Chart Commentary 13/10/12

[Paul Hyett]

Singles
-------
Happily, One Direction *didn't* get #1 - the prize going instead to
Rihanna. Massive clear-out of last week's top 5 though!

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : One Direction #3, Adele (SF) #4, Ellie Goulding #5
Top 10 :
Top 20 : Jason Mraz (IWGU) #11, Otto Knows #15, Nicki Minaj (VVV) #20
Top 30 : Muse #25, Taylor Swift (Red) #26
Top 40 : Other Tribe #36, Adele (ICMYLM) #37

Re-entries T40 :

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kendrick Lamar #63,
Maroon 5 #64, Jake Bugg #66

Re-entries T75 : Rascal Flatts (BTBR) #57, Maverick Sabre (IN) #73


Albums
------
Muse take over at #1 with one of the biggest 1st week sales of the year.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 :
Top 10 : Overtones #6
Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14, Van Morrison #15, John Wilson Orchestra #18

New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Lower Than Atlantis #25, Beth
Orton #26, Flying Lotus #34, Tori Amos #36, Papa Roach #37, Axewound
#42, Tim Burgess #49, Lupe Fiasco #60

Re-entries : ELO #10, Ronan Keating (F) #40, Conor Maynard #57, Amy
Winehouse (LHT) #64, Rizzle Kicks #70, Keane #71


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
I expect Adele to take over at #1

Top 5 : SHM,
Top 10 : Leona Lewis, Nicki Minaj
Top 20 :
Top 30 :
Top 40 :


Albums
------
Unless Muse's 2nd week sales hold up better than expected, Ellie
Goulding should claim her 2nd #1 album.

Top 5 :
Top 10 : Barbra Streisand, Mika
Top 20 : Chris De Burgh, ELO

Others : Beth Hart, Guillemots, Kiss, Lemar, Paul Simon , All Time Low,
Nine Black Alps

No doubt there'll be the usual crop of acts I don't know, charting
surprisingly highly...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

[Chris Brown]

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> Singles
> -------
> Happily, One Direction *didn't* get #1 - the prize going instead to
> Rihanna. Massive clear-out of last week's top 5 though!

This is her seventh Number One single (including her contribution to 'Run
This Town') in a chart career that only began as recently as August 2005.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : One Direction #3,

OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any act that
can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly, and it should
be said in fairness that they were less than 500 sales behind PSY's single
at 2. Nonetheless the cold hard fact is that in sales terms alone this has
come in way below expectations at less than 86k, and even if Rihanna had
stuck to her original release date and PSY had had that tiny little bit less
publicity, it'd still be a disappointment to the record company. The bad
news is that this probably means their next single will be released after
weeks of hype.
As to the song itself, it's one possible example of the supposed
"saturation" effect in pop: after we've heard Tulisa and fun. both sing
about being young at the top of the chart this year, there obviously wasn't
quite enough demand left for 'Live While We're Young'.

> Adele (SF) #4,

Am I the only one disappointed this didn't enter at (00)7?
A release that wasn't even officially confirmed until Monday (although
everyone already knew really) and in the 47 hours and 53 minutes of this
chart week that it was available it managed to outsell almost all comers.
It's alerady the highest charting Bond theme in a decade and you'd hardly
bet against it setting a new peak with a full week's sales.

>Ellie Goulding #5

Her first UK single since 'Lights' crept into the Top 50 in March 2011
coincides with that song's success in the USA (it peaked at 2 there in
August). Over here, though, she's already setting up the second album with
this lead single. Not an obviously commercial track nor an especially catchy
one, it's done well to crack the Top 5 in a busy week.

> Top 20 : Jason Mraz (IWGU) #11,

Missed out at the last minute on becoming his first Top 10 single and is
instead his second to peak at 11 (out of only two Top 40 singles). So full
marks for consistency.

>Otto Knows #15,

I suppose it makes a nice change that there's a dance song that's gone from
club hit to pop hit without having a lead vocal dubbed over it.

>Nicki Minaj (VVV) #20

Peculiarly, a song that's been available for months (and was Top 50 last
week) bounds 23 places into the higher end of the chart with no apparent
drive for this kind of sales increase. It must just be growing on people.

> Top 30 : Muse #25,

Their second single in a row to peak here, but the better of the two, not
least because it seems like they're actually trying something a bit fresher.
"I have finally realised I need your love" isn't a lyric you'd normally
expect to hear in a Muse song.

>Taylor Swift (Red) #26

The one track on this album I've never heard - and possibly never will,
unless it's released as a proper single in the future.
Interesting though that it only charts four places higher than last week's
single, despite seeming to do so much better on iTunes. I suppose that, even
allowing for the chart position it had to surrender to Adele, it shows the
importance of Sunday sales.

> Top 40 : Other Tribe #36,

When Greg James played this on the update on Wednesday he described it as a
summer anthem. So naturally the record company released it in... October?!
Nothing that I'd read about them led me to expect the song would be good but
neither was I expecting it to be a song about perving over girls in short
skirts.

>Adele (ICMYLM) #37

So, a talent show encouraging people to buy Adele's cover version of a song
with the words "make" "you" and "love" in the title. Anyone else getting
deja vu here?
You probably should, since both this and the Jason Mraz song were apparently
performed two weeks running on XF.
Not content with these two new entries to the Top 40, her album 21 (which
contains neither song) returns to the Top 20 this week.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kendrick Lamar #63,

Californian rapper who apparently watched the video to 'California Love'
being filmed when he was only eight. This seems a genre hit.

> Maroon 5 #64,

The current Hot 100 Number One. Like their previous hit it makes a rather
late arrival on the UK chart, with much confusion as to whether this would
even be the single here. Possibly the label's hand was forced.

>Jake Bugg #66

His first Top 75 single, though three previous released have made the Top
100. It's a fair bet he'll make more impact on the album chart.

> Re-entries T75 : Rascal Flatts (BTBR) #57,

Presumably charting for the same reason as it did before.

>Maverick Sabre (IN) #73

Apparently this got a go on XF recently.

> Albums
> ------
> Muse take over at #1 with one of the biggest 1st week sales of the year.

Fourth so far, I think, but notable better than the Killers did the week
before last.
Their sixth studio album has little difficulty in becoming their fourth
chart-topper, issued off the back of the airplay hit 'Madness' and the
admittedly ill-conceived Olympic anthem 'Survival'. Some reports have it
that forthcoming single 'Panic Station' was written for a James Bond theme,
though it probably wouldn't have worked.
The remainder of the album sees them applying their usual degree of subtlety
to an even wider range of genres: Matt Bellamy was joking when he said the
album would be a "christian gangsta rap jazz odyssey, with some ambient
rebellious dubstep and face melting metal flamenco cowboy psychedelia", but
possibly only because he forgot to mention the funk and classical elements.
The album also marks the debut of bassist Chris Wolstenholme as songwriter
and lead vocalist on two tracks, with Bellamy's son also making his first
recorded appearance through a recording of his his heartbeat before he was
born.
Fans have had a mixed reaction to the diversity of styles on this album, but
luckily for the band they've already paid for it now. Many of them have
probably shelled out the bit extra for the deluxe version with a making-of
DVD, and some might even have coughed up fifty quid for the thermally
reactive box set containing the CD, DVD, vinyl album and some prints.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------

> Top 10 : Overtones #6

Second album from the man band is another blend of covers of songs you've
heard a thousand times before and original songs (that are so formulaic they
might as well be covers anyway) including the single 'Loving The Sound',
which I thought was Joe McElderry the first time I heard it. It's likely to
be a steady seller but has got off to a slightly slower start than might
have been expected.

> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,

This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of the
drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock act of
the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit singles:
five of them if you count 'Gold Dust', which appears here in a re-recording
with vocals by Ms Dynamite. Two of the others were of course Number Ones.The
seven new tracks include guest spots from such luminaries as Rizzle Kicks,
Juliette Lewis and Adam F, whilst The Fray and Professor Green somehow
appear on the same track.
The deluxe 2CD version adds three live tracks, four remixes of the hits and
an exclusive extra track.

>Van Morrison #15,

His 34th studio album Born To Sing: No Plan B is accurately titled to the
extent that it doesn't feature a guest appearance from Ben Drew. Nor indeed
does he cover a flop single by Dexys Midnight Runners. What he does is ten
self-penned numbers, one of them a vocal version of a 1993 instrumental. One
is also called 'Educating Archie' which I suspect is a Tony Hancock
reference. It's his first new album since 2008.

>John Wilson Orchestra #18

His/their second album for EMI is effectively a studio version of their
performance at the Proms two years ago: a set of 14 songs or tunes from
Rodgers & Hammerstein musicals, including 'You'll Never Walk Alone', 'The
Sound Of Music', 'Climb Ev'ry Mountain', 'I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Out
Of My Hair' and 'Carousel Waltz'.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Lower Than Atlantis #25,

Major-label debut album from the Watford post-hardcore metal act. Despite
the title Changing Tune, they've claimed that this hasn't changed their
style, only their budget. The deluxe version comes with five additional
songs, including the single 'If The World Was To End', and a documentary
DVD.

>Beth Orton #26,

Another act returning from a lengthy period of parental leave: since her
last album Comfort Of Strangers in early 2006, she has become a married
mother of two and moved to the USA where this was recorded: it's also her
first album for new label ANTI. Although one song was co-written by Tom
Rowlands of the Chemical Brothers, there's none of the electronic sounds
that characterised her early work: this is an almost entirely acoustic
album, though still similar in mood to a lot of her other material.
The deluxe version adds three cover versions.

> Flying Lotus #34,

Follow-up to 2010's Number 60 hit Cosmogramma, Until The The Quiet Comes
offers 18 more tracks of jazzy electronic music with a series of guest
performers; the best-known are probably Erykah Badu and Thom Yorke.
His granny co-wrote 'Love Hangover' you know.

>Tori Amos #36,

Gold Dust - which seems unlikely to earn a gold disc at this rate - is an
album of her old songs re-recorded with an orchestra. Even people who
thought that a good idea in principle have been somewhat disappointed by the
song selection, which consists largely of songs originally recorded in that
style anyway. Few of her hits are represented, apart from Silent All These
Years.

>Papa Roach #37,

Their highest-charting album since 2004, though probably not a substantial
seller. It was recorded in their hometown of Sacramento. The lead singer has
long since stopped calling himself Coby Dick but the bass player still has
the impressive name of Tobin Esperance.

>Axewound #42,

I don't know how much of a coincidence it is that so many metal albums seem
to chart in the same weeks, but here's another one. They're a transatlantic
side-project by Bullet For My Valentine singer Matthew Tuck, with other
members drawn from the ranks of Cancer Bats, Pitchshifter, Rise To Remain
and Glamour The Kill. I promise I haven't made any of those names up.

> Tim Burgess #49,

25 years ago this week, somebody called Tim Burgess was on his way to the
top of the album chart as a member of T'Pau. This Tim Burgess had to wait a
little longer for such success though: he made his album chart debut 22
years ago next week as the lead singer of the Charlatans. He was also
credited under his own name on hits by Saint Etienne and the Chemical
Brothers in the 1990s, but he finally embarked on a solo career early this
century, enjoying a Top 40 album in 2003. The nine years since have seen
four more Charlatans albums, an autobiography and an ill-advised haircut,
but he now returns with a fairly low-profile solo follow-up, recorded in
Nashville with members of Lambchop and My Morning Jacket among others. It
also includes the forthcoming single 'White', which is coming out on clear
vinyl, oddly. There's a deluxe version of this too, with six remixes on a
second disc.

> Lupe Fiasco #60

This album is called Food & Liquor II: The Great American Rap Album Part 1.
Presumably all his fans were too confused to actually buy it.
The title obviously refers back to his 2006 debut set, whatever that's
supposed to imply about the two in between. There are several guests on this
album that I'll admit I've never heard of, not even the unfortunately-spelt
Poo Bear.

> Re-entries : ELO #10,

Ah yes, our old friend All Over The World. I tend to agree with the musician
Pete Gofton that ELO are like a birthday cake: appealing at first but hard
to take much of in one go.

> Ronan Keating (F) #40,

Actually quite an impressive boost from his get-out-the-onion interview on
Friday night. Although the fact that it had fallen from the Top 75 so soon
after its release shows his career's not what it was.

> Conor Maynard #57,

Obviously, his career never was to start with, but this hasn't done that
well for an album that now has three Top 10 singles on it.

> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,

This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of gain two
weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.

>Rizzle Kicks #70,

Apparently selling for £3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even advertised as
such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train from there
to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.

> Keane #71

New single effect.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> I expect Adele to take over at #1

The odds are statistically rather against that though: she's had one Number
One out of ten and of course the previous James Bond themes have had none
out of more than 20.
Seriously, she's probably the most likely option as of tonight, but we were
all pretty sure what was going to happen last week weren't we?

> Top 5 : SHM,

I think the talk of this getting to Number One has reached a point where we
have to take it seriously, even though it doesn't really make sense. They do
at least have the advantage that their first week of sales are all in the
same chart week.

> Top 10 : Leona Lewis,

Pretty sure. Looks like she might struggle for Top 5 though, which would be
an embarassment again.

>Nicki Minaj

Scarily possible.

> Top 20 :
> Top 30 :
> Top 40 :

Quiet week then?
Madeon's single is out tomorrow, that might go T40. Conor Maynard might
climb a place or two and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.

> Albums
> ------
> Unless Muse's 2nd week sales hold up better than expected, Ellie Goulding
> should claim her 2nd #1 album.

Depends what you expect obviously. What did her first album do in its
opening week?

> Top 10 : Barbra Streisand,

Outtakes apparently (which is presumably why she isn't promoting it). I'm
sure it'll chart but probably not this high.

>Mika

Yep. But how far will it fall next week.

> Top 20 : Chris De Burgh,

Again, not a new album as such so I would think on past form low T40.

> ELO

Very hard to judge, since the album charting this week will have mopped up
some casual sales and I don't know whether there's much of a fanbase that
would intentionally get this. If there is though, putting it out in the same
week as the Jeff Lynne album will help.

> Others : Beth Hart,

Well spotted.

> Guillemots,

I can't imagine this doing any better than their last one.

>Kiss,

I suppose so.

> Lemar,

If he's lucky. Not sure why they bothered postponing this to now.

>Paul Simon ,

Probably, although his last best-of flopped.

> All Time Low,

I'm guessing these aren't in alphabetical order then.
I'd have thought this would make a brief visit to the Top 20 like their last
one did.

> Nine Black Alps

One of those acts I totally forget exist except for the one week they chart
with eacher release. They could get lucky.

> No doubt there'll be the usual crop of acts I don't know, charting
> surprisingly highly...

Does that include the aforesaid Jeff Lynne? Also I'm mention Tame Impala,
Coheed & Cambria and Dog Is Dead. I'll also throw in Walk The Moon because
any rock act that has a Top 100 single has to be worth a punt these days.

Chris
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[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 at 00:49:26, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Happily, One Direction *didn't* get #1 - the prize going instead to
>> Rihanna. Massive clear-out of last week's top 5 though!
>
>This is her seventh Number One single (including her contribution to 'Run
>This Town') in a chart career that only began as recently as August 2005.

That doesn't feel *that* recent to me.

