Chart commentary 9/2/13

[Paul Hyett]

Singles
-------
Bingo Players hold on comfortably at #1, but are likely to be ousted
next week.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Mackelmore, etc. #2
Top 10 : Devlin #10
Top 20 : Dizzee Rascal #14, Flo Rida #17, Rita Ora #18
Top 30 : Ellie Goulding (Exp) #21, Matrix/Futurebound #24, Disclosure
#28, Droideka #29
Top 40 : Little Mix #31

Re-entries T40 : Bieber/Minaj #33

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Jessie Ware #41, Risk
#60, Justin Bieber (NLU) #68

Re-entries T75 : Justin Bieber (ALAYLM) #54, EM & Ri #56, Fray #57,
Maroon 5 (SWBL) #65, Nickelback (HYRM) #66, Skrillex (Bang) #72, BoB ft
Hayley Williams #74, Justin Bieber (Boy) #75


Albums
------
Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 5 : Justin Bieber #5
Top 10 : Andrea Bocelli #9
Top 20 : Jools Holland #11, Alicia Keys #13

New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Funeral For A Friend #34,
Local Natives #58, Flux Pavillion #60, Area 11 #75

Re-entries : Fleetwood Mac (Rumours) #3, Mick Hucknall #36, Jessie Ware
#54, Dire Straits #66, Justin Bieber #73, Frank Ocean #74


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.

I don't see *any* obvious new entries amongst the week's new releases.

Top 5 : Disclosure
Top 10 : Dizzee, Rita Ora
Top 20 :
Top 30 :
Top 40 :

There may be more unexpected OA/OS releases, though.

Albums
------
Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.


Top 5 :
Top 10 : Courteeners
Top 20 : Destiny's Child, Mavericks

Others : Devlin, Eels, Frightened Rabbit, Katherine Jenkins, Kimberley
Walsh, Richard Clayderman
--
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[Chris Brown]

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> Singles
> -------
> Bingo Players hold on comfortably at #1, but are likely to be ousted next
> week.

Of course, they'd probably never have got there without the mallard-filled
video, which I chose not to mention last week in the expectation that they'd
stay at the top of the chart. I was going to post - or at least link to - my
own video of some mallards fighting but then I realised I hadn't actually
filmed one.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Mackelmore, etc. #2

Unusually for an American act, they first broke through in Australia, where
this was Number One until it was deposed by their follow-up. You can sort of
tell I'm filling until it gets to Number One can't you?

> Top 10 : Devlin #10

Featuring singer Diane Birch, who turned 30 a week ago; indeed this track is
based on a song from her 2009 album Bible Belt, although some people have
noticed that, especially in this version, it bears a passing resemblance to
'Alone' by Heart (which I was coincidentally listening to earlier today) and
thus to Alicia Reed's 'Alone Again', a Top 3 hit exactly a year ago.

> Top 20 : Dizzee Rascal #14,

I would presume that this track is no longer available as an (official) free
download. It has grown on me somewhat.

>Flo Rida #17,

Given that this already has a video and has already been marked down to 59p,
it's now unlikely to make the Top 10.

>Rita Ora #18

I read a news story about an interview which said she hadn't stopped using
Twitter. That isn't very interesting but then neither is this song, which is
so dull I can hardly remember that it even exists when I'm not listening to
it, let alone what it sounds like.

> Top 30 : Ellie Goulding (Exp) #21,

Now officially a single and apparently there's even a video. Another number
that seems to have grown on me somewhat.

> Matrix/Futurebound #24,

A decent track that I don't have a lot to say about.

>Disclosure #28,

A surprise Friday release likely to do bigger things next week. It's a Top
40 debut for featured act AlunaGeorge, although I don't know exactly what
George contributes here.

>Droideka #29

Another debut, this time from a teenage producer who records in his bedroom.
You can see why this works well for background music on videos, because it's
a good song in small doses but doesn't really go anywhere.

Note that this is the third consecutive dance track we've mentioned here,
and anything up to the fifth overall. Might the January/February dance hit
be making a comeback?

> Top 40 : Little Mix #31

Another track that saw video release this week, which probably saved it from
dropping out of the Top 40.

> Re-entries T40 : Bieber/Minaj #33

This climb is presumably mostly due to the release of an acoustic version on
his new album. It makes this one of his longest-stayers in the chart,
despite his relatively low peak.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Jessie Ware #41,

A couple of days ago this looked about to become her first Top 40 single,
but it was effectively kept out by the arrival of Disclosure.
As I mentioned last week, 'If You're Never Gonna Move' is a reworking of her
2012 hit '110%', which had to be changed and retitled in some countries due
to sample clearance problems. As it happens, I bought a single this week
that had the same problem back in 1997 'Disco Machine Gun' by Lo-Fidelity
Allstars.

