Persimmon Pip/Stone

[Tony Smith]

I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.

[krw]

On 7.12.23 14:11, Tony Smith wrote:
> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.

Good luck. Pip seems stoned regularly these days.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <17406e52-d632-4381...@googlegroups.com> at
Thu, 7 Dec 2023 06:11:36, Tony Smith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes

>I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once before
>and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen window sill
>but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.

Label it this time (-:

(Actually not a bad idea - you can note date of starting, and such; you
may think now you'll remember, but ...)

I've little idea what a persimmon is. (I wondered if this might be a
post about young Ms. Archer, as you capitalised it!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The first draft was "flick me all over with ..." (RT Chtr 2020)

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <17406e52-d632-4381...@googlegroups.com> at
> Thu, 7 Dec 2023 06:11:36, Tony Smith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes
>> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once before
>> and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen window sill
>> but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>
> Label it this time (-:
>
> (Actually not a bad idea - you can note date of starting, and such; you
> may think now you'll remember, but ...)
>
> I've little idea what a persimmon is. (I wondered if this might be a
> post about young Ms. Archer, as you capitalised it!)

Back in the summer, I had a ginger root that I attacked with the grater a
few times when cooking; I happened to notice there was a green shoot
appearing from a nodule of the root. The shoot continued to grow - and
grow, so I broke off the nodule and planted it up. Mr. Ginger grew quite
tall and eventually had 8 or 9 leaves but come the darker days of late
autumn, it withered … Mrs. McToodles gave it to the compost bin earlier
this week.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

[Sam Plusnet]

It's quite easy to grow ginger.
For best results, move to the tropics.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Mike McMillan]

Could you allow a little bit of latitude in that requirement?

[Mike McMillan]

Could you allow me a little latitude in that requirement?

[Rosie Mitchell]

I'm sure we could give you a degree or two. Would 23 be enough?

Rosie
BTM elect

[Mike McMillan]

I believe that even Three Degrees would be quite popular.

[Penny]

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 15:28:47 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodl...@virginmedia.com> scrawled in the dust...

>Back in the summer, I had a ginger root that I attacked with the grater a
>few times when cooking; I happened to notice there was a green shoot
>appearing from a nodule of the root. The shoot continued to grow - and
>grow, so I broke off the nodule and planted it up. Mr. Ginger grew quite
>tall and eventually had 8 or 9 leaves but come the darker days of late
>autumn, it withered … Mrs. McToodles gave it to the compost bin earlier
>this week.

I grew one in a pot which sat on the boiler for some months and grew rather
well. They have amazing flowers, which was what I was hoping for, but I
probably started it too late in the year.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

[Mike McMillan]

Round ‘ere, they build ‘ouses.

[Tony Smith]

On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.

Now planted.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <5c3a4e18-bfce-4849...@googlegroups.com> at
Wed, 13 Dec 2023 12:22:41, Tony Smith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes

And herself told, I hope (-:

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Her [Valerie Singleton's] main job on /Blue Peter/ was to stop unpredictable
creatres running amok. And that was just John Noakes.
- Alison Pearson, RT 2014/9/6-12

[Tony Smith]

A month, and no signs of germination.

[Sam Plusnet]

Don't you have to stick them in the freezer or somesuch?
Plenty of suggestions via google.

--
Sam Plusnet

[tonysmith]

A shoot!

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <32031dd109af50b8...@www.novabbs.com> at Tue, 23
Jan 2024 10:52:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes

A score!

No, I'm glad it is alive! (Not that I have much idea what a persimmon
is. Don't tell me - I could look.) It's pleasing when a plant shows life
after a long period of apparent inactivity; I feel it every year when my
hippeastrum (amaryllis) puts outs its ridiculous flower stalk, followed
by its healthy leaf pairs, when they've usually died off a few months
previously. (This year one leaf has - so far - remained green and fairly
healthy, though the very tip has yellowed so I think it's going to go.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too
dark to read." - Groucho Marx

[Vicky]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:38:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>No, I'm glad it is alive! (Not that I have much idea what a persimmon

Nor have I but I've got a 3 pack on order for delivery from Tescos
tomorrow to find out. They are apparently very healthy
https://www.healthifyme.com/blog/persimmon-benefits/#:~:text=It%20is%20better%20not%20to%20eat%20more%20than%20one%20persimmon,nausea%2C%20vomiting%2C%20or%20constipation.

