Spoiler 2.11.22

[Linda Fox]

I found tonight's episode with Ben really distressing for a number of
reasons, some quite close to me.

But why on earth didn't David do the obvious thing, and phone Brookfield,
or get someone else to if he wasn't carrying his phone, to get
confirmation, in Ben's hearing, that Bess was there at that moment instead
of just saying so without providing proof?
--
Linda ff

[Chris]

Exactly what my brain was saying! Another unlikely PTF moment.

Plus, as I understand it, mental health issues aren’t deal-able with at an
A&E : it was one of things that caused problems in lockdown.

Mrs McT

Mrs McT

[Penny]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 19:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Linda Fox <lind...@ntlworld.com>
a gribouillé dans la poussière...

Because nothing was obvious to him at that moment. He was frightened
because he didn't understand what was happening. Had Ben been an animal,
David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.

Joy's motherly reaction made me wonder (again) what really happened between
her and her daughter.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

[Vicky]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 10:20:21 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

I really hoped this story line was not going to develop as it seemed
to be heading. We had mental health with Lizzie and Mike and Ed and
Will were in bad shape at different times. I feel we really didn't
need a painful, even if well-written and acted, issue right now. And
unless Ambridge World has better mental health facilities and hospital
staff available than the rest of the UK Ben is probably not going to
get the help he needs. Might they just give him Vallium, or something
like it?

Merry nuggering Christmas. Or will it all boil up and sink down into
a happy ending on 25/12? Even that won't make up for the next 3 weeks
misery, and I'm not even going to get onto Two Choirs. More about
Rosie's Nativity play and hearing that would be better.

[krw]

On 2.12.22 20:52, Chris wrote:
> as I understand it, mental health issues aren’t deal-able with at an
> A&E : it was one of things that caused problems in lockdown.

Based on some slight experience (not my own and pre-covid) they summon
someone from the on-cal team who turn up eventually. But in reality the
sort of help needed cannot be provided in an A&E (or as they now seem to
be) ED - accidents are just another type of emergency.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

[BrritSki]

On 03/12/2022 11:40, Vicky wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 10:20:21 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 19:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Linda Fox <lind...@ntlworld.com>
>> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>> I found tonight's episode with Ben really distressing for a number of
>>> reasons, some quite close to me.
>>>
>>> But why on earth didn't David do the obvious thing, and phone Brookfield,
>>> or get someone else to if he wasn't carrying his phone, to get
>>> confirmation, in Ben's hearing, that Bess was there at that moment instead
>>> of just saying so without providing proof?
>>
>> Because nothing was obvious to him at that moment. He was frightened
>> because he didn't understand what was happening. Had Ben been an animal,
>> David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>>
>> Joy's motherly reaction made me wonder (again) what really happened between
>> her and her daughter.

Daughter was sectioned I suspect on Joy's initiative....

>
> I really hoped this story line was not going to develop as it seemed
> to be heading. We had mental health with Lizzie and Mike and Ed and
> Will were in bad shape at different times. I feel we really didn't
> need a painful, even if well-written and acted, issue right now. And
> unless Ambridge World has better mental health facilities and hospital
> staff available than the rest of the UK Ben is probably not going to
> get the help he needs. Might they just give him Vallium, or something
> like it?
>
> Merry nuggering Christmas. Or will it all boil up and sink down into
> a happy ending on 25/12? Even that won't make up for the next 3 weeks
> misery, and I'm not even going to get onto Two Choirs. More about
> Rosie's Nativity play and hearing that would be better.

LW to all that.

My grandchildren enjoyed the spider story though, so thanks for that.
>

[Clive Arthur]

On 03/12/2022 10:20, Penny wrote:

<snip>

> Had Ben been an animal, David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>

<fx: Bang!>

--
Cheers
Clive

[BrritSki]

On 03/12/2022 16:52, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 03/12/2022 10:20, Penny wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Had Ben been an animal, David would have slipped straight into calm
>> and practical mode.
>>
> <fx: Bang!>
>

BTN !

