Chart Commentary 6/9/08
Paul Hyett
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Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fourth week.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Eric Prydz #2, Rihanna #3, Biffy Clyro #5
Top 20 : Glasvegas #12, Little Jackie #14, Alphabeat (BF) #15, Metallica
(TDTNC) #19
Top 30 : Miley Cyrus #23, Paul Weller #28
Top 40 : Ne-Yo #39
Re-entries T40 :
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Does It Offend You
Yeah #41, Chicane v Natasha Bedingfield #43, Duffy (SS) #49, Metallica
(MA) #51, Sonny J #55, LL Cool J #56,
Re-entries : Pendulum (PN) #63, Michael Buble (H) #74, Glasvegas (G) #75
Albums
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The Verve claim their 2nd #1 album, 12 years after their first.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Slipknot #2, Eva Cassidy #4, Michael Jackson #5, Game #9, Teddy
Thompson #10
Top 20 : Dragonforce #18
New outside the top 20 : Shaggy #22, Abba (18H) #24, Automatic #44, Jon
Bonamassa #45, Glen Campbell #54
Re-entries : Josh Groban #32, Abba (MAG) #63, Metallica (Met) #70, Dre
Straits (BIA) #73
Next Week
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Singles
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Could be close this time, given a full week's physical sales for both
Katy Perry & Eric Prydz. I think the latter may just edge it.
Top 5 : Pussycat Dolls (if downloadable)
Top 10 :
Top 20 :
Top 30 : Duffy, New Kids On The Block (more like pensioners now!)
Top 40 : Bryn Christopher, Mariah Carey, Flo Rider (ITA)
Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
Albums
------
Having seen no midweek sales figures, I have no idea what sort of a
margin The Verve had, but given the competition, I can see them having a
2nd week at #1.
Top 10 NE : Chemical Brothers,
Top 20 NE : Brian Wilson, Miley Cyrus, Motorhead
Others : BWO, David Byrne, David Soul, Little Jackie
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> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fourth week.
She recently had her breasts cast for charity. That's about the most
interesting thing I can find to say about it.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Eric Prydz #2,
Out tomorrow on CDs and 12"
>Rihanna #3,
Oh yeah, this is a climber isn't it?
> Biffy Clyro #5
Even if this is a non-album single, there must be some reason this seems to
be proving so much more popular than their other singles, but I can't hear
it.
Perhaps it's just that 'Mountains' isn't too bad a title by their standards.
> Top 20 : Glasvegas #12,
Second consecutive hit from the Scots, following a well-received season of
festival performances.
As the title suggests, 'Daddy's Gone' is a rumination on fatherhood, which
seems oddly out of place
>Little Jackie #14,
According to the BBC's ChartBlog, the Egg McMuffin predates the Chicken
Nugget by some eight years. Aren't you glad you know that now?
>Alphabeat (BF) #15,
Not actually a one-track CD as I suggested but the second track is only a
cover version of 'Black And Gold', so possibly not a great selling point.
> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
Their first single in fifteen years to beat its original entry point, if
only due to the artificial effect of its being released part-way through
last week.
> Top 30 : Miley Cyrus #23,
Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
Unfortunately for her, there's already at least one Avril Lavigne out there.
>Paul Weller #28
Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
> Top 40 : Ne-Yo #39
And his album's so late they've got time for another single.
Out on CD or whatever on the 29th of Sept.
> Re-entries T40 :
>
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Does It Offend You Yeah
> #41,
Does it bore me? Yep.
But I can't deny that the name put me off.
>Chicane v Natasha Bedingfield #43,
Victorious in the little-noticed Battle Of The Dance Records Sampling
Members Of The Bedingfield Family.
I haven't actually heard this, but I can make an educated guess from the
title as to what its like.
>Duffy (SS) #49,
Some compensation as her album drops out of the Top 5 for the first time
since release.
> Metallica (MA) #51,
So I guess it is eligible then!
> Sonny J #55,
Out again on CD, 7" & 12" on the 8th of September.
> LL Cool J #56,
Surprise climber of the week.
> Re-entries : Pendulum (PN) #63,
I suppose everybody's forgotten the last single now.
>Glasvegas (G) #75
Presumably from festival coverage.
> Albums
> ------
> The Verve claim their 2nd #1 album, 12 years after their first.
Well, 11 years. Or ten years and 11 months if you want to be really exact.
If you want to split hairs, this is the first chart-topping album by the
original line-up of the band.
Forth (see what they did there) naturally contains the current hit and nine
further tracks, or eleven on the vinyl version. There's also a CD/DVD combo
with a documentary and some live tracks.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Slipknot #2,
Their third consecutive Top 5 album, ignoring the live disc.
I remember somebody from the record company being interviewed after their
Number One album seven years ago and explaining why the last week of August
was such an opportune time for them to release.
The digital single 'Psychosocial' also reaches a new peak, in the now common
pattern.
>Eva Cassidy #4,
Eclectic Top 5 we have here, isn't it?
Her first album in four years apparently, but no less than her seventh
posthumous release. And yet none of these songs have appeared on one of hers
before, and two were even co-written by her.
>Michael Jackson #5,
And so the self-crowned King Of Pop returns with another Greatest Hits set,
supposedly compiled from a fans poll (although it was turned round
suspiciously fast). A deluxe version is released next month.
>Game #9,
Not that he has a lot in common with Slipknot artistically, but his timing
was probably as careful as theirs.
>Teddy Thompson #10
More unexpectedly, his fourth album not only cracks the Top 100 for the
first time but makes him the first member of his family to reach the Top 10.
This may be a beneficiary of his decision to adopt a poppier sound courtesy
of producer Marius De Vries.
> Top 20 : Dragonforce #18
Fourth album from the British hard rockers.
A deluxe version adds two bonus tracks (to the original eight) and a DVD
with making-of documentaries for the album itself and their customised
guitars.
> New outside the top 20 : Shaggy #22,
Presumably TV-advertised, as some people must have known it was coming out,
Boombastic Collection is the album of hits you might expect, and to give
credit where it's due the compilers have obviously made the effort to deal
with other labels so all four of his Number Ones are here.
>Abba (18H) #24,
Doesn't actually contain 18 hits of course.
>Automatic #44,
Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
>Jon
Joe
> Bonamassa #45,
Live From Nowhere In Particular - I wonder what the fire limit is there?
Anyhow, this is the second in-concert set from the hotly-tipped blues
guitarist, who gets through 14 songs in 100 minutes.
>Glen Campbell #54
Meet Glen Campbell is a set of (relatively) contemporary covers, although
unlike the Johnny Cash albums that may have inspired it, it's produced in a
similar style to his vintage recordings. The single is his interpretation of
Green Day's 'Good Riddance' whilst other tunes come from the pens of Dave
Grohl, Lou Reed, Tom Petty (twice) and our own John Lennon and Fran Healy.
> Re-entries : Josh Groban #32,
It must be too much of a coincidence that this re-enters and Buble climbs.
> Abba (MAG) #63,
Repackage of the album that possibly should have been called Abba Silver,
originally issued in 1993 and re-issued in 1999. It mops up some of the
lesser hits that didn't make the cut for Abba Gold (most notably 'Summer
Night City', 'Honey Honey' and 'The Day Before You Came') as well as
selected album tracks and the previously unreleased track 'I Am The City'.
>Metallica (Met) #70,
Possibly helped by downloads.
> Dre Straits (BIA) #73
What is this, Mark Knopfler's new hip-hop project? ;-)
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Could be close this time, given a full week's physical sales for both Katy
> Perry & Eric Prydz. I think the latter may just edge it.
He may very well, since I'd imagine him to sell more physicals even if it is
a fair fight. Mind you, I don't know what the margin was this week.
> Top 5 : Pussycat Dolls (if downloadable)
Good question. It is currently 31 on iTunes.
> Top 30 : Duffy,
Probably about the best she can do, not that it matters.
> New Kids On The Block (more like pensioners now!)
They're even older than me.
It's hard to tell how many people really are interested in this single
(although I can see five people who aren't).
> Top 40 : Bryn Christopher,
This is a bit of an odd one - it's a larger-scale release than his first
single, but not as many people seem interested in it.
>Mariah Carey,
Is this actually being released?
>Flo Rider (ITA)
Possibly.
> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
Well, I know the Gym Class Heroes track is out on downloads. But I don't
know if anyone cares.
> Albums
> ------
> Having seen no midweek sales figures, I have no idea what sort of a margin
> The Verve had, but given the competition, I can see them having a 2nd week
> at #1.
All I know is it was 2k after Sunday and Monday, and I'll make an educated
guess that it widened after that. But surely it's their actual sales that
matter more than the gap?
> Top 10 NE : Chemical Brothers,
Yes. But is it just me or has there not been much promo?
> Top 20 NE : Brian Wilson,
Possibly although this too is a relatively low-key release over here.
> Miley Cyrus,
Possibly not.
> Motorhead
Haven't charted an album in donkey's years.
> Others : BWO,
Really?
> David Byrne,
If you mean that one with Brian Eno, it's apparently download-only.
>David Soul,
I know he's been on the telly but seriously?
> Little Jackie
At least that's believable.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fourth week.
>
>She recently had her breasts cast for charity. That's about the most
>interesting thing I can find to say about it.
Other than where copies of those casts might be bought? :)
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Eric Prydz #2,
>
>Out tomorrow on CDs and 12"
As is Katy Perry's single, too, don't forget.
>
>>Rihanna #3,
>
>Oh yeah, this is a climber isn't it?
A very slow one.
>
>> Biffy Clyro #5
>
>Even if this is a non-album single, there must be some reason this seems to
>be proving so much more popular than their other singles, but I can't hear
>it.
>Perhaps it's just that 'Mountains' isn't too bad a title by their standards.
It seems to be doing fairly well on downloads, which is unusual for
them.
