Chart Commentary 30/3/13

[Paul Hyett]

Singles
-------
The Saturdays finally claim their first #1! :)

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 :
Top 10 :
Top 20 : Taylor Swift #11, Nelly #15, Kodaline #16, The 1975 #19
Top 30 : Pitbull ft Christina #27
Top 40 : Imagine Dragons #31, Reconnected #32, Jakewob #35

Re-entries T40 : David G/Sia (Ti) #38

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Calvin/Ellie #41,
Gorgon City #44, 30 Seconds To Mars #45, Mackelmore (CHU) #53, Iggy
Azalea #55, Paramore (SIU) #56, Kendrick Lamar #57, Depeche Mode #60,
Haim (Fall) #69

Re-entries T75 : Blackstreet (ND) #72, Script (FTFT) #74, Pitbull (DSTP)
#75


Albums
------
As expected, Justin Timberlake gets the #1 spot.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 :
Top 10 : Suede #10
Top 20 : Billy Bragg #13, Daughter #16


New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
#31, Steve Mason #34, Hadouken #35, Woodkid #38, Low #44, Clutch #50,
Alex Day #57, Phosphorescent #58, Marti Pellow #60, Bonobo #74

Re-entries : Pink Floyd (DSOTM) #43, Mackelmore #66, Justin Timberlake
#75


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
The Saturdays must have a fair chance of hanging on, as once again I
don't see any other listed new releases threatening the top 40.

Top 5 :
Top 10 : PJ & Duncan
Top 20 : Charlie Brown
Top 30 :
Top 40 :

There may be unexpected OA/OS releases, of course.

Albums
------
Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.

Top 5 : NKOTB
Top 10 : Imagine Dragons, Wiley
Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips

Others : Alkaline Trio, Bring Me The Horizon, Leann Rimes,
--
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[Chris Brown]

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> Singles
> -------
> The Saturdays finally claim their first #1! :)

At last, the desperation is over with their fourteenth single, although it
remains to be seen whether this is the beginning of the end for them or just
the end of the beginning.
What it's not is a decent song, even by their standards.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------

> Top 20 : Taylor Swift #11,

With a song called '22'. Will it peak at 5.5?

> Nelly #15,

Not much of a climb in its second full week of sales. Probably because he
doesn't seem to have much of a fanbase these days and the song is too
anodyne to attract casual buyers.

>Kodaline #16,

The current Number One in Ireland, this is a big ballad that might grow on
me.

>The 1975 #19

Unbelievably some people don't think this sounds like the Kooks.

> Top 30 : Pitbull ft Christina #27

This week's unannounced new release, although it had been out for a while in
other countries. At what point do we stop assuming we can refer to Christina
Aguilera by her first name?

> Top 40 : Imagine Dragons #31,

Belated peak for a single that's managed a lengthy chart run without
touching the Top 30 (so far anyway). It's weeks since I saw their singer
doing interviews to promote the next single, 'It's Time' but they still
haven't released it.

> Reconnected #32,

Speaking of Dragons, this group are signed to a label owned by Duncan
Bannatyne, best known as one of the millionaires on Dragon's Den. They
feature 60% of the members of Connected, a group who came 8th on Britain's
Got Talent years ago.
They can claim to have outperformed Hamfatter, at least.

>Jakewob #35

John Jacobs first name a name for himself with a bootleg remix of Ellie
Goulding's 'Starry Eyed'. He hasn't changed things much with this single,
which seems the closest legal equivalent.

> Re-entries T40 : David G/Sia (Ti) #38

Continuing to gain from price discounts and continued hype for the album.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Calvin/Ellie #41,

Let's hope he's not on autopilot again.

> Gorgon City #44,

Wasn't expecting this to climb slightly, although that's partly because I've
not been able to follow the iTunes chart as closely as usual this week.

>30 Seconds To Mars #45,

This week's announced OAOS release which got off to a strong start but
tailed off fast and ends up missing the Top 40. It's not much cop though.

> Mackelmore (CHU) #53,

Bless you!

> Iggy Azalea #55,

Another song that started the week in a strong position but failed to keep
up momentum. Not really a collaboration between Iggy Pop and Azaelia Banks.

>Paramore (SIU) #56,

Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
Sunday instead of late last week.

>Kendrick Lamar #57,

Apparently MKS (the original line-up of Sugababes) have done a cover version
of this.

> Depeche Mode #60,

Whilst I'm not surprised that this isn't Top 40 now, I did think the
multiple formats might have been enough for a midweek T40 position. Lest we
forget, the lead single from their last album went Top 30 in 2009.

> Haim (Fall) #69

Ironically, doing the opposite this week.

> Re-entries T75 : Blackstreet (ND) #72,

Regular 59p classic.

>Script (FTFT) #74,

Possibly their least remembered actual hit, but there's a new series of The
Voice coming.

>Pitbull (DSTP) #75

I didn't realise that this had slipped out, although it was only as low as
78 last week anyway.