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 5 : One Direction #3,
>
>OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any act
>that can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly

I wonder if Cowell would agree - it's usually #1's or nothing, for him.

>, and it should be said in fairness that they were less than 500 sales
>behind PSY's single at 2.

But only 2k above a song that had far less time to sell...

> Nonetheless the cold hard fact is that in sales terms alone this has
>come in way below expectations at less than 86k, and even if Rihanna
>had stuck to her original release date and PSY had had that tiny little
>bit less publicity, it'd still be a disappointment to the record
>company. The bad news is that this probably means their next single
>will be released after weeks of hype.

Unless radio snubs it after this relative under-performance?

>
>> Adele (SF) #4,
>
>Am I the only one disappointed this didn't enter at (00)7?
>A release that wasn't even officially confirmed until Monday (although
>everyone already knew really) and in the 47 hours and 53 minutes of
>this chart week that it was available it managed to outsell almost all
>comers. It's alerady the highest charting Bond theme in a decade and
>you'd hardly bet against it setting a new peak with a full week's sales.

Agreed.

>
>>Ellie Goulding #5
>
>Her first UK single since 'Lights' crept into the Top 50 in March 2011
>coincides with that song's success in the USA (it peaked at 2 there in
>August). Over here, though, she's already setting up the second album
>with this lead single. Not an obviously commercial track nor an
>especially catchy one, it's done well to crack the Top 5 in a busy week.

May have been the highest-selling #5 of 2012 so far, though.

>
>> Top 20 : Jason Mraz (IWGU) #11,
>
>Missed out at the last minute on becoming his first Top 10 single and
>is instead his second to peak at 11 (out of only two Top 40 singles).
>So full marks for consistency.

Just not for the song? :p

>
>>Nicki Minaj (VVV) #20
>
>Peculiarly, a song that's been available for months (and was Top 50
>last week) bounds 23 places into the higher end of the chart with no
>apparent drive for this kind of sales increase. It must just be growing
>on people.

I have no idea.

>
>> Top 30 : Muse #25,
>
>Their second single in a row to peak here

If it *has*.

>
>>Taylor Swift (Red) #26
>
>The one track on this album I've never heard - and possibly never will,
>unless it's released as a proper single in the future.

Bloody Teenage Awards... but at least I'll get to hear it on the album
in a couple of weeks time...
>
>> Top 40 :

>
>>Adele (ICMYLM) #37
>
>So, a talent show encouraging people to buy Adele's cover version of a
>song with the words "make" "you" and "love" in the title. Anyone else
>getting deja vu here?

Grin.

>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kendrick Lamar #63,
>
>Californian rapper who apparently watched the video to 'California
>Love' being filmed when he was only eight. This seems a genre hit.

I'm not sure what that means?

>
>> Maroon 5 #64,
>
>The current Hot 100 Number One. Like their previous hit it makes a
>rather late arrival on the UK chart, with much confusion as to whether
>this would even be the single here. Possibly the label's hand was forced.

I haven't heard it yet.

>
>>Jake Bugg #66
>
>His first Top 75 single, though three previous released have made the
>Top 100. It's a fair bet he'll make more impact on the album chart.

I still don't know who he is.

>>
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Muse take over at #1 with one of the biggest 1st week sales of the year.
>
>Fourth so far, I think, but notable better than the Killers did the
>week before last.

Surprisingly.

>Many of them have probably shelled out the bit extra for the deluxe
>version with a making-of DVD, and some might even have coughed up fifty
>quid for the thermally reactive box set containing the CD, DVD, vinyl
>album and some prints.

What the hell is a 'thermally reactive' box set?

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>
>> Top 10 : Overtones #6
>
>Second album from the man band is another blend of covers of songs
>you've heard a thousand times before and original songs (that are so
>formulaic they might as well be covers anyway)

So just like most other albums, then... :p

>
>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>
>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of
>the drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock
>act of the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major
>hit singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'

Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.

>
>>Van Morrison #15,
>
>His 34th studio album Born To Sing: No Plan B is accurately titled to
>the extent that it doesn't feature a guest appearance from Ben Drew.

From context, I assume that is Plan B's real name?

BTW, do *any* rappers record under their real names? :p

>
>>John Wilson Orchestra #18
>
>His/their second album for EMI is effectively a studio version of their
>performance at the Proms two years ago: a set of 14 songs or tunes from
>Rodgers & Hammerstein musicals, including 'You'll Never Walk Alone',
>'The Sound Of Music', 'Climb Ev'ry Mountain', 'I'm Gonna Wash That Man
>Right Out Of My Hair' and 'Carousel Waltz'.

Zzzz...

>
>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Lower Than Atlantis #25,
>
>Major-label debut album from the Watford post-hardcore metal act.

'Post-hardcore'?
>
>>Tori Amos #36,

>
> Few of her hits are represented

She had more than *one*? :p

>
>> Tim Burgess #49,
>
>25 years ago this week, somebody called Tim Burgess was on his way to
>the top of the album chart as a member of T'Pau. This Tim Burgess had
>to wait a little longer for such success though: he made his album
>chart debut 22 years ago next week as the lead singer of the Charlatans.

I would never have known that.

>
>> Re-entries : ELO #10,
>
>Ah yes, our old friend All Over The World. I tend to agree with the
>musician Pete Gofton that ELO are like a birthday cake: appealing at
>first but hard to take much of in one go.

Hard to remember most of the singles now, anyway.

>
>> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,
>
>This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of gain
>two weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.

Cut-price download, perhaps?

>
>>Rizzle Kicks #70,
>
>Apparently selling for £3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even advertised
>as such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train
>from there to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.

You don't have to travel that far just to escape from him, surely? :p

>
>> Keane #71
>
>New single effect.

What new single?

>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> I expect Adele to take over at #1
>
>The odds are statistically rather against that though: she's had one
>Number One out of ten

Which means little, as most were undercut by *MASSIVE* album sales.

>Seriously, she's probably the most likely option as of tonight

Especially with the competition being relatively weak.

>, but we were all pretty sure what was going to happen last week
>weren't we?

We were fooled by assuming high pre-orders for Wand Erection would
translate into massive sales.

>
>> Top 5 : SHM,
>
>I think the talk of this getting to Number One has reached a point
>where we have to take it seriously, even though it doesn't really make
>sense. They do at least have the advantage that their first week of
>sales are all in the same chart week.

So if they don't make it, they'll look like even bigger losers? :p

>
>> Top 10 : Leona Lewis,
>
>Pretty sure. Looks like she might struggle for Top 5 though, which
>would be an embarassment again.

Who to - her or Cowell?

>
>> Top 20 :
>> Top 30 :
>> Top 40 :
>
>Quiet week then?
>Madeon's single is out tomorrow, that might go T40. Conor Maynard might
>climb a place or two

Though that wouldn't put him in any of the above 3 categories...

> and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.

Are they getting airplay, though?

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Unless Muse's 2nd week sales hold up better than expected, Ellie Goulding
>> should claim her 2nd #1 album.
>
>Depends what you expect obviously. What did her first album do in its
>opening week?

It went to #1! :)

Obviously you meant iro sales, but comparing 1st week sales for debut v
follow-up albums is often a meaningless exercise. IIRC 'Lights' sold
around 38k first week, though. I doubt anyone expects her to sell that
few this week.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:DDIVtKyz...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 at 00:49:26, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Happily, One Direction *didn't* get #1 - the prize going instead to
>>> Rihanna. Massive clear-out of last week's top 5 though!
>>
>>This is her seventh Number One single (including her contribution to 'Run
>>This Town') in a chart career that only began as recently as August 2005.
>
> That doesn't feel *that* recent to me.

