1994.
>
> Sounds like a fortunate escape, to me. :)
Indeed it was. Jessie could always sell any dream to him, apparently.
>>> Not top 10 IMO, even if not released on the 22nd. The song just isn't
>>> that good,
>>
>>That's a line of reasoning I'm disinclined to believe this week. ;-)
>>
>>>not to mention how many the album has already sold...
>>
>>That is a more serious factor, actually. I saw somebody buying it
>>yesterday.
>>The only other thing worth pointing out is that this release is being
>>promoted as a double A-side (although it isn't a proper one) and the other
>>track has been picking up a smattering of airplay.
>
> Well, there are a number of factors likely to prevent a high position -
> as we've mentioned, previous album sales; 3rd single from the album;
> sales on previous release + pre-release downloads this time.
Well, it's more than the third isn't it?
The pre-release downloads did strike me too, but of course we can't take
them at face value because it's only a quirk of the rules that these ones
are appearing in the main chart. They're still not irrelevant though, so we
have to try and balance all those factors against the number of people who
don't do downloads, are too cheap to buy the album or want to get the
B-sides.
>>Hmm... Number 12 perhaps?
>
> Top 15 if they're lucky.
Well, if it goes to 14, I'll consider that within my margin of error.
MW seems to be implying that it's climbed the main chart already.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>> My theory is - the initial midweeks include both Sunday & Monday sales
>>> for older albums, but just Monday sales for the new ones, so naturally
>>> they'll be at a disadvantage early in the week.
>>
>>That's been my theory as well, but it doesn't explain a) why the
>>difference
>>was so abnormally huge that week
>>b) why the exact opposite was happening with singles.
>
> Well, ISTM far fewer singles-selling outlets are open on Sundays, than
> ones selling albums.
This is fairly true (it's probably even more accurate to say that fewer
people are in singles-selling outlets) - and you could go a step further and
point out that the singles plummeting were the ones you wouldn't expect to
find in the Sunday outlets. But it still seemed exceptional that week. My
theory is that we weren't getting the full panel of retailers on Tuesday.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>Only two years since the last time 'Spirit in the Sky' was Number One
>>>>though. And even less since 'Strict Machine' and 'Train'.
>>>
>>> But they weren't glam-rock.
>>
>>They were as much as this is
>
> How do you figure that? They were nothing like *my* definition of glam-
> rock.
Well, this is nothing like mine, either.
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer to ignore it - he's lacking what James Blunt seems to have.
>>>>
>>>>I don't even know what JB has, so I'm clearly on a loser.
>>>
>>> MOR appeal? Gay appeal?
>>
>>Not being gay myself, I can't see why the one has it and the other hasn't.
>
> Have you heard JB speak, rather than just sing?
Yes. He's quite posh, but then I'm slightly posh and it didn't attract huge
amounts of attention from people of either persuasion IME.
>>They both sound equally MOR too.
>>
> That's a whole other issue, though.
But I thought you were trying to explain why JB outsold DP?
Chris
Robbie
But those charts were points based, rather than sales based (ie compiled
from using each stores best sellers list and giving X points or whatever
for a #1 down to 1 point for Y (the lowest number in the chart size at
the time). I'm sure sales figures were only used from the 60s (perhaps
even 1969, with the advent of the BMRB-compiled charts and sales
diaries), since when there has been no tied position at #1.
There is a good article at
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26099
which explains how those early charts were compiled.
Robbie
Paul Hyett
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>
>>>They were as much as this is
>>
>> How do you figure that? They were nothing like *my* definition of glam-
>> rock.
>
>Well, this is nothing like mine, either.
The video looks very glam-rock though!
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>
>> Have you heard JB speak, rather than just sing?
>
>Yes. He's quite posh, but then I'm slightly posh and it didn't attract huge
>amounts of attention from people of either persuasion IME.
Do you see that as a good or bad thing, BTW? :)
>
>>>They both sound equally MOR too.
>>>
>> That's a whole other issue, though.
>
>But I thought you were trying to explain why JB outsold DP?
Was I?