Chart Commentary 2710/12

[Paul Hyett]

Singles
-------
Calvin Harris finally breaks his #2 jinx, with help from Florence.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 :
Top 10 : Lawson #6, Maroon 5 #8
Top 20 : Rebecca Ferguson #15, Disclosure #17, Justin Bieber #20
Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25, Tyler James #28
Top 40 : Jake Bugg #33, Taylor Swift (SOG) #36, Everything Everything
#37

Re-entries T40 : John Denver (AS) #38

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : PSB #44, Lumineers
#45, Woodkid #49, Asaf Avidan #58, Chase & Status #68

Re-entries T75 : Taylor Swift (LS) #55, Mary J Blige (NMD) #59, Usher
(Scr) #65, Ed S (TAT) #67, Birdy (SL) #70, BoB (SG) #71, Prince (PR) #75


Albums
------
Surprisingly, Jake Bugg beat Leona to #1.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Leona Lewis #3
Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6, Art Garfunkel #10

Top 20 : Bellowhead #16

New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Diana Krall #21, Donald Fagin
#23, Friar Alessandro #28, Godspeed #41, Lumineers #51, Martha
Wainwright #58, Placebo #65, Little Comets #70, Show Of Hands #73


Re-entries : Rebecca Ferguson #5, Rumer #44, Freddie Mercury (Barc) #47,
John Denver #63, Amy W (BTB) #67, INXS (VB) #74


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Far from obvious this time - I guess JLS must have a fair chance,
otherwise SHM or Calvin again.

Top 5 : JLS
Top 10 : Naughty Boy ft EMILE SANDE
Top 20 :
Top 30 : Bastille
Top 40 :


Albums
------
Taylor Swift must have a very good chance of getting her first UK #1
album.

Top 5 : Lawson, Swedish House Mafia
Top 10 : Daniel O'Donnell, Dappy, Dionne Warwick
Top 20 : Kate Rusby, Lady Antebellum

Others : Kendrick Lamar, Peter Gabriel, Stone Sour, Tony Bennett
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> Singles
> -------
> Calvin Harris finally breaks his #2 jinx, with help from Florence.

Florence Welch, as she's credited for the first time in her chart career - I
don't know if there are contractual reasons for that - has already topped
the charts once this year with the help of Adam Wiles, since his remix of
'Spectrum' was effectively solely responsible for its level of success. He's
also had the benefit of some luck, since it's likely (though as yet
unconfirmed) that actual sales of this single are lower than the first week
of 'We'll Be Coming Back'.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------

> Top 10 : Lawson #6,

Their third single and diminishing returns have already set in, this being
their first to fall short of the Top 5, despite getting as much promotion as
either of the first two if not more. The fact that this is also only their
seventh Top 40 week gives the impression their career might almost be over
already.

> Maroon 5 #8

A song that sounds a bit more like the indentically-titled Yellow Dog hit
than I'd have expected. But even more annoying.

> Top 20 : Rebecca Ferguson #15,

Her fourth single is only her second to chart. One reason is probably that
it's only the second to be released during X-Factor season, although the
song itself may have had something to do with it too: it doesn't stray much
from her usual formula but the writers have remembered to add a catchy
chorus for once.

> Disclosure #17,

A song that seems to have been a real grower, which at least makes more
sense to me than Otto Knows did.

>Justin Bieber #20

Featuring Nicki Minaj, although not very much. Her contribution seems to be
more about a boast for him than an integral part of the song. And because
this isn't Minaj's own single, the video has been released while still
relevant enabling this to enter the Top 75 at 20 (it made the Top 100 the
week the album was released).

> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,

You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.

>Tyler James #28

The official relaunch of his solo career, after not winning The Voice. He's
now re-signed to the label that dropped him seven years ago, and this is his
fourth Top 40 hit but his first original song since 2005. For good or ill,
it does sound like the sort of thing Justin Timberlake was doing ten years
ago.

> Top 40 : Jake Bugg #33,

His fifth single is the first to penetrate the UK Top 40 though he's already
got there in the Netherlands: he apparently also had a Top 75 hit in
Flemish-speaking Belgium. It probably would have happened a week earlier had
the digital single not been deleted. This was presumably done in an effort
to push the album. SPOILER: It worked.

> Taylor Swift (SOG) #36,

In a reversal of the trend so far, the last of the promo singles from her
new album is the least successful. It's probably the least interesting too,
although it's unclear how many people would have known that in advance.
It has of course still outcharted most of her pre-2012 singles here.

> Everything Everything #37

Their first Top 40 (and indeed Top 120) single is the first taster from
their second album and apparently represents a conscious attempt to make
their sound more pop-friendly, though it's hardly a conventional sounding
track. Interestingly, both the band name and song title consist of a single
word repeated.

> Re-entries T40 : John Denver (AS) #38

This was rubbish in the Seventies and it's rubbish now. But apparently it's
in an advert so nobody cares whether it's any good.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : PSB #44,

It's easy to forget that until as recently as three years ago, they had an
unbroken run of Top 30 hits, stretching right the way back to their third
single, the re-release of 'West End Girls'. Since then, they best they've
done is the Number 40 peak of their Christmas EP in 2009 and this has
followed the pattern of most of their recent releases: saturation airplay on
Radio 2 and sales only to the most devoted of fans. It's not that bad of a
song actually, certainly an improvement on the awful Olympic cash-in that
was 'Winner'.

> Lumineers #45,

I believe this is in an advert. Well, it's in the charts and it wasn't
produced by David Guetta or Calvin Harris so I'd normally assume that.

>Woodkid #49,

I know this is in one. It has been for some time but I can only guess that
X-Factor is leading to more people seeing the advert.

>Asaf Avidan #58,

As far as I know this isn't being used in any sort of advertising but it (or
at least the Wankelmut remix) is a sleeper hit.

>Chase & Status #68

A collaboration with their regular singer Liam Bailey, which is available as
a free MP3. Evidently there are enough people out there who either don't
know that or don't want to give the record company their e-mail address.

> Re-entries T75 : Taylor Swift (LS) #55,

Still officially her biggest hit so I guess it was bound to get the
second-hand boost from XF.

>Mary J Blige (NMD) #59,

Speaking of which, this was sung by somebody on there.
When originally released in 2002 it was her third UK Top 10 hit (and only
her second with an original song) in contrast to her string of massive US
hits. It was also the title track of an album she released in 2001, which
one critic at the time said wasn't really a great thing for a soul singer to
be calling a record.

>Usher (Scr) #65,

Apparently he's still in denial about how much this has underperformed.
Likely as not there'll be a repackage of his album by about March.

> Ed S (TAT) #67,

Coincidentally, Lawson did a cover version of this which was available only
to fans who pre-ordered the bundle of their single. Well, they couldn't
check whether you were actually a fan, but I think it's a safe assumption.

>Birdy (SL) #70,

ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

> BoB (SG) #71,

This is also a pretty boring song and not even an especially popular one.
I've no idea where the boost has come from.

>Prince (PR) #75

To their credit, the OCC have correctly credited this to Prince & The
Revolution. No criticism implied of anyone else, I was just short of things
to say about this record recharting yet again.

> Albums
> ------
> Surprisingly, Jake Bugg beat Leona to #1.

If that was ever surprising, it wasn't by the middle of the week. My
prediction as of Wednesday night was 1.Mumfords 2. Bugg 3. Lewis so I
suppose I was partly right.
Anyway, Bugg (whose real name is apparently Jake Kennedy) becomes one of the
youngest male performers ever to enter the album chart at 1 (exactly where
he ranks depends on his precise birth date, apparently). It's the first
untitled/self-titled album to top the chart since Noel Gallagher's High
Flying Birds this time last year, or if you don't count that since JLS in
2009. YouTube users will have seen the adverts for his "unmistakeable"
talent, whether or not they agree. Several of the tracks, including the
current single, were co-written by Iain Archer who also co-wrote Snow
Patrol's hit (and Leona Lewis's Number One!) 'Run'.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Leona Lewis #3

The long-delayed third album finally arrives, under executive producer
Fraser T. Smith who, as Reggie Yates put it last week, has worked with
"everyone from Adele to everyone else". Smith also co-produced several
tracks himself and is responsible for the more electronic sound of this
record.
The deluxe double CD adds three acoustic versions, plus her cover of the
Counting Crows song 'Colorblind' (previously a B-side to the non-album
single 'Hurt') and a remix of her Top 5 hit 'Collide', which is otherwise
absent from the album.

> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,

Natasha Khan's third album had attracted attention well before release
thanks to its artwork which, as most will know by now, depicts her and a
male model entirely unclothed. The musical style is supposed to be somewhat
more stripped-down as well; it includes the forthcoming single 'All Your
Gold'.
None of this was quite enough to get her a second Top 5 appearance.

>Art Garfunkel #10

I don't know whether calling this The Singer is an intentional dig a Paul
Simon's recent retrospective Songwriter, but either way it's done vastly
better chart-wise. The 34 tracks over 2CDs combine Simon & Garfunkel faves
(including the reunion single 'My Little Town') with material from his solo
career, including both the Number Ones and two newly-recorded tracks. There
are also duets with Amy Grant, and, unfortunately, James Taylor.

> Top 20 : Bellowhead #16

Their last album was apparently the biggest-selling independently-released
traditional folk album ever, but whatever commercial pressures there might
have been for the follow-up haven't led to a bid for the Mumford & Sons
crossover market. Although they've returned to producer John Leckie, better
known for working with Radiohead, Muse, Stone Roses et al, 11 of the 12
tracks (or 13 out of 14 on the deluxe download) are new arrangements of old
public-domain folk songs. These include 'The Old Dun Cow', already covered
by the Futureheads earlier this year.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Diana Krall #21,

Tenth album from the Canadian jazz singer and songwriter - though she's done
none of the latter on this one, it's all covers; apparently the originals
were mostly from her father's collection of 78s. I'm not sure whether
there's some artistic reason for her posing in her undies for the cover or
whether she's just desperate. The four bonus tracks on the deluxe are two
more songs and two alternative versions.

>Donald Fagin #23,

The fourth solo album from the more popular founding member of Steely Dan is
supposed to be a "new chapter", his previous three having apparently formed
a "very gradual" trilogy. There are eight new self-penned songs and a cover
of the Isaac Hayes number 'Out Of The Ghetto'.

>Friar Alessandro #28,

Latest off the classical/religious crossover bandwagon, he is indeed a
Franciscan friar called Alessandro, from a monastery in Assisi itself. He
has unsurpisingly promised to give his proceeds to charity.
Unusually in this style, there seems to be a deluxe download version with
extra songs and a track-by-track video.

> Godspeed #41,

Return of Canada's top experimental post-rock act Godspeed You Black
Emperor! with their first album since 2002. 'Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend!
(a typical Godspeed title) was first sold without advance notice at a
concert in Boston on the first of the month, and this week became available
through more conventional distribution around the world. The four tracks
here have a total duration of 53 minutes and are available on a CD, a
download bundle or a combined 12" and 7" vinyl set. It's their fourth
full-length album (not counting the limited edition debut cassette All
Lights Fucked On The Hairy Amp Drooling), but only the second to trouble the
UK chart after 2000's Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! See
what I mean about the titles?

> Lumineers #51,

Seemingly charting on import as the official UK release date isn't until the
fifth of November.

>Martha Wainwright #58,

The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and the
second to feature a naked woman on the cover. Come Home To Mama is her third
studio album and first since 2008: in the meantime her mother Kate
McGarrigle has died although not before Wainwright herself had a child (born
here in London in fact). McGarrigle also wrote one of the songs on this
album. Coincidentally, her last album featured a guest appearance by the
aforementioned Donald Fagen.
A special edition of this adds three acoustic demo versions.

> Placebo #65,

The curiously-titled B3 EP is their first new release since 2009 and their
first for new label Mercury: it's a five-track set, and less than half as
long as the Godspeed album, possibly because record companies have worked
out you can charge more than half the price of a full album for it. A proper
album is due in 2013.

> Little Comets #70,

The perhaps unfortunately-titled Life Is Elsewhere fails even to match the
Number 54 of their last album in early 2011. They seem to have struggled to
build an audience beyond what they already had.

>Show Of Hands #73

In their 20 years together the English folk duo have sold out the Royal
Albert Hall four times though their records have struggled to match the
success of their live performances. This latest set includes guest
appearances from many well-known names on the folk circuit and guitarist BJ
Cole.
Perhaps Radio 2 picked the wrong week to fire their folk show presenter?

> Re-entries : Rebecca Ferguson #5,

You wouldn't normally expect an album to re-enter this high without a
re-release, and this is no exception; although it's remarkable that an album
that's been outside the Top 75 for months can generate this much extra
demand with five bonus tracks: these naturally include 'Backtrack' was well
as a cover of Aqualung's hit 'Strange And Beautiful'.

> Rumer #44,

Didn't even notice this. Which is usual for her music.
Hang on a minute - the OCC website says Number 44 is Squeeze's Greatest
Hits?

>Freddie Mercury (Barc) #47,

Another album that has been re-released: but that was over a month ago so it
obviously owes this chart entry to a documentary about him on the telly
earlier this week. As it happens, this week is the 24th anniversary of its
chart debut though (see my old chart thread).

> John Denver #63,

Previous peak I can see for this is 79. It seems to be another cheapo 3CD
box set

> Amy W (BTB) #67,

OCC site says Lioness.

>INXS (VB) #74

As it happens, this also peaked at 79, only last week. It was not a major
success on its initial release last year, they don't seem to be that big a
catalogue act.
It's charting now thanks to a combination of discounting and the revival of
'Never Tear Us Apart'.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Far from obvious this time - I guess JLS must have a fair chance,
> otherwise SHM or Calvin again.

Calvin already seems to be out of the race. JLS might although I think
they're a bit of a spent force now. So it's between SHM and the last minute
challenge of Labrinth featuring Emeli Sande.

> Top 5 : JLS

They could make the Top 3 still.

> Top 10 : Naughty Boy ft EMILE SANDE

If you're going to spell people's names wrong, it's less obvious when it's
not in capitals. I guess the prediction's about right, although I can
remember when this was tipped as a possible chart-topper.

> Top 30 : Bastille

Yeah, this seems to have gained some momentum from somewhere.

> Albums
> ------
> Taylor Swift must have a very good chance of getting her first UK #1
> album.

She must indeed.

> Top 5 : Lawson,

Low as sales have been this year, I wouldn't bank on it. I'm pretty sure
they'll got T10 at least.

>Swedish House Mafia

This will be in the compilations chart though.

> Top 10 : Daniel O'Donnell,

He usually gets there.

>Dappy,

Odd timing here, there doesn't seem to have been much hype around it.

>Dionne Warwick

And this is a strange release, another set of re-recorded hits. She's
promoting it but does she have as much fanbase as ELO?

> Top 20 : Kate Rusby,

You do realise 20 is just the title of the album, right? :P
It's to be hoped that this will do well, but she's never even had a Top 30
album before and doesn't always make the Top 100.

> Lady Antebellum

Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't out
until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this early.

> Others : Kendrick Lamar,

I'd guess so.

>Peter Gabriel,

Looking at the success of the Graceland reissue this seems possible,
although this isn't as appealing a package to people who've already got the
album.

>Stone Sour,

Agreed.

>Tony Bennett

I think so - there aren't many people on here known to a British audience
(apart from him).

Also, Andy Burrows has some chart history (though not under his own name)
and R2 support; ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead were slightly
successful around the turn of the century.
Repackages this week: Emeli Sande's helpfully added both her collaborations
and other tracks, so she could be a challenge to Swift. The Maverick Sabre
one now seems to be due tomorrow and Palmoa Faith has tacked on the INXS
cover.

Chris
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[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 at 01:20:22, Chris Brown
<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Calvin Harris finally breaks his #2 jinx, with help from Florence.
>
>Florence Welch, as she's credited for the first time in her chart
>career - I don't know if there are contractual reasons for that

I could have sworn I'd seen her credited that way, before?

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Lawson #6,
>
>Their third single and diminishing returns have already set in, this
>being their first to fall short of the Top 5, despite getting as much
>promotion as either of the first two if not more. The fact that this is
>also only their seventh Top 40 week gives the impression their career
>might almost be over already.

