Chart Commentary 29/3/08
Paul Hyett
-------
Seemingly from nowhere, Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy' re-enters
the chart at #1 (having charted two weeks ago at #72, then mysteriously
vanished), ending Duffy's five week run at the top.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Flo Rida #6, Madonna #7, Utah Saints #8, Girls Aloud #9
Top 20 : Guillemots #20
Top 30 : Sam Sparro #23, Natasha Bedingfield #27
Top 40 : Gnarls Barkley #32, Gabriella Cilmi #38
Re-entries T40 : Scouting For Girls #40
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Enemy #41, MSP #47,
Scouting For Girls #64, James Blunt #65, Supergrass #73, Will.I.Am #74
Re-entries : Yael Naim #54, Hoosiers (GMA) #63, Booty Luv (SKR) #71
Albums
------
Duffy holds on for a 3rd week at #1.
A busy week for NE's :
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Muse #2, Elbow #5, Bryan Adams #6, Mike Oldfield #9, Van
Morrison #10
Top 20 : We Are Scientists #11, Taio Cruz #17
New outside the top 20 : Neon Neon #67
Re-entries : Eagles (CGH) #26, Michael Buble (IT) #60
Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Estelle's single looks likely to remain #1, as it has its physical
release this week.
Top 5 : Madonna, Flo Rida
Top 10 :
Top 20 : Chris Brown, Sam Sparro, Natasha B
Top 30 : Gnarls Barkley, Cascada, James Blunt
Top 40 : Snoop Dogg
Any other possibilities?
On downloads : Akon, Kooks, Mariah Carey. There are one or two others,
but I don't know if they'll be out on download this coming week.
Albums
------
Panic At The Disco look the best prospect for a change at the top, in a
week without big name releases.
Top 10 NE : Foals, Guillemots, Raconteurs
Top 20 NE : Joy Division, Mystery jets, Supergrass, Gnarls Barkley
Others : B52's, Counting Crows, Mike Batt
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> Singles
> -------
> Seemingly from nowhere, Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy' re-enters
> the chart at #1 (having charted two weeks ago at #72, then mysteriously
> vanished), ending Duffy's five week run at the top.
Obviously it didn't get a full week of sales back then, and was presumably
taken offline in order to allow precisely this eventuality.
Of course, Duffy's single also initially topped the chart as a download, so
perhaps this marks the point where we can stop thinking of that as
remarkable.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Flo Rida #6,
Making it seem likelier that this will penetrate the Top 5, if nothing else.
> Madonna #7,
On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
>Utah Saints #8,
Despite the lyric, it transpires that not a lot has happened, with a mere
one-place climb on physical release.
Not that there's anything wrong with a Top 10 single, but it looks a wee bit
anti-climactic considering where it was a few weeks ago. Perhaps the time
has come to admit that this mix doesn't actually do a lot for me.
> Girls Aloud #9
Now on CD and just about keeping their run of Top 10 physicals intact. Those
CDs also include the much-ballyhooed track 'Hoxton Heroes' and the French
translation 'Je Ne Parle Pas Francais', which much as I'd love to think
otherwise, was probably not inspired by The Wedding Present.
> Top 20 : Guillemots #20
It was too late for this week's chart position, but I've realised I love
this record.
Anyway, enough about me. This is of course the first Top 20 single for the
multinational quartet, and must be considered a good omen for their imminent
album. One of the four B-sides spread over various formats originally
featured lyrics written by a competition winner, but they appear to have
been replaced.
> Top 30 : Sam Sparro #23,
Out on CD, 7" & 12" on the 7th of April.
Is it just me who was amused to see consecutive new entries from acts called
Sam Sparro and Guillemots?
OK suit yourselves.
>Natasha Bedingfield #27
In which Sean Kingston advises us to stick a finger in one ear. Why just the
one?
Also out on CD on the 7th.
> Top 40 : Gnarls Barkley #32,
Not actually a re-entry to the Top 40, but I guess it's sort of apposite to
be reminded of the first act to top the chart on downloads.
Not on on CD on the 7th of April, or at any other time.
>Gabriella Cilmi #38
Whoever said there was anything sweet about her? That's what I mean about
this being an odd choice of debut single.
As if there wasn't reason enough not to buy it, the CD single also features
her version of 'Echo Beach' which is apparently the theme to the ITV show.
> Re-entries T40 : Scouting For Girls #40
This one being 'Elvis Ain't Dead', up from last week's 44.
The consensus explanation for this and the various other rebounds is that
people have been cherry-picking tracks from Now 69, although the slight hole
in that theory is that the rebounds include 'Chasing Pavements', one of the
handful of tracks not available individually from the digital version of the
compilation.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : >Enemy #41,
With 'This Song Is About You'. By a strange coincidence, I've written a song
about The Enemy; it's called 'Haven't You Released Enough Singles From This
Album Already, You Greedy Trolls?'
>MSP #47,
Wasn't expecting this to climb. But it still has further to go to escape
being their least successful new single since 1991 (I know I said 1990 in
another thread but I'd miscounted!).
> Scouting For Girls #64,
This one is 'Heartbeat', out on CD on - oh yes - the 7th.
>James Blunt #65,
Out on CDs & 7" tomorrow.
> Supergrass #73,
It's hard not to feel sorry for Supergrass -at a time when you seemingly
can't move for old bands reforming, they've worked consistently for fifteen
years or so and seem to be in something of a media blackout.
Those determined enough to seek out the CD single will have found an
alternative version under their pseudonym Diamond Hoo Ha Men and there's
also a brown vinyl 7" but it's not done them a lot of good - I don't think
they've ever charted lower with a single available on compact disc.
> Will.I.Am #74
Apparently one of Girls Aloud is in the video.
> Albums
> ------
> Duffy holds on for a 3rd week at #1.
I was in one of the legendary Rough Trade indie shops the other day, and was
slightly surprised to see many copies of this and the Adele records: indeed
they even had the first Adele single, but under a one-per-customer policy.
> A busy week for NE's :
>
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Muse #2,
Their second success with live material, after 2002's Hullabaloo (Number 10,
although that also featured some B-sides). Of course they've become a bigger
deal since then, with two chart-topping studio sets.
HAARP recalls their successful Wembley shows last year via a 14-track CD and
20-track DVD, incorporating the version of 'Map Of The Problematique' that
went Top 20 last year.
> Elbow #5,
Their first ever Top 5 album, and only their second Top 10. And there's even
more good news for them as 'Grounds For Divorce' becomes their first single
ever to notch up a second Top 40 week.
This fourth set includes that single and a duet with Richard Hawley (which I
downloaded - eat that Garvey!) and for an extra few quid you get some
supposedly special artwork.
> Bryan Adams #6,
His eleventh studio album is called 11, and from what I've heard he's put
every bit as much imagination into the music as he did into the title.
It's said that this album will not disappoint fans, which is probably true,
although some might question whether it's possible to disappoint a Bryan
Adams fan.
>Mike Oldfield #9,
You may recall him from such albums as Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells II,
Tubular Bells III, The Best Of Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells 2003...
Seriously, this is his first Top 10 album since 1998, but it lands six
places lower than Ian Brown's 2001 release of the same title. Karl Jenkins
conducts and there are a couple of guest vocals from Hayley Westenra.
> Van Morrison
> #10
I wouldn't even think about trying to count how many albums he is into his
career, so I'll follow his album title: Keep It Simple.
> Top 20 : We Are Scientists #11,
Second album proper from the US act, now reduced to a duo after the drummer
bailed out.
They've already marked their Top 11 success with a MySpace posting in which
they invite sponsorship from 7/11. A double CD version adds some live
acoustic tracks.
> Taio Cruz #17
Debut album from the Brit Award-winning songwriter, says the sticker on the
front, although he clearly can't have won the award for anything on this.