[Nick Odell]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:38:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <32031dd109af50b8...@www.novabbs.com> at Tue, 23
>Jan 2024 10:52:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes
>>Tony Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>> > I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>> >before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>> >window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>> Now planted.
>>
>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>
>>A shoot!
>
>A score!
>

A Derby winner in 1896!!

Nick

[Jenny M Benson]

On 23/01/2024 14:38, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
It's pleasing when a plant shows life
> after a long period of apparent inactivity; I feel it every year when my
> hippeastrum (amaryllis) puts outs its ridiculous flower stalk, followed
> by its healthy leaf pairs, when they've usually died off a few months
> previously. (This year one leaf has - so far - remained green and fairly
> healthy, though the very tip has yellowed so I think it's going to go.)

Good to know you are guardian of a hippeastrum, too, Jpeg. I *adore*
them and have numerous. Several of them have flowered indoors, some for
several seasons and I had 4 outdoor flowers this year. Also have
several babies which haven't reached flowering age yet.

My dear brother Gervase died last year and my sister-in-law is the
delighted owner of a hippeastrum "Gervase." I plan to get one this year.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <l1ap9l...@mid.individual.net> at Tue, 23 Jan 2024
21:27:16, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes

>On 23/01/2024 14:38, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> It's pleasing when a plant shows life
>> after a long period of apparent inactivity; I feel it every year when
>>my hippeastrum (amaryllis) puts outs its ridiculous flower stalk,
>>followed by its healthy leaf pairs, when they've usually died off a
>>few months previously. (This year one leaf has - so far - remained
>>green and fairly healthy, though the very tip has yellowed so I think
>>it's going to go.)
>
>Good to know you are guardian of a hippeastrum, too, Jpeg. I *adore*

Someone gave me the big bulb, in its cardboard presentation box labelled
amaryllis, some years ago; I didn't get round to potting it for a few
months, then did, as per the instructions; I gave it more compost I
think the second year, but no more since: I just give it the dregs when
I rinse the mug I drink (coffee, fruit juice) from, and it seems to be
happy with that (plus whatever it fixes by photosynthesis from the
leaves during the year).

It has put up that ridiculous stalk - grows unbelievably fast, about an
inch a day until about two feet tall - usually somewhere February to
April - every year but one (2022 I think), which then produces those
four ridiculous red flowers: I always think they represent those Tannoy
speaker stacks you used to see at village fetes and the like. I think it
put up two spikes (thus eight flowers) the first year. Once the flowers
(and spike) have gone, it puts out about four pairs of healthy leaves;
despite instructions I don't remove those until they shrivel (and I
leave them until the green has all gone, on the assumption that it's
draining back into the bulb), which they usually do in the autumn. As I
said above, this year one leaf has remained mostly green. (For those
that don't know, the leaves are long and thin - like blades of grass,
but about an inch wide, up to about two feet long (so as they come in
pairs usually, about a yard span), and a bit thicker. Think celery, but
not quite as solid (and darker).

>them and have numerous. Several of them have flowered indoors, some
>for several seasons and I had 4 outdoor flowers this year. Also have
>several babies which haven't reached flowering age yet.

Mine's never been outdoors; it lives on the kitchen draining board most
of the year, but I transfer it to one of my front windows when the spike
starts to appear so my neighbours can see and share the flowers.

I sometimes cross-pollinate it which makes seed balls, but I've never
done anything with them.

>
>My dear brother Gervase died last year and my sister-in-law is the
>delighted owner of a hippeastrum "Gervase." I plan to get one this
>year.
>

Is that the white-flower one?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

There's too much attention paid to how TV can be bad for you, but I think it's
good for us more often than it's bad - Professor Barrie Gunter of Sheffield
University (quoted in RT, 15-21 March 2003).

[BrritSki]

On 23/01/2024 21:27, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 23/01/2024 14:38, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>  It's pleasing when a plant shows life
>> after a long period of apparent inactivity; I feel it every year when
>> my hippeastrum (amaryllis) puts outs its ridiculous flower stalk,
>> followed by its healthy leaf pairs, when they've usually died off a
>> few months previously. (This year one leaf has - so far - remained
>> green and fairly healthy, though the very tip has yellowed so I think
>> it's going to go.)
>
> Good to know you are guardian of a hippeastrum, too, Jpeg.  I *adore*
> them and have numerous.  Several of them have flowered indoors, some for
>  several seasons and I had 4 outdoor flowers this year.

