Chart Commentary 13/9/08
Paul Hyett
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Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Pussycat Dolls #3
Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #14, Gym Class Heroes #16, Steve Mac #17, Ne-Yo #18
Top 30 : Duffy (SS) #21, Keane #23
Top 40 : Bryn Christopher #31, NKOTB #34, Flobots #35, Various (JSU) #39
Re-entries T40 : none
New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Chicane v Natasha
Bedingfield #42, Sonny J #45, Flo-Ride (ITA) #46, Metallica (Cy) #48,
Basshunter (AITN) #54, Colbie Caillat #60, MIA (PP) #69
Re-entries : Kings Of Leon (Fans) #66, Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) #71,
Alphabeat (10000N) #75
Albums
------
The Verve retain the #1 spot in a quiet week.
New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Michael Jackson (KoP) #3, Miley Cyrus #10
Top 20 : Chemical Brothers #11, OCR (MM) #12
New outside the top 20 : City Of Prague Philharmonic #21, Roots Manuva
#22, Motorhead #32, MJ & J5 #34, Brian Wilson #37, Friendly Fires #38
Re-entries : Elbow (SSK) #61, Biffy Clyro (P) #68, Elvis (Hitstory) #70
Next Week
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Singles
-------
With the full release of the PCD's single, they look have a good chance
of being #1
Top 5 :
Top 10 : Will Young, Gym Class Heroes, Steve Mac
Top 20 :
Top 30 : Flo Rida, Sonny J
Top 40 : Black Kids, Cliff Richard, Daniel Powter, Zutons
Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
Am I right in thinking that McFly's new single will be released on
download *before* physicals, this time? If so, they should chart
somewhere.
Albums
------
Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in claiming
the #1 spot.
Top 10 NE : Glasvegas, Bryn Christopher,
Top 20 NE : LL Cool J
Others : NKOTB
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> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
A church near Dayton Ohio has apparently put up a sign saying "I KISSED A
GIRL, I LIKED IT, THEN I WENT TO HELL".
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Pussycat Dolls #3
Out tomorrow on CD.
> Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #14,
Semi-interesting fact I've noticed: the "Rock Mafia" remix played by R1 is
doing a lot worse on iTunes than the main version. Possibly that has some
connection to its climb.
>Gym Class Heroes #16,
Out tomorrow on CDs.
>Steve Mac #17,
Out on CD on the 15th.
>Ne-Yo #18
I only noticed a couple of days ago that he's actually comparing her to "a
boss". That may reveal slightly more about NeYo than we wanted to know.
> Top 30 : Duffy (SS) #21,
Fourth single from the massive album inevitably falls victim to the law of
diminishing returns. Decent track, I think.
>Keane #23
Random new peak. Maybe it's because people don't like the new one?
> Top 40 : Bryn Christopher #31,
The first Bryn ever to have a Top 40 single.
Er, not a lot else remarkable about this record, which is probably why it
hasn't done much better than the supposedly more limited release of 'The
Quest'.
>NKOTB #34,
Some people have said this is so bad that it sounds like a single by Another
Level from the 1990s, but the trouble is that Another Level did release a
single called 'Summertime' and even that was better than this.
At least they sounded like they wanted to be singing it, whereas this is
pure "will this do?"
Incidentally, they so seem to have reverted to crediting themselves as New
Kids On The Block here.
> Flobots #35,
This sounds a bit like Linkin Park to me. And that's not a compliment.
I don't know why the abrupt climb though.
>Various (JSU) #39
I'm fortunate enough never to have suffered cancer, but I'm reliably
informed that recovering from it requires slightly more effort than just
standing up.
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Chicane v Natasha
> Bedingfield #42,
Massive one-place climb!
I don't know whether this will ever go Top 40 but it doesn't seem set to
become a big hit.
> Sonny J #45,
I prefer the original version anyway.
>Flo-Ride (ITA) #46,
En Francais?
This is doing a lot better than Will.I.Am's own record, isn't it?
>Metallica (Cy) #48,
A third charting track from the imminent album, which of course I haven't
heard.
> Basshunter (AITN) #54,
The next single, currently scheduled for the 29th.
> Colbie Caillat #60,
I'll take your word for it.
>MIA (PP) #69
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've no idea why this is back.
> Re-entries : Kings Of Leon (Fans) #66,
Presumably a beneficiary of festival-related publicity.
> Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) #71,
When downloads started counting, I thought this track would be in the Top 75
forever. Fortunately it didn't quite happen.
Strictly speaking, this is listed on the chart as a double A with 'Stay With
Me' but I think we can safely guess which side is selling.
> Alphabeat (10000N) #75
Still their worst single, IMO.
> Albums
> ------
> The Verve retain the #1 spot in a quiet week.
On a side issue, am I right in thinking the No Come Down album has never
charted?
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Michael Jackson (KoP) #3,
I suppose the best you can say for this is that they at least made the
effort to compile a UK-specific version.
>Miley Cyrus #10
And the next stage in Disney's plan rolls on...
> Top 20 : Chemical Brothers #11,
Curtain-raiser for this autumn's season of best-of albums, a successor to
their Singles 93-03 collection which combines nine of the tracks from that
release with some of the most popular tracks off their two subsequent albums
and the unpopular new single 'Midnight Madness'.
A double CD also features ten instalments from their previously uncompiled
Electronic Battle Weapon series.
>OCR (MM) #12
I presume this is quite widely discounted, since it seems a bit late.
> New outside the top 20 : City Of Prague Philharmonic #21,
It turns out that this is Classic FM's new Songs Without Words disc, which
I'd thought was a Various Artists release (that's certainly how it appears
on Amazon and HMV.com). It does what it says on the tin though: it does
indeed consist of twelve instrumental versions of what might broadly be
called "pop songs" (eg 'Yellow', 'Life On Mars', 'Save The Best For Last',
'Closest Thing To Crazy') and does little to refute the charge that Classic
FM is a station for idiots.
> Roots Manuva #22,
He may not have the profile he once had, and he's certainly not charting
singles like he used to, but this is Rodney Smith's highest-charting album
to date. Evidently not everyone was put of by the slightly disturbing cover
art.
There is of course a limited edition with eight extra dub versions of the
tracks.
>Motorhead #32,
Their first Top 40 album since 1916!
...Admittedly that was an album title, not a date, but the sentiment seems
to apply just the same.
> MJ & J5 #34,
"Cash-in" is such an ugly phrase isn't it?
Maybe we should just imagine it's a total coincidence that Universal have
chosen this week to release a triple CD of his Motown recordings (two discs
of Jackson 5, one of solo Michael).
Arguably they have the better part of the band's work, but the solo material
is a bit less convincing. They have got his first Number One though.
>Brian Wilson #37,
Coincidentally just one week after his former stand-in Glenn Campbell made
his return to the chart, Wilson is back with the effective follow-up to
2004's re-recording of Smile (forgetting the Christmas album, which is doing
him a favour frankly).
Like that album this is a song-suite, premiered at the Royal Festival Hall
and features writing contributions from Van Dyke Parks, but it's almost all
new material - the song 'Can't Wait Too Long' was first attempted in 1967.
A more expensive deluxe version adds a DVD with the obligatory making-of and
two live tracks.
>Friendly Fires #38
Yet another addition to this year's tally of hit albums from XL Recordings,
the debut album from the St Albans trio is mostly self-produced and sounds a
bit like a more electronic version of The Rapture.
It also includes this week's Number 100 single, 'Jump In The Pool'.
> Re-entries : Elbow (SSK) #61,
Another big festival band.
>Biffy Clyro (P) #68,
Obviously helped by the new single.
> Elvis (Hitstory) #70
Just bouncing in and out as usual.
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> With the full release of the PCD's single, they look have a good chance of
> being #1
I bet you're already looking forward to another month of Fearne Cotton
hilariously mispronouncing Nicole Sherzinger's name.
> Top 10 : Will Young,
Hang on - I thought this wasn't out until the 14th?
> Gym Class Heroes,
Seems inevitable.
>Steve Mac
Quite possible.
> Top 30 : Flo Rida,
Maybe, although he's still outwith the 40 now.
>Sonny J
I suspect so.
> Top 40 : Black Kids,
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten all about them!
I'm not sure if this is still being released, actually.
>Cliff Richard,
Probably going to do a bit better than this, bearing in mind the publicity.
Sadly, we probably won't get a Cliff vs Katy Perry battle at the top.
>Daniel Powter,
And speaking of people we'd forgotten...
I'd say he'd left this too late, but since none of the singles he released
soon after 'Bad Day' were smashes, perhaps a gap was needed.
> Zutons
I'm not so sure about this one. It isn't following a monster hit and it
doesn't seem to have been much-publicised.
> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
It's hard to keep track really, but I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is out
as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
> Am I right in thinking that McFly's new single will be released on
> download *before* physicals, this time? If so, they should chart
> somewhere.
It's currently at 49 on the iTunes chart, if that answers your question. ;-)
> Albums
> ------
> Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in claiming
> the #1 spot.
None at all? Really?
Obviously it's not a principle that's been tested much, but so far it seems
like there's a limited number of superstar acts who can top the charts on a
couple of days' sales - Eminem, Coldplay, Michael Jackson a long time ago -
and I'm not sure Metallica are quite in that league over here. They
certainly haven't topped the chart many times before.
That said, I would fancy their chances with a full week, and they obviously
have a high rate of pre-sales.
> Top 10 NE : Glasvegas,
Pretty much a cert on hype alone.
> Bryn Christopher,
May be a little optimistic (or pessimistic!) given the lukewarm response to
the single. But I don't write him off.