One major retailer has an exclusive version with a bonus remix disc.
> New outside the top 20 : Neon Neon #67
A concept album about the life and times of John DeLorean, courtesy of Gruff
Rhys (of the Super Furry Animals and solo fame) and Bryan Hollon (of Boom
Bip). Guest "stars" include Har Mar Superstar and Fatlip.
> Re-entries : Eagles (CGH) #26,
Re-released, not that it was ever unavailable. Aren't they doing some gigs
soon?
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Estelle's single looks likely to remain #1, as it has its physical release
> this week.
Agreed.
> Top 5 : Madonna,
Interesting to see how this goes from here, actually, since it hasn't had a
brilliant start.
> Top 20 : Chris Brown,
Given its fairly static performance in recent weeks, that appears logical.
> Sam Sparro, Natasha B
Not a lot to dispute there.
> Top 30 : Gnarls Barkley,
Which would look a bit on the conservative side, but as the physical release
looks to have been ditched this is probably about it.
> Cascada,
This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>James Blunt
Doubtful, I think. Unless he's done what Hard-Fi did.
> Top 40 : Snoop Dogg
Seems a fair bet given the limited promo.
> Any other possibilities?
I don't suppose Kate Nash can be entirely ruled out, although she's not
selling downloads either. And this week is R.E.M.'s last chance to reclaim
some dignity.
> On downloads : Akon,
If this is 'I Can't Wait' it's been available as a download since 2006, so
it'll need some impetus to go Top 40 from wherever it is now.
>Kooks, Mariah Carey.
Are these confirmed dates?
I didn't think they were out yet, but if they are they have a good chance.
>There are one or two others, but
> I don't know if they'll be out on download this coming week.
Usher seems to be on the non-shelves and indeed there are posters all over
the Tube promoting the download, which I don't think I've seen before.
> Albums
> ------
> Panic At The Disco look the best prospect for a change at the top, in a
> week without big name releases.
Not very big names, at least.
> Top 10 NE : Foals,
Very possible, although the current single hasn't quite matched
expectations.
>Guillemots,
They can at least hope for it.
> Raconteurs
It wouldn't be a shock, but this has obviously lacked advance publicity.
> Top 20 NE : Joy Division,
Maybe if they'd released it nearer the time of the film.
>Mystery jets,
This one is plausible.
>Supergrass,
Seems about right in present circs.
>Gnarls Barkley
Not out till the 31st AFAIK.
> Others : B52's,
Almost impossible to tell, after so long away.
> Counting Crows,
They've missed the Top 20 surprisingly rarely.
> Mike Batt
Because he had a hit 33 years ago? I've heard some of this, and I'm not
convinced it would even have been released if he didn't own the record
company.
Chris
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> "Paul Hyett" <vidcap...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message
>
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>
> > Singles
> > -------
> > Seemingly from nowhere, Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy' re-enters
> > the chart at #1 (having charted two weeks ago at #72, then mysteriously
> > vanished), ending Duffy's five week run at the top.
>
> Obviously it didn't get a full week of sales back then, and was presumably
> taken offline in order to allow precisely this eventuality.
> Of course, Duffy's single also initially topped the chart as a download, so
> perhaps this marks the point where we can stop thinking of that as
> remarkable.
She was on Something for the Weekend today, but I couldn't see what
the big deal was about her at all.
> > New Entries/New Peaks
> > ---------------------
> > Madonna #7,
>
> On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
The further the better. I'll be 36 :)
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Seemingly from nowhere, Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy' re-enters
>> the chart at #1 (having charted two weeks ago at #72, then mysteriously
>> vanished), ending Duffy's five week run at the top.
>
>Obviously it didn't get a full week of sales back then, and was presumably
>taken offline in order to allow precisely this eventuality.
I don't see how that's even possible with downloads?
It's like opening the proverbial can of worms - once the download is out
there, you can't take it back.
>Of course, Duffy's single also initially topped the chart as a download, so
>perhaps this marks the point where we can stop thinking of that as
>remarkable.
It seems the key is to let demand build up, only releasing the song to
download a week or so before the CD is out. Naturally, that can only
apply to pre-album singles though.
I think Madonna has made a mistake releasing '4 Minutes' to download a
month early (or at all, but that's another matter), as her peak sales
will surely be lower.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Flo Rida #6,
>
>Making it seem likelier that this will penetrate the Top 5, if nothing else.
It's been out too long for CD's to make much difference - I can't see it
climbing more than 1 or 2 places at most.
BTW, did you notice PATD actually fell a place on physical release!
>
>> Madonna #7,
>
>On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
Not even a video yet - I guess it takes that long to do her makeup
nowadays... :)
>
>>Utah Saints #8,
>
>Despite the lyric, it transpires that not a lot has happened, with a mere
>one-place climb on physical release.
Is that due to lack of demand, or difficulty finding it, I wonder?
>
>> Girls Aloud #9
>
>Now on CD and just about keeping their run of Top 10 physicals intact.
18 consecutive now (ignoring the St.Trinians issue).
>Those
>CDs also include the much-ballyhooed track 'Hoxton Heroes' and the French
>translation 'Je Ne Parle Pas Francais', which much as I'd love to think
>otherwise, was probably not inspired by The Wedding Present.
Presumably the one played on the chart show last night.
HTF can you have a song titled 'Can't Speak French' sung *in* French,
though!? :)
>
>> Top 20 : Guillemots #20
>
>It was too late for this week's chart position, but I've realised I love
>this record.
Unless it was only 1 sale behind Timbaland though...
>Anyway, enough about me. This is of course the first Top 20 single for the
>multinational quartet, and must be considered a good omen for their imminent
>album.
Yet another front-loaded sales album, undoubtedly.
>
>> Top 30 : Sam Sparro #23,
>
>Out on CD, 7" & 12" on the 7th of April.
Is this getting much airplay?
>Is it just me who was amused to see consecutive new entries from acts called
>Sam Sparro and Guillemots?
Yes.
>
>>Natasha Bedingfield #27
>
>In which Sean Kingston advises us to stick a finger in one ear. Why just the
>one?
Grin.
>Also out on CD on the 7th.
I'm surprised this has started so strongly, given the indifferent
performance of her last two singles.
>
>> Top 40 : Gnarls Barkley #32,
>
>Not actually a re-entry to the Top 40
Yes, Fearne & Reggie get their facts wrong so often, I'm expecting
Gordon Brown to ask them to join the Labour Cabinet... :)
>
>>Gabriella Cilmi #38
>
>Whoever said there was anything sweet about her?
Well, I mostly liked her choice of singles on a recent music channel
segment...
>As if there wasn't reason enough not to buy it, the CD single also features
>her version of 'Echo Beach' which is apparently the theme to the ITV show.
Hey, I like her version of it!
Besides, how many younger music buyers will have heard Martha & the
Muffins original...
>
>> Re-entries T40 : Scouting For Girls #40
>
>This one being 'Elvis Ain't Dead', up from last week's 44.
>The consensus explanation for this and the various other rebounds is that
>people have been cherry-picking tracks from Now 69, although the slight hole
>in that theory is that the rebounds include 'Chasing Pavements', one of the
>handful of tracks not available individually from the digital version of the
>compilation.
Not to mention they could have downloaded the songs individually at any
time, so why would them being on Now 69 make any difference?
I was thinking of making a spreadsheet that listed all the NOW tracks
over the years, as a local 2nd hand shop seems to have a lot of old ones
recently.
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : >Enemy #41,
>
>With 'This Song Is About You'. By a strange coincidence, I've written a song
>about The Enemy; it's called 'Haven't You Released Enough Singles From This
>Album Already, You Greedy Trolls?'
Grin.
>
>>MSP #47,
>
>Wasn't expecting this to climb.
Nor was I.
