OT: World Athletics
Fenny
2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
[1] Unlike the non-existent support for the 1991 World Student Games,
which was a lot more successful than anyone in high places will ever let
on.
--
Fenny - C-COITUS (co)
Oz: Maybe it's because of all the scary things we've seen, but hippos
wearing tutus just don't unnerve me like they used to.
Tony Gartshore
allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
> Let's just hope that the government get behind Sheffield [1] to host the
> 2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
> Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
>
been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
Tony
--
Americans think 100 years is a long time
Europeans think 100 miles is a long way.
Martin Clark
about...
>Let's just hope that the government get behind Sheffield [1] to host the
>2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
>Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
>
there is a handy set of facilities nearing completion for next year's
Commonwealth Games?
--
Martin up in t' Pennines
If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. (Mark Twain)
Alex
"Tony Gartshore" <to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1626eb914...@news.freeserve.net...
> Didn't the relevant governing body say the other day that the games had
> been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
> Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
>
Stephen GC Tilley
>
>In article <MPG.1626e61ef...@news.onetel.net.uk>,
>allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
>> Let's just hope that the government get behind Sheffield [1] to host the
>> 2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
>> Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
>>
>Didn't the relevant governing body say the other day that the games had
>been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
>Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
Simple, just extend London's borders to include Sheffield.
--
Stephen Tilley - Um...@aol.com
Driven by Improbability
Fenny
heard Stephen GC Tilley say...
Bernard M. Earp
Gartshore <to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> writes
>In article <MPG.1626e61ef...@news.onetel.net.uk>,
>allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
>> Let's just hope that the government get behind Sheffield [1] to host the
>> 2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
>> Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
>>
>Didn't the relevant governing body say the other day that the games had
>been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
>Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
>
>Tony
London counts as a country?
Tighten up the Border Patrols and Customs inspection right away
--
Bernard M. Earp
Holding the Lancastrian heights of Bromley Cross
and the PLOP Award 2001
Stephen GC Tilley
>
>So, if I have this right that relevant Governing Body is tacitly saying
>London counts as a country?
> Tighten up the Border Patrols and Customs inspection right away
What do you think the M25 was built for? It makes no sense as a road, but
consider it as a border control zone and you'll understand....
anon...@firedrake.org
>In article <MPG.1626eb914...@news.freeserve.net>, Tony
>Gartshore <to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> writes
>>Didn't the relevant governing body say the other day that the games had
>>been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
>>Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
>So, if I have this right that relevant Governing Body is tacitly saying
>London counts as a country?
> Tighten up the Border Patrols and Customs inspection right away
AIUI, the nice Mr Livingstone is planning to have very fixed borders and
charge you to drive in, which may have much the same effect.
Weevil
AttLSM, UBBBA, UNCEMPT BAG
authorised to mend holes in the fabric of the continuum
Martin Clark
about...
>In message <K6Y$PLEcTY...@earp.demon.co.uk> Bernard M. Earp wrote:
>
>>In article <MPG.1626eb914...@news.freeserve.net>, Tony
>>Gartshore <to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> writes
>>>Didn't the relevant governing body say the other day that the games had
>>>been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
>>>Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
>>So, if I have this right that relevant Governing Body is tacitly saying
>>London counts as a country?
>> Tighten up the Border Patrols and Customs inspection right away
>
>AIUI, the nice Mr Livingstone is planning to have very fixed borders and
>charge you to drive in, which may have much the same effect.
>
Stephen GC Tilley
>
>In message <K6Y$PLEcTY...@earp.demon.co.uk> Bernard M. Earp wrote:
>
>>In article <MPG.1626eb914...@news.freeserve.net>, Tony
>>Gartshore <to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> writes
>>>Didn't the relevant governing body say the other day that the games had
>>>been awarded to London, not to Britain? The inference being that if
>>>Picket's Lock didn't happen the games would go to another country ?
>>So, if I have this right that relevant Governing Body is tacitly saying
>>London counts as a country?
>> Tighten up the Border Patrols and Customs inspection right away
>
>AIUI, the nice Mr Livingstone is planning to have very fixed borders and
>charge you to drive in, which may have much the same effect.
Son'n'I work within sight of one another but he will be 'outside' and I will be
'inside' so we must take care he doesn't absent-mindedly drive 'inside' to pick
me up for a lift home.
Chris Harrison
allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
> 2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
> Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
>
> [1] Unlike the non-existent support for the 1991 World Student Games,
> which was a lot more successful than anyone in high places will ever let
> on.
But, as an event, mattered little to few others than the competitors
themselves.
Why is hosting these events seen such as such a good thing? They cost an
arm and a leg, few people come to visit purely to spectate (even the
crowds for Olympics and footie World Cups are generally dominated by
locals).
The best you can hope for is that there remains afterwards a legacy for
the surrounding area, but even this doesn't work all the time. In order
for Manchester's bid to have succeeded, their brand spanking new aquatic
centre (a fine facility by all accounts) soaked (sic) up so much money
that other local baths have been forced to close/reduce hours.
--
chris harrison
http://www.lowfield.co.uk/
Neil Hopkins
<ne...@lowfield.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <MPG.1626e61ef...@news.onetel.net.uk>,
>allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
>> Let's just hope that the government get behind Sheffield [1] to host the
>> 2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
>> Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
>>
>> [1] Unlike the non-existent support for the 1991 World Student Games,
>> which was a lot more successful than anyone in high places will ever let
>> on.
>
>But, as an event, mattered little to few others than the competitors
>themselves.
>
>Why is hosting these events seen such as such a good thing? They cost an
>arm and a leg,
^^^
That's OK, Emmur has one going spare ...
--
neil h.
Buffy: What are you doing? Five words or less.