> Top 20 NE : LL Cool J
I didn't even know this was out (although obviously I guessed it was on the
way). He's not a very reliable album chart performer - his last one only got
to 79, despite a massive single - but I guess he'll go Top 40 at least.
> Others : NKOTB
Since even a greatest hits has flopped this week and the single's not done
brilliantly, I have to wonder how much interest there really is in new
material from them (especially before their tour). In fact, has any
comprable act other than Take That succeeded in selling new albums
post-comeback?
Chris
Anton Gÿsen
> Singles
> -------
> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
Terrible, terrible song. Shame on those who like it. Makes me want to
prise my eardrums out with a B&Q craft knife.
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Flobots #35
Fantastic song.
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
>
>A church near Dayton Ohio has apparently put up a sign saying "I KISSED A
>GIRL, I LIKED IT, THEN I WENT TO HELL".
Even if it was a guy doing the kissing?
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Pussycat Dolls #3
>
>Out tomorrow on CD.
The TV airplay chart *claims* this only has the 2nd most plays, but I
don't believe it - it seems to be on more often than almost any song I
can ever remember!
BTW, ISTM that the chart show's interview with Nicole S really screwed
up their timing yesterday.
Firstly, it was too early - well before they were due to play the song.
Secondly, the interview ended up being far longer than they expected.
>
>> Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #14,
>
>Semi-interesting fact I've noticed: the "Rock Mafia" remix played by R1 is
>doing a lot worse on iTunes than the main version. Possibly that has some
>connection to its climb.
Negative or positive, you mean?
>
>>Gym Class Heroes #16,
>
>Out tomorrow on CDs.
Who buys this shit, anyway?
>
>>Steve Mac #17,
>
>Out on CD on the 15th.
Reserving your comments, again?
>
>>Ne-Yo #18
>
>I only noticed a couple of days ago that he's actually comparing her to "a
>boss". That may reveal slightly more about NeYo than we wanted to know.
The only think I want to know is when he'll be quitting the music
business. :)
>
>> Top 30 : Duffy (SS) #21,
>
>Fourth single from the massive album inevitably falls victim to the law of
>diminishing returns. Decent track, I think.
You don't know?
>
>>Keane #23
>
>Random new peak. Maybe it's because people don't like the new one?
What new one?
>
>> Top 40 : Bryn Christopher #31,
>
>The first Bryn ever to have a Top 40 single.
>Er, not a lot else remarkable about this record, which is probably why it
>hasn't done much better than the supposedly more limited release of 'The
>Quest'.
Already out on CD, so further progress unlikely.
>
>>NKOTB #34,
>
>Some people have said this is so bad that it sounds like a single by Another
>Level from the 1990s, but the trouble is that Another Level did release a
>single called 'Summertime' and even that was better than this.
I wouldn't know.
>At least they sounded like they wanted to be singing it, whereas this is
>pure "will this do?"
To which the simple answer is No.
>Incidentally, they so seem to have reverted to crediting themselves as New
>Kids On The Block here.
When did they change? I thought they always had been called that?
>
>> Flobots #35,
>
>This sounds a bit like Linkin Park to me. And that's not a compliment.
>I don't know why the abrupt climb though.
Or why it's even charted at all?
CD release on 22nd.
>
>>Various (JSU) #39
>
>I'm fortunate enough never to have suffered cancer, but I'm reliably
>informed that recovering from it requires slightly more effort than just
>standing up.
Probably less painful than listening to this, too...
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Chicane v Natasha
>> Bedingfield #42,
>
>Massive one-place climb!
>I don't know whether this will ever go Top 40 but it doesn't seem set to
>become a big hit.
>
I'm amazed it's even done this well.
>> Sonny J #45,
>
>I prefer the original version anyway.
I don't like either one.
>
>>Flo-Ride (ITA) #46,
>
>En Francais?
>This is doing a lot better than Will.I.Am's own record, isn't it?
Out today on CD.
>
>>Metallica (Cy) #48,
>
>A third charting track from the imminent album, which of course I haven't
>heard.
Going to buy the album?
>
>> Basshunter (AITN) #54,
>
>The next single, currently scheduled for the 29th.
Demonstrating once again why dance acts struggle to generate more than a
couple of decent hits.
>
>> Colbie Caillat #60,
>
>I'll take your word for it.
Slipping now on iTunes, so unless it shifts a lot of CD's next week, it
may miss out again. :(
>
>>MIA (PP) #69
>
>Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've no idea why this is back.
Due for re-release on 13th Oct.
>
>> Re-entries : Kings Of Leon (Fans) #66,
>
>Presumably a beneficiary of festival-related publicity.
No idea.
>
>> Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) #71,
>
>When downloads started counting, I thought this track would be in the Top 75
>forever. Fortunately it didn't quite happen.
I'm not sure I've ever even heard it, though I could hardly fail to spot
its steady download sales.
I just checked it out on Youtube, and it's not bad - though that just
begs the question as to why it did so badly on original release (and
reissue), given the aforementioned steady download sales.
>Strictly speaking, this is listed on the chart as a double A with 'Stay With
>Me' but I think we can safely guess which side is selling.
Actually, C+ lists it alone, which makes sense as people are presumably
just downloading this track.
>
>> Alphabeat (10000N) #75
>
>Still their worst single, IMO.
If it were possible, I'd claim that about all three. :)
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Verve retain the #1 spot in a quiet week.
>
>On a side issue, am I right in thinking the No Come Down album has never
>charted?
Doesn't look like it, though my stats for that period only cover T75
albums.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Michael Jackson (KoP) #3,
>
>I suppose the best you can say for this is that they at least made the
>effort to compile a UK-specific version.
ISTM it benefited from last week's other NE's dropping back, rather than
a significant increase in its own popularity.
>
>>Miley Cyrus #10
>
>And the next stage in Disney's plan rolls on...
What plan?
>
>> Top 20 : Chemical Brothers #11,
>
>Curtain-raiser for this autumn's season of best-of albums, a successor to
>their Singles 93-03 collection which combines nine of the tracks from that
>release with some of the most popular tracks off their two subsequent albums
>and the unpopular new single 'Midnight Madness'.
>A double CD also features ten instalments from their previously uncompiled
>Electronic Battle Weapon series.
WTF is that?
>
>>OCR (MM) #12
>
>I presume this is quite widely discounted, since it seems a bit late.
No idea.
>
>> New outside the top 20 : City Of Prague Philharmonic #21,
>
>It turns out that this is Classic FM's new Songs Without Words disc, which
>I'd thought was a Various Artists release (that's certainly how it appears
>on Amazon and HMV.com). It does what it says on the tin though: it does
>indeed consist of twelve instrumental versions of what might broadly be
>called "pop songs" (eg 'Yellow', 'Life On Mars', 'Save The Best For Last',
>'Closest Thing To Crazy')
Which explains why it charted, though not why people knew to look for it
in the first place.
>
>> Roots Manuva #22,
>There is of course a limited edition with eight extra dub versions of the
>tracks.
You don't need to mention 'special editions' just to fill up space, you
know. :)
>
>>Motorhead #32,
>
>Their first Top 40 album since 1916!
Grin.
>
>...Admittedly that was an album title, not a date, but the sentiment seems
>to apply just the same.
Huh?
>
>> MJ & J5 #34,
>
>"Cash-in" is such an ugly phrase isn't it?
Not to record companies, alas...
>
>>Brian Wilson #37,
>
>it's almost all
>new material - the song 'Can't Wait Too Long' was first attempted in 1967.
>A more expensive deluxe version adds a DVD with the obligatory making-of and
>two live tracks.
Do these extras really generate enough extra revenue to cover their
cost? I mean, they are usually £3-4 more, so you'd need to sell tens of
thousands of them...
>
>>Friendly Fires #38
>
>Yet another addition to this year's tally of hit albums from XL Recordings,
>the debut album from the St Albans trio is mostly self-produced and sounds a
>bit like a more electronic version of The Rapture.
>It also includes this week's Number 100 single, 'Jump In The Pool'.
An unmissable album, then. :)
>
>> Re-entries : Elbow (SSK) #61,
>
>Another big festival band.
I did wonder.
>
>>Biffy Clyro (P) #68,
>
>Obviously helped by the new single.
Even though it isn't on here.
>
>> Elvis (Hitstory) #70
>
>Just bouncing in and out as usual.
Maybe there's a prize for the Elvis fan who buys the highest number of
his GH albums? :)
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> With the full release of the PCD's single, they look have a good chance of
>> being #1
>
>I bet you're already looking forward to another month of Fearne Cotton
>hilariously mispronouncing Nicole Sherzinger's name.
You needn't worry - she only turns up to work about one week in four...
>
>> Top 10 : Will Young,
>
>Hang on - I thought this wasn't out until the 14th?
Sorry - based it on a superseded release schedule, and forgot to
proof-read.
>
>> Gym Class Heroes,
>
>Seems inevitable.
NO avoiding the song, either way.
>
>>Steve Mac
>
>Quite possible.
I predicted it n Buzzjack for T10, but most people were very sceptical.
:)
>
>> Top 30 : Flo Rida,
>
>Maybe, although he's still outwith the 40 now.
Outwith?
>
>> Top 40 : Black Kids,
>
>Oh yeah, I'd forgotten all about them!
>I'm not sure if this is still being released, actually.
Old schedule issues, again.
I usually draft my commentaries on Friday night or Saturday, but the new
NR schedules don't usually appear until later than that.
>
>>Cliff Richard,
>
>Probably going to do a bit better than this, bearing in mind the publicity.
What publicity? Him effectively outing himself in a new autobiography?