>But it still has further to go to escape
>being their least successful new single since 1991
For a group known for extremely front-loaded CD sales, a download-only
release still seems a very odd choice.
>
>> Scouting For Girls #64,
>
>This one is 'Heartbeat', out on CD on - oh yes - the 7th.
Soulja Boy, and Adele also supposedly have new CD's out that day, though
I've heard neither (and don't want to).
>
>>James Blunt #65,
>
>Out on CDs & 7" tomorrow.
You expect his album would benefit, but it dropped 5 places this week.
>
>
>> Will.I.Am #74
>
>Apparently one of Girls Aloud is in the video.
Which one?
I would Youtube it, but then I'd have to listen to him...
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Duffy holds on for a 3rd week at #1.
>
>I was in one of the legendary Rough Trade indie shops the other day, and was
>slightly surprised to see many copies of this and the Adele records: indeed
>they even had the first Adele single, but under a one-per-customer policy.
Darn it - and there was I with my wheelbarrow. :)
>
>> A busy week for NE's :
>>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Muse #2,
>
>Their second success with live material, after 2002's Hullabaloo (Number 10,
>although that also featured some B-sides). Of course they've become a bigger
>deal since then, with two chart-topping studio sets.
>HAARP recalls their successful Wembley shows last year via a 14-track CD and
>20-track DVD, incorporating the version of 'Map Of The Problematique' that
>went Top 20 last year.
Unlikely to be as front-loaded as some, but even so I don't see it
hanging around long, especially if there's no new material?
>
>> Elbow #5,
>
>Their first ever Top 5 album, and only their second Top 10. And there's even
>more good news for them as 'Grounds For Divorce' becomes their first single
>ever to notch up a second Top 40 week.
Just...
>
>> Bryan Adams #6,
>
>His eleventh studio album is called 11, and from what I've heard he's put
>every bit as much imagination into the music as he did into the title.
Must have got the idea from Kylie...
>It's said that this album will not disappoint fans, which is probably true,
>although some might question whether it's possible to disappoint a Bryan
>Adams fan.
But how could anyone ever follow-up a 16 week #1, anyway?
>
>>Mike Oldfield #9,
>
>You may recall him from such albums as Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells II,
>Tubular Bells III, The Best Of Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells 2003...
Grin.
>
>> Top 20 : We Are Scientists #11,
>
>Second album proper from the US act, now reduced to a duo after the drummer
>bailed out.
>They've already marked their Top 11 success with a MySpace posting in which
>they invite sponsorship from 7/11. A double CD version adds some live
>acoustic tracks.
But very few extra sales, I suspect.
>
>> Taio Cruz #17
>
>Debut album from the Brit Award-winning songwriter, says the sticker on the
>front, although he clearly can't have won the award for anything on this.
>One major retailer has an exclusive version with a bonus remix disc.
Yawn.
>
>> Re-entries : Eagles (CGH) #26,
>
>Re-released, not that it was ever unavailable. Aren't they doing some gigs
>soon?
Zimmer frames on stand-by...
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Estelle's single looks likely to remain #1, as it has its physical release
>> this week.
>
>Agreed.
>
>> Top 5 : Madonna,
>
>Interesting to see how this goes from here, actually, since it hasn't had a
>brilliant start.
I don't think an instant #1 was ever realistic though, since it was
released before its publicity campaign had even gotten started.
>
>> Top 20 : Chris Brown,
>
>Given its fairly static performance in recent weeks, that appears logical.
It might not even match its previous #14 peak.
>
>> Top 30 : Gnarls Barkley,
>
>Which would look a bit on the conservative side, but as the physical release
>looks to have been ditched this is probably about it.
OTOH, people who may not have heard about that, might still be waiting
for it, and that may delay their purchasing it virtually.
>
>> Cascada,
>
>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
album sales.
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>I don't suppose Kate Nash can be entirely ruled out, although she's not
>selling downloads either.
Fourth from the album - I doubt it...
> And this week is R.E.M.'s last chance to reclaim
>some dignity.
Surely too late though, as the download component will be minimal.
>
>> On downloads : Akon,
>
>If this is 'I Can't Wait' it's been available as a download since 2006, so
>it'll need some impetus to go Top 40 from wherever it is now.
Yes, but rap always turns up to torment me...
>
>>Kooks, Mariah Carey.
>
>Are these confirmed dates?
>I didn't think they were out yet, but if they are they have a good chance.
Not confirmed dates, no - but since they're both out on CD next
Monday...
>
>>There are one or two others, but
>> I don't know if they'll be out on download this coming week.
>
>Usher seems to be on the non-shelves and indeed there are posters all over
>the Tube promoting the download
Great, that'll help correct the terrible urban shortage in the charts at
the moment...
Not due for CD release for 6 weeks, so it'll no doubt be another case of
peaking too early.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Panic At The Disco look the best prospect for a change at the top, in a
>> week without big name releases.
>
>Not very big names, at least.
Seems to be a post-Easter slump in album releases.
Handy for REM next week though - good chance of yet another #1 album.
The only album I may get next week would be Gabriella Cilmi's, though.
>
>> Top 10 NE : Foals,
>
>Very possible, although the current single hasn't quite matched
>expectations.
Whose expectations?
>
>>Guillemots,
>
>They can at least hope for it.
Low general sales, so...
>
>> Raconteurs
>
>It wouldn't be a shock, but this has obviously lacked advance publicity.
Any, in fact.
>
>> Top 20 NE :
>
>>Gnarls Barkley
>
>Not out till the 31st AFAIK.
New release sched still says 24th.
>
>> Mike Batt
>
>Because he had a hit 33 years ago? I've heard some of this, and I'm not
>convinced it would even have been released if he didn't own the record
>company.
Then its just as well that he does...
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>> > New Entries/New Peaks
>> > ---------------------
>> > Madonna #7,
>>
>> On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
>
>The further the better. I'll be 36 :)
Again? :)
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 at 01:23:06, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Seemingly from nowhere, Estelle & Kanye West's 'American Boy' re-enters
>>> the chart at #1 (having charted two weeks ago at #72, then mysteriously
>>> vanished), ending Duffy's five week run at the top.
>>
>>Obviously it didn't get a full week of sales back then, and was presumably
>>taken offline in order to allow precisely this eventuality.
>
> I don't see how that's even possible with downloads?
They just tell letter-of-the-alphabet-Tunes to stop selling it. That's
easier than trying to recall physical discs.
> It's like opening the proverbial can of worms - once the download is out
> there, you can't take it back.
Well, there is some risk of piracy, although since most music leaks before
it's released anyway, it's open to question how much difference the legal
release makes (bearing in mind that there wasn't a non-DRM version of the
track for sale until a week ago).
>>Of course, Duffy's single also initially topped the chart as a download,
>>so
>>perhaps this marks the point where we can stop thinking of that as
>>remarkable.
>
> It seems the key is to let demand build up, only releasing the song to
> download a week or so before the CD is out. Naturally, that can only apply
> to pre-album singles though.
And it is obviously subject to the above piracy concerns.
Also there seems to be some tendency for singles by less well-known acts to
be put out on download further ahead which I presume is in order to build up
a head of steam.
> I think Madonna has made a mistake releasing '4 Minutes' to download a
> month early (or at all, but that's another matter), as her peak sales will
> surely be lower.
Possibly they will, but of course there are other factors to take into
consideration, hence my quip about people downloading it before they knew
how bad it was.
To be fair, I think 'Hung Up' was released on download well before the
physical formats, though of course those sales didn't affect the main chart
back then.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Flo Rida #6,
>>
>>Making it seem likelier that this will penetrate the Top 5, if nothing
>>else.
>
> It's been out too long for CD's to make much difference - I can't see it
> climbing more than 1 or 2 places at most.
This seems quite plausible.
> BTW, did you notice PATD actually fell a place on physical release!