Spike: Out. For. A. Walk. ......... Bitch.
BrritSki
>
> In article <MPG.1626e61ef...@news.onetel.net.uk>,
> allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
> > Let's just hope that the government get behind Sheffield [1] to host the
> > 2005 World Athletics now that they have finally realised that Picket's
> > Lock was a d*mn stupid place to think of putting a major stadium.
> >
> > [1] Unlike the non-existent support for the 1991 World Student Games,
> > which was a lot more successful than anyone in high places will ever let
> > on.
>
> But, as an event, mattered little to few others than the competitors
> themselves.
>
> Why is hosting these events seen such as such a good thing? They cost an
So Emmur's set for paying the deposit then ?
Fenny
heard Stephen GC Tilley say...
> >
> >So, if I have this right that relevant Governing Body is tacitly saying
> >London counts as a country?
> > Tighten up the Border Patrols and Customs inspection right away
>
> What do you think the M25 was built for? It makes no sense as a road, but
> consider it as a border control zone and you'll understand....
>
visited, I made a joke about picking off the stationary cars parked
around the border :-)
Rosalind Mitchell
> The best you can hope for is that there remains afterwards a legacy for
> the surrounding area, but even this doesn't work all the time. In order
> for Manchester's bid to have succeeded, their brand spanking new aquatic
> centre (a fine facility by all accounts) soaked (sic) up so much money
> that other local baths have been forced to close/reduce hours.
Swerving a little, I've long wondered why the idea of holding such a major
event as the Olympics in any city other than the capital in the UK is
scoffed at and not taken seriously? As witness the bids by Birmingham and
Manchester?
In my lifetime the summer Olympics have been held in the following
capitals: Rome, Tokyo, Mexico City, Moscow and Seoul. And in the following
non-capitals: Melbourne, Munich, Montreal, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Barcelona
and Sydney. Thus the non-capitals outnumber the capitals.
Rosie
--
Rosalind Mitchell - Worrier Princess
MAME, Curator of Umbeasts
Fenny
> > [1] Unlike the non-existent support for the 1991 World Student Games,
> > which was a lot more successful than anyone in high places will ever let
> > on.
>
> But, as an event, mattered little to few others than the competitors
> themselves.
>
> Why is hosting these events seen such as such a good thing? They cost an
> arm and a leg, few people come to visit purely to spectate (even the
> crowds for Olympics and footie World Cups are generally dominated by
> locals).
>
was excellent. The local residents were very happy to meet the
wonderful range of people who came to the Games. I remember a bunch of
Ghanaians asking me directions and spending over an hour talking to
them. Several people I know are still in touch with overseas friends
they made during the games.
The success of these events is as much to do with what happens out of
the competitive arena as within it.
Fenny
> In my lifetime the summer Olympics have been held in the following
> capitals: Rome, Tokyo, Mexico City, Moscow and Seoul. And in the following
> non-capitals: Melbourne, Munich, Montreal, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Barcelona
> and Sydney. Thus the non-capitals outnumber the capitals.
>
games, the non capitals far outweigh the capitals. Mostly to do with
the availability of the correct type of snow, but it proves that there
is no reason for capital cities to get any preferential treatment.
Tony Walton
>
> >
> The number of visitors to Sheffield, whether to participate or spectate,
> was excellent. The local residents were very happy to meet the
> wonderful range of people who came to the Games. I remember a bunch of
> Ghanaians asking me directions and spending over an hour talking to
> them.
That'll teach you to give more concise directions next time.
--
Tony
Stephen GC Tilley
But if you put Melbourne, Munich, Atlanta, Barcelona and Sydney into a category
called Regional/State Capitals then Los Angeles would be quite lonely.
Stephen GC Tilley
>
>The number of visitors to Sheffield, whether to participate or spectate,
>was excellent. The local residents were very happy to meet the
>wonderful range of people who came to the Games. I remember a bunch of
>Ghanaians asking me directions and spending over an hour talking to
>them. Several people I know are still in touch with overseas friends
>they made during the games.
>
>The success of these events is as much to do with what happens out of
>the competitive arena as within it.
Precisely. And why the Games _should_ be held outside National Capitals that
tend to hog foreigners (diplomats, businessmen, students etc.) anyway.
Stephen GC Tilley
Station to the Bus Station and, bearing in mind what I later discovered to be
their closeness, seemed to be on different planets when I sought directions.
Chris Harrison
ro...@stwerburgh.com says...
> Chris Harrison wrote:
>
> > The best you can hope for is that there remains afterwards a legacy for
> > the surrounding area, but even this doesn't work all the time. In order
> > for Manchester's bid to have succeeded, their brand spanking new aquatic
> > centre (a fine facility by all accounts) soaked (sic) up so much money
> > that other local baths have been forced to close/reduce hours.
>
> Swerving a little, I've long wondered why the idea of holding such a major
> event as the Olympics in any city other than the capital in the UK is
> scoffed at and not taken seriously? As witness the bids by Birmingham and
> Manchester?
It's not scoffed at, is it? AIUI one of the reasons for London bidding in
2012 is that the last few bids (Brum and Manky (twice?)) have failed so
maybe London "deserves" a turn.
Frankly, "snowball" and "hot place" spring to mind. We can't even
organise a national football or athletics stadium when billions are
available to anyone half competent to organise it. But, posts passim, I'm
not actually convinced over the wisdom of hosting the bally things
anyway.
> In my lifetime the summer Olympics have been held in the following
> capitals: Rome, Tokyo, Mexico City, Moscow and Seoul. And in the following
> non-capitals: Melbourne, Munich, Montreal, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Barcelona
> and Sydney. Thus the non-capitals outnumber the capitals.
These places are all, to use an incredibly woolly term, "world cities"
though - in many cases more prominent and populous than their capital.