> Albums
> ------
> As expected, Justin Timberlake gets the #1 spot.

And he does indeed score the first six-figure weekly sale of 2013, albeit
only a fraction of the 900k he's expected to shift in the US.
Perhaps surprisingly, only the third album in a solo career that stretches
back more than a decade, the 20/20 Experience does not consist of covers of
songs from the Beach Boys album 20/20. Nor indeed does it feature 20 tracks:
there are only 10 on the standard version, though each of them goes on for
about as long as the solo career of another member of N-Sync.
Unusually for an RnB album, all the tracks use the same production team of
Timbaland, Jerome Harmon and Timberlake himself (although one track credits
an extra "vocal producer") and the style is fairly consistently slow
balladry, with less of the hip-hop and dance influences from his last one.
Lyrically, JT seems mostly to be celebrating his recent wedding and the
night that followed: the song 'Strawberry Bubblegum' is not an ode to
confectionery.
The deluxe version adds two bonus tracks that, unlike the rest of the album,
only last nine minutes between them. And apparently the booklet is eight
pages longer. Whoop.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------

> Top 10 : Suede #10

Their last album was even longer ago than Timberlake's - indeed, their last
studio album A New Morning was released a month before Justified in October
2002. The band split the following year, but reunited in 2010 and after
sporadic touring the 1996 line-up have recorded their first new material
since reforming.
The album's been compared to this incarnation's first (and only previous)
album, Coming Up, and even has a similar cover design, though it seems
unlikely to spawn five Top 10 singles. It has at least made the Top 10
itself, as did all their studio albums bar the aforesaid A New Morning.
There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of which
feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks. Ker-ching?

> Top 20 : Billy Bragg #13,

His first new album in five years, although in fairness that's about as
often as he usually releases them, Tooth & Nail is a slight change of mood
for Bragg, or at least a big jump in the direction he's been heading in for
a long time. Far from the days when he was an angry young man with an
unaccompanied electric guitar, he recorded this album in the US and it has a
much softer, more country-oriented sound; he's even grown a beard. The
lyrics continue to address political issues, although as we all know he's
more effective when he talks about emotions really.
Thanks to a sales climate that favours album-oriented acts and a
promotional schedule that included an appearance on the One Show with Olivia
Newton-John, it's made a bit of a chart comeback for him. A deluxe version
adds a DVD of music videos from 1986-2002 and a booklet which reprints some
old columns he wrote for Q Magazine. I am not making this up.

> Daughter #16

The big indie release of the week is this debut set from the act that was
initially a vehicle for singer-songwriter Elena Tonra. Now expanded to a
trio, they've produced a sound that has raised comparisons to PJ Harvey,
Sigur Ros, Suzanne Vega and the XX. Their first album follows a series of
well-received EPs and singles over the past couple of years.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
> #31,

The duo's sixth album follows the death of bassist Robert Been's father, who
worked for the band as a sound engineer at the time. Before that he was
himself a member of rock group The Call, and a cover of their 1989 US hit
'Let The Day Begin' was the first single from this album.

>Steve Mason #34,

The first solo chart appearance from the former Beta Band frontman, though
he had a Top 75 single in 2005 as King Biscuit Time. The impressively titled
Monkey Minds In The Devil's Time is apparently a very political record, the
sort of idea I can appreciate in theory but suspect I would find a bit
annoying in practice. The album features nine conventional songs recorded in
London and 11 interludes recorded at hom in Fife.

>Hadouken #35,

Though this is only their third album, they already seem to have receded
from the mainstream to the extent that their press release begins "Hadouken
are back & have prepared their hardcore fan base for the release of a hugely
anticipated third album... "
Apparently the sound here is more dubstep and DnB influenced than before,
and indeed the album ends with their collaboration with Drumsound & Bassline
Smith from last year.

>Woodkid #38,

Having first come to prominence as a director of music videos (for Lana Del
Rey among others) Yoann Lemoine has turned his hand to making the music as
well. This debut album includes his 2011 debut single 'Iron' and iTunes
chart long-runner 'Run Boy Run', which I think was in an advert.

>Low #44,

In the week when the much-hyped musical The Book Of Mormon finally opened in
London, it's perhaps fitting that the world's coolest Mormon rock act should
score their highest ever UK chart placing. It's the tenth album from the
trio based around husband and wife team Alan Sparhawk and Mimi Parker -
current bassist Steve Garrington is the fourth incumbent in that role.
Whilst they haven't radically reinvented their style: they haven't gone
dubstep (or done any fast songs, really), they've experimented a bit on
their more recent albums and this one is notable for allowing Parker more
lead vocals than ever before - a rare example of more singing from the
drummer being an improvement.
It's interesting to note that sales seem not to have been harmed by the fact
that the album leaked online before Christmas, though of course that still
raises questions about why the record company were handing it out to
industry people three months before it was released to us plebs.