I did. I was going to write something about them (and the Sugababes) but I
thought the post was getting too long already.
>>> Madonna #7,
>>
>>On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
>
> Not even a video yet - I guess it takes that long to do her makeup
> nowadays... :)
I suppose it's not that common to put the track to radio and vid
simultaneously. And it may be that this has been rushed forward because of
net leaks.
>>>Utah Saints #8,
>>
>>Despite the lyric, it transpires that not a lot has happened, with a mere
>>one-place climb on physical release.
>
> Is that due to lack of demand, or difficulty finding it, I wonder?
Possibly both, although the ugly bloke on the front might have bolstered the
former!
>>> Girls Aloud #9
>>
>>Now on CD and just about keeping their run of Top 10 physicals intact.
>
> 18 consecutive now (ignoring the St.Trinians issue).
Hence that reference to physicals.
>>Those
>>CDs also include the much-ballyhooed track 'Hoxton Heroes' and the French
>>translation 'Je Ne Parle Pas Francais', which much as I'd love to think
>>otherwise, was probably not inspired by The Wedding Present.
>
> Presumably the one played on the chart show last night.
Yup. I had heard a bit of it before.
> HTF can you have a song titled 'Can't Speak French' sung *in* French,
> though!? :)
That's kind of what I thought too. I suppose it might be argued that they
don't really sound like they can speak French at that level, and they've
learnt it all by rote - but then most of their English vocals sound a bit
like that too.
I suppose the other solution is that it's all an innuendo.
>>> Top 20 : Guillemots #20
>>
>>It was too late for this week's chart position, but I've realised I love
>>this record.
>
> Unless it was only 1 sale behind Timbaland though...
In theory, I could have bought all three physical formats and downloaded it.
But I take the point.
>>Anyway, enough about me. This is of course the first Top 20 single for the
>>multinational quartet, and must be considered a good omen for their
>>imminent
>>album.
>
> Yet another front-loaded sales album, undoubtedly.
Yes, although in fairness that does apply to about 90% of all albums.
>>> Top 30 : Sam Sparro #23,
>>
>>Out on CD, 7" & 12" on the 7th of April.
>
> Is this getting much airplay?
You're the one who gets the airplay stats.
FWIW, I hadn't heard it until yesterday, and didn't realise what it was
until he got to the chorus.
>>Is it just me who was amused to see consecutive new entries from acts
>>called
>>Sam Sparro and Guillemots?
>
> Yes.
C'mon - Sparrow, Guillemot... OK, I'm easily pleased.
>>>Natasha Bedingfield #27
>>
>>In which Sean Kingston advises us to stick a finger in one ear. Why just
>>the
>>one?
>
> Grin.
It really is an odd image. That and the bit where Taio Cruz says he wants to
"turn you and me into a horse".
>>Also out on CD on the 7th.
>
> I'm surprised this has started so strongly, given the indifferent
> performance of her last two singles.
People haven't already got this - although I suppose not a lot of people had
the other ones either, since the album wasn't a big success.
>>> Top 40 : Gnarls Barkley #32,
>>
>>Not actually a re-entry to the Top 40
>
> Yes, Fearne & Reggie get their facts wrong so often, I'm expecting Gordon
> Brown to ask them to join the Labour Cabinet... :)
Ahem.
The best excuse I can find is that it's on re-entry to the Top 75, but
obviously not right now.
>>>Gabriella Cilmi #38
>>
>>Whoever said there was anything sweet about her?
>
> Well, I mostly liked her choice of singles on a recent music channel
> segment...
Fair enough - but you see what I'm getting at?
>>As if there wasn't reason enough not to buy it, the CD single also
>>features
>>her version of 'Echo Beach' which is apparently the theme to the ITV show.
>
> Hey, I like her version of it!
>
> Besides, how many younger music buyers will have heard Martha & the
> Muffins original...
Never mind that - how many of them will watch a fake soap with Jason Donovan
in it?
>>> Re-entries T40 : Scouting For Girls #40
>>
>>This one being 'Elvis Ain't Dead', up from last week's 44.
>>The consensus explanation for this and the various other rebounds is that
>>people have been cherry-picking tracks from Now 69, although the slight
>>hole
>>in that theory is that the rebounds include 'Chasing Pavements', one of
>>the
>>handful of tracks not available individually from the digital version of
>>the
>>compilation.
>
> Not to mention they could have downloaded the songs individually at any
> time, so why would them being on Now 69 make any difference?
That is a good question. My best guess is that people wait until it comes
out, look down the tracklisting and decide whether it's worth their while to
buy the whole thing.
If not, they might just go and pick out the tracks they actually want -
that'd solve the 'Chasing Pavements' question too, because people obviously
can download that one as a single track elsewhere.
FWIW, the other two affected tracks (at least where I've looked) are
'Rockstar' and 'Something Good' - and all three of those are available in
non-DRM versions, so there'd be even less reason to get them from the Now
album if you could.
> I was thinking of making a spreadsheet that listed all the NOW tracks over
> the years, as a local 2nd hand shop seems to have a lot of old ones
> recently.
I presume the info's online anyway?
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : >Enemy #41,
>>
>>With 'This Song Is About You'. By a strange coincidence, I've written a
>>song
>>about The Enemy; it's called 'Haven't You Released Enough Singles From
>>This
>>Album Already, You Greedy Trolls?'
>
> Grin.
By my count, it's the seventh.
>>>MSP #47,
>>
>>Wasn't expecting this to climb.
>
> Nor was I.
>
>>But it still has further to go to escape
>>being their least successful new single since 1991
>
> For a group known for extremely front-loaded CD sales, a download-only
> release still seems a very odd choice.
For a normal, album-promoting single it would be; though they did give away
a free download from the last album.
In this case, though, it doesn't necessarily suit them if a novelty cover
version becomes a bigger hit than their main career.
>>> Scouting For Girls #64,
>>
>>This one is 'Heartbeat', out on CD on - oh yes - the 7th.
>
> Soulja Boy, and Adele also supposedly have new CD's out that day, though
> I've heard neither (and don't want to).
I have heard the Adele one, if they haven't changed the release. It's a
Ronson production.
>>>James Blunt #65,
>>
>>Out on CDs & 7" tomorrow.
>
> You expect his album would benefit, but it dropped 5 places this week.
Why do I expect that?
>>> Will.I.Am #74
>>
>>Apparently one of Girls Aloud is in the video.
>
> Which one?
Like I'm going to know!
> I would Youtube it, but then I'd have to listen to him...
My computer speakers have an off-switch.
Apparently there's some awful TV show where the members of GA get to live
out their ambitions, and one of them is to, er, dance in a pop video.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Duffy holds on for a 3rd week at #1.
>>
>>I was in one of the legendary Rough Trade indie shops the other day, and
>>was
>>slightly surprised to see many copies of this and the Adele records:
>>indeed
>>they even had the first Adele single, but under a one-per-customer policy.
>
> Darn it - and there was I with my wheelbarrow. :)
I presume they're concerned about people putting them on Ebay. There are
copies on there for a lot more than the retail price, although as of now not
a lot of people are buying.
>>> A busy week for NE's :
>>>
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Muse #2,
>>
>>Their second success with live material, after 2002's Hullabaloo (Number
>>10,
>>although that also featured some B-sides). Of course they've become a
>>bigger
>>deal since then, with two chart-topping studio sets.
>>HAARP recalls their successful Wembley shows last year via a 14-track CD
>>and
>>20-track DVD, incorporating the version of 'Map Of The Problematique' that
>>went Top 20 last year.
>
> Unlikely to be as front-loaded as some, but even so I don't see it hanging
> around long, especially if there's no new material?
They're new recordings, but there aren't any new songs (I think the Intro is
just a tape). It's not bad value for a CD and DVD if you want that though.