There were hundreds in our garden in Ceriana. Not planted by us, they
were a relic from when the land was used to grow flowers for the Flower
Market in San Remo.

Looked very weird when they first started poking through like little
snakes and then were a beautiful blue and came back again year after year.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <l1bvg1...@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 24 Jan 2024
08:19:14, BrritSki <rtilbur...@gmail.com> writes
[]

>> Good to know you are guardian of a hippeastrum, too, Jpeg.  I
>>*adore* them and have numerous.  Several of them have flowered
>>indoors, some for  several seasons and I had 4 outdoor flowers this
>>year.
>
>There were hundreds in our garden in Ceriana. Not planted by us, they
>were a relic from when the land was used to grow flowers for the Flower
>Market in San Remo.
>
>Looked very weird when they first started poking through like little
>snakes and then were a beautiful blue and came back again year after
>year.
>

Oh, I never knew there were blue ones; the commonest colour here is red,
and I've also seen (or at least seen pictures of, not sure if in real
life) white. Blue (dark or light) would be nice.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni, Vidi, Vera (I came, I saw, we'll meet again) - Mik from S+AS Limited
(m...@saslimited.demon.co.uk), 1998

[BrritSki]

On 24/01/2024 08:26, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <l1bvg1...@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 24 Jan 2024
> 08:19:14, BrritSki <rtilbur...@gmail.com> writes
> []
>>>  Good to know you are guardian of a hippeastrum, too, Jpeg.  I
>>> *adore*  them and have numerous.  Several of them have flowered
>>> indoors, some for    several seasons and I had 4 outdoor flowers this
>>> year.
>>
>> There were hundreds in our garden in Ceriana. Not planted by us, they
>> were a relic from when the land was used to grow flowers for the
>> Flower Market in San Remo.
>>
>> Looked very weird when they first started poking through like little
>> snakes and then were a beautiful blue and came back again year after
>> year.
>>
> Oh, I never knew there were blue ones;

Ah, correction, they were agapanthus which I think is still amyrillis
related.
<https://gardenerspath.com/plants/flowers/grow-agapanthus/#What-Is-Agapanthus>
first picture.

They were very pretty though en masse. We also had lots of inherited
daffodils and a few tulips.

[Chris]

:)

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

Of course, you *HAD* to bring *SEX* into it!

[Chris]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> In message <32031dd109af50b8...@www.novabbs.com> at Tue, 23
> Jan 2024 10:52:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes
>> Tony Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>>> before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>>> window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>> Now planted.
>>
>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>
>> A shoot!
>
> A score!
>
> No, I'm glad it is alive! (Not that I have much idea what a persimmon
> is. Don't tell me - I could look.) It's pleasing when a plant shows life
> after a long period of apparent inactivity; I feel it every year when my
> hippeastrum (amaryllis) puts outs its ridiculous flower stalk, followed
> by its healthy leaf pairs, when they've usually died off a few months
> previously. (This year one leaf has - so far - remained green and fairly
> healthy, though the very tip has yellowed so I think it's going to go.)

Jpeg. I dried off my 2022 amaryllis and put it in the shed with my spring
bulbs. Brought it in, watered it, and it’s done what your’s does. Doh!

Mrs McT

[Jenny M Benson]

On 23/01/2024 21:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>
> Mine's never been outdoors;

The ones I had outdoors (which will go out again later this year) were
sold as "outdoor bulbs." I'm not convinced they are actually any
different to the ones normally sold around Christmas time, which I
suspect have been "trained" to flower early indoors. I will probably
try putting some of my "indoor" ones outside this year.


>>
> Is that the white-flower one?]

No, Gervase is one of the many red & White stripey ones.

[Jenny M Benson]

On 24/01/2024 08:19, BrritSki wrote:
> There were hundreds in our garden in Ceriana.

Oh, lucky you!