> Risk #60,

The boy band who did moderately well on X Factor a couple of years back, and
whom I tipped to scrape into the Top 40 with the benefit of bundle sales. It
turns out they didn't have any bundles.

>Justin Bieber (NLU) #68

I believe, no pun intended, that this is one of the couple of genuinely new
songs added to his new album release.

> Re-entries T75 : Justin Bieber (ALAYLM) #54,

Another one he's re-recorded. I suppose this means that Big Sean doesn't
entirely deserve the extra chart week he gets for this, but it'll be some
compensation for the 21-place drop of 'Clique'.

>EM & Ri #56,

As it happens I was writing about this on my blog earlier today.

>Fray #57,

I notice you don't feel it necessary to indicate which Fray song is
recharting. I don't disagree.

> Maroon 5 (SWBL) #65, Nickelback (HYRM) #66,

Though these aren't the most obvious songs by these two groups, unless you'd
been following the iTunes chart.

> Skrillex (Bang) #72,

I presume this is his biggest seller by now.

>BoB ft Hayley Williams #74,

I sort of thought this already was his.

> Justin Bieber (Boy) #75

See above. Except the bit about Big Sean, obviously.

> Albums
> ------
> Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1

And more surprisingly their biggest ever weekly sale (also the biggest of
the year to date, but that doesn't mean so much this early). Just over three
years ago, Only Revolutions entered at 8 on 43000 sales after three major
hit singles (it eventually peaked at 3). Given the time of year and the
decline in the market as a whole since then, I was confident this could
reach the highest chart position but less sure they could actually beat the
initial sales of their previous albums. Evidently I was wrong, though, as
this shifted over 71k.

Although the album is available as a 14-track single CD, the 20-track double
album is apparently to be considered the definitive edition; it's the one I
saw for sale in Sainsbury's. Actually even this version's just about short
enough to be squeezed onto one disc, but each half is supposed to be
thematically different.
It hasn't stopped them scoring their first chart-topper with their sixth
studio album, though.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Justin Bieber #5

The title of Believe Acoustic is fairly self-explanatory. I suppose it's
infinitessimally interesting that his UK label have followed their North
American branch by releasing this as a separate entity from the original
album, whereas the variations on My World were all combined into longer and
longer albums than inherited the same chart run.

> Top 10 : Andrea Bocelli #9

His 800th seemingly identical album, Passione reunites him with producer
David Foster, famous for his work on many bland but hugely successful
records. It's described as "an album of Mediterranean love songs" with
"Cuban, Brazilian and Portuguese rhythms and a 63-piece orchestra recorded
in London." Geography doesn't seem to be their strong point then. The album
features guest trumpeter Chris Botti and duets with Jennifer Lopez, Nelly
Furtado and the late Edith Piaf.

> Top 20 : Jools Holland #11, Alicia Keys #13

Two beneficiaries of recent appearances with Jonathan Ross, who appears to
have forgotten how to shave. Keys didn't perform the title track of her
album, but that seems to have been the song that got most of the benefit
which makes me wonder how dull her new one can possibly be. Also this week,
she's been paid a huge amount of money to advertise - sorry, she's entered
into a creative partnership with a well-known brand of smartphone. A brand
which some people have noticed wasn't the one she was tweeting from last
week.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Funeral For A Friend #34,

A rock act with a similarly-sized catalogue to Biffy Clyro, although in some
ways their career seems to have gone in the opposite direction commercially.
Maybe even artistically, as this album is said to be a return to the very
aggressive sound of their earliest recordings, though only two original
members are still in the band.
It occurs to me that the relative underperformance of some rock albums in
the last couple of weeks may not be wholly unrelated to the problems at
HMV - Biffy had no worries on that score, of course, but some others would
have.

> Local Natives #58,

Well, I didn't think they were any more popular than Dutch Uncles, but I
seem to have been proved wrong again. Although this Californian act have
also weathered some line-up changes, losing a bassist since their first
album, they've also attracted the attention of Top 5 album act The National,
whose lead singer Aaron Dessner produced this follow-up set. Unlike their
debut, this was only released here one day before the US street date.

> Flux Pavillion #60,

A digital-only eight-track mini album - in the sense that there are eight
songs on it of course, nobody invented a digital eight-track cartridge -
although it actually runs five minutes longer than the Funeral For A Friend
album. It's his major label debut and features all-new material so there's
no 'Bass Cannon'. There are collaborations with Sway and Childish Gambino
though.