> Clutch #50,

An album that is actually called "Earth Rocker", which will leave few in any
doubt to the musical style exhibited on the US group's tenth(!) album.
Apparently the band spent two years preparing for this album, and had time
to write all 11 songs before the recording.

> Alex Day #57,

Wikipedia claims that this is his third album and that it's available as a
CD, though I can only find references to it as a download. However, I can
see that it includes a generous 20 tracks, including his three hits and
other low profile singles, which would be good value if any of it was any
good at all.

>Phosphorescent #58,

I missed this release so completely I didn't even see it on the OCC site.
Add your own punchline there.
This is in fact the sixth album from the group which is effectively a solo
project by singer-songwriter Matthew Houck. Released on the relatively
obscure US indie label Dead Oceans, it seems to fit into the current trend
for Americana-influenced rock, as well as carrying a slight Mexican
influence.

> Marti Pellow #60,

Strangely missing the opportunity to release this album in time for
Valentine's or Mother's Day, Pellow has to rely on people buying his eighth
solo album for themselves. Like most of his recordings outside Wet Wet Wet,
Hope is a covers album, featuring songs from musicals (that he obviously
couldn't be bothered to cover on his previous albums). There's only one
review on Amazon, and that gives it one star (it seems to be from a
disappointed fan rather than a troll).

>Bonobo #74

An album that's not out on physical formats for another eight days, but was
rush-released as a download on Thursday after a copy leaked onto the
internet. It's his fifth album and features a guest vocal from Erykah Badu.

> Re-entries : Pink Floyd (DSOTM) #43,

Has climbed over 100 places. There must have been some big outbreak of
insomnia.

> Mackelmore #66,

Got something against Ryan Lewis?
Evidently airplay for second single 'Can't Hold Us Down' is helping the
album.

>Justin Timberlake #75

Justified. Er, that's the title of the album, I'm not editorialisng.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> The Saturdays must have a fair chance of hanging on, as once again I don't
> see any other listed new releases threatening the top 40.

Apart from the one that you mention three lines further down the post???

Of course, just because the Sats have given us a mid-90s throwback by
holding their single back for months and releasing it in a quiet week, that
doesn't mean the Number One has to be a new entry... We know that
historically, Saturdays singles haven't shown much stability in the weeks
after release, but there again they haven't sold this much in the first week
before either.
It looks like being between them, Timberlake and Pink at the moment.

> Top 10 : PJ & Duncan

Still climbing, so this isn't actually a ridiculous suggestion.

> Top 20 : Charlie Brown

Seems quite possible now.

> Top 40 :

Seems inevitable that Ellie G & Calvin will be able to climb one place. And
we all know that Pitbull never peaks in his first chart week.
The digital release of the Olly Murs single is this week, but I can't see
that turning round the drop he had this week.

> There may be unexpected OA/OS releases, of course.

We could do with some in a dull week like this.
Again the possibility remains that Will.I.Am or Duke Dumond could be brought
forward since they'd both have a decent chance in a slack week like this.

> Albums
> ------
> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.

On this point I agree.

> Top 5 : NKOTB
> Top 10 : Imagine Dragons, Wiley
> Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips
>
> Others : Alkaline Trio, Bring Me The Horizon, Leann Rimes,

Are you looking at the schedule for April Fool's Day there, or is that the
deliberate joke?

My predictions:
Top 10: Depeche Mode, the Strokes, possibly Simple Minds
Top 20: Eric Clapton, Peace
Top 40: Edwyn Collins, Iron Maiden, You Me At Six (the latter are both live
albums)
Top 75: House Of Love

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[Paul Hyett]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 at 22:50:16, Chris Brown
<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> The Saturdays finally claim their first #1! :)
>
>At last, the desperation is over with their fourteenth single, although it
>remains to be seen whether this is the beginning of the end for them or just
>the end of the beginning.

>What it's not is a decent song, even by their standards.

Surely that notion is incompatible with it doing far better than any of
their other songs?
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------

>> Nelly #15,
>
>Not much of a climb in its second full week of sales. Probably because he
>doesn't seem to have much of a fanbase these days and the song is too
>anodyne to attract casual buyers.

'Anodyne'? You mean crap? :p

>
>> Top 30 : Pitbull ft Christina #27
>
>This week's unannounced new release, although it had been out for a while in
>other countries. At what point do we stop assuming we can refer to Christina
>Aguilera by her first name?
>

When she starts sounding like Christina Perri?

>
>> Reconnected #32,
>
>Speaking of Dragons, this group are signed to a label owned by Duncan
>Bannatyne, best known as one of the millionaires on Dragon's Den. They
>feature 60% of the members of Connected, a group who came 8th on Britain's
>Got Talent years ago.
>They can claim to have outperformed Hamfatter, at least.

Another shameful example of chart manipulation - 10 versions or more
released, none of which sold enough on their own to even go T200. :(

>
>>Jakewob #35
>
>John Jacobs first name a name for himself with a bootleg remix of Ellie
>Goulding's 'Starry Eyed'. He hasn't changed things much with this single,
>which seems the closest legal equivalent.