>
>> Top 20 : Glasvegas #12,
>
>Second consecutive hit from the Scots, following a well-received season of
>festival performances.
>As the title suggests, 'Daddy's Gone' is a rumination on fatherhood, which
>seems oddly out of place
Given the lack of downloads, I suspect it will be a case of 'single's
gone' by next Sunday. :)
>
>>Little Jackie #14,
>
>According to the BBC's ChartBlog, the Egg McMuffin predates the Chicken
>Nugget by some eight years. Aren't you glad you know that now?
WTF does that have to do with this song, though? :)
>
>>Alphabeat (BF) #15,
>
>Not actually a one-track CD as I suggested but the second track is only a
>cover version of 'Black And Gold', so possibly not a great selling point.
Enough to boost it 20 places.
>
>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>
>Their first single in fifteen years to beat its original entry point, if
>only due to the artificial effect of its being released part-way through
>last week.
It really trailed off during the week, though - and now down at #38 on
iTunes.
>
>> Top 30 : Miley Cyrus #23,
>
>Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
>plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
>Unfortunately for her, there's already at least one Avril Lavigne out there.
You think she resembles AL?
>
>>Paul Weller #28
>
>Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
>plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
Err, you might want to check the above sentence, unless there's
something Weller hasn't been telling us! :)
>
>> Top 40 : Ne-Yo #39
>
>And his album's so late they've got time for another single.
>Out on CD or whatever on the 29th of Sept.
What's a 'whatever'?
>>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Does It Offend You Yeah
>> #41,
>
>Does it bore me? Yep.
>But I can't deny that the name put me off.
At least I didn't have to hear it..
>
>>Chicane v Natasha Bedingfield #43,
>
>Victorious in the little-noticed Battle Of The Dance Records Sampling
>Members Of The Bedingfield Family.
>I haven't actually heard this, but I can make an educated guess from the
>title as to what its like.
The video has been getting a respectable amount of TV play. NB doesn't
appear in it, alas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZrz-PCmHk
>
>>Duffy (SS) #49,
>
>Some compensation as her album drops out of the Top 5 for the first time
>since release.
Missed that.. though I guess with 6 NE's in the T10 it should be no
surprise.
>
>> Metallica (MA) #51,
>
>So I guess it is eligible then!
If not very successful.
>
>> Sonny J #55,
>
>Out again on CD, 7" & 12" on the 8th of September.
I just hope it misses the T40 - worse even the New Edition's 'Candy
Girl'! :(
>
>> LL Cool J #56,
>
>Surprise climber of the week.
The only surprise is that's it's there at all, given the lack of promo.
>
>> Re-entries : Pendulum (PN) #63,
>
>I suppose everybody's forgotten the last single now.
I try to forget all theirs.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Verve claim their 2nd #1 album, 12 years after their first.
>
>Well, 11 years. Or ten years and 11 months if you want to be really exact.
Not really. :)
>Forth (see what they did there) naturally contains the current hit and nine
>further tracks, or eleven on the vinyl version. There's also a CD/DVD combo
>with a documentary and some live tracks.
I have no clue how many it sold though - even the mids gave no info.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Slipknot #2,
>
>Their third consecutive Top 5 album, ignoring the live disc.
>I remember somebody from the record company being interviewed after their
>Number One album seven years ago and explaining why the last week of August
>was such an opportune time for them to release.
An explanation was *needed*? :)
>The digital single 'Psychosocial' also reaches a new peak
Big deal. :)
>>Eva Cassidy #4,
>
>Eclectic Top 5 we have here, isn't it?
>Her first album in four years apparently, but no less than her seventh
>posthumous release. And yet none of these songs have appeared on one of hers
>before, and two were even co-written by her.
Also, her most well-known album 'Songbird' climbs to #51
>
>>Michael Jackson #5,
>
>And so the self-crowned King Of Pop returns with another Greatest Hits set,
>supposedly compiled from a fans poll (although it was turned round
>suspiciously fast). A deluxe version is released next month.
Will it still be T75 by then? :)
>
>>Game #9,
>
>Not that he has a lot in common with Slipknot artistically, but his timing
>was probably as careful as theirs.
I'm mystified why it's done so well - didn't see it on the shelves
anywhere, and there's been zilch promo AFAICS.
>
>> Top 20 : Dragonforce #18
>
>Fourth album from the British hard rockers.
Yet I've never heard of them before.
>A deluxe version adds two bonus tracks (to the original eight)
Very generous to their fans...
>
>> New outside the top 20 :
>
>>Automatic #44,
>
>Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
>clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
A polite way of saying it bombed with a capital 'B'! :)
>
>>Jon
>
>Joe
Who cares?
>
>> Bonamassa #45,
>
>>Glen Campbell #54
>
>Meet Glen Campbell is a set of (relatively) contemporary covers, although
>unlike the Johnny Cash albums that may have inspired it, it's produced in a
>similar style to his vintage recordings. The single is his interpretation of
>Green Day's 'Good Riddance' whilst other tunes come from the pens of Dave
>Grohl, Lou Reed, Tom Petty (twice) and our own John Lennon and Fran Healy.
Yawn.
>
>> Re-entries : Josh Groban #32,
>
>It must be too much of a coincidence that this re-enters and Buble climbs.
No idea why, though.
>
>> Abba (MAG) #63,
>
>Repackage of the album that possibly should have been called Abba Silver,
>originally issued in 1993 and re-issued in 1999. It mops up some of the
>lesser hits that didn't make the cut for Abba Gold (most notably 'Summer
>Night City', 'Honey Honey' and 'The Day Before You Came') as well as
>selected album tracks and the previously unreleased track 'I Am The City'.
You'd have thought a couple of weeks earlier might have been wiser.
>
>>Metallica (Met) #70,
>
>Possibly helped by downloads.
Of the *album*?
>
>> Dre Straits (BIA) #73
>
>What is this, Mark Knopfler's new hip-hop project? ;-)
Aargh!
Does that mean our typo truce is off? :)
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Could be close this time, given a full week's physical sales for both Katy
>> Perry & Eric Prydz. I think the latter may just edge it.
>
>He may very well, since I'd imagine him to sell more physicals even if it is
>a fair fight. Mind you, I don't know what the margin was this week.
I have no idea either.
There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out
this week (tomorrow on iTunes), but it's had virtually zero publicity,
so how it'll do is anyone's guess.
>
>> Top 5 : Pussycat Dolls (if downloadable)
>
>Good question. It is currently 31 on iTunes.
Now #11, so that rate of climb suggests my prediction may be a close
one.
>
>> Top 30 :
>
>> New Kids On The Block (more like pensioners now!)
>
>They're even older than me.
>It's hard to tell how many people really are interested in this single
>(although I can see five people who aren't).
Grin.
>
>> Top 40 : Bryn Christopher,
>
>This is a bit of an odd one - it's a larger-scale release than his first
>single, but not as many people seem interested in it.
Just #66 on iT, so it'd need to sell a lot of CD's.
>
>>Mariah Carey,
>
>Is this actually being released?
>
Well, it was, on the old NR sched - but not the latest one apparently.
>
>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>
>Well, I know the Gym Class Heroes track is out on downloads. But I don't
>know if anyone cares.
#47 on iT, so it has a chance.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Having seen no midweek sales figures, I have no idea what sort of a margin
>> The Verve had, but given the competition, I can see them having a 2nd week
>> at #1.
>
>All I know is it was 2k after Sunday and Monday, and I'll make an educated
>guess that it widened after that. But surely it's their actual sales that
>matter more than the gap?
Well, since I had no clue about either...
>
>> Top 10 NE : Chemical Brothers,
>
>Yes. But is it just me or has there not been much promo?
You've *seen* some?
>
>> Top 20 NE : Brian Wilson,
>
>Possibly although this too is a relatively low-key release over here.
We've been fooled before...
>
>> Miley Cyrus,
>
>Possibly not.
Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>
>> Others : BWO,
>
>Really?
Well all kinds of other relatively obscure acts have been charting...
>
>> David Byrne,
>
>If you mean that one with Brian Eno,
I have no idea.
> it's apparently download-only.
Probably not, then.
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 at 22:37:09, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fourth week.
>>
>>She recently had her breasts cast for charity. That's about the most
>>interesting thing I can find to say about it.
>
> Other than where copies of those casts might be bought? :)
I did say interesting.
Here's a story that seems to have been translated via several languages.
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017942.html
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Eric Prydz #2,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CDs and 12"
>
> As is Katy Perry's single, too, don't forget.
Unless it came out on Friday. Nobody seems to be too sure about that.
>>>Rihanna #3,
>>
>>Oh yeah, this is a climber isn't it?
>
> A very slow one.
As the release lists get more crowded, though, it'll struggle to get higher
than this.
>>> Biffy Clyro #5
>>
>>Even if this is a non-album single, there must be some reason this seems
>>to
>>be proving so much more popular than their other singles, but I can't hear
>>it.
>>Perhaps it's just that 'Mountains' isn't too bad a title by their
>>standards.
>
> It seems to be doing fairly well on downloads, which is unusual for them.
Possibly an effect of the album not being around.
>>>Little Jackie #14,
>>
>>According to the BBC's ChartBlog, the Egg McMuffin predates the Chicken
>>Nugget by some eight years. Aren't you glad you know that now?
>
> WTF does that have to do with this song, though? :)
Not that I blame you for losing interest, but she does ask that during the
song. So I'm very satirically addressing that, rather than letting the
commentary revolve around her.
>>>Alphabeat (BF) #15,
>>
>>Not actually a one-track CD as I suggested but the second track is only a
>>cover version of 'Black And Gold', so possibly not a great selling point.
>
> Enough to boost it 20 places.
Dare I suggest that might actually be a coincidence? ;-)
>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>
>>Their first single in fifteen years to beat its original entry point, if
>>only due to the artificial effect of its being released part-way through
>>last week.