[Jenny M Benson]

On 24/01/2024 09:24, BrritSki wrote:
>
> Ah, correction, they were agapanthus which I think is still amyrillis
> related.
> <https://gardenerspath.com/plants/flowers/grow-agapanthus/#What-Is-Agapanthus> first picture.

Just read this correction. Not so envious, now!

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <l1c3ac...@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 24 Jan 2024
09:24:29, BrritSki <rtilbur...@gmail.com> writes

Ah. Very different! At first picture I thought those were like
bluebells, but I can see from lower down they're not quite.

My hippeastrum is more or less
<https://c02.purpledshub.com/uploads/sites/40/2021/12/JI_181220_Hippeastr
um_026-b42b785.jpg> - mine's a deeper red, more like red velvet, but I
suspect that one was too and the photographer just didn't succeed; I've
found flowers - these in particular! - are difficult to capture the
colours of with digital cameras. (When I last had a smartphone, the
camera in that - though nominally a lot more megapixels than my main
camera - was _hopeless_ at capturing flower colours.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - m...@saslimited.demon.co.uk, 1998

[BrritSki]

On 24/01/2024 11:19, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 24/01/2024 09:24, BrritSki wrote:
>>
>> Ah, correction, they were agapanthus which I think is still amyrillis
>> related.
>> <https://gardenerspath.com/plants/flowers/grow-agapanthus/#What-Is-Agapanthus> first picture.
>
> Just read this correction.  Not so envious, now!

I blame the waife who agreed with me when I said amaryllis. It was only
later when I looked for a pic of a blue one that was very rare that I
realised my mistake. Still very beautiful though...

[Chris]

A persimmon is a rose by any other name. Sharon fruit is one. The Spanish
call them Kaki fruit (thanks to Vicenta). Kaki can be found in Iceland’s
for about a week a year. If seen, she buys a bag for us.

Mrs McT

[Chris]

What are ‘we’ doing wring, Jenny?

Mrs McT

[BrritSki]

Waife and flowers....

[J. P. Gilliver]

>Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

[]

>> My dear brother Gervase died last year and my sister-in-law is the
>> delighted owner of a hippeastrum "Gervase." I plan to get one this year.

[]
Whenever I hear the name Gervase, I am reminded of the wordplay about
the French (I think) and German kitchen staff members.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."

[Paul Herber]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:08:15 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>>Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>[]
>>> My dear brother Gervase died last year and my sister-in-law is the
>>> delighted owner of a hippeastrum "Gervase." I plan to get one this year.
>[]
>Whenever I hear the name Gervase, I am reminded of the wordplay about
>the French (I think) and German kitchen staff members.

For Hans who does dishes ...


--
Regards, Paul Herber
https://www.paulherber.co.uk/

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message
<ca33ril6fipsjk8hd...@news.eternal-september.org> at Wed,
24 Jan 2024 22:21:22, Paul Herber <pa...@paulherber.co.uk> writes

>On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:08:15 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>>Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>[]
>>>> My dear brother Gervase died last year and my sister-in-law is the
>>>> delighted owner of a hippeastrum "Gervase." I plan to get one this year.
>>[]
>>Whenever I hear the name Gervase, I am reminded of the wordplay about
>>the French (I think) and German kitchen staff members.
>
>For Hans who does dishes ...
>
>

That's the one! (Though it works better with "do".)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding that I get up
early on Sundays to apologize for being human.
-- Captain Splendid (quoted by "The Real Bev" in mozilla.general, 2014-11-16)

[Jenny M Benson]

On 24/01/2024 14:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> (When I last had a smartphone, the camera in that - though nominally a
> lot more megapixels than my main camera - was _hopeless_ at capturing
> flower colours.)
> --

I chose my current (Samsung) 'phone precisely because it was said to
have a very good camera. Hah! i do a lot of knitting and photograph
all the results - the colours are rarely accurate.

[Vicky]

Our delivery last night from Tescos included 3 persimmons. I've just
eaten one. Googling and the packet said the skin is edible so I just
chilled it in the fridge and sliced it and ate it. The skin is thicker
than an apple or pear and I think I'll peel the other two. I suppose b
might try one but he doesn't eat much fruit. The taste was less sweet
than an apple, pear or peach. They're not huge but one was very
filling. It was sort of more solid than an apple or pear.