It didn't sound like Starry Eyed to me... :p

>
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Calvin/Ellie #41,
>
>Let's hope he's not on autopilot again.

Huh?

>
>> Iggy Azalea #55,
>
>Another song that started the week in a strong position but failed to keep
>up momentum. Not really a collaboration between Iggy Pop and Azaelia Banks.

Grin.

>
>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>
>Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
>Sunday instead of late last week.

It's surprising how many record companies pay no attention to the fact
the UK chart week starts on Sundays!

>
>
>> Depeche Mode #60,
>
>Whilst I'm not surprised that this isn't Top 40 now, I did think the
>multiple formats might have been enough for a midweek T40 position.

That only works if there's anywhere convenient people can buy physical
formats from...

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> As expected, Justin Timberlake gets the #1 spot.
>
>And he does indeed score the first six-figure weekly sale of 2013

Someone had to.

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>
>> Top 10 : Suede #10

>There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of which
>feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks. Ker-ching?

Or more likely 'ker-cherry-pick'. :p

>
>> Top 20 : Billy Bragg #13,
>
>His first new album in five years
>

Still too often.

>> Daughter #16
>
>The big indie release of the week is this debut set from the act that was
>initially a vehicle for singer-songwriter Elena Tonra. Now expanded to a
>trio, they've produced a sound that has raised comparisons to PJ Harvey,
>Sigur Ros, Suzanne Vega and the XX. Their first album follows a series of
>well-received EPs and singles over the past couple of years.

Ah, 'well-received' - the standard euphemism for 'too crap to chart'. :)

>
>> Alex Day #57,
>
>Wikipedia claims that this is his third album and that it's available as a
>CD, though I can only find references to it as a download. However, I can
>see that it includes a generous 20 tracks, including his three hits and
>other low profile singles, which would be good value if any of it was any
>good at all.

Grin.

>
>>Phosphorescent #58,
>
>I missed this release so completely I didn't even see it on the OCC site.
>Add your own punchline there.

I didn't know it existed either, though never would have predicted it
for T75, even if I had.

>
>> Marti Pellow #60,
>
>Strangely missing the opportunity to release this album in time for
>Valentine's or Mother's Day, Pellow has to rely on people buying his eighth
>solo album for themselves.

Oops.

>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> The Saturdays must have a fair chance of hanging on, as once again I don't
>> see any other listed new releases threatening the top 40.
>
>Apart from the one that you mention three lines further down the post???

PJ & Duncan isn't new.

>
>
>> Top 40 :
>
>Seems inevitable that Ellie G & Calvin will be able to climb one place.

Probably.

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.
>
>On this point I agree.
>
>> Top 5 : NKOTB
>> Top 10 : Imagine Dragons, Wiley
>> Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips
>>
>> Others : Alkaline Trio, Bring Me The Horizon, Leann Rimes,
>
>Are you looking at the schedule for April Fool's Day there, or is that the
>deliberate joke?

Neither.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:wg8plvdcq$TRF...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 at 22:50:16, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> The Saturdays finally claim their first #1! :)
>>
>>At last, the desperation is over with their fourteenth single, although it
>>remains to be seen whether this is the beginning of the end for them or
>>just
>>the end of the beginning.
>
>>What it's not is a decent song, even by their standards.
>
> Surely that notion is incompatible with it doing far better than any of
> their other songs?

As a Stevie Wonder fan, I don't think it is at all.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Nelly #15,
>>
>>Not much of a climb in its second full week of sales. Probably because he
>>doesn't seem to have much of a fanbase these days and the song is too
>>anodyne to attract casual buyers.
>
> 'Anodyne'? You mean crap? :p

I do, but it's a more specific term than that.

>>> Top 30 : Pitbull ft Christina #27
>>
>>This week's unannounced new release, although it had been out for a while
>>in
>>other countries. At what point do we stop assuming we can refer to
>>Christina
>>Aguilera by her first name?
>>
> When she starts sounding like Christina Perri?

Or when Perri is the bigger star?

>>> Reconnected #32,
>>
>>Speaking of Dragons, this group are signed to a label owned by Duncan
>>Bannatyne, best known as one of the millionaires on Dragon's Den. They
>>feature 60% of the members of Connected, a group who came 8th on Britain's
>>Got Talent years ago.
>>They can claim to have outperformed Hamfatter, at least.
>
> Another shameful example of chart manipulation - 10 versions or more
> released, none of which sold enough on their own to even go T200. :(

That's hardly a new phenomenon though. I say relax.

To be fair we don't know how many physicals they sold. 2k would be enough
for a theoretical T200 position.

>>>Jakewob #35
>>
>>John Jacobs first name a name for himself with a bootleg remix of Ellie
>>Goulding's 'Starry Eyed'. He hasn't changed things much with this single,
>>which seems the closest legal equivalent.
>
> It didn't sound like Starry Eyed to me... :p

I did to me. Though not to an actionable extent.