We can only hope...

>
>> Maroon 5 #8
>
>A song that sounds a bit more like the indentically-titled Yellow Dog
>hit than I'd have expected.

I wouldn't know.

>
>> Top 20 : Rebecca Ferguson #15,
>
>Her fourth single is only her second to chart. One reason is probably
>that it's only the second to be released during X-Factor season

How cynical. :p

>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>
>You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.

I'd have been gladder if it had not turned up at all...

>
>>Tyler James #28
>
>The official relaunch of his solo career, after not winning The Voice.
>He's now re-signed to the label that dropped him seven years ago, and
>this is his fourth Top 40 hit but his first original song since 2005.

I don't remember him from then at all!

>
>> Top 40 : Jake Bugg #33,
>
>His fifth single is the first to penetrate the UK Top 40 though he's
>already got there in the Netherlands: he apparently also had a Top 75
>hit in Flemish-speaking Belgium. It probably would have happened a week
>earlier had the digital single not been deleted. This was presumably
>done in an effort to push the album. SPOILER: It worked.

I'm not sure how that is a spoiler?

>
>> Taylor Swift (SOG) #36,
>
>In a reversal of the trend so far, the last of the promo singles from
>her new album is the least successful. It's probably the least
>interesting too, although it's unclear how many people would have known
>that in advance.

I suspect close proximity to the album release hurt it more than
anything else.

>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : PSB #44,
>
>It's easy to forget that until as recently as three years ago, they had
>an unbroken run of Top 30 hits, stretching right the way back to their
>third single, the re-release of 'West End Girls'. Since then, they best
>they've done is the Number 40 peak of their Christmas EP in 2009 and
>this has followed the pattern of most of their recent releases:
>saturation airplay on Radio 2 and sales only to the most devoted of fans.

The demise of physical formats has hit them harder than most.

>
>> Lumineers #45,
>
>I believe this is in an advert.

I have no idea.

>
>> Re-entries T75 : Taylor Swift (LS) #55,
>
>Still officially her biggest hit so I guess it was bound to get the
>second-hand boost from XF.

Not to mention the 59p treatment.

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Surprisingly, Jake Bugg beat Leona to #1.
>
>If that was ever surprising, it wasn't by the middle of the week. My
>prediction as of Wednesday night was 1.Mumfords 2. Bugg 3. Lewis so I
>suppose I was partly right.

The fact that Mumford beat Leona to #2, suggests sales last week were
decidedly low.

>Anyway, Bugg (whose real name is apparently Jake Kennedy) becomes one
>of the youngest male performers ever to enter the album chart at 1
>(exactly where he ranks depends on his precise birth date, apparently).

Obviously. :P

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 5 : Leona Lewis #3
>

>The deluxe double CD adds three acoustic versions, plus her cover of
>the Counting Crows song 'Colorblind' (previously a B-side to the
>non-album single 'Hurt') and a remix of her Top 5 hit 'Collide', which
>is otherwise absent from the album.

Odd.

>
>> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,
>
>Natasha Khan's third album had attracted attention well before release
>thanks to its artwork which, as most will know by now, depicts her and
>a male model entirely unclothed. The musical style is supposed to be
>somewhat more stripped-down as well; it includes the forthcoming single
>'All Your Gold'.
>None of this was quite enough to get her a second Top 5 appearance.

Disappointingly.

>
>>Art Garfunkel #10
>
>I don't know whether calling this The Singer is an intentional dig a
>Paul Simon's recent retrospective Songwriter, but either way it's done
>vastly better chart-wise.

It seemed to do recover strongly, after a slow start.

>
>> Top 20 : Bellowhead #16
>
>Their last album was apparently the biggest-selling
>independently-released traditional folk album ever

And there's so much competition in that category? 8)

>
>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Diana Krall #21,
>
>Tenth album from the Canadian jazz singer

To me, jazz means saxophone, so how you sing like one of those is a
mystery... :p

>I'm not sure whether there's some artistic reason for her posing in her
>undies for the cover

Well, she's attractive, so why not!

> or whether she's just desperate.

Less so than Bat For Lashes, perhaps... :)

>
>>Donald Fagin #23,
>
>The fourth solo album from the more popular founding member of Steely
>Dan

Ah.

>
>> Godspeed #41,
>
>Return of Canada's top experimental post-rock act Godspeed You Black
>Emperor! with their first album since 2002.

As usual, I had no idea they'd released *anything* before.

>
>> Lumineers #51,
>
>Seemingly charting on import as the official UK release date isn't
>until the fifth of November.

#51 is quite high, if that's the case.

>
>>Martha Wainwright #58,
>
>The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and
>the second to feature a naked woman on the cover.

I think the word naked should be in quotes, though.

>
>> Little Comets #70,
>
>The perhaps unfortunately-titled Life Is Elsewhere fails even to match
>the Number 54 of their last album in early 2011. They seem to have
>struggled to build an audience beyond what they already had.

Or even retain *that*.

>
>>Show Of Hands #73
>
>In their 20 years together

Huh?

Someone else I've never heard of before, that have apparently been
around for ages... :o

>
>> Re-entries : Rebecca Ferguson #5,
>
>You wouldn't normally expect an album to re-enter this high without a
>re-release, and this is no exception; although it's remarkable that an
>album that's been outside the Top 75 for months can generate this much
>extra demand with five bonus tracks

Agreed.

>: these naturally include 'Backtrack' was well as a cover of Aqualung's
>hit 'Strange And Beautiful'.
>
>> Rumer #44,
>
>Didn't even notice this. Which is usual for her music.
>Hang on a minute - the OCC website says Number 44 is Squeeze's Greatest
>Hits?
>

My bad - the OCC's number font is easy to misread at a casual glance.

>
>> John Denver #63,
>
>Previous peak I can see for this is 79.

I don't usually check, where low re-entries are concerned.

>
>> Amy W (BTB) #67,
>
>OCC site says Lioness.

Damn - that's two!

No wait - I just wrote the wrong album name this time - my spreadsheet
is correct.

>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Far from obvious this time - I guess JLS must have a fair chance,
>>otherwise SHM or Calvin again.
>
>Calvin already seems to be out of the race. JLS might although I think
>they're a bit of a spent force now. So it's between SHM and the last
>minute challenge of Labrinth featuring Emeli Sande.

I wouldn't call 'Sunday evening' last minute, but I was astonished to
see it appear at #1 from absolutely nowhere, on iTunes this morning!

>
>> Top 5 : JLS
>
>They could make the Top 3 still.

Who cares. :p

>
>> Top 30 : Bastille
>
>Yeah, this seems to have gained some momentum from somewhere.

Yet another song I didn't know existed, until it charted.

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Taylor Swift must have a very good chance of getting her first UK #1
>>album.
>
>She must indeed.

Fingers crossed - after all, Ellie got surprisingly thwarted...

>
>>Swedish House Mafia
>
>This will be in the compilations chart though.

It will?

>
>>Dappy,
>
>Odd timing here, there doesn't seem to have been much hype around it.

Given how rap albums usually do here, hype would probably just be wasted
anyway.

>
>> Top 20 : Kate Rusby,
>
>You do realise 20 is just the title of the album, right? :P
>It's to be hoped that this will do well, but she's never even had a Top
>30 album before and doesn't always make the Top 100.

All kinds of strange things have been happening in the album chart this
year, though...

>
>> Lady Antebellum
>
>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't
>out until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they
>big enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20
>this early.

I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>
>> Others :

>
> ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead were slightly successful
>around the turn of the century.

Too long a name for me to type into a prediction thread... :p

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 at 01:20:22, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Calvin Harris finally breaks his #2 jinx, with help from Florence.
>>
>>Florence Welch, as she's credited for the first time in her chart career -
>>I don't know if there are contractual reasons for that
>
> I could have sworn I'd seen her credited that way, before?

I daresay she's been credited on something as that, since it is her name,
but she's never charted without the Machine before (not even on 'You Got The
Dirtee Love').