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <l1esr...@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 25 Jan 2024
10:52:33, Jenny M Benson <Nemo...@hotmail.co.uk> writes

"Good" where digital cameras are concerned usually refer to: number of
pixels (far beyond what is needed nowadays); autofocus, zoom, and so on
(probably worth having); and processing tricks, such as face recognition
(again, worth having). Colour accuracy - across a range of subjects,
such as flowers and fabrics - comes well down the scale - and, is hard
to find out about. Ideally, take with when trying out - at least with
your fabrics, you can, not so easy with flowers!; but that's no good if
buying online.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Does Barbie come with Ken?"
"Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous

[nick]

If it is a Samsung it is probably deciding which are the best colours for you. It's a full moon tonight. Try taking a phone picture of it then Google for Samsung Phone Moon.

Nick

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <e1bdd9e6fba358df...@www.novabbs.com> at Thu, 25
Jan 2024 11:59:52, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
>Jenny M Benson wrote:
[]

>> I chose my current (Samsung) 'phone precisely because it was said to
>>have a very good camera. Hah! i do a lot of knitting and photograph
>>all the results - the colours are rarely accurate.
>
>If it is a Samsung it is probably deciding which are the best colours
>for you. It's a full moon tonight. Try taking a phone picture of it
>then Google for Samsung Phone Moon.
>
>Nick

That's a fascinating exposé! Samsung turning any photo of something it
thinks is the moon, however blurred, into one with more detail than
could possibly be there.

What's not clear is whether this is an online process - i. e. if you
take the picture when out of range of any network or wifi, does it still
happen: i. e., are the good moon images actually stored in every such
Samsung 'phone?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... a series about a grumpy old man who lives in a phone box is unlikely to
have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...

[BrritSki]

Does it show Neil Armstrong with a flag flapping in the "wind"

[Nick Odell]

Ha! You won't catch me out with that one! We all know those pictures
were posed and taken in a film studio in Hollywood.

Nick

[Sam Plusnet]

Using what make of camera?

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <HO$WxRrMf...@255soft.uk> at Thu, 25 Jan 2024 13:53:16,
J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> writes

>In message <e1bdd9e6fba358df...@www.novabbs.com> at Thu,
>25 Jan 2024 11:59:52, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes

[]

>>If it is a Samsung it is probably deciding which are the best colours
>>for you. It's a full moon tonight. Try taking a phone picture of it
>>then Google for Samsung Phone Moon.
>>
>>Nick
>
>That's a fascinating exposé! Samsung turning any photo of something it
>thinks is the moon, however blurred, into one with more detail than
>could possibly be there.

[]
I've just come across what looks to be an excellent example:
https://twitter.com/London_W4/status/1750601342475792617
Look carefully at the reflection, then think about it!

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

What has happened since 1979, I suspect, is that the spotting of mistakes has
become entirely associated with mean-spiritedness, snobbishness and
judgementalism. But...can be...funny and interesting.
Lynn Truss, RT 2015/2/21-27

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> In message <HO$WxRrMf...@255soft.uk> at Thu, 25 Jan 2024 13:53:16,
> J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>> In message <e1bdd9e6fba358df...@www.novabbs.com> at Thu,
>> 25 Jan 2024 11:59:52, nick <nicko...@yahoo.ca> writes
> []
>>> If it is a Samsung it is probably deciding which are the best colours
>>> for you. It's a full moon tonight. Try taking a phone picture of it
>>> then Google for Samsung Phone Moon.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> That's a fascinating exposé! Samsung turning any photo of something it
>> thinks is the moon, however blurred, into one with more detail than
>> could possibly be there.
> []
> I've just come across what looks to be an excellent example:
> https://twitter.com/London_W4/status/1750601342475792617
> Look carefully at the reflection, then think about it!

Upon reflection, I don’t think it is genuine! Still it has been said
before, it is an upside down world.;-)

[Mike McMillan]

One might have thought (as they obviously didn’t!) that if you are out to
fool others with a fake image, you would be a little less slapdash!

[Iain Archer]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 21:25:31 +0000, Nick Odell wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:38:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <32031dd109af50b8...@www.novabbs.com> at Tue, 23
>>Jan 2024 10:52:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes
>>>Tony Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>> > I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>>> >before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>>> >window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>>> Now planted.
>>>
>>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>>
>>>A shoot!
>>
>>A score!
>>
> A Derby winner in 1896!!
>

Just to wish Persimmon 'Pip' Stone as long and successful a life.
--
Iain

[Vicky]

I looked out of the window at 7.a.m this morning and the moon sat on
top of the houses opposite looking most unreal.