[Vicky]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 16:52:36 +0000, Clive Arthur
<cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 03/12/2022 10:20, Penny wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Had Ben been an animal, David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>>
><fx: Bang!>

I think everyone badgering Ben is what the problem is.

[Vicky]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 17:43:35 +0000, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Maybe this is more topical than I had any idea. gransnet thread is
on it
https://www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1318452-Really-shocked?utm_source=sendinblue&utm_campaign=Gransnet%20Daily%20031222%20Saturday&utm_medium=email

I wonder if lockdown and the general university experience now
affected it.

[Vicky]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 17:43:35 +0000, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com>
wrote:

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/mental-health-of-children-and-young-people-in-england/2022-follow-up-to-the-2017-survey

Mental Health of Children and Young People in England 2022 - wave 3
follow up to the 2017

But TA covered suicide when Greg killed himself and Ed and Will seemed
to want to.

[BrritSki]

:)

[Sam Plusnet]

That was in (I think) 2004, so a lot of water has flowed under the Am
bridge since then. Maybe someone though it time for a re-visit to the
topic.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Hellerat]

I'm sorry, Penny, I accidentally replied direct to you instead of UMRA, yesterday!

I think you're right about David, Penny. I was initially shouting at him to call or FT
home to prove Bess was OK, but he was petrified and not thinking straight.

That was the most moving episode of The Archers I've listened to in a long time.
Well-written and well-acted. (We shall leave aside the reality of the present state of the
NHS as it pertains to anyone who is not BJ or of his ilk.)
--
Yassas,
Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Hellerat

[John Ashby]

On 03/12/2022 15:51, BrritSki wrote:
> On 03/12/2022 11:40, Vicky wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 10:20:21 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 19:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Linda Fox
>>> <lind...@ntlworld.com>
>>> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>> I  found tonight's episode with Ben really distressing for a number of
>>>> reasons, some quite close to me.
>>>>
>>>> But why on earth didn't David do the obvious thing, and phone
>>>> Brookfield,
>>>> or get someone else to if he wasn't carrying his phone, to get
>>>> confirmation, in Ben's hearing, that Bess was there at that moment
>>>> instead
>>>> of just saying so without providing proof?
>>>
>>> Because nothing was obvious to him at that moment. He was frightened
>>> because he didn't understand what was happening. Had Ben been an animal,
>>> David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>>>
>>> Joy's motherly reaction made me wonder (again) what really happened
>>> between
>>> her and her daughter.
>
> Daughter was sectioned I suspect on Joy's initiative....

Well, having Joy as a mother would drive anyone mad.

john

[John Ashby]

Approved. Don't badger me about it.

john

[John Ashby]

On 03/12/2022 17:43, Vicky wrote:

Damn, should have read on.

john

[DavidK]

On 04/12/2022 06:57, Hellerat wrote:
>> Because nothing was obvious to him at that moment. He was frightened
>> because he didn't understand what was happening. Had Ben been an animal,
>> David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>>
>> Joy's motherly reaction made me wonder (again) what really happened
>> between
>> her and her daughter.
>
> I think you're right about David, Penny. I was initially shouting at him
> to call or FT home to prove Bess was OK, but he was petrified and not
> thinking straight.
>
> That was the most moving episode of The Archers I've listened to in a
> long time. Well-written and well-acted. (We shall leave aside the
> reality of the present state of the NHS as it pertains to anyone who is
> not BJ or of his ilk.)

I'd have to listen to it again, but I half-think he suggested it and Ben
dismissed the idea because he had heard the dog.

The spoilers make it less probable but I wondered whether it was a
psychotic episode brought on by ODing on caffeine and midnight-oil from
worry abut his drop in course-grades.