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Lawson #6,
>>
>>Their third single and diminishing returns have already set in, this being
>>their first to fall short of the Top 5, despite getting as much promotion
>>as either of the first two if not more. The fact that this is also only
>>their seventh Top 40 week gives the impression their career might almost
>>be over already.
>
> We can only hope...

Trouble is they don't really make any sense, they're insistent that they're
a serious rock act but they're marketed as a boy band.

>>> Maroon 5 #8
>>
>>A song that sounds a bit more like the indentically-titled Yellow Dog hit
>>than I'd have expected.
>
> I wouldn't know.

I doubt Maroon 5 would either, it's just coincidence.

>>> Top 20 : Rebecca Ferguson #15,
>>
>>Her fourth single is only her second to chart. One reason is probably that
>>it's only the second to be released during X-Factor season
>
> How cynical. :p

Well, it's called promotion for a reason.
I see from the MW report that she's actually had five tracks make the Top
200, but I don't think the other one was an official single.

>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>
>>You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.
>
> I'd have been gladder if it had not turned up at all...

What if he'd released the ballad instead?

>>>Tyler James #28
>>
>>The official relaunch of his solo career, after not winning The Voice.
>>He's now re-signed to the label that dropped him seven years ago, and this
>>is his fourth Top 40 hit but his first original song since 2005.
>
> I don't remember him from then at all!

That might be why he got dropped. Not because of you personally, of course,
but because he didn't make that much of an impact. His album was supposedly
never even released n CD until this year.

>>> Top 40 : Jake Bugg #33,
>>
>>His fifth single is the first to penetrate the UK Top 40 though he's
>>already got there in the Netherlands: he apparently also had a Top 75 hit
>>in Flemish-speaking Belgium. It probably would have happened a week
>>earlier had the digital single not been deleted. This was presumably done
>>in an effort to push the album. SPOILER: It worked.
>
> I'm not sure how that is a spoiler?

Well, it gives away what I'm about to say on the album chart.

>>> Taylor Swift (SOG) #36,
>>
>>In a reversal of the trend so far, the last of the promo singles from her
>>new album is the least successful. It's probably the least interesting
>>too, although it's unclear how many people would have known that in
>>advance.
>
> I suspect close proximity to the album release hurt it more than anything
> else.

Hurt it more than last week's track as well, whch is odd.

>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : PSB #44,
>>
>>It's easy to forget that until as recently as three years ago, they had an
>>unbroken run of Top 30 hits, stretching right the way back to their third
>>single, the re-release of 'West End Girls'. Since then, they best they've
>>done is the Number 40 peak of their Christmas EP in 2009 and this has
>>followed the pattern of most of their recent releases: saturation airplay
>>on Radio 2 and sales only to the most devoted of fans.
>
> The demise of physical formats has hit them harder than most.

ITYM that the popularity of digital formats (for other acts) has: this sold
2500 eligible physicals and there was a time when that would have put them
Top 40.

>>> Lumineers #45,
>>
>>I believe this is in an advert.
>
> I have no idea.

Like I said, it's not the sort of thing that would normally chart otherwise.

>>> Re-entries T75 : Taylor Swift (LS) #55,
>>
>>Still officially her biggest hit so I guess it was bound to get the
>>second-hand boost from XF.
>
> Not to mention the 59p treatment.

Which I ddn't mention because it's been like that for weeks.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Surprisingly, Jake Bugg beat Leona to #1.
>>
>>If that was ever surprising, it wasn't by the middle of the week. My
>>prediction as of Wednesday night was 1.Mumfords 2. Bugg 3. Lewis so I
>>suppose I was partly right.
>
> The fact that Mumford beat Leona to #2, suggests sales last week were
> decidedly low.

Well, hers were anyway.

>>Anyway, Bugg (whose real name is apparently Jake Kennedy) becomes one of
>>the youngest male performers ever to enter the album chart at 1 (exactly
>>where he ranks depends on his precise birth date, apparently).
>
> Obviously. :P

But I don't don't know his.
AFAIK the youngest male ever to top the album chart in his own right was
Neil Reid, but he didn't enter at that position.

> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 5 : Leona Lewis #3
>>
>>The deluxe double CD adds three acoustic versions, plus her cover of the
>>Counting Crows song 'Colorblind' (previously a B-side to the non-album
>>single 'Hurt') and a remix of her Top 5 hit 'Collide', which is otherwise
>>absent from the album.
>
> Odd.

I presume the record company wanted to bury it after it "underperformed".

>>> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,
>>
>>Natasha Khan's third album had attracted attention well before release
>>thanks to its artwork which, as most will know by now, depicts her and a
>>male model entirely unclothed. The musical style is supposed to be
>>somewhat more stripped-down as well; it includes the forthcoming single
>>'All Your Gold'.
>>None of this was quite enough to get her a second Top 5 appearance.
>
> Disappointingly.

Way behind her last one on sales too.

>>>Art Garfunkel #10
>>
>>I don't know whether calling this The Singer is an intentional dig a Paul
>>Simon's recent retrospective Songwriter, but either way it's done vastly
>>better chart-wise.
>
> It seemed to do recover strongly, after a slow start.

Even that slow start was much better than the Paul Simon one did though.

>>> Top 20 : Bellowhead #16
>>
>>Their last album was apparently the biggest-selling independently-released
>>traditional folk album ever
>
> And there's so much competition in that category? 8)

There have been vast numbers of independently-released folk albums, of
course.

>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Diana Krall #21,
>>
>>Tenth album from the Canadian jazz singer
>
> To me, jazz means saxophone, so how you sing like one of those is a
> mystery... :p

So Madness are a jazz band now?

>>I'm not sure whether there's some artistic reason for her posing in her
>>undies for the cover
>
> Well, she's attractive, so why not!

Not in that shot she isn't, it looks creepy. I just don't know whether it's
supposed to.

>> or whether she's just desperate.
>
> Less so than Bat For Lashes, perhaps... :)

Probably richer.

>>>Donald Fagin #23,
>>
>>The fourth solo album from the more popular founding member of Steely Dan
>
> Ah.

Walter Becker has released a couple of solo albums but never charted.

>>> Godspeed #41,
>>
>>Return of Canada's top experimental post-rock act Godspeed You Black
>>Emperor! with their first album since 2002.
>
> As usual, I had no idea they'd released *anything* before.

I wasn't expecting you even to know they'd released this.

>>> Lumineers #51,
>>
>>Seemingly charting on import as the official UK release date isn't until
>>the fifth of November.
>
> #51 is quite high, if that's the case.

It is, I suppose it could have been released early on download.

>>>Martha Wainwright #58,
>>
>>The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and the
>>second to feature a naked woman on the cover.
>
> I think the word naked should be in quotes, though.

Why? She evidently isn't wearing anything.

>>> Little Comets #70,
>>
>>The perhaps unfortunately-titled Life Is Elsewhere fails even to match the
>>Number 54 of their last album in early 2011. They seem to have struggled
>>to build an audience beyond what they already had.
>
> Or even retain *that*.

Is a Number 70 in October really selling much less than a 54 in January?

>>>Show Of Hands #73
>>
>>In their 20 years together
>
> Huh?



> Someone else I've never heard of before, that have apparently been around
> for ages... :o

They have but like most folk acts, they're little-known outside the circuit.
If anything, they've probably had less mainstream attention than Godspeed,
who at least get coverage in the conventional music press.

>>> Re-entries : Rebecca Ferguson #5,
>>
>>You wouldn't normally expect an album to re-enter this high without a
>>re-release, and this is no exception; although it's remarkable that an
>>album that's been outside the Top 75 for months can generate this much
>>extra demand with five bonus tracks
>
> Agreed.

Another credit to the new single I suppose.

>>> Rumer #44,
>>
>>Didn't even notice this. Which is usual for her music.
>>Hang on a minute - the OCC website says Number 44 is Squeeze's Greatest
>>Hits?
>>
> My bad - the OCC's number font is easy to misread at a casual glance.

44 is usually between 43 and 45...

>>> John Denver #63,
>>
>>Previous peak I can see for this is 79.
>
> I don't usually check, where low re-entries are concerned.

But this isn't a re-entry at all, in T75 terms.

>>> Amy W (BTB) #67,
>>
>>OCC site says Lioness.
>
> Damn - that's two!
>
> No wait - I just wrote the wrong album name this time - my spreadsheet is
> correct.