[Jim Easterbrook]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:22:39 +0000, Vicky wrote:

> I looked out of the window at 7.a.m this morning and the moon sat on top
> of the houses opposite looking most unreal.

With a ladder and some glasses
you could see Mare Tranquillitatis
if it wasn't for the houses in between

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

[Sam Plusnet]

On 26-Jan-24 13:33, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:22:39 +0000, Vicky wrote:
>
>> I looked out of the window at 7.a.m this morning and the moon sat on top
>> of the houses opposite looking most unreal.
>
> With a ladder and some glasses
> you could see Mare Tranquillitatis
> if it wasn't for the houses in between
>

Bravo!

("Glasses" and "Marshes" never rhymed, with my accent.)

--
Sam Plusnet

[Nick Odell]

On 26 Jan 2024 13:33:37 GMT, Jim Easterbrook

<ne...@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:22:39 +0000, Vicky wrote:
>
>> I looked out of the window at 7.a.m this morning and the moon sat on top
>> of the houses opposite looking most unreal.
>
>With a ladder and some glasses
>you could see Mare Tranquillitatis
>if it wasn't for the houses in between

Oh! Well played sir! An absolute shoe-in for Best Of UMRA, IMO.

Nick

[Nick Odell]

Hasselblad, I should imagine. Same model as wot they actually took to
the moon... erme.... Ooops!

Nick

[Iain Archer]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:33:37 +0000, Jim Easterbrook wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:22:39 +0000, Vicky wrote:
>
>> I looked out of the window at 7.a.m this morning and the moon sat on
>> top of the houses opposite looking most unreal.
>
> With a ladder and some glasses you could see Mare Tranquillitatis if it
> wasn't for the houses in between

:-)

[Sam Plusnet]

Bless you.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Penny]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 09:59:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>What has happened since 1979, I suspect, is that the spotting of mistakes has
>become entirely associated with mean-spiritedness, snobbishness and
>judgementalism. But...can be...funny and interesting.
>Lynn Truss, RT 2015/2/21-27

Interesting quote - was she referring to the birth of Helen Archer, or the
general election which resulted in Thatcher becoming PM?
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

[Sam Plusnet]

Confusing quote. I read it as being from Liz Truss.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Joe Kerr]

On 25/01/2024 11:34, Vicky wrote:

> Our delivery last night from Tescos included 3 persimmons. I've just
> eaten one. Googling and the packet said the skin is edible so I just
> chilled it in the fridge and sliced it and ate it. The skin is thicker
> than an apple or pear and I think I'll peel the other two. I suppose b
> might try one but he doesn't eat much fruit. The taste was less sweet
> than an apple, pear or peach. They're not huge but one was very
> filling. It was sort of more solid than an apple or pear.

Like most fruit these days it wasn't ripe. The skin should be firm but
the centre soft, sweet and fragrant

If you slice it horizontally (at right angles to the stem) it can be
quite decorative and most suitable as a garnish.

--
Ric

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <1kaari9qaam29l9kq...@4ax.com> at Sat, 27 Jan
2024 16:11:42, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes

Grammar, I think. Remember it was (I think) she who wrote "Eats, shoots
and leaves".

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Do ministers do more than lay people?

[Penny]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:26:03 +0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> scrawled in
the dust...

Me too.
I'd forgotten about Lynn.

[kosmo]

You need to be careful not to mix up your trusses.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

[kosmo]

How did he get back from the moon so quickly?

[Mike McMillan]

National Truss perhaps?

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <up8hrm$h46c$1...@dont-email.me> at Mon, 29 Jan 2024 15:56:38,
Mike McMillan <toodl...@virginmedia.com> writes

We thank you for your support ...

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm too lazy to have a bigger ego. - James May, RT 2016/1/23-29

[tonysmith]

tonysmith wrote:

> Tony Smith wrote:

>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>> > I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>> Now planted.

>> A month, and no signs of germination.

> A shoot!

A couple of cotyledons (cotyleda)

[Jim Easterbrook]

Seed leaves and shoots.