>
> It really trailed off during the week, though - and now down at #38 on
> iTunes.
On which basis it's very unlikely to stay T40.
BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
were released later.
>>> Top 30 : Miley Cyrus #23,
>>
>>Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
>>plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
>>Unfortunately for her, there's already at least one Avril Lavigne out
>>there.
>
> You think she resembles AL?
In sound, yes. At least this record does.
>>>Paul Weller #28
>>
>>Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
>>plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
>
> Err, you might want to check the above sentence, unless there's something
> Weller hasn't been telling us! :)
Billy Ray Cyrus will be confused.
Sorry, bit of a cut & paste error there. Here's what I actually wrote for
this slot:
Like his previous release, this is billed as a double A-side, but isn't
really one because the second 7" format doesn't include 'Push It Along',
featuring acoustic versions of 'All I Wanna Do' and 'Pretty Flamingo'.
The CD single also includes a vocal version of 'Big Brass Buttons' but
unfortunately they're by Bobby Gillespie.
One reason I mention those B-sides was that the digital equivalents of the
formats were apparently on iTunes last week, but evidently didn't sell in
that form.
>>> Top 40 : Ne-Yo #39
>>
>>And his album's so late they've got time for another single.
>>Out on CD or whatever on the 29th of Sept.
>
> What's a 'whatever'?
The ideal format for a record as boring as this?
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Does It Offend You
>>> Yeah
>>> #41,
>>
>>Does it bore me? Yep.
>>But I can't deny that the name put me off.
>
> At least I didn't have to hear it..
You'd barely have noticed if you did.
>>>Chicane v Natasha Bedingfield #43,
>>
>>Victorious in the little-noticed Battle Of The Dance Records Sampling
>>Members Of The Bedingfield Family.
>>I haven't actually heard this, but I can make an educated guess from the
>>title as to what its like.
>
> The video has been getting a respectable amount of TV play. NB doesn't
> appear in it, alas.
If her voice didn't either, we might be getting somewhere.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZrz-PCmHk
To save the trouble, would I be right in thinking it's 'I Bruise Easily' and
'Saltwater' stuck together?
>>>Duffy (SS) #49,
>>
>>Some compensation as her album drops out of the Top 5 for the first time
>>since release.
>
> Missed that.. though I guess with 6 NE's in the T10 it should be no
> surprise.
Indeed not. It's actually never charted lower than 4 before.
>>> Metallica (MA) #51,
>>
>>So I guess it is eligible then!
>
> If not very successful.
Not really, but this isn't that bad for an album track.
>>> Sonny J #55,
>>
>>Out again on CD, 7" & 12" on the 8th of September.
>
> I just hope it misses the T40 - worse even the New Edition's 'Candy Girl'!
> :(
That's a bit of a random comparison!
I preferred the original version.
>>> LL Cool J #56,
>>
>>Surprise climber of the week.
>
> The only surprise is that's it's there at all, given the lack of promo.
That's sort of what I meant.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The Verve claim their 2nd #1 album, 12 years after their first.
>>
>>Well, 11 years. Or ten years and 11 months if you want to be really exact.
>
> Not really. :)
You won't be wanting me to mention that their last week at the top was in
February 1998, then?
>>Forth (see what they did there) naturally contains the current hit and
>>nine
>>further tracks, or eleven on the vinyl version. There's also a CD/DVD
>>combo
>>with a documentary and some live tracks.
>
> I have no clue how many it sold though - even the mids gave no info.
Well, we have now obviously.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Slipknot #2,
>>
>>Their third consecutive Top 5 album, ignoring the live disc.
>>I remember somebody from the record company being interviewed after their
>>Number One album seven years ago and explaining why the last week of
>>August
>>was such an opportune time for them to release.
>
> An explanation was *needed*? :)
I think the main factors were that kids were all in the shops getting their
stuff for the new school year and adults had their payday at the end of the
month. One other factor they might have had in mind this year would be
coinciding with the Reading Festival, but they ended up not playing anyway.
>>>Eva Cassidy #4,
>>
>>Eclectic Top 5 we have here, isn't it?
>>Her first album in four years apparently, but no less than her seventh
>>posthumous release. And yet none of these songs have appeared on one of
>>hers
>>before, and two were even co-written by her.
>
> Also, her most well-known album 'Songbird' climbs to #51
Presumably the next release will be duets with 2Pac or something.
>>>Michael Jackson #5,
>>
>>And so the self-crowned King Of Pop returns with another Greatest Hits
>>set,
>>supposedly compiled from a fans poll (although it was turned round
>>suspiciously fast). A deluxe version is released next month.
>
> Will it still be T75 by then? :)
I'm sure it will that week anyway.
And faster than you can say cash-in, Universal have released a collection of
tracks from his Motown days.
>>>Game #9,
>>
>>Not that he has a lot in common with Slipknot artistically, but his timing
>>was probably as careful as theirs.
>
> I'm mystified why it's done so well - didn't see it on the shelves
> anywhere, and there's been zilch promo AFAICS.
I have seen it on the shelves, with both covers. Maybe he's only popular in
London or something?
Oh, and apparently LAX stands for Los Angeles Times.
>>> Top 20 : Dragonforce #18
>>
>>Fourth album from the British hard rockers.
>
> Yet I've never heard of them before.
I was pretty vague about them myself.
>>> New outside the top 20 :
>>
>>>Automatic #44,
>>
>>Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
>>clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
>
> A polite way of saying it bombed with a capital 'B'! :)
Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
>>>Jon
>>
>>Joe
>
> Who cares?
His parents, probably.
>>> Bonamassa #45,
>>
>>>Glen Campbell #54
>>
>>Meet Glen Campbell is a set of (relatively) contemporary covers, although
>>unlike the Johnny Cash albums that may have inspired it, it's produced in
>>a
>>similar style to his vintage recordings. The single is his interpretation
>>of
>>Green Day's 'Good Riddance' whilst other tunes come from the pens of Dave
>>Grohl, Lou Reed, Tom Petty (twice) and our own John Lennon and Fran Healy.
>
> Yawn.
An instinctive reaction to Fran Healy?
Actually, I don't mind his Green Day cover that much, possibly because I was
never keen on the original. His attempt at 'Times Like These' is awful
though.
>>> Re-entries : Josh Groban #32,
>>
>>It must be too much of a coincidence that this re-enters and Buble climbs.
>
> No idea why, though.
Some big movie on the telly? Somebody covered them on X-Factor?
>>> Abba (MAG) #63,
>>
>>Repackage of the album that possibly should have been called Abba Silver,
>>originally issued in 1993 and re-issued in 1999. It mops up some of the
>>lesser hits that didn't make the cut for Abba Gold (most notably 'Summer
>>Night City', 'Honey Honey' and 'The Day Before You Came') as well as
>>selected album tracks and the previously unreleased track 'I Am The City'.
>
> You'd have thought a couple of weeks earlier might have been wiser.
Well it is already fifteen years old.
>>>Metallica (Met) #70,
>>
>>Possibly helped by downloads.
>
> Of the *album*?
Why not?
>>> Dre Straits (BIA) #73
>>
>>What is this, Mark Knopfler's new hip-hop project? ;-)
>
> Aargh!
>
> Does that mean our typo truce is off? :)
Couldn't resist that, sorry.
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Could be close this time, given a full week's physical sales for both
>>> Katy
>>> Perry & Eric Prydz. I think the latter may just edge it.
>>
>>He may very well, since I'd imagine him to sell more physicals even if it
>>is
>>a fair fight. Mind you, I don't know what the margin was this week.
>
> I have no idea either.
I have seen it now.
> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out this
> week (tomorrow on iTunes), but it's had virtually zero publicity, so how
> it'll do is anyone's guess.
If it's out *tomorrow* that would seem to suggest a US rather than a UK
release date.
>>> Top 5 : Pussycat Dolls (if downloadable)
>>
>>Good question. It is currently 31 on iTunes.
>
> Now #11, so that rate of climb suggests my prediction may be a close one.
Now Number 4!!!
And I've only heard it once.
>>> Top 30 :
>>
>>> New Kids On The Block (more like pensioners now!)
>>
>>They're even older than me.
>>It's hard to tell how many people really are interested in this single
>>(although I can see five people who aren't).
>
> Grin.
Supposedly their old label are cashing in with a best-of.
>>> Top 40 : Bryn Christopher,
>>
>>This is a bit of an odd one - it's a larger-scale release than his first
>>single, but not as many people seem interested in it.
>
> Just #66 on iT, so it'd need to sell a lot of CD's.
Uh-oh.
>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>
>>Well, I know the Gym Class Heroes track is out on downloads. But I don't
>>know if anyone cares.
>
> #47 on iT, so it has a chance.
That 'Paddy's Revenge' seems to be doing quite well too.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>
>>> Top 10 NE : Chemical Brothers,
>>
>>Yes. But is it just me or has there not been much promo?
>
> You've *seen* some?
I heard the single on the radio once. It seems all the more bizarre for a
best-of album, especially a second one.
>>> Top 20 NE : Brian Wilson,
>>
>>Possibly although this too is a relatively low-key release over here.
>
> We've been fooled before...
Really?
He's had some decent reviews on this one, but people haven't been waiting
decades so it's a bit up in the air.
>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>
>>Possibly not.
>
> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
Why theirs?
>>> Others : BWO,
>>
>>Really?
>
> Well all kinds of other relatively obscure acts have been charting...
Yes, but they've tended to be metal acts.
>>> David Byrne,
>>
>>If you mean that one with Brian Eno,
>
> I have no idea.
Well, that seems to be his most topical release, although he did put out
some soundtrack music in America a couple of weeks ago.
>> it's apparently download-only.
>
> Probably not, then.
Under present chart rules, definitely not. It seems like it's only available
from their website as well.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fourth week.
>>>
>>>She recently had her breasts cast for charity. That's about the most
>>>interesting thing I can find to say about it.