>Area 11 #75

Another download-only release from the people who brought you the minor hit
'Minecraft Christmas' a few weeks ago. They evidently have a condierable
fanbase online for their songs about Japanese anime cartoons, which is
presumably why they didn't bother with a physical album.

> Re-entries : Fleetwood Mac (Rumours) #3,

Although they were in the Top 10 as recently as last summer, and their last
new album, 2003's Say You Will, peaked at 6, this is their highest album
chart position since 1990.
It's supposedly a 35th anniversary re-issue (since when were those a thing?)
of their most famous album, although it seems to have been scheduled for the
35th anniversary of its only week at the top of the UK album chart, rather
than that of its original release in 1977. The second album by the
transatlantic AOR version of the band, Rumours is officially the
most-charted album of all time, though this record is of dubious validity
given the varying size and composition of the album chart over the years.
There's no denying it was a massive success though, despite the lack of a
Top 20 single on this side of the Atlantic; according to figures released by
the OCC this week, it includes five of the act's most downloaded tracks in
the digital era, the second biggest being 'The Chain', never an official
single but familiar to millions of us through its use in television coverage
of motor racing. The album has of course been available on CD since the
1980s and a deluxe remaster was briefly available in 2004; this is what's
available again as a single CD or a triple pack with the addition of a live
album from the era and a set of outtakes - not the same ones that were
released in 2004, apparently, although those do appear in the "Super deluxe"
boxed set alongside the other three CDs, a DVD and a vinyl LP. The album's
also available on vinyl separately, at your choice of either 33 or 45 rpm.
Oh, and it's available as a download too. Nice little earner for them I
should think.
Would now be a good time to admit that I not only don't own this album, I've
never even heard it all the way through?

>Mick Hucknall #36,

His album of soul covers now adds the "bonus" of a live CD, although on the
positive side it also has a new cover that looks less like he's doing a big
poo. It's also an excuse for the supermarkets to restock it, although like
the other two big Warner Music releases this week it seems to have made its
way to HMV. I don't know whether this is a coincidence.

>Jessie Ware #54,

It is a coincidence that this is where her single was last week.

>Dire Straits #66,

And Mark Knopfler, to be precise. Obviously, he'd be on all the Dire Straits
tracks anyway, but this album includes some of his solo material.

> Justin Bieber #73,

The original incarnation of Believe, which is up 30 places so there must
have been a genuine sales increase, though whether people were buying it by
mistake I can't tell you beyond the obvious joke.

>Frank Ocean #74

It dropped fast when they started charging normal prices for it.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.

Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.

> I don't see *any* obvious new entries amongst the week's new releases.

Excluding a couple of songs that are "officially" released this week but
were already in the chart, I tend to agree.

> Top 5 : Disclosure

Definite Top 10, we'll have to wait and see how it keeps up the momentum now
it's a couple of days old.
Also, and I admit I wouldn't have predicted this at the time of your
posting, I think Emeli's 'Clown' might make it in here.

> Top 10 : Dizzee,

Possible. Probably won't be another Number One for him though.

> Rita Ora

Who knows?

> Top 20 :

Ellie G could clip the T20 I think.

> Top 40 :

Jessie Ware is in with a chance, as might Kendrick Lamar (note that neither
of these is a new release, so I'm not contradicting myself).

> There may be more unexpected OA/OS releases, though.

There could be although in all honesty there have only been two on the
singles chart this year, so it's not a sure thing. Beyonce is the obvious
possibility.

> Albums
> ------
> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.

They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem pretty
front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll reserve judgement
until I see what Les Mis sold this week.

> Top 10 : Courteeners

Not impossible, but I wouldn't bank on it as this has had nothing like the
same attention as their previous albums.

> Top 20 : Destiny's Child,

I'm surprised how far down the Amazon chart this is, despite the low price.
Perhaps it's unfortunate that they announced their "comeback" at the same
time as lots of more interesting ones and got crowded out, or maybe they
should have put some hits on it. Anyway, I'm not going to stay up and watch
the Superbowl to see if the rumours are true.

>Mavericks

This, by contrast, is Number 2 on Amazon's pre-orders at time of writing. I
wouldn't expect that much casual demand for it though so it may or may not
go Top 10 IMO.

> Others : Devlin,

I don't know whether the bigger singles from this might help push it ahead
of his first album (which peaked at 21), but the record company presumably
think so otherwise they wouldn't have postponed the release.