I presume this has been selling fairly consistently over the last three
weeks and just buffetted by fluctuations in the rest of the chart.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Far from obvious this time - I guess JLS must have a fair chance,
>>> otherwise SHM or Calvin again.
>>
>>Calvin already seems to be out of the race. JLS might although I think
>>they're a bit of a spent force now. So it's between SHM and the last
>>minute challenge of Labrinth featuring Emeli Sande.
>
> I wouldn't call 'Sunday evening' last minute,

It's a fair point, but I thought of it as the last minute before I wrote
those prediction.

>but I was astonished to see
> it appear at #1 from absolutely nowhere, on iTunes this morning!

90 isn't strictly speaking nowhere, but it's still a big jump.

>>> Top 5 : JLS
>>
>>They could make the Top 3 still.
>
> Who cares. :p

Sony?

>>> Top 30 : Bastille
>>
>>Yeah, this seems to have gained some momentum from somewhere.
>
> Yet another song I didn't know existed, until it charted.

Technically, it hasn't yet.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Taylor Swift must have a very good chance of getting her first UK #1
>>> album.
>>
>>She must indeed.
>
> Fingers crossed - after all, Ellie got surprisingly thwarted...

But if Taylor Swift gets thwarted, people other than you might be surprised.
:P
I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.

>>>Swedish House Mafia
>>
>>This will be in the compilations chart though.
>
> It will?

Yes, because like their previous album it features various artists.

>>>Dappy,
>>
>>Odd timing here, there doesn't seem to have been much hype around it.
>
> Given how rap albums usually do here, hype would probably just be wasted
> anyway.

Would you honestly expect Dappy to believe that though?
In any case, two of the N-Dubz albums made the Top 10 and the other one
peaked at 11, so there's obviously some market.

>>> Top 20 : Kate Rusby,
>>
>>You do realise 20 is just the title of the album, right? :P
>>It's to be hoped that this will do well, but she's never even had a Top 30
>>album before and doesn't always make the Top 100.
>
> All kinds of strange things have been happening in the album chart this
> year, though...

Well, low sales have been happening.

>>> Lady Antebellum
>>
>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't out
>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>early.
>
> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?

Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess. I think they might struggle
to sell an album without 'Need You Now' on it anyway.

>>> Others :
>>
>> ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead were slightly successful
>> around the turn of the century.
>
> Too long a name for me to type into a prediction thread... :p

You can call them Trail Of Dead for short. I guess people find that easier
than ...AYWKUBTTOD.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 at 21:58:05, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Calvin Harris finally breaks his #2 jinx, with help from Florence.
>>>
>>>Florence Welch, as she's credited for the first time in her chart career -
>>>I don't know if there are contractual reasons for that
>>
>> I could have sworn I'd seen her credited that way, before?
>
>I daresay she's been credited on something as that, since it is her name,
>but she's never charted without the Machine before (not even on 'You Got The
>Dirtee Love').

Oh, right.

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Lawson #6,
>>>
>>>Their third single and diminishing returns have already set in, this being
>>>their first to fall short of the Top 5, despite getting as much promotion
>>>as either of the first two if not more. The fact that this is also only
>>>their seventh Top 40 week gives the impression their career might almost
>>>be over already.
>>
>> We can only hope...
>
>Trouble is they don't really make any sense, they're insistent that they're
>a serious rock act but they're marketed as a boy band.

And end up not working as either?

>
>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>
>>>You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.
>>
>> I'd have been gladder if it had not turned up at all...
>
>What if he'd released the ballad instead?

It would have sounded the same to me.

>
>>>> Top 40 : Jake Bugg #33,
>>>
>>>His fifth single is the first to penetrate the UK Top 40 though he's
>>>already got there in the Netherlands: he apparently also had a Top 75 hit
>>>in Flemish-speaking Belgium. It probably would have happened a week
>>>earlier had the digital single not been deleted. This was presumably done
>>>in an effort to push the album. SPOILER: It worked.
>>
>> I'm not sure how that is a spoiler?
>
>Well, it gives away what I'm about to say on the album chart.

OK, but it seems unlikely that anyone who reads this would use it as
their initial/only source of chart info.

>
>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : PSB #44,
>>>
>>>It's easy to forget that until as recently as three years ago, they had an
>>>unbroken run of Top 30 hits, stretching right the way back to their third
>>>single, the re-release of 'West End Girls'. Since then, they best they've
>>>done is the Number 40 peak of their Christmas EP in 2009 and this has
>>>followed the pattern of most of their recent releases: saturation airplay
>>>on Radio 2 and sales only to the most devoted of fans.
>>
>> The demise of physical formats has hit them harder than most.
>
>ITYM that the popularity of digital formats (for other acts) has: this sold
>2500 eligible physicals and there was a time when that would have put them
>Top 40.

Except that the other acts would also have physical sales in that
case...

>
>>>> Lumineers #45,
>>>
>>>I believe this is in an advert.
>>
>> I have no idea.
>
>Like I said, it's not the sort of thing that would normally chart otherwise.

Given that I haven't heard it, I wouldn't know...

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------

>
>>>Anyway, Bugg (whose real name is apparently Jake Kennedy) becomes one of
>>>the youngest male performers ever to enter the album chart at 1 (exactly
>>>where he ranks depends on his precise birth date, apparently).
>>
>> Obviously. :P
>
>But I don't don't know his.

But *you* wouldn't have to, if, as I suspect, you pulled that snippet
from somewhere else? :p
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>

>>>> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,
>>>
>>>Natasha Khan's third album had attracted attention well before release
>>>thanks to its artwork which, as most will know by now, depicts her and a
>>>male model entirely unclothed. The musical style is supposed to be
>>>somewhat more stripped-down as well; it includes the forthcoming single
>>>'All Your Gold'.
>>>None of this was quite enough to get her a second Top 5 appearance.
>>
>> Disappointingly.
>
>Way behind her last one on sales too.

But IIRC, the lead single from the last one got rather more promo.

>
>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>

>>>>Martha Wainwright #58,
>>>
>>>The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and the
>>>second to feature a naked woman on the cover.
>>
>> I think the word naked should be in quotes, though.
>
>Why? She evidently isn't wearing anything.

But you can't *see* anything - only if you *can*, does it count as
naked, in my book.

>
>>>> Re-entries : Rebecca Ferguson #5,
>>>
>>>You wouldn't normally expect an album to re-enter this high without a
>>>re-release, and this is no exception; although it's remarkable that an
>>>album that's been outside the Top 75 for months can generate this much
>>>extra demand with five bonus tracks
>>
>> Agreed.
>
>Another credit to the new single I suppose.

Of course, it might just be that stocks of the original album were run
down, in order to 'persuade' people to buy the new one?

Yes, they could have downloaded it - but clearly they haven't been.

>
>>>> Rumer #44,
>>>
>>>Didn't even notice this. Which is usual for her music.
>>>Hang on a minute - the OCC website says Number 44 is Squeeze's Greatest
>>>Hits?
>>>
>> My bad - the OCC's number font is easy to misread at a casual glance.
>
>44 is usually between 43 and 45...

The font for current week's position is clear, but for 'last week', it
isn't - and that's what I look for when updating.

>
>>>> John Denver #63,
>>>
>>>Previous peak I can see for this is 79.
>>
>> I don't usually check, where low re-entries are concerned.
>
>But this isn't a re-entry at all, in T75 terms.

In which case I'd be even *less* likely to check, since it clearly
wasn't new.

>
>>>> Amy W (BTB) #67,
>>>
>>>OCC site says Lioness.
>>
>> Damn - that's two!
>>
>> No wait - I just wrote the wrong album name this time - my spreadsheet is
>> correct.
>
>I presume this has been selling fairly consistently over the last three
>weeks and just buffetted by fluctuations in the rest of the chart.

Probably.

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------

>>> So it's between SHM and the last
>>>minute challenge of Labrinth featuring Emeli Sande.
>>
>> I wouldn't call 'Sunday evening' last minute,
>
>It's a fair point, but I thought of it as the last minute before I
>wrote those prediction.

Of course, my commentary was written *before* it's XF boost, though.