>>
>> Other than where copies of those casts might be bought? :)
>
>I did say interesting.
>Here's a story that seems to have been translated via several languages.
>http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017942.html
A definite C cup - possibly even a D...
Perhaps they should have auctioned off the task of *doing* the
plastering, too. :)
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Eric Prydz #2,
>>>
>>>Out tomorrow on CDs and 12"
>>
>> As is Katy Perry's single, too, don't forget.
>
>Unless it came out on Friday. Nobody seems to be too sure about that.
I'm pretty sure now that it didn't appear until yesterday.
>
>>>>Rihanna #3,
>>>
>>>Oh yeah, this is a climber isn't it?
>>
>> A very slow one.
>
>As the release lists get more crowded, though, it'll struggle to get higher
>than this.
Especially will the non-existent (or at least very belated) physical
release.
>
>>>> Biffy Clyro #5
>>
>> It seems to be doing fairly well on downloads, which is unusual for them.
>
>Possibly an effect of the album not being around.
But unless their fans were keen on it (for some reason), that wouldn't
help a lot.
>
>>>>Little Jackie #14,
>>>
>>>According to the BBC's ChartBlog, the Egg McMuffin predates the Chicken
>>>Nugget by some eight years. Aren't you glad you know that now?
>>
>> WTF does that have to do with this song, though? :)
>
>Not that I blame you for losing interest, but she does ask that during the
>song.
Shows how little attention I've paid to it.
>So I'm very satirically addressing that, rather than letting the
>commentary revolve around her.
I thought they're a group, not a person...
>
>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>
>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>were released later.
Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>
>>>>Paul Weller #28
>>>
>>>Her first charting single under her own name, presumably as part of some
>>>plan to launch her as an artist in her own right beyond the character.
>>
>> Err, you might want to check the above sentence, unless there's something
>> Weller hasn't been telling us! :)
>
>Sorry, bit of a cut & paste error there.
You don't say! :)
>Here's what I actually wrote for
>this slot:
>Like his previous release, this is billed as a double A-side, but isn't
>really one because the second 7" format doesn't include 'Push It Along',
>featuring acoustic versions of 'All I Wanna Do' and 'Pretty Flamingo'.
>The CD single also includes a vocal version of 'Big Brass Buttons' but
>unfortunately they're by Bobby Gillespie.
>One reason I mention those B-sides was that the digital equivalents of the
>formats were apparently on iTunes last week, but evidently didn't sell in
>that form.
He struggles to sell even *A-sides* in virtual format, so that's not
exactly a surprise.
>
>>>> Top 40 : Ne-Yo #39
>>>
>>>And his album's so late they've got time for another single.
>>>Out on CD or whatever on the 29th of Sept.
>>
>> What's a 'whatever'?
>
>The ideal format for a record as boring as this?
Alas, a big climb indicted on iTunes this week. :(
>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>
>>>>Chicane v Natasha Bedingfield #43,
>>>
>> The video has been getting a respectable amount of TV play. NB doesn't
>> appear in it, alas.
>
>If her voice didn't either, we might be getting somewhere.
What's wrong with it?
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZrz-PCmHk
>
>To save the trouble, would I be right in thinking it's 'I Bruise Easily' and
>'Saltwater' stuck together?
Correct - it works better than *some* mash-ups, though...
>
>>>> Metallica (MA) #51,
>>>
>>>So I guess it is eligible then!
>>
>> If not very successful.
>
>Not really, but this isn't that bad for an album track.
If it *can* technically be described as an album-track sale *before* the
album appears...?
>
>>>> Sonny J #55,
>>>
>>>Out again on CD, 7" & 12" on the 8th of September.
>>
>> I just hope it misses the T40 - worse even the New Edition's 'Candy Girl'!
>> :(
>
>That's a bit of a random comparison!
Why - both have annoying high-pitched kid's voices.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>
>>>Forth (see what they did there) naturally contains the current hit and
>>>nine
>>>further tracks, or eleven on the vinyl version. There's also a CD/DVD
>>>combo
>>>with a documentary and some live tracks.
>>
>> I have no clue how many it sold though - even the mids gave no info.
>
>Well, we have now obviously.
And about 1/3rd less than I thought.
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>Eva Cassidy #4,
>>
>> Also, her most well-known album 'Songbird' climbs to #51
>
>Presumably the next release will be duets with 2Pac or something.
Grin.
>
>
>>>>Game #9,
>>>
>>>Not that he has a lot in common with Slipknot artistically, but his timing
>>>was probably as careful as theirs.
>>
>> I'm mystified why it's done so well - didn't see it on the shelves
>> anywhere, and there's been zilch promo AFAICS.
>
>I have seen it on the shelves, with both covers. Maybe he's only popular in
>London or something?
>
>Oh, and apparently LAX stands for Los Angeles Times.
Only if 'Times' starts with an X in California... :)
>
>>>> Top 20 : Dragonforce #18
>>>
>>>Fourth album from the British hard rockers.
>>
>> Yet I've never heard of them before.
>
>I was pretty vague about them myself.
I doubt we'll still be talking about them next week, though.
>
>>>> New outside the top 20 :
>>>
>>>>Automatic #44,
>>>
>>>Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
>>>clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
>>
>> A polite way of saying it bombed with a capital 'B'! :)
>
>Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
More like 'This is the job centre'. :)
With hindsight, this wasn't too hard to see, given their big hit was
something of a novelty.
>
>>>> Re-entries : Josh Groban #32,
>>>
>>>It must be too much of a coincidence that this re-enters and Buble climbs.
>>
>> No idea why, though.
>
>Some big movie on the telly? Somebody covered them on X-Factor?
Preferably with a plastic bag over the head? :)
>
>>>>Metallica (Met) #70,
>>>
>>>Possibly helped by downloads.
>>
>> Of the *album*?
>
>Why not?
Because it's hardly new.
>
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Could be close this time, given a full week's physical sales for both
>>>> Katy
>>>> Perry & Eric Prydz. I think the latter may just edge it.
>>> Mind you, I don't know what the margin was this week.
>>
>> I have no idea either.
>
>I have seen it now.
And from it, I can more confidently state the EP is unlikely to be #1
next Sunday. Probably KP again, or maybe PCD.
>
>> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out this
>> week (tomorrow on iTunes), but it's had virtually zero publicity, so how
>> it'll do is anyone's guess.
>
>If it's out *tomorrow* that would seem to suggest a US rather than a UK
>release date.
I don't even know what the ensemble are calling themselves, so it's hard
to check.
>
>>>> Top 5 : Pussycat Dolls (if downloadable)
>>>
>>>Good question. It is currently 31 on iTunes.
>>
>> Now #11, so that rate of climb suggests my prediction may be a close one.
>
>Now Number 4!!!
Now #2!
>And I've only heard it once.
Radio may not be that keen on it (just #40 last week), but it's on the
Sky music channels almost literally every 5 minutes...
>
>
>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>
>>>Well, I know the Gym Class Heroes track is out on downloads. But I don't
>>>know if anyone cares.
>>
>> #47 on iT, so it has a chance.
Significantly higher than that, now.
>
>That 'Paddy's Revenge' seems to be doing quite well too.
Hah to the sceptics! Currently #25 on iT
On Buzzjack, I predicted it T10, and with it not out physically until
the 15th...
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>
>>>> Top 10 NE : Chemical Brothers,
>>>
>>>Yes. But is it just me or has there not been much promo?
>>
>> You've *seen* some?
>
>I heard the single on the radio once. It seems all the more bizarre for a
>best-of album, especially a second one.
It's a best-of? That's certainly not clear from the title.
>
>>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>>
>>>Possibly not.
>>
>> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>
>Why theirs?
Because she was *in* HSM?
Chris Brown
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Eric Prydz #2,
>>>>
>>>>Out tomorrow on CDs and 12"
>>>
>>> As is Katy Perry's single, too, don't forget.
>>
>>Unless it came out on Friday. Nobody seems to be too sure about that.
>
> I'm pretty sure now that it didn't appear until yesterday.
Of course, even if it was ostensibly released on the Friday, you couldn't
take as read that all shops would bother.
>>>>>Rihanna #3,
>>>>
>>>>Oh yeah, this is a climber isn't it?
>>>
>>> A very slow one.
>>
>>As the release lists get more crowded, though, it'll struggle to get
>>higher
>>than this.
>
> Especially will the non-existent (or at least very belated) physical
> release.
It hardly seems worth the effort.
>>>>> Biffy Clyro #5
>>>
>>> It seems to be doing fairly well on downloads, which is unusual for
>>> them.
>>
>>Possibly an effect of the album not being around.
>
> But unless their fans were keen on it (for some reason), that wouldn't >
> help a lot.
Well it might - I mean people might find it easier to wait two weeks to get
their hands on a song that six months.
>>>>>Little Jackie #14,
>>>>
>>>>According to the BBC's ChartBlog, the Egg McMuffin predates the Chicken
>>>>Nugget by some eight years. Aren't you glad you know that now?
>>>
>>> WTF does that have to do with this song, though? :)
>>
>>Not that I blame you for losing interest, but she does ask that during the
>>song.
>
> Shows how little attention I've paid to it.
I'm not sure I would have if it hadn't been mentioned.
>>So I'm very satirically addressing that, rather than letting the
>>commentary revolve around her.
>
> I thought they're a group, not a person...
Little Jackie are indeed a duo, but it seems fair to refer to the
protagonist of the song in the singular. After all, it's not called 'The
World Should Revolve Around Us'.
>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>>
>>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>>were released later.
>
> Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
Huh? I'm talking about the singles they were releasing in 1992, long before
anyone could have heard the new track.
>>>>>Paul Weller #28
>>>>
>>Like his previous release, this is billed as a double A-side, but isn't
>>really one because the second 7" format doesn't include 'Push It Along',
>>featuring acoustic versions of 'All I Wanna Do' and 'Pretty Flamingo'.