In the grand scheme of things it isn't, but it's a pretty short space of
time in which to achieve the sort of success that she has. Especially
relative to normal levels of activity by 21st Century recording acts.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 5 : One Direction #3,
>>
>>OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any act that
>>can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly
>
> I wonder if Cowell would agree - it's usually #1's or nothing, for him.

It is?

>>, and it should be said in fairness that they were less than 500 sales
>>behind PSY's single at 2.
>
> But only 2k above a song that had far less time to sell...

That is also true, but it's not like they were Number 3 by a big amount.

>> Nonetheless the cold hard fact is that in sales terms alone this has come
>> in way below expectations at less than 86k, and even if Rihanna had stuck
>> to her original release date and PSY had had that tiny little bit less
>> publicity, it'd still be a disappointment to the record company. The bad
>> news is that this probably means their next single will be released after
>> weeks of hype.
>
> Unless radio snubs it after this relative under-performance?

Capital have already tried that!
But seriously folks I mean there'll be loads of hype whether radio plays it
or not, and TBH I imagine they'll find it hard to refuse.

>>>Ellie Goulding #5
>>
>>Her first UK single since 'Lights' crept into the Top 50 in March 2011
>>coincides with that song's success in the USA (it peaked at 2 there in
>>August). Over here, though, she's already setting up the second album with
>>this lead single. Not an obviously commercial track nor an especially
>>catchy one, it's done well to crack the Top 5 in a busy week.
>
> May have been the highest-selling #5 of 2012 so far, though.

I wouldn't know.

>>> Top 20 : Jason Mraz (IWGU) #11,
>>
>>Missed out at the last minute on becoming his first Top 10 single and is
>>instead his second to peak at 11 (out of only two Top 40 singles). So full
>>marks for consistency.
>
> Just not for the song? :p

Nope. I might give 2 out of 10 for that.

>>>Nicki Minaj (VVV) #20
>>
>>Peculiarly, a song that's been available for months (and was Top 50 last
>>week) bounds 23 places into the higher end of the chart with no apparent
>>drive for this kind of sales increase. It must just be growing on people.
>
> I have no idea.

As Sherlock Holmes would say, once you've eliminated the impossible...

>>> Top 30 : Muse #25,
>>
>>Their second single in a row to peak here
>
> If it *has*.

I'm pretty sure it will have, it'll struggle to get enough momentum to climb
further and the promotion is mostly if not entirely done now. The question's
really how long it will stick around.

>>>Taylor Swift (Red) #26
>>
>>The one track on this album I've never heard -

I actually meant the one track in the Top 40, of course. Though this is the
only track so far released from the album that I haven't heard.

>and possibly never will,
>>unless it's released as a proper single in the future.
>
> Bloody Teenage Awards...

If it weren't for them there wouldn't be pictures of her in a short skirt in
the papers today.

>but at least I'll get to hear it on the album in
> a couple of weeks time...

I'm sure it's all over the YouTubes already.

>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kendrick Lamar #63,
>>
>>Californian rapper who apparently watched the video to 'California Love'
>>being filmed when he was only eight. This seems a genre hit.
>
> I'm not sure what that means?

That's probably because it's a phrase I've made up. What I mean is that it's
a song that's likely only been bought or even heard by people who are into
that sort of music.

>>> Maroon 5 #64,
>>
>>The current Hot 100 Number One. Like their previous hit it makes a rather
>>late arrival on the UK chart, with much confusion as to whether this would
>>even be the single here. Possibly the label's hand was forced.
>
> I haven't heard it yet.

I have. As I may previously have mentioned, it's shite.
I presume there must be a video by now, but I have no idea whether any UK
channel is showing it.

>>>Jake Bugg #66
>>
>>His first Top 75 single, though three previous released have made the Top
>>100. It's a fair bet he'll make more impact on the album chart.
>
> I still don't know who he is.

I barely do. I know what he looks like, anyway.

>>
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Muse take over at #1 with one of the biggest 1st week sales of the year.
>>
>>Fourth so far, I think, but notable better than the Killers did the week
>>before last.
>
> Surprisingly.

Why is that actually suprising?

>>Many of them have probably shelled out the bit extra for the deluxe
>>version with a making-of DVD, and some might even have coughed up fifty
>>quid for the thermally reactive box set containing the CD, DVD, vinyl
>>album and some prints.
>
> What the hell is a 'thermally reactive' box set?

It's printed with ink that changes colour when you touch it. Massive Attack
and Hope Of The States, among others, have used it for packaging in the
past. I believe it uses the same technology as those mugs that changed
colour when you poured hot liquids in them.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>
>>> Top 10 : Overtones #6
>>
>>Second album from the man band is another blend of covers of songs you've
>>heard a thousand times before and original songs (that are so formulaic
>>they might as well be covers anyway)
>
> So just like most other albums, then... :p

Actually that sort of covers/originals split is pretty unusual these days
among acts who haven't been signed of a TV talent contest.

>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>
>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of the
>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock act of
>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>
> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.

I think you may have missed a bit out there?

>>>Van Morrison #15,
>>
>>His 34th studio album Born To Sing: No Plan B is accurately titled to the
>>extent that it doesn't feature a guest appearance from Ben Drew.
>
> From context, I assume that is Plan B's real name?

It is (well, I presume it's really Benjamin, but he doesn't go around
calling himself that). It's also the name he uses in his cinematic work so
he's well-knwon by it.

> BTW, do *any* rappers record under their real names? :p

Kanye West is the obvious one.

>>>John Wilson Orchestra #18
>>
>>His/their second album for EMI is effectively a studio version of their
>>performance at the Proms two years ago: a set of 14 songs or tunes from
>>Rodgers & Hammerstein musicals, including 'You'll Never Walk Alone', 'The
>>Sound Of Music', 'Climb Ev'ry Mountain', 'I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right
>>Out Of My Hair' and 'Carousel Waltz'.
>
> Zzzz...

Well, one of those songs was a hit pretty recently. It makes a change from
hearing people cover Take That songs in Italian.

>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Lower Than Atlantis #25,
>>
>>Major-label debut album from the Watford post-hardcore metal act.
>
> 'Post-hardcore'?

So they describe themselves.

>>>Tori Amos #36,
>>
>> Few of her hits are represented
>
> She had more than *one*? :p

She did indeed, Mr 90s Music Doesn't Exist.

>>> Tim Burgess #49,
>>
>>25 years ago this week, somebody called Tim Burgess was on his way to the
>>top of the album chart as a member of T'Pau. This Tim Burgess had to wait
>>a little longer for such success though: he made his album chart debut 22
>>years ago next week as the lead singer of the Charlatans.
>
> I would never have known that.

Good job I mentioned it then.

>>> Re-entries : ELO #10,
>>
>>Ah yes, our old friend All Over The World. I tend to agree with the
>>musician Pete Gofton that ELO are like a birthday cake: appealing at first
>>but hard to take much of in one go.
>
> Hard to remember most of the singles now, anyway.

It is for you because you never listen to the radio. I don't imagine they
get much play on the TV music channels. In fact, now I come to think of it I
don't think I've ever seen an ELO video.

>>> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,
>>
>>This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of gain
>>two weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.
>
> Cut-price download, perhaps?

It'd have to be a promoted price cut as well though. And why particularly a
download?

>>>Rizzle Kicks #70,
>>
>>Apparently selling for £3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even advertised as
>>such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train from
>>there to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.
>
> You don't have to travel that far just to escape from him, surely? :p

Him? Who?

>>> Keane #71
>>
>>New single effect.
>
> What new single?

That's why it's 71, not 21 or 11!

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> I expect Adele to take over at #1
>>
>>The odds are statistically rather against that though: she's had one
>>Number One out of ten
>
> Which means little, as most were undercut by *MASSIVE* album sales.

Only the last two or three.