>
>>>> Top 30 : Bastille
>>>
>>>Yeah, this seems to have gained some momentum from somewhere.
>>
>> Yet another song I didn't know existed, until it charted.
>
>Technically, it hasn't yet.

On iTunes, I mean.

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Taylor Swift must have a very good chance of getting her first UK #1
>>>> album.
>>>
>>>She must indeed.
>>
>> Fingers crossed - after all, Ellie got surprisingly thwarted...
>
>But if Taylor Swift gets thwarted, people other than you might be
>surprised. :P
>I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.

I'd be surprised if even she could manage to 400%+ sales increase she'd
need.

>
>>>>Swedish House Mafia
>>>
>>>This will be in the compilations chart though.
>>
>> It will?
>
>Yes, because like their previous album it features various artists.

Then listing the artist as 'Swedish House Mafia' is rather misleading...

>
>>>>Dappy,
>>>
>>>Odd timing here, there doesn't seem to have been much hype around it.
>>
>> Given how rap albums usually do here, hype would probably just be wasted
>> anyway.
>
>Would you honestly expect Dappy to believe that though?

You have a point.

>In any case, two of the N-Dubz albums made the Top 10 and the other one
>peaked at 11, so there's obviously some market.

Maybe they sold mainly because Tulisa is reasonably attractive? :p

>
>>>> Lady Antebellum
>>>
>>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't out
>>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
>>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>>early.
>>
>> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>
>Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess.

That could refer to any date from Dec 1st to Feb 28th (or 29th). :p

> I think they might struggle to sell an album without 'Need You Now' on
>it anyway.
>

Well, they're unlikely to have a better chance...

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 at 21:58:05, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Lawson #6,
>>>>
>>>>Their third single and diminishing returns have already set in, this
>>>>being
>>>>their first to fall short of the Top 5, despite getting as much
>>>>promotion
>>>>as either of the first two if not more. The fact that this is also only
>>>>their seventh Top 40 week gives the impression their career might almost
>>>>be over already.
>>>
>>> We can only hope...
>>
>>Trouble is they don't really make any sense, they're insistent that
>>they're
>>a serious rock act but they're marketed as a boy band.
>
> And end up not working as either?

Exactly.

>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>>
>>>>You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.
>>>
>>> I'd have been gladder if it had not turned up at all...
>>
>>What if he'd released the ballad instead?
>
> It would have sounded the same to me.

I'd argue the one thing that even his worst singles to date have in their
favour is the lack of slushiness.

>>>>> Top 40 : Jake Bugg #33,
>>>>
>>>>His fifth single is the first to penetrate the UK Top 40 though he's
>>>>already got there in the Netherlands: he apparently also had a Top 75
>>>>hit
>>>>in Flemish-speaking Belgium. It probably would have happened a week
>>>>earlier had the digital single not been deleted. This was presumably
>>>>done
>>>>in an effort to push the album. SPOILER: It worked.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how that is a spoiler?
>>
>>Well, it gives away what I'm about to say on the album chart.
>
> OK, but it seems unlikely that anyone who reads this would use it as their
> initial/only source of chart info.

I wasn't being entirely straightfaced calling it a spoiler.

>>>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : PSB #44,
>>>>
>>>>It's easy to forget that until as recently as three years ago, they had
>>>>an
>>>>unbroken run of Top 30 hits, stretching right the way back to their
>>>>third
>>>>single, the re-release of 'West End Girls'. Since then, they best
>>>>they've
>>>>done is the Number 40 peak of their Christmas EP in 2009 and this has
>>>>followed the pattern of most of their recent releases: saturation
>>>>airplay
>>>>on Radio 2 and sales only to the most devoted of fans.
>>>
>>> The demise of physical formats has hit them harder than most.
>>
>>ITYM that the popularity of digital formats (for other acts) has: this
>>sold
>>2500 eligible physicals and there was a time when that would have put them
>>Top 40.
>
> Except that the other acts would also have physical sales in that case...

They all did in 2006, for all the good it did them. That run of Top 30 hits
I mentioned before was significantly extended by the fact that they could
sell to fanbase when the competition was weak. Even at the peak of physical
sales circa 1997 they were already mostly a cult act.

>>>>> Lumineers #45,
>>>>
>>>>I believe this is in an advert.
>>>
>>> I have no idea.
>>
>>Like I said, it's not the sort of thing that would normally chart
>>otherwise.
>
> Given that I haven't heard it, I wouldn't know...

I haven't heard it either.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>Anyway, Bugg (whose real name is apparently Jake Kennedy) becomes one of
>>>>the youngest male performers ever to enter the album chart at 1 (exactly
>>>>where he ranks depends on his precise birth date, apparently).
>>>
>>> Obviously. :P
>>
>>But I don't don't know his.
>
> But *you* wouldn't have to, if, as I suspect, you pulled that snippet from
> somewhere else? :p

I got the general idea from somebody else raising it - but I did try to look
up his DOB to see if I could get a good idea of it and it doesn't seem to be
in the public domain.
In practice though, I doubt he's the very youngest because his record
company would probably have mentioned it if he was.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,
>>>>
>>>>Natasha Khan's third album had attracted attention well before release
>>>>thanks to its artwork which, as most will know by now, depicts her and a
>>>>male model entirely unclothed. The musical style is supposed to be
>>>>somewhat more stripped-down as well; it includes the forthcoming single
>>>>'All Your Gold'.
>>>>None of this was quite enough to get her a second Top 5 appearance.
>>>
>>> Disappointingly.
>>
>>Way behind her last one on sales too.
>
> But IIRC, the lead single from the last one got rather more promo.

I heard more of it. But then it was a better song so that's not undeserved.

>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>
>>>>>Martha Wainwright #58,
>>>>
>>>>The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and
>>>>the
>>>>second to feature a naked woman on the cover.
>>>
>>> I think the word naked should be in quotes, though.
>>
>>Why? She evidently isn't wearing anything.
>
> But you can't *see* anything - only if you *can*, does it count as naked,
> in my book.

I have no wish to examine your naked books, but I think that's a bit of an
odd definition. I'm not saying whether I'm naked right now, but if I am you
can't see any of me (which I can assure you is a good thing).
Conversely, Wainwright could have posed for a picture with her clothes round
her ankles and revealed more of herself, but she wouldn't really have been
naked then.

>>>>> Re-entries : Rebecca Ferguson #5,
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't normally expect an album to re-enter this high without a
>>>>re-release, and this is no exception; although it's remarkable that an
>>>>album that's been outside the Top 75 for months can generate this much
>>>>extra demand with five bonus tracks
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>
>>Another credit to the new single I suppose.
>
> Of course, it might just be that stocks of the original album were run
> down, in order to 'persuade' people to buy the new one?
>
> Yes, they could have downloaded it - but clearly they haven't been.

That's possible, and indeed I'm surprised when labels don't do that.
But it seemed to drop out much longer ago than that anyway.

>>>>> John Denver #63,
>>>>
>>>>Previous peak I can see for this is 79.
>>>
>>> I don't usually check, where low re-entries are concerned.
>>
>>But this isn't a re-entry at all, in T75 terms.
>
> In which case I'd be even *less* likely to check, since it clearly wasn't
> new.

...Well, you wouldn't know unless you'd checked anyway would you?
Why wouldn't it be new?

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>> So it's between SHM and the last
>>>>minute challenge of Labrinth featuring Emeli Sande.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't call 'Sunday evening' last minute,
>>
>>It's a fair point, but I thought of it as the last minute before I wrote
>>those prediction.
>
> Of course, my commentary was written *before* it's XF boost, though.

That's what I meant by last-minute.
Obviously, it was inevitable that it would get some boost but that extent is
a surprise to us both.

>>>>> Top 30 : Bastille
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, this seems to have gained some momentum from somewhere.
>>>
>>> Yet another song I didn't know existed, until it charted.
>>
>>Technically, it hasn't yet.
>
> On iTunes, I mean.