>>The CD single also includes a vocal version of 'Big Brass Buttons' but
>>unfortunately they're by Bobby Gillespie.
>>One reason I mention those B-sides was that the digital equivalents of the
>>formats were apparently on iTunes last week, but evidently didn't sell in
>>that form.
>
> He struggles to sell even *A-sides* in virtual format, so that's not
> exactly a surprise.
Indeed so, and I'm not touting it as a major revelation. But it is an
interesting data point - presumably part of the reason why his singles tend
not to sell well digitally is because the fans who buy most of them want the
whole package with the B-sides etc - so here they were given an opportunity
to get all that a week before they could get the physical versions and they
haven't really taken it.
>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) :
>>>>> Metallica (MA) #51,
>>>>
>>>>So I guess it is eligible then!
>>>
>>> If not very successful.
>>
>>Not really, but this isn't that bad for an album track.
>
> If it *can* technically be described as an album-track sale *before* the
> album appears...?
In the context of what I was saying, I count it. The point is that it's not
a track promoted as a single, AFAIK.
>>>>> Sonny J #55,
>>>>
>>>>Out again on CD, 7" & 12" on the 8th of September.
>>>
>>> I just hope it misses the T40 - worse even the New Edition's 'Candy
>>> Girl'!
>>> :(
>>
>>That's a bit of a random comparison!
>
> Why - both have annoying high-pitched kid's voices.
I suppose that's true, although 'Candy Girl' does have that thanks to an
actual high-pitched kid (far be it from me to call him annoying, but he did
grow up into Bobby Brown) and is a more conventional song.
A more obvious comparison for this would be something like 'Because Of You'
by Scanty Sandwich.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>Forth (see what they did there) naturally contains the current hit and
>>>>nine
>>>>further tracks, or eleven on the vinyl version. There's also a CD/DVD
>>>>combo
>>>>with a documentary and some live tracks.
>>>
>>> I have no clue how many it sold though - even the mids gave no info.
>>
>>Well, we have now obviously.
>
> And about 1/3rd less than I thought.
Not exactly glorious.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>Game #9,
>>>>
>>>>Not that he has a lot in common with Slipknot artistically, but his
>>>>timing
>>>>was probably as careful as theirs.
>>>
>>> I'm mystified why it's done so well - didn't see it on the shelves
>>> anywhere, and there's been zilch promo AFAICS.
>>
>>I have seen it on the shelves, with both covers. Maybe he's only popular
>>in
>>London or something?
>>
>>Oh, and apparently LAX stands for Los Angeles Times.
>
> Only if 'Times' starts with an X in California... :)
I suppose that's as in a multiplication sign. But it took me about three
days to figure out too, no pun intended.
>>>>> New outside the top 20 :
>>>>
>>>>>Automatic #44,
>>>>
>>>>Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
>>>>clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
>>>
>>> A polite way of saying it bombed with a capital 'B'! :)
>>
>>Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
>
> More like 'This is the job centre'. :)
Er, that doesn't quite work.
> With hindsight, this wasn't too hard to see, given their big hit was
> something of a novelty.
True enough, but it's interesting that the single from this isn't doing so
badly. Presumably people who bought the first album thanks to the single
won't make the same mistake again.
>>>>>Metallica (Met) #70,
>>>>
>>>>Possibly helped by downloads.
>>>
>>> Of the *album*?
>>
>>Why not?
>
> Because it's hardly new.
It's new to downloads though.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Could be close this time, given a full week's physical sales for both
>>>>> Katy
>>>>> Perry & Eric Prydz. I think the latter may just edge it.
>
>>>> Mind you, I don't know what the margin was this week.
>>>
>>> I have no idea either.
>>
>>I have seen it now.
>
> And from it, I can more confidently state the EP is unlikely to be #1 next
> Sunday. Probably KP again, or maybe PCD.
>>
>>> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out
>>> this
>>> week (tomorrow on iTunes), but it's had virtually zero publicity, so how
>>> it'll do is anyone's guess.
>>
>>If it's out *tomorrow* that would seem to suggest a US rather than a UK
>>release date.
>
> I don't even know what the ensemble are calling themselves, so it's hard
> to check.
Shows how well promoted it is, too.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>> Top 10 NE : Chemical Brothers,
>>>>
>>>>Yes. But is it just me or has there not been much promo?
>>>
>>> You've *seen* some?
>>
>>I heard the single on the radio once. It seems all the more bizarre for a
>>best-of album, especially a second one.
>
> It's a best-of? That's certainly not clear from the title.
I suppose they've already done one called The Singles.
>>>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>>>
>>>>Possibly not.
>>>
>>> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>>
>>Why theirs?
>
> Because she was *in* HSM?
Was she? I'm open to correction but it's the first I've heard of it.
She's from Hannah Montana.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>
>>>> As is Katy Perry's single, too, don't forget.
>>>
>>>Unless it came out on Friday. Nobody seems to be too sure about that.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure now that it didn't appear until yesterday.
>
>Of course, even if it was ostensibly released on the Friday, you couldn't
>take as read that all shops would bother.
All shops? ISTM HMV are the *only* ones still selling CD singles
anyway...
>
>
>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>>>
>>>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>>>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>>>were released later.
>>
>> Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>
>Huh? I'm talking about the singles they were releasing in 1992, long before
>anyone could have heard the new track.
I'm talking about teenagers who may well have heard little or nothing
about Metallica before their current material.
>
>>>>>>Paul Weller #28
>>
>> He struggles to sell even *A-sides* in virtual format, so that's not
>> exactly a surprise.
>
>Indeed so, and I'm not touting it as a major revelation. But it is an
>interesting data point - presumably part of the reason why his singles tend
>not to sell well digitally is because the fans who buy most of them want the
>whole package with the B-sides etc - so here they were given an opportunity
>to get all that a week before they could get the physical versions and they
>haven't really taken it.
But it could be another chicken/egg situation - he makes minimal effect
to promo download versions *because* he sells virtually none / his fans
don't bother looking for them because there is no promo...
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>> New outside the top 20 :
>>>>>
>>>>>>Automatic #44,
>>>>>
>>>>>Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
>>>>>clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
>>>>
>>>> A polite way of saying it bombed with a capital 'B'! :)
>>>
>>>Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
>>
>> More like 'This is the job centre'. :)
>
>Er, that doesn't quite work.
Nor will they, at least in the music business after this flop - hence
the job centre comment... :)
>
>
>>>>>>Metallica (Met) #70,
>>>>>
>>>>>Possibly helped by downloads.
>>>>
>>>> Of the *album*?
>>>
>>>Why not?
>>
>> Because it's hardly new.
>
>It's new to downloads though.
But even *new* download albums shift only a small percentage of their
sales virtually, and with rock/metal traditionally being a
physical-dominated format...
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out
>>>> this
>>>> week (tomorrow on iTunes), but it's had virtually zero publicity, so how
>>>> it'll do is anyone's guess.
>>>
>>>If it's out *tomorrow* that would seem to suggest a US rather than a UK
>>>release date.
>>
>> I don't even know what the ensemble are calling themselves, so it's hard
>> to check.
>
>Shows how well promoted it is, too.
It's appeared at #21 on iTunes now, though they've made the credit
hopelessly unwieldy by trying to list all 15 of the artists, rather than
just calling them 'Various'.
For the record : Beyoncé, Mary J. Blige, Rihanna, Fergie, Sheryl Crow,
Melissa Etheridge, Natasha Bedingfield, Miley Cyrus, Leona Lewis, Carrie
Underwood, Keyshia Cole, LeAnn Rimes, Ashanti, Ciara & Mariah Carey
You'd think that, since it is supposed to promote breast cancer
awareness, that Kylie & Anastacia ought to be in there somewhere.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>
>>>>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>>>>
>>>>>Possibly not.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>>>
>>>Why theirs?
>>
>> Because she was *in* HSM?
>
>Was she? I'm open to correction but it's the first I've heard of it.
>She's from Hannah Montana.
IMDB lists her in HSM2.
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 at 23:56:24, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As is Katy Perry's single, too, don't forget.
>>>>
>>>>Unless it came out on Friday. Nobody seems to be too sure about that.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure now that it didn't appear until yesterday.
>>
>>Of course, even if it was ostensibly released on the Friday, you couldn't
>>take as read that all shops would bother.
>
> All shops? ISTM HMV are the *only* ones still selling CD singles anyway...
"All shops" as in "All shops that would be selling it at all"... Do Zavvi
still sell them? Obviously shops like Rough Trade do, but I can't imagine
them doing a roaring trade in Katy Perry.
>>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>>>>
>>>>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>>>>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>>>>were released later.
>>>
>>> Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>>
>>Huh? I'm talking about the singles they were releasing in 1992, long
>>before
>>anyone could have heard the new track.
>
> I'm talking about teenagers who may well have heard little or nothing
> about Metallica before their current material.
Yes, but if they're teenagers now, they'd barely have been born in 1991-2.
>>>>>>>Paul Weller #28
>>>
>>> He struggles to sell even *A-sides* in virtual format, so that's not
>>> exactly a surprise.
>>
>>Indeed so, and I'm not touting it as a major revelation. But it is an
>>interesting data point - presumably part of the reason why his singles
>>tend
>>not to sell well digitally is because the fans who buy most of them want
>>the
>>whole package with the B-sides etc - so here they were given an
>>opportunity
>>to get all that a week before they could get the physical versions and
>>they
>>haven't really taken it.
>
> But it could be another chicken/egg situation - he makes minimal effect to
> promo download versions *because* he sells virtually none / his fans don't
> bother looking for them because there is no promo...
I don't think he/the record company particularly refused to promote the
download; they sent out e-mails telling people it was available and
everything. Maybe the B-sides weren't interesting enough to provoke a rush?