The exception would be Atlanta, but as the capital of the state of
CNN/Delta/Coke it is an exception.
Chris Harrison
allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk says...
> While shuddering at the thought of Xander and Anya getting engaged, I
> heard Chris Harrison say...
> > > [1] Unlike the non-existent support for the 1991 World Student Games,
> > > which was a lot more successful than anyone in high places will ever let
> > > on.
> >
> > But, as an event, mattered little to few others than the competitors
> > themselves.
> >
> > Why is hosting these events seen such as such a good thing? They cost an
> > arm and a leg, few people come to visit purely to spectate (even the
> > crowds for Olympics and footie World Cups are generally dominated by
> > locals).
> >
> The number of visitors to Sheffield, whether to participate or spectate,
> was excellent. The local residents were very happy to meet the
> wonderful range of people who came to the Games. I remember a bunch of
> Ghanaians asking me directions and spending over an hour talking to
> them. Several people I know are still in touch with overseas friends
> they made during the games.
>
> The success of these events is as much to do with what happens out of
> the competitive arena as within it.
But as an *event* was it worth Sheffield spending millions on it? They've
ended up with a decent swimming pool and an athletics stadium (although
there's not much top level stuff on there these days, is there?)
The locals seem pleased to have staged the event and if that's a good
enough reason for Sheffield to be happy then it's nowt to do wi' me! But
the World Student Games are not, normally, good reason to spend money on
because they are not overly important. Other hosts haven't - Sheffield
won the right to stage them because they'd been sold on the idea as being
a big deal, so they approached it like it was - only to discover that
their rival bids weren't as serious; to whom multi-media was different
coloured crayons on the back of an envelope, not the choreographed
dancers accompanying a hoopy video which launched Sheffield's bid.
It's not that "people in high places" aren't letting on, it's because the
public doesn't give a stuff about the event! Where were the most recent
ones held? How often are they held? Are they just athletics and swimming,
or a multi-disciplinary thing like the Olympics and the Commonwealths?
People don't know because as a sporting event they're irrelevant.
Just ask Montreal if they enjoyed having the Olympics in 1976 - they're
still paying for it. Even if the sporting side of things is important, is
it worth being lumbered with debt for years? (And is this better than
selling your soul to corporate greed to avoid the loss .... )
Martin Clark
something about...
>> event as the Olympics in any city other than the capital in the UK is
>> scoffed at and not taken seriously? As witness the bids by Birmingham and
>> Manchester?
>
>It's not scoffed at, is it? AIUI one of the reasons for London bidding in
>2012 is that the last few bids (Brum and Manky (twice?)) have failed so
>maybe London "deserves" a turn.
>
campaign to bid. The implication was that London was the only place in
Britain that Johnny Foreigner has ever heard of, whereas of course, that
is only true of Americans.
>> In my lifetime the summer Olympics have been held in the following
>> capitals: Rome, Tokyo, Mexico City, Moscow and Seoul. And in the following
>> non-capitals: Melbourne, Munich, Montreal, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Barcelona
>> and Sydney. Thus the non-capitals outnumber the capitals.
>
Exactly. Those places did not fail in their bids because no-one had
heard of them. It is insulting to suggest that people in other countries
have not heard of Birmingham, Manchester or Sheffield.
>These places are all, to use an incredibly woolly term, "world cities"
>though - in many cases more prominent and populous than their capital.
>
Birmingham and Manchester are surely "world cities"?
And, erm... which football club is probably the best known in the world?
Bernard M. Earp
Harrison <ne...@lowfield.co.uk> writes
>Just ask Montreal if they enjoyed having the Olympics in 1976 - they're
>still paying for it. Even if the sporting side of things is important, is
>it worth being lumbered with debt for years? (And is this better than
>selling your soul to corporate greed to avoid the loss .... )
>
Paul Newman in it. "Quintet"?
Terrific effect of a decayed city must have cost a fortune I thought
then found out it had as it was Montreal's Olympic Village which had
been let go downhill after the events
K Richard W
with the following opinion of recent events:
>While shuddering at the thought of Xander and Anya getting engaged, I
>heard Rosalind Mitchell say...
>> In my lifetime the summer Olympics have been held in the following
>> capitals: Rome, Tokyo, Mexico City, Moscow and Seoul. And in the following
>> non-capitals: Melbourne, Munich, Montreal, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Barcelona
>> and Sydney. Thus the non-capitals outnumber the capitals.
>>
>2004, Athens for the capital side, but if you take account of the winter
>games, the non capitals far outweigh the capitals. Mostly to do with
>the availability of the correct type of snow, but it proves that there
>is no reason for capital cities to get any preferential treatment.
I believe that there is now an expectation with the Summer Games that
they will be held in capital cities - because the transport
infrastructure is usually higher.
--
Kosmo Richard W
LSS super-numerary
Tim Hall
<mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Birmingham and Manchester are surely "world cities"?
>
>And, erm... which football club is probably the best known in the world?
Aston Villa?
Tim
Stephen
said:
Dallas Cowboys?
--
Stephen
Blancmange is a dish best served cold.
Martin Clark
about...
>
>I believe that there is now an expectation with the Summer Games that
>they will be held in capital cities - because the transport
>infrastructure is usually higher.
But isn't it also helpful if the traffic actually moves?
anon...@firedrake.org
>Meanwhile, back in the umra bunker, tim...@freeuk.com (Tim Hall)
>said:
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:22:38 +0100, Martin Clark
>><mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>And, erm... which football club is probably the best known in the world?
>>Aston Villa?
>Dallas Cowboys?
Quite seriously, I'd suggest Real Madrid, simply because it's a very
memorable name even to people who aren't football supporters or partisan in
any way.