>Eels,

This is the one album beating the Mavericks on Amazon. Obviously it's not
going to be a Number One in real life but it looks like it could be his
biggest one in a while, particularly with the increased influence of direct
online sales. I assume mine will count.

>Frightened Rabbit,

Another rock act hoping for the big breakthrough, and they are on Warner now
so that might help a bit.

>Katherine Jenkins,

You'd know better than I would - is this a real album or another old-label
cash-in? And is it expensive enough to chart?

> Kimberley Walsh,

Rumour has it that the record company have already given up on this release.
But I'm sure it'll get some fanbase sales in week 1.

>Richard Clayderman

I'm quite glad to say I didn't know this was being released. And I'm too far
from the target audience to have any idea whether this will sell; whilst I
know his last new album to chart was in 1995 I'm too far out of the loop to
know whether he's even released any since then.

In addition, Ron Sexsmith must be in with a shout for a second chart album
and we have the rare event of an OAOS album release from My Bloody
Valentine, though as that's a website exclusive we'll have to wait and see
whether it can chart.

Chris
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[Paul Hyett]

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 at 23:33:57, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Bingo Players hold on comfortably at #1, but are likely to be ousted next
>> week.
>
>Of course, they'd probably never have got there without the mallard-filled
>video

So people hate the music, but love the ducks? :p

>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------

>> Top 20 : Dizzee Rascal #14,
>
>I would presume that this track is no longer available as an (official) free
>download. It has grown on me somewhat.

Not me. :)

>
>> Top 30 : Ellie Goulding (Exp) #21,
>
>Now officially a single and apparently there's even a video. Another number
>that seems to have grown on me somewhat.

A very 'knocked-together-at-the-last-minute' looking video, though.

>
>
>>Disclosure #28,
>
>A surprise Friday release

One that Jessie Ware will be particularly unhappy about...

>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Jessie Ware #41,
>
>A couple of days ago this looked about to become her first Top 40 single,
>but it was effectively kept out by the arrival of Disclosure.

See above.

>
>>EM & Ri #56,
>
>As it happens I was writing about this on my blog earlier today.

Not much else to say about it.

>
>>BoB ft Hayley Williams #74,
>
>I sort of thought this already was his.

Huh?

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1
>
>And more surprisingly their biggest ever weekly sale (also the biggest of
>the year to date, but that doesn't mean so much this early). Just over three
>years ago, Only Revolutions entered at 8 on 43000 sales after three major
>hit singles (it eventually peaked at 3). Given the time of year and the
>decline in the market as a whole since then, I was confident this could
>reach the highest chart position but less sure they could actually beat the
>initial sales of their previous albums. Evidently I was wrong, though, as
>this shifted over 71k.

I was surprised to hear this is their 6th album - I only remembered 3 of
them.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>

>> Top 10 : Andrea Bocelli #9
>
>His 800th seemingly identical album

You've bought them all, then? :p

>
>> Top 20 : Jools Holland #11, Alicia Keys #13
>
>Two beneficiaries of recent appearances with Jonathan Ross

I only just spotted the new peak for Alicia in time.

>
>> Re-entries : Fleetwood Mac (Rumours) #3,
>
>Although they were in the Top 10 as recently as last summer

Not with *this*, though.

>
>>Mick Hucknall #36,
>
>His album of soul covers now adds the "bonus" of a live CD, although on
>the positive side it also has a new cover that looks less like he's
>doing a big poo.

Huh?

>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.
>
>Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.

Unfortunately.

>
>> Top 5 : Disclosure
>
>Definite Top 10, we'll have to wait and see how it keeps up the
>momentum now it's a couple of days old.
>Also, and I admit I wouldn't have predicted this at the time of your
>posting, I think Emeli's 'Clown' might make it in here.

Given how well the album has sold, it's surprising people keep buying
the singles too.

>
>> There may be more unexpected OA/OS releases, though.
>
>There could be although in all honesty there have only been two on the
>singles chart this year,

If you use the correct definition, yes - but I tend to think in terms of
'any-song-that-charts-midweek-that'I've-never-heard-of'.

>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.
>
>They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem
>pretty front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll
>reserve judgement until I see what Les Mis sold this week.

But why would *that* be the biggest threat?

>
>>Katherine Jenkins,
>
>You'd know better than I would - is this a real album or another
>old-label cash-in?

I'd guess the latter.

>And is it expensive enough to chart?

No idea.

>
>> Kimberley Walsh,
>
>Rumour has it that the record company have already given up on this
>release. But I'm sure it'll get some fanbase sales in week 1.