>>> Elbow #5,
>>
>>Their first ever Top 5 album, and only their second Top 10. And there's
>>even
>>more good news for them as 'Grounds For Divorce' becomes their first
>>single
>>ever to notch up a second Top 40 week.
>
> Just...
Yeah, it's only two places above Ms Cilmi.
>>> Bryan Adams #6,
>>
>>His eleventh studio album is called 11, and from what I've heard he's put
>>every bit as much imagination into the music as he did into the title.
>
> Must have got the idea from Kylie...
Or Wet Wet Wet. Or Chicago.
>>It's said that this album will not disappoint fans, which is probably
>>true,
>>although some might question whether it's possible to disappoint a Bryan
>>Adams fan.
>
> But how could anyone ever follow-up a 16 week #1, >anyway?
With 25 years of silence, preferably. ;-)
Of course, he couldn't have expected to have a hit that big again, and
indeed the single he released immediately after it was was "lapped" by that
song. But that's hardly an excuse for making such awful records since.
>>>Mike Oldfield #9,
>>
>>You may recall him from such albums as Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells II,
>>Tubular Bells III, The Best Of Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells 2003...
>
> Grin.
An obvious dig, I know - but it does seem like every time he feels short of
a bob or two, he revists that same tune.
>>> Top 20 : We Are Scientists #11,
>>
>>Second album proper from the US act, now reduced to a duo after the
>>drummer
>>bailed out.
>>They've already marked their Top 11 success with a MySpace posting in
>>which
>>they invite sponsorship from 7/11. A double CD version adds some live
>>acoustic tracks.
>
> But very few extra sales, I suspect.
There must be some benefit - why bother otherwise?
It's better than Elbow charging you extra for some artwork.
>>> Taio Cruz #17
>>
>>Debut album from the Brit Award-winning songwriter, says the sticker on
>>the
>>front, although he clearly can't have won the award for anything on this.
>>One major retailer has an exclusive version with a bonus remix disc.
>
> Yawn.
I suppose the remixers couldn't actually make his music less interesting.
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Estelle's single looks likely to remain #1, as it has its physical
>>> release
>>> this week.
>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>> Top 5 : Madonna,
>>
>>Interesting to see how this goes from here, actually, since it hasn't had
>>a
>>brilliant start.
>
> I don't think an instant #1 was ever realistic though, since it was
> released before its publicity campaign had even gotten started.
It wasn't, but from where it was on, say, Wednesday it hasn't done
impressively (or, I must say, dreadfully). IMO it remains to be seen whether
this can climb consistently or whether it'll dawdle until the other
marketing kicks in.
>>> Top 30 : Gnarls Barkley,
>>
>>Which would look a bit on the conservative side, but as the physical
>>release
>>looks to have been ditched this is probably about it.
>
> OTOH, people who may not have heard about that, might still be waiting for
> it, and that may delay their purchasing it virtually.
Although it will probably take them so long to find out it's not released
that they won't get round to downloading it until June.
>>> Cascada,
>>
>>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>
> It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
> album sales.
Agreed, at least in their case. Is 'Miracle' their only one to go Top 75 on
downloads after the album?
>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>I don't suppose Kate Nash can be entirely ruled out, although she's not
>>selling downloads either.
>
> Fourth from the album - I doubt it...
There is actually at least one fourth single in the Top 20, but I take the
point - that's why I wouldn't put it any stronger than "can't be entirely
ruled out".
>> And this week is R.E.M.'s last chance to reclaim
>>some dignity.
>
> Surely too late though, as the download component will be minimal.
It will, but if they could sell physicals at the rate they used to that
wouldn't matter so much.
>>> On downloads : Akon,
>>
>>If this is 'I Can't Wait' it's been available as a download since 2006, so
>>it'll need some impetus to go Top 40 from wherever it is now.
>
> Yes, but rap always turns up to torment me...
Although this one evidently hasn't yet. FWIW, his last post-album single
never made the Top 40 at all.
>>>Kooks, Mariah Carey.
>>
>>Are these confirmed dates?
>>I didn't think they were out yet, but if they are they have a good chance.
>
> Not confirmed dates, no - but since they're both out on CD next Monday...
...The record companies might wait until then to get the highest entry?
I don't actually know either way, but neither seems to have cracked the
iTunes chart yet. For some reason 'Paint It Black' [sic] is in there.
>>>There are one or two others, but
>>> I don't know if they'll be out on download this coming week.
>>
>>Usher seems to be on the non-shelves and indeed there are posters all over
>>the Tube promoting the download
>
> Great, that'll help correct the terrible urban shortage in the charts at
> the moment...
Compared to three years or so, maybe there is.
> Not due for CD release for 6 weeks, so it'll no doubt be another case of
> peaking too early.
If they even bother with it - as I say, the posters are only promoting the
download, which looks unusual to me.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Panic At The Disco look the best prospect for a change at the top, in a
>>> week without big name releases.
>>
>>Not very big names, at least.
>
> Seems to be a post-Easter slump in album releases.
Which may or may not be for that reason, I suppose.
> Handy for REM next week though - good chance of yet another #1 album.
I know - I was wondering whether they could do it this time, but they've got
a pretty clear field.
> The only album I may get next week would be Gabriella Cilmi's, though.
So long as the label don't move it.
>>> Top 10 NE : Foals,
>>
>>Very possible, although the current single hasn't quite matched
>>expectations.
>
> Whose expectations?
Those of people who saw it go Top 50 on downloads.
>>> Raconteurs
>>
>>It wouldn't be a shock, but this has obviously lacked advance publicity.
>
> Any, in fact.
It was only announced on Tuesday - and I don't know whether anyone among the
general public has even heard any of it yet. Well, I suppose if they've
bought it they will have, but you know what I mean.
>>> Top 20 NE :
>>
>>>Gnarls Barkley
>>
>>Not out till the 31st AFAIK.
>
> New release sched still says 24th.
But it said that for the single too. I suppose they could have brought the
LP forward in its stead - I've not been in any shops today.
>>> Mike Batt
>>
>>Because he had a hit 33 years ago? I've heard some of this, and I'm not
>>convinced it would even have been released if he didn't own the record
>>company.
>
> Then its just as well that he does...
Not for him - he'll have to cover the cost of all the unsold copies.
CHris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>
>it's released anyway, it's open to question how much difference the legal
>release makes (bearing in mind that there wasn't a non-DRM version of the
>track for sale until a week ago).
From my pov, I wouldn't want it even if it *was* free...
>>
>> It seems the key is to let demand build up, only releasing the song to
>> download a week or so before the CD is out. Naturally, that can only apply
>> to pre-album singles though.
>
>And it is obviously subject to the above piracy concerns.
I think they'd be worse if it *was* available then got pulled, than if
people could get it legally all along.
>
>To be fair, I think 'Hung Up' was released on download well before the
>physical formats, though of course those sales didn't affect the main chart
>back then.
You're right - out on download 29/10/05, & CD 19/11/05.
The 3 pre-release weeks she was 2-1-1 on downloads, but she would have
been facing Westlife's 'You Raise Me Up', which sold 97.3k & 58.2k on
the two weeks she was #1 on downloads, and back then download sales
couldn't possibly have matched that.
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>> Madonna #7,
>>>
>>>On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
>>
>> Not even a video yet - I guess it takes that long to do her makeup
>> nowadays... :)
>
>I suppose it's not that common to put the track to radio and vid
>simultaneously. And it may be that this has been rushed forward because of
>net leaks.
But in this case, wouldn't that have a negative net effect in sales...
:)
>
>>>> Top 20 : Guillemots #20
>>
>> Yet another front-loaded sales album, undoubtedly.
>
>Yes, although in fairness that does apply to about 90% of all albums.
I was thinking of ones that vanish without trace in a month though, not
ones that have an initial spike then hover around waiting for the next
single.