There are interesting remarks elsewhere,
- David and Ben were mending a fence together (mending fenced, geddit?)
- Ben ran together his loss of Beth and loss of Bess during his episode

[Penny]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 13:30:54 +0000, DavidK <Dav...@invalid.invalid> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>There are interesting remarks elsewhere,
> - David and Ben were mending a fence together (mending fenced, geddit?)
> - Ben ran together his loss of Beth and loss of Bess during his episode

That last one had passed through my mind when listening - I wasn't certain
which name he was calling in that scene*. Of course the similarity and
possible confusion caused by the names had been brought to our attention
weeks ago. Also, from what we know about him, these are the two,
non-family, deep attachments he has had.

* I know I am not alone in calling my own loved ones by the wrong name to
their face** - d#1 used to get upset by it, she seems less bothered about
it now, so perhaps she does the same thing with her own family.
** One of my mother's aunts would run through a long list of names of her
nephews and nieces before reaching mother's name, when addressing her. This
was explained to us each Christmas when the postal orders Gt Aunt sent us
all had the wrong names on.

[DavidK]

On 04/12/2022 16:01, Penny wrote:
> One of my mother's aunts would run through a long list of names of her
> nephews and nieces before reaching mother's name, when addressing her.

My father would do exactly the same with his four children

[Jenny M Benson]

On 04/12/2022 16:01, Penny wrote:

> ** One of my mother's aunts would run through a long list of names of her
> nephews and nieces before reaching mother's name, when addressing her. This
> was explained to us each Christmas when the postal orders Gt Aunt sent us
> all had the wrong names on.

Which brings to mind 2 family remembrances for me.

My maternal grandmother had 3 brothers, 1 son and 1 grandson. Whenever
she wanted to address or refer to one of them she had to run through the
list - Willie, Arthur, Rex, Clifford, *Gervase*. (Always stress on the
last one to be named.) The odd thing was that Willie, who was killed in
WWI was otherwise always known as Billy.

My father's aunt lived in Kent and later in Cornwall so we saw her very
rarely, but she always sent us children a 5 shilling postal order at
Christmas. We always wrote and thanked her and one year, my very young
sister thanked her for "the 5 bob postal order." I thought this was
rather disgraceful and thus quite amusing. The aunt's name was Gladys
but because of the way she wrote her name she was always known as Auntie
Flodip.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

[John Ashby]

Guilty as charged.

john

[Penny]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 17:18:08 +0000, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk>

a gribouillé dans la poussière...

>My father's aunt lived in Kent and later in Cornwall so we saw her very
>rarely, but she always sent us children a 5 shilling postal order at
>Christmas. We always wrote and thanked her and one year, my very young
>sister thanked her for "the 5 bob postal order." I thought this was
>rather disgraceful and thus quite amusing. The aunt's name was Gladys
>but because of the way she wrote her name she was always known as Auntie
>Flodip.

Ours were usually 10 bob, IIRC - very generous if she did the same for all
her great nieces and nephews. Our local Post Office was quite happy to
accept the postal orders to pay into our savings books, despite the wrong
names, usually with the wrong surname too. I suppose our mother had
explained it at some point, with some proof of her maiden name.

[Chris]

A lot of wailing still. Someone is going to have to ring Ben’s tutor. Me
wonders if Roof n Deavud even realise he’s bern under performing/failing.
Just as well he isn’t repaying the £40k.

Mrs McT

[Nick Odell]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 10:20:21 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 19:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Linda Fox <lind...@ntlworld.com>
>a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>>I found tonight's episode with Ben really distressing for a number of
>>reasons, some quite close to me.
>>
>>But why on earth didn't David do the obvious thing, and phone Brookfield,
>>or get someone else to if he wasn't carrying his phone, to get
>>confirmation, in Ben's hearing, that Bess was there at that moment instead
>>of just saying so without providing proof?
>
>Because nothing was obvious to him at that moment. He was frightened
>because he didn't understand what was happening. Had Ben been an animal,
>David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>

.......and would have shot him.

Nick
--
Apologies for the Gillivery.
Apologies if I'm repeating remarks already made in this thread because
I confess that I haven't read to the end before posting. Sorry.

[Nick Odell]

I agree. For most people/familes/communities/countries life isn't a
never-ending variety of unique and interesting situations, it's the
same few things repeated over and over again. I have no issues with
plot recycling in Ambridge whatsoever.