She has a fanbase?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:uFZ+8qhK...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 at 23:33:57, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Bingo Players hold on comfortably at #1, but are likely to be ousted
>>> next
>>> week.
>>
>>Of course, they'd probably never have got there without the mallard-filled
>>video
>
> So people hate the music, but love the ducks? :p

I'm thinking that if they actually hated the song they still wouldn't buy it
(especially as downloading the song doesn't make you see the video any more
often) but it's certainly attracted attention.

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 20 : Dizzee Rascal #14,
>>
>>I would presume that this track is no longer available as an (official)
>>free
>>download. It has grown on me somewhat.
>
> Not me. :)

You've have to have heard it, presumably.

>>> Top 30 : Ellie Goulding (Exp) #21,
>>
>>Now officially a single and apparently there's even a video. Another
>>number
>>that seems to have grown on me somewhat.
>
> A very 'knocked-together-at-the-last-minute' looking video, though.

I think I can guess why.

>>>Disclosure #28,
>>
>>A surprise Friday release
>
> One that Jessie Ware will be particularly unhappy about...

That's what I said on Haven, although somebody else said that she owed them
a favour because they'd done some good remixes for her before.

>>>EM & Ri #56,
>>
>>As it happens I was writing about this on my blog earlier today.
>
> Not much else to say about it.

Unless I repeated the info from my blog post.

>>>BoB ft Hayley Williams #74,
>>
>>I sort of thought this already was his.
>
> Huh?

His biggest seller. It's a follow-on from the previous sentence.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1
>>
>>And more surprisingly their biggest ever weekly sale (also the biggest of
>>the year to date, but that doesn't mean so much this early). Just over
>>three
>>years ago, Only Revolutions entered at 8 on 43000 sales after three major
>>hit singles (it eventually peaked at 3). Given the time of year and the
>>decline in the market as a whole since then, I was confident this could
>>reach the highest chart position but less sure they could actually beat
>>the
>>initial sales of their previous albums. Evidently I was wrong, though, as
>>this shifted over 71k.
>
> I was surprised to hear this is their 6th album - I only remembered 3 of
> them.

Let me have a go:
Blackened Sky
The Vertigo Of Bliss
Infinity Land
Puzzle
Only Revolutions
Opposites

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>
>>> Top 10 : Andrea Bocelli #9
>>
>>His 800th seemingly identical album
>
> You've bought them all, then? :p

Eh, are you accusing me of being a fan of identical albums?

>>> Top 20 : Jools Holland #11, Alicia Keys #13
>>
>>Two beneficiaries of recent appearances with Jonathan Ross
>
> I only just spotted the new peak for Alicia in time.

And I only just spotted they were both pianists.

>>> Re-entries : Fleetwood Mac (Rumours) #3,
>>
>>Although they were in the Top 10 as recently as last summer
>
> Not with *this*, though.

Correct. However, I thought it worth mentioning that Fleetwood Mac reaching
the Top 10 in 21st century isn't an unpredented event in itself. I'm
guessing Rumours itself was last T10 in the 1980s, although it went T20 in
1997 and whenever Glee was.

>>>Mick Hucknall #36,
>>
>>His album of soul covers now adds the "bonus" of a live CD, although on
>>the positive side it also has a new cover that looks less like he's doing
>>a big poo.
>
> Huh?

The original cover was a close up of his strained face. Some might call that
appropriate to the musical content of course.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.
>>
>>Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.
>
> Unfortunately.

Do you dislike it any more than the Bingo Players track though?

>>> Top 5 : Disclosure
>>
>>Definite Top 10, we'll have to wait and see how it keeps up the momentum
>>now it's a couple of days old.
>>Also, and I admit I wouldn't have predicted this at the time of your
>>posting, I think Emeli's 'Clown' might make it in here.
>
> Given how well the album has sold, it's surprising people keep buying the
> singles too.

True, but one can only assume they sell to different markets.
Of course her biggest-selling single as yet is 'Beneath Your Beautiful',
which isn't on all copies of the album.

>>> There may be more unexpected OA/OS releases, though.
>>
>>There could be although in all honesty there have only been two on the
>>singles chart this year,
>
> If you use the correct definition, yes - but I tend to think in terms of
> 'any-song-that-charts-midweek-that'I've-never-heard-of'.

As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from Fall Out
Boy.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.
>>
>>They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem
>>pretty front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll reserve
>>judgement until I see what Les Mis sold this week.
>
> But why would *that* be the biggest threat?

Because it was the next-biggest seller after Biffy this week, and nothing
behind it looks likely to overtake.