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>> New outside the top 20 :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Automatic #44,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even as the single holds up better than might be expected, people are
>>>>>>clearly not confident enough to invests in the full LP.
>>>>>
>>>>> A polite way of saying it bombed with a capital 'B'! :)
>>>>
>>>>Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
>>>
>>> More like 'This is the job centre'. :)
>>
>>Er, that doesn't quite work.
>
> Nor will they, at least in the music business after this flop - hence the
> job centre comment... :)
But why would they be telling people where it is?
>>>>>>>Metallica (Met) #70,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Possibly helped by downloads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the *album*?
>>>>
>>>>Why not?
>>>
>>> Because it's hardly new.
>>
>>It's new to downloads though.
>
> But even *new* download albums shift only a small percentage of their
> sales virtually, and with rock/metal traditionally being a
> physical-dominated format...
Right, but I did say "helped".
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out
>>>>> this
>>>>> week (tomorrow on iTunes), but it's had virtually zero publicity, so
>>>>> how
>>>>> it'll do is anyone's guess.
>>>>
>>>>If it's out *tomorrow* that would seem to suggest a US rather than a UK
>>>>release date.
>>>
>>> I don't even know what the ensemble are calling themselves, so it's hard
>>> to check.
>>
>>Shows how well promoted it is, too.
>
> It's appeared at #21 on iTunes now, though they've made the credit
> hopelessly unwieldy by trying to list all 15 of the artists, rather than
> just calling them 'Various'.
>
> For the record : Beyoncé, Mary J. Blige, Rihanna, Fergie, Sheryl Crow,
> Melissa Etheridge, Natasha Bedingfield, Miley Cyrus, Leona Lewis, Carrie
> Underwood, Keyshia Cole, LeAnn Rimes, Ashanti, Ciara & Mariah Carey
>
> You'd think that, since it is supposed to promote breast cancer awareness,
> that Kylie & Anastacia ought to be in there somewhere.
Maybe they're aware enough already?
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Possibly not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>>>>
>>>>Why theirs?
>>>
>>> Because she was *in* HSM?
>>
>>Was she? I'm open to correction but it's the first I've heard of it.
>>She's from Hannah Montana.
>
> IMDB lists her in HSM2.
I did say I was open to correction. But anyway it's not what she's
best-known for, which must be the point.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>Of course, even if it was ostensibly released on the Friday, you couldn't
>>>take as read that all shops would bother.
>>
>> All shops? ISTM HMV are the *only* ones still selling CD singles anyway...
>
>"All shops" as in "All shops that would be selling it at all"... Do Zavvi
>still sell them?
I have no idea, the local Virgin shop closed just before the name
changed.
>Obviously shops like Rough Trade do, but I can't imagine
>them doing a roaring trade in Katy Perry.
HMV are definitely the *only* shop in Cheltenham still selling CD
singles, though.
>
>>>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>
>> I'm talking about teenagers who may well have heard little or nothing
>> about Metallica before their current material.
>
>Yes, but if they're teenagers now, they'd barely have been born in 1991-2.
Which is precisely why they'll be buying their back-catalogue now,
whereas established Metallica fans will already own those tracks.
>
>>>>>>>>Paul Weller
>>
>> But it could be another chicken/egg situation - he makes minimal effect to
>> promo download versions *because* he sells virtually none / his fans don't
>> bother looking for them because there is no promo...
>
>I don't think he/the record company particularly refused to promote the
>download; they sent out e-mails telling people it was available and
>everything. Maybe the B-sides weren't interesting enough to provoke a rush?
Perhaps, but the fact remains that any artist dependant on physical
sales nowadays, will be at ever more of a disadvantage, especially
if/when HMV, as the last high street outlet, stops selling physical
singles (except perhaps on special order).
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>Automatic #44,
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> More like 'This is the job centre'. :)
>>>
>>>Er, that doesn't quite work.
>>
>> Nor will they, at least in the music business after this flop - hence the
>> job centre comment... :)
>
>But why would they be telling people where it is?
I meant - their record company would be telling them that. :)
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up' out
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> week
>>
>> It's appeared at #21 on iTunes now, though they've made the credit
>> hopelessly unwieldy by trying to list all 15 of the artists, rather than
>> just calling them 'Various'.
>>
>> You'd think that, since it is supposed to promote breast cancer awareness,
>> that Kylie & Anastacia ought to be in there somewhere.
>
>Maybe they're aware enough already?
But they'll have far more incentive to promote awareness than an artist
that hasn't suffered it...
The song made only a modest climb to #16 in the last 24 hours, so it
seems unlikely to challenge for a top 3 spot in the near future.
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>>>>>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Possibly not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why theirs?
>>>>
>>>> Because she was *in* HSM?
>>>
>>>Was she? I'm open to correction but it's the first I've heard of it.
>>>She's from Hannah Montana.
>>
>> IMDB lists her in HSM2.
>
>I did say I was open to correction. But anyway it's not what she's
>best-known for, which must be the point.
True, but ISTM that the HSM movies & Hanna Montana are surely aimed at
exactly the same people, so there's bound to be a big cross-over.
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 at 22:18:27, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>Of course, even if it was ostensibly released on the Friday, you
>>>>couldn't
>>>>take as read that all shops would bother.
>>>
>>> All shops? ISTM HMV are the *only* ones still selling CD singles
>>> anyway...
>>
>>"All shops" as in "All shops that would be selling it at all"... Do Zavvi
>>still sell them?
>
> I have no idea, the local Virgin shop closed just before the name changed.
Ours is long-gone, but for the record (er, no pun intended!) last time I
looked the big one on Oxford Street was still selling them. The only other
one I've been in since was a really small one near Liverpool Street station
which probably wouldn't have anyway.
Zavvi.co.uk still sells CD singles, although with a starting price of £4 I
can't imagine they shift many of them.
BTW, you've probably noticed that the old Virgin Radio is now to be called
Absolute. Which obviously isn't the worst it could have been.
>>Obviously shops like Rough Trade do, but I can't imagine
>>them doing a roaring trade in Katy Perry.
>
> HMV are definitely the *only* shop in Cheltenham still selling CD singles,
> though.
This week, at least, although you presumably have at least one Woolworths.
>>>>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>
>>> I'm talking about teenagers who may well have heard little or nothing
>>> about Metallica before their current material.
>>
>>Yes, but if they're teenagers now, they'd barely have been born in 1991-2.
>
> Which is precisely why they'll be buying their back-catalogue now, whereas
> established Metallica fans will already own those tracks.
Yes, but that couldn't possibly have influenced their chart performance in
the early 1990s when most people didn't know what the Internet even was.
Should I draw you a diagram?
>>>>>>>>>Paul Weller
>>>
>>> But it could be another chicken/egg situation - he makes minimal effect
>>> to
>>> promo download versions *because* he sells virtually none / his fans
>>> don't
>>> bother looking for them because there is no promo...
>>
>>I don't think he/the record company particularly refused to promote the
>>download; they sent out e-mails telling people it was available and
>>everything. Maybe the B-sides weren't interesting enough to provoke a
>>rush?
>
> Perhaps, but the fact remains that any artist dependant on physical sales
> nowadays, will be at ever more of a disadvantage, especially if/when HMV,
> as the last high street outlet, stops selling physical singles (except
> perhaps on special order).
By the looks of it, that's already the case, although naturally as buying
them on the highstreet becomes more difficult, some customers will be driven
to downloads or to online sources of the physical product.
I suspect also that perceptions are changing.
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>Automatic #44,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you think they'll be crying "This Is A Fix"? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> More like 'This is the job centre'. :)
>>>>
>>>>Er, that doesn't quite work.
>>>
>>> Nor will they, at least in the music business after this flop - hence
>>> the
>>> job centre comment... :)
>>
>>But why would they be telling people where it is?
>
> I meant - their record company would be telling them that. :)
Surely they'll want to try and recoup a little bit more of the loss first?
Mind you, their new guitarist used to be in yourbandnameis:rubbish, so he
may be at risk of being dropped three times in as many releases.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's also a multi-female-artist charity single 'Just Stand Up'
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> week
>>>
>>> It's appeared at #21 on iTunes now, though they've made the credit
>>> hopelessly unwieldy by trying to list all 15 of the artists, rather than
>>> just calling them 'Various'.
>>>
>>> You'd think that, since it is supposed to promote breast cancer
>>> awareness,
>>> that Kylie & Anastacia ought to be in there somewhere.
>>
>>Maybe they're aware enough already?
>
> But they'll have far more incentive to promote awareness than an artist
> that hasn't suffered it...
Although it might be argued that they've already done a lot more for
awareness than another here-today-gone-tomorrow celeb-fest.
Or perhaps they were too busy? Or not famous enough in America to be asked?
Possibly they think the whole exercise a bit pointless.
> The song made only a modest climb to #16 in the last 24 hours, so it seems
> unlikely to challenge for a top 3 spot in the near future.
At the moment it doesn't even look to be challenging for a Top 30 slot.
Is it even eligible, I wonder?
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Miley Cyrus,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Possibly not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody's guess whether HSM fans will cross over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why theirs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because she was *in* HSM?
>>>>
>>>>Was she? I'm open to correction but it's the first I've heard of it.
>>>>She's from Hannah Montana.
>>>
>>> IMDB lists her in HSM2.
>>
>>I did say I was open to correction. But anyway it's not what she's
>>best-known for, which must be the point.
>
> True, but ISTM that the HSM movies & Hanna Montana are surely aimed at
> exactly the same people, so there's bound to be a big cross-over.
And of course that's why she was in it.
In which case, the question is really whether the HM fans cross over to
this.
CHris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> I have no idea, the local Virgin shop closed just before the name changed.
>
>Ours is long-gone, but for the record (er, no pun intended!) last time I
>looked the big one on Oxford Street was still selling them.