>
>> Zutons
>
>I'm not so sure about this one. It isn't following a monster hit and it
>doesn't seem to have been much-publicised.
Hence my relatively modest prediction.
>
>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>
>It's hard to keep track really, but I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is out
>as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
Didn't even realise they had a new album due. T20 on full release
perhaps, but probably not just on downloads.
>
>> Am I right in thinking that McFly's new single will be released on
>> download *before* physicals, this time? If so, they should chart
>> somewhere.
>
>It's currently at 49 on the iTunes chart, if that answers your question. ;-)
>
Make that #25, now.
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in claiming
>> the #1 spot.
>
>None at all? Really?
>Obviously it's not a principle that's been tested much, but so far it seems
>like there's a limited number of superstar acts who can top the charts on a
>couple of days' sales - Eminem, Coldplay, Michael Jackson a long time ago -
>and I'm not sure Metallica are quite in that league over here. They
>certainly haven't topped the chart many times before.
>That said, I would fancy their chances with a full week, and they obviously
>have a high rate of pre-sales.
I'm basing my prediction on the fact that rock bands only sell fast for
a couple of days *anyway*, plus the competition is weak.
>
>> Top 10 NE : Glasvegas,
>
>Pretty much a cert on hype alone.
Their single didn't drop as fast as I thought.
>
>> Bryn Christopher,
>
>May be a little optimistic (or pessimistic!) given the lukewarm response to
>the single. But I don't write him off.
Especially as MOR is an album-selling genre...
>
>> Others : NKOTB
>
>Since even a greatest hits has flopped this week and the single's not done
>brilliantly, I have to wonder how much interest there really is in new
>material from them (especially before their tour). In fact, has any
>comprable act other than Take That succeeded in selling new albums
>post-comeback?
Well, they'd only have to shift around 2.5k at #75 to justify my
prediction...
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
>
>Terrible, terrible song. Shame on those who like it.
But given the alternatives...
>Makes me want to prise my eardrums out with a B&Q craft knife.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Flobots #35
>
>Fantastic song.
Really? It's this one that makes *me* want to prise my eardrums out with
a B&Q craft knife. :)
Jan Buxton
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 at 23:47:32, Anton Gÿsen <an...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>> ---------------------
>>> Flobots #35
>>
>> Fantastic song.
>
> Really?
Yeah, I really like it.
--
Jan
Anton Gÿsen
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 at 23:47:32, Anton Gÿsen <an...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
>>
>> Terrible, terrible song. Shame on those who like it.
>
> But given the alternatives...
Eric Prydz's track is ten times better.
>> Makes me want to prise my eardrums out with a B&Q craft knife.
>>
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Flobots #35
>>
>> Fantastic song.
>
> Really? It's this one that makes *me* want to prise my eardrums out with
> a B&Q craft knife. :)
No, it's great, and I'm not the only one who likes it. Number 35 is a crime.
Paul, do you know anywhere online that sells CD singles cheap?
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 at 21:57:32, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
>>
>>A church near Dayton Ohio has apparently put up a sign saying "I KISSED A
>>GIRL, I LIKED IT, THEN I WENT TO HELL".
>
> Even if it was a guy doing the kissing?
Yeah, they don't really seem to have thought that through do they?
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Pussycat Dolls #3
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD.
>
> The TV airplay chart *claims* this only has the 2nd most plays, but I
> don't believe it - it seems to be on more often than almost any song I can
> ever remember!
Obviously I wouldn't know, but other people seem to feel the same.
> BTW, ISTM that the chart show's interview with Nicole S really screwed up
> their timing yesterday.
I didn't hear it.
> Firstly, it was too early - well before they were due to play the song.
I suppose they're reluctant to pre-record anything now, so they have to work
around when these people are available.
> Secondly, the interview ended up being far longer than they expected.
Was it as interesting as Taio Cruz talking about how he'd met the people who
wrote 'Umbrella' once?
>>> Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #14,
>>
>>Semi-interesting fact I've noticed: the "Rock Mafia" remix played by R1 is
>>doing a lot worse on iTunes than the main version. Possibly that has some
>>connection to its climb.
>
> Negative or positive, you mean?
One idea I had was that it took people a while to hear the original mix.
But I don't know which mix is in the vid.
>>>Gym Class Heroes #16,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CDs.
>
> Who buys this shit, anyway?
I dunno, but you presumably can't blame a fanbase.
>>>Steve Mac #17,
>>
>>Out on CD on the 15th.
>
> Reserving your comments, again?
Restraining myself, yes. This must have at least another couple of climbs
ahead of it.
>>> Top 30 : Duffy (SS) #21,
>>
>>Fourth single from the massive album inevitably falls victim to the law of
>>diminishing returns. Decent track, I think.
>
> You don't know?
I don't know whether I'll change my mind later.
>>>Keane #23
>>
>>Random new peak. Maybe it's because people don't like the new one?
>
> What new one?
Er, whatever that next single's called. You can see what a deep impression
it made on me. ;-)
'Lovers Are Losing' according to the internet.
>>> Top 40 : Bryn Christopher #31,
>>
>>The first Bryn ever to have a Top 40 single.
>>Er, not a lot else remarkable about this record, which is probably why it
>>hasn't done much better than the supposedly more limited release of 'The
>>Quest'.
>
> Already out on CD, so further progress unlikely.
Indeed so.
>>>NKOTB #34,
>>
>>Some people have said this is so bad that it sounds like a single by
>>Another
>>Level from the 1990s, but the trouble is that Another Level did release a
>>single called 'Summertime' and even that was better than this.
>
> I wouldn't know.
It's not hard to believe though, is it?
YouTube is your "friend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ZUrVfKsow
And that must be one of the most blatant drug references in a boy-band song
ever.
>>At least they sounded like they wanted to be singing it, whereas this is
>>pure "will this do?"
>
> To which the simple answer is No.
And for once you, I, and the public are in agreement.
>>Incidentally, they so seem to have reverted to crediting themselves as New
>>Kids On The Block here.
>
> When did they change? I thought they always had been called that?
For a while towards the end of their career they tried to sound more grown
up by calling themselves NKOTB (I think it might even have been nkotb).
>>> Flobots #35,
>>
>>This sounds a bit like Linkin Park to me. And that's not a compliment.
>>I don't know why the abrupt climb though.
>
> Or why it's even charted at all?
Well, I am aware of records like 'Heaven Is A Halfpipe' by OPM, so I'm sort
of inured to that.
>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Chicane v Natasha
>>> Bedingfield #42,
>>
>>Massive one-place climb!
>
>>I don't know whether this will ever go Top 40 but it doesn't seem set to
>>become a big hit.
>>
> I'm amazed it's even done this well.
I haven't actually heard it, but maybe Chicane has more fans than we
thought.
>>> Sonny J #45,
>>
>>I prefer the original version anyway.
>
> I don't like either one.
The vocals are lower in the original mix though.
>>>Metallica (Cy) #48,
>>
>>A third charting track from the imminent album, which of course I haven't
>>heard.
>
> Going to buy the album?
No, why?
>>> Basshunter (AITN) #54,
>>
>>The next single, currently scheduled for the 29th.
>
> Demonstrating once again why dance acts struggle to generate more than a
> couple of decent hits.
And yet this is in the Top 60 almost a month before the official release
date.
>>> Colbie Caillat #60,
>>
>>I'll take your word for it.
>
> Slipping now on iTunes, so unless it shifts a lot of CD's next week, it
> may miss out again. :(
Which doesn't look very likely, on the face of it.
>>>MIA (PP) #69
>>
>>Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've no idea why this is back.
>
> Due for re-release on 13th Oct.
I saw that - but since it wasn't a massive success the first time, to put it
mildly, I don't know why people seem to be taking to it now. Is it in an
advert or something?
>>> Re-entries : Kings Of Leon (Fans) #66,
>>
>>Presumably a beneficiary of festival-related publicity.
>
> No idea.
That was mine.
>>> Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) #71,
>>
>>When downloads started counting, I thought this track would be in the Top
>>75
>>forever. Fortunately it didn't quite happen.
>
> I'm not sure I've ever even heard it, though I could hardly fail to spot
> its steady download sales.
>
> I just checked it out on Youtube, and it's not bad - though that just begs
> the question as to why it did so badly on original release (and reissue),
> given the aforementioned steady download sales.
As you'll know, this is precisely the sort of music I hate.
I think part of the problem might be that they're not a particularly popular
band beyond this song and therefore they only have a tiny fanbase (probably
the sort that got it into the Top 50 originally), plus it's a sort of
non-obvious title which means that even people who know it might not be able
to name it.
With that in mind, Ronan Keating's version might have done this one some
favours - ISTR Music Week reporting at the time that the Goo Goo Dolls were
selling loads more downloads than he was, though theirs weren't eligible for
the main chart at the time.
>>Strictly speaking, this is listed on the chart as a double A with 'Stay
>>With
>>Me' but I think we can safely guess which side is selling.
>
> Actually, C+ lists it alone, which makes sense as people are presumably
> just downloading this track.
Indeed - and that was presumably the whole point of listing 'Stay With Me'
alongside it when that release happened.
It seems to be an OCC quirk to associate these download sales with the most
recent physical release even when that seems illogical.
>>> Alphabeat (10000N) #75
>>
>>Still their worst single, IMO.
>
> If it were possible, I'd claim that about all three. :)
The other two don't sound like they're about incest though.
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The Verve retain the #1 spot in a quiet week.
>>
>>On a side issue, am I right in thinking the No Come Down album has never
>>charted?
>
> Doesn't look like it, though my stats for that period only cover T75
> albums.