>>>Katherine Jenkins,
>>
>>You'd know better than I would - is this a real album or another old-label
>>cash-in?
>
> I'd guess the latter.
>
>>And is it expensive enough to chart?
>
> No idea.

I ask because the cash-in Christmas thing didn't chart, did it?

>>> Kimberley Walsh,
>>
>>Rumour has it that the record company have already given up on this
>>release. But I'm sure it'll get some fanbase sales in week 1.
>
> She has a fanbase?

Well, Girls Aloud have one. Who else did you think was going to buy this?

Chris

[Dry Gulch Pete]

<SNIP>

> Albums
> ------
> Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1
>
> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 5 : Justin Bieber #5
> Top 10 : Andrea Bocelli #9
> Top 20 : Jools Holland #11, Alicia Keys #13

Gordon BENNETT!
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[Paul Hyett]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 at 22:09:03, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Bingo Players hold on comfortably at #1, but are likely to be ousted
>>>> next
>>>> week.
>>>
>>>Of course, they'd probably never have got there without the mallard-filled
>>>video
>>
>> So people hate the music, but love the ducks? :p
>
>I'm thinking that if they actually hated the song they still wouldn't buy it
>(especially as downloading the song doesn't make you see the video any more
>often) but it's certainly attracted attention.

Has it? You're the only person I've ever heard mention it... :p

>
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 20 : Dizzee Rascal #14,
>>>
>>>I would presume that this track is no longer available as an (official)
>>>free
>>>download. It has grown on me somewhat.
>>
>> Not me. :)
>
>You've have to have heard it, presumably.

I have - or as much of it as I could stand...

>
>>>> Top 30 : Ellie Goulding (Exp) #21,
>>>
>>>Now officially a single and apparently there's even a video. Another
>>>number
>>>that seems to have grown on me somewhat.
>>
>> A very 'knocked-together-at-the-last-minute' looking video, though.
>
>I think I can guess why.

Because it was knocked together at the last minute, perhaps? :p

>
>>>>Disclosure #28,
>>>
>>>A surprise Friday release
>>
>> One that Jessie Ware will be particularly unhappy about...
>
>That's what I said on Haven, although somebody else said that she owed them
>a favour because they'd done some good remixes for her before.

BTW, what do you think about the new-look Haven? At least it now has
multi-quoting, which is one plus.

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1
>>

>> I was surprised to hear this is their 6th album - I only remembered 3 of
>> them.
>
>Let me have a go:
>Blackened Sky
>The Vertigo Of Bliss
>Infinity Land
>Puzzle
>Only Revolutions
>Opposites

Just the last 3 I remember.

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.
>>>
>>>Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.
>>
>> Unfortunately.
>
>Do you dislike it any more than the Bingo Players track though?

Slightly.

>
>>>> There may be more unexpected OA/OS releases, though.
>>>
>>>There could be although in all honesty there have only been two on the
>>>singles chart this year,
>>
>> If you use the correct definition, yes - but I tend to think in terms of
>> 'any-song-that-charts-midweek-that'I've-never-heard-of'.
>
>As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from Fall
>Out Boy.

So I saw.

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.
>>>
>>>They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem
>>>pretty front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll reserve
>>>judgement until I see what Les Mis sold this week.
>>
>> But why would *that* be the biggest threat?
>
>Because it was the next-biggest seller after Biffy this week

A long way back, though.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:RTtR57AE...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 at 22:09:03, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Bingo Players hold on comfortably at #1, but are likely to be ousted
>>>>> next
>>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, they'd probably never have got there without the
>>>>mallard-filled
>>>>video
>>>
>>> So people hate the music, but love the ducks? :p
>>
>>I'm thinking that if they actually hated the song they still wouldn't buy
>>it
>>(especially as downloading the song doesn't make you see the video any
>>more
>>often) but it's certainly attracted attention.
>
> Has it? You're the only person I've ever heard mention it... :p

As opposed to the many other people who've been talking to you about the
song?

>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 20 : Dizzee Rascal #14,
>>>>
>>>>I would presume that this track is no longer available as an (official)
>>>>free
>>>>download. It has grown on me somewhat.
>>>
>>> Not me. :)
>>
>>You've have to have heard it, presumably.
>
> I have - or as much of it as I could stand...

Exactly.

>>>>> Top 30 : Ellie Goulding (Exp) #21,
>>>>
>>>>Now officially a single and apparently there's even a video. Another
>>>>number
>>>>that seems to have grown on me somewhat.
>>>
>>> A very 'knocked-together-at-the-last-minute' looking video, though.
>>
>>I think I can guess why.
>
> Because it was knocked together at the last minute, perhaps? :p

Was my guess too.