Thought so. I vaguely remembered their previous single making the T75.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Taylor Swift must have a very good chance of getting her first UK #1
>>>>> album.
>>>>
>>>>She must indeed.
>>>
>>> Fingers crossed - after all, Ellie got surprisingly thwarted...
>>
>>But if Taylor Swift gets thwarted, people other than you might be
>>surprised. :P
>>I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.
>
> I'd be surprised if even she could manage to 400%+ sales increase she'd
> need.

Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.

>>>>>Swedish House Mafia
>>>>
>>>>This will be in the compilations chart though.
>>>
>>> It will?
>>
>>Yes, because like their previous album it features various artists.
>
> Then listing the artist as 'Swedish House Mafia' is rather misleading...

It was the same with their previous album. I guess they didn't actually
record enough material together for albums.

>>>>> Lady Antebellum
>>>>
>>>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't out
>>>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
>>>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>>>early.
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>>
>>Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess.
>
> That could refer to any date from Dec 1st to Feb 28th (or 29th). :p

Isn't there an official start and end of winter? I'm pretty saue it's
earlier than December, but I digress.

>> I think they might struggle to sell an album without 'Need You Now' on it
>> anyway.
>>
> Well, they're unlikely to have a better chance...

Than what? This week? 2012? A Christmas album?

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 at 22:13:48, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>

>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>>>
>>>>>You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.
>>>>
>>>> I'd have been gladder if it had not turned up at all...
>>>
>>>What if he'd released the ballad instead?
>>
>> It would have sounded the same to me.
>
>I'd argue the one thing that even his worst singles to date have in
>their favour is the lack of slushiness.

Precisely.

>
>>>>>> Lumineers #45,
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe this is in an advert.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea.
>>>
>>>Like I said, it's not the sort of thing that would normally chart
>>>otherwise.
>>
>> Given that I haven't heard it, I wouldn't know...
>
>I haven't heard it either.

So how do you know it's not the sort of thing that'd normally chart,
then? :)
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,
>>>

>>>Way behind her last one on sales too.
>>
>> But IIRC, the lead single from the last one got rather more promo.
>
>I heard more of it. But then it was a better song so that's not undeserved.

I can't tell, as I haven't even heard the lead single from this one...

>
>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>
>>>>>>Martha Wainwright #58,
>>>>>
>>>>>The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and
>>>>>the
>>>>>second to feature a naked woman on the cover.
>>>>
>>>> I think the word naked should be in quotes, though.
>>>
>>>Why? She evidently isn't wearing anything.
>>
>> But you can't *see* anything - only if you *can*, does it count as naked,
>> in my book.
>

>I think that's a bit of an odd definition.

ISTM when you read the word 'naked', you have certain expectations of
what you will see - and if you don't, then you feel misled...

>
>>>>>> John Denver #63,
>>>>>
>>>>>Previous peak I can see for this is 79.
>>>>
>>>> I don't usually check, where low re-entries are concerned.
>>>
>>>But this isn't a re-entry at all, in T75 terms.
>>
>> In which case I'd be even *less* likely to check, since it clearly wasn't
>> new.
>
>...Well, you wouldn't know unless you'd checked anyway would you?
>Why wouldn't it be new?

Because it didn't feature in the C+ new entry spotlight the previous
week.

In fact, this is its 29th consecutive week on the chart since it debuted
at #122 on 14/4/12, selling ~32.5k in the process.
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------

>>>I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.
>>
>> I'd be surprised if even she could manage to 400%+ sales increase she'd
>> need.
>
>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.

But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...

>
>>>>>> Lady Antebellum
>>>>>
>>>>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't out
>>>>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
>>>>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>>>>early.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>>>
>>>Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess.
>>
>> That could refer to any date from Dec 1st to Feb 28th (or 29th). :p
>
>Isn't there an official start and end of winter? I'm pretty saue it's
>earlier than December

Only in the arctic... :p

>
>>> I think they might struggle to sell an album without 'Need You Now' on it
>>> anyway.
>>>
>> Well, they're unlikely to have a better chance...
>
>Than what? This week? 2012?

Yes.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 at 22:13:48, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You must be glad this was OAOS, Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd have been gladder if it had not turned up at all...
>>>>
>>>>What if he'd released the ballad instead?
>>>
>>> It would have sounded the same to me.
>>
>>I'd argue the one thing that even his worst singles to date have in their
>>favour is the lack of slushiness.
>
> Precisely.

Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend into
marrying him.

>>>>>>> Lumineers #45,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe this is in an advert.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea.
>>>>
>>>>Like I said, it's not the sort of thing that would normally chart
>>>>otherwise.
>>>
>>> Given that I haven't heard it, I wouldn't know...
>>
>>I haven't heard it either.
>
> So how do you know it's not the sort of thing that'd normally chart, then?
> :)

Like I said, no credit for David Guetta!
Seriously, I had researched it to that extent. I've heard it now anyway.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>> Top 10 : Bat For Lashes #6,
>>>>
>>>>Way behind her last one on sales too.
>>>
>>> But IIRC, the lead single from the last one got rather more promo.
>>
>>I heard more of it. But then it was a better song so that's not
>>undeserved.
>
> I can't tell, as I haven't even heard the lead single from this one...

Only my opinion.

>>>>>>> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 :
>>>>
>>>>>>>Martha Wainwright #58,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The third new entry to this week's album chart by a Canadian act, and
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>second to feature a naked woman on the cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the word naked should be in quotes, though.
>>>>
>>>>Why? She evidently isn't wearing anything.
>>>
>>> But you can't *see* anything - only if you *can*, does it count as
>>> naked,
>>> in my book.
>>
>>I think that's a bit of an odd definition.
>
> ISTM when you read the word 'naked', you have certain expectations of what
> you will see - and if you don't, then you feel misled...

Even in the context of a record's outer cover, where genital detail is
taboo.

>>>>>>> John Denver #63,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Previous peak I can see for this is 79.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't usually check, where low re-entries are concerned.
>>>>
>>>>But this isn't a re-entry at all, in T75 terms.
>>>
>>> In which case I'd be even *less* likely to check, since it clearly
>>> wasn't
>>> new.
>>
>>...Well, you wouldn't know unless you'd checked anyway would you?
>>Why wouldn't it be new?
>
> Because it didn't feature in the C+ new entry spotlight the previous week.

Eh, how would it be in that before it had entered anyway?

> In fact, this is its 29th consecutive week on the chart since it debuted
> at #122 on 14/4/12, selling ~32.5k in the process.

Or more outside the chart?

>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.
>>>
>>> I'd be surprised if even she could manage to 400%+ sales increase she'd
>>> need.
>>
>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>
> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...

We don't actually know that.

>>>>>>> Lady Antebellum
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
>>>>>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>>>>>early.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>>>>
>>>>Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess.
>>>
>>> That could refer to any date from Dec 1st to Feb 28th (or 29th). :p
>>
>>Isn't there an official start and end of winter? I'm pretty saue it's
>>earlier than December
>
> Only in the arctic... :p

And the Antarctic, surely?

>>>> I think they might struggle to sell an album without 'Need You Now' on
>>>> it
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>> Well, they're unlikely to have a better chance...
>>
>>Than what? This week? 2012?
>
> Yes.

Surely they'd have sold more albums circa 2005?

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 at 00:13:50, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>

>Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend
>into marrying him.

Wouldn't a romantic setting, like a posh restaurant, be better for that?
:p

>
>>>>>>>> John Denver #63,

>>>Why wouldn't it be new?
>>
>> Because it didn't feature in the C+ new entry spotlight the previous week.
>
>Eh, how would it be in that before it had entered anyway?

When albums are New Entries to the T100, their artist's chart history
gets listed - and since this entered the T100 at #83 the week before...

>
>> In fact, this is its 29th consecutive week on the chart since it debuted
>> at #122 on 14/4/12, selling ~32.5k in the process.
>
>Or more outside the chart?

Depends if 14/4 was the first week it was available.

>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be surprised if even she could manage to 400%+ sales increase she'd
>>>> need.
>>>
>>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>>
>> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...
>
>We don't actually know that.

No, but it's only common sense to do so.

>
>>>>>>>> Lady Antebellum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they big
>>>>>>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>>>>>>early.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> That could refer to any date from Dec 1st to Feb 28th (or 29th). :p
>>>
>>>Isn't there an official start and end of winter? I'm pretty saue it's
>>>earlier than December
>>
>> Only in the arctic... :p
>
>And the Antarctic, surely?