Well, the Zobbel site has Top 200 info up to 2006 and it's not in there, so
I suppose the question was whether it had done so recently.
Possibly its semi-import status means it's somehow ineligible, although it
may also be that as a minor release it's never sold much at any one time.
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Michael Jackson (KoP) #3,
>>
>>I suppose the best you can say for this is that they at least made the
>>effort to compile a UK-specific version.
>
> ISTM it benefited from last week's other NE's dropping back, rather than a
> significant increase in its own popularity.
I expect that's true (I've not read the figures yet) but that looks like a
minor achievement in itself.
>>>Miley Cyrus #10
>>
>>And the next stage in Disney's plan rolls on...
>
> What plan?
To make her a grown-up pop star.
>>> Top 20 : Chemical Brothers #11,
>>
>>Curtain-raiser for this autumn's season of best-of albums, a successor to
>>their Singles 93-03 collection which combines nine of the tracks from that
>>release with some of the most popular tracks off their two subsequent
>>albums
>>and the unpopular new single 'Midnight Madness'.
>
>>A double CD also features ten instalments from their previously uncompiled
>>Electronic Battle Weapon series.
>
> WTF is that?
It's some sort of, I dunno, brand name you might call it, which the Brothers
use to try out new material. Some of them have turned up on B-sides and
things before. This Amazon reviewer has explained a bit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RK578VADO9IIA/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
>>> New outside the top 20 : City Of Prague Philharmonic #21,
>>
>>It turns out that this is Classic FM's new Songs Without Words disc, which
>>I'd thought was a Various Artists release (that's certainly how it appears
>>on Amazon and HMV.com). It does what it says on the tin though: it does
>>indeed consist of twelve instrumental versions of what might broadly be
>>called "pop songs" (eg 'Yellow', 'Life On Mars', 'Save The Best For Last',
>>'Closest Thing To Crazy')
>
> Which explains why it charted,
Really? I find the notion that thousands of people wanted to pay money for
this quite odd! ;-)
> though not why people knew to look for it in the first place.
Er, because anything Classic FM release is hyped to high even on there, and
on other related stations.
>>> Roots Manuva #22,
>
>>There is of course a limited edition with eight extra dub versions of the
>>tracks.
>
> You don't need to mention 'special editions' just to fill up space, you
> know. :)
Call it a public service, if you like.
>>>Motorhead #32,
>>
>>Their first Top 40 album since 1916!
>
> Grin.
>>
>>...Admittedly that was an album title, not a date, but the sentiment seems
>>to apply just the same.
>
> Huh?
I mean that the last Motorhead album to go Top 40 was actually *called*
1916. But it does feel like they've been around for ninety-something years.
>>>Brian Wilson #37,
>>
>>it's almost all
>>new material - the song 'Can't Wait Too Long' was first attempted in 1967.
>>A more expensive deluxe version adds a DVD with the obligatory making-of
>>and
>>two live tracks.
>
> Do these extras really generate enough extra revenue to cover their cost?
> I mean, they are usually £3-4 more, so you'd need to sell tens of
> thousands of them...
This one seems to be about a fiver extra in most places (although it looks
almost identical, so a lot of people might not even have noticed) but it is
indeed unlikely that this sort of deluxe version (as opposed to the really
super £40+ versions we're getting of some albums now) is any more profitable
than the standard version. That isn't really the point though - once upon a
time they used to sell them for the same price anyway.
>> Re-entries : Elbow (SSK) #61,
>>
>>Another big festival band.
>
> I did wonder.
They're up for the Mercury tomorrow, too, but I saw the single back in the
iTunes chart as well.
>>>Biffy Clyro (P) #68,
>>
>>Obviously helped by the new single.
>
> Even though it isn't on here.
Maybe that's why it's helping. ;-)
>>> Elvis (Hitstory) #70
>>
>>Just bouncing in and out as usual.
>
> Maybe there's a prize for the Elvis fan who buys the highest number of his
> GH albums? :)
But this is the same one?
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> With the full release of the PCD's single, they look have a good chance
>>> of
>>> being #1
>>
>>I bet you're already looking forward to another month of Fearne Cotton
>>hilariously mispronouncing Nicole Sherzinger's name.
>
> You needn't worry - she only turns up to work about one week in four...
Her and Terry Wogan. Not that I mind.
>>> Top 10 : Will Young,
>>
>>Hang on - I thought this wasn't out until the 14th?
>
> Sorry - based it on a superseded release schedule, and forgot to
> proof-read.
I even made a prediction of my own before I remembered.
>>> Gym Class Heroes,
>>
>>Seems inevitable.
>
> NO avoiding the song, either way.
I haven't been listening to much radio lately, which is probably just as
well.
>>>Steve Mac
>>
>>Quite possible.
>
> I predicted it n Buzzjack for T10, but most people were very sceptical. :)
Maybe they'd heard it.
>>> Top 30 : Flo Rida,
>>
>>Maybe, although he's still outwith the 40 now.
>
> Outwith?
Yes, it's like the old meaning of the word "without"
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005490.html
>>> Top 40 : Black Kids,
>>
>>Oh yeah, I'd forgotten all about them!
>>I'm not sure if this is still being released, actually.
>
> Old schedule issues, again.
Or crappy one-hit-wonder issues?
>>>Cliff Richard,
>>
>>Probably going to do a bit better than this, bearing in mind the
>>publicity.
>
> What publicity? Him effectively outing himself in a new autobiography?
That and the "Number One in lots of decades" campaign. Which makes him sound
as desperate as he actually is, but at least people know this exists.
>>> Zutons
>>
>>I'm not so sure about this one. It isn't following a monster hit and it
>>doesn't seem to have been much-publicised.
>
> Hence my relatively modest prediction.
Ah, but I don't think it's modest enough. Look at the Fratellis (not
literally of course).
>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>
>>It's hard to keep track really, but I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is out
>>as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
>
> Didn't even realise they had a new album due.
Last time I checked it had beaten Oasis to the top of the Amazon pre-order
chart, albeit it that it's nearer the time.
>T20 on full release perhaps, but probably not just on downloads.
Either way, it clearly has been released as a download, since it's in the
iTunes chart.
>>> Am I right in thinking that McFly's new single will be released on
>>> download *before* physicals, this time? If so, they should chart
>>> somewhere.
>>
>>It's currently at 49 on the iTunes chart, if that answers your question.
>>;-)
>>
> Make that #25, now.
23. Any advance on that?
Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another couple
of weeks. And I presume you're deliberately ignoring Queen?
>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in claiming
>>> the #1 spot.
>>
>>None at all? Really?
>>Obviously it's not a principle that's been tested much, but so far it
>>seems
>>like there's a limited number of superstar acts who can top the charts on
>>a
>>couple of days' sales - Eminem, Coldplay, Michael Jackson a long time
>>ago -
>>and I'm not sure Metallica are quite in that league over here. They
>>certainly haven't topped the chart many times before.
>>That said, I would fancy their chances with a full week, and they
>>obviously
>>have a high rate of pre-sales.
>
> I'm basing my prediction on the fact that rock bands only sell fast for a
> couple of days *anyway*, plus the competition is weak.
I can see some of the sense in that - but it was the "no problems" bit I
thought went a bit far.
>>> Top 10 NE : Glasvegas,
>>
>>Pretty much a cert on hype alone.
>
> Their single didn't drop as fast as I thought.
Yes, and 'Geraldine' is still trickling a few sales too, so obviously the
promotion is working.
>>> Bryn Christopher,
>>
>>May be a little optimistic (or pessimistic!) given the lukewarm response
>>to
>>the single. But I don't write him off.
>
> Especially as MOR is an album-selling genre...
It is but it often needs a successful single to start it off.
>>> Others : NKOTB
>>
>>Since even a greatest hits has flopped this week and the single's not done
>>brilliantly, I have to wonder how much interest there really is in new
>>material from them (especially before their tour). In fact, has any
>>comprable act other than Take That succeeded in selling new albums
>>post-comeback?
>
> Well, they'd only have to shift around 2.5k at #75 to justify my
> prediction...
Yes, but can they actually do that off the back of a Number 34 single?
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Katy Perry stays at #1 for a fifth week.
>>>
>>>A church near Dayton Ohio has apparently put up a sign saying "I KISSED A
>>>GIRL, I LIKED IT, THEN I WENT TO HELL".
>>
>> Even if it was a guy doing the kissing?
>
>Yeah, they don't really seem to have thought that through do they?
Well, the Fundies never do - after all, they had the ability to
rationally examine stuff... :)
>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 :
>
>> BTW, ISTM that the chart show's interview with Nicole S really screwed up
>> their timing yesterday.
>
>I didn't hear it.
>
>> Secondly, the interview ended up being far longer than they expected.
>
>Was it as interesting as Taio Cruz talking about how he'd met the people who
>wrote 'Umbrella' once?
I don't know - as always, I time-shifted the chart to avoid all the
between-records waffling.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Mac #17,
>>>
>>>Out on CD on the 15th.
>>
>> Reserving your comments, again?
>
>Restraining myself, yes. This must have at least another couple of climbs
>ahead of it.
Sooner or later when you do this, a physical release will be cancelled,
then you'll be stuck... :)
>
>>>>Keane #23
>>>
>>>Random new peak. Maybe it's because people don't like the new one?
>>
>> What new one?
>
>Er, whatever that next single's called. You can see what a deep impression
>it made on me. ;-)
>'Lovers Are Losing' according to the internet.
I assume it's had airplay, then?
>
>>>>NKOTB #34,
>
>>>Incidentally, they so seem to have reverted to crediting themselves as New
>>>Kids On The Block here.