>>>>>Disclosure #28,
>>>>
>>>>A surprise Friday release
>>>
>>> One that Jessie Ware will be particularly unhappy about...
>>
>>That's what I said on Haven, although somebody else said that she owed
>>them
>>a favour because they'd done some good remixes for her before.
>
> BTW, what do you think about the new-look Haven?

I don't mind it. It doesn't seem to be a Verschlimbesserung for once.

>At least it now has multi-quoting, which is one plus.

I'll have to work out how to use that sometime.

I do find the blank avatars a bit creepy though, which is why I made myself
a proper one.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Biffy Clyro comfortably claim their first #1
>>>
>>> I was surprised to hear this is their 6th album - I only remembered 3 of
>>> them.
>>
>>Let me have a go:
>>Blackened Sky
>>The Vertigo Of Bliss
>>Infinity Land
>>Puzzle
>>Only Revolutions
>>Opposites
>
> Just the last 3 I remember.

IIRC, the first three have two T75 weeks between them (but three T40
singles).

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.
>>>>
>>>>Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately.
>>
>>Do you dislike it any more than the Bingo Players track though?
>
> Slightly.

Any reason? I'd have guessed the opposite.

>>>>> There may be more unexpected OA/OS releases, though.
>>>>
>>>>There could be although in all honesty there have only been two on the
>>>>singles chart this year,
>>>
>>> If you use the correct definition, yes - but I tend to think in terms of
>>> 'any-song-that-charts-midweek-that'I've-never-heard-of'.
>>
>>As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from Fall
>>Out Boy.
>
> So I saw.

This is closer to the Bowie thing, in that it's an act nobody knew had
material in the pipeline.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.
>>>>
>>>>They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem
>>>>pretty front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll reserve
>>>>judgement until I see what Les Mis sold this week.
>>>
>>> But why would *that* be the biggest threat?
>>
>>Because it was the next-biggest seller after Biffy this week
>
> A long way back, though.

But, by definition, everything else is even further back.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 at 21:46:07, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>

>>>> So people hate the music, but love the ducks? :p
>>>
>>>I'm thinking that if they actually hated the song they still wouldn't
>>>buy it
>>>(especially as downloading the song doesn't make you see the video
>>>any more
>>>often) but it's certainly attracted attention.
>>
>> Has it? You're the only person I've ever heard mention it... :p
>
>As opposed to the many other people who've been talking to you about
>the song?

About the *song*, yes - not the ducks!

>
>>
>> BTW, what do you think about the new-look Haven?
>
>I don't mind it. It doesn't seem to be a Verschlimbesserung for once.

I have no idea what that means?

>
>>At least it now has multi-quoting, which is one plus.
>
>I'll have to work out how to use that sometime.

There's a little sort of cog-wheel icon with a drop-down menu by it -
you need to click on 'select post' for each one you want to combine
together - then just hit reply.

>
>I do find the blank avatars a bit creepy though, which is why I made
>myself a proper one.

How will I recognise it?

>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately.
>>>
>>>Do you dislike it any more than the Bingo Players track though?
>>
>> Slightly.
>
>Any reason?

Because I've heard them both? :p

>>>As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from
>>>Fall Out Boy.
>>
>> So I saw.
>
>This is closer to the Bowie thing, in that it's an act nobody knew had
>material in the pipeline.

But at least no-one thought they'd quit the music business, though...

>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.
>>>>>
>>>>>They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem
>>>>>pretty front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll reserve
>>>>>judgement until I see what Les Mis sold this week.
>>>>
>>>> But why would *that* be the biggest threat?
>>>
>>>Because it was the next-biggest seller after Biffy this week
>>
>> A long way back, though.
>
>But, by definition, everything else is even further back.

But not necessarily falling as fast.

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

news:iNT9eUV$2gER...@blueyonder.co.uk...

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 at 21:46:07, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>> So people hate the music, but love the ducks? :p
>>>>
>>>>I'm thinking that if they actually hated the song they still wouldn't
>>>>buy it
>>>>(especially as downloading the song doesn't make you see the video any
>>>>more
>>>>often) but it's certainly attracted attention.
>>>
>>> Has it? You're the only person I've ever heard mention it... :p
>>
>>As opposed to the many other people who've been talking to you about the
>>song?
>
> About the *song*, yes - not the ducks!

There's some mention in the thread about it on Haven. Whilst I admit that I
am more than averagely interested in ducks, I probably wouldn't have heard
the song until it charted without them.