[Steveski]

On 31/01/2024 19:08, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:53:07 +0000, tonysmith wrote:
>
>> tonysmith wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>>>> before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>>>> window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>>> Now planted.
>>
>>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>
>>> A shoot!
>>
>> A couple of cotyledons (cotyleda)
>
> Seed leaves and shoots.

Bravo!

--
Steveski

[Mike McMillan]

Jim Easterbrook <ne...@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:53:07 +0000, tonysmith wrote:
>
>> tonysmith wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>>>> before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>>>> window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>>> Now planted.
>>
>>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>
>>> A shoot!
>>
>> A couple of cotyledons (cotyleda)
>
> Seed leaves and shoots.
>

*DUCK* Incoming!

[kosmo]

You are all quackers.

[Rosie Mitchell]

Jim Easterbrook <ne...@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> writes:

> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:22:39 +0000, Vicky wrote:
>
>> I looked out of the window at 7.a.m this morning and the moon sat on top
>> of the houses opposite looking most unreal.
>
> With a ladder and some glasses
> you could see Mare Tranquillitatis
> if it wasn't for the houses in between

Wiv a ladder and some glasses
You could see the neighbour's arses
If it wasn't for the curtains in between

Rosie

[Rosie Mitchell]

Chris <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> writes:

> Nick Odell <nicko...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:38:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <32031dd109af50b8...@www.novabbs.com> at Tue, 23
>>> Jan 2024 10:52:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes

>>>> Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>>>>> before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>>>>> window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>>>> Now planted.
>>>>
>>>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>>>
>>>> A shoot!
>>>

>>> A score!
>>>
>> A Derby winner in 1896!!
>>

>> Nick
>>
>
> A persimmon is a rose by any other name. Sharon fruit is one. The Spanish
> call them Kaki fruit (thanks to Vicenta). Kaki can be found in Iceland’s
> for about a week a year. If seen, she buys a bag for us.

Why would you want to call a fruit Sharon? Is there a Tracey fruit too?
(All reminding me of my 1970s classroom and why I did well to get out
when I did)

Rosie

[Rosie Mitchell]

Vicky <vicky...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris
> <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Nick Odell <nicko...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:38:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>> <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <32031dd109af50b8...@www.novabbs.com> at Tue, 23
>>>> Jan 2024 10:52:30, tonysmith <agsmit...@gmail.com> writes
>>>>> Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 20:22:43 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday 7 December 2023 at 14:11:37 UTC, Tony Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have just found a pip/stone in a persimmon. This happened once
>>>>>>>> before and I had intended to plant it and left it on the kitchen
>>>>>>>> window sill but herself chucked it out. I'll try again.
>>>>>>> Now planted.
>>>>>
>>>>>> A month, and no signs of germination.
>>>>>
>>>>> A shoot!
>>>>
>>>> A score!
>>>>
>>> A Derby winner in 1896!!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>
>>A persimmon is a rose by any other name. Sharon fruit is one. The Spanish
>>call them Kaki fruit (thanks to Vicenta). Kaki can be found in Iceland’s
>>for about a week a year. If seen, she buys a bag for us.
>>

>>Mrs McT

>
> Our delivery last night from Tescos included 3 persimmons. I've just
> eaten one. Googling and the packet said the skin is edible so I just
> chilled it in the fridge and sliced it and ate it. The skin is thicker
> than an apple or pear and I think I'll peel the other two. I suppose b
> might try one but he doesn't eat much fruit. The taste was less sweet
> than an apple, pear or peach. They're not huge but one was very
> filling. It was sort of more solid than an apple or pear.

Persimmons go better in a fruit salad I find.

Rosie

[Rosie Mitchell]

Duck eats shoots and leaves.

Rosie

[J. P. Gilliver]

In message <87cytfj...@golgonooza.co.uk> at Fri, 2 Feb 2024
14:35:55, Rosie Mitchell <rcmit...@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>Chris <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> writes:
[]

>> A persimmon is a rose by any other name. Sharon fruit is one. The Spanish
>> call them Kaki fruit (thanks to Vicenta). Kaki can be found in Iceland’s
>> for about a week a year. If seen, she buys a bag for us.
>
>Why would you want to call a fruit Sharon? Is there a Tracey fruit too?
>(All reminding me of my 1970s classroom and why I did well to get out
>when I did)
>
>Rosie

I think it might be a Hebrew word. I always think of that famous
headline (I think it was the same era as "fog in channel - continent cut
off"): "Sharon presses suit"; it actually referred to a politician
(Israeli prime minister was it?), whose name was pronounced with the
stress on the o, who was cosying up to someone.