>>
>> When did they change? I thought they always had been called that?
>
>For a while towards the end of their career they tried to sound more grown
>up by calling themselves NKOTB (I think it might even have been nkotb).
I had no idea - I only abbreviated it cos I'm a lazy typer. :)
>
>>>>Metallica (Cy) #48,
>>>
>>>A third charting track from the imminent album, which of course I haven't
>>>heard.
>>
>> Going to buy the album?
>
>No, why?
Just a guess.
>
>>>> Basshunter (AITN) #54,
>>>
>>>The next single, currently scheduled for the 29th.
>>
>> Demonstrating once again why dance acts struggle to generate more than a
>> couple of decent hits.
>
>And yet this is in the Top 60 almost a month before the official release
>date.
As usual, you can blame album-track downloads.
>
>>>>MIA (PP) #69
>>>
>>>Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've no idea why this is back.
>>
>> Due for re-release on 13th Oct.
>
>I saw that - but since it wasn't a massive success the first time, to put it
>mildly, I don't know why people seem to be taking to it now. Is it in an
>advert or something?
>
Even if I'd seen such an ad, I wouldn't realise, since I don't know the
song.
>
>>>> Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) #71,
>>>
>As you'll know, this is precisely the sort of music I hate.
AOR, you mean - especially rock ballads?
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>Miley Cyrus #10
>>>
>>>And the next stage in Disney's plan rolls on...
>>
>> What plan?
>
>To make her a grown-up pop star.
She'll grow up, whatever they do...
>
>Er, because anything Classic FM release is hyped to high even on there, and
>on other related stations.
Because their radio audience is so massive? :)
>
>>>>Biffy Clyro (P) #68,
>>>
>>>Obviously helped by the new single.
>>
>> Even though it isn't on here.
>
>Maybe that's why it's helping. ;-)
Grin.
>
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>>Steve Mac
>>>
>>>Quite possible.
>>
>> I predicted it n Buzzjack for T10, but most people were very sceptical. :)
>
>Maybe they'd heard it.
That's *why* I predicted it for T10...
>
>
>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>
>>>It's hard to keep track really, but I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is out
>>>as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
>>
>> Didn't even realise they had a new album due.
>
>Last time I checked it had beaten Oasis to the top of the Amazon pre-order
>chart, albeit it that it's nearer the time.
For a rock track, it's also been getting respectable levels of airplay -
#23 last week.
I haven't heard it though, as it's unlikely to be played on the music
channels I watch.
>
>>T20 on full release perhaps, but probably not just on downloads.
>
>Either way, it clearly has been released as a download, since it's in the
>iTunes chart.
I just checked - and it's not only *there*, it's on *TOP* of the iTunes
chart!!
I guess that definitively answers whether they're a download-friendly
band. Mind you, if as you say, it is down to pre-orders, they may not
remain there long.
>
>>>> Am I right in thinking that McFly's new single will be released on
>>>> download *before* physicals, this time? If so, they should chart
>>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>>It's currently at 49 on the iTunes chart, if that answers your question.
>>>;-)
>>>
>> Make that #25, now.
>
>23. Any advance on that?
#18 this morning, which I'd guess would mean barely T30 overall.
>
>Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
>shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another couple
>of weeks.
I saw that too, but just like the below, it's had minimal publicity and
made no download impact.
> And I presume you're deliberately ignoring Queen?
I saw it on the NR list, but it's had virtually zero publicity, not yet
on iTunes T100, or out on CD.
Another record that's made a surprise impact on iTunes is #15 In This
City - Iglu & Hartly. Just don't ask me to tell you what it sounds like.
:)
Also, Bonnie Tyler up to #53 (yikes!)
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in claiming
>>>> the #1 spot.
>>>
>>>None at all? Really?
>>
>> I'm basing my prediction on the fact that rock bands only sell fast for a
>> couple of days *anyway*, plus the competition is weak.
>
>I can see some of the sense in that - but it was the "no problems" bit I
>thought went a bit far.
If they had any real competition I wouldn't have said that.
>
>>>> Top 10 NE : Glasvegas,
>>>
>>>Pretty much a cert on hype alone.
>>
>> Their single didn't drop as fast as I thought.
>
>Yes, and 'Geraldine' is still trickling a few sales too, so obviously the
>promotion is working.
I dare say they may even be at #1 on the initial mids, but they don't
have the fanbase to hold onto that.
>
>>>> Bryn Christopher,
>>>
>>>May be a little optimistic (or pessimistic!) given the lukewarm response
>>>to
>>>the single. But I don't write him off.
>>
>> Especially as MOR is an album-selling genre...
>
>It is but it often needs a successful single to start it off.
But not always.
************************************************************************
On a totally separate subject, I taped the MTV Music Awards, and Britney
looks back to her slim & sexy best!
As to her mental state though, that may well still need a bit more work,
though she seemed sane enough in the show - though they didn't let her
sing... :)
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>Paul, do you know anywhere online that sells CD singles cheap?
Not really - I still get mine at the local HMV, and if I can't, then I
wait until my next Amazon order and add them to that.
Chris Brown
>>
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 :
>>
>>> BTW, ISTM that the chart show's interview with Nicole S really screwed
>>> up
>>> their timing yesterday.
>>
>>I didn't hear it.
>>
>>> Secondly, the interview ended up being far longer than they expected.
>>
>>Was it as interesting as Taio Cruz talking about how he'd met the people
>>who
>>wrote 'Umbrella' once?
>
> I don't know - as always, I time-shifted the chart to avoid all the
> between-records waffling.
The highlight of Taio was when he named all these people he'd written songs
for:
"Were they album tracks or singles?"
"Well, they didn't use them, but I did send them."
>>>>>Steve Mac #17,
>>>>
>>>>Out on CD on the 15th.
>>>
>>> Reserving your comments, again?
>>
>>Restraining myself, yes. This must have at least another couple of climbs
>>ahead of it.
>
> Sooner or later when you do this, a physical release will be cancelled,
> then you'll be stuck... :)
As long as it keeps climbing, it doesn't matter.
>>>>>Keane #23
>>>>
>>>>Random new peak. Maybe it's because people don't like the new one?
>>>
>>> What new one?
>>
>>Er, whatever that next single's called. You can see what a deep impression
>>it made on me. ;-)
>>'Lovers Are Losing' according to the internet.
>
> I assume it's had airplay, then?
A bit of it, yeah.
>>>>>Metallica (Cy) #48,
>>>>
>>>>A third charting track from the imminent album, which of course I
>>>>haven't
>>>>heard.
>>>
>>> Going to buy the album?
>>
>>No, why?
>
> Just a guess.
Because I'm so famous for my huge collection of Metallica records?
>>
>>>>>MIA (PP) #69
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I've no idea why this is back.
>>>
>>> Due for re-release on 13th Oct.
>>
>>I saw that - but since it wasn't a massive success the first time, to put
>>it
>>mildly, I don't know why people seem to be taking to it now. Is it in an
>>advert or something?
>>
> Even if I'd seen such an ad, I wouldn't realise, since I don't know the
> song.
It's not a Status Quo cover, I'll tell you that much.
>>>>> Goo Goo Dolls (Iris) #71,
>>>>
>>As you'll know, this is precisely the sort of music I hate.
>
> AOR, you mean - especially rock ballads?
Sort of... there's a slightly more specific edge to it than that, but I
don't quite know how to define it.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>Miley Cyrus #10
>>>>
>>>>And the next stage in Disney's plan rolls on...
>>>
>>> What plan?
>>
>>To make her a grown-up pop star.
>
> She'll grow up, whatever they do...
Well, obviously. But not every child star manages to keep the career going.
>>Er, because anything Classic FM release is hyped to high even on there,
>>and
>>on other related stations.
>
> Because their radio audience is so massive? :)
Last I heard it was the biggest of any commercial station in the UK,
although admittedly it has a slight advantage.
>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>>Steve Mac
>>>>
>>>>Quite possible.
>>>
>>> I predicted it n Buzzjack for T10, but most people were very sceptical.
>>> :)
>>
>>Maybe they'd heard it.
>
> That's *why* I predicted it for T10...
I'll hand it to you and the record company.
>>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>>
>>>>It's hard to keep track really, but I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is
>>>>out
>>>>as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
>>>
>>>T20 on full release perhaps, but probably not just on downloads.
>>
>>Either way, it clearly has been released as a download, since it's in the
>>iTunes chart.
>
> I just checked - and it's not only *there*, it's on *TOP* of the iTunes
> chart!!
It was barely T20 when I said that.
> I guess that definitively answers whether they're a download-friendly
> band. Mind you, if as you say, it is down to pre-orders, they may not
> remain there long.
I didn't think that was what I said!
In any case, the reappearance of 'Fans' last week was evidently
download-driven.
>>Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
>>shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another couple
>>of weeks.
>
> I saw that too, but just like the below, it's had minimal publicity and
> made no download impact.
From what I can see, it's not actually available as a download yet. Even
HMV's own website doesn't think it's out until the 22nd.
>> And I presume you're deliberately ignoring Queen?
>
> I saw it on the NR list, but it's had virtually zero publicity, not yet on
> iTunes T100, or out on CD.
Huh? It's on CD this week, I've even seen it.
> Another record that's made a surprise impact on iTunes is #15 In This
> City - Iglu & Hartly. Just don't ask me to tell you what it sounds like.
> :)
Sadly, I don't need to.
>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in
>>>>> claiming
>>>>> the #1 spot.
>>>>
>>>>None at all? Really?
>>>
>>> I'm basing my prediction on the fact that rock bands only sell fast for
>>> a
>>> couple of days *anyway*, plus the competition is weak.