Chris Harrison
mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk says...
> >These places are all, to use an incredibly woolly term, "world cities"
> >though - in many cases more prominent and populous than their capital.
> >
> Birmingham and Manchester are surely "world cities"?
>
> And, erm... which football club is probably the best known in the world?
Manchester for that single reason (and the commonwealth will know it for
the Test Arena(s)) is somewhere that's known about - I would hesitate to
call it a "world city" though.
Stephen GC Tilley
>
>And, erm... which football club is probably the best known in the world?
Real Madrid, Barcelona or AC Milan?
Martin Clark
something about...
Atlanta world cities?
Chris Harrison
mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk says...
> I may be imagining things, but I thought Chris Harrison muttered
> something about...
> >the Test Arena(s)) is somewhere that's known about - I would hesitate to
> >call it a "world city" though.
> >
> So in what sense are the likes of Barcelona, Munich, Montreal and
> Atlanta world cities?
I don't think Atlanta is, Montreal is borderline but Barcelona and Munich
would struggle. Sydney would definitely count.
I would suggest that to be dubbed a "world city" would be based on size,
commercial importance, regional and global economic impact (so Atlanta
would definitely count), touristicness (which isn't a word),
international transport links (effect rather than cause, admittedly,
Atlanta again).
Generally they might well be from countries where the national capital is
not the most important city or from areas where they are the chief city
in an semi-autonomous region (Basque, Bayern, NSW and Quebec, for
example).
Sorry, but to my southern mind, Manchester just isn't globally important.
Nationally, yes. Internationally known, yes. Important, not really.
Glynn & Kathy Greenwood
<anon...@firedrake.org> wrote:
> Quite seriously, I'd suggest Real Madrid, simply because it's a very
> memorable name even to people who aren't football supporters or
> partisan in any way.
If you want memorable how about Borrusia Munchen Gladback? Even more
memorable is the supporters chant 'Give me a B, give me an O ---- " which
can fill in the odd 15 minutes.
--
Glynn Greenwood
In Stony Stratford, gateway to the mystical city of Milton Keynes
Paddy Smith
"Chris Harrison" <ne...@lowfield.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.162fa9134...@news.claranews.com...
>
> I don't think Atlanta is, Montreal is borderline but Barcelona and Munich
> would struggle. Sydney would definitely count.
[snip]
> Generally they might well be from countries where the national capital is
> not the most important city or from areas where they are the chief city
> in an semi-autonomous region (Basque, Bayern, NSW and Quebec, for
> example).
DINTAFPOU? Catalonia, not Basque.
> Sorry, but to my southern mind, Manchester just isn't globally important.
> Nationally, yes. Internationally known, yes. Important, not really.
The industrial centre of the British Empire? Some silly proportion of the
world's cotton cloth originated in Manchester at the turn of the 19th/20th
C. Freeman Dyson (umra passim) wrote an essay about how important the place
was. There was enough cotton to sew together a sphere in heliocentric orbit,
or something. Gandhi started his home-spinning hobby to break the dependance
of India on Manchester cotton. There was some steel as well, apparently.
Ships, tanks, trains, that sort of lark.
Trouble is, when it comes to World Cities, opera houses and palaces count
for more than being the former powerhouse of a world-spanning empire. In a
dispassionate view of the development of modern life (tm), you bet your
boots that Manchester is globally important.
Culturally, it's also the home of those four loveable young men with their
chirpy songs and daft haircuts and happy-go-lucky attitude. "The rain falls
hard on a humdrum town/This town has dragged you down" they sang, and still
the IOC wouldn't listen to reason.
Paddy
hit the north-ah
Paddy Smith
<anon...@firedrake.org> wrote in message
news:20011011104131....@firedrake.org...
>
> Quite seriously, I'd suggest Real Madrid, simply because it's a very
> memorable name even to people who aren't football supporters or partisan
in
> any way.
Well, of course not - it's Partisan *Belgrade*, silly.
Billy Bragg "had an uncle who once played/For Red Star Belgrade"; East
European teams just have brilliant names... Sparta Prague, Dynamo Zagreb,
Locomotiv Moscow - all very memorable.
Paddy
I was a teenage armchair Honved fan
Tony Walton
>
> In article <20011011104131....@firedrake.org>,
> <anon...@firedrake.org> wrote:
>
> > Quite seriously, I'd suggest Real Madrid, simply because it's a very
> > memorable name even to people who aren't football supporters or
> > partisan in any way.
>
> If you want memorable how about Borrusia Munchen Gladback? Even more
Mönchengladbach (nothing to do with Munich).
I should know - I spent two very cold hours waiting for a train at MGB
station some years ago. Charles - will your website of boring places be
confined to the UK or will it include foreignerland? If the latter,
please put Mönchengladbach station on the page (and Geneva - I agree
with Anne 100% about the place).
> memorable is the supporters chant 'Give me a B, give me an O ---- " which
> can fill in the odd 15 minutes.
:-)
AU: Why *are* some German foopball teams called "Borussia" something (as
in Borussia Dortmund or Borussia MGB)? And what does BVB stand for (as
in Borussia Dortmund being BVB09)?
--
Tony
Chris Harrison
pjsm...@hotmail.com says...
But all I wanted for Christmas was a Dukla Prague away kit.
Chris Harrison
pjsm...@hotmail.com says...
>
> "Chris Harrison" <ne...@lowfield.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.162fa9134...@news.claranews.com...
> >
> > I don't think Atlanta is, Montreal is borderline but Barcelona and Munich
> > would struggle. Sydney would definitely count.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Generally they might well be from countries where the national capital is
> > not the most important city or from areas where they are the chief city
> > in an semi-autonomous region (Basque, Bayern, NSW and Quebec, for
> > example).