>>Seriously, she's probably the most likely option as of tonight
>
> Especially with the competition being relatively weak.

Obv.

>>, but we were all pretty sure what was going to happen last week weren't
>>we?
>
> We were fooled by assuming high pre-orders for Wand Erection would
> translate into massive sales.

Speak for yourself. I wasn't convinced by the pre-orders as such, not least
because nobody seemed willing to say how many there actually were. I just
thought they'd come closer to the first week sales of 'What Makes You
Beautiful' than they actually did.

>>> Top 5 : SHM,
>>
>>I think the talk of this getting to Number One has reached a point where
>>we have to take it seriously, even though it doesn't really make sense.
>>They do at least have the advantage that their first week of sales are all
>>in the same chart week.
>
> So if they don't make it, they'll look like even bigger losers? :p

Eh? Surely any kind of Top 5 success would be doing well for them? And even
if it wasn't they're splitting up so they don't care that much.

>>> Top 10 : Leona Lewis,
>>
>>Pretty sure. Looks like she might struggle for Top 5 though, which would
>>be an embarassment again.
>
> Who to - her or Cowell?

Him.

>>> Top 20 :
>>> Top 30 :
>>> Top 40 :
>>
>>Quiet week then?
>>Madeon's single is out tomorrow, that might go T40.

Or might not, at the rate it's selling now.

> Conor Maynard might
>>climb a place or two
>
> Though that wouldn't put him in any of the above 3 categories...

It wouldn't, but I like to put all my additions together.
Speaking of which, I forgot to mention Taylor Swift.

>> and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.
>
> Are they getting airplay, though?

Yes, how else would I know how shite it was?

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Unless Muse's 2nd week sales hold up better than expected, Ellie
>>> Goulding
>>> should claim her 2nd #1 album.
>>
>>Depends what you expect obviously. What did her first album do in its
>>opening week?
>
> It went to #1! :)

Best not dwell on what happened in its second week though. :P

> Obviously you meant iro sales, but comparing 1st week sales for debut v
> follow-up albums is often a meaningless exercise. IIRC 'Lights' sold
> around 38k first week, though. I doubt anyone expects her to sell that few
> this week.

Why shouldn't they? After all, last week you were telling us the declining
market would halve Muse's sales.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 at 23:21:54, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Happily, One Direction *didn't* get #1 - the prize going instead to
>>>> Rihanna. Massive clear-out of last week's top 5 though!
>>>
>>>This is her seventh Number One single (including her contribution to 'Run
>>>This Town') in a chart career that only began as recently as August 2005.
>>
>> That doesn't feel *that* recent to me.
>
>In the grand scheme of things it isn't, but it's a pretty short space of
>time in which to achieve the sort of success that she has. Especially
>relative to normal levels of activity by 21st Century recording acts.

She seems to release an album virtually every year - about twice the
normal rate.

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 5 : One Direction #3,
>>>
>>>OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any act that
>>>can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly
>>
>> I wonder if Cowell would agree - it's usually #1's or nothing, for him.
>
>It is?

I thought you *knew* what he's like... :p

>
>>>>Ellie Goulding #5
>>>
>>>Her first UK single since 'Lights' crept into the Top 50 in March 2011
>>>coincides with that song's success in the USA (it peaked at 2 there in
>>>August). Over here, though, she's already setting up the second album with
>>>this lead single. Not an obviously commercial track nor an especially
>>>catchy one, it's done well to crack the Top 5 in a busy week.
>>
>> May have been the highest-selling #5 of 2012 so far, though.
>
>I wouldn't know.

She didn't even manage *that*, alas.

>
>>>> Top 20 : Jason Mraz (IWGU) #11,
>>>
>>>Missed out at the last minute on becoming his first Top 10 single and is
>>>instead his second to peak at 11 (out of only two Top 40 singles). So full
>>>marks for consistency.
>>
>> Just not for the song? :p
>
>Nope. I might give 2 out of 10 for that.

That generous? :p
>
>>>>Taylor Swift (Red) #26

>>
>> Bloody Teenage Awards...
>
>If it weren't for them there wouldn't be pictures of her in a short
>skirt in the papers today.

She's cute in anything.

>
>>>> Maroon 5 #64,
>>>
>>>The current Hot 100 Number One. Like their previous hit it makes a rather
>>>late arrival on the UK chart, with much confusion as to whether this would
>>>even be the single here. Possibly the label's hand was forced.
>>
>> I haven't heard it yet.
>
>I have. As I may previously have mentioned, it's shite.

In your unbiased opinion, of course. :p

>
>>>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Muse take over at #1 with one of the biggest 1st week sales of the year.
>>>
>>>Fourth so far, I think, but notable better than the Killers did the week
>>>before last.
>>
>> Surprisingly.
>
>Why is that actually suprising?

Because I thought The Killers were bigger than Muse.

>>
>> What the hell is a 'thermally reactive' box set?
>
>It's printed with ink that changes colour when you touch it.

I used to have a mouse mat like that - it fascinated my nieces when they
were little! :)

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>

>>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>>
>>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of the
>>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock act of
>>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>>
>> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.
>
>I think you may have missed a bit out there?

Nope.

>
>> BTW, do *any* rappers record under their real names? :p
>
>Kanye West is the obvious one.

It *is*? Oh well, fair enough...

>
>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Lower Than Atlantis #25,
>>>
>>>Major-label debut album from the Watford post-hardcore metal act.
>>
>> 'Post-hardcore'?
>
>So they describe themselves.

But do *they* even know what it means? :p

>
>>>> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,
>>>
>>>This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of gain
>>>two weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.
>>
>> Cut-price download, perhaps?
>
>It'd have to be a promoted price cut as well though. And why
>particularly a download?

Because they react faster to price-cuts than CD albums.

>
>>>>Rizzle Kicks #70,
>>>
>>>Apparently selling for £3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even advertised as
>>>such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train from
>>>there to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.
>>
>> You don't have to travel that far just to escape from him, surely? :p
>
>Him? Who?

Rizzle, of course.

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> I expect Adele to take over at #1
>>>
>>>The odds are statistically rather against that though: she's had one
>>>Number One out of ten
>>
>> Which means little, as most were undercut by *MASSIVE* album sales.
>
>Only the last two or three.

Well, '19' wasn't exactly a low seller, even before the boost from '21'.

>>
>> We were fooled by assuming high pre-orders for Wand Erection would
>> translate into massive sales.
>
>Speak for yourself. I wasn't convinced by the pre-orders as such, not
>least because nobody seemed willing to say how many there actually
>were.

Weren't they looking at the pre-order chart for that?

>Speaking of which, I forgot to mention Taylor Swift.

Is she releasing *another* promo track, then?

>
>>> and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.
>>
>> Are they getting airplay, though?
>
>Yes, how else would I know how shite it was?

I thought you just assumed that as default? :p
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------

>>>>Ellie
>>>> Goulding
>>>> should claim her 2nd #1 album.
>>>
>>>Depends what you expect obviously. What did her first album do in its
>>>opening week?
>>
>> It went to #1! :)
>
>Best not dwell on what happened in its second week though. :P

Unlikely to be repeated, though!

>
>> Obviously you meant iro sales, but comparing 1st week sales for debut v
>> follow-up albums is often a meaningless exercise. IIRC 'Lights' sold
>> around 38k first week, though. I doubt anyone expects her to sell that few
>> this week.
>
>Why shouldn't they? After all, last week you were telling us the
>declining market would halve Muse's sales.

