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EllTee
Nov 18, 2012, 3:08:57 AM11/18/12
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I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
scheme?
Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots of
food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
Isn't Ed's milk business his own? There are different benefits
available to the self employed. Lower ones I think?
I think and hope there is more to come from this story. It won't be the
first time they have started out with a line we think is wrong, only to
use this as a form of dramatic irony device which becomes clarified as
the story unfolds.
--
Btms
scheme?
Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots of
food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
Isn't Ed's milk business his own? There are different benefits
available to the self employed. Lower ones I think?
I think and hope there is more to come from this story. It won't be the
first time they have started out with a line we think is wrong, only to
use this as a form of dramatic irony device which becomes clarified as
the story unfolds.
--
Btms
Dr Nick
Nov 18, 2012, 6:00:55 AM11/18/12
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EllTee <spam...@thetames.me.uk> writes:
> I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
> scheme?
>
> Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
> the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
> benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots
> of food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
> shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
> ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
> they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
> that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
Having caught that bit of the omni while driving around they did tell
> I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
> scheme?
>
> Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
> the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
> benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots
> of food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
> shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
> ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
> they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
> that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
her she needed a referal from her doctor or the CAB.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Nov 18, 2012, 5:48:56 AM11/18/12
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In message
<spampoppy-6E502...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid>,
Emma look into benefits. Of course, maybe she would have, but Susan's
arrival (and, I think, taking away of Emma and child) stopped that.
>food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
>shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
>ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
>they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
>that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
You write sentences as complex as I do ... (-: Where can't you just turn
up - CAB? Benefits office? And who can refer you to whom - food bank to
CAB? to benefits office? CAB to benefits office?
So, Heresy be damned (well, it would be, wouldn't it?).
Radio Times 24-30 July 2010 (page 24)
<spampoppy-6E502...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid>,
EllTee <spam...@thetames.me.uk> writes:
>I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
>scheme?
It occurs to me that the nice lady at the food bank might have suggested
>I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
>scheme?
Emma look into benefits. Of course, maybe she would have, but Susan's
arrival (and, I think, taking away of Emma and child) stopped that.
>
>Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
>the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
>benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots of
(I hadn't either.)
>Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
>the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
>benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots of
>food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
>shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
>ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
>they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
>that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
up - CAB? Benefits office? And who can refer you to whom - food bank to
CAB? to benefits office? CAB to benefits office?
>
>Isn't Ed's milk business his own? There are different benefits
>available to the self employed. Lower ones I think?
>
I think so, to avoid fraud.
>Isn't Ed's milk business his own? There are different benefits
>available to the self employed. Lower ones I think?
>
>
>I think and hope there is more to come from this story. It won't be the
>first time they have started out with a line we think is wrong, only to
>use this as a form of dramatic irony device which becomes clarified as
>the story unfolds.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
>I think and hope there is more to come from this story. It won't be the
>first time they have started out with a line we think is wrong, only to
>use this as a form of dramatic irony device which becomes clarified as
>the story unfolds.
--
So, Heresy be damned (well, it would be, wouldn't it?).
Radio Times 24-30 July 2010 (page 24)
EllTee
Nov 18, 2012, 5:39:19 AM11/18/12
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In article <YFjGs$$Y0Lq...@soft255.demon.co.uk>,
--
Btms
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
>
> You write sentences as complex as I do ... (-: Where can't you just turn
> up - CAB? Benefits office? And who can refer you to whom - food bank to
> CAB? to benefits office? CAB to benefits office?
Sorry - you can't just turn up at the food bank place/depot.
> You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
>
> You write sentences as complex as I do ... (-: Where can't you just turn
> up - CAB? Benefits office? And who can refer you to whom - food bank to
> CAB? to benefits office? CAB to benefits office?
--
Btms
Frederick Williams
Nov 18, 2012, 7:56:22 AM11/18/12
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EllTee wrote:
>
> [...] You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
Unless you're an oozlum bird.
--
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by
this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting
>
> [...] You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
Unless you're an oozlum bird.
--
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by
this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting
Serena Blanchflower
Nov 18, 2012, 8:13:41 AM11/18/12
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* J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote, On 18/11/2012 10:48:
> In message
> <spampoppy-6E502...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid>,
> EllTee <spam...@thetames.me.uk> writes:
>> I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
>> scheme?
>
> It occurs to me that the nice lady at the food bank might have
> suggested Emma look into benefits. Of course, maybe she would have,
> but Susan's arrival (and, I think, taking away of Emma and child)
> stopped that.
She had told Emma that, to get a food parcel, she would have to be
> In message
> <spampoppy-6E502...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid>,
> EllTee <spam...@thetames.me.uk> writes:
>> I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
>> scheme?
>
> It occurs to me that the nice lady at the food bank might have
> suggested Emma look into benefits. Of course, maybe she would have,
> but Susan's arrival (and, I think, taking away of Emma and child)
> stopped that.
referred by the CAB or her GP / health visitor. If Emma had been to
the CAB, it is very unlikely they would have referred her to the food
bank without first discussing what benefits / credits she and Ed were
receiving and helping her to claim anything else that they were
entitled to.