>>
>>I can see some of the sense in that - but it was the "no problems" bit I
>>thought went a bit far.
>
> If they had any real competition I wouldn't have said that.
Records that have been available four or five days longer must be considered
competition, though?
It also occured to me that the limited edition is probably not eligible, but
in practice I suspect every fan who buys it will buy at least one other
format anyway.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>Was it as interesting as Taio Cruz talking about how he'd met the people
>>>who
>>>wrote 'Umbrella' once?
>>
>> I don't know - as always, I time-shifted the chart to avoid all the
>> between-records waffling.
>
>The highlight of Taio was when he named all these people he'd written songs
>for:
>
>"Were they album tracks or singles?"
>"Well, they didn't use them, but I did send them."
Grin.
>
>>>>>>Steve Mac #17,
>>>>>
>>>>>Out on CD on the 15th.
>>>>
>>>> Reserving your comments, again?
>>>
>>>Restraining myself, yes. This must have at least another couple of climbs
>>>ahead of it.
>>
>> Sooner or later when you do this, a physical release will be cancelled,
>> then you'll be stuck... :)
>
>As long as it keeps climbing, it doesn't matter.
Looking at iTunes, it won't be doing that this week, but will surely
bounce back next week with the physical release (which I for one, will
buy).
>
>>>>>>Metallica
>>>>
>>>> Going to buy the album?
>>>
>>>No, why?
>>
>> Just a guess.
>
>Because I'm so famous for my huge collection of Metallica records?
Well, you seem to like rock generally (except for AOR).
>
>>>
>>>>>>MIA (PP) #69
>>>I don't know why people seem to be taking to it now. Is it in an
>>>advert or something?
>>>
>> Even if I'd seen such an ad, I wouldn't realise, since I don't know the
>> song.
>
>It's not a Status Quo cover, I'll tell you that much.
Not that that would help me ID it, anyway.
>
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>Steve Mac
>>>>>
>I'll hand it to you and the record company.
To get rid of it, you mean? :)
>
>>>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is
>>>>>out
>>>>>as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
>>
>> I just checked - and it's not only *there*, it's on *TOP* of the iTunes
>> chart!!
>
>It was barely T20 when I said that.
I'm astonished by how well it is doing.
A high initial position due to pre-orders might not have been a total
surprise, but it seems to be holding up remarkably well, too.
The $64000 question though, it whether this sales level will be at the
expense of physicals next week, or enhance them?
>
>> I guess that definitively answers whether they're a download-friendly
>> band. Mind you, if as you say, it is down to pre-orders, they may not
>> remain there long.
>
>I didn't think that was what I said!
>In any case, the reappearance of 'Fans' last week was evidently
>download-driven.
I guess they've acquired some new 'fans', too... :)
>
>
>>>Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
>>>shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another couple
>>>of weeks.
>>
>> I saw that too, but just like the below, it's had minimal publicity and
>> made no download impact.
>
>From what I can see, it's not actually available as a download yet. Even
>HMV's own website doesn't think it's out until the 22nd.
Given that it's just T80 based on physical sales, it seems unlikely that
downloads will make any difference, if/when they ever appear.
>
>>> And I presume you're deliberately ignoring Queen?
>>
>> I saw it on the NR list, but it's had virtually zero publicity, not yet on
>> iTunes T100, or out on CD.
>
>Huh? It's on CD this week, I've even seen it.
OK, but that doesn't contradict my comment about lack of publicity -
they obviously still have a substantial fanbase, of course. Just #96 on
iT though.
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Even the late-week release should give Metallica no problems in
>>>>>> claiming
>>>>>> the #1 spot.
>>>
>>>I can see some of the sense in that - but it was the "no problems" bit I
>>>thought went a bit far.
>>
>> If they had any real competition I wouldn't have said that.
>
>Records that have been available four or five days longer must be considered
>competition, though?
Having now seen Glasvegas sales figures, you might be right - I didn't
expect them to sell outside of Scotland.
Chris Brown
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 at 22:24:03, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>> Secondly, the interview ended up being far longer than they expected.
>>>>
>>>>Was it as interesting as Taio Cruz talking about how he'd met the people
>>>>who
>>>>wrote 'Umbrella' once?
>>>
>>> I don't know - as always, I time-shifted the chart to avoid all the
>>> between-records waffling.
>>
>>The highlight of Taio was when he named all these people he'd written
>>songs
>>for:
>>
>>"Were they album tracks or singles?"
>>"Well, they didn't use them, but I did send them."
>
> Grin.
He did say that, though. And apparently he met the people who wrote
'Umbrella' and they said he could have a go at singing it if he wanted to,
but they probably wouldn't let him do it first, as indeed they didn't.
>>>>>>>Metallica
>>>>>
>>>>> Going to buy the album?
>>>>
>>>>No, why?
>>>
>>> Just a guess.
>>
>>Because I'm so famous for my huge collection of Metallica records?
>
> Well, you seem to like rock generally (except for AOR).
You like dance but that doesn't mean you're going to buy the Sonny J album
does it?
>>>>>>>MIA (PP) #69
>
>>>>I don't know why people seem to be taking to it now. Is it in an
>>>>advert or something?
>>>>
>>> Even if I'd seen such an ad, I wouldn't realise, since I don't know the
>>> song.
>>
>>It's not a Status Quo cover, I'll tell you that much.
>
> Not that that would help me ID it, anyway.
I suppose not, although you can probably guess what the Quo record sounds
like.
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>Steve Mac
>>>>>>
>>I'll hand it to you and the record company.
>
> To get rid of it, you mean? :)
Given the choice...
>>>>>>> Any other possibilities (including new download releases)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'd think that if Kings Of Leon is
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>as a download, that'll do reasonably well.
>>>
>>> I just checked - and it's not only *there*, it's on *TOP* of the iTunes
>>> chart!!
>>
>>It was barely T20 when I said that.
>
> I'm astonished by how well it is doing.
>
> A high initial position due to pre-orders might not have been a total
> surprise, but it seems to be holding up remarkably well, too.
Well, it's demonstrably climbed the iTunes chart over the course of the
week, which is more than holding up.
> The $64000 question though, it whether this sales level will be at the
> expense of physicals next week, or enhance them?
Or neither?
>>>>Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
>>>>shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another
>>>>couple
>>>>of weeks.
>>>
>>> I saw that too, but just like the below, it's had minimal publicity and
>>> made no download impact.
>>
>>From what I can see, it's not actually available as a download yet. Even
>>HMV's own website doesn't think it's out until the 22nd.
>
> Given that it's just T80 based on physical sales, it seems unlikely that
> downloads will make any difference, if/when they ever appear.
In practical terms, yes, but if it's really not meant to be out for a couple
of weeks then the promotion may be aimed at that time.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Going to buy the album?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, why?
>>>>
>>>> Just a guess.
>>>
>>>Because I'm so famous for my huge collection of Metallica records?
>>
>> Well, you seem to like rock generally (except for AOR).
>
>You like dance but that doesn't mean you're going to buy the Sonny J album
>does it?
No - but presumably you suggested it for the same reason I suggested
Metallica...
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>Steve Mac
>>>>>>>
>>>I'll hand it to you and the record company.
>>
>> To get rid of it, you mean? :)
>
>Given the choice...
Grin.
>
>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>
>>>> I just checked - and it's not only *there*, it's on *TOP* of the iTunes
>>>> chart!!
>>
>> I'm astonished by how well it is doing.
>>
>> A high initial position due to pre-orders might not have been a total
>> surprise, but it seems to be holding up remarkably well, too.
>
>Well, it's demonstrably climbed the iTunes chart over the course of the
>week, which is more than holding up.
Well, it hasn't climbed since Tuesday... :)
>
>> The $64000 question though, it whether this sales level will be at the
>> expense of physicals next week, or enhance them?
>
>Or neither?
Unless sales of 'Sex On Fire' expand well outside their usual fanbase, I
can't see it spending more than one more week at #1 (assuming it is,
this weekend).
In any case, the album follows on the 22nd, and that will certainly
syphon off some sales from the single.
On a side issue, I suppose I'd better actually *listen* to SoF...
[Heads to Youtube...]
OK, that wasn't what I was expecting - I thought they were supposed to
be a heavy metal group?
Not a bad song, though.
>
>>>>>Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
>>>>>shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another
>>>>>couple
>>>>>of weeks.
>>
>> Given that it's just T80 based on physical sales, it seems unlikely that
>> downloads will make any difference, if/when they ever appear.
>
>In practical terms, yes, but if it's really not meant to be out for a couple
>of weeks then the promotion may be aimed at that time.
Except that promo is still aimed at the physical release date,
especially so for long-established artists whose sales are
overwhelmingly physical based.
Chris Brown
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 at 22:08:40, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>
>>>>>>>>>Metallica
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going to buy the album?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a guess.
>>>>
>>>>Because I'm so famous for my huge collection of Metallica records?
>>>
>>> Well, you seem to like rock generally (except for AOR).
>>
>>You like dance but that doesn't mean you're going to buy the Sonny J album
>>does it?
>
> No - but presumably you suggested it for the same reason I suggested
> Metallica...
Er, but I guessed you wouldn't?
Obviously, nobody who likes rock music can like all rock music. Although I'm
on the verge of buying Do You Like Rock Music?
>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>>
>>>>> I just checked - and it's not only *there*, it's on *TOP* of the
>>>>> iTunes
>>>>> chart!!
>>>
>>> I'm astonished by how well it is doing.
>>>
>>> A high initial position due to pre-orders might not have been a total
>>> surprise, but it seems to be holding up remarkably well, too.