Ellie's music is MOR, not fanbase rock though, so shouldn't suffer the
same front-loading.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:Vcrgam+$97cQ...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 at 23:21:54, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Happily, One Direction *didn't* get #1 - the prize going instead to
>>>>> Rihanna. Massive clear-out of last week's top 5 though!
>>>>
>>>>This is her seventh Number One single (including her contribution to
>>>>'Run
>>>>This Town') in a chart career that only began as recently as August
>>>>2005.
>>>
>>> That doesn't feel *that* recent to me.
>>
>>In the grand scheme of things it isn't, but it's a pretty short space of
>>time in which to achieve the sort of success that she has. Especially
>>relative to normal levels of activity by 21st Century recording acts.
>
> She seems to release an album virtually every year - about twice the
> normal rate.

Yes, she's released one every year since 2005 except 2008 - and that year
she re-released Good Girl Gone Bad with several extra tracks.
Of course, in the sixties it was common to release two albums every year.

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 5 : One Direction #3,
>>>>
>>>>OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any act
>>>>that
>>>>can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly
>>>
>>> I wonder if Cowell would agree - it's usually #1's or nothing, for him.
>>
>>It is?
>
> I thought you *knew* what he's like... :p

And yet Leona Lewis hasn't been dropped, even though she hasn't had a Number
One single in five years.

>>>>> Top 20 : Jason Mraz (IWGU) #11,
>>>>
>>>>Missed out at the last minute on becoming his first Top 10 single and is
>>>>instead his second to peak at 11 (out of only two Top 40 singles). So
>>>>full
>>>>marks for consistency.
>>>
>>> Just not for the song? :p
>>
>>Nope. I might give 2 out of 10 for that.
>
> That generous? :p

I need some scope to give 'I'm Yours' a lower score, don't I?

>>>>>Taylor Swift (Red) #26
>>>
>>> Bloody Teenage Awards...
>>
>>If it weren't for them there wouldn't be pictures of her in a short skirt
>>in the papers today.
>
> She's cute in anything.

Did somebody say she wasn't?

>>>>> Maroon 5 #64,
>>>>
>>>>The current Hot 100 Number One. Like their previous hit it makes a
>>>>rather
>>>>late arrival on the UK chart, with much confusion as to whether this
>>>>would
>>>>even be the single here. Possibly the label's hand was forced.
>>>
>>> I haven't heard it yet.
>>
>>I have. As I may previously have mentioned, it's shite.
>
> In your unbiased opinion, of course. :p

Well, I only think that because I've heard them. It's not like I started
with soe induilt bias against Americans, or bands with five members.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Muse take over at #1 with one of the biggest 1st week sales of the
>>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>>Fourth so far, I think, but notable better than the Killers did the week
>>>>before last.
>>>
>>> Surprisingly.
>>
>>Why is that actually suprising?
>
> Because I thought The Killers were bigger than Muse.

They probably were, once. But it seems like Muse have more of a core
audience.

>>> What the hell is a 'thermally reactive' box set?
>>
>>It's printed with ink that changes colour when you touch it.
>
> I used to have a mouse mat like that - it fascinated my nieces when they
> were little! :)

Do you remember Global Hypercolor shirts as well... {continued 1994}

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>>>
>>>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of the
>>>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock act
>>>>of
>>>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>>>
>>> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.
>>
>>I think you may have missed a bit out there?
>
> Nope.

So, are you saying it would have done better after only three or four
singles?

>>> BTW, do *any* rappers record under their real names? :p
>>
>>Kanye West is the obvious one.
>
> It *is*? Oh well, fair enough...

I suppose Kendrick Lamar should have been obvious too, since he was already
mentioned in this thread anyway. The most surprising non-stagenamed rapper
is probably Lisa Maffia.

>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Lower Than Atlantis #25,
>>>>
>>>>Major-label debut album from the Watford post-hardcore metal act.
>>>
>>> 'Post-hardcore'?
>>
>>So they describe themselves.
>
> But do *they* even know what it means? :p

I'm sure they have an idea. It can't be that hard to guess what sort of
music hardcore might be.

>>>>> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,
>>>>
>>>>This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of gain
>>>>two weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.
>>>
>>> Cut-price download, perhaps?
>>
>>It'd have to be a promoted price cut as well though. And why particularly
>>a download?
>
> Because they react faster to price-cuts than CD albums.

Even on albums?
In any case, they're a pretty small share of the market so it'd have to be a
humungous growth to make these climbs.

>>>>>Rizzle Kicks #70,
>>>>
>>>>Apparently selling for �3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even advertised
>>>>as
>>>>such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train from
>>>>there to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.
>>>
>>> You don't have to travel that far just to escape from him, surely? :p
>>
>>Him? Who?
>
> Rizzle, of course.

Why would I only want to avoid him and not the other one?

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> I expect Adele to take over at #1
>>>>
>>>>The odds are statistically rather against that though: she's had one
>>>>Number One out of ten
>>>
>>> Which means little, as most were undercut by *MASSIVE* album sales.
>>
>>Only the last two or three.
>
> Well, '19' wasn't exactly a low seller, even before the boost from '21'.

It wasn't a low seller, but neither was it a massive-in-capital-letters one.
And of course 'Rolling In The Deep' was released before it was on an album
at all.

>>> We were fooled by assuming high pre-orders for Wand Erection would
>>> translate into massive sales.
>>
>>Speak for yourself. I wasn't convinced by the pre-orders as such, not
>>least because nobody seemed willing to say how many there actually were.
>
> Weren't they looking at the pre-order chart for that?

What pre-order chart?

>>Speaking of which, I forgot to mention Taylor Swift.
>
> Is she releasing *another* promo track, then?

They're weekly - but oddly, people on the forums are saying this week's
hasn't been released in the UK yet. Maybe it's got loads of really insulting
anti-British lyrics?

>>>> and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.
>>>
>>> Are they getting airplay, though?
>>
>>Yes, how else would I know how shite it was?
>
> I thought you just assumed that as default? :p

I did when I was first aware of the song, but I have since been proved
right.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>>Ellie
>>>>> Goulding
>>>>> should claim her 2nd #1 album.
>>>>
>>>>Depends what you expect obviously. What did her first album do in its
>>>>opening week?
>>>
>>> It went to #1! :)
>>
>>Best not dwell on what happened in its second week though. :P
>
> Unlikely to be repeated, though!

By this album, yes. The record has of course already been beaten.

>>> Obviously you meant iro sales, but comparing 1st week sales for debut v
>>> follow-up albums is often a meaningless exercise. IIRC 'Lights' sold
>>> around 38k first week, though. I doubt anyone expects her to sell that
>>> few
>>> this week.
>>
>>Why shouldn't they? After all, last week you were telling us the declining
>>market would halve Muse's sales.
>
> Ellie's music is MOR, not fanbase rock though, so shouldn't suffer the
> same front-loading.

Isn't front-loading an advantage when it comes to first-week sales?
I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your sales.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 at 21:44:10, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>

>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>> Top 5 : One Direction #3,
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any
>>>>>act that
>>>>>can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if Cowell would agree - it's usually #1's or nothing, for him.
>>>
>>>It is?
>>
>> I thought you *knew* what he's like... :p
>
>And yet Leona Lewis hasn't been dropped, even though she hasn't had a
>Number One single in five years.
>

Maybe there's something between her & Cowell? :p
>
>>>>>> Maroon 5 #64,

>>> As I may previously have mentioned, it's shite.
>>
>> In your unbiased opinion, of course. :p
>
>Well, I only think that because I've heard them. It's not like I
>started with soe induilt bias

A double typo there - M5 must be *really* distracting. :p

>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------

>
>Do you remember Global Hypercolor shirts as well... {continued 1994}

No.

>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>>>>
>>>>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of the
>>>>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock
>>>>>act of
>>>>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>>>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>>>>
>>>> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.
>>>
>>>I think you may have missed a bit out there?
>>
>> Nope.
>
>So, are you saying it would have done better after only three or four
>singles?