>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Calvin/Ellie #41,
>>
>>Let's hope he's not on autopilot again.
>
> Huh?

I think a lot of his work has been very formulaic.

>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>
>>Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
>>Sunday instead of late last week.
>
> It's surprising how many record companies pay no attention to the fact the
> UK chart week starts on Sundays!

Or are uninterested if the US market is their priority.

>>> Depeche Mode #60,
>>
>>Whilst I'm not surprised that this isn't Top 40 now, I did think the
>>multiple formats might have been enough for a midweek T40 position.
>
> That only works if there's anywhere convenient people can buy physical
> formats from...

I disagree. I don't think the sort of person who still wants to buy a
Depeche Mode single on a physical format in 2013 is concerned with
convenience.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> As expected, Justin Timberlake gets the #1 spot.
>>
>>And he does indeed score the first six-figure weekly sale of 2013
>
> Someone had to.

Well, not really. In theory, there might not have been any all year.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>
>>> Top 10 : Suede #10
>
>>There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of
>>which
>>feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks. Ker-ching?
>
> Or more likely 'ker-cherry-pick'. :p

I think some of the bonus tracks aren't available digitally, you have to
import a CD from Japan or something. No laughing matter if you've already
paid �99 for the deluxe box set.

>>> Top 20 : Billy Bragg #13,
>>
>>His first new album in five years
>>
> Still too often.

At least you can laugh at the videos.

>>> Daughter #16
>>
>>The big indie release of the week is this debut set from the act that was
>>initially a vehicle for singer-songwriter Elena Tonra. Now expanded to a
>>trio, they've produced a sound that has raised comparisons to PJ Harvey,
>>Sigur Ros, Suzanne Vega and the XX. Their first album follows a series of
>>well-received EPs and singles over the past couple of years.
>
> Ah, 'well-received' - the standard euphemism for 'too crap to chart'. :)

I think you mean "too unpopular", although presumably Daughter don't appeal
to the same sort of audience that would buy 10 copies of the Reconnected
single in release week. And the EPs might not have been eligible to chart
anyway,.

>>> Alex Day #57,
>>
>>Wikipedia claims that this is his third album and that it's available as a
>>CD, though I can only find references to it as a download. However, I can
>>see that it includes a generous 20 tracks, including his three hits and
>>other low profile singles, which would be good value if any of it was any
>>good at all.
>
> Grin.

Incidentally, I see this costs �5:49 on Amazon, so that at least would be in
the main chart.

>>>Phosphorescent #58,
>>
>>I missed this release so completely I didn't even see it on the OCC site.
>>Add your own punchline there.
>
> I didn't know it existed either, though never would have predicted it for
> T75, even if I had.

I suspect that had I found out about it, it would probably have been via
pre-orders which would have tipped me off to its chart potential.

>>> Marti Pellow #60,
>>
>>Strangely missing the opportunity to release this album in time for
>>Valentine's or Mother's Day, Pellow has to rely on people buying his
>>eighth
>>solo album for themselves.
>
> Oops.

I can only assume there was some practical reason it could come out any
earlier.
Mind you, it's not his lowest-charting album.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> The Saturdays must have a fair chance of hanging on, as once again I
>>> don't
>>> see any other listed new releases threatening the top 40.
>>
>>Apart from the one that you mention three lines further down the post???
>
> PJ & Duncan isn't new.

Charlie Brown is, even if his name isn't.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.
>>
>>On this point I agree.
>>
>>> Top 5 : NKOTB
>>> Top 10 : Imagine Dragons, Wiley
>>> Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips
>>>
>>> Others : Alkaline Trio, Bring Me The Horizon, Leann Rimes,
>>
>>Are you looking at the schedule for April Fool's Day there, or is that the
>>deliberate joke?
>
> Neither.

And yet that's when all the albums you've mentioned are released (except the
Leann Rimes one which seems to have been postponed yet again). Are you
expecting a lot of leaks?

Forgot to mention Joe Bonamassa's live album, BTW. It's beating the
equivalent Maiden and YM@6 releases on Amazon.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 at 21:53:09, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>

>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------

>
>>>> Reconnected #32,
>>>
>>>Speaking of Dragons, this group are signed to a label owned by Duncan
>>>Bannatyne, best known as one of the millionaires on Dragon's Den. They
>>>feature 60% of the members of Connected, a group who came 8th on Britain's
>>>Got Talent years ago.
>>>They can claim to have outperformed Hamfatter, at least.
>>
>> Another shameful example of chart manipulation - 10 versions or more
>> released, none of which sold enough on their own to even go T200. :(
>
>That's hardly a new phenomenon though. I say relax.

Groan.

Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...

>
>To be fair we don't know how many physicals they sold. 2k would be
>enough for a theoretical T200 position.

We know the #197 sold 1,305 last week...