>
>
>>>Is it just me who was amused to see consecutive new entries from acts
>>>called
>>>Sam Sparro and Guillemots?
>>
>> Yes.
>
>C'mon - Sparrow, Guillemot... OK, I'm easily pleased.
I got it, just didn't find it that amusing...
>
>>>>Natasha Bedingfield #27
>
>People haven't already got this - although I suppose not a lot of people had
>the other ones either, since the album wasn't a big success.
Yet another second-album struggle.
>
>>>>Gabriella Cilmi #38
>>>
>>>Whoever said there was anything sweet about her?
>>
>> Well, I mostly liked her choice of singles on a recent music channel
>> segment...
>
>Fair enough - but you see what I'm getting at?
Actually, I think she's quite attractive.
>>
>> Besides, how many younger music buyers will have heard Martha & the
>> Muffins original...
>
>Never mind that - how many of them will watch a fake soap with Jason Donovan
>in it?
He's reduced to *fake* soaps now? :)
>>>The consensus explanation for this and the various other rebounds is that
>>>people have been cherry-picking tracks from Now 69, although the slight
>>>hole
>>>in that theory is that the rebounds include 'Chasing Pavements', one of
>>>the
>>>handful of tracks not available individually from the digital version of
>>>the
>>>compilation.
>>
>> Not to mention they could have downloaded the songs individually at any
>> time, so why would them being on Now 69 make any difference?
>
>That is a good question. My best guess is that people wait until it comes
>out, look down the tracklisting and decide whether it's worth their while to
>buy the whole thing.
By the time they do arrive, I've already bought any of the tracks I like
from it.
>> I was thinking of making a spreadsheet that listed all the NOW tracks over
>> the years, as a local 2nd hand shop seems to have a lot of old ones
>> recently.
>
>I presume the info's online anyway?
I hadn't seen it collated - though Robbie (no, not *that* one) pointed
me to a website that covers it.
>
>>>>James Blunt #65,
>>>
>>>Out on CDs & 7" tomorrow.
>>
>> You expect his album would benefit, but it dropped 5 places this week.
>
>Why do I expect that?
Because MOR artists albums usually take all the benefit from singles
releases from them.
>
>My computer speakers have an off-switch.
Mine don't - they are USB powered.
>Apparently there's some awful TV show where the members of GA get to live
>out their ambitions, and one of them is to, er, dance in a pop video.
And people wonder why you don't have a TV... :)
>
>>>> A busy week for NE's :
>>>>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Muse #2,
>>
>> Unlikely to be as front-loaded as some, but even so I don't see it hanging
>> around long, especially if there's no new material?
>
>They're new recordings, but there aren't any new songs (I think the Intro is
>just a tape). It's not bad value for a CD and DVD if you want that though.
I'm very reluctant to buy any album that doesn't contain new material.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Top 5 : Madonna,
>>>
>>>Interesting to see how this goes from here, actually, since it hasn't had
>>>a
>>>brilliant start.
>>
>> I don't think an instant #1 was ever realistic though, since it was
>> released before its publicity campaign had even gotten started.
>
>It wasn't, but from where it was on, say, Wednesday it hasn't done
>impressively (or, I must say, dreadfully). IMO it remains to be seen whether
>this can climb consistently or whether it'll dawdle until the other
>marketing kicks in.
I think it'll be T3 until the CD release, at worst.
>
>>>> Cascada,
>>>
>>>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>>
>> It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
>> album sales.
>
>Agreed, at least in their case. Is 'Miracle' their only one to go Top 75 on
>downloads after the album?
Don't know - but I bought the CD single today. It has the usual
half-dozen remixes.
>>>
>>>Usher seems to be on the non-shelves and indeed there are posters all over
>>>the Tube promoting the download
>>
>> Great, that'll help correct the terrible urban shortage in the charts at
>> the moment...
>
>Compared to three years or so, maybe there is.
Doesn't feel that way... :)
>
>> Not due for CD release for 6 weeks, so it'll no doubt be another case of
>> peaking too early.
>
>If they even bother with it - as I say, the posters are only promoting the
>download, which looks unusual to me.
I can't see them not releasing it on CD though, given that his last
album spawned 2 #1's!
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>
>> Handy for REM next week though - good chance of yet another #1 album.
>
>I know - I was wondering whether they could do it this time, but they've got
>a pretty clear field.
Almost totally deserted, in fact!
>
>
>>>> Top 20 NE :
>>>
>>>>Gnarls Barkley
>>>
>>>Not out till the 31st AFAIK.
>>
>> New release sched still says 24th.
>
>But it said that for the single too.
Not any more.
Dom Robinson
says...
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 at 20:33:18, Dom Robinson <pick...@googlemail.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
> >
> >> > New Entries/New Peaks
> >> > ---------------------
> >> > Madonna #7,
> >>
> >> On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
> >
> >The further the better. I'll be 36 :)
>
> Again? :)
>
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Paul Hyett
>> >
>> >> > New Entries/New Peaks
>> >> > ---------------------
>> >> > Madonna #7,
>> >>
>> >> On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
>> >
>> >The further the better. I'll be 36 :)
>>
>> Again? :)
>>
>Not unless I was lied to, years ago.
Fair enough.
It's just that I thought you were 35 several years ago... :)
Dom Robinson
says...
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 at 21:36:36, Dom Robinson <useadd...@sig.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
> >> >
> >> >> > New Entries/New Peaks
> >> >> > ---------------------
> >> >> > Madonna #7,
> >> >>
> >> >> On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
> >> >
> >> >The further the better. I'll be 36 :)
> >>
> >> Again? :)
> >>
> >Not unless I was lied to, years ago.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> It's just that I thought you were 35 several years ago... :)
>
about something: "From the man who was born 45..." :)
Chris Brown
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 at 16:58:36, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>Well, there is some risk of piracy, although since most music leaks before
>>it's released anyway, it's open to question how much difference the legal
>>release makes (bearing in mind that there wasn't a non-DRM version of the
>>track for sale until a week ago).
>
> From my pov, I wouldn't want it even if it *was* free...
Fair enough.
>>> It seems the key is to let demand build up, only releasing the song to
>>> download a week or so before the CD is out. Naturally, that can only
>>> apply
>>> to pre-album singles though.
>>
>>And it is obviously subject to the above piracy concerns.
>
> I think they'd be worse if it *was* available then got pulled, than if
> people could get it legally all along.
In terms of people taking umbrage and feeling fewer qualms about downloading
it illicitly, yes. I don't think it'd really affect the availability.
>>To be fair, I think 'Hung Up' was released on download well before the
>>physical formats, though of course those sales didn't affect the main
>>chart
>>back then.
>
> You're right - out on download 29/10/05, & CD 19/11/05.
Actually, I thought I'd remembered it being even longer than that. Maybe it
just felt that way.
> The 3 pre-release weeks she was 2-1-1 on downloads, but she would have
> been facing Westlife's 'You Raise Me Up', which sold 97.3k & 58.2k on the
> two weeks she was #1 on downloads, and back then download sales couldn't
> possibly have matched that.
Or at least they probably didn't.
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>> Madonna #7,
>>>>
>>>>On on CD on the 14th of April, which seems a very long way away.
>>>
>>> Not even a video yet - I guess it takes that long to do her makeup
>>> nowadays... :)
>>
>>I suppose it's not that common to put the track to radio and vid
>>simultaneously. And it may be that this has been rushed forward because of
>>net leaks.
>
> But in this case, wouldn't that have a negative net effect in sales... :)
The whole thing sounds pretty gross to me. ;-)
>>>>> Top 20 : Guillemots #20
>>>
>>> Yet another front-loaded sales album, undoubtedly.
>>
>>Yes, although in fairness that does apply to about 90% of all albums.