Yes, because there would be more unknown tracks on the album, and thus
more incentive to buy the whole thing, rather than just cherry-pick.

>
>>>>>> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,
>>>>>
>>>>>This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of gain
>>>>>two weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Cut-price download, perhaps?
>>>
>>>It'd have to be a promoted price cut as well though. And why
>>>particularly a download?
>>
>> Because they react faster to price-cuts than CD albums.
>
>Even on albums?

Yes.

>
>>>>>>Rizzle Kicks #70,
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently selling for £3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even
>>>>>advertised as
>>>>>such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train from
>>>>>there to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to travel that far just to escape from him, surely? :p
>>>
>>>Him? Who?
>>
>> Rizzle, of course.
>
>Why would I only want to avoid him and not the other one?

There are two Rizzle Kicks? :p

>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------

>>>Speaking of which, I forgot to mention Taylor Swift.
>>
>> Is she releasing *another* promo track, then?
>
>They're weekly - but oddly, people on the forums are saying this week's
>hasn't been released in the UK yet. Maybe it's got loads of really
>insulting anti-British lyrics?

I can't imagine Taylor being nasty to anyone - not even Kanye West...

>
>>>>> and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.
>>>>
>>>> Are they getting airplay, though?
>>>
>>>Yes, how else would I know how shite it was?
>>
>> I thought you just assumed that as default? :p
>
>I did when I was first aware of the song, but I have since been proved
>right.

OK, here's a question - which M5 song have you least disliked?

>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------

>>>
>>>Why shouldn't they? After all, last week you were telling us the
>>>declining market would halve Muse's sales.
>>
>> Ellie's music is MOR, not fanbase rock though, so shouldn't suffer
>>the same front-loading.
>
>Isn't front-loading an advantage when it comes to first-week sales?
>I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your sales.
>

It worked for Adele!

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 at 21:44:10, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>> Top 5 : One Direction #3,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK, so here's the underperformer of the week. Now admittedly, any act
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>can class a Top 3 hit as a failure can't be doing that badly
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if Cowell would agree - it's usually #1's or nothing, for
>>>>> him.
>>>>
>>>>It is?
>>>
>>> I thought you *knew* what he's like... :p
>>
>>And yet Leona Lewis hasn't been dropped, even though she hasn't had a
>>Number One single in five years.
>>
> Maybe there's something between her & Cowell? :p

Yes, a great difference in the amount of talent.

>>>>>>> Maroon 5 #64,
>
>>>> As I may previously have mentioned, it's shite.
>>>
>>> In your unbiased opinion, of course. :p
>>
>>Well, I only think that because I've heard them. It's not like I started
>>with soe induilt bias
>
> A double typo there - M5 must be *really* distracting. :p

If I told you "soe induilt bias" was Korean for "shite MOR music" you
probably wouldn't believe me would you?

>>
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>
>>Do you remember Global Hypercolor shirts as well... {continued 1994}
>
> No.

As you've probably guessed from the context, they changed colour according
to temperature. So it was even easier to see how sweaty you were.

>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock
>>>>>>act of
>>>>>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>>>>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>>>>>
>>>>> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.
>>>>
>>>>I think you may have missed a bit out there?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>So, are you saying it would have done better after only three or four
>>singles?
>
> Yes, because there would be more unknown tracks on the album, and thus
> more incentive to buy the whole thing, rather than just cherry-pick.

You're assuming that knowing the songs would *discourage* people from buying
it?

>>>>>>> Amy Winehouse (LHT) #64,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This was a re-entry to the Top 200 last week IIRC, so that sort of
>>>>>>gain
>>>>>>two weeks running implies it's getting some promotion somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cut-price download, perhaps?
>>>>
>>>>It'd have to be a promoted price cut as well though. And why
>>>>particularly a download?
>>>
>>> Because they react faster to price-cuts than CD albums.
>>
>>Even on albums?
>
> Yes.

It's not as visible, though.
BTW, this is only Ł5 in HMV at Watford.

>>>>>>>Rizzle Kicks #70,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apparently selling for Ł3 in the HMV sale. I think it's even

>>>>>>advertised as
>>>>>>such in Harrow town centre, although by the time I'd got a train from
>>>>>>there to Watford or Uxbridge I wouldn't have saved much.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have to travel that far just to escape from him, surely? :p
>>>>
>>>>Him? Who?
>>>
>>> Rizzle, of course.
>>
>>Why would I only want to avoid him and not the other one?
>
> There are two Rizzle Kicks? :p

Yes, Rizzle (not his real name) and Sylvester (not his real name either).

>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>Speaking of which, I forgot to mention Taylor Swift.
>>>
>>> Is she releasing *another* promo track, then?
>>
>>They're weekly - but oddly, people on the forums are saying this week's
>>hasn't been released in the UK yet. Maybe it's got loads of really
>>insulting anti-British lyrics?
>
> I can't imagine Taylor being nasty to anyone - not even Kanye West...

You did realise that was a joke, right?
The song seems to have shown up now anyway.

>>>>>> and Maroon 5 could sneak T40 as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they getting airplay, though?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, how else would I know how shite it was?
>>>
>>> I thought you just assumed that as default? :p
>>
>>I did when I was first aware of the song, but I have since been proved
>>right.
>
> OK, here's a question - which M5 song have you least disliked?

The ones I haven't heard. :P

Of the ones I have, probably 'Harder To Breathe'.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>Why shouldn't they? After all, last week you were telling us the
>>>>declining market would halve Muse's sales.
>>>
>>> Ellie's music is MOR, not fanbase rock though, so shouldn't suffer the
>>> same front-loading.
>>
>>Isn't front-loading an advantage when it comes to first-week sales?
>>I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your sales.
>>
> It worked for Adele!

It did?

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 at 22:29:46, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>

>> Maybe there's something between her & Cowell? :p
>
>Yes, a great difference in the amount of talent.

On which side? :p
>
>>>>>>>> Maroon 5 #64,

>>>
>>>Well, I only think that because I've heard them. It's not like I started
>>>with soe induilt bias
>>
>> A double typo there - M5 must be *really* distracting. :p
>
>If I told you "soe induilt bias" was Korean for "shite MOR music" you
>probably wouldn't believe me would you?

Correct. :)

>

>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock
>>>>>>>act of
>>>>>>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>>>>>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you may have missed a bit out there?
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>So, are you saying it would have done better after only three or four
>>>singles?
>>
>> Yes, because there would be more unknown tracks on the album, and thus
>> more incentive to buy the whole thing, rather than just cherry-pick.
>
>You're assuming that knowing the songs would *discourage* people from
>buying it?

No - I'm assuming that *already owning* the songs would discourage them.

>

>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>Speaking of which, I forgot to mention Taylor Swift.
>>>>
>>>> Is she releasing *another* promo track, then?
>>>
>>>They're weekly - but oddly, people on the forums are saying this week's
>>>hasn't been released in the UK yet. Maybe it's got loads of really
>>>insulting anti-British lyrics?
>>
>> I can't imagine Taylor being nasty to anyone - not even Kanye West...
>
>You did realise that was a joke, right?

Of course.

>>
>> OK, here's a question - which M5 song have you least disliked?
>
>The ones I haven't heard. :P
>
>Of the ones I have, probably 'Harder To Breathe'.

In my case, I would say 'She Will Be Loved'
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------

>>>I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your sales.
>>>
>> It worked for Adele!
>
>It did?

Well MOR artists don't tend to have well-defined fanbases, unlike
boy/girl-bands & rock groups. However, they do have a wider general
appeal, so they don't need hardcore fanbases.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 at 22:29:46, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>> Maybe there's something between her & Cowell? :p
>>
>>Yes, a great difference in the amount of talent.
>
> On which side? :p

Depends which talents we're talking about.