(I've probably mentioned before that our parents gave us simple names to
avoid embarrassment in school etc.; certainly, there were a lot of
Sharons and Tracys in my childhood.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I admire him for the constancy of his curiosity, his effortless sense of
authority and his ability to deliver good science without gimmicks.
- Michael Palin on Sir David Attenborough, RT 2016/5/7-13

[Mike McMillan]

J. P. Gilliver <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> In message <87cytfj...@golgonooza.co.uk> at Fri, 2 Feb 2024
> 14:35:55, Rosie Mitchell <rcmit...@golgonooza.co.uk> writes
>> Chris <chris.m...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> []
>>> A persimmon is a rose by any other name. Sharon fruit is one. The Spanish
>>> call them Kaki fruit (thanks to Vicenta). Kaki can be found in Iceland’s
>>> for about a week a year. If seen, she buys a bag for us.
>>
>> Why would you want to call a fruit Sharon? Is there a Tracey fruit too?
>> (All reminding me of my 1970s classroom and why I did well to get out
>> when I did)
>>
>> Rosie
>
> I think it might be a Hebrew word. I always think of that famous
> headline (I think it was the same era as "fog in channel - continent cut
> off"): "Sharon presses suit"; it actually referred to a politician
> (Israeli prime minister was it?), whose name was pronounced with the
> stress on the o, who was cosying up to someone.
>
> (I've probably mentioned before that our parents gave us simple names to
> avoid embarrassment in school etc.; certainly, there were a lot of
> Sharons and Tracys in my childhood.)

Steady on Jpeg, this is a family newsgroup, what you get up to in your own
time is ….

[john ashby]

There is a university Electromagnetics textbook by Lorrain and Corson
which a former colleague of mine always referred to as Lorraine and Shirley.

john

[Mike McMillan]

Shirley, they are poles apart?!

[Iain Archer]

I like Sharon. Still remember when I got a whole trayload for 50p one
Saturday closing time at Ridley Road market.

>>
>> There is a university Electromagnetics textbook by Lorrain and Corson
>> which a former colleague of mine always referred to as Lorraine and
>> Shirley.
>>
>> john
>>
>>
> Shirley, they are poles apart?!

More likely orthogonal, as per somesuch as the Lorraine Cross Hands Rule.

[Jenny M Benson]

On 07/02/2024 09:55, john ashby wrote:
>>
>> Why would you want to call a fruit Sharon? Is there a Tracey fruit too?
>> (All reminding me of my 1970s classroom and why I did well to get out
>> when I did)
>>
>> Rosie
>
> There is a university Electromagnetics textbook by Lorrain and Corson
> which a former colleague of mine always referred to as Lorraine and
> Shirley.

I remember a College lecturer (in the early 70s) relating the tale of
some incident on a bus involving young women. She said we'd know "the
type" if she called them Donna and Tracy. We did!
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

[Mike McMillan]

Bella & Donna perhaps?

[Chris]

“Seasons/Availability
Sharon fruits are harvested in Israel from October through February and are
exported to markets worldwide”. From a website all about the fruit

Mrs McT

[Mike McMillan]

Our Spanish neighbour will buy them from Lidl when available and to her,
they are Kakkies. (Sp?)

[Chris]

Kakis is what I have always thought but Google translate says caquis. It
might be we’ve seen Kaki as a label in Lidl of course.

Mrs McT

[BrritSki]

On 10/02/2024 09:52, Chris wrote:
>> Our Spanish neighbour will buy them from Lidl when available and to her,
>> they are Kakkies. (Sp?)
>>
> Kakis is what I have always thought but Google translate says caquis. It
> might be we’ve seen Kaki as a label in Lidl of course.

Kaki is the Italian spelling.

[Rosie Mitchell]

Surely that would be cachi?

Rosie

[BrritSki]

Korrekt.

[Chris]

Ooo-err

Thanks Britters

Sincerely Mrs McT