>
> I was thinking of ones that vanish without trace in a month though, not
> ones that have an initial spike then hover around waiting for the next
> single.
Actually, the previous Guillemots album had a longer run than I thought it
had. But that may not be the case this time.
>>>>>Natasha Bedingfield #27
>>
>>People haven't already got this - although I suppose not a lot of people
>>had
>>the other ones either, since the album wasn't a big success.
>
> Yet another second-album struggle.
...From a member of the Bedingfield family. I bet that's why none of the
others made a record after all.
>>>>>Gabriella Cilmi #38
>>>>
>>>>Whoever said there was anything sweet about her?
>>>
>>> Well, I mostly liked her choice of singles on a recent music channel
>>> segment...
>>
>>Fair enough - but you see what I'm getting at?
>
> Actually, I think she's quite attractive.
I don't have strong views on that - but that wasn't even remotely what I was
getting at. I meant that the song sounds like the sort of thing you release
on your third album when you're trying to rejig your image - but if you
haven't got an image beforehand it doesn't really make any sense.
>>> Besides, how many younger music buyers will have heard Martha & the
>>> Muffins original...
>>
>>Never mind that - how many of them will watch a fake soap with Jason
>>Donovan
>>in it?
>
> He's reduced to *fake* soaps now? :)
Best use of his fake talent, some might say.
>>>>The consensus explanation for this and the various other rebounds is
>>>>that
>>>>people have been cherry-picking tracks from Now 69, although the slight
>>>>hole
>>>>in that theory is that the rebounds include 'Chasing Pavements', one of
>>>>the
>>>>handful of tracks not available individually from the digital version of
>>>>the
>>>>compilation.
>>>
>>> Not to mention they could have downloaded the songs individually at any
>>> time, so why would them being on Now 69 make any difference?
>>
>>That is a good question. My best guess is that people wait until it comes
>>out, look down the tracklisting and decide whether it's worth their while
>>to
>>buy the whole thing.
>
> By the time they do arrive, I've already bought any of the tracks I like
> from it.
As you'd think most sensible people would nowadays.
This is why I've never in my life bought a Now album.
>>> I was thinking of making a spreadsheet that listed all the NOW tracks
>>> over
>>> the years, as a local 2nd hand shop seems to have a lot of old ones
>>> recently.
>>
>>I presume the info's online anyway?
>
> I hadn't seen it collated - though Robbie (no, not *that* one) pointed me
> to a website that covers it.
Not which one?
I suppose for your purposes you really only need to consider the ones
released since 2005.
>>>>>James Blunt #65,
>>>>
>>>>Out on CDs & 7" tomorrow.
>>>
>>> You expect his album would benefit, but it dropped 5 places this week.
>>
>>Why do I expect that?
>
> Because MOR artists albums usually take all the benefit from singles
> releases from them.
I grasp the concept of the single promoting the album - but there's no
particularly obvious reason it should happen in this specific week (even if
it had, a five-place drop in a week where there are 7 new entries in the Top
20 isn't catastrophic). Surely it was only as high was it was the previous
week because of the single?
>>My computer speakers have an off-switch.
>
> Mine don't - they are USB powered.
That's a good idea, but not being able to mute sounds like a problem.
>>Apparently there's some awful TV show where the members of GA get to live
>>out their ambitions, and one of them is to, er, dance in a pop video.
>
> And people wonder why you don't have a TV... :)
Exactly. At least people on Jim'll Fix It did stuff they didn't do the rest
of the time - I saw a clip of somebody who wanted to sing with Madness, but
it wasn't Suggs.
It wasn't Bruce Dickinson either.;-)
>>>>> A busy week for NE's :
>>>>>
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Muse #2,
>>>
>>> Unlikely to be as front-loaded as some, but even so I don't see it
>>> hanging
>>> around long, especially if there's no new material?
>>
>>They're new recordings, but there aren't any new songs (I think the Intro
>>is
>>just a tape). It's not bad value for a CD and DVD if you want that though.
>
> I'm very reluctant to buy any album that doesn't contain new material.
In the sense of new-to-you?
Yeah, I tend not to either, although I have bought live albums and DVDs from
acts I feel more strongly about than Muse.
Of course, new material on live albums is a whole different kettle of fish.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>> Cascada,
>>>>
>>>>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>>>
>>> It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
>>> album sales.
>>
>>Agreed, at least in their case. Is 'Miracle' their only one to go Top 75
>>on
>>downloads after the album?
>
> Don't know - but I bought the CD single today.
Polyhex suggests yes, although I haven't studied it thoroughly.
> It has the usual half-dozen remixes.
Waste of money then.
>>>>Usher seems to be on the non-shelves and indeed there are posters all
>>>>over
>>>>the Tube promoting the download
>>>
>>> Great, that'll help correct the terrible urban shortage in the charts at
>>> the moment...
>>
>>Compared to three years or so, maybe there is.
>
> Doesn't feel that way... :)
Remember when Ja Rule was famous?
Three years ago you didn't have people like Scouting For Girls spending 300
weeks in the Top 40.
>>> Not due for CD release for 6 weeks, so it'll no doubt be another case of
>>> peaking too early.
>>
>>If they even bother with it - as I say, the posters are only promoting the
>>download, which looks unusual to me.
>
> I can't see them not releasing it on CD though, given that his last album
> spawned 2 #1's!
Although the one before that spawned none at all. I don't quite see the
relevance?
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>> Handy for REM next week though - good chance of yet another #1 album.
>>
>>I know - I was wondering whether they could do it this time, but they've
>>got
>>a pretty clear field.
>
> Almost totally deserted, in fact!
Although there may be more demand for the Estelle album than I thought a few
weeks ago.
>>>>> Top 20 NE :
>>>>
>>>>>Gnarls Barkley
>>>>
>>>>Not out till the 31st AFAIK.
>>>
>>> New release sched still says 24th.
>>
>>But it said that for the single too.
>
> Not any more.
I know. Hence my suggestion that the album could have been brought forward.
Apparently not though.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>
>>>physical formats, though of course those sales didn't affect the main
>>>chart
>>>back then.
>>
>> You're right - out on download 29/10/05, & CD 19/11/05.
>
>Actually, I thought I'd remembered it being even longer than that. Maybe it
>just felt that way.
>
>> The 3 pre-release weeks she was 2-1-1 on downloads, but she would have
>> been facing Westlife's 'You Raise Me Up', which sold 97.3k & 58.2k on the
>> two weeks she was #1 on downloads, and back then download sales couldn't
>> possibly have matched that.
>
>Or at least they probably didn't.
The #1 download wasn't selling much more than 10k, back then.
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>Gabriella Cilmi #38
>I meant that the song sounds like the sort of thing you release
>on your third album when you're trying to rejig your image - but if you
>haven't got an image beforehand it doesn't really make any sense.
I was expecting you to say something like she was jumping on the Amy W
bandwagon, given she sounds similar.
On a related subject - if you want to be traumatised, try this :
http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/03/20/amy-winehouse-gets-naked-to-raise-aw
areness-of-breast-cancer/
>
>Not which one?
>I suppose for your purposes you really only need to consider the ones
>released since 2005.
Try 2003.
However, there are some of the earlier ones that contain a few songs I
like - I'd buy them if they were cheap enough.
>
>>>My computer speakers have an off-switch.
>>
>> Mine don't - they are USB powered.
>
>That's a good idea, but not being able to mute sounds like a problem.
They do have a volume dial, though.
>
>>>>>> A busy week for NE's :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>> I'm very reluctant to buy any album that doesn't contain new material.
>
>In the sense of new-to-you?
Obviously.
>Yeah, I tend not to either, although I have bought live albums and DVDs from
>acts I feel more strongly about than Muse.
>Of course, new material on live albums is a whole different kettle of fish.