>
>>>>Jakewob #35
>>>
>>>John Jacobs first name a name for himself with a bootleg remix of Ellie
>>>Goulding's 'Starry Eyed'. He hasn't changed things much with this single,
>>>which seems the closest legal equivalent.
>>
>> It didn't sound like Starry Eyed to me... :p
>
>I did to me.

You did? :p

>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Calvin/Ellie #41,
>>>
>>>Let's hope he's not on autopilot again.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>I think a lot of his work has been very formulaic.

Not Ellie's, though.

>
>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>
>>>Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
>>>Sunday instead of late last week.
>>
>> It's surprising how many record companies pay no attention to the fact the
>> UK chart week starts on Sundays!
>
>Or are uninterested if the US market is their priority.

FFS, it doesn't take *much* attention to know what day of the week to
release a song in the UK. 8)

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> As expected, Justin Timberlake gets the #1 spot.
>>>
>>>And he does indeed score the first six-figure weekly sale of 2013
>>
>> Someone had to.
>
>Well, not really. In theory, there might not have been any all year.

Even in the Xmas run-up?

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>> Top 10 : Suede #10
>>
>>>There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of
>>>which
>>>feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks. Ker-ching?
>>
>> Or more likely 'ker-cherry-pick'. :p
>
>I think some of the bonus tracks aren't available digitally, you have
>to import a CD from Japan or something. No laughing matter if you've
>already paid �99 for the deluxe box set.

OK then, 'ker-piracy'... :p

>
>>>> Daughter #16
>>>
>>>The big indie release of the week is this debut set from the act that was
>>>initially a vehicle for singer-songwriter Elena Tonra. Now expanded to a
>>>trio, they've produced a sound that has raised comparisons to PJ Harvey,
>>>Sigur Ros, Suzanne Vega and the XX. Their first album follows a series of
>>>well-received EPs and singles over the past couple of years.
>>
>> Ah, 'well-received' - the standard euphemism for 'too crap to chart'. :)
>
>I think you mean "too unpopular"

That's another interpretation. ;)

>
>>>>Phosphorescent #58,
>>>
>>>I missed this release so completely I didn't even see it on the OCC site.
>>>Add your own punchline there.
>>
>> I didn't know it existed either, though never would have predicted it for
>> T75, even if I had.
>
>I suspect that had I found out about it, it would probably have been
>via pre-orders which would have tipped me off to its chart potential.

But those would be just download pre-orders, right? That says nothing
about an albums potential physical sales, though...

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------

>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Justin Timberlake looks like holding on at #1 next Sunday.
>>>
>>>On this point I agree.
>>>
>>>> Top 5 : NKOTB
>>>> Top 10 : Imagine Dragons, Wiley
>>>> Top 20 : British Sea Power, Flaming Lips
>>>>
>>>> Others : Alkaline Trio, Bring Me The Horizon, Leann Rimes,
>>>
>>>Are you looking at the schedule for April Fool's Day there, or is that the
>>>deliberate joke?
>>
>> Neither.
>
>And yet that's when all the albums you've mentioned are released
>(except the Leann Rimes one which seems to have been postponed yet
>again). Are you expecting a lot of leaks?

Oh, I see what you're getting at, now.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:p3vfQHvP...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 at 21:53:09, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>> Reconnected #32,
>>>>
>>>>Speaking of Dragons, this group are signed to a label owned by Duncan
>>>>Bannatyne, best known as one of the millionaires on Dragon's Den. They
>>>>feature 60% of the members of Connected, a group who came 8th on
>>>>Britain's
>>>>Got Talent years ago.
>>>>They can claim to have outperformed Hamfatter, at least.
>>>
>>> Another shameful example of chart manipulation - 10 versions or more
>>> released, none of which sold enough on their own to even go T200. :(
>>
>>That's hardly a new phenomenon though. I say relax.
>
> Groan.

I thought I should be frank about it.

> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...

It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.

>>To be fair we don't know how many physicals they sold. 2k would be enough
>>for a theoretical T200 position.
>
> We know the #197 sold 1,305 last week...

Right.

>>>>>Jakewob #35
>>>>
>>>>John Jacobs first name a name for himself with a bootleg remix of Ellie
>>>>Goulding's 'Starry Eyed'. He hasn't changed things much with this
>>>>single,
>>>>which seems the closest legal equivalent.
>>>
>>> It didn't sound like Starry Eyed to me... :p
>>
>>I did to me.
>
> You did? :p

Yes, when I was singing along and it fitted perfectly.

>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Calvin/Ellie #41,
>>>>
>>>>Let's hope he's not on autopilot again.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>I think a lot of his work has been very formulaic.
>
> Not Ellie's, though.

Not as much, anyway.