>>
>>Well, it's demonstrably climbed the iTunes chart over the course of the
>>week, which is more than holding up.
>
> Well, it hasn't climbed since Tuesday... :)
Good point. I can't argue with that.
>>> The $64000 question though, it whether this sales level will be at the
>>> expense of physicals next week, or enhance them?
>>
>>Or neither?
>
> Unless sales of 'Sex On Fire' expand well outside their usual fanbase,
Have they not already done that?
>I
> can't see it spending more than one more week at #1 (assuming it is, this
> weekend).
Famous last words, of course, but I would have thought that physicals would
help keep them up there.
> In any case, the album follows on the 22nd, and that will certainly syphon
> off some sales from the single.
Presumably so, although not necessarily more than usual.
> On a side issue, I suppose I'd better actually *listen* to SoF...
>
> [Heads to Youtube...]
>
> OK, that wasn't what I was expecting - I thought they were supposed to be
> a heavy metal group?
What, because they've got the word "Kings" in their name?
Nope, they've always really been known as Southern rockers, although they
did come up with a couple more ideas on that last album.
>>>>>>Meanwhile, I noticed HMV Harrow had the Elvis vs Spankox single on the
>>>>>>shelves today, which I didn't think was meant to be out for another
>>>>>>couple
>>>>>>of weeks.
>>>
>>> Given that it's just T80 based on physical sales, it seems unlikely that
>>> downloads will make any difference, if/when they ever appear.
>>
>>In practical terms, yes, but if it's really not meant to be out for a
>>couple
>>of weeks then the promotion may be aimed at that time.
>
> Except that promo is still aimed at the physical release date, especially
> so for long-established artists whose sales are overwhelmingly physical
> based.
That's what I mean though - if (and I do stress the "if") the intended
physical release date really was the 22nd and all the promotion has been
aimed at that date then not many people are going to be buying it now.
Of course, it could very well be argued that if this single is dependant on
the fanbase for sales then it's already failed. But I think we knew that.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>
>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Well, it's demonstrably climbed the iTunes chart over the course of the
>>>week, which is more than holding up.
>>
>> Well, it hasn't climbed since Tuesday... :)
>
>Good point. I can't argue with that.
:)
>
>>>> The $64000 question though, it whether this sales level will be at the
>>>> expense of physicals next week, or enhance them?
>>>
>>>Or neither?
>>
>> Unless sales of 'Sex On Fire' expand well outside their usual fanbase,
>
>Have they not already done that?
Well, ISTM a useful hint of the size of a rock group's fanbase is the
initial sales of a new album, and their last one sold 70k on week 1
(there's an argument for boosting that figure with 2nd week sales too,
which would add another 29k)
On that basis they haven't *necessarily* sold 'Sex On Fire' to anyone
other than their core fans, though in practical terms, due to the slight
change of direction, they've probably sold more to casual buyers than
they usually do.
>
>>I
>> can't see it spending more than one more week at #1 (assuming it is, this
>> weekend).
>
>Famous last words, of course, but I would have thought that physicals would
>help keep them up there.
Maybe, but there's the complicating factor of Will Young's download - he
has the potential to easily sell more on download alone than KoL's
combined sales.
>
>> In any case, the album follows on the 22nd, and that will certainly syphon
>> off some sales from the single.
>
>Presumably so, although not necessarily more than usual.
But their singles have never even gone T10 before, so can we really
apply the normal rules?
>>
>> OK, that wasn't what I was expecting - I thought they were supposed to be
>> a heavy metal group?
>
>What, because they've got the word "Kings" in their name?
No comment... :)
>Nope, they've always really been known as Southern rockers, although they
>did come up with a couple more ideas on that last album.
Did you buy it, then?
>
>>
>> Except that promo is still aimed at the physical release date, especially
>> so for long-established artists whose sales are overwhelmingly physical
>> based.
>
>That's what I mean though - if (and I do stress the "if") the intended
>physical release date really was the 22nd and all the promotion has been
>aimed at that date then not many people are going to be buying it now.
The question is - how did you get the impression it wasn't out until the
22nd? It *was* listed on the NR sched for the 8th, after all.
In any case, core fans are extremely good at finding out what date their
idols new material is out, regardless of how little mainstream publicity
the material may have.
Chris Brown
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 at 21:35:36, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, it's demonstrably climbed the iTunes chart over the course of the
>>>>week, which is more than holding up.
>>>>> expense of physicals next week, or enhance them?
>>>>
>>>>Or neither?
>>>
>>> Unless sales of 'Sex On Fire' expand well outside their usual fanbase,
>>
>>Have they not already done that?
>
> Well, ISTM a useful hint of the size of a rock group's fanbase is the
> initial sales of a new album, and their last one sold 70k on week 1
> (there's an argument for boosting that figure with 2nd week sales too,
> which would add another 29k)
>
> On that basis they haven't *necessarily* sold 'Sex On Fire' to anyone
> other than their core fans, though in practical terms, due to the slight
> change of direction, they've probably sold more to casual buyers than they
> usually do.
But it doesn't seem very likely that 'On Call' (or for that matter 'The
Bucket') sold anything like as much as that so that implies that it's
selling beyond their typical single-buying market even if only to people who
previously made do with the albums.
>>>I
>>> can't see it spending more than one more week at #1 (assuming it is,
>>> this
>>> weekend).
>>
>>Famous last words, of course, but I would have thought that physicals
>>would
>>help keep them up there.
>
> Maybe, but there's the complicating factor of Will Young's download - he
> has the potential to easily sell more on download alone than KoL's
> combined sales.
But that potential is all based on his previous physical sales, so it's by
no means certain.
>>> In any case, the album follows on the 22nd, and that will certainly
>>> syphon
>>> off some sales from the single.
>>
>>Presumably so, although not necessarily more than usual.
>
> But their singles have never even gone T10 before, so can we really apply
> the normal rules?
Not necessarily - but it seems a little counter-intuitive to suggest that
the single selling well implies it'll sell less.
>>> OK, that wasn't what I was expecting - I thought they were supposed to
>>> be
>>> a heavy metal group?
>>
>>What, because they've got the word "Kings" in their name?
>
> No comment... :)
>
>>Nope, they've always really been known as Southern rockers, although they
>>did come up with a couple more ideas on that last album.
>
> Did you buy it, then?
No, but I have heard a few tracks. And other people have mentioned it.
Somebody who bought their first album told me once that he liked the first
track, but all the others were exactly the same as it.
>>> Except that promo is still aimed at the physical release date,
>>> especially
>>> so for long-established artists whose sales are overwhelmingly physical
>>> based.
>>
>>That's what I mean though - if (and I do stress the "if") the intended
>>physical release date really was the 22nd and all the promotion has been
>>aimed at that date then not many people are going to be buying it now.
>
> The question is - how did you get the impression it wasn't out until the
> 22nd? It *was* listed on the NR sched for the 8th, after all.
For a start, HMV's own website lists it on that date. It's also not on
SonyBMG's own website. And it would be extremely unusual to release a single
digitally *after* the album.
> In any case, core fans are extremely good at finding out what date their
> idols new material is out, regardless of how little mainstream publicity
> the material may have.
Right, but part of the reason for that is targetted publicity. So if that's
not there it will be a problem - particularly since most of the potential
buyers of this probably aren't the sort who frequent the singles sections of
record shops otherwise.
On a tangent, I did notice while perusing the SBMG site that Lil' Chris
still appears to be signed to the label. Who'da thunk it, etc.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>
>>>
>>>Have they not already done that?
>>
>> Well, ISTM a useful hint of the size of a rock group's fanbase is the
>> initial sales of a new album, and their last one sold 70k on week 1
>> (there's an argument for boosting that figure with 2nd week sales too,
>> which would add another 29k)
>>
>> On that basis they haven't *necessarily* sold 'Sex On Fire' to anyone
>> other than their core fans, though in practical terms, due to the slight
>> change of direction, they've probably sold more to casual buyers than they
>> usually do.
>
>But it doesn't seem very likely that 'On Call' (or for that matter 'The
>Bucket') sold anything like as much as that so that implies that it's
>selling beyond their typical single-buying market even if only to people who
>previously made do with the albums.
Precisely, hence my comment about selling more to casual buyers than
usual.
>>
>> Maybe, but there's the complicating factor of Will Young's download - he
>> has the potential to easily sell more on download alone than KoL's
>> combined sales.
>
>But that potential is all based on his previous physical sales, so it's by
>no means certain.
Using that logic, Kings Of Leon shouldn't be heading for #1, then...
>>
>
Re : Elvis v Spankox
>>
>> The question is - how did you get the impression it wasn't out until the
>> 22nd? It *was* listed on the NR sched for the 8th, after all.
>
>For a start, HMV's own website lists it on that date.
Obviously no-one told the shelf-stackers in their stores, then...
>
>> In any case, core fans are extremely good at finding out what date their
>> idols new material is out, regardless of how little mainstream publicity
>> the material may have.
>
>Right, but part of the reason for that is targetted publicity.
Using it as backing music for retirement plans & arthritis cream, you
mean? :)
Chris Brown
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 at 19:12:19, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless sales of 'Sex On Fire' expand well outside their usual fanbase,
>>>>
>>>>Have they not already done that?
>>>
>>> Well, ISTM a useful hint of the size of a rock group's fanbase is the
>>> initial sales of a new album, and their last one sold 70k on week 1
>>> (there's an argument for boosting that figure with 2nd week sales too,
>>> which would add another 29k)
>>>
>>> On that basis they haven't *necessarily* sold 'Sex On Fire' to anyone
>>> other than their core fans, though in practical terms, due to the slight
>>> change of direction, they've probably sold more to casual buyers than
>>> they
>>> usually do.