--
Cheers, Serena
They told me I was gullible .. and I believed them.
Mark Williams
Nov 18, 2012, 6:56:57 PM11/18/12
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"EllTee" <spam...@thetames.me.uk> wrote in message
news:spampoppy-6E502...@surfnet-nl.ipv4.ptr.145.109.x.invalid...
>I wonder if this story is heading towards flagging up the food bank
> scheme?
>
> Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
> the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
> benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots of
> food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
> shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
> ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
> they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
> that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
You can turn up, but it probably won't do you any good. Most food banks
> scheme?
>
> Until I read the announcement on our village website I hadn't realise
> the aim of the foodbank is to provide short term help until other
> benefits become established and arrive. Our websites says three lots of
> food for three weeks. I think it is supportive not a whole week's
> shopping basket. Emma needs to go to the CAB (why would she do this I
> ask, as I doubt she would think they could get help, unless she thinks
> they may be due to some financial help), who are one of the agencies
> that may refer her. You can't just turn up yourself it seems.
operate on a vouchger scheme. Various agents (CAB, some Job Centres, social
services, doctors and churches) hold vouchers which they give to anyone in
need.
In rural areas, where social workers are a bit thin on the ground and there
are no CABs, the usual point of contact is usually the vicar, who is usually
given vouchers as a quid pro quo when his congregation sends tins to the
food bank in the nearest town.
Marjorie
Nov 19, 2012, 6:24:39 AM11/19/12
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would be a good plot development if vicar Alan got involved. (Wouldn't
Soozan hate it, though!)
I still find it puzzling that doctors are a conduit for the food
vouchers. Why would a doctor know if someone had financial problems? By
the time the family is all malnourished and suffering from
rickets/scurvy etc, it might come to his attention, but lots of
perfectly healthy people could be in poverty, and it wouldn't occur to
them to go to a doctor.
--
Marjorie
To reply, replace dontusethisaddress with marje
Badriya
Nov 19, 2012, 1:24:33 PM11/19/12
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whichever other thread discusses this. Although I think I said he ld
know about benefits.
Mark Williams
Nov 19, 2012, 3:21:46 PM11/19/12
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"Marjorie" <dontuseth...@springequinox.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0JWdnVFRHqKDijfN...@brightview.co.uk...
going to school hungry are spotted by their teachers, but they are not the
only way that food banks reach people, or vice versa.
Marjorie
Nov 20, 2012, 7:05:21 AM11/20/12
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notice are the Health Visitors [1], but being inadequately nourished has
to be quite severe before it's visible. Suggesting the use of a Food
Bank could cause real offence if there was no obvious sign of hardship.
They used to do routine checks at certain times like school admission (I
remember the School Nurse asking my 4-year-old daughter - not me - what
she'd had for breakfast.)
but I suspect that all these services are much reduced from previous levels.
while the children
> going to school hungry are spotted by their teachers, but they are not the
> only way that food banks reach people, or vice versa.
number, as we apparently live in a society that does not choose to
prioritise nourishing its children.
[1] Someone up there did mention HVs, although I don't remember them
ever visiting Ambridge families.
EllTee
Nov 20, 2012, 1:53:35 PM11/20/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:06:03 PM UTC, Marjorie wrote:
[...]
> They used to do routine checks at certain times like school admission (I
>
> remember the School Nurse asking my 4-year-old daughter - not me - what
>
> she'd had for breakfast.)
>
> but I suspect that all these services are much reduced from previous levels.
>
[....]
"Reduced"? I should say so. The school nurse at my children's school was a person of memory way back. Must be over thirty years ago.
[...]
> They used to do routine checks at certain times like school admission (I
>
> remember the School Nurse asking my 4-year-old daughter - not me - what
>
> she'd had for breakfast.)
>
> but I suspect that all these services are much reduced from previous levels.
>
"Reduced"? I should say so. The school nurse at my children's school was a person of memory way back. Must be over thirty years ago.
carolet
Nov 20, 2012, 5:33:16 PM11/20/12
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Marjorie wrote:
>
> [1] Someone up there did mention HVs, although I don't remember them
> ever visiting Ambridge families.
Not audibly, no. The woman at the food bank did refer to Keira's health
>
> [1] Someone up there did mention HVs, although I don't remember them
> ever visiting Ambridge families.
visitor though. Not that Emma was allowed to say whether or not there was
such a person.
--
CaroleT
Mark Williams
Nov 20, 2012, 5:33:31 PM11/20/12
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news:xp6dnbUQhZm27zbN...@brightview.co.uk...
Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise" with
voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a retired
doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social services and
co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery. It is fairly new (less than
2 years old) but I don't think it is at all unique.
voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a retired
doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social services and
co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery. It is fairly new (less than
2 years old) but I don't think it is at all unique.