>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>>
>>>>Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
>>>>Sunday instead of late last week.
>>>
>>> It's surprising how many record companies pay no attention to the fact
>>> the
>>> UK chart week starts on Sundays!
>>
>>Or are uninterested if the US market is their priority.
>
> FFS, it doesn't take *much* attention to know what day of the week to
> release a song in the UK. 8)

Presumably they knew - 'Now' was released on a Sunday wasn't it? - but that
doesn't mean they care. They might just have settled on a date to suit the
US.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> As expected, Justin Timberlake gets the #1 spot.
>>>>
>>>>And he does indeed score the first six-figure weekly sale of 2013
>>>
>>> Someone had to.
>>
>>Well, not really. In theory, there might not have been any all year.
>
> Even in the Xmas run-up?

In theory it could happen. Maybe one year it will.

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>> Top 10 : Suede #10
>>>
>>>>There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of
>>>>which
>>>>feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks. Ker-ching?
>>>
>>> Or more likely 'ker-cherry-pick'. :p
>>
>>I think some of the bonus tracks aren't available digitally, you have to
>>import a CD from Japan or something. No laughing matter if you've already
>>paid �99 for the deluxe box set.
>
> OK then, 'ker-piracy'... :p

I can't say I'd blame people, although it's not that easy to sympathise with
anyone who'd pay a hundred quid for a Suede album.

>>>>>Phosphorescent #58,
>>>>
>>>>I missed this release so completely I didn't even see it on the OCC
>>>>site.
>>>>Add your own punchline there.
>>>
>>> I didn't know it existed either, though never would have predicted it
>>> for
>>> T75, even if I had.
>>
>>I suspect that had I found out about it, it would probably have been via
>>pre-orders which would have tipped me off to its chart potential.
>
> But those would be just download pre-orders, right?

No.

> That says nothing
> about an albums potential physical sales, though...

Very little (and vice-versa of course). Mind you, I don't know which formats
this album would do best on.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 at 22:32:12, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>

>> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
>> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...
>
>It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.

Well, the lyrics weren't exactly radio-friendly...

>
>>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>>>
>>>>>Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
>>>>>Sunday instead of late last week.
>>>>
>>>> It's surprising how many record companies pay no attention to the fact
>>>> the
>>>> UK chart week starts on Sundays!
>>>
>>>Or are uninterested if the US market is their priority.
>>
>> FFS, it doesn't take *much* attention to know what day of the week to
>> release a song in the UK. 8)
>
>Presumably they knew - 'Now' was released on a Sunday wasn't it? - but
>that doesn't mean they care. They might just have settled on a date to
>suit the US.
>

That argument doesn't wash - songs are regularly released on different
days in the US & UK...

>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------

>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>> Top 10 : Suede #10
>>>>
>>>>>There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of
>>>>>which
>>>>>feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks. Ker-ching?
>>>>
>>>> Or more likely 'ker-cherry-pick'. :p
>>>
>>>I think some of the bonus tracks aren't available digitally, you have to
>>>import a CD from Japan or something. No laughing matter if you've already
>>>paid �99 for the deluxe box set.
>>
>> OK then, 'ker-piracy'... :p
>
>I can't say I'd blame people, although it's not that easy to sympathise
>with anyone who'd pay a hundred quid for a Suede album.

Or with a record company that charges �100 for that album?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 at 22:32:12, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
>>> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...
>>
>>It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.
>
> Well, the lyrics weren't exactly radio-friendly...

Although I would strongly suspect that 'Relax' had more airplay before it
made the T40 than 'One In A Million' has, certainly if you adjust for the
amount of radio play available in 1983/4.

Coincidentally, Duncan Bannatyne has put his house up for sale this week.

>>>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Could potentially have been a minor Top 40 hit had it been released on
>>>>>>Sunday instead of late last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's surprising how many record companies pay no attention to the fact
>>>>> the
>>>>> UK chart week starts on Sundays!
>>>>
>>>>Or are uninterested if the US market is their priority.
>>>
>>> FFS, it doesn't take *much* attention to know what day of the week to
>>> release a song in the UK. 8)
>>
>>Presumably they knew - 'Now' was released on a Sunday wasn't it? - but
>>that doesn't mean they care. They might just have settled on a date to
>>suit the US.
>>
> That argument doesn't wash - songs are regularly released on different
> days in the US & UK...

I know that, although ISTM it's unusual for them to be scheduled on
different days in the same week. If you want to do an OAOS release you
pretty much have to do it the same day everywhere.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Top 10 : Suede #10
>>>>>
>>>>>>There are several deluxe versions available in various places, many of
>>>>>>which
>>>>>>feature bonus tracks - though no version has all the tracks.
>>>>>>Ker-ching?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or more likely 'ker-cherry-pick'. :p
>>>>
>>>>I think some of the bonus tracks aren't available digitally, you have to
>>>>import a CD from Japan or something. No laughing matter if you've
>>>>already
>>>>paid �99 for the deluxe box set.
>>>
>>> OK then, 'ker-piracy'... :p
>>
>>I can't say I'd blame people, although it's not that easy to sympathise
>>with anyone who'd pay a hundred quid for a Suede album.
>
> Or with a record company that charges �100 for that album?