>
>Absolute. Which obviously isn't the worst it could have been.
I heard they were changing name, but not what to.
>>
>> HMV are definitely the *only* shop in Cheltenham still selling CD singles,
>> though.
>
>This week, at least, although you presumably have at least one Woolworths.
Yes, though their selection was pathetic well before they finally canned
them.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>
>>>Yes, but if they're teenagers now, they'd barely have been born in 1991-2.
>>
>> Which is precisely why they'll be buying their back-catalogue now, whereas
>> established Metallica fans will already own those tracks.
>
>Yes, but that couldn't possibly have influenced their chart performance in
>the early 1990s when most people didn't know what the Internet even was.
I never made such a claim to start with.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>> You'd think that, since it is supposed to promote breast cancer
>>>> awareness,
>>>> that Kylie & Anastacia ought to be in there somewhere.
>>>
>>>Maybe they're aware enough already?
>>
>> But they'll have far more incentive to promote awareness than an artist
>> that hasn't suffered it...
>
>Although it might be argued that they've already done a lot more for
>awareness than another here-today-gone-tomorrow celeb-fest.
>Or perhaps they were too busy? Or not famous enough in America to be asked?
I think Kylie is fairly well known - 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' was
a big hit there.
I've never been able to figure out why Anastacia hasn't been able to
sell records at home, though, given how well she sells in Europe.
>
>> The song made only a modest climb to #16 in the last 24 hours, so it seems
>> unlikely to challenge for a top 3 spot in the near future.
>
>At the moment it doesn't even look to be challenging for a Top 30 slot.
Maybe not even T40! :)
It should make it next Sunday though, given a full week's sales.
>Is it even eligible, I wonder?
I can't imagine why it wouldn't be?
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 at 14:57:00, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>> I have no idea, the local Virgin shop closed just before the name
>>> changed.
>>
>>Ours is long-gone, but for the record (er, no pun intended!) last time I
>>looked the big one on Oxford Street was still selling them.
>>
>>BTW, you've probably noticed that the old Virgin Radio is now to be called
>>Absolute. Which obviously isn't the worst it could have been.
>
> I heard they were changing name, but not what to.
There was some big effort to build suspense. But the end result was a bit
underwhelming.
>>> HMV are definitely the *only* shop in Cheltenham still selling CD
>>> singles,
>>> though.
>>
>>This week, at least, although you presumably have at least one Woolworths.
>
> Yes, though their selection was pathetic well before they finally canned
> them.
Agreed, but aren't they all selling the Cliff single next week?
>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica (TDTNC) #19
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but if they're teenagers now, they'd barely have been born in
>>>>1991-2.
>>>
>>> Which is precisely why they'll be buying their back-catalogue now,
>>> whereas
>>> established Metallica fans will already own those tracks.
>>
>>Yes, but that couldn't possibly have influenced their chart performance in
>>the early 1990s when most people didn't know what the Internet even was.
>
> I never made such a claim to start with.
Huh-uh.
I said:
>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>were released later.
and you replied:
>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd think that, since it is supposed to promote breast cancer
>>>>> awareness,
>>>>> that Kylie & Anastacia ought to be in there somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe they're aware enough already?
>>>
>>> But they'll have far more incentive to promote awareness than an artist
>>> that hasn't suffered it...
>>
>>Although it might be argued that they've already done a lot more for
>>awareness than another here-today-gone-tomorrow celeb-fest.
>>Or perhaps they were too busy? Or not famous enough in America to be
>>asked?
>
> I think Kylie is fairly well known - 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' was a
> big hit there.
Yes *A* big hit, six years ago. That doesn't make her level of celebrity
there that she is here. I don't mean that as any criticism of her, but
perhaps she just doesn't play to whatever demographic they were aiming at
here?
> I've never been able to figure out why Anastacia hasn't been able to sell
> records at home, though, given how well she sells in Europe.
I probably shouldn't say that I don't get why she sells them anywhere,
should I?
Apparently I heard her new single a couple of weeks ago.
>>> The song made only a modest climb to #16 in the last 24 hours, so it
>>> seems
>>> unlikely to challenge for a top 3 spot in the near future.
>>
>>At the moment it doesn't even look to be challenging for a Top 30 slot.
>
> Maybe not even T40! :)
Unfortunately, we only got Top 39 mids.
> It should make it next Sunday though, given a full week's sales.
>
>>Is it even eligible, I wonder?
>
> I can't imagine why it wouldn't be?
To evade the humiliation of it only getting to Number 32?
It would seem an odd way to raise awareness. But I suppose it's congruent
with the non-promotion of this single.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>BTW, you've probably noticed that the old Virgin Radio is now to be called
>>>Absolute. Which obviously isn't the worst it could have been.
>>
>> I heard they were changing name, but not what to.
>
>There was some big effort to build suspense. But the end result was a bit
>underwhelming.
Just like Virgin Megastores changing to Zavvi - sounds too similar to
chavvy for my liking... :)
>>>
>>>This week, at least, although you presumably have at least one Woolworths.
>>
>> Yes, though their selection was pathetic well before they finally canned
>> them.
>
>Agreed, but aren't they all selling the Cliff single next week?
But that's hardly a point in their favour... :)
In any case, that song will do well to even go T20 - radio won't touch
Cliff with a barge-pole nowadays.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
>>>>>
>
>>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>>were released later.
>
>and you replied:
>
>>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
And the aforementioned new fans could not have influenced the songs
original chart performance - as I said.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>> I think Kylie is fairly well known - 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' was a
>> big hit there.
>
>Yes *A* big hit, six years ago. That doesn't make her level of celebrity
>there that she is here. I don't mean that as any criticism of her, but
>perhaps she just doesn't play to whatever demographic they were aiming at
>here?
Surely the whole point of a charity single is to appeal to as many
people as possible - and in any case, several of the US names are as
little known here, as Kylie, & especially Anastacia in America.
>
>> I've never been able to figure out why Anastacia hasn't been able to sell
>> records at home, though, given how well she sells in Europe.
>
>I probably shouldn't say that I don't get why she sells them anywhere,
>should I?
Because you're not a power-ballad fan?
>Apparently I heard her new single a couple of weeks ago.
So did I - not one of her strongest songs.
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 at 20:35:37, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>BTW, you've probably noticed that the old Virgin Radio is now to be
>>>>called
>>>>Absolute. Which obviously isn't the worst it could have been.
>>>
>>> I heard they were changing name, but not what to.
>>
>>There was some big effort to build suspense. But the end result was a bit
>>underwhelming.
>
> Just like Virgin Megastores changing to Zavvi - sounds too similar to
> chavvy for my liking... :)
I presume it's meant to sound like "Savvy", but it is an awful name for any
number of reasons. Pretty much its only saving grace is that it's not a real
word so they probably didn't have to pay much for the web domain.
The radio station name isn't anywhere near as bad (especially since
spellability is more important for a radio station) but it's a bit
underwhelming after all the suspense. Still, credit where it's due: they've
sacked JK & Joel.
>>>>This week, at least, although you presumably have at least one
>>>>Woolworths.
>>>
>>> Yes, though their selection was pathetic well before they finally canned
>>> them.
>>
>>Agreed, but aren't they all selling the Cliff single next week?
>
> But that's hardly a point in their favour... :)
Note I'm not disagreeing...
> In any case, that song will do well to even go T20 - radio won't touch
> Cliff with a barge-pole nowadays.
This is true - but I don't remember '20th Century Christmas' or 'Something
Is Going On' being massive airplay hits either. And are you sure that
hearing this on the radio would *encourage* people to buy it? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
>>>>>>
>>
>>>BTW, I was actually quite surprised to see how many of their records had
>>>climbed during their chart runs. I suspect this means that extra formats
>>>were released later.
>>
>>and you replied:
>>
>>>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>
> And the aforementioned new fans could not have influenced the songs
> original chart performance - as I said.
So why mention them in the first place then???????????????????????????
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>> I think Kylie is fairly well known - 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' was
>>> a
>>> big hit there.
>>
>>Yes *A* big hit, six years ago. That doesn't make her level of celebrity
>>there that she is here. I don't mean that as any criticism of her, but
>>perhaps she just doesn't play to whatever demographic they were aiming at
>>here?
>
> Surely the whole point of a charity single is to appeal to as many people
> as possible - and in any case, several of the US names are as little known
> here, as Kylie, & especially Anastacia in America.
I guess so in theory - but in practice there must be other considerations.
By all impressions I get here this single hasn't been made with the UK
market in mind.
>>> I've never been able to figure out why Anastacia hasn't been able to
>>> sell
>>> records at home, though, given how well she sells in Europe.
>>
>>I probably shouldn't say that I don't get why she sells them anywhere,
>>should I?
>
> Because you're not a power-ballad fan?
I'm not, but I don't like her fast ones either...
>>Apparently I heard her new single a couple of weeks ago.
>
> So did I - not one of her strongest songs.
I think the fact that I remembered hearing the DJ announce it, but nothing
about the music itself, sums it up. At least I could say something about the
new Snow Patrol and Boyzone cuts if I had to.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> Just like Virgin Megastores changing to Zavvi - sounds too similar to
>> chavvy for my liking... :)
>
>I presume it's meant to sound like "Savvy", but it is an awful name for any
>number of reasons.
Agreed.
>
>>>>>This week, at least, although you presumably have at least one
>>>>>Woolworths.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, though their selection was pathetic well before they finally canned
>>>> them.
>>>
>>>Agreed, but aren't they all selling the Cliff single next week?
>>
>> But that's hardly a point in their favour... :)
>
>Note I'm not disagreeing...
Grin.
>
>> In any case, that song will do well to even go T20 - radio won't touch
>> Cliff with a barge-pole nowadays.