Let me know if you ever find any... :)
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>>>> Cascada,
>>>>>
>>>>>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>>>>
>>>> It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
>>>> album sales.
>>>
>>>Agreed, at least in their case. Is 'Miracle' their only one to go Top 75
>>>on
>>>downloads after the album?
>>
>> Don't know - but I bought the CD single today.
>
>Polyhex suggests yes, although I haven't studied it thoroughly.
'What Hurts The Most' was released on the same day as the album.
>>>>
>>>> Great, that'll help correct the terrible urban shortage in the charts at
>>>> the moment...
>>>
>>>Compared to three years or so, maybe there is.
>>
>> Doesn't feel that way... :)
>
>Remember when Ja Rule was famous?
>Three years ago you didn't have people like Scouting For Girls spending 300
>weeks in the Top 40.
Congratulations, you've made me feel less bad about the current urban
surge. :)
>>
>> I can't see them not releasing it on CD though, given that his last album
>> spawned 2 #1's!
>
>Although the one before that spawned none at all. I don't quite see the
>relevance?
Then it's fortunate you don't work for a record company. :)
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>>> Handy for REM next week though - good chance of yet another #1 album.
>>>
>>>I know - I was wondering whether they could do it this time, but they've
>>>got
>>>a pretty clear field.
>>
>> Almost totally deserted, in fact!
>
>Although there may be more demand for the Estelle album than I thought a few
>weeks ago.
Not significantly, if people are buying 'American Boy' largely for
Kanye's contribution...
Chris Brown
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 at 22:08:22, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>Gabriella Cilmi #38
>
>>I meant that the song sounds like the sort of thing you release
>>on your third album when you're trying to rejig your image - but if you
>>haven't got an image beforehand it doesn't really make any sense.
>
> I was expecting you to say something like she was jumping on the Amy W
> bandwagon, given she sounds similar.
No, because contrary to what the record company want you to believe, I don't
think she does particularly. She doesn't even sound like herself all the way
through the record: people have mistaken it for two different vocalists.
> On a related subject - if you want to be traumatised, try this :
>
> http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/03/20/amy-winehouse-gets-naked-to-raise-aw
> areness-of-breast-cancer/
Where exactly are all these people who aren't aware of breast cancer anyway?
>>Not which one?
>>I suppose for your purposes you really only need to consider the ones
>>released since 2005.
>
> Try 2003.
I thought you were compiling this to look for tracks that climbed the chart
when they were released? In that context you can only start counting at
2005.
> However, there are some of the earlier ones that contain a few songs I
> like - I'd buy them if they were cheap enough.
Check the charity shops, you see quite a few in there.
>>>>>>> A busy week for NE's :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> I'm very reluctant to buy any album that doesn't contain new material.
>>
>>In the sense of new-to-you?
>
> Obviously.
>
>>Yeah, I tend not to either, although I have bought live albums and DVDs
>>from
>>acts I feel more strongly about than Muse.
>
>>Of course, new material on live albums is a whole different kettle of
>>fish.
>
> Let me know if you ever find any... :)
I've got a couple I can name without even needing to look it up: 'We Got
Love' by the Beach Boys and 'True Love Waits' by Radiohead.
The Beatles, of course, tried to make a whole live album of new songs, even
if it didn't work out.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>>>> Cascada,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
>>>>> album sales.
>>>>
>>>>Agreed, at least in their case. Is 'Miracle' their only one to go Top 75
>>>>on
>>>>downloads after the album?
>>>
>>> Don't know - but I bought the CD single today.
>>
>>Polyhex suggests yes, although I haven't studied it thoroughly.
>
> 'What Hurts The Most' was released on the same day as the album.
Digitally or physically?
>>> I can't see them not releasing it on CD though, given that his last
>>> album
>>> spawned 2 #1's!
>>
>>Although the one before that spawned none at all. I don't quite see the
>>relevance?
>
> Then it's fortunate you don't work for a record company. :)
The point is that releasing a single on CD doesn't guarantee a Number One,
even for him.
Conversely, if this single did top the charts on downloads...
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>> Handy for REM next week though - good chance of yet another #1 album.
>>>>
>>>>I know - I was wondering whether they could do it this time, but they've
>>>>got
>>>>a pretty clear field.
>>>
>>> Almost totally deserted, in fact!
>>
>>Although there may be more demand for the Estelle album than I thought a
>>few
>>weeks ago.
>
> Not significantly, if people are buying 'American Boy' largely for Kanye's
> contribution...
But it's on the album as well, so people might buy that.
Anyway, if it goes Top 40 that's better than I thought a few weeks ago.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>> On a related subject - if you want to be traumatised, try this :
>>
>> http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/03/20/amy-winehouse-gets-naked-to-raise-aw
>> areness-of-breast-cancer/
>
>Where exactly are all these people who aren't aware of breast cancer anyway?
Having AW getting her tits out is probably the last thing that'd
generate interest in breasts... :)
>
>>>Not which one?
>>>I suppose for your purposes you really only need to consider the ones
>>>released since 2005.
>>
>> Try 2003.
>
>I thought you were compiling this to look for tracks that climbed the chart
>when they were released?
No, that wasn't it.
>
>> However, there are some of the earlier ones that contain a few songs I
>> like - I'd buy them if they were cheap enough.
>
>Check the charity shops, you see quite a few in there.
That's exactly where I look - though sometimes people offload damaged
discs there, so you have to check before buying.
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cascada,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is still coming out on disc AFAIK, but it needs to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was never gonna do much on downloads before full release, given the
>>>>>> album sales.
>>>>>
>>>>>Agreed, at least in their case. Is 'Miracle' their only one to go Top 75
>>>>>on
>>>>>downloads after the album?
>>>>
>>>> Don't know - but I bought the CD single today.
>>>
>>>Polyhex suggests yes, although I haven't studied it thoroughly.
>>
>> 'What Hurts The Most' was released on the same day as the album.
>
>Digitally or physically?
Yes, both.
>>>
>>>Although the one before that spawned none at all. I don't quite see the
>>>relevance?
>>
>> Then it's fortunate you don't work for a record company. :)
>
>The point is that releasing a single on CD doesn't guarantee a Number One,
>even for him.
>Conversely, if this single did top the charts on downloads...
So far, no single that hasn't been physically released at all, has
gotten anywhere near #1.
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 at 19:15:39, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>I suppose for your purposes you really only need to consider the ones
>>>>released since 2005.
>>>
>>> Try 2003.
>>
>>I thought you were compiling this to look for tracks that climbed the
>>chart
>>when they were released?
>
> No, that wasn't it.
Oh, OK then.
>>> However, there are some of the earlier ones that contain a few songs I
>>> like - I'd buy them if they were cheap enough.
>>
>>Check the charity shops, you see quite a few in there.
>
> That's exactly where I look - though sometimes people offload damaged
> discs there, so you have to check before buying.
If they let you. Still if you're only playing a quid it might be worth the
risk.
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>Although the one before that spawned none at all. I don't quite see the
>>>>relevance?
>>>
>>> Then it's fortunate you don't work for a record company. :)
>>
>>The point is that releasing a single on CD doesn't guarantee a Number One,
>>even for him.
>>Conversely, if this single did top the charts on downloads...
>
> So far, no single that hasn't been physically released at all, has gotten
> anywhere near #1.
I know - but I was raising it as a hypothetical possiblity.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>> However, there are some of the earlier ones that contain a few songs I
>>>> like - I'd buy them if they were cheap enough.
>>>
>>>Check the charity shops, you see quite a few in there.
>>
>> That's exactly where I look - though sometimes people offload damaged
>> discs there, so you have to check before buying.
>
>If they let you.
They're OK about it if you check them at the till.
>Still if you're only playing a quid it might be worth the
>risk.
A little more than that in fact - old Now's tend to go for around £3 or
so.