>
> DINTAFPOU? Catalonia, not Basque.
I did actually write that and then edit myself into pedantry-target range
...
> > Sorry, but to my southern mind, Manchester just isn't globally important.
> > Nationally, yes. Internationally known, yes. Important, not really.
>
> The industrial centre of the British Empire?
But the sun has set and that's not really globally important any more ...
the world's discovered sun cream and isn't so pink any more.
> Trouble is, when it comes to World Cities, opera houses and palaces count
> for more than being the former powerhouse of a world-spanning empire. In a
> dispassionate view of the development of modern life (tm), you bet your
> boots that Manchester is globally important.
Palaces are capitals, tho', eny Civ-playing fule kno that.
Rosalind Mitchell
> On returning from my virus check I saw that Martin had said ...
>>
>>And, erm... which football club is probably the best known in the world?
>
> Real Madrid, Barcelona or AC Milan?
I'd assumed that Martin meant Liverpool, though Liverpool (surely a World
City) hasn't mounted an Olympic bid.
Rosie
--
Rosalind Mitchell - Worrier Princess
MAME, Curator of Umbeasts
Siderius Nuncius
Chris Harrison wrote in message ...
>In article <+nEaFCAM...@auluk.freeserve.co.uk>,
>mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk says...
>> I may be imagining things, but I thought Chris Harrison muttered
>> something about...
>> >Manchester for that single reason (and the commonwealth will know it for
>> >the Test Arena(s)) is somewhere that's known about - I would hesitate to
>> >call it a "world city" though.
>> >
>> So in what sense are the likes of Barcelona, Munich, Montreal and
>> Atlanta world cities?
>
>I don't think Atlanta is, Montreal is borderline but Barcelona and Munich
>would struggle. Sydney would definitely count.
I have no idea what a "world city" is. What I can say is that I went to the
Munich Olympics, and Munich was a substantial, charming city which was very
well set up to cope with the event. Even with the huge influx of visitors it
was busy but never objectionably so, one could always get to where one was
going and get in in reasonable time and comfort, and there was plenty to see
and do apart from the games. I am sure that Manchester could offer the same,
which seems to me to make it a serious contender.
Of course, what would probably happen is that a committee would be set up
and make its recommendations two years late. These would then be changed
just enough to make them wholly unworkable and, three months after work had
begun in a desperate and doomed attempt to produce something viable, the
Minister for Sport would pull the plug and say to the IOC, "Er....how about
Ashby de la Zouche instead. It's awfully nice and I'm sure they'd cope
terribly well if they all pulled togther......"
--
Sid
Shepherds Bush, West London
Tony Gartshore
siderius...@tesco.net says...
<snip>
> Ashby de la Zouche instead. It's awfully nice and I'm sure they'd cope
> terribly well if they all pulled togther......"
Ashby is a nice town.. Interesting castle and history. We used to get
boxes of broken biccies from the biccie factory, if you struck lucky you
would get a box that was all chocolate biccies and custard creams.
Sometimes they were all rich tea though ;-( Next door was a soap factory
where you could get cheap, err, soap.. Town centre had a marvelous old
fashioned butcher with all manner of dead animals hanging outside. I
believe it got fire bombed a few years back...
Tony.
--
Americans think 100 years is a long time
Europeans think 100 miles is a long way.
nick odell
<to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> wrote:
>Ashby is a nice town.. Interesting castle and history. We used to get
>boxes of broken biccies from the biccie factory, if you struck lucky you
>would get a box that was all chocolate biccies and custard creams.
>Sometimes they were all rich tea though ;-( Next door was a soap factory
>where you could get cheap, err, soap.. Town centre had a marvelous old
>fashioned butcher with all manner of dead animals hanging outside. I
>believe it got fire bombed a few years back...
>
So it is not all Adrian Mole then?
Nick
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Nick Atty
The fast show Chanel 9 sport's news is running through my head now:
Dynamo Alternator 3, Munchen Munchen Munchen Gladtobeback 1
--
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(Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)
Martin Clark
something about...
>Ashby is a nice town..
Hear, hear. I met Penny and Famine there once during an eclipse.
>Interesting castle and history. We used to get
>boxes of broken biccies from the biccie factory, if you struck lucky you
>would get a box that was all chocolate biccies and custard creams.
>Sometimes they were all rich tea though ;-( Next door was a soap factory
>where you could get cheap, err, soap.. Town centre had a marvelous old
>fashioned butcher with all manner of dead animals hanging outside. I
>believe it got fire bombed a few years back...
>
I bet that was some barbecue!
George Middleton
<gw...@argonet.co.uk> writes
>If you want memorable how about Borrusia Munchen Gladback?
Borussia Moenchengladbach.
What does the Borussia bit mean? (It's also in Borussia Dortmund)
My guess is that it means Prussians like Bolton has Wanderers and London
has Irish.
An extension of the guess translates Bayern München as "Munich
Bavarians"
Sebastian?
--
George
Fenny
> I believe that there is now an expectation with the Summer Games that
> they will be held in capital cities - because the transport
> infrastructure is usually higher.
>
travel solely by public transport than London. And in the peiods when
any major games might be held, the place would be heaving with language
school students etc as well as anyone who may want to watch the sporting
events.
--
Fenny - C-COITUS (co)
Oz: Maybe it's because of all the scary things we've seen, but hippos
wearing tutus just don't unnerve me like they used to.
Stephen
<ne...@lowfield.co.uk> said:
>In article <+nEaFCAM...@auluk.freeserve.co.uk>,
>mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk says...
>> So in what sense are the likes of Barcelona, Munich, Montreal and
>> Atlanta world cities?