>>>>>>>>> Maroon 5 #64,
>>>>
>>>>Well, I only think that because I've heard them. It's not like I started
>>>>with soe induilt bias
>>>
>>> A double typo there - M5 must be *really* distracting. :p
>>
>>If I told you "soe induilt bias" was Korean for "shite MOR music" you
>>probably wouldn't believe me would you?
>
> Correct. :)

Oh well.

>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Top 20 : DJ Fresh #14,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is in fact the third album from Dan Stein, formerly a member of
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>drum N bass act Bad Company (not to be confused with the blues-rock
>>>>>>>>act of
>>>>>>>>the same name). However, it's his first to be preceded by major hit
>>>>>>>>singles: five of them if you count 'Gold Dust'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which presumably explains why it didn't chart higher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you may have missed a bit out there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>So, are you saying it would have done better after only three or four
>>>>singles?
>>>
>>> Yes, because there would be more unknown tracks on the album, and thus
>>> more incentive to buy the whole thing, rather than just cherry-pick.
>>
>>You're assuming that knowing the songs would *discourage* people from
>>buying it?
>
> No - I'm assuming that *already owning* the songs would discourage them.

That's begging the question though isn't it?
It's not guaranteed that everyone who would consider buying the album
already had bought any or all of the singles; nor that those singles all
displaced new material. If you are going to do that maths, it's worth noting
that 'Gold Dust' is a new version anyway.
I actually think this album could have done better after only three
singles - but that's just because I think there might have been more
excitement about the album off the back of two Number Ones.

>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles

>>> OK, here's a question - which M5 song have you least disliked?
>>
>>The ones I haven't heard. :P
>>
>>Of the ones I have, probably 'Harder To Breathe'.
>
> In my case, I would say 'She Will Be Loved'

Funnily enough, I thought that was around the time that I realised I hated
their music, and they weren't just a band with a couple of crap songs.
I think fundamentally the thing I hate most is Adam Levine's singing so the
actual song is a mere detail.

>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your sales.
>>>>
>>> It worked for Adele!
>>
>>It did?
>
> Well MOR artists don't tend to have well-defined fanbases, unlike
> boy/girl-bands & rock groups. However, they do have a wider general
> appeal, so they don't need hardcore fanbases.

Not quite the same thing, though. Especially re frontloanding (and indeed
21's biggest sales week wasn't its first).
I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR acts
harder, especially in first-week sales.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 at 21:47:18, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe there's something between her & Cowell? :p
>>>
>>>Yes, a great difference in the amount of talent.
>>
>> On which side? :p
>
>Depends which talents we're talking about.

I assume you had something particular in mind when you said it... :)

>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------

>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your sales.
>>>>>
>>>> It worked for Adele!
>>>
>>>It did?
>>
>> Well MOR artists don't tend to have well-defined fanbases, unlike
>>boy/girl-bands & rock groups. However, they do have a wider general
>>appeal, so they don't need hardcore fanbases.
>
>Not quite the same thing, though. Especially re frontloanding (and
>indeed 21's biggest sales week wasn't its first).
>I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR
>acts harder, especially in first-week sales.

But OTOH they tend to be more consistent over the long run.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 at 21:47:18, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe there's something between her & Cowell? :p
>>>>
>>>>Yes, a great difference in the amount of talent.
>>>
>>> On which side? :p
>>
>>Depends which talents we're talking about.
>
> I assume you had something particular in mind when you said it... :)

Well, one of them is much better at singing. Another one is better at
self-publicity. I wouldn't know which is the better cook, for example.

>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>I don't get how not having a fanbase is supposed to increase your
>>>>>>sales.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It worked for Adele!
>>>>
>>>>It did?
>>>
>>> Well MOR artists don't tend to have well-defined fanbases, unlike
>>> boy/girl-bands & rock groups. However, they do have a wider general
>>> appeal, so they don't need hardcore fanbases.
>>
>>Not quite the same thing, though. Especially re frontloanding (and indeed
>>21's biggest sales week wasn't its first).
>>I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR
>>acts harder, especially in first-week sales.
>
> But OTOH they tend to be more consistent over the long run.

Even now, though? And is that even a meaningful comparison?
I would guess that in any case it doesn't much help matters if you go around
telling people you're not MOR.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 at 23:43:52, Chris Brown
<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :

>>>I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR
>>>acts harder, especially in first-week sales.
>>
>> But OTOH they tend to be more consistent over the long run.
>
>Even now, though?

<Cough>Adele<cough>

>And is that even a meaningful comparison?
>I would guess that in any case it doesn't much help matters if you go
>around telling people you're not MOR.
>

Who has been doing that?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 at 23:43:52, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR
>>>>acts harder, especially in first-week sales.
>>>
>>> But OTOH they tend to be more consistent over the long run.
>>
>>Even now, though?
>
> <Cough>Adele<cough>

One person is not a tendency.

>>And is that even a meaningful comparison?
>>I would guess that in any case it doesn't much help matters if you go
>>around telling people you're not MOR.
>>
> Who has been doing that?

Ellie Goulding. To be fair she never said she was MOR in the first place but
she doesn't dress like an MOR singer these days.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 at 18:20:02, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :

>
>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:KGYHs684...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 at 23:43:52, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR
>>>>>acts harder, especially in first-week sales.
>>>>
>>>> But OTOH they tend to be more consistent over the long run.
>>>
>>>Even now, though?
>>
>> <Cough>Adele<cough>
>
>One person is not a tendency.

Take That, Coldplay...

>
>>>I would guess that in any case it doesn't much help matters if you go
>>>around telling people you're not MOR.
>>>
>> Who has been doing that?
>
>Ellie Goulding. To be fair she never said she was MOR in the first
>place but she doesn't dress like an MOR singer these days.
>

But to me, being an MOR singer is not a bad thing.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 at 18:20:02, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>
>>"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:KGYHs684...@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 at 23:43:52, Chris Brown
>>> <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
>>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>>>I do think there's a tendency for the declining market to hit more MOR
>>>>>>acts harder, especially in first-week sales.
>>>>>
>>>>> But OTOH they tend to be more consistent over the long run.
>>>>
>>>>Even now, though?
>>>
>>> <Cough>Adele<cough>
>>
>>One person is not a tendency.
>
> Take That, Coldplay...

Surely their albums have such massive initial sales they can't possibly be
consistent?

>>>>I would guess that in any case it doesn't much help matters if you go
>>>>around telling people you're not MOR.
>>>>
>>> Who has been doing that?
>>
>>Ellie Goulding. To be fair she never said she was MOR in the first place
>>but she doesn't dress like an MOR singer these days.
>>
> But to me, being an MOR singer is not a bad thing.

I didn't say it was - but people who want to appeal openly to an MOR market
don't go around looking like this:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2012/9/28/1348853213300/Ellie-Goulding-iTunes-011.jpg

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 at 17:29:31, Chris Brown
<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>

>>>One person is not a tendency.
>>
>> Take That, Coldplay...
>
>Surely their albums have such massive initial sales they can't possibly
>be consistent?

Well, they consistently sell 1m+ per album...

>
>>>>>I would guess that in any case it doesn't much help matters if you go
>>>>>around telling people you're not MOR.
>>>>>
>>>> Who has been doing that?
>>>
>>>Ellie Goulding. To be fair she never said she was MOR in the first place
>>>but she doesn't dress like an MOR singer these days.
>>>
>> But to me, being an MOR singer is not a bad thing.
>
>I didn't say it was - but people who want to appeal openly to an MOR
>market don't go around looking like this:
>http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2012/9/28/1348
>853213300/Ellie-Goulding-iTunes-011.jpg
>

She's looks pretty good to me in that picture.