>>
>>But it doesn't seem very likely that 'On Call' (or for that matter 'The
>>Bucket') sold anything like as much as that so that implies that it's
>>selling beyond their typical single-buying market even if only to people
>>who
>>previously made do with the albums.
>
> Precisely, hence my comment about selling more to casual buyers than
> usual.
Fine, but on that basis anything that starts with the assumption of sales
not expanding beyond the fanbase is pretty pointless.
>>> Maybe, but there's the complicating factor of Will Young's download - he
>>> has the potential to easily sell more on download alone than KoL's
>>> combined sales.
>>
>>But that potential is all based on his previous physical sales, so it's by
>>no means certain.
>
> Using that logic, Kings Of Leon shouldn't be heading for #1, then...
That's sort of the point though - did you think last Saturday night that
they were going to? I certainly didn't. And we've got more relevant data for
them than Will.
> Re : Elvis v Spankox
>>>
>>> The question is - how did you get the impression it wasn't out until the
>>> 22nd? It *was* listed on the NR sched for the 8th, after all.
>>
>>For a start, HMV's own website lists it on that date.
>
> Obviously no-one told the shelf-stackers in their stores, then...
Apparenrtly not. I thought at first maybe it was just a local incident but
it looks like they've done that nationwide.
It certainly was pencilled in for this week at one point, though, prompting
excitable talk of a Cliff v. Elvis chart battle.
>>> In any case, core fans are extremely good at finding out what date their
>>> idols new material is out, regardless of how little mainstream publicity
>>> the material may have.
>>
>>Right, but part of the reason for that is targetted publicity.
>
> Using it as backing music for retirement plans & arthritis cream, you
> mean? :)
Booo.
I was thinking more in terms of promotional e-mails and stuff (even I got
one for the Cliff single). If those all say "buy the single on the 22nd"
people probably won't be looking on the 8th.
As I hinted before, the intent of this single must in any case have been to
repeat the crossover success of 'A Little Less Conversation'. So if (as
indeed seems to be the case) it's depending on the fans it's already failed.
Chris
Paul Hyett
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>>>
>>>But it doesn't seem very likely that 'On Call' (or for that matter 'The
>>>Bucket') sold anything like as much as that so that implies that it's
>>>selling beyond their typical single-buying market even if only to people
>>>who
>>>previously made do with the albums.
>>
>> Precisely, hence my comment about selling more to casual buyers than
>> usual.
>
>Fine, but on that basis anything that starts with the assumption of sales
>not expanding beyond the fanbase is pretty pointless.
My only excuse is that I still hasn't sunk in that a group that has
never even had a T10 single before, can suddenly leap straight in at #1
on downloads alone.
Even if I *had* heard it before its spectacular midweek debut, I would
still never even have pegged it for T10 though - to me it sounds no
better than a hundred other songs I've heard from that genre.
>
>>>
>>>But that potential is all based on his previous physical sales, so it's by
>>>no means certain.
>>
>> Using that logic, Kings Of Leon shouldn't be heading for #1, then...
>
>That's sort of the point though - did you think last Saturday night that
>they were going to? I certainly didn't. And we've got more relevant data for
>them than Will.
I disagree - WY has had plenty of previous sings success to go on,
whereas KoL has had little.
>
>It certainly was pencilled in for this week at one point, though, prompting
>excitable talk of a Cliff v. Elvis chart battle.
In the event, the latter couldn't have done much worse if Elvis's name
hadn't even have been attached to the song. :)
>
>>>
>>>Right, but part of the reason for that is targetted publicity.
>>
>> Using it as backing music for retirement plans & arthritis cream, you
>> mean? :)
>
>Booo.
>
>I was thinking more in terms of promotional e-mails and stuff (even I got
>one for the Cliff single).
How on earth are you even on Cliff's mailing list, BTW? :)
Chris Brown
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 at 15:19:32, Chris Brown <extreme...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>>>>>
>>>>But it doesn't seem very likely that 'On Call' (or for that matter 'The
>>>>Bucket') sold anything like as much as that so that implies that it's
>>>>selling beyond their typical single-buying market even if only to people
>>>>who
>>>>previously made do with the albums.
>>>
>>> Precisely, hence my comment about selling more to casual buyers than
>>> usual.
>>
>>Fine, but on that basis anything that starts with the assumption of sales
>>not expanding beyond the fanbase is pretty pointless.
>
> My only excuse is that I still hasn't sunk in that a group that has never
> even had a T10 single before, can suddenly leap straight in at #1 on
> downloads alone.
I know how you feel - but I guess if a band are going to make a leap like
that, the chances are it will be on downloads because that's where most of
the casual single buyers are.
> Even if I *had* heard it before its spectacular midweek debut, I would
> still never even have pegged it for T10 though - to me it sounds no better
> than a hundred other songs I've heard from that genre.
Well I had (albeit not much) and I didn't.
>>>>But that potential is all based on his previous physical sales, so it's
>>>>by
>>>>no means certain.
>>>
>>> Using that logic, Kings Of Leon shouldn't be heading for #1, then...
>>
>>That's sort of the point though - did you think last Saturday night that
>>they were going to? I certainly didn't. And we've got more relevant data
>>for
>>them than Will.
>
> I disagree - WY has had plenty of previous sings success to go on, whereas
> KoL has had little.
Does it help if I say that "more" modifies the word "relevant" rather than
"data"? Actually, they've both made about the same number of chart
appearances, but the point I'm thinking of is the the Kings have released
singles much more recently than him, so we can get a snapshot of how they've
fared in the download era: and *despite* that they've still pulled off a
surprise here.
>>It certainly was pencilled in for this week at one point, though,
>>prompting
>>excitable talk of a Cliff v. Elvis chart battle.
>
> In the event, the latter couldn't have done much worse if Elvis's name
> hadn't even have been attached to the song. :)
Only if you think Spankox has enough fans to manage a Number 84 single.
>>>>
>>>>Right, but part of the reason for that is targetted publicity.
>>>
>>> Using it as backing music for retirement plans & arthritis cream, you
>>> mean? :)
>>
>>Booo.
>>
>>I was thinking more in terms of promotional e-mails and stuff (even I got
>>one for the Cliff single).
>
> How on earth are you even on Cliff's mailing list, BTW? :)
I'm not (honest!) but I am on EMI's Fifties music list, which they obviously
though was a worthy target for this. I'm sure the actual Cliff list got a
lot more than I did.
Chris
Paul Hyett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kings Of Leon
>>>
>>>not expanding beyond the fanbase is pretty pointless.
>>
>> My only excuse is that I still hasn't sunk in that a group that has never
>> even had a T10 single before, can suddenly leap straight in at #1 on
>> downloads alone.
>
>I know how you feel - but I guess if a band are going to make a leap like
>that, the chances are it will be on downloads because that's where most of
>the casual single buyers are.
Fair enough.
>
>> Even if I *had* heard it before its spectacular midweek debut, I would
>> still never even have pegged it for T10 though - to me it sounds no better
>> than a hundred other songs I've heard from that genre.
>
>Well I had (albeit not much) and I didn't.
That's something of a relief then - more often than not, it's just me
who can't see what others do in an unexpected big hit...
>Does it help if I say that "more" modifies the word "relevant" rather than
>"data"? Actually, they've both made about the same number of chart
>appearances, but the point I'm thinking of is the the Kings have released
>singles much more recently than him, so we can get a snapshot of how they've
>fared in the download era
Which didn't really help. Before this, they'd only managed a couple of
T20 downloads.
>: and *despite* that they've still pulled off a
>surprise here.
Exactly.
>>
>> In the event, the latter couldn't have done much worse if Elvis's name
>> hadn't even have been attached to the song. :)
>
>Only if you think Spankox has enough fans to manage a Number 84 single.
I doubt they have enough fans to manage 84 *sales*. :)
S_...@hotmail.co.uk
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 at 21:10:44, Chris Brown
>
>
> >> still never even have pegged it for T10 though - to me it sounds no better
> >> than a hundred other songs I've heard from that genre.
>
> >Well I had (albeit not much) and I didn't.
>
> That's something of a relief then - more often than not, it's just me
> who can't see what others do in an unexpected big hit...
>
In the event, the latter couldn't have done much worse ifElvis'sname
> >> hadn't even have been attached to the song. :)
>
> >Only if you think Spankox has enough fans to manage a Number 84 single.
>
> I doubt they have enough fans to manage 84 *sales*. :)
Btw, though some Elvis fans liked the Spankox remix, many said they
couldn't stand it, so wouldn't be buying it. BMG/Sony heisitated about
releasing the single in the UK (it had been released in other
countires months ago and even topped their singles charts on mostly
downloads). By the time it came out in the UK, with the mix-up at HMV
which meant they couldn't sell any copies until the 22nd (they could
only sell online from 8th September), and the zero promotion, and the
track's availability overseas, the fans and others did not rush out as
they normally do. Also, its not a limited, numbered release, so the
collectors were not interested.
The "Hitstory" album, on the other hand is comprised of the
compilations "30 No1s", "Second To None" and I think, one other, at
the bargian price of £5. That explains why it returned to the chart
and kept selling steadily enough to chart.
The new release will be "Christmas Duets" album (3rd November, I
think). In America it will be fairly well promoted, but over here,
because the other artists on the album are just female country
singers, it may make less of an impact. Then Sony/BMG and the Elvis
Presley Estate will focus on another "Duets" album for 2009, with
possible collaborations with male and or pop artists of the day.