>
>I don't think Atlanta is, Montreal is borderline but Barcelona and Munich
>would struggle. Sydney would definitely count.
Atlanta is home to the corporate HQ of Coca Cola (no longer the
World's most recognisable brand - the Golden Archers (TWATBILI) of
McDonalds now claim that honour, but still quite a big deal around the
World). Atlanta is also home to CNN HQ. Why is it less of a World
City than Sydney?
Colin Blackburn
tony....@uk.sun.com says...
> AU: Why *are* some German foopball teams called "Borussia" something (as
> in Borussia Dortmund or Borussia MGB)? And what does BVB stand for (as
> in Borussia Dortmund being BVB09)?
It was founded in 1909, is bvb short for founded?
Colin
--
Colin Blackburn
2002 United Nations Year of the Palindrome
Tony Walton
>
>
> An extension of the guess translates Bayern München as "Munich
> Bavarians"
Yup. Unlike Bayer Leverkusen who are (or were?) sponsored by Bayer
Pharmaceuticals.
--
Tony
Jennifer
<phys...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <3BC5D202...@uk.sun.com>,
>tony....@uk.sun.com says...
>
>> AU: Why *are* some German foopball teams called "Borussia" something (as
>> in Borussia Dortmund or Borussia MGB)? And what does BVB stand for (as
>> in Borussia Dortmund being BVB09)?
>
>It was founded in 1909, is bvb short for founded?
I dunno. What's short for losted?
Jen
Glynn & Kathy Greenwood
Tony Gartshore <to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> wrote:
> Ashby is a nice town.. Interesting castle and history. We used to get
> boxes of broken biccies from the biccie factory, if you struck lucky
> you would get a box that was all chocolate biccies and custard creams.
> Sometimes they were all rich tea though ;-(
A local market trader imports them. I attempt to remove the bourbon
creams.
Glynn & Kathy Greenwood
Tony Walton <tony....@uk.sun.com> wrote:
> Mönchengladbach (nothing to do with Munich).
But how would an Englischer schwien like me know?
Rosalind Mitchell
>> Ashby is a nice town.. Interesting castle and history. We used to get
> boxes of broken biccies from the biccie factory, if you struck lucky you
> would get a box that was all chocolate biccies and custard creams.
> Sometimes they were all rich tea though
It used to be possible to get a big box of biscuits from St Neots market.
The top layer was *always* custard creams and chocolate bourbon creams,
but underneath it was *always* rich tea.
Robin Parkinson
> Tony Gartshore wrote:
>
>>> Ashby is a nice town.. Interesting castle and history. We used to get
>> boxes of broken biccies from the biccie factory, if you struck lucky you
>> would get a box that was all chocolate biccies and custard creams.
>> Sometimes they were all rich tea though
>
> It used to be possible to get a big box of biscuits from St Neots market.
> The top layer was *always* custard creams and chocolate bourbon creams,
> but underneath it was *always* rich tea.
When I were at Leeds uni a mate of mine lived down the road from the
Bronte biscuits factory (before they sold out to Paterson and became
available everywhere.) You could get huge boxes of 'mis-shapes', 90% of
which were perfect as far as I could tell. I remember the jealousy that
ensued when I discovered that my box was pretty near full of their
chocolate viennese fingers.
(Yes, I'm too soft-hearted for my own good. I shared.)
- Robin.
--
Trout: slightly fishy, but never coarse. http://www.troutmag.org
Andy Minter
<to...@xxevil-photographer.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <9q4sto$lscsc$3...@ID-70308.news.dfncis.de>,
>siderius...@tesco.net says...
><snip>
>> Minister for Sport would pull the plug and say to the IOC, "Er....how about
>> Ashby de la Zouche instead. It's awfully nice and I'm sure they'd cope
>> terribly well if they all pulled togther......"
>
>Ashby is a nice town.. Interesting castle and history. We used to get
And a nice beach too I believe
Regards
Andy Minter
Charles F Hankel
> Exactly. Those places did not fail in their bids because no-one had
> heard of them. It is insulting to suggest that people in other countries
> have not heard of Birmingham, Manchester or Sheffield.
It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
There, that's my bit done for Mersey Champions [*] for today.
[*] http://www.mymerseyside.org/ though probably not a good site to visit
if you have switched off Java completely (umra passim)
--
Charles F Hankel
-------------------------------------
Hapless FAQer on the Wirral peninsula
umraFAQ is at http://www.umra.org.uk/
Chris Harrison
cha...@hankel.freedombird.net says...
> Martin Clark <mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> said:
>
> > Exactly. Those places did not fail in their bids because no-one had
> > heard of them. It is insulting to suggest that people in other countries
> > have not heard of Birmingham, Manchester or Sheffield.
But not so insulting to say that they'd heard of them and then decided
that they wouldn't want to go there? :)
> It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
> more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
Who was it who described the Falklands "War" as two bald men fighting
over a comb?
Martin Clark
something about...
>Martin Clark <mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> said:
>
>> Exactly. Those places did not fail in their bids because no-one had
>> heard of them. It is insulting to suggest that people in other countries
>> have not heard of Birmingham, Manchester or Sheffield.
>
>It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
>more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
>
>There, that's my bit done for Mersey Champions [*] for today.
>
Charles F Hankel
<mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> I may be imagining things, but I thought Charles F Hankel muttered
> something about...
> >Martin Clark <mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> said:
> >
> >> Exactly. Those places did not fail in their bids because no-one had
> >> heard of them. It is insulting to suggest that people in other countries
> >> have not heard of Birmingham, Manchester or Sheffield.
> >
> >It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
> >more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
> >
> >There, that's my bit done for Mersey Champions [*] for today.
> >
> Where's Liverpool?
Where the contents of your house are.
Eh? Oh, sorry that message was two days early.