Frederick Williams
Nov 20, 2012, 5:57:06 PM11/20/12
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Mark Williams wrote:
>
> Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise" with
> voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a retired
> doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
> potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social services and
> co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery.
What does such co-ordination consist of?
>
> Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise" with
> voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a retired
> doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
> potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social services and
> co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery.
> It is fairly new (less than
> 2 years old) but I don't think it is at all unique.
Mark Williams
Nov 20, 2012, 7:08:36 PM11/20/12
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"Frederick Williams" <freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Williams wrote:
>
>>
>> Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise" with
>> voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a retired
>> doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
>> potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social services
>> and
>> co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery.
>
> What does such co-ordination consist of?
A combination of Neighbourcare (incl. taking people to hospital, fetching
>
>>
>> Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise" with
>> voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a retired
>> doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
>> potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social services
>> and
>> co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery.
>
> What does such co-ordination consist of?
prescriptions), two trained nurses, expenses covered by the county, who
visit the elderly and others after consultation with the GP surgery
(non-medicall visits only) and a likely Parish Nurse sponsored by local
churches to do the same sort of thing.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Nov 21, 2012, 2:38:25 AM11/21/12
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In message <xqedndvgf7oZhjHN...@bt.com>, Mark Williams
What does "likely" mean in this context?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
"Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick.
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Mark Williams
Nov 21, 2012, 3:15:41 PM11/21/12
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:$cYfa9Xx...@soft255.demon.co.uk...
> In message <xqedndvgf7oZhjHN...@bt.com>, Mark Williams
> <spa...@your.peril> writes:
>>
>>"Frederick Williams" <freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>news:50AC0AC2...@btinternet.com...
>>> Mark Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise"
>>>> with
>>>> voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a
>>>> retired
>>>> doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
>>>> potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social
>>>> services
>>>> and
>>>> co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery.
>>>
>>> What does such co-ordination consist of?
>>
>>A combination of Neighbourcare (incl. taking people to hospital, fetching
>>prescriptions), two trained nurses, expenses covered by the county, who
>>visit the elderly and others after consultation with the GP surgery
>>(non-medicall visits only) and a likely Parish Nurse sponsored by local
>>churches to do the same sort of thing.
>>
>>
> What does "likely" mean in this context?
Probably going to go ahead.
> <spa...@your.peril> writes:
>>
>>"Frederick Williams" <freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>news:50AC0AC2...@btinternet.com...
>>> Mark Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Round these rural parts we have a developing "Community Enterprise"
>>>> with
>>>> voluntary home visitors (mostly retired nurses) co-ordinated by a
>>>> retired
>>>> doctor, who look out for the elderly, unemployed, single mums and other
>>>> potentially vulnerable peope, providing "signposting" to social
>>>> services
>>>> and
>>>> co-ordinating with doctors in th local surgery.
>>>
>>> What does such co-ordination consist of?
>>
>>A combination of Neighbourcare (incl. taking people to hospital, fetching
>>prescriptions), two trained nurses, expenses covered by the county, who
>>visit the elderly and others after consultation with the GP surgery
>>(non-medicall visits only) and a likely Parish Nurse sponsored by local
>>churches to do the same sort of thing.
>>
>>
> What does "likely" mean in this context?
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Nov 21, 2012, 3:57:57 PM11/21/12
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In message <Z4ydnUVMQIz2qzDN...@bt.com>, Mark Williams
<spa...@your.peril> writes:
>
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:$cYfa9Xx...@soft255.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <xqedndvgf7oZhjHN...@bt.com>, Mark Williams
>> <spa...@your.peril> writes:
>>>
>>>"Frederick Williams" <freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:50AC0AC2...@btinternet.com...
[]
>
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:$cYfa9Xx...@soft255.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <xqedndvgf7oZhjHN...@bt.com>, Mark Williams
>> <spa...@your.peril> writes:
>>>
>>>"Frederick Williams" <freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:50AC0AC2...@btinternet.com...
>>>> What does such co-ordination consist of?
>>>
>>>A combination of Neighbourcare (incl. taking people to hospital, fetching
>>>prescriptions), two trained nurses, expenses covered by the county, who
>>>visit the elderly and others after consultation with the GP surgery
>>>(non-medicall visits only) and a likely Parish Nurse sponsored by local
>>>churches to do the same sort of thing.
>>>
>>>
>> What does "likely" mean in this context?
>
>Probably going to go ahead.
>
>
Ah, thanks; obvious now you tell us/me.
>>>
>>>A combination of Neighbourcare (incl. taking people to hospital, fetching
>>>prescriptions), two trained nurses, expenses covered by the county, who
>>>visit the elderly and others after consultation with the GP surgery
>>>(non-medicall visits only) and a likely Parish Nurse sponsored by local
>>>churches to do the same sort of thing.
>>>
>>>
>> What does "likely" mean in this context?
>
>Probably going to go ahead.
>
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If vegetarians eat vegetables,..beware of humanitarians!
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