>
>This is true - but I don't remember '20th Century Christmas' or 'Something
>Is Going On' being massive airplay hits either. And are you sure that
>hearing this on the radio would *encourage* people to buy it? ;-)
If anyone heard a Cliff song actually being played on the radio, they'd
probably drop dead in shock. :)
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
>>>
>>>>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>>
>> And the aforementioned new fans could not have influenced the songs
>> original chart performance - as I said.
>
>So why mention them in the first place then???????????????????????????
If you remember, I suggested it was those new fans who were downloading
their back-catalogue from iTunes.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>> Surely the whole point of a charity single is to appeal to as many people
>> as possible - and in any case, several of the US names are as little known
>> here, as Kylie, & especially Anastacia in America.
>
>I guess so in theory - but in practice there must be other considerations.
>By all impressions I get here this single hasn't been made with the UK
>market in mind.
Because women here don't get breast cancer??
>
>I think the fact that I remembered hearing the DJ announce it, but nothing
>about the music itself, sums it up. At least I could say something about the
>new Snow Patrol and Boyzone cuts if I had to.
I haven't heard either, not that I'd by trying to, in the latter case.
Chris Brown
>>> In any case, that song will do well to even go T20 - radio won't touch
>>> Cliff with a barge-pole nowadays.
>>
>>This is true - but I don't remember '20th Century Christmas' or 'Something
>>Is Going On' being massive airplay hits either. And are you sure that
>>hearing this on the radio would *encourage* people to buy it? ;-)
>
> If anyone heard a Cliff song actually being played on the radio, they'd
> probably drop dead in shock. :)
A new one, I presume you mean?
I have heard some of this, because R1 played a bit of it for a joke, and R2
are sort of obliged to give it a spin when he appears as a guest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
>>>>
>>>>>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>>>
>>> And the aforementioned new fans could not have influenced the songs
>>> original chart performance - as I said.
>>
>>So why mention them in the first place then???????????????????????????
>
> If you remember, I suggested it was those new fans who were downloading
> their back-catalogue from iTunes.
Well, I gathered that much but I don't understand how it's relevant to their
chart performance before that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>> Surely the whole point of a charity single is to appeal to as many
>>> people
>>> as possible - and in any case, several of the US names are as little
>>> known
>>> here, as Kylie, & especially Anastacia in America.
>>
>>I guess so in theory - but in practice there must be other considerations.
>>By all impressions I get here this single hasn't been made with the UK
>>market in mind.
>
> Because women here don't get breast cancer??
A very very cynical person might have a response to that suggestion. But
obviously there aren't a lot of people from Africa or Asia on the record
either.
>>I think the fact that I remembered hearing the DJ announce it, but nothing
>>about the music itself, sums it up. At least I could say something about
>>the
>>new Snow Patrol and Boyzone cuts if I had to.
>
> I haven't heard either, not that I'd by trying to, in the latter case.
It sounds a bit like the theme tune to Jim'll Fix It. So now you don't need
to.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>This is true - but I don't remember '20th Century Christmas' or 'Something
>>>Is Going On' being massive airplay hits either. And are you sure that
>>>hearing this on the radio would *encourage* people to buy it? ;-)
>>
>> If anyone heard a Cliff song actually being played on the radio, they'd
>> probably drop dead in shock. :)
>
>A new one, I presume you mean?
AFAICS *any* Cliff song would work. :)
>
>I have heard some of this, because R1 played a bit of it for a joke, and R2
>are sort of obliged to give it a spin when he appears as a guest.
Well he's not done too badly for someone who's barely released a decent
single since the 60's...
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
>>>>>
>>>>>>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>>>>
>>>> And the aforementioned new fans could not have influenced the songs
>>>> original chart performance - as I said.
>>>
>>>So why mention them in the first place then???????????????????????????
>>
>> If you remember, I suggested it was those new fans who were downloading
>> their back-catalogue from iTunes.
>
>Well, I gathered that much but I don't understand how it's relevant to their
>chart performance before that.
It isn't, which I why I didn't claim that, despite what you may have
thought.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>I think the fact that I remembered hearing the DJ announce it, but nothing
>>>about the music itself, sums it up. At least I could say something about
>>>the
>>>new Snow Patrol and Boyzone cuts if I had to.
>>
>> I haven't heard either, not that I'd by trying to, in the latter case.
>
>It sounds a bit like the theme tune to Jim'll Fix It. So now you don't need
>to.
I doubt even Jim could fix it to be a success, though. :)
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 at 22:05:28, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>This is true - but I don't remember '20th Century Christmas' or
>>>>'Something
>>>>Is Going On' being massive airplay hits either. And are you sure that
>>>>hearing this on the radio would *encourage* people to buy it? ;-)
>>>
>>> If anyone heard a Cliff song actually being played on the radio, they'd
>>> probably drop dead in shock. :)
>>
>>A new one, I presume you mean?
>
> AFAICS *any* Cliff song would work. :)
You still get the odd spin of the "classics" (not really on Radio 1 or Kiss,
but on stations that are aimed at an older audience than those). After all,
there'd have been no point in The Wombats doing a parody of the 'Wired For
Sound' video if nobody had seen it, would there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Or, new fans attracted by TDTNC checked out their back-catalogue?
>>>>>
>>>>> And the aforementioned new fans could not have influenced the songs
>>>>> original chart performance - as I said.
>>>>
>>>>So why mention them in the first place then???????????????????????????
>>>
>>> If you remember, I suggested it was those new fans who were downloading
>>> their back-catalogue from iTunes.
>>
>>Well, I gathered that much but I don't understand how it's relevant to
>>their
>>chart performance before that.
>
> It isn't, which I why I didn't claim that, despite what you may have
> thought.
Oh admit it!
What can "or new fans attracted by..." *possibly* mean as a response to my
saying that the old songs had climbed due to extra formats other than that
being an alternative explanation for the same thing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>I think the fact that I remembered hearing the DJ announce it, but
>>>>nothing
>>>>about the music itself, sums it up. At least I could say something about
>>>>the
>>>>new Snow Patrol and Boyzone cuts if I had to.
>>>
>>> I haven't heard either, not that I'd by trying to, in the latter case.
>>
>>It sounds a bit like the theme tune to Jim'll Fix It. So now you don't
>>need
>>to.
>
> I doubt even Jim could fix it to be a success, though. :)
There doesn't seem to be an album lined up immediately afterwards, so
perhaps the label are hedging their bets.
Other new singles I've heard recently: Dido (the real one this time),
Razorlight, Kaiser Chiefs, Snow Patrol, Leon Jackson. And Bloc Party have
sent me their new one, but I haven't got round to playing it yet.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> AFAICS *any* Cliff song would work. :)
>
>You still get the odd spin of the "classics" (not really on Radio 1 or Kiss,
>but on stations that are aimed at an older audience than those). After all,
>there'd have been no point in The Wombats doing a parody of the 'Wired For
>Sound' video
That would be a parody of a joke...
>if nobody had seen it, would there?
I dare say a majority of R1 listeners weren't even born when that video
came out!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>
>Other new singles I've heard recently: Dido (the real one this time)
Didn't make a strong first impression, even on me.
>,
>Razorlight, Kaiser Chiefs, Snow Patrol,
Don't think I've heard any of those yet.
>Leon Jackson
If it follows the normal X-F pattern, he'll scrape T40 with this, then
vanish without trace. :)
>. And Bloc Party have
>sent me their new one
Personally? :)
>, but I haven't got round to playing it yet.
Obviously their last one didn't generate a great deal of enthusiasm for
the follow-up, then...
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 at 22:31:57, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>> AFAICS *any* Cliff song would work. :)
>>
>>You still get the odd spin of the "classics" (not really on Radio 1 or
>>Kiss,
>>but on stations that are aimed at an older audience than those). After
>>all,
>>there'd have been no point in The Wombats doing a parody of the 'Wired For
>>Sound' video
>
> That would be a parody of a joke...
Even now, I'm not entirely sure whether the 'Wired For Sound' video was
*supposed* to be funny or not. It was filmed in Milton Keynes.
>>if nobody had seen it, would there?
>
> I dare say a majority of R1 listeners weren't even born when that video
> came out!
If they're playing to the targetted demographic, then that's completely
true. But then not many Radio 3 listeners were born when Beethoven wrote his
Fifth Symphony, and that doesn't mean they won't recognise it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>Other new singles I've heard recently: Dido (the real one this time)
>
> Didn't make a strong first impression, even on me.
Took me a couple of days even to remember that I'd heard it.
>>Razorlight, Kaiser Chiefs, Snow Patrol,
>
> Don't think I've heard any of those yet.
None of them is likely to surprise you much though.
>>Leon Jackson
>
> If it follows the normal X-F pattern, he'll scrape T40 with this, then
> vanish without trace. :)
Er, isn't this only his second single?
Tell you what though - in all the years I've been listening to him, the only
time I've ever heard Ken Bruce take a day off sick was the day of the Leon
Jackson premiere. Coincidence?
>>. And Bloc Party have
>>sent me their new one
>
> Personally? :)
As if. In fact, the e-mails they sent announcing it went into my spam
folder. Note to record companies - sending out two HTML messages within
minutes that have "SINGLE" and "TOMORROW NIGHT" in the header is a good way
to avoid people getting to read them.
>>, but I haven't got round to playing it yet.
>
> Obviously their last one didn't generate a great deal of enthusiasm for
> the follow-up, then...
I was out that night, OK?
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> I dare say a majority of R1 listeners weren't even born when that video
>> came out!
>
>If they're playing to the targetted demographic, then that's completely
>true. But then not many Radio 3 listeners were born when Beethoven wrote his
>Fifth Symphony, and that doesn't mean they won't recognise it.
But he isn't still (trying to) write new material...
>
>
>>>Leon Jackson
>>
>> If it follows the normal X-F pattern, he'll scrape T40 with this, then
>> vanish without trace. :)
>
>Er, isn't this only his second single?
Exactly - and *relative* to other X-F singles, his first bombed...