Rob Linham
wrote:
> Who was it who described the Falklands "War" as two bald men fighting
> over a comb?
Jose Luis Borges (sp?). This has come up in every single quiz question
about Borges I have ever read, which is quite a lot, considering that he
seems to be one of only about three possible answers for a question on
South American literature.
r.
--
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E-mail: rob_l...@yahoo.co.uk
Web: http://www.geocities.com/rob_linham
Martin Clark
something about...
>On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:47:33 +0100, Martin Clark
><mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I may be imagining things, but I thought Charles F Hankel muttered
>> something about...
>> >Martin Clark <mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> said:
>> >
>> >> Exactly. Those places did not fail in their bids because no-one had
>> >> heard of them. It is insulting to suggest that people in other countries
>> >> have not heard of Birmingham, Manchester or Sheffield.
>> >
>> >It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
>> >more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
>> >
>> >There, that's my bit done for Mersey Champions [*] for today.
>> >
>> Where's Liverpool?
>
>Where the contents of your house are.
>
>Eh? Oh, sorry that message was two days early.
>
Elizabeth
<mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>So where will my car be?
On fire,somewhere in Wallasey.
Lizbuff,deep in the bunker
Charles F Hankel
> While shuddering at the thought of Xander and Anya getting engaged, I
> heard Stephen GC Tilley say...
> >
> > Simple, just extend London's borders to include Sheffield.
> >
> Eeeeek, wash your mouth out.
Quite, they may only be soft southern jessies in London but I wouldn't want
to visit that horror on them.
Charles F Hankel
> I should know - I spent two very cold hours waiting for a train at MGB
> station some years ago. Charles - will your website of boring places be
> confined to the UK or will it include foreignerland? If the latter,
> please put Mönchengladbach station on the page (and Geneva - I agree
> with Anne 100% about the place).
Sorry, don't know what you're talking about. I'm currently working on a
reconstruction of http://www.umra.org.uk/ and the construction of my latest
brainchild, http://www.merseytravel.info/, because the official website has
gone AWOL.
Charles F Hankel
> In article <3BC5D202...@uk.sun.com>,
> Tony Walton <tony....@uk.sun.com> wrote:
>
> > Mönchengladbach (nothing to do with Munich).
>
> But how would an Englischer schwien like me know?
You've been reading Hotspur again, haven't you?
Charles F Hankel
Is it? I rather thought that it was because it was part of the Bayer
Sports and Social Club, a bit like PSV Eindhoven is the Philips Sports Club
in the Netherlands.
Charles F Hankel
> Billy Bragg "had an uncle who once played/For Red Star Belgrade"; East
> European teams just have brilliant names... Sparta Prague, Dynamo Zagreb,
> Locomotiv Moscow - all very memorable.
IIRC BIMBAM all players in the Dinamo clubs in the Soviet Union (when it
was such) were serving members of Spetznaz. At least I think it was the
Dinamo clubs but the memory is a bit hazy tonight.
Charles F Hankel
> The industrial centre of the British Empire? Some silly proportion of the
> world's cotton cloth originated in Manchester at the turn of the 19th/20th
> C. Freeman Dyson (umra passim) wrote an essay about how important the place
> was. There was enough cotton to sew together a sphere in heliocentric orbit,
> or something. Gandhi started his home-spinning hobby to break the dependance
> of India on Manchester cotton.
The Indian (Hindi?) word for corduroy is manchester.
Charles F Hankel
> I'd assumed that Martin meant Liverpool, though Liverpool (surely a World
> City) hasn't mounted an Olympic bid.
A bit too upmarket for that sort of popularist stunt is Liverpool. It is
currently bidding to be Capital of Culture and at the same time is knocking
down loads of the Georgian buildings that the rotund Mr Goering's chaps
missed fifty years ago.
nick odell
<cha...@hankel.freedombird.net> wrote:
>Tony Walton <tony....@uk.sun.com> said:
>
>> I should know - I spent two very cold hours waiting for a train at MGB
>> station some years ago. Charles - will your website of boring places be
>> confined to the UK or will it include foreignerland? If the latter,
>> please put Mönchengladbach station on the page (and Geneva - I agree
>> with Anne 100% about the place).
>
>Sorry, don't know what you're talking about. I'm currently working on a
>reconstruction of http://www.umra.org.uk/ and the construction of my latest
>brainchild, http://www.merseytravel.info/, because the official website has
>gone AWOL.
Nice one, Charles. Do you plan to add a _real_ timetable database to
merge with http://ukbus.u-net.co.uk/ibcountY.htm
I don't suppose you had anything to do with http://www.whitehouse.net/
Although as faics http://www.whitehouse.gov hasn't gone awol (yet).
Nick
--
real e-mail is themusic dot workshop at ntlworld dot com
Jo Lonergan
<cha...@hankel.freedombird.net> wrote:
>"Paddy Smith" <pjsm...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> The industrial centre of the British Empire? Some silly proportion of the
>> world's cotton cloth originated in Manchester at the turn of the 19th/20th
>> C. Freeman Dyson (umra passim) wrote an essay about how important the place
>> was. There was enough cotton to sew together a sphere in heliocentric orbit,
>> or something. Gandhi started his home-spinning hobby to break the dependance
>> of India on Manchester cotton.
>
>The Indian (Hindi?) word for corduroy is manchester.
Ditto French and German. My new Manchester jacket is navy blue and
completely logo free.
--
Jo
Martin Clark
something about...
>
>> I should know - I spent two very cold hours waiting for a train at MGB
>> station some years ago. Charles - will your website of boring places be
>> confined to the UK or will it include foreignerland? If the latter,
>> please put Mönchengladbach station on the page (and Geneva - I agree
>> with Anne 100% about the place).