No - because the southern hemisphere winter is Jun-Aug...

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 at 00:13:50, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>
>>Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend into
>>marrying him.
>
> Wouldn't a romantic setting, like a posh restaurant, be better for that?
> :p

I suppose she might listen to it in a restaurant.

>>>>>>>>> John Denver #63,
>
>>>>Why wouldn't it be new?
>>>
>>> Because it didn't feature in the C+ new entry spotlight the previous
>>> week.
>>
>>Eh, how would it be in that before it had entered anyway?
>
> When albums are New Entries to the T100, their artist's chart history gets
> listed - and since this entered the T100 at #83 the week before...
>>
>>> In fact, this is its 29th consecutive week on the chart since it debuted
>>> at #122 on 14/4/12, selling ~32.5k in the process.
>>
>>Or more outside the chart?
>
> Depends if 14/4 was the first week it was available.

HMV's website gives a release date in 2009 (27-07-2009 to be exact).

>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>I reckon it's between her and Emeli Sande.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be surprised if even she could manage to 400%+ sales increase
>>>>> she'd
>>>>> need.
>>>>
>>>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>>>
>>> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...
>>
>>We don't actually know that.
>
> No, but it's only common sense to do so.

It might make sense for the record company to stop shipping them, but that
wouldn't necessarily mean copies already in circulation would all go.

>>>>>>>>> Lady Antebellum
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well-known retailers' websites seem to be suggesting that this isn't
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>until next month. And even if that's not the case, no way are they
>>>>>>>>big
>>>>>>>>enough in this country to get a Christmas album into the Top 20 this
>>>>>>>>early.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn't aware it was a Christmas album?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hence the title On This Winter's Night, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> That could refer to any date from Dec 1st to Feb 28th (or 29th). :p
>>>>
>>>>Isn't there an official start and end of winter? I'm pretty saue it's
>>>>earlier than December
>>>
>>> Only in the arctic... :p
>>
>>And the Antarctic, surely?
>
> No - because the southern hemisphere winter is Jun-Aug...

Which is before December, isn't it?

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 at 21:59:23, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>
>>>Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend into
>>>marrying him.
>>
>> Wouldn't a romantic setting, like a posh restaurant, be better for that?
>> :p
>
>I suppose she might listen to it in a restaurant.

If I was in there, I'd tell the management 'turn off that rap, or I'm
outta here!' :p

>>
>> When albums are New Entries to the T100, their artist's chart history gets
>> listed - and since this entered the T100 at #83 the week before...
>>>
>>>> In fact, this is its 29th consecutive week on the chart since it debuted
>>>> at #122 on 14/4/12, selling ~32.5k in the process.
>>>
>>>Or more outside the chart?
>>
>> Depends if 14/4 was the first week it was available.
>
>HMV's website gives a release date in 2009 (27-07-2009 to be exact).

Well I obviously can't track sales of albums that haven't (yet) charted.
:)

>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>

>>>>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>>>>
>>>> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...
>>>
>>>We don't actually know that.
>>
>> No, but it's only common sense to do so.
>
>It might make sense for the record company to stop shipping them, but
>that wouldn't necessarily mean copies already in circulation would all
>go.

Of course not - but what was left on the shelves to buy, would probably
be insufficient to chart it.

>>
>> No - because the southern hemisphere winter is Jun-Aug...
>
>Which is before December, isn't it?

I must be missing your point here?

[Paul Hyett]

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 at 02:33:48, Gordon Freeman <Gor...@freeman.invalid>
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>"Chris Brown" <extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Florence Welch, as she's credited for the first time in her chart
>> career - I don't know if there are contractual reasons for that
>

>Machine was her maiden name.
>
:)

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 at 21:59:23, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>>
>>>>Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend
>>>>into
>>>>marrying him.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't a romantic setting, like a posh restaurant, be better for that?
>>> :p
>>
>>I suppose she might listen to it in a restaurant.
>
> If I was in there, I'd tell the management 'turn off that rap, or I'm
> outta here!' :p

I suspect Mr West could outbid you.

>>> When albums are New Entries to the T100, their artist's chart history
>>> gets
>>> listed - and since this entered the T100 at #83 the week before...
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, this is its 29th consecutive week on the chart since it
>>>>> debuted
>>>>> at #122 on 14/4/12, selling ~32.5k in the process.
>>>>
>>>>Or more outside the chart?
>>>
>>> Depends if 14/4 was the first week it was available.
>>
>>HMV's website gives a release date in 2009 (27-07-2009 to be exact).
>
> Well I obviously can't track sales of albums that haven't (yet) charted.
> :)

Right, I don't suppose we'll ever get an idea unless it gets a
certification. Actually even then I don't know whether it'd be treated as a
budget release for certification.

>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...
>>>>
>>>>We don't actually know that.
>>>
>>> No, but it's only common sense to do so.
>>
>>It might make sense for the record company to stop shipping them, but that
>>wouldn't necessarily mean copies already in circulation would all go.
>
> Of course not - but what was left on the shelves to buy, would probably be
> insufficient to chart it.

I don't think that's a safe assumption.

>>> No - because the southern hemisphere winter is Jun-Aug...
>>
>>Which is before December, isn't it?
>
> I must be missing your point here?

So the start of winter is before December.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 at 00:33:37, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend
>>>>>into
>>>>>marrying him.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't a romantic setting, like a posh restaurant, be better for that?
>>>> :p
>>>
>>>I suppose she might listen to it in a restaurant.
>>
>> If I was in there, I'd tell the management 'turn off that rap, or I'm
>> outta here!' :p
>
>I suspect Mr West could outbid you.

True, but I doubt I'd be alone - and a restaurant that wants to attract
families, will find few of those willing to listen to rap lyrics while
they eat...

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...
>>>>>
>>>>>We don't actually know that.
>>>>
>>>> No, but it's only common sense to do so.
>>>
>>>It might make sense for the record company to stop shipping them, but that
>>>wouldn't necessarily mean copies already in circulation would all go.
>>
>> Of course not - but what was left on the shelves to buy, would probably be
>> insufficient to chart it.
>
>I don't think that's a safe assumption.

But the fact is - it *didn't* chart...

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 at 00:33:37, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apparently he's done a new song where he tries to talk his girlfriend
>>>>>>into
>>>>>>marrying him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't a romantic setting, like a posh restaurant, be better for
>>>>> that?
>>>>> :p
>>>>
>>>>I suppose she might listen to it in a restaurant.
>>>
>>> If I was in there, I'd tell the management 'turn off that rap, or I'm
>>> outta here!' :p
>>
>>I suspect Mr West could outbid you.
>
> True, but I doubt I'd be alone - and a restaurant that wants to attract
> families, will find few of those willing to listen to rap lyrics while
> they eat...

I doubt he eats in that sort of restuarant these days. And if he did he
could outbid everyone in them. He probably would too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rebecca Ferguson could, apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But unlike Emeli, her physical stock had been run down...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We don't actually know that.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but it's only common sense to do so.
>>>>
>>>>It might make sense for the record company to stop shipping them, but
>>>>that
>>>>wouldn't necessarily mean copies already in circulation would all go.
>>>
>>> Of course not - but what was left on the shelves to buy, would probably
>>> be
>>> insufficient to chart it.
>>
>>I don't think that's a safe assumption.
>
> But the fact is - it *didn't* chart...

That's true, but it fell out of the chart in a fairly natural way, long
before the deluxe was even announced, so my supposition is that the actual
demand had tailed off. That fits with the later singles from the original
album not being very successful too.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 at 15:41:20, Chris Brown

<extrem...@yahoospam.com> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top 30 : Kanye etc. #25,
>>>

>>>I suspect Mr West could outbid you.
>>
>> True, but I doubt I'd be alone - and a restaurant that wants to attract
>> families, will find few of those willing to listen to rap lyrics while
>> they eat...
>
>I doubt he eats in that sort of restuarant these days. And if he did he
>could outbid everyone in them. He probably would too.

Maybe, but a restaurant can't survive financially on just one customer,
especially one for whom pressure of work would preclude anything but
occasional visits... :p