I suppose you could say it's quite clever of them to do so - there obviously
are cheaper versions available.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 at 23:37:25, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
>>>> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...
>>>
>>>It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.
>>
>> Well, the lyrics weren't exactly radio-friendly...
>
>Although I would strongly suspect that 'Relax' had more airplay before
>it made the T40 than 'One In A Million' has, certainly if you adjust
>for the amount of radio play available in 1983/4.

Presumably not on the breakfast show, though. :p

>
>Coincidentally, Duncan Bannatyne has put his house up for sale this week.

I'm guessing you expect me to recognise that name?
>
>>>>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,

>>>
>> That argument doesn't wash - songs are regularly released on different
>> days in the US & UK...
>
>I know that, although ISTM it's unusual for them to be scheduled on
>different days in the same week. If you want to do an OAOS release you
>pretty much have to do it the same day everywhere.

I don't agree - what difference would delaying a few days until Sunday
make?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:h3gdgIFx...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 at 23:37:25, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
>>>>> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...
>>>>
>>>>It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.
>>>
>>> Well, the lyrics weren't exactly radio-friendly...
>>
>>Although I would strongly suspect that 'Relax' had more airplay before it
>>made the T40 than 'One In A Million' has, certainly if you adjust for the
>>amount of radio play available in 1983/4.
>
> Presumably not on the breakfast show, though. :p

Whose breakfast show?

>>Coincidentally, Duncan Bannatyne has put his house up for sale this week.
>
> I'm guessing you expect me to recognise that name?

Well, to remember it from his earlier mentions in this thread, yes.
He owns the label that released the Reconnected single.

>>>>>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>>
>>> That argument doesn't wash - songs are regularly released on different
>>> days in the US & UK...
>>
>>I know that, although ISTM it's unusual for them to be scheduled on
>>different days in the same week. If you want to do an OAOS release you
>>pretty much have to do it the same day everywhere.
>
> I don't agree - what difference would delaying a few days until Sunday
> make?

Not a lot, but it wouldn't be OAOS then.
It seems that labels prefer to either follow the US release date or postpone
till several weeks later. Though of course some releases are brought
forward.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 at 20:09:11, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
>>>>>> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...
>>>>>
>>>>>It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.
>>>>
>>>> Well, the lyrics weren't exactly radio-friendly...
>>>
>>>Although I would strongly suspect that 'Relax' had more airplay before it
>>>made the T40 than 'One In A Million' has, certainly if you adjust for the
>>>amount of radio play available in 1983/4.
>>
>> Presumably not on the breakfast show, though. :p
>
>Whose breakfast show?

Mike Read's, of course!

>
>
>>>>>>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>>>
>>>> That argument doesn't wash - songs are regularly released on different
>>>> days in the US & UK...
>>>
>>>I know that, although ISTM it's unusual for them to be scheduled on
>>>different days in the same week. If you want to do an OAOS release you
>>>pretty much have to do it the same day everywhere.
>>
>> I don't agree - what difference would delaying a few days until Sunday
>> make?
>
>Not a lot, but it wouldn't be OAOS then.

I didn't say it *would* be.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:Qt6xGqae...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 at 20:09:11, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, FGTH were famous for multiple versions, but at least they
>>>>>>> didn't need *all* their sales combined to get them to chart...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It did take a long time to break the Top 40 though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the lyrics weren't exactly radio-friendly...
>>>>
>>>>Although I would strongly suspect that 'Relax' had more airplay before
>>>>it
>>>>made the T40 than 'One In A Million' has, certainly if you adjust for
>>>>the
>>>>amount of radio play available in 1983/4.
>>>
>>> Presumably not on the breakfast show, though. :p
>>
>>Whose breakfast show?
>
> Mike Read's, of course!

Not the only breakfast show in the country even then, though.

>>>>>>>>>>>Paramore (SIU) #56,
>>>>>>
>>>>> That argument doesn't wash - songs are regularly released on different
>>>>> days in the US & UK...
>>>>
>>>>I know that, although ISTM it's unusual for them to be scheduled on
>>>>different days in the same week. If you want to do an OAOS release you
>>>>pretty much have to do it the same day everywhere.
>>>
>>> I don't agree - what difference would delaying a few days until Sunday
>>> make?
>>
>>Not a lot, but it wouldn't be OAOS then.
>
> I didn't say it *would* be.

True, but nearly OAOS releases don't seem to be all that common. I don't
suppose they really work that well - they haven't for AlunaGeorge, arguably.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 at 10:35:41, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>

>>>>>Although I would strongly suspect that 'Relax' had more airplay before
>>>>>it
>>>>>made the T40 than 'One In A Million' has, certainly if you adjust for
>>>>>the
>>>>>amount of radio play available in 1983/4.
>>>>
>>>> Presumably not on the breakfast show, though. :p
>>>
>>>Whose breakfast show?
>>
>> Mike Read's, of course!
>
>Not the only breakfast show in the country even then, though.

Yes, but he was the only one that banned it...