>
>Sorry, don't know what you're talking about. I'm currently working on a
>reconstruction of http://www.umra.org.uk/ and the construction of my latest
>brainchild, http://www.merseytravel.info/, because the official website has
>gone AWOL.
>
your list, Charles.
:o)
Martin Clark
about...
Elizabeth
<mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>I may be imagining things, but I thought Elizabeth muttered something
>about...
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:22:37 +0100, Martin Clark
>><mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>So where will my car be?
>>
>>On fire,somewhere in Wallasey.
>>
>>Lizbuff,deep in the bunker
>>
>Ah - and I've been looking for it around Farnworth and Little Hulton.
Well also good options.
Lizbuff
Elizabeth
<mar...@auluk.nospamplease.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>I may be imagining things, but I thought Charles F Hankel muttered
>something about...
>>Tony Walton <tony....@uk.sun.com> said:
>>
>>> I should know - I spent two very cold hours waiting for a train at MGB
>>> station some years ago. Charles - will your website of boring places be
>>> confined to the UK or will it include foreignerland? If the latter,
>>> please put Mönchengladbach station on the page (and Geneva - I agree
>>> with Anne 100% about the place).
>>
>>Sorry, don't know what you're talking about. I'm currently working on a
>>reconstruction of http://www.umra.org.uk/ and the construction of my latest
>>brainchild, http://www.merseytravel.info/, because the official website has
>>gone AWOL.
drearyplaces.net do you mean,come on Charles you're slacking.
Lizbuff
Charles F Hankel
odell) wrote:
> Nice one, Charles. Do you plan to add a _real_ timetable database to
> merge with http://ukbus.u-net.co.uk/ibcountY.htm
Sounds like a good idea., I'll have to investigate this.
> I don't suppose you had anything to do with http://www.whitehouse.net/
>
> Although as faics http://www.whitehouse.gov hasn't gone awol (yet).
>
> Nick
--
Charles F Hankel
Charles F Hankel
odell) wrote:
> Nice one, Charles. Do you plan to add a _real_ timetable database to
> merge with http://ukbus.u-net.co.uk/ibcountY.htm
OK, I looked. How does it work? Is this a high-fee software thing or
one of those odd cooperative jobbies? I don't seem to be able to find
any further info.
nick odell
<u...@hankel.freedombird.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:13:27 GMT, gurzhfvp...@ntlworld.com (nick
>odell) wrote:
>
>> Nice one, Charles. Do you plan to add a _real_ timetable database to
>> merge with http://ukbus.u-net.co.uk/ibcountY.htm
>
>OK, I looked. How does it work? Is this a high-fee software thing or
>one of those odd cooperative jobbies? I don't seem to be able to find
>any further info.
>
I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Anne quite cheerfully
calls herself a technonumpty - I just keep quiet about it. All I know
is that I regularly use the timetables and journey planner from
http://ukbus.u-net.co.uk/cgi/jp.exe?c=Metr&x=0&s=Y& and that if I
enter a destination outside the West Yorks metro area that occurs in
one of the other zones, it will plot (often highly illogical and
impossible) journeys between the two.
Charles F Hankel
odell) wrote:
> I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Anne quite cheerfully
> calls herself a technonumpty - I just keep quiet about it. All I know
> is that I regularly use the timetables and journey planner from
> http://ukbus.u-net.co.uk/cgi/jp.exe?c=Metr&x=0&s=Y& and that if I
> enter a destination outside the West Yorks metro area that occurs in
> one of the other zones, it will plot (often highly illogical and
> impossible) journeys between the two.
I understand. What I was wondering is how the thing works. Does one
just send them a timetable and in which format, or does one link a
timetable to them, or does on need to buy their software to be linked
to fromthe site, or .... well, you can see that I have a few
questions, none fo which could be answered by the website, sadly.
Fenny
> It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
> more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
>
the world has been forgotten?
Ma & I went to the fantastic Kelham Island museum earlier in the year.
It was there that I discovered that Camel Laird were not just
shipbuilders, but manufactured all kinds of things in their Sheffield
factories.
--
Fenny - C-COITUS (co)
Oz: Maybe it's because of all the scary things we've seen, but hippos
wearing tutus just don't unnerve me like they used to.
Neil Hopkins
allspamwil...@rickmansworth.mersinet.co.uk (Fenny) wrote:
>While shuddering at the thought of Xander and Anya getting engaged, I
>heard Charles F Hankel say...
>> It's somewhat more reasonable to assume that they have heard of Liverpool;
>> more so than, say, Manchester or Sheffield.
>>
>So the fact that Sheffield plate and cutlery is / was exported all over
>the world has been forgotten?
>
>Ma & I went to the fantastic Kelham Island museum earlier in the year.
>It was there that I discovered that Camel Laird were not just
>shipbuilders, but manufactured all kinds of things in their Sheffield
>factories.
Did you time your visit to see the River Don Engine in steam? A truely
fantastic sight when it switches from forward to reverse in the blink
of an eye. The Fat Cat pub next door is also well worth a visit as
they have a good selection of food, a non-smoking room and an
extensive list of home-brewed and guest beers.
--
neil h.
Buffy: What are you doing? Five words or less.
Spike: Out. For. A. Walk. ......... Bitch.
Fenny
> Did you time your visit to see the River Don Engine in steam? A truely
> fantastic sight when it switches from forward to reverse in the blink
> of an eye.
> The Fat Cat pub next door is also well worth a visit as
> they have a good selection of food, a non-smoking room and an
> extensive list of home-brewed and guest beers.
Ma took me to the Fat Cat for lunch on my 18th birthday. We went again
for my 36th. I made some comment about only taking me out for lunch
every 18 years :-)