>>> BTW, what do you think about the new-look Haven?
>>
>>I don't mind it. It doesn't seem to be a Verschlimbesserung for once.
>
> I have no idea what that means?

It's a German word (as you probably guessed) meaning a supposed improvement
which ends up making things worse. As you probably also guessed, it's very
common in the IT sector.

>>>At least it now has multi-quoting, which is one plus.
>>
>>I'll have to work out how to use that sometime.
>
> There's a little sort of cog-wheel icon with a drop-down menu by it - you
> need to click on 'select post' for each one you want to combine together -
> then just hit reply.

All I need to do now is find two posts I want to quote.

>>I do find the blank avatars a bit creepy though, which is why I made
>>myself a proper one.
>
> How will I recognise it?

It's the one next to my posts.
You'll have to guess how much it actually looks like me.

>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Mackelmore looks certain to become #1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unavoidable now, I can't see anything toppling it this late.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>>Do you dislike it any more than the Bingo Players track though?
>>>
>>> Slightly.
>>
>>Any reason?
>
> Because I've heard them both? :p

That only works if you hate every song you've ever heard.

I thought you'd have found the Bingo Players track worse because it's more
aggressive.

>>>>As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from Fall
>>>>Out Boy.
>>>
>>> So I saw.
>>
>>This is closer to the Bowie thing, in that it's an act nobody knew had
>>material in the pipeline.
>
> But at least no-one thought they'd quit the music business, though...

Not as people, no, but the band had split.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> Biffy Clyro seem likely to remain #1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They have a chance but whilst their sales were impressive, they seem
>>>>>>pretty front-loaded compared to the initial mids so I think I'll
>>>>>>reserve
>>>>>>judgement until I see what Les Mis sold this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> But why would *that* be the biggest threat?
>>>>
>>>>Because it was the next-biggest seller after Biffy this week
>>>
>>> A long way back, though.
>>
>>But, by definition, everything else is even further back.
>
> But not necessarily falling as fast.

I don't see why not - Les Mis has only slipped fairly gradually since it was
released on CD, and you'd certainly expect Bieber to fall fairly quickly in
his second week. As you would with Biffy, of course - it was just a question
of whether their fall would be bigger than their first-week lead.

Chris

[Paul Hyett]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 at 21:38:49, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>

wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------

>>>>At least it now has multi-quoting, which is one plus.
>>>
>>>I'll have to work out how to use that sometime.
>>
>> There's a little sort of cog-wheel icon with a drop-down menu by it - you
>> need to click on 'select post' for each one you want to combine together -
>> then just hit reply.
>
>All I need to do now is find two posts I want to quote.

Wouldn't be an issue on Buzzjack, as that's much busier.

>
>>>I do find the blank avatars a bit creepy though, which is why I made
>>>myself a proper one.
>>
>> How will I recognise it?
>
>It's the one next to my posts.

But I've forgotten your username (again)...

>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>

>>>>>As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from Fall
>>>>>Out Boy.
>>>>
>>>> So I saw.
>>>
>>>This is closer to the Bowie thing, in that it's an act nobody knew had
>>>material in the pipeline.
>>
>> But at least no-one thought they'd quit the music business, though...
>
>Not as people, no, but the band had split.

They have?

[Chris Brown]

"Paul Hyett" <vidc...@invalid83261.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 at 21:38:49, Chris Brown <extrem...@yahoospam.com>
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>At least it now has multi-quoting, which is one plus.
>>>>
>>>>I'll have to work out how to use that sometime.
>>>
>>> There's a little sort of cog-wheel icon with a drop-down menu by it -
>>> you
>>> need to click on 'select post' for each one you want to combine
>>> together -
>>> then just hit reply.
>>
>>All I need to do now is find two posts I want to quote.
>
> Wouldn't be an issue on Buzzjack, as that's much busier.

Quality not quantity!

>>>>I do find the blank avatars a bit creepy though, which is why I made
>>>>myself a proper one.
>>>
>>> How will I recognise it?
>>
>>It's the one next to my posts.
>
> But I've forgotten your username (again)...

I'm obviously not that distinctive then!

>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>>As it turns out there is a surprise OAOS this week after all, from
>>>>>>Fall
>>>>>>Out Boy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I saw.
>>>>
>>>>This is closer to the Bowie thing, in that it's an act nobody knew had
>>>>material in the pipeline.
>>>
>>> But at least no-one thought they'd quit the music business, though...
>>
>>Not as people, no, but the band had split.
>
> They have?

Yes, several years ago. Although they have clearly unsplit now.

Chris