[BrritSki]

On 08/12/2022 00:30, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 20:17:08 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 03-Dec-22 18:03, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 17:43:35 +0000, Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 16:52:36 +0000, Clive Arthur
>>>> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/12/2022 10:20, Penny wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Had Ben been an animal, David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>> <fx: Bang!>
>>>>
>>>> I think everyone badgering Ben is what the problem is.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/mental-health-of-children-and-young-people-in-england/2022-follow-up-to-the-2017-survey
>>>
>>> Mental Health of Children and Young People in England 2022 - wave 3
>>> follow up to the 2017
>>>
>>> But TA covered suicide when Greg killed himself and Ed and Will seemed
>>> to want to.
>>
>> That was in (I think) 2004, so a lot of water has flowed under the Am
>> bridge since then. Maybe someone though it time for a re-visit to the
>> topic.
>
> I agree. For most people/familes/communities/countries life isn't a
> never-ending variety of unique and interesting situations, it's the
> same few things repeated over and over again.

history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.

[Vicky]

On Thu, 08 Dec 2022 00:30:52 +0000, Nick Odell <nicko...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 10:20:21 +0000, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 19:28:10 -0000 (UTC), Linda Fox <lind...@ntlworld.com>
>>a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>>I found tonight's episode with Ben really distressing for a number of
>>>reasons, some quite close to me.
>>>
>>>But why on earth didn't David do the obvious thing, and phone Brookfield,
>>>or get someone else to if he wasn't carrying his phone, to get
>>>confirmation, in Ben's hearing, that Bess was there at that moment instead
>>>of just saying so without providing proof?
>>
>>Because nothing was obvious to him at that moment. He was frightened
>>because he didn't understand what was happening. Had Ben been an animal,
>>David would have slipped straight into calm and practical mode.
>>
>.......and would have shot him.
>
>Nick

BTN

[Mike McMillan]

I think this topic has been BTN’d already hasn’t it?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

[krw]

I think three lots of mental health - Lizzie, Will, Ben - in a
relatively short period either proves that what ever Brian leaked into
the water impacts mental health or TPTB have a hangup that they need to
fix - possibly by getting a counsellor.

I have dragged myself through to the end of last week - and further
commentary is worthless as I have said it many times. Not enough
Archers, not enough simple character stuff, not enough about the farms.

Someone needs to fess up and put it out of its misery.

[Vicky]

I don't mind that as a story line! They charge Brian with damaging the
health of locals.

[John Ashby]

You wouldn't be trying to usurp the authority of the BTM, would you,
Mike? I mean, it's a nice little newsgroup you've got here, be a shme if
anything got ... broken.

OTOH, you're right. While accept there are reasons Nick is gillivering
he is late to the party with this one. Sorry, Nick.

john

[Vicky]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 12:28:43 +0000, John Ashby <johna...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Well I think I had the original bad taste comment on this as I am keen
on badgers and hoped David wouldn't have badgered Ben. But I thought
this avoided mentioning them, was subtler, and maybe David's default
mode if meeting an unknown situation with animals is shoot first, ask
questions later.

[Mike McMillan]

Yeap, time one may have removed all the embedded pellets, the talking time
might have run out!

[Hellerat]

I'm afraid this may well and truly be laid at Jill's door. Straws, camels, broken backs..
I think Leonard is of the same opinion. For many years, I've sat on the fence about Jill,
but this has done it for me. She has been cruel.

[BrritSki]

On 08/12/2022 17:43, Hellerat wrote:
>
> I'm afraid this may well and truly be laid at Jill's door. Straws,
> camels, broken backs.. I think Leonard is of the same opinion. For many
> years, I've sat on the fence about Jill, but this has done it for me.
> She has been cruel.
>

<LW> Unbelievable imo that anyone would behave like that to a loved
grandson even if she does have strong views about termination. It may
have been irresponsible of Ben, but the